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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #75 on: June 19, 2012, 07:32:39 am »
Well, this is starting out interesting.  I do agree that male characters in games for adults tend to come in too few varieties:  Space Marine, Soldier, Gangster, Pick one.

On the other hand, I'm not too thrilled by the use of text-as-video during so much of the video.   Hopefully future installments in the series will save that sort of thing for statistics and other applications that make sense.
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #76 on: June 19, 2012, 07:35:36 am »
That same argument can be made for women, to be fair. Support Role, Barely Clothed Damsel in Distress, Hooker, Run From Everything Girl.

If you're lucky males and females can have the same profession but still have different stats.

It's fun.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #77 on: June 19, 2012, 07:41:23 am »
That same argument can be made for women, to be fair. Support Role, Barely Clothed Damsel in Distress, Hooker, Run From Everything Girl.

If you're lucky males and females can have the same profession but still have different stats.

It's fun.
In other words, characters of either gender are often one dimensional cookie-cutter stereotypes.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #78 on: June 19, 2012, 08:46:41 am »
That same argument can be made for women, to be fair. Support Role, Barely Clothed Damsel in Distress, Hooker, Run From Everything Girl.

If you're lucky males and females can have the same profession but still have different stats.

It's fun.
In other words, characters of either gender are often one dimensional cookie-cutter stereotypes.

Which is pretty much the mainstream gaming industry in general right now I'm afraid.
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2012, 09:22:54 am »
In other words, characters of either gender are often one dimensional cookie-cutter stereotypes.
Yes, but when you do it to women, it's insulting. When you stereotype men into a bald psychotic mass murder, it's fine. Empowering even... apparently.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2012, 09:50:32 am »
In other words, characters of either gender are often one dimensional cookie-cutter stereotypes.
Yes, but when you do it to women, it's insulting. When you stereotype men into a bald psychotic mass murder, it's fine. Empowering even... apparently.

Men being badasses is a male power fantasy. It appeals to men. That's also why men are ridiculously muscled in comics. It sucks that men are portrayed that way, but it isn't in any way equal to the way women are portrayed.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #81 on: June 19, 2012, 10:43:50 am »
In other words, characters of either gender are often one dimensional cookie-cutter stereotypes.
Yes, but when you do it to women, it's insulting. When you stereotype men into a bald psychotic mass murder, it's fine. Empowering even... apparently.

Men being badasses is a male power fantasy. It appeals to men. That's also why men are ridiculously muscled in comics. It sucks that men are portrayed that way, but it isn't in any way equal to the way women are portrayed.

Just because the male stereotypes are intended to appeal to men doesn't mean they shouldn't be addressed along with female stereotypes.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2012, 01:39:59 pm »
That same argument can be made for women, to be fair. Support Role, Barely Clothed Damsel in Distress, Hooker, Run From Everything Girl.

If you're lucky males and females can have the same profession but still have different stats.

It's fun.

There are exceptions to those roles.  Suikoden series, for example.  Ronnie Bell, Oulan, Lorelei, Milia (and her daughter, Sharon), Sonya Shulen, Tengaar... and that's just a selection from the first two games out of five (with Sharon being in the third).
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2012, 08:03:17 pm »
In other words, characters of either gender are often one dimensional cookie-cutter stereotypes.
Yes, but when you do it to women, it's insulting. When you stereotype men into a bald psychotic mass murder, it's fine. Empowering even... apparently.

Men being badasses is a male power fantasy. It appeals to men. That's also why men are ridiculously muscled in comics. It sucks that men are portrayed that way, but it isn't in any way equal to the way women are portrayed.

Just because the male stereotypes are intended to appeal to men doesn't mean they shouldn't be addressed along with female stereotypes.

I didn't say that they shouldn't be addressed, just that the effect is rather different.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #84 on: June 20, 2012, 08:04:48 am »
That same argument can be made for women, to be fair. Support Role, Barely Clothed Damsel in Distress, Hooker, Run From Everything Girl.

If you're lucky males and females can have the same profession but still have different stats.

It's fun.

There are exceptions to those roles.  Suikoden series, for example.  Ronnie Bell, Oulan, Lorelei, Milia (and her daughter, Sharon), Sonya Shulen, Tengaar... and that's just a selection from the first two games out of five (with Sharon being in the third).

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Once again these are arguments that can be flipped to the other sex. Which is what I was trying to point out.

We're speaking generalities here, people.

The whole of gaming is full of stereotypes and generalization. Pointing out games where it's outside of the norm doesn't help much.

Also, I agree with Smurfette.
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #85 on: June 20, 2012, 09:21:54 am »
Well, this is starting out interesting.  I do agree that male characters in games for adults tend to come in too few varieties:  Space Marine, Soldier, Gangster, Pick one.

That same argument can be made for women, to be fair. Support Role, Barely Clothed Damsel in Distress, Hooker, Run From Everything Girl.

Both are sets of stereotypes, one set of stereotypes has a higher survivability factor during a zombie apocalypse!

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #86 on: June 20, 2012, 10:28:45 am »
Well, this is starting out interesting.  I do agree that male characters in games for adults tend to come in too few varieties:  Space Marine, Soldier, Gangster, Pick one.

That same argument can be made for women, to be fair. Support Role, Barely Clothed Damsel in Distress, Hooker, Run From Everything Girl.

Both are sets of stereotypes, one set of stereotypes has a higher survivability factor during a zombie apocalypse!

Exactly!  Why are the sexes stereotypes so damn much?

(Also, thought of another awesome exception:  Alex Roivas from Eternal Darkness.  In fact, pretty much ALL of Eternal Darkness.  But it didn't sell well, so meh.)
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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #87 on: June 20, 2012, 07:07:02 pm »
If this video is to be believed, Anita spammed her project on 4chan and other trolling websites to create negative feedback.

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #88 on: June 20, 2012, 07:19:53 pm »
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If this video is to be believed,

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Re: Fundie-Feminist gamer gets death threats
« Reply #89 on: June 20, 2012, 09:05:52 pm »
Why would I believe that video?
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