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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2012, 09:50:53 pm »
ALSO!  Time out closet?  Seriously?  A child who's throwing stuff around and you're going to confine her to a small space where can do more damage to herself?

Ironbite-that's just stupid.

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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2012, 09:51:31 pm »
ALSO!  Time out closet?  Seriously?  A child who's throwing stuff around and you're going to confine her to a small space where can do more damage to herself?

Ironbite-that's just stupid.

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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2012, 09:51:55 pm »
What were they supposed to do if not cuff her, toss her in a police car and haul her down to the pokey? OH! OH! I know this!

Put her in the Time Out Closet until she calms the fuck down.

I was gonna post this story, but I guess you beat me to it.

 I've seen kids freak the hell out and the can do more than you think. School desks aren't particularly heavy, and you don't need to be able to lift a heavy bookshelf to tip it over on someone(think of people who tip vending machines).

That said, it sound like it's extreme, but at the same time I'm not sure what else one would do. It sounds like there were a few people there trying to calm her down and it wasn't working.

Like I said, until more facts come out, I'm not going to judge things one way or the other.

However, it sounds like they COULDN'T get her into the time-out closet.

Have you ever tried to deal with a tantruming child that can't even be picked up without either you getting a broken nose or her getting crushed ribs?  Yeah.  I may not have, but I can guess that it's not as easy as "putting her in a time out closet"
Then cuff her then put her in a time out room (just lead her to the llibrary or someplace)

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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2012, 10:07:54 pm »
What were they supposed to do if not cuff her, toss her in a police car and haul her down to the pokey? OH! OH! I know this!

Put her in the Time Out Closet until she calms the fuck down.
At worst just cuff her if she's really a threat and put her in a room with an adult at best she can scream at the adult

She already bested that by injuring the principal.  Just being in cuffs alone is sometimes not enough if someone is bent on some sort of destruction.  :(

Not to mention, the school also has a duty to try and keep her from hurting herself.  If she gets put in a closet (which honestly sounds um...no better than being in a cell??) and starts, say, banging her head and throwing her body around, what do they do then?  The article makes it sound like she was on a real tear.  As usual, though, I'm sure there is more to the story than the initial report.

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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2012, 10:49:08 pm »
What were they supposed to do if not cuff her, toss her in a police car and haul her down to the pokey? OH! OH! I know this!

Put her in the Time Out Closet until she calms the fuck down.

I was gonna post this story, but I guess you beat me to it.

 I've seen kids freak the hell out and the can do more than you think. School desks aren't particularly heavy, and you don't need to be able to lift a heavy bookshelf to tip it over on someone(think of people who tip vending machines).

That said, it sound like it's extreme, but at the same time I'm not sure what else one would do. It sounds like there were a few people there trying to calm her down and it wasn't working.

Like I said, until more facts come out, I'm not going to judge things one way or the other.

However, it sounds like they COULDN'T get her into the time-out closet.

Have you ever tried to deal with a tantruming child that can't even be picked up without either you getting a broken nose or her getting crushed ribs?  Yeah.  I may not have, but I can guess that it's not as easy as "putting her in a time out closet"
Then cuff her then put her in a time out room (just lead her to the llibrary or someplace)

The library!? Do you realize the damage she would do in there? And Twilight just reorganized too!

What were they supposed to do if not cuff her, toss her in a police car and haul her down to the pokey? OH! OH! I know this!

Put her in the Time Out Closet until she calms the fuck down.
At worst just cuff her if she's really a threat and put her in a room with an adult at best she can scream at the adult

She already bested that by injuring the principal.  Just being in cuffs alone is sometimes not enough if someone is bent on some sort of destruction.  :(

Not to mention, the school also has a duty to try and keep her from hurting herself.  If she gets put in a closet (which honestly sounds um...no better than being in a cell??) and starts, say, banging her head and throwing her body around, what do they do then?  The article makes it sound like she was on a real tear.  As usual, though, I'm sure there is more to the story than the initial report.

Generally speaking, intentionally injuring the principal in this day and age will get you put in jail for a few days, at the least. If you have a super paranoid school they'ed have you charged as a terrorist or something insane. I've seen first graders expelled for having finger nail cutters, on the grounds that they're a dangerous weapon(what about a sharpened pencil?).

Barely on topic, but I think interesting none the less:   Meanwhile half the kids a my school carry pocket knives and no one cares, granted they carry them for usual utility reasons that you find when living in the country, so it isn't a big deal to me. When we had a lockdown drill me and others joked about how if someone came in with a gun they were beyond fucked ;D. Since were in the country it's not uncommon for someone to have there hunting rifle or shotgun in their truck, so we've got any potential zombie problem handled as well.

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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2012, 03:15:32 am »
I think the police cuffing her is well within their rights, and probably the best option given the circumstances. Throwing her in the back of the police cruiser in my perspective is a bad idea. I think that is a locality issue on my side as our police vehicles don't have any kind of padding on the walls and such and an out of control person in the back could do real harm to themselves.

My main question is if the police arrived while the tantrum was in full swing, then their actions were perfectly justified. If it was after the fact, then it is somewhat heavy handed. I will give them the benefit of the doubt though. Personally, I don't know what the best course of action would be. People who throw out of control tantrums are a danger to themselves and others. Even if you manage to restrain them with handcuffs, you may need to go further and completely immobilize them. In more clinical circumstances such as psychiatric hospitals a heavy dose of sedative is administered to calm the person down and protect everyone involved. Of course it is unrealistic to expect something like that from a school or the police. However, if the tantrum was still in full swing in the back of the police cruiser I would have driven the child to a hospital instead of a police station.

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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2012, 03:37:11 am »
Not going to comment on whether the handcuffs and whatnot were appropriate, but I will be seriously pissed if I find out she does not receive any psychological and psychiatric evaluation after this. A kid throwing a temper tantrum is not a mental problem, but this was well past a "tantrum" and a sign of something else going on.

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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2012, 03:42:03 am »
Not going to comment on whether the handcuffs and whatnot were appropriate, but I will be seriously pissed if I find out she does not receive any psychological and psychiatric evaluation after this. A kid throwing a temper tantrum is not a mental problem, but this was well past a "tantrum" and a sign of something else going on.

This so much.

Throughout my entire time in school, there has only been one student that would throw tantrums like this (a girl in 5th grade several times) and she had some psychological problems. When she would throw them, about 4 school administrators would come and carry her (one for each limb, and non maliciously of course) to the office and waited until her parents showed up. I think that would be an appropriate solution (and if the school was worried about lawsuits they could have just had the officer escort her to the office). I think full out arrest is just a tad overkill for a bratty (or unstable) 6 year old.

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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2012, 05:54:22 am »
Not going to comment on whether the handcuffs and whatnot were appropriate, but I will be seriously pissed if I find out she does not receive any psychological and psychiatric evaluation after this. A kid throwing a temper tantrum is not a mental problem, but this was well past a "tantrum" and a sign of something else going on.

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Details are missing. I need to know more.

Also... what the fuck is a time-out closet?

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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2012, 06:06:47 am »
"Time Out Closet" is a (poor) metaphor I jerked out of my ass to show that there are other options before a trip to the police station is required. Yes, I agree that some sort of restraints were likely required, so if handcuffs were necessary they could have just cuffed her to a bench or some other this-fucker-ain't-budging object until her parents can come pick her up.
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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2012, 02:55:08 pm »
^ and when she dislocated her arm thrashing about?
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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2012, 03:08:18 pm »
^ and when she dislocated her arm thrashing about?

She's got as much chance of that happening as she does in the back of a cop car.
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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2012, 03:20:55 pm »
Um...

She threw furniture around and supposedly injured the principal.

How were they supposed to get the situation under control?

She's six, you lift her clear from the floor at arms length and let her realize she's not godzilla.

If it worked on even my bitey ass little cousins it ought to work just about anywhere. Just need to know how to squirm away from the teeth without dropping the little bastards.

Edit:
Also I'd love to know just how she managed to injure a full grown person short of having a weapon at hand.
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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2012, 03:31:51 pm »
Um...

She threw furniture around and supposedly injured the principal.

How were they supposed to get the situation under control?

She's six, you lift her clear from the floor at arms length and let her realize she's not godzilla.

Good luck with that.
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Re: Student arrested for throwing tantrum
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2012, 03:36:35 pm »
Good luck with that.
That bit you didn't quote, involving it working with my cousins, the fratricidal little things they were, quite true, and I did it before I was full grown as I was stuck watching the little ingrates from the time I was eight till I told their parents to stuff themselves when I was a teen.

They squirmed, bit, occasionally swore, and eventually realized the only way they got to do a damn thing again was stopping being a complete ingrate, and simply go back to being little bastards.