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Britain Vs. Argentina: Is on the verge of an actual Royal Rumble
« on: February 01, 2012, 07:35:50 pm »
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Today, as the 30th anniversary of the two nations’ war over the South Atlantic's Falklands approaches, tensions have risen, with Britain accusing Argentina of “colonialism” for pursuing its claim.

On Jan. 30, Britain announced it was deploying the destroyer HMS Dauntless to the South Atlantic, replacing a less powerful warship that is there now. Today Prince William, second-in-line to the British throne, began his Royal Air Force posting to the Falklands – arriving, as many Argentineans saw it, in “the uniform of the conqueror," even though he is flying a search-and-rescue helicopter.

The Royal Navy denies either move is significant, saying it has long had a presence in the South Atlantic and the replacement of one warship with another is “routine.”

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n June 2011, Argentinean President Cristina Fernandez described Britain as a “crass colonial power in decline” after it refused to hold talks over the islands. Britain has said it will only agree to talks if Falkland residents – who are British citizens and wish to remain British, the government argues – request them.

Yesterday, Britain’s National Security Council discussed the Falkland’s defenses. Today Prime Minister David Cameron told Parliament that Britain was committed to protecting the islands and that it was up to the Falklanders to determine their nationality.

"What the Argentineans have been saying recently, I would argue, is actually far more like colonialism because these people want to remain British and the Argentineans want them to do something else."

Argentina's interior minister, Florencio Randazzo, hit back, describing Mr. Cameron’s words as “totally offensive.” Foreign Minister Hector Timerman described Britain as "a synonym for colonialism."

For the 3,000 Falklanders – who opinion polls suggest, have no strong feeling either way about their nationality – the squabbling has disrupted their lives, bringing higher food prices. The Islands’ economy, driven by raising sheep and fishing the in the rich waters of the area, generates about $170 million a year.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2012/0201/Why-Britain-and-Argentina-are-tussling-again-over-the-Falklands

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Re: Britain Vs. Argentina: Is on the verge of an actual Royal Rumble
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2012, 08:11:00 pm »
I'm with the Falkland's citizens on this:  They want to remain British, but the Argentine government has yet to show that they take that into account.

One thing I've heard a few times is that there is an idea in Argentina that the lands are actually Argentine, but when Argentine citizens go there, they get a shock by seeing just how British the place is and the islanders have no interest in becoming part of Argentina.
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2012, 09:44:12 pm »
I have yet to see a reason why the wishes of the Falklanders should not be taken into account; indeed, why they should not be the determining factor.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2012, 09:55:35 pm »
Yeah, why don't they just resolve this shit once and for all with an election among the Falklanders?
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2012, 10:03:25 pm »
Yeah, why don't they just resolve this shit once and for all with an election among the Falklanders?

Because the president of Argentina doesn't actually want that as she suspects (rightly) that the Islanders will want to stay British.  This would make her rhetoric look very hollow and she uses the Falklands to garner popular support.

It's interesting to note that many on the left in South America have a similar viewpoint (not all, there is a growing minority in Argentina who think the Falklands should remain British), namely Evo Morales and Hugo Chavez.  It's interesting to note that they say that they rule by the will of the people don't take the will of the Islanders into account when shouting down Britain for Colonialism.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2012, 10:12:56 pm »
Yeah, why don't they just resolve this shit once and for all with an election among the Falklanders?

Because the president of Argentina doesn't actually want that as she suspects (rightly) that the Islanders will want to stay British.  This would make her rhetoric look very hollow and she uses the Falklands to garner popular support.

It's interesting to note that many on the left in South America have a similar viewpoint (not all, there is a growing minority in Argentina who think the Falklands should remain British), namely Evo Morales and Hugo Chavez.  It's interesting to note that they say that they rule by the will of the people don't take the will of the Islanders into account when shouting down Britain for Colonialism.
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2012, 10:21:57 pm »
Fuck blind nationalism. Fuck it in the ungoddamned ass with a flagpole.

In case you can't tell, I find it endlessly frustrating that Falklands is still a thing in modern Argentinian politics.
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2012, 03:32:57 am »
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with Britain accusing Argentina of “colonialism” for pursuing its claim.

Funny.

The fact is that the Falklands matters not a whit, not to either side. It has no strategic importance to the British. It has no economic importance to the Argentinians. It makes slightly more geographic sense for the island to be Argentinian than British. And if the population (of a few hundred) really wish to be British, they have every right to sell their property at market rates and take a plane ride- the Argentinian air force would probably provide the trip free, even.

The only real importance those damn islands have is electoral.
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Re: Britain Vs. Argentina: Is on the verge of an actual Royal Rumble
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2012, 06:56:52 am »
So are things going poorly enough in Argentina that the government needs something to distract the masses and ramp up national pride again?


It really didn't go so well for the Argentinian government the last time they tried it.

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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2012, 07:04:01 am »
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with Britain accusing Argentina of “colonialism” for pursuing its claim.

Funny.

The fact is that the Falklands matters not a whit, not to either side. It has no strategic importance to the British. It has no economic importance to the Argentinians. It makes slightly more geographic sense for the island to be Argentinian than British. And if the population (of a few hundred) really wish to be British, they have every right to sell their property at market rates and take a plane ride- the Argentinian air force would probably provide the trip free, even.

The only real importance those damn islands have is electoral.

IIRC there was talk about drilling for oil which kinda ups the ante.

If the Islanders want to stay part of Britian, then so be it.

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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2012, 07:38:12 am »
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with Britain accusing Argentina of “colonialism” for pursuing its claim.

Funny.

The fact is that the Falklands matters not a whit, not to either side. It has no strategic importance to the British. It has no economic importance to the Argentinians. It makes slightly more geographic sense for the island to be Argentinian than British. And if the population (of a few hundred) really wish to be British, they have every right to sell their property at market rates and take a plane ride- the Argentinian air force would probably provide the trip free, even.

The only real importance those damn islands have is electoral.

Better yet, if both the Fauklands general population and the British government want the Fauklands to remain British, then they can bloody well remain British. It certainly trumps the fact that the islands are closer to Argentina.

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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2012, 08:02:28 am »
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2012, 10:17:58 am »
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with Britain accusing Argentina of “colonialism” for pursuing its claim.

Funny.

The fact is that the Falklands matters not a whit, not to either side. It has no strategic importance to the British. It has no economic importance to the Argentinians. It makes slightly more geographic sense for the island to be Argentinian than British. And if the population (of a few hundred) really wish to be British, they have every right to sell their property at market rates and take a plane ride- the Argentinian air force would probably provide the trip free, even.

The only real importance those damn islands have is electoral.

Eh?  You're saying they should leave?  Why?
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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2012, 04:16:58 pm »
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with Britain accusing Argentina of “colonialism” for pursuing its claim.

Funny.

The fact is that the Falklands matters not a whit, not to either side. It has no strategic importance to the British. It has no economic importance to the Argentinians. It makes slightly more geographic sense for the island to be Argentinian than British. And if the population (of a few hundred) really wish to be British, they have every right to sell their property at market rates and take a plane ride- the Argentinian air force would probably provide the trip free, even.

The only real importance those damn islands have is electoral.

Eh?  You're saying they should leave?  Why?

Because apparently geographical location trumps the will of the people.

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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2012, 10:05:20 pm »
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with Britain accusing Argentina of “colonialism” for pursuing its claim.

Funny.

The fact is that the Falklands matters not a whit, not to either side. It has no strategic importance to the British. It has no economic importance to the Argentinians. It makes slightly more geographic sense for the island to be Argentinian than British. And if the population (of a few hundred) really wish to be British, they have every right to sell their property at market rates and take a plane ride- the Argentinian air force would probably provide the trip free, even.

The only real importance those damn islands have is electoral.

Eh?  You're saying they should leave?  Why?

Because Argentina, apparently, REALLY REALLY wants the Falkland Islands. To stop them getting it cost lives- like, thousands of lives. The benefit of them not getting it was... negligible. The convenience of a few hundred people? Any more than that?
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