Things That Annoy You

[lord gibbon]

Indeed, I've often been upset by settings that DO have absolute good and evil. It weakens story telling possibilities. And frankly, it makes no sense.

[Ironchew]

Yes, that spell will make you evil, because it is fueled by evil energies.

No, Paladin, you cannot just graciously accept Infernal Healing, it's fueled with evil energy and was created by Asmodeus, who is most likely an enemy of whatever deity you worship..

But isn't good entirely relative? Give me the infernal spawn for his first seven years, and I'll give you the infernal paladin.

Depends on the setting.

Roleplaying as anthropologists who are careful about their ethnocentrism after discovering a tribe of very devout, very myopic fundamentalists; a high concentration of whom are paladins.

[Witchyjoshy]

Indeed, I've often been upset by settings that DO have absolute good and evil. It weakens story telling possibilities. And frankly, it makes no sense.

I'm not fond of black and white settings, and indeed, D&D doesn't allow for that - that's why we have the Neutral alignments.

But when Evil and Good are forces, it doesn't make sense to say "Oh yeah, using evil energy isn't evil."

It might not be evil the first time, but evil energy is, since it's EVIL, corruptive.  And as such, will corrupt the user over time.

Alignment shifts exist for a reason ya know.

It's not like D&D/Pathfinder doesn't HAVE moral ambiguity - hell, even necromancy, despite having the [evil] tag on all of the cool spells, has some moral ambiguity because it deals with negative energy, not evil energy.  Yeah, there's a difference.

This is the same game that makes a distinction between light and holy.

But making EVERYTHING morally ambiguous is... well, honestly, it's even more cliche than making everything black and white anymore.

It's a fantasy game.  I don't want it to be like the real world.  Not everything needs to be deep.

[RavynousHunter]

"1041. Doesn’t matter if I’m just using it to spot weld, force lightning still gets me a dark side point."

[Witchyjoshy]

Emerald Fire, AKA, Jedi Lightning, would be the "Good" equivalent to Force/Sith Lightning.

But other than that, that's a stupid rule because at least two notable Jedi have used Force Lightning without tapping into the Dark Side.  One is Kyle Katarn.  The other is Luke Skywalker himself.  And I believe according to the novels, Jaden from Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy also did this, but he had doubts about it.

Though it's worth noting that Kyle managed to master both sides of the force and still remain on the light side, so... yeah.

Too bad he's non-canon now.

[RavynousHunter]

Considering the canon is largely shit anyways, I say we just discard it.

[Witchyjoshy]

Considering the canon is largely shit anyways, I say we just discard it.

Eh, Kyle Katarn is one of those characters I want to see brought back into the new canon.

Mainly because he's an awesome character.  He looks awesome, I like his voice, he's got quite the fleshed out backstory, and so forth.

Though his Dark Side path in Jedi Knight 1 is... WTF-inducing.  I mean, I've heard of "For the Evulz", but that's the kinda shit that would make Palpatine say "What the fuck is wrong with you?"

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Basically, he's given a deal for power, and is told by the villain to strike down his (Kyle's) girlfriend as his test.  In the Dark Side path, he rejects the offer because he refuses to be the villain's underling... then lightsabers his girlfriend anyways.

For the record, this was at an awkward age where they used live actors for the cutscenes.

[Sigmaleph]

But making EVERYTHING morally ambiguous is... well, honestly, it's even more cliche than making everything black and white anymore-

"Knowing only gray, you conclude that all grays are the same shade.  You mock the simplicity of the two-color view, yet you replace it with a one-color view..."

[Witchyjoshy]

But making EVERYTHING morally ambiguous is... well, honestly, it's even more cliche than making everything black and white anymore-

"Knowing only gray, you conclude that all grays are the same shade.  You mock the simplicity of the two-color view, yet you replace it with a one-color view..."

Whoa.

[Ironchew]

But making EVERYTHING morally ambiguous is... well, honestly, it's even more cliche than making everything black and white anymore-

"Knowing only gray, you conclude that all grays are the same shade.  You mock the simplicity of the two-color view, yet you replace it with a one-color view..."

I don't know where you get that. There are at least fifty shades that I know of...

::ducks::

[Second Coming of Madman]

A thing that annoys me is people who try to force total moral ambiguity into a setting where it doesn't make sense.

Such as a setting where "good" and "evil" are literal, tangible forces that can fuel magic and where For The Evulz is actually practical.

Yes, that spell will make you evil, because it is fueled by evil energies.

No, Paladin, you cannot just graciously accept Infernal Healing, it's fueled with evil energy and was created by Asmodeus, who is most likely an enemy of whatever deity you worship.

No, Good Cleric, you cannot cast the spell, your god doesn't grant that power because she is a good god and it is an evil power.

So I can't set children on fire if it's illegal? Aww, man. How else is Moloch the Intergalactic Tax Collector get his salary, then?

But punching a whale is not illegal. Spitting on babies is not illegal. Cussing in the presence of ladies is not illegal. Licking a brain is not illegal. Shaving people's cats is not illegal.

[TheUnknown]

I really don't like that breast cancer awareness commercial that begins with preteen girls chanting "we must increase our bust".  To me, it comes off as a very "save the boobies" type of campaign.

[Witchyjoshy]

The tendency of some SJW feminists to forget that it is actually possible for men to be harmed/marginalized by the patriarchy.

The tendency of some TERFs to mock anyone who points this out by trying to claim that they're blaming the matriarchy.

Okay no, that last one isn't annoying, it's hilarious.

[Kat S.]

I got stung by a hornet.  I was walking and it stung me on my upper back near my left shoulder.  I never saw it coming, only felt it stung me then saw it fly off.

[Witchyjoshy]

I got stung by a hornet.  I was walking and it stung me on my upper back near my left shoulder.  I never saw it coming, only felt it stung me then saw it fly off.

Hornets are bastards.