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Pope Francis accused of heresy
« on: May 07, 2019, 06:19:59 pm »
https://thehill.com/policy/international/441558-catholic-conservatives-say-pope-francis-is-a-heretic-causing-one-of-the

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEGo41443iI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEGo41443iI</a>

Now that that's out of the way, what do you guys make of this?
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Re: Pope Francis accused of heresy
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2019, 06:47:12 pm »
https://thehill.com/policy/international/441558-catholic-conservatives-say-pope-francis-is-a-heretic-causing-one-of-the

Obligatory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEGo41443iI

Now that that's out of the way, what do you guys make of this?

FTFY

As for "heresy", I mean, when you're dealing with a divine command moral code (as all religious morality is), then yeah, speaking against the "proper" version would be heresy. But he's really done nothing to change anything substantial about Church doctrine, as far as actions go, and if anyone should be pissed at Bergoglio for anything (beyond any typical complaints about religion/Christianity/Catholicism), it's for being worse than Ratzinger on the child sexual abuse scandal, and remember that Ratzinger was directly implicated in that scandal as an archbishop in Bavaria, and later when head of the InquisitionCongregation for the Doctrine of the Faith wrote a letter directing that the abuse be covered up and hidden from secular authorities.
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Re: Pope Francis accused of heresy
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2019, 07:03:34 pm »
That's odd, why didn't my video post?
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Re: Pope Francis accused of heresy
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2019, 07:57:59 pm »
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The group goes on to cite a statement this year between Francis and Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, the Grand Imam of Egypt’s Al-Azhar Mosque, saying religious pluralism is “willed by God.”

Well, that's the thing with omnipotence, innit. Everything that happens is willed by God, so either religious pluralism isn't happening, or...
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Re: Pope Francis accused of heresy
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2019, 07:31:47 am »
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“We take this measure as a last resort to respond to the accumulating harm caused by Pope Francis’s words and actions over several years, which have given rise to one of the worst crises in the history of the Catholic Church,”

Yeeeah, that's the crisis which has been getting you guys all the bad press. Uh huh.

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Re: Pope Francis accused of heresy
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2019, 04:55:51 pm »
Um, yeah.  Pope Francis' "liberal views" are what is causing your bad press, guys.  It can't have anything to do with your systematic acceptance and covering up of YEARS of child molestation, can it?

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Re: Pope Francis accused of heresy
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2019, 09:49:43 pm »
Um, yeah.  Pope Francis' "liberal views" are what is causing your bad press, guys.  It can't have anything to do with your systematic acceptance and covering up of YEARS of child molestation, can it?

Well, in fairness, this happens in most other organisations, too (see the Australian Royal Commission). It's just that religions make a (baseless) claim to be the bastions of morality.

But if you read the Pennsylvania Grand Jury report, they note that they saw plenty of files on other stuff, like financial malfeasance and sexual encounters between priests and adults. I'd love to see investigations into those, because you could put people away on the former and I bet some of the latter were not consensual.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

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Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Pope Francis accused of heresy
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2019, 09:53:54 pm »
Didn't Jesus say something about pulling the log out of your eye before you talk about the speck in someone else's?
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Re: Pope Francis accused of heresy
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2019, 09:56:28 pm »
Didn't Jesus say something about pulling the log out of your eye before you talk about the speck in someone else's?

Yes, but this is the Catholic Church we're talking about, Bastion of All Morality, Supreme Intervener Between God and Man.
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It doesn't concern you, Sister, that kind of absolutist view of the universe? Right and wrong determined solely by a single all-knowing, all powerful being whose judgment cannot be questioned and in whose name the most horrendous acts can be sanctioned without appeal?

Quote from: Supreme Court of Canada
Being required by someone else’s religious beliefs to behave contrary to one’s sexual identity is degrading and disrespectful.

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Re: Pope Francis accused of heresy
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2019, 05:38:47 am »
conservatives who don't care about poor people, non-christians and the environment were always the real heretics.