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Date Rape Thought Experiment
« on: March 29, 2013, 06:34:35 pm »

Steven Landsburg, an economics professor at the University of Rochester, has a little though experiment for us all. I'll include the link, but it goes a little something like this:

One person has an aversion to pornography, and absolutely hates knowing that other people view it. He inists that he has been inflicted with a "psychic harm." A second person, this time an environmentalist, is outraged by the desecration of the environment and, likewise, suffers a "psychic harm" from this. The third person is passed out and then raped by a handful of individuals a la the Steubenville victim. She has no memory of the incident, suffers no physical trauma, does not become pregnant and does not suffer from a sexually-transmitted disease afterward. Since there is no tangible harm, the harm to this woman is comparable to the harm done to the first and second individuals. Therefore one should doubt the reasons for criminalizing such rapes when the rapists take care to cover up their crime. Or, as Professor Landsburg puts it: "As long as I’m safely unconsious and therefore shielded from the costs of an assault, why shouldn’t the rest of the world (or more specifically my attackers) be allowed to reap the benefits?" He goes on to compare being raped while unconscious to "trillions of photons" penetrating his body whenever someone on his street turns the porch light on.

The article, called "Censorship, Environmentalism and Steubenville" can be found here.

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Re: Date Rape Thought Experiment
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2013, 06:50:40 pm »
So, going with his conclusions here, If I were to walk up and hit him hard enough to leave him with no memory of the event and in a coma long enough for the damage to heal, then he's suffered no perceptable injury? Notably, I live close enough to take this up with him personally.

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Re: Date Rape Thought Experiment
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2013, 06:59:01 pm »
So, going with his conclusions here, If I were to walk up and hit him hard enough to leave him with no memory of the event and in a coma long enough for the damage to heal, then he's suffered no perceptable injury? Notably, I live close enough to take this up with him personally.
You wouldn't even have to go that far. Just ask him if the handkerchief you're carrying smells like chloroform. Then, whatever happens happens.

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2013, 07:09:45 pm »
So, going with his conclusions here, If I were to walk up and hit him hard enough to leave him with no memory of the event and in a coma long enough for the damage to heal, then he's suffered no perceptable injury? Notably, I live close enough to take this up with him personally.
You wouldn't even have to go that far. Just ask him if the handkerchief you're carrying smells like chloroform. Then, whatever happens happens.
I go with the phsyical hit just to point out that perception of something doesn't shape the whole reality of a situtation. There are concerns well beyond immediate perception that go along with such an activity. But this guy's arguing about fucking property rights, so he's probably not worth the time.

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Re: Date Rape Thought Experiment
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2013, 07:21:14 pm »
I hope my friend doesnt have him or my sister had him

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Re: Date Rape Thought Experiment
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2013, 07:27:23 pm »
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Re: Date Rape Thought Experiment
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2013, 07:32:47 pm »
That's an interesting theory he's got there. I trust he's got enough faith in his own statements that he'd be willing to test it out on himself, right?

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Re: Date Rape Thought Experiment
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2013, 07:36:16 pm »
You know, I was gonna type a well thought out reply examining why raping the unconscious is a bad thing but it's just easier to call him a douche and be done with it because any well thought out reply would only be using a lot of words to hide the fact that I am just calling him a douche.
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Re: Date Rape Thought Experiment
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2013, 08:20:17 pm »
It is incredible, the knots moronic Randroids can tie themselves into. The only reason they're not considered two-bit conspiracy theorists in the vein of Scientology et al is that their views are profitable.
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Re: Date Rape Thought Experiment
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2013, 08:50:04 pm »
I wonder how he'd feel if I pissed on his mother's grave, posted pictures on the net, and told all his friends and colleagues about it.
It's not like I did anything more than water the grass right?

Or maybe a copious amount of semen on the hood and door handles of his car would get the point across better. Hell, I'd even leave a  twenty under the wiper to pay for the car wash so he had nothing to complain about.

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Re: Date Rape Thought Experiment
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2013, 11:47:50 pm »
I wonder how he'd feel if I pissed on his mother's grave, posted pictures on the net, and told all his friends and colleagues about it.
It's not like I did anything more than water the grass right?

Or maybe a copious amount of semen on the hood and door handles of his car would get the point across better. Hell, I'd even leave a  twenty under the wiper to pay for the car wash so he had nothing to complain about.

Better yet, masturbate all over his mother's tombstone, take pictures and post them online.
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Re: Date Rape Thought Experiment
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2013, 11:52:05 pm »
Being unconscious never voids one's right to their own body. Seriously, this guy is a fucking rape apologist and the U of Rochester should be ashamed of having him there. If you seriously think being ticked at porn and ecological disasters is on the same level as having your body physically violated and abused without your consent and then being shamed for it, you need to sit on a cactus and rotate (to borrow Morgenleoht's term).
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2013, 12:16:14 am »
If we shot him in the head, I doubt he'd remember that.
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Re: Date Rape Thought Experiment
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2013, 04:31:01 am »
If we shot him in the head, I doubt he'd remember that.

I don't think he'd remember much of anything.
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Re: Date Rape Thought Experiment
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2013, 07:23:59 am »
If we shot him in the head, I doubt he'd remember that.

I don't think he'd remember much of anything.

Because he would be dead.