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Re: AZ Birther /Law Maker wants holiday for White Folks
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2012, 12:14:45 am »
White people shouldn't feel guilty but minorities are owed.

One is owed equal rights, treatment, and opportunities.  One is owed for their own personal suffering, humiliation, discrimination...  But if you're a person of a minority race, I don't believe you're owed some form of clan debt incurred by one person's ancestors against your ancestors.  And sure, I might say that as a privileged mostly-caucasian Canadian, but in fairness, how many cultures have NEVER at some point in their history done some hideous inhumane thing to the people of another?

Wait, equal rights opportunities, anti-racism legislation, etc aren't part of some 'clan debt'? I don't mean that each and every white person has to go and personally apologise for earlier actions, I just think that governments should acknowledge it, say sorry on a collective basis and then try and rectify it through equal opportunity acts, greater funding for welfare, education and so on.

Also, most cultures and ethnic groups have done shit in the past, you are right. But it is not as if the native Americans managed to invade Europe and colonise it while destroying entire cultures and ethnic groups. They never went to China, bought millions of slaves and carried them over to Europe to work on farms, treated them as property and institutionalised racism against them.

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Re: AZ Birther /Law Maker wants holiday for White Folks
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2012, 12:26:50 am »
"Payback" is not the point of affirmative action laws. "Evening the playing field" is the point, because minorities are at an inherent disadvantage due to white privilege and institutionalized racism.
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Re: AZ Birther /Law Maker wants holiday for White Folks
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2012, 12:27:42 am »
The reason we need specific times to recognize the achievements of blacks and Latinos is because otherwise, students won't be told about them in many curriculi.  I wish there was no need for things like Black History Month or Latino Day.  I wish that history was truly taught from an unbiased standpoint, and that all contributions were acknowledged in the basic curriculum.  Unfortunately, that isn't so.  It's not even deliberate in many cases.  A lot of the time, teachers just don't think about it because they weren't taught about it in school.  So we have these events to remind them that, hey, not everyone in history was white.
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Re: AZ Birther /Law Maker wants holiday for White Folks
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2012, 12:43:18 am »
Yeah, at a certain point all the teachers I know groan, "Oh, not another dead white guy."
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Re: AZ Birther /Law Maker wants holiday for White Folks
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2012, 01:41:39 am »
"Payback" is not the point of affirmative action laws. "Evening the playing field" is the point, because minorities are at an inherent disadvantage due to white privilege and institutionalized racism.

I agree it's not payback. Just that evening the field means pushing back the other way.

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Re: AZ Birther /Law Maker wants holiday for White Folks
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2012, 09:11:15 am »
The reason we need specific times to recognize the achievements of blacks and Latinos is because otherwise, students won't be told about them in many curriculi.  I wish there was no need for things like Black History Month or Latino Day.  I wish that history was truly taught from an unbiased standpoint, and that all contributions were acknowledged in the basic curriculum.  Unfortunately, that isn't so.  It's not even deliberate in many cases.  A lot of the time, teachers just don't think about it because they weren't taught about it in school.  So we have these events to remind them that, hey, not everyone in history was white.

This.  So much this.

We need to fix the history curriculum BADLY.
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Re: AZ Birther /Law Maker wants holiday for White Folks
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2012, 08:16:59 pm »
The reason we need specific times to recognize the achievements of blacks and Latinos is because otherwise, students won't be told about them in many curriculi.

Well of course.  In the scenario where nobody would have a 'day', history WOULD be taught honestly and without cultural bias.  I guess it means that in this current society we do need them because as mentioned, some push-back is required to even things out.  But ultimately, if the ground WERE even, those holidays wouldn't be necessary.

And by 'clan debt' I mean an overcompensation out of guilt, more than is warranted to give people equal opportunities in life.  I shouldn't be constantly bombarded with the cultural message that I should feel guilty because of my race, or that I owe someone else because of theirs.
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Re: AZ Birther /Law Maker wants holiday for White Folks
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2012, 12:00:00 am »
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Re: AZ Birther /Law Maker wants holiday for White Folks
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2012, 12:09:31 am »
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Re: AZ Birther /Law Maker wants holiday for White Folks
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2012, 08:24:33 pm »
Being completely colorblind, or trying to, isn't realistic either, because it glosses over differences that can affect interpersonal relationships.

The ideal might be to understand, accept, and work with those differences, without focusing on them or stereotyping people based on them...  However, I foresee a glitch:  Humans, as a species, love to be able to categorize and label everything.  From subspecies of bacteria and types of rock to emotions and ideas, humans want a concrete verbal symbol to represent the minutia of their world.  But that desire also makes us very prone to stereotyping. 

Stereotyping is almost certainly a survival tactic, it's a form of conditioned response so that you don't have to think about the situation if you might be in danger.  And people are, by and large, mentally lazy.  So getting them to understand that people are different along cultural or racial lines without them forming stereotypes is going to be really, really difficult.
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Re: AZ Birther /Law Maker wants holiday for White Folks
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2012, 09:14:37 pm »
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