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Politics and Government / Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Last post by SCarpelan on Today at 01:23:53 pm »
What are they going to say about Trump's comment about US Jews showing 'disloyalty'?

The same thing Trump himself said and did; shift from anti-Semitism to claiming that the Dems are anti-Semitic without missing a beat and without even seeing the hypocrisy.

It's easy to do 180 turns like this when you think anti-Semitism as empty rhetoric to weaponize instead of a real world phenomenon. Bigots don't see accusations about their bigotry as anything more than that.
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Politics and Government / Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Last post by DarkPhoenix on Today at 09:29:56 am »
What are they going to say about Trump's comment about US Jews showing 'disloyalty'?

The same thing Trump himself said and did; shift from anti-Semitism to claiming that the Dems are anti-Semitic without missing a beat and without even seeing the hypocrisy.
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Politics and Government / Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Last post by davedan on Today at 03:18:59 am »
What are they going to say about Trump's comment about US Jews showing 'disloyalty'?
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Politics and Government / Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Last post by chad sexington on Today at 12:48:21 am »
STOP THE PRESSES!  A.F. BRANCO DID A NON-HIDEOUS CARICATURE!



Still a shitty cartoon, though.
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Politics and Government / Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Last post by RavynousHunter on August 22, 2019, 10:02:34 pm »
Gods, Autism Speaks is so horrible. I don't need to be cured, thank you. And the worst part is that they keep getting prominent support and treated as a legitimate autism organization.

Fucking really.

My dad didn't need cunts like that, sayin' he'd have been better off dead because they assumed he was autistic because vaccines or other shit.  He was autistic because of fucking brain damage.  But, no.  Let's not get into something real like neuroscience and try to understand how and why this happens.  Let's just ook and eek about how "dey gots da 'tism" and beat people over the head with baseball bats made of calcified bullshit.
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Sanders points out the same dynamics that intellectuals like Chomsky have criticized for decades. There is a difference between claiming that all the media are dishonest liars who hate you and pointing out that people in power protect their interests by selectively hiring and advocating for people whose honestly held opinions and values don't threaten them. One is a conspiracy theory, the other is criticism based on sociological dynamics. The bias is not in telling lies, it is in the perspective taken to the facts: which ones you think are pertinent and which can be ignored and how you present them. Every media source - government, corporate and alternative - does this editorial work from their own perspective.

Claiming that any given media institution has no inbuilt bias is claiming that people within it are robots with no values and ambitions.

See, this is why I have a tiny modicum of respect for, say, Sean Hannity: he doesn't pretend to be anything other than a Trumpite hack.
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How is this different than GamerGate's MUH BIAS screeching about "Gamer is Dead"?

...oh right, this time its someone you like.

Its the populist instinct. If something goes wrong it must be collusion.
Well all claims of media bias can be reduced to "muh bias" if you like that sort of thing, it doesn't follow that all claims about media bias have equal weight or similar motivations behind them. It also doesn't follow that media bias doesn't exist because spurious claims about media bias exist.

Lets look and see if this horseshoe theory of Trump and Sanders doing exactly the same thing holds water.

Sanders:
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“I talk about that all the time and then I wonder why the Washington Post, which is owned by Jeff Bezos, who owns Amazon, doesn’t write particularly good articles about me,” Sanders, who is among the leaders in a crowded field of Democratic hopefuls, said Monday. “I don’t know why. But I guess maybe there’s a connection. I guess maybe we helped raise the minimum wage at Amazon to 15 bucks an hour, as well. Maybe that’s why the Washington Post is not endeared to me. I don’t know.”

He is insinuating that Amazon's opposition to the minimum wage might have fueled antipathy towards Sanders in the WP. Well, it might not have helped but the WP were never fans of Sanders.

Here's Trump on the media:
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"The fake news, of which many of you are members, is trying to convince the public to have a recession. 'Let's have a recession.'"

Here Trump is also insinuating that the media has an agenda, lots of media outlets-all together have an agenda to bring about a national recession for reasons.

Qualitatively, the two positions are not the same. Yes both insinuate an agenda, yes neither have shown a 'smoking gun' or 'proof' that media outlets have an institutional bias but one claim posits that multiple outlets have a bias for reasons that are completely unclear in order to bring about a concrete goal that doesn't seem like it would benefit them. The other claims a singular media outlet has a particular bias for a clearly stated reason that aligns with the CEOs personal interests. Whether either claim has merit isn't the issue, as with most "both sides" arguments when looking at the left and the right on closer examination the thing that "both sides" are purported to be doing isn't the same thing. 

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Sanders points out the same dynamics that intellectuals like Chomsky have criticized for decades. There is a difference between claiming that all the media are dishonest liars who hate you and pointing out that people in power protect their interests by selectively hiring and advocating for people whose honestly held opinions and values don't threaten them. One is a conspiracy theory, the other is criticism based on sociological dynamics. The bias is not in telling lies, it is in the perspective taken to the facts: which ones you think are pertinent and which can be ignored and how you present them. Every media source - government, corporate and alternative - does this editorial work from their own perspective.

Claiming that any given media institution has no inbuilt bias is claiming that people within it are robots with no values and ambitions.
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How is this different than GamerGate's MUH BIAS screeching about "Gamer is Dead"?

...oh right, this time its someone you like.

Its the populist instinct. If something goes wrong it must be collusion.
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