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Was Noah a traitor to humanity? Should he have told God where to shove his ark?

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Gnostic Christian:
Was Noah a traitor to humanity? Should he have told God where to shove his ark?

Gnostic Christians like to reverse the usual verdicts that the bible shows as justice. We do this just for the sake of verification and agreement with what is posited as a good moral position, which is supposed to translate to ethical actions by believers. That is how we prove math and is a great way to prove the worthiness of the issues in the scriptures.

We do this because the bible says we should and we, as free thinkers and not sheeple, follow that bit of wisdom.   

I was sitting there the other day and wondered what I would do if I was Noah. It is all a much of course, as shown by the doublets, but regardless, it has lessons to teach.

Yahweh is set on a genocide of biblical proportions, fictions, and is asking me, and you, should you want to see what a believer thinks.

What would you do in this story? Can you somehow make Yahweh look good enough to adore as god?

I, in my Noah personae, after chatting with Yahweh, decided that the right thing to do was tell Yahweh to find another traitor to humanity.

I would change much in this world if I could. A Gnostic world is so much more peaceful and just. Bahhh. But given the power to be a new Adam would be sacrilegious. I would be assuming that there was a defect in the first Adam, and that is fully against the Christian side of my doctrine.

The real capital (G) God, the one who created Yahweh, the (most vile god of gods ), would not allow that given the perfection of man and imperfection in Yahweh.

Would you help Yahweh with his genocide of man, or would you tell him where to go.

Would you be a traitor to humanity?

Regards
DL

niam2023:
Well, as a Shin Megami Tensei player, I'd tell him where to stick it - then beat him down.

I find the second game posits the most interesting series of events, even in the Law Path, which seems to set you on YHVH's path, even his own Angels find the things YHVH wants to do and has done to the Earth abominable. Thus resulting in Satan (separate from Lucifer owing to this game taking more from the early Jewish tradition that established them as separate beings) turning against his master and helping you put an end to the tyrant deity.

He however turns to salt in the process.

Depending on how much you liked Zayin, one half of Satan, and Satan himself, this could be a blow to the player.

davedan:
But telling Yahweh where to stick his Ark simply results in you drowning. Which I guess is no loss if you are a gnostic in the sense of believing that the entirety of the material universe is flawed and the creation of the Demiurge and the only way to return to the divine spark is through enlightenment at death.

Personally I like living. I suspect I would probably be freaked out about having something that doesn't exist threaten the planet with something which couldn't physically happen. I assume that once I told Yahweh that the story was a metaphor and wasn't literally possible he would relax.

But I guess the flood story is just one of the many stories in the bible where God doesn't look so great to put among the rest, like the story of adam and eve, Exodus, the binding of Isaac or the book of Job.

Sigmaleph:
The obvious sticking point is that the story does not imply Noah helped with the flood happening at all, he just happened to have been offered a way out. It's no betrayal of humanity to choose yourself living and everyone else dying over just "everyone dying".

You could claim that God wanted some group of survivors and would not have committed genocide unless someone agreed to build the arc, I suppose, that Noah refusing would in fact have saved anyone else. But then that raises the question, was God only going to offer that to Noah and stop otherwise, or was he going to shrug if he refused and offer it to someone else. Because, well, inevitably someone else would have said yes, so your choice is saving yourself and your family vs someone else getting to save themself and their family.

There's no obvious move Noah can take that results in no genocide, or even in saving a greater number of lives.

Askold:
Also, Noah did try to warn others.

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