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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #180 on: September 11, 2013, 12:59:19 pm »
Anyone thinking deja vu with Reagan's Star Wars if this was a bluff on the US' part?
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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #181 on: September 11, 2013, 01:49:24 pm »
Anyone thinking deja vu with Reagan's Star Wars if this was a bluff on the US' part?
They weren't bluffing, they were just giving everyone a chance to talk their way out of it first.

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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #182 on: September 11, 2013, 02:52:02 pm »
Anyone thinking deja vu with Reagan's Star Wars if this was a bluff on the US' part?
They weren't bluffing, they were just giving everyone a chance to talk their way out of it first.
I meant on Obama's position to take action earlier, but ok.
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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #183 on: September 11, 2013, 02:53:13 pm »
To actually have been a bluff, Obama would've had to been suffering from a brain disorder.

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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #184 on: September 11, 2013, 05:34:27 pm »
Or maybe the whole thing has been a cooperative international pressure tactic against Assad from the beginning, with diplomatic strategists figuring he's an unsophisticated clod who can be guided into being trapped in a corner, since there is enough proof to condemn him anyway. Obama's role is the "bad cop", Putin is the "good cop", NATO plays the role of mommy, and Assad finally cries "uncle".
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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #185 on: September 11, 2013, 06:44:00 pm »
I think that's being a little optimistic.
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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #186 on: September 11, 2013, 07:12:07 pm »
Had this discussion with a right-leaning friend.

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Me: Anyone think the Obama's wanting to take action may be a bluff? I'm suddenly reminded of Star Wars.

Friend: It clearly is a bluff, Obama doesn't have the balls to just go and do it. He also tried to force this, and because of that, set us up for a lose-lose situation. If it were Bush, Clinton, etc, we'd have been in there and raised all hell.

However now, it gets more complex, mainly cause we have like, only France in support. Obama's threat to go to war, to invade, and to remove the weapons are seemingly more and more intangible. Now here is Syria thinking "Hey, these guys aren't going to war, they're just blowing smoke". Every one of these hesitations make oppressors more confident, Hitler's aggressive before WW2 ringing a bell?

It's now a double edged sword. Go to war: be labeled as a war monger (much like how Obama portrayed Bush), lose lives, raise taxes, increase spending, continue to confuse Middle East relations. Don't go to war: Be labeled as an indecisive leader, show a weak resolve, promote future aggresion through appeasement.

So here we are, with a UN that is about as useful as a water-gun (Gee, thanks everyone!), Putin preventing war (Or at least stalling for Syria) to serve his own initiative, and Obama posing like some tough-guy president.

The only winners are the oppressors now. Syria, North Korea, etc. are starting to get used to these idle threats. I mean seriously, now we're getting news that NK is restarting their plutonium nuclear factory for bombs already.

Funny how this is eerily reminiscent of the prelude to WW2. League of Nations, USSR, economical turmoil seem to be checked. All that we're missing is something like pre-WW2 Japan and Germany.

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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #187 on: September 11, 2013, 07:52:27 pm »
Had this discussion with a right-leaning friend.

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Me: Anyone think the Obama's wanting to take action may be a bluff? I'm suddenly reminded of Star Wars.

Friend: It clearly is a bluff, Obama doesn't have the balls to just go and do it. He also tried to force this, and because of that, set us up for a lose-lose situation. If it were Bush, Clinton, etc, we'd have been in there and raised all hell.

However now, it gets more complex, mainly cause we have like, only France in support. Obama's threat to go to war, to invade, and to remove the weapons are seemingly more and more intangible. Now here is Syria thinking "Hey, these guys aren't going to war, they're just blowing smoke". Every one of these hesitations make oppressors more confident, Hitler's aggressive before WW2 ringing a bell?

It's now a double edged sword. Go to war: be labeled as a war monger (much like how Obama portrayed Bush), lose lives, raise taxes, increase spending, continue to confuse Middle East relations. Don't go to war: Be labeled as an indecisive leader, show a weak resolve, promote future aggresion through appeasement.

So here we are, with a UN that is about as useful as a water-gun (Gee, thanks everyone!), Putin preventing war (Or at least stalling for Syria) to serve his own initiative, and Obama posing like some tough-guy president.

The only winners are the oppressors now. Syria, North Korea, etc. are starting to get used to these idle threats. I mean seriously, now we're getting news that NK is restarting their plutonium nuclear factory for bombs already.

Funny how this is eerily reminiscent of the prelude to WW2. League of Nations, USSR, economical turmoil seem to be checked. All that we're missing is something like pre-WW2 Japan and Germany.

Yippee

Huh, this probably the first time I've read a conservative argument that had actual points of merit to it in well over a year. Although I'm not quite sure Obama wouldn't do it if it were more politically convenient. If more Americans supported intervention, I have no doubt that Obama would go ahead with the bombing. But with 61% of the country opposed to intervention, it would be very bad politically for Obama to circumvent Congress and bomb Syria. It would be Unconstitutional as well, but our political leaders don't care much about the Constitution except during election years. And even then, they care only about the parts of it that they agree with.

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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #188 on: September 11, 2013, 08:01:08 pm »
I just saw a post with a guy in uniform saying 'I didn't join the Navy to fight for Al Quaeda in Syria.'

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Re: Fun times in Syria
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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #190 on: September 11, 2013, 08:30:18 pm »
I just saw a post with a guy in uniform saying 'I didn't join the Navy to fight for Al Quaeda in Syria.'
Which is strange given I've seen 2 military men saying they're willing to go, one of which I've quoted somewhere before.
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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #191 on: September 11, 2013, 08:31:35 pm »
Had this discussion with a right-leaning friend.

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Me: Anyone think the Obama's wanting to take action may be a bluff? I'm suddenly reminded of Star Wars.

Friend: It clearly is a bluff, Obama doesn't have the balls to just go and do it. He also tried to force this, and because of that, set us up for a lose-lose situation. If it were Bush, Clinton, etc, we'd have been in there and raised all hell.

However now, it gets more complex, mainly cause we have like, only France in support. Obama's threat to go to war, to invade, and to remove the weapons are seemingly more and more intangible. Now here is Syria thinking "Hey, these guys aren't going to war, they're just blowing smoke". Every one of these hesitations make oppressors more confident, Hitler's aggressive before WW2 ringing a bell?

It's now a double edged sword. Go to war: be labeled as a war monger (much like how Obama portrayed Bush), lose lives, raise taxes, increase spending, continue to confuse Middle East relations. Don't go to war: Be labeled as an indecisive leader, show a weak resolve, promote future aggresion through appeasement.

So here we are, with a UN that is about as useful as a water-gun (Gee, thanks everyone!), Putin preventing war (Or at least stalling for Syria) to serve his own initiative, and Obama posing like some tough-guy president.

The only winners are the oppressors now. Syria, North Korea, etc. are starting to get used to these idle threats. I mean seriously, now we're getting news that NK is restarting their plutonium nuclear factory for bombs already.

Funny how this is eerily reminiscent of the prelude to WW2. League of Nations, USSR, economical turmoil seem to be checked. All that we're missing is something like pre-WW2 Japan and Germany.

Yippee

Huh, this probably the first time I've read a conservative argument that had actual points of merit to it in well over a year. Although I'm not quite sure Obama wouldn't do it if it were more politically convenient. If more Americans supported intervention, I have no doubt that Obama would go ahead with the bombing. But with 61% of the country opposed to intervention, it would be very bad politically for Obama to circumvent Congress and bomb Syria. It would be Unconstitutional as well, but our political leaders don't care much about the Constitution except during election years. And even then, they care only about the parts of it that they agree with.
So, what he's saying is that we're stuck between Iraq...

...and a hard place.




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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #192 on: September 11, 2013, 08:42:39 pm »
Had this discussion with a right-leaning friend.

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Me: Anyone think the Obama's wanting to take action may be a bluff? I'm suddenly reminded of Star Wars.

Friend: It clearly is a bluff, Obama doesn't have the balls to just go and do it. He also tried to force this, and because of that, set us up for a lose-lose situation. If it were Bush, Clinton, etc, we'd have been in there and raised all hell.

However now, it gets more complex, mainly cause we have like, only France in support. Obama's threat to go to war, to invade, and to remove the weapons are seemingly more and more intangible. Now here is Syria thinking "Hey, these guys aren't going to war, they're just blowing smoke". Every one of these hesitations make oppressors more confident, Hitler's aggressive before WW2 ringing a bell?

It's now a double edged sword. Go to war: be labeled as a war monger (much like how Obama portrayed Bush), lose lives, raise taxes, increase spending, continue to confuse Middle East relations. Don't go to war: Be labeled as an indecisive leader, show a weak resolve, promote future aggresion through appeasement.

So here we are, with a UN that is about as useful as a water-gun (Gee, thanks everyone!), Putin preventing war (Or at least stalling for Syria) to serve his own initiative, and Obama posing like some tough-guy president.

The only winners are the oppressors now. Syria, North Korea, etc. are starting to get used to these idle threats. I mean seriously, now we're getting news that NK is restarting their plutonium nuclear factory for bombs already.

Funny how this is eerily reminiscent of the prelude to WW2. League of Nations, USSR, economical turmoil seem to be checked. All that we're missing is something like pre-WW2 Japan and Germany.

Yippee

Huh, this probably the first time I've read a conservative argument that had actual points of merit to it in well over a year. Although I'm not quite sure Obama wouldn't do it if it were more politically convenient. If more Americans supported intervention, I have no doubt that Obama would go ahead with the bombing. But with 61% of the country opposed to intervention, it would be very bad politically for Obama to circumvent Congress and bomb Syria. It would be Unconstitutional as well, but our political leaders don't care much about the Constitution except during election years. And even then, they care only about the parts of it that they agree with.
So, what he's saying is that we're stuck between Iraq...

...and a hard place.




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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #193 on: September 12, 2013, 01:10:34 am »
Had this discussion with a right-leaning friend.

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Me: Anyone think the Obama's wanting to take action may be a bluff? I'm suddenly reminded of Star Wars.

Friend: It clearly is a bluff, Obama doesn't have the balls to just go and do it. He also tried to force this, and because of that, set us up for a lose-lose situation. If it were Bush, Clinton, etc, we'd have been in there and raised all hell.

However now, it gets more complex, mainly cause we have like, only France in support. Obama's threat to go to war, to invade, and to remove the weapons are seemingly more and more intangible. Now here is Syria thinking "Hey, these guys aren't going to war, they're just blowing smoke". Every one of these hesitations make oppressors more confident, Hitler's aggressive before WW2 ringing a bell?

It's now a double edged sword. Go to war: be labeled as a war monger (much like how Obama portrayed Bush), lose lives, raise taxes, increase spending, continue to confuse Middle East relations. Don't go to war: Be labeled as an indecisive leader, show a weak resolve, promote future aggresion through appeasement.

So here we are, with a UN that is about as useful as a water-gun (Gee, thanks everyone!), Putin preventing war (Or at least stalling for Syria) to serve his own initiative, and Obama posing like some tough-guy president.

The only winners are the oppressors now. Syria, North Korea, etc. are starting to get used to these idle threats. I mean seriously, now we're getting news that NK is restarting their plutonium nuclear factory for bombs already.

Funny how this is eerily reminiscent of the prelude to WW2. League of Nations, USSR, economical turmoil seem to be checked. All that we're missing is something like pre-WW2 Japan and Germany.

Yippee

Nope, still stupid.
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Re: Fun times in Syria
« Reply #194 on: September 12, 2013, 01:35:12 am »
Nope, still stupid.

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