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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2012, 10:20:13 pm »
Well one of the reasons that I have been told is that the KJV is the "original" and "accurate" version. That is, it is the oldest English translation of the Bible from Latin. many put their faith in this text and claim that newer translations or versions of the Bible are corrupt. This isn't correct by the way but many argue that the KJV is the closest they can get to the Bible being "true."

This. Basically, people want to use the oldest version they can read, but are usually too lazy to learn other languages. So they will latch onto and defend the one they can with the most intense zeal they can.

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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2012, 10:58:46 pm »
My high school English teacher once said the KJV was the only good thing to come as the result of a committee. :D I think it's just because it's got a poetic sound and we've heard that version for years and furthermore it sounds more pretentious. I mean, which sounds better, this:

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1The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

 2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

 3He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

 4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

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1 The LORD is my shepherd, I lack nothing.
 2 He makes me lie down in green pastures,
he leads me beside quiet waters,
 3 he refreshes my soul.
He guides me along the right paths
   for his name’s sake.
4 Even though I walk
   through the darkest valley,
I will fear no evil,
   for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
   they comfort me.

It just sounds more poetic. Actually, if you read it as archaic poetry and not as sacred text, it's actually quite calming.

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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2012, 11:03:39 pm »
The second one sounds way better. "Maketh me to"? Was that EVER proper English?

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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2012, 11:23:14 pm »
The second one sounds way better. "Maketh me to"? Was that EVER proper English?
Yes, it was, and it flows better when read. Seriously, read the two out loud. The second one is more of a mish-mash of words.

I dislike a lot of modern re-writes because all I see the old passages worth for is as old-style poetry.

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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2012, 11:43:11 pm »
I have heard that some people believed KJV to be the original version. XD

I guess reading the original versions would be difficult as you would need to know Hebrew, Aramaic, and Classical Greek and understand that the difficulty translating any of those. Heck, it's difficult translating Classical Greek into Modern Greek.
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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2012, 11:51:54 pm »
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The second one is more of a mish-mash of words.

...No, it reads like an actual fucking sentence. I mean, it's not going to be winning any awards any time soon, but it beats "maketh me to lie down" by a longshot, & as for the rest of it, I don't see how it's so fucking artsy to replace s's with th's.

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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2012, 12:18:11 am »
I think that the Bible should be translated by non-Christian scholars of ancient Hebrew and Greek so that as little bias as possible leaks through.
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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2012, 01:01:31 am »
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The second one is more of a mish-mash of words.

...No, it reads like an actual fucking sentence. I mean, it's not going to be winning any awards any time soon, but it beats "maketh me to lie down" by a longshot, & as for the rest of it, I don't see how it's so fucking artsy to replace s's with th's.
It's not artsy, it's about word flow. The KJV bible was designed not only with translation in mind, but the placement and order of the words to facilitate the same cadence as most poetic sonnets. The intention, at the time, was to use the speech of their times, organize it in a well spaced manner, so as to make speaking and reciting the language a pleasurable experience. Most modern translations do not take this much time or consideration, being far more concerned with finding a more accurate translation - which in and of itself is as futile as finding proof of Gawd - than trying to make the reading one that meshes with the language of our times. Say what you will about the merits of using ancient English for modern times, but I'd rather read and speak something that sounds a little old and has some bounce to it, than something that sounds and reads as about exciting as a science text book.

I also don't see why you have to use such harsh language when we're debating the merits of using out of date English. It's hardly worth getting angry over.

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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2012, 01:26:44 am »
And I hardly see how it's worth getting so pretentious over, but here we are.

Also, it flows about as well as my stool.

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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2012, 01:52:43 pm »
Hoo boy... Lithp, what are you doing?
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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2012, 02:13:03 pm »
I have heard that some people believed KJV to be the original version. XD

I guess reading the original versions would be difficult as you would need to know Hebrew, Aramaic, and Classical Greek and understand that the difficulty translating any of those. Heck, it's difficult translating Classical Greek into Modern Greek.
The NT is written in Koine/Common Greek, not Classical Greek :-P

My 2 cents to the poetics question as a non-native English speaker: Taking the samples smurfetteprinciple posted, I think I would like something between them best. Ending the verbs with -th just looks screwy, and 'valley of the shadow of death' is at least one particle too many. On the other hand, 'I lack nothing' is so much 'I shall not want''s inferior it's not even funny.
So: take the best of both worlds and be satisfied with it.
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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2012, 08:27:25 pm »
Hoo boy... Lithp, what are you doing?

He wants to start shit.

And Lithp, it's not that the KJV replaced "s" with "th."  It's that English, in the centuries since, has replaced all those "eth"s with "s".
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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2012, 11:17:47 pm »
I have heard that some people believed KJV to be the original version. XD

If by some you mean quite a lot, then yes, you are correct. I know of people who believe English is God's language and whites are God's people. And that the calender is the way it is because Jesus said so in the Bible, and that was a high school girl that said that (she also always talks about why the rest of the world has such weird names for place).

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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2012, 11:35:34 pm »
I thought the KJV was a big deal because it was one of the first books in what is considered modern english

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Re: Why King James?
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2012, 11:58:40 pm »
Hoo boy... Lithp, what are you doing?
Baiting, apparently. I do appreciate the wonderful imagery in his choice of words.  :)

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