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They are trying to patent human DNA now. I’m not surprised.
« on: December 03, 2012, 09:15:12 pm »
All of the below pertains to specific human genes that predispose a women to breast cancer. Please keep this in mind.

The legal question for the justices is whether isolated genes are “products of nature” that may not be patented or “human-made inventions” eligible for patent protection.



That’s either the most ‘chicken or egg’ legal argument ever or really, really stupid. Please note that both options are not exclusive.

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The patents were challenged by scientists and doctors who said that their research and ability to help patients had been frustrated. “Myriad and other gene patent holders have gained the right to exclude the rest of the scientific community from examining the naturally occurring genes of every person in the United States,” the plaintiffs told the Supreme Court in their petition seeking review. They added that the patents “prevent patients from examining their own genetic information” and “made it impossible to obtain second opinions.”

Ladies and gentlemen this made it to the Supreme Court. Here is the petition.


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“The isolated DNA molecules before us are not found in nature,” wrote Judge Alan D. Lourie, who was in the majority. “They are obtained in the laboratory and are man-made, the product of human ingenuity.”

The company urged the justices not to hear the case, saying that the “isolated molecules” at issue “were created by humans, do not occur in nature and have new and significant utilities not found in nature.” It has long been settled, the company’s brief went on, that “the human ingenuity required to create isolated DNA molecules” is worthy of encouragement and that its fruits are worthy of protection.


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Re: They are trying to patient human DNA now. I’m not surprised.
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2012, 09:23:05 pm »
There's a typo in the thread title.  It should be "patent", not "patient." 

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Re: They are trying to patient human DNA now. I’m not surprised.
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2012, 09:50:41 pm »
Didn't Michael Crichton write a book about that?

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Re: They are trying to patient human DNA now. I’m not surprised.
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2012, 12:30:10 am »
Didn't Michael Crichton write a book about that?
Was it the crummy one with the dinosaurs or the crummy one with the death-virus?

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Re: They are trying to patient human DNA now. I’m not surprised.
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2012, 02:09:26 am »
I think it's called "next."

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Re: They are trying to patient human DNA now. I’m not surprised.
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2012, 02:42:22 am »
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Re: They are trying to patient human DNA now. I’m not surprised.
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2012, 03:56:39 am »
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“The isolated DNA molecules before us are not found in nature,” wrote Judge Alan D. Lourie, who was in the majority. “They are obtained in the laboratory and are man-made, the product of human ingenuity.”

The company urged the justices not to hear the case, saying that the “isolated molecules” at issue “were created by humans, do not occur in nature and have new and significant utilities not found in nature.” It has long been settled, the company’s brief went on, that “the human ingenuity required to create isolated DNA molecules” is worthy of encouragement and that its fruits are worthy of protection.

This is a case of moving the goal posts. Yes the "isolated" DNA molecules are not found in nature, however they would be found in nature as part of the DNA of the person in question. It is entirely accurate that a laboratory would be needed to isolate that DNA sequence from DNA in general, however that sequence would be already part of the original DNA.

What they seem to be trying to do is patent a naturally occurring sequence of matter. Which makes no sense. Yes scientists were needed to discover the exact meaning of that sequence, but the sequence itself occurs naturally. I suppose they could deny others access to their information on the exact nature of the sequence, but that would basically screw everyone over including themselves as they would be unable to use that information without revealing it.

That said though, Patent and copyright laws care somewhat screwed up these days so it wouldn't surprise me if someone tried to patent H2O.

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Re: They are trying to patient human DNA now. I’m not surprised.
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2012, 04:20:41 am »
Didn't Michael Crichton write a book about that?
Was it the crummy one with the dinosaurs or the crummy one with the death-virus?

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Re: They are trying to patient human DNA now. I’m not surprised.
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2012, 07:30:52 am »
That's the inevitable end result of the cancer that is capitalism. Our lives have already been taken away from us and sold back to us at a ridiculous markup, wasn't it only a matter of time before our very selves were next?

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Re: They are trying to patient human DNA now. I’m not surprised.
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2012, 08:15:40 am »
Well I know you can patent gene modification techniques, though patenting genes themselves is messy.

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Re: They are trying to patent human DNA now. I’m not surprised.
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 05:45:10 pm »
Wow.....why am I just now hearing about this?

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Re: They are trying to patient human DNA now. I’m not surprised.
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 08:26:29 pm »
I think it's called "next."

Yeah. I read it not too long ago. Mind you, the case described in the article still doesn't justify the alarmist nature of the book. I mean, the novel had bounty hunters tracking down members of a dude's family to take their blood after the courts ruled that a company owned his genes and cells, implying that they also owned his family's inherited cells. Then there was that whole thing with hybrids, a talking orangutan and some side story about bone thieves or something. So, yeah. Basically, the book was insane.
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