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Title: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 24, 2016, 03:38:49 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/world/europe/radovan-karadzic-verdict.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/world/europe/radovan-karadzic-verdict.html?_r=0)

Better late than never.  Here's hoping Mladić won't take much longer.
Title: Re: Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: Ironchew on March 24, 2016, 03:39:54 pm
Who?

UP's grasp of context at its finest, I see...
Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: Askold on March 24, 2016, 03:46:26 pm
Who?

UP's grasp of context at its finest, I see...

I'm not surprised that you don't know this but he was a pretty big deal during the war in former Yugoslavia.

Shame that it takes this long for the wheels of justice to turn but I guess he's not getting out of jail alive.
Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 24, 2016, 03:55:13 pm
I know about him because Sabaton wrote a song about him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wik-Xv9uD7I

I guess we finally get an answer of "who will drag me to court", huh?
Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: Delirium on March 24, 2016, 07:46:56 pm
I know about Karadzic because of "Serbia Strong". It's really depressing how many people I've seen who support him just because of a stupid Internet meme.
Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: Skybison on March 24, 2016, 09:26:22 pm
^I've never heard of the meme, but seriously people support him?  WTF?  Are they just clueless idiots who don't know who the guy is? 

Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: SCarpelan on March 25, 2016, 03:21:46 am
He committed a genocide against Muslims (Bosnians). I'm not all that surprised there are people who would side with him. There most certainly are people who are willing to excuse things like a genocide against an other group (Croats) if you attack a demonized group. Extreme-right Serbians would see no flaw in the latter action either, of course.
Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 25, 2016, 03:43:15 am
Doesn't make up for the fact that the international community sat on it's hands while the deed was done, but good he's going down I guess.
Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: mellenORL on March 25, 2016, 11:26:21 am
I still can't stomach how the term "genocide" was white washed into "ethnic cleansing", and that the media actually preferred to use the latter in reporting about it.
Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: Askold on March 25, 2016, 12:34:01 pm
I never thought that ethnic cleansing would be a white wash term since it still describes the same atrocity and has always been equally horrible in my eyes.
Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: SCarpelan on March 25, 2016, 02:05:04 pm
Ethnic cleansing is making an area ethnically "pure" by whatever method - mass murder is just one option, others means can be for example forcibly moving population elsewhere or forced mass sterilization. As such, what the Serbs did was ethnic cleansing by the means of genocide. Which term you choose to use is a matter of taste, not white washing.
Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: mellenORL on March 25, 2016, 05:25:43 pm
The term was unknown here in the states until the 1990s, the Balkan wars. And all three aspects of "ethnic cleansing" were employed during WW II. I've always equated it with gilding a rotten lily.
Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: TheContrarian on March 26, 2016, 02:18:47 pm
Doesn't make up for the fact that the international community sat on it's hands while the deed was done, but good he's going down I guess.

Kinda.

The UN troops at Srebrenica stood by and did shit all because they weren't given the mandate to act.

It was NATO's intervention after that that put a stop to the bastard.
Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 26, 2016, 06:02:51 pm
Srebrenica was 1995, NATO didn't step in until '98 so they didn't act until after the ethnic cleansing of Srebrenica was well and truly over.
Title: Re: Serb war criminal Radovan Karadžić found guilty
Post by: TheContrarian on March 27, 2016, 08:36:16 am
Srebrenica was 1995, NATO didn't step in until '98 so they didn't act until after the ethnic cleansing of Srebrenica was well and truly over.

Well yeah, nobody said NATO were quick off the mark.

But then it's an organisation largely run by Americans.  This is the country that used the sinking of a ship 23 months previously as a casus belli for joining a war...