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Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« on: July 23, 2014, 11:10:51 pm »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/joseph-rudolph-wood-execution-inmate-dies-2-hours-after-lethal-injection-1.2716311

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Lawyers for 55-year-old Joseph Rudolph Wood filed an emergency appeal with the U.S. Supreme Court while the execution was underway, demanding that it be stopped. The appeal said Wood was "gasping and snorting for more than an hour."

Word that Justice Anthony Kennedy denied the appeal came about a half hour after Wood's death.

Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne's office said Wood, a convicted murderer, was pronounced dead at 3:49 p.m., one hour and 57 minutes after the execution began.

Wood gasped more than 600 times before he died.

Meanwhile, the victims' families:

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Family members of the victims said they had no problems with the way the execution was carried out.

"This man conducted a horrific murder and you guys are going, 'Let's worry about the drugs,'" said Richard Brown. "Why didn't they give him a bullet?"
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2014, 11:21:43 pm »
So much for forbidding a "cruel and unusual punishment."

Also, pardon me, but I'm going to be an asshole for a moment.

Richard Brown, your mindset is just as bad, if not worse, than the mindset of the man who was just executed.  I know how you got to that mindset, but there's no excuse.  There is little that is more immoral than a thirst for vengeance.

I would show him more sympathy, but he lost that right when he displayed the same callous disregard for human life as the killer did.  We don't let sociopaths make excuses, why should I let a neurotypical make excuses for his behavior?
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2014, 11:29:22 pm »
If they had given him a bullet, that would have been far quicker than two hours, I'll admit. I've never been in a position where I would be apt to seek out vengeance, so I will withhold judgement for Mr. Brown. He has obviously suffered far worse than I ever have.

If we are going to execute people, we should do it in the fastest, least painful way possible.
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2014, 11:34:18 pm »
Because a fucking bullet is so much more cruel than this! Sedate, then shoot. It's that fucking simple. If you have to kill a man, that's all you fucking need.
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2014, 11:34:30 pm »
You all realize this is at least the second time this has happened in the past couple months right? A similar thing happened in Oklahoma not long ago.
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2014, 11:37:29 pm »
If they had given him a bullet, that would have been far quicker than two hours, I'll admit. I've never been in a position where I would be apt to seek out vengeance, so I will withhold judgement for Mr. Brown. He has obviously suffered far worse than I ever have.

If we are going to execute people, we should do it in the fastest, least painful way possible.

Of course, we could just abandon this barbaric abuse of the legal system and imprison them for the rest of their lives.  Such is our moral imperative as a society living in the 21st century.

The government has no business quenching people's thirst for blood.  There is never a case where someone legitimately needs to die for you to achieve peace and resolution.  There are other ways.

Murder is murder.  Making it legal doesn't change its moral impact.  That is why I have such a strong problem with capital punishment, and a stronger problem with the people who passionately defend it.
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2014, 11:48:23 pm »
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Family members of the victims said they had no problems with the way the execution was carried out.

"This man conducted a horrific murder and you guys are going, 'Let's worry about the drugs,'" said Richard Brown. "Why didn't they give him a bullet?"

Call me crazy, but I don't think the families of the victims have the most objective point of view in this situation.


I've said this before, but after millennia of humans finding more and more creative ways to kill each other, something is seriously wrong when the state somehow can't figure out a reliably quick way to kill someone. And I suspect the answer is that they're not even trying.
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2014, 11:50:08 pm »
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Family members of the victims said they had no problems with the way the execution was carried out.

"This man conducted a horrific murder and you guys are going, 'Let's worry about the drugs,'" said Richard Brown. "Why didn't they give him a bullet?"

Call me crazy, but I don't think the families of the victims have the most objective point of view in this situation.


I've said this before, but after millennia of humans finding more and more creative ways to kill each other, something is seriously wrong when the state somehow can't figure out a reliably quick way to kill someone. And I suspect the answer is that they're not even trying.

Part of the issue is that the drug cocktails they were using in the past were effective and you didn't hear about these sorts of things nearly so often, but the companies that made the drugs decided they didn't want their drugs linked to executions, so they decided that one of the stipulations on selling the drugs would be that they would never be used in executions.
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2014, 11:55:39 pm »
Shooting, Guillotine or Hanging. The first two can be made 100% proof (fire several bullets at once... Make the guillotine blade really heavy) and the worst that can happen in hanging is that the rope snaps. (hanging can also go wrong and turn into decapitation, but that is still a quick way to go rather than AGONIZING 2 HOURS!)

But those are more "savage" than the "humane" execution method of lethal injection. The problem is not that there isn't a quick and relatively painless way to kill someone, the problem is the lethal injection has the best PR.

OR... You could just stop executing people. That would also work.
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2014, 11:58:47 pm »
Fun fact: Because of all the appeals, death penalty cases end up being more expensive on average than ones where the maximum punishment is life imprisonment.
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2014, 12:03:21 am »
Amazing.  Just amazing.

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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2014, 12:03:32 am »
Part of the issue is that the drug cocktails they were using in the past were effective and you didn't hear about these sorts of things nearly so often, but the companies that made the drugs decided they didn't want their drugs linked to executions, so they decided that one of the stipulations on selling the drugs would be that they would never be used in executions.


That's part of the issue, yeah. The other part is the desire to use drugs to carry out capital punishment because they look far less barbaric, despite the whole "risking a painful, drawn-out death" thing.
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2014, 12:11:47 am »
If they had given him a bullet, that would have been far quicker than two hours, I'll admit. I've never been in a position where I would be apt to seek out vengeance, so I will withhold judgement for Mr. Brown. He has obviously suffered far worse than I ever have.

If we are going to execute people, we should do it in the fastest, least painful way possible.

Of course, we could just abandon this barbaric abuse of the legal system and imprison them for the rest of their lives.  Such is our moral imperative as a society living in the 21st century.

The government has no business quenching people's thirst for blood.  There is never a case where someone legitimately needs to die for you to achieve peace and resolution.  There are other ways.

Murder is murder.  Making it legal doesn't change its moral impact.  That is why I have such a strong problem with capital punishment, and a stronger problem with the people who passionately defend it.
Easy there. I wasn't defending the death penalty passionately. I'm not even sure how I feel about it; I was simply presenting an analysis of how it should be done if we do do it. And as for there never being a case where someone must die in order for you to have peace, you might want to think about that. This might apply to you, in which case I take it back preemptively, but until you have been in a situation where you have experienced what Richard Brown experienced, can you be certain you would not want revenge? Then again, maybe it's good that decisions are made by people who haven't been in Richard's position, to keep emotions out of it.
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2014, 12:15:13 am »
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Re: Man takes 2 hours to die after lethal injection
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2014, 01:46:26 am »
If they had given him a bullet, that would have been far quicker than two hours, I'll admit. I've never been in a position where I would be apt to seek out vengeance, so I will withhold judgement for Mr. Brown. He has obviously suffered far worse than I ever have.

If we are going to execute people, we should do it in the fastest, least painful way possible.

Of course, we could just abandon this barbaric abuse of the legal system and imprison them for the rest of their lives.  Such is our moral imperative as a society living in the 21st century.

The government has no business quenching people's thirst for blood.  There is never a case where someone legitimately needs to die for you to achieve peace and resolution.  There are other ways.

Murder is murder.  Making it legal doesn't change its moral impact.  That is why I have such a strong problem with capital punishment, and a stronger problem with the people who passionately defend it.
Easy there. I wasn't defending the death penalty passionately. I'm not even sure how I feel about it; I was simply presenting an analysis of how it should be done if we do do it. And as for there never being a case where someone must die in order for you to have peace, you might want to think about that. This might apply to you, in which case I take it back preemptively, but until you have been in a situation where you have experienced what Richard Brown experienced, can you be certain you would not want revenge? Then again, maybe it's good that decisions are made by people who haven't been in Richard's position, to keep emotions out of it.

I wasn't saying you were defending it passionately, I was talking about people who do.

And I don't know if I would want revenge if someone close to me died.  But even if I did, it would still be wrong, and I would be wrong.
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