http://cwckiforums.com/threads/fat-acceptance-movement.2042/ (http://cwckiforums.com/threads/fat-acceptance-movement.2042/)
That forum is great in general for internet crazies, if you ask me.
"Calories In/Calories Out" has been pretty much debunked in a way.
"Calories In/Calories Out" has been pretty much debunked in a way.
There are certainly numerous variables involved in weight loss/gain, and any healthy diet will account for factors beyond raw energy, but when you get down to it, your body does need an intake and output of energy to function. If there's a deficit, your body is forced to use whatever resources it has stocked up -- fat and muscle -- to continue to survive. That's not to deny that there are issues that can make it extremely difficult to decrease body fat (Cushings, etc.) or that nutrition isn't vital to successful long term weight loss (and health in general), but it's incredibly misleading when people start claiming that calorie intake and output plays no role in body weight. Our bodies are more complex than mechanical devices, but they're still very much subject to the laws of physics.
"Calories In/Calories Out" has been pretty much debunked in a way.
There are certainly numerous variables involved in weight loss/gain, and any healthy diet will account for factors beyond raw energy, but when you get down to it, your body does need an intake and output of energy to function. If there's a deficit, your body is forced to use whatever resources it has stocked up -- fat and muscle -- to continue to survive. That's not to deny that there are issues that can make it extremely difficult to decrease body fat (Cushings, etc.) or that nutrition isn't vital to successful long term weight loss (and health in general), but it's incredibly misleading when people start claiming that calorie intake and output plays no role in body weight. Our bodies are more complex than mechanical devices, but they're still very much subject to the laws of physics.
Actually, I think the article (http://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/) Dow Jones posted makes that point quite clearly. It's not that "calories in/calories out" is false, but rather that it doesn't tell you much, and that to derive an actual weight control strategy, you need to know how each type of food affects your metabolism beyond just knowing its calorie count.
I.e. nobody (here) is saying caloric intake and output doesn't matter.
"Calories In/Calories Out" has been pretty much debunked in a way.
There are certainly numerous variables involved in weight loss/gain, and any healthy diet will account for factors beyond raw energy, but when you get down to it, your body does need an intake and output of energy to function. If there's a deficit, your body is forced to use whatever resources it has stocked up -- fat and muscle -- to continue to survive. That's not to deny that there are issues that can make it extremely difficult to decrease body fat (Cushings, etc.) or that nutrition isn't vital to successful long term weight loss (and health in general), but it's incredibly misleading when people start claiming that calorie intake and output plays no role in body weight. Our bodies are more complex than mechanical devices, but they're still very much subject to the laws of physics.
Actually, I think the article (http://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/) Dow Jones posted makes that point quite clearly. It's not that "calories in/calories out" is false, but rather that it doesn't tell you much, and that to derive an actual weight control strategy, you need to know how each type of food affects your metabolism beyond just knowing its calorie count.
I.e. nobody (here) is saying caloric intake and output doesn't matter.
I wasn't disagreeing with the article or anyone here, simply expanding on my earlier comment about thermodynamics. I've come across multiple HAES advocates who claimed that weight loss is literally impossible for the majority of obese people, to the point where someone could consume nothing but water and somehow manage to maintain their current weight, or even gain weight.
Sorry if I was unclear.
I think it can be good for some people, but I personally cannot accept my appearance and believe I'm healthy as I am.
http://cwckiforums.com/threads/fat-acceptance-movement.2042/ (http://cwckiforums.com/threads/fat-acceptance-movement.2042/)
That forum is great in general for internet crazies, if you ask me.
I think it can be good for some people, but I personally cannot accept my appearance and believe I'm healthy as I am.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_dysmorphia
From what you've posted in the past, it sounds like either of these could apply to you.
Oh my god forums are still active about CWC...i thought that DIED and there was only stragglers that fapped to himFixed. Remove the "s" after the "http".
anyway this is relevant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqzUI5t9qJ4
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Knowing the glycemic impact rating of foods, too, is very helpful. More so than knowing just the calorie and/or carbohydrate content. But, yeah, as Mlle has pointed out, metabolism is a vastly complicated process, varies genetically by individual as to normative functioning, and there are a ton of things that affect it, like medications, environmental toxin exposures, and tumors that form on metabolically important glands, as happens in Cushing's Disease. Physical activity is inseparable from metabolism. It's the main reason metabolism exists; to provide the energy that cells and the body structures they form need to allow bodily movement and growth towards pursuing survival. So, when I read silly posts from the fringes about how exercise is oppressive....no. It is not. Take a walk or a wheelchair roll, or you will gradually kill off years of your inherited lifespan potential.
The crazy ones are just disgusting as Solar Pendra said. Like, the ones who gloat that they're getting more numerous and bigger as if that is a good thing, and that saying something even remotely negative about their body is "triggering", purely to avoid dissenting opinions rather than out of a legitimate mental case...
I'm 5'6" and 201 lbs. Under BMI I'm obese. If the Fat Acceptance movement was just about doing away with unrealistic standards such as the BMI, I'd be all for it. But nooo, they're all about forcing everybody to accept being morbidly obese and eating McDonald's every day.
I've got the opposite problem of most people. I'm 5'7" 110 lbs, and couldn't gain weight if my life depended on it. I knowI shouldn't complain, but it's just odd.
.......So what about the part where it's fighting against bullying fat people?
It's not just bullying, but it's bullying disguises as concern, which is 10 times worse because they feel morally justified in bullying others. There's also a disturbing amount of apologists for shaming. Their train of thought is that by treating those who have problems as pariahs, they can encourage others to be healthy. That's just wrong.
I wouldn't accept a anorexic acceptance group, I'm not a accepting a fat one either.
I wouldn't accept a anorexic acceptance group, I'm not a accepting a fat one either.
Of course. Putting yourself in other people's shoes is just too much work.
I wouldn't accept a anorexic acceptance group, I'm not a accepting a fat one either.
Of course. Putting yourself in other people's shoes is just too much work.
Ja.
At my heaviest about 4 years ago, I was around 310 pounds.
I wouldn't accept a anorexic acceptance group, I'm not a accepting a fat one either.
Of course. Putting yourself in other people's shoes is just too much work.
Ja.
At my heaviest about 4 years ago, I was around 310 pounds.
Oh I see, so it's projected self-loathing then?
I wouldn't accept a anorexic acceptance group, I'm not a accepting a fat one either.
Of course. Putting yourself in other people's shoes is just too much work.
Ja.
At my heaviest about 4 years ago, I was around 310 pounds.
Oh I see, so it's projected self-loathing then?
Sure if you consider the fact that I literally hated myself for not doing something about it sooner before I could actually feel the examples of what being overweight was doing to me like one of the examples I put in the post above me. Chances are I'll probably end up with problems later in life because of it.
So excuse me if I see the people behind this misguided at best if not actively encouraging people to their deaths at worst. Because ultimately? The complications will get you eventually.
I wouldn't accept a anorexic acceptance group, I'm not a accepting a fat one either.
Of course. Putting yourself in other people's shoes is just too much work.
Ja.
At my heaviest about 4 years ago, I was around 310 pounds.
Oh I see, so it's projected self-loathing then?
Sure if you consider the fact that I literally hated myself for not doing something about it sooner before I could actually feel the examples of what being overweight was doing to me like one of the examples I put in the post above me. Chances are I'll probably end up with problems later in life because of it.
So excuse me if I see the people behind this misguided at best if not actively encouraging people to their deaths at worst. Because ultimately? The complications will get you eventually.
At least tell me this - are you for or against stopping the bullying and harassment of fat and anorexic people?
I wouldn't accept a anorexic acceptance group, I'm not a accepting a fat one either.
Of course. Putting yourself in other people's shoes is just too much work.
Ja.
At my heaviest about 4 years ago, I was around 310 pounds.
Oh I see, so it's projected self-loathing then?
Sure if you consider the fact that I literally hated myself for not doing something about it sooner before I could actually feel the examples of what being overweight was doing to me like one of the examples I put in the post above me. Chances are I'll probably end up with problems later in life because of it.
So excuse me if I see the people behind this misguided at best if not actively encouraging people to their deaths at worst. Because ultimately? The complications will get you eventually.
At least tell me this - are you for or against stopping the bullying and harassment of fat and anorexic people?
Of course but I'm also a cynical bastard. How much closer are we to solving the problem of people shitting on each other due to something that should be a nonissue like skin color even after a movement toward that decades ago?
I wouldn't accept a anorexic acceptance group, I'm not a accepting a fat one either.
Of course. Putting yourself in other people's shoes is just too much work.
Ja.
At my heaviest about 4 years ago, I was around 310 pounds.
Oh I see, so it's projected self-loathing then?
Sure if you consider the fact that I literally hated myself for not doing something about it sooner before I could actually feel the examples of what being overweight was doing to me like one of the examples I put in the post above me. Chances are I'll probably end up with problems later in life because of it.
So excuse me if I see the people behind this misguided at best if not actively encouraging people to their deaths at worst. Because ultimately? The complications will get you eventually.
At least tell me this - are you for or against stopping the bullying and harassment of fat and anorexic people?
Wait wait wait wait wait... There are people who will pay money to watch you stuff your face like a greedy fat fuck?! And here I am doing it for free like a fucking moron.
Wait wait wait wait wait... There are people who will pay money to watch you stuff your face like a greedy fat fuck?! And here I am doing it for free like a fucking moron.
Only if you have a growing pot belly.
Feedism is pretty sinister, as it often involves a "feeder" -- someone who fetishizes overeating and extreme obesity, usually a man -- enabling an over-eater, or "feedee" (usually a woman) to gain hundreds of pounds. I recall one woman who has a goal weight of something like 1700lbs, who ran a fetish site and denied that she was unhealthy. She'd often post on Twitter about how she was still too skinny at 700+lbs. There were tons of men lining up to send her money for videos of her eating and egging her on to continue gaining weight, none caring that she's slowly killing herself. It's pretty fucked up.
^^ Susan Eman is the one I was thinking of. I saw a clip of her on Dr. Oz a while back -- even when confronted with her children fearing for her life and medical evidence that she's extremely unhealthy, she absolutely refuses to acknowledge that she has a problem. It's incredibly frustrating to watch.
You can see the episode here: http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/dying-be-fattest-woman-pt-1
Feedism is pretty sinister, as it often involves a "feeder" -- someone who fetishizes overeating and extreme obesity, usually a man -- enabling an over-eater, or "feedee" (usually a woman) to gain hundreds of pounds. I recall one woman who has a goal weight of something like 1700lbs, who ran a fetish site and denied that she was unhealthy. She'd often post on Twitter about how she was still too skinny at 700+lbs. There were tons of men lining up to send her money for videos of her eating and egging her on to continue gaining weight, none caring that she's slowly killing herself. It's pretty fucked up.
Feedism is pretty sinister, as it often involves a "feeder" -- someone who fetishizes overeating and extreme obesity, usually a man -- enabling an over-eater, or "feedee" (usually a woman) to gain hundreds of pounds. I recall one woman who has a goal weight of something like 1700lbs, who ran a fetish site and denied that she was unhealthy. She'd often post on Twitter about how she was still too skinny at 700+lbs. There were tons of men lining up to send her money for videos of her eating and egging her on to continue gaining weight, none caring that she's slowly killing herself. It's pretty fucked up.
You know, I admit that heavier women can be attractive. BUT THAT IS FUCKED UP!!!!!!
I agree with almost every post on this thread. I believe that the reason the Fat Acceptance movement has trouble gaining traction in the mainstream is that the good, bad, and ugly of the Fat Acceptance movement is really conflated.
It's so conflated that:
1.) The loud bad and ugly aspects of the Fat Acceptance movement greatly overshadow the more reasonable demands from the Fat Acceptance movement, and people think that is all the Fat Acceptance is about because of the "squeaky wheels".
2.) Whenever an overweight or obese person is harassed or discriminated against for being overweight, people don't take the allegation as seriously because of point number 1.
Like I said in the "Worst of Social Justice" thread, the bad parts of the Fat Acceptance movement cannot get all of society to conform to their viewpoints to such an extent that they never feel emotionally hurt or uncomfortable ever again. That is unreasonable. If the person has had traumatic experience(s) happen to him/her which affects the person's daily life activities, they should not go to Tumblr, they should go seek professional help.Feedism is pretty sinister, as it often involves a "feeder" -- someone who fetishizes overeating and extreme obesity, usually a man -- enabling an over-eater, or "feedee" (usually a woman) to gain hundreds of pounds. I recall one woman who has a goal weight of something like 1700lbs, who ran a fetish site and denied that she was unhealthy. She'd often post on Twitter about how she was still too skinny at 700+lbs. There were tons of men lining up to send her money for videos of her eating and egging her on to continue gaining weight, none caring that she's slowly killing herself. It's pretty fucked up.
Donna Simpson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Simpson_(internet_celebrity)) was one such woman. She aspired to be the world's heaviest woman until her fiancé dumped her. After getting dumped, Donna did some soul searching and realized that her goal would be a terrible burden to not only her health, but also her children. From there she began to get professional help in dieting, and weight/image issues.
Sadly, there are other challengers like Susan Eman (https://www.google.com/#q=susanne+eman) and Tammy Jung (https://www.google.com/#q=Tammy+Jung) who aspire to beat the record set by Carol Yager (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Yager), a woman who died at age 34 weighing 1200 lbs (over 545 Kg).
Some people have the willpower to starve themselves. Most people, thin or obese, do not.
Like many other forms of social justice, I think it's a good idea within reasonable parameters.
I think it's kinda dickish to call anorexics idiots. It a condition accompanied by a psychological disorder, it's not like people just decide one day to stop eating for the sheer fun of it. It's like calling someone who has depression an idiot for experiencing frequent sadness.
I think it's kinda dickish to call anorexics idiots. It a condition accompanied by a psychological disorder, it's not like people just decide one day to stop eating for the sheer fun of it. It's like calling someone who has depression an idiot for experiencing frequent sadness.
I think it's kinda dickish to call anorexics idiots. It a condition accompanied by a psychological disorder, it's not like people just decide one day to stop eating for the sheer fun of it. It's like calling someone who has depression an idiot for experiencing frequent sadness.
you know what, sleepy? you're right. that was uncalled for. i'll amend, but please read "anorexics" as "pro-ana" extremists. it's not the first time i rage against extremism here or on the fstdt boards, after all. it's almost my catchphrase.
It's like encouraging people to commit suicide.I think it's kinda dickish to call anorexics idiots. It a condition accompanied by a psychological disorder, it's not like people just decide one day to stop eating for the sheer fun of it. It's like calling someone who has depression an idiot for experiencing frequent sadness.
you know what, sleepy? you're right. that was uncalled for. i'll amend, but please read "anorexics" as "pro-ana" extremists. it's not the first time i rage against extremism here or on the fstdt boards, after all. it's almost my catchphrase.
Yeah, I definitely agree that pro-ana folks are idiots. Encouraging any sort of disorder like that is just plain wrong.
It's like encouraging people to commit suicide.I think it's kinda dickish to call anorexics idiots. It a condition accompanied by a psychological disorder, it's not like people just decide one day to stop eating for the sheer fun of it. It's like calling someone who has depression an idiot for experiencing frequent sadness.
you know what, sleepy? you're right. that was uncalled for. i'll amend, but please read "anorexics" as "pro-ana" extremists. it's not the first time i rage against extremism here or on the fstdt boards, after all. it's almost my catchphrase.
Yeah, I definitely agree that pro-ana folks are idiots. Encouraging any sort of disorder like that is just plain wrong.
Heavy persons should not be condemned to lives of opprobrium. It's short people we should voice disapproval of. It's a scientific fact that tallness equates with moral and intellectual superiority. Also, it's socially permissible to mutter at left-handed people. They hold writing implements in a funny way.
Heavy persons should not be condemned to lives of opprobrium. It's short people we should voice disapproval of. It's a scientific fact that tallness equates with moral and intellectual superiority. Also, it's socially permissible to mutter at left-handed people. They hold writing implements in a funny way.
Heavy persons should not be condemned to lives of opprobrium. It's short people we should voice disapproval of. It's a scientific fact that tallness equates with moral and intellectual superiority. Also, it's socially permissible to mutter at left-handed people. They hold writing implements in a funny way.
I'm a tall, right-handed blue-eyed American white boy who likes ladies.
Fuck all y'all bitches, I'm the worst human being in the world.
I'm a short, right-handed, blue-green hazel eye'd, blonde-haired, American white guy who likes guys. Both thin and big. And I'm a pagan.
I'm about as bad as y'all actually.
White, straight, cis, meat eating, tall, upper-middle class, trying to be a bodybuilder so I guess fit, english speaking male in college.
This puts me near the top of the shitlord hierarchy. Evil comes naturally to me.
Correct.
I wonder if Tumblr would try to play the whole thing as just my disability acting up and that I shouldn't be held responsible for any of my actions. I wonder how far they'd take that.
in other words, if you care about this enough to make a fool of yourself, you could probably stand to take a look at your life and figure out why you got angry about this and not about taxes.
That would be the fallacy of relative privation.
it all boils down to getting your order of importance straightened out. would society accepting different body shapes be cool? totally. before that, however, seeing as this movement will get massive resistance from your average joe ("but fat is icky!!" types), it might be easier to angle it from another direction: for example, rather than protesting and doing big walks, it might be better to start sensitization campaigns. stay hidden and plant the seeds in the shadows.
I suppose I should clarify. I sympathize with a few of the aims of the body positivity movement (being obese myself, and society loves to bully fat people and belittle the challenges we face when we attempt to lose weight), but I don't necessarily agree with every fringe offshoot of it.it all boils down to getting your order of importance straightened out. would society accepting different body shapes be cool? totally. before that, however, seeing as this movement will get massive resistance from your average joe ("but fat is icky!!" types), it might be easier to angle it from another direction: for example, rather than protesting and doing big walks, it might be better to start sensitization campaigns. stay hidden and plant the seeds in the shadows.
I strongly disagree. I cannot think of a single movement that has made any significant gains without firebrands. The firebrands are there to be in your face and force the public to at least confront the issue while the accommodationalists educate them further.