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Offline Vanto

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Germany expands flag-burning ban
« on: May 15, 2020, 11:16:41 pm »
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809

Funny how Germany has tried so hard to not go Nazi again... and yet just can't resist restricting people's rights.
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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2020, 11:35:58 pm »
Makes perfect sense to me.  They decided that just outlawing the burning of German flags and only German flags didn't make sense, so burning flags period is outlawed.

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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2020, 12:30:02 am »
Denmark takes the opposite approach (to what Germany used to take): they only outlaw burning non-Danish flags. Burning the Danish flag is free speech, period, full stop. Burning other flags, on the other hand, potentially impacts on Danish foreign policy, which is an exclusive prerogative of the government.
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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2020, 07:25:54 am »
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809

Funny how Germany has tried so hard to not go Nazi again... and yet just can't resist restricting people's rights.

Not a fan of your insinuation that modern-day Germany is just oh-so-tempted to rip off the mask and unfurl the swastika again and that they have to physically try not to do so. No one in Germany or in any other country for that matter (with the United States as the sole exception) has the "right" to burn a national symbol in effigy. There's no "right" there to restrict.

While we're here I would just like to ask, why are you so eager to toss out the Nazi card the moment the German government does something you don't like? Like, you didn't even wait a post.
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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2020, 09:45:00 am »
Makes perfect sense to me.  They decided that just outlawing the burning of German flags and only German flags didn't make sense, so burning flags period is outlawed.

Consistency is not that much of a virtue when what you're consistent about is a bad idea in the first place.
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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2020, 01:33:08 pm »
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809

Funny how Germany has tried so hard to not go Nazi again... and yet just can't resist restricting people's rights.

Not a fan of your insinuation that modern-day Germany is just oh-so-tempted to rip off the mask and unfurl the swastika again and that they have to physically try not to do so. No one in Germany or in any other country for that matter (with the United States as the sole exception) has the "right" to burn a national symbol in effigy. There's no "right" there to restrict.

While we're here I would just like to ask, why are you so eager to toss out the Nazi card the moment the German government does something you don't like? Like, you didn't even wait a post.

https://constitutional.findlaw.ca/article/is-it-illegal-to-burn-the-canadian-flag/

Flag burning is protected speech in Canada.

I've also seen references to flag burning being legal in places such as Belgium, Denmark (as noted, domestic flag only), Japan (ditto), possibly Australia, possibly Ireland, possibly Romania, and sometimes Switzerland (you can burn your own Swiss flag, but you can't burn one on a government building).
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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2020, 07:07:23 pm »
K so it's not ok to burn a flag in Germany.  Guess that's a short step to gassing people because they pray to god in a certain way.

Ironbite-you fucking moron.

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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2020, 09:51:54 pm »
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809

Funny how Germany has tried so hard to not go Nazi again... and yet just can't resist restricting people's rights.

Not a fan of your insinuation that modern-day Germany is just oh-so-tempted to rip off the mask and unfurl the swastika again and that they have to physically try not to do so. No one in Germany or in any other country for that matter (with the United States as the sole exception) has the "right" to burn a national symbol in effigy. There's no "right" there to restrict.

While we're here I would just like to ask, why are you so eager to toss out the Nazi card the moment the German government does something you don't like? Like, you didn't even wait a post.

I was being facetious.

K so it's not ok to burn a flag in Germany.  Guess that's a short step to gassing people because they pray to god in a certain way.

Ironbite-you fucking moron.

No need to be rude.
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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2020, 01:39:53 pm »
But you implying that Germany is going Nazi and is opressing people isn't rude?

False politeness while saying hateful things is just a bullshit way to try to prevent others from retaliating to your insults.
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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2020, 06:35:24 pm »
But you implying that Germany is going Nazi and is opressing people isn't rude?

False politeness while saying hateful things is just a bullshit way to try to prevent others from retaliating to your insults.

There's a difference between dark jokes about a government's authoritarian measures and calling someone a "fucking moron" over a bit of facetiousness. I don't get butthurt when people compare my president to a literal comic book supervillain, so what's the big deal?
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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2020, 07:23:33 pm »
You came onto a left-leaning message board and thought you'd get a pass?

Ironbite-oh buddy...got news for you.

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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2020, 10:51:31 pm »
But you implying that Germany is going Nazi and is opressing people isn't rude?

False politeness while saying hateful things is just a bullshit way to try to prevent others from retaliating to your insults.

There's a difference between dark jokes about a government's authoritarian measures and calling someone a "fucking moron" over a bit of facetiousness. I don't get butthurt when people compare my president to a literal comic book supervillain, so what's the big deal?

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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2020, 08:07:20 pm »
You came onto a left-leaning message board and thought you'd get a pass?

Ironbite-oh buddy...got news for you.

Because being left-leaning means supporting arbitrary restrictions on freedom of expression?
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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2020, 05:40:11 am »
You came onto a left-leaning message board and thought you'd get a pass?

Ironbite-oh buddy...got news for you.

Because being left-leaning means supporting arbitrary restrictions on freedom of expression?

You're the only one here who thinks these restrictions are arbitrary.
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Re: Germany expands flag-burning ban
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2020, 05:03:02 pm »
You came onto a left-leaning message board and thought you'd get a pass?

Ironbite-oh buddy...got news for you.

Because being left-leaning means supporting arbitrary restrictions on freedom of expression?

You're the only one here who thinks these restrictions are arbitrary.

I didn't call anyone a nazi over it, but I did specifically call this a bad idea. Flag burning should be protected speech.
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