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[chitoryu12]

edit: turned it off, that should help, now you only have to deal with my horrific spelling

Oh shit.

[I am lizard]

edit: turned it off, that should help, now you only have to deal with my horrific spelling

Oh shit.

I still get the little red line whenever a word is badly spelled.
 

[I am lizard]

on the original topic:
i looked at the wiki article on hollow points and it confirms what i said.

[Askold]

Let's bring in a live example from Finland a day or two ago. Robber with a gun walks into a clock store and threatens the owner. Owner pulls out his own gun and threatens the robber. Robber runs away. (No information on wether the robbers gun was a toy or real. Perhaps he simply did not want to test his luck, after all even if the robber had time to fire a shot the other guy might have been alive long enough to shoot back. Also no information wether he ran like a little girl.)

My point is that a threat of force can be enough to disarm the situation and I simply think that it is crazy not to allow people to try to disarm the situation. (Well there is always talking as an option but "talk softly and carry a big stick" and so on.)

And if the robber/attacker is close when you need to draw the gun then getting it out for shooting at him takes just as long as getting it out for threatening him.

If on the other hand, you already have the gun out (for example, you heard your window shatter and picked up the gun) then why not announce the crook that you have a gun and will use it if they do not leave?

(also, I'm not saying that there is time for a warning shot every single time, or a safe direction to shoot it but I just think that IF it can be done it is a good idea because then you might be able to stop the attack before anyone needs to die. And if it is not enough then, you have a gun, just one less bullet.)

I've heard Hollow point is good for dwaling with attackers.

It's high lethality means you'll have an easier time dropping a drug crazed attacker.
In addition, the bullet tends not to penetrate all the way through
(I'm basically an armchair gun specialist, so correct me if I'm wrong)

These days hollow points are getting better, there used to be multiple occasions when they did not expand due to hitting a hard target or simply failing for reasons ...but even if it does fail to expand it still is a bullet so it hurts/kills. It just makes a smaller hole than it was supposed to.

The whole purpose of a hollow point is to expand into a mushroom shape and therefore make a bigger hole into the target. This also means that it stops faster than if it had been a non-expanding bullet. Usually this is a tradeoff between penetration and expansion.

[Art Vandelay]

My point is that a threat of force can be enough to disarm the situation and I simply think that it is crazy not to allow people to try to disarm the situation. (Well there is always talking as an option but "talk softly and carry a big stick" and so on.)

The problem there is that a chance to disarm is also a chance to shoot first. Just because it worked out for the best in this one case doesn't mean the perp will run rather than a take the first shot every single time. As such, it's extremely unreasonable to expect everyone in such a situation to take that chance. I know if I were in such a situation, there's no fucking way I'd even consider risking my own life just to give my assailant a chance to back off.

[chitoryu12]

Let's bring in a live example from Finland a day or two ago. Robber with a gun walks into a clock store and threatens the owner. Owner pulls out his own gun and threatens the robber. Robber runs away. (No information on wether the robbers gun was a toy or real. Perhaps he simply did not want to test his luck, after all even if the robber had time to fire a shot the other guy might have been alive long enough to shoot back. Also no information wether he ran like a little girl.)

And exactly what would have been the result if the robber's gun was real and he responded to the sight of a gun in his face by firing instead of fleeing?

My point is that a threat of force can be enough to disarm the situation and I simply think that it is crazy not to allow people to try to disarm the situation. (Well there is always talking as an option but "talk softly and carry a big stick" and so on.)

You make the threat of force or attempt to dissuade someone from taking action before they get to the point where they're a twitch away from putting a bullet in your eye or one lunge from a knife in your throat. If someone is getting uncomfortably close, you tell them to back up because you don't want them so close to you. If someone is following and harassing you, tell them loudly and firmly to get away from you; if necessary, tell them that you're legally armed. A store owner has fewer options because they can't be strongarming customers just for acting a little weird, but there's plenty of ways to avoid a situation before it occurs.

If on the other hand, you already have the gun out (for example, you heard your window shatter and picked up the gun) then why not announce the crook that you have a gun and will use it if they do not leave?

Most people do, and it's recommended that you do so. But if the guy is making any kind of threat toward you, it's usually going to be for the better to fire. If the situation has escalated to the point where aiming a lethal weapon at someone's head is the correct thing to do, you're now at the point where it can turn into a fight for your life; if the guy doesn't run as soon as he sees a gun coming out, there's a good chance he plans on fighting instead of fleeing.

[Random Gal]

Ahoy, me mateys! Be remindin' ye that today, September 19th, be International Talk Like A Pirate Day. Arrrrrrrrrr.

[Ghoti]

One of my wisdom teeth just erupted. "Erupted" is exactly the right word for it, because now my whole head hurts.

[SpaceProg]

Yep, they'll do that on ya.  Feel better soon, Dongy.  Aspirin or Tylenol is pretty much all I can suggest. :-/

[Ghoti]

Yep, they'll do that on ya.  Feel better soon, Dongy.  Aspirin or Tylenol is pretty much all I can suggest. :-/

Nah, the hospital put me on something stronger. I'm just waiting for it to kick in.

[SpaceProg]

Groovy.

[Ghoti]

Groovy.

Veeeeeerrry.

[Veras]

The last post in this thread was 15 days ago.  If the general rule for considering a thread dead is two weeks, does that mean that Ghoti actually killed Thread Killer?

[ironbite]

THREAD KILLER NEVER DIES!

[Ultimate Paragon]

That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.