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Community => Politics and Government => Topic started by: Shane for Wax on March 01, 2012, 08:36:15 am
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http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/when-we-say-they-hate-women-we-mean-they-hate-women
So, Sandra Fluke---Georgetown law student---testified in front of Congress about using birth control and the expense.
Limbaugh: What does it say about the college co-ed Susan Fluke [sic] who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex. What does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She’s having so much sex she can’t afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex.
He can't even remember her actual first name. Way to go.
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Limbaugh must think that BC is some magic pill a women takes only when she is going to have sex.
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Limbaugh is projecting again. Just because he always has to pay (a lot) for any kind of sexual contact from anyone, he assumes everyone else thinks the same way he does.
So old men are "payed to have sex" via insurance-covered viagra, according to his logic? Speaking of which, Limpballs, was that viagra you got busted with on your return visit from the Dominican Republic, a place known for sex trafficking, covered by your insurance? Did the tax payers pay for you to have sex with unwilling underage foreigners?
Also, it's all moot. Birth control is used by many women for purposes other than sexual, not that it's any of your fucking business.
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ἀποθνήσκε ἐν πυρῷ, Mr. Limbaugh
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Let's play "Spot the Double Standard".
It makes her a slut, right?
She’s having so much sex she can’t afford the contraception.
Can you imagine how proud and empowered that same friend would be if she learned she has the ability to resist her own sexual urges?
If these co-eds really are this guy crazy, I should've gone to law school.
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(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/desk-flip-240x180.png)
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I'm pretty sure a slut is someone who likes to sleep around, not someone who is paid for sex. Get your derogatory terms straight, Rush!
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Open faced slut shaming from a right winger - why am I not surprised?
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Oh no. Women having sex. The horrors.
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/689/unamused1.jpg)
(http://www.reallyghey.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/330-bitch-please.jpg)
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Limbaugh must think that BC is some magic pill a women takes only when she is going to have sex.
Or that there are no reasons to use birth control other than "I want sex without babies." PMDD? Doesn't exist. Hormone-based depression? Haha, no.
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Limbaugh is projecting again. Just because he always has to pay (a lot) for any kind of sexual contact from anyone, he assumes everyone else thinks the same way he does.
So old men are "payed to have sex" via insurance-covered viagra, according to his logic? Speaking of which, Limpballs, was that viagra you got busted with on your return visit from the Dominican Republic, a place known for sex trafficking, covered by your insurance? Did the tax payers pay for you to have sex with unwilling underage foreigners?
Also, it's all moot. Birth control is used by many women for purposes other than sexual, not that it's any of your fucking business.
But that's different... Somehow.
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IT GETS BETTER!
He's also been quoted as saying he wants any woman who gets government BC to be...PORN STARS!
So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you Feminazis, here’s the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex. We want something for it. … We want you post the videos online so we can all watch.
Ironbite-ISN'T HE GREAT!?
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A clue bat isn't going to do if for someone like this. We need a clue bomb.
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IT GETS BETTER!
He's also been quoted as saying he wants any woman who gets government BC to be...PORN STARS!
So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you Feminazis, here’s the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex. We want something for it. … We want you post the videos online so we can all watch.
Ironbite-ISN'T HE GREAT!?
I imagined viagra popping Limbaugh in a porno.
Not a very good picture.
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IT GETS BETTER!
He's also been quoted as saying he wants any woman who gets government BC to be...PORN STARS!
So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you Feminazis, here’s the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex. We want something for it. … We want you post the videos online so we can all watch.
Ironbite-ISN'T HE GREAT!?
I imagined viagra popping Limbaugh in a porno.
Not a very good picture.
I hate you for that image.
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Ah slut shaming, never gets old. Possibly the only thing more acceptable is insulting fat people.
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I do love the leaps in logic these idiots take in a failed attempt to smokescreen their bigotry. Gays are asking for "special rights" when fighting for equal status in marriage, atheism is unconstitutional because freedom of religion doesn't include freedom from religion, and now women who want control over their own bodies are feminazi prostitutes.
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Porn stars. Don't forget porn stars.
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Of course. Feminazi porn star prostitutes. They're also probably communist Muslims.
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They are feminazi porn star prostitute atheist communist Hispanic Gay Muslims from China.
And they make under $25,000 a year.
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LESBIAN NAZI HOOKERS WHO WERE ABDUCTED BY UFOS AND FORCED INTO WEIGHT LOSS PROGRAMS - NEXT, ON "TOWN TALK"!!!
- From the Weird Al flick, UHF
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I am thinking Rush is regretting his statements and in light of Breitbarts "murder", he is getting rather jumpy.
PALM BEACH, Fla. -- The package sent to Rush Limbaugh's home was nothing more than "a business opportunity," WPBF 25 News' Ari Hait reported Thursday night.
The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office Bomb Squad was called to Limbaugh's Palm Beach home to assist the Palm Beach Police Department after the well-known radio host received a package from Pennsylvania earlier in the day.
A multitude of emergency vehicles rushed to the 1400 block of N. Ocean Blvd. before 6 p.m., where the conservative Limbaugh lives and does his popular radio show. His audience is so supportive of him that he has more than 101,000 Twitter followers despite not having sent a single Tweet.
http://www.wpbf.com/news/30582603/detail.html (http://www.wpbf.com/news/30582603/detail.html)
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IT GETS BETTER!
He's also been quoted as saying he wants any woman who gets government BC to be...PORN STARS!
So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you Feminazis, here’s the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex. We want something for it. … We want you post the videos online so we can all watch.
Ironbite-ISN'T HE GREAT!?
I tried to find an image in my picture collection that adequately expresses my speechless rage and thoughts of how the hell do you think that's a good idea to say . I couldn't find one so I'll use this instead:
(http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/6472/1248112445668.jpg)
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Not at all shocking, Rush proves again he's a douche.
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(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/689/unamused1.jpg)
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Please let this be a career killer...
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What are you, joking? This kind of shit's average for him.
EDIT: This is also normal for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSjbavwk2Kg
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Please let this be a career killer...
For the guy who gave us "feminazis"? Keep hoping.
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I sent an email to Mr. Limbaugh.
Dear Sir:
Your use of the word "slut" in a recent broadcast confuses me. I was brought up to believe that the word refers to a woman who has indiscriminate sex, but after hearing your comments regarding certain medications, I am beginning to suspect that the definition of the word has changed.
There is a story connected with this; it is a bit personal, but deeply relevant. When I began my early 20's, my monthly period went from being a minor inconvenience to a major problem. Most women have unpleasant (but mild) abdominal cramps; I was doubled over in pain. Most women feel a little tired or bloated; I was too dizzy to stand for more than 15 minutes at a time and had to spend most of the day lying down. This happened every month, and is referred to as premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD).
As a single woman living alone, I can't afford to leave such a problem untreated. My symptoms were so bad that, for one day a month, I was essentially bedridden. No employer would ever allow me to take a sick day every single month for this--I would lose my job, and in this economy, I would be extremely unlikely to get a new one.
There is exactly one form of medication that is successful at treating PMDD and allowing people like me to live a normal life: birth control pills.
And PMDD isn't exactly rare. Many American women, right now, are taking birth control pills to control its symptoms, and many of them are not sexually active. Some women are lucky; the $10/month generic pill works for them. However, for some women, the only effective treatments are $100/month. Many women cannot afford that expense. (It's not about cutting out non-essentials, either: we're talking about women who pay nothing but bills, and have to choose between rent, electricity, food, and medical treatment. That's not a choice anyone should have to make.)
I have taken birth control pills to treat my PMDD for almost two years now. During those two years, how many times have I had sex? ZERO. Zero times is about as non-promiscuous as you can get. But I want to keep my job, and to be a productive member of my workplace, so apparently "successful" and "independent" and "off welfare" is the new "slut." The word can't possibly have anything to do with sex, because I don't have sex at all.
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I sent an email to Mr. Limbaugh.
Dear Sir:
Your use of the word "slut" in a recent broadcast confuses me. I was brought up to believe that the word refers to a woman who has indiscriminate sex, but after hearing your comments regarding certain medications, I am beginning to suspect that the definition of the word has changed.
There is a story connected with this; it is a bit personal, but deeply relevant. When I began my early 20's, my monthly period went from being a minor inconvenience to a major problem. Most women have unpleasant (but mild) abdominal cramps; I was doubled over in pain. Most women feel a little tired or bloated; I was too dizzy to stand for more than 15 minutes at a time and had to spend most of the day lying down. This happened every month, and is referred to as premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD).
As a single woman living alone, I can't afford to leave such a problem untreated. My symptoms were so bad that, for one day a month, I was essentially bedridden. No employer would ever allow me to take a sick day every single month for this--I would lose my job, and in this economy, I would be extremely unlikely to get a new one.
There is exactly one form of medication that is successful at treating PMDD and allowing people like me to live a normal life: birth control pills.
And PMDD isn't exactly rare. Many American women, right now, are taking birth control pills to control its symptoms, and many of them are not sexually active. Some women are lucky; the $10/month generic pill works for them. However, for some women, the only effective treatments are $100/month. Many women cannot afford that expense. (It's not about cutting out non-essentials, either: we're talking about women who pay nothing but bills, and have to choose between rent, electricity, food, and medical treatment. That's not a choice anyone should have to make.)
I have taken birth control pills to treat my PMDD for almost two years now. During those two years, how many times have I had sex? ZERO. Zero times is about as non-promiscuous as you can get. But I want to keep my job, and to be a productive member of my workplace, so apparently "successful" and "independent" and "off welfare" is the new "slut." The word can't possibly have anything to do with sex, because I don't have sex at all.
I love you so much right now.
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TheL, you're awesome :) :)
And if I recall, one of the reasons why Miss Fluke was petitioning Georgetown Law School to cover birth control was for a friend of hers who needed it to prevent the growth of ovarian cysts. The school didn't cover it and her friend ended up losing at least an ovary :(. Just another story that the birth control medication has far more applications than exclusively inhibiting pregnancy.
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I sent an email to Mr. Limbaugh.
Dear Sir:
Your use of the word "slut" in a recent broadcast confuses me. I was brought up to believe that the word refers to a woman who has indiscriminate sex, but after hearing your comments regarding certain medications, I am beginning to suspect that the definition of the word has changed.
There is a story connected with this; it is a bit personal, but deeply relevant. When I began my early 20's, my monthly period went from being a minor inconvenience to a major problem. Most women have unpleasant (but mild) abdominal cramps; I was doubled over in pain. Most women feel a little tired or bloated; I was too dizzy to stand for more than 15 minutes at a time and had to spend most of the day lying down. This happened every month, and is referred to as premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD).
As a single woman living alone, I can't afford to leave such a problem untreated. My symptoms were so bad that, for one day a month, I was essentially bedridden. No employer would ever allow me to take a sick day every single month for this--I would lose my job, and in this economy, I would be extremely unlikely to get a new one.
There is exactly one form of medication that is successful at treating PMDD and allowing people like me to live a normal life: birth control pills.
And PMDD isn't exactly rare. Many American women, right now, are taking birth control pills to control its symptoms, and many of them are not sexually active. Some women are lucky; the $10/month generic pill works for them. However, for some women, the only effective treatments are $100/month. Many women cannot afford that expense. (It's not about cutting out non-essentials, either: we're talking about women who pay nothing but bills, and have to choose between rent, electricity, food, and medical treatment. That's not a choice anyone should have to make.)
I have taken birth control pills to treat my PMDD for almost two years now. During those two years, how many times have I had sex? ZERO. Zero times is about as non-promiscuous as you can get. But I want to keep my job, and to be a productive member of my workplace, so apparently "successful" and "independent" and "off welfare" is the new "slut." The word can't possibly have anything to do with sex, because I don't have sex at all.
I could hug you right now.
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And you will get no responce. Of if you do, it'll be used in a segment of his show belittling you or something.
Ironbite-still...*hugs TheL*
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And you will get no responce. Of if you do, it'll be used in a segment of his show belittling you or something.
Ironbite-still...*hugs TheL*
He lives in Palm Beach. I could always pay the fucker a visit.
And no, there would be no sex or violence involved. *shudders at the very thought* I'd just give him a piece of my mind.
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And you will get no responce. Of if you do, it'll be used in a segment of his show belittling you or something.
Ironbite-still...*hugs TheL*
He lives in Palm Beach. I could always pay the fucker a visit.
And no, there would be no sex or violence involved. *shudders at the very thought* I'd just give him a piece of my mind.
I'd give him a knife to the skull. But I neither live near him nor want his blood on any of my beloved knives.
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So many kudos for that e-mail, L.
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Rush defends his earlier statements, multiple times. And then continues to repeatedly insult her some more for good measure. (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201203010012)
HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS GUY IS A DEGENERATE LOWLIFE
Right wing media outlets come out in support of his comments. (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201203020007)
Meanwhile, President Obama calls Sandra Fluke to thank her for speaking out on behalf of women. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/02/1070235/-President-Obama-calls-Sandra-Fluke-target-of-Rush-Limbaugh-s-misogynist-rant-to-offer-his-support?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos%29)
Something I did not realize until now. The woman that Rush attacked was the same woman that was denied a chance to speak at that Darrel Issa's all-male committee a couple weeks ago.
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Yeah when Rush found out Obama called her, he imeediatly told her parents to disconnect the phone, go into hiding, and feel shame for their daughter.
Ironbite-because....why not?
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at one point asking Fluke: "Who bought your condoms in sixth grade?"
I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean. She was a slut when she was 11? An age where most sexual contact would take the form of molestation?
"all the women at Georgetown University as much aspirin to put between their knees as possible."
Only if you stuff some between your lips.
welfare disguised as women's health. Or women's reproductive rights."
It is about women's reproductive rights, jackass. No one should be allowed to force their religious agenda on another human being, and it's no mystery why we don't see anywhere near as much controversy regarding things like Viagra.
try to cast Republicans in an election year as anti-female."
Rush, darling, the Dems don't need to do anything to make you lot look like misogynists -- you're doing a fine job of that yourselves.
He went on to say that if his daughter had testified that "she's having so much sex she can't pay for it and wants a new welfare program to pay for it," he'd be "embarrassed" and "disconnect the phone," "go into hiding," and "hope the media didn't find me."
If I had you as a father, I'd already be in hiding.
"I do not hate women."
Just the uppity bitches who step out of line, right?
Limbaugh went on to say that Fluke testified that her "sex life is active. She's having sex so frequently that she can't afford all the birth-control pills that she needs. That's what she's saying."
No, it means that she's engaging in some form of sexual contact with another person. How often she does that is none of your damn business.
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My girlfriend needs it for her own host of problems that have nothing to do with birth control. I think Rushbo and his ilk need to go on the all-soap diet: clean out those filthy mouths.
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You know my reaction to this shit at first was kinda like this:
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5222/20687da95ae334546ef87a3.png)
Now it's more like I seriously want to see this wretched piece of worthless biomass killed in a horrible, painful way. Likewise to many who agree with him. Like I said before, I don't want his horrid blood on my knives though.
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There are people in comment boards defending Rush. Jesus Christ (and for real, WWJD?).
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What are you, joking? This kind of shit's average for him.
EDIT: This is also normal for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSjbavwk2Kg
Hmm, another one for Ching Chong (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChingChong), thanks.
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Sometimes, to fight a monster, you need a monster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwtsVX3DjC0
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I think my dad told me he stopped listening to Rush Limbaugh a while ago. I'm glad of that. He still listens to Sean Hannity, though. I think.
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Sometimes, to fight a monster, you need a monster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwtsVX3DjC0
I just gave you a Fuck Yeah for that. I couldn't think of a more appropriate fate short of Rush being attacked by sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads.
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So, I'm watching Fox news, and I realized something; conservatives are constantly misstating Sandra Fluke's name. Limbaugh called her Susan, Bret Baier called her Sarah, and O'Reilly has called her Sandra Fluke about a half dozen times just now. I wonder if there is some reason for this, or if I'm just grasping at straws.
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I think my dad told me he stopped listening to Rush Limbaugh a while ago. I'm glad of that. He still listens to Sean Hannity, though. I think.
Sean Hannity is a whiny bitch whose very voice seriously aggravates me. That high-pitched nasal whine he calls a voice... then again, I feel like my own voice is like that. But at least I don't spout stupid shit daily about the evils of the left "destroying America" and other empty platitudes that conservitards spout on a daily basis. For all that, however, he will never, ever reach the level of sheer offensiveness that is Rush Limbaugh.
Rush Limbaugh is a shit-stain on the world of American politics. He is a racist, misogynistic piece of shit, who routinely distorts facts or flat-out ignores them in favor of whatever anti-liberal point he's trying to make that day, be it gay bashing, racism, woman-hating, etc. Of course, I suppose I can understand Rush's hate for these people, because no gay guy would touch him, nor would any woman of any racial background. Not willingly. He reminds me of Jabba the Hutt in several ways. When he opens his mouth, I can hear the sweat he works up sustaining the effort of movement. His breath probably smells of the death of a thousand pizzas and he looks like that's his daily consumption. When he waddles his fat carcass down the street, a crew of concrete layers needs to repair the sidewalk behind him. When he eats at a restaurant, the silverware, tablecloth, table, and booth he sits at must be destroyed. His gravitational pull fucks up bird migration patterns. His chair at his radio station smells of death and decay, and his stench+breath make him a CR 16 in the D&D Monster Manual. Hurtling him into the sun would decrease our greenhouse gas emissions by 5%.
Also, my dad listens to his show religiously. As if you needed any more of a reason to hate this vapid, drug-addled waste of carbon.
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Limbaugh went on to say that Fluke testified that her "sex life is active. She's having sex so frequently that she can't afford all the birth-control pills that she needs. That's what she's saying."
What...what does this even mean? You don't need more birth control just cause you're having more sex. This doesn't make any sense.
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The pig shit is losing sponsors over this. (http://www.politicususa.com/en/limbaugh-loses-sponsers-oporn)
Also, Sandra Fluke, the woman who Limbaugh attacked, received a personal call from Obama waiting for an interview with MSNBC to show he supported her (http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/02/10563272-obama-calls-sandra-fluke-offers-support).
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Which got her more heat from Limburger.
Ironbite-I don't think the GOP who've chosen to fight this fight understand it too well.
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Limbaugh went on to say that Fluke testified that her "sex life is active. She's having sex so frequently that she can't afford all the birth-control pills that she needs. That's what she's saying."
What...what does this even mean? You don't need more birth control just cause you're having more sex. This doesn't make any sense.
Don't you know? Each pill is specifically calibrated to one man's sperm. Y'know, just like condoms are.
The pig shit is losing sponsors over this. (http://www.politicususa.com/en/limbaugh-loses-sponsers-oporn)
Clearly a liberal conspiracy to persecute good, honest, Christian soldiers, such as dudes who cheat on their first two wives, get addicted to pain pills, and lack any sympathy for their fellow man. Just like the good book says.
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Limbaugh went on to say that Fluke testified that her "sex life is active. She's having sex so frequently that she can't afford all the birth-control pills that she needs. That's what she's saying."
What...what does this even mean? You don't need more birth control just cause you're having more sex. This doesn't make any sense.
Well, since Rush himself would need more pills (in his case, Viagra) to have more sex, maybe he thinks it works that way for women? *shrugs* ???
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I'd rather just pretend that Limbaugh has never, ever had sex. Christ, imagine that... thing thrusting and grunting on top of you, sweat pouring down his vein-bulged face, his... oh god, I have to go vomit, brb
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This is the head of the Republican party, fellahs. This is where the party of Lincoln and Eisenhower has found itself.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06ThiLZtkrY
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I'd rather just pretend that Limbaugh has never, ever had sex. Christ, imagine that... thing thrusting and grunting on top of you, sweat pouring down his vein-bulged face, his... oh god, I have to go vomit, brb
I hate you for that image.
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I'd rather just pretend that Limbaugh has never, ever had sex. Christ, imagine that... thing thrusting and grunting on top of you, sweat pouring down his vein-bulged face, his... oh god, I have to go vomit, brb
I hate you for that image.
Conjuring up vivid mental images is my job, damn it. I don't recall ever outsourcing it to Canada. :P
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06ThiLZtkrY
Oh fuck Patrica Heaton. Seriously.
Ironbite-she's a bitch.
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You're not the only one who ended up conjuring that mental image. gye's link (currently returning a 500 error) did a fine job conjuring it too.
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Sometimes, to fight a monster, you need a monster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwtsVX3DjC0
I just gave you a Fuck Yeah for that. I couldn't think of a more appropriate fate short of Rush being attacked by sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads.
Although, to be honest, Joffrey would probably give Rush a job.
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Limbaugh 'apologizes' (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/03/us-usa-contraception-limbaugh-idUSTRE8220T220120303)
And when I say apologize I mean continues being a douchebag.
"My choice of words was not the best." Seriously?!
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Limbaugh 'apologizes' (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/03/us-usa-contraception-limbaugh-idUSTRE8220T220120303)
And when I say apologize I mean continues being a douchebag.
"My choice of words was not the best." Seriously?!
Implying that his meaning was the same.
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I listened to his rant, and is it just me or does Rush seem to think that a woman who takes oral hormonal contraceptives must take a pill each time they have sex? Um....Rush.....perhaps if you had ever had sex with an actual woman you would know that it just doesn't work that way.
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https://www.facebook.com/CarboniteOnlineBackup/posts/10150573840040976
A Statement from David Friend, CEO of Carbonite:
“No one with daughters the age of Sandra Fluke, and I have two, could possibly abide the insult and abuse heaped upon this courageous and well-intentioned young lady. Mr. Limbaugh, with his highly personal attacks on Miss Fluke, overstepped any reasonable bounds of decency. Even though Mr. Limbaugh has now issued an apology, we have nonetheless decided to withdraw our advertising from his show. We hope that our action, along with the other advertisers who have already withdrawn their ads, will ultimately contribute to a more civilized public discourse.”
...wow.
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https://www.facebook.com/CarboniteOnlineBackup/posts/10150573840040976
A Statement from David Friend, CEO of Carbonite:
“No one with daughters the age of Sandra Fluke, and I have two, could possibly abide the insult and abuse heaped upon this courageous and well-intentioned young lady. Mr. Limbaugh, with his highly personal attacks on Miss Fluke, overstepped any reasonable bounds of decency. Even though Mr. Limbaugh has now issued an apology, we have nonetheless decided to withdraw our advertising from his show. We hope that our action, along with the other advertisers who have already withdrawn their ads, will ultimately contribute to a more civilized public discourse.”
...wow.
(http://fail.brm.sk/approval/applause.gif)
I'd have been a bit more blunt than he was and just told Limbaugh go fuck himself. If they back up Limbaugh's files they should insert a virus into them (insert trollface).
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https://www.facebook.com/CarboniteOnlineBackup/posts/10150573840040976
A Statement from David Friend, CEO of Carbonite:
“No one with daughters the age of Sandra Fluke, and I have two, could possibly abide the insult and abuse heaped upon this courageous and well-intentioned young lady. Mr. Limbaugh, with his highly personal attacks on Miss Fluke, overstepped any reasonable bounds of decency. Even though Mr. Limbaugh has now issued an apology, we have nonetheless decided to withdraw our advertising from his show. We hope that our action, along with the other advertisers who have already withdrawn their ads, will ultimately contribute to a more civilized public discourse.”
...wow.
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/041/4/0/Star_Trek__Scotty_Approved_by_JudiHyuga.jpg)
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Is it a good thing that advertisers can censor political thought?
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Is it a good thing that advertisers can censor political thought?
I thought this was just an advertiser deciding that they no longer wanted to spend their money on a specific entertainer because of things he said on a show that they fear will impact their sales through guilt by association.
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According to boycottrush.org, he's losing sponsors left and right.
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Rachel Maddow is a beautiful human being. (http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-maddow-show/46610339#46610339)
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Is it a good thing that advertisers can censor political thought?
I thought this was just an advertiser deciding that they no longer wanted to spend their money on a specific entertainer because of things he said on a show that they fear will impact their sales through guilt by association.
Aye, it's not censorship.
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Is it a good thing that advertisers can censor political thought?
They're not preventing him from expressing his views, so I'm not sure how this qualifies as censorship. They have the same freedom of expression as he does, after all, and it's not like speech rights include receiving money from businesses so you can have your own radio show.
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If all of his show's advertisers left tomorrow, what would happen?
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(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljt8olfevS1qfb18wo1_500.png)
Poor wittle bigot and misogynist would have to use his own money-woney to support his own and show. Poor thing. The man's not poor. He can easily cover the cost. It's not censorship.
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Fred, I think we all know what the consequences would be, and that the power that large corporations wield over the media is a bad thing. If you're going to question the fairness of sponsors pulling support, however, you also need to consider whether or not it's fair that Rush was given this support in the first place, allowing him to rise to a position where he can reach a much larger audience than the average person. It seems to me that the latter is much closer to the heart of the issue.
What you're referring to here is ultimately a greater societal issue, one which goes well beyond the scope of one man losing advertiser support for his radio show.
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If all of his show's advertisers left tomorrow, what would happen?
He could go stand on a street corner with a sign and start shouting, just like anybody else in America.
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If he did that for more than an hour, he'd die of a heart attack from the exertion, and his carcass would leave a festering sinkhole that would force the city to evacuate.
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If he did that for more than an hour, he'd die of a heart attack from the exertion, and his carcass would leave a festering sinkhole that would force the city to evacuate.
Like I said of Andrew Breitbart recently: in the immortal words of Eddie Valiant (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096438/), "you need a heart before you can have an attack".
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He has a heart, it's a black hole. Like in FOP.
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Patricia Heaton (actress from "Everyone Loves Raymond" and "The Middle") decides she's going to jump on the slut shaming bandwagon with Rush.
All I have to say fuck off, you bitch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06ThiLZtkrY
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If all of his show's advertisers left tomorrow, what would happen?
He'd lose his job.
Ironbite-cause that's what this is, a job that he's paid to do.
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So Patricia Heaton is just as bitchy as her character?
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Pretty much.
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Well let's just find out how Rush's words are affecting people.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/04/1070800/-I-ve-spent-the-past-2-days-trying-to-convince-my-16-y-o-she-is-not-a-slut
She was speaking but it wasn't making sense- who said this? What are you talking about? For a minute we were talking over each other and finally I said just get in the car and tell me what is going on! She handed me a wrinkled piece of paper. I could tell it had been opened and closed, folded and unfolded wadded up and straightened out so many times it almost looked like it was going to fall apart in my hands.
Little miss innocent, huh? Whatever slut- you take birth control pills so you can f*&# every guy in school! What a joke- u are nothin but a whore! Pretty bad when some guy on the radio who isn't afraid to tell the truth has to break it down for everybody- if u on the Pill u are nothing but a skank ass ho! My mom said girls on the pill are tramps who just wanna get laid and don't care about nothin- is that how u are?
I thought I was going to throw up! I was crying- crying for my sweet daughter who was in a puddle on the front seat of my car, crying because I was so angry I didn't know what to do first! I drove home with one arm around my daughter and one hand on the wheel; I was saying things but for the life of me I can't remember any of what I said now. I just wanted to take the pain away from my child! I wanted to make her stop crying, wanted to erase all the horrible pain that she was feeling.
So yeah. Because of Rush's words, we got another case of high school bullying. Because because a girl has HEALTH PROBLEMS she's a slut and whore.
Ironbite-hate these people.
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I read this on Facebook. Fuck rush and his slut shamming. Slut shaming leads to bullying, and I can't stand behind that.
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Well let's just find out how Rush's words are affecting people.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/04/1070800/-I-ve-spent-the-past-2-days-trying-to-convince-my-16-y-o-she-is-not-a-slut
She was speaking but it wasn't making sense- who said this? What are you talking about? For a minute we were talking over each other and finally I said just get in the car and tell me what is going on! She handed me a wrinkled piece of paper. I could tell it had been opened and closed, folded and unfolded wadded up and straightened out so many times it almost looked like it was going to fall apart in my hands.
Little miss innocent, huh? Whatever slut- you take birth control pills so you can f*&# every guy in school! What a joke- u are nothin but a whore! Pretty bad when some guy on the radio who isn't afraid to tell the truth has to break it down for everybody- if u on the Pill u are nothing but a skank ass ho! My mom said girls on the pill are tramps who just wanna get laid and don't care about nothin- is that how u are?
I thought I was going to throw up! I was crying- crying for my sweet daughter who was in a puddle on the front seat of my car, crying because I was so angry I didn't know what to do first! I drove home with one arm around my daughter and one hand on the wheel; I was saying things but for the life of me I can't remember any of what I said now. I just wanted to take the pain away from my child! I wanted to make her stop crying, wanted to erase all the horrible pain that she was feeling.
So yeah. Because of Rush's words, we got another case of high school bullying. Because because a girl has HEALTH PROBLEMS she's a slut and whore.
Ironbite-hate these people.
Someone please kill this fucking asshole. Causing pain and suffering of a child for shit this retarded is unacceptable. The worst part is I bet Limbaugh would personally say it to her face. Words can't express my RAGE right now.
I read this on Facebook. Fuck rush and his slut shamming. Slut shaming leads to bullying, and I can't stand behind that.
You mean you stood behind it before?
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Dear Rush Limbaugh,
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lazu1f8Gbw1qdtmwjo1_400.gif)
Sincerely, Shane (and Frankie)
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My mom said
Worst reason to rag on some one ever?
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Well let's just find out how Rush's words are affecting people.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/04/1070800/-I-ve-spent-the-past-2-days-trying-to-convince-my-16-y-o-she-is-not-a-slut
She was speaking but it wasn't making sense- who said this? What are you talking about? For a minute we were talking over each other and finally I said just get in the car and tell me what is going on! She handed me a wrinkled piece of paper. I could tell it had been opened and closed, folded and unfolded wadded up and straightened out so many times it almost looked like it was going to fall apart in my hands.
Little miss innocent, huh? Whatever slut- you take birth control pills so you can f*&# every guy in school! What a joke- u are nothin but a whore! Pretty bad when some guy on the radio who isn't afraid to tell the truth has to break it down for everybody- if u on the Pill u are nothing but a skank ass ho! My mom said girls on the pill are tramps who just wanna get laid and don't care about nothin- is that how u are?
I thought I was going to throw up! I was crying- crying for my sweet daughter who was in a puddle on the front seat of my car, crying because I was so angry I didn't know what to do first! I drove home with one arm around my daughter and one hand on the wheel; I was saying things but for the life of me I can't remember any of what I said now. I just wanted to take the pain away from my child! I wanted to make her stop crying, wanted to erase all the horrible pain that she was feeling.
So yeah. Because of Rush's words, we got another case of high school bullying. Because because a girl has HEALTH PROBLEMS she's a slut and whore.
Ironbite-hate these people.
Congrats, Rush, you've succeeded in outsourcing your bullying, you heartless fuck.
You mean you stood behind it before?
I very sincerely doubt that that's what he meant.
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You mean you stood behind it before?
Um, no. ???
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What you're referring to here is ultimately a greater societal issue, one which goes well beyond the scope of one man losing advertiser support for his radio show.
That's exactly my point. A lot of people here seem to be celebrating this 'victory' over conservatism, even though the means of the 'win' will cement it far more solidly than mere Rush Limbaugh's voice, powerful as it may be.
In fact, it appears that a couple of people below continue to miss the point. If a corporation can get people fired for saying the wrong thing, they'll stop saying it. Journalists like being paid.
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Many journalists have been fired for things they've said. It looks badly on the company and on the advertisers. It's simple business practice.
It's not a case of someone being fired for being gay or being Christian. It has to do with being so offensive and verbally abusive that they are damaging the image of their company and their sponsors.
Or are we going to defend Gilbert Gottfried who played the voice of Iago from Aladdin and was the Aflac duck? We all remember all the offensive stuff he's said about George Takei and that got him fired from Aflac.
It may not seem fair but it's what happens. If you're going to be so offensive and rotten to people, you damn well better be prepared to get slapped for it.
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Many journalists have been fired for things they've said.
For example, 'climate change is happening'. Or 'Evil Corporation did this bad thing'. If corporations have the power of enforcement of the laws of acceptable speech, they will use them in order to further their own interests.
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Many journalists have been fired for things they've said.
For example, 'climate change is happening'. Or 'Evil Corporation did this bad thing'. If corporations have the power of enforcement of the laws of acceptable speech, they will use them in order to further their own interests.
So what do you want to do Fred, put Rush on PBS?
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Many journalists have been fired for things they've said.
For example, 'climate change is happening'. Or 'Evil Corporation did this bad thing'. If corporations have the power of enforcement of the laws of acceptable speech, they will use them in order to further their own interests.
Thanks for cherry-picking what I said.
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.....oh Fred's on a crazy spree. I'll ignore.
Ironbite-it's safer for my sanity.
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Many journalists have been fired for things they've said.
For example, 'climate change is happening'. Or 'Evil Corporation did this bad thing'. If corporations have the power of enforcement of the laws of acceptable speech, they will use them in order to further their own interests.
So what do you want to do Fred, put Rush on PBS?
End corporate control of the media by ending all forms of advertising.
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Oh yes that'll fix EVERYTHING!
Ironbite-I think it's time to ignore ol' Freddy from here on out.
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Please attempt to make some kind of argument. That's literally all I ask. You can make up lies about me, or insult me or whatever- so long as you automatically dismiss everything I say on some defensible rational basis, not just because you don't like me. And I really don't think that's unreasonable.
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End corporate control of the media by ending all forms of advertising.
I don't think that will change much. Media companies will still need funding, and if that comes from the government, then the media will simply become pro-state.
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While I agree that corporate influence over the media is troubling on a grand scale, it's rather difficult not to feel a twinge of satisfaction at the irony of a corporate brown-noser like Limbaugh experiencing the sort of problems that people like him try to downplay in their support of uber-capitalism.
As for dealing with the issue of corporatism, ending advertising is a rather unrealistic solution, both in its over-simplicity and the unlikeliness of our culture cottoning on to the idea.
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End corporate control of the media by ending all forms of advertising.
I don't think that will change much. Media companies will still need funding, and if that comes from the government, then the media will simply become pro-state.
Before advertising, media was funded through sales. It is also not true that, say, the BBC or the ABC (Australian) is reflexively pro-state. In fact, the ABC is one of the most relentless critics of the current Australian government.
It is, in fact, possible to establish independent media, even where the government attempts to influence that media. If we established some kind of really independent ABC board- particularly if governments did not control the purse strings (and systematically underfund the ABC by about 75% over the course of two decades).
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Many journalists have been fired for things they've said.
For example, 'climate change is happening'. Or 'Evil Corporation did this bad thing'. If corporations have the power of enforcement of the laws of acceptable speech, they will use them in order to further their own interests.
So what do you want to do Fred, put Rush on PBS?
End corporate control of the media by ending all forms of advertising.
Ony if you're happy paying for all the media you take in. Personally, I like having radio, when I'm driving.
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Many journalists have been fired for things they've said.
For example, 'climate change is happening'. Or 'Evil Corporation did this bad thing'. If corporations have the power of enforcement of the laws of acceptable speech, they will use them in order to further their own interests.
So what do you want to do Fred, put Rush on PBS?
End corporate control of the media by ending all forms of advertising.
Once again you are not listening and being very extreme about this. This doesn't have anything to do with the scenarios you're throwing up. This has to do with a creature (I won't call him a man) using his place as a talk show host, who has been given far too much money and too much of an audience, to be downright despicable towards other people.
I already explained to you why companies were backing out from supporting his toxic vitriol.
Also do me a favor and stop switching point tactics.
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Once again you are not listening and being very extreme about this. This doesn't have anything to do with the scenarios you're throwing up. This has to do with a creature (I won't call him a man) using his place as a talk show host, who has been given far too much money and too much of an audience, to be downright despicable towards other people.
I already explained to you why companies were backing out from supporting his toxic vitriol.
Also do me a favor and stop switching point tactics.
While I disagree with Fred about removing advertising from media, he does have a point about allowing corporations to control what is on the airways. We all agree Rush is (being polite since this is not F&B) a piece of trash and what he said was inhuman. But what is next? Do we remove a (real) journalist who did an interview with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad about his denial of the Holocaust? Or a reporter in rural Mississippi who did a story showing the negative consequences of the recent "personhood amendment" on their ballot?
I really dislike using the slippery slope, but I do think this is a time to bring it up. Rush SHOULD be removed from the airways and I cannot see how anyone can agree with him. On the other hand, there are people out there who truly believe that abortion is the worst sin out there, and would be just as outraged at the hypothetical reporter's story.
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I refuse to reply to a slippery slope argument used in this type of discussion.
I will however point out once again that they're not preventing a damn thing. They're not stifling a damn thing. To make it seem as such is dishonest.
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Corporations care about looking good to their customers. Say a majority of X corporation's customers are anti-abortion, but A, B, and C are more geared toward people who tend to be pro-choice. All four have advertising on a particular program, and the journalist makes a pro-choice statement. I see nothing wrong with X withdrawing their support so they don't lose their customers. A, B, and C's customers don't care, so they continue buying advertising on the journalist's program and the show goes on.
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Well let's just find out how Rush's words are affecting people.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/04/1070800/-I-ve-spent-the-past-2-days-trying-to-convince-my-16-y-o-she-is-not-a-slut
She was speaking but it wasn't making sense- who said this? What are you talking about? For a minute we were talking over each other and finally I said just get in the car and tell me what is going on! She handed me a wrinkled piece of paper. I could tell it had been opened and closed, folded and unfolded wadded up and straightened out so many times it almost looked like it was going to fall apart in my hands.
Little miss innocent, huh? Whatever slut- you take birth control pills so you can f*&# every guy in school! What a joke- u are nothin but a whore! Pretty bad when some guy on the radio who isn't afraid to tell the truth has to break it down for everybody- if u on the Pill u are nothing but a skank ass ho! My mom said girls on the pill are tramps who just wanna get laid and don't care about nothin- is that how u are?
I thought I was going to throw up! I was crying- crying for my sweet daughter who was in a puddle on the front seat of my car, crying because I was so angry I didn't know what to do first! I drove home with one arm around my daughter and one hand on the wheel; I was saying things but for the life of me I can't remember any of what I said now. I just wanted to take the pain away from my child! I wanted to make her stop crying, wanted to erase all the horrible pain that she was feeling.
So yeah. Because of Rush's words, we got another case of high school bullying. Because because a girl has HEALTH PROBLEMS she's a slut and whore.
Ironbite-hate these people.
I want to go to the school, find those bullies, and rip their tongues out.
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I'm glad Rush has been loosing funding/corporate sponsors over this. I read that Proflowers (and some others) aren't really buying the apology, which I think is awesome. However, as someone who's used Proflowers in the past, I am saddened that they ever sponsored that shit bag to begin with. Makes me want to start taking inventory on which corporations are supporting which hate radio shows, so that I can choose their competition instead.
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I'd like to point out that Rush hasn't been fired from anything, his sponsors have simply pulled their funding. He still has some sponsors. He can, if need be, get new ones by being quiet for a change. Someone who is deliberately dishonest (not one part of Ms. Fluke's testimony was about sex) and abusive should not be allowed free reign. His free speech isn't being stifled if one avenue has suddenly shrunk.
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Here's a list of Limbaugh's current sponsors, in case anyone is interested in voicing their disdain and/or boycotting:
Lending Tree: 704-541-5351
Web Form Email: http://www.lendingtree.com
Life Quotes: 800-670-5433
e-Harmony: 626-795-4814; Fax: 626-585-4040
usersupport@eharmony.com
OnStar: 800-947-AUTO
Hotwire Corporate Headquarters: 877-468-9473
333 Market Street, Suite 100, San Francisco, CA 94105
advertising@hotwire.com
CARBONITE, Inc.: 617-587-1100 NO LONGER ADVERTISING
177 Huntington Avenue, Boston, MA 02115
david.friend@carbonite.com
Direct Dial Office: 617-587-1100 EXT:1115
Select Comfort: 763-551-7460 NO LONGER ADVERTISING
d/b/a Sleep Number Bed: 800-438-2233
Oreck Corporation: 800-289-5888
100 Plantation Road, New Orleans, Louisiana 70123
Quicken Loans NO LONGER ADVERTISING
1050 Woodward Ave.
Detroit, MI. 48226
800-863-4332
Smart & Final, Customer Relations
PO Box 512377, Los Angeles, CA 91001-0377
(Heard on KFI 640 in Los Angeles)
AutoZone Inc.: 901-495-7185; Fax: 901-495-8374
P.O. Box 2198, Memphis, TN 38101
investor.relations@autozone.com
Mission Pharmacal (Citrical): 800-531-3333
P.O. Box 786099, San Antonio, TX 78278-6099
Sleep Train NO LONGER ADVERTISING
800-919-2337
customerservice@sleeptrain.com
LegalZoom NO LONGER ADVERTISING
800-773-0888; Fax: 323-962-8300
Site has a Web Form
Blue-Emu: 800-432-9334
ProFlowers NO LONGER ADVERTISING
800-580-2913
wecare@customercare.proflowers.com
Citrix Online (GoToMyPC) NO LONGER ADVERTISING
6500 Hollister Avenue, Goleta, CA 93117
Phone: 805-690-6400; Fax: 805-690-6471
info@citrixonline.com
American Forces Network
Contact Us: @MyAFN.net
http://myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/…
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Does the NO LONGER ADVERTISING mean that they still support Rush's show but are no longer publicly admitting that they do?
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You can tell some of their responses are based only on customer feedback and they probably couldn't care less about what was actually said.
I did like this one response, though:
'One company, Carbonite, a data backup service, said feedback from customers led to the decision to remove advertising from Limbaugh's show. The company's CEO said Limbaugh's apology Saturday wasn't enough to put his company's ads back on the air.
"No one with daughters the age of Sandra Fluke, and I have two, could possibly abide the insult and abuse heaped upon this courageous and well-intentioned young lady," Carbonite CEO David Friend said. "Mr. Limbaugh, with his highly personal attacks on Miss Fluke, overstepped any reasonable bounds of decency. Even though Mr. Limbaugh has now issued an apology, we have nonetheless decided to withdraw our advertising from his show. We hope that our action, along with the other advertisers who have already withdrawn their ads, will ultimately contribute to a more civilized public discourse."'
Clear Channel, my already favorite pile of suck on toast, stands behind Limbaugh 100% though ...and as before, they can go suck donkey, just like the 'music' they push.
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Does the NO LONGER ADVERTISING mean that they still support Rush's show but are no longer publicly admitting that they do?
It means they have pulled their ads for future (or in some cases, demanded immediate pulling). Those lists are generally only updated monthly, other than notations (such as NO LONGER ADVERTISING). Media companies buy bi-weekly or monthly blocks
ETA: None of the remaining companies are represented by my agency. Also, we have been known to pull ads over things like this, even if the client doesn't request it.
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CARBONITE, Inc.: 617-587-1100 NO LONGER ADVERTISING
177 Huntington Avenue, Boston, MA 02115
david.friend@carbonite.com
Direct Dial Office: 617-587-1100 EXT:1115
*smirks at Rush* I'd like to see him frozen in carbonite.
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Here's a list of Limbaugh's current sponsors, in case anyone is interested in voicing their disdain and/or boycotting:
Oreck Corporation: 800-289-5888
100 Plantation Road, New Orleans, Louisiana 70123
AutoZone Inc.: 901-495-7185; Fax: 901-495-8374
P.O. Box 2198, Memphis, TN 38101
investor.relations@autozone.com
According to http://leftaction.com/action/boycott-rush, AutoZone has never been a Limbaugh sponsor and Oreck had dropped their support before this incident.
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CARBONITE, Inc.: 617-587-1100 NO LONGER ADVERTISING
177 Huntington Avenue, Boston, MA 02115
david.friend@carbonite.com
Direct Dial Office: 617-587-1100 EXT:1115
*smirks at Rush* I'd like to see him frozen in carbonite.
His fat ass would get stuck as the lift lowered into the chamber.
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CARBONITE, Inc.: 617-587-1100 NO LONGER ADVERTISING
177 Huntington Avenue, Boston, MA 02115
david.friend@carbonite.com
Direct Dial Office: 617-587-1100 EXT:1115
*smirks at Rush* I'd like to see him frozen in carbonite.
Maybe he was frozen...or at least his idol anyway...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeLrlmV9A-s
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Many journalists have been fired for things they've said.
For example, 'climate change is happening'. Or 'Evil Corporation did this bad thing'. If corporations have the power of enforcement of the laws of acceptable speech, they will use them in order to further their own interests.
So what do you want to do Fred, put Rush on PBS?
End corporate control of the media by ending all forms of advertising.
Once again you are not listening and being very extreme about this. This doesn't have anything to do with the scenarios you're throwing up. This has to do with a creature (I won't call him a man) using his place as a talk show host, who has been given far too much money and too much of an audience, to be downright despicable towards other people.
I already explained to you why companies were backing out from supporting his toxic vitriol.
Also do me a favor and stop switching point tactics.
And once again you have completely ignored what I wrote. It is not a good thing that Limbaugh is being effectively punished by corporations- even if, this time, their agenda is neutral (avoid embarrassing ties to an idiot). It simply reinforces their control over what the media can and cannot say.
What if next time a journalist wants to write about how bad the advertiser is? It's now an established fact that a corporation can get a journalist fired, or a show cancelled.
(Edited for less swearing)
While I disagree with Fred about removing advertising from media,
I should be clear- I want to end all forms of advertising, not just TV and radio spots. I think they're probably the worst modern market failure, something that creates significant costs* without providing a benefit. Please do not use the broken window fallacy here.
* The purpose of advertising is to crush innovation. All established corporations have the same ad budget, so they cancel each other out in the long run. But new, innovative industries- a good example is modern power plants- can not afford an ad budget at all. So the old, less efficient, big companies- which would, in a perfect market, go out of business- crush the small, more efficient, companies with advertising. It slants the scales in favour of market share- and market share is not a measure of merit.
The other easy target is the government, which is usually not allowed to use advertising. In Australia, an entire government was brought down by the inefficient energy sector using nothing but their competitive advantage in advertising.
So that's a major cost. Where's the benefit?
I really dislike using the slippery slope,
There is no slippery slope. Corporations are using advertising to regulate speech right now. What journalists write is influenced by the companies that advertising with them- right now.
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What do you mean, a corporation can get a journalist fired or a show cancelled? Has that actually happened, or are you basing it on the Limbaugh situation? I find it hard to believe that anything short of Limbaugh's vitriol would be enough to get EVERY corporation involved to withdraw support. If one corporation drops them, they can find another.
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CARBONITE, Inc.: 617-587-1100 NO LONGER ADVERTISING
177 Huntington Avenue, Boston, MA 02115
david.friend@carbonite.com
Direct Dial Office: 617-587-1100 EXT:1115
*smirks at Rush* I'd like to see him frozen in carbonite.
Maybe he was frozen...or at least his idol anyway...
...
Must... resist...
GAH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC8zz95rm8s
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What do you mean, a corporation can get a journalist fired or a show cancelled? Has that actually happened, or are you basing it on the Limbaugh situation? I find it hard to believe that anything short of Limbaugh's vitriol would be enough to get EVERY corporation involved to withdraw support. If one corporation drops them, they can find another.
This right here is why we can't debate you Fred. You take the weirdest and asinine positions and can't even really give us a reason to find merit in them.
Ironbite-seriously, what world do you live in?
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What do you mean, a corporation can get a journalist fired or a show cancelled? Has that actually happened, or are you basing it on the Limbaugh situation? I find it hard to believe that anything short of Limbaugh's vitriol would be enough to get EVERY corporation involved to withdraw support. If one corporation drops them, they can find another.
Usually journalists self-censor. But overt advertising censorship happens as well. Phil Donahue was fired for opposing the Iraq War because their advertisers stood to earn a lot of money.
There are many other examples (quoting wikipedia):
"The US company Chrysler, before it merged with Daimler Benz had its agency (PentaCom) send out a letter to numerous magazines, demanding that they send an overview of all the topics before the next issue was published, to “avoid potential conflict”. Chrysler most of all wanted to know if there would be articles with “sexual, political or social” content, or which could be seen as “provocative or offensive”. PentaCom executive David Martin said: “Our reasoning is, that anyone looking at a 22.000 $ product would want it surrounded by positive things. There is nothing positive about an article on child pornography.”[34] In another example, the USA Network held top-level‚ off-the-record meetings with advertisers in 2000 to let them tell the network what type of programming content they wanted in order for USA to get their advertising.”[35] Television shows are created to accommodate the needs of advertising, e.g. splitting them up in suitable sections. Their dramaturgy is typically designed to end in suspense or leave an unanswered question in order to keep the viewer attached."
Edited to ad:
A couple of old ones, from when Mother Jones was starting. They had a long debate as to whether to run a series of ads about the dangers of cigarettes, thinking they'd need advertising from those companies to continue. They ran it, the cigarette companies boycotted them and they nearly went bankrupt.
"the Chairman of General Electric called the President of NBC News after the 1987 stock market crash and told him not to use words in their reporting that would adversely affect GE stock."
" the Dallas Morning News, (...) fired Earl Golz for writing a story about an imminent bank failure that outraged the owners of the Abilene National Bank. Golz' story proved true -- the bank crashed a few weeks later -- but Golz' was not rehired."
"Journalist Elizabeth Whelan asked ten major women's magazines to run a series of articles on the rise of smoking-related diseases in women; all ten magazines refused. Reason: "I frequently wrote on health topics for women's magazines," says Whelan, "and have been told repeatedly by editors to stay away from the subject of tobacco." (20)"
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-liberalmedia.htm
If you give people the power of censorship they will use it to further their own interests. If we gave the government the right to decide what was acceptable speech, nobody would even be talking about this, it would be assumed.
This right here is why we can't debate you Fred. You take the weirdest and asinine positions and can't even really give us a reason to find merit in them.
Ironbite-seriously, what world do you live in?
I demand that you make a rational case. I demand it. You do not have the right to dismiss things I say without actually making a case. That's dishonest.
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Many journalists have been fired for things they've said.
For example, 'climate change is happening'. Or 'Evil Corporation did this bad thing'. If corporations have the power of enforcement of the laws of acceptable speech, they will use them in order to further their own interests.
So what do you want to do Fred, put Rush on PBS?
End corporate control of the media by ending all forms of advertising.
Once again you are not listening and being very extreme about this. This doesn't have anything to do with the scenarios you're throwing up. This has to do with a creature (I won't call him a man) using his place as a talk show host, who has been given far too much money and too much of an audience, to be downright despicable towards other people.
I already explained to you why companies were backing out from supporting his toxic vitriol.
Also do me a favor and stop switching point tactics.
And once again you have completely ignored what I wrote. It is not a good thing that Limbaugh is being effectively punished by corporations- even if, this time, their agenda is neutral (avoid embarrassing ties to an idiot). It simply reinforces their control over what the media can and cannot say.
What if next time a journalist wants to write about how bad the advertiser is? It's now an established fact that a corporation can get a journalist fired, or a show cancelled.
(Edited for less swearing)
Whoa there bucky boy. There is no censorship and no stopping of words. He's also not necessarily a journalist he's a pundit. There is a difference.
Like I said before and you keep fucking missing and cherry-picking out: If you are a spiteful, horrible, hateful person you should expect backlash for things you say.
It's like saying because I don't get a product from a company because they don't trust sending their products out to reviewers anymore that I'm being silenced. I'm not being prevented from buying their product and saying anything about it. They're just not giving me support.
As was mentioned, he wasn't even fired. He just had funds pulled. It would be like me being supported by 1-800-flowers to write something and be able to publish it without pulling money from my own pocket. Yet then I say something rather hateful towards an entire demographic they can pull that funding because it makes them look bad. There would still not be censorship.
For god's sakes make up your mind. Argue about how corporations shouldn't do it at all or whether they shouldn't pick and choose who they support.
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There is no censorship and no stopping of words.
What do you call it when someone else tries to fire you for saying things?
Like I said before and you keep fucking missing and cherry-picking out: If you are a spiteful, horrible, hateful person you should expect backlash for things you say.
I don't disagree. But the means of that backlash are reinforcing reactionary conservative, and that's bad.
As was mentioned, he wasn't even fired.
So the backlash was not entirely successful. Your point?
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Wow, it is amazing how stupid Shane's posts are...
...when you cut and paste them in precisely the order you did.
The fact that you do this is why I will not attempt a rational conversation with you.
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I took out the substantive parts. It's called a Fisk, a very common format in online rebuttal (after Robert Fisk).
What did I cut out (bolded)?
Whoa there bucky boy. There is no censorship and no stopping of words. He's also not necessarily a journalist he's a pundit. There is a difference.
A meaningless difference in the context of this argument.
Like I said before and you keep fucking missing and cherry-picking out: If you are a spiteful, horrible, hateful person you should expect backlash for things you say.
It's like saying because I don't get a product from a company because they don't trust sending their products out to reviewers anymore that I'm being silenced. I'm not being prevented from buying their product and saying anything about it. They're just not giving me support.
Nevertheless, that relationship gives power to one group. That's the point.
As was mentioned, he wasn't even fired. He just had funds pulled. It would be like me being supported by 1-800-flowers to write something and be able to publish it without pulling money from my own pocket. Yet then I say something rather hateful towards an entire demographic they can pull that funding because it makes them look bad. There would still not be censorship.
Irrelevant.
For god's sakes make up your mind. Argue about how corporations shouldn't do it at all or whether they shouldn't pick and choose who they support.
There is no contradiction.
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Corporations can support whoever the fuck they want. They can also expect to be boycotted or receive backlash if the people disagree with their actions. However, it is perfectly acceptable for a corporation to pull sponsorship from a show that they find morally offensive. It's called freedom of speech. Those corporations can express it how they want, even if it means cutting sponsorship and giving Limbaugh a verbal bitch-slap.
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Corporations can support whoever the fuck they want. They can also expect to be boycotted or receive backlash if the people disagree with their actions. However, it is perfectly acceptable for a corporation to pull sponsorship from a show that they find morally offensive. It's called freedom of speech. Those corporations can express it how they want, even if it means cutting sponsorship and giving Limbaugh a verbal bitch-slap.
And that is exactly the problem. If you want to set up, or maintain a profitable media enterprise, you have to do what corporations want you to- whether that be being respectful to women or not talking about cigarettes. Because they are the source of your money.
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Corporations can support whoever the fuck they want. They can also expect to be boycotted or receive backlash if the people disagree with their actions. However, it is perfectly acceptable for a corporation to pull sponsorship from a show that they find morally offensive. It's called freedom of speech. Those corporations can express it how they want, even if it means cutting sponsorship and giving Limbaugh a verbal bitch-slap.
And that is exactly the problem. If you want to set up, or maintain a profitable media enterprise, you have to do what corporations want you to- whether that be being respectful to women or not talking about cigarettes. Because they are the source of your money.
And this is a bad thing because...?
I don't see how this is any different than the public backlash that occurs when someone goes off the deep end and says something ridiculous.
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I love how Fred completely ignored my entire post.
OK, let's say we do what Fred suggests and eliminate advertising. Guess what? People would still be fired for whistleblowing and going against the company line. Does advertising make it easier? Sure it does. Does it cause it, or is it the most important factor? No.
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There is no censorship and no stopping of words.
What do you call it when someone else tries to fire you for saying things?
Like I said before and you keep fucking missing and cherry-picking out: If you are a spiteful, horrible, hateful person you should expect backlash for things you say.
I don't disagree. But the means of that backlash are reinforcing reactionary conservative, and that's bad.
As was mentioned, he wasn't even fired.
So the backlash was not entirely successful. Your point?
I am no longer going to discuss anything with you. Also, you're doing fisking wrong. But thanks for trying. Goodbye.
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Corporations can support whoever the fuck they want. They can also expect to be boycotted or receive backlash if the people disagree with their actions. However, it is perfectly acceptable for a corporation to pull sponsorship from a show that they find morally offensive. It's called freedom of speech. Those corporations can express it how they want, even if it means cutting sponsorship and giving Limbaugh a verbal bitch-slap.
And that is exactly the problem. If you want to set up, or maintain a profitable media enterprise, you have to do what corporations want you to- whether that be being respectful to women or not talking about cigarettes. Because they are the source of your money.
And this is a bad thing because...?
Personally, I'd like a media that informs people in a reasonably unbiased way.
I love how Fred completely ignored my entire post.
You made no substantively unique argument.
People would still be fired for whistleblowing and going against the company line.
At no point did I say that advertising was the only problem with the media, just the worst.
Does it cause it, or is it the most important factor? No.
I disagree. Advertising is a key or the key factor in the media's conservative bias.
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then you might want to live in a world that's not here.
Ironbite-cause that's fantasy and will never actually happen.
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Corporations can support whoever the fuck they want. They can also expect to be boycotted or receive backlash if the people disagree with their actions. However, it is perfectly acceptable for a corporation to pull sponsorship from a show that they find morally offensive. It's called freedom of speech. Those corporations can express it how they want, even if it means cutting sponsorship and giving Limbaugh a verbal bitch-slap.
And that is exactly the problem. If you want to set up, or maintain a profitable media enterprise, you have to do what corporations want you to- whether that be being respectful to women or not talking about cigarettes. Because they are the source of your money.
And this is a bad thing because...?
Personally, I'd like a media that informs people in a reasonably unbiased way.
So would I, but being perfectly unbiased does not have much basis in the human condition. As long as the media is run by humans there will be some bias in it that reflects the cultural climate, whether it is run by corporations, governments, or influenced by the people. But you never bring that part up.
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Corporations can support whoever the fuck they want. They can also expect to be boycotted or receive backlash if the people disagree with their actions. However, it is perfectly acceptable for a corporation to pull sponsorship from a show that they find morally offensive. It's called freedom of speech. Those corporations can express it how they want, even if it means cutting sponsorship and giving Limbaugh a verbal bitch-slap.
And that is exactly the problem. If you want to set up, or maintain a profitable media enterprise, you have to do what corporations want you to- whether that be being respectful to women or not talking about cigarettes. Because they are the source of your money.
And this is a bad thing because...?
Personally, I'd like a media that informs people in a reasonably unbiased way.
So would I, but being perfectly unbiased does not have much basis in the human condition. As long as the media is run by humans there will be some bias in it that reflects the cultural climate, whether it is run by corporations, governments, or influenced by the people. But you never bring that part up.
Like I said- reasonably unbiased. Some things are more honest than others, even if nothing is truly independent. You can say that Soviet or Nazi propaganda is worse than, say, PBS. So things can be better than other things.
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Corporations can support whoever the fuck they want. They can also expect to be boycotted or receive backlash if the people disagree with their actions. However, it is perfectly acceptable for a corporation to pull sponsorship from a show that they find morally offensive. It's called freedom of speech. Those corporations can express it how they want, even if it means cutting sponsorship and giving Limbaugh a verbal bitch-slap.
And that is exactly the problem. If you want to set up, or maintain a profitable media enterprise, you have to do what corporations want you to- whether that be being respectful to women or not talking about cigarettes. Because they are the source of your money.
And this is a bad thing because...?
Personally, I'd like a media that informs people in a reasonably unbiased way.
So would I, but being perfectly unbiased does not have much basis in the human condition. As long as the media is run by humans there will be some bias in it that reflects the cultural climate, whether it is run by corporations, governments, or influenced by the people. But you never bring that part up.
Like I said- reasonably unbiased. Some things are more honest than others, even if nothing is truly independent. You can say that Soviet or Nazi propaganda is worse than, say, PBS. So things can be better than other things.
I think you're still missing the point. Stations have the right to broadcast anything they want (with few exceptions - explicitly advocating violence, for example). That includes the possibility of corporate sponsors backing or not backing the stations that say the things they want to hear. That's not censorship, that's a company using its own profits to support a viewpoint they like. Or yanking it if it turns out the pundit on the station is a douchenozzle. Basically, freedom of speech.
The problem with getting the government involved in what's "biased" and what's "neutral" is that they'll always make sure that what's "neutral" reflects their own interests (or the interests of the corporations who own the lawmakers), and play off anything that goes against what the government wants people to believe as "biased." I don't trust the government with deciding what's acceptable thought and what's not, especially considering the menagerie of beasties in office right now.
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So, Lt. Fred, sorry if I'm doubling up, I havn't read the whole thread, but simple question, in Austraia, we have the ABC, similar to the British BBC. Both are paid for by government funding, they are not commercial stations, and, therefore, immune to commercia pressures in your theory. Do you think they are not going to have pundits just going through this precise thing?
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So, Lt. Fred, sorry if I'm doubling up, I havn't read the whole thread, but simple question, in Austraia, we have the ABC, similar to the British BBC. Both are paid for by government funding, they are not commercial stations, and, therefore, immune to commercia pressures in your theory. Do you think they are not going to have pundits just going through this precise thing?
Indeed we do. The ABC does feel pressure to trend right, chiefly from the government and other right-wing media (Murdock!). But it is absolutely not at all influenced by corporate pressure. Not the smallest bit. And it has a meaningful impact on what the ABC will broadcast or print online. The SBS is even better, BBC better than that (because the government has no control over their funding).
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So, Lt. Fred, sorry if I'm doubling up, I havn't read the whole thread, but simple question, in Austraia, we have the ABC, similar to the British BBC. Both are paid for by government funding, they are not commercial stations, and, therefore, immune to commercia pressures in your theory. Do you think they are not going to have pundits just going through this precise thing?
Indeed we do. The ABC does feel pressure to trend right, chiefly from the government and other right-wing media (Murdock!). But it is absolutely not at all influenced by corporate pressure. Not the smallest bit. And it has a meaningful impact on what the ABC will broadcast or print online. The SBS is even better, BBC better than that (because the government has no control over their funding).
The ABC does trend to the right (NT intervention, Afghanistan, Iraq), but so does the BBC. Look at their coverage of the riots in London last year, the Jody McIntyre incident and their coverage of the WMD crap in Iraq.
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I'm curious about how you propose we go about removing all forms of advertising, Fred. I mean, tobacco companies are barred from advertising their products, and they still manage to find ways to get exposure.
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Leela: Didn't you have ads in the 21st century?"
Fry: Well sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio. And in magazines. And movies, and at ball games... and on buses and milk cartons and t-shirts, and bananas and written on the sky. But not in dreams, no siree.
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So, Lt. Fred, sorry if I'm doubling up, I havn't read the whole thread, but simple question, in Austraia, we have the ABC, similar to the British BBC. Both are paid for by government funding, they are not commercial stations, and, therefore, immune to commercia pressures in your theory. Do you think they are not going to have pundits just going through this precise thing?
Indeed we do. The ABC does feel pressure to trend right, chiefly from the government and other right-wing media (Murdock!). But it is absolutely not at all influenced by corporate pressure. Not the smallest bit. And it has a meaningful impact on what the ABC will broadcast or print online. The SBS is even better, BBC better than that (because the government has no control over their funding).
The ABC does trend to the right (NT intervention, Afghanistan, Iraq), but so does the BBC. Look at their coverage of the riots in London last year, the Jody McIntyre incident and their coverage of the WMD crap in Iraq.
Dropped Kerry O'brien have they?
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Relevant:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-5-2012/extremely-loud---incredibly-gross
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Can I just say I love Jon Stewart?
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No, you can't. :P
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http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/409941/march-05-2012/rush-limbaugh-apologizes-to-sandra-fluke
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Rachel Maddow did a good piece on Rush, and she brings up an interesting point. Others have mentioned it, but she spent a lot of time on it. Does Rush not know how birth control pills work and how they are used?
I cannot get the clip to embed correctly, but it can be found here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#46610339). Her discussion of it starts about 5:30.
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Nope. None of these idiots know how Birth Control pills work.
Ironbite-probably think it's just like Viagra or something.
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Women in a long term, monogamous relationship on the Pill use precisely the same number of pills as the town bike who sleeps with two different guys a night.
I'm, really, quite stunned by the way the pundits are going on about this.
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^^ I'm not trying to start anything here, but: As long as we keep referring to women who engage in sexual activities with multiple partners as "the town bike", et al., we're enabling scumbags like Limbaugh to continue spewing misogynist crap.
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^^ I'm not trying to start anything here, but: As long as we keep referring to women who engage in sexual activities with multiple partners as "the town bike", et al., we're enabling scumbags like Limbaugh to continue spewing misogynist crap.
I'm sorry, I was trying to illustrate the percieved opposite ends of the spectrum both use the same amount of birth control, so all this slut shaming that goes on towards women discussing birth control, without further information, is pure strawmanning.
I'm sorry if anyone thought my phrasing was innappropriate.
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I'm sorry if anyone thought my phrasing was innappropriate.
No offense, but this is kind of a responsibility-shifting apology.
The kind I'd expect to hear from Rush Limbaugh.
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I'd like someone to invent a porno where "the town bike" was a phrase applied literally.
I mean, they did one with vacuum cleaners (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/bj/tcs/30985-oversexed-rugsuckers-from-mars), so I don't think bicycles are outside the realm of possibility.
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Porn peddlers peddling pedal porn? My life is complete.
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Just thought this was an interesting comment
The use of birth control pills to control other medical issues is a tiny minority compared to the number who use them to control their own reproduction. At least Rush seems to understand what the fight is about – sex – even if he is fighting in the most foul way for the wrong side. The fact that a minuscule group of women want access to birth control for reasons other than controlling their own reproduction is a red herring. We don’t want health insurance to cover birth control for a the paltry few who need it for secondary benefits. We want it covered so that women can have sex without becoming pregnant before they are ready.
All this talk about a small number of women who use birth control for secondary purposes due to rare conditions (compared to unintended pregnancy) is so far off the mark it’s almost duplicitous. Worse, it suggests that there is some kind of common ground that can be negotiated where women who need the birth control for medical issues unrelated to pregnancy are covered, but women who just want to be able to have sex without getting pregnant are not.
Rush is a slimeball, but in this case when right-wingers try to make the conversation all about sex we do ourselves a disservice to say, “Nah-ah. There is also a statistically irrelevant minority of women who use the pills for reasons totally unrelated to sex.” It’s like arguing that slavery is wrong because some of the slaves probably have cancer.
It’s about sex. Say so. And then shame those fuckers for acting like schoolchildren tittering about peepees and hoohas while the grownups are trying to protect the health of the American people.
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Source?
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I don't know why people keep saying some women take BC for health reasons, because it honestly shouldn't matter. Whether a doctor prescribes it for BC or as medicine, insurance needs to cover it.
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One thing that is rattling around in my head about this.
Rush is looking at this as if all law students are unmarried and sleeping around. I can tell you first-hand that that is far from the truth. Several of my classmates are married and have been for years. (A good friend of mine is an ordained minister. He and his wife have a 12-year old daughter.) Are married students supposed to "keep an aspirin between their knees"? Are married couples supposed to post videos of themselves?
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I've always thought that controlling reproduction is as valid a medial reason for using medication as using it for premenstrual conditions, acne control, etc.
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Well it looks like Rush's show will not be making any money from syndication the next two weeks. It was announced that all national ads during his show have been suspended for that time. The local stations that carry him will have to fill in those spots with local ads or PSAs. The national ads are the way the show makes money for syndication.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/03/13/Limbaugh-syndicator-cancels-national-ads/UPI-95391331621100/?spt=hs&or=tn (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/03/13/Limbaugh-syndicator-cancels-national-ads/UPI-95391331621100/?spt=hs&or=tn)
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2012/03/12/443195/breaking-rush-limbaugh-syndicator-suspends-national-ads-for-two-weeks/ (http://thinkprogress.org/media/2012/03/12/443195/breaking-rush-limbaugh-syndicator-suspends-national-ads-for-two-weeks/)
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Well that's one source of income gone, though 2 weeks is still a drop in the hat. All that needs to happen now is for radio stations to drop him as well. I heard Huckabee (http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/03/11/david-frum-mike-huckabee-brings-on-rush-limbaugh-s-decline.html) has a show now.
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I don't know why people keep saying some women take BC for health reasons, because it honestly shouldn't matter. Whether a doctor prescribes it for BC or as medicine, insurance needs to cover it.
Well, here's the thing.
Insurance covers Viagra. Viagra has no medical purpose other than helping men maintain an erection. There is nothing whatsoever controversial about covering Viagra.
The idea of covering birth control pills is controversial. BCPs have been found to treat medical conditions such as endometriosis, PMDD, ovarian cysts, and other reproductive health issues, in addition to its original purpose of preventing the conception of unwanted children.
So, it's ok to pay for men to have sex, by covering a pill that literally does nothing else, but it's not ok to pay for women to have sex, by covering a pill that can also treat fairly serious medical conditions.
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I don't know why people keep saying some women take BC for health reasons, because it honestly shouldn't matter. Whether a doctor prescribes it for BC or as medicine, insurance needs to cover it.
Well, here's the thing.
Insurance covers Viagra. Viagra has no medical purpose other than helping men maintain an erection. There is nothing whatsoever controversial about covering Viagra.
The idea of covering birth control pills is controversial. BCPs have been found to treat medical conditions such as endometriosis, PMDD, ovarian cysts, and other reproductive health issues, in addition to its original purpose of preventing the conception of unwanted children.
So, it's ok to pay for men to have sex, by covering a pill that literally does nothing else, but it's not ok to pay for women to have sex, by covering a pill that can also treat fairly serious medical conditions.
Actually, Viagra was originally intended to deal with heart problems, so there is that. (I'm certainly not defending Rush or those like him, though. ::) )
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I don't know why people keep saying some women take BC for health reasons, because it honestly shouldn't matter. Whether a doctor prescribes it for BC or as medicine, insurance needs to cover it.
Well, here's the thing.
Insurance covers Viagra. Viagra has no medical purpose other than helping men maintain an erection. There is nothing whatsoever controversial about covering Viagra.
The idea of covering birth control pills is controversial. BCPs have been found to treat medical conditions such as endometriosis, PMDD, ovarian cysts, and other reproductive health issues, in addition to its original purpose of preventing the conception of unwanted children.
So, it's ok to pay for men to have sex, by covering a pill that literally does nothing else, but it's not ok to pay for women to have sex, by covering a pill that can also treat fairly serious medical conditions.
There have been further studies with Viagra actually. A notable example is the fact that it's been shown to help with jet lag/prevention of pulmonary edemas. As well as pulmonary hypertension. So it isn't just for those who can't 'get it up'. However, I recognize your point and I certainly wouldn't think that's why Rush-y uses it. Not to mention, I would think most would use it for ED rather than the other uses.
Like Rat, I'm not defending Rush and his ilk.
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Ugh, the bit about how a thousand dollars in contraceptives works out to having sex 3 times a day based on the cost of condoms, when the issue has nothing to do with condoms.
And he just keeps bringing up the condoms, over and over again. He has no clue what birth control is.
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When is the Army going to drop him? They've been subsidising reactionary conservatism long enough.
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When is the Army going to drop him? They've been subsidising reactionary conservatism long enough.
There's a petition right now for it. It's here (http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/6676/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=9841). There's a similar one on change.org I think.
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Viagra isn't actually used for heart problems. I mean, the chemical is, but the dosing is different for actual medical needs than for sexin', so there's a different brand name for the actual heart medication.
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Used for jet lag/pulmonary edema with the same dose as for ED from what I know, tho. Not an expert tho.
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Used for jet lag/pulmonary edema with the same dose as for ED from what I know, tho. Not an expert tho.
Packed like sardines in a tin can at 30000 feet somewhere over the Atlantic with a raging hard-on...
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Used for jet lag/pulmonary edema with the same dose as for ED from what I know, tho. Not an expert tho.
Packed like sardines in a tin can at 30000 feet somewhere over the Atlantic with a raging hard-on...
...is an excellent time to join the Mile High Club.
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With a willing flight attendant.
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With a willing flight attendant.
Who may or may not be the same gender as you.
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Sir, Sir, can you please put down your tray? Oh I see you can't.... carry on then