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Community => Society and History => Topic started by: gomer21xx on March 13, 2013, 04:33:54 pm
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...and Society Should "Punish It"! (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/frc-no-right-have-sex-outside-marriage-society-should-punish-it)
The court decided that single people have the right to contraceptives. What’s that got to do with marriage? Everything, because what the Supreme Court essentially said is single people have the right to engage in sexual intercourse. Well, societies have always forbidden that, there were laws against it. Now sure, single people are inclined to push the fences and jump over them, particularly if they are in love with each other and going onto marriage, but they always knew they were doing wrong. In this case the Supreme Court said, take those fences away they can do whatever they like, and they didn’t address at all what status children had, what status the commons had, by commons I mean the rest of the United States, have they got any standing in this case? They just said no, singles have the right to contraceptives we mean singles have the right to have sex outside of marriage. Brushing aside millennia, thousands and thousands of years of wisdom, tradition, culture and setting in motion what we have.
I'm saving the bulk of my thoughts for this week's Thespian Talk, but you guys have at it!
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I like the part where they're all, "Think about the children!" Apparently they don't understand what contraceptives do.
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I like the part where they're all, "Think about the children!" Apparently they don't understand what contraceptives do.
Contraceptives abort babies. Don't you even read the bible?
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I try to be fair, except in the case of overwhelming stupidity. I can accept that some times, traditions exist because they're good ideas, and blind societal progress is not always wise. However, when you're using "millennia, thousands and thousands of years of wisdom, traditional, [and] culture" to tell me what I do and do not have the right to do in my spare time safely? You lose any right to to fairness. Especially since you bring up "what status children have". I'm a bastard, in the traditional sense. The society you're taking this inspiration from would not have taken kind to me. The world I was born in, however? It didn't matter. I've never been ostracized for that fact. You don't care about "the status of children", you don't even care about what the rest of the United States cares about. You care about forcing your moronic beliefs on the rest of the world because you wake up every morning with the crushing fear that there is no point to your life, that your beliefs are wrong, and that if your god does exist (because is there a non-religious reason for you to make this argument?), he's a lot more benevolent than you want him to be.
In short, you are a contemptible human being, and I sincerely hope you go away so nobody else calls my attention towards you.
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Ah more of the "SEX IS EVIL" bs, please just get over yourselves...
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The only way contraceptives threaten kids is if some kid eats a pack of birth control or chokes on a condom.
But seriously, thousands and thousands of years????? How can someone be this ignorant?
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I have about the same opinion on this as I do about the person who decided that all medicine is literally the devil.
"Dumbass."
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Safe sex between willing people of the same age is evil because marriage!
*groooooaaaaan*
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Ah more of the "SEX IS EVIL" bs, please just get over yourselves...
Quick, let's have sex on top of this thread to get back at them.
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Ah more of the "SEX IS EVIL" bs, please just get over yourselves...
Quick, let's have sex on top of this thread to get back at them.
Count me in ;)
*makes out with Rabbit*
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Ah more of the "SEX IS EVIL" bs, please just get over yourselves...
Quick, let's have sex on top of this thread to get back at them.
Count me in ;)
*makes out with Rabbit*
Dammit. Those two are at it again, someby get the hose.
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Also, you shouldn't have sex outside the bedroom.
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Also, you shouldn't have sex outside the bedroom.
And only through a sheet, that you might not look upon your wife's nakedness.
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Ah more of the "SEX IS EVIL" bs, please just get over yourselves...
Quick, let's have sex on top of this thread to get back at them.
Count me in ;)
*makes out with Rabbit*
Dammit. Those two are at it again, someby get the hose.
And someone else get the hoes!
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damn it rabbit you had your turn
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damn it rabbit you had your turn
True, but why would she settle for anything less? ;D
Ah more of the "SEX IS EVIL" bs, please just get over yourselves...
Quick, let's have sex on top of this thread to get back at them.
Count me in ;)
*makes out with Rabbit*
*continues making out with Nicki*
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*takes off panties*
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*sprays both Nicki and Rabbit with a cold hose*
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Awww, you're no fun.
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Awww, you're no fun.
Fine, we can take our smut elsewhere.
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Awww, you're no fun.
I dunno about you, but that was fun for me ;D
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I like the part where they're all, "Think about the children!" Apparently they don't understand what contraceptives do.
Contraceptives abort babies. Don't you even read the bible?
What?! But reading the Bible is un-christian!
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I like the part where they're all, "Think about the children!" Apparently they don't understand what contraceptives do.
Contraceptives abort babies. Don't you even read the bible?
What?! But reading the Bible is un-christian!
Only reading the bad parts of the Bible is un-Christian. It's okay to read the parts about genocide, sexism, and slavery.
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I like the part where they're all, "Think about the children!" Apparently they don't understand what contraceptives do.
Contraceptives abort babies. Don't you even read the bible?
What?! But reading the Bible is un-christian!
Only reading the bad parts of the Bible is un-Christian. It's okay to read the parts about genocide, sexism, and slavery.
Also the parts about Jesus coming back to kill people that disagree with him. But not the bits where he talks about pacifism, or gives out free medical services. Those are communist lies.
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Is there any reason a democratic society would allow these people to - while they can say whatever the hell they want - actually take control and manipulate others?
Oh, the decision that religious people no longer abstain from voting since the 1980's. Never mind...
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Is there any reason a democratic society would allow these people to - while they can say whatever the hell they want - actually take control and manipulate others?
Oh, the decision that religious people no longer abstain from voting since the 1980's. Never mind...
Implying that they abstained from voting before the 1980's?
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Is there any reason a democratic society would allow these people to - while they can say whatever the hell they want - actually take control and manipulate others?
Oh, the decision that religious people no longer abstain from voting since the 1980's. Never mind...
Implying that they abstained from voting before the 1980's?
Of possibly, how this nation took a really sharp right-turn since Reagan was president of the United States? And another when "Dubya" was president?
Or not having taken everything one person said with a pinch of salt?
Regardless...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GCm2zR3DV0g/T5X0XELU-fI/AAAAAAAAEqs/RwgvjLFhKBk/s1600/the+world+was+always+awful.jpg)
(I wish that was a real book.)
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Is there any reason a democratic society would allow these people to - while they can say whatever the hell they want - actually take control and manipulate others?
Oh, the decision that religious people no longer abstain from voting since the 1980's. Never mind...
Implying that they abstained from voting before the 1980's?
Of possibly, how this nation took a really sharp right-turn since Reagan was president of the United States? And another when "Dubya" was president?
Or not having taken everything one person said with a pinch of salt?
Regardless...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GCm2zR3DV0g/T5X0XELU-fI/AAAAAAAAEqs/RwgvjLFhKBk/s1600/the+world+was+always+awful.jpg)
(I wish that was a real book.)
*Slams hands on desk*
Done. Give me a couple years and it's published.
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[snip]
*Slams hands on desk*
Done. Give me a couple years and it's published.
Remember to capitalize "Romanticize".
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Well, I for one agree with the FRC. Let's face it, the last thing a young mother needs is support during difficult times. Her close family should be trying to shame the everloving hell out of her. And the kid certainly does need to be that kind of set up for life. Shunings all around, I say! eye roll emoticon
Seriously, these types of articles make me want to donate time and money to whatever cause they are fighting.
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*steals Nicki from Rabbit* Here, let me help you dry off...
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It seems to me that even up to the 18th century, marriage was a way to secure alliances and legitimize land transfers.
Peasants didnt marry. Merchants only married if they owned land. Marriage was mostly a privlege of a land-owning nobility.
The fact that marriage only filtered down to the common people during the victorian era, should be enough to refute these loons
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For long time in europe marriage was just an contract with no religious importance. The weddings as a religious christian ceremony started when the church wanted to gain more control over the lives of people. In fact in 1563 was when Catholic church declared that marriages aren't "official" unless a priest is present in the ceremony. And 1566, they defined marriage as "The conjugal union of man and woman, contracted between two qualified persons, which obliges them to live together throughout life."
Both of those were basically acts of an interest group redefining marriage despite what the majority of the people or the society had previously thought acceptable.
And that is just europe. So why are countries and societys blindly obeying the relatively new commands by these religious groups? We were doing fine for thousands of years without religious marriages. And really, this has been going on for less than 500 years and already you can see how corrupted and amoral society has become due to this definition of marriage. We have reality tv, Kardashians, WBC, people are using drugs, kids are listening to dubstep and have you seen what they try to pass off as a meal during airplane flights?!?!
I say we go back to the good old days of 14th century. You know, back when people still has some morals.
[ Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage ]
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Also what society shunned people who were having sex?
Ironbite-definitly need some citation for that.
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This is anecdotal, but I was shunned by society. In retrospect, though, it was on general principle and not because I was having sex.
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I say we go back to the good old days of 14th century. You know, back when people still has some morals.
So back to Scotland and England being constantly at war?
Fair enough. I choose Shane, Joe, Cait, Dist, Ironbite, Art and Old Viking for the Scottish side.
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Fair enough. I choose Shane, Joe, Cait, Dist, Ironbite, Art and Old Viking for the Scottish side.
Hey, don't forget me!
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Fair enough. I choose Shane, Joe, Cait, Dist, Ironbite, Art and Old Viking for the Scottish side.
Hey, don't forget me!
Yeah, OK, bring Spaceprog with you. ;D
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*steals Nicki from Rabbit* Here, let me help you dry off...
YAY!! I'm popular with the guys, I want to see you two fight over me.
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Fair enough. I choose Shane, Joe, Cait, Dist, Ironbite, Art and Old Viking for the Scottish side.
Hey, don't forget me!
Won't someone think of the English!
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Fair enough. I choose Shane, Joe, Cait, Dist, Ironbite, Art and Old Viking for the Scottish side.
Hey, don't forget me!
Won't someone think of the English!
I'm part Irish does that count?
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Fair enough. I choose Shane, Joe, Cait, Dist, Ironbite, Art and Old Viking for the Scottish side.
Hey, don't forget me!
Won't someone think of the English!
I'm part Irish does that count?
Close enough :D
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Fair enough. I choose Shane, Joe, Cait, Dist, Ironbite, Art and Old Viking for the Scottish side.
Hey, don't forget me!
Won't someone think of the English!
I'm part Irish does that count?
Nope. Irish & Scots vs. English. Those are the rules.
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Fair enough. I choose Shane, Joe, Cait, Dist, Ironbite, Art and Old Viking for the Scottish side.
Hey, don't forget me!
Won't someone think of the English!
I'm part Irish does that count?
Nope. Irish & Scots vs. English. Those are the rules.
Too late, I bagsied her first.
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...But I like the English know what screw the Scots, the Irish and the English I'm going back to my other culture France. Mangez fumer chiens anglais!
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...But I like the English know what screw the Scots, the Irish and the English I'm going back to my other culture France. Mangez fumer chiens anglais!
I think the Scots, Irish and English should join forces to battle this French evil.
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...But I like the English know what screw the Scots, the Irish and the English I'm going back to my other culture France. Mangez fumer chiens anglais!
I think the Scots, Irish and English should join forces to battle this French evil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh1LSh-I0I4
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Cool, so I get to team up with the Scots on here?(I'm 1/4 Irish).
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Fair enough. I choose Shane, Joe, Cait, Dist, Ironbite, Art and Old Viking for the Scottish side.
Hey, don't forget me!
Won't someone think of the English!
Alright:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M
Now for the rest of you, line up look like this, you really want to look like the handsome chappie who appear on screen at 0:11 with the tall woman beside him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsBAvEDcVR0
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Just don't fight with the Germans. because I may have to leave, given that I'm like 3/4ths German.
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Just don't fight with the Germans. because I may have to leave, given that I'm like 3/4ths German.
My army. My rules. So it's your turn to buy the ice cream.
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Just don't fight with the Germans. because I may have to leave, given that I'm like 3/4ths German.
My army. My rules. So it's your turn to buy the ice cream.
I want to fight the Germans too now.
I think this thread has brought out a deeply hidden desire to colonise and subjugate people.
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Just don't fight with the Germans. because I may have to leave, given that I'm like 3/4ths German.
My army. My rules. So it's your turn to buy the ice cream.
I want to fight the Germans too now.
I think this thread has brought out a deeply hidden desire to colonise and subjugate people.
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/Nickiecole/tumblr_ma7v9p2h9E1rv3w3po6_500_zpsf68f1b92.gif)
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I'm part English, part Scottish, and part Welsh. Where do I end up?
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I'm Dutch-Irish, if you want go after the English or Germans count me in.
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...But I like the English know what screw the Scots, the Irish and the English I'm going back to my other culture France. Mangez fumer chiens anglais!
Ah ha! That means you're still on our side! (The Scots and the French were allies throughout the middle ages)
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Just don't fight with the Germans. because I may have to leave, given that I'm like 3/4ths German.
Not to mention that landsknechts were the pimps of the renaissance.
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/satchel17/30879044/6099/6099_640.jpg)
Who wouldn't want to join that army?
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With outfits like those, I'll join in a heartbeat.
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Those swords look... Interesting.
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So its just me on the guerlla campaign? Cool! It'll be just like visiting Mrs. Rookie's family.
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Those swords look... Interesting.
It's a flambard. The wavy design of the blade was supposed to have something to do with parrying, but I have no clue if that's true or not.
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Those swords look... Interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweihander
ETA
Those swords look... Interesting.
It's a flambard. The wavy design of the blade was supposed to have something to do with parrying, but I have no clue if that's true or not.
Also called flamberge. The wavy or scalloped blade was believed to cause worse injuries than a normal edge (not really true, as I've heard). They were common on big two handed swords like the one in the picture, but blades like that were sometimes found on other kinds of swords too.
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(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/satchel17/30879044/6099/6099_640.jpg)
They look like magical girls, except they're adult males.
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I like how none of them really give a shit about the wounded guy.
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The wounded guy doesn't really seem to be bothered by his injury either. Hell, I think the only reason he is puttting some bandage on is that he doesn't want blood on his clothes. (It is really hard to clean off.)
Then again if your job consists of chopping people into bits with a huge sword or a haldberd, getting blood on you is a part of the job.
Seriously though, Landsknechts were awesome. At the time there were these laws that forbid people from owning more than X sets of clothes. (It might have been as low as 2, but I'm not sure.) If you had too many clothes you would have to pay a fine/ luxury tax which meant that only the riches and most powerful people had fine clothing.
Except that the Landsknecht were specifically exempt from the law. It was felt that since their lives will be short and violent anyway they should have some freedoms in return. Like the right to wear kickass clothing. In fact since they were going to use their paychecks for more clothes their employers sometimes paid them with more fabrics.
There was an army of mercenaries in pimp clothes running around europe who fougth for MORE AND BETTER PIMP CLOTHES!
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So really less awesome and more FABULOUS!
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So really less awesome and more FABULOUS!
As if awesome and fabulous are somehow mutually exclusive :P
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I wonder if we can beat that 8 page derail with The Illusive Man about furries.
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I'm part English, part Scottish, and part Welsh. Where do I end up?
OK, you're in. Just no singing Men of Harlech.
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I'm part English, part Scottish, and part Welsh. Where do I end up?
OK, you're in. Just no singing Men of Harlech.
How is that worse than bagpipes?
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I'm part English, part Scottish, and part Welsh. Where do I end up?
OK, you're in. Just no singing Men of Harlech.
How is that worse than bagpipes?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EverythingsLouderWithBagpipes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EverythingsLouderWithBagpipes)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiOBuukjkpQ
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They're right. I've been a horrible, naughty girl, having sex before marriage, and I should be punished.
I'll tell my boyfriend to get the paddle.
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They're right. I've been a horrible, naughty girl, having sex before marriage, and I should be punished.
I'll tell my boyfriend to get the paddle.
Can I watch?
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They're right. I've been a horrible, naughty girl, having sex before marriage, and I should be punished.
I'll tell my boyfriend to get the paddle.
Can I watch?
Well I suppose that is closer to the original topic than english-scottish wars and bagpipes.
Also, sexier than english-scottish wars, with or without bagpipes.
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They're right. I've been a horrible, naughty girl, having sex before marriage, and I should be punished.
I'll tell my boyfriend to get the paddle.
Can I watch?
Better yet, can you post videos?
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They're right. I've been a horrible, naughty girl, having sex before marriage, and I should be punished.
I'll tell my boyfriend to get the paddle.
Can I watch?
Well I suppose that is closer to the original topic than english-scottish wars and bagpipes.
Also, sexier than english-scottish wars, with or without bagpipes.
Rule 34 anyone?
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On the original topic:
Funnily enough, even Puritan brides--in old New England as well as in the regular old England--were pregnant at the altar about 40-65% of the time, on average. It was quite normal. After all, you didn't want to marry someone and make a vow to spend forever with them, only to find out you couldn't make those all-important heir babies. That would've been kinda crappy.
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They're right. I've been a horrible, naughty girl, having sex before marriage, and I should be punished.
I'll tell my boyfriend to get the paddle.
Can I watch?
Well I suppose that is closer to the original topic than english-scottish wars and bagpipes.
Also, sexier than english-scottish wars, with or without bagpipes.
Don't mock it until you've tried it.
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On the original topic:
Funnily enough, even Puritan brides--in old New England as well as in the regular old England--were pregnant at the altar about 40-65% of the time, on average. It was quite normal. After all, you didn't want to marry someone and make a vow to spend forever with them, only to find out you couldn't make those all-important heir babies. That would've been kinda crappy.
Wasn't that called handfasting? Where you'd be with your chosen bride for a year and a day fucking her every once in a while to make sure you can make babies with her?
Ironbite-wanna say that's how it works.
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I thought handfasting was a type of ritual, where the couple's hands are ceremoniously tied together as a symbol of their marriage.
And it sounds kinky when I say it.
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Just sounds like restricting yourself from masturbation, really.
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I thought handfasting was a type of ritual, where the couple's hands are ceremoniously tied together as a symbol of their marriage.
And it sounds kinky when I say it.
Sort of.
It depends where you were, it occurred to a degree amongst Highland communities, there are few references to it, although it seems to be a form of engagement prior to marriage, with a sort of 'trial period', although this couldn't last more than a year or you would be punished for fornication (sex outside marriage). The Catholic Church seem to have had no problem with it, provided the stipulation that it not last more than one year. Outside of this, Scots Law recognised common-law marriage (living together) even if the Church did not. In the case of handfasting, it should be noted that, in all cases, it was expected that a Church marriage would soon take place. In Lowland Scotland there seems to be no reference to it, although common-law marriage seems to have been seen as within the norm.
In other parts of the Highlands, there seems to be no reference to it, the few I've seen come from the Isle of Skye, so it may have been more common there, although it should be noted that those referenced are of the nobility, so it may have been (and this is purely conjecture) a form of marriage contract between those not able to consent because of age.
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The short answer is, no, it wasn't handfasting. Not to my knowledge anyway. It was a regular marriage and the girls and women were very often pregnant, even when they were Puritans.
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I'm Irish/Jewish, so not only will I gladly fight for the Irish, but I will bring in ALL TEH MONIES!
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So really less awesome and more FABULOUS!
Speaking of FABULOUS!
Where do you think the Landsknecht slept during their campaigns?
On the ground like animals? NO!
On some rags or old clothes like some lowly soldiers? Not good enough for this elite.
They had a goddamn air mattress:
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8949/1537deremilitariairmatt.jpg)
See that? They had air mattresses. Man, they were so pimp.
Guess what else? That mattress is made of leather.
Depending on your view this is either:
a) Murder, they killed some innocent animal(s) Just so that they could sleep comfortably.
b) Fucking metal! They killed some innocent animal(s) Just so that they could sleep comfortably.
c) Innovative.
d) Leather? Kinkyyy! And there is three of them? I am so shipping them. The one on the right is obviously uke. And the guy on the ground is soo shy and tsundere, looking at the other two but if they ask him he's like "I didn't want to join your orgy anyway..."
...Moving on.
Manly men those Landsknecht and also innovative.
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I'm Irish/Jewish, so not only will I gladly fight for the Irish, but I will bring in ALL TEH MONIES!
It's Scotland vs England, how can you be fighting for the Irish?
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So really less awesome and more FABULOUS!
Speaking of FABULOUS!
Where do you think the Landsknecht slept during their campaigns?
On the ground like animals? NO!
On some rags or old clothes like some lowly soldiers? Not good enough for this elite.
They had a goddamn air mattress:
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8949/1537deremilitariairmatt.jpg)
See that? They had air mattresses. Man, they were so pimp.
Guess what else? That mattress is made of leather.
Depending on your view this is either:
a) Murder, they killed some innocent animal(s) Just so that they could sleep comfortably.
b) Fucking metal! They killed some innocent animal(s) Just so that they could sleep comfortably.
c) Innovative.
d) Leather? Kinkyyy! And there is three of them? I am so shipping them. The one on the right is obviously uke. And the guy on the ground is soo shy and tsundere, looking at the other two but if they ask him he's like "I didn't want to join your orgy anyway..."
...Moving on.
Manly men those Landsknecht and also innovative.
They also got to dress extravagantly because their life expectancy was so low: The Pope decreed that, because a Landsknecht usually didn't live beyond two years of his contract (they were mercenaries), they could dress as outlandishly as they wanted and not be prosecuted for it. Those that did survive were not only allowed to continue dressing the same, but were also very rich men as they were paid their dead comrades wages.
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They also got to dress extravagantly because their life expectancy was so low: The Pope decreed that, because a Landsknecht usually didn't live beyond two years of his contract (they were mercenaries), they could dress as outlandishly as they wanted and not be prosecuted for it. Those that did survive were not only allowed to continue dressing the same, but were also very rich men as they were paid their dead comrades wages.
I already mentioned that they were exempt from the restriction/tax on clothing.
And the elite within Landsknechts were called doppelsöldner, "double soldiers," because the got twice the pay as the others. Then again to be a doppelsöldner you had to take the more dangerous jobs by volunteering to be in the first row or were trained in the use of szweihander and were used to break the enemy formations.
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Can I just take a moment to say, I love you guys. Even on sword forums, I never learned about medieval air mattresses.
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So really less awesome and more FABULOUS!
Speaking of FABULOUS!
Where do you think the Landsknecht slept during their campaigns?
On the ground like animals? NO!
On some rags or old clothes like some lowly soldiers? Not good enough for this elite.
They had a goddamn air mattress:
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8949/1537deremilitariairmatt.jpg)
See that? They had air mattresses. Man, they were so pimp.
Guess what else? That mattress is made of leather.
Depending on your view this is either:
a) Murder, they killed some innocent animal(s) Just so that they could sleep comfortably.
b) Fucking metal! They killed some innocent animal(s) Just so that they could sleep comfortably.
c) Innovative.
d) Leather? Kinkyyy! And there is three of them? I am so shipping them. The one on the right is obviously uke. And the guy on the ground is soo shy and tsundere, looking at the other two but if they ask him he's like "I didn't want to join your orgy anyway..."
...Moving on.
Manly men those Landsknecht and also innovative.
I'm going with b,c, and d
These guys were off the hook. ;D
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Can I just take a moment to say, I love you guys. Even on sword forums, I never learned about medieval air mattresses.
Did you know that English Puritans were big on bondage and cross-dressing? There's a lot of 17th century porn done by the Puritans themselves that portray women dressed as men and men being flogged by said women.