Kidnapped for Christ

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

It does make me wonder if deprogramers who kidnap people from cuts are any more ethical, though.

That's an interesting thought, actually. In a situation involving clear-cut abuse, the ethics are pretty straightforward (in the same way that placing someone in a psychiatric hospital is perfectly ethical if the individual is a danger to themselves or others), but I can certainly see how they might become muddled in some scenarios. It's not always easy to discern between brainwashing and decisions made of ones own free will.

Related is the question of whether deprogramming is even an adequate substitute for the individual choosing to leave on their own & willingly undergoing therapy to deal with any residual trauma.

At the same time, I think we also need to ask ourselves whether or not it's ethical to sit back and do nothing when we've good reason to believe that an individual is a victim cult-related brainwashing and/or abuse.

[Podkayne]

It does make me wonder if deprogramers who kidnap people from cuts are any more ethical, though.

That's an interesting thought, actually. In a situation involving clear-cut abuse, the ethics are pretty straightforward (in the same way that placing someone in a psychiatric hospital is perfectly ethical if the individual is a danger to themselves or others), but I can certainly see how they might become muddled in some scenarios. It's not always easy to discern between brainwashing and decisions made of ones own free will.

Related is the question of whether deprogramming is even an adequate substitute for the individual choosing to leave on their own & willingly undergoing therapy to deal with any residual trauma.

At the same time, I think we also need to ask ourselves whether or not it's ethical to sit back and do nothing when we've good reason to believe that an individual is a victim cult-related brainwashing and/or abuse.

Hey, thanks for giving my post due consideration! 

[Nightmare172]

Well, I feel sickened now. Thanks for that, people who do shit like this. You've ruined these kids lives.

[TheL]

Many of the parents didn't even research the school's history. They just saw some pictures of it on the internet and shipped their child there.

Why would you not check out a place you're planning to send your child?  That makes no sense!

[VirtualStranger]

If anyone's interested, I found the thread on the old boards that I was talking about earlier.

http://fstdt.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=rp&thread=8959&page=1

On page 6, I posted a bunch of links with stories from similar schools.

http://www.caica.org/Hannah%20Neil%20Center.htm
http://www.caica.org/STORIES%20Survivors%20Jennifer%20Chambard.htm
http://www.caica.org/STORIES%20Survivor%20Rachel%20Roberts%20PCS.htm
http://www.caica.org/STORY%20Teen%20behavior%20mod%20camps%20abuse.htm
http://www.caica.org/My%20Experience%20at%20Carolina%20Springs%20Academy%201-7-07.htm
http://www.caica.org/OPINIONS%20Grimm.htm

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

Oi, I recall that thread. Spotted this old post of mine:

If I weren't so lazy or worried about backlash against gay rights movements, I'd set up a satirical site about a school that would "Make the Straight Abate" ala "Pray the Gay Away" programs, for parents who follow the religion of Gay Jesus. Although I doubt your average fundie would be capable of seeing the point I'd be trying to make.

Or maybe one about an atheist boot camp for parents of Christians.

... and found that I'm still tempted to do this. Problem is, I'm even lazier now than I was back then.

[The Illusive Man]

Oi, I recall that thread. Spotted this old post of mine:

If I weren't so lazy or worried about backlash against gay rights movements, I'd set up a satirical site about a school that would "Make the Straight Abate" ala "Pray the Gay Away" programs, for parents who follow the religion of Gay Jesus. Although I doubt your average fundie would be capable of seeing the point I'd be trying to make.

Or maybe one about an atheist boot camp for parents of Christians.

... and found that I'm still tempted to do this. Problem is, I'm even lazier now than I was back then.

Why pass up a perfect trolling opportunity?

Is this going to be a ultra fugly website made with Microsoft Publisher on a free webhost?

[Jack Bauer]

Damen, TGR - I'm with you regarding destruction of these abominations...

However, I'd go a step further.

I'd like to set up atheist equivalents. Boot camps for fundies. Force common sense into them via waterboarding. OK, yes, I know, it's just a wild, impossible dream.

[erictheblue]

I'd like to set up atheist equivalents. Boot camps for fundies. Force common sense into them via waterboarding. OK, yes, I know, it's just a wild, impossible dream.

What about a camp where they are required to live by OT laws? (Jesus did say he didn't come to destroy the Law. The only OT Law that the NT seems to clearly remove is the dietary ones.)

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

Send me to boob camp.

[ironbite]

Send me to boob camp.

Ok.

[The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist]

Yay.