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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #105 on: November 16, 2012, 01:58:06 pm »
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I trust in God with all my heart, but that doesn't mean I have to slavishly obey a book written thousands of years ago halfway across the world, in a language I can neither speak nor read, by men who lived in a patriarchal, militaristic theocracy. God's world has changed and grown, and as His follower I must change and grow with it.
And therin is your problem. The 1611 King James Holy Bible is the literal infallible word of God. You cannot trust in God while making a mockery of his word. And this is why I pray for your soul.


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And just to make it an official direct question:  where is your proof that this version is the correct translation?


Also, a clue (all it a gift from me to you):  if you join this board and spout shit like that, you're gonna have a bad time.  Like, really really bad.  I'm pegging you at either Baptist or AoG, which is it?


Attention Pastor Dave

There are two (2) direct questions in the quote above.  This was posted prior to your last return to the threads.  I expect that these will be answered in some fashion.

According to board rules, which you are expected to know prior to posting, when asked a direct question, you must answer.  While you may not have actually read the board rules (nor the bible, if your current postings are any indication), this rule has now been pointed out at least three (3) times for you.

I require answers to these questions, and I am completely open in the fact that I am attempting to nail you down on a few things prior to debating you in earnest (namely, whether you are for real or if you are just a troll who thinks they are clever). 

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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #106 on: November 16, 2012, 02:01:00 pm »
Ad hom to avoid making a point and circular reasoning in one post.

Now really, present your evidence and try to make some sort of well thought argument. I'm giving you an open forum to educate on your belief system, and you're just being lazy and childish.


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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #107 on: November 16, 2012, 02:01:45 pm »
Being as Protestantism is infallible this statement is moot.

You actually just made this statement?  And in all seriousness, I presume? 

Sorry, but you just proved yourself to be a troll.  Not that you've said anything worthwhile up to this point, but you have just lost any semblance of credibility you may have hoped to have with this statement.
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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #108 on: November 16, 2012, 02:03:08 pm »
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you went Catholic bashing
,Catholic bashing? That's like bashing muggers and drunk drivers. Yes I AM vehemently Anti-Catholic as if you could not tell.

Catholicism isn't quite the same as drunk driving or muggers. They kill people and rob them. We just disagree with you.
The Catholic Church has a long history of robbery, murder, and genocide. The criminal history on the papacy is well documented and my comparison is actually understated.


Look familiar? All Protestants.

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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #109 on: November 16, 2012, 02:04:11 pm »
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you went Catholic bashing
,Catholic bashing? That's like bashing muggers and drunk drivers. Yes I AM vehemently Anti-Catholic as if you could not tell.

Catholicism isn't quite the same as drunk driving or muggers. They kill people and rob them. We just disagree with you.
The Catholic Church has a long history of robbery, murder, and genocide. The criminal history on the papacy is well documented and my comparison is actually understated.


Look familiar? All Protestants.

Not only Protestants, but actively interested in running those filthy Catholics out of the South....

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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #110 on: November 16, 2012, 02:05:26 pm »
Incoming No True Scotsman fallacy in 3…2…
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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #111 on: November 16, 2012, 02:05:40 pm »
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you went Catholic bashing
,Catholic bashing? That's like bashing muggers and drunk drivers. Yes I AM vehemently Anti-Catholic as if you could not tell.

Catholicism isn't quite the same as drunk driving or muggers. They kill people and rob them. We just disagree with you.
The Catholic Church has a long history of robbery, murder, and genocide. The criminal history on the papacy is well documented and my comparison is actually understated.

Because Protestantism has never committed genocide or murder or robbery. Not ever.
Being as Protestantism is infallible then statement is moot.

Provide evidence that it is infallible that does not use circular reasoning. If you want to successfully argue your point you must back it up with something of substance.
God has backed it up with the 1611 KJV Bible. Clear is day at least for the non-heathen anyway.
So Protestantism is infallible because the Protestant version of the Bible says so?...

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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #112 on: November 16, 2012, 02:12:46 pm »
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I trust in God with all my heart, but that doesn't mean I have to slavishly obey a book written thousands of years ago halfway across the world, in a language I can neither speak nor read, by men who lived in a patriarchal, militaristic theocracy. God's world has changed and grown, and as His follower I must change and grow with it.
And therin is your problem. The 1611 King James Holy Bible is the literal infallible word of God. You cannot trust in God while making a mockery of his word. And this is why I pray for your soul.


[citation needed]


And just to make it an official direct question:  where is your proof that this version is the correct translation?


Also, a clue (all it a gift from me to you):  if you join this board and spout shit like that, you're gonna have a bad time.  Like, really really bad.  I'm pegging you at either Baptist or AoG, which is it?


Attention Pastor Dave

There are two (2) direct questions in the quote above.  This was posted prior to your last return to the threads.  I expect that these will be answered in some fashion.

According to board rules, which you are expected to know prior to posting, when asked a direct question, you must answer.  While you may not have actually read the board rules (nor the bible, if your current postings are any indication), this rule has now been pointed out at least three (3) times for you.

I require answers to these questions, and I am completely open in the fact that I am attempting to nail you down on a few things prior to debating you in earnest (namely, whether you are for real or if you are just a troll who thinks they are clever). 
        Satan is the author of confusion, remember that. If Satan can't get you to deny the Scriptures, then he'll try to get you to doubt the Scriptures. If Satan can't get you to deny or doubt the Scriptures, then he'll try to confuse you concerning “which Bible” to use. The 1611 King James Bible is God's inspired, infallible, inerrant, impeccable and preserved Words of God. That's what it is. We have God's inspired Words in the English-speaking language, without error. I fully realize that most King James Bibles published today are based upon the 1769 Oxford text (an edition of the 1611 version). The authorized 1611 King James Version has never been revised, only edited. The main purpose of the 1762 and 1769 editions was the standardization of spelling. This in no way altered the meaning or preservation or inspiration of the 1611 King James Bible. We can trust our 1611 King James Bible.
The false prophets who say that the King James Bible is not inerrant, also embrace the modern corrupt versions (such as the New International Version) as being God's Word too. They view all Bibles as being inferior and inerrant; but anyone with a brain can see that all of the modern Bible versions ATTACK the deity of Jesus Christ. As for your second question I am a Independent fundamentalist Baptist that proudly brandishes the sword of the Lord.
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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #113 on: November 16, 2012, 02:15:42 pm »
As for your second question I am a Independent fundamentalist Baptist that proudly brandishes the sword or the Lord.

I realize that it's a typo, but I'm picturing a dude trying to hit you with a dead Jesus.

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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #114 on: November 16, 2012, 02:18:53 pm »
How do you know its true? It has literally 1611 years removal from Jesus. It's in a completely foreign language and was translated from the Greek (Not Aramaic) bibles. One thing that really lends Catholics credibility on this subject is because they tend to admit that most of the books were written after the fact and most weren't eyewitness. With some debate over Saint John the Divine supposedly 100 year life and Mark being really young child follower of Jesus at the time. Also... you said Saints are Evil. If Saint John the Divine is evil, you called the Gospel of John AND Revelation evil. Trying to contain my mockery laughter is hard.

I'd prefer to have my sword made of steel and then tempered with the Holy Spirit, personally. I shall then put on my white cross and batwing helmet, and ride you down as a Teutonic Knight, you Heretic!

Reminds me trying to argue with my roommate about the Bible and belief structures when he approaches it like a fundie Protestant and I approach it as a Liberal Catholic. I use a different bible, have a vastly different tradition, and was much more deeply embedded than him. I'm an agnostic and he's an atheist, but still. Though he's also one of those people who believes all his opinions to be facts and all his assumed knowledge to be facts.
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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #115 on: November 16, 2012, 02:21:22 pm »
Anyways, Pastor Dave, I have a question for you. You brought up Hebrews 13:4, which says "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge" Awesome! But the problem is it does little to address the original question. See, being a whore means trading some sort of goods or services in exchange for sex. And adultery means at least one person in the relationship is married. But what the original question is talking about is premarital and (I'm assuming) with no thought to any kind of payment. Your verse did mention marriage is honorable, but it said nothing at all about premarriage. If you could address that, please, I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Earlier this morning, a couple pages ago, I brought this up. Looking back, there are no question marks there. Mea Culpa. But we can fix that right now. How does Hebrews 13:4 (which you brought up and I'm using your quote text for) deal with premarital sex?
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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #116 on: November 16, 2012, 02:24:07 pm »
How do you know its true? It has literally 1611 years removal from Jesus. It's in a completely foreign language and was translated from the Greek (Not Aramaic) bibles. One thing that really lends Catholics credibility on this subject is because they tend to admit that most of the books were written after the fact and most weren't eyewitness. With some debate over Saint John the Divine supposedly 100 year life and Mark being really young child follower of Jesus at the time. Also... you said Saints are Evil. If Saint John the Divine is evil, you called the Gospel of John AND Revelation evil. Trying to contain my mockery laughter is hard.

I'd prefer to have my sword made of steel and then tempered with the Holy Spirit, personally. I shall then put on my white cross and batwing helmet, and ride you down as a Teutonic Knight, you Heretic!

Reminds me trying to argue with my roommate about the Bible and belief structures when he approaches it like a fundie Protestant and I approach it as a Liberal Catholic. I use a different bible, have a vastly different tradition, and was much more deeply embedded than him. I'm an agnostic and he's an atheist, but still. Though he's also one of those people who believes all his opinions to be facts and all his assumed knowledge to be facts.
It's true because it is the true written word of the Lord, It's all right there, just open your eyes and heart. My opinions are not opinions, they are a truth that you will one day be faced with.
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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #117 on: November 16, 2012, 02:28:25 pm »
How do you know its true? It has literally 1611 years removal from Jesus. It's in a completely foreign language and was translated from the Greek (Not Aramaic) bibles. One thing that really lends Catholics credibility on this subject is because they tend to admit that most of the books were written after the fact and most weren't eyewitness. With some debate over Saint John the Divine supposedly 100 year life and Mark being really young child follower of Jesus at the time. Also... you said Saints are Evil. If Saint John the Divine is evil, you called the Gospel of John AND Revelation evil. Trying to contain my mockery laughter is hard.

I'd prefer to have my sword made of steel and then tempered with the Holy Spirit, personally. I shall then put on my white cross and batwing helmet, and ride you down as a Teutonic Knight, you Heretic!

Reminds me trying to argue with my roommate about the Bible and belief structures when he approaches it like a fundie Protestant and I approach it as a Liberal Catholic. I use a different bible, have a vastly different tradition, and was much more deeply embedded than him. I'm an agnostic and he's an atheist, but still. Though he's also one of those people who believes all his opinions to be facts and all his assumed knowledge to be facts.
It's true because it is the true written word of the Lord, It's all right there, just open your eyes and heart. My opinions are not opinions, they are a truth that you will one day be faced with.

That is circular logic. Circular Logic. CIRCULAR LOGIC. Stop being like a snake devouring its own tail.

Some English guys who decided it'd be nice if divorce was a little more liberal are the deciding factors of who the written word of the lord is! Anglicans are barely Protestants! They separated because the King wanted more power! Yet they are the ones to write the true written word of the Lord? 1611 years after Jesus? This doesn't make sense theologically nor does it make sense logically.

I'm sorry to get aggressive, but your stupidity is making me angry.
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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #118 on: November 16, 2012, 02:29:45 pm »
How do you know its true? It has literally 1611 years removal from Jesus. It's in a completely foreign language and was translated from the Greek (Not Aramaic) bibles. One thing that really lends Catholics credibility on this subject is because they tend to admit that most of the books were written after the fact and most weren't eyewitness. With some debate over Saint John the Divine supposedly 100 year life and Mark being really young child follower of Jesus at the time. Also... you said Saints are Evil. If Saint John the Divine is evil, you called the Gospel of John AND Revelation evil. Trying to contain my mockery laughter is hard.

I'd prefer to have my sword made of steel and then tempered with the Holy Spirit, personally. I shall then put on my white cross and batwing helmet, and ride you down as a Teutonic Knight, you Heretic!

Reminds me trying to argue with my roommate about the Bible and belief structures when he approaches it like a fundie Protestant and I approach it as a Liberal Catholic. I use a different bible, have a vastly different tradition, and was much more deeply embedded than him. I'm an agnostic and he's an atheist, but still. Though he's also one of those people who believes all his opinions to be facts and all his assumed knowledge to be facts.
It's true because it is the true written word of the Lord, It's all right there, just open your eyes and heart. My opinions are not opinions, they are a truth that you will one day be faced with.

Circular logic is perfectly circular!

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Re: Why Is Sex Outside of Marriage A Sin?
« Reply #119 on: November 16, 2012, 02:31:25 pm »
Who called the troll a whole five pages ago? Moi.