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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1785 on: January 05, 2020, 02:31:29 am »
It's completely suitable to fight climate change.I get what he's saying but that was phrased rather poorly.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1786 on: January 07, 2020, 09:34:08 am »


"Gays existing is literally causing society to collapse. Am I right, my fellow alt-right neckbeards?"

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1787 on: January 12, 2020, 09:59:15 pm »
This shameful liason does not deserve prison

I know this is a double post, but this is so... disgusting that I have to deal with it. In fact, I'm going to make a breakdown of it to show how bad it is.

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Looking at the case of Madeleine Martin, the 39-year-old RE teacher and mother of two, jailed for 32 months and placed on the sex offenders' register for sleeping with a 15-year-old male pupil, do we seriously think that a female teacher sleeping with a male pupil is on a par with a male teacher sleeping with a girl pupil? I don't. And neither, I'd wager, would most 15-year-old boys.

Well, at least she lets the reader know what they're getting into right away.

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The issue shouldn't be taken lightly. All teachers, male and female, are in a position of trust and should not abuse it, though reading of Martin and the boy having sex in car parks, of her buying him mobile phones and tattoos with her name on "so he wouldn't forget her", of her failing marriage and terminally ill sister, Martin seems more pathetic than predatory.

"Yeah, she molested a teenager, but..."

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Certainly, she has been severely punished for her nine-day tryst with the teenager, who, his mother says, has been mocked by peers. If anything, one would have thought they might be jealous. The internet is awash with sites dealing with "older woman teacher-pupil" fantasies.

I don't doubt it. But there are also a lot of teenage girls who fantasize about sleeping with a hot male teacher. There's an important difference between sexual fantasies about sex offenses and actual sex offenses: one is a harmless romp in the bedroom, and the other is an utterly depraved crime.

Why are you trying to justify this based on sex fantasies? Lots of women have rape fantasies, that doesn't mean it's not wrong to actually rape them! This is not hard to understand.

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And there lies the rub – should the law be treating male and female pupil victims equally when male and female teenagers are so different?

Whether we like it or not, secondary schools are hubs of teenage sexuality. However, while girl and boy teenagers deserve the same protection, crucially what they want seems very different.

There are always exceptions, but surely one of the essential differences between the teenage sexes lies in the onset and manifestation of sexuality. Which is a posh way of saying that teenage boys mainly want sex, while teenage girls mainly want attention. Likewise, while teenage boys are usually sexually driven, teenage girls tend to be validation-driven.

This seemed to be the case when I was supping my can of Vimto in the fifth form common room trying (and failing) to look alluring and still rings true today.

...And? Even if this is true, how does that mitigate what this predator did?

When I interviewed young people on this topic, it was clear: girls (still) only invited censure by being sexually active, while for boys it was (still) win-win: excitement, experience ("practice," one called it), bragging rights, kudos.

Care to give details about this "study" of yours? Assuming you even conducted it at all? You're a rape apologist, I'm not giving you any goddamn slack.

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From here, it is not too much of a leap to surmise that sexual contact with a teacher would have entirely different effects on the teenage sexes. For most boys, it would be the score of all scores, for girls, the ultimate exploitation of their genetic vulnerability.

While a large proportion of teenage boys may not have the sense to make the best choices, they are "up for it," none the less. This is why, in my view, a male teacher sleeping with a girl pupil amounts to statutory rape, whereas a female teacher sleeping with a 15-year-old male is a far greyer moral area.

Okay, I can't keep calm anymore. This is fucking vile.

Would it be a "moral gray area" to rape a slut? How would you feel about being a teenage boy, getting molested by a female teacher, and being told you're not a REAL victim because you have a dick?!

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Even from the perpetrator's side there seems to be a gender difference. Most would agree that a male with a 15-year-old girl would be all about sex. With Martin, (the mobiles, the tattoo "so he wouldn't forget her"), it seems painfully apparent that in her own damaged, wrong-headed way, she was attempting to mimic a proper relationship.

You're being far too generous to this bitch. I'd say she was manipulating him like the molester she is.

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Maybe it is time for society to address this issue honestly. Why do we blithely accept that "men and women are different", but refuse to acknowledge that the teenage sexes are also different? Does anyone believe that males and females suddenly become different, at, say, 21?

I have a better question.

WHO THE FUCK CARES?! A RAPE IS A RAPE IS A RAPE!

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Once we accept this difference, the justification for the equality of punishment starts blurring. In Martin's case, with her hefty prison sentence, and placement on the sex offenders' register, she has effectively been punished exactly the same as a man. What we have to ask ourselves now, is, knowing what we do about teenage boys, do women like her always commit exactly the same crime?

...Wow. It's not often you see somebody pretty much come right out and say "we want equality, but not when it might be bad for us." Unfortunately, saying sex crimes are less serious when it's a male victim and a female perpetrator is far more common.

Maddy is a worthless waste of oxygen. A walking argument for after-birth abortion. And so are you, Barb. As far as I'm concerned, you can go fuck yourself. Cunt.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1788 on: January 13, 2020, 12:22:36 am »
It seems a bit off, particularly seeing as  I understood the suggestion that most of Epstein's victims were 17 years old (including the girl who slept with Prince Andrew).

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1789 on: January 13, 2020, 12:25:55 am »
I had a feeling this Barbara Ellen was a TERF because a bunch of Guardian column-writing self-declared "feminist" rape apologists tend to be and while there's nothing conclusive yet I've definitely found some pretty questionable shit that indicates she may be.

http://archive.md/3REJK
Even when ostensibly criticizing Germaine Greer's awful comments on rape (oh how ironic given the circumstances in the post above) she can't help but describe the older woman as, and I quote: a "fiendishly brainy, internationally celebrated feminist academic"

http://archive.md/s8I8y
She thinks parents should be allowed to spy on their kids, which is a little weird tbh.

http://archive.md/hmIWz
She really hates nudity (I've found several article like this, and they always include jabs at FEMEN, a feminist activist group.)

http://archive.md/36QRU
"Some women seem to be transforming their mate simply to render him repulsive to the opposite sex" is a REALLY fucking weird article.

http://archive.md/rwnsf
She left the Labor party in part because "moderate" became an insult. Lord knows what she would have thought of MLK's comments about how the white moderates were letting him down.

Can't find any conclusive TERFiness, but I definitely got a huge whiff of the typical "Guardian Lib" vibes. The kind of person who is just kind of trapped in a very specific bubble of thought and lashes out at people & groups to their left for being a little too uppity. So it's not surprising their are some issues (like what Vanto posted about) where they just have weird conservative opinions that old that women somehow can't also be predators.

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Re: Not-Good Things People Say on the Internet
« Reply #1790 on: January 13, 2020, 01:09:42 am »
OKay so um I found another wild one: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/30/aubrey-ireland-helicopter-parents-nightmare-children (http://archive.md/3yz7x)

Pity 21-year-old Aubrey Ireland, a music student at the University of Cincinnati, who's just won a restraining order against her parents. They must now stay at least 500 yards from her and make no contact until next autumn. Despite Ms Ireland sounding like an exemplary student, the parents installed spyware software on her mobile and computer and regularly arrived unannounced at her university. They accused her of being promiscuous and on drugs and informed her tutors she had mental health issues.

All of which has reignited the longstanding debate about helicopter parents, the overprotective control freaks who hover over their children's lives, even after they become adults, unable or unwilling to let go. Except now the oft-maligned helicopters have been re-branded "stalker parents", which, this extreme case aside, sounds a bit rude.

I've pondered before on helicopter parents, who I'm sure exist, but are perhaps outnumbered by the lesser known lifeboat parents, whose only crime is endlessly to fish their children out of messes, however much they'd rather be sitting down with a tumbler of Baileys, watching Homeland. Oh hang on, they're just parents.

I even feel a modicum of sympathy for the misguided parents of Aubrey Ireland. I've been there – well, not quite so extreme – in the shivering, crazy-eyed, cold dark wastelands of parental paranoia. Once you've been there, the idea of stalker parenting doesn't sound pretty, but it doesn't seem unthinkable either.

What smug "Oh I would never do that" parents of younger children don't realise is that older children (glorious, autonomous, often preternaturally idiotic) can drive a person literally insane with anxiety.

I actually feel sorry for new parents and their terrible innocence. Do they genuinely believe that getting through nappies and sleepless nights signals the end of the most difficult stressful part of parenting? Please excuse me while I lean back in my chair and emit a ghastly hollow laugh that barely sounds human.

As for all this ill-mannered talk of stalking, who's stalking whom exactly? While some parents might deserve the label, what about stalker children who don't leave their parents alone? We all know of the failure to launch phenomenon, where reasonably solvent, capable adult children opt never to leave home. Then there are the ones who leave, but, justifiably or otherwise, require endless bankrolling. That's financial stalking. Even when they become parents themselves, it doesn't stop. When I first started selfishly exploiting the good nature of my child's grandparents, it was relatively unusual. These days, it's on the verge of being mandatory.

Some people won't even get a break between parenting and grandparenting. Having a large gap between my children, I could easily end up looking after a grandchild before I've even finished buying Ikea shoe-hangers for the youngest to take to university or prison. I've worked out that I may have as little as 25 minutes, enough for a quick flick through Grazia, before another round of childrearing begins. And with the amount of people starting second, even third, families, I'm far from alone. Gone are the days when grandchildren were perceived as a second chance, another shot – these days, it's just as likely to be a continuum. Let's call it gestational stalking.

The point is that, while all the focus is on children unable to escape from parents, sometimes it's not that simple. People can bang on about helicopters, but sometimes the helicopter stops its hysterical hovering and lands, or indeed crashes; either way, it gets to the ground and stays there. Similarly, most parent stalkers are likely to snap out of it, realising they're no longer needed in quite the same way. So my sympathies to Ms Ireland in Cincinnati, but probably she would agree that this was rather an extreme case. In general, the truth is more complex and, where the stalking is concerned, far from one-sided.

Decided to bold the most... fascinating parts of this because thats quite a jinkies thesis we have going on here. Like... financial stalking? You fuckin what mate?

It's SUPER fucking creepy to use this whataboutism when it comes to stalking or abusing and manipulating grown children.