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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 11:49:27 am »
The article is misleading. If you go to read the article that the article at Kos links to you'll see this paragraph:
Yoest, Hawkins and Tobias all said that their organizations do not take a position on birth control, only on emergency birth control. Anti-abortion activists believe emergency birth control drugs like Plan B and Ella can cause abortions, something that is disputed by the drug-makers, the federal government, and abortion-rights activists.
Granted it's total bullshit, but they aren't saying all forms of birth control are abortions, just emergency contraception.

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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2012, 02:07:25 pm »
They've been saying that for years, kids. Granted, back then it was limited to the vernacular of the hard-right fundie loons no-one ever took seriously but then I have to remember that those fundie loons have just become mainstream.
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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2012, 02:53:01 pm »
The article is misleading. If you go to read the article that the article at Kos links to you'll see this paragraph:
Yoest, Hawkins and Tobias all said that their organizations do not take a position on birth control, only on emergency birth control. Anti-abortion activists believe emergency birth control drugs like Plan B and Ella can cause abortions, something that is disputed by the drug-makers, the federal government, and abortion-rights activists.
Granted it's total bullshit, but they aren't saying all forms of birth control are abortions, just emergency contraception.
I just recently had an argument with a right-wing Christian friend on Facebook who considers even regular birth control pills to be abortion. And she's not the only one. She linked to a "study" on an anti-abortion site that estimated that over 13 million abortions have been caused by the pill.

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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2012, 03:05:28 pm »
Yeah, I've heard that argument before, John. It's totally incorrect. Birth control pills prevent implantation of the egg. How people equate that to an abortion is beyond me.

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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 03:09:38 pm »
Because, don't ya know, sex is for procreation! If you're having sex and not making babies, you rape the baby Jesus and will burn in Hell for it.
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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 04:10:53 pm »
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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2012, 04:36:45 pm »
Yeah, I've heard that argument before, John. It's totally incorrect. Birth control pills prevent implantation of the egg. How people equate that to an abortion is beyond me.

Because the egg may have gotten fertilized?
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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2012, 04:59:47 pm »
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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2012, 05:03:39 pm »
Republicans are pro-big tobacco and don't care if a woman gets the necessary medicine and treatments to carry a pregnancy. So not even that.
I'd be more sympathetic if people here didn't act like they knew what they were saying when they were saying something very much wrong.

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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2012, 05:06:46 pm »
Yeah, I've heard that argument before, John. It's totally incorrect. Birth control pills prevent implantation of the egg. How people equate that to an abortion is beyond me.

Because the egg may have gotten fertilized?
That'd be a really poor reason.

Using that logic every time a woman has her period that'd be an abortion. After all that egg could have gotten fertilized.

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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2012, 05:37:39 pm »
On the day abortion is made illegal across the United States, the hard right will immediately retool themselves.  They will redirect the energies and resources spent fighting abortion into fighting birth control and contraception with just as much ferocity as they had previously fought abortion. 
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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2012, 05:46:47 pm »
]That'd be a really poor reason.

Using that logic every time a woman has her period that'd be an abortion. After all that egg could have gotten fertilized.

Not really. I'm assuming this is their thought process:

1. Human Life begins at conception.
2. Conception happens when an egg is fertilized by sperm.
3. Birth control prevents that fertilized egg from being implanted.
4. Ergo, birth control ends a human life.

I'm not saying I agree with that logic, that it's good logic, or that it even holds true for everyone on the pro-life side. It just bugs when that side is portrayed as uniformly illogical, misogynistic, and/or inconsistent. I've known some pro-lifers in my time who honestly and wholeheartedly believed those first two points and were against abortion but not any form of birth control. When life begins is a somewhat subjective point.

On the day abortion is made illegal across the United States, the hard right will immediately retool themselves.  They will redirect the energies and resources spent fighting abortion into fighting birth control and contraception with just as much ferocity as they had previously fought abortion.

Some of them will, and the Republican Party most likely would because it would woo the far right God-warriors that spur their race to the bottom, but not all conservatives or religious folks or even pro-lifers hit that anti-sex/anti-woman model.
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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2012, 06:51:37 pm »
]That'd be a really poor reason.

Using that logic every time a woman has her period that'd be an abortion. After all that egg could have gotten fertilized.

Not really. I'm assuming this is their thought process:

1. Human Life begins at conception.
2. Conception happens when an egg is fertilized by sperm.
3. Birth control prevents that fertilized egg from being implanted.
4. Ergo, birth control ends a human life.

I'm not saying I agree with that logic, that it's good logic, or that it even holds true for everyone on the pro-life side. It just bugs when that side is portrayed as uniformly illogical, misogynistic, and/or inconsistent. I've known some pro-lifers in my time who honestly and wholeheartedly believed those first two points and were against abortion but not any form of birth control. When life begins is a somewhat subjective point.
I never said that prolifers were illogical, misogynistic, and/or inconsistent. I said I couldn't understand how someone could come to the conclusion birth control is the same as abortion.

An egg doesn't get fertilized when someone is on the birth control pill. And something else seems off about that thought process, but I can't say what. It just seems wrong.

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Re: Republicans: Let's call birth control abortion!
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2012, 07:18:36 pm »
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