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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2019, 09:03:32 am »
Some of the less horrible and more amusing side effects of these laws is that if they sincerely believe that a fetus is a person, does that fetus have all the other rights and options that other persons have?

Can a fetus get a life insurance? Does a fetus have a citizenship in USA? That last one leads into two interesting possibilities...

a) If a fetus gets a citizenship does this mean that all the unborn children in the concentration camps are already legally US citizens who just happen to be inside immigrants?

b) If citizenship only comes after birth, this means that these fetuses are people of no nation. And that's very much against UN regulations. Every living person must have a nationality because children that don't have any official nationality are in very high risk of becoming victims of trafficking and slavery. This is especially true of children of poor families and refugees. ...Which again leads us back to the concentration camps and the people within. We already know that thousands of children have disappeared without a trace from the concentration camps and they need protection so this is yet another violation of UN agreements and human rights that USA may be committing.
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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2019, 09:47:35 am »
The answer to those two questions is....no.  No they don't apply, what are you crazy?

Ironbite-I mean that'd mean things and Republicans don't do things.

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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2019, 12:04:35 pm »
I’ve been saying it since Trump won: “Abortion rights were nice while they lasted.”
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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2019, 01:09:49 pm »
Radiation, as I recall you voted for Trump. And that is after he said in relation to abortion 'there has to be some kind of punishment for the women'.

Aren't you in Michigan or something too? I mean your vote could have been the one that swung this election, that's how tight it was. Well you can welcome the annihilation of US women's reproductive rights proud in the knowledge that you helped usher in this new era.

Yes I did and that was when I was listening to the alt right and was part of it. Now I see that they are acting just as bad, if not worse than the so-called SJWs that they mock and ridicule. Trump's election has made conservatives and the alt-right much more arrogant, hateful, and cocky and now I see that I was wrong in a lot of ways and now I'm coming back to my liberal roots and will more than likely vote for the Democratic candidate or I might not vote at all, but I no longer want Trump as president as the conservatives are trying to roll back or hijack women's and other marginalized groups' rights.
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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2019, 01:24:46 pm »
Radiation, as I recall you voted for Trump. And that is after he said in relation to abortion 'there has to be some kind of punishment for the women'.

Aren't you in Michigan or something too? I mean your vote could have been the one that swung this election, that's how tight it was. Well you can welcome the annihilation of US women's reproductive rights proud in the knowledge that you helped usher in this new era.

Yes I did and that was when I was listening to the alt right and was part of it. Now I see that they are acting just as bad, if not worse than the so-called SJWs that they mock and ridicule. Trump's election has made conservatives and the alt-right much more arrogant, hateful, and cocky and now I see that I was wrong in a lot of ways and now I'm coming back to my liberal roots and will more than likely vote for the Democratic candidate or I might not vote at all, but I no longer want Trump as president as the conservatives are trying to roll back or hijack women's and other marginalized groups' rights.

This isn’t some sort of popularity contest or cool kids shit. This is policy that is ideal for the nation and improves the lives of its citizens and our standing in the world. It shouldn’t be subject to such extreme and swift whims.

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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2019, 01:44:06 pm »
Radiation, as I recall you voted for Trump. And that is after he said in relation to abortion 'there has to be some kind of punishment for the women'.

Aren't you in Michigan or something too? I mean your vote could have been the one that swung this election, that's how tight it was. Well you can welcome the annihilation of US women's reproductive rights proud in the knowledge that you helped usher in this new era.

Yes I did and that was when I was listening to the alt right and was part of it. Now I see that they are acting just as bad, if not worse than the so-called SJWs that they mock and ridicule. Trump's election has made conservatives and the alt-right much more arrogant, hateful, and cocky and now I see that I was wrong in a lot of ways and now I'm coming back to my liberal roots and will more than likely vote for the Democratic candidate or I might not vote at all, but I no longer want Trump as president as the conservatives are trying to roll back or hijack women's and other marginalized groups' rights.

This isn’t some sort of popularity contest or cool kids shit. This is policy that is ideal for the nation and improves the lives of its citizens and our standing in the world. It shouldn’t be subject to such extreme and swift whims.

Restated: you shouldn’t vote for Trump just because I piss you off.

Yeah I realize that and you didn't piss me off in anyway so I don't know why you said that. Like I said I did get wrapped in something that I shouldn't have and I realize that it's my mistake and that I should be more careful about listening and blindly believing something in actuality was never part of me.
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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2019, 03:11:52 pm »
Honestly, it sounds to me like you weren't a particularly committed Trump supporter in the first place. That's not an insult; if anything, I'm happy you were never a fervent supporter of Cheeto Benito.
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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2019, 07:52:34 pm »
What was your actual thought process before voting? I'm in the alt-right and I don't like SJWs so even though reproductive rights are important to me, I'm going to vote against the person who campaigned her whole life about it and vote for the guy who expressly stated he wanted to ban abortions, criminalise Doctors and miscarrying mothers?

What the?

What was the issue that attracted you to voting for trump? Was it because he hates immigrants (well brown ones not eastern european ones, those he marries)

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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2019, 08:43:26 pm »
All right, that's not really what this topic is about. Now, the real question is, does this stand a good chance of cracking Roe v Wade? And my stance is, I honestly think the Republicans have overplayed their hand here and that it's going to backfire right into their face. The reason why is not Kavanaugh, though - let's be honest, he's a Trump appointee and he's gonna do whatever Trump asks him to, because that's why Trump hired him. However, Chief Justice John Roberts has a much more even keel. He is a conservative for sure, and a committed one, but he's also a man who cares about his legacy, and quite a bit. He knows that any decisions the court hands down will have his name on them, because it's the Roberts Court, and he does not want to go down in history as the man who criminalized miscarriage, or who made it so an 11 year old child who was raped would have to carry their baby to term. If Roe v Wade stands, I think it's going to be because of Roberts, not Kavanaugh, and I also think it's going to be because the laws that are getting passed by eager Republicans in the states are just way too harsh and draconian for normal people to stomach.
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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2019, 08:57:44 pm »
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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2019, 09:14:32 pm »
I do think it will only take 10 years of regressive abortion laws  for the legislation to be undone. Or just tacitly ignored.

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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2019, 11:21:56 pm »

Yeah I realize that and you didn't piss me off in anyway so I don't know why you said that. Like I said I did get wrapped in something that I shouldn't have and I realize that it's my mistake and that I should be more careful about listening and blindly believing something in actuality was never part of me.

1. You said I piss you off a number of times
2. It was more for sake of example
3. You were the one saying that the SJWs made you swing alt-right because of their whining. Then you said you swung back for the same reason.

Their whining, or sticking it to them politically, is not a good reason to vote for someone because it has no bearing on the actual policy they implement. Policies like family separation, trade wars, abortion bans, the $27 billion in expanded farm subsidies (to make up for lost farm profits from said trade war), the tax reallocation bill, the assault on Medicaid and the ACA, or so many more.

I sincerely believe you supported Trump to be “cool.” Though, it is your right as we are a free nation and a democracy.

As for abortion, I am not yet sure whether SCOTUS will go outright ban or accept the incremental burden the practice out of existence. Guess I’ll wait and see.
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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2019, 12:49:36 am »
Just your friendly reminder that Roe v. Wade was the flashpoint, Doe v. Bolton was the consequential decision (as it overturned a more permissive statute), and both were set aside by the actual current precedent, Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

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Re: Alabama Governor Signs Abortion Ban Into Law
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2019, 07:57:33 am »
I’ve been saying it since Trump won: “Abortion rights were nice while they lasted.”
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