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Re: The use of firearms by Finnish police
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2014, 11:15:23 am »
Another issue is that prosecutors depend on police to act as investigators in crimes. If prosecutors start going after the police, the police could well become rather less cooperative.

Which is why you make a simple clear cut law that says every incident is investigated by a completely separate entity that has no ties to the local community or police.

The cops can hate them all they want, a special investigator has no reason to give a fuck.

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Re: The use of firearms by Finnish police
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2014, 11:18:01 am »
Another issue is that prosecutors depend on police to act as investigators in crimes. If prosecutors start going after the police, the police could well become rather less cooperative.

Which is why you make a simple clear cut law that says every incident is investigated by a completely separate entity that has no ties to the local community or police.

The cops can hate them all they want, a special investigator has no reason to give a fuck.

Okay then, about these special investigators, quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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Re: The use of firearms by Finnish police
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2014, 11:52:28 am »
Another issue is that prosecutors depend on police to act as investigators in crimes. If prosecutors start going after the police, the police could well become rather less cooperative.

Which is why you make a simple clear cut law that says every incident is investigated by a completely separate entity that has no ties to the local community or police.

The cops can hate them all they want, a special investigator has no reason to give a fuck.

Okay then, about these special investigators, quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

It's a democracy, ultimately that responsibility falls on our collective shoulders. The best thing to do is make sure there is lots of light on the subject so there is less room for darkness to hide and set the rules up so they can't simply act with impunity.

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Re: The use of firearms by Finnish police
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2014, 05:04:49 pm »
In my opinion, 90% of the problem is a lack of accountability. If you stuff up badly, no mercy. No cops should ever investigate cops.
"We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong."

I wouldn't say 90%, it's closer to 62%.
Another issue is that prosecutors depend on police to act as investigators in crimes. If prosecutors start going after the police, the police could well become rather less cooperative.
Erm, isn't this precisely the reason why Internal Affairs departments or whatever they're called elsewhere are a thing?