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Title: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: niam2023 on May 21, 2019, 02:14:58 am
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/ben-shapiro-people-actually-are-being-treated-pretty-humanely-in-detention-centers/

Ah I am sure he is not a gateway drug to membership in one alt-right thug group or another.

Doesn't this remind anyone of anything else? You know "oh those Jews? They're having so much fun in those camps. So much fun." And this is even more vile when one remembers Ben is from a Jewish family. What the fuck Ben?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: dpareja on May 21, 2019, 03:21:14 am
The ideology is the religion. All observable facts must be contorted to fit or, if they won't fit, denied or disregarded.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: Kanzenkankaku on May 22, 2019, 02:08:49 am
Never forget Mr "Facts don't care about your feelings" flipped out on BBC and self-owned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUP4uJto99w&t=3s

He defended the Alabama Abortion ban shit even.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: Askold on May 22, 2019, 04:41:08 am
He's used to debating 20-something people on subjects that he himself has studied. He himself does not answer questions, he pulls out stats and whatnot and is on the offensive, sidestepping questions and then makes edited clips about the best "owning the libs" moments. One of the more important aspects in his style of debating is to make sure that nothing is about him or his beliefs. Always put the focus on the other person so that you can point out their flaws but never allow yourself to be the focus and never admit to holding a position because that position could be flawed.

Then he ended up in an interview...

Where he is supposed to answer questions AND explain his positions and arguments in the book. That's not what he is used to, that's where he is the weakest. So of course he panicked, he might have been forced to admit something of his own beliefs. Granted that answering the questions normally would been less embarrassing that practically running away crying after accusing the right-wing interviewer of being a leftist, but in a panic he fell back to his normal playstyle.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: fluffyDbringer on May 22, 2019, 05:52:57 am
I for one am shocked that the man who believes it's okay to murder and otherwise oppress palestinians because they "like living in mud and bombing shit" would dismiss the suffering of foreigners and delegitimize human rights complaints
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: DarkPhoenix on May 22, 2019, 02:07:43 pm
He's used to debating 20-something people on subjects that he himself has studied. He himself does not answer questions, he pulls out stats and whatnot and is on the offensive, sidestepping questions and then makes edited clips about the best "owning the libs" moments. One of the more important aspects in his style of debating is to make sure that nothing is about him or his beliefs. Always put the focus on the other person so that you can point out their flaws but never allow yourself to be the focus and never admit to holding a position because that position could be flawed.

Then he ended up in an interview...

Where he is supposed to answer questions AND explain his positions and arguments in the book. That's not what he is used to, that's where he is the weakest. So of course he panicked, he might have been forced to admit something of his own beliefs. Granted that answering the questions normally would been less embarrassing that practically running away crying after accusing the right-wing interviewer of being a leftist, but in a panic he fell back to his normal playstyle.

A technique commonly referred to as the "Gish Gallop".  Which fails if the person on the other side is aware of what the Gish Galloper is trying to do and insists on staying on the topic, rather than allowing irrelevant trips into side topics in Fantasyland.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: ironbite on May 22, 2019, 03:51:50 pm
He's used to debating 20-something people on subjects that he himself has studied. He himself does not answer questions, he pulls out stats and whatnot and is on the offensive, sidestepping questions and then makes edited clips about the best "owning the libs" moments. One of the more important aspects in his style of debating is to make sure that nothing is about him or his beliefs. Always put the focus on the other person so that you can point out their flaws but never allow yourself to be the focus and never admit to holding a position because that position could be flawed.

Then he ended up in an interview...

Where he is supposed to answer questions AND explain his positions and arguments in the book. That's not what he is used to, that's where he is the weakest. So of course he panicked, he might have been forced to admit something of his own beliefs. Granted that answering the questions normally would been less embarrassing that practically running away crying after accusing the right-wing interviewer of being a leftist, but in a panic he fell back to his normal playstyle.

That type of debate technique sounds...familiar.

Ironbite-a little too Paragony.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: niam2023 on May 22, 2019, 08:49:49 pm
Are you saying Paragon tried to argue like Ben Shapiro?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: ironbite on May 22, 2019, 09:08:17 pm
I'm saying Paragon IS Ben Shapiro.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: Cloud3514 on May 22, 2019, 09:56:29 pm
Nah, Shapiro is actually good at gish galloping. Our favorite punching bag actually let us respond to things.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: dpareja on May 23, 2019, 12:35:24 am
Nah, Shapiro is actually good at gish galloping. Our favorite punching bag actually let us respond to things.

Hard to Gish Gallop in a medium like this.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: Askold on May 23, 2019, 01:46:05 am
Nah, Shapiro is actually good at gish galloping. Our favorite punching bag actually let us respond to things.

Hard to Gish Gallop in a medium like this.


[insert 20 links to long articles and 5 2h30min Liveleak videos]
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro Caught Talking Up Trump's Detention Camps
Post by: dpareja on May 23, 2019, 01:47:11 am
Point.