France threatens to recognize Palestine

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

UP, ya do know that there's just the teensiest, tiniest power differential between the Palestinians and the Israeli's?

Like, Israel is a modern western industrialized state and Palestine is it's shooting range.

As if that makes a difference.  And if Palestine was "Israel's shooting range," you'd expect far more casualties.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a difference between being a stable industrialised state and a series of bomb craters populated by desperate refugees, hostile Israeli settlers and breakaway factions who won't do what they're told. Kinda.

And...do you think the number of Palestinian casualties are insufficient? Not enough kids oven baked with white phosphorus yet or something?

Last told the ratio of Palestinians to Israeli's killed since 2000 was 8/1. Too small?

[Ultimate Paragon]

UP, ya do know that there's just the teensiest, tiniest power differential between the Palestinians and the Israeli's?

Like, Israel is a modern western industrialized state and Palestine is it's shooting range.

As if that makes a difference.  And if Palestine was "Israel's shooting range," you'd expect far more casualties.

Can't round them up these days. Bad PR.

But Hamas has no problem rounding up and murdering dissidents within Gaza.

UP, ya do know that there's just the teensiest, tiniest power differential between the Palestinians and the Israeli's?

Like, Israel is a modern western industrialized state and Palestine is it's shooting range.

As if that makes a difference.  And if Palestine was "Israel's shooting range," you'd expect far more casualties.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a difference between being a stable industrialised state and a series of bomb craters populated by desperate refugees, hostile Israeli settlers and breakaway factions who won't do what they're told. Kinda.

And...do you think the number of Palestinian casualties are insufficient? Not enough kids oven baked with white phosphorus yet or something?

Last told the ratio of Palestinians to Israeli's killed since 2000 was 8/1. Too small?

Many of those deaths can be attributed to Hamas' casual disregard for the lives of its own citizenry.

And wow, could you have possibly found a more biased source?

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

And not to Israel's casual disregard for the lives of Palestinians, huh.

[Even Then]

power differences have no meaning anymore, employees saying "you're fired" to CEOs actually gets them fired now, cisphobia and heterophobia are real axes of oppression that deserve our attention

[Ultimate Paragon]

And not to Israel's casual disregard for the lives of Palestinians, huh.

You're conveniently ignoring the fact that they warn Palestinian civilians to get out of harm's way.

power differences have no meaning anymore, employees saying "you're fired" to CEOs actually gets them fired now, cisphobia and heterophobia are real axes of oppression that deserve our attention

Al-Qaeda had box cutters.  America had stealth aircraft.

[Lt. Fred]

UP, ya do know that there's just the teensiest, tiniest power differential between the Palestinians and the Israeli's?

Like, Israel is a modern western industrialized state and Palestine is it's shooting range.

As if that makes a difference.  And if Palestine was "Israel's shooting range," you'd expect far more casualties.

Can't round them up these days. Bad PR.

But Hamas has no problem rounding up and murdering dissidents within Gaza.

That is, fighting a years long civil war with Israel-backed Fatah.

UP, ya do know that there's just the teensiest, tiniest power differential between the Palestinians and the Israeli's?

Like, Israel is a modern western industrialized state and Palestine is it's shooting range.

As if that makes a difference.  And if Palestine was "Israel's shooting range," you'd expect far more casualties.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a difference between being a stable industrialised state and a series of bomb craters populated by desperate refugees, hostile Israeli settlers and breakaway factions who won't do what they're told. Kinda.

And...do you think the number of Palestinian casualties are insufficient? Not enough kids oven baked with white phosphorus yet or something?

Last told the ratio of Palestinians to Israeli's killed since 2000 was 8/1. Too small?

Many of those deaths can be attributed to Hamas' casual disregard for the lives of its own citizenry. [/quote]

You can also attribute the blame for many rapes to the victims, too.

[Lt. Fred]

And not to Israel's casual disregard for the lives of Palestinians, huh.

You're conveniently ignoring the fact that they warn Palestinian civilians to get out of harm's way.

They bomb the whole country, and warn the population to leave it. And stop them.

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

And not to Israel's casual disregard for the lives of Palestinians, huh.

You're conveniently ignoring the fact that they warn Palestinian civilians to get out of harm's way.

You mean the warning shots that occasionally kill people, yep. I guess if they weren't itty little bits after that they'd know it was a damn fine idea to get out of harms way.

[Ultimate Paragon]

UP, ya do know that there's just the teensiest, tiniest power differential between the Palestinians and the Israeli's?

Like, Israel is a modern western industrialized state and Palestine is it's shooting range.

As if that makes a difference.  And if Palestine was "Israel's shooting range," you'd expect far more casualties.

Can't round them up these days. Bad PR.

But Hamas has no problem rounding up and murdering dissidents within Gaza.

That is, fighting a years long civil war with Israel-backed Fatah.

Gotta love that spin.  Why are you defending extrajudicial executions of suspected collaborators?

UP, ya do know that there's just the teensiest, tiniest power differential between the Palestinians and the Israeli's?

Like, Israel is a modern western industrialized state and Palestine is it's shooting range.

As if that makes a difference.  And if Palestine was "Israel's shooting range," you'd expect far more casualties.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a difference between being a stable industrialised state and a series of bomb craters populated by desperate refugees, hostile Israeli settlers and breakaway factions who won't do what they're told. Kinda.

And...do you think the number of Palestinian casualties are insufficient? Not enough kids oven baked with white phosphorus yet or something?

Last told the ratio of Palestinians to Israeli's killed since 2000 was 8/1. Too small?

Many of those deaths can be attributed to Hamas' casual disregard for the lives of its own citizenry.

You can also attribute the blame for many rapes to the victims, too.
[/quote]

Did you seriously just compare my statement of objective fact to rape apologism?  I should have expected you couldn't debate this in good faith.

And not to Israel's casual disregard for the lives of Palestinians, huh.

You're conveniently ignoring the fact that they warn Palestinian civilians to get out of harm's way.

You mean the warning shots that occasionally kill people, yep. I guess if they weren't itty little bits after that they'd know it was a damn fine idea to get out of harms way.

Yeah, that's worthy of criticism.  But phone calls and leaflets don't kill people.

[Lt. Fred]

UP, ya do know that there's just the teensiest, tiniest power differential between the Palestinians and the Israeli's?

Like, Israel is a modern western industrialized state and Palestine is it's shooting range.

As if that makes a difference.  And if Palestine was "Israel's shooting range," you'd expect far more casualties.

Can't round them up these days. Bad PR.

But Hamas has no problem rounding up and murdering dissidents within Gaza.

That is, fighting a years long civil war with Israel-backed Fatah.

Gotta love that spin.  Why are you defending extrajudicial executions of suspected collaborators?

Look, obviously it's bad and the people involved should be prosecuted. One more consequence of the Israeli occupation you support.

UP, ya do know that there's just the teensiest, tiniest power differential between the Palestinians and the Israeli's?

Like, Israel is a modern western industrialized state and Palestine is it's shooting range.

As if that makes a difference.  And if Palestine was "Israel's shooting range," you'd expect far more casualties.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a difference between being a stable industrialised state and a series of bomb craters populated by desperate refugees, hostile Israeli settlers and breakaway factions who won't do what they're told. Kinda.

And...do you think the number of Palestinian casualties are insufficient? Not enough kids oven baked with white phosphorus yet or something?

Last told the ratio of Palestinians to Israeli's killed since 2000 was 8/1. Too small?

Many of those deaths can be attributed to Hamas' casual disregard for the lives of its own citizenry.

You can also attribute the blame for many rapes to the victims, too.
[/quote]

Did you seriously just compare my statement of objective fact to rape apologism?  I should have expected you couldn't debate this in good faith. [/quote]

It is indeed blaming the victim, yes. I shell your city, kill your citizens and blame you for not protecting them somehow.

And not to Israel's casual disregard for the lives of Palestinians, huh.

You're conveniently ignoring the fact that they warn Palestinian civilians to get out of harm's way.

You mean the warning shots that occasionally kill people, yep. I guess if they weren't itty little bits after that they'd know it was a damn fine idea to get out of harms way.

Yeah, that's worthy of criticism.  But phone calls and leaflets don't kill people.
[/quote]

Shells, gunfire and blockades do, though.

[Lt. Fred]

It's very simple. Israel is the only side responsible for continuing the conflict. It is also responsible for the vast majority of the misery within that conflict. This is accepted by everyone, from the UN to Amnesty.

Hamas, for decades, and Fatah for longer, has been willing to accept a long-term truce or even a peace deal based on the Green Line. Israel and the US has no interest of accepting any peace deal; why would they? What do they get out of it? Israel has long worked to undermine peace through their illegal construction of settlements in Palestine, an attempt to annex territory. The also try to ethnically cleanse East Jerusalem through denial of building permits.

[Askold]

Well, we are talking about the country that is doing an ethnic cleansing on Jews.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/#44077d0d2880

The "wrong kind" of Jews that is.

[Tolpuddle Martyr]

...phone calls and leaflets don't kill people.

"They call us now / Before they drop the bombs. / The phone rings / and someone who knows my first name / calls and says in perfect Arabic / 'This is David...' / ...You have 58 seconds from the end of this message. / Your house is next... / ...Run."

Yep, definitely wouldn't be the phone call that'd do it.

[Ultimate Paragon]

UP, ya do know that there's just the teensiest, tiniest power differential between the Palestinians and the Israeli's?

Like, Israel is a modern western industrialized state and Palestine is it's shooting range.

As if that makes a difference.  And if Palestine was "Israel's shooting range," you'd expect far more casualties.

Can't round them up these days. Bad PR.

But Hamas has no problem rounding up and murdering dissidents within Gaza.

That is, fighting a years long civil war with Israel-backed Fatah.

Gotta love that spin.  Why are you defending extrajudicial executions of suspected collaborators?

Look, obviously it's bad and the people involved should be prosecuted. One more consequence of the Israeli occupation you support.

Because it's Israel's fault Hamas brutalizes people who dare to criticize it.

UP, ya do know that there's just the teensiest, tiniest power differential between the Palestinians and the Israeli's?

Like, Israel is a modern western industrialized state and Palestine is it's shooting range.

As if that makes a difference.  And if Palestine was "Israel's shooting range," you'd expect far more casualties.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a difference between being a stable industrialised state and a series of bomb craters populated by desperate refugees, hostile Israeli settlers and breakaway factions who won't do what they're told. Kinda.

And...do you think the number of Palestinian casualties are insufficient? Not enough kids oven baked with white phosphorus yet or something?

Last told the ratio of Palestinians to Israeli's killed since 2000 was 8/1. Too small?

Many of those deaths can be attributed to Hamas' casual disregard for the lives of its own citizenry.

You can also attribute the blame for many rapes to the victims, too.

Did you seriously just compare my statement of objective fact to rape apologism?  I should have expected you couldn't debate this in good faith.

It is indeed blaming the victim, yes. I shell your city, kill your citizens and blame you for not protecting them somehow.[/quote]

You talk as though Hamas doesn't have the resources to protect its citizens.  It does, it just chooses not to.  Gaza is honeycombed with underground structures, from the tunnels it uses for smuggling to the bomb shelters it uses to protect its fighters and leaders.

I sympathize with the people of Gaza, I really do.  And that's part of why I'm so angry at your support of Hamas.

Well, we are talking about the country that is doing an ethnic cleansing on Jews.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/#44077d0d2880

The "wrong kind" of Jews that is.

Yeah, that's contemptible, and I'm not even going to try to defend it.  But it's also a red herring.  What does this have to do with the situation in Palestine?

[mellenORL]

Oh, joy. We re-discovered a vastly more interesting and important topic to debate with UP about. Too bad it will be so difficult to keep it on an adult level.