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Community => Society and History => Topic started by: ScrappyB on November 14, 2013, 11:20:48 pm
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I'm sure everyone who has read RSTDT has wondered what would happen if a white supremacist took a DNA test. So there's this white racist nutjob (who insists he's just "racially aware") trying to set up a "white enclave" and get other racist nutjobs to move to a tiny North Dakota town. He agreed to take part in a DNA ancestry test and appear on a talk show. Hilarity ensues.
http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/dna-finds-craig-cobb-part-black/article_bfcbf59e-4b23-11e3-a44c-001a4bcf887a.html
To absolutely no one's surprise, the morons at Stormfront are bending over backward trying to deny the test results.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1004779/
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From that thread:
First of all I certainly DO NOT believe that DNA evidence is real, she faked it for her show.
There is nothing more that needs to be said. ;D
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Given that all homo sapiens are descended from Africans. I wonder what the percentage of DNA is for someone who really has a "racially pure" ancestry. From a purely academic point of view.
The percentage given in the show of 14% sub Saharan African, would make it his great grandparents who got it on, if my incredibly non technical estimate is right.
If he feels that she cheated for her show he can always go for another test, however I doubt he will. I get the feeling he is too scared to get the results. Similarly to how someone who suspects they might have an STD are scared of going for testing because they are scared of how things might turn out true.
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From that thread:
First of all I certainly DO NOT believe that DNA evidence is real, she faked it for her show.
There is nothing more that needs to be said. ;D
To be honest, I would not be horribly suprised if the results were in fact fake.
Stuff like this does make a "good" show. Then again, this certainly would not be the first or the last time that a racist bigot turns out to have "inferior" blood.
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Half inclined to say real, half inclined to say fake.
Because theres no such thing as too many lies when it comes to good tv
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For some reason when I read the title I first thought of that Dave Chapelle skit where he was the blind KKK member.
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I remember reading a Finnish comic where there was a blind black neo-nazi. His brothers (he was adopted) were in the neo-nazi movement and they didn't have the heart to tell him about his skin colour. Everyone just went along with it and humoured him because he was family.
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After doing some further digging, it turns out this is actually his second appearance on the talk show. Here's part 1, where they talked to two residents of the town (an interracial couple), the white racist in question, and a female black separatist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHu6NXvwxR8
The talk show is British, if it matters. It's worth a watch. The white supremacist calls the husband "livestock" and a "pet" and the black separatist tells him he married someone who looked like a former slave owner. Two sides of the same coin indeed. BTW, the white guy is a Holocaust denialist too. Is anyone surprised?
At the end, the host asks both of the racists to do the test. Apparently the second show is to announce the results and it hasn't even aired yet. The promo commercials give the white supremacist's test results. I can only imagine the white nationalist howling and feces flinging once it actually runs.
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Remember the Steve Martin movie in which he is raised from infancy in a poor black southern family? When they finally divulge that he isn't truly black he asks plaintively, "You mean my skin is always going to be this color?"
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Most all white Americans whose families were here since the early 1800's or farther back have African blood, at least via Amerindian African mix ancestors. Runaway African slaves were often sheltered within Native communities, and married into their new tribes. Those DNA results on the show are almost assuredly true.
Here's a nice blog post on the phenom of whites claiming Cherokee blood for that complexion or nose bridge or cheek bones or hair texture, but denying having any African blood.
http://voices.yahoo.com/is-cherokee-ancestry-actually-african-american-3084884.html (http://voices.yahoo.com/is-cherokee-ancestry-actually-african-american-3084884.html)
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I am reminded of X-Men villain Graydon Creed.
Horrible bigot...and then it is discovered he's the son of two of the kind of people he hates.
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;D THIS IS THE GREATEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE! ;D
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From SF:
At 14% there would likely be noticeable traits in skin and hair. Cobb shows none of these traits.
Oh really?:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/xbivyp.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2jg2sep.jpg)
Dude looks like he could easily have a black great grandparent. His hair, nose and forehead especially.
That being said, commercial DNA ancestry tests aren't always accurate, so it's entirely possibly that the results were incorrect. It'll be interesting to see what the other tests say, assuming he'll be honest about the results.
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Oh, I'm sure he'll be honest about the results, but only as long as they say what he wants others to hear.
Apparently he has an account on Stormfront and some of them are already talking about banishing him to their open forum (the only place people who aren't super speshul 100% full-blooded Aryan Hitler-wannabes are allowed to post over there) if the test results are confirmed. Think he's going to get people who share his views to move with him if they don't see him as "one of us"?
If he comes out and says the other tests say the same thing, I'll be shocked.
Also, looks like I was mistaken on the origin of the talk show. The host used to have a show in the UK, but when it was cancelled she got a show over here.
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I bet the number of blond haired blue eyed people on their special forum could be counted on a single hand.
Just for laughs, I try to find pictures of some of these people, and wala, none of them are anything but crazy bitter old fat white men.
You'd think people who pride themselves on a divine lineage would keep themselves in better shape.
A movement made of hypocrisy and purposeless anger.
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Does blue-green hazel count as "blue-eyed"?
'cause I'm a complete mutt of a human being.
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I think they count everything other than super-dark-brown eyes as "white".
Which means I'm shit out of luck when it comes to being part of their magical master race.
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Huh. So I'm blonde and have blue-green hazel eyes.... I'm apparently welcome in their little club.
And as I said previously, I'm a fucking mutt. Norse, Welsh, Scottish, British, and a hint of Native American in my bloodstream. And I'm pretty sure there's a lot of other stuff, too.
I'm about as Aryan as Hitler was.
*waits for the irony to set in*
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Everything about the Nazis is just kind of ridiculous when you stop to think about it.
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Everything about the Nazis is just kind of ridiculous when you stop to think about it.
Extremes and extremists are, by their very nature, ridiculous.
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Huh. So I'm blonde and have blue-green hazel eyes.... I'm apparently welcome in their little club.
And as I said previously, I'm a fucking mutt. Norse, Welsh, Scottish, British, and a hint of Native American in my bloodstream. And I'm pretty sure there's a lot of other stuff, too.
I'm about as Aryan as Hitler was.
*waits for the irony to set in*
Also you're a gay and everyone knows the Nazis were secretly gay.
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EVERYBODY SING!
(To the tune of Colonel Bogey)
Hitler has only got one ball
Goering has two but they are small
Himmler is very similar (but his are square!)
But Goebbels has no balls at all.
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Huh. So I'm blonde and have blue-green hazel eyes.... I'm apparently welcome in their little club.
And as I said previously, I'm a fucking mutt. Norse, Welsh, Scottish, British, and a hint of Native American in my bloodstream. And I'm pretty sure there's a lot of other stuff, too.
I'm about as Aryan as Hitler was.
*waits for the irony to set in*
Also you're a gay and everyone knows the Nazis were secretly gay.
I'm not from Uruguay, what are you talking about?
(This makes more sense phonetically...)
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Huh. So I'm blonde and have blue-green hazel eyes.... I'm apparently welcome in their little club.
And as I said previously, I'm a fucking mutt. Norse, Welsh, Scottish, British, and a hint of Native American in my bloodstream. And I'm pretty sure there's a lot of other stuff, too.
I'm about as Aryan as Hitler was.
*waits for the irony to set in*
You'd be accepted as "Aryan" by most of them so long as you don't mention the wee bit of Native. Nordic blood is frequently held as the highest "ideal", but the majority of them see English (which is heavily influenced by Nords anyway), Celtic and other Western European ethnicities as "superior" enough to be worthy of their idiotic stamp of approval. Hell, a fair number will even accept Central and Eastern Europeans groups as "superior", so long as they're not too dark/don't have "Moorish" ancestry.
That being said, I'm sure some of them hold onto beliefs about Celts being inferior/only Nords being "true whites".
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My point is that Aryanism is an absurd concept and anyone who indulges in it probably meets the criteria on a purely superficial level. Once you get below skin, the whole thing is destroyed.
Also, I'm 99% sure that Hitler didn't even meet his own definition of Aryan, hence my comment.
Of course, there's the fact that Aryanism is an absolutely stupid concept to begin with.
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My point is that Aryanism is an absurd concept and anyone who indulges in it probably meets the criteria on a purely superficial level. Once you get below skin, the whole thing is destroyed.
Also, I'm 99% sure that Hitler didn't even meet his own definition of Aryan, hence my comment.
Of course, there's the fact that Aryanism is an absolutely stupid concept to begin with.
Oh, I absolutely agree. The idea that there's a distinct "Aryan race" is absurd, and it only becomes more ridiculous when you see how little consensus there is amongst white supremacist groups over who, exactly, qualifies as Aryan. If you want to get Storm Front riled up, start a thread asking if Turkish people are white.
I'm just sharing some of the things I've noticed while indulging my bile fascination by reading through various Storm Front threads devoted to the subject. The most common opinion there seems to be that all Europeans who aren't Jewish or Romani and don't have "Moorish" ancestry are white, with Nords being the super shiny foil edition whites.
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Ironically the only true Aryans are from India
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Ironically the only true Aryans are from India
Yeah, the irony is that Rroma are closer to Aryans than most self-proclaimed "Aryans" are.
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Although the Aryans were bit of pricks they were
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And as I said previously, I'm a fucking mutt. Norse, Welsh, Scottish, British,
I'm sorry, but that's not a mutt. It's northern european, northern european, northern european, and northern european.
and a hint of Native American in my bloodstream.
Lol. It may be true, but that's what EVERY white person I've ever known who wanted to sound more racially interesting says.
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And as I said previously, I'm a fucking mutt. Norse, Welsh, Scottish, British,
I'm sorry, but that's not a mutt. It's northern european, northern european, northern european, and northern european.
and a hint of Native American in my bloodstream.
Lol. It may be true, but that's what EVERY white person I've ever known who wanted to sound more racially interesting says.
My mum's like that, she's convinced that we have practically all the ethnicities.
She's even thinks that we have Mayan and Native American blood, even though we're British and there's pretty much no chance of that being true.
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And as I said previously, I'm a fucking mutt. Norse, Welsh, Scottish, British,
I'm sorry, but that's not a mutt. It's northern european, northern european, northern european, and northern european.
and a hint of Native American in my bloodstream.
Lol. It may be true, but that's what EVERY white person I've ever known who wanted to sound more racially interesting says.
My mum's like that, she's convinced that we have practically all the ethnicities.
She's even thinks that we have Mayan and Native American blood, even though we're British and there's pretty much no chance of that being true.
On the other hand concidering the Roman rule of the British isles it is possible that you have ancestors from any or all of the ethnic groups that formed Rome. (Some historian even claims that London during Roman rule was more multicultural than it is now, with legionnaires and citizens from all corners of Rome living there.)
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Slavics are usually brown haired/brown eyed and tend to be able to trace themselves back to the magical Caucasus region. It's so odd to apparently be whiter than the people who say they are white when Slavics are actually dark.
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And as I said previously, I'm a fucking mutt. Norse, Welsh, Scottish, British,
I'm sorry, but that's not a mutt. It's northern european, northern european, northern european, and northern european.
and a hint of Native American in my bloodstream.
Lol. It may be true, but that's what EVERY white person I've ever known who wanted to sound more racially interesting says.
My mum's like that, she's convinced that we have practically all the ethnicities.
She's even thinks that we have Mayan and Native American blood, even though we're British and there's pretty much no chance of that being true.
On the other hand concidering the Roman rule of the British isles it is possible that you have ancestors from any or all of the ethnic groups that formed Rome. (Some historian even claims that London during Roman rule was more multicultural than it is now, with legionnaires and citizens from all corners of Rome living there.)
I can see that, but Mayan and Native American? I don't think so.
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And as I said previously, I'm a fucking mutt. Norse, Welsh, Scottish, British,
I'm sorry, but that's not a mutt. It's northern european, northern european, northern european, and northern european.
and a hint of Native American in my bloodstream.
Lol. It may be true, but that's what EVERY white person I've ever known who wanted to sound more racially interesting says.
Did I do something to offend you?
Not to mention that even if they are all Northern European, so what? I'm pretty damn sure they don't unite under a happy banner of being white, there are people in those cultures bigoted against other northern europeans for not being their brand of northern european.
The idea of a "noble, superior white race" is absurd because of that and many, many other reasons.
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Some Brits have Native American blood in them. Remember a lot of Natives were taken from the Americas back to the Old World to... well... 'show off', for lack of a better word.
Some Natives were educated in England so they could act as go-betweens from the Native-Speaking and English-Speaking settlers and gentry.
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Some Brits have Native American blood in them. Remember a lot of Natives were taken from the Americas back to the Old World to... well... 'show off', for lack of a better word.
Some Natives were educated in England so they could act as go-betweens from the Native-Speaking and English-Speaking settlers and gentry.
I know it's not completely impossible, but she will just randomly get it in her head that we definitely have a specific ethnicity or famous ancestor in our family, but it won't be based on any kind of evidence.
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And as I said previously, I'm a fucking mutt. Norse, Welsh, Scottish, British,
I'm sorry, but that's not a mutt. It's northern european, northern european, northern european, and northern european.
and a hint of Native American in my bloodstream.
Lol. It may be true, but that's what EVERY white person I've ever known who wanted to sound more racially interesting says.
Did I do something to offend you?
No, I just find it a funny trend. i.e. White folks calling themselves "mutts" (they always seem to use that word too) because their ancestors were ever-so-slightly different shades of white. And they always seem to throw in an imperceptable smidgin of native american for good measure.
Not to mention that even if they are all Northern European, so what? I'm pretty damn sure they don't unite under a happy banner of being white, there are people in those cultures bigoted against other northern europeans for not being their brand of northern european.
So? People fight over being different tribes or clans, or even families within a tribe or clan. That's like saying your dog's a mutt because its parents were both chocolate labs, but they were born in kennels on opposite sides of town.
English, Scottish, and Welsh all come from the same little island, even, and have a lot of Norse ancestry to begin with.
The idea of a "noble, superior white race" is absurd because of that and many, many other reasons.
No argument there.
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And as I said previously, I'm a fucking mutt. Norse, Welsh, Scottish, British,
I'm sorry, but that's not a mutt. It's northern european, northern european, northern european, and northern european.
and a hint of Native American in my bloodstream.
Lol. It may be true, but that's what EVERY white person I've ever known who wanted to sound more racially interesting says.
Did I do something to offend you?
No, I just find it a funny trend. i.e. White folks calling themselves "mutts" (they always seem to use that word too) because their ancestors were ever-so-slightly different shades of white. And they always seem to throw in an imperceptable smidgin of native american for good measure.
I was using "mutt" as a humorous term in the first place. (Also of note is that mutts are generally healthier dogs than purebreeds. And also of note is that most human beings tend to be mutts in the first place)
As for the whole native american thing, well, I'm from America. A lot of white people here have a smidgen of native american blood.
So in the future, should I pretend to not have Native American blood, just so I don't fit into a "silly trend"? I probably have blood from more sources than I listed, I just don't know them. What I listed was what I actually knew for a fact.
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You shouldn't pretend anything. It just strikes me as a little, "Look at me!" to call yourself a mutt because you have a few non-white ancestors. (I'm sure I do too, but like you said, being an American, that's par for the course.)
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That wasn't really even remotely close to what I was going for, though.
More along the lines of "If I fit their definition of Aryan simply because blue eyes blonde hair, their definition is insane."
Which we already knew anyways, but I like illustrating how insane.
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Out of curiosity, which Native tribe/band are your descended from?
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Out of curiosity, which Native tribe/band are your descended from?
Some of my relatives think it's Chirikawa Apache (or is it Apache Chirikawa?), but that doesn't make much sense considering they were in the southwest and my family lineage doesn't really come from there (it's more northeast/central for my overall family lineage)
So Mom thinks it's Cherokee, actually.
I don't even know the exact percentage either. All I know is, I don't really care because I don't plan on identifying as a Native American, nor do I have the right to speak on their behalf (after all, it was also my ancestors who made their lives a living hell)
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I've only narrowed down my bloodline to being a good portion of Ukrainian. Beyond that, all I know is that my biological dad was genetically diverse though mostly European. I would have to take a test to narrow down things. I assume I have some sort of Celtic in me. I do know I was adopted into a family that was descended from the Scottish MacFarlane clan and that my mother actually does have Native American in her (amusing in the fact that she is blonde hair, blue eyed). But neither of those things matter when it comes to my bloodline because of obvious reasons. If the tests weren't so expensive I'd happily get one done simply because I enjoy looking up the history of my ethnicities.
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I'm mostly Scottish, Irish, German, and Finnish, with maybe a bit of English, Polish, and Swedish mixed in.
Yeah, complete blond-haired, blue-eyed northern European here and no Native American blood whatsoever.
I also have a cousin with the whole "red hair, green eyes" Irish look.
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I know I have Huron ancestry, since I've actually been around my grandfather (he was born to a French mother and Huron father) and heard about the discrimination he faced and the way the system basically screwed him out of his indigenous rights, as well as doing a ton of research into my ancestry and finding records of my Native ancestors.
Still, I tend to identify more as having Native ancestry than actually being Native in any meaningful way, seeing as I only have a BQ of 1/8, I haven't been raised with a Native identity beyond knowing my grandfather's history, I'm not involved in the culture, I don't look Native (meaning I haven't faced any of the associated discrimination) and I'm not a candidate for Indian Status or band membership.
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That wasn't really even remotely close to what I was going for, though.
More along the lines of "If I fit their definition of Aryan simply because blue eyes blonde hair, their definition is insane."
Which we already knew anyways, but I like illustrating how insane.
I see. In that case, I retract my comments and agree.
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My sister is paying to have testing done to determine our ancestry, so I'll know for sure how diverse I am before long.
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As far as I know, I'm a pure European. A mixture of Slavic (specifically Croatian and Slovenian) on my mother's side and Irish, English and German on my father's side of things. No Native American whatsoever, though I suppose that's to be expected for someone who's not American.
Then again, if I wanted to claim some ethnic special snowflake points, it's somewhat likely I have a few drops of Turkish blood in me. The Ottomans were pretty active in the Balkans, back in the day, so it's hardly inconceivable that one of my ancestors porked a Turk. That counts for something, right?
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I imagine white supremacists really hate latinos since they are a new race created from the intermixing of races
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I see those commercials on TV for genetic background testing going back 1000 years or so. It'd be nice to know the mystery elements of my
Father's sperm donor's side. All I know is his last name "Muse" and I'm not sure what the exact spelling is. Mama says "Muse", but I've seen several different spellings looking in surname sites including "Mewes". So... I have no bloody idea.
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According to the sites I checked, the last name "Mewes" and its variants indicate Anglo-Saxon ancestry, with it most commonly being found in England.
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Having the last name of Muse would be pretty neat, though.
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Oh... so I'm "pip-pip and cheerio-ing" on both sides (if you go by name meanings and etymology). Well, with a sizable amount of "Och! Ma Dooley!" and "Faith n' Begorah!" too. Oh yeah, and we can't forget my great great grandma being a full blooded Cherokee. *Raises hand*"... How."
Yes I know those were painfully stereotypical, that's what I was going for. :p
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Well, you're probably Anglo-Saxon on at least your paternal grandfather's side. Paternal grandma is still a mystery.
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Yeah... that's true. I'm still interested in one of those tests, but I hear they're a pretty penny, and I've got more important things to spend money on right now.
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The results can also be a pretty iffy, especially if you're looking for specific ethnicities.
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I don't think I'm comfy paying 100 or so bucks a pop for 'iffy'. I may have to wait until they invent some sort of Star Trekky thing you walk through and it tells your whole genetic makeup and background all the way back to the "protozoa with ideas above their station" stage.
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I don't think I'm comfy paying 100 or so bucks a pop for 'iffy'. I may have to wait until they invent some sort of Star Trekky thing you walk through and it tells your whole genetic makeup and background all the way back to the "protozoa with ideas above their station" stage.
They probably already have that technology on CSI.
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I don't think I'm comfy paying 100 or so bucks a pop for 'iffy'. I may have to wait until they invent some sort of Star Trekky thing you walk through and it tells your whole genetic makeup and background all the way back to the "protozoa with ideas above their station" stage.
They probably already have that technology on CSI.
Or Bones.
Though at least Bones doesn't pretend to be technologically accurate.
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True, but it gives David Boreanaz a job, and that's what matters. Yeah.
Emily Deschaniel (sp?) isn't too hard on the eyes either.
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I prefer Emily to Zooey but I stopped watching after what they did with Zack (Addy).
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Eh, Zack was never a character I really felt anything for or against. I could have taken or left his departure.
Saying that, the way things worked out, in my opinion, it gave a little dynamic-ness to the show when they had their Intern-of-the-Week guys come in.
I gotta say I like the 'Country Boy' intern.
Gee I wonder why...?
But, I digress...