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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2019, 10:31:43 pm »
Ok, let's clear something up real quick. Gillette isn't trying to change the world. They're trying to sell grossly overpriced shaving products. Company, profits, fuck all else. Same page? Good. Now we can move on to what the hell were they trying to do with this marketing campaign.
That add wasn't for the dude beating his wife. It wasn't for the sleazy guy at the end of the bar hitting on every woman walking to the restroom. It was for "most men" who are doing the right thing. It was saying call out the people not going the right thing. Hell, maybe even stop them.

Tell me, do you also get mad at adds telling you to not drink and drive? Or to get help if you have an addiction? How about those weight loss guys? Are they telling you you're fat?

We seem to be having a failure to communicate. My problem isn't with the message itself. Essentially, it boils down to "do the right thing", "set a good example", "be the best that you can be", etc. These are not inherently bad messages. Unfortunately, even a good message can be delivered poorly. And this ad delivers its message very, very badly.

I don't get offended by "don't drink and drive" PSAs because they don't say most men have problems with drunk driving. I don't get offended by "get help for your addiction" PSAs because they don't say most men are drug addicts. This ad says that only "some" men are saying the right things and acting the right way. Which means that most are not.

That's one of the main reasons it's rankling me. It's not that I think criticizing bullying and sexual harassment is somehow an attack on my gender. It's that they're saying only a minority of men are acting like decent people, with zero evidence to back it up.
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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2019, 12:35:04 am »
You're forgetting the useless bystanders.  Guess into what category most people fall?
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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2019, 01:12:35 am »
You're forgetting the useless bystanders.  Guess into what category most people fall?

Except that, again, bullying and harassment generally happen away from prying eyes. How can somebody be a "useless bystander" if they don't even know what's going on? If my neighbors are giving classified information to the Russians without my knowledge, am I a "useless bystander" for not confronting them about it?
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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2019, 09:55:46 am »
Ok. Mea culpa. I get where you're coming from. And i disagree. Both that the message said most men are assholes and that the majority of dickish behavior is hidden away behind closed doors. True the behavior itself might be. But the telltale signs are usually out for all who care to see.
I think we may be experiencing one of the beauties in life called perspective. You and I just see it differently. And that's fine. I'm certainly willing to let it go at that.
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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2019, 03:45:12 pm »
Ok. Mea culpa. I get where you're coming from. And i disagree. Both that the message said most men are assholes and that the majority of dickish behavior is hidden away behind closed doors. True the behavior itself might be. But the telltale signs are usually out for all who care to see.
I think we may be experiencing one of the beauties in life called perspective. You and I just see it differently. And that's fine. I'm certainly willing to let it go at that.

Likewise. Glad we could come to an understanding.
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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2019, 03:54:47 pm »
I'm not sure if you are blind or not but a whole lot of bullying and harassment happens right out in the open. And people ignoring it or not having the courage to try to stop it is an issue.
No matter what happens, no matter what my last words may end up being, I want everyone to claim that they were:
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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2019, 04:13:42 pm »
I made the mistake of looking the ad up on YouTube and reading the comments....

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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2019, 06:58:10 pm »
Don't leave us in suspense, man!
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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2019, 08:22:56 pm »
Let me guess;

Most of the comments involved manosphere guys imitating chickens.

Cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuckodoodledoo!
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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2019, 10:24:27 pm »
I'm not sure if you are blind or not but a whole lot of bullying and harassment happens right out in the open. And people ignoring it or not having the courage to try to stop it is an issue.

OK, even if that's true, it still fails to address a few things. Probably the most important is whether that's due to problems with males or just a case of the bystander effect in action.

I made the mistake of looking the ad up on YouTube and reading the comments....

Yeah, it seems like 90% of YouTube comments are garbage.

Let me guess;

Most of the comments involved manosphere guys imitating chickens.

Cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuckodoodledoo!

To paraphrase Orwell, the word "cuck" now has no meaning except insofar as it signifies "something undesirable".
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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2019, 02:36:22 am »
Anyone using the word "cuck" as an insult is usually someone you can safely ignore on the net.
No matter what happens, no matter what my last words may end up being, I want everyone to claim that they were:
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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2019, 10:50:58 am »
They have a weird fascination with the concept of cuckoldry. If everything is a cuck, then you probably have watched way too much cuck porn.

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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2019, 11:18:08 am »
...Is there reverse cuckoldry porn?  I've never really looked, but the concept is an interesting one.
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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2019, 11:23:02 am »
...Is there reverse cuckoldry porn?  I've never really looked, but the concept is an interesting one.

Do you mean monogamy porn? Or where the woman is cuckold?
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Re: Gillete Ad Upsets Manosphere Crybabies
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2019, 11:25:24 am »
...Is there reverse cuckoldry porn?  I've never really looked, but the concept is an interesting one.

Do you mean monogamy porn? Or where the woman is cuckold?

Either way, the answer is yes.