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Title: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 27, 2016, 06:09:28 pm
I think we needed this.

First story: Donald Trump withdraws from a Fox News debate:

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-abruptly-withdraws-fox-debate-iowa-011258535--finance.html (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-abruptly-withdraws-fox-debate-iowa-011258535--finance.html)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 27, 2016, 06:15:01 pm
Heh, it's all about his hate-on for Megyn Kelly. Figures.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 27, 2016, 06:16:08 pm
Heh, it's all about his hate-on for Megyn Kelly. Figures.

Never thought I'd be so certain when it came to siding with Kelly...
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ironchew on January 27, 2016, 06:31:35 pm
I think we needed this.

Do we?

I mean, sure, you can make any thread you want, but hardly any of us are Republicans. We're not as interested in the internal workings of a party thoroughly infused with classism, sexism, and racism, as we are about its outward manifestations of hate towards vulnerable groups in society.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on January 27, 2016, 06:43:37 pm
I think we needed this.

Do we?

I mean, sure, you can make any thread you want, but hardly any of us are Republicans. We're not as interested in the internal workings of a party thoroughly infused with classism, sexism, and racism, as we are about its outward manifestations of hate towards vulnerable groups in society.

In fairness, the Republican contest could actually be interesting this year, since it could well be undecided by the time the convention rolls around.

(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ironchew on January 27, 2016, 06:48:24 pm
(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)

You could say the same thing about Trump, really.

It doesn't avoid the problem of why we don't want a plutocracy financing political campaigns. They aren't taking orders from big money; they are big money.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on January 27, 2016, 08:18:10 pm
(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)

You could say the same thing about Trump, really.

It doesn't avoid the problem of why we don't want a plutocracy financing political campaigns. They aren't taking orders from big money; they are big money.

Except that Bloomberg a) is way richer than Trump, b) didn't inherit his wealth, c) has never filed for bankruptcy, and d) is closer to the centre than Trump. And I'm not necessarily thinking about his going for the Republican nomination--he might just decide to run as an independent. A sane Ross Perot might have a decent shot (or at least do to the Republican candidate what Perot did and lock up the election for the Democratic candidate).
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 27, 2016, 08:20:06 pm
(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)

You could say the same thing about Trump, really.

It doesn't avoid the problem of why we don't want a plutocracy financing political campaigns. They aren't taking orders from big money; they are big money.

Except that Bloomberg a) is way richer than Trump, b) didn't inherit his wealth, c) has never filed for bankruptcy, and d) is closer to the centre than Trump. And I'm not necessarily thinking about his going for the Republican nomination--he might just decide to run as an independent. A sane Ross Perot might have a decent shot (or at least do to the Republican candidate what Perot did and lock up the election for the Democratic candidate).

You forgot one thing: e) has actual political experience.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on January 27, 2016, 08:23:06 pm
(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)

You could say the same thing about Trump, really.

It doesn't avoid the problem of why we don't want a plutocracy financing political campaigns. They aren't taking orders from big money; they are big money.

Except that Bloomberg a) is way richer than Trump, b) didn't inherit his wealth, c) has never filed for bankruptcy, and d) is closer to the centre than Trump. And I'm not necessarily thinking about his going for the Republican nomination--he might just decide to run as an independent. A sane Ross Perot might have a decent shot (or at least do to the Republican candidate what Perot did and lock up the election for the Democratic candidate).

You forgot one thing: e) has actual political experience.

That too.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 27, 2016, 08:39:11 pm
I think we needed this.

Do we?

I mean, sure, you can make any thread you want, but hardly any of us are Republicans. We're not as interested in the internal workings of a party thoroughly infused with classism, sexism, and racism, as we are about its outward manifestations of hate towards vulnerable groups in society.

The republican primary results are likely to influence the general election results, which I assume we all care about?

Plus I have a lot of virtual money riding on Cruz or Rubio winning and Trump losing
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 27, 2016, 08:49:50 pm
I know Republican voters like Trump, but I've read that the Republican party hates him worse than the word "government".
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on January 27, 2016, 09:10:00 pm
(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)

You could say the same thing about Trump, really.

It doesn't avoid the problem of why we don't want a plutocracy financing political campaigns. They aren't taking orders from big money; they are big money.

Except that Bloomberg a) is way richer than Trump, b) didn't inherit his wealth, c) has never filed for bankruptcy, and d) is closer to the centre than Trump. And I'm not necessarily thinking about his going for the Republican nomination--he might just decide to run as an independent. A sane Ross Perot might have a decent shot (or at least do to the Republican candidate what Perot did and lock up the election for the Democratic candidate).

Technically, Trump never filed for bankruptcy. One of his sub-corporations did. As much as I hate the guy, there is a difference (bankrupting a sub-corporation can be tactically smart as the law allows the share holders and owners of the sub-corporation limited liability).

And yeah, Bloomberg... The same guy responsible for ordering New York's police force to brutalize occupy protesters.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on January 27, 2016, 09:24:45 pm
(Although I hope Michael Bloomberg throws his hat into the ring. Whatever else you might have to say about him, at least he wouldn't have to take any money from anyone to finance his campaign.)

You could say the same thing about Trump, really.

It doesn't avoid the problem of why we don't want a plutocracy financing political campaigns. They aren't taking orders from big money; they are big money.

Except that Bloomberg a) is way richer than Trump, b) didn't inherit his wealth, c) has never filed for bankruptcy, and d) is closer to the centre than Trump. And I'm not necessarily thinking about his going for the Republican nomination--he might just decide to run as an independent. A sane Ross Perot might have a decent shot (or at least do to the Republican candidate what Perot did and lock up the election for the Democratic candidate).

Technically, Trump never filed for bankruptcy. One of his sub-corporations did. As much as I hate the guy, there is a difference (bankrupting a sub-corporation can be tactically smart as the law allows the share holders and owners of the sub-corporation limited liability).

And yeah, Bloomberg... The same guy responsible for ordering New York's police force to brutalize occupy protesters.

Which... means he's probably no worse than the rest of the Republican field?

I think we needed this.

Do we?

I mean, sure, you can make any thread you want, but hardly any of us are Republicans. We're not as interested in the internal workings of a party thoroughly infused with classism, sexism, and racism, as we are about its outward manifestations of hate towards vulnerable groups in society.

The republican primary results are likely to influence the general election results, which I assume we all care about?

Plus I have a lot of virtual money riding on Cruz or Rubio winning and Trump losing

I personally want Bush to win the nomination, if only so that the election can be Clinton vs Bush and I can laugh at Americans who mock other countries for having hereditary monarchies and aristocracies. (Yes, I know Hillary isn't Bill's descendant.)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on January 27, 2016, 09:58:28 pm
I think we needed this.

Do we?

I mean, sure, you can make any thread you want, but hardly any of us are Republicans. We're not as interested in the internal workings of a party thoroughly infused with classism, sexism, and racism, as we are about its outward manifestations of hate towards vulnerable groups in society.

The republican primary results are likely to influence the general election results, which I assume we all care about?

Plus I have a lot of virtual money riding on Cruz or Rubio winning and Trump losing

Rubio and Cruz are both almost as pestilent as Trump. Chris Christie is probably the only one who isn't shit. Jeb Bush at least isn't probably got a Lawful Neutral alignment which is better than the rest.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on January 27, 2016, 10:43:53 pm
I think we needed this.

Do we?

I mean, sure, you can make any thread you want, but hardly any of us are Republicans. We're not as interested in the internal workings of a party thoroughly infused with classism, sexism, and racism, as we are about its outward manifestations of hate towards vulnerable groups in society.

The republican primary results are likely to influence the general election results, which I assume we all care about?

Plus I have a lot of virtual money riding on Cruz or Rubio winning and Trump losing

Rubio and Cruz are both almost as pestilent as Trump. Chris Christie is probably the only one who isn't shit. Jeb Bush at least isn't probably got a Lawful Neutral alignment which is better than the rest.

Wasn't Christie caught screwing over cities whose mayors disagreed with him?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on January 27, 2016, 11:23:48 pm
Well, 'probably isn't shit' is hardly a ringing endorsement.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on January 27, 2016, 11:30:41 pm
Well, 'probably isn't shit' is hardly a rining endorsement.

It is in this year's field of Republican candidates.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: rookie on January 28, 2016, 11:12:52 am
Well, 'probably isn't shit' is hardly a ringing endorsement.

Look at the damn field. It's as good as you're going to get.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on January 28, 2016, 08:49:43 pm
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/28/10864020/mike-huckabee-adele

The newest campaign ad by Mike Huckabee confirms what many have long suspected given his well documented record of comparing people and things to food.

...Huckabee's really, really hungry.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Vypernight on January 29, 2016, 04:46:12 am
So Trump held his own rally 5 minutes from the debate and filled the building.  He also stated the money earned from it would be donated to a charity for veterans.  Funny how he didn't specify the charity.  I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on January 29, 2016, 04:58:01 am
What? *searches the web*

http://news.yahoo.com/trumps-fox-news-debate-fight-widens-republican-rift-011351079.html

Oh wow, he really did. I thought you were kidding. Well, 6 million dollars for veteran's ain't bad either but I am amused how Trump is making mockery of the Republicans this easily and turning even his childish tantrums into victories.

...Maybe he really is a smart guy? Either that or his campaign team is the best damn political campaign team in the world.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on January 29, 2016, 07:27:23 am
Yeah about that money.  It didn't go to a vetrens charity.  It went to the Donald's own non profit.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on January 29, 2016, 09:42:19 am
I was watching clips from the debate. Funny how relaxed and happy they all were, like coworkers gathered 'round the water cooler on a day the office bully called in sick.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on January 29, 2016, 05:06:58 pm
I am afraid that, despite or perhaps because he dissociated himself from the pack and did his own anti-establishment thing, The Donald looked stronger for it.

Der Neu-Fuhrer is only going to gain traction further with people who otherwise would believe Ted Cruz is the Anti-Establishment man for them. Because Cruz doesn't have the "strength" and "power" to create his own thing and stand apart from the mainstream clowns.

We're heading for a new period in American politics. Whether he's a stupid man who blundered into becoming a figurehead for fascist politics and figures running things in his campaign team, or if he's somehow secretly a malign genius psychopath who was running all this time to "test the waters" for when people are "ready" for someone like him and a movement like his.

Keep in mind, he didn't even deny having My New Order - just said that a Jewish friend gave it to him, followed by said friend denying he was Jewish.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 29, 2016, 06:51:19 pm
There are two things about this campaign that are wonderfuly.

1) Bill Clinton is reported to have called up his old buddy Don Trump to tell him there's an open field this year for the Republicans. Conspiracy theory: Bill was deliberately fucking with the elephants, just to say he did.

2) The Republican establishment haven't turned against Trump as hard as they could. The reason for this: they all, to a man, hate the shit out of Ted Cruz. They just hate him personally so, so much they're virtually fit to burst. So they have devoted a fair amount of their resources fucking with Cruz, to the benefit of Trump, because they'd rather Trump destroy their party than Ted lead it.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on January 29, 2016, 07:21:17 pm
Yeah, I've heard a really terrible story involving Bob Dole wherein Ted Cruz dashed Dole's hopes of getting a good UN treaty passed for "threatening the sovereignty of the United States". I don't agree with Dole's politics, but that was DISGUSTING, and a lot of Republicans think that was Cruz's Moral Event Horizon, to use a trope.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 29, 2016, 08:00:16 pm
Yeah, I've heard a really terrible story involving Bob Dole wherein Ted Cruz dashed Dole's hopes of getting a good UN treaty passed for "threatening the sovereignty of the United States". I don't agree with Dole's politics, but that was DISGUSTING, and a lot of Republicans think that was Cruz's Moral Event Horizon, to use a trope.

He's also, apparently, just an absolutely enormous asshole in person. His college roommate has been sharing some amazing stories.

But yeah, remember when Cruz held the pointless 'fillibuster' that didn't slow down the budget even one second just to get on TV? I do.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on January 29, 2016, 08:07:33 pm
I think his dad's book positing Ted as a savior just fully and completely both validated-in-his-mind and contributed to a Messiah Complex.

It would not surprise me if Cruz had a total breakdown if / when he loses, ranting that he is the Chosen One.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 29, 2016, 08:13:58 pm
I think his dad's book positing Ted as a savior just fully and completely both validated-in-his-mind and contributed to a Messiah Complex.

It would not surprise me if Cruz had a total breakdown if / when he loses, ranting that he is the Chosen One.

Nah, he's a cynic, not a true believer. Look at those eyes.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on January 29, 2016, 09:16:39 pm
Ted Cruz is everything the GOP hate.  An uppity minority who thinks he can sit with the big boys.

Ironbite-usually by pulling up his own chair.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Vypernight on January 30, 2016, 04:42:09 am
Ted Cruz is everything everybody hates

Fixed.

The fact that he has any follow at all is scary.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on January 30, 2016, 04:45:13 am
Lt Fred, not because I doubt it's true but purely for the Schadenfreude, do you have a link to the comments from Ted's old roommate?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 30, 2016, 04:59:44 am
Lt Fred, not because I doubt it's true but purely for the Schadenfreude, do you have a link to the comments from Ted's old roommate?

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/ted-cruz-has-been-riduculed-years-his-former-college-roommate-who-turned-successful

Et al.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on January 30, 2016, 11:39:50 pm
Thanks Fred.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on February 02, 2016, 04:56:31 pm
Rafael wins

Rafael: Why do you fight, when you know you will lose?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on February 07, 2016, 12:27:22 am
Damn Chris Christie kept that pimp hand strong. He's owned Rubio these last few debates. If he can hurt Rubio a bit more, he's definitely the only establishment Republican left who's viable (Kasich is boring, and Bush makes Kasich look like a one-man party), and that could work to secure him the nomination with Trump and Cruz splitting the authoritarian/anti-establishment vote. This GOP field is amazing.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on February 07, 2016, 12:51:09 am
Apparently people have realized Ted Cruz is totally fucking despicable, he's falling fast in New Hampshire.

Meaning...sigh...Trump...
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on February 07, 2016, 01:33:09 pm
Apparently people have realized Ted Cruz is totally fucking despicable, he's falling fast in New Hampshire.

Meaning...sigh...Trump...

Cruz is worse than Trump. I've mentioned a few times a book written by Bob Altemeyer called the Authoritarians. It is a great read and everyone should read it before the upcoming elections. To put it in perspective, Trump simply seeks to control people to have them do what he wants. In contrast, Cruz not only has that trait, but would also score highly on Altemeyer's RWA scale, making him a double-high. These people are incredibly egocentric, putting their wealth, luxury, and wants ahead of the needs of the masses. As seen from his claim that Carson was dropping out, they have a feeling that the rules shouldn't apply to them because "everyone else breaks the rules, I'd be stupid not to." They are also the most prejudiced among the individuals that Altemyer tested and are the most likely to demonize or attack minorities, women, and the LGBTQ community.

I mentioned before, but a professor of mine used to work for Cruz at a Texas law firm before he got into politics and before she became a professor. She said of him, "he is the most evil man I have ever met." Others who know him have said similar things.* For all of Trump's many faults, Cruz scares me a lot more than the Donald.

*Ted Cruz was a campaign manager for George Bush, while other managers got cozy government jobs, Bush placed Ted in a position that was removed from DC and not desireable. Bush also stated of Cruz, "I just don't like the guy." Cruz's freshman roommate in college had to say about Cruz, "I'm a republican, but I would never vote for him. I would vote for a random name in the phone book first." In sum, just about everyone who has met him hates him.

ETA: The book is available as a PDF online for anyone to download and read. The author allows its use for download, feeling that his findings were important enough that the possible benefit to society outweighs his monetary gains. As such, it is entirely legal to download and read. The link is available here (http://Here is the link: http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf).

ETA2: This is also the book I cited at Dynamic Dragon almost 3 years ago that made him lose his shit about anti-theists (specifically, that this does provide some evidence that religion is harmful to humanity in the aggregate, justifying my anti-theism), which lead to the discovery of his sock-puppetry, his meltdown, and his ban.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Cloud3514 on February 07, 2016, 04:07:33 pm
Well, I for one still take a bit of amusement from how silent the birthers have been about Cruz.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on February 07, 2016, 04:30:09 pm
He's white therefore he will escape their attention.

Ironbite-it's always been about the color of skin with those racists.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on February 07, 2016, 04:52:37 pm
Well, I for one still take a bit of amusement from how silent the birthers have been about Cruz.

Well, he's not a Kenyan Muslim Atheist Anti-Christ Communist, is he?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: pyro on February 07, 2016, 04:53:23 pm
Well, I for one still take a bit of amusement from how silent the birthers have been about Cruz.

Well, he's not a Kenyan Muslim Atheist Anti-Christ Communist, is he?
You forgot fascist.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on February 07, 2016, 05:00:47 pm
Well, I for one still take a bit of amusement from how silent the birthers have been about Cruz.

Well, he's not a Kenyan Muslim Atheist Anti-Christ Communist, is he?
You forgot fascist.
No I didn't. I just didn't put it on the list because I cannot with 100% certainty say that he isn't one.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on February 07, 2016, 05:04:07 pm
ETA: The book is available as a PDF online for anyone to download and read. The author allows its use for download, feeling that his findings were important enough that the possible benefit to society outweighs his monetary gains. As such, it is entirely legal to download and read. The link is available here (http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf).

Fixed that link for you.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on February 07, 2016, 05:36:29 pm
Yeah, I have heard stories that paint Cruz as mind-bendingly obviously sadistic. He's a psychopath with a messiah complex and an ego the size of Starkiller Base. He doesn't CARE if you don't want his "salvation", he's giving it to you.

...If he can get to Presidential Candidate so soon, maybe I should go into politics, once I get far enough...
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 12, 2016, 08:30:39 pm
Now Trump's threatening to sue Cruz:

https://gma.yahoo.com/donald-trump-tweets-standing-sue-ted-cruz-223628721--abc-news-topstories.html (https://gma.yahoo.com/donald-trump-tweets-standing-sue-ted-cruz-223628721--abc-news-topstories.html)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on February 12, 2016, 08:36:02 pm
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Ironbite-can't take it Trumpy?  TOUGH!
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 13, 2016, 01:00:47 am
...If he can get to Presidential Candidate so soon, maybe I should go into politics, once I get far enough...
Being a billionaire helps.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on February 21, 2016, 02:56:46 am
And Der Trumpenfuhrer won South Carolina.

Jeb!...is out, I hope he doesn't commit suicide like mom says. This was I think the final nail in the coffin of the Bush Dynasty.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on February 21, 2016, 02:59:09 am
And Der Trumpenfuhrer won South Carolina.

Jeb!...is out, I hope he doesn't commit suicide like mom says. This was I think the final nail in the coffin of the Bush Dynasty.

And considering Rubio's second-place finish, Kasich is almost certainly done. Pity--he seemed like the best of the lot.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on February 21, 2016, 03:07:22 am
And this is the man who wanted a department made for promoting Christian values.

Says a lot about the kind of insanity spreading around in this election.

How many hints do people need about Trump's true nature? His secretary is named Robin Himmler...though this does make me wonder - is Robin related to Heinrich Himmler? Does anyone know?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on February 21, 2016, 03:18:46 am
http://wonkette.com/598027/south-carolina-republican-reporters-go-directly-to-jail-do-not-pass-go

And this is not worrying at all.

Heinrich Himmler would approve of this law.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Vypernight on February 27, 2016, 04:50:46 am
http://www.aol.com/article/2016/02/26/professor-if-trump-gets-the-nomination-hell-win-in-november/21319450/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D193438195 (http://www.aol.com/article/2016/02/26/professor-if-trump-gets-the-nomination-hell-win-in-november/21319450/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D193438195)

Saw that article this morning, and while I'm taking it with a grain of salt, it's still a pretty scary prediction.  However, by the person's conclusions, any of the GOP would win in November.

Now that leaves me wondering.  If, hypothetically, a GOP were to win in Nov, which do you think would screw us over the least?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on February 27, 2016, 09:05:54 am
Oddly enough, that would be Trump. He is so universally hated by both parties' pols, that Congress would actually unite to thwart him at every step, like imagine the obstructionist Congress during the Obama administrations X 10.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on February 27, 2016, 09:26:20 am
Oddly enough, that would be Trump. He is so universally hated by both parties' pols, that Congress would actually unite to thwart him at every step, like imagine the obstructionist Congress during the Obama administrations X 10.

...Ever heard the phrase "politics makes strange bedfellows" it exists for a reason and even Trump will get new friends if he makes a few political promises to the very same Republicans who had been opposing him before he was elected.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on February 27, 2016, 10:05:38 am
The remaining GOP candidates are conservative Christian-identifying Tea Party shills, though. They would be effectually worse than Trump, because they already have a lot of friends in Congress. I really hope that it is Trump versus Sanders, because what better icons than they in an election, depicting how deeply divided my country is?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on February 27, 2016, 06:03:57 pm
The remaining GOP candidates are conservative Christian-identifying Tea Party shills, though. They would be effectually worse than Trump, because they already have a lot of friends in Congress. I really hope that it is Trump versus Sanders, because what better icons than they in an election, depicting how deeply divided my country is?

Cruz doesn't have many friends in Congress.

Apparently he asked McConnell to pass a resolution saying that in the opinion of the Senate he fulfilled the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, like they did with McCain. McConnell refused even to introduce it.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 27, 2016, 06:08:50 pm
The remaining GOP candidates are conservative Christian-identifying Tea Party shills, though. They would be effectually worse than Trump, because they already have a lot of friends in Congress. I really hope that it is Trump versus Sanders, because what better icons than they in an election, depicting how deeply divided my country is?

Cruz doesn't have many friends in Congress.

Apparently he asked McConnell to pass a resolution saying that in the opinion of the Senate he fulfilled the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, like they did with McCain. McConnell refused even to introduce it.

Sounds to me like he's burned more bridges than the Wehrmacht.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on March 01, 2016, 07:52:51 pm
Georgia for Trump...

I'm looking at you Proggy

ETA: Holy shit! Trump won Alabama, Tennessee, and Massachusetts. He is also leading in Virginia. What is this?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 01, 2016, 08:12:31 pm
Troll the Poll?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 01, 2016, 08:19:11 pm
What Trump says resonates with people who vote in Republican contests. He's thrown out the dog whistle and they love it.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on March 01, 2016, 08:34:29 pm
What is this?

This is the way the world ends.  Not with a bang but the incoherent ravings of a terrible comb over.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on March 01, 2016, 08:35:25 pm
What Trump says resonates with people who vote in Republican contests. He's thrown out the dog whistle and they love it.

Like, I get how it works from a demographics perspective and who those people are, I grew up around them. What I don't get is how people can be this dumb, and how we as a collective species could allow such stupidity to persist to this point?

Since that sounds strangely eugenicist, I meant how we could allow the stupidity that is Trump to last to this point in the campaign. Like, this reflects on us as a supposedly rational species that we're witnessing this.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 01, 2016, 08:40:49 pm
What Trump says resonates with people who vote in Republican contests. He's thrown out the dog whistle and they love it.

Like, I get how it works from a demographics perspective and who those people are, I grew up around them. What I don't get is how people can be this dumb, and how we as a collective species could allow such stupidity to persist to this point?

Since that sounds strangely eugenicist, I meant how we could allow the stupidity that is Trump to last to this point in the campaign. Like, this reflects on us as a supposedly rational species that we're witnessing this.

They're not necessarily dumb. They're fed up with mainstream politicians (Rubio, Bush, Kasich, sort of Cruz) and Trump has more name recognition than Carson. Since Trump is the only contending candidate who is from outside the mainstream, they're gravitating toward him.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on March 01, 2016, 08:47:24 pm
What Trump says resonates with people who vote in Republican contests. He's thrown out the dog whistle and they love it.

Like, I get how it works from a demographics perspective and who those people are, I grew up around them. What I don't get is how people can be this dumb, and how we as a collective species could allow such stupidity to persist to this point?

Since that sounds strangely eugenicist, I meant how we could allow the stupidity that is Trump to last to this point in the campaign. Like, this reflects on us as a supposedly rational species that we're witnessing this.

They're not necessarily dumb. They're fed up with mainstream politicians (Rubio, Bush, Kasich, sort of Cruz) and Trump has more name recognition than Carson. Since Trump is the only contending candidate who is from outside the mainstream, they're gravitating toward him.

Okay, so let me rephrase this, if they're not dumb, would you describe any Trump supporter as smart?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 01, 2016, 08:51:10 pm
What Trump says resonates with people who vote in Republican contests. He's thrown out the dog whistle and they love it.

Like, I get how it works from a demographics perspective and who those people are, I grew up around them. What I don't get is how people can be this dumb, and how we as a collective species could allow such stupidity to persist to this point?

Since that sounds strangely eugenicist, I meant how we could allow the stupidity that is Trump to last to this point in the campaign. Like, this reflects on us as a supposedly rational species that we're witnessing this.

They're not necessarily dumb. They're fed up with mainstream politicians (Rubio, Bush, Kasich, sort of Cruz) and Trump has more name recognition than Carson. Since Trump is the only contending candidate who is from outside the mainstream, they're gravitating toward him.

Okay, so let me rephrase this, if they're not dumb, would you describe any Trump supporter as smart?

I know Trump supporters I consider rational.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on March 01, 2016, 09:00:02 pm
What Trump says resonates with people who vote in Republican contests. He's thrown out the dog whistle and they love it.

Like, I get how it works from a demographics perspective and who those people are, I grew up around them. What I don't get is how people can be this dumb, and how we as a collective species could allow such stupidity to persist to this point?

Since that sounds strangely eugenicist, I meant how we could allow the stupidity that is Trump to last to this point in the campaign. Like, this reflects on us as a supposedly rational species that we're witnessing this.

They're not necessarily dumb. They're fed up with mainstream politicians (Rubio, Bush, Kasich, sort of Cruz) and Trump has more name recognition than Carson. Since Trump is the only contending candidate who is from outside the mainstream, they're gravitating toward him.

Okay, so let me rephrase this, if they're not dumb, would you describe any Trump supporter as smart?

I know Trump supporters I consider rational.

Well, yeah, I could've phrased it better, but that is half of what I meant, that we as a rational species have had a disconnect somewhere in that a sizable portion of our society supports Trump.

ETA: And Cruz just won Texas. I think he gets all the delegates if he wins more then 50%, otherwise they all split pro rata. But, I'm not sure on that. Whatever the case, he also won Oklahoma. So, he's back in it. Kind of.

And Trump won Virginia.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 01, 2016, 09:07:53 pm
Okay, so let me rephrase this, if they're not dumb, would you describe any Trump supporter as smart?

I'm thinking desperate might be the operative word for the 'not dumb' supporters.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 01, 2016, 09:15:24 pm
I look at The Green Papers for things like delegate allocation rules:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/events.phtml?s=c&f=m

Texas is winner-take-all for the at-large delegates if the candidate gets 50% of the vote, and the same in each district. Otherwise things get a bit more complicated.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: SCarpelan on March 01, 2016, 09:29:27 pm
Cruz wins Oklahoma? I'm not even American and I'm getting fucking scared for you guys.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on March 01, 2016, 09:30:17 pm
Cruz wins Oklahoma? I'm not even American and I'm getting fucking scared for you guys.

These are scary times indeed, my friend.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on March 01, 2016, 09:31:09 pm
Okay, so let me rephrase this, if they're not dumb, would you describe any Trump supporter as smart?

I'm thinking desperate might be the operative word for the 'not dumb' supporters.

Exactly, Trump supporters are poor whites with increasingly shitty economic prospects and loosing privileges in society they always took for granted.  The GOP establishment has done nothing for them and the democrats are little better.  And in their desperation they turned to a man they did not fully understand.  A man who isn't looking for anything logically, who can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with.  He just wants to watch the world burn.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on March 01, 2016, 09:32:13 pm
Okay, so let me rephrase this, if they're not dumb, would you describe any Trump supporter as smart?

I'm thinking desperate might be the operative word for the 'not dumb' supporters.

Exactly, Trump supporters are poor whites with increasingly shitty economic prospects and loosing privileges in society they always took for granted.  The GOP establishment has done nothing for them and the democrats are little better.  And in their desperation they turned to a man they did not fully understand.  A man who isn't looking for anything logically, who can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with.  He just wants to watch the world burn.

Wow, I wouldn't go so far as to compare him to Ted Cruz

:p
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on March 01, 2016, 09:37:32 pm
Cruz wants to watch the world burn if that's what it takes to get all the icky gays, uppity feminists and godless non Christians.

Trump wants to watch the world burn to see if the fire will spell his name in giant capital letters.

Seriously though this article on Vox is a fascinating look at what causes people to support Trump

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Svata on March 01, 2016, 09:46:54 pm
Georgia for Trump...

I'm looking at you Proggy

Not him or me. I was unable to vote, and I'd have been in the other primary anyway.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on March 02, 2016, 12:23:17 am
Looks like Der Trumpenfuhrer won big.

Now that he's achieved this, what sort of insanity will spill from his mouth next?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 02, 2016, 12:32:47 am
Looks like Der Trumpenfuhrer won big.

Now that he's achieved this, what sort of insanity will spill from his mouth next?

Well, he already criticized Rubio for being unable to win any states... right before Rubio won Minnesota.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on March 02, 2016, 01:05:07 am
...Whatever else you think of Mr. Drumpf you have to admit that he is doing better in the elections than anyone (sane) assumed.

Who knows, maybe his presidency would be funny. It would certainly change the status quo.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: rookie on March 02, 2016, 01:33:10 am
Very true, Askold. So what are the immigration requirements where you are?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 02, 2016, 01:34:47 am
Very true, Askold. So what are the immigration requirements where you are?

Don't go there, go to Cape Breton (http://cbiftrumpwins.com/#intro).
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Damen on March 02, 2016, 01:35:14 am
Cruz wins Oklahoma? I'm not even American and I'm getting fucking scared for you guys.

Don't look at me, I voted for Bernie.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: rookie on March 02, 2016, 01:38:40 am
Very true, Askold. So what are the immigration requirements where you are?

Don't go there, go to Cape Breton (http://cbiftrumpwins.com/#intro).


No, the plan has always been to steal a sailboat, load up the wife and any children who can keep up, and leisurely sail to coastal Brazil spending my days getting slapped upside the head by Mrs. Rookie for the obvious reason. It's a good plan, practical and within my means.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on March 02, 2016, 01:45:33 am
Very true, Askold. So what are the immigration requirements where you are?

They have recently made it harder because of the refugees. Just while ago you could have just gotten married with a Finn to get the citizenship but now that is only possible for Finns who make a lot of money. (So you would have to get a rich wife. Oh the horror.)

Other than that (or proof that you are of Finnish descent) things get tougher. As you need to fulfill 6 qualifications:

1) Ability to speak and read Finnish.
2) ...Actually let's just stop here. I mean there would be things like having a clean criminal record, a source of income and having lived in Finland long enough but seeing as the language bit is enough trouble all by itself this ain't gonna be easy.

Plan B: Become an asylum seeker. You may have to wait until President Drumpf has caused a crisis that forces people to flee from USA.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on March 02, 2016, 07:10:47 pm
So do you think that Chris Christie is regretting selling his soul? http://www.smh.com.au/world/chris-christies-wordless-screaming-next-to-donald-trump-20160302-gn8yf5.html (http://www.smh.com.au/world/chris-christies-wordless-screaming-next-to-donald-trump-20160302-gn8yf5.html)

Hilarious article about the look on his face during Trump's super Tuesday speech. I'm not sure if that's true or whether its rather how he normally looks. Then again it might be the realisation that not only could he not beat a clown he is now the clown's bitch.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: rookie on March 03, 2016, 11:00:17 am
I think Douglas Addams put it best. Don't vote for stupid.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Id82 on March 03, 2016, 11:22:33 am
I've actually seen a Republican friend on facebook who is not a fan of Donald Trump compare him to Obama. I had to slap myself in the face.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Delirium on March 03, 2016, 04:07:43 pm
My mom's family has an extremely weird and rare German surname (we're related to everyone with the same surname) so part of me is a little annoyed that people are making fun of a weird German surname but it's also Donald fucking Trump so I honestly don't care.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on March 03, 2016, 07:01:07 pm
I have to wonder what the Germans think of Donald Trump's campaign and the various fascist vibes it gives off...
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 03, 2016, 07:05:04 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ted-cruz-neil-macdonald-1.3473637

The Republican Party is reaping the whirlwind.

Quote
At a rally the other night for Senator Ted Cruz, the dour conservative scold famed for his severe ideological filter, righteous anger crackled through the auditorium of Houston Baptist University.

Some of Texas's most senior Republican politicians sneered from the stage at their own party hierarchy, congratulating Cruz and the Tea Party caucus for humiliating and dumping leaders like former House speaker John Boehner.

To these people, Boehner and his cohort are "RINOs" — Republicans in name only — the hated moderates who care principally about fiscal issues, rather than, say, abortion or gay marriage or the prevention of prayer in schools.

One speaker promised that as president, Cruz would govern "with a Bible in one hand and the Constitution in the other." The crowd roared. That, here, is the dream.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on March 04, 2016, 01:58:59 am
Another article on the link between Trump and the desire for a strongman. http://www.theage.com.au/comment/explaining-the-rise-of-donald-trump-20160303-gna9d3.html (http://www.theage.com.au/comment/explaining-the-rise-of-donald-trump-20160303-gna9d3.html)

The divide is not left and right but between Authoritarians and those who aren't. The one thing that creates more authoritarians? Fear
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on March 04, 2016, 04:08:20 am
So, basically a literal rehash of the factors that led to the rise of Adolf Hitler.

Except now the fascist strongman has even worse hair, no real personality, and going by his platform, he wants to triple the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency's strength and capabilities and "broaden their ability to deal with illegal immigrants".

Really, Donald? You're going with ICE as your Schutzstaffel?

Waffen ICE just sounds silly.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 04, 2016, 08:45:52 am
You've been ICE'd has a pretty good ring to it.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Delirium on March 04, 2016, 02:47:47 pm
So, basically a literal rehash of the factors that led to the rise of Adolf Hitler.

Except now the fascist strongman has even worse hair, no real personality, and going by his platform, he wants to triple the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency's strength and capabilities and "broaden their ability to deal with illegal immigrants".

Really, Donald? You're going with ICE as your Schutzstaffel?

Waffen ICE just sounds silly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4vuUfnTEkg

"It’s exciting watching footage of Donald Trump’s rallies, thinking, 'Ooh! This will be in a documentary in 20 years' time with ominous music on it, and here’s me watching it live.'"
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ironchew on March 04, 2016, 04:48:39 pm
Really, Donald? You're going with ICE as your Schutzstaffel?

> implying that's not already the purpose of ICE

Copyright infringement can get you in trouble with ICE. They're the spooks in the night who can make you disappear -- spooks who are granted a wide range of powers from ignorant xenophobes, and you can bet the Obama administration already allows them to run rampant.

Any supervillain with a brain would use ICE to orchestrate another extermination program in the U.S. The agency would only need minimal repurposing if any.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 04, 2016, 06:03:16 pm
So, basically a literal rehash of the factors that led to the rise of Adolf Hitler.

Except now the fascist strongman has even worse hair, no real personality, and going by his platform, he wants to triple the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency's strength and capabilities and "broaden their ability to deal with illegal immigrants".

Really, Donald? You're going with ICE as your Schutzstaffel?

Waffen ICE just sounds silly.
He'll never actually follow through. Both conservative politicians and rich people love having illegals around. Conservative politicians to win some easy support from the yokels and distract the bleeding hearts on the other side of the fence from any other issues, and rich people because they're the next best thing to slaves. Conservatives promise to actually deport illegals then never do it pretty much every election cycle for this very reason.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on March 04, 2016, 07:28:30 pm
You are forgetting that Trump is deciding his role in history is to be the next Hitler. He WILL do something to the illegal immigrants and ICE is going to play a role in that.

Just a question given ironchew's analysis of them...do they have ominously dark outfits and spiffy hats?

Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 04, 2016, 08:11:09 pm
You are forgetting that Trump is deciding his role in history is to be the next Hitler. He WILL do something to the illegal immigrants and ICE is going to play a role in that.
Hey, just because you're obsessed with Nazis doesn't mean everyone else is. Not to mention, deporting illegal immigrants is not even remotely comparable to Hitler in the first place, but I digress.

But no, Trump has been trying to run for president based on whatever he thinks is popular at the time for the last 16 years (http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/06/15/donald-trump-president-campaign/). He's not a fascist, he's an opportunist. He likely figured that courting the teabagger crowd that the Republican party has been trying to distance itself from in recent years was a great way to get some easy support, and it would seem he figured correctly. It's safe to say any election promises he makes are completely meaningless (or at least even more so).

Don't get me wrong, a Trump presidency would be a very bad thing. But not because he'd be fascist, but rather because he'd be a plutocrat. Basically, more handouts to the rich at the expense of everyone else. In other words, a typical Republican, though maybe a little more extreme.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 05, 2016, 08:41:16 am
So, basically a literal rehash of the factors that led to the rise of Adolf Hitler.

Except now the fascist strongman has even worse hair, no real personality, and going by his platform, he wants to triple the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency's strength and capabilities and "broaden their ability to deal with illegal immigrants".

Really, Donald? You're going with ICE as your Schutzstaffel?

Waffen ICE just sounds silly.
He'll never actually follow through. Both conservative politicians and rich people love having illegals around. Conservative politicians to win some easy support from the yokels and distract the bleeding hearts on the other side of the fence from any other issues, and rich people because they're the next best thing to slaves. Conservatives promise to actually deport illegals then never do it pretty much every election cycle for this very reason.

He might follow through if he figures out how many people are sitting in prison doing nothing that could be made to work.

If there aren't enough of them it could be followed with the welfare bums who are also sitting around doing nothing that could be made to work.

If there aren't enough of them it could be followed with the working poor who are obviously spending too much time sitting around doing nothing that could be made to work more.

There's lots of domestic slave labour to exploit and unfortunately, it would be very Republican to exploit them. The danger with a him being a populist and opportunist is that wind filling his sails is already blowing in this direction and could quickly get out of control.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on March 05, 2016, 09:25:32 am
You've been ICE'd has a pretty good ring to it.
*knock knock*
"ICE to see you!"
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 05, 2016, 10:39:40 am
You've been ICE'd has a pretty good ring to it.
*knock knock*
"ICE to see you!"
Am I the only one imagining this spoken in a thick Austrian accent?

(http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv17/canadian_mojo/guns-Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Terminat.jpg) (http://s665.photobucket.com/user/canadian_mojo/media/guns-Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Terminat.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on March 05, 2016, 01:37:34 pm
You've been ICE'd has a pretty good ring to it.
*knock knock*
"ICE to see you!"
Am I the only one imagining this spoken in a thick Austrian accent?

(http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/vv17/canadian_mojo/guns-Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Terminat.jpg) (http://s665.photobucket.com/user/canadian_mojo/media/guns-Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Terminat.jpg.html)

...No.
"ICE-age cometh!"

...Freeze in hell Batman!
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Svata on March 05, 2016, 03:35:09 pm
What killed the dinosaurs?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 05, 2016, 05:04:14 pm
What killed the dinosaurs?

Niche overspecialization.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 05, 2016, 05:17:20 pm
What killed the dinosaurs?

An asteroid.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 05, 2016, 05:19:34 pm
What killed the dinosaurs?
Nothing. They're called "birds" nowadays.
He might follow through if he figures out how many people are sitting in prison doing nothing that could be made to work.

If there aren't enough of them it could be followed with the welfare bums who are also sitting around doing nothing that could be made to work.

If there aren't enough of them it could be followed with the working poor who are obviously spending too much time sitting around doing nothing that could be made to work more.

There's lots of domestic slave labour to exploit and unfortunately, it would be very Republican to exploit them. The danger with a him being a populist and opportunist is that wind filling his sails is already blowing in this direction and could quickly get out of control.
Sure, he could, but those people are all American citizens and therefore subject to any existing legal protections. It would take far longer than the 8 years tops that trump would have as president to get them on the same level as illegals. That's to say nothing of what the supreme court might have to say about it.

Illegals, on the other hand, no such issues. Just have law enforcement continue to deliberately not deport them and you're golden. Suddenly you don't have to worry one bit about all those pesky minimum wage and workplace safety laws.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on March 06, 2016, 05:41:26 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-right-hand-salute_us_56db50d8e4b03a405678e27a

This is a thing.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on March 06, 2016, 07:15:10 pm
I'm beginning to wonder whether Niam's obsession with the Nazis is the cause or the effect.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on March 07, 2016, 02:01:27 pm
I found this today

Does anyone take Donald Trump seriously, anymore?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: TheContrarian on March 07, 2016, 03:58:58 pm
It'll be OK...

http://brickingitforcanada.com/

Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 07, 2016, 07:30:33 pm
I found this today

Does anyone take Donald Trump seriously, anymore?

America, you had one job.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on March 07, 2016, 08:14:20 pm
I think I found the reason for Niam's Trump obsession (http://www.salon.com/2016/03/03/american_psycho_for_prez_donald_trumps_sons_epitomize_the_80s_style_yuppie_villainy_of_his_campaign/)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on March 07, 2016, 08:47:00 pm
I say we just embrace calling Trump a Nazi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y4fN6WqQBY
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 07, 2016, 11:34:44 pm
I say we just embrace calling Trump a Nazi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y4fN6WqQBY

Yeah, lets go with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSXp37aJJ1w

Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on March 08, 2016, 12:54:36 am
Trump. Making late night comedy great again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdsf0FDt83I
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on March 08, 2016, 04:12:41 am
I think I found the reason for Niam's Trump obsession (http://www.salon.com/2016/03/03/american_psycho_for_prez_donald_trumps_sons_epitomize_the_80s_style_yuppie_villainy_of_his_campaign/)

Fuck this comment from that article is a thing of beauty:

Milieu
4 days ago

((With apologies to P.B. Shelley))

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone

and two tiny hands beside it thrown
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Drumpfadumazz, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 08, 2016, 04:16:44 am
I think I found the reason for Niam's Trump obsession (http://www.salon.com/2016/03/03/american_psycho_for_prez_donald_trumps_sons_epitomize_the_80s_style_yuppie_villainy_of_his_campaign/)

Fuck this comment from that article is a thing of beauty:

Milieu
4 days ago

((With apologies to P.B. Shelley))

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone

and two tiny hands beside it thrown
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Drumpfadumazz, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away

It's better without the errant extra line and just the single change.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on March 08, 2016, 04:28:13 am
Really I love the hands bit.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 08, 2016, 02:25:34 pm
Really I love the hands bit.

It breaks the meter and rhyme scheme.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on March 08, 2016, 02:37:32 pm
Meter and rhyme scheme loses to the tiny hands. Because fucking hilarious.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 12, 2016, 10:07:31 am
A Trump rally was postponed because of security concerns:

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-faces-questions-rally-violence-gop-debate-084859864--election.html (http://news.yahoo.com/trump-faces-questions-rally-violence-gop-debate-084859864--election.html)

Much as I'm opposed to this kind of thing, I can't help but feel some schadenfreude.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on March 12, 2016, 04:13:47 pm
Trump, I think, wanted to whip his supporters up into a frenzy. By cancelling, he makes it seem the much lamented "PC people" have forced his hand via some extraordinary threat of violence.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on March 12, 2016, 05:53:04 pm
I gave up after reading 30 comments below an article about it. 100% were conspiritards saying the protesters are plants from the GOP and DNC. Lol.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on March 12, 2016, 11:35:12 pm
And Trump just said he wants arrests and to "ruin the rest of their [the protestors'] lives".

I think he's just glum he cannot go "Heydrich, I want you to go slit their throats."
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on March 13, 2016, 12:19:08 pm
This sudden massive upturn in protestors and violent reactions at his rallies may be what is making fence-sitters vote Cruz in the latest primaries. I hate Cruz and actually fear him more than Trump. A fundie sociopath Tea-hadi is actually a worse person to have in power, from a practical standpoint. And Cruz can apparently beat Clinton and Sanders according to a lot of head-to-head polls, unlike Trump.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on March 13, 2016, 12:43:52 pm
This sudden massive upturn in protestors and violent reactions at his rallies may be what is making fence-sitters vote Cruz in the latest primaries. I hate Cruz and actually fear him more than Trump. A fundie sociopath Tea-hadi is actually a worse person to have in power, from a practical standpoint. And Cruz can apparently beat Clinton and Sanders according to a lot of head-to-head polls, unlike Trump.

Fortunately head-to-head polls this early in the election year have very low predictive value (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/08/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-consistently-beats-donald-t/), so you've nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on March 15, 2016, 06:30:36 am
This could have gone to the other thread as well but Trump got the must support on a survey of which candidates the US military would vote for:

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/03/14/military-times-election-survey-donald-trump-bernie-sanders/81767560/?=recache

Bernie is also doing quite well, in fact the Navy and Air force members gave him just a bit more votes than Trump. ...But Army and Marines vote Republican and Trump. (Fun fact, Cruz was also doing quite well among the Air force members, though that was more even than any of the other branches.)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on March 15, 2016, 11:55:53 am
The United States Air Force Academy faculty and cadet student population has become increasingly dominated by evangelical Christians during the past twenty years. This "culture" just serves to attract more evangelicals to apply to the Academy. The number of evangelical Academy graduate officers and the high number of evangelical enlistee airmen significantly skews any poll sample of AF towards conservative more than the other branches of the military. This marked change in the "culture" of the USAF is just so weird to me, because it was the service branch of choice during the Vietnam War draft for any dude who was ambivalent about the war, and the AF was also very much more lenient and progressive about allowing long-ish hair and beards, mustaches, sideburns...all that '60's and '70's mainstreaming of "hippie" style. Picture Ron Burgundy as a twenty-something in USAF dress blues...Now, picture a Kirk Cameron look alike twenty-something with a Bible tucked inside his USAF dress blues tunic.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on March 15, 2016, 02:26:17 pm
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-militia-forms-to-forcefully-protect-rally-goers-against-far-left-agitators/

I'm...not even gonna make the reference. They made it themselves.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on March 15, 2016, 03:33:49 pm
“The Lion’s Guard”

(http://i.imgur.com/fqKRJgf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LTauddZ.jpg?1)
*these guys are actually an airsoft team

Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 15, 2016, 03:35:49 pm
How long do you think it'll take before somebody gets shot at a Trump rally?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on March 15, 2016, 03:56:58 pm
They call themselves Lions Guard SS, and registered Trumpstaffel.com...

So not very long, Ultie. The Protection Squadron was not known for restraint.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Svata on March 15, 2016, 04:52:58 pm
Well, he may be losing support soon... It has become known he orders steak well-done.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on March 15, 2016, 04:59:37 pm
Well, he may be losing support soon... It has become known he orders steak well-done.

Yankee "well-done" or a proper well-done? Because I know the infidels in USA undercook their meat.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Svata on March 15, 2016, 05:04:11 pm
Either way is tough, dry, and tasteless. Never cook a steak more than Medium. Otherwise you may as well be eating a hamburger or warm jerkey.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on March 15, 2016, 05:59:34 pm
Lions Guard?  As someone else asked, does that mean Trump is from House Lannister?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on March 15, 2016, 08:14:28 pm
Trump has just won the state of Florida, which is winner-take-all, giving him 99 delegates. This brings him up to 568 out of a needed 1,237 (putting him over 45% there). And he is up in Florida, and slated to win the other states today. I literally can't even.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 15, 2016, 08:42:01 pm
Trump has just won the state of Florida, which is winner-take-all, giving him 99 delegates. This brings him up to 568 out of a needed 1,237 (putting him over 45% there). And he is up in Florida, and slated to win the other states today. I literally can't even.

I wouldn't be so surprised.  After all, it's Florida.

Lions Guard?  As someone else asked, does that mean Trump is from House Lannister?

The parallels are easy to make.  Rich, blond, arrogant...
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ironchew on March 15, 2016, 08:45:01 pm
The parallels are easy to make.  Rich, blond, arrogant...

It's cute when UP feigns outrage about Trump. We all know he's voting for Trump in November.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 15, 2016, 08:56:59 pm
Either way is tough, dry, and tasteless. Never cook a steak more than Medium. Otherwise you may as well be eating a hamburger or warm jerkey.

Only a poor cook blames his dish.  I've had plenty a flavourful well-done steak and plenty a garbage medium and below steak.  If you know how to cook your meat, any style can be good.  Personally, I don't order below medium, because I don't want to be host to parasites.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Svata on March 15, 2016, 09:24:05 pm
Either way is tough, dry, and tasteless. Never cook a steak more than Medium. Otherwise you may as well be eating a hamburger or warm jerkey.

Only a poor cook blames his dish.  I've had plenty a flavourful well-done steak and plenty a garbage medium and below steak.  If you know how to cook your meat, any style can be good.  Personally, I don't order below medium, because I don't want to be host to parasites.

Medium is generally what I go for. Its just been my experience that well-done doesn't tend to be done well.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 15, 2016, 09:34:37 pm
Medium rare at the absolute most for me. I like my meat to moo.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: LeTipex on March 16, 2016, 04:19:49 pm
The parallels are easy to make.  Rich, blond, arrogant...
willing to consider incest...
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on March 17, 2016, 12:54:32 am
Something I've been wondering, when can Donald Trump go to jail for inciting violence?  How much further would he need to go?  He's already told his supports stuff like

"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell. I promise you I will pay for the legal fees. I promise."

And now he has made thinly veiled threats to incite riots if the GOP doesn't give him the nomination.  Can he get arrested please?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 17, 2016, 12:59:26 am
Something I've been wondering, when can Donald Trump go to jail for inciting violence?

Never, because he's (ostensibly) rich.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 17, 2016, 12:59:39 am
Something I've been wondering, when can Donald Trump go to jail for inciting violence?  How much further would he need to go?  He's already told his supports stuff like

"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell. I promise you I will pay for the legal fees. I promise."

And now he has made thinly veiled threats to incite riots if the GOP doesn't give him the nomination.  Can he get arrested please?

He's rich as hell. He could probably go on a mass shooting spree and avoid arrest.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 21, 2016, 12:13:22 am
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/marco-rubio-florida-donors-1.3499862

In brief: Rubio's donors spent $25,000,000 in their effort to deny Trump Florida.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Vypernight on March 21, 2016, 04:38:14 am
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/marco-rubio-florida-donors-1.3499862

In brief: Rubio's donors spent $25,000,000 in their effort to deny Trump Florida.

And yet he still got his *** handed to him.  I know a number of people here who supported Rubio, and now they're not sure whom to vote for since they hate both Clinton and Trump.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on March 21, 2016, 04:51:48 am
I have got to wonder what the Germans think of this whole Trump phenomenon.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 21, 2016, 05:38:34 am
I have got to wonder what the Germans think of this whole Trump phenomenon.

Or the Italians.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on March 21, 2016, 11:42:16 am
Yeah, his exaggerated facial expressions are exactly like Mussolini's. It's uncanny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn47sY8gAyU
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on March 21, 2016, 12:14:29 pm
The facial expressions are just a minor detail in how Trump is actually very much like Mussolini in his campaign. Mussolini also appealed to the ignorant masses and made up meaningless catch phrases and ideologies while talking.

Hitler was consistent on driving up hate against the untermensch and riding a wave of nationalism, Trump and Mussolini on the other hand are completely unpredictable because they don't really care what they say or do. Mussolini and Trump both try to create a similar cult of personality for themselves, though for Trump it was formerly used only for business. Putting his name on everything and making HIMSELF the most important thing in any venture. Rather than skill in business he was hoping to make money come to him because even his name has such value that people would take him on to projects just to get the TRUMP name attached to it. ...How successful that was is a matter of debate.

But just like Mussolini added ideas from Nazis to his Fascism Trump is now riding on the racism train, I doubt that Trump is really as racists as he makes himself seem with his comments about Mexicans and Muslims, he just saw a way to make himself slightly more popular. Similarly Hitler and Mussolini didn't really see eye to eye but Hitler used him since he had few allies available and Mussolini aligned with Hitler since making a deal with the Allies wouldn't have given him a similar chance to take over other countries.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: SCarpelan on March 21, 2016, 04:35:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRly-0wwl_g
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on March 22, 2016, 09:28:59 am
<clicks play. spews coffee into hand. XD>
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on March 25, 2016, 10:05:26 pm
so, I've been crunching some numbers. If Kasich wins every delegate from here on out, he cannot reach 1237 needed for the nomination.

Trump is favored heavily to win New York. If he does so, then Cruz needs to win 772 out of the remaining 829 Delegates* to reach 1237. This is even harder when you consider that 112 of these 829 are going to be appointed proportionately. So, for Cruz to hit 1237, he needs to win every state, except New York, going forward. Trump is the only person with a realistic chance of hitting 1237. So, we're either looking at Trump running in the general election or a brokered republican convention. And I fully expect Trump to run as an independent if he gets the majority of delegates, but not the nomination. This is shaping up to be quite entertaining.

*the delegates ignore the 95 that are part of New York
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 25, 2016, 10:11:18 pm
The facial expressions are just a minor detail in how Trump is actually very much like Mussolini in his campaign. Mussolini also appealed to the ignorant masses and made up meaningless catch phrases and ideologies while talking.

Hitler was consistent on driving up hate against the untermensch and riding a wave of nationalism, Trump and Mussolini on the other hand are completely unpredictable because they don't really care what they say or do. Mussolini and Trump both try to create a similar cult of personality for themselves, though for Trump it was formerly used only for business. Putting his name on everything and making HIMSELF the most important thing in any venture. Rather than skill in business he was hoping to make money come to him because even his name has such value that people would take him on to projects just to get the TRUMP name attached to it. ...How successful that was is a matter of debate.

But just like Mussolini added ideas from Nazis to his Fascism Trump is now riding on the racism train, I doubt that Trump is really as racists as he makes himself seem with his comments about Mexicans and Muslims, he just saw a way to make himself slightly more popular. Similarly Hitler and Mussolini didn't really see eye to eye but Hitler used him since he had few allies available and Mussolini aligned with Hitler since making a deal with the Allies wouldn't have given him a similar chance to take over other countries.

To add to the parallels, Mussolini was once a socialist, much like how Trump used to be a liberal.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 25, 2016, 11:43:00 pm
so, I've been crunching some numbers. If Kasich wins every delegate from here on out, he cannot reach 1237 needed for the nomination.

Trump is favored heavily to win New York. If he does so, then Cruz needs to win 772 out of the remaining 829 Delegates* to reach 1237. This is even harder when you consider that 112 of these 829 are going to be appointed proportionately. So, for Cruz to hit 1237, he needs to win every state, except New York, going forward. Trump is the only person with a realistic chance of hitting 1237. So, we're either looking at Trump running in the general election or a brokered republican convention. And I fully expect Trump to run as an independent if he gets the majority of delegates, but not the nomination. This is shaping up to be quite entertaining.

*the delegates ignore the 95 that are part of New York

I think you mean plurality, not majority. Also, haven't some states' filing deadlines already passed?

Though it would be interesting to see if the Convention delegates decide to screw Trump out of the nomination even if a majority are bound to him. After all, almost all of them are only bound for the first ballot, and are typically picked by state parties, not candidates. So they're not necessarily going to support him on any other votes, and could well, on the floor, change the nomination rules* to make sure Trump doesn't win the nomination on the first ballot, then go vote for someone else.

And there's nothing saying they have to support his choice of Vice-Presidential candidate, either, and there's nothing President Trump could do about a VP who refuses to resign and refuses to cooperate, or about a running mate who pledges to push for Trump's impeachment and conviction.

*For instance, they could use the papal conclave rule (two-thirds majority), or require majorities on three consecutive ballots, or require the nominee to have held elected office at the state or federal level.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on March 27, 2016, 03:49:30 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/26/politics/guns-petition-republican-national-convention/

22000 people sign a petition to allow them to openly carry guns at the Republican National Convention.

"I mean, Cleveland is a dangerous city. Its fraught with crime...terrorism even! And it'd be a pity if something...happened...if Donald J. Trump is not elected as the nominee. I mean, shots might be fired, long knives might be drawn..."
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on March 27, 2016, 03:58:30 pm
If the GOP doesn't let them bring guns they will lose some voters who care only about the 2nd Amendment. Although I am certain that at least a few candidates would cry fake outrage over the denial to allow guns in hopes of making those voters stay.

...If they do let them bring guns I fear it will end in tragedy and also cost them voters and possibly a politician or two.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 27, 2016, 04:04:24 pm
If the GOP doesn't let them bring guns they will lose some voters who care only about the 2nd Amendment. Although I am certain that at least a few candidates would cry fake outrage over the denial to allow guns in hopes of making those voters stay.

...If they do let them bring guns I fear it will end in tragedy and also cost them voters and possibly a politician or two.

That bolded part... tragedy?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ironchew on March 27, 2016, 04:53:54 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/26/politics/guns-petition-republican-national-convention/

22000 people sign a petition to allow them to openly carry guns at the Republican National Convention.

"I mean, Cleveland is a dangerous city. Its fraught with crime...terrorism even! And it'd be a pity if something...happened...if Donald J. Trump is not elected as the nominee. I mean, shots might be fired, long knives might be drawn..."

Here we have the possibility of an in-depth, monumentally inhumane case study on whether enough good guys with guns can stop all the bad guys with guns.

Surely more guns will make someone happy. Perhaps the arms manufacturers.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: pyro on March 27, 2016, 10:17:29 pm
...If they do let them bring guns I fear it will end in tragedy and also cost them voters and possibly a politician or two.

So they're dammed if they do and damned if they don't?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: MaybeNever on March 27, 2016, 11:35:35 pm
I think you mean plurality, not majority. Also, haven't some states' filing deadlines already passed?

By the end of the Republican convention, July 21, the filing deadlines of 11 states will have passed. Significantly, that includes Texas, Florida, and North Carolina. Trump-as-independent would undoubtedly be a spoiler at best anyway, but there's really no way he'd win without being on the ballot in those states. How much he'd care is another question, of course.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on March 27, 2016, 11:40:31 pm
I think you mean plurality, not majority. Also, haven't some states' filing deadlines already passed?

By the end of the Republican convention, July 21, the filing deadlines of 11 states will have passed. Significantly, that includes Texas, Florida, and North Carolina. Trump-as-independent would undoubtedly be a spoiler at best anyway, but there's really no way he'd win without being on the ballot in those states. How much he'd care is another question, of course.

Except that if he can win a few otherwise-Republican states, he might not be a spoiler; he might just hand the Presidency to the GOP if the election goes to the House, thanks to gerrymandering.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: SCarpelan on March 28, 2016, 10:28:24 pm
Trump has picked the most influential nomination he could hope for:
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/03/22/i-cthulhu-endorse-donald-trump/)
Quote
And that is why I whisper into the minds of all who will heed: Cthulhu endorses Donald Trump.

Who better to usher in a new and monstrous age of ultimate chaos?

In him, I recognize a kindred spirit.

I admire the tremendous obelisk he has constructed to mar the skyline of New York City with its vast dolomite shadow.

We share an affinity for the huge, the mammoth, the gargantuan, the nightmarishly tremendous.

My geometry is not of this puny world, just as his arithmetic is not of this world.

Like the obsidian vaults of my drowned Cyclopean city, his positions are blurred and fuzzy. Like me, he is not bound by the rules of reality. Like me, he obeys no mortal physics, changing shape and angle, acute one moment and obtuse the next.

Like me, he possesses the power to drive those around him to insanity.

I too have built walls of fantastic proportions, almost beyond the compass of the mind of man. But I grow weary of slumber and now, like Trump, I wish to build again.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on March 29, 2016, 02:43:07 am
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/ben-carson-predicts-gop-armageddon-give-nomination-to-trump-or-face-absolute-destruction/

Quote
“I can tell you this,” Carson said during an appearance on Fox & Friends. “If there are shenanigans, if it’s not straightforward, all of those millions of people that Donald Trump has brought into the arena are not going to stay there.”

“And the Republicans are going to lose,” he added. “And it’s going to be not only the presidency, but it’s going to be the Senate, and it could even be the House. It’s going to be absolute destruction.”

...Or if Trump claims that he lost because of shenanigans. Or if some of his crazy supporters start spreading a rumour that he lost because of shenanigans.

I mean, Trump voters put the "fan" in "fanatic" so I doubt they can be distracted as easily as the voters were in the last elections. "Hey, this guy here is now our wonderboy, everyone fall in line and vote for him" ain't gonna be enough this time.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: MaybeNever on March 30, 2016, 12:26:29 am
I think you mean plurality, not majority. Also, haven't some states' filing deadlines already passed?

By the end of the Republican convention, July 21, the filing deadlines of 11 states will have passed. Significantly, that includes Texas, Florida, and North Carolina. Trump-as-independent would undoubtedly be a spoiler at best anyway, but there's really no way he'd win without being on the ballot in those states. How much he'd care is another question, of course.

Except that if he can win a few otherwise-Republican states, he might not be a spoiler; he might just hand the Presidency to the GOP if the election goes to the House, thanks to gerrymandering.

True, except he'd have to capture blue states (or a couple strategic swing states) to make that happen, not just red, else the Democratic candidate just coasts to 270 electoral votes. And when you account for his performance in primary contests relative to party turnout, it's really hard to see him taking any significant blue country.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on March 30, 2016, 02:12:23 am
So Trump's campaign manager has been charged with battery for beating up a Breitbart reporter.  http://www.vox.com/2016/3/29/11327256/trump-lewandowski-assault

Trump of course is asking how we know she didn't bruise her own arm?  "How do you know those bruises weren't there before?" Trump said on Tuesday. "So, you say, bruises on her arm. How did they get there? Who put them there? I don't know that [Lewandowski] put them there."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VISOBAiYNas
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on March 30, 2016, 10:14:22 am
And Trump doesn't want to be in the next CNN debate because CNN has given his opponents to much airtime compared to him.

Ironbite-it's not like the MSNM isn't his personal bitch at the moment.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on April 01, 2016, 09:24:02 pm
Aww, man. With Trump and Cruz going back and forth so much, it was only a matter of time before Trump accepted Cruz's one-on-one debate challenge. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_iBr4Nl13M)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on April 01, 2016, 09:29:46 pm
Oh Nein! How can The Donald compare against the Master Debater Ted Cruz? I mean even after Ted got married - usually men go to pot as a result of kids - he kept on with the Master Debating! His wife even seemed kind of disappointed that he kept on neglecting her in favor of Master Debating!

The Donald is in big trouble - I mean, Ted Cruz I've heard practises for the big shows like in Congress by Master Debating like ten times in a single day!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 01, 2016, 09:37:42 pm
Oh Nein! How can The Donald compare against the Master Debater Ted Cruz? I mean even after Ted got married - usually men go to pot as a result of kids - he kept on with the Master Debating! His wife even seemed kind of disappointed that he kept on neglecting her in favor of Master Debating!

The Donald is in big trouble - I mean, Ted Cruz I've heard practises for the big shows like in Congress by Master Debating like ten times in a single day!

(click to show/hide)

Cruz would do better if he spent less time Master Debating, and more time foking!
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: rookie on April 04, 2016, 12:36:55 pm
My favorite Trump spewage so far has been women should be punished for having abortions. No wait! I mean doctors! Doctors should be punished!
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on April 04, 2016, 01:10:31 pm
Women doctors. I mean women abortion doctors.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on April 05, 2016, 04:32:16 pm
Trump's campaign has had a UGE effect.

http://www.occupyliberals.com/2016/04/03/walk-fame-remove-trumps-star-people-keep-peeing/

His star is being removed because people keep vandalizing it, including peeing and shitting on it.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 05, 2016, 07:55:30 pm
Well, the share of people shitting at the front of Trump Tower just went up.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on April 05, 2016, 08:26:33 pm
A construction worker put a Mexican flag on top of a Trump building recently.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on April 05, 2016, 10:12:56 pm
Who's ready for a contested convention!?  Cause Ted Cruz won Wisconsin tonight.

Ironbite-beat Drump by a good margin too.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 05, 2016, 10:23:24 pm
Who's ready for a contested convention!?  Cause Ted Cruz won Wisconsin tonight.

Ironbite-beat Drump by a good margin too.

The convention won't necessarily be contested:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-cruz-work-block-kasich-ballot-open-convention-n549996

If the Trump and Cruz campaigns conspire to make sure that no one other than those two can be on the ballot at all, then unless there's a provision for some delegates to refuse to vote (or if delegates bound to a candidate not on the ballot can't vote), and a candidate needs only a majority of delegates who voted to win, one of them will win on the first ballot.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on April 07, 2016, 09:20:17 pm
Alex Jones and a number of others are planning and beginning execution of "Days of Rage", to " make sure the party establishment does not steal Trump's nomination."

And so the Night of the Long Knives commenced.

And Roger Stone really does not want you to judge him for it, it's totally not Hitlerish at all.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 07, 2016, 09:24:12 pm
Alex Jones and a number of others are planning and beginning execution of "Days of Rage", to " make sure the party establishment does not steal Trump's nomination."

And so the Night of the Long Knives commenced.

And Roger Stone really does not want you to judge him for it, it's totally not Hitlerish at all.

With Trump faltering, it could well be that Cruz has a plurality of delegates going into the convention.

In which case I'll laugh really hard if Alex Jones claims that the nomination was stolen from Trump when Trump's entire argument to that effect is that the candidate with the plurality of delegates should get the nomination.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: pyro on April 07, 2016, 09:43:23 pm
Alex Jones and a number of others are planning and beginning execution of "Days of Rage", to " make sure the party establishment does not steal Trump's nomination."

And so the Night of the Long Knives commenced.

And Roger Stone really does not want you to judge him for it, it's totally not Hitlerish at all.

Sounds more like the One Hour Hate.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 07, 2016, 09:45:52 pm
Alex Jones and a number of others are planning and beginning execution of "Days of Rage", to " make sure the party establishment does not steal Trump's nomination."

And so the Night of the Long Knives commenced.

And Roger Stone really does not want you to judge him for it, it's totally not Hitlerish at all.

Sounds more like the One Hour Hate.

Wasn't that the Two Minutes Hate?

(Donald Trump doubleplusgood, Ted Cruz, John Kasich and Democrats doubleplusungood!)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: pyro on April 07, 2016, 09:47:10 pm
Wasn't that the Two Minutes Hate?

You're right. My mistake.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 07, 2016, 09:49:25 pm
Wasn't that the Two Minutes Hate?

You're right. My mistake.

Well, with some of those people, it'll probably be more like the Two Seconds Hate, then Cruz will say something simultaneously racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic and they'll all flock to him.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on April 08, 2016, 03:18:23 am
Couple of weeks old but given Cruz is looking more and more like the GOP nominee here's Samantha Bee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgaqhTZBlg
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on April 08, 2016, 05:46:13 pm
Couple of weeks old but given Cruz is looking more and more like the GOP nominee here's Samantha Bee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMgaqhTZBlg

Yeah, I mentioned as much a few months ago from something a professor told me. Cruz is flat out a dick.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 08, 2016, 06:43:15 pm
Yeah, I mentioned as much a few months ago from something a professor told me. Cruz is flat out a dick.

Cruz is a dick, but at least he doesn't talk about his.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on April 09, 2016, 01:19:36 am
Yeah  I have read the articles by his former flatmate et al. I just loved that summary, especially the clip from the college play. "Oh why am I persecuted?!'
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on April 09, 2016, 01:33:40 am
I've seen that video before, and I seriously want to know what passages in the bible that idiot thinks condemn the capitol gains tax.  Just fuck the what?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on April 09, 2016, 02:01:22 am
So do I but you know it would be disappointing. Probably some version of 'render unto Caesar what is Caesar's'. I would like to here's explanation of the Matthew 19:24
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 09, 2016, 02:09:36 am
I've seen that video before, and I seriously want to know what passages in the bible that idiot thinks condemn the capitol gains tax.  Just fuck the what?
Oh, there's quite a few.

'And Jesus said unto his disciples, "If ye shall use thine money to purchase an investment, suffer no tax collectors upon thine capitol gains. So sayeth the Lord".' Republicans 14: 5-

'Thou shalt pay no taxes upon thine wealth gained by the selling of an investment, for it is an abomination' Finances 3: 16-17

'If the government tries to tax your capital gains, do me a favour and punch it in the face' Trump 967: 23
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on April 09, 2016, 02:19:53 am
And Christ's disciples cried out "what the fuck is a capital gains tax?"  And Christ said unto them "It won't exist for another 1900 years but trust me it's bad, also never use a flux capacitor on your hovercraft that will be an abomination too"
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Igor on April 09, 2016, 02:58:50 am
I've seen that video before, and I seriously want to know what passages in the bible that idiot thinks condemn the capitol gains tax.  Just fuck the what?
Oh, there's quite a few.

'And Jesus said unto his disciples, "If ye shall use thine money to purchase an investment, suffer no tax collectors upon thine capitol gains. So sayeth the Lord".' Republicans 14: 5-

'Thou shalt pay no taxes upon thine wealth gained by the selling of an investment, for it is an abomination' Finances 3: 16-17

'If the government tries to tax your capital gains, do me a favour and punch it in the face' Trump 967: 23
Small picky point, it's thy both times there. Thine is like an, used when the next word starts with a vowel sound. So it's thy butt but thine ass, you see? :p *goes back to lurking*
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 09, 2016, 03:15:04 am
Duly noted.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on April 10, 2016, 11:04:08 am
The Boston Globe taking a mighty piss.

(http://i.imgur.com/tDMcYTW.png)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on April 11, 2016, 09:15:40 am
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28700919/colorado-republicans-cancel-2016-presidential-caucus-vote

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The GOP executive committee has voted to cancel the traditional presidential preference poll after the national party changed its rules to require a state's delegates to support the candidate who wins the caucus vote.

It looked like Trump could have gotten the majority of the votes so the GOP decided that it is safer to cancel the caucus rather than giving Trump a chance to gain more delegates.

...Are they trying to destroy their own party? This is pretty much the worst choice they could have made. Even if Trump really had won the state that would have merely been a few delegates but now his craziest fans have actual evidence that the GOP is trying to stump Trump and who knows what they are going to do.

Armed rebellion? Political assassinations? "GOD is on our side" posters and passive angry protesters with guns and hamburgers?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 11, 2016, 09:35:36 am
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28700919/colorado-republicans-cancel-2016-presidential-caucus-vote

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The GOP executive committee has voted to cancel the traditional presidential preference poll after the national party changed its rules to require a state's delegates to support the candidate who wins the caucus vote.

It looked like Trump could have gotten the majority of the votes so the GOP decided that it is safer to cancel the caucus rather than giving Trump a chance to gain more delegates.

...Are they trying to destroy their own party? This is pretty much the worst choice they could have made. Even if Trump really had won the state that would have merely been a few delegates but now his craziest fans have actual evidence that the GOP is trying to stump Trump and who knows what they are going to do.

Armed rebellion? Political assassinations? "GOD is on our side" posters and passive angry protesters with guns and hamburgers?

Certainly an epic amount of caterwauling.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on April 11, 2016, 12:59:31 pm
Alex Jones will 'splode. Even more so than he does every five minutes, regardless. If there is a demographic that is genuinely capable of getting furious enough to rise up in armed protest or just street riots about this, it's Trump supporters.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 11, 2016, 01:11:24 pm
Colorado Republicans caucused on Super Tuesday, so any allocation of delegates from that state would have been proportional (RNC rules prohibited winner-take-all primaries in early March); instead, those caucuses only elected delegates to the state and district conventions. What this allowed them to do was choose their delegates at the state and district conventions, with the delegates individually announcing the candidate (if any) to whom they would be bound.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on April 11, 2016, 01:28:36 pm
Specifically, this happened:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29750206/angry-donald-trump-blasts-colorado-gop-results-totally

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Instead, Republicans selected national delegates through the caucus process, a move that put the election of national delegates in the hands of party insiders and activists — leaving roughly 90 percent of the more than 1 million Republican voters on the sidelines.

34 delegates go to Cruz and seeing as the "insiders and activists" are less likely to be Trump voters this did was a way to ensure that Trump didn't win Colorado.

...And the story just gets better:
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The campaign also teamed with controversial conservative organizations, such as the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, Gun Owners of America and religious liberty groups, to rally support.

The Colorado Republican Party only exacerbated the fears of the Trump camp on Saturday when it tweeted after Cruz claimed victory at the convention: "We did it. #NeverTrump."

A second after the tweet, a state party spokesman came running into the press box at the convention and shouted "it wasn't us!"


The party quickly deleted the tweet and posted: "The last tweet was the result of unauthorized access to our account and in no way represents the opinion of the party. We are investigating."

Conspiracies all around.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 11, 2016, 03:51:46 pm
Here's the thing: the caucus-convention system is an exercise in representative democracy and, as such, is not inherently undemocratic.

Colorado Republicans met at local caucuses to elect delegates to later conventions. Those delegates elected representatives to the national convention. Cruz's campaign worked to see that the delegates elected to the district and state conventions were Cruz supporters.

This was done, as the article notes, to ensure that none of Colorado's delegates would be bound to a candidate who would later leave the race. Had the allocation of delegates been made on Super Tuesday, it is likely that Rubio would have picked up some delegates.

This is fine. Cruz supporters were elected to choose the delegates, and they (naturally) chose national convention delegates who would support Cruz.

This is similar to what happened in Nevada, where while Clinton had significantly more delegates to the county convention than Sanders, a greater proportion of Sanders' delegates showed up to elect delegates to the state convention, and, consequently, the estimates on the number of national convention delegates the two candidates will receive were revised in favour of Sanders.

However, it does lead to the perception that the system is undemocratic and does not reflect the people's will, which is the same issue facing the superdelegate system in the Democratic Party. (Note: I am not saying that either system is undemocratic.)

Of course, the system doesn't reflect the people's will (http://journalistsresource.org/studies/politics/finance-lobbying/the-influence-of-elites-interest-groups-and-average-voters-on-american-politics), but that's another matter.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 11, 2016, 05:28:29 pm
Meanwhile: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-confirms-his-son-and-daughter-will-not-be-voting-for-him-in-new-york-a6978916.html#gallery

Yep, two of Trump's kids missed the deadline to change their party affiliation in order to be able to vote in New York's Republican primary.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on April 11, 2016, 05:31:40 pm
Bwhahahaha
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on April 11, 2016, 08:23:04 pm
<snort> XD
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on April 12, 2016, 10:22:17 am
He's definitely worse.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on April 12, 2016, 10:32:33 am
Let's put it like this... If Trump wins the GOP and Democrats will fight him together if he tries to do something too stupid even for the GOP. If Cruz wins he will have the party politicians backing him and Trump fans no matter how much damage they may do, at least they are mainly poor and powerless people rather than wealthy businessmen or politicians who could really hurt the country if they rebel.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 17, 2016, 05:53:27 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ted-cruz-new-york-values-campaign-primary-1.3539695

Remember when Cruz talked about Trump's "New York values" while campaigning in Iowa? Yeah, that's biting him in the ass now.

Trump could well take all of New York's delegates, and it appears to be Kasich who's more likely to take the occasional congressional district delegate here and there.

New York Republican delegate allocation rules:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/NY-R#0419
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on April 17, 2016, 06:45:32 pm
Of course that was gonna come back and bite him in the ass.  Everything Cruz does comes back to take a nibble on his buttocks.

Ironbite-the man doesn't understand that words and actions have consequences.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 17, 2016, 07:03:01 pm
Of course that was gonna come back and bite him in the ass.  Everything Cruz does comes back to take a nibble on his buttocks.

Ironbite-the man doesn't understand that words and actions have consequences.

Well, what would you expect from the Zodiac Killer?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: lord gibbon on April 17, 2016, 09:42:56 pm
He believes God has destined him to save/rule America. Therefor, he can say and do whatever he want's because God will save him.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on April 17, 2016, 10:03:10 pm
Wow. God sucks. I mean, I already knew that, but Cruz? Really? Gonna end the world using fucking Ted Cruz?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 17, 2016, 10:40:24 pm
He believes God has destined him to save/rule America. Therefor, he can say and do whatever he want's because God will save him.

...That explains so much.  But tempting God is never a good idea.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on April 17, 2016, 11:24:21 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zopk5af9_yg
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Svata on April 18, 2016, 12:40:59 am
Love me some TFS
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on April 18, 2016, 09:51:23 am
So John Kasich had some advice to all those who're offended by all the anti-LGBT laws.  Get over it. (http://www.advocate.com/election/2016/4/17/john-kasich-anti-lgbt-discrimination-get-over-it)

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Republican presidential hopeful John Kasich’s answer to LGBT people turned away by businesses is “get over it,” while his advice for those business owners it to pray.

Kasich, the governor of Ohio, has said he wouldn’t have signed anti-LGBT laws like the ones recently enacted in North Carolina and Mississippi, but today on CNN’s State of the Union with Dana Bash, he said that as president, he wouldn’t do anything to stop states from passing such legislation.

“There is a legitimate concern for people being able to have their deeply held religious beliefs, religious liberty,” he told Bash. “But there’s also people who we shouldn’t be discriminating against. … We need to strike a balance, and I just wish we’d take a breath and calm down and take a breath, because you see, trying to legislate that balance is complicated and you keep doing do-overs, because nobody gets it right.”

He continued, “What I would like to say is just relax, and if you don’t like what somebody’s doing, pray for them, and if you’re feeling like somebody is doing something wrong against you, can you just for a second get over it?”

He said he thinks the conflict between LGBT rights and religious liberty will eventually settle down. The law passed in Mississippi allows businesses, individuals, and nonprofits to refuse services to LGBT people and others who somehow offend their religious sensibilities. The North Carolina law does not address religion but prevents cities in the state from enacting or enforcing LGBT-inclusive nondiscrimination laws and also bars transgender people from using the restrooms, locker rooms, and other single-sex facilities that match their gender identity, if those facilities are located in government buildings.

I think we're seeing the end of someone's presidential campaign here.  And possibly his governor ship.

Ironbite-strike a balance...how about we don't pass the god damn laws in the first place you dickhead.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on April 18, 2016, 10:13:15 am
Ibbs, I think he may have been still addressing the fundies with that "if you think somebody is doing you wrong just get over it for a minute" comment. I say that because he clearly was criticizing the legislation, saying it just won't work.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on April 18, 2016, 10:57:23 am
No he's actually telling LGBT folk that they should just get over all the anti-LGBT laws that are springing up.  And he's really really really sad about that as well.

Ironbite-but you should just get over it because really who cares if laws are springing up that'll make it legal to murder you in your own house.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on April 19, 2016, 11:28:07 am
I just....I mean....WHAT!?

Source: http://freakoutnation.com/2016/04/watch-trump-tells-new-york-crowd-of-the-terrorist-attacks-on-711/

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On the eve of New York’s primary, Republican front-runner Donald Trump told a crowd that he wanted to talk about the terrorist attack – which happened “down on 7-Eleven.”
“I was down there, and I watched our police and our firemen, down on 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center, right after it came down,” Trump said on Monday. “And I saw the greatest people I’ve ever seen in action.”
The New York Times reports:
Mr. Trump did not seem to realize that he had invoked a chain of convenience stores, and the crowd did not seem to mind. He continued speaking without hesitation, recalling the bravery he witnessed after the attacks.
After recalling the attacks which didn’t happen at the convenience stores, the bombastic billionaire went on to talk of “the New York values that we all know so well” to target Senator Ted Cruz.
“Despite its problems, we love this state,” Trump said. “We know it’s going to come back. If I’m president, it’s going to come back so fast, you won’t even believe it.”

I mean of all the flubs to have but this just like takes the cake.

Ironbite-if you'll excuse me I'm off to 9-11 to get a slurrpee.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on April 19, 2016, 12:02:55 pm
That and our secret new Cabinet level agency, The Department of Environmental. I guess he was visualizing his local 7-11 Store owner while thinking about all the Muslims he's gonna fuck up with his constant harping and lying about 9/11.

Here, let's lighten this thread up and have some Bee!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0juEWMksOw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ufxM-FaC8I
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 19, 2016, 10:36:19 pm
I just....I mean....WHAT!?

Source: http://freakoutnation.com/2016/04/watch-trump-tells-new-york-crowd-of-the-terrorist-attacks-on-711/

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On the eve of New York’s primary, Republican front-runner Donald Trump told a crowd that he wanted to talk about the terrorist attack – which happened “down on 7-Eleven.”
“I was down there, and I watched our police and our firemen, down on 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center, right after it came down,” Trump said on Monday. “And I saw the greatest people I’ve ever seen in action.”
The New York Times reports:
Mr. Trump did not seem to realize that he had invoked a chain of convenience stores, and the crowd did not seem to mind. He continued speaking without hesitation, recalling the bravery he witnessed after the attacks.
After recalling the attacks which didn’t happen at the convenience stores, the bombastic billionaire went on to talk of “the New York values that we all know so well” to target Senator Ted Cruz.
“Despite its problems, we love this state,” Trump said. “We know it’s going to come back. If I’m president, it’s going to come back so fast, you won’t even believe it.”

I mean of all the flubs to have but this just like takes the cake.

Ironbite-if you'll excuse me I'm off to 9-11 to get a slurrpee.

Didn't cost him New York.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on April 19, 2016, 10:49:32 pm
In fact, if the poll results in the congressional districts stand, then Trump will win about 80-85 delegates. And, if Trump wins 80 delegates, then the GOP only has 669 delegates left to delegate. Assuming that Cruz wins all of them, he'll wind up with 1233: just short of the 1237 he needs to secure the nomination.

Ergo, Trump will represent the GOP or we'll have a contested convention to look forward to in Cleveland.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 19, 2016, 10:53:04 pm
In fact, if the poll results in the congressional districts stand, then Trump will win about 80-85 delegates. And, if Trump wins 80 delegates, then the GOP only has 669 delegates left to delegate. Assuming that Cruz wins all of them, he'll wind up with 1233: just short of the 1237 he needs to secure the nomination.

Ergo, Trump will represent the GOP or we'll have a contested convention to look forward to in Cleveland.

The Green Papers (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/NY-R#0419) has Trump winning 91 right now.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on April 19, 2016, 10:56:37 pm
What about the mutant oompa loompah will he win enough to get to 1237?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on April 19, 2016, 11:24:59 pm
What about the mutant oompa loompah will he win enough to get to 1237?

According to the math, if Trump gets 91 delegates, he would still need 390/674, or about 57.8%. So, it is POSSIBLE. Additionally, most of the remaining states are winner-take-all... And Trump is up in most of those states (including California and Pennsylvania, which allocate a combined 243 delegates).

That said, I really don't know. None of the states that have voted since Rubio dropped give us much to go off of. Cruz won a lot of the midwest, but he was predicted to do well there even before Rubio left (though, Rubio's exit definitely helped him). Trump just won his home state... after Cruz dissed "New York values" and Kasich continued his quest of irrelevance. All that said, the polls are favoring Trump. Whether they'll stand is up in the air as there hasn't really been an "Anyone-But-Trump" trial state. That said, I'll go out on a limb and say that he will hit 1237.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 20, 2016, 11:41:54 pm
Something I read a while back about what 2016 was supposed to be for the Republican Party, and what it's instead become:

Quote
I don't think it's news that the Left is attacking supporters of Republicans as racist, sexist, etc.. The Left has done that for every GOP nominee since Gerald Ford, and the Right is now quite numb to it. (Which creates a bit of a boy-who-cried-racist problem this election.)

What's unusual in this election is that Republicans are attacking the supporters of Trump, often in rather personal ways. This is unusual: even in the multiway melee of the 2012 race, everyone pretty much bent over backwards to respect each other's candidate choices, even when they disagreed with them. I think this personal outrage stems from a sense of betrayal: this was going to be the Conservative Year, the Year of Ideas. We had several fantastic conservatives up for president (Cruz, Rubio), plus a number of other interesting voices from various corners of the party (Paul for the libertarians, Kasich for the moderates, Bush for the donors), and we were really looking forward to a nice long intramural argument about the future direction of the party as we decided. We were even more looking forward to taking our bold new conservative vision and crushing Hillary Clinton -- a deeply vulnerable candidate in a weak economy running for her party's third term in office -- on our way to the White House. We thought everyone in the party was looking forward to this, except perhaps for the donor class, whose power was threatened for the first time in decades. Practically any of them would have been the greatest, most conservative GOP nominee since Reagan, possibly including Reagan.

And then this guy Trump comes along, who is transparently not conservative -- indeed, anti-conservative on a variety of key issues, from abortion to entitlement reform -- and who, on top of that, is a liar, a cheat, a terrible businessman, a bad Christian, a serial adulterer, who says things (in order to get news coverage) that confirm literally every terrible stereotype progressives have ever peddled about conservatives, who wants to severely curtail our Constitutional freedoms (including the First Amendment, and, as far as anybody can tell, Article I), and who can't even stick to any of it, as he contradicts himself constantly. The absolute antithesis of everything everyone I've ever met in the active Republican Party, conservative or establishment, had any interest in seeing. Impossible to view with anything but contempt.

Then suddenly a huge chunk of our base -- people we thought were basically on our side, who valued small government and moral values and wanted to see conservatism triumph over the establishment -- is backing this guy, turning the Year of Ideas into the Year of Trump. Add to that a healthy dose of Pauline Kaelism (http://www.wsj.com/articles/i-dont-know-anybody-who-supports-him-1453836070) (us movement conservatives tend not to know very many actual Trump supporters), and it's hard not to feel like we were just stabbed in the back, like the conservative movement is S.H.I.E.L.D. and Donald Trump's supporters are HYDRA, waiting decades for the day when they would finally emerge and seize control.

This leads naturally to some very hurt feelings on the part of mainstream Republicans (both conservatives and establishment) toward the Trumpers, and that leads to personal invective against not just Trump but also his supporters. We're reaching for the same easy cliches we've learned from the Left: racist, misogynist, fascist, idiot, and so forth. Of course, this only makes the problem worse, in the end, because we're not going to win Trump supporters back over to conservatism by calling them racist rubes and so forth. On the contrary, insulting Trump people is only going to drive them further away, split the party even more. Ultimately, we have to figure out what's driving this exodus from conservatism and somehow regain the trust of Trump fans.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on April 21, 2016, 12:11:18 am
Something I read a while back about what 2016 was supposed to be for the Republican Party, and what it's instead become:

Quote
I don't think it's news that the Left is attacking supporters of Republicans as racist, sexist, etc.. The Left has done that for every GOP nominee since Gerald Ford, and the Right is now quite numb to it. (Which creates a bit of a boy-who-cried-racist problem this election.)

What's unusual in this election is that Republicans are attacking the supporters of Trump, often in rather personal ways. This is unusual: even in the multiway melee of the 2012 race, everyone pretty much bent over backwards to respect each other's candidate choices, even when they disagreed with them. I think this personal outrage stems from a sense of betrayal: this was going to be the Conservative Year, the Year of Ideas. We had several fantastic conservatives up for president (Cruz, Rubio), plus a number of other interesting voices from various corners of the party (Paul for the libertarians, Kasich for the moderates, Bush for the donors), and we were really looking forward to a nice long intramural argument about the future direction of the party as we decided. We were even more looking forward to taking our bold new conservative vision and crushing Hillary Clinton -- a deeply vulnerable candidate in a weak economy running for her party's third term in office -- on our way to the White House. We thought everyone in the party was looking forward to this, except perhaps for the donor class, whose power was threatened for the first time in decades. Practically any of them would have been the greatest, most conservative GOP nominee since Reagan, possibly including Reagan.

And then this guy Trump comes along, who is transparently not conservative -- indeed, anti-conservative on a variety of key issues, from abortion to entitlement reform -- and who, on top of that, is a liar, a cheat, a terrible businessman, a bad Christian, a serial adulterer, who says things (in order to get news coverage) that confirm literally every terrible stereotype progressives have ever peddled about conservatives, who wants to severely curtail our Constitutional freedoms (including the First Amendment, and, as far as anybody can tell, Article I), and who can't even stick to any of it, as he contradicts himself constantly. The absolute antithesis of everything everyone I've ever met in the active Republican Party, conservative or establishment, had any interest in seeing. Impossible to view with anything but contempt.

Then suddenly a huge chunk of our base -- people we thought were basically on our side, who valued small government and moral values and wanted to see conservatism triumph over the establishment -- is backing this guy, turning the Year of Ideas into the Year of Trump. Add to that a healthy dose of Pauline Kaelism (http://www.wsj.com/articles/i-dont-know-anybody-who-supports-him-1453836070) (us movement conservatives tend not to know very many actual Trump supporters), and it's hard not to feel like we were just stabbed in the back, like the conservative movement is S.H.I.E.L.D. and Donald Trump's supporters are HYDRA, waiting decades for the day when they would finally emerge and seize control.

This leads naturally to some very hurt feelings on the part of mainstream Republicans (both conservatives and establishment) toward the Trumpers, and that leads to personal invective against not just Trump but also his supporters. We're reaching for the same easy cliches we've learned from the Left: racist, misogynist, fascist, idiot, and so forth. Of course, this only makes the problem worse, in the end, because we're not going to win Trump supporters back over to conservatism by calling them racist rubes and so forth. On the contrary, insulting Trump people is only going to drive them further away, split the party even more. Ultimately, we have to figure out what's driving this exodus from conservatism and somehow regain the trust of Trump fans.

A decent conservative take, in particular it makes a number of, I think, decent comparisons to the democrats in 2008: think rockstar line-up* that excites various parts of the party base. Additionally, while Obama didn't drive our nation into a tree like Bush did, republican sentiments about the man are not very good, and in many ways our economy is still climbing out of the recession.

And yet, it's chickens coming home to roost. The GOP spent the better part of 30 years doing their best to appeal to racists, xenophobes, and angry white people in an attempt to improve their voter turnout: inner city gangs, mexicans stealing our jobs, Obama's a kenyan muslim, welfare queens, keep your government hands off my medicare, etc. For the most part, the racist elements never grew to such a point that it could be a serious threat to winning a serious position against the various blocs of the GOP base. What's more even if that were the case, party unity would be a good check to ensure that nobody would openly run on such a platform and hurt the GOP (including its various blocs). And then came Trump.

*The 2008 democrats had the party leader Hillary Clinton, the political outsider Barack Obama, the working class hero John Edwards, the experienced candidate Bill Richardson, the international guru Joe Biden, the progressive Dennis Kucinich, that guy who was there Chriss Dodd, and the surly grandpa with dementia Mike Gravel.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on April 21, 2016, 12:16:14 am
Something I read a while back about what 2016 was supposed to be for the Republican Party, and what it's instead become:

Quote
I don't think it's news that the Left is attacking supporters of Republicans as racist, sexist, etc.. The Left has done that for every GOP nominee since Gerald Ford, and the Right is now quite numb to it. (Which creates a bit of a boy-who-cried-racist problem this election.)

What's unusual in this election is that Republicans are attacking the supporters of Trump, often in rather personal ways. This is unusual: even in the multiway melee of the 2012 race, everyone pretty much bent over backwards to respect each other's candidate choices, even when they disagreed with them. I think this personal outrage stems from a sense of betrayal: this was going to be the Conservative Year, the Year of Ideas. We had several fantastic conservatives up for president (Cruz, Rubio), plus a number of other interesting voices from various corners of the party (Paul for the libertarians, Kasich for the moderates, Bush for the donors), and we were really looking forward to a nice long intramural argument about the future direction of the party as we decided. We were even more looking forward to taking our bold new conservative vision and crushing Hillary Clinton -- a deeply vulnerable candidate in a weak economy running for her party's third term in office -- on our way to the White House. We thought everyone in the party was looking forward to this, except perhaps for the donor class, whose power was threatened for the first time in decades. Practically any of them would have been the greatest, most conservative GOP nominee since Reagan, possibly including Reagan.

And then this guy Trump comes along, who is transparently not conservative -- indeed, anti-conservative on a variety of key issues, from abortion to entitlement reform -- and who, on top of that, is a liar, a cheat, a terrible businessman, a bad Christian, a serial adulterer, who says things (in order to get news coverage) that confirm literally every terrible stereotype progressives have ever peddled about conservatives, who wants to severely curtail our Constitutional freedoms (including the First Amendment, and, as far as anybody can tell, Article I), and who can't even stick to any of it, as he contradicts himself constantly. The absolute antithesis of everything everyone I've ever met in the active Republican Party, conservative or establishment, had any interest in seeing. Impossible to view with anything but contempt.

Then suddenly a huge chunk of our base -- people we thought were basically on our side, who valued small government and moral values and wanted to see conservatism triumph over the establishment -- is backing this guy, turning the Year of Ideas into the Year of Trump. Add to that a healthy dose of Pauline Kaelism (http://www.wsj.com/articles/i-dont-know-anybody-who-supports-him-1453836070) (us movement conservatives tend not to know very many actual Trump supporters), and it's hard not to feel like we were just stabbed in the back, like the conservative movement is S.H.I.E.L.D. and Donald Trump's supporters are HYDRA, waiting decades for the day when they would finally emerge and seize control.

This leads naturally to some very hurt feelings on the part of mainstream Republicans (both conservatives and establishment) toward the Trumpers, and that leads to personal invective against not just Trump but also his supporters. We're reaching for the same easy cliches we've learned from the Left: racist, misogynist, fascist, idiot, and so forth. Of course, this only makes the problem worse, in the end, because we're not going to win Trump supporters back over to conservatism by calling them racist rubes and so forth. On the contrary, insulting Trump people is only going to drive them further away, split the party even more. Ultimately, we have to figure out what's driving this exodus from conservatism and somehow regain the trust of Trump fans.

This all makes sense to me, apart from the distinction between 'Conservative' and 'Establishment' as I thought the two were synonymous.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 21, 2016, 12:38:31 am
This all makes sense to me, apart from the distinction between 'Conservative' and 'Establishment' as I thought the two were synonymous.

I'm being rather less generous than the analysis deserves in saying this, but I replaced "Conservative" with "Reactionary" (or "Regressive") mentally.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 21, 2016, 12:45:46 am
Something I read a while back about what 2016 was supposed to be for the Republican Party, and what it's instead become:

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I don't think it's news that the Left is attacking supporters of Republicans as racist, sexist, etc.. The Left has done that for every GOP nominee since Gerald Ford, and the Right is now quite numb to it. (Which creates a bit of a boy-who-cried-racist problem this election.)

What's unusual in this election is that Republicans are attacking the supporters of Trump, often in rather personal ways. This is unusual: even in the multiway melee of the 2012 race, everyone pretty much bent over backwards to respect each other's candidate choices, even when they disagreed with them. I think this personal outrage stems from a sense of betrayal: this was going to be the Conservative Year, the Year of Ideas. We had several fantastic conservatives up for president (Cruz, Rubio), plus a number of other interesting voices from various corners of the party (Paul for the libertarians, Kasich for the moderates, Bush for the donors), and we were really looking forward to a nice long intramural argument about the future direction of the party as we decided. We were even more looking forward to taking our bold new conservative vision and crushing Hillary Clinton -- a deeply vulnerable candidate in a weak economy running for her party's third term in office -- on our way to the White House. We thought everyone in the party was looking forward to this, except perhaps for the donor class, whose power was threatened for the first time in decades. Practically any of them would have been the greatest, most conservative GOP nominee since Reagan, possibly including Reagan.

And then this guy Trump comes along, who is transparently not conservative -- indeed, anti-conservative on a variety of key issues, from abortion to entitlement reform -- and who, on top of that, is a liar, a cheat, a terrible businessman, a bad Christian, a serial adulterer, who says things (in order to get news coverage) that confirm literally every terrible stereotype progressives have ever peddled about conservatives, who wants to severely curtail our Constitutional freedoms (including the First Amendment, and, as far as anybody can tell, Article I), and who can't even stick to any of it, as he contradicts himself constantly. The absolute antithesis of everything everyone I've ever met in the active Republican Party, conservative or establishment, had any interest in seeing. Impossible to view with anything but contempt.

Then suddenly a huge chunk of our base -- people we thought were basically on our side, who valued small government and moral values and wanted to see conservatism triumph over the establishment -- is backing this guy, turning the Year of Ideas into the Year of Trump. Add to that a healthy dose of Pauline Kaelism (http://www.wsj.com/articles/i-dont-know-anybody-who-supports-him-1453836070) (us movement conservatives tend not to know very many actual Trump supporters), and it's hard not to feel like we were just stabbed in the back, like the conservative movement is S.H.I.E.L.D. and Donald Trump's supporters are HYDRA, waiting decades for the day when they would finally emerge and seize control.

This leads naturally to some very hurt feelings on the part of mainstream Republicans (both conservatives and establishment) toward the Trumpers, and that leads to personal invective against not just Trump but also his supporters. We're reaching for the same easy cliches we've learned from the Left: racist, misogynist, fascist, idiot, and so forth. Of course, this only makes the problem worse, in the end, because we're not going to win Trump supporters back over to conservatism by calling them racist rubes and so forth. On the contrary, insulting Trump people is only going to drive them further away, split the party even more. Ultimately, we have to figure out what's driving this exodus from conservatism and somehow regain the trust of Trump fans.

This could have some serious long-term ramifications.  One of the GOP's greatest advantages for the past thirty years or so has been its relative unity.  What we're seeing may be the biggest split in the party since 1976.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on April 21, 2016, 03:42:17 am
Phyllis Schlafly is seeing civil war within her group, and rumour has it the whole conservative Bible shebang is resulting in her little son being all but explicitly thrown out.

Breitbart similarly cannot decide if it wants to be Das Reich or a plain old neocon rag.

I've even heard weird things about RR being in revolt.

The Republicans are for all their talk of Union in a "holy purpose" reaping what they sewed in their many unstable and crazed allies.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 21, 2016, 09:48:25 am
Aye, the tantrum-throwers don't realize that a Democratic win could well do irreparable damage to the Republican party, maybe even fracture them, by absolutely destroying people's confidence in them.  If a Republican wins, that will give them the momentum they so desperately need to continue being a thing and to continue dragging our country back into the Stone Age.  Even a Hillary win would damage them.  Why?  Because that means that the Democrats will have won two non-incumbent election cycles in a row.  People will start seeing a pattern (even if it isn't necessarily present) and that will cause increased levels of dissidence amongst the GOP and, honestly, I can't think of anything better for the nation.  The GOP's time needs to end, we need to stop having a bevy of regressive retards dictating policy.  Just like the "too big to fail" banks, they need to be broken up.  Then, we'll get the opening we need to become a real country again.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Vypernight on April 21, 2016, 04:12:58 pm
I work with a lot of right-wingers, the ones who keep saying, "Osama is trying to take away our guns!"  Ironically, none of them trust Trump, and with Rubio out, they have no idea whom to vote for (They don't like Clinton either, mostly because of the emails, which even I think is stupid). 

Even funnier, when I ask them their thoughts on Cruz, they answer, "Who's that?"
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Radiation on April 22, 2016, 10:03:58 pm
Sorry I haven't been on these boards for a while and haven't really gotten too much into politics during this cycle. I do however want to say that I have a very strong feeling that Trump is going to win. I hope that isn't the case and that this prediction won't come true but it seems that he is very popular among the delegates and superdelagates and he is winning most of the primaries. It's probably going to be between him and Hillary and who knows how it's all going to swing.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 25, 2016, 08:18:27 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cruz-kasich-coordinate-strategies-1.3551216

Cruz and Kasich are teaming up to stop Trump. Kasich will not campaign in Indiana, which he hopes will help Cruz win pluralities in its voting. This is important in Indiana since its delegates are awarded winner-take-all in each district (3 delegates per district with 9 districts) and statewide (30 delegates). Cruz, meanwhile, will not campaign in Oregon or New Mexico, but while indicative of his desire to stop Trump, this is less important since both those states award delegates proportionally.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cruz-kasich-deal-donald-trump-1.3552640

But it could well backfire:

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Political observers warn the partnership threatens to weaken Cruz's anti-establishment image and Kasich's positive "happy warrior" narrative, just days before a crucial Indiana primary.

​The collaboration to peel away delegates before Trump can amass the 1,237 he needs to clinch the nomination also risks fuelling resentment toward the prickly processes and legal manoeuvres used to manipulate the Republican nomination process.

"This reminds people about everything they hate about politics," Roger Stone, Trump's former senior campaign adviser, said Monday in Washington.

The Cruz-Kasich partnership "puts the lie to the idea that Ted Cruz isn't an insider," he said.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on April 25, 2016, 08:52:56 pm
This will not end well for either of them. Plus, considering Cruz's penchant for dirty tricks he can blame on his over-enthusiastic campaigners....
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on April 25, 2016, 09:21:59 pm
I love this election cycle.  This is the monster the Kochs have created and it couldn't happen to nicer assholes.

Ironbite-*gets the popcorn*
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on April 25, 2016, 09:30:27 pm
Heck The Kochs have sort of endorsed Hillary (http://www.vox.com/2016/4/25/11501504/hillary-clinton-koch-support).  Just a vague "it's possible she'd be better than Trump or Cruz" (No shit really).

Understandably she responded that she didn't want their endorsement.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on April 26, 2016, 12:28:48 am
Heck The Kochs have sort of endorsed Hillary (http://www.vox.com/2016/4/25/11501504/hillary-clinton-koch-support).  Just a vague "it's possible she'd be better than Trump or Cruz" (No shit really).

Understandably she responded that she didn't want their endorsement.

They have to support her but they also have to be this vague at the moment. After the GOP nominee has been selected and if it is Trump they will have to throw their weight behind Hillary as the most likely candidate to support their agenda.

I wonder who they would try to influence if the election ends up as Trump vs Sanders? Or would they just pack their stuff and move to their secret moonbase?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on April 26, 2016, 12:32:00 am
Wow an actual Koch endorsement would be the absolute kiss of death.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on April 26, 2016, 12:40:31 am
Wow an actual Koch endorsement would be the absolute kiss of death.

The Kochs aren't daft, and I can't figure out if (1) The GOP field is actually that bad or (2) they're intending to use their endorsement as a kiss of death.

And as for the Kasich-Cruz alliance, if Trump doesn't make a commercial with this song in the background, I will be disappoint

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xg3vE8Ie_E
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on April 26, 2016, 12:54:00 am
Wow an actual Koch endorsement would be the absolute kiss of death.

The Kochs aren't daft, and I can't figure out if (1) The GOP field is actually that bad or (2) they're intending to use their endorsement as a kiss of death.

I could see the latter if they think Kasich or Romney gets the nomination at a brokered convention.  But if it goes to Trump or Cruz I don't think even their kiss will be enough to stop Hillary. 

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And as for the Kasich-Cruz alliance, if Trump doesn't make a commercial with this song in the background, I will be disappoint

Sadly it seems they're already breaking up, and before I could think up a good shipping portmanteau name.  (Crasich?)

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/25/11503740/cruz-kasich-alliance
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on April 26, 2016, 01:00:29 am
Kasiruz?

I could almost hear a million lovesick Tumblr goers crying in sadness at their new OTP breaking up.

Quoth Tumblr;

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Kasich let his hand brush against Cruz's stalwart face, his wisened features betraying none of the joy he felt at this wondrous occasion. "I love you, Cruz."

"Its a sin I know, but I love you too, Kasich." Cruz embraced him, and the two Republicans hoped beyond hope their love would prevail against the very ghost of Hitler.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on April 26, 2016, 01:56:24 am
Wha?  How can anyship but Crump be your OTP?

The way the were always complementing each other at the start of the campaign, the have so much in common, but then that hussy John Kasich came along and stole Ted away.  But now that they're breaking up Donald can have his true love again.  It's Destiny I tell you, they deserve each other.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on April 26, 2016, 08:30:10 pm
The polls have closed and that backfired wish that Republicans made on a monkey's paw seems to have added Pennsylvania (71), Maryland (38), and Connecticut (28) to his resume, while leading in Rhode Island (19). So, it looks like the man who guarantees us that there isn't a problem with his penis is one step closer to clinching the nomination.

ETA: And the giant bag of candycorn swept today...
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 26, 2016, 09:46:46 pm
The polls have closed and that backfired wish that Republicans made on a monkey's paw seems to have added Pennsylvania (71), Maryland (38), and Connecticut (28) to his resume, while leading in Rhode Island (19). So, it looks like the man who guarantees us that there isn't a problem with his penis is one step closer to clinching the nomination.

ETA: And the giant bag of candycorn swept today...

I think it's misleading to say that Pennsylvania has 71 delegates in the context of "Trump won Pennsylvania," since 54 of its delegates (3 for each of 18 congressional districts) are elected directly and are not bound to any candidate--the ballot doesn't even list which candidate they support, if any. So Trump actually only gets 17 bound delegates from his Pennsylvania win.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on April 26, 2016, 09:54:23 pm
The polls have closed and that backfired wish that Republicans made on a monkey's paw seems to have added Pennsylvania (71), Maryland (38), and Connecticut (28) to his resume, while leading in Rhode Island (19). So, it looks like the man who guarantees us that there isn't a problem with his penis is one step closer to clinching the nomination.

ETA: And the giant bag of candycorn swept today...

I think it's misleading to say that Pennsylvania has 71 delegates in the context of "Trump won Pennsylvania," since 54 of its delegates (3 for each of 18 congressional districts) are elected directly and are not bound to any candidate--the ballot doesn't even list which candidate they support, if any. So Trump actually only gets 17 bound delegates from his Pennsylvania win.

I know that, I did that as a service to show the relative size (and importance) of the states.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 26, 2016, 09:58:43 pm
The polls have closed and that backfired wish that Republicans made on a monkey's paw seems to have added Pennsylvania (71), Maryland (38), and Connecticut (28) to his resume, while leading in Rhode Island (19). So, it looks like the man who guarantees us that there isn't a problem with his penis is one step closer to clinching the nomination.

ETA: And the giant bag of candycorn swept today...

I think it's misleading to say that Pennsylvania has 71 delegates in the context of "Trump won Pennsylvania," since 54 of its delegates (3 for each of 18 congressional districts) are elected directly and are not bound to any candidate--the ballot doesn't even list which candidate they support, if any. So Trump actually only gets 17 bound delegates from his Pennsylvania win.

I know that, I did that as a service to show the relative size (and importance) of the states.

Sure.

But you know that, and I know that, but I don't know if everyone here knows that.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on April 27, 2016, 01:57:23 pm
A certain candidate might have been the subject of one of my final exam essay questions. So, because of that I started the essay with "Let me tell you something folks [X candidate] is at it again, and this time he's violated the Fourth Amendment" and ended the essay with "And, if [X candidate] follows these guidelines, then he can make America great again."

ETA: It appears that Cruz is desperate, as he has named his VP choice before his eggs have hatched (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-cruz-idUSKCN0XO26H). Spoiler, it's Fiorina. For those who forgot, she has all the right-wing absurdity of a Sarah Palin type, but she speaks better. It's all lies, but she speaks well in debates. Not really sure how it helps Cruz other than to (1) present a business person opposite Trump and (2) highlight Trump's misogyny in the remaining states.

I really don't see why Fiorina would jump on board. She has nothing to gain with the party (or in general) by jumping on a sinking ship while the rats are hopping off.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on April 27, 2016, 03:16:12 pm
The same board from which I quoted earlier with that analysis of the 2016 Republican race... Anyway, it's got a fair number of Republicans, and plenty of them are expressing the same sentiments that Bernie or bust people are: either they won't vote, or they'll vote third party. (On their part, Gary Johnson, probably.)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Vypernight on April 28, 2016, 04:42:44 am
ETA: It appears that Cruz is desperate, as he has named his VP choice before his eggs have hatched (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-cruz-idUSKCN0XO26H). Spoiler, it's Fiorina. For those who forgot, she has all the right-wing absurdity of a Sarah Palin type, but she speaks better. It's all lies, but she speaks well in debates. Not really sure how it helps Cruz other than to (1) present a business person opposite Trump and (2) highlight Trump's misogyny in the remaining states.

I really don't see why Fiorina would jump on board. She has nothing to gain with the party (or in general) by jumping on a sinking ship while the rats are hopping off.

Maybe Cruz figures that if he loses, everyone will blame Fiorina and he can continue with his "momentum" for future elections.  It's not like the GOP actually details with reality so this could make perfect sense to him.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on April 28, 2016, 04:55:12 am
ETA: It appears that Cruz is desperate, as he has named his VP choice before his eggs have hatched (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-cruz-idUSKCN0XO26H). Spoiler, it's Fiorina. For those who forgot, she has all the right-wing absurdity of a Sarah Palin type, but she speaks better. It's all lies, but she speaks well in debates. Not really sure how it helps Cruz other than to (1) present a business person opposite Trump and (2) highlight Trump's misogyny in the remaining states.

I really don't see why Fiorina would jump on board. She has nothing to gain with the party (or in general) by jumping on a sinking ship while the rats are hopping off.

Maybe Cruz figures that if he loses, everyone will blame Fiorina and he can continue with his "momentum" for future elections.  It's not like the GOP actually details with reality so this could make perfect sense to him.

Still doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for Fiorina but she's whacko so who knows
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Dr. Weird on April 28, 2016, 06:43:45 pm

I really don't see why Fiorina would jump on board. She has nothing to gain with the party (or in general) by jumping on a sinking ship while the rats are hopping off.

She gets her name in the news for the first time since she dropped out.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 28, 2016, 08:32:40 pm

I really don't see why Fiorina would jump on board. She has nothing to gain with the party (or in general) by jumping on a sinking ship while the rats are hopping off.

She gets her name in the news for the first time since she dropped out.

Much like Palin, then.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on April 28, 2016, 09:11:54 pm
I guess Palin has parlayed that into a successful career as a speaker and a pundit.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Svata on April 28, 2016, 09:48:21 pm
*has been watching Monty Python bits all day* *was really confused there for a moment*
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on April 28, 2016, 10:03:56 pm
Well I think we can all agree that what US politics needs is more Michael Palin.

Edit: or perhaps its more sinister: http://www.theonion.com/article/run-run-and-never-look-back-whispers-heidi-cruz-wh-52834 (http://www.theonion.com/article/run-run-and-never-look-back-whispers-heidi-cruz-wh-52834)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Vinroke on May 03, 2016, 08:35:23 pm
Ted Cruz is dropping out, apparently (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/ted-cruz-drops-out-of-presidential-race-222763)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ironchew on May 03, 2016, 10:39:39 pm
Ted Cruz is dropping out, apparently (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/ted-cruz-drops-out-of-presidential-race-222763)

Good fucking riddance.

EDIT: Fiorina had the shortest VP run ever.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on May 03, 2016, 10:40:24 pm
But Kasich continues?

How many more delegates does Trump need to get the 1237?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 03, 2016, 10:40:54 pm
Ted Cruz is dropping out, apparently (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/ted-cruz-drops-out-of-presidential-race-222763)

(http://c.fastcompany.net/multisite_files/fastcompany/imagecache/inline-large/post/inline-image/tumblr_mxx24a7wMc1qa3pfso1_400.gif)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on May 03, 2016, 10:45:12 pm
But Kasich continues?

How many more delegates does Trump need to get the 1237?

According to 538, he has 957 at the moment, and he won 51 tonight (may win more). So, that puts him at 1008, making him 229 away from the magic number. But, with Cruz dropping out, it's a foregone conclusion that Trump will win the states from here on out, and hit that mark.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on May 03, 2016, 10:48:02 pm
How long is Kasich going to keep going for? Can't be a good use of his money.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on May 03, 2016, 10:50:37 pm
But Kasich continues?

How many more delegates does Trump need to get the 1237?

190 which won't be much of a problem.

It's sad, I was really hoping for a giant clusterfuck of a brokered convention that would finish off the republican party, c'est la vie.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on May 03, 2016, 10:54:10 pm
But Kasich continues?

How many more delegates does Trump need to get the 1237?

190 which won't be much of a problem.

It's sad, I was really hoping for a giant clusterfuck of a brokered convention that would finish off the republican party, c'est la vie.

Here's a scenario: the anti-Trump delegates change the rules at the last minute, eliminate delegate binding, and go to infinity billion ballots to choose a nominee.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on May 03, 2016, 11:00:11 pm
Fingers crossed

Let's hope so.  And let's hope the announcement is from some insider walking on stage drunk and scream "No we aren't voting for Hitler 2.0 just cause you voted for him.  Jeb Bush is the candidate because FUCK YOU!"
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on May 03, 2016, 11:07:37 pm
Fingers crossed

Let's hope so.  And let's hope the announcement is from some insider walking on stage drunk and scream "No we aren't voting for Hitler 2.0 just cause you voted for him.  Jeb Bush is the candidate because FUCK YOU!"

And then the general election is Clinton vs Bush and who says the US doesn't have an aristocracy?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: rookie on May 03, 2016, 11:33:44 pm
How long is Kasich going to keep going for? Can't be a good use of his money.
Till he's offered something like a cabinet position or something.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on May 03, 2016, 11:51:29 pm
...Wow. I was hoping that the Republicans would have dragged out this fight as long as possible because that would have torn the party apart.

But this actually is a smart more for them. If Trump loses then his fans can't blame GOP for any shenanigans and things will return to more or less normal. IF Trump wins... Well, USA will burn but at least there won't be a Democrat president.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on May 04, 2016, 12:09:11 am
Well, goodbye, Ambassador from Draco, your cold blooded grimace will not be missed.

The only question now is what Kasich plans on doing.

I mean, Trump pretty much has a straightforward march to the nomination, and Kasich gains absolutely nothing by continuing to be in the race. He'd need whole new states like Missichipisippi and Kentucksylvania to be created just so he could win!

...Colbert will have a hell of a time with this one.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on May 04, 2016, 12:28:02 am
*giggle* Garry Kasparov is disappointed at the GOP...

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And so the Republicans, the party of Abraham Lincoln, the party of Ronald Reagan, nominate a hateful, ignorant, reality show demagogue. RIP GOP.

Or as the Trump fans were quick to point out:

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Really? The Republican voters just took the party back. They had enough of the globalist neo-conservative movement.

I'm not sure which is more surprising: That Kasparov is a fan of Reagan or that Trump voters are fans of Kasparov?

EDIT:

The Daily show brought in their Doom and betrayal expert Nikolaj Coster-Waldau to talk about the elections in USA:
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/13173704_10154131986116800_7494045711320914075_n.jpg?oh=16c652105367e0baf45eea5edfaae5f5&oe=57ADD44B)

I would like to stop talking about these reactions to Trump being the candidate for GOP but even the Finnish YLE news agency literally, I am not exaggerating or joking, said that it's time to bring out the popcorn now. ...Meanwhile in one of the worst places on Earth:
 
https://warisboring.com/donald-trump-and-south-sudan-776393e08363#.4vql8oz4x
TL;DR version brought to you by a commenter:
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It's a surreal perspective to hear from someone living in a hellhole, constantly worried about the threat of being massacred by raiders, but really worried about the idea of Trump as president: "Sure my village could be massacred at any moment by lawless
gunmen, in a dysfunctional breakaway state, but what the hell are you thinking getting ready to elect Trump as president?"

USA: I want you to know that no matter how this election ends the rest of the world will forever remember you as the nation that seriously considered electing Donald Trump as the president.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Vinroke on May 04, 2016, 07:34:59 pm
And Kasich is out  (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/04/politics/john-kasich-drops-out/)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on May 04, 2016, 07:36:55 pm
Damn.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on May 04, 2016, 07:39:41 pm
The really sad thing is the contested convention would have been hilarious.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on May 04, 2016, 07:53:33 pm
Well, the only question now is what the people like Rubio and Cruz will do. Will they spite Donald Trump by refusing to send their delegates over, or will they send the delegates to him because they just despise Hillary Clinton that much?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on May 04, 2016, 08:44:09 pm
Well, the only question now is what the people like Rubio and Cruz will do. Will they spite Donald Trump by refusing to send their delegates over, or will they send the delegates to him because they just despise Hillary Clinton that much?

Non-issue. With them suspending their campaigns, and GOP primary rules favoring the states' winners, Trump will easily hit 1237.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on May 04, 2016, 09:41:51 pm
https://twitter.com/reince/status/727665447684820992

RNC chairman Reince Priebus:

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.@realDonaldTrump will be presumptive @GOP nominee, we all need to unite and focus on defeating @HillaryClinton #NeverClinton
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on May 04, 2016, 11:26:52 pm
This is satire but it is probably how Ted Cruz feels : http://thegoodlordabove.com/articles/details/242?utm_content=inf_11_2560_2&tse_id=INF_c5981d6883b644c9a449bec5ab1c9778 (http://thegoodlordabove.com/articles/details/242?utm_content=inf_11_2560_2&tse_id=INF_c5981d6883b644c9a449bec5ab1c9778)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on May 05, 2016, 12:26:21 am
^Thanks, that guys hilarious.

To bad he wasn't hired as a strategist by the NeverTrumpers, he figured out how they could have beaten Donald.

http://thegoodlordabove.com/articles/details/203

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Republican presidential candidate Marco Rubio showed up at a Trump rally in Texas today and punched Donald Trump in the face.

“Rubio walks in with his whole crew and said 'F-you, Trump,'” said James Hardy, a Trump supporter at the rally. “Then he jumped up on the stage and decked the Donald. Rubio's more athletic than he looks. I gained a lot of respect for him today, he's got my vote now.”

According to witnesses, Trump dropped to the ground and started crying. After punching Trump, Rubio then pushed Chris Christie over, who rolled into the crowd like a bowling ball. Nine Trump supporters were toppled like bowling pins and taken to the hospital with severe injuries. Rubio then grabbed the microphone.

“This rally is now mine, and all of you are voting for me now,” said Rubio, pausing to take a sip of water. “Look at Donald on the floor, crying like a little bitch. Who's the choke artist now, asshole?”

Rubio then kicked Trump in the testicles and Trump vomited. Since news of the attack, Rubio has skyrocketed in every poll in the nation and is now in first place.

“This is the kind of thing that Republicans respect,” said GOP pollster Frank Luntz. “It's a brilliant political move. I'm not sure why someone didn't just kick Trump's ass and call him a bitch before.”

Although having one of the most punchable faces in history, Ted Cruz has somehow thus far escaped this election cycle without getting punched in the face.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on May 05, 2016, 12:45:42 am
http://www.theonion.com/video/after-obama-victory-shrieking-white-hot-sphere-of--30284

Yep, The Onion called the Republican nominee for 2016 three and a half years ago.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on May 05, 2016, 12:50:18 am
http://www.theonion.com/video/after-obama-victory-shrieking-white-hot-sphere-of--30284

Yep, The Onion called the Republican nominee for 2016 three and a half years ago.

More depressingly, The Onion accurately predicted the 2001-2009 Bush presidency (http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-pros,464/).
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on May 05, 2016, 01:36:56 am
http://www.theonion.com/video/after-obama-victory-shrieking-white-hot-sphere-of--30284

Yep, The Onion called the Republican nominee for 2016 three and a half years ago.

More depressingly, The Onion accurately predicted the 2001-2009 Bush presidency (http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-pros,464/).

And John Oliver wondered why Jack Warner took The Onion's story about FIFA giving the US an emergency World Cup seriously, when they've gotten basically everything else right.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on May 05, 2016, 02:39:47 am
I have trouble believing that  was written before not after  his presidency. The only thing missing was 9/11
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on May 06, 2016, 03:24:47 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/11/donald-trump-calls-for-deportation-force-to-remove-undocumented-immigrants/

How did I never hear this information? Trump is literally calling for a Deportation Force to remove all 11 million of the illegal immigrants here.

I know, I've gotten a reputation for Godwin's Law, but this is utterly outstanding both in the way its never really been mentioned, and the sheer implications.

Is ICE gonna be the scary guys so involved?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on May 06, 2016, 09:12:27 am
Here's what results from doing that: in Georgia, the General Assembly pursued undocumented farm workers by addressing fines against the farm owners who hire them. Most of the undocumented simply went elsewhere to work - they are called migrant farm workers for a reason. So, the local farm owners desperately tried to hire US citizens to labor in their fields. They could barely get any one, most of those that did try it soon quit because it really is exhausting, dangerous work. Tens of millions of dollars in lost crop harvest and revenue later, the Georgia General Assembly rescinded the new law. This happened just a couple years ago. I'll look for the article I read back then about it and post them later. I have a boatload of hard work to do myself today for my condo association. I have to finish demo-ing the two restrooms in our pool lounge before the remodeling crew starts tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ironchew on May 06, 2016, 10:00:51 am
So, the local farm owners desperately tried to hire US citizens to labor in their fields. They could barely get any one, most of those that did try it soon quit because it really is exhausting, dangerous work.

I bet they didn't pay nearly enough for the work.

Employers can freely break the law paying their workers as little as they do because undocumented Americans are afraid of alerting the authorities and calling attention to themselves.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 06, 2016, 10:03:52 am
So, the local farm owners desperately tried to hire US citizens to labor in their fields. They could barely get any one, most of those that did try it soon quit because it really is exhausting, dangerous work.

I bet they didn't pay nearly enough for the work.

Employers can freely break the law paying their workers as little as they do because undocumented Americans are afraid of alerting the authorities and calling attention to themselves.

Exactly.  For all the scaremongering about them, illegal immigrants are more often victims than villains.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 06, 2016, 10:56:46 am
I have to say, as a foreigner, American agriculture is utterly fucked. It's not just that it's wage slavery in a 1st world country that's technically illegal but in reality rather blatantly encouraged by all levels of government, but also nearly universally celebrated by all but the most xenophobic of Americans. In a country notorious for having some of the most stubbornly divisive politics in the world, one of the few issues that both the left and right can agree on is that an industry reliant on illegal wage slaves is actually a good thing, and hiring citizens for decent pay, hours and working conditions instead is either "going to ruin us" or "racist", depending on which side you ask.

Honestly, when it comes to immigration, you lot are fucking weird.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on May 06, 2016, 11:14:54 am
I have to say, as a foreigner, American agriculture is utterly fucked. It's not just that it's wage slavery in a 1st world country that's technically illegal but in reality rather blatantly encouraged by all levels of government, but also nearly universally celebrated by all but the most xenophobic of Americans. In a country notorious for having some of the most stubbornly divisive politics in the world, one of the few issues that both the left and right can agree on is that an industry reliant on illegal wage slaves is actually a good thing, and hiring citizens for decent pay, hours and working conditions instead is either "going to ruin us" or "racist", depending on which side you ask.

Honestly, when it comes to immigration, you lot are fucking weird.
+1

The agriculture in USA isn't only business in world that everyone knows to be run illegally, without anyone doing anything to stop it, but it is rare and together with the immigration attitudes the hypocrisy is peculiar.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on May 06, 2016, 03:06:28 pm
There are easily as many if not more undocumented workers doing day labor in general construction, but especially for small to medium sized home building contractors. My cousin's niece's husband is a prime example of this exploitation. He owns a specialty maintenance company that does painting and rust remediation on water towers, radio and TV broadcast antennae, etc. Most of his work crew are immigrants from Central and South America, particularly Hondurans and Guatemalans. All of them are either still here on expired visas or straight up illegals who crossed via ship to Jacksonville (a major seaport)...where assholes like my cousin's nephew-in-law keep them scared of ICE, uninsured, off the books, and horrifically underpaid.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 06, 2016, 03:45:02 pm
There are easily as many if not more undocumented workers doing day labor in general construction, but especially for small to medium sized home building contractors. My cousin's niece's husband is a prime example of this exploitation. He owns a specialty maintenance company that does painting and rust remediation on water towers, radio and TV broadcast antennae, etc. Most of his work crew are immigrants from Central and South America, particularly Hondurans and Guatemalans. All of them are either still here on expired visas or straight up illegals who crossed via ship to Jacksonville (a major seaport)...where assholes like my cousin's nephew-in-law keep them scared of ICE, uninsured, off the books, and horrifically underpaid.

What's really scary is the fact that this is apparently still preferable to working conditions in Mexico.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 06, 2016, 07:08:26 pm
There are easily as many if not more undocumented workers doing day labor in general construction, but especially for small to medium sized home building contractors. My cousin's niece's husband is a prime example of this exploitation. He owns a specialty maintenance company that does painting and rust remediation on water towers, radio and TV broadcast antennae, etc. Most of his work crew are immigrants from Central and South America, particularly Hondurans and Guatemalans. All of them are either still here on expired visas or straight up illegals who crossed via ship to Jacksonville (a major seaport)...where assholes like my cousin's nephew-in-law keep them scared of ICE, uninsured, off the books, and horrifically underpaid.
True that. I should not have implied that this sort of thing is exclusive to agriculture.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on May 06, 2016, 10:35:42 pm
Just found this article, very pertinent and the details will require you to get some ice water handy in case your blood boils with rage. Shit like this happens everyday within a few miles of my home.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2015/1116/Trafficking-In-Florida-s-tomato-fields-a-fight-for-ethical-farm-labor-grows
 
(http://i.imgur.com/kwrJTn7.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 08, 2016, 06:17:50 pm
Looks like Trump's departed from some of his earlier positions:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/politics/donald-trump-taxes-wealthy/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/politics/donald-trump-taxes-wealthy/index.html)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on May 09, 2016, 03:41:52 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBGgFHdJOiI

Go to the end, about 1:20. Donald Trump claims to have violated a number of federal statutes, including the Equal Pay Act, the Fair Labor Standards Act, and last but not least, the every popular Title VII. And you can trust me, cause my law school gave me a labor and employment law award today, so I know my shit.

But I want this guy to stay around. I can't imagine what life will be like once he goes away. I can dig listening to this guy for 8 years. Definitely not as president, but it would be perfect if maybe he could run for 8 years. Hillary did.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on May 09, 2016, 05:27:35 pm
Trump is truly the candidate the GOP deserves. They spent years dogwhistling the most racist parts of their base, and once those people found out they were had, they turned to the loudmouth demagogue with nice promises for them, who also hates as they hate.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on May 09, 2016, 07:10:09 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBGgFHdJOiI

Go to the end, about 1:20. Donald Trump claims to have violated a number of federal statutes, including the Equal Pay Act, the Fair Labor Standards Act, and last but not least, the every popular Title VII. And you can trust me, cause my law school gave me a labor and employment law award today, so I know my shit.

But I want this guy to stay around. I can't imagine what life will be like once he goes away. I can dig listening to this guy for 8 years. Definitely not as president, but it would be perfect if maybe he could run for 8 years. Hillary did.

He's just so charming. You know if only Jeb Bush had decked him in the first debate. I don't mean  metaphorically I mean bang him straight in the mouth, throw him to the ground and pull his shoes off and throw them into the crowd. Trump's popularity would have plummeted.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on May 10, 2016, 11:54:25 pm
Although Trump has the GOP nomination locked up, he has still managed to select a White Nationalist as a delegate in California. This guy has been doing Robocalls for Trump identifying himself as a white nationalist.

Mother jones article here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/donald-trump-white-nationalist-afp-delegate-california (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/donald-trump-white-nationalist-afp-delegate-california)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on May 11, 2016, 12:08:37 am
He has to wink at all the racists and xenophobes to assure them he's still really one of them while he tones down that rhetoric for the general.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on May 11, 2016, 12:33:12 am
He's barely toned down the rhetoric though. Now I can speak my mind because of Donald Trump
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: SCarpelan on May 13, 2016, 04:33:05 pm
Because Drumpf can't be mocked too much.

https://twitter.com/dungeonsdonald
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on May 13, 2016, 07:18:06 pm
That is my new favorite thing! XD
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on May 13, 2016, 07:28:30 pm
That... is amazing.

EDIT: So amazing that that image of Trump is now my avatar.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 13, 2016, 07:34:23 pm
So he really is a "wandering monster" it falls into place.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on May 14, 2016, 01:25:02 am
Which politician would you like to be the GM in an RPG campaign?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on May 14, 2016, 01:38:09 am
Which politician would you like to be the GM in an RPG campaign?

Cheaty answer (since he wasn't really a politician in my opinion): Peter Milliken (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Milliken), one of the best Speakers of any Westminster Parliament ever.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 14, 2016, 09:53:05 am
Which politician would you like to be the GM in an RPG campaign?

Kinda generic, but Obama.  He just seems like a cool guy to hang out with in general.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 15, 2016, 01:21:38 am
Guess who's leading the latest "Stop Trump" group (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/05/14/Mitt-Romney-leading-stop-Trump-group-seeking-to-draft-third-candidate/7651463252161/)?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on May 15, 2016, 03:01:56 am
I think there's something else motivating Romney's campaign.

Hm, let me think on it. I know, I'll check my dinner table.

Okay...salt...
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ironchew on May 15, 2016, 01:44:09 pm
Guess who's leading the latest "Stop Trump" group?

People who will eventually vote for Trump in November? It's cute to see Republicans feign indignation, but you can always count on them to fall in line for the general election.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on May 16, 2016, 12:32:44 am
Just like how all the Bernie or Busters will show up to vote for Hillary?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on May 16, 2016, 01:01:00 am
Just like how all the Bernie or Busters will show up to vote for Hillary?
Different party, different culture. Democrats can't even control the congress when they have the majority because enough of them will disagree with the majority and side with the Republicans to bog things down. Meanwhile the Republicans can keep their gang in order even when they are doing something incredibly stupid like shutting down the government and pretending that it is Obama's fault.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on May 16, 2016, 01:04:57 am
Just like how all the Bernie or Busters will show up to vote for Hillary?
Different party, different culture. Democrats can't even control the congress when they have the majority because enough of them will disagree with the majority and side with the Republicans to bog things down. Meanwhile the Republicans can keep their gang in order even when they are doing something incredibly stupid like shutting down the government and pretending that it is Obama's fault.

Unless they want to do immigration reform.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: SCarpelan on May 16, 2016, 01:49:37 am
There are signs that Trump might be divisive enough to fracture even the Republican voters and that would also be good for the Democratic downticket candidates.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Souriquois on May 16, 2016, 11:02:36 am
I am still flabbergasted, that people would vote for Trump
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on May 17, 2016, 03:16:10 pm
Because I've seen a lot of jokes about Trump on Facebook it suggested that I should start following him on FB...

Purely out of curiosity I went to check what kind of stuff he posts about...

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Amazing that Crooked Hillary can do a hit ad on me concerning women when her husband was the WORST abuser of women in U.S. political history!

That was the first thing I saw. In fact it's the only thing I read from his feed. And I know that I should be outraged at how factually incorrect that statement is but I am mainly concerned with this question: Did Trump really write that himself or does he have employees doing the FB posts for him?

Because a lot of celebrities and politicians seem to have a PR team handling that kind of stuff but this really looks like a basic Trumpism and either he has a really good team that can imitate him well or he really does spend his days tweeting and Facebooking about his campaign stuff.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on May 20, 2016, 12:41:42 pm
So one of Trump's delegates has been indicted of child porn, illegally owning a machine gun and illegally sending explosives through the mail.

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/19/11715796/donald-trump-delegate-child-pornography-indicted

He sure knows how to pick em.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: SCarpelan on May 20, 2016, 07:21:20 pm
A bunch of Republicans including political strategists and some fellow called Mitt Romney are apparently trying to start a last-minute third-party presidential campaign (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-gop-effort-to-draft-an-independent-candidate-to-derail-trump/2016/05/14/1b04682e-1877-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html). Their goal isn't to provide a realistic challenge for presidency but only to act as a spoiler for the future Trump bid. They are just having difficulties in finding an actual candidate since Mitt himself isn't apparently interested in this kind of role. Watching the Republicans rip themselves apart to avoid an even worse fate is glorious.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Souriquois on May 20, 2016, 07:31:42 pm
A bunch of Republicans including political strategists and some fellow called Mitt Romney are apparently trying to start a last-minute third-party presidential campaign (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-gop-effort-to-draft-an-independent-candidate-to-derail-trump/2016/05/14/1b04682e-1877-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html). Their goal isn't to provide a realistic challenge for presidency but only to act as a spoiler for the future Trump bid. They are just having difficulties in finding an actual candidate since Mitt himself isn't apparently interested in this kind of role. Watching the Republicans rip themselves apart to avoid an even worse fate is glorious.

The schadenfreude must be great for Americans
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on May 21, 2016, 03:26:22 am
Either potentially win the Presidency but become the Party of Neo-Nazis, Fascists and Abject Insanity, or deny the fascists their run of things and forestall the self evisceration of the GOP another four years.

Trump is not just going to go away if he loses, and the effect he brought, of bringing the GOP's base behind him, will not go away either.

What's going on now is both rather frightening and extremely intriguing.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on May 21, 2016, 03:37:47 am
Someone claimed that whatshisname the previous GOP candidate ...Romney! That's the guy... Anyway, he is trying to organize a third party candidate to oppose Trump. He himself won't be running but they are trying to find a patsy for the job. Not sure if this claim has any truth but I could see this hurting GOP even more than letting Trump win.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 21, 2016, 10:26:06 am
Trump's been alienating suburban white women:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/swing-state-suburbs-white-women-skeptical-trump-114419486--election.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/swing-state-suburbs-white-women-skeptical-trump-114419486--election.html)

Good to see there's a demographic that's generally against him.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on May 30, 2016, 02:57:18 am
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/dilbert-creator-crazy-clown-trump-has-fooled-voters-into-thinking-hes-qualified-to-be-president/

Scott Adams is an interesting fellow and this theory, although weird, is not terribly in-plausible. (Even if you do not believe in the power of suggestion, having Trump attempt to use such things would not be the weirdest thing he has done so far.)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on May 30, 2016, 03:42:04 am
I hadn't really head about his political stance anywhere and the wikipedia summary was ...Interesting.

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Adams has often commented on political matters. Despite this, in 2016 he wrote on his blog "I don’t vote and I am not a member of a political party."[19] In 2007, he suggested that Michael Bloomberg would make a good presidential candidate.[20] Before the 2008 presidential election he said, "On social issues, I lean Libertarian, minus the crazy stuff",[21] but said in December 2011 that, if he were president, he would do whatever Bill Clinton advised him to do because that "would lead to policies that are a sensible middle ground".[22] On October 17, 2012, he wrote "while I don't agree with Romney's positions on most topics, I'm endorsing him for president".[23]

In 2015, he stated that he would not endorse a candidate for the 2016 elections, but he has been offering praise for Donald Trump's persuasion skills, especially on his blog. Adams has predicted that Trump will win both the Republican nomination and the general election in a huge landslide.[24] After Trump lost to Senator Ted Cruz in the Iowa caucus, rather than achieving a landslide victory as Adams had forecasted, Adams said that he suspected election fraud was committed and suggested that the caucus results were fixed by Republican Party elites.[25][26][27] Part of Adams' views on the Trump campaign stem from his background in hypnosis.

"Libertarian without all the crazy-stuff." So at least he admits that a lot of the Libertarian stuff is crazy.

Anyway, this does give me the impression that he does not necessarily support Trump's politics, he just thinks that the guy is good at suggestion and therefore the most likely to win as he is better at controlling people than the others.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on May 30, 2016, 03:52:24 am
He's also an giant MRA http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/21/scott-adams-we-live-in-a-matriarchy-because-men-have-to-get-permission-for-sex/

Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 31, 2016, 05:57:03 pm
Huh? Wasn't Scott a weird alt-right-in-spirit type?

I'm never sure what counts as alt-right but I think he's much closer to right-libertarianism, which is not really 'alt'.

He does admittedly have the MRA thing (I don't think he considers himself an MRA, but he's somewhere in that general area).
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on May 31, 2016, 06:22:35 pm
Trump has decided to reveal his contempt for the media in a press conference: http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/31/media/donald-trump-reporter-sleaze/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/31/media/donald-trump-reporter-sleaze/index.html)

It's bizarre because I think the media has been incredibly soft on Trump. Giving him free coverage and failing to address or call him on many of his blatant lies. This latest seems to be his outrage at people actually investigating whether he had donated $1 million to Veterans' Groups that he said he had. It turns out he has. At least now he has, having made the donation about a week ago. Four months after he claimed to have raised the money. However the questions from the media appeared to have prompted the attack.

Here's a quote from the article:

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Trump's objective here is clear, several campaign strategists and political reporters observed: To discredit the people who call attention to his lies, his contradictions, his lack of transparency and the less seemly aspects of his history.

"Why attack media?" asked Michael Barbaro of The New York Times. "So you can keep saying they are 'discredited' when tough stories come out. It's deliberate attempt at inoculation.

He has also attacked the judge who authorised the release of his Trump university records as an 'unfair' judge.

Glad to see Trump believes in the constitution and the first amendment.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 01, 2016, 03:25:00 am
Somebody get him a safe space!

This is what fucking blows my mind about Trump, sure I'll bitch about liberals getting sensitive about stuff every once in a while (also I'm a massive asshole, so maybe there is some overlap there) but you KNOW the Trump crowd really love to shit on the PC liberals, and their guy is just a fucking bundle of triggers. Fucking amazing.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on June 01, 2016, 04:40:30 pm
So, there's an article about Hillary Clinton and how Obamacare is causing problems for Clinton's campaign. The prices are going up and more people in USA dislike the law than like it. Clinton still defends the law and although she admits that there are problems she says that it is more beneficial than harmful and she also names several methods that she believes will help improve Obamacare and healthcare in USA in general.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/281579-hillarys-obamacare-problem

Trump links the article and offers his solution:
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I will immediately repeal ObamaCare!

That's it. Nothing more on what he would replace it with, just a simple 5 word sentence that his voters can remember even if it would cause more problems to them...

Classic Trump.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 03, 2016, 11:29:53 am
https://gma.yahoo.com/violence-breaks-trump-rally-san-jose-protesters-hurl-080013938--abc-news-topstories.html# (https://gma.yahoo.com/violence-breaks-trump-rally-san-jose-protesters-hurl-080013938--abc-news-topstories.html#)

Great plan.  Make the lunatic even more likely to get elected.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: mellenORL on June 03, 2016, 01:49:35 pm
I'm surprised there has not been protest violence like this all along. What he has said about Latinos and Muslims and women and blacks and etc. has infuriated a great swath of the population. Really, I think this was a case of the PD not preparing enough and following the lead of other events where the PD's kept the opposing supporters very, very far away from each other, like all the way on the opposite-sides-of-the-arena far away.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: SCarpelan on June 03, 2016, 03:29:27 pm
Yeah. When you stoke hate you provoke not only those who agree with you but also those who oppose you. An angry crowd is a scary thing no matter what their political leaning is.

That said, more Drunk Trump:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Ziar9peO0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvfYpLroHls
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Id82 on June 03, 2016, 07:19:36 pm
I'm surprised there has not been protest violence like this all along. What he has said about Latinos and Muslims and women and blacks and etc. has infuriated a great swath of the population. Really, I think this was a case of the PD not preparing enough and following the lead of other events where the PD's kept the opposing supporters very, very far away from each other, like all the way on the opposite-sides-of-the-arena far away.

Yup and conservatives will point at protesters and say look how violent they are. Look how crazy they are, and pay no attention to the fact that Donald Trump's messages are what's pissing them off.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ironchew on June 03, 2016, 07:56:21 pm
I'm surprised there has not been protest violence like this all along. What he has said about Latinos and Muslims and women and blacks and etc. has infuriated a great swath of the population. Really, I think this was a case of the PD not preparing enough and following the lead of other events where the PD's kept the opposing supporters very, very far away from each other, like all the way on the opposite-sides-of-the-arena far away.

Yup and conservatives will point at protesters and say look how violent they are. Look how crazy they are, and pay no attention to the fact that Donald Trump's messages are what's pissing them off.

Hell, we'll be getting enough of that here on FQA.

"Now see here, there are LIEberals who are just as violent..."
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 03, 2016, 08:13:45 pm
I'm surprised there has not been protest violence like this all along. What he has said about Latinos and Muslims and women and blacks and etc. has infuriated a great swath of the population. Really, I think this was a case of the PD not preparing enough and following the lead of other events where the PD's kept the opposing supporters very, very far away from each other, like all the way on the opposite-sides-of-the-arena far away.

Yup and conservatives will point at protesters and say look how violent they are. Look how crazy they are, and pay no attention to the fact that Donald Trump's messages are what's pissing them off.

I'm sorry, are you saying they were justified?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on June 03, 2016, 08:19:05 pm
Yup and conservatives will point at protesters and say look how violent they are. Look how crazy they are, and pay no attention to the fact that Donald Trump's messages are what's pissing them off.

I'm sorry, are you saying they were justified?

No one said that. However, the fact that the protests was violent does not excuse or justify Trump's xenophobia and racism. Oh, I forgot, you're the one who harks on the evils of LIEberalism.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 03, 2016, 08:23:41 pm
Yup and conservatives will point at protesters and say look how violent they are. Look how crazy they are, and pay no attention to the fact that Donald Trump's messages are what's pissing them off.

I'm sorry, are you saying they were justified?

No one said that. However, the fact that the protests was violent does not excuse or justify Trump's xenophobia and racism. Oh, I forgot, you're the one who harks on the evils of LIEberalism.

If they didn't, then they strongly implied it.  As for the violence not justifying Trump's views, that much is obvious.

And are you still on about that?  Seriously, that was aimed at one person who used "liberal" as part of their name.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Eiki-mun on June 03, 2016, 08:47:16 pm

I'm sorry, are you saying they were justified?

For the sake of a good argument, sure. Why not. For I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and that moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. Donald Trump represents a real and concrete threat to the well-being of these people. Who among us would not react if our well-being, our daily life was threatened? Who among us would not stand up, say 'no more', and even resort to violence if that's what it takes to get people to listen?

Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 03, 2016, 09:27:50 pm
I mean, its not like there were a group of men who did that sort of thing round about 250 years ago, one of 'em crossing the Delaware and stuff.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 03, 2016, 09:53:54 pm

I'm sorry, are you saying they were justified?

For the sake of a good argument, sure. Why not. For I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and that moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. Donald Trump represents a real and concrete threat to the well-being of these people. Who among us would not react if our well-being, our daily life was threatened? Who among us would not stand up, say 'no more', and even resort to violence if that's what it takes to get people to listen?

As of yet, Trump has taken no concrete action against either Mexicans or Muslims, for the simple reason that he is unable to do so with any kind of effectiveness.  Is a preemptive strike against somebody who has done nothing except make abhorrent statements justified or practical?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on June 03, 2016, 10:02:45 pm

I'm sorry, are you saying they were justified?

For the sake of a good argument, sure. Why not. For I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and that moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. Donald Trump represents a real and concrete threat to the well-being of these people. Who among us would not react if our well-being, our daily life was threatened? Who among us would not stand up, say 'no more', and even resort to violence if that's what it takes to get people to listen?

As of yet, Trump has taken no concrete action against either Mexicans or Muslims, for the simple reason that he is unable to do so with any kind of effectiveness.  Is a preemptive strike against somebody who has done nothing except make abhorrent statements justified or practical?

/me grabs popcorn

Dis gun b gud.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 03, 2016, 10:25:11 pm

I'm sorry, are you saying they were justified?

For the sake of a good argument, sure. Why not. For I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and that moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. Donald Trump represents a real and concrete threat to the well-being of these people. Who among us would not react if our well-being, our daily life was threatened? Who among us would not stand up, say 'no more', and even resort to violence if that's what it takes to get people to listen?

As of yet, Trump has taken no concrete action against either Mexicans or Muslims, for the simple reason that he is unable to do so with any kind of effectiveness.  Is a preemptive strike against somebody who has done nothing except make abhorrent statements justified or practical?

You know he's not actually president yet, right?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 03, 2016, 10:32:52 pm

I'm sorry, are you saying they were justified?

For the sake of a good argument, sure. Why not. For I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and that moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue. Donald Trump represents a real and concrete threat to the well-being of these people. Who among us would not react if our well-being, our daily life was threatened? Who among us would not stand up, say 'no more', and even resort to violence if that's what it takes to get people to listen?

As of yet, Trump has taken no concrete action against either Mexicans or Muslims, for the simple reason that he is unable to do so with any kind of effectiveness.  Is a preemptive strike against somebody who has done nothing except make abhorrent statements justified or practical?

You know he's not actually president yet, right?

Of course.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Eiki-mun on June 03, 2016, 11:18:18 pm
As of yet, Trump has taken no concrete action against either Mexicans or Muslims, for the simple reason that he is unable to do so with any kind of effectiveness.  Is a preemptive strike against somebody who has done nothing except make abhorrent statements justified or practical?

Yes. It is better to defeat your enemy before they can inflict damage, than to wait until the damage has already been done to attack. In addition, it is a far easier objective to try to prevent him from becoming president than to try to stop anything he does once he is already president. The common people cannot influence Capitol Hill, nor can they storm the White House. Now is the time to attack Trump.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 03, 2016, 11:56:36 pm
As of yet, Trump has taken no concrete action against either Mexicans or Muslims, for the simple reason that he is unable to do so with any kind of effectiveness.  Is a preemptive strike against somebody who has done nothing except make abhorrent statements justified or practical?

Yes. It is better to defeat your enemy before they can inflict damage, than to wait until the damage has already been done to attack. In addition, it is a far easier objective to try to prevent him from becoming president than to try to stop anything he does once he is already president. The common people cannot influence Capitol Hill, nor can they storm the White House. Now is the time to attack Trump.

I'm not a fan of Donald Trump, but if you go to his rallies and assault his supporters, you are part of the problem.  Simple as that.  Not only does this just make him more popular, but more important, it violates his supporters' basic human rights to freedom of speech, assembly, and association.  You want to stop Trump?  That's fine, so do I.  But there are far, far better ways of doing so.  Find a method that doesn't hurt innocent people or make it look like he has a point.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Eiki-mun on June 04, 2016, 12:54:15 am
As of yet, Trump has taken no concrete action against either Mexicans or Muslims, for the simple reason that he is unable to do so with any kind of effectiveness.  Is a preemptive strike against somebody who has done nothing except make abhorrent statements justified or practical?

Yes. It is better to defeat your enemy before they can inflict damage, than to wait until the damage has already been done to attack. In addition, it is a far easier objective to try to prevent him from becoming president than to try to stop anything he does once he is already president. The common people cannot influence Capitol Hill, nor can they storm the White House. Now is the time to attack Trump.

I'm not a fan of Donald Trump, but if you go to his rallies and assault his supporters, you are part of the problem.  Simple as that.  Not only does this just make him more popular, but more important, it violates his supporters' basic human rights to freedom of speech, assembly, and association.  You want to stop Trump?  That's fine, so do I.  But there are far, far better ways of doing so.  Find a method that doesn't hurt innocent people or make it look like he has a point.

I kinda ran out of talking points. Doesn't help that I don't actually believe any of this anyway. But hey! I tried. Gonna have to concede here.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on June 04, 2016, 12:57:38 am
Yes. It is better to defeat your enemy before they can inflict damage, than to wait until the damage has already been done to attack.

George W Bush said before he invaded Iraq.

EDIT: Oops, missed the part where you said you were joking.

Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Id82 on June 04, 2016, 01:13:55 am
I don't support violence. But I understand why it happens. People are getting pissed off. I didn't agree with the riots that took place a couple years ago in Ferguson. But that wasn't my battle or my issue, I can see why they happened. I feel there are better ways to deal with problems, but when talking doesn't work violence happens. What pisses me off is the media especially the conservative media will look at the violence as if it's some sort of unexplained phenomenon that's happening. And instead of looking at the what caused the people to riot in the first place, it's always liberals are so unhinged, liberals are crazy, mexicans are violent, black people are violent thugs. It seems to be a conservative pattern to try to tackle an issue at the soil instead of getting to the root of the problem.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on June 04, 2016, 02:38:19 am
This is what these elections are doing to people:
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13336005_10101315605687525_495156951869901042_n.jpg?oh=05276366c5e81074834816df9600f639&oe=57DF274F)

And honestly, it's not an unreasonable interpretation so I completely understand why she had trouble with that phrase.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on June 07, 2016, 11:20:16 pm
Early results from California show that Jim Gilmore has 36 votes. Could this be the start of some late breaking Gilmorementum?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on June 09, 2016, 09:42:51 pm
Healy Baumgardner, Trump's Senior Press Representative, is hilarious. She is funnier than the SNL send up of her could be. Plus I'm pretty sure she's wearing the glasses to appear clever as this is the only video of her I've seen with her wearing them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HMOitcJtLQ
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on June 10, 2016, 02:19:25 am
Just in case there's anyone reading this of the "vote for Trump to stick it to the dems for not choosing Bernie" type reading this, here are a pair of articles to remind you just how high the stakes are with a Trump Presidency:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/03/opinion/the-id-that-ate-the-planet.html?_r=0

Quote
No doubt Donald Trump hates environmental protection in part for the usual reasons. But there’s an extra layer of venom to his pro-pollution stances that is both personal and mind-bogglingly petty.

For example, he has repeatedly denounced restrictions intended to protect the ozone layer — one of the great success stories of global environmental policy — because, he claims, they’re the reason his hair spray doesn’t work as well as it used to. I am not making this up.

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/7/11872834/donald-trump-norms
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 10, 2016, 08:38:10 am
Early results from California show that Jim Gilmore has 36 votes. Could this be the start of some late breaking Gilmorementum?

#ImWithGill

EDIT: Finally I can post again, several days in a row my posts would constantly time out. Did I get banned or something? whatever I did, I promise to be a good boy this time.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: The_Queen on June 10, 2016, 04:27:21 pm
Early results from California show that Jim Gilmore has 36 votes. Could this be the start of some late breaking Gilmorementum?

#ImWithGill

EDIT: Finally I can post again, several days in a row my posts would constantly time out. Did I get banned or something? whatever I did, I promise to be a good boy this time.

You were banned. Truth is, nobody likes the Winnipeg Jets. Only good thing to come out of Winnipeg is Chris Jericho.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on June 10, 2016, 04:34:54 pm
Early results from California show that Jim Gilmore has 36 votes. Could this be the start of some late breaking Gilmorementum?

#ImWithGill

EDIT: Finally I can post again, several days in a row my posts would constantly time out. Did I get banned or something? whatever I did, I promise to be a good boy this time.

You were banned. Truth is, nobody likes the Winnipeg Jets. Only good thing to come out of Winnipeg is Chris Jericho.

And their cream cheese.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 10, 2016, 04:36:56 pm
We'll totally win the Stanley Cup next season

*sobbing intensifies*

EDIT: GOP senator prays for Obamas death. perhaps not the smartest move. (https://boingboing.net/2016/06/10/gop-senator-david-perdue-leads.html)
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on June 10, 2016, 05:43:46 pm
Not just Obama.  His wife and children were also part of that.

Ironbite-cause you know...FUNSIES!
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Canadian Mojo on June 10, 2016, 06:31:57 pm
"You know I didn't really believe that it would happen when I was praying"

"So you don't believe in Christ..."

 ;D
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on June 11, 2016, 12:24:17 am
I think you'll find that was the media's fault. Kind of like Trump attempting to pressure a federal judge is in fact the media's fault. Forget the racism (which is bad but hardly fucking news) he's trying to interfere with a continuing case by bringing the court into disrepute. I'm surprised it's not a contempt of court.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 12, 2016, 11:03:52 am
Trump isn't winning enough white voters (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-isnt-winning-enough-white-voters/)

Can the Trump Train finally be derailed? or is this another incorrect Trump prediction from fivethirtyeight, and the strength of his memes and racism too strong to overcome?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on June 12, 2016, 11:22:20 am
Someone has already claimed that today's mass murder is going to win the elections for Trump. "Everyone at the club was a Shillary voter and the survivors are going to vote for Trump."
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Id82 on June 12, 2016, 11:40:10 am
I think Trump being so disliked by women, hispanics, african American, lgbtq and arabic populations as a whole is really going to make it hard for him to win. He isnt even really liked by his own party. When the bushes, lindsey Graham, Mitt Romney and some others call him a joke, it shows how fractured the Republican party is becoming.
I think trump will do well with whites over 40, but I don't see the youth voting for him.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: ironbite on June 12, 2016, 03:34:37 pm
Someone has already claimed that today's mass murder is going to win the elections for Trump. "Everyone at the club was a Shillary voter and the survivors are going to vote for Trump."

That person is an idiot.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 12, 2016, 09:37:30 pm
Someone has already claimed that today's mass murder is going to win the elections for Trump. "Everyone at the club was a Shillary voter and the survivors are going to vote for Trump."
Sure, 50 or so Hillary voters dead and, let's say another 50 or converted to Trump. Yeah, that's totally going to change the course of the election.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on June 13, 2016, 05:37:55 am
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36514324?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

...Looks like Trump is able to benefit from this massacre.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on June 13, 2016, 09:31:52 pm
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-chris-christie-manservant-mcdonalds

Okay Christie is a corrupt asshole by all accounts, but I can't help but feel bad for him to be reduced to this.

Then I remember he could always have refused to support Trump in the first place and stop.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: niam2023 on June 14, 2016, 12:20:21 am
Recall that Chris Christie used to be a tough guy type.

Whatever Trump is doing to him, it'd probably make the Red Skull himself go "Nice work!"
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: rookie on June 15, 2016, 01:08:32 am
There's something about Trump that's been bothering me for a while now and I think I figured it out. Trump did good in business a few times, this is true. But he's also failed spectacularly as well. Bankrupt casinos come to mind, as well as losing a metric ton of money in real estate. Christ, he was so 80's. Such machismo much brashness, we're going to make money, dammit, and nobody is going to stop me! And he kept that up far too long. I don't trust the man to shape economic policy for where I live.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: davedan on June 15, 2016, 07:44:43 pm
Apparently hackers have unearthed the DNC's file on Trump, Mother Jones has published it here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/hackers-just-released-what-appears-be-dncs-trump-opposition-research-file (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/hackers-just-released-what-appears-be-dncs-trump-opposition-research-file)

Having read through a bit I'm surprised the DNC didn't release it. It's not as if they don't want this stuff out there.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on June 15, 2016, 10:12:02 pm
Apparently hackers have unearthed the DNC's file on Trump, Mother Jones has published it here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/hackers-just-released-what-appears-be-dncs-trump-opposition-research-file (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/hackers-just-released-what-appears-be-dncs-trump-opposition-research-file)

Having read through a bit I'm surprised the DNC didn't release it. It's not as if they don't want this stuff out there.

They want it out there, but they want to put it out piece by piece at times when it'll do the most damage. Having it all come out at once allows him to shrug off future attacks based on it as "old news, we're past that, we've gotten over that, it's sad that Crooked Hillary's still attacking me about this, she's not going to win, we're going to be winning."
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 17, 2016, 09:54:13 pm
This thing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on June 20, 2016, 04:21:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWs3eh5u7Ic
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on June 21, 2016, 02:09:38 am
Did you guys know that someone tried to assassinate Trump?

Quote

Court documents revealed he told authorities he wanted to kill Trump for more than a year, but had only worked up the nerve to do so at the weekend.  If he failed, he had planned another assassination attempt at a rally in Phoenix, for which he had already booked tickets.

Sandford told police he had never fired a gun before but went to a Las Vegas shooting range on June 17 to learn how.

He acknowledged he would only be able to get one or two shots off before being shot himself by security, and had accepted his own death. 

Sandford told police he’d been living in the US for a year and a half, but was unemployed and living out of a car.

Authorities said he was in the country illegally.

Sandford’s lawyer said his client had autism and had previously attempted suicide.

Kid sounds like he was a mess. He was foiled by the simple fact that he didn't bring his own gun (perhaps he couldn't afford one or didn't know how to smuggle one in) and he didn't know how holsters work... If you see a police officer with a gun on his belt and think that you could just snatch it off and start shooting then you should be know that people have been aware of this idea for decades and new holsters are designed to prevent it. You have to pull the gun out in the exact right way or it will just stick in the holster.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on June 21, 2016, 02:32:53 am
A bomb? Like some filthy Catholic? Well LAa dih Daa! Look at the Guy Fawkes here who wants to kill his enemies with a bomb rather than shooting them and looking them in the eye while doing so.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 21, 2016, 11:41:51 am
Wonder how many people will claim this somehow validates Trump.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Skybison on June 24, 2016, 02:56:14 am
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/what-we-know-about-newest-rape-allegations-against-donald-trump

So there's now someone claiming Trump raped her at the age of 13.

I don't know of the case is true, but I'm inclined to believe it, because well it's Trump.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Id82 on June 24, 2016, 04:28:56 am
Trump is many things. But I don't think he's a rapist.
If he is though, the media will try and portray Donald as the victim.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on June 30, 2016, 06:40:54 pm
http://www.campaignlegalcenter.org/news/press-releases/donald-trump-illegally-soliciting-money-foreign-nationals-fund-his-presidential

Trump has been soliciting donations from foreign sources.

Quote
Donald J. Trump's presidential campaign committee is violating black-letter federal law by sending campaign fundraising emails to foreign nationals - including foreign politicians - in at least Iceland, Scotland, Australia and England.

...

Donald Trump should have known better," said Paul S. Ryan, CLC deputy executive director. "It is a no-brainer that it violates the law to send fundraising emails to members of a foreign government on their official foreign government email accounts, and yet, that's exactly what Trump has done repeatedly. The FEC's forum last week highlighted how foreign corporate money could infiltrate U.S. elections, but Trump's fundraising antics show that the FEC must also monitor candidates directly soliciting foreign money.
 
"If the FEC fails to take action on our complaint, it could send a message that Trump and other candidates have the greenlight to fundraise overseas,” Ryan added.
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: Askold on July 02, 2016, 01:07:00 am
Does this mean that Trump is disqualified and the Democratic nominee wins by default? Or is there any punishment for violating the rules/laws/regulations like this?
Title: Re: 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries
Post by: dpareja on July 02, 2016, 01:23:01 am
Does this mean that Trump is disqualified and the Democratic nominee wins by default? Or is there any punishment for violating the rules/laws/regulations like this?

My guess is that it would just be a big fine (and unlike with Clinton, the Republican appointees on the FEC board might decide they hate Trump enough to actually issue a penalty).

But even if Trump were disqualified (at this point), it's likely the Republican Convention rules committee would make his delegates unbound, and then who knows where the nomination goes. Cruz, probably, unless there's a big behind-the-scenes push to give it to Rubio or Bush.

If Trump were declared ineligible after the convention, I don't know how that would affect things. Possibly he would still appear on the ballots and his running mate would be sworn in as President, and then choose a new Vice-President pursuant to the Twenty-Fifth Amendment. Or perhaps his ticket would be taken off entirely in some states, which would probably lead candidates like Gov. Johnson and Dr. Stein to make big pushes for people who would have voted for him there.