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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2019, 06:29:45 pm »
No because we've all seen your cards.  You hold them facing out.

Ironbite-you're a centrist on a lefty message board bub and have 0 creditability in that regard.

...I suppose that's a legitimate way to view my position, depending on how you define "centrist". But here's the problem: that doesn't justify the way you've been treating me. Even if I am a centrist, what's wrong with that?

And what do you mean "zero credibility"?
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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2019, 07:21:21 pm »
OK, I've read up a little on things, so I think I got more knowledge of what you're talking about.

2. How similar am I to them, really? AFAIK, none of you are professional analysts.

I am a professional analyst capable of rendering a positive identification with a reasonable degree of certainty.

Really? I've looked into your posting history, and you've stated multiple times that you're a lawyer. That's certainly not a job for an idiot, but it requires an entirely different skillset from an analyst.

'Sides, you're too biased in this case to make any kind of objective analysis.

A bit of  a give away that we've had this same conversation literally 3 or 4 times with the various incarnations. Also even the immensely loose unit that is Jacob picked CU as the anal paragon. I mean you really aren't trying as hard as you use to.

1. Considering one of those "incarnations" was never proven to be the same person as the other two, I'd say that says more about you guys than it does about anyone else.

2. Are you really using a guy who thought your "Nigerian prince" joke was a legit offer to back up your argument? That's the funniest thing I read all day! Do you also think Vatican II and the sexual revolution caused the Catholic Church's abuse crisis? What's your opinion on Braveheart? Should it be banned in England? Is Javier Solana the Antichrist?

While we're talking, you haven't addressed my bad faith accusation concerns. Until you do, I can only assume you're just saying I'm a sock to try and discredit my arguments. It doesn't help that you don't have any evidence besides personal opinion.

Now can we talk constructively? Please? Would it help if I put my cards on the table when it comes to my political positions?

I haven't been having any arguments with you cracker. So that kind of does away with my motivation. My point is that it was so thinly veiled a disguise even a guy who creams himself at the thought of tight jeans spotted you.

Edit: Also which was the incarnation which wasn't proven to be the others?
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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2019, 06:03:15 am »
I’m just taking the piss cause I don’t care. But Chaos’ crying about “bias” sounds a lot like Ben Shapiro’s (in that, you cry bias against any point you don’t like so as to hopefully disqualify those positions)
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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2019, 11:55:01 pm »
Ah, Ben Shapiro, aka;

"You can't treat me like this! I'm more popular than you!"

Then his website puts out a headline;

"Sexy Tight Bodied Philosopher (who is certainly not gay shut up r/ToiletPaperUSA) shuts down mean dumb doodoohead old guy."
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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2019, 12:38:47 pm »
OK, I've read up a little on things, so I think I got more knowledge of what you're talking about.

2. How similar am I to them, really? AFAIK, none of you are professional analysts.

I am a professional analyst capable of rendering a positive identification with a reasonable degree of certainty.

Really? I've looked into your posting history, and you've stated multiple times that you're a lawyer. That's certainly not a job for an idiot, but it requires an entirely different skillset from an analyst.

'Sides, you're too biased in this case to make any kind of objective analysis.

A bit of  a give away that we've had this same conversation literally 3 or 4 times with the various incarnations. Also even the immensely loose unit that is Jacob picked CU as the anal paragon. I mean you really aren't trying as hard as you use to.

1. Considering one of those "incarnations" was never proven to be the same person as the other two, I'd say that says more about you guys than it does about anyone else.

2. Are you really using a guy who thought your "Nigerian prince" joke was a legit offer to back up your argument? That's the funniest thing I read all day! Do you also think Vatican II and the sexual revolution caused the Catholic Church's abuse crisis? What's your opinion on Braveheart? Should it be banned in England? Is Javier Solana the Antichrist?

While we're talking, you haven't addressed my bad faith accusation concerns. Until you do, I can only assume you're just saying I'm a sock to try and discredit my arguments. It doesn't help that you don't have any evidence besides personal opinion.

Now can we talk constructively? Please? Would it help if I put my cards on the table when it comes to my political positions?

I haven't been having any arguments with you cracker. So that kind of does away with my motivation. My point is that it was so thinly veiled a disguise even a guy who creams himself at the thought of tight jeans spotted you.

Edit: Also which was the incarnation which wasn't proven to be the others?

That was Lana Reverse.

Now, let's look at your other "points".

1. Don't bullshit me. You've repeatedly butted into disputes just to accuse me of being a sock without any evidence. Are you sure you're not projecting your own dishonesty onto me?

2. Or maybe it's because you and him are both projecting, since he's made a whole bunch of socks and you just told a blatant lie. Ever consider that possibility? That both of you are just assuming I'm as dishonest as you are? You remind me of open homophobes who get caught soliciting other men for sex. Wonder what Queen, ironbite and niam are lying about.

I’m just taking the piss cause I don’t care. But Chaos’ crying about “bias” sounds a lot like Ben Shapiro’s (in that, you cry bias against any point you don’t like so as to hopefully disqualify those positions)

That's not what I mean and you know it.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2019, 12:40:24 pm by Chaos Undivided »
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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2019, 04:43:49 pm »
Hey serious and direct question then.  No bullshit whatsoever.

Ironbite-who the fuck are you anyways?

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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2019, 06:13:53 pm »
OK, I've read up a little on things, so I think I got more knowledge of what you're talking about.

2. How similar am I to them, really? AFAIK, none of you are professional analysts.

I am a professional analyst capable of rendering a positive identification with a reasonable degree of certainty.

Really? I've looked into your posting history, and you've stated multiple times that you're a lawyer. That's certainly not a job for an idiot, but it requires an entirely different skillset from an analyst.

'Sides, you're too biased in this case to make any kind of objective analysis.

A bit of  a give away that we've had this same conversation literally 3 or 4 times with the various incarnations. Also even the immensely loose unit that is Jacob picked CU as the anal paragon. I mean you really aren't trying as hard as you use to.

1. Considering one of those "incarnations" was never proven to be the same person as the other two, I'd say that says more about you guys than it does about anyone else.

2. Are you really using a guy who thought your "Nigerian prince" joke was a legit offer to back up your argument? That's the funniest thing I read all day! Do you also think Vatican II and the sexual revolution caused the Catholic Church's abuse crisis? What's your opinion on Braveheart? Should it be banned in England? Is Javier Solana the Antichrist?

While we're talking, you haven't addressed my bad faith accusation concerns. Until you do, I can only assume you're just saying I'm a sock to try and discredit my arguments. It doesn't help that you don't have any evidence besides personal opinion.

Now can we talk constructively? Please? Would it help if I put my cards on the table when it comes to my political positions?

I haven't been having any arguments with you cracker. So that kind of does away with my motivation. My point is that it was so thinly veiled a disguise even a guy who creams himself at the thought of tight jeans spotted you.

Edit: Also which was the incarnation which wasn't proven to be the others?

That was Lana Reverse.

Now, let's look at your other "points".

1. Don't bullshit me. You've repeatedly butted into disputes just to accuse me of being a sock without any evidence. Are you sure you're not projecting your own dishonesty onto me?

2. Or maybe it's because you and him are both projecting, since he's made a whole bunch of socks and you just told a blatant lie. Ever consider that possibility? That both of you are just assuming I'm as dishonest as you are? You remind me of open homophobes who get caught soliciting other men for sex. Wonder what Queen, ironbite and niam are lying about.

I’m just taking the piss cause I don’t care. But Chaos’ crying about “bias” sounds a lot like Ben Shapiro’s (in that, you cry bias against any point you don’t like so as to hopefully disqualify those positions)

That's not what I mean and you know it.

No cracker, your point was that I disagreed with your substantive points and that accusing you of being a sockpuppet is a cheap and dirty way of winning the argument without coming to grips with your substantive contention as in:"I can only assume you're just saying I'm a sock to try and discredit my arguments"

The examples you raise are me suggesting that you are a reincarnation, or a sockpuppet. Even your characterisation is that I 'repeatedly butted into disputes just to accuse me of being a sock' - which is not having an argument about the point.

So no lie. Not even dishonest. I am not about to play your stupid, liar liar pants on fire game, but I would suggest that wasn't a very honest position you just took. I have suggested that you are a sockpuppet. Because you are.

Most of the time I don't give a fuck about what you say, and occasionally I agree with you, not often. But that's mainly because you suck. Whereas I am fucking awesome.

Edited: Because English. Do I even speak it.

Second Edit: Also why don't you think Lana Reverse (which is kind of the most obvious one) was proven to be the same person.
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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2019, 05:10:22 pm »
No cracker, you're point was that I disagreed with your substantive points and that accusing you of a sockpuppet is a cheap and dirty way of winning the argument without coming to grips with your substantive contention as in:"I can only assume you're just saying I'm a sock to try and discredit my arguments"

The examples you raise are me suggesting that you are a reincarnation, or a sockpuppet. Even your characterisation is that I 'repeatedly butted into disputes just to accuse me of being a sock' - which is not having an argument about the point.

So no lie. Not even dishonest. I am not about to play your stupid, liar liar pants on fire game, but I would suggest that wasn't a very honest position you just took. I have suggested that you are a sockpuppet. Because you are.

Most of the time I don't give a fuck about what you say, and occasionally I agree with you, not often. But that's mainly because you suck. Whereas I am fucking awesome.

Edited: Because English. Do I even speak it.

Second Edit: Also why don't you think Lana Reverse (which is kind of the most obvious one) was proven to be the same person.

Oh, now you're just saying you didn't dispute my substantive points. Not only does that contradict what you said earlier:

I haven't been having any arguments with you cracker. So that kind of does away with my motivation. My point is that it was so thinly veiled a disguise even a guy who creams himself at the thought of tight jeans spotted you.

Edit: Also which was the incarnation which wasn't proven to be the others?

It's also blatantly untrue:

Quakers are a good example. While you may have some violent quakers, violence is not part of their ideology.  The same is true with feminists. There is nothing inherently violent about their ideology. The same cannot be said about Nazis or fascists, whose ideology is inherently violent.

Also my impression was that innuendo studios was talking about the prevalence of violence as a response on the basis that Nazis are much more likely to respond violently than feminists. The fact you are going back 50 years to the attempted murder of Andy Warhol, whereas 50 people were shot (and killed) a few weeks ago by a fascist, indicate the relative threat levels.

Later that same thread:

Really? Where have I done that? Show me.

Can he show you using your previous user names?

Stop lying to me. I'm not as dumb as you want me to be.

And if it were certain they were the same person, pretty sure Sigma would've said so. AFAIK, she hasn't.

Hey serious and direct question then.  No bullshit whatsoever.

Ironbite-who the fuck are you anyways?

A center-left transport inspector who lives in a major American city. You want more, you can glean it from other posts I've made, because that's all I'm giving you.

Follow-up question: why do you even care, anyway? Isn't what I do more important than who I am behind the screen?
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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2019, 11:48:16 pm »
Cause you're not center-left bub.  And you act like you're some kind of authority figure around here despite no mod or admin beneath your name.

Ironbite-as for why I care...I don't.  I just want to keep taking the piss out of your right-wing ass.

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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2019, 12:19:10 am »
Cause you're not center-left bub.  And you act like you're some kind of authority figure around here despite no mod or admin beneath your name.

Ironbite-as for why I care...I don't.  I just want to keep taking the piss out of your right-wing ass.

Yeah, the pro-choice, anti-tort reform, net neutrality-supporting environmentalist who openly disdains Trump is a right-winger. You remind me of that idiot at the New York Post who thought Bernie Sanders - a Jewish socialist - was an "alt-right knucklehead".
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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2019, 12:47:53 am »
Look Chaos, even if you aren't Dynamic Dragon, you still are the guy who posted a link to the Kiwifarms wiki calling Brianna Wu a liar because of an absurd bigoted conspiracy theory about her secretly being trans and denied that smearing  someone with accusations of being transgendered was transphobic.  Smears from Kiwifarms, one of the most notorious transphobic hate sites around.  That isn't a good first impression and you haven't done much to shake it off.

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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2019, 12:59:48 am »
Look Chaos, even if you aren't Dynamic Dragon, you still are the guy who posted a link to the Kiwifarms wiki calling Brianna Wu a liar because of an absurd bigoted conspiracy theory about her secretly being trans and denied that smearing  someone with accusations of being transgendered was transphobic.  Smears from Kiwifarms, one of the most notorious transphobic hate sites around.  That isn't a good first impression and you haven't done much to shake it off.

Wow, he did that?

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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2019, 01:13:19 am »
Ask and you shall receive, Queen.

https://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8169.msg323860#msg323860

He went on and on defending his use of this - so even if you're not Dynamic Dragon The Reevenge, you're still not a good person.
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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2019, 01:29:16 am »
Oh yeah... That one...

I feel like all the biggest drama here happens when I'm asleep and then I wake up and see the smoldering ruins in the morning.
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Re: Can we just talk?
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2019, 01:50:19 am »
Oh wow... after reading that thread:

1) Chaos is Paragon. You can’t convince me otherwise. I was being facetious and flippant before, but now I know.

2) Chaos, and by proxy the other sock puppets, truly is a transphobic shit.

3) At least the humor of watching The Ultimate & Dynamic Reverse Anal Chaos is here to stay: my laughs will continue.
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