Author Topic: Rule talk  (Read 4030 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline The_Queen

  • Royalty & Royalty-free
  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 1837
  • Gender: Female
  • And here we go...
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2019, 07:57:20 pm »
I was hoping to get some odds.

1:1
Does anyone take Donald Trump seriously, anymore?

Offline niam2023

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 3997
  • Gender: Male
  • The Forum Chad
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2019, 07:58:07 pm »
Yeah - he's just gonna wait till he thinks everyone forgot all about this, then come back like he never threatened to leave because WAAH WAAH WAAH YOU'RE AWW MEAN TO MEEEEEE WAAH!!
Living Life, Lifting, Waiting for Summer

Offline Chaos Undivided

  • Pope
  • ****
  • Posts: 465
  • Death to the False Emperor!
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2019, 01:58:53 pm »
My bet is that this is one of those, wait a period of time until everyone has moved on and then continue posting like nothing has happened kind of deals.

Nope. I was just doing some digging. You'll see what I mean.

No, I don't think you are made of stone. I think you clearly get something out of being here, because here you are. Maybe you'd get more out of it if you weren't clearly disliked by many other users, I don't know. But there's no rules I could enforce that would make people like you.

I am not asking you to play thought police. People can hold whatever opinions of me they like. What I'm asking you to do is enforce your own rules to stop people from acting like braying jackasses. Is that really so unreasonable?

Maybe this place is awful. Maybe that's my fault. But you keep threatening to leave over it and then not leaving, so... what inference am I supposed to draw from that?

That I'm trying to make you see your method of running this place is at odds with your stated goal for it. I know for a fact that I'm not the only one who thinks this place is in desperate need of a crackdown on bad behavior.

I'm sure you know that these forums spent some time as a separate entity called Frequently Questioned Answers. In 2015, there was an attempt to reunite the two sites. But it failed, and a big part of that failure was the fact that a lot of FSTDT users hated the forums.

Links for evidence:

https://www.fstdt.com/.RJ5

https://www.fstdt.com/F_J5

And some choice quotes:

Quote
This is the part where Ravynous puts forth fake forgiveness because the last 6 forumites want to reunite the main site with the forums in a last ditch attempt to put life back into a putrefied corpse, without realizing that they're the reason why it's rotting in the first place.

It'll either break the echo chamber or be the last gasp, I suppose.

Quote
Please do not reunite the site with that seething nest of vipers that became the forums. Once upon a time it was a good thing. Now? The forums are why FSTDT went on the decline.

Quote
FQA has become a place that actively shunts discussion and, due to the existence of people like Ironbite, actively come across as toxic. It's why several members of the older guard are leaving and have left.

Or is it not telling that even after all of this time, they still find a need to have a forum chewtoy or rag on Distind the moment that he becomes even slightly relevant? The only reason any niceties are being presented towards him now is due to the fact that the slimmest chance exists for FQA and FSTDT to be reunited. Even only a few days before, they had been posting in a thread about how horrible he was when he left and linking to quotes about it.

It all frankly reeks of insincerity and I'm honestly sure that I'm not the only one who believes that I would rather see FQA fade into internet obscurity than see its current existence and practices justified by reuniting the two pages.

Quote
Either way, I'd really prefer we allow that toxic hive to live or die on its own.

Quote
Let them die, or live, on their own. If FSTDT is to have a forum let it be a brand new one. FQA is beyond this place.

(Note: I cut some things I considered irrelevant from some of those quotes. The full ones are available through the links I provided.)

There are plenty more if you want to look. Even Art Vandelay got in on the act:

Quote from: Art Vandelay
I know I'm one of those FQA people, but for what it's worth, I agree with a hell of a lot of what both anons + Wrightway are saying. Sure, a little drama is to be expected in any group of people, but the sheer amount, scope and persistence of it, especially within a community that's founded on the principle of laughing at other people's stupidity, is utterly mind-blowing. It would make even the most vapid high school clique cringe. It's fucking ridiculous.

Honestly, the vast majority of the forum are grown-ass adults and yet all of the bullshit you guys mentioned occurs and continues for years after any normal person would've moved the fuck on with their lives. Hell, we couldn't even have a simple "like/dislike" system without a bunch of passive-agreesive, cowardly, puerile man-children using it to perpetuate some grudge over some meaningless bullshit. Jesus, whatever happened to just being up front about those sorts of issues? Hell, it's what the Flame and Burn subforum is for, but I guess some of us are too much of a cowardly manchild to either just say it or let it go.

In light of that, I really shouldn't be surprised that someone is still harassing Wrightway, years after she left. Oh, and anonymously, of course. No way would they dare to use even their forum username. Still disgusted, don't get me wrong, but not particularly surprised at this point. Utterly pathetic.

Don't get me wrong, I otherwise do enjoy the community. There are still good people around who make for fun and interesting discussion and who, if they have a problem with someone, will just say to their faces and (here's my favourite part) let it go when it's all said and done. I've just for the life of me never understood how such a mind-blowingly dedicated yet cowardly element of drama whoring managed to take root and somehow co-exist with the rest of the activity on the forum. A forum of grown-ass men and women who pride themselves on their intelligence, no less. If nothing else, I think we can all agree that it's a huge shame that it's torn the community apart like this.

Wouldn't be surprised if these complaints he made were a contributing factor in his decision to leave.

Now, of course, the forums were eventually rejoined to the main site. But has that stopped them from dying? Just look at this place. It's on life support. Old users have left in droves, and you're not getting nearly enough new users to make up for it.

My point is simple: if you're really interested in "fostering the existence of a community", I really think you should make an effort to change things for the better. That means enforcing the "don't be a dick" rule so people know there will be consequences for not playing nice.

Of course, I can't read your mind, so maybe you have your reasons for this. If you're willing to explain, then I'm willing to listen.
Anti-authoritarian, anti-extremist, anti-bullshit.

Offline ironbite

  • Overlord of all that is good in Iacon City
  • Kakarot
  • ******
  • Posts: 10524
  • Gender: Male
  • Stuck in the middle with you.
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2019, 04:39:55 pm »
YOU ARE NOT THE GLUE THAT HOLDS THIS PLACE TOGETHER!  IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, LEAVE!

Ironbite-jesus.

Offline davedan

  • Lord Cracker
  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 3316
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2019, 04:43:08 pm »
Yes I am sure that something that happened 3 years ago caused Art to quit now. You seem strangely focused on Costanza....it's weird.

Offline fluffyDbringer

  • Neonate
  • *
  • Posts: 49
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2019, 04:47:15 pm »
digging up shite from four years ago is an excellent way to prove that 1) you're not an older user and 2) that the present-day forum is hampered by people being dicks to you, specifically. because this place is just, like, dick city to everyone, everyone's getting invalidated left right and center and called out for ban dodging and previous bad takes, can't just be you. better never call you out on basically admitted bandodging and intellectual dishonesty/CP defence, that'll revitalize the forum

also art shat on you constantly too, UP, what the hell are you even on about with propping him up as your defence attorney
"However, intelligent people can see the same issues, evidence, and inferences, and reach different conclusions. That is the human experience."
- The Queen

Offline Skybison

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 1159
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2019, 04:58:45 pm »
I can't speak for anything that happened before I was a regular here, but in the time since then to only "drama" we've had is Ultimate paragon. Lana Reverse, Jacob Harrison and you saying stupid things and everyone else pointing out they are stupid. 

Offline niam2023

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 3997
  • Gender: Male
  • The Forum Chad
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2019, 05:55:15 pm »
I will be a dick to conservatives and right wing individuals, and shall forever continue to be so.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2019, 05:57:36 pm by niam2023 »
Living Life, Lifting, Waiting for Summer

Offline davedan

  • Lord Cracker
  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 3316
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2019, 06:48:59 pm »
digging up shite from four years ago is an excellent way to prove that 1) you're not an older user and 2) that the present-day forum is hampered by people being dicks to you, specifically. because this place is just, like, dick city to everyone, everyone's getting invalidated left right and center and called out for ban dodging and previous bad takes, can't just be you. better never call you out on basically admitted bandodging and intellectual dishonesty/CP defence, that'll revitalize the forum

also art shat on you constantly too, UP, what the hell are you even on about with propping him up as your defence attorney

C'mon this is totally something someone who wasn't a member of the forums until 2 or 3 years after would bring up. So are comments like, 'I have my reasons that's all you need to know'. No nothing suss about that at all...

Offline The_Queen

  • Royalty & Royalty-free
  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 1837
  • Gender: Female
  • And here we go...
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2019, 06:50:28 pm »
digging up shite from four years ago is an excellent way to prove that 1) you're not an older user and 2) that the present-day forum is hampered by people being dicks to you, specifically. because this place is just, like, dick city to everyone, everyone's getting invalidated left right and center and called out for ban dodging and previous bad takes, can't just be you. better never call you out on basically admitted bandodging and intellectual dishonesty/CP defence, that'll revitalize the forum

also art shat on you constantly too, UP, what the hell are you even on about with propping him up as your defence attorney

C'mon this is totally something someone who wasn't a member of the forums until 2 or 3 years after would bring up. So are comments like, 'I have my reasons that's all you need to know'. No nothing suss about that at all...

You mean to tell me that Chaos is still here after all these years
Does anyone take Donald Trump seriously, anymore?

Offline Sigmaleph

  • Ungodlike
  • Administrator
  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 3576
    • sigmaleph on tumblr
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2019, 06:52:49 pm »
My point is simple: if you're really interested in "fostering the existence of a community", I really think you should make an effort to change things for the better. That means enforcing the "don't be a dick" rule so people know there will be consequences for not playing nice.

Of course, I can't read your mind, so maybe you have your reasons for this. If you're willing to explain, then I'm willing to listen.

Your opinion has been noted. I stand by my earlier statement that I don't think anything productive will come from that conversation.
Σא

Offline Chaos Undivided

  • Pope
  • ****
  • Posts: 465
  • Death to the False Emperor!
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2019, 07:48:18 pm »
digging up shite from four years ago is an excellent way to prove that 1) you're not an older user and 2) that the present-day forum is hampered by people being dicks to you, specifically. because this place is just, like, dick city to everyone, everyone's getting invalidated left right and center and called out for ban dodging and previous bad takes, can't just be you. better never call you out on basically admitted bandodging and intellectual dishonesty/CP defence, that'll revitalize the forum

also art shat on you constantly too, UP, what the hell are you even on about with propping him up as your defence attorney

Oh look, more unsubstantiated, unfalsifiable claims that I'm actually a ban-dodging former user. Direct question to the mods: why is this shit allowed? Like, if these people had any actual evidence, they'd have presented it by now.

I can't speak for anything that happened before I was a regular here, but in the time since then to only "drama" we've had is Ultimate paragon. Lana Reverse, Jacob Harrison and you saying stupid things and everyone else pointing out they are stupid.

There you go, implying I'm the only one at fault and I deserve the treatment I've gotten. You know, I think everyone should regularly ask themselves "what if I'm wrong?" How often do you do that?

My point is simple: if you're really interested in "fostering the existence of a community", I really think you should make an effort to change things for the better. That means enforcing the "don't be a dick" rule so people know there will be consequences for not playing nice.

Of course, I can't read your mind, so maybe you have your reasons for this. If you're willing to explain, then I'm willing to listen.

Your opinion has been noted. I stand by my earlier statement that I don't think anything productive will come from that conversation.

Well, what's wrong with trying?
Anti-authoritarian, anti-extremist, anti-bullshit.

Offline Skybison

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 1159
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2019, 08:19:25 pm »
There you go, implying I'm the only one at fault and I deserve the treatment I've gotten. You know, I think everyone should regularly ask themselves "what if I'm wrong?" How often do you do that?

Oh all the time.  Heck when you posted a link to politifact saying Trump's "Fine people" comment was out of context, I was all "wait really?" and read the thing to find out.  Then it turned out the link didn't say what you said it did, so I pointed that out and we made fun of you for not reading your own link, which I think is fairly deserved.


Offline davedan

  • Lord Cracker
  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 3316
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2019, 08:29:25 pm »
There you go, implying I'm the only one at fault and I deserve the treatment I've gotten. You know, I think everyone should regularly ask themselves "what if I'm wrong?" How often do you do that?

Oh all the time.  Heck when you posted a link to politifact saying Trump's "Fine people" comment was out of context, I was all "wait really?" and read the thing to find out.  Then it turned out the link didn't say what you said it did, so I pointed that out and we made fun of you for not reading your own link, which I think is fairly deserved.

Not reading your own links brings back memories.

Also Master Flying Ox mentioned a number of people (UP, Lana, Jacob and CU), yet CU said (bolded above) - is that a Jungian slip?

Offline SCarpelan

  • The Beast
  • *****
  • Posts: 1054
Re: Rule talk
« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2019, 09:40:18 pm »
I am so sorry that the forum policies aren't based on a literal reading of a detailed rules where someone with adequate rhetorical skills could go and look for loopholes to feel smarter than all the others. It's so horrible to be subjected to such a tyrannical system that it takes advantage of human judgement instead of literal reading of a law book or a holy scripture.