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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #120 on: February 27, 2013, 05:44:40 pm »
Rabbit, USSR and Khmer Rouge Cambodia. Both atheist states that did persecute the religious. But as Sylvana pointed out that was because they were oligarchies/ police states. Whereas Scandanavia (apart from the nudity, the saunas and the whipping each other with sticks) is just dandy.
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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #121 on: February 27, 2013, 11:11:03 pm »
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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #122 on: February 27, 2013, 11:49:58 pm »
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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #123 on: February 28, 2013, 12:47:15 am »
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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #124 on: February 28, 2013, 09:39:58 am »
I might be paying attention to this if what he was saying wasn't trite dribble.
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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #125 on: February 28, 2013, 01:20:00 pm »
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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #126 on: March 01, 2013, 06:03:49 pm »
I have my personal beliefs regarding the supernatural, but I tend to be more skeptical and science-based first before I assume something is supernatural. From my understanding, science is based on the observable world and as someone else said, the material world. That is, through observing, questioning and testing something that is seemingly tangible. It is through this process that we discover things about the universe and our world. Science is what got us out of the dark ages so to say and made life a bit easier as in the case of discovering and synthesizing chemicals to produce medications, studying diseases in order to find medications or cures for them, etc.

Religion is basically an institution that usually is fear-based and most of the modern world is moving away from fear based dogmas and seeking out other spiritual paths for personal enlightenment. Atheism is a lack of beliefs so they don't have a set doctrine or dogma to "preach" to others and also, not all scientists are atheists, there are many who are in various scientific field that have beliefs in a God or some other deity. Some might even see the awe in things such as cells, celestial bodies, chemistry etc and it reinforces their belief in a Higher Power, however, in conducting studies, they must check their personal beliefs at the store and focus on what can be observed or the hypothesis that they are testing and so forth, in order to not contaminate their studies with personal bias.

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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #127 on: March 02, 2013, 07:56:00 pm »
Back to the original topic of this thread, I went looking for a video to explain the Mars retrograde motion to see how geocentrists would explain it... and apparently they've come up with something.

I commented that you can draw hypothetical orbit diagrams all day, and they don't mean squat if you can't explain the forces involved.  Now one of the "teach the controversy" commenters is going all "Newtonian physics have no place in 2013, learn some relativity and all will become clear!" tripe on me.

The video made me laugh out loud when the narrator wondered why evolution had yet to provide an explanation for stable orbits (and naturally he gives no mechanism for how the hell HIS proposed orbits could ever be stable).

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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #128 on: March 02, 2013, 08:27:57 pm »
Back to the original topic of this thread, I went looking for a video to explain the Mars retrograde motion to see how geocentrists would explain it... and apparently they've come up with something.

I commented that you can draw hypothetical orbit diagrams all day, and they don't mean squat if you can't explain the forces involved.  Now one of the "teach the controversy" commenters is going all "Newtonian physics have no place in 2013, learn some relativity and all will become clear!" tripe on me.

The video made me laugh out loud when the narrator wondered why evolution had yet to provide an explanation for stable orbits (and naturally he gives no mechanism for how the hell HIS proposed orbits could ever be stable).

Because Goddidit, obviously.

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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #129 on: March 02, 2013, 09:55:23 pm »
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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #130 on: March 03, 2013, 12:29:38 am »
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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #131 on: March 03, 2013, 01:35:48 am »
Wondered what Heliocentrism is...

Then discovered it is the widely accepted (and one with outstanding evidence of) idea that the sun is the center of the known galaxy we live in...

This man who says "The Atheist" should "self-censor," even in Jack Chick-grade stupidity believes Catholicism and Islam is at fault of Atheism (what the fuck?) believes this is all bunk... (Should I also mention it was the Catholic Church that imprisoned Copernicus until his death over this discovery?)

...I now even more so dearly wish this man is a poe.

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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #132 on: March 03, 2013, 01:58:32 am »
Wondered what Heliocentrism is...

Then discovered it is the widely accepted (and one with outstanding evidence of) idea that the sun is the center of the known galaxy we live in...

This man who says "The Atheist" should "self-censor," even in Jack Chick-grade stupidity believes Catholicism and Islam is at fault of Atheism (what the fuck?) believes this is all bunk... (Should I also mention it was the Catholic Church that imprisoned Copernicus until his death over this discovery?)

...I now even more so dearly wish this man is a poe.

A small correction, the sun is the center of our solar system, not our galaxy. The center of our galaxy is a supermassive black hole. Our sun resides in one of the "arms" of the Milky Way.

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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #133 on: March 03, 2013, 08:34:05 am »
Actually, from the guy who's arguing with me on YouTube, apparently geocentrists (who think the earth is the center of the universe), believe that heliocentrism states the same thing, just with the sun:
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Okay, lets do heliocentric as well. Your position is that the ENTIRE milky way and the ENTIRE universe has to revolve around the sun and at some point, objects must exceed speed of light. Therefore the heliocentric model is wrong too? You have to see that your logic is flawed. Is this really that hard to see?
I also like that he completely ignored my question of how the geocentric model explains Lagrange points.
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Re: Heliocentrism, the most widely accepted lie ever told?
« Reply #134 on: March 03, 2013, 12:18:48 pm »
Actually, from the guy who's arguing with me on YouTube, apparently geocentrists (who think the earth is the center of the universe), believe that heliocentrism states the same thing, just with the sun:
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Okay, lets do heliocentric as well. Your position is that the ENTIRE milky way and the ENTIRE universe has to revolve around the sun and at some point, objects must exceed speed of light. Therefore the heliocentric model is wrong too? You have to see that your logic is flawed. Is this really that hard to see?
I also like that he completely ignored my question of how the geocentric model explains Lagrange points.

La Grange points?

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