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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2745 on: January 10, 2019, 08:35:41 am »
He was gonna talk about some of the upcoming changes to the DREAMER program and DACA I believe.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2746 on: January 10, 2019, 11:30:36 am »
It is hypocritical for the Democrats to oppose the 5 billion for the wall because it pales in comparison to the big spending that the Democrats support. This shutdown wouldn’t have fucking happened if the Democrats agreed to the House bill that funds the wall. Trump cannot cave in on the issue of wall, because that would be breaking his number 1 campaign promise, and that would cause him to lose support from his baseand not win re-election in 2020. Hopefully he will declare a National Emergency and use his executive power to build the wall.

Luckily a patriotic American has established a GoFundMe on the border wall which has already raised millions of dollars.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2747 on: January 10, 2019, 11:49:08 am »
It is hypocritical for the Democrats to oppose the 5 billion for the wall because it pales in comparison to the big spending that the Democrats support. This shutdown wouldn’t have fucking happened if the Democrats agreed to the House bill that funds the wall. Trump cannot cave in on the issue of wall, because that would be breaking his number 1 campaign promise, and that would cause him to lose support from his baseand not win re-election in 2020. Hopefully he will declare a National Emergency and use his executive power to build the wall.

Luckily a patriotic American has established a GoFundMe on the border wall which has already raised millions of dollars.

There are more problems with the wall than just the price tag. One of the biggest is the fact that it probably wouldn't work. Illegal immigrants aren't stupid, they can find ways to get past it.

I don't like illegal immigration either, but there are better ways of combating it. Really, it doesn't matter how "cheap" something is if it's a waste of money. Using that five billion to pay illegals to go back would be less of a waste.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2748 on: January 10, 2019, 12:10:37 pm »
It is hypocritical for the Democrats to oppose the 5 billion for the wall because it pales in comparison to the big spending that the Democrats support. This shutdown wouldn’t have fucking happened if the Democrats agreed to the House bill that funds the wall. Trump cannot cave in on the issue of wall, because that would be breaking his number 1 campaign promise, and that would cause him to lose support from his baseand not win re-election in 2020. Hopefully he will declare a National Emergency and use his executive power to build the wall.

Luckily a patriotic American has established a GoFundMe on the border wall which has already raised millions of dollars.

There are more problems with the wall than just the price tag. One of the biggest is the fact that it probably wouldn't work. Illegal immigrants aren't stupid, they can find ways to get past it.

I don't like illegal immigration either, but there are better ways of combating it. Really, it doesn't matter how "cheap" something is if it's a waste of money. Using that five billion to pay illegals to go back would be less of a waste.

It will be impossible to climb over the tall wall. The only other way they could get in would be if they travelled by road or plane. There can be border patrol  at the border checkpoint on the highways, as well as at the airports to prevent that from happening.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2749 on: January 10, 2019, 12:25:26 pm »
I'm not sure if Creeper is sarcastic or not but saying that Trump can't back down on his wall idea is false for numerous reasons.

a) Many of his fans insisted that the wall was metaphorical rather than a real actual wall. This because while they did want to keep the "scary brown people" out they also understood that a wall would not work and would be a stupid idea. Aside from how easy it is to go past "THE WALL" and how most illegal immigrants are actually people who came in legally but overstayed, it wouldn't even protect USA against the terrorists despite this being one of the main talking points for it. There have been no terrorists ever caught on the borders of USA, all the ones that came in from abroad came on a plane and many were caught on airports.

b) Having established that the wall would not work and is a stupid idea, doing something like that purely out of pig-headed stubborness is stupid. Sensible adults will readjust their plans after they see that their original plan is flawed.

c) Trump doesn't even like being a president. He hates the responsibility and how the media spotlight is on him and how he can't just do things his way because he has to actually do politics.

d) It's likely that he's going to be in jail or pardoned by Pence before the next elections.

There is literally 0 downsides to not making a massive and unnecessary wall. He won't lose a single supporter for it. They don't want a wall, they either want political decisions that help the rich and undo anything that Obama did or simply want laws and political decisions that keep away non-whites from USA. None of that actually requires a wall. I'd even bet that building a wall would bring in loads of more people from Mexico for the construction project and as usual some would stay in the country.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2750 on: January 10, 2019, 12:53:15 pm »
I'm not sure if Creeper is sarcastic or not but saying that Trump can't back down on his wall idea is false for numerous reasons.

a) Many of his fans insisted that the wall was metaphorical rather than a real actual wall. This because while they did want to keep the "scary brown people" out they also understood that a wall would not work and would be a stupid idea. Aside from how easy it is to go past "THE WALL" and how most illegal immigrants are actually people who came in legally but overstayed, it wouldn't even protect USA against the terrorists despite this being one of the main talking points for it. There have been no terrorists ever caught on the borders of USA, all the ones that came in from abroad came on a plane and many were caught on airports.

b) Having established that the wall would not work and is a stupid idea, doing something like that purely out of pig-headed stubborness is stupid. Sensible adults will readjust their plans after they see that their original plan is flawed.

c) Trump doesn't even like being a president. He hates the responsibility and how the media spotlight is on him and how he can't just do things his way because he has to actually do politics.

d) It's likely that he's going to be in jail or pardoned by Pence before the next elections.

There is literally 0 downsides to not making a massive and unnecessary wall. He won't lose a single supporter for it. They don't want a wall, they either want political decisions that help the rich and undo anything that Obama did or simply want laws and political decisions that keep away non-whites from USA. None of that actually requires a wall. I'd even bet that building a wall would bring in loads of more people from Mexico for the construction project and as usual some would stay in the country.

a) Not sure which fans you are talking about, but I know that many fans think it is supposed to be an actual wall. A major fan of his Ann Coulter pressured him into getting funds for a wall. Therefore Ann Coulter’s followers would turn against him if he backs down.

And families crossing right at the border has reached a record high. CNN admits it. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/09/politics/southern-border-family-arrests/index.html

b) This argument can be used against Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi because they are being to stubborn to agree to any amount of wall funding or a deal of wall funding in exchange for DACA amnesty.

c) Trump likes to get attention when it is positive attention so having many supporters turn against him is his worst fear.

d) In America, you are innocent until proven guilty, so they investigators would need to find direct proof that he committed a crime for him to be convicted which they will never find. All the investigators found was that some people under him committed crimes but they didn’t even find enough evidence to bring him on trial.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2751 on: January 10, 2019, 01:15:11 pm »
Trump's supporters care more about reducing illegal immigration than they care about building a wall. If he managed to do it without a wall, I don't think they'd care.

And the investigation is still ongoing, so don't be too confident in that.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2752 on: January 10, 2019, 02:42:52 pm »
Trump's supporters care more about reducing illegal immigration than they care about building a wall. If he managed to do it without a wall, I don't think they'd care.

And the investigation is still ongoing, so don't be too confident in that.

And since border crossings are at an all time high according to CNN, and the caravans from Central America, I don’t think there is a better way to do so. Only a wall or tall fence can ensure that every single location on the US Mexico border cannot be crossed without going through a checkpoint.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2753 on: January 10, 2019, 03:14:38 pm »
1. I believe there actually have been terrorists caught who entered the US by crossing a land border... the northern one. (Maybe Scott Walker was right about where the wall should go? PS I'm Canadian.)

2. Many, if not most, undocumented immigrants in the US are people who entered the country legally on a tourist visa and then overstayed it.

3. If you want to deal with the caravans coming from Latin America, you have to understand why they're coming: because they're fleeing gang violence in their own countries. What fuels that violence? Drugs, because of the US's insane "War on Drugs". End that, and you sharply curtail the power of those gangs, which in turn reduces violence, which in turn reduces the number of people fleeing north.

4. At least a plurality of Americans don't want a wall and are blaming Trump for the shutdown, not Congressional Democrats.

5. Any physical barrier across the US-Mexico border would necessarily have holes, because otherwise it'd be destroyed by water. And the costs of maintaining such a barrier would be astronomical.

6. As for Democrats being "big spenders", at least a lot of their proposals are for things that would actually help the public at large--and would save money. When Republicans spend big, it's for things that don't, like illegal invasions.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2754 on: January 10, 2019, 03:50:43 pm »
1. I believe there actually have been terrorists caught who entered the US by crossing a land border... the northern one. (Maybe Scott Walker was right about where the wall should go? PS I'm Canadian.)

2. Many, if not most, undocumented immigrants in the US are people who entered the country legally on a tourist visa and then overstayed it.

3. If you want to deal with the caravans coming from Latin America, you have to understand why they're coming: because they're fleeing gang violence in their own countries. What fuels that violence? Drugs, because of the US's insane "War on Drugs". End that, and you sharply curtail the power of those gangs, which in turn reduces violence, which in turn reduces the number of people fleeing north.

4. At least a plurality of Americans don't want a wall and are blaming Trump for the shutdown, not Congressional Democrats.

5. Any physical barrier across the US-Mexico border would necessarily have holes, because otherwise it'd be destroyed by water. And the costs of maintaining such a barrier would be astronomical.

6. As for Democrats being "big spenders", at least a lot of their proposals are for things that would actually help the public at large--and would save money. When Republicans spend big, it's for things that don't, like illegal invasions.

1. I believe there actually have been terrorists caught who entered the US by crossing a land border... the northern one. (Maybe Scott Walker was right about where the wall should go? PS I'm Canadian.)

2. Many, if not most, undocumented immigrants in the US are people who entered the country legally on a tourist visa and then overstayed it.

3. If you want to deal with the caravans coming from Latin America, you have to understand why they're coming: because they're fleeing gang violence in their own countries. What fuels that violence? Drugs, because of the US's insane "War on Drugs". End that, and you sharply curtail the power of those gangs, which in turn reduces violence, which in turn reduces the number of people fleeing north.

4. At least a plurality of Americans don't want a wall and are blaming Trump for the shutdown, not Congressional Democrats.

5. Any physical barrier across the US-Mexico border would necessarily have holes, because otherwise it'd be destroyed by water. And the costs of maintaining such a barrier would be astronomical.

6. As for Democrats being "big spenders", at least a lot of their proposals are for things that would actually help the public at large--and would save money. When Republicans spend big, it's for things that don't, like illegal invasions.

1. The border between the US and Canada is way too long for a wall.

2. While that is true, that doesn’t change the fact that a significant number cross the US Mexican Border. CNN admits it. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/09/politics/southern-border-family-arrests/index.html

3. How does waging a war against drug gangs in the US affect what is going on in Latin America? It prevents those gangs from causing trouble in the US.

4. A thing that you have to take into account is that there are definitely a lot of closet Trump supporters because they might live in areas where they could be harassed or even attacked by Antifa if they openly support him. Me, Shawn, and Jacob live in the Democrat state of Massachusetts so we cannot openly wear MAGA hats without fearing harassment or even getting attacked.

5. While water can damage a concrete barrier, a steel barrier will be better at withstanding water.

6. You mean like funding Planned Parenthood’s infantacides, and funding welfare instead of encouraging hard work. And it was  the corrupt establishment NeoCon Republicans that spent money on unnecessary wars. Trump is a great populist Republican who is ending US foreign military interventions, such as withdrawing troops from Syria, and the Democrats showed themselves to be hypocrites when they criticized him for it because they used to be against involvement in foreign wars.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2755 on: January 10, 2019, 04:00:53 pm »
This shutdown wouldn’t have fucking happened if the Democrats agreed to the House bill that funds the wall.

There has never BEEN a House bill that funds one cent for the fucking wall.  Maybe you should ask your hero and the party he's supposed to be head of why they didn't bother with the absolutely necessary wall while they had complete control of the government?

It will be impossible to climb over the tall wall.

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b) This argument can be used against Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi because they are being to stubborn to agree to any amount of wall funding or a deal of wall funding in exchange for DACA amnesty.

This was in fact the deal offered in 2018, which was rejected.  Buy who?  Trump, of course.

6. You mean like funding Planned Parenthood’s infantacides, and funding welfare instead of encouraging hard work. And it was  the corrupt establishment NeoCon Republicans that spent money on unnecessary wars. Trump is a great populist Republican who is ending US foreign military interventions, such as withdrawing troops from Syria, and the Democrats showed themselves to be hypocrites when they criticized him for it because they used to be against involvement in foreign wars.

This being a site that collects wacko fundamentalist statements, it's probably not the best place to be pushing Project Veritas' masterpiece of bullshit, the "Planned Parenthood murders infants and sells body parts" liefest.  And Trump, the "great populist" who believes that people not working should just go ask Daddy for an allowance (or offer their services to their landlord in lieu of rent, something he himself would never allow in any of HIS buildings), is "saving money" by handing out huge tax cuts to the richest 1% of the US.  And now the US deficit is the highest it's ever been.  Though the Republicans hated that?  They sure spent lots of time screaming about it back when Obama was President.  Oh, and "the Democrats showed themselves to be hypocrites when they criticized him for it because they used to be against involvement in foreign wars" - They're still against involvement in foreign wars.  They're just smart enough to realize that walking out of a conflict YOU started halfway through doesn't help anybody.  It allows ISIS to recover.  It allows Assad to regain control with the assistance of the Russians, so he can get back to his campaign of murdering anyone in Syria who isn't 100% behind him.  It allows Turkey to murder the Kurdish rebels the US was trying to help, who BTW have been betrayed by the US multiple times in the past - always with a Republican President calling the shots.  It allows Russia and Iran to consolidate their power in the Middle East.  And it shows that when it comes to the US, they can't be trusted beyond the term of the current President, because no one can say if the next one will simply ignore or walk back previous agreements.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2756 on: January 10, 2019, 04:18:20 pm »
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2757 on: January 10, 2019, 04:24:22 pm »
There has never BEEN a House bill that funds one cent for the fucking wall.  Maybe you should ask your hero and the party he's supposed to be head of why they didn't bother with the absolutely necessary wall while they had complete control of the government?
The house did pass a spending bill with wall funding this December. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/20/house-passes-spending-bill-with-wall-funding/amp/

The Senate could have easily voted on it if it reached 60 votes, and the Democrats such as Chuck Schumer got in the way by preventing the 60 votes from passing. That led to the shutdown.
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Well using logic, if there is a tall steel barrier, it would be impossible to climb it, and even if illegal immigrants got an extremely tall ladder that goes over it, they wouldn’t be able to get down on the other side because it is too high up.
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This was in fact the deal offered in 2018, which was rejected.  Buy who?  Trump, of course.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2758 on: January 10, 2019, 04:37:12 pm »
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They're still against involvement in foreign wars.  They're just smart enough to realize that walking out of a conflict YOU started halfway through doesn't help anybody.  It allows ISIS to recover.  It allows Assad to regain control with the assistance of the Russians, so he can get back to his campaign of murdering anyone in Syria who isn't 100% behind him.  It allows Turkey to murder the Kurdish rebels the US was trying to help, who BTW have been betrayed by the US multiple times in the past - always with a Republican President calling the shots.  It allows Russia and Iran to consolidate their power in the Middle East.  And it shows that when it comes to the US, they can't be trusted beyond the term of the current President, because no one can say if the next one will simply ignore or walk back previous agreements.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #2759 on: January 10, 2019, 04:51:02 pm »
Well using logic, if there is a tall steel barrier, it would be impossible to climb it, and even if illegal immigrants got an extremely tall ladder that goes over it, they wouldn’t be able to get down on the other side because it is too high up.

Unless they progressed past the Stone Age and created the miraculous twin inventions of either a rope or a second ladder.

Or, ya know, they could go full Dwarf and diggy diggy hole.  Remind me, what's it mean to "undermine" something?  A wall is a Medieval solution to a modern problem.  One easily circumvented by even more ancient technology.
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