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Title: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 09, 2019, 10:21:08 pm
(https://i.redd.it/h740v572iw821.jpg)

Because getting a transplant is exactly the same as killing people to make a woman suit. TERFs are garbage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 10, 2019, 01:03:50 am
"Nobody gets to have a uterus but me, because sexism is bad." Sure, a perfectly coherent and justified thread of logic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Askold on January 10, 2019, 01:42:35 am
Are TERFs even SJW?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: niam2023 on January 10, 2019, 02:11:36 am
They embody the concept of the horseshoe effect - swing far enough to the left, and you start sounding a lot like the right wing guys you claim to despise.

I'd also like to submit to this thread the wonderful people who decided Brad Jones, the Cinema Snob, was not moving away from Channel Awesome fast enough. So they started threatening not only him, but his loved ones, grandmother, and associates. "Because you won't leave that toxic shithole, we'll be EVEN MORE TOXIC! Social Justice Justifies the Means!"

They may have also solidified Brad's decision to stay on at Channel Awesome, by and large out of spite toward the vile shits that threatened to pour acid on him and kill his family. And I don't blame him. What he saw of #ChangeTheChannel was less a benevolent social movement sticking up for the abused and more a bunch of violent dickholes who decided the fucking Daily Stormer's methods needed to be adopted.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: ironbite on January 10, 2019, 08:37:39 am
Yeah and then his mom decided to throw Allison under a bus and welp!  There goes that friendship.q
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 10, 2019, 01:27:45 pm
Speaking of the horseshoe effect:

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That is actually my main issue with Into the Spiderverse. Why does Miles have to be crushing on a white blonde? He’s black Latine. His eventual love interest couldn’t be another black Latine or someone else of color?

"Whites and blacks shouldn't mix!" - Klansman

"What he said." - Tumblrina
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: niam2023 on January 10, 2019, 06:02:03 pm
Yeah - for a deal of people like this, they think they can and should control who dates who.

You see that with Chloe Bennett and people saying when she and Logan Paul were together she was "betraying" her progressive fans by not dating someone they approved of. Because apparently the fans get to decide who you date.

There's similar reports over in Asia that if a celeb or idol dates someone the fans don't like, they get insanely violent.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 11, 2019, 05:37:48 am
Are TERFs even SJW?

They are on pretty much every issue that isn't trans people. They justify a lot of horrid shit they do with the banners of Feminism and Social Justice. And they try to say they are the only feminists because trans women and our allies are "MRAs".

TERFs are literally just SJW but openly and happily espousing vitriolic transphobia instead of being condescending to trans people and forcing us to be a monolith.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: niam2023 on January 11, 2019, 05:46:18 am
https://justanotherrabbitkin.tumblr.com/

This person is literally insane.

She calls any female rappers "fake women", says heterosexual women are "oppressive", is in the "ALL HETERO SEX IS RAPE" camp / claims that "every yes means no", and clings to the whole "kin" thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 11, 2019, 09:52:45 am
Whelp, time to go tell Sleeps that I'm a rapist.  BRB
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 11, 2019, 10:49:57 am
Well, good news. I'm officially not a rapist. Hahahahhahahahahahah ha ha fuck, I'm so lonely.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 11, 2019, 10:48:29 pm
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White privilege is never having to spell your last name.

Yeah, tell that to a Pole. Or a Greek. Or a Hungarian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 11, 2019, 10:57:16 pm
Well, where the fuck is my white privilege? I swear, every single person I meet has to be told how to spell and pronounce my last time, and I'm really fucking tired of it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 11, 2019, 11:56:02 pm
And spell my first one.  Don't blame me because everyone else spells it wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Askold on January 12, 2019, 12:52:42 am
Having a name not of the main language of the country you are in will cause people to have trouble writing it. Nothing to do with the colour of your skin if a French person doesn't know how to spell a Finnish name or something like that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 12, 2019, 12:57:10 am
Thing is, my name is common as fuck.  The problem is, everyone spells it fucking wrong (with a 'c') instead of the right way (with a 'k').  Don't blame me because people aren't taught how to spell shit right.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: dpareja on January 12, 2019, 01:59:09 am
Hell, my first name is a pretty common name in the main language of the area where I live, without any alternate spellings, and I still see it misspelled.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Askold on January 12, 2019, 02:12:28 am
...Welp, I guess people and languages are stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 12, 2019, 05:23:08 am
Hell, my first name is a pretty common name in the main language of the area where I live, without any alternate spellings, and I still see it misspelled.

The education system has failed us.

Quote from: niam2023
She calls any female rappers "fake women"

Okay, all that other stuff his pretty standard for "crazy fucking tumblr radfem" but this one is new. I don't get it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 12, 2019, 11:30:59 am
...Welp, I guess people and languages are stupid.

Now you're gettin' it.  ;)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: niam2023 on January 13, 2019, 04:05:34 am
Hell, my first name is a pretty common name in the main language of the area where I live, without any alternate spellings, and I still see it misspelled.

The education system has failed us.

Quote from: niam2023
She calls any female rappers "fake women"

Okay, all that other stuff his pretty standard for "crazy fucking tumblr radfem" but this one is new. I don't get it.

I am guessing it's some transphobia / conspiracy theorist tendencies mixed together.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 14, 2019, 12:13:54 am
(https://i.redd.it/zjebnoixep821.jpg)

Wouldn't this reduce our representation in reaction gifs?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on January 14, 2019, 12:50:46 am
Yes because performances based on stereotypes are the same thing as... reacting using images of actual people, who presumably are acting like they have normal human emotions and intelligence. I guess.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Chaos Undivided on January 16, 2019, 01:30:13 pm
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/235a8e0b2251c6a3fe06500fbce8ad4f/tumblr_phtwgcAGxu1rqcfdb_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on February 01, 2019, 01:28:26 pm
The entire thing with Blood Heir I recently heard about from twitter definitely qualifies as the worst of Social Justice.

Basically a French-Chinese immigrant named Amelie Wen Zhao was going to write and release a trilogy of YA fantasy novels, with the first book Blood Heir having already been completed and advanced copies being passed around for review purposes. Gatekeeping American YA Twitter people saw examples of slavery in the novel and immediately thought of American Chattel Slavery of Black people and accused the book of being racist, along with making up a bunch of rumors about plagiarism and Zhao screenshotting critics (yes, screenshots, how incredibly nefarious)

Anyway, she was forced to cancel because of a harassment mob on twitter creating a smear campaign against her. So basically a bunch of privileged (mostly white) Americans harassed a woman of color into submission because they didn't like her fantasy novel.

The kicker: the slavery was supposed to parallel modern human trafficking slavery taking place in China and other parts of Asia, where Amelie grew up. It was a complete warping of her books content and ironically accusing her of racism was well... a massively racist harassment campaign.


Read these articles for more detail:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/books/amelie-wen-zhao-blood-heir-ya-author-pulls-debut-accusations-racism.html

https://slate.com/culture/2019/01/blood-heir-ya-book-twitter-controversy.html

https://www.vulture.com/2019/01/ya-twitter-forces-rising-star-author-to-self-cancel.html

https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/279806/how-a-twitter-mob-destroyed-a-young-immigrant-female-authors-budding-career
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: niam2023 on February 01, 2019, 07:13:05 pm
Social Justice Crusader: B-But she needs to know WE TRUE PROGRESSIVES know what's best for her as a woman of color! She just needs to shut up and let us give her rights...except the right to speak for herself. She's too racist to use that right correctly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: rookie on February 02, 2019, 08:54:34 am
Social Justice Crusader: B-But she needs to know WE TRUE PROGRESSIVES know what's best for her as a woman of color! She just needs to shut up and let us give her rights...except the right to speak for herself. She's too racist to use that right correctly.

Isn't it good that we have these nanny state SJW morons to protect us from ourselves? I mean, can you imagine all the independent thinking, all the differing viewpoints, differing perspectives we'd have to deal with without them? I shudder to think about being on my own finding things to be outraged by.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Chaos Undivided on February 08, 2019, 09:27:07 pm
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friendly reminder that you don't get to celebrate lunar new year unless you're literally from a country that does or if you are invited by someone who is from a country that does

Imagine somebody saying non-Irish people can't celebrate St. Patrick's Day.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 08, 2019, 09:47:50 pm
Friendly reminder that I'm the official gatekeeper of events that by my own logic I'm not even allowed to glance sideways at.

Shut up, you don't make sense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: niam2023 on February 09, 2019, 03:39:37 am
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Chloe Bennett really needs to make up for her past if she doesn't want to be problematic af. On top of the whole name shit, she dated Logan fucking Paul. If that isn't betraying her fans (who expected a progressive actress) I don't know what is.Now that they broke up, she should date someone less likely to anger and frustrate her loyal fans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: ironbite on February 11, 2019, 05:09:03 pm
Like you person who posted that?

Ironbite-not you niam but whoever you're quoting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: niam2023 on February 11, 2019, 11:03:26 pm
How DID you know this was posted by a guy?

...yeah it was posted by a really, really cringey guy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: ironbite on February 12, 2019, 03:33:10 pm
Cause I can use my human brain meats and think things through.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: niam2023 on February 12, 2019, 08:16:06 pm
Kind of makes me think of an incel, really.

Chloe Bennett is free to date whoever she wants. She definitely doesn't need to date who her fans want her to date. And she does not need to apologize to you, random internet guy, for dating Logan Paul, or ANY of her fans.

...Sheesh this celebrity culture kind of starts to resemble Korean "Sasaeng".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on February 16, 2019, 05:19:57 am
That reminds me of that one "Myth of consent" meme
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-myth-of-consensual-sex

Famous girl: I do
Famous guy: I do
Some fucking random on the internet, who nobody at all asked: Well, I don't!

Wasn't there somebody you forgot to ask?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: niam2023 on February 16, 2019, 02:37:48 pm
Yeah - and depending on certain things, those random internet nobodies can get really scary really fast.

As I alluded to with the sasaeng, some of them have taken to threatening boyband members' girlfriends, others have sent their blood with a note begging for the guy to drink it so they can be together forever, still others have engaged in some nightmarish bullying if someone gets too close to a singer or something.

There's also idol culture, which is mostly horribly ill-behaved men, which has recently included a petition to ban female idols from ever associating with men ever again "because they're supposed to be pure."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Chaos Undivided on March 06, 2019, 12:52:20 pm
Now the Twitter mobs have turned on Terry Crews for... talking about the importance of having a father figure.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/01/deadpool-2s-terry-crews-accused-of-misogyny-after-comments-on-the-importance-of-fatherhood/ (https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/01/deadpool-2s-terry-crews-accused-of-misogyny-after-comments-on-the-importance-of-fatherhood/)

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/04/after-accusations-of-misogyny-brooklyn-nine-nine-actor-terry-crews-defends-himself-against-accusations-of-homophobia-from-woke-twitter/ (https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/04/after-accusations-of-misogyny-brooklyn-nine-nine-actor-terry-crews-defends-himself-against-accusations-of-homophobia-from-woke-twitter/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on March 06, 2019, 09:47:52 pm
We just need to stop trying to out-woke people. Terry always seemed like a good guy and it seems he follows what many feminists have suggested and tries informing men how to be better and examine themselves. Not to mention having studied anthropology for a while now in college we've been taught about the importance of rolemodels, fathers, alloparents, etc in a child's life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Murdin on March 10, 2019, 06:15:30 pm
Now the Twitter mobs have turned on Terry Crews for... talking about the importance of having a father figure.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/01/deadpool-2s-terry-crews-accused-of-misogyny-after-comments-on-the-importance-of-fatherhood/ (https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/01/deadpool-2s-terry-crews-accused-of-misogyny-after-comments-on-the-importance-of-fatherhood/)

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/04/after-accusations-of-misogyny-brooklyn-nine-nine-actor-terry-crews-defends-himself-against-accusations-of-homophobia-from-woke-twitter/ (https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/04/after-accusations-of-misogyny-brooklyn-nine-nine-actor-terry-crews-defends-himself-against-accusations-of-homophobia-from-woke-twitter/)

I can't believe people are STILL falling for that shit, if you know what I mean, but here we go again.

The first article is the one that's actually about Terry Crews talking about the importance of having a father figure. From the underwhelming nature of the exposed tweets and my inability to find any other reference to this particular "controversy", I am inclined to believe that this website, that appears to be specialized in SJW-related clickbait and features all of our "favorite" lolcows... was, in fact, making a mountain out of a molehill. Shocking, I know.

The second article is the one that's actually about the Twitter mobs turning on Terry Crews. For stating that the children of single or same-sex parents are emotionally malnourished, that is. While some of you probably share this opinion, and I know many people do, you have to admit that it is decidedly more controversial and inflammatory than advertised by our new buddy Chaos Undivided.

As usual, the worst behavior seems to come from the so-called influencers that spearheaded the outrage: Nerdist "journalist" and professional shit-stirrer Rachel Heine, and Instagram model Emily Sears. Passive-aggressive insults, using other people as shields, ad hominem attacks, talking past a point by misrepresenting or outright ignoring it, the usual bad faith debating tactics. There is a bit of a catch, however, in that the article puts a lot of positive spin on Crews' tweets, and once you look past it... there are times where he really wasn't acting any better in those regards. For those who wants to play "spot the fallacy", all the relevant quotes are right there in the article.

To Crews' credit, not only did he delete the incriminating tweet for being "hurtful and poorly worded", he later issued a vague apology (https://www.pride.com/celebrities/2019/3/06/terry-crews-apologizes-lgbt-folks-after-chat-stephanie-beatriz) for his own behavior throughout the ensuing drama. Not sure how many of his most fervent opponents and defenders will display the same ability for self-reflection. It's almost as if the so-called "rational" and "socially conscious" sides are feeding each other's toxicity with their snappy hot takes, at the expense of both ideals. Oh, well, what do I know.

As silly as this one particular nontroversy really is, this trend of misrepresentation has always been a problem in SocJus threads. It personally worries me how much we tend to internalize the noxious inanity that pervades Internet culture, but if that's you folks really want... keep on with those topics, I guess.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: davedan on March 11, 2019, 04:31:49 am
Murdin is like King Arthur coming to our aid whenever the Double barrelled named one returns
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on March 14, 2019, 03:28:56 am
Now the Twitter mobs have turned on Terry Crews for... talking about the importance of having a father figure.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/01/deadpool-2s-terry-crews-accused-of-misogyny-after-comments-on-the-importance-of-fatherhood/ (https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/01/deadpool-2s-terry-crews-accused-of-misogyny-after-comments-on-the-importance-of-fatherhood/)

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/04/after-accusations-of-misogyny-brooklyn-nine-nine-actor-terry-crews-defends-himself-against-accusations-of-homophobia-from-woke-twitter/ (https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/03/04/after-accusations-of-misogyny-brooklyn-nine-nine-actor-terry-crews-defends-himself-against-accusations-of-homophobia-from-woke-twitter/)

I can't believe people are STILL falling for that shit, if you know what I mean, but here we go again.

The first article is the one that's actually about Terry Crews talking about the importance of having a father figure. From the underwhelming nature of the exposed tweets and my inability to find any other reference to this particular "controversy", I am inclined to believe that this website, that appears to be specialized in SJW-related clickbait and features all of our "favorite" lolcows... was, in fact, making a mountain out of a molehill. Shocking, I know.

The second article is the one that's actually about the Twitter mobs turning on Terry Crews. For stating that the children of single or same-sex parents are emotionally malnourished, that is. While some of you probably share this opinion, and I know many people do, you have to admit that it is decidedly more controversial and inflammatory than advertised by our new buddy Chaos Undivided.

As usual, the worst behavior seems to come from the so-called influencers that spearheaded the outrage: Nerdist "journalist" and professional shit-stirrer Rachel Heine, and Instagram model Emily Sears. Passive-aggressive insults, using other people as shields, ad hominem attacks, talking past a point by misrepresenting or outright ignoring it, the usual bad faith debating tactics. There is a bit of a catch, however, in that the article puts a lot of positive spin on Crews' tweets, and once you look past it... there are times where he really wasn't acting any better in those regards. For those who wants to play "spot the fallacy", all the relevant quotes are right there in the article.

To Crews' credit, not only did he delete the incriminating tweet for being "hurtful and poorly worded", he later issued a vague apology (https://www.pride.com/celebrities/2019/3/06/terry-crews-apologizes-lgbt-folks-after-chat-stephanie-beatriz) for his own behavior throughout the ensuing drama. Not sure how many of his most fervent opponents and defenders will display the same ability for self-reflection. It's almost as if the so-called "rational" and "socially conscious" sides are feeding each other's toxicity with their snappy hot takes, at the expense of both ideals. Oh, well, what do I know.

As silly as this one particular nontroversy really is, this trend of misrepresentation has always been a problem in SocJus threads. It personally worries me how much we tend to internalize the noxious inanity that pervades Internet culture, but if that's you folks really want... keep on with those topics, I guess.

I personally think we should keep being critical of people ostensibly on our own side in topics like this one, but I'm glad you were here to clarify that Chaos wasn't being entirely accurate. I'm just glad Crews can still take a step back, we all need that ability ourselves. Nuance is good.

What do you think CU?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Chaos Undivided on March 14, 2019, 12:28:51 pm
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with Murdin. To start, Terry's "severely malnourished" tweet was in response to this:

Quote from: rach
love is not gendered. a child will not starve with only one gender loving them

He wasn't throwing shade at single mothers or same-sex couples, he was saying that a child needs both maternal and paternal love. Neither one necessarily has to come from a literal parent.

Now, let's talk about the fallacies Terry supposedly committed. I'll be honest, I'm not entirely sure what Murdin's talking about. The only thing I could find was a rather blatant play of the race card, which, taken in a vacuum, certainly doesn't make him look good. But again, context is important. I'd say it's likely he was trying to shame the people dogpiling him into backing off and being less hostile.

That being said, I'm willing to concede that he might have a point about the articles having inaccuracies.

P.S. Sorry about the short response, I'm not feeling too well right now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Murdin on March 15, 2019, 06:07:23 am
While context can totally change the meaning of a statement, I don't see how that's the case here ; if anything, it makes it clearer that the discussion was indeed, in part, about same-sex parents. It explains how Crews went from point A to point B, but it doesn't really change what he actually said or why people were getting outraged over it. At worst, people could take his tweet out of context in order to misconstrue his intentions as homophobic, but not even the "influencers" stooped to that level.

Some left-wingers, who are not prejudiced against Jewish people in general, tend to slip into antisemitic rhetoric whenever topics like Israeli imperialism or the banking system are brought up. Does the context justify their behavior? I don't think so.

As for the fallacies... *sigh* here we go. I'm only picking one example from each "side", so this is not intended to be an exhaustive list.

As an aside, I am in no way endorsing callout culture. Even indulged in a bit of bothsame in order to express some of my feelings about it, and "hot take culture" in general.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Chaos Undivided on March 28, 2019, 12:23:41 pm
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@ white girls ask ur self how many white girls you’re friends with, then ask yourself how many women of colour you’re friends with. then, make an effort.

Who the fuck chooses their friends based on skin color?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: dpareja on March 28, 2019, 12:37:38 pm
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@ white girls ask ur self how many white girls you’re friends with, then ask yourself how many women of colour you’re friends with. then, make an effort.

Who the fuck chooses their friends based on skin color?

True, as far as it goes, but the post can be read as being addressed to white women who just haven't met very many non-white women, and is urging them to make an effort to meet non-white women, with whom they might then become friends.

It could have been phrased better, and the unspoken assumption is aggravating and condescending, but I don't think it's intended to be as bad as "you should choose your friends based on skin colour".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Chaos Undivided on April 13, 2019, 04:42:16 pm
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Now is a good time to explain why it’s better to believe the accuser/victim even if there’s no proof

It’s safer. That’s it. What more do you need?

It safer because if the proof or any sort of confirmation comes to light then we are able to stop a criminal before they claim anymore victims. Putting the light on them will stop them from going any further, doing something similar to someone else, and/or trying to silence the initial accuser. Above all, it would also warn others to be cautious and to not allow for it to happen to them by taking (extra) precautionary measures.

But what if the allegation actually proves to be false?

A ruined reputation. That’s really it. Yes, it may be oversimplifying it but it is recoverable, you can move on from it. Especially celebrities. They have connections + the money to make it all go away (which is all the more reason to side with the victim until things are confirmed) + loyal fans that don’t care whether or not they are criminals. Look at all the celebrity r*pists/abusers (that have plenty of evidence proves they are) still having a career and thriving today.

Tell me what matters more: Someone’s safety or someone’s reputation?

I got two words for this nonsense: Brian Banks (https://californiainnocenceproject.org/read-their-stories/brian-banks/).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Vanto on February 16, 2020, 09:51:02 pm
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This is why I believe that a real, loving relationship can only occur between two females. Men will never get it. They’ll never understand a woman on the level another woman does, never in a million years.

Meanwhile in reality:

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/ae29b4b7dc829684760bec51a7b7db8b/755809f13444bc5e-80/s500x750/ec661f3a07ecbc6640f32255e51f42cf8544877a.png)

Not to imply that lesbian relationships are inherently abusive, of course, just pointing out that no kind of relationship should be talked up as inherently "better" than another.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Skybison on February 17, 2020, 07:04:45 pm
Er what is the source for those stats?  Like by lesbians being victims of stalking and violence by an intimate partner do they mean by female partners only or does that include by male partners she might have had before coming out of the closet?

Either way the original quote is fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice III
Post by: Vanto on February 19, 2020, 01:10:48 am
Er what is the source for those stats?  Like by lesbians being victims of stalking and violence by an intimate partner do they mean by female partners only or does that include by male partners she might have had before coming out of the closet?

Either way the original quote is fucking stupid.

I got it from the NCADV, and I'm pretty sure they specifically mean female partners only.