Congress may give Native American land to mining company

[I am lizard]

http://rt.com/usa/211531-native-indian-lands-mining/
Now where're heading to the 1850's...
(Apologies if I fucked everything up)

[Second Coming of Madman]

It's not even been voted on yet, as far I know. Thus, there's still time to prevent it's passing.

[ironbite]

And there's a big black man who can just veto this.

Ironbite-panic when it happens.

[I am lizard]

Apologies i fucked up.

[Ultimate Paragon]

Apologies i fucked up.

It's okay.  We've all made mistakes.

[Sylvana]

And there's a big black man who can just veto this.

Ironbite-panic when it happens.

Lets see, the big black man vetoing something that will increase a wealthy corporation's profits? Its going to pass so quickly and easily that you wont even see it in congress. It will just wiz in and wiz out passed.

Then again, perhaps I am being overly cynical. Perhaps something magical will happen and it wont.

[Askold]

Or perhaps this will simply be delayed until Jeb Bush (or some other Republican) is elected in 2016.

[Random Gal]

http://rt.com/usa/211531-native-indian-lands-mining/
Now where're heading to the 1850's...
(Apologies if I fucked everything up)

Really? FUCK. THIS. SHIT. After all the broken treaties, all the genocidal massacres, and just when we seemed to be making a little progress in healing old wounds some asshole decides to set us back by 150 years. Haven't these people suffered enough already?

[Damen]

Fuck, its a rider bill on the NDAA? Yep, its gonna pass.

“Its your ancesteral burial and medicenal ground? Fuck you, there's copper under them thar bones!"

[SCarpelan]

This is not the first time I'm amazed about the stupidity of the whole rider bill system. Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

[dpareja]

This is not the first time I'm amazed about the stupidity of the whole rider bill system. Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

The same people who thought it might be a good idea to be able to change bills from their originally introduced form to something a majority of legislators would be willing to vote for. Amendments are not an inherently bad thing.

[SCarpelan]

This is not the first time I'm amazed about the stupidity of the whole rider bill system. Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

The same people who thought it might be a good idea to be able to change bills from their originally introduced form to something a majority of legislators would be willing to vote for. Amendments are not an inherently bad thing.

Amending a bill is a different issue and it's a good parliamentary practice. Not requiring the amendments to directly relate to the original bill is what's broken.

[dpareja]

This is not the first time I'm amazed about the stupidity of the whole rider bill system. Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

The same people who thought it might be a good idea to be able to change bills from their originally introduced form to something a majority of legislators would be willing to vote for. Amendments are not an inherently bad thing.

Amending a bill is a different issue and it's a good parliamentary practice. Not requiring the amendments to directly relate to the original bill is what's broken.

Sure, but who decides what's related to the original bill? Similar provisions elsewhere (like the "money bill" provision in the Parliament Act 1911 in the UK) work because the person making the decision (in that case, the Speaker of the House of Commons) is strictly non-partisan, but there's no comparable position in the US.

[SCarpelan]

Sure, but who decides what's related to the original bill? Similar provisions elsewhere (like the "money bill" provision in the Parliament Act 1911 in the UK) work because the person making the decision (in that case, the Speaker of the House of Commons) is strictly non-partisan, but there's no comparable position in the US.

Not having a position or a mechanic to decide such issue is a serious flaw in the system. You gave yourself an example showing that it is possible to have a control mechanism for amendments in a political system.

Edit: fixed a typo

[mellenORL]

What was that old Playstation game, like ten years ago, where you roll around a ball creature and collect everything into it's mass, like a rolling snowball? Yeah, that's what these rider add-on bill packages look like. Just hundreds of unrelated random bills, all stuck together in an unappetizing cancerous blob, several hundred to several thousands of pages long. The shear mass of written material hides a lot of rats and roaches, basically.