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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2016, 09:12:57 pm »
A firestorm of controversy?
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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2016, 02:31:36 am »
Yeah, and then we could await the reaction by the entitled nerd bunch.

I'm guessing it'd be whining.
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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2016, 09:56:42 am »
Is it bad that, if I actually got popular as a game designer, I'd do something like what Lizard said just for shits and giggles?  Because you fucking know that shit would sell because of all the butthurt (no pun intended) it'd cause.  I'd laugh all the way to the bank.
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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2016, 10:19:57 am »
I don't know, not many gamers got angry about the borderline ridiculous female-oriented fanservice in the Metal Gear games.

Also, I think it's ridiculous to obsess over a character's image and personality before the game is even released.

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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2016, 10:23:14 am »
I don't know, not many gamers got angry about the borderline ridiculous female-oriented fanservice in the Metal Gear games.

Also, I think it's ridiculous to obsess over a character's image and personality before the game is even released.

On the other hand, there's no better time to obsess oflver things like this than before release, because if you wait until afterwards, any changes you might desire will be a hell of a lot harder to push through, and the characters personality is mostly set in stone by that point.
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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2016, 10:31:48 am »
I don't know, not many gamers got angry about the borderline ridiculous female-oriented fanservice in the Metal Gear games.

Also, I think it's ridiculous to obsess over a character's image and personality before the game is even released.

On the other hand, there's no better time to obsess oflver things like this than before release, because if you wait until afterwards, any changes you might desire will be a hell of a lot harder to push through, and the characters personality is mostly set in stone by that point.

Speaking of personality, why are they assuming the pose to be out of character for her?  Granted, I don't know much about Overwatch, but the complainer honestly came off like he was arguing that only women with certain personalities should be even remotely "sexual."

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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2016, 10:43:52 am »
Yeah, it's almost as if he didn't even slut shame the vamp character!
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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2016, 10:48:07 am »
That was explained in the quote I put in the OP. One of the beta-testers explained why he felt that pose to be out of character AND explained that he wouldn't have minded if a character like Widowmaker had instead been posing sexily. The difference is that Tracer is all about being cheery and spunky and whatnot while Widowmaker is seduces and then kills (sometimes just kills) people.
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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2016, 10:54:12 am »
Yeah, it's almost as if he didn't even slut shame the vamp character!

That's not the point.  My point is that he seems to be operating under the belief that only characters defined by their sexuality should be at all sexual.  That seems... kind of unfortunate to me.

That was explained in the quote I put in the OP. One of the beta-testers explained why he felt that pose to be out of character AND explained that he wouldn't have minded if a character like Widowmaker had instead been posing sexily. The difference is that Tracer is all about being cheery and spunky and whatnot while Widowmaker is seduces and then kills (sometimes just kills) people.

Fair enough, but the fact that the playtester made assumptions about a character in an unfinished game kind of rubs me the wrong way.  After all, it's a work in progress, and any number of things can change at any time.
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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2016, 11:21:59 am »
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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2016, 12:06:57 pm »
UP, wouldn't that be the best time to bring that up then? While they're still developing it. While they can still change it.
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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2016, 12:24:28 pm »
UP, wouldn't that be the best time to bring that up then? While they're still developing it. While they can still change it.

Except much of his argument centered around it being out of character for Tracer.  In other words, he was basing it on the personality of a character in an unfinished game.  Fact is, things change in development.  Maybe the team decides to take a character in a different direction.  When you get right down to it, he was assuming they didn't want to tweak her characterization.  So ironically, he didn't want her to be changed.

And games get modified after release all the time.  In League of Legends, for example, the titular league was retconned away because Riot found it unnecessarily restraining.

By the way, I found this parody of the original complaint:

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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2016, 12:33:59 pm »
Right. I understand that. Which is why I'm not understanding your objection. Would it be better to wait till the game has been out a while before addressing inconsistencies in a characters personality?
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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2016, 12:40:19 pm »
You know why he's objecting to this. 

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Re: Overwatch and the rage over the "butt-pose"
« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2016, 12:40:57 pm »
Right. I understand that. Which is why I'm not understanding your objection. Would it be better to wait till the game has been out a while before addressing inconsistencies in a characters personality?

Again, the game is still in development, so how did he know it's inconsistent?  Her personality still hasn't been officially finalized, so there's a question mark over how "out of character" the pose is.  Granted, he turned out to be right, but he couldn't have known that at the time.  For all he knew, some changes were being planned behind the scenes, and this pose was the first one to be implemented.