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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3750 on: January 10, 2021, 12:53:42 am »
( [...] the first President not to attend his successor's inauguration since Andrew Johnson did not attend that of Ulysses S. Grant.)

Technically, you could argue that the most recent inauguration without the previous president was that of Johnson.

Sure, but I think the writer of the article was going for "when power changed hands due to an election".
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3752 on: January 11, 2021, 03:09:11 am »
From what I've seen, the idea is to have the House impeach Trump, but then not hold a Senate trial for a few months.

EDIT: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/biden-inauguration-fbi-protests-guns-1.5868685

The FBI has reports that armed protests are planned for at least the half-week before Biden's inauguration, including the day itself, at every state capitol and the US Capitol.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-house-democrats-session-trump-1.5868379

Also, the House of Representatives has moved an article of impeachment against Trump for "incitement of insurrection".
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3753 on: January 12, 2021, 08:50:09 am »
The interesting thing to see is, will Trump hand out blanket pardons to everyone involved in the coup attempt, or will he abandon them since they failed and he doesn't really care about anyone apart from himself?

Because I could see it go either way. The first one will leave traitors unpunished and thus make this the precendent that this behaviour is acceptable and can happen again. The latter option will also cause a huge mess and the legal disaster of deciding whether to imprison the elected politicians who took part in what was a very disorganized coup attempt. Heck, it could be that the Democrats lack the will to throw the book at these terrorists as they try to "heal the wounds"even as the GOP clutches pearls and screams about how "impolite" the Democrats have been to them these last years.
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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3754 on: January 12, 2021, 09:29:04 am »
Question.  Can any of the insurrectionists pay Trump $20,000?

Ironbite-he'll let 'em hang.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3755 on: January 13, 2021, 07:27:48 pm »
So here's a thought:

The swing from Obama's victory over McCain in Massachusetts in 2008, to Scott Brown's victory over Martha Coakley in the 2010 special Senate election (to fill the vacancy left by the death of Edward Kennedy) was 30.57 percentage points.

A similar swing in California to fill the vacancy left by the resignation of Kamala Harris to assume the vice-presidency would see the Republican candidate (if one makes it to the general in California's top-two jungle primary system) win by around 1.4 percentage points.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3756 on: January 13, 2021, 08:09:05 pm »
Re the Pardons, Trump has been told he can't pardon himself and now he's not interested in pardoning anyone if he can't get one. Nor after what happened (despite Pence not agreeing to trigger the 25th Amendment) is he confident that Pence will come through with a pardon if he resigns and Pence takes over.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3757 on: January 13, 2021, 11:45:44 pm »
So here's a thought:

The swing from Obama's victory over McCain in Massachusetts in 2008, to Scott Brown's victory over Martha Coakley in the 2010 special Senate election (to fill the vacancy left by the death of Edward Kennedy) was 30.57 percentage points.

A similar swing in California to fill the vacancy left by the resignation of Kamala Harris to assume the vice-presidency would see the Republican candidate (if one makes it to the general in California's top-two jungle primary system) win by around 1.4 percentage points.

You're making the mistaking of thinking that the voting demographics in California follow those of Maine and Mass.

Ironbnite-they don't.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3758 on: January 14, 2021, 12:26:21 am »
So here's a thought:

The swing from Obama's victory over McCain in Massachusetts in 2008, to Scott Brown's victory over Martha Coakley in the 2010 special Senate election (to fill the vacancy left by the death of Edward Kennedy) was 30.57 percentage points.

A similar swing in California to fill the vacancy left by the resignation of Kamala Harris to assume the vice-presidency would see the Republican candidate (if one makes it to the general in California's top-two jungle primary system) win by around 1.4 percentage points.

You're making the mistaking of thinking that the voting demographics in California follow those of Maine and Mass.

Ironbnite-they don't.

I agree. They don't. (Though California elected a Republican as Governor as late as 2006.)

I'm not saying it's likely. I'm saying that it has happened, and it's not a seat the Democratic Party should take for granted.

EDIT: For a more recent example, the swing in Alabama from 2016 for Trump to 2017 for Jones would still be enough (by about 0.2 percentage points). Of course, Roy Moore was his own special kind of despicable, but there's another example.

EDIT #2: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/republicans-impeachment-two-1.5872561

One reason more Republicans in the House didn't vote to convictimpeach (EDIT #3: Thanks for the catch, ironbite) Trump? They were afraid for their physical safety.
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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3759 on: January 14, 2021, 10:01:16 am »
Vote to impeach.  Conviction happens in the Senate.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3760 on: January 14, 2021, 01:27:06 pm »
Vote to impeach.  Conviction happens in the Senate.

Yeah, I brain-farted on that one. Thanks for the catch.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3761 on: January 15, 2021, 01:51:07 am »

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3762 on: January 15, 2021, 02:27:07 am »
Yes but Bill Clinton was impeached for good and honest and pure reasons by Republicans who just wanted to save the country from the horror of a President getting a blowjob.

Donald Trump was impeached by evil Democrats for nakedly partisan reasons because they couldn't accept that The People preferred him to their beloved Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden (because, as we all know, Trump won the popular vote by millions of votes).
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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Mr. Trump Goes to Washington
« Reply #3764 on: January 15, 2021, 03:59:18 pm »