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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2014, 11:28:48 am »
Orson Scott Card. Homophobic asshole, but I still like his books.

I remember when the Ender's Game film finally became a thing, and the boycotts began. Someone on the internet, I think one of the TGWTG crew, made a blog talking about how we shouldn't boycott the film because it'll ruin the careers of the non-Orson Scott Card people involved in it.

I speak as someone who actually acts professionally (I make money from it), and someone who's been part of film productions. If I was given the chance to be part of the movie, I'm divided on what I would do. It's an extremely prominent Hollywood film, and networking is the most vital part to a successful acting career. I've gotten closer to living the dream simply by going out and working in the business than I ever did while trying to get through college as a theatre major. At the same time, my own personal beliefs regarding civil rights would leave a bad taste in my mouth if I willingly participated in a project that would give profit and prominence to such a hateful, backwards man.

In the end, you act at your own risk. People talk about the crew, but those guys are going to be fine; unless we're talking something like a remake of Birth of a Nation, nobody is going to give the crew and production team a hard time for their project. Electricians, script supervisors, and camera operators will always be able to find work regardless of how bad one of their big projects tanks. But for an actor, every project you take is a major risk. Even if you get paid millions up front and become independently wealthy from that single project, one slipup can ruin you. Sometimes that's a risk you have to take. But sometimes it's a risk you should acknowledge and avoid.

I don't feel bad about refusing to see Ender's Game (or at the very least, refusing to pay for any Orson Scott Card product). The boycott against the film began where there was barely anything but a teaser trailer available, and his loud stance on homosexuality has been well known for years before then; nobody should have gone into the production blind regarding what backlash could have occurred (and did occur).

And in reality, it seems like nothing actually happened to ruin anyone's careers: almost all of the actors had established careers (yes, even the kid playing Ender), and the director probably got more shit for X-Men Origins: Wolverine than he did for Ender's Game.
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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2014, 10:47:33 am »
How about Harlan Ellison?  What a douche he is.

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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2014, 11:21:36 am »
How about Harlan Ellison?  What a douche he is.
True dat. I've seen him give talks and on panels at conventions. He's an ass.

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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2014, 11:29:30 am »
I've only heard stories about the guy. There was one I wish I could find again where he started rather creepily hitting on a woman at a convention or something and she totally shut him down.
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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2014, 08:11:48 pm »
Andrew Hussie (he knows good and well what. He did)

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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2014, 12:09:55 am »
James Brown. Good singer, spectacular flamboyant fashion sense, HORRIBLE HUMAN BEING.
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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2014, 12:27:44 am »
Andrew Hussie (he knows good and well what. He did)

*raises hand* I don't.
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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2014, 11:33:46 am »
Andrew Hussie (he knows good and well what. He did)

*raises hand* I don't.

Me, neither.

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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2014, 03:36:21 pm »
Tom Cruise:  Hell of an actor, hell of an arrogant power-hungry, mainpulative piece of shit.

 
Whenever I hear a politician speaking strongly for or against abortion, all I hear is, "I have no idea how to fix the economy!"

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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2014, 04:04:21 pm »
Andrew Hussie (he knows good and well what. He did)
Did he kill off your favorite character?

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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2014, 10:01:28 pm »
I got a couple Isyama Hajime of SNK fame
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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2014, 11:53:24 pm »
There is a novel about that very thing, exploring the two lives of Adolf Hitler (the one he actually lived, and the one he could have lived had he been accepted in the Art School that rejected him before WWI). It's called La Part de L'Autre by french autor Eric-Emmanuel Schmitt. It's incredibly poignant and well written. I wonder if it was ever translated in english though.

Edit : apparently not. Though it was translated in german.
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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2014, 11:57:02 pm »
Andrew Hussie (he knows good and well what. He did)
Did he kill off your favorite character?
I think it's more that one comic he did a long time ago or something along the lines of that, which I've heard of or haven't seen. I haven't asked what it could be since I'm sure Homestucks refuse to speak of it.

Also, Kefka, SNK as in Shin Nihon Kikaku or that that Attack on Titan manga and anime (I've recently discovered the correct translation is "Attack of the Titans") that everybody crows about?

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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2014, 12:21:38 am »
What, three pages and no mention of Alfred Hitchcock OR Stanley Kubrick? They both have fantastic movies but dear god did they terrorize their casts to make them.
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Re: Good artists, bad people
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2014, 12:36:32 am »
Along those lines, remember Orson Welles? You know, Citizen Kane, that radio version of War of the Worlds that freaked everyone out? Apparently he was really hard to work with.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6P1ifGjvEE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6P1ifGjvEE</a>
(Granted, this is... towards the end of his career, after he'd burnt most of his bridges already.)


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