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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #60 on: January 09, 2012, 03:25:36 am »
Never did it myself, either.  At first, it was a religious thing, but, after having been broken of that, I still didn't recite the pledge...ideological differences, if you will.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #61 on: January 09, 2012, 11:14:39 am »
In some European countries, Holocaust denial is against the law.

As much as I abhor Holocaust denial, I'm not terribly fond of laws banning the expression of those opinions.

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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2012, 12:15:46 pm »

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« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2012, 02:21:02 pm »

Because Congress refusing to actually confirm anyone simply because the president was appointing them shows so much respect for the system, too.

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Oh, more of the “He fought for your rights so you would never use them” bullshit.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #64 on: January 09, 2012, 02:23:20 pm »


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T_T Just... ugh...
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #65 on: January 09, 2012, 02:28:05 pm »
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Oh, more of the “He fought for your rights so you would never use them” bullshit.

And when was the last war that was fought to prevent an actual threat?
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« Reply #66 on: January 09, 2012, 03:30:32 pm »
Possibly the fight in Afghanistan. Assuming the enemy over there was in any sort of position to launch further strikes. But then again, then the actual threat to our rights, as opposed to our personal safety, actually came from Congress.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #67 on: January 09, 2012, 03:46:54 pm »
Try getting a skinhead to actually admit he's racist first. Or doesn't like Jewish people. Or black people. I've run into a few people who insist it's just a fashion genre.

For some people it is.  Particularly SHARPs (Skin Heads Against Racial Prejudice).  IIRC, you can identify a SHARP by their bootlaces: red laces over black boots (interestingly, I met a SHARP once who wore Oxblood Grinders with black laces for the same reason).  True Skins generally wear white laces over black boots (get it?).  Of course, there are those on both sides that wear black/black because they don't bother to change the laces or just don't care/know.

There are other indicators that I don't recall offhand since it's been quite a few years since I have been around any SHARPs (or True Skins).  SHARPs and True Skins are often (not always) rival factions.

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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #68 on: January 09, 2012, 03:50:15 pm »
Possibly the fight in Afghanistan. Assuming the enemy over there was in any sort of position to launch further strikes. But then again, then the actual threat to our rights, as opposed to our personal safety, actually came from Congress.

The irony is that Afghanistan never posed any kind of threat to our actual rights. All the shit that's been dismantled, is being dismantled, is stuff that we're doing to ourselves. Wrapped in a flag, and carrying the cross.
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« Reply #69 on: January 09, 2012, 07:17:16 pm »
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Oh, more of the “He fought for your rights so you would never use them” bullshit.

And when was the last war that was fought to prevent an actual threat?

The American Right likes to think that it is being persecuted on all ends by Muslims and commies. They still live in the 50's mindset that a nuke is going to drop and blow us all up any minute now if we don't worship the military-industrial complex and recite mindless jingoistic mantras.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #70 on: January 09, 2012, 07:36:38 pm »
Having served in the US Military I can say the pledge definitely has it's place, and I encourage its use for military personnel and other government workers (such as politicians) as upholding it is a part of their specific duty. I do not, however, think it really belongs in our schools. Children are not able to really understand it when it's first done (I remember it being recited as early as Kindergarten, though I can't remember if it was in pre-school or not), and putting it in such a place makes them feel it's a necessity instead of a choice. Some people desire to move to another country when they grow up (for whatever reason), and there's also the issue of exchange students and students who are a citizen of multiple countries. I also do not appreciate it made into something that people will mindlessly recite, as that is one of the best ways to degrade it into complete meaninglessness.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #71 on: January 09, 2012, 07:44:47 pm »
Having served in the US Military I can say the pledge definitely has it's place, and I encourage its use for military personnel and other government workers (such as politicians) as upholding it is a part of their specific duty. I do not, however, think it really belongs in our schools. Children are not able to really understand it when it's first done (I remember it being recited as early as Kindergarten, though I can't remember if it was in pre-school or not), and putting it in such a place makes them feel it's a necessity instead of a choice. Some people desire to move to another country when they grow up (for whatever reason), and there's also the issue of exchange students and students who are a citizen of multiple countries. I also do not appreciate it made into something that people will mindlessly recite, as that is one of the best ways to degrade it into complete meaninglessness.

It makes sense in the military and the government, because in that case you really are working for the sake of your country. It's the school pledges that make my blood boil, because it's imposing a belief system on children who don't necessarily accept it. There are a number of foreign exchange students at my school (from Argentina, Northern Ireland, Germany, etc.) and none of them stand to do the pledge. There are even teachers who have immigrated from other countries, and they do not stand to do the pledge.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #72 on: January 09, 2012, 08:35:30 pm »
I am bothered by the idea of pledging allegiance to a flag. As opposed to what the flag represents. Might be a bit pedantic, but it still bugs me.
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« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2012, 09:02:05 pm »
I would actually prefer a pledge to the constitution than the flag, as I feel it makes far more sense. I would say pledging it to the country as a whole and its ideals would be better, but I think the constitution holds the ideals in as concrete a manner as possible.
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Re: Worst Political Cartoons
« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2012, 09:19:56 pm »
I would actually prefer a pledge to the constitution than the flag, as I feel it makes far more sense. I would say pledging it to the country as a whole and its ideals would be better, but I think the constitution holds the ideals in as concrete a manner as possible.
This I agree with. The Constitution actually has an explicit message, so you can actually have a sort of allegiance to that.
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