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Title: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Radiation on June 25, 2013, 11:55:08 pm
This will be a thread for the worst parts of social justice either on Tumblr or elsewhere on the Internet. Note this is out of Flame and Burn and forum rules will be enforced. This will allow us to do as we did before but with more civility and more reasonable discussions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 26, 2013, 12:00:27 am
 This Is Thin Privilege posted a story about how someone is upset about having their group's picture taken and posted to a blog without their permission. Which is fine, but then they go and reblog a post about a woman who (presumably) stared at a fat person on the Subway complete with her picture.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/24fcbd98d58f17e32529426a39e3ee0d/tumblr_mo59oeGw4w1qilgqqo1_1280.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a5db388291837f853c9a8533ffb0a08c/tumblr_mo59oeGw4w1qilgqqo2_500.png)

Here's the link to the second post in full:
http://thisisthinprivilege.tumblr.com/post/52475680487/algietheminer-anactingangel-smilesizeist

What I want to know, is how that isn't hypocritical?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on June 26, 2013, 12:07:29 am
I don't feel like digging up the link now, but once I saw someone on tumblr call out someone else on "cultural appropriation" because they named their dog Bindi. They then wished for said dog to die. Regardless of whether they were right or not about the cultural appropriation, the dog didn't choose its fucking name.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ThunderWulf on June 26, 2013, 12:09:08 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 26, 2013, 12:00:27 am
This Is Thin Privilege posted a story about how someone is upset about having their group's picture taken and posted to a blog without their permission. Which is fine, but then they go and reblog a post about a woman who (presumably) stared at a fat person on the Subway complete with her picture.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/24fcbd98d58f17e32529426a39e3ee0d/tumblr_mo59oeGw4w1qilgqqo1_1280.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a5db388291837f853c9a8533ffb0a08c/tumblr_mo59oeGw4w1qilgqqo2_500.png)

Here's the link to the second post in full:
http://thisisthinprivilege.tumblr.com/post/52475680487/algietheminer-anactingangel-smilesizeist

What I want to know, is how that isn't hypocritical?

Because they're doing it.  I've noticed that no matter the group, people will often call out the hypocrisy of others, but ignore their own.  It gets frustrating in large doses.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 26, 2013, 03:50:05 am
Has the SJW blogosphere exploded about the Jeselnik Offensive yet? Id imagine he'd have whole pages to himself on Your Fave is Problematic...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on June 26, 2013, 05:23:51 am
I want to know how This Is Thin Privilege responds to the following 2 facts:

1. Weight can be changed. This means that the status of "thin" can effectively be "earned." The definition of privilege is generally given as a benefit conveyed by society on a classification that is not & can not be earned, such as race or sexual orientation.
2. Most of the supposed "privileges" of being "thin" have a dark side that is arguably worse than the benefits that they provide. For instance, while thin people are portrayed as beautiful, these portrayals are usually edited to be UNREALISTICALLY thin, which results in eating disorders. Which thin people are then berated for having, whether they actually do or not. Generally, if the risks dramatically outweigh the benefits, you aren't considered to be privileged.

It's quite possible that some things do not conform to a simple privilege/oppression dynamic, & that sometimes it's pretty much lose/lose.

Edit: Answered my own question. I find myself not liking a little less than half of This Is Thin Privilege's FAQ.

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I think it’s important to note that disability is its own underprivileged status, and in this case thin people with EDs are conflating the oppression they feel for lacking able-bodied privilege with a negation of their thin privilege.

This whole "there are no significant drawbacks to thin people due to the promotion of thinness because that's something else" thing is a real running theme.

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There’s a false dichotomy being set up in this question.

Such as fat*=oppressed & thin=privileged?

*=Wasn't sure what to list as opposite to "thin," but since the blog drops the word "fat" quite nonchalantly, I figured I'd take a "when in Rome" approach.

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No. Body size is second only to height in heritability. Would you suggest that someone who’s too tall get shorter? No? Didn’t think so. You’ve been sold a pack of lies by the healthists and their corporate sponsors, the diet industry. Educate yourself.

As for the word ‘obese,’ it’s a medicalization of the human body, and the pathologization of a natural state. In short, I abhor it.

Let’s get this straight: The number of people who go from fat to thin, and stay there, statistically rounds down to zero.

I think that the necessity & ease of weight loss are dramatically overstated myths as well, but that it's essentially impossible for anyone sounds a lot like bullshit.

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People who deny thin privilege and fat discrimination are trolls. Even if they don’t know it.

Well, I guess I can't argue with that logic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on June 26, 2013, 01:06:22 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on June 26, 2013, 12:07:29 am
I don't feel like digging up the link now, but once I saw someone on tumblr call out someone else on "cultural appropriation" because they named their dog Bindi. They then wished for said dog to die. Regardless of whether they were right or not about the cultural appropriation, the dog didn't choose its fucking name.

They should also get pissy as Bindi Irwin, then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on June 26, 2013, 02:19:51 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on June 26, 2013, 12:07:29 am
I don't feel like digging up the link now, but once I saw someone on tumblr call out someone else on "cultural appropriation" because they named their dog Bindi. They then wished for said dog to die. Regardless of whether they were right or not about the cultural appropriation, the dog didn't choose its fucking name.

Cultural appropriation is baaaaad, but innocent animals dying because you personally disagree with their owners is totally kumbaya.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 26, 2013, 06:15:57 pm
I think the reason a lot of SJWs engage in hypocritical behaviors without acknowledging it or even denying that they're hypocrites is because they view it as "eye for an eye" sort of thing. In the case of the thin privilege blog up top, they feel that because their group was photographed and posted online, it's okay to do the same in "revenge" even if the person wasn't involved. They're probably also applying new context to the woman's apparent "Tsk of disgust", misinterpreting a benign action as a negative one directed specifically at them, or even inventing the action wholesale (either in their heads after the fact or intentionally lying to make for a justification).

And on that note, the reason crazy SJWs can feel good about taking "revenge" on people who have never wronged them is because the turn it into "us vs. them". All thin people are evil because of thin privilege. All white people are evil because some whites are racist. All cissexual people are evil because some cis folks don't believe in transsexuality. It's much easier to justify hatred and evil against a group if you can simply paint them with a sweeping brush and not have to think about their worth as a person.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on June 26, 2013, 06:31:02 pm
I never understand why everybody has to think in black and white, other than it's so damn easy to just dehumanize an entire group of people instead of think of others. Those people are nothing more than "Moonbats," the opposite extreme versions of a Wingnut (thanks, RationalWiki, for offering a such term, I don't know how many people use it, though).

But at the same time, we had people on this forum paint Social Justice Advocates in dark paint because of those idiots, who themselves - as already mentioned - do the same for a group of regular targets over specific idiots of that background. And the worst aspect, those people even consider reverse discrimination as justified. Discrimination is discrimination, no buts, no exceptions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 26, 2013, 06:46:03 pm
Quote from: Alehksu Kihdo on June 26, 2013, 06:31:02 pm
I never understand why everybody has to think in black and white, other than it's so damn easy to just dehumanize an entire group of people instead of think of others.

That's exactly it: it IS easier. People tend to take the easy way out. The other choice would be to critically think about individuals and consider as many factors (as well as how important each factor is, rather than simply assigning equal importance to everything) as possible before making a decision. But that not only takes way more time and effort, but it means that you often have to ask yourself a lot of uncomfortable questions and risk coming to a conclusion that you don't agree with.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on June 26, 2013, 07:11:11 pm
It's so easy to view the world in black and white. But grey? I don't know what to do with grey.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on June 26, 2013, 08:31:10 pm
Dissect it at area 51?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on June 26, 2013, 08:50:46 pm
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But at the same time, we had people on this forum paint Social Justice Advocates in dark paint because of those idiots

Point of order: I still think that most social justice bloggers are morons.
Reason why: Most ANYTHING on the internet is fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on June 26, 2013, 08:53:35 pm
Quote from: Lithp on June 26, 2013, 08:50:46 pm
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But at the same time, we had people on this forum paint Social Justice Advocates in dark paint because of those idiots

Point of order: I still think that most social justice bloggers are morons.
Reason why: Most ANYTHING on the internet is fucking stupid.
Though the failure of internet activism(for anything other than goals directly related to the internet) may best be a seperate subject. It did make for a wonderfully long fight in the SJW thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on June 26, 2013, 09:24:10 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on June 26, 2013, 07:11:11 pm
It's so easy to view the world in black and white. But grey? I don't know what to do with grey.

Make 50 shades of it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on June 26, 2013, 11:12:55 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on June 26, 2013, 09:24:10 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on June 26, 2013, 07:11:11 pm
It's so easy to view the world in black and white. But grey? I don't know what to do with grey.

Make 50 shades of it.
50,000 shades (http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Thousand-Shades-Of-Grey-Ashen/dp/1479215430), more like.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on June 26, 2013, 11:35:18 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on June 26, 2013, 09:24:10 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on June 26, 2013, 07:11:11 pm
It's so easy to view the world in black and white. But grey? I don't know what to do with grey.

Make 50 shades of it.

EW
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 27, 2013, 01:39:12 am
Social justice warrior movethefuckoverbro explains why they can't just simply ask "bro" to move over:

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First of all, I shouldn’t have to. They are in public and should be acting appropriately, which includes not encroaching on other people’s space and not feeling entitled to as many seats as you can fit your legs onto.
Second, asking a man to move is incredibly intimidating for women, because of the very real threat of male violence. If you don’t understand this you probably also don’t understand why women don’t arbitrarily take any old route home at night and I recommend talking to a woman irl about her safety routines.
Third, initiating conversation with men, even if it’s just to ask them to move over, often leads to continued and extremely unwelcome attention from the man. Like, ‘excuse me’ somehow gets regarded as a come on


I'm sorry but violence isn't a normal response to "could you please move over." Ever. That's not normal.
How do these people even function?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 27, 2013, 01:43:51 am
I wonder if she's ever fled in terror at a man who casually glanced at her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 27, 2013, 02:01:14 am
This one does have some point but I'm infurated be the tone of the article:

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

Seriously, she has a point about not cornering a stranger in the corner to start a conversation with her but the whole article is just...

"Schroedinger's rapist?" Apparently there is nothing that a man can do to prove that he is not a potential rapist.

Which might be true from a certain point of view but the whole shaming the men aspect just annoys me.

But the thing that annoys me the most is that if the tone was different. If this wasn't so passive agressive rant I would have put it in the GOOD Social Justice thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on June 27, 2013, 02:30:04 am
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I recommend talking to a woman irl about her safety routines.

Uh, if conversing with a man is so intimidating, that means I would be making a threat. Fuck, that even sounds kind of like a threat to ME. "So, what kind of safety routes do you take, hm?"

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This one does have some point but I'm infurated be the tone of the article:

I don't see why you would be. I am pretty damn biased when it comes to these "constantly second guess yourself as coming across as some kind of criminal weirdo" type posts, & even I find little to complain about in here. I'd even say that a fair amount of it is pretty funny, especially given the subject matter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 27, 2013, 02:38:56 am
Quote from: askold on June 27, 2013, 02:01:14 am
This one does have some point but I'm infurated be the tone of the article:

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

Seriously, she has a point about not cornering a stranger in the corner to start a conversation with her but the whole article is just...

"Schroedinger's rapist?" Apparently there is nothing that a man can do to prove that he is not a potential rapist.

Which might be true from a certain point of view but the whole shaming the men aspect just annoys me.

But the thing that annoys me the most is that if the tone was different. If this wasn't so passive agressive rant I would have put it in the GOOD Social Justice thread.

I think my main problem is the negative effect that approaching every man like a potential rapist will cause. It results in inherent lack of trust and intimidation by all men that she approaches, which will inevitably result in unconscious (or possibly even conscious) words and body language that treat the person as a potential threat. How would you feel if every stranger you met immediately responded to your approach as a possible threat and acted accordingly? You're not going to get along well with them, I bet.

Not to mention that, as is commonly stated, the vast majority of rapes are done by those that already knew the victim. Statistically, treating every strange man as a threat purely because he's a man is the OPPOSITE of what you should be doing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Patches on June 27, 2013, 06:48:59 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 27, 2013, 01:39:12 am
Social justice warrior movethefuckoverbro explains why they can't just simply ask "bro" to move over:

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First of all, I shouldn’t have to. They are in public and should be acting appropriately, which includes not encroaching on other people’s space and not feeling entitled to as many seats as you can fit your legs onto.
Second, asking a man to move is incredibly intimidating for women, because of the very real threat of male violence. If you don’t understand this you probably also don’t understand why women don’t arbitrarily take any old route home at night and I recommend talking to a woman irl about her safety routines.
Third, initiating conversation with men, even if it’s just to ask them to move over, often leads to continued and extremely unwelcome attention from the man. Like, ‘excuse me’ somehow gets regarded as a come on


I'm sorry but violence isn't a normal response to "could you please move over." Ever. That's not normal.
How do these people even function?
You'd... be surprised, actually.  I actually completely agree with this person's sentiments.  If you see a man who is already flagrantly displaying his disregard and contempt for other people, calling him on it, especially as a woman, is probably a very risky thing to do.  I can't imagine that the type of person who would willfully block other people's paths or take up more space than they need would be the type to just say, "Oh, I'm sorry" if asked to move.  The entire reason they're doing it is because they're looking for someone to challenge them, so they can use that as justification for a confrontation.

In short, what this person is saying is, "If you see a troll, don't feed it."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on June 27, 2013, 07:56:54 am
Quote from: Patches on June 27, 2013, 06:48:59 am
You'd... be surprised, actually.  I actually completely agree with this person's sentiments.  If you see a man who is already flagrantly displaying his disregard and contempt for other people, calling him on it, especially as a woman, is probably a very risky thing to do.  I can't imagine that the type of person who would willfully block other people's paths or take up more space than they need would be the type to just say, "Oh, I'm sorry" if asked to move.  The entire reason they're doing it is because they're looking for someone to challenge them, so they can use that as justification for a confrontation.

In short, what this person is saying is, "If you see a troll, don't feed it."
Except that's not qualified in that way, it's simply stating all men. Most anyone isn't going to open themselves up to dealing with an aggressive ass. That's not a woman thing, that's a human thing. I say this as someone who could easily accidentally block something by being carless while having a conversation, but would get out of the way if asked.

It's part of the internet "assume the worst about what that person didn't say" fitler. We see it a lot.


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It is shocking and horrifying to see so-called lefties and ‘progressives’ be so horrible to their non-human comrades.
So called lefties, and 'progressives'. So would this be no true revolutionary?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 27, 2013, 08:16:41 am
Quote from: askold on June 27, 2013, 02:01:14 am
This one does have some point but I'm infurated be the tone of the article:

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

Seriously, she has a point about not cornering a stranger in the corner to start a conversation with her but the whole article is just...

"Schroedinger's rapist?" Apparently there is nothing that a man can do to prove that he is not a potential rapist.

Which might be true from a certain point of view but the whole shaming the men aspect just annoys me.

But the thing that annoys me the most is that if the tone was different. If this wasn't so passive agressive rant I would have put it in the GOOD Social Justice thread.

Honestly, I don't see what you mean about passive-aggressiveness. The author seems to be making an extraordinary effort to clarify that it's not that every man is a rapist. That it's not necessarily the man's fault if a woman feels uncomfortable or unsafe. It's a reaction to statistical realities and even an explanation of what to do to make sure you don't appear threatening to a stranger. Frankly, she could've just said "A shitload of rape is going on, I feel perfectly justified in being uncomfortable around people who might rape me" and leave it at that, but she went beyond that to make sure the message is clear.


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Not to mention that, as is commonly stated, the vast majority of rapes are done by those that already knew the victim. Statistically, treating every strange man as a threat purely because he's a man is the OPPOSITE of what you should be doing.

1. Someone that asks you out on a date and then rapes you during it counts as rape by someone who knew the victim, I would guess.

2. What's what she should be doing, treating every stranger as a harmless kitten until they become acquaintances, at which point he becomes a rapist? I'd guess that the reason one is more likely to be raped by an acquaintance is a matter of opportunity. Being already in the same room in private, that sort of thing. Therefore, it makes perfect sense to be wary of giving strangers those opportunities until you know a bit more about them, and can make a slightly more informed judgement.

3. Even if the whole thing was fully unjustified (which I don't think it is), if someone feels uncomfortable around strange men then it still makes sense to make some allowances. If someone is afraid of flying because every time they get on a plane they vividly imagine a crash, then you can't just quote air crash statistics at them and then be surprised they still don't want to get on a plane. Even if the risk is not there, fear makes the experience unpleasant and they have every right to avoid it, or to try to act in such a way as to feel safer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ThunderWulf on June 27, 2013, 10:46:51 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 27, 2013, 01:39:12 am
Social justice warrior movethefuckoverbro explains why they can't just simply ask "bro" to move over:

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First of all, I shouldn’t have to. They are in public and should be acting appropriately, which includes not encroaching on other people’s space and not feeling entitled to as many seats as you can fit your legs onto.
Second, asking a man to move is incredibly intimidating for women, because of the very real threat of male violence. If you don’t understand this you probably also don’t understand why women don’t arbitrarily take any old route home at night and I recommend talking to a woman irl about her safety routines.
Third, initiating conversation with men, even if it’s just to ask them to move over, often leads to continued and extremely unwelcome attention from the man. Like, ‘excuse me’ somehow gets regarded as a come on


I'm sorry but violence isn't a normal response to "could you please move over." Ever. That's not normal.
How do these people even function?

I... what?  Yes, because I'm going to sexually assault you because you ask me to move over or say excuse me.  That is one of the DUMBEST things I've ever heard, and completely takes away from the very real problem of real violence against women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 27, 2013, 11:05:12 am
Quote from: Patches on June 27, 2013, 06:48:59 am
You'd... be surprised, actually.  I actually completely agree with this person's sentiments.  If you see a man who is already flagrantly displaying his disregard and contempt for other people, calling him on it, especially as a woman, is probably a very risky thing to do.  I can't imagine that the type of person who would willfully block other people's paths or take up more space than they need would be the type to just say, "Oh, I'm sorry" if asked to move.  The entire reason they're doing it is because they're looking for someone to challenge them, so they can use that as justification for a confrontation.

In short, what this person is saying is, "If you see a troll, don't feed it."
Not necessarily. Quite often I'll do that on public transport without even thinking about it. If there's no one sitting near me, I like to spread out a bit to get comfortable (as long as no one else is using that space, might as well, right?) I try to be aware of if the bus/train car is starting to fill up so I can pre-emptively make room if need be. However, I tend to zone out, especially if I'm listening to music, so sometimes a quick "excuse me" is necessary. I can't say the thought of attacking or raping someone over it has even crossed my mind.

That's not to say assholes on public transport isn't a thing. Far from it. Just that not everyone who takes up more space than they really should is a rapist laying in wait.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 27, 2013, 03:24:15 pm
There's a problem with thinking that every time you are mildly inconvenienced by someone it is an intentionally malicious act on their part.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on June 27, 2013, 04:37:46 pm
I'm always "fond" of people who use status to brush aside their actions. I was on a group that had a bully who happened to be trans. I was told they couldn't be a bully because trans folk are the ones who are bullied, not the bullies. Ye gods, the fact the person is trans does not keep them from being an asshat. Nor does it make them one. Their continued actions and refusal to acknowledge what they're doing wrong was what was making them an asshat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 27, 2013, 04:52:27 pm
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1. Someone that asks you out on a date and then rapes you during it counts as rape by someone who knew the victim, I would guess.

The statistics I got from RAINN (http://www.rainn.org/statistics) simply cite it as "2/3 of victims knew the rapist". They have no qualifiers except for "38% were a friend or acquaintance." At the same time, we can't determine how many of that roughly 66% were people known from a single date, as opposed to neighbors, coworkers, and the like who the victim wasn't acquainted with.

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2. What's what she should be doing, treating every stranger as a harmless kitten until they become acquaintances, at which point he becomes a rapist? I'd guess that the reason one is more likely to be raped by an acquaintance is a matter of opportunity. Being already in the same room in private, that sort of thing. Therefore, it makes perfect sense to be wary of giving strangers those opportunities until you know a bit more about them, and can make a slightly more informed judgement.

Strawman argument. There are levels between "Every stranger is harmless until they're statistically the more likely group to rape me" and "Every strange man is a potential rapist and I will treat you as a threat until you prove otherwise." Being wary of strangers is not the same as going into alert mode every time you're around one.

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3. Even if the whole thing was fully unjustified (which I don't think it is), if someone feels uncomfortable around strange men then it still makes sense to make some allowances. If someone is afraid of flying because every time they get on a plane they vividly imagine a crash, then you can't just quote air crash statistics at them and then be surprised they still don't want to get on a plane. Even if the risk is not there, fear makes the experience unpleasant and they have every right to avoid it, or to try to act in such a way as to feel safer.

"Treat all men as threats until otherwise proven" isn't a very sensible allowance, and is likely a sign that you're in need of counseling. There's a huge difference between taking sensible precautions and placing an entire, mostly benign group in your "Be terrified of" box because of the actions of a minority.

Don't we always mention here not to paint an entire, diverse group with a single brush and irrationally fear them because of the actions of a few?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on June 27, 2013, 05:01:04 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on June 27, 2013, 04:52:27 pm
"Treat all men as threats until otherwise proven" isn't a very sensible allowance, and is likely a sign that you're in need of counseling. There's a huge difference between taking sensible precautions and placing an entire, mostly benign group in your "Be terrified of" box because of the actions of a minority.
From the last time this was discussed I was rather amazed at the number of people who apparently live their lives in a state of utter terror over what other people might do to them. Regardless of apparent intent.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 27, 2013, 05:22:59 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on June 27, 2013, 04:52:27 pm
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2. What's what she should be doing, treating every stranger as a harmless kitten until they become acquaintances, at which point he becomes a rapist? I'd guess that the reason one is more likely to be raped by an acquaintance is a matter of opportunity. Being already in the same room in private, that sort of thing. Therefore, it makes perfect sense to be wary of giving strangers those opportunities until you know a bit more about them, and can make a slightly more informed judgement.

Strawman argument. There are levels between "Every stranger is harmless until they're statistically the more likely group to rape me" and "Every strange man is a potential rapist and I will treat you as a threat until you prove otherwise." Being wary of strangers is not the same as going into alert mode every time you're around one.
There certainly are plenty of levels in between, my point is that "Most rapes are committed by people known to the victim" does not imply "You are safer around strangers than around acquaintances", which is what I thought you were trying to say.
Also, what would you describe as the difference between being wary and alert mode? Also, why do you think that the writer is advocating the latter and not the former?

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3. Even if the whole thing was fully unjustified (which I don't think it is), if someone feels uncomfortable around strange men then it still makes sense to make some allowances. If someone is afraid of flying because every time they get on a plane they vividly imagine a crash, then you can't just quote air crash statistics at them and then be surprised they still don't want to get on a plane. Even if the risk is not there, fear makes the experience unpleasant and they have every right to avoid it, or to try to act in such a way as to feel safer.

"Treat all men as threats until otherwise proven" isn't a very sensible allowance, and is likely a sign that you're in need of counseling. There's a huge difference between taking sensible precautions and placing an entire, mostly benign group in your "Be terrified of" box because of the actions of a minority.
But that's not what she's doing.  She asks men to be aware of context and social cues, not saying that she refuses to interact with men under any circumstances.

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Don't we always mention here not to paint an entire, diverse group with a single brush and irrationally fear them because of the actions of a few?
But, again, that's not what she's doing. The very first point brought up in the article is that most men are good people. She explains why she is careful, and why she is more worried under some circumstances than others. If she was saying that women should treat all men as rapists regardless of anything else, then I would be entirely in agreement with you. As far as I can tell, she's saying that women are have to be aware of the possibility of rape, more so than men, and that men should realise how that affects their interactions with strange women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 27, 2013, 06:25:29 pm
You are also statistically less likely to be targeted by an actual criminal if you do engage them with neutral to friendly eye contact, a nod, a hello...or even a "please, may I sit here"?

As to assuming all men are a potential threat for your own safety consciousness routine? Maybe not as necessary as you think.

A favorite incident in my life started out pretty damned bad, but...I got on a packed-solid train after work late one night (an ATL Braves game just let out two stations before mine). I stood for a bit, but as a seat became available right next to me, I bent to sit in it, and got sort of shoved off from doing so by a young white male, who refused to acknowledge my existence. A young black male who witnessed this got up, offered his seat to me, and walked over to stand right in front of asshat, staring him down, while wearing a big grin. Asshat did not look up, but got redder and redder and nervous acting, then jumped up quickly to get off at the next stop (probably not his intended one).

There is safety in numbers. At least still here in the States and other first world countries. I say that qualifier, because yeah, India and other locales of horrific savage incidents in the news lately. Kinda don't see that happening here anytime soon, though.

As to women needing to always consider where and when to walk to be reasonably safe? Of course! That is common sense. And you know that men do the exact same thinking, unless they are clueless egotists. A gun or knife, or just the element of surprise, will trump any man's physical strength, and guys know that. They might take a risk now and then, but men are crime victims as often, or more often, than women, and a long walk down a dark alley in a sketchy neighborhood is nerve wrecking for a man, too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 27, 2013, 07:23:43 pm
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There certainly are plenty of levels in between, my point is that "Most rapes are committed by people known to the victim" does not imply "You are safer around strangers than around acquaintances", which is what I thought you were trying to say.

Definitely not. My point is that if you're picking a specific fear of a specific crime and applying it to a specific group of people, you probably shouldn't take one that's statistically the less likely group.

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Also, what would you describe as the difference between being wary and alert mode? Also, why do you think that the writer is advocating the latter and not the former?

"Wary" does not come with the implication that she will treat every unknown man as a potential rapist until they prove otherwise. She does provide some specific examples of genuinely threatening behavior, but those don't mesh well with her previous assertion that she approaches all strange men as Schrodinger's Rapist.

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But that's not what she's doing.  She asks men to be aware of context and social cues, not saying that she refuses to interact with men under any circumstances.

That is not even close to what I said. Don't imply otherwise. What I said was that she treats all men as threats, regardless of who they are, until they personally prove to her that they're not threatening and she evaluates every man she sees as a potential rapist. If you're going through your life looking at every member of a particular group and dissecting how threatening each of them is, you may need to re-evaluate your fears.

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But, again, that's not what she's doing. The very first point brought up in the article is that most men are good people. She explains why she is careful, and why she is more worried under some circumstances than others. If she was saying that women should treat all men as rapists regardless of anything else, then I would be entirely in agreement with you. As far as I can tell, she's saying that women are have to be aware of the possibility of rape, more so than men, and that men should realise how that affects their interactions with strange women.

"Be aware of the possibility of rape" is not the same as "I will treat you as a potential rapist if I don't know you." That's not an exaggeration, either. She outright states that if she doesn't know you, she is considering the possibility that you may rape her. If she was saying that she's always considering the possibility of a black guy robbing her until they prove otherwise, people would be calling foul.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on June 27, 2013, 07:48:49 pm
I think being automatically wary of all men is sort of a preemptive reaction to the victim-blaming she may receive if a man does, in fact, turn out to be a rapist. Sort of like, "But he was so creepy to you! Why didn't you notice sooner?" As if it's her responsibility to magically know which men are good and which men are bad. Neither side of this is particularly rational from an objective perspective but it's important to realize why she might feel that way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 27, 2013, 08:01:39 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on June 27, 2013, 07:48:49 pm
I think being automatically wary of all men is sort of a preemptive reaction to the victim-blaming she may receive if a man does, in fact, turn out to be a rapist. Sort of like, "But he was so creepy to you! Why didn't you notice sooner?" As if it's her responsibility to magically know which men are good and which men are bad. Neither side of this is particularly rational from an objective perspective but it's important to realize why she might feel that way.

I realize why she acts this way. Understanding someone's point of view doesn't necessarily make their behavior correct or rational, however. In fact, it's highly likely that automatically engaging in defensive behavior (which includes various social cues and body language, consciously or otherwise) will be seen as intimidating or possibly antagonistic depending on what she does.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 27, 2013, 10:41:43 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on June 27, 2013, 07:23:43 pm
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There certainly are plenty of levels in between, my point is that "Most rapes are committed by people known to the victim" does not imply "You are safer around strangers than around acquaintances", which is what I thought you were trying to say.

Definitely not. My point is that if you're picking a specific fear of a specific crime and applying it to a specific group of people, you probably shouldn't take one that's statistically the less likely group.
Sorry for misunderstanding, then.

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Also, what would you describe as the difference between being wary and alert mode? Also, why do you think that the writer is advocating the latter and not the former?

"Wary" does not come with the implication that she will treat every unknown man as a potential rapist until they prove otherwise. She does provide some specific examples of genuinely threatening behavior, but those don't mesh well with her previous assertion that she approaches all strange men as Schrodinger's Rapist.

You keep using the phrasing "treat men like potential rapists". What do you think this entails, exactly?

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If you're going through your life looking at every member of a particular group and dissecting how threatening each of them is, you may need to re-evaluate your fears.

Depends on how you go about it, really. Devoting a significant amount of your conscious thought to it is over-reaction, and will probably kill you with stress. Subconsciously analysing a stranger you pass by on the street, reacting if there's a hint in their manner that they might do something, is a basic necessity.

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"Be aware of the possibility of rape" is not the same as "I will treat you as a potential rapist if I don't know you." That's not an exaggeration, either. She outright states that if she doesn't know you, she is considering the possibility that you may rape her.

I'm confused here. How is being aware of the possibility of rape not the same thing as considering the possibility of rape?

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If she was saying that she's always considering the possibility of a black guy robbing her until they prove otherwise, people would be calling foul.

Only if she didn't extend the same care to guys of other races. Considering the possibility that people in general might rob you is a good way to diminish the chances of being robbed.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 27, 2013, 11:16:42 pm
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Welcome to Tumblr, where living healthy is ableism.

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You've done it friend. You've done the activism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on June 27, 2013, 11:38:03 pm
In relation to the Schrodinger's Rapist thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4LkrQCyIz8
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on June 28, 2013, 10:47:39 am
Recently some coworkers and I had this same discussion. During the course, a lady I work with brought up tthis analogy. Shesaid it's comparable to how a guy might feel walking around with $3000 in twenties in their wallet. She came up with that number because that many bills in a wallet would probably be notices. But she said the procautions you'd take are similar. I thought that was a decent analogy worthy of sharing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 29, 2013, 02:10:47 am
Meanwhile in radfem land:
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Q:So it's a bad thing to like down right rough sex?

A:you’re not a shitty person for it, but yeah asserting dominance over a woman via sex is rape.

Because a woman enjoying rough sex is totally akin to rape.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 29, 2013, 02:54:29 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 29, 2013, 02:10:47 am
Meanwhile in radfem land:
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Q:So it's a bad thing to like down right rough sex?

A:you’re not a shitty person for it, but yeah asserting dominance over a woman via sex is rape.

Because a woman enjoying rough sex is totally akin to rape.

The best part is that this moron is essentially saying that by their logic, someone can be a rapist and still be a good person overall. That's a rather interesting implication, I have to say.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on June 29, 2013, 03:30:50 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 29, 2013, 02:54:29 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 29, 2013, 02:10:47 am
Meanwhile in radfem land:
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Q:So it's a bad thing to like down right rough sex?

A:you’re not a shitty person for it, but yeah asserting dominance over a woman via sex is rape.

Because a woman enjoying rough sex is totally akin to rape.

The best part is that this moron is essentially saying that by their logic, someone can be a rapist and still be a good person overall. That's a rather interesting implication, I have to say.

Oh my God, the other day, I was taking one of my tours through Cathy Brennan's mystical land of batshittery, & I found myself on a site detailing how penis-in-vaginal sex is a heinous crime. I wish I could find it again, but choice excerpts were, paraphrased to the best of my recollection:

"It can literally kill you, from complications from pregnancy & STDs."
"These complications don't exist for men. What if men could literally die from sex? Then would we care?"
"What kind of person would want to do this to a woman? What kind of woman would want to do this?"
"All penetrative sex is rape."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 29, 2013, 04:00:42 am
It's a good thing sexually transmitted HIV/AIDS isn't a thing; people would die from that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 29, 2013, 04:19:10 am
Quote from: Lithp on June 29, 2013, 03:30:50 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 29, 2013, 02:54:29 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 29, 2013, 02:10:47 am
Meanwhile in radfem land:
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Q:So it's a bad thing to like down right rough sex?

A:you’re not a shitty person for it, but yeah asserting dominance over a woman via sex is rape.

Because a woman enjoying rough sex is totally akin to rape.

The best part is that this moron is essentially saying that by their logic, someone can be a rapist and still be a good person overall. That's a rather interesting implication, I have to say.

Oh my God, the other day, I was taking one of my tours through Cathy Brennan's mystical land of batshittery, & I found myself on a site detailing how penis-in-vaginal sex is a heinous crime. I wish I could find it again, but choice excerpts were, paraphrased to the best of my recollection:

"It can literally kill you, from complications from pregnancy & STDs."
"These complications don't exist for men. What if men could literally die from sex? Then would we care?"
"What kind of person would want to do this to a woman? What kind of woman would want to do this?"
"All penetrative sex is rape."

Ah, yes. The "we shall empower women by treating all of them like naive children, incapable of assessing risks and consenting to sex" mindset.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 29, 2013, 06:45:02 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 29, 2013, 04:00:42 am
It's a good thing sexually transmitted HIV/AIDS isn't a thing; people would die from that.

What's worse is that in the paraphrased quote, she specifically brings up STDs and then says that men don't suffer from that.

Literally saying that men can't get STDs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on June 29, 2013, 06:50:53 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 29, 2013, 02:10:47 am
Meanwhile in radfem land:
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Q:So it's a bad thing to like down right rough sex?

A:you’re not a shitty person for it, but yeah asserting dominance over a woman via sex is rape.

Because a woman enjoying rough sex is totally akin to rape.

Oh good. I'm a rapist. I better go add that to my description on my tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on June 29, 2013, 06:59:42 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on June 29, 2013, 04:19:10 am
Ah, yes. The "we shall empower women by treating all of them like naive children, incapable of assessing risks and consenting to sex" mindset.
Some times I wonder if they're just plain afraid of sex, possibly just with men, but given some of the other things I've seen I'm not sure that's the limit of it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on June 29, 2013, 10:09:21 am
Quote from: Distind on June 29, 2013, 06:59:42 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on June 29, 2013, 04:19:10 am
Ah, yes. The "we shall empower women by treating all of them like naive children, incapable of assessing risks and consenting to sex" mindset.
Some times I wonder if they're just plain afraid of sex, possibly just with men, but given some of the other things I've seen I'm not sure that's the limit of it.
Closet Christians with some rather deep rooted guilt issues about enjoying themselves?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on June 29, 2013, 10:14:12 am
Honestly, my favorite part about the article is none of the stuff that's been mentioned. It's the "why would anyone do this?" I imagine it has nothing to do with biological compulsion to preserve the species. And they can't even get out of it with the turkey baster method, because pregnancy is one of the main things they cite as proof that "it can literally kill you."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 29, 2013, 10:40:26 am
Not to mention that sex -- yes, even the evil vaginal intercourse -- feels pretty god damn good. And, being a competent adult who is capable of measuring and taking steps to minimize risks, and not a helpless child, I choose to engage in it by my own free will.

But obviously I'm just too dumb and brainwashed to realize that I'm actually being raped every time I have sex willingly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on June 29, 2013, 11:44:19 am
Oh, they had counters for those.

The claim was that few women enjoy vaginal sex & most find it uncomfortable, & the question "is it really okay to put her life in danger just because she 'wants you to'? Do you feel comfortable with that?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on June 29, 2013, 02:26:45 pm
Quote from: Lithp on June 29, 2013, 11:44:19 am
Oh, they had counters for those.

The claim was that few women enjoy vaginal sex & most find it uncomfortable, & the question "is it really okay to put her life in danger just because she 'wants you to'? Do you feel comfortable with that?"
I guess I'm lucky I found one of the few, and I drive her to the store when she asks which I suspect is far more statistically likely to result in death then engaging in vaginal intercourse with her.  8)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on June 29, 2013, 02:56:52 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on June 29, 2013, 02:26:45 pm
Quote from: Lithp on June 29, 2013, 11:44:19 am
Oh, they had counters for those.

The claim was that few women enjoy vaginal sex & most find it uncomfortable, & the question "is it really okay to put her life in danger just because she 'wants you to'? Do you feel comfortable with that?"
I guess I'm lucky I found one of the few, and I drive her to the store when she asks which I suspect is far more statistically likely to result in death then engaging in vaginal intercourse with her.  8)

Now I have the urge to Google statistics on people dying from sex.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 29, 2013, 03:16:00 pm
The danger is that PIV sex may lead to crotchspawn that eventually blog utter nonsense that undermines interest in discussing real issues blogged about by intelligent people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 29, 2013, 04:14:49 pm
Quote from: Lithp on June 29, 2013, 11:44:19 am
Oh, they had counters for those.

The claim was that few women enjoy vaginal sex & most find it uncomfortable, & the question "is it really okay to put her life in danger just because she 'wants you to'? Do you feel comfortable with that?"

I thought the statistic was that the majority of women are unable to get off on vaginal sex alone, not that the majority of women are unable to enjoy vaginal sex at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 29, 2013, 05:08:25 pm
Quote from: Lithp on June 29, 2013, 11:44:19 am
Oh, they had counters for those.

The claim was that few women enjoy vaginal sex & most find it uncomfortable, & the question "is it really okay to put her life in danger just because she 'wants you to'? Do you feel comfortable with that?"

So, women are idiots who need men to protect us from our own stupidity. Got it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 29, 2013, 08:56:48 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/6d241c1e4abfb310d10e78cd830255c9/tumblr_moubhr276S1s3i3mmo1_500.jpg)

Or maybe the creators make them that way because they're actually are people out there who can't eat sugar and gluten?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 29, 2013, 09:14:26 pm
Or are people who want to help people actually, oh, I dunno, mind their weight? Maybe some people are actually interested in healthy living instead of "accepting fatness."

My dad almost DIED due to his weight problem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 30, 2013, 01:13:17 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on June 29, 2013, 05:08:25 pm
Quote from: Lithp on June 29, 2013, 11:44:19 am
Oh, they had counters for those.

The claim was that few women enjoy vaginal sex & most find it uncomfortable, & the question "is it really okay to put her life in danger just because she 'wants you to'? Do you feel comfortable with that?"

So, women are idiots who need men to protect us from our own stupidity. Got it.

How else would you explain the fact that most women seem to *gasp* like things like penis in vagina sex? 

Since many radfem ideas are so unpopular they just assume that all the other women are either idiots or simply lying about how they feel.

Kinda like when some fundies claim that atheists all believe in God but are in denial. They cannot comprehend the idea that others might think differently than they do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on June 30, 2013, 01:25:23 am
How do these women sleep at night? I bet their heads would explode if they had to admit some women like anal. Or...gasp!...giving oral.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on June 30, 2013, 01:34:42 am
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I thought the statistic was that the majority of women are unable to get off on vaginal sex alone, not that the majority of women are unable to enjoy vaginal sex at all.

If you haven't noticed, much of it is technically true, at least partially, but dramatically overstated. Yeah, you can die, indirectly, from sex. But it's not very common, especially in first world countries, which while they like to deny is their target audience, is sort of necessitated by the fact that they're blogging.

What I read on Wiki was that it was found that there aren't very many nerve endings inside the vagina itself, & that it was suspected that enjoyment of vaginal sex is mostly psychological.

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So, women are idiots who need men to protect us from our own stupidity. Got it.

It was a really bizarre attempt to appeal to both sides, but yeah, it does kind of come off that way, doesn't it?

It's worth keeping in mind, Cathy Brennan & most of her supporters are lesbians. Not only that, they're lesbians who think that gay dudes and straight women would be interested in transwomen. I don't know why anyone would be looking to them for unbiased information on heterosexual sex.

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How do these women sleep at night? I bet their heads would explode if they had to admit some women like anal. Or...gasp!...giving oral.

Judging by my correspondences with Cathy, snugly, kept warm by the flames of their own rage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on June 30, 2013, 01:45:11 am
Now I feel like I need to find a guy to blow just to be spiteful. -_-
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: R. U. Sirius on June 30, 2013, 02:59:47 am
I volunteer!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 30, 2013, 03:36:53 am
I would volunteer, but last time I did that, the force of the ejaculate broke the poor girl's neck. I just barely avoided going to jail for manslaughter by the skin of my teeth.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on June 30, 2013, 03:46:30 am
At least you don't fire beams of plasma hotter than the surface of the sun.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: R. U. Sirius on June 30, 2013, 04:09:55 am
Quote from: Lithp on June 30, 2013, 03:46:30 am
At least you don't fire beams of plasma hotter than the surface of the sun.

Does it also burn when you pee? You may want to have that checked out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on June 30, 2013, 04:11:17 am
Quote from: R. U. Sirius on June 30, 2013, 04:09:55 am
Quote from: Lithp on June 30, 2013, 03:46:30 am
At least you don't fire beams of plasma hotter than the surface of the sun.

Does it also burn when you pee? You may want to have that checked out.

I don't shoot lightning when I pee, fucking keep up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 30, 2013, 05:26:05 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/670318e9e9d9afa4f48b0e27cbb61bfa/tumblr_mp60e4m9uL1ryeto5o1_500.png)

o_O
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 30, 2013, 05:36:33 pm
Being fat doesn't adversely affect the health of the people around you, unlike smoking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 30, 2013, 05:44:46 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 30, 2013, 05:36:33 pm
Being fat doesn't adversely affect the health of the people around you, unlike smoking.

You've clearly never seen a fat person kidnapping people, tying them up, and force-feeding them for months.

Because apparently that's what happened to this smoker.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 30, 2013, 05:46:52 pm
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a word of advice to all men and boys:

do NOT speak to women if they aren’t your friend, relative, coworker or some other form of relation.

if they don’t know you in any way, DO NOT SPEAK TO THEM.

they don’t want your attention your opinion or your concern.

YOU ARE ALWAYS A THREAT TO THEM.

and to invade their space, to engage them with out their express permission is to disregard their personhood.

to insult them

and never too far from assaulting them.

We are looking out for ourselves and our own goals.

If we don’t know you we don’t care for you. Your life is meaningless to us.

keep that in mind and don’t strut around like anyone’s supposed to be impressed with your shitty existence.

Well, this is going to make food service jobs a lot more interesting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Mister Argent! on June 30, 2013, 06:39:10 pm
Sounds like someone's been having a bad day!

...i kinda got to wonder what these people are like in real life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 30, 2013, 06:47:58 pm
Quote from: Mister Argent! on June 30, 2013, 06:39:10 pm
Sounds like someone's been having a bad day!

...i kinda got to wonder what these people are like in real life.

Either terrified of the world or acts semi-normal while secretly resentful of millions of imagined slights.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 30, 2013, 11:04:15 pm
You know, I'd almost pay to have a little of that...I'm always secretly terrified that I'M the one offending everyone else.

Oi, SJW asshole!  CHECK YOUR NON-SOCIAL ANXIETY-HAVING PRIVILEGE, BITCH!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 30, 2013, 11:37:31 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 30, 2013, 11:04:15 pm
You know, I'd almost pay to have a little of that...I'm always secretly terrified that I'M the one offending everyone else.

Oi, SJW asshole!  CHECK YOUR NON-SOCIAL ANXIETY-HAVING PRIVILEGE, BITCH!

I always have to check that privilege.

Literally almost all of my friends, especially close ones, have some form of social anxiety, while I have absolutely none. I'm basically an extrovert surrounded by people who should be, by all rights, terrified of everything I do.

Which is exactly why at the RZW screener, I started introducing my nervous date to as many people as possible. Her fears were alleviated by the discovery that I work with nice people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 30, 2013, 11:48:20 pm
(http://media.tumblr.com/157f663a9fe6ad646ee5724ce10e457d/tumblr_inline_mp3bjjYkGo1qz4rgp.jpg)

(http://media.tumblr.com/a2a603de4fc4c304988ad0022e5758b0/tumblr_inline_mp3bk2Nhfz1qz4rgp.jpg)

If you're going to lie about your race you better make sure your on anon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 01, 2013, 01:03:45 am
Some of these people seem like the type it'd be fun to tease or poke fun at.

Just to see what kind of angry explosion I could provoke out of them in public.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 01, 2013, 02:51:37 am
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and to invade their space, to engage them with out their express permission is to disregard their personhood.

If we don’t know you we don’t care for you. Your life is meaningless to us.

keep that in mind and don’t strut around like anyone’s supposed to be impressed with your shitty existence.

Also, why is this woman giving advice if she thinks that guys are violent & oppressive by nature? Wouldn't we just ignore it in the best case scenario?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 01, 2013, 10:58:03 am
Quote from: Lithp on July 01, 2013, 02:51:37 am
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and to invade their space, to engage them with out their express permission is to disregard their personhood.

If we don’t know you we don’t care for you. Your life is meaningless to us.

keep that in mind and don’t strut around like anyone’s supposed to be impressed with your shitty existence.

Also, why is this woman giving advice if she thinks that guys are violent & oppressive by nature? Wouldn't we just ignore it in the best case scenario?

Lithp, darling, that actually requires thinking before one talks.  As we all know, thinking is oppressive to those born without brains.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 01, 2013, 02:28:53 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on June 30, 2013, 05:26:05 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/670318e9e9d9afa4f48b0e27cbb61bfa/tumblr_mp60e4m9uL1ryeto5o1_500.png)

o_O

I saw that...

I also saw the addition to that as well as a rebuttal about someone being able to move to prevent second-hand smoke.

Because that totally works. (◡‿◡✿)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Errata on July 01, 2013, 07:21:18 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 30, 2013, 05:46:52 pm
Quote
a word of advice to all men and boys:

do NOT speak to women if they aren’t your friend, relative, coworker or some other form of relation.

if they don’t know you in any way, DO NOT SPEAK TO THEM.

they don’t want your attention your opinion or your concern.

YOU ARE ALWAYS A THREAT TO THEM.

and to invade their space, to engage them with out their express permission is to disregard their personhood.

to insult them

and never too far from assaulting them.

We are looking out for ourselves and our own goals.

If we don’t know you we don’t care for you. Your life is meaningless to us.

keep that in mind and don’t strut around like anyone’s supposed to be impressed with your shitty existence.

Well, this is going to make food service jobs a lot more interesting.


Wait... so if my life is meaningless to her by virtue of just not being her friend, then why should I give two shits what she wants? It swings both way. If you can't be held to treat me with human decency, then why should you expect better from me?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 02, 2013, 12:17:58 am
Quote from: Errata on July 01, 2013, 07:21:18 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 30, 2013, 05:46:52 pm
Quote
a word of advice to all men and boys:

do NOT speak to women if they aren’t your friend, relative, coworker or some other form of relation.

if they don’t know you in any way, DO NOT SPEAK TO THEM.

they don’t want your attention your opinion or your concern.

YOU ARE ALWAYS A THREAT TO THEM.

and to invade their space, to engage them with out their express permission is to disregard their personhood.

to insult them

and never too far from assaulting them.

We are looking out for ourselves and our own goals.

If we don’t know you we don’t care for you. Your life is meaningless to us.

keep that in mind and don’t strut around like anyone’s supposed to be impressed with your shitty existence.

Well, this is going to make food service jobs a lot more interesting.


Wait... so if my life is meaningless to her by virtue of just not being her friend, then why should I give two shits what she wants? It swings both way. If you can't be held to treat me with human decency, then why should you expect better from me?

Because check your privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 02, 2013, 12:21:49 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f6bd19789c8497f1989c37a871215a0/tumblr_mp9m5yWCVP1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Seriously?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 02, 2013, 12:28:39 am
Quote
If a homeless man asks for a dollar - give him thirty cents.

If women only get seventy cents to the dollar - men should only get the other thirty.

(http://i.imgur.com/Vc6q8.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 02, 2013, 01:51:48 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 02, 2013, 12:21:49 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f6bd19789c8497f1989c37a871215a0/tumblr_mp9m5yWCVP1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Seriously?

Uh...

I don't even know what to say to this.

(Though she [or maybe a he if that person happens to be a transvestite] does look cute in that dress)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on July 02, 2013, 02:18:57 am
^ I wouldn't be surprised if that is what a lot of Tumblr's userbase looks like.

Look at her (or "him"), all absorbed in kawaiisa, soft plush toys like teddies and kid's stuff, usually with decently large periphery demographics, even her/"his" dress looks like that of the protagonist of Magi Puella Madoka Magicka (please forgive me if I got the name wrong, even though I hang out with fans of an anime I'm reluctant to watch... thanks to being exposed to major spoilers reading and lurking their blogs. Damn it, why do anime series have to have long, pompous, hard to memorize names...).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 02, 2013, 05:43:06 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 02, 2013, 12:21:49 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f6bd19789c8497f1989c37a871215a0/tumblr_mp9m5yWCVP1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Seriously?
Daww. I wanna hug her. Like, just hug her and hug her and hug her. And, guys, please don't go immediately assuming that this person is trans. That just seems a little offensive, and even if they are, she's still a she. ~glomps~ Sorry, cuteness proximity is overloading my brain.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 02, 2013, 05:59:42 am
Well, they specifically said transvestite before doing the she/he thing. Transvestites are different from transsexuals.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 02, 2013, 06:29:01 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 02, 2013, 05:59:42 am
Well, they specifically said transvestite before doing the she/he thing. Transvestites are different from transsexuals.
Sure, but that was still one person's speculation, and it feels really wrong to speculate on that because, she clearly identifies as a woman, so we should refer to her as a woman. Without any evidence, speculation is a mean-spirited rumor. And, reading though her Tumblr, she's not transsexual or a transvestite. But now my face hurts, because I still can't stop smiling. She's by far one of the happiest and sweetest people on the internet, if not Earth, and she's friggin Scottish. Yes, the moody fucked-in-the-head goth with the Manson/Twiggy avatar has a soft spot for really cute things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 02, 2013, 01:53:43 pm
Honestly the whole picture strikes me as creepy, particlarly the eyes. Entirely without going into any speculation on the gender of the subject.

Just came across this as well.
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People into BDSM are regularly horrifically discriminated against and not even remotely protected by the law.
This is a point where you don't say this, you just give various actual examples. You'll have less snickering. Though given where I picked it up the definition of horrifical discrimination may vary from the norm.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 02, 2013, 02:59:48 pm
Quote from: Distind on July 02, 2013, 01:53:43 pm
Honestly the whole picture strikes me as creepy, particlarly the eyes. Entirely without going into any speculation on the gender of the subject.

Just came across this as well.
Quote
People into BDSM are regularly horrifically discriminated against and not even remotely protected by the law.
This is a point where you don't say this, you just give various actual examples. You'll have less snickering. Though given where I picked it up the definition of horrifical discrimination may vary from the norm.
Regarding the eyes, she uses makeup to make them look larger as well as contacts, and she is cissexual (yes, I've been reading her Tumblr after noticing the link in the picture). Also, where did you pick it up?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 02, 2013, 03:21:04 pm
https://twitter.com/TumblrTXT

Reminds me exactly why I keep some reference to the context on the mainpage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 02, 2013, 05:43:51 pm
Quote from: Distind on July 02, 2013, 03:21:04 pm
https://twitter.com/TumblrTXT

Reminds me exactly why I keep some reference to the context on the mainpage.
Thanks. Some of those are stupid, but some, I wanna hug. For example:
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Dislikes: SJW, Heterophobia, Feminists, MRA's, Homophobia, hate of any kind really.
Gender: Genderfluid, Mostly female.
Doesn't belong there at all.

Quote
Seriously, man. You're really buying into the white hate? No. One race: human. Your blood is as red as mine. Springsteen would be sad.
Also doesn't belong there, and high five to the person who said that.

Quote
what if church was called jesuscon
Oddly legit.

Quote
You can like non-con and dub-con if you want, and that doesn’t make you a rapist!
Fantasy is fantasy. If they keep it to fantasy, this person is right.

Quote
Sometimes my dream for socialism is driven primarily by the need to annoy right-wing people I know.
Fundy trolling is good.

Quote
romantic attraction =/= sensual attraction =/= sexual attraction

also:

sexual attraction =/= sexual drive
This is correct.

Quote
nothing your dictionary says is going to change the fact that [asexuality] is awesome and valid.
Who even denys asexuals exist?

So yeah, some don't belong there, others are insane, some I'm afraid would eat me, and one proclaimed he'd eat anyone, because he's a shark.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 02, 2013, 05:46:56 pm
I wasn't aware that the person actually identified as a woman.  Some guys like to crossdress and still identify as male.

And guys benefit from feminism too, so... yeah.

I generally don't go to people's tumblrs because I generally don't go to tumblr, period.  Just like I don't go to facebook or twitter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 02, 2013, 05:51:48 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 02, 2013, 05:46:56 pm
I wasn't aware that the person actually identified as a woman.  Some guys like to crossdress and still identify as male.

And guys benefit from feminism too, so... yeah.

I generally don't go to people's tumblrs because I generally don't go to tumblr, period.  Just like I don't go to facebook or twitter.
Ahh. Yeah, she's genetically and mentally female. The fashion is called Sweet Lolita, and it's a Japanese thing. She's actually got a boyfriend (I'm not going to make the obvious jokes), is kinda obsessed with Animal Crossing and gives tons of advice for other Sweet Lolita fashion enthusiasts. Like I said, soft spot for super-cute things. (http://princess-peachie.tumblr.com/) And apparently, it costs a lot of money, and yeah, people are dicks to her in public over it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 02, 2013, 05:57:11 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 02, 2013, 05:46:56 pm
I wasn't aware that the person actually identified as a woman.  Some guys like to crossdress and still identify as male.

Well, yeah. That's what makes it crossdressing rather than just wearing clothes.


Yeah, I know what you meant. For someone who hates semantic arguments as much as I do, I do use them a lot
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 02, 2013, 06:42:24 pm
Sometimes redundancy is a good thing since it clarifies things :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 02, 2013, 07:22:43 pm
Quote
fucking idiot. no, of course the bio females are PRIVILEGED. ALL OUR FEMALE PRIVILEGE.

those poor transwomen in their high heels and cheap lipstick are REALLY the ones who are being oppressed, not the little baby girls who are killed at birth because of their sex.

(http://media.tumblr.com/dcebf72e6ac2e21e2bf2be955655044d/tumblr_inline_mp31hlGv2Y1qz4rgp.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 02, 2013, 07:37:39 pm
Yes, because it's not like trans women face some of the highest risks of being beaten, raped and murdered worldwide, even in countries where sex-based infanticide is extremely rare.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 02, 2013, 08:27:07 pm
This just in: Trans women are secret agents of the patriarchy!

http://womenofthepatriarchy.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/trans-women-are-women-of-the-patriarchy/

More at eleven.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 02, 2013, 11:05:25 pm
Perfect timing. I've decided to go mano-a-mano with Cathy Brennan & Ann Tagonist about the actual science related to transsexuality:

http://anntagonist.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/the-truth-and-the-lie/#comment-328

Because "objective research" looks suspiciously like "my opinion."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 03, 2013, 12:20:35 am
From the link:
"And since there are no uterus-and-ovaries transplants, it can only replicate one of the vagina’s functions: sexual intercourse. The neovagina is nothing more than a fuckhole. It exists solely to be penetrated."

So what does that make cisgendered women who don't have fully functional uterus and ovaries? What about infertile women or women who had hysterectomies (sp?)?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 03, 2013, 12:34:08 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 03, 2013, 12:20:35 am
From the link:
"And since there are no uterus-and-ovaries transplants, it can only replicate one of the vagina’s functions: sexual intercourse. The neovagina is nothing more than a fuckhole. It exists solely to be penetrated."

So what does that make cisgendered women who don't have fully functional uterus and ovaries? What about infertile women or women who had hysterectomies (sp?)?
Again with the finding flaws in their claims! Stop that. 

It might get them thinking and maybe they'd realise that they've been asshats all this time. Such a realisation can be quite traumatic.

Besides, if/when medical science can replicate womb and ovaries for trans-women I'm pretty sure that:

a) Most trans women will want them.
b) These asshats will find different justifications for their bigotry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on July 03, 2013, 01:24:49 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 02, 2013, 07:22:43 pm
Quote
fucking idiot. no, of course the bio females are PRIVILEGED. ALL OUR FEMALE PRIVILEGE.

those poor transwomen in their high heels and cheap lipstick are REALLY the ones who are being oppressed, not the little baby girls who are killed at birth because of their sex.

It's not a fucking competition. More than one group can face discrimination. Jews AND African-Americans face discrimination. Cis-women AND trans* women face discrimination.

*et al.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 03, 2013, 07:27:33 am
Less worst than a thing:
Quote
LGBTQAI2
First 4 easy, Q not that hard, A... annoying but graspable, what is I and 2? or is it I2? For some reason my mind is attempting to put invertibrate in there, which most definitely does not belong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 03, 2013, 07:44:32 am
Quote from: Distind on July 03, 2013, 07:27:33 am
Less worst than a thing:
Quote
LGBTQAI2
First 4 easy, Q not that hard, A... annoying but graspable, what is I and 2? or is it I2? For some reason my mind is attempting to put invertibrate in there, which most definitely does not belong.
Intersexual?

And I2 might mean II. As in two I's. BECAUSE ABREVIATING II WITH I2 IS SO MUCH EASIER!

Sorry, it's just that in industrial automation I occasionally had to come in contact with the american way of using abreviations for everything. And if there ever was something where two or more of the same letter are used in a row, like IEEC for example, some US based companies would spell it as IE2C or something like that.

/Pet peeve.


Now for something more topic related:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f924f4d07f3a6c44c71bfb81da4f87d0/tumblr_mo3q69nWjf1s2i16to1_1280.png)
Note that I'm referring to the anonymous asking the question.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: anti-nonsense on July 03, 2013, 07:45:02 am
I'm guessing I is Intersex, but I dunno what "2" means either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on July 03, 2013, 08:40:08 am
I think the 2 stands for two-spirit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-Spirit). Could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 03, 2013, 07:10:31 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e33bc8b6dbe099c9e37a67c97c8a7723/tumblr_mp7vluagx91ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/mUQND.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on July 03, 2013, 07:48:15 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 30, 2013, 05:46:52 pm
Quote
a word of advice to all men and boys:

do NOT speak to women if they aren’t your friend, relative, coworker or some other form of relation.

if they don’t know you in any way, DO NOT SPEAK TO THEM.

they don’t want your attention your opinion or your concern.

YOU ARE ALWAYS A THREAT TO THEM.

and to invade their space, to engage them with out their express permission is to disregard their personhood.

to insult them

and never too far from assaulting them.

We are looking out for ourselves and our own goals.

If we don’t know you we don’t care for you. Your life is meaningless to us.

keep that in mind and don’t strut around like anyone’s supposed to be impressed with your shitty existence.

Well, this is going to make food service jobs a lot more interesting.
That's going to make meeting people interesting. Especially once you move from one country to another.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ThunderWulf on July 03, 2013, 11:16:26 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on July 03, 2013, 07:48:15 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 30, 2013, 05:46:52 pm
Quote
a word of advice to all men and boys:

do NOT speak to women if they aren’t your friend, relative, coworker or some other form of relation.

if they don’t know you in any way, DO NOT SPEAK TO THEM.

they don’t want your attention your opinion or your concern.

YOU ARE ALWAYS A THREAT TO THEM.

and to invade their space, to engage them with out their express permission is to disregard their personhood.

to insult them

and never too far from assaulting them.

We are looking out for ourselves and our own goals.

If we don’t know you we don’t care for you. Your life is meaningless to us.

keep that in mind and don’t strut around like anyone’s supposed to be impressed with your shitty existence.

Well, this is going to make food service jobs a lot more interesting.
That's going to make meeting people interesting. Especially once you move from one country to another.
Or you know, just getting through everyday situations like someone holding the door open for you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on July 04, 2013, 10:11:17 am
Quote from: ThunderWulf on July 03, 2013, 11:16:26 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on July 03, 2013, 07:48:15 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 30, 2013, 05:46:52 pm
Quote
a word of advice to all men and boys:

do NOT speak to women if they aren’t your friend, relative, coworker or some other form of relation.

if they don’t know you in any way, DO NOT SPEAK TO THEM.

they don’t want your attention your opinion or your concern.

YOU ARE ALWAYS A THREAT TO THEM.

and to invade their space, to engage them with out their express permission is to disregard their personhood.

to insult them

and never too far from assaulting them.

We are looking out for ourselves and our own goals.

If we don’t know you we don’t care for you. Your life is meaningless to us.

keep that in mind and don’t strut around like anyone’s supposed to be impressed with your shitty existence.

Well, this is going to make food service jobs a lot more interesting.
That's going to make meeting people interesting. Especially once you move from one country to another.
Or you know, just getting through everyday situations like someone holding the door open for you.
She would have a really bad time in Canada with our whole 'friendly and polite culture' schtick:

Man holds door open, smiles and acknowledges her existence, possibly even says good morning if she gets close enough.
She pops a gasket.
Man immediately apologizes.
She goes even farther over the edge.
Man apologizes even more.
She really looses it.
Male bystander become concerned for her well being and approaches asking if there is anything he can do to help.
She has a meltdown.
Both men begin to apologize profusely and try to calm her. Several more people, among them numerous males, stop to try and help out...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on July 04, 2013, 07:31:22 pm
I distinctly remember women in Canada.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 04, 2013, 08:02:52 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 04, 2013, 10:11:17 am
Quote from: ThunderWulf on July 03, 2013, 11:16:26 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on July 03, 2013, 07:48:15 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 30, 2013, 05:46:52 pm
Quote
a word of advice to all men and boys:

do NOT speak to women if they aren’t your friend, relative, coworker or some other form of relation.

if they don’t know you in any way, DO NOT SPEAK TO THEM.

they don’t want your attention your opinion or your concern.

YOU ARE ALWAYS A THREAT TO THEM.

and to invade their space, to engage them with out their express permission is to disregard their personhood.

to insult them

and never too far from assaulting them.

We are looking out for ourselves and our own goals.

If we don’t know you we don’t care for you. Your life is meaningless to us.

keep that in mind and don’t strut around like anyone’s supposed to be impressed with your shitty existence.

Well, this is going to make food service jobs a lot more interesting.
That's going to make meeting people interesting. Especially once you move from one country to another.
Or you know, just getting through everyday situations like someone holding the door open for you.
She would have a really bad time in Canada with our whole 'friendly and polite culture' schtick:

Man holds door open, smiles and acknowledges her existence, possibly even says good morning if she gets close enough.
She pops a gasket.
Man immediately apologizes.
She goes even farther over the edge.
Man apologizes even more.
She really looses it.
Male bystander become concerned for her well being and approaches asking if there is anything he can do to help.
She has a meltdown.
Both men begin to apologize profusely and try to calm her. Several more people, among them numerous males, stop to try and help out...

Reminds me of this: http://gawker.com/5932846/american-becomes-laughingstock-of-canada-after-letter-to-editor-lamenting-lack-of-handgun-during-mild-confrontation
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ThunderWulf on July 04, 2013, 08:32:57 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 04, 2013, 08:02:52 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 04, 2013, 10:11:17 am
Quote from: ThunderWulf on July 03, 2013, 11:16:26 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on July 03, 2013, 07:48:15 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 30, 2013, 05:46:52 pm
Quote
a word of advice to all men and boys:

do NOT speak to women if they aren’t your friend, relative, coworker or some other form of relation.

if they don’t know you in any way, DO NOT SPEAK TO THEM.

they don’t want your attention your opinion or your concern.

YOU ARE ALWAYS A THREAT TO THEM.

and to invade their space, to engage them with out their express permission is to disregard their personhood.

to insult them

and never too far from assaulting them.

We are looking out for ourselves and our own goals.

If we don’t know you we don’t care for you. Your life is meaningless to us.

keep that in mind and don’t strut around like anyone’s supposed to be impressed with your shitty existence.

Well, this is going to make food service jobs a lot more interesting.
That's going to make meeting people interesting. Especially once you move from one country to another.
Or you know, just getting through everyday situations like someone holding the door open for you.
She would have a really bad time in Canada with our whole 'friendly and polite culture' schtick:

Man holds door open, smiles and acknowledges her existence, possibly even says good morning if she gets close enough.
She pops a gasket.
Man immediately apologizes.
She goes even farther over the edge.
Man apologizes even more.
She really looses it.
Male bystander become concerned for her well being and approaches asking if there is anything he can do to help.
She has a meltdown.
Both men begin to apologize profusely and try to calm her. Several more people, among them numerous males, stop to try and help out...

Reminds me of this: http://gawker.com/5932846/american-becomes-laughingstock-of-canada-after-letter-to-editor-lamenting-lack-of-handgun-during-mild-confrontation

Hahaha, oh WOW.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on July 04, 2013, 08:45:17 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on July 04, 2013, 07:31:22 pm
I distinctly remember women in Canada.
Are you sure? The only way you can tell for ten months of the year is by the colour of the parka.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 05, 2013, 01:50:52 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 04, 2013, 08:02:52 pm
Reminds me of this: http://gawker.com/5932846/american-becomes-laughingstock-of-canada-after-letter-to-editor-lamenting-lack-of-handgun-during-mild-confrontation

Hey, I remember this one!

I would like to use this as example 1 of why armed society is not necessarily a polite society.

And "What concerned me is two young men just approached us and stopped us, stopping us by being in our path, and [began] talking to us without even being welcome to talk to us." So are people in USA not allowed to talk to other people without written permission or something? That does actually sound like what that Jebusfire linked...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 05, 2013, 02:40:13 am
I remember one time, several years ago, my friend and I came back to her car to discover that she had a flat tire. Neither of us knew how to change it, so we sat there for around ten minutes trying to figure it out until my friend let out a frustrated cry of "FUCK!" Almost immediately, this random dude appeared and offered to change the tire for us. He also explained how to do it, so my friend wouldn't get stuck like that in the future. This wasn't some rare moment of kindess, either -- people in this city are generally pretty good about helping out when someone is in need.

I really wonder how paranoia-mongers like Michigan dude or "Don't talk to women!" chick would respond to something like that. See it as an outlier? Freak about it being inappropriate, regardless of intention? Assume the guy was sexist for wanting to help a woman? Shoot the good Samaritan?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 05, 2013, 03:00:07 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 05, 2013, 02:40:13 am
I remember one time, several years ago, my friend and I came back to her car to discover that she had a flat tire. Neither of us knew how to change it, so we sat there for around ten minutes trying to figure it out until my friend let out a frustrated cry of "FUCK!" Almost immediately, this random dude appeared and offered to change the tire for us. He also explained how to do it, so my friend wouldn't get stuck like that in the future. This wasn't some rare moment of kindess, either -- people in this city are generally pretty good about helping out when someone is in need.

I really wonder how paranoia-mongers like Michigan dude or "Don't talk to women!" chick would respond to something like that. See it as an outlier? Freak about it being inappropriate, regardless of intention? Assume the guy was sexist for wanting to help a woman? Shoot the good Samaritan?
All of the above. See him as an oddity, still feel it's sexist and therefore inappropriate, and then shoot them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on July 05, 2013, 03:12:44 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 04, 2013, 08:45:17 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on July 04, 2013, 07:31:22 pm
I distinctly remember women in Canada.
Are you sure? The only way you can tell for ten months of the year is by the colour of the parka.

Never has greater slander been laid at Canadian women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 05, 2013, 03:20:13 am
Quote from: Lt. Fred on July 05, 2013, 03:12:44 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 04, 2013, 08:45:17 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on July 04, 2013, 07:31:22 pm
I distinctly remember women in Canada.
Are you sure? The only way you can tell for ten months of the year is by the colour of the parka.

Never has greater slander been laid at Canadian women.
[lexluthor]WRONG![/lexluthor] Someone's likely mistaken them for Americans before. That's the greatest slander any Canadian can face.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ThunderWulf on July 05, 2013, 10:25:52 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 05, 2013, 02:40:13 am
I remember one time, several years ago, my friend and I came back to her car to discover that she had a flat tire. Neither of us knew how to change it, so we sat there for around ten minutes trying to figure it out until my friend let out a frustrated cry of "FUCK!" Almost immediately, this random dude appeared and offered to change the tire for us. He also explained how to do it, so my friend wouldn't get stuck like that in the future. This wasn't some rare moment of kindess, either -- people in this city are generally pretty good about helping out when someone is in need.

I really wonder how paranoia-mongers like Michigan dude or "Don't talk to women!" chick would respond to something like that. See it as an outlier? Freak about it being inappropriate, regardless of intention? Assume the guy was sexist for wanting to help a woman? Shoot the good Samaritan?

That's just it.  HOW do these people function in everyday situations when they freak out and think everyone is out to get them?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 05, 2013, 10:39:05 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 03, 2013, 07:10:31 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e33bc8b6dbe099c9e37a67c97c8a7723/tumblr_mp7vluagx91ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/mUQND.gif)

Oh dear goddess. There are just some things you have to ignore/let slide. This person doesn't know how.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 05, 2013, 08:53:43 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 05, 2013, 02:40:13 am
I remember one time, several years ago, my friend and I came back to her car to discover that she had a flat tire. Neither of us knew how to change it, so we sat there for around ten minutes trying to figure it out until my friend let out a frustrated cry of "FUCK!" Almost immediately, this random dude appeared and offered to change the tire for us. He also explained how to do it, so my friend wouldn't get stuck like that in the future. This wasn't some rare moment of kindess, either -- people in this city are generally pretty good about helping out when someone is in need.

I really wonder how paranoia-mongers like Michigan dude or "Don't talk to women!" chick would respond to something like that. See it as an outlier? Freak about it being inappropriate, regardless of intention? Assume the guy was sexist for wanting to help a woman? Shoot the good Samaritan?

Likely the last one. To someone who doesn't even want people to talk to them out of terror, a person approaching out of nowhere (especially alone) with an offer of help would likely be immediately viewed as a rapist and assaulted.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on July 05, 2013, 08:54:16 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on July 05, 2013, 03:12:44 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 04, 2013, 08:45:17 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on July 04, 2013, 07:31:22 pm
I distinctly remember women in Canada.
Are you sure? The only way you can tell for ten months of the year is by the colour of the parka.

Never has greater slander been laid at Canadian women.
I know the legends tell of the great Canadian women who's charm, beauty, and intellect greatly surpass those of all other women in the world but it's just a legend so all you men (and women) shouldn't bother coming here to try and one to woo and take home with you.  <_<

Besides, they'll melt if taken from their natural habitat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on July 05, 2013, 09:32:47 pm
Sorry Mojo, but the one thing I remember best about a four day stay in Toronto long ago was my neck ached from swiveling to look back at all the gorgeous women I passed on the street.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 05, 2013, 10:05:50 pm
Fucking Montreal, man. Every woman there looks like a supermodel. I felt so inadequate the last time I was a out there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 05, 2013, 10:13:09 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 05, 2013, 10:05:50 pm
Fucking Montreal, man. Every woman there looks like a supermodel. I felt so inadequate the last time I was a out there.

Has the forum ever actually seen what you look like?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 05, 2013, 10:28:20 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 05, 2013, 10:13:09 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 05, 2013, 10:05:50 pm
Fucking Montreal, man. Every woman there looks like a supermodel. I felt so inadequate the last time I was a out there.

Has the forum ever actually seen what you look like?

No, but this is a fairly accurate drawing of me:

(http://oi44.tinypic.com/2jcassj.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on July 05, 2013, 10:29:34 pm
HAWT!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 05, 2013, 10:31:22 pm
I'd do her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 05, 2013, 11:58:47 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/eca5078fc94cafb4803b5863255f4d57/tumblr_mp9w39to2z1riww6vo1_500.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/6dd6f258dfeeebde4a1b9c93ede838d4/tumblr_mpfvwxAaiQ1r8gcffo1_500.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 06, 2013, 12:28:01 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 05, 2013, 11:58:47 pm
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/6dd6f258dfeeebde4a1b9c93ede838d4/tumblr_mpfvwxAaiQ1r8gcffo1_500.png)
While I find fictionkin and otherkin and therans fine, ableism is bullshit. Not because people don't discriminate against the disabled. That's real. No, because it's the same thing as calling them "differently abled". Originally, I parodied the Dead Parrot sketch here, but it was going to far. The problem is, it's discrimination based on disability. Without falling back into that Dead Parrot parody, they are disabled. Not differently abled, not specially abled, none of that. They do not have super powers. Trying to remove the phrase "disabled" is like trying to get rid of "African-American" and replace it with "differently colored". It's stupid. Disabled is not an insult, but some think it is because it dares to highlight the fact that they cannot do the same things as non-disabled individuals. However, if you can do everything we can, then you don't need protected status. Or in other words, call it discrimination by disability, or disableism, but ableism sounds like you're discriminating against people for their abilities. Or in other words, you sound like an X-Men villain. Which is stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 06, 2013, 12:41:16 am
...What?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 06, 2013, 12:47:49 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 06, 2013, 12:41:16 am
...What?
Sorry, I've had enough of over-reactions to anything that can be slightly seen as "ableist" and have a problem with the movement in general. I've seen people ganged up on by entire communities for using the terms "idiotic", "lame", "moron" and more for being "ableist". Additionally, if racism is discriminating over race, and sexism is over sex, then ableism should be discrimination by ability. But it's not. It's douchebags discriminating against the disabled. Therefore, it should be disableism. Let alone the idiots who are against the term "disabled" because it's not "empowering" and prefer "differently abled", which sounds like mutants in X-Men, not people who have lost the ability to do certain things. Good cause, stupid people ruining it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 06, 2013, 01:15:24 am
I work as a homecare aide. The girl I'm currently aiding for absolute hates the term "differently abled" because it's so condescending.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on July 06, 2013, 01:20:16 am
Physically challenged....is that considered offensive, now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 06, 2013, 01:35:02 am
"Disabled" seems to be the most common term.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 06, 2013, 01:42:34 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 06, 2013, 01:15:24 am
I work as a homecare aide. The girl I'm currently aiding for absolute hates the term "differently abled" because it's so condescending.
Yeah, there are some idiots who actually support it. I hate discrimination against the disabled, but the ableism movement is perhaps the worst way to deal with it. It's like electing a clearly not-all-there cowboy wanna-be again after he cheated in the last election.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on July 06, 2013, 01:47:03 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 06, 2013, 01:35:02 am
"Disabled" seems to be the most common term.

Yup, that's about it. Disabled simply indicates that the individual has some sort of condition that makes it harder for them to operate according to normal rules. It's also useful because it applies to both physical and mental disabilities. (People always are surprised when I say I'm disabled. Physically, I'm fine, but mentally, I've got Asperger's Syndrome AND Anxiety Disorder.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 06, 2013, 02:00:00 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on July 06, 2013, 01:47:03 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 06, 2013, 01:35:02 am
"Disabled" seems to be the most common term.

Yup, that's about it. Disabled simply indicates that the individual has some sort of condition that makes it harder for them to operate according to normal rules. It's also useful because it applies to both physical and mental disabilities. (People always are surprised when I say I'm disabled. Physically, I'm fine, but mentally, I've got Asperger's Syndrome AND Anxiety Disorder.)
Yeah, people normally forget about mental disabilities.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on July 06, 2013, 08:09:44 am
It's just the natural progress of the euphemism treadmill. "Retard" used to be a polite description.

Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 05, 2013, 08:54:16 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on July 05, 2013, 03:12:44 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 04, 2013, 08:45:17 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on July 04, 2013, 07:31:22 pm
I distinctly remember women in Canada.
Are you sure? The only way you can tell for ten months of the year is by the colour of the parka.

Never has greater slander been laid at Canadian women.
I know the legends tell of the great Canadian women who's charm, beauty, and intellect greatly surpass those of all other women in the world but it's just a legend so all you men (and women) shouldn't bother coming here to try and one to woo and take home with you.  <_<

Besides, they'll melt if taken from their natural habitat.

Fairly sure I met her a couple of times, yeah.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 06, 2013, 08:32:27 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1b27240d9de953beb6151b2ce4c0ec89/tumblr_mph3ecE9K51ryeto5o1_500.png)

I-- what?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 06, 2013, 08:36:05 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 06, 2013, 08:32:27 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1b27240d9de953beb6151b2ce4c0ec89/tumblr_mph3ecE9K51ryeto5o1_500.png)

I-- what?
She's saying she went to a "Slutty Halloween Party" and got dissed for not being slutty enough, but she wore it because she feels she's fat and was afraid of getting dissed if she went in something more slutty. I have a feeling this girl might actually be anorexic, not fat. I don't quite see the male privilege or slut shaming, since it was really shaming her for not being slutty and, as far as I know, it's woman-on-woman.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 06, 2013, 08:38:38 pm
So, some chick posted this:

(http://media.tumblr.com/10bd94cf05e7e3c4dd0b4b92d57c89c4/tumblr_inline_mpi2stlkaq1qz4rgp.png)

And in response, a bunch of wankers sent her these messages:

(http://media.tumblr.com/57812aebe3fb738d16f6c81f19aec918/tumblr_inline_mpi2trBVOn1qz4rgp.png)

Why? Because apparently, she's fetishizing Japan by wanting to visit it or something.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 06, 2013, 10:44:11 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 06, 2013, 08:36:05 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 06, 2013, 08:32:27 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1b27240d9de953beb6151b2ce4c0ec89/tumblr_mph3ecE9K51ryeto5o1_500.png)

I-- what?
She's saying she went to a "Slutty Halloween Party" and got dissed for not being slutty enough, but she wore it because she feels she's fat and was afraid of getting dissed if she went in something more slutty. I have a feeling this girl might actually be anorexic, not fat. I don't quite see the male privilege or slut shaming, since it was really shaming her for not being slutty and, as far as I know, it's woman-on-woman.

I know what she's saying and I'm saying it makes no sense to go to a party you know you won't like going to. And the "I-- what" is in general the fact that they're saying it's thin privilege to dress up in such a costume and not get mocked. Which is ridiculous.

Everything you said is the whole point I posted it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 06, 2013, 10:54:46 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 06, 2013, 10:44:11 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 06, 2013, 08:36:05 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 06, 2013, 08:32:27 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1b27240d9de953beb6151b2ce4c0ec89/tumblr_mph3ecE9K51ryeto5o1_500.png)

I-- what?
She's saying she went to a "Slutty Halloween Party" and got dissed for not being slutty enough, but she wore it because she feels she's fat and was afraid of getting dissed if she went in something more slutty. I have a feeling this girl might actually be anorexic, not fat. I don't quite see the male privilege or slut shaming, since it was really shaming her for not being slutty and, as far as I know, it's woman-on-woman.

I know what she's saying and I'm saying it makes no sense to go to a party you know you won't like going to. And the "I-- what" is in general the fact that they're saying it's thin privilege to dress up in such a costume and not get mocked. Which is ridiculous.

Everything you said is the whole point I posted it.
Oh, okay. I think I can safely say my ability to interpret meaning and emotion in text is rather bad. And, yeah, it is rather stupid. The only thing I can think of to make it make sense is a friend dragging her there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 06, 2013, 11:07:38 pm
Yeah. If she knew the type of party logically she shouldn't have gone. Unless she wanted to prove some kind of point. Which is doubtful.

None of it is thin privilege anyhow. I'm sure a thin person in a lion costume would get mocked just as much.

Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 06, 2013, 08:38:38 pm
So, some chick posted this:

(http://media.tumblr.com/10bd94cf05e7e3c4dd0b4b92d57c89c4/tumblr_inline_mpi2stlkaq1qz4rgp.png)

And in response, a bunch of wankers sent her these messages:

(http://media.tumblr.com/57812aebe3fb738d16f6c81f19aec918/tumblr_inline_mpi2trBVOn1qz4rgp.png)

Why? Because apparently, she's fetishizing Japan by wanting to visit it or something.

I can't wait until someone gets onto me for reblogging or posting something innocuous like that. It'll be fun.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 06, 2013, 11:27:31 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 06, 2013, 11:07:38 pm
I can't wait until someone gets onto me for reblogging or posting something innocuous like that. It'll be fun.
Just say you like wolves or something like that. If you're lucky, you'll get a bunch of hysterical knob-ends screaming at you for "appropriating otherkin/therian/whatever culture" or some shit. It may take a few tries, admittedly, but it'd be so worth it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 06, 2013, 11:33:11 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 06, 2013, 11:27:31 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 06, 2013, 11:07:38 pm
I can't wait until someone gets onto me for reblogging or posting something innocuous like that. It'll be fun.
Just say you like wolves or something like that. If you're lucky, you'll get a bunch of hysterical knob-ends screaming at you for "appropriating otherkin/therian/whatever culture" or some shit. It may take a few tries, admittedly, but it'd be so worth it.
Even easier, just post a drawing of a humanoid wolf.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 06, 2013, 11:39:17 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 06, 2013, 11:33:11 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 06, 2013, 11:27:31 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 06, 2013, 11:07:38 pm
I can't wait until someone gets onto me for reblogging or posting something innocuous like that. It'll be fun.
Just say you like wolves or something like that. If you're lucky, you'll get a bunch of hysterical knob-ends screaming at you for "appropriating otherkin/therian/whatever culture" or some shit. It may take a few tries, admittedly, but it'd be so worth it.
Even easier, just post a drawing of a humanoid wolf.

I already reblog/post wolves with the tag 'my spirit animal' and have done so for a solid year, still nothing.

If they're gonna yell at me for appropriating, it would be for that, not therian/furry/otherkin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 07, 2013, 01:53:35 am
Quote
Walking around campus today and this guy was obviously staring at my tits. I walked up to him and spit in his fucking ugly ass face and then just walked off while he cursed and whined about his precious male “personal space."

Oh and you can be sure he spewed a few slurs at me, that’s all men fucking do it seems.

Anyway, it felt amazing to finally just do something I’ve been wanting to do ever since I realized men are disgusting pervs.


(http://media.tumblr.com/2c559ebf191d53e795a97d8f8565d99e/tumblr_inline_mpjxktJ5IO1qz4rgp.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 07, 2013, 01:55:55 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 07, 2013, 01:53:35 am
Quote
Walking around campus today and this guy was obviously staring at my tits. I walked up to him and spit in his fucking ugly ass face and then just walked off while he cursed and whined about his precious male “personal space."

Oh and you can be sure he spewed a few slurs at me, that’s all men fucking do it seems.

Anyway, it felt amazing to finally just do something I’ve been wanting to do ever since I realized men are disgusting pervs.


(http://media.tumblr.com/2c559ebf191d53e795a97d8f8565d99e/tumblr_inline_mpjxktJ5IO1qz4rgp.jpg)

You know in some states spitting at/on someone is considered assault.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 07, 2013, 02:04:49 am
I found the queer fetishizing tag in tumblr. Its awesome, just tons of weirdos screaming incoherently about shipping in fandoms.

I understand the concept and how its a little ugly. But holy hell its fucking shipping. If youre gonna bitch about queer fetishisation direct it to somewhere with less crazy and has an actual iota of importance.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 02:09:04 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 07, 2013, 02:04:49 am
I found the queer fetishizing tag in tumblr. Its awesome, just tons of weirdos screaming incoherently about shipping in fandoms.

I understand the concept and how its a little ugly. But holy hell its fucking shipping. If youre gonna bitch about queer fetishisation direct it to somewhere with...less...crazy
And, side note, why bitch about it? If people are fetishising it, it means they accept it. Be glad you have supporters. And, what about the gays and bisexuals that ship gay or bisexual ships? Are they fetishising themselves? Does that mean they can use a mirror as a masturbation aid?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 07, 2013, 02:12:09 am
Heres a good example

Quote
This is rampant in the Sherlock fandom (ew I can’t believe I actually typed that out), where teenage cishet white girls take avid part in the queer fetishization of two (racist and misogynistic) male characters and use them as the fodder of their sexual fantasies. If you equate an entire community, sexuality and gender identity, a person with feelings and thoughts, and just make it all about what gets you off, you are a QUEER FETISHIST. You are erasing the importance, identity, and humanity of a queer person and community for the sake of your sex drive. If you consider the relationship of two fictional characters that you ship together more important than the abuse, assault, rape, oppression, and queerphobia that the queer community experiences, you are terrible fucking person. That is queerphobic. I hate you.

I can see their point, but it dies in the WHARGARBL and the concept that fanfiction and shipping actually matter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 02:16:51 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 07, 2013, 02:12:09 am
Heres a good example

Quote
This is rampant in the Sherlock fandom (ew I can’t believe I actually typed that out), where teenage cishet white girls take avid part in the queer fetishization of two (racist and misogynistic) male characters and use them as the fodder of their sexual fantasies. If you equate an entire community, sexuality and gender identity, a person with feelings and thoughts, and just make it all about what gets you off, you are a QUEER FETISHIST. You are erasing the importance, identity, and humanity of a queer person and community for the sake of your sex drive. If you consider the relationship of two fictional characters that you ship together more important than the abuse, assault, rape, oppression, and queerphobia that the queer community experiences, you are terrible fucking person. That is queerphobic. I hate you.

I can see their point, but it dies because they think fanfiction actually matters
Their point dies at "Sherlock fandom". The show intentionally teases John/Sherlock so much that it's practically canon. Hell, Moffat said they're a romantic, but non-sexual, couple in one of the interviews. They're fucking canon, you idiot (not you, Hofstadter's Tortoise, the whiner person you quoted). And, they don't consider it "more important", nor are they just doing it to get off. I've seen plenty of shipping fics. Many are romance stories. Hell, the ones I write are romance stories (I actually like romance fanfic more than smut, by the way). But, there's no way it's homophobic. You can't love gay people and be a homophobe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 07, 2013, 02:20:53 am
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

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To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 02:34:53 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 07, 2013, 02:20:53 am
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

Quote
To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
Now, that one is much more sane. While I don't agree with "the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss" as fetishization, the rest is true, and that kind of stuff is still bad. I still think Willow/Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer was the best written gay couple in television, and that Glee should be burnt because it's just insulting to gays. This one gets to the point of things, and isn't written by a total idiot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 07, 2013, 03:04:05 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 02:34:53 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 07, 2013, 02:20:53 am
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

Quote
To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
Now, that one is much more sane. While I don't agree with "the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss" as fetishization, the rest is true, and that kind of stuff is still bad. I still think Willow/Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer was the best written gay couple in television, and that Glee should be burnt because it's just insulting to gays. This one gets to the point of things, and isn't written by a total idiot.


I think I can agree with everything except the "straight people go into gay bar for dance and drinks but don't want to get hit on" part. I mean straight people go to straigth bars for dance and drink as well and not all of them want to be hit on. And even if they are looking for "action" it does not mean that they would want to return the advances of just anyone.

In fact people regardless of their sexual orientation or location have no obligation to return the advances of anyone who wants to hit on them. People still have the right to decide who they want to get intimate with. If a lesbian woman is in a bar just to have drinks with her friends and a random drunken guy tries to get in her pants... Well, you wouldn't be amazed if she doesn't respond well to that.

Still, I agree with most of that post. I am particulalry still amazed that some of the same people who (openly) drool over lesbian porn suddenly claim that same sex marriage is so utterly immoral and deprived that it cannot be allowed...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 03:13:35 am
Quote from: askold on July 07, 2013, 03:04:05 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 02:34:53 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 07, 2013, 02:20:53 am
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

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To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
Now, that one is much more sane. While I don't agree with "the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss" as fetishization, the rest is true, and that kind of stuff is still bad. I still think Willow/Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer was the best written gay couple in television, and that Glee should be burnt because it's just insulting to gays. This one gets to the point of things, and isn't written by a total idiot.


I think I can agree with everything except the "straight people go into gay bar for dance and drinks but don't want to get hit on" part. I mean straight people go to straigth bars for dance and drink as well and not all of them want to be hit on. And even if they are looking for "action" it does not mean that they would want to return the advances of just anyone.

In fact people regardless of their sexual orientation or location have no obligation to return the advances of anyone who wants to hit on them. People still have the right to decide who they want to get intimate with. If a lesbian woman is in a bar just to have drinks with her friends and a random drunken guy tries to get in her pants... Well, you wouldn't be amazed if she doesn't respond well to that.

Still, I agree with most of that post. I am particulalry still amazed that some of the same people who (openly) drool over lesbian porn suddenly claim that same sex marriage is so utterly immoral and deprived that it cannot be allowed...
True, but those kind of situations are not what they're speaking of. They are speaking of straight people who do not want any gay people to hit on them in a gay bar.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 07, 2013, 03:47:04 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 03:13:35 am
Quote from: askold on July 07, 2013, 03:04:05 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 02:34:53 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 07, 2013, 02:20:53 am
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

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To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
Now, that one is much more sane. While I don't agree with "the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss" as fetishization, the rest is true, and that kind of stuff is still bad. I still think Willow/Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer was the best written gay couple in television, and that Glee should be burnt because it's just insulting to gays. This one gets to the point of things, and isn't written by a total idiot.


I think I can agree with everything except the "straight people go into gay bar for dance and drinks but don't want to get hit on" part. I mean straight people go to straigth bars for dance and drink as well and not all of them want to be hit on. And even if they are looking for "action" it does not mean that they would want to return the advances of just anyone.

In fact people regardless of their sexual orientation or location have no obligation to return the advances of anyone who wants to hit on them. People still have the right to decide who they want to get intimate with. If a lesbian woman is in a bar just to have drinks with her friends and a random drunken guy tries to get in her pants... Well, you wouldn't be amazed if she doesn't respond well to that.

Still, I agree with most of that post. I am particulalry still amazed that some of the same people who (openly) drool over lesbian porn suddenly claim that same sex marriage is so utterly immoral and deprived that it cannot be allowed...
True, but those kind of situations are not what they're speaking of. They are speaking of straight people who do not want any gay people to hit on them in a gay bar.
And that is different because?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 07, 2013, 03:49:49 am
Because GAYZ
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 03:50:41 am
Quote from: askold on July 07, 2013, 03:47:04 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 03:13:35 am
Quote from: askold on July 07, 2013, 03:04:05 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 02:34:53 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 07, 2013, 02:20:53 am
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

Quote
To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
Now, that one is much more sane. While I don't agree with "the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss" as fetishization, the rest is true, and that kind of stuff is still bad. I still think Willow/Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer was the best written gay couple in television, and that Glee should be burnt because it's just insulting to gays. This one gets to the point of things, and isn't written by a total idiot.


I think I can agree with everything except the "straight people go into gay bar for dance and drinks but don't want to get hit on" part. I mean straight people go to straigth bars for dance and drink as well and not all of them want to be hit on. And even if they are looking for "action" it does not mean that they would want to return the advances of just anyone.

In fact people regardless of their sexual orientation or location have no obligation to return the advances of anyone who wants to hit on them. People still have the right to decide who they want to get intimate with. If a lesbian woman is in a bar just to have drinks with her friends and a random drunken guy tries to get in her pants... Well, you wouldn't be amazed if she doesn't respond well to that.

Still, I agree with most of that post. I am particulalry still amazed that some of the same people who (openly) drool over lesbian porn suddenly claim that same sex marriage is so utterly immoral and deprived that it cannot be allowed...
True, but those kind of situations are not what they're speaking of. They are speaking of straight people who do not want any gay people to hit on them in a gay bar.
And that is different because?
It's one thing to only want to be hit on people you're into. It's another to go to a gay bar and not want to be hit on by gay people. Gay bars exist for gay people. You know what you call a gay bar where there's tons of heterosexual flirting? A bar. If you don't want to get hit on by any gay people, do not go to a gay bar.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on July 07, 2013, 09:04:29 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 03:50:41 am
Quote from: askold on July 07, 2013, 03:47:04 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 03:13:35 am
Quote from: askold on July 07, 2013, 03:04:05 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 02:34:53 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 07, 2013, 02:20:53 am
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

Quote
To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
Now, that one is much more sane. While I don't agree with "the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss" as fetishization, the rest is true, and that kind of stuff is still bad. I still think Willow/Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer was the best written gay couple in television, and that Glee should be burnt because it's just insulting to gays. This one gets to the point of things, and isn't written by a total idiot.


I think I can agree with everything except the "straight people go into gay bar for dance and drinks but don't want to get hit on" part. I mean straight people go to straigth bars for dance and drink as well and not all of them want to be hit on. And even if they are looking for "action" it does not mean that they would want to return the advances of just anyone.

In fact people regardless of their sexual orientation or location have no obligation to return the advances of anyone who wants to hit on them. People still have the right to decide who they want to get intimate with. If a lesbian woman is in a bar just to have drinks with her friends and a random drunken guy tries to get in her pants... Well, you wouldn't be amazed if she doesn't respond well to that.

Still, I agree with most of that post. I am particulalry still amazed that some of the same people who (openly) drool over lesbian porn suddenly claim that same sex marriage is so utterly immoral and deprived that it cannot be allowed...
True, but those kind of situations are not what they're speaking of. They are speaking of straight people who do not want any gay people to hit on them in a gay bar.
And that is different because?
It's one thing to only want to be hit on people you're into. It's another to go to a gay bar and not want to be hit on by gay people. Gay bars exist for gay people. You know what you call a gay bar where there's tons of heterosexual flirting? A bar. If you don't want to get hit on by any gay people, do not go to a gay bar.
I think what he was trying to say was "Sometimes you go to a (not gay) bar without wanting to be hit on (by heterosexual people), and sometimes you go to a gay bar without wanting to be hit on (by gay people). You can go to a bar to drink and dance and not flirt, and the fact that it's a gay bar or not isn't the determining factor in that."

Which, as a bi guy, is something I can get behind. Sometimes you go out to score, and sometimes you go out to drink and do crazy stuff with your friends and don't want to be bothered by stranger. The fact that you're in a gay bar or not doesn't alway have to factor into that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 09:13:52 am
Quote from: LeTipex on July 07, 2013, 09:04:29 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 03:50:41 am
Quote from: askold on July 07, 2013, 03:47:04 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 03:13:35 am
Quote from: askold on July 07, 2013, 03:04:05 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 02:34:53 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 07, 2013, 02:20:53 am
Heres a good post in the huge trashpile of that tag

Quote
To me queer fetishization has always been the tokenism we see in the vast majority of commercial media narratives: the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss. To me, queer fetishization is the moment where a person talks about how hot same-sex porn is, but then don’t want their gay neighbor to be able to get married. To me, queer fetishization is the gaggle of straight people that come to the gay bar to drink and dance, but are petrified of being hit on by any queer people that might just happen to be there.

I’m not offended by straight people writing queer characters or narratives in which a romance between two queer characters is what drives the story. I think many mistakes can be made in characterization of both individuals and culture and I think privilege can preclude writers from fully grasping certain situations. But, in my experience, more often than not, amazing narratives come from amazing writers who care and pay attention to detail, whatever their sexual identity is, wherever they come from.

See, this is a good argument and actually touches on the big picture, not stupid little fanfictions
Now, that one is much more sane. While I don't agree with "the Sassy Gay Friend, the sexless B plot, the punchline, the committed couple that get to hug on screen but don’t get to kiss" as fetishization, the rest is true, and that kind of stuff is still bad. I still think Willow/Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer was the best written gay couple in television, and that Glee should be burnt because it's just insulting to gays. This one gets to the point of things, and isn't written by a total idiot.


I think I can agree with everything except the "straight people go into gay bar for dance and drinks but don't want to get hit on" part. I mean straight people go to straigth bars for dance and drink as well and not all of them want to be hit on. And even if they are looking for "action" it does not mean that they would want to return the advances of just anyone.

In fact people regardless of their sexual orientation or location have no obligation to return the advances of anyone who wants to hit on them. People still have the right to decide who they want to get intimate with. If a lesbian woman is in a bar just to have drinks with her friends and a random drunken guy tries to get in her pants... Well, you wouldn't be amazed if she doesn't respond well to that.

Still, I agree with most of that post. I am particulalry still amazed that some of the same people who (openly) drool over lesbian porn suddenly claim that same sex marriage is so utterly immoral and deprived that it cannot be allowed...
True, but those kind of situations are not what they're speaking of. They are speaking of straight people who do not want any gay people to hit on them in a gay bar.
And that is different because?
It's one thing to only want to be hit on people you're into. It's another to go to a gay bar and not want to be hit on by gay people. Gay bars exist for gay people. You know what you call a gay bar where there's tons of heterosexual flirting? A bar. If you don't want to get hit on by any gay people, do not go to a gay bar.
I think what he was trying to say was "Sometimes you go to a (not gay) bar without wanting to be hit on (by heterosexual people), and sometimes you go to a gay bar without wanting to be hit on (by gay people). You can go to a bar to drink and dance and not flirt, and the fact that it's a gay bar or not isn't the determining factor in that."

Which, as a bi guy, is something I can get behind. Sometimes you go out to score, and sometimes you go out to drink and do crazy stuff with your friends and don't want to be bothered by stranger. The fact that you're in a gay bar or not doesn't alway have to factor into that.
Ahh, I was seeing it as more of a "Not wanting to be hit on by gay people because they're gay, even though you're at a gay bar". As in, not caring if you get hit on by straight people (whether you are looking to score or not), but not wanting gay people to hit on you in a gay bar.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 07, 2013, 10:31:27 am
A head exploding tag on tumblr is "queer baiting." It's used a mind numbing amount in the Community fandom, usually with the trobed tag. Queer baiting is when a show implies two characters of the same sex are romantically attracted, but then gives them heteronormative romances and storylines. I've seen shippers say that if Troy and Abed don't hook up then the show is erasing queer identities. I want to ask them how they even begin to reach this conclusion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 10:50:02 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 07, 2013, 10:31:27 am
A head exploding tag on tumblr is "queer baiting." It's used a mind numbing amount in the Community fandom, usually with the trobed tag. Queer baiting is when a show implies two characters of the same sex are romantically attracted, but then gives them heteronormative romances and storylines. I've seen shippers say that if Troy and Abed don't hook up then the show is erasing queer identities. I want to ask them how they even begin to reach this conclusion.
It's pretty much shipping goggles with a bit of annoyance at the lack of well-written gay couples on television. Hopefully, we'll finally see one sooner or later on the S.H.I.E.L.D. TV show, since seemingly the only person who knew how to make good gay couples on American TV was Joss Whedon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 07, 2013, 03:10:44 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 10:50:02 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 07, 2013, 10:31:27 am
A head exploding tag on tumblr is "queer baiting." It's used a mind numbing amount in the Community fandom, usually with the trobed tag. Queer baiting is when a show implies two characters of the same sex are romantically attracted, but then gives them heteronormative romances and storylines. I've seen shippers say that if Troy and Abed don't hook up then the show is erasing queer identities. I want to ask them how they even begin to reach this conclusion.
It's pretty much shipping goggles with a bit of annoyance at the lack of well-written gay couples on television. Hopefully, we'll finally see one sooner or later on the S.H.I.E.L.D. TV show, since seemingly the only person who knew how to make good gay couples on American TV was Joss Whedon.

Actually, Stargate Universe did a good job. In fact, the show almost had the message that where straight people are sex maniacs who can't keep it in their pants, gays never sleep around. Given that the straight characters had a sizable amount of relationship drama, while the one gay couple was steadfast.

Incidentally, the actress who played one of the gay characters on Stargate Universe, Ming-Na, is one of the regulars for Agents of SHIELD.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 03:18:04 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 07, 2013, 03:10:44 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 10:50:02 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 07, 2013, 10:31:27 am
A head exploding tag on tumblr is "queer baiting." It's used a mind numbing amount in the Community fandom, usually with the trobed tag. Queer baiting is when a show implies two characters of the same sex are romantically attracted, but then gives them heteronormative romances and storylines. I've seen shippers say that if Troy and Abed don't hook up then the show is erasing queer identities. I want to ask them how they even begin to reach this conclusion.
It's pretty much shipping goggles with a bit of annoyance at the lack of well-written gay couples on television. Hopefully, we'll finally see one sooner or later on the S.H.I.E.L.D. TV show, since seemingly the only person who knew how to make good gay couples on American TV was Joss Whedon.

Actually, Stargate Universe did a good job. In fact, the show almost had the message that where straight people are sex maniacs who can't keep it in their pants, gays never sleep around. Given that the straight characters had a sizable amount of relationship drama, while the one gay couple was steadfast.

Incidentally, the actress who played one of the gay characters on Stargate Universe, Ming-Na, is one of the regulars for Agents of SHIELD.
Cue crossover fanfiction in 3... 2... 1...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 07, 2013, 03:27:24 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 03:18:04 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 07, 2013, 03:10:44 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 10:50:02 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 07, 2013, 10:31:27 am
A head exploding tag on tumblr is "queer baiting." It's used a mind numbing amount in the Community fandom, usually with the trobed tag. Queer baiting is when a show implies two characters of the same sex are romantically attracted, but then gives them heteronormative romances and storylines. I've seen shippers say that if Troy and Abed don't hook up then the show is erasing queer identities. I want to ask them how they even begin to reach this conclusion.
It's pretty much shipping goggles with a bit of annoyance at the lack of well-written gay couples on television. Hopefully, we'll finally see one sooner or later on the S.H.I.E.L.D. TV show, since seemingly the only person who knew how to make good gay couples on American TV was Joss Whedon.

Actually, Stargate Universe did a good job. In fact, the show almost had the message that where straight people are sex maniacs who can't keep it in their pants, gays never sleep around. Given that the straight characters had a sizable amount of relationship drama, while the one gay couple was steadfast.

Incidentally, the actress who played one of the gay characters on Stargate Universe, Ming-Na, is one of the regulars for Agents of SHIELD.
Cue crossover fanfiction in 3... 2... 1...
Well, there's the minor issue of getting her character back to Earth. She's sorta stranded on the other side of the universe...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 07, 2013, 04:20:53 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 07, 2013, 03:27:24 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 03:18:04 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 07, 2013, 03:10:44 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 10:50:02 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 07, 2013, 10:31:27 am
A head exploding tag on tumblr is "queer baiting." It's used a mind numbing amount in the Community fandom, usually with the trobed tag. Queer baiting is when a show implies two characters of the same sex are romantically attracted, but then gives them heteronormative romances and storylines. I've seen shippers say that if Troy and Abed don't hook up then the show is erasing queer identities. I want to ask them how they even begin to reach this conclusion.
It's pretty much shipping goggles with a bit of annoyance at the lack of well-written gay couples on television. Hopefully, we'll finally see one sooner or later on the S.H.I.E.L.D. TV show, since seemingly the only person who knew how to make good gay couples on American TV was Joss Whedon.

Actually, Stargate Universe did a good job. In fact, the show almost had the message that where straight people are sex maniacs who can't keep it in their pants, gays never sleep around. Given that the straight characters had a sizable amount of relationship drama, while the one gay couple was steadfast.

Incidentally, the actress who played one of the gay characters on Stargate Universe, Ming-Na, is one of the regulars for Agents of SHIELD.
Cue crossover fanfiction in 3... 2... 1...
Well, there's the minor issue of getting her character back to Earth. She's sorta stranded on the other side of the universe...

Dude. Fan-fiction has ultra-MarySue characters that usually have incredibly ridiculous and cheesy backgrounds. Bringing someone from one side of the universe to the other in a scifi setting which has instantaneous travel between portals that are several light years from another isn't an issue. It's the basis of the series.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 07, 2013, 04:22:18 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 10:50:02 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 07, 2013, 10:31:27 am
A head exploding tag on tumblr is "queer baiting." It's used a mind numbing amount in the Community fandom, usually with the trobed tag. Queer baiting is when a show implies two characters of the same sex are romantically attracted, but then gives them heteronormative romances and storylines. I've seen shippers say that if Troy and Abed don't hook up then the show is erasing queer identities. I want to ask them how they even begin to reach this conclusion.
It's pretty much shipping goggles with a bit of annoyance at the lack of well-written gay couples on television. Hopefully, we'll finally see one sooner or later on the S.H.I.E.L.D. TV show, since seemingly the only person who knew how to make good gay couples on American TV was Joss Whedon.

Here's hoping Whedon pulls it off again.

And, I will admit, the Community fandom has a point. They gave both characters girlfriends in the fourth season after new show runners took over. Prior to that it was heavily implied everyone in universe believed them a couple. The "I love you" "I know" zombie episode from season two. Or the hand holding "We have something to tell everyone" episode in season three (it turned out they had become roommates).

I still am trying to figure out how it's erasing queer identities.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 05:49:32 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 07, 2013, 04:22:18 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 10:50:02 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 07, 2013, 10:31:27 am
A head exploding tag on tumblr is "queer baiting." It's used a mind numbing amount in the Community fandom, usually with the trobed tag. Queer baiting is when a show implies two characters of the same sex are romantically attracted, but then gives them heteronormative romances and storylines. I've seen shippers say that if Troy and Abed don't hook up then the show is erasing queer identities. I want to ask them how they even begin to reach this conclusion.
It's pretty much shipping goggles with a bit of annoyance at the lack of well-written gay couples on television. Hopefully, we'll finally see one sooner or later on the S.H.I.E.L.D. TV show, since seemingly the only person who knew how to make good gay couples on American TV was Joss Whedon.

Here's hoping Whedon pulls it off again.

And, I will admit, the Community fandom has a point. They gave both characters girlfriends in the fourth season after new show runners took over. Prior to that it was heavily implied everyone in universe believed them a couple. The "I love you" "I know" zombie episode from season two. Or the hand holding "We have something to tell everyone" episode in season three (it turned out they had become roommates).

I still am trying to figure out how it's erasing queer identities.
That's actually pretty simple. These characters identify as gay. Then they're changed into straight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 07, 2013, 05:59:52 pm
But did the characters actually identify as gay? There's a difference between a show mocking how two straight people act like a gay couple and a show actually turning two legitimately gay characters straight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 06:19:06 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 07, 2013, 05:59:52 pm
But did the characters actually identify as gay? There's a difference between a show mocking how two straight people act like a gay couple and a show actually turning two legitimately gay characters straight.
It's heavily implied, like any other relationship that hasn't been outright stated but everyone can see. They did the typical buildup tease, but never delivered, which is wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 07, 2013, 07:15:12 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 07, 2013, 06:19:06 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 07, 2013, 05:59:52 pm
But did the characters actually identify as gay? There's a difference between a show mocking how two straight people act like a gay couple and a show actually turning two legitimately gay characters straight.
It's heavily implied, like any other relationship that hasn't been outright stated but everyone can see. They did the typical buildup tease, but never delivered, which is wrong.

I think it was always meant to just be a running gag.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 07, 2013, 08:03:52 pm
Some running gags are meant to be tripped.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 07, 2013, 08:17:04 pm
This is the beauty of implying a relationship but never dealing it out.

Since its implying, the queerbaiting goes into the imagination, and since its the imagination, its subjective and since its subjective its automatically bullshit. So its okay to "erase" the queerness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 07, 2013, 08:37:46 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 07, 2013, 05:59:52 pm
But did the characters actually identify as gay? There's a difference between a show mocking how two straight people act like a gay couple and a show actually turning two legitimately gay characters straight.

Troy and Abed never self identified as gay. It was just very heavily implied. There are lists dedicated to all the "yeah, they're straight, uh huh" moments in the show because they're just so many of them.

Though, after thinking about it, I could see certain fans calling season four solely out for queer baiting. Some of the more obvious "guy love" moments happen after they've been given girlfriends. The second to last episode had a crazy quilt of destiny, it showed how their paths had crossed prior to the core seven characters becoming friends. Different characters start becoming mad because of the negative effect another group member had on their life. Shirley says someone ruined her marriage. Jeff claims it cost him his job. Troy's major complaint? Abed was out there somewhere and wasn't looking for him. Abed's girlfriend was also seen for exactly one episode and never mentioned again, as if she was just put there to drive home that the character is straight.

TL;DR I don't think it's erasing queer identity, but I see where some might think it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 07, 2013, 09:09:03 pm
I don't agree that it's erasing queer identity.

But it sure as hell pisses me off, considering that most gay-centric movies/series tend to focus on the "alternative lifestyle" part of gay culture (and these are supposed to be PRO gay) and, apparently for all forms of media, we can't just have a normal story that happens to have a gay male lead.  Nope, it has to entirely revolve around his different sexuality.

For once I'd like to play an RPG where the male lead happens to fancy other men and this is treated exactly the same as any other romance subplot, aside from cultural implications.

Then again I'd like an RPG with a gay male lead period.  Or at least bisexual with a male option that wasn't raised in a prostitution environment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 07, 2013, 09:14:39 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 07, 2013, 09:09:03 pm
For once I'd like to play an RPG where the male lead happens to fancy other men and this is treated exactly the same as any other romance subplot, aside from cultural implications.

Then again I'd like an RPG with a gay male lead period.  Or at least bisexual with a male option that wasn't raised in a prostitution environment.

Ever play Bully? Not only does it include the option to make out with boys for health boosts (though fewer boys than girls, which is demographically appropriate), but these are high school age kids. And there's no references to the characters' sexuality beyond that, to the point where anyone who didn't look it up beforehand likely wouldn't know it was even an option without trying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 07, 2013, 09:16:26 pm
Well Bully's not exactly RPG enough for me.  Though it is a game I've been curious about so... eh.

I've never played it, though
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 07, 2013, 09:18:47 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 07, 2013, 09:16:26 pm
Well Bully's not exactly RPG enough for me.  Though it is a game I've been curious about so... eh.

I've never played it, though

I'd give it a try. It's old (even the HD re-release is still almost identical, but has some more bugs), but it's a very interesting game and a fun thing to play through. And it's got the usual Rockstar quality, including great voice acting.

And literally every single character is unique. It means the population of the school and town is smaller than normal, but there's no repetition of characters (though they may seem to teleport) and they don't generate generic NPCs to fill up space.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on July 07, 2013, 09:38:12 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 07, 2013, 09:09:03 pm
For once I'd like to play an RPG where the male lead happens to fancy other men and this is treated exactly the same as any other romance subplot, aside from cultural implications.

Then again I'd like an RPG with a gay male lead period.  Or at least bisexual with a male option that wasn't raised in a prostitution environment.
Try Exalted. It's a pen and paper rpg, but it's a really LGTB-friendly one. To the point that one of the signature character in the new edition is a FTM lone rider swordsman. ^^
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on July 07, 2013, 09:38:39 pm
Bully can best be described as "GTA at a boarding school and the surrounding area"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 07, 2013, 09:39:37 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 07, 2013, 09:09:03 pm
I don't agree that it's erasing queer identity.

But it sure as hell pisses me off, considering that most gay-centric movies/series tend to focus on the "alternative lifestyle" part of gay culture (and these are supposed to be PRO gay) and, apparently for all forms of media, we can't just have a normal story that happens to have a gay male lead.  Nope, it has to entirely revolve around his different sexuality.

For once I'd like to play an RPG where the male lead happens to fancy other men and this is treated exactly the same as any other romance subplot, aside from cultural implications.

Then again I'd like an RPG with a gay male lead period.  Or at least bisexual with a male option that wasn't raised in a prostitution environment.

There's hope, with Harmon back at the writers' table, that they'll resolve it in a better way.

Modern Family is doing the best job of portraying a normalish gay couple. Though there's still much to be desired. They're almost completely focused on their daughter and don't get much couple time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 07, 2013, 11:06:35 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/cdc59fbd3902ab59131f44beec3e4f3f/tumblr_mph3gz5Tdy1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Genderbitch defends necrophilia.

(http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af68/knight_ley/ryan-1.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 07, 2013, 11:34:52 pm
While I agree that necrophilia isn't rape, desecration of the dead frequently goes hand-in-hand with other anti-social behaviors, including sex crimes against live people, violence, etc. Necrophiles who act on their fantasies generally aren't mentally stable people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 08, 2013, 02:03:54 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 07, 2013, 09:09:03 pm
I don't agree that it's erasing queer identity.

But it sure as hell pisses me off, considering that most gay-centric movies/series tend to focus on the "alternative lifestyle" part of gay culture (and these are supposed to be PRO gay) and, apparently for all forms of media, we can't just have a normal story that happens to have a gay male lead.  Nope, it has to entirely revolve around his different sexuality.

For once I'd like to play an RPG where the male lead happens to fancy other men and this is treated exactly the same as any other romance subplot, aside from cultural implications.

Then again I'd like an RPG with a gay male lead period.  Or at least bisexual with a male option that wasn't raised in a prostitution environment.

How about Dragon Age? You can romance Zevran, Anders, or Fenris as a male. Mass Effect 3 went the next step and had a male character you can ONLY romance if you're male (Steve Cortez, the shuttle pilot).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 08, 2013, 02:11:04 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 08, 2013, 02:03:54 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 07, 2013, 09:09:03 pm
I don't agree that it's erasing queer identity.

But it sure as hell pisses me off, considering that most gay-centric movies/series tend to focus on the "alternative lifestyle" part of gay culture (and these are supposed to be PRO gay) and, apparently for all forms of media, we can't just have a normal story that happens to have a gay male lead.  Nope, it has to entirely revolve around his different sexuality.

For once I'd like to play an RPG where the male lead happens to fancy other men and this is treated exactly the same as any other romance subplot, aside from cultural implications.

Then again I'd like an RPG with a gay male lead period.  Or at least bisexual with a male option that wasn't raised in a prostitution environment.

How about Dragon Age? You can romance Zevran, Anders, or Fenris as a male. Mass Effect 3 went the next step and had a male character you can ONLY romance if you're male (Steve Cortez, the shuttle pilot).

I was actually talking about Dragon Age with the last sentence of my post there.  I'm not a fan of Zevran.

Dragon Age 2... Anders and Fenris are both good choices (I've even heard that Fenris was written specifically with a gay romance in mind) but I don't own Dragon Age 2.  I've played the demo, and I'm actually really sick of all the hate DA2 gets for being different from DA1 (even though, IMO, DA2's gameplay blows DA1's out of the water.  But then, people love DA1 because it reminds them of their precious Baldur's Gate series)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 08, 2013, 06:38:58 am
Hrm. Mass Effect 3 also gives you Kaidan for a bisexual option. But man have I seen a lot of fetishizing homosexuals come from MShenko.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on July 08, 2013, 07:22:54 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 08, 2013, 06:38:58 am
Hrm. Mass Effect 3 also gives you Kaidan for a bisexual option. But man have I seen a lot of fetishizing homosexuals come from MShenko.

I wonder if I am the only person who is mildly pissed that Kaidan went from being a military veteran with a pessimistic understanding to how the world works into being a whiny overly emotional looser in the 3rd game.

I got the feeling that was for the new bi-sexual relationship options, but it was a serious turn off for me as a female player. It left me feeling like they were going for the effeminate gay stereotype and it bugged me.

Of course I could have misinterpreted it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 08, 2013, 08:55:55 am
Quote from: Sylvana on July 08, 2013, 07:22:54 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 08, 2013, 06:38:58 am
Hrm. Mass Effect 3 also gives you Kaidan for a bisexual option. But man have I seen a lot of fetishizing homosexuals come from MShenko.

I wonder if I am the only person who is mildly pissed that Kaidan went from being a military veteran with a pessimistic understanding to how the world works into being a whiny overly emotional looser in the 3rd game.

I got the feeling that was for the new bi-sexual relationship options, but it was a serious turn off for me as a female player. It left me feeling like they were going for the effeminate gay stereotype and it bugged me.

Of course I could have misinterpreted it.

I wouldn't know. Commander Shane Shepard lost Kaidan Alenko on Virmire and has never been interested in him as a romance option anyways. I do know that Kaidan walks all over femshep and she just takes it from him! Whereas mshep can deny everything where femshep can't.

I will always hate Bioware for not letting me have this:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 08, 2013, 09:32:16 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 08, 2013, 08:55:55 am
Quote from: Sylvana on July 08, 2013, 07:22:54 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 08, 2013, 06:38:58 am
Hrm. Mass Effect 3 also gives you Kaidan for a bisexual option. But man have I seen a lot of fetishizing homosexuals come from MShenko.

I wonder if I am the only person who is mildly pissed that Kaidan went from being a military veteran with a pessimistic understanding to how the world works into being a whiny overly emotional looser in the 3rd game.

I got the feeling that was for the new bi-sexual relationship options, but it was a serious turn off for me as a female player. It left me feeling like they were going for the effeminate gay stereotype and it bugged me.

Of course I could have misinterpreted it.

I wouldn't know. Commander Shane Shepard lost Kaidan Alenko on Virmire and has never been interested in him as a romance option anyways. I do know that Kaidan walks all over femshep and she just takes it from him! Whereas mshep can deny everything where femshep can't.

I will always hate Bioware for not letting me have this:

(click to show/hide)
And I'm a bit miffed that they never thought of this:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 08, 2013, 10:14:36 am
Polyamory is available in Dragon Age depending on how you play it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 08, 2013, 11:46:40 am
Sims has always had a gay option.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 08, 2013, 12:36:49 pm
Skyrim has gay and lesbian options.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 08, 2013, 01:26:49 pm
As does Fable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 08, 2013, 01:34:53 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 08, 2013, 01:26:49 pm
As does Fable.
Playing back through the fable games(all of them because I have no attention span) and god damn does fable cover lots of shit. I had someone who was 'Transvestite appreciative' following around one of my female characters for a while. I've pretty much gotten to the point I check NPC details just to amuse myself in the stranger areas.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 08, 2013, 03:02:05 pm
Ironically, I actually consider Skyrim's gay options to be the best in the gaming community so far simply because the game's like

"Are they marriable?  Okay, we're just going to completely ignore everyone's gender in this and play it as gender neutral as possible!"

Gotta say one thing about Nords, they may have a lot of racists, and they may be superstitious about magic (despite once being great with it) but they are pretty progressive about gender equality.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 08, 2013, 03:03:16 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 08, 2013, 03:02:05 pm
Ironically, I actually consider Skyrim's gay options to be the best in the gaming community so far simply because the game's like

"Are they marriable?  Okay, we're just going to completely ignore everyone's gender in this and play it as gender neutral as possible!"

Gotta say one thing about Nords, they may have a lot of racists, and they may be superstitious about magic (despite once being great with it) but they are pretty progressive about gender equality.
As the game says, there's little time for sexism or homophobia in Skyrim. You're too busy not dying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 08, 2013, 05:34:20 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/552c439486a2d34ba0c018bfc99840d7/tumblr_mph3o9KLla1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Okay, so perhaps this does say something about society's unfortunate views on body type, but comparing killing a Sim with wanting actual human beings dead is pretty ridiculous.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 08, 2013, 05:43:20 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 08, 2013, 05:34:20 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/552c439486a2d34ba0c018bfc99840d7/tumblr_mph3o9KLla1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Okay, so perhaps this does say something about society's unfortunate views on body type, but comparing killing a Sim with wanting actual human beings dead is pretty ridiculous.

My goddess half of tumblr are psychopaths.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 08, 2013, 06:03:53 pm
Said person probably plays violent RPGs and sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto while violently splattering the brains of anyone who gets in their way without a single pause.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 08, 2013, 07:09:13 pm
CRY. CRY AND FUME.

I DRINK YOUR TEARS.

Seriously, though, its just a game. I like making my Sims suffer as much as humanly possible, but that's because I am a cruel bastard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 08, 2013, 09:35:22 pm
Still, I get the poster's point. If they had instead wanted to get rid of, say, a black Sim for being black, we'd find that friggin creepy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 08, 2013, 09:36:07 pm
Could've made the point without all the hyperbole, tho. Here's something rather mild in the topic of SJW:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/9b436758d4a4f59ebfa6fa437b8d3858/tumblr_mpl3fcaP7V1spc06no1_500.jpg)
"Blatant racism (apartheid) and misogyny"

All the ad is doing is comparing the 1950s to now when it comes to Denny's and how people dress between then and now. If anything, the ad is pretty progressive. It's meant to be an ad about a dad and his son. And there's no racism. The 1950s just happened to have ads like on the left. They were everywhere. It was the 50s for goddess's sake!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 08, 2013, 10:10:16 pm
Also, the guy on the right reminds me less of a minority and more of Greg Grunberg.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 08, 2013, 10:44:47 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3a787a2dccbe843b4a71ba87c8b1ea39/tumblr_mp0v6u7DKO1r2qpyoo1_400.png)

I like how they claim that one POC cannot speak for all POC while they're trying to speak for all POC.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 08, 2013, 10:57:17 pm
"This is a no whites zone!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 08, 2013, 11:06:50 pm
POCstuck? Are they talking about POC fanart for Homestuck?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 08, 2013, 11:52:59 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 08, 2013, 11:06:50 pm
POCstuck? Are they talking about POC fanart for Homestuck?

Basically...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Yla on July 09, 2013, 07:49:02 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 08, 2013, 02:11:04 am
(even though, IMO, DA2's gameplay blows DA1's out of the water.  But then, people love DA1 because it reminds them of their precious Baldur's Gate series)
DA2 gameplay sucks balls. Half of the fights are too easy, the other half too hard, so I need to go to options every time and screw with the difficulty slider. The enemy reinforcements are annoying and I still fail to see how they're anything other than padding. DA1 was only starting to stretch my SOD about the number of enemies, but Hawke slaughters an entire division of street thugs every time they go and fetch an old lady's groceries.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 09, 2013, 08:06:09 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 08, 2013, 05:34:20 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/552c439486a2d34ba0c018bfc99840d7/tumblr_mph3o9KLla1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Okay, so perhaps this does say something about society's unfortunate views on body type, but comparing killing a Sim with wanting actual human beings dead is pretty ridiculous.

Not to mention the fact that most, if not all, people who play or have played the Sims at one point or another have, in fact, either conducted horrible experiments on them or killed them in some grisly manner.  I'd be more surprised if the people in question HADN'T killed any Sims.

That's like playing Minecraft and never once playing with TNT!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 09, 2013, 01:07:19 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 08, 2013, 10:44:47 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3a787a2dccbe843b4a71ba87c8b1ea39/tumblr_mp0v6u7DKO1r2qpyoo1_400.png)

I like how they claim that one POC cannot speak for all POC while they're trying to speak for all POC.
"POC" has to be one of the most obnoxious initialisations the social justice twats have ever managed to come up with.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on July 09, 2013, 02:33:48 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 09, 2013, 01:07:19 pm
"POC" has to be one of the most obnoxious initialisations the social justice twats have ever managed to come up with.
Indeed. It destroys every nuance of racial diversity to replace it with a horrible false dichotomy of "White vs POC"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: anti-nonsense on July 09, 2013, 02:43:05 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on July 09, 2013, 08:06:09 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 08, 2013, 05:34:20 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/552c439486a2d34ba0c018bfc99840d7/tumblr_mph3o9KLla1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Okay, so perhaps this does say something about society's unfortunate views on body type, but comparing killing a Sim with wanting actual human beings dead is pretty ridiculous.

Not to mention the fact that most, if not all, people who play or have played the Sims at one point or another have, in fact, either conducted horrible experiments on them or killed them in some grisly manner.  I'd be more surprised if the people in question HADN'T killed any Sims.

That's like playing Minecraft and never once playing with TNT!

I killed a nanny for causing a toddler to pee himself after he was already potty trained one time. Yeah, there are very very few sims players that haven't killed a sim, at least occasionally.

And how do you miss the fact that a sim is pregnant anyway? That's pretty dumb, as it is really obvious that they are pregnant, in The Sims 3 they get a moodlet icon that notes the pregnancy and everything. 

But yeah, another so called social justice warrior making a mountain out of a molehill.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 09, 2013, 02:47:47 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on July 09, 2013, 02:33:48 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 09, 2013, 01:07:19 pm
"POC" has to be one of the most obnoxious initialisations the social justice twats have ever managed to come up with.
Indeed. It destroys every nuance of racial diversity to replace it with a horrible false dichotomy of "White vs POC"

Erasure of queer identity irks me more. If someone is telling an LGB they have to be straight they are attempting to erase that person's identity. If a trans is being told they can't be X because they have Y that's trying to erase their identity. Anything else comes off as "us vs them" whining that is likely to irritate people who otherwise would have agreed with you.

Don't get me wrong, POC is still confusing and off putting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 09, 2013, 02:56:36 pm
What's really irritating is that a lot of these SJWs insist that "person of colour" is the only acceptable term, even though it's considered anywhere from pretentious to downright offensive in nearly every region outside of the US.

Then again, these people are infamous for their Americentrism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 09, 2013, 03:03:53 pm
Mlle, you are often a bastion of eloquence. It must be the Canadian in you.

How does POC work in countries where being Caucasian would make you the POC?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 09, 2013, 03:05:30 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 09, 2013, 02:56:36 pm
What's really irritating is that a lot of these SJWs insist that "person of colour" is the only acceptable term, even though it's considered anywhere from pretentious to downright offensive in nearly every region outside of the US.

Then again, these people are infamous for their Americentrism.

I find it hilarious that the same people who claim to fight for equality and kittens and all that is good are sometimes so ignorant and bigoted.

Again, it's not all SJW's just some of them, but the bad ones really are just a mirror image of the right-wing Teatards and racist fuckwits. All are 100% certain that they are right, will never concider that people who disagree with them might have some reason or justification for it and they only see things in black and white, showing hostility to anything that does not perfectly fit into their world view.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 09, 2013, 03:20:53 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 09, 2013, 02:56:36 pm
What's really irritating is that a lot of these SJWs insist that "person of colour" is the only acceptable term, even though it's considered anywhere from pretentious to downright offensive in nearly every region outside of the US.

Then again, these people are infamous for their Americentrism.

It ends up implying that the world has all of these wonderful, diverse, colorful communities......and then the white people on the other side.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 09, 2013, 10:49:18 pm
I've never killed any of my sims. But that's because the DS version is boring as shit and doesn't give you that option.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 10, 2013, 08:20:55 am
There's a version of the Sims without death?!  WHAT HERESY IS THIS?!  Clearly, someone needs to be kicked in the nuts/vagina for that particularly brilliant decision.

Also, I thought "person of colour" went out in, like...the 70s or so, maybe even earlier.  I really don't get why they have their panties in a twist over me, for example, calling a black person black or an Asian an Asian.  Fuck, I'm the ONLY white guy in the place into which I'm moving, and I'm all but certain all of them, even the nice Sunday school teacher or minister or whatever he is, would be downright offended if I called him a person of colour.

Ya know, thinking on it, I find it absolutely uproarious that they don't see that "person of colour" is more identity-erasing than many of the worst racial epithets one could use.  At least they acknowledge that one person is black, another is Italian, and that dude over there is Asian.  Its ironic when your chosen PC term is actually MORE offensive than a racial slur.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 10, 2013, 09:32:10 am
Out? As in, it started? It was used during MLK's day.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 10, 2013, 10:26:19 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 10, 2013, 09:32:10 am
Out? As in, it started? It was used during MLK's day.
Nonono, as in it stopped being generally used.  Kinda like how you don't hear people using the term "humbug" nowadays.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 10, 2013, 10:27:51 am
I dunno, doing a search says it's been in continuous use since the 70s and 80s but not widely used, admittedly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 10, 2013, 10:31:39 am
An aquaitance on Facebook let me know I was shaming the LGBT community because I was pregnant again. Apparently if I'm going to keep having babies I might as well dub myself a brainless breeder and be done with it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 10, 2013, 12:22:01 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on July 10, 2013, 10:26:19 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 10, 2013, 09:32:10 am
Out? As in, it started? It was used during MLK's day.
Nonono, as in it stopped being generally used.  Kinda like how you don't hear people using the term "humbug" nowadays.

From the Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color) on the term:

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Although the term citizens of color was used by Martin Luther King, Jr. in 1963, and other uses date to as early as 1793, people of color did not gain prominence for many years.[6][7] Influenced by radical theorists like Frantz Fanon, racial justice activists in the U.S. began to use the term people of color in the late 1970s and early 1980s. By the late 1980s and early 1990s, it was in wide circulation.[8] Both anti-racist activists and academics sought to move understandings of race beyond the black-white binary then prevalent.[9]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 02:25:03 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 10, 2013, 10:31:39 am
An aquaitance on Facebook let me know I was shaming the LGBT community because I was pregnant again. Apparently if I'm going to keep having babies I might as well dub myself a brainless breeder and be done with it.
That person is an idiot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 10, 2013, 02:36:11 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 10, 2013, 10:31:39 am
An aquaitance on Facebook let me know I was shaming the LGBT community because I was pregnant again. Apparently if I'm going to keep having babies I might as well dub myself a brainless breeder and be done with it.

Find this person and remove their genitals with a rusty knife.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 03:40:35 pm
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The weirdest thing to me is the profile pic looks pretty attractive, and yet she's claiming it's a dig at her.

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I'm five-foot-six and 180 pounds, and no it fucking isn't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 10, 2013, 03:51:59 pm
I'm shorter and heavier, and no it isn't. </echo>

I can't think of anyone short of the morbidly obese (by which I mean the HUGE people who are either more sedentary than I am or have genetic disorders) who could possibly think that a pint of ice cream is snack sized.

...And those with extremely high metabolisms to where they need to eat eight meals a day or starve.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 04:05:14 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 10, 2013, 03:51:59 pm
I'm shorter and heavier, and no it isn't. </echo>

I can't think of anyone short of the morbidly obese (by which I mean the HUGE people who are either more sedentary than I am or have genetic disorders) who could possibly think that a pint of ice cream is snack sized.

...And those with extremely high metabolisms to where they need to eat eight meals a day or starve.
Even people with insanely high metabolisms don't need that much (and I know two girls who can either go all day without food sometimes or other days eat five meals and literally multiple jars of Nutella and not gain weight, but they are a cute couple). And, what, no reaction to the Transrace people  ;D?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 10, 2013, 04:09:14 pm
I don't gain weight easily (I'm 6'2 and haven't reached 200 pounds, and I still look damn good as long as I keep my shirt on), but I still consider a pint of ice cream, like, a meal's worth of food.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 04:22:43 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 10, 2013, 04:09:14 pm
I don't gain weight easily (I'm 6'2 and haven't reached 200 pounds, and I still look damn good as long as I keep my shirt on), but I still consider a pint of ice cream, like, a meal's worth of food.
You lucky bastard :). If I eat more than 1000 calories a day, I gain weight.

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Do I even want to know what transabled is?

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I have no issue with DID multiple systems (oddly enough, I don't actually know any, which is abnormal for my track record). That being said, you're a fucking idiot.

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I have no issue with therans, either. It's certainly possible, as a mental illness not dissimilar to DID.

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However, I do have an issue with transabled people. Fuck you.

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If you're a multiple, simply refuse to have a psychologist integrate you. They ain't gonna force you.

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Quite the "special" snowflake.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 10, 2013, 04:31:58 pm
I'm human. Feel free to cower in terror.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 04:46:16 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 10, 2013, 04:31:58 pm
I'm human. Feel free to cower in terror.
Oh no!!!!!

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From the same person:
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How the fucknuggets are you a Quaker and an atheist? At least synesthesia is real.

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Being vegan is a first world privilege, idiot.

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Denis, take it away. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs)

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So, wheelchair fight? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8J3GebUYAc)

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Okay, WHAT THE FUCK DID THE INTERNET DO? What started this madness?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 10, 2013, 04:55:31 pm
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I'm willing to bet the last response is a troll. The others.....not so sure.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 10, 2013, 04:56:28 pm
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Right, because there are well documented differences in the brain structures of people with different ethnicities, and in fact human biology can develop with various characteristics of different ethnicities regardless of genetics if exposed to various hormones. Oh. Wait.


I could respond to any of a dozen of these things, but even I have better things to do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 05:08:49 pm
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Oh please. My last name is in German. I get underlined, too.

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Another transethnicity person. And, fuck you, Google. That is not a word.

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The three rules of BDSM are "Safe, sane and consensual". You violated two of them right there.

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Yes, that'll get you accepted.

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Ew.

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Please be a troll.

Quote from: xthread:

i’ve completely stopped using “lgbtq”.  for one thing, i am rarely talking about gay and lesbians (monosexuals) in the same context as bisexuals, and less am i talking about trans people within that context.  furthermore, i don’t recognize lesbian, gay, bisexual OR trans people to be necessarily “queer” in the way i understand queer; some of them are trying to be “normal”- so queer is it’s own separate thing.  lastly, where are pansexuals, polysexuals, asexuals, and intersex people? or radical heterosexuals?  for this reason, generally i just speak of whatever people i am referring to.  sometimes, however, i notice that i just use “queer” (as in “other queer people”). but this is problematic because i don’t necessarily see “queer people” the way i see myself as a queer person; in fact, i don’t identify people as queer unless they are intentionally trying to subvert a norm or disrupt something.  so i was thinking of maybe using queer+ or queer* to denote radical and/or self-identified queers from those that society deems as queer for simply existing (all people in the alphabet soup)….  does anyone think that could catch on the way trans* has?

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 10, 2013, 05:10:36 pm
What the fuck is an "uske?"

People don't accept "transethnics" because they're usually just a bunch of people who play with cultural stereotypes. You're not a transethnic Japanese simply because you listen to J-pop, eat ramen, and watch anime.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 05:12:20 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 10, 2013, 05:10:36 pm
What the fuck is an "uske?"

People don't accept "transethnics" because they're usually just a bunch of people who play with cultural stereotypes. You're not a transethnic Japanese simply because you listen to J-pop, eat ramen, and watch anime.
It's, according to that person, a pronoun.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 10, 2013, 05:13:07 pm
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Well, that likely just means that you have psychological issues regarding sex that you need to have worked out.

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Please be a troll.

At least the second one is a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 05:33:33 pm
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I accept everyone, but your acronym is too damn long.

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Quote from: norse-homos:
Recently a few events have unfolded and our good friend Karkat has been outed for having member of his system he wished to keep under wraps to avoid backlash. He’s extremely upset by this turn of events.

This is why we’re making this post. We are willingly going public with a member of our system we’ve kept hidden for some time now out of fear for being judge. We are no longer afraid. This is for you, Karkat. We love you all.

My friends, there exists a type of headmate known as a “factive”. Much like “fictive” their identity is known through various sources. Factives are being who are, essentially, beings who exist out-world. To be blunt and possibly slightly offensive, they are “real” people.

Karkat was outed in having one. Someone who has a bad reputation for something he did in his past. I don’t believe he deserves this reputation anymore. He is a good being. They are all wonderful beings.

So we come to you, followers. We’re here to say that we, too, have such a member. Admittedly, he does not have such a stain on his record. In fact many people love, admire, and respect him

The person in our system we’re referring to is named Thomas William Hiddleston, though you may call him Tom.

There will still likely be backlash from those who find out.

We don’t care.

This isn’t about us looking good. This is about helping a friend in need. A friend who needs just that - a friend who can understand.

Feel free to unfollow. Feel free to leave us messages. We don’t care. We love Karkat, that means way more too us than your hate.
NO! You do not have Tom Hiddleston in your goddamn head. Fuck you.

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Eva Braun is your headmate? No.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 10, 2013, 05:37:31 pm
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Damn. As I started reading, I was kinda hoping they meant they were in love with rocks.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 10, 2013, 05:37:42 pm
Could I request we don't put so many pictures in one post? It makes it damn difficult to try to respond to a specific pic.

I will say that a lot of those with multiples, or transethnic, transdisabled (stop) seem to all be under 21 years old. And they all need psychiatric help.

Also:

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That is one of the more normal about mes I've seen.

Also LOL transgender privilege. Ok.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 05:40:14 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 10, 2013, 05:37:42 pm
Could I request we don't put so many pictures in one post? It makes it damn difficult to try to respond to a specific pic.

I will say that a lot of those with multiples, or transethnic, transdisabled (stop) seem to all be under 21 years old. And they all need psychiatric help.

Also:

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That is one of the more normal about mes I've seen.

Also LOL transgender privilege. Ok.
Sorry, I'm doing lots in one post mainly so I don't get accused of posting less in one post to post more. And yeah, transgender privilege is just nuts.

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Am I the only one who is apathetic about hair unless it's got wild colors or a unique style, then I love it (and, tbh, I love bald women too).

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Another otherkin LGBTQ privilege post.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 10, 2013, 05:55:55 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 05:40:14 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 10, 2013, 05:37:42 pm
Could I request we don't put so many pictures in one post? It makes it damn difficult to try to respond to a specific pic.

I will say that a lot of those with multiples, or transethnic, transdisabled (stop) seem to all be under 21 years old. And they all need psychiatric help.

Also:

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That is one of the more normal about mes I've seen.

Also LOL transgender privilege. Ok.
Sorry, I'm doing lots in one post mainly so I don't get accused of posting less in one post to post more. And yeah, transgender privilege is just nuts.


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No one cares about post count so it doesn't really matter.

Also... I'm not even on that privilege scale. I must have very little privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on July 10, 2013, 05:58:35 pm
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"I will only respect your legitimate battle for acceptance if you sniff my bullshit and call it gold."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 10, 2013, 06:01:08 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 05:40:14 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 10, 2013, 05:37:42 pm
Could I request we don't put so many pictures in one post? It makes it damn difficult to try to respond to a specific pic.
Sorry, I'm doing lots in one post mainly so I don't get accused of posting less in one post to post more. And yeah, transgender privilege is just nuts.

There's no hurry, you can spread them out a bit.

Also:

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Black transmen have it so much better than white women[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 06:11:26 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 10, 2013, 05:55:55 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 05:40:14 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 10, 2013, 05:37:42 pm
Could I request we don't put so many pictures in one post? It makes it damn difficult to try to respond to a specific pic.

I will say that a lot of those with multiples, or transethnic, transdisabled (stop) seem to all be under 21 years old. And they all need psychiatric help.

Also:

(http://i.imgur.com/Vkehj.png)

That is one of the more normal about mes I've seen.

Also LOL transgender privilege. Ok.
Sorry, I'm doing lots in one post mainly so I don't get accused of posting less in one post to post more. And yeah, transgender privilege is just nuts.


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No one cares about post count so it doesn't really matter.

Also... I'm not even on that privilege scale. I must have very little privilege.
Ahh, okay. And neither am I, because apparently bisexuals don't exist.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on July 10, 2013, 06:12:50 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 10, 2013, 05:37:31 pm
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Damn. As I started reading, I was kinda hoping they meant they were in love with rocks.



I was kinda hoping it said "Lithpromantic."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 10, 2013, 06:18:06 pm
Can I just point out that there is no such thing as a FUCKING RACE BASED ON NATIONALITY!? 

Ironbite-we're all part of the human race...GET OVER IT!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 10, 2013, 06:19:56 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 03:40:35 pm
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This was even funnier when I honestly thought it ended with 'Transwalnut' I realize I missed it now, I've just never seen the trans-n business that specific before.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 06:27:44 pm
Quote from: Distind on July 10, 2013, 06:19:56 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 03:40:35 pm
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This was even funnier when I honestly thought it ended with 'Transwalnut' I realize I missed it now, I've just never seen the trans-n business that specific before.
Okay, I think I can breathe again. Distind, don't give them any ideas.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on July 10, 2013, 06:29:36 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 10, 2013, 05:37:31 pm
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Damn. As I started reading, I was kinda hoping they meant they were in love with rocks.

Sounds pretty much like a typical high schooler with a crush on someone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 10, 2013, 06:39:33 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 06:27:44 pm

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Y'know, if you use terms that are not in the standard vocabulary, it's important to take a second and make sure you can actually spell them properly. It took me a while to figure out that "transtrneidng" is supposed to be "trans-trending".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on July 10, 2013, 06:48:06 pm
The thing about "transethnic" is that there are situations where it can be legitimately used, like if someone was adopted by parents of a different race. Of course, that's not what they're talking about and these special snowflakes couldn't give two shits about how they're hurting people like that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 10, 2013, 07:06:38 pm
*stares at the topic with eyes glazed over*

...Oh!  I reached the end of the topic.

Sorry, for some reason the massive amounts of "arghbarfghl" from SJWs made my brain shut down.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 07:07:36 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 10, 2013, 07:09:37 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 10, 2013, 06:39:33 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 06:27:44 pm

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Y'know, if you use terms that are not in the standard vocabulary, it's important to take a second and make sure you can actually spell them properly. It took me a while to figure out that "transtrneidng" is supposed to be "trans-trending".

I like how no two spellings are the same.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 07:16:02 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 07:36:49 pm
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The story behind this one is that The Wachowski Brothers are now The Wachowskis, because Larry came out as trans and has been transitioning female (she's Lana, if you wondering). She has dreads, fuschia ones to be exact.

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"Mom, dad, I only want to fuck people I love." Problem. Motherfucking. Solved.

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"OH NO YOU SUPPORT US AND WANT US TO HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS, WHATEVER SHALL WE DO?!!?!" Also, Cisplaining. Fuck you.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Delirium on July 10, 2013, 07:47:07 pm
What pisses me off about the Arkh Project is that there really does need to be more queer/POC representation in video games and they took advantage of people's desire to be represented. The hubris involved was pretty funny (the person behind the Arkh Project was an "ideas person" who somehow thought they could pay other people to make a 3D triple-A RPG that would run on XBox Live, Windows and Mac with a budget of $100,000), but the fact that they preyed on people's good intentions and ran off with the money is infuriating.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 07:55:45 pm
Quote from: Delirium on July 10, 2013, 07:47:07 pm
What pisses me off about the Arkh Project is that there really does need to be more queer/POC representation in video games and they took advantage of people's desire to be represented. The hubris involved was pretty funny (the person behind the Arkh Project was an "ideas person" who somehow thought they could pay other people to make a 3D triple-A RPG that would run on XBox Live, Windows and Mac with a budget of $100,000), but the fact that they preyed on people's good intentions and ran off with the money is infuriating.
Damn. That sucks assballs.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 10, 2013, 08:02:54 pm
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I heard this was posted by kavitiya, whom I think is one of the more notorious SJWs on the Best of Social Justice blog.  I'm pretty sure I recognize it.

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I've never heard the whole story behind the Arkh Project, but if I remember correctly, the controversy and growing lack of support comes from the lack of progress in development.  I can't remember, but I think I heard that pretty much all they've done with the money is continue to put out "concept art," and haven't actually started on the actual game.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 08:16:09 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 10, 2013, 08:18:56 pm
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Long movies must be fun with this person.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 10, 2013, 08:23:27 pm
I...

I don't...

I think I'm even more scared of yaoi/slash fangirls than I was before.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 08:28:40 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 10, 2013, 08:18:56 pm
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Long movies must be fun with this person.
I almost spat juice on my computer.

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Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 10, 2013, 08:23:27 pm
I...

I don't...

I think I'm even more scared of yaoi/slash fangirls than I was before.
Over which pic? And, idm yaoi/shash fangirls. Many of my female friends are yaoi/slash fangirls (especially over Hetalia), and I myself am into some pairings (Loki/Iron Man and Marilyn Manson/Twiggy Ramirez especially).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 10, 2013, 08:33:30 pm
The funniest thing ever was when Arkh put out concept art for a character who was supposed to be representative of Japanese culture, and it turned out that the dress they were wearing was, in fact, traditionally worn in China, not Japan. Good job on avoiding stereotypes and cultural mash-ups, guys.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 08:39:15 pm
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This reminds me, I want leather pants.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 08:44:10 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 09:08:14 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 10, 2013, 09:53:17 pm
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Maybe it's just me, but 'really wanting to fuck' isn't the first thing I think of when I hear 'asexual.'

Sometimes I wonder what'll happen to these people if tumblr ever dies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 10:10:57 pm
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She's cute, too. Such a shame she's a bitch and insane.

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I get the point of being annoyed, but, over-the-top much?

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 10, 2013, 10:29:22 pm
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Now THAT is clever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 11:20:30 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 10, 2013, 11:32:54 pm
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Apparently not being attracted to her is everyone else's fault.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 10, 2013, 11:44:32 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 09:08:14 pm
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Minus the part about calling it oppression, this is perfectly valid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 11, 2013, 12:09:45 am
I am gonna start an Anti-Social Justice Parody Blog. In which I act rather like what these idiots think their "enemies" act like.

It is going to be so much fun. Just to see how many people on there I can "faux-trigger" and enrage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 11, 2013, 12:33:22 am
I have a question for the "die cis scum" people:

If they were to rule the world, at what age would a person be required to abandon their biological gender or be executed for being cis scum?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 11, 2013, 12:34:13 am
Quote from: niam2023 on July 11, 2013, 12:09:45 am
I am gonna start an Anti-Social Justice Parody Blog. In which I act rather like what these idiots think their "enemies" act like.

It is going to be so much fun. Just to see how many people on there I can "faux-trigger" and enrage.

Okay, the problem is that they won't KNOW it's a fake. All you'll be doing is validating their stupidity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 11, 2013, 12:53:12 am
One of the tags is "Itrollyou."

I...don't think it could be more obvious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 11, 2013, 01:33:23 am
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 01:42:30 am
Quote from: niam2023 on July 11, 2013, 12:53:12 am
One of the tags is "Itrollyou."

I...don't think it could be more obvious.
Link, please. I wanna see.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 11, 2013, 01:59:42 am
Behold the horror!

http://zoom000.tumblr.com/

Privilege...UNCHECKED! Patriarchy...ENFORCED! A thorough womanizer showing off an ill-gained body!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 02:02:55 am
Quote from: niam2023 on July 11, 2013, 01:59:42 am
Behold the horror!

http://zoom000.tumblr.com/

Privilege...UNCHECKED! Patriarchy...ENFORCED! A thorough womanizer showing off an ill-gained body!
Oh, that's fantastic.

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Fuck you. Even if Vinnie Vincent is irritating for completely different reasons, you don't fuck with Kiss.

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Look, speaking as a highly emotional depressed occasionally suicidal recovering self harmer, you do not need a goddamn label for being emotional.

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Well, if they forgot to ring me up, I wouldn't mention it even if the service was amazing. But, I'm poor anyways, so I need the cash.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 02:26:57 am
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You sound rather bothered to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 11, 2013, 02:28:12 am
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Those thighs are elephantine!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 02:54:39 am
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Fuck you ^_^

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 02:55:43 am
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Yla on July 11, 2013, 08:27:30 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 07:16:02 pm
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What's wrong with that? They're not screaming opression, they're calmly explaining their preferences. Why is this in this thread?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: anti-nonsense on July 11, 2013, 10:24:32 am
Quote from: niam2023 on July 11, 2013, 01:59:42 am
Behold the horror!

http://zoom000.tumblr.com/

Privilege...UNCHECKED! Patriarchy...ENFORCED! A thorough womanizer showing off an ill-gained body!

Thanks for the chuckle man, carry right on!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 11, 2013, 10:47:21 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 07:07:36 pm
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So you've got two possible games. One's a game in a horribly underserviced genre that's made by a guy who's proven himself a competent developer many times over in the past. The other is a rather uninteresting JRPG but a simple gimmick of having trans characters made by someone who clearly has no fucking clue what they're doing and as it turns out is simply scamming idiots out of their money.

Gee, can't imagine why the former is getting the most funding.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: anti-nonsense on July 11, 2013, 11:00:21 am
I think the idea that people in their thirties "shouldn't be playing video games anymore" is offensive as well, who are you to decide that somebody is too old for video games, you dickweed?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 01:50:14 pm
Quote from: Yla on July 11, 2013, 08:27:30 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 07:16:02 pm
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What's wrong with that? They're not screaming opression, they're calmly explaining their preferences. Why is this in this thread?
Because "dude" isn't a pronoun. I actually use it gender neutral myself. It's not a pronoun. You can't say "I am looking for dude" or "Hello, dude am PosthumanHeresy" or "Dude is hungry".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 11, 2013, 02:41:34 pm
Quote from: anti-nonsense on July 11, 2013, 11:00:21 am
I think the idea that people in their thirties "shouldn't be playing video games anymore" is offensive as well, who are you to decide that somebody is too old for video games, you dickweed?

It also has some unfortunate implications: our video game is really important culturally and is a major stepping stone to true trans and minority acceptance....unless you're more than 30 years old, in which case you're a weirdo who should just ignore it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 11, 2013, 02:44:34 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 01:50:14 pm
Quote from: Yla on July 11, 2013, 08:27:30 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 07:16:02 pm
What's wrong with that? They're not screaming opression, they're calmly explaining their preferences. Why is this in this thread?
Because "dude" isn't a pronoun. I actually use it gender neutral myself. It's not a pronoun. You can't say "I am looking for dude" or "Hello, dude am PosthumanHeresy" or "Dude is hungry".

A minor confusion of grammatical categories doesn't seem to qualify as "worst", though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 02:55:58 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 11, 2013, 02:44:34 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 01:50:14 pm
Quote from: Yla on July 11, 2013, 08:27:30 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 10, 2013, 07:16:02 pm
What's wrong with that? They're not screaming opression, they're calmly explaining their preferences. Why is this in this thread?
Because "dude" isn't a pronoun. I actually use it gender neutral myself. It's not a pronoun. You can't say "I am looking for dude" or "Hello, dude am PosthumanHeresy" or "Dude is hungry".

A minor confusion of grammatical categories doesn't seem to qualify as "worst", though.
Might not be the worst, but it's just silly. Less depressing than the others, too, so it's a nice "oh, that's not too bad".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 11, 2013, 04:11:57 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 02:26:57 am
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How do you even come to that conclusion? AGE IS NOT A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT, FFS.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 05:58:26 pm
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 11, 2013, 04:11:57 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 02:26:57 am
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How do you even come to that conclusion? AGE IS NOT A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT, FFS.
Glad that melted brains.

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I know a paedophile who repressed his urges and ignores them. He'd slap you upside the head.

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I'm confused.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 05:58:40 pm
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Hates men, cissexuals and heterosexuals. 2/3 for me ^_^

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It's Lady motherfucking Gaga. Why do you care?

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So, now suggesting the mentally ill get mental help from a mental health professional is "sanism"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 06:10:41 pm
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Social Justice train wreck!

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 11, 2013, 06:24:54 pm
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I wonder what an Asexual Pride Parade would look like.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 06:37:21 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 11, 2013, 06:24:54 pm
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I wonder what an Asexual Pride Parade would look like.
I want to see asexual porn.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 11, 2013, 06:57:36 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 05:58:40 pm
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Consensual pedophilia? Seriously?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 07:06:03 pm
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I don't have anything against non-binary people, but don't overeact like this.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 11, 2013, 07:21:33 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 07:06:03 pm
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Fun fact: In the least shocking twist mankind has seen, the girl who posted this was eventually discovered to be exaggerating her supposed poverty and pulled the standard "delete fucking everything" move when called out on it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 07:22:11 pm
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Quote from: thelegendofkungjew
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Quote from: serpentine-phenomena
I see a lot of demon-kin making posts about things such being rejected by god when they were alive as demons.

But what about those who don’t follow the Abrahamic god or don’t feel as if they were at any point under the command of either god or satan?

Its a bit uncomfortable to think about, as…


Hell isn’t as people imagine. There are many different places, like counties in hell. I lived on Lucifers archipelago, a green place next to the blue sea. A little way along was a whole mechanical county. The flowers were metal and worked like clockwork, opening and closing with the day and night. They even had mechanical humming birds. :) There are lands that look like this world and others that are beyond human comprehension.

The fallen live along side the native demons, fall in love, have families, have jobs. If you ever want to talk about it I’m right here. :)

Also, Lucifer is not Satan.  Depending on the scholar, the term ‘Lucifer’ refers to Venus or a Babylonian King.  But I’d assume if you really were a demon in a past life or whatever that you’d know this already.
I like how, you know, in the religion that came up with Satan, Satan isn’t an entity.  Like Baal, Satan is a metaphor, a loose concept used to flesh out esoteric ideas and, really, a literary figure, nothing more.

Satan is a metaphor.

Christians write their fan-fiction and, suddenly, a bunch of dipshit middle-class crotchfruits think they’re living the myth and just…  No.

Very no.


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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 11, 2013, 07:44:25 pm
I've never really understood the whole otherkin stuff. To me, it just looks like a whole bunch of people going 'omg i do x i muuuust really be a wolf/dragon/whatever.' I'm just waiting to see someone claim they're really a pony from Equestria.

Also, just wondering, but where do you manage to find all these PosthumanHeresy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 07:47:03 pm
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 11, 2013, 07:44:25 pm
I've never really understood the whole otherkin stuff. To me, it just looks like a whole bunch of people going 'omg i do x i muuuust really be a wolf/dragon/whatever.' I'm just waiting to see someone claim they're really a pony from Equestria.

Also, just wondering, but where do you manage to find all these PosthumanHeresy?
Actually, there are several of those, and some Homestuck trolls, too. As for where I've been finding these, WTF Social Justice (http://wtfsocialjustice.tumblr.com/) and Social Justice Receipts (http://socialjusticereceipts.tumblr.com/).

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 11, 2013, 07:54:21 pm
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Well, I like boobs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 11, 2013, 07:55:06 pm
........*facepalms, then has a drink*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Valerius on July 11, 2013, 07:56:34 pm
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 11, 2013, 07:44:25 pm
Also, just wondering, but where do you manage to find all these PosthumanHeresy?

I was wondering the same. It looks like he could pretty much single-handedly keep this thread going for a good while.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 11, 2013, 07:59:45 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 07:47:03 pm
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I've seen this before, but never noticed that it was written by a man until now. Christ, that adds a whole new layer of condescension to it.

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I'm 99% sure this a troll. Still hilarious, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 08:02:03 pm
Prepare for anger:

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Arabs? What's an Arab?

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Quote from: Valerius on July 11, 2013, 07:56:34 pm
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 11, 2013, 07:44:25 pm
Also, just wondering, but where do you manage to find all these PosthumanHeresy?

I was wondering the same. It looks like he could pretty much single-handedly keep this thread going for a good while.
There's a lot of anti-Social Justice blogs. They post images. I've got plenty more. I find these people amusing, and I'm not just blindly copying. There are some I leave because I actually agree with them, and even some I put in "Best" (like the Africa map or the one about periods).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 11, 2013, 08:03:47 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 07:47:03 pm
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I'd really like to know how I benefit from pedophilia.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 08:20:05 pm
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 11, 2013, 08:03:47 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 07:47:03 pm
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I'd really like to know how I benefit from pedophilia.
I'm curious, too.

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So, do MRAs need MRAism if their university is named after a girl? You know, I supported Princess Peachie's "I need feminism" pic, but you're an idiot.

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Oh please. I'm a white guy. I certainly couldn't walk through Albany alone at night. Only people I know who can walk through Albany late at night are groups and a teenage girl with a 50 year old father who is a huge badass motherfucker.

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Sleep in the car, then, bitch.

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I don't make fun of the mentally disabled, but I also don't flip shit when someone makes a joke like that.

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Does that make the people who talk about "Thin Privilege" nymphos? Because now I'm going to go find brain bleach.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 11, 2013, 08:25:50 pm
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If I ever have to walk around my neighborhood at night, I always have a large knife on me (legally carried with the hilt and sheath visible in my pocket; it's only illegal for me to carry it concealed). When I get my CCW permit, it'll be replaced with a handgun.

Not because my neighborhood is especially dangerous. Just because I don't want to be anywhere alone at night without something to defend myself with.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on July 11, 2013, 08:28:16 pm
I love how the anti-PIV sex guy is a virgin. He doesn't know anything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 08:31:16 pm
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You've never seen my best friend's family. Your temper tantrum will never beat anything her brother or sister do.

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Wat?

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I'm sorry, did I just walk into True Blood or the Buffy Season 8/9 comics?

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I'm 5'6. Tall privilege is bullshit. You do not speak for all short people.

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Still fat, still think you people are full of shit.

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Dammit therans, I do my damnedest to treat you like anyone else with a non-impairing mental illness, but it's really fucking hard when you do this.

Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 11, 2013, 08:25:50 pm
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If I ever have to walk around my neighborhood at night, I always have a large knife on me (legally carried with the hilt and sheath visible in my pocket; it's only illegal for me to carry it concealed). When I get my CCW permit, it'll be replaced with a handgun.

Not because my neighborhood is especially dangerous. Just because I don't want to be anywhere alone at night without something to defend myself with.
I don't typically walk around at night, and even then, I wouldn't carry my combat knife on me, but I at least always have a Swiss Army knife in my jacket, both for preparedness and in case of emergency. It's not much, but better than nothing (and I use it for other shit usually).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 11, 2013, 08:40:13 pm
Regarding the Redd image: Redd also once referred to a Native woman as a "colonizer" for disagreeing with her about some minor issue. What makes it particularly fucked up is that Redd herself is, like, 95% white (and that's assuming that she's even right about having a distant Taino and/or Afro-cuban ancestor, which is pure speculation on her part).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 08:47:55 pm
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Okay, I'm going to focus on my York peppermint paddies, my 10 calorie Monster and Rammstein.

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I hope this is a parody. I hope.

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Quote from: melancholic-anarchist

I can never fully respect a anyone who isnt vegan.

i know that sounds horrible, but when you think about it, its like asking someone to respect hitler.


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I give multiples the benefit of the doubt. That said, you're so full of shit, you are made of shit. Penn and Teller would say you're too much bullshit for them. As the Bullshit Man would say: "You know what buuuuuulshit? You!"

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Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 11, 2013, 08:40:13 pm
Regarding the Redd image: Redd also once referred to a Native woman as a "colonizer" for disagreeing with her about some minor issue. What makes it particularly fucked up is that Redd herself is, like, 95% white (and that's assuming that she's even right about having a distant Taino and/or Afro-cuban ancestor, which is pure speculation on her part).
Yeah, I heard about Redd being white. I'm less white than her, due to actually having a Seminole tribeswoman in my family tree several years ago and an Italian grandmother, and I don't act like that, so, Redd can bugger off.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 08:59:25 pm
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Are you fucking stupid? Or do you just try to act like a failed fetal alcohol syndrome abortion that was shaken like a soda bottle and then dropped?

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Both of you, sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.

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Both of you, shut the fuck down and sit the fuck up.

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Oh please.

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...I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on July 11, 2013, 09:02:13 pm
Not trying to sound like a dick in any way, but could you possibly cut down the number of things you post? It's gotten difficult to read and discuss. (I really mean this in the nicest way possible.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 11, 2013, 09:04:28 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 08:31:16 pm
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These kind of people really bug me. You're not 'FTMTF,' you're just trying to be special.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 09:14:03 pm
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Arkh Project dialog. Funny, I've heard hentai better written. I've written better fanfic porn.

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Okay, I laughed.

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Razors, lasers and cream. Okay, that sounds like a weird-ass song title.

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Quote from: Sleepy on July 11, 2013, 09:02:13 pm
Not trying to sound like a dick in any way, but could you possibly cut down the number of things you post? It's gotten difficult to read and discuss. (I really mean this in the nicest way possible.)
I've been trying to reduce the number of pictures in a single post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 09:16:13 pm
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Okay, I'll admit, I do have a weird thing about always feeling like there's creepy shit going down in straight couples just below the surface but not gay/lesbian couples and generally preferring the latter, but I don't give a shit about race and I certainly wouldn't be a dick over straight couples, because I know it's illogical.

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This post fucking sucks, it sucking fucks and I don't like it.

Quote from: meravie

Pokemon without a gender can’t use the move ‘attract’

#ThisIsBinarism
#BoycottNintendo

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 09:23:23 pm
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Being on your blog while you bitch = rape.

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Capitalists freak me out too, but you don't need a trigger warning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 11, 2013, 09:26:26 pm
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I actually think this is a troll post. It's intentionally structured exactly like the "Racism is prejudice + power. I don't care about your individual experience, POC cannot be racist" posts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 09:31:51 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 11, 2013, 09:26:26 pm
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I actually think this is a troll post. It's intentionally structured exactly like the "Racism is prejudice + power. I don't care about your individual experience, POC cannot be racist" posts.
Possibly, but that's the problem with Poes. You can't really tell.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 11, 2013, 09:47:09 pm
Better yet...COULD YOU WAIT BETWEEN POSTS!?

Ironbite-jesus that can almost be considered spamming.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 09:49:28 pm
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Quote from: ironbite on July 11, 2013, 09:47:09 pm
Better yet...COULD YOU WAIT BETWEEN POSTS!?

Ironbite-jesus that can almost be considered spamming.
Sorry. I had had a big one and by splitting it up it formed more than I intended. Not trying to spam.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on July 11, 2013, 09:56:02 pm
Just read through all of this, mind slowing down a tad, Posthuman? There are a few things I wanted to address, being the Token Levelheaded Therian of the forum, but I couldn't find the posts when I went to quote. Actually, I'll address one thing right now: we are most emphatically *ahem* NOT OPPRESSED. That is all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 09:58:56 pm
Quote from: Randomwolf42 on July 11, 2013, 09:56:02 pm
Just read through all of this, mind slowing down a tad, Posthuman? There are a few things I wanted to address, being the Token Levelheaded Therian of the forum, but I couldn't find the posts when I went to quote. Actually, I'll address one thing right now: we are most emphatically *ahem* NOT OPPRESSED. That is all.
Okay, sorry. Stomach aches, boredom and general nothing-to-do leads to this, and then I get annoyed when I see I have 20 images on standby. And yeah, I have no problems with therians, and pretty much see it the same way I see transsexuality or anything like that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on July 11, 2013, 10:14:31 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 09:58:56 pm
And yeah, I have no problems with therians, and pretty much see it the same way I see transsexuality or anything like that.

/me facepalms
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 10:23:35 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on July 11, 2013, 10:14:31 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 09:58:56 pm
And yeah, I have no problems with therians, and pretty much see it the same way I see transsexuality or anything like that.

/me facepalms
I don't see them discriminated the same, but I don't feel it's right to immediately go "Nope, doesn't exist" without research. The human mind is too complex to just "Nope, doesn't exist" without research. Therefore, until it is scientifically disproven, I will see it as any other mental differentiation from what is seen as the norm, because I have no proof it does not exist. Due to the fact we can't read minds, when it comes to psychology, the burden of proof is on the person saying something does not exist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 11, 2013, 10:27:00 pm
Protip for PosthumanHeresy:

It's not a good idea compare transsexuality and therianthropy/otherkin.  Therianthropy/Otherkin is a spiritual thing (despite the Tumblrkin trying to hijack the trans movement, and the belief of certain otherkin that the tumblrkin are hijacking the otherkin movement too).  Transsexuality is a biological thing.  The two are about as similar as potatoes and tomatos.

...Probably less similar, actually.

It also makes resident therians feel awkward and resident QueenofHearts angry.

Besides, we've had this argument before and both sides felt pretty disgruntled about it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on July 11, 2013, 10:28:04 pm
I actually have a thread about this a few pages back in this section, and for all the differences I have with Queen regarding this, I do kinda see why she facepalmed. Y'see, there's a certain sector of the therian community that tries to piggyback off of the real struggles that transpeople face every day and claim they face the same discrimination. Largely because of that, I at least try to discourage comparisons to transpeople, because it's kind of a different thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 11, 2013, 10:29:45 pm
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Actually, I want this shirt now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 11, 2013, 10:31:04 pm
Also, Posthuman?

Could you stop flooding the thread with images?  We can't discuss them because there's far too many per post, and far too many posts per row.  This isn't an official rule, but I'd like to ask you to keep it down to about three images per post, and not post several times in a row as well.  Wait for people to react.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 10:32:20 pm
Quote from: Randomwolf42 on July 11, 2013, 10:28:04 pm
I actually have a thread about this a few pages back in this section, and for all the differences I have with Queen regarding this, I do kinda see why she facepalmed. Y'see, there's a certain sector of the therian community that tries to piggyback off of the real struggles that transpeople face every day and claim they face the same discrimination. Largely because of that, I at least try to discourage comparisons to transpeople, because it's kind of a different thing.
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 11, 2013, 10:27:00 pm
Protip for PosthumanHeresy:

It's not a good idea compare transsexuality and therianthropy/otherkin.  Therianthropy/Otherkin is a spiritual thing (despite the Tumblrkin trying to hijack the trans movement, and the belief of certain otherkin that the tumblrkin are hijacking the otherkin movement too).  Transsexuality is a biological thing.  The two are about as similar as potatoes and tomatos.

...Probably less similar, actually.

It also makes resident therians feel awkward and resident QueenofHearts angry.

Besides, we've had this argument before and both sides felt pretty disgruntled about it.
I get what you two are saying, and I understand. My comment wasn't comparing the two in any way besides for the fact that, in my mindset, they are differentiations in the mind and therefore I don't dismiss them, but I could quite easily see how that could be misconstrued, especially with all the dumbasses that take it further. The only thing I see in common is it's stuff to do with that weird, irritating thing known as the human mind. I do not intend to offend. I look at many things from a more psychological view than an emotional or spiritual mindset, and am more likely to notice similarities like that than anything else. That was purely my intent.
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 11, 2013, 10:31:04 pm
Also, Posthuman?

Could you stop flooding the thread with images?  We can't discuss them because there's far too many per post, and far too many posts per row.  This isn't an official rule, but I'd like to ask you to keep it down to about three images per post, and not post several times in a row as well.  Wait for people to react.
Okay, sorry. I'm not trying to make people mad or spam or anything or flood the thread. Sorry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 11, 2013, 10:37:57 pm
I think you came after the wonder that was the old social justice thread got tossed to the lox'd box, post human. If you're bored it's still there to read. 300 pages of "O_o how crazy are you people?!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 10:41:37 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 11, 2013, 10:37:57 pm
I think you came after the wonder that was the old social justice thread got tossed to the lox'd box, post human. If you're bored it's still there to read. 300 pages of "O_o how crazy are you people?!"
Yeah. June 30th 2013. Yes, I post a lot. I don't have much to do and everything interests me. On the downside, I have so many SJW images on standby already. Sounds like a fun read, just afraid of how many I'd have open, lol. I currently have 30 tabs or so of various things. Ten are images, and two are anti-SJW blogs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 11, 2013, 11:05:01 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on July 11, 2013, 09:02:13 pm
Not trying to sound like a dick in any way, but could you possibly cut down the number of things you post? It's gotten difficult to read and discuss. (I really mean this in the nicest way possible.)

I'm going to have to agree here. Just try to take it down a couple of notches.

Anyway, back on topic:

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Guys don't call her cis! It lessens her victimhood status.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on July 11, 2013, 11:08:21 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 10:23:35 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on July 11, 2013, 10:14:31 pm
/me facepalms
I don't see them discriminated the same, but I don't feel it's right to immediately go "Nope, doesn't exist" without research. The human mind is too complex to just "Nope, doesn't exist" without research. Therefore, until it is scientifically disproven, I will see it as any other mental differentiation from what is seen as the norm, because I have no proof it does not exist. Due to the fact we can't read minds, when it comes to psychology, the burden of proof is on the person saying something does not exist.

The two are nothing alike. Transsexuality is very real and (I'm just gonna say it) theriantropy is just a result of an over active imagination. Second, the burden of proof is on them to prove it's legit. You know, get recognition from the general body of psychology and what not... Putting the burden of proof on the person saying otherwise legitimizes all those nuts on Tumblr with their headmates who identify as the Sun and Hulk Hogan.

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 11, 2013, 10:27:00 pm
It also makes resident therians feel awkward and resident QueenofHearts angry.

Oh, wow, take a little potshot at me. Say "it makes Queen angry" instead of "it's offensive to trans-people." Whatever. I am angry. I told you in Random's thread that saying "I can't help it, I want to be a mogwai, otherkin struggles" would cause people to compare otherkinism to gender dysphoria. Compare overactive imaginations to real life threatening problems and that this diminishes the severity of gender dysphoria. You said otherwise... And here we are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 11:17:21 pm
But, wouldn't your identity be oppressed? I'd love for her to meet this crazy:

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Quote from: QueenofHearts on July 11, 2013, 11:08:21 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 10:23:35 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on July 11, 2013, 10:14:31 pm
/me facepalms
I don't see them discriminated the same, but I don't feel it's right to immediately go "Nope, doesn't exist" without research. The human mind is too complex to just "Nope, doesn't exist" without research. Therefore, until it is scientifically disproven, I will see it as any other mental differentiation from what is seen as the norm, because I have no proof it does not exist. Due to the fact we can't read minds, when it comes to psychology, the burden of proof is on the person saying something does not exist.

The two are nothing alike. Transsexuality is very real and (I'm just gonna say it) theriantropy is just a result of an over active imagination. Second, the burden of proof is on them to prove it's legit. You know, get recognition from the general body of psychology and what not... Putting the burden of proof on the person saying otherwise legitimizes all those nuts on Tumblr with their headmates who identify as the Sun and Hulk Hogan.

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 11, 2013, 10:27:00 pm
It also makes resident therians feel awkward and resident QueenofHearts angry.

Oh, wow, take a little potshot at me. Say "it makes Queen angry" instead of "it's offensive to trans-people." Whatever. I am angry. I told you in Random's thread that saying "I can't help it, I want to be a mogwai, otherkin struggles" would cause people to compare otherkinism to gender dysphoria. Compare overactive imaginations to real life threatening problems and that this diminishes the severity of gender dysphoria. You said otherwise... And here we are.
DID is a real mental illness. Has it become a fad? Yes. This has happened before, right after Sybil came out. I'm still not going to dismiss the idea that someone might have a different mental wiring than the usual without proof, because no matter who you do that to, it is unfair. It might be an overactive imagination, or it might be a different mental wiring. Many mental disorders/syndromes/illnesses (I dislike using the terms mental disorder or mental illness when talking about this stuff, because it's just offensive) are cultural or non-genetic or a mixture of culture, genes and upbringing. Chances are, therans are a mix of culture and upbringing. That does not make it any less legitimate as a mental condition. If someone legitimately believes that they are mentally another species, then they are not "normal" (whatever that is). That is just how psychology works. Therans are still less odd than the Jumping Frenchmen of Maine, and that seriously happened. If that can happen, I don't think therans are too unlikely. That being said, they have not nearly faced the kind of discrimination transexuals have. They have not faced the struggles or trials that transexuals have, nor the hatred or bigoty. The ones that think they have are friggin wrong as hell. And, the general body of psychology needs to be aware of it to study it, and there have been one or two studies that did support it's existence. It's just not really noticed yet. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. As for otherkin, yeah, way less likely. Queen, I legitimately respect you, and I don't plan on trying to insult you. I wasn't aiming to in the first place.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 11, 2013, 11:18:49 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on July 11, 2013, 11:08:21 pm
Oh, wow, take a little potshot at me.

Actually I was being respectful to the fact that it makes you angry, and thus is not a subject to be broached carelessly like Posthuman did.

You as a person, the whole package.

There's also the fact that there's other trans people on this forum who aren't offended by otherkin so "it's offensive to transpeople" isn't exactly an accurate statement.

However, if you want to interpret a statement indicating that I'm thinking of your emotions as an attack, feel free.  Obviously I respect you far more than you respect me.

Regardless, I'm not here to have a pissing contest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Otend on July 11, 2013, 11:20:45 pm
i'm going to use my bimonthly post to say this

not this shit again, you guys.

seriously, we've already had this argument, and you're going to ruin a perfectly decent thread dedicated to mocking people so that we can have an argument repeated from months ago.  we will go through the same motions, the same people will shout, et cetera.  let's just call it quits now so we can resume laughing at people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 11, 2013, 11:21:46 pm
It's worth pointing out that you don't need to read minds to test the legitimacy of either transsexualism or "transspeciesism". Among other things, we have MRI scans showing that trans people have brain structure more closely resembling that of their identified gender than their biological sex, so it follows that we should be able to do the same with therians; yet no one has managed to produce any evidence of a human with non-human brain structure.

Edit: Also, most of the evidence points to transsexualism being neurological in origin, rather than psychological (not that there aren't psychological aspects; it's just that the root cause seems to be primarily in how the brain develops).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 11, 2013, 11:30:16 pm
Yeah I don't believe transspecies are a legitimate thing either.  Every human when forming has the capacity for the hormones/brain pathing/etc of either gender.  They don't have the capacity or the hormones/brain pathing/etc of non-human animals.  That's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 11:31:09 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 11, 2013, 11:21:46 pm
It's worth pointing out that you don't need to read minds to test the legitimacy of either transsexualism or "transspeciesism". Among other things, we have MRI scans showing that trans people have brain structure more closely resembling that of their identified gender than their biological sex, so it follows that we should be able to do the same with therians; yet no one has managed to produce any evidence of a human with non-human brain structure.

Edit: Also, most of the evidence points to transsexualism being neurological in origin, rather than psychological.
Well, it would be interesting to do MRI scans on therans. And, that seems pretty logical, since it is pretty much an alternate wiring. I'm really not looking for a debate on the origins of various mental conditions, but if theranophy (wait, Chrome recognizes it as a word? Huh) is not neurological, than the best description I can come up with it is the delusion that one is an animal trapped in a human body. The problem I have is that general society has stigmatized the word "delusion", and I generally think, if it is real (that is, if it happens in a reasonable number of people, is consistently described with similar symptoms and cannot be proven to be made up, which theranophy fits), then it is harmless, if abnormal. In my honest opinion, it's a non-genetic mental disorder, and I feel like the causes may be connected to a general outcast nature, with a disconnect from humanity forming. But, again, this requires tons of research. That being said, with it existing across multiple nations, in people of various genders, ages, races, upbringings and mental states, but with a similar background and generation, it seems that it's most likely induced, not genetic.

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 11, 2013, 11:30:16 pm
Yeah I don't believe transspecies are a legitimate thing either.  Every human when forming has the capacity for the hormones/brain pathing/etc of either gender.  They don't have the capacity or the hormones/brain pathing/etc of non-human animals.  That's just ridiculous.
I agree. Ergo, not neurological.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 11, 2013, 11:38:36 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 11, 2013, 11:30:16 pm
Yeah I don't believe transspecies are a legitimate thing either.  Every human when forming has the capacity for the hormones/brain pathing/etc of either gender.  They don't have the capacity or the hormones/brain pathing/etc of non-human animals.  That's just ridiculous.

Precisely. I can buy that someone might psychologically identify with an animal for whatever reason, but it's not at all the same thing as being trans gender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 11:48:01 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 11, 2013, 11:38:36 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 11, 2013, 11:30:16 pm
Yeah I don't believe transspecies are a legitimate thing either.  Every human when forming has the capacity for the hormones/brain pathing/etc of either gender.  They don't have the capacity or the hormones/brain pathing/etc of non-human animals.  That's just ridiculous.

Precisely. I can buy that someone might psychologically identify with an animal for whatever reason, but it's not at all the same thing as being trans gender.
I agree. When I compare the two, I am simply saying the both occur in the mind. That being said, I believe therans exist due to sociological factors, not genetic. Many mental disorders are sociological, and even local/cultural. Things like the Middle Ages "Glass delusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_delusion)", for example. Quoting Wikipedia here: "The glass delusion was an external manifestation of a psychiatric disorder recorded in Europe in the late Middle Ages (15th to 17th centuries).[1] People feared that they were made of glass “and therefore likely to shatter into pieces”. One famous early sufferer was King Charles VI of France who refused to allow people to touch him, and wore reinforced clothing to protect himself from accidental “shattering”."

Now, this shares traits with theranophy. First off, it is a disorder that has people believing that they are something they scientifically cannot be, despite all the obvious evidence. Additionally, it was almost exclusively found in the wealthy and educated, much in the same way theranophy is found amongst outcasts and misfits typically. So, Queen, you are right. Transsexualism and theranophy are not similar. Somehow, I think this might piss more people off, but this is what I feel is the most logical conclusion. That said, I have no problem with therans, and don't hate them for existing. Trying to act like they're a vastly hated group, on the other hand, triggers my "crowbar to the knees" reflex.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 11, 2013, 11:50:01 pm
Glad we're all on the same page, then. :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on July 11, 2013, 11:55:36 pm
Small picky point, I'm a grammar commie, so bear with me. It's therian (note the i) and therianthropy. And unfortunately firefox recognizes neither of them. I'm kind of an ass when it comes to people spelling things correctly, sorry. Also maybe we should continue this in  my thread (http://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=2636.0) and leave this thread to the Worst of Social Justice. (I'm of the opinion that this isn't really related to Social Justice anyway, because we're, again, not oppressed.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 11:57:52 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 11, 2013, 11:50:01 pm
Glad we're all on the same page, then. :)
Yeah, seems like it. Just to make sure, I'll just quickly summarise my conclusion (also useful if people don't want to read my overly long posts).
* Theranophy is a societal mental disorder, not neurological.
* Typically exists amongst outcasts and misfits.
* Not widely discriminated against.
* Quite similar to the Middle Ages Glass delusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_delusion).
* Therefore, exists, but is a delusion, like the aforementioned or the mostly-dead clinical lycanthropy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_lycanthropy) (yes, that exists, and psychologists agree on that one, too, so no arguing it). Okay, now that I think about it, I should have brought that up before.

So yes, theronphy is a literal sign of the times.

Quote from: Randomwolf42 on July 11, 2013, 11:55:36 pm
Small picky point, I'm a grammar commie, so bear with me. It's therian (note the i) and therianthropy. And unfortunately firefox recognizes neither of them. I'm kind of an ass when it comes to people spelling things correctly, sorry. Also maybe we should continue this in  my thread (http://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=2636.0) and leave this thread to the Worst of Social Justice. (I'm of the opinion that this isn't really related to Social Justice anyway, because we're, again, not oppressed.)
Oh, derp. My eyes completely glossed over that. My bad (and I'm usually the same). And, this should be my final post on the subject, barring anyone else weighing in.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Radiation on July 12, 2013, 12:01:14 am
Quote from: Otend on July 11, 2013, 11:20:45 pm
i'm going to use my bimonthly post to say this

not this shit again, you guys.

seriously, we've already had this argument, and you're going to ruin a perfectly decent thread dedicated to mocking people so that we can have an argument repeated from months ago.  we will go through the same motions, the same people will shout, et cetera.  let's just call it quits now so we can resume laughing at people.

I'm going to agree with Otend on this...let's move on from the... transgender vs. theriantrophy...debate and move on before it gets ugly.

That said... what's with this "erasure" concept? I don't get it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 12:06:19 am
Quote from: Neverland on July 12, 2013, 12:01:14 am
Quote from: Otend on July 11, 2013, 11:20:45 pm
i'm going to use my bimonthly post to say this

not this shit again, you guys.

seriously, we've already had this argument, and you're going to ruin a perfectly decent thread dedicated to mocking people so that we can have an argument repeated from months ago.  we will go through the same motions, the same people will shout, et cetera.  let's just call it quits now so we can resume laughing at people.

I'm going to agree with Otend on this...let's move on from the... transgender vs. theriantrophy...debate and move on before it gets ugly.

That said... what's with this "erasure" concept? I don't get it.
I'm going to agree with moving on. I personally have found a satisfactory explanation for it and hopefully have made convincing points. Also, I have no clue.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/5aa764e88c37481681d4a68cf4c5ff4d/tumblr_mis7b6t6Eq1rxv81fo1_500.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/04ce735b2495c70e3371778824881cd3/tumblr_miqng3z0sm1rxv81fo1_500.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1b711baf32bd9600143562762f8c6943/tumblr_mglch301Q31ryeto5o1_500.png)
Oh please, nobody ever gets my last name right (it is in German), and even my best friend, who has a common German last name, has the same problem. For first names, I'd like you to know that psychologists conducted studies that proved "ethnic" names make you less likely to get hired, even if you have the exact same resume as a non-ethnic named person. So, yes, it's a problem. You can help your children by not naming them those.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Radiation on July 12, 2013, 12:19:28 am
Seems like a lot of these SJWs have some sort of weird, Peter Pan Syndrome, adult child type of thing going on alongside using tumblr as their strange, demented,  uber-politically correct, special identity masturbating Neverland.

Did I get that right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 12, 2013, 12:22:05 am
I pissed off a SJW so much that they screen capped it. Am I Tumblr famous now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 12, 2013, 12:23:00 am
Quote from: Neverland on July 12, 2013, 12:01:14 am
That said... what's with this "erasure" concept? I don't get it.

"Erasure" more or less refers to anything that implicitly dismisses either a person's experiences with prejudice or the existence of a marginalized group.

So, for instance, saying that all men have penises and all women have vaginas erases trans people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 12:24:26 am
Quote from: Neverland on July 12, 2013, 12:19:28 am
Seems like a lot of these SJWs have some sort of weird, Peter Pan Syndrome, adult child type of thing going on alongside using tumblr as their strange, demented,  uber-politically correct, special identity masturbating Neverland.

Did I get that right?
I don't see a Peter Pan Syndrome amongst most of them (in fact, the only person I can think of with that is CWC). That said, they're certainly mentally ill, even if it isn't what they think it is.

(http://i.imgur.com/pAXk6.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/gnCPq.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/wPcmQ.jpg?1)

Quote from: thejebusfire on July 12, 2013, 12:22:05 am
I pissed off a SJW so much that they screen capped it. Am I Tumblr famous now?
Yes, but only if you post it so we can see.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 12, 2013, 12:32:43 am
Quote from: Neverland on July 12, 2013, 12:19:28 am
strange, demented,  uber-politically correct, special identity masturbating Neverland.

*looks at username*

Oh, hilarity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 12:44:53 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/c2b7f262d264325ab2caceb594c9c197/tumblr_mf3ul2EDdo1rxv81fo1_500.jpg)
What a derpy post written by a derp.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c1e6752b2b5304e51ae71fe74221bb26/tumblr_mf3cvoozVM1ryeto5o1_500.png)
No! You do not defile Stitch like that.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/7e5f201948f876bb1100d19c3e44b0c7/tumblr_merdvflIdR1rxwjfno1_500.png)
Sounds like these fucking assholes are butthurt.

Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut. The utopia of a SJA (http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 12, 2013, 01:10:45 am
Just because Abercrombie and Fitch has such a person in charge of it, and such reputation of being "cool kids only", I think I'll shop there and get clothes from them.

And then post pictures of me in A&F duds. Just to piss off the Tumblr SJWs.

I need to add more "privilege" to my Anti-SJW blog.

Speaking of which! http://zoom000.tumblr.com/ I updated today.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 12, 2013, 01:18:54 am
Here is the screenshot:
(http://media.tumblr.com/4c15393a2a19e171d426b847037581f2/tumblr_inline_mpsm2cb2tE1qz4rgp.png)

And here is their retort, which they so conveniently cut out:

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No, these are reasons that I am NOT an anti-sj. You’ve just listed something that only an anti-sj would do. Pay closer attention, okay?

So you're just ignoring the fact that it's often the "social justice" types who tell people to kill themselves?

The fact that they screencapped it doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that its the first screenshot they used on their little master post of "lying anti-sj bullies" of which one of the opening statements was this, "No because all anti-sj are lying heartless bullies. Here is my proof:"

And I think it's interesting that they started off with my post because, my response wasn't to bully them, I wasn't being heartless or lying about anything, and I'm not even an anti-sj blog (so I guess that makes them a liar).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 01:25:42 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/bbae52e18a9db7f8a23b67e622918791/tumblr_mi6yk8vrN61rxwjfno1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/8b551df352ed212b067dd0bd1ea769dc/tumblr_meov9swamW1rxv81fo1_500.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/TdjRr.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 12, 2013, 09:58:05 am
One day I really should go down this thread and mark everything I think is perfectly reasonable. But today is not that day!

In the meantime, this:
(http://i.imgur.com/pAXk6.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 12, 2013, 10:23:23 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 11:57:52 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/cbaac6dec4566c65ea99b655dd0fb572/tumblr_mfvqk6K7Jw1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Wow, this one is sexist towards men (the 'they can't be raped' thing) and women (by saying only men can defend themselves). I wonder if these people realize they're hurting their cause more than they're helping it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 12, 2013, 11:07:20 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 01:25:42 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/bbae52e18a9db7f8a23b67e622918791/tumblr_mi6yk8vrN61rxwjfno1_1280.png)


Not sure that qualifies other than telling a story about bad SJ.
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 12, 2013, 10:23:23 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 11:57:52 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/cbaac6dec4566c65ea99b655dd0fb572/tumblr_mfvqk6K7Jw1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Wow, this one is sexist towards men (the 'they can't be raped' thing) and women (by saying only men can defend themselves). I wonder if these people realize they're hurting their cause more than they're helping it.

Basically.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 12, 2013, 11:09:09 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/b20059fa150a3f5d432ca5b9bd339ece/tumblr_mo1xcoPl9v1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://media.tumblr.com/c2341a1e39c79d8fb7d4361d12891df9/tumblr_inline_mo0390rvw11qz4rgp.png)
(http://media.tumblr.com/427cbfcc51d57c42fb2c74d00b750aa6/tumblr_inline_mo0392V5w91qz4rgp.png)
(http://media.tumblr.com/258115eab4ff7a29c56d5025d7b6b922/tumblr_inline_mo03970Kd31qz4rgp.png)
(http://media.tumblr.com/62856d95b6a57044ec867dde6ab35335/tumblr_inline_mo03bcGIyY1qz4rgp.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 12, 2013, 11:16:32 am
I'm ableist against myself? Internalized ableism? ???
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 12, 2013, 11:19:13 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 12, 2013, 11:16:32 am
I'm ableist against myself? Internalized ableism? ???

So, you're an ableist Uncle Tom?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 12, 2013, 11:28:22 am
I don't think I've ever heard of any actual disabled people get angry at someone walking up a flight of stairs or something like that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 12, 2013, 11:33:36 am
That cartoon had to do with what a moron the guy in blue is. It's typical SJW thinking. Whine and bitch about things that mean nothing (Oh my god, you called someone an idiot! Don't you know that's ableist against the cognitively challenged?!) And ignore real problems (gee, where's the wheelchair ramp?).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 12, 2013, 11:38:54 am
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 12, 2013, 11:28:22 am
I don't think I've ever heard of any actual disabled people get angry at someone walking up a flight of stairs or something like that.
I've seen it, but it takes a special kind of asshole to do it. Typically involves someone using the phrase "Hey look at what I can do". Turns out the answer was fall down the stairs when three people decide to push you back down them at the same time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 12, 2013, 11:41:39 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 12, 2013, 11:33:36 am
That cartoon had to do with what a moron the guy in blue is. It's typical SJW thinking. Whine and bitch about things that mean nothing (Oh my god, you called someone an idiot! Don't you know that's ableist against the cognitively challenged?!) And ignore real problems (gee, where's the wheelchair ramp?).

I know, I was talking more generally rather than in response to that picture.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 12, 2013, 11:48:50 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 12, 2013, 11:19:13 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 12, 2013, 11:16:32 am
I'm ableist against myself? Internalized ableism? ???

So, you're an ableist Uncle Tom?

Apparently. Learn something new every day.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on July 12, 2013, 12:05:47 pm
Yeah, honestly, what's that doing in the 'Worst' thread? From here, it seemed to make a good point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 12, 2013, 12:25:08 pm
I think that the second picture was a response to the first.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 12, 2013, 01:03:47 pm
Quote from: Alkaline on July 12, 2013, 12:05:47 pm
Yeah, honestly, what's that doing in the 'Worst' thread? From here, it seemed to make a good point.

I was using the comic as a response.
Also this:
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dudes wanna posture with guns and weapons about ‘smashing teh patriarchy’, blow off your dicks or whatever other genitalia you have with them
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on July 12, 2013, 02:15:39 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 12, 2013, 01:03:47 pm
Quote from: Alkaline on July 12, 2013, 12:05:47 pm
Yeah, honestly, what's that doing in the 'Worst' thread? From here, it seemed to make a good point.

I was using the comic as a response.
Also this:
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dudes wanna posture with guns and weapons about ‘smashing teh patriarchy’, blow off your dicks or whatever other genitalia you have with them

Oh. Well, that'll teach me for not looking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 12, 2013, 04:19:07 pm
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 12, 2013, 10:23:23 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 11, 2013, 11:57:52 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/cbaac6dec4566c65ea99b655dd0fb572/tumblr_mfvqk6K7Jw1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Wow, this one is sexist towards men (the 'they can't be raped' thing) and women (by saying only men can defend themselves). I wonder if these people realize they're hurting their cause more than they're helping it.

I wonder if she realizes she's a rape apologist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 04:34:30 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbnkhcWhmO1rxv81fo1_500.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbh9osp0i21rxv81fo1_500.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8ovwUZ4S1rxv81fo1_500.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8omm8mkW1rurxygo7_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 12, 2013, 05:32:27 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 12:06:19 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1b711baf32bd9600143562762f8c6943/tumblr_mglch301Q31ryeto5o1_500.png)
Oh please, nobody ever gets my last name right (it is in German), and even my best friend, who has a common German last name, has the same problem. For first names, I'd like you to know that psychologists conducted studies that proved "ethnic" names make you less likely to get hired, even if you have the exact same resume as a non-ethnic named person. So, yes, it's a problem. You can help your children by not naming them those.

My surname is either Russian, Belarusian, Ukrainian, or Polish, and nobody in my family really knows how to pronounce it. I'm going to change it to my husband's partly because I imagine people looking at my resume and saying "How the fuck do you say this? Denied."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 12, 2013, 06:31:38 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 04:34:30 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbnkhcWhmO1rxv81fo1_500.png)


Um....Ahh....I....

Ironbite-*gives up and walks away*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 12, 2013, 06:34:32 pm
Quote from: Clochette on July 12, 2013, 05:32:27 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 12:06:19 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1b711baf32bd9600143562762f8c6943/tumblr_mglch301Q31ryeto5o1_500.png)
Oh please, nobody ever gets my last name right (it is in German), and even my best friend, who has a common German last name, has the same problem. For first names, I'd like you to know that psychologists conducted studies that proved "ethnic" names make you less likely to get hired, even if you have the exact same resume as a non-ethnic named person. So, yes, it's a problem. You can help your children by not naming them those.

My surname is either Russian, Belarusian, Ukrainian, or Polish, and nobody in my family really knows how to pronounce it. I'm going to change it to my husband's partly because I imagine people looking at my resume and saying "How the fuck do you say this? Denied."

I'm white and I have an unusual first name that people pronounce and spell wrong all the time. It's confused a lot with another more common name as well.

Clearly I need to lodge a complaint with the White-archy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 06:47:08 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma0deyDS1v1rclv50o1_400.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mam79xz9hE1qk4o4zo1_500.jpg)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbnk8fPeRd1rxv81fo1_500.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb188kLaFZ1rxv81fo1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 12, 2013, 07:15:20 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 06:47:08 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma0deyDS1v1rclv50o1_400.png)

How dare you suffer from mental illness and depression and be white at the same time!  How dare you feel bad about anything ever!  You don't have the right to feel negative emotions when you're white!  You're not allowed to commit suicide if I decide I can't any visible reason for you to do so!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 07:26:36 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 12, 2013, 07:15:20 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 06:47:08 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma0deyDS1v1rclv50o1_400.png)

How dare you suffer from mental illness and depression and be white at the same time!  How dare you feel bad about anything ever!  You don't have the right to feel negative emotions when you're white!  You're not allowed to commit suicide if I decide I can't any visible reason for you to do so!
Yeah, that person's just disgusting. And, another thing, triggers. SJ types don't know what a fucking trigger is. It's not being mildly annoyed. It's something that makes you break down. For example, my best friend blames herself for a close friend's death. She's not remotely responsible, but she refuses to listen to logic (she was here in NY, he was in England, and she made a death joke the last time she talked to him, and he got run over by a British cop who was driving drunk stepping out of his house). I've only known her to cry three times (she prides herself in being extremely in control of her emotions and is the stoic one usually), one was of joy, one was while talking two friends out of suicide at once, and one when she was triggered. She just curled up and was speechless, just crying. THAT IS A MOTHERFUCKING TRIGGER! When someone says they're triggered, unless it's something that severe, it's not a motherfucking trigger, you cockwagons.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 12, 2013, 08:35:15 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/83ca9bdc99b6b46c59201bf020164a12/tumblr_mpkmbcL2tE1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Oh, do shut up. How many people even refer to the genitals as 'sex' anymore to even get you this bitchy about it? Referring to the private area as 'sex' is outdated, that's true. So shut up about it. Goddamn. 

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 08:44:43 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 12, 2013, 08:35:15 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/83ca9bdc99b6b46c59201bf020164a12/tumblr_mpkmbcL2tE1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Oh, do shut up. How many people even refer to the genitals as 'sex' anymore to even get you this bitchy about it? Referring to the private area as 'sex' is outdated, that's true. So shut up about it. Goddamn.
Caps lock = glossing over it.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhl0siXNG1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8omm8mkW1rurxygo10_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mazrvh7hUY1rxv81fo1_500.jpg)
So, if cissexism is hating on trans* people, that makes you a transsexist.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1v9wcGMxJ1rr0u35o1_500.jpg)
Um, what about the LGB people?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 12, 2013, 08:58:39 pm
The mods at dearcispeople apparently have a thing where they don't reject entries. A lot of confessions blog claim that, tho.

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I will not censor any content. This is a place to vent. This has restrictions, however: racism will not get posted. Apologizing for anger and invalidating others will not be posted. Throwing your brothers, sisters, and other siblings under the bus will not be posted.

But I really think that entry above should violate 'invalidating others' and 'throwing people under the bus'. But what do I know?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 09:27:06 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 12, 2013, 08:58:39 pm
The mods at dearcispeople apparently have a thing where they don't reject entries. A lot of confessions blog claim that, tho.

Quote
I will not censor any content. This is a place to vent. This has restrictions, however: racism will not get posted. Apologizing for anger and invalidating others will not be posted. Throwing your brothers, sisters, and other siblings under the bus will not be posted.

But I really think that entry above should violate 'invalidating others' and 'throwing people under the bus'. But what do I know?
They're bigots. Pure and simple.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_medgnqsyt41ryeto5o1_500.png)
My eyes!

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me0c0gdbua1rxv81fo1_500.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdev1oOL0B1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Not a motherfucking trigger.


(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbywk9kj6u1ryeto5o1_400.png)
Oh, you're just butthurt.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 12, 2013, 09:35:22 pm
I updated my blog. Still no angry Social Justice Warriors. Am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 12, 2013, 09:36:07 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on July 12, 2013, 09:35:22 pm
I updated my blog. Still no angry Social Justice Warriors. Am I doing something wrong?

You need to find the right tags.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 09:51:41 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 12, 2013, 09:36:07 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on July 12, 2013, 09:35:22 pm
I updated my blog. Still no angry Social Justice Warriors. Am I doing something wrong?

You need to find the right tags.
Yeah, start tagging it with their stuff.

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It's the Trent Reznor hair that completes it.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 12, 2013, 10:26:04 pm
I added a whole bunch of tags in order to get their attention.

The raeg will be glorious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 12, 2013, 10:32:53 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on July 12, 2013, 09:35:22 pm
I updated my blog. Still no angry Social Justice Warriors. Am I doing something wrong?

I took a look and its WAY too obvious that youre trolling
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on July 12, 2013, 10:43:30 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 06:47:08 pm
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So, wait, if I read this right, vegan bodies do not have meat in them? So I can eat a vegan and stay vegan? That's useful to know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 12, 2013, 10:46:13 pm
That fictive one reminds me of a post I saw where someone identified as a spatula.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 12, 2013, 10:52:40 pm
Did his girlfriend identify as a pancake?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 12, 2013, 10:57:43 pm
I wanna see someone identify as a corpse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 12, 2013, 11:07:09 pm
That can be arranged...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 12, 2013, 11:15:14 pm
During a debate with another blogger Genderbitch made some pretty cruel "jokes" about torturing them.

http://luckythinks91.tumblr.com/post/55108977053/tw-racism-hey-heres-a-suggestion

Instead of admitting that she did something fucked up and apologizing (like any decent person would do) she attempts to make herself look like the victim.

http://requiemforadeathmask.tumblr.com/post/55309702500/guys-these-morons-are-claiming-i-specifically
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 12, 2013, 11:24:59 pm
Genderbitch is basically everything wrong with SJWs condensed into one horrific blog.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 12, 2013, 11:31:54 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 12, 2013, 09:36:07 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on July 12, 2013, 09:35:22 pm
I updated my blog. Still no angry Social Justice Warriors. Am I doing something wrong?

You need to find the right tags.

Also, it helps to not be so obvious. Or you can pick a fight with someone like genderbitch if you're really that damn hungry.

As for the writing itself, it's a bit obvious that you're trolling. Not to mention you need to put more into the blog than just the default tumblr theme and 'I talk about stuff here' on your description. You want to poke at SJWs? Put some effort into it. Make links to an about me. Fill it out. Reblog stuff once in a while. As it is your blog is dead and nobody gives a damn about a dead looking blog.

You also need to spend more time on tumblr than the five minutes it takes to craft a post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 13, 2013, 12:12:46 am
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Foolish mortals. In my encounters with the forbidden lore that is Biology, I have learnt horrifying secrets:

1. The kingdoms of life extend beyond Animalia, and include, amongst others,  Plantae and Fungi. That which vegans eat, is also alive.

2. Even worse, you are a heterotroph. Not only is a vegan diet not enough, there is no diet that you can adopt that will let you survive without consuming life.

3. Vegans are still animals, and thus the proteins in their system are just as much meat-protein as those of the vilest carnivore.


Want to claim you value  all life equally? Antibiotics kill quite a few orders of magnitude more living beings than non-vegan diets. Either campaign against them, or admit that your give different moral weights to life by species, and you are, for whatever reason, setting animals aside as special.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 13, 2013, 12:16:26 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 12, 2013, 10:32:53 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on July 12, 2013, 09:35:22 pm
I updated my blog. Still no angry Social Justice Warriors. Am I doing something wrong?

I took a look and its WAY too obvious that youre trolling
They're SJW. They're too stupid to notice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 13, 2013, 12:31:15 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 06:47:08 pm
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Delicious racism early in the morning, I see.

Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 12, 2013, 06:47:08 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mam79xz9hE1qk4o4zo1_500.jpg)

I'm curious, when did "being a feminist" start meaning "be a misandrist"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 13, 2013, 12:35:06 am
Quote from: Damen on July 13, 2013, 12:31:15 am
I'm curious, when did "being a feminist" start meaning "be a misandrist"?

When they decided they want to reverse the scales instead of balance them.

Also, protip to that person: never have kids.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 13, 2013, 12:43:23 am
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 13, 2013, 01:33:00 am
I've added a link to an About Me, and reblogged several times.

I have based my entire persona on a Jerk Jock I used to know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 13, 2013, 03:39:47 am
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He's a dick. That doesn't make it an ism.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me4vpeWnz41ryeto5o1_500.jpg)

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on July 13, 2013, 07:33:32 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 13, 2013, 12:43:23 am
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Funny thing.  Chiropractic was invented by a white man.

A crazy, lunatic white man.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 13, 2013, 07:43:46 pm
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Ahem, the male reminds me of Doctor Ivo Robotnik from Adventures of Sonic The Hedgehog.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on July 13, 2013, 07:55:55 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/3ca4423e4db5175b8b71b7cc8db1dd5b/tumblr_mftis98nCt1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

"You must like exactly what I do and write exactly as I would and look exactly as I want or you are a bad author."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 13, 2013, 07:58:43 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on July 13, 2013, 07:55:55 pm
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"You must like exactly what I do and write exactly as I would and look exactly as I want or you are a bad author."
Yeppers! That's clearly logical.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 13, 2013, 07:58:58 pm
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Seems a pretty harmless joke...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 13, 2013, 08:00:35 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 13, 2013, 07:58:58 pm
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Seems a pretty harmless joke...
It is pretty minor and harmless, just thought it was silly and I don't want every single image to destroy people's faith in humanity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 13, 2013, 08:06:36 pm
The thing with blogs like 'you know you're trans* when' is that the blog makers themselves don't come up with the entries. These things could be something only a handful of people relate to. Something to keep in mind.

I admittedly have related to a few of their entries.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 13, 2013, 08:35:16 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 13, 2013, 08:06:36 pm
The thing with blogs like 'you know you're trans* when' is that the blog makers themselves don't come up with the entries. These things could be something only a handful of people relate to. Something to keep in mind.

I admittedly have related to a few of their entries.
True, and I know they don't make them. I'm not against the blog. Just against some submitters.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a1cd43a65a96441dbc4bf4a07ec8c8e2/tumblr_mftjdj7gU81ryeto5o1_1280.png)

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You might be pale blondes, but if you're oppressed, you're not white.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e3f257049c7889a0643df65fc0098d6b/tumblr_mfiderqPo81ryeto5o1_500.png)

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Babble babble bitch bitch
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on July 13, 2013, 09:20:01 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 13, 2013, 07:43:46 pm
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To be fair, Tolkien was pretty crap at storytelling.

On the other hand, I think you get a pass when you effectively define a genre for the next thirty years.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 13, 2013, 09:21:36 pm
Quote from: Jack Mann on July 13, 2013, 09:20:01 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 13, 2013, 07:43:46 pm
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To be fair, Tolkien was pretty crap at storytelling.

On the other hand, I think you get a pass when you effectively define a genre for the next thirty years.

Replace Tolkien with 'Robert Jordan' and you get the gist of my opinion. You want long-winded? Jordan.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 13, 2013, 09:40:43 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 13, 2013, 08:35:16 pm
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You might be pale blondes, but if you're oppressed, you're not white.

lolwat. The Sami are indigenous white Europeans, hence their primary locations. Yes, they're subject to a ton of discrimination (and the asker is a moron for disregarding that), but they're still easily one of the whitest ethnic groups on the planet. As far as I know (and please correct me if I'm wrong), a good chunk of what we consider to be white features originates with similar indigenous Europeans, as well as strong influences from the Romans, Greeks and other groups.

These people make it sound like white people beamed down to earth from space and invaded everywhere, with no indigenous lands of their own (insofar as any ethnic group can have indigenous lands outside of Africa).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on July 13, 2013, 09:59:32 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 13, 2013, 08:35:16 pm
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You might be pale blondes, but if you're oppressed, you're not white.

He's actually right and you're wrong. Fins were't considered white until the early 20th century. Whiteness isn't about colour, it's about social position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#Finnish_Americans
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 13, 2013, 10:08:38 pm
1) Most Sami consider themselves indigenous white Europeans, to the best of my knowledge.

2) You're trying to apply American racial dynamics to Europe, which really doesn't work. I've had my share of Americentrism on Tumblr, thank you.

3) What does cultural perception of Fins living in the US over a century ago have to do with a different (albeit related) ethnic group living in modern day Europe?

4) Who even uses the Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Negroid division anymore, other than neo-Nazis? By that classification, Arabs, Persians, and many South Asian ethnicities are considered "Caucasoid", even though they're frequently perceived as non-white many regions. Fins being classified as "Mongoloid" over a century ago hardly means anything nowadays. Fact is, pale skin, blonde hair and light eyes are almost universally perceived as white nowadays. It's cultural differences that lead to anti-Sami discrimination, not race.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 13, 2013, 10:37:23 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 13, 2013, 10:08:38 pm
1) Most Sami consider themselves indigenous white Europeans, to the best of my knowledge.

2) You're trying to apply American racial dynamics to Europe, which really doesn't work. I've had my share of Americentrism on Tumblr, thank you.

3) What does cultural perception of Fins living in the US over a century ago have to do with a different (albeit related) ethnic group living in modern day Europe?

4) Who even uses the Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Negroid division anymore, other than neo-Nazis? By that classification, Arabs, Persians, and many South Asian ethnicities are considered "Caucasoid", even though they're frequently perceived as non-white many regions. Fins being classified as "Mongoloid" over a century ago hardly means anything nowadays.

In response to point 4: anthropologists do. My books had it in there. And considering they weren't old as fuck books...

That isn't to say I don't believe anthropology needs to get updated in their definitions and everything else.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 13, 2013, 10:42:07 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 13, 2013, 10:37:23 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 13, 2013, 10:08:38 pm
1) Most Sami consider themselves indigenous white Europeans, to the best of my knowledge.

2) You're trying to apply American racial dynamics to Europe, which really doesn't work. I've had my share of Americentrism on Tumblr, thank you.

3) What does cultural perception of Fins living in the US over a century ago have to do with a different (albeit related) ethnic group living in modern day Europe?

4) Who even uses the Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Negroid division anymore, other than neo-Nazis? By that classification, Arabs, Persians, and many South Asian ethnicities are considered "Caucasoid", even though they're frequently perceived as non-white many regions. Fins being classified as "Mongoloid" over a century ago hardly means anything nowadays.

In response to point 4: anthropologists do. My books had it in there. And considering they weren't old as fuck books...

That isn't to say I don't believe anthropology needs to get updated in their definitions and everything else.

I know it's sometimes used when identifying skull shapes and whatnot, but generally speaking, modern social dynamics are a bit more complex than the 3-race categorization formerly used. Which isn't to say that they haven't been influenced by it, of course.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 13, 2013, 11:08:38 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 13, 2013, 10:42:07 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 13, 2013, 10:37:23 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 13, 2013, 10:08:38 pm
1) Most Sami consider themselves indigenous white Europeans, to the best of my knowledge.

2) You're trying to apply American racial dynamics to Europe, which really doesn't work. I've had my share of Americentrism on Tumblr, thank you.

3) What does cultural perception of Fins living in the US over a century ago have to do with a different (albeit related) ethnic group living in modern day Europe?

4) Who even uses the Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Negroid division anymore, other than neo-Nazis? By that classification, Arabs, Persians, and many South Asian ethnicities are considered "Caucasoid", even though they're frequently perceived as non-white many regions. Fins being classified as "Mongoloid" over a century ago hardly means anything nowadays.

In response to point 4: anthropologists do. My books had it in there. And considering they weren't old as fuck books...

That isn't to say I don't believe anthropology needs to get updated in their definitions and everything else.

I know it's sometimes used when identifying skull shapes and whatnot, but generally speaking, modern social dynamics are a bit more complex than the 3-race categorization formerly used. Which isn't to say that they haven't been influenced by it, of course.

On that I heartily agree.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 13, 2013, 11:28:46 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on July 13, 2013, 09:59:32 pm
Whiteness isn't about colour, it's about social position.

I think if this was in the form of a screenshot from a random tumblr, it would be a highly appropriate quote to add to this thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 13, 2013, 11:37:52 pm
Like, I get that perception of whiteness is about more than how light or dark someone is (hence dark Sicilians being considered white, while someone like Ice-T isn't), but is anyone seriously going to look at this photo and say she's not white? Even if they're aware of her ancestry?:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AAEbRIDWlHM/UT91WbHACpI/AAAAAAAAJE4/HgA39TUuy7c/s320/Ren%C3%A9e+Zellweger+wallpapers+hd+%281%29.jpg)

Did she magically become white when she became a famous actress?

And by that definition, this guy would be considered white:

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02228/Prince_Abdul_Aziz__2228770b.jpg)

(Prince Abdulaziz of KSA).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 13, 2013, 11:43:36 pm
I'm a little late to the party but did I seriously see where someone claimed twerking is a sacred dance?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on July 13, 2013, 11:52:26 pm
It is similar to several traditional African dances, and the case can probably be made that it's descended from dances still remembered generations later.

That said, the person's story about slave codes is almost certainly pure bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 14, 2013, 12:20:22 am
Are these the same people who believe the Irish weren't really oppressed because their oppressors were also white people?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 14, 2013, 01:53:59 am
Awww. I missed a discussion related to Finland. Or at least a cultural/ethnic group that some Finns belong to.

I still find it odd that Sami are considered "indigenous people" or "aboriginals" but that's just me. (Didn't my ancestors came here approximately at the same time?) I do like the fact that they have managed to keep their old culture alive this long. On the other hand, I do admit that there has been (and in some cases still is) discrimination against them, I would wish that it would be going away by now but the same racists who spew their hatred on immigrants have recently started complaining about the Sami as well. And even if I don't like the "indigenous people" to be a strange title in this case it is nowhere near as bad as the fact that some people have began to call Sami immigrants or foregneirs when there are arguments over land in Lappland...

And I would have thought that the Sami were more of a cultural group than ethnic (from the Finnish point of view at least since they are part of the same ethnic group as the majority of Finns.) but apparently some of them go by the "one drop" rule and ostracice those Sami who do not have 100% Sami ancestors... And some SJW's in Finland have jumped on this issue because it means they can complain about Finns being evil colonials.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 14, 2013, 08:16:14 am
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Okay, all I can imagine is Till Lindemann going "You've got a pussy! I've got a dick! So what's the problem? Let's do it quick!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on July 14, 2013, 02:45:21 pm
Quote from: askold on July 14, 2013, 01:53:59 am
Awww. I missed a discussion related to Finland. Or at least a cultural/ethnic group that some Finns belong to.

I still find it odd that Sami are considered "indigenous people" or "aboriginals" but that's just me. (Didn't my ancestors came here approximately at the same time?) I do like the fact that they have managed to keep their old culture alive this long. On the other hand, I do admit that there has been (and in some cases still is) discrimination against them, I would wish that it would be going away by now but the same racists who spew their hatred on immigrants have recently started complaining about the Sami as well. And even if I don't like the "indigenous people" to be a strange title in this case it is nowhere near as bad as the fact that some people have began to call Sami immigrants or foregneirs when there are arguments over land in Lappland...

And I would have thought that the Sami were more of a cultural group than ethnic (from the Finnish point of view at least since they are part of the same ethnic group as the majority of Finns.) but apparently some of them go by the "one drop" rule and ostracice those Sami who do not have 100% Sami ancestors... And some SJW's in Finland have jumped on this issue because it means they can complain about Finns being evil colonials.

Given how small a group the Sami people are, there really is a danger of there being no true Sami, particularly if the ones in Finland think that they are a distinct group from the Sami living in other countries.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 14, 2013, 02:55:18 pm
And now we're back to "coloured" instead of using "PoC" which, I'll be honest, was an abbreviation that made me think of a plague long before it made me think of non-white people.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/7506d3f089e5e1825256084b6edcb996/tumblr_mpwh25kEg01ryeto5o1_1280.png)

You know, I can't think of anything to say that wasn't said by WTFSocialJustice (http://wtfsocialjustice.tumblr.com/post/55379422135/wow-theres-so-many-things-wrong-with-this-so).

Quote
Wow there’s so many things wrong with this:

  • So, is it ok to start calling people colored now? Please give out an official memo on this so we can end the confusion.
  • "Colored girls" are the same everywhere. When my white ex broke up with me, it was an act of racist imperialism. Or something. And at this rate, I figure I’ll never find a relationship in the rest of my life.
  • It’s never ok to force people into a relationship or sex. Unless it’s a white guy. Then he has to stay with you or he’s racist.
  • If white guys are so racist, why do “colored girls" still want to date them?
  • Breaking up with someone is just the worst thing you can do to them. It’s not like people are ever incompatible or anything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 14, 2013, 03:16:20 pm
Judging by the "ou" spelling in "coloured", it's possible that she's from a region where the term is still acceptable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 14, 2013, 03:19:55 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 14, 2013, 02:45:21 pm
Given how small a group the Sami people are, there really is a danger of there being no true Sami, particularly if the ones in Finland think that they are a distinct group from the Sami living in other countries.

Clarification: They don't consider themselves separate from other Sami. It is just that some of them are apparently against anyone who has parents/ancestors other than 100% Sami. Which, in my opinion is still odd because what separates them from the average Finn is tradition and Sami-identity rather than ethnicity/dna.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 14, 2013, 03:23:21 pm
I dunno, pretty much every ethnic group has its purists, almost always without any scientific backing to go along with their ideology. I would be surprised if the Sami didn't have a few amongst them who felt that way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 14, 2013, 03:32:33 pm
Pfft, mongrels are better anyway. Mongrel power!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on July 14, 2013, 03:40:08 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 14, 2013, 03:32:33 pm
Pfft, mongrels are better anyway. Mongrel power!

Hybrid vigor is a good thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 14, 2013, 04:46:30 pm
http://humankimberly.tumblr.com/post/55134203936/real-beauty

Wow. Really?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 14, 2013, 05:00:43 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on July 14, 2013, 04:46:30 pm
http://humankimberly.tumblr.com/post/55134203936/real-beauty

Wow. Really?

Dafuq did I just look at?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 14, 2013, 05:11:23 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 14, 2013, 05:00:43 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on July 14, 2013, 04:46:30 pm
http://humankimberly.tumblr.com/post/55134203936/real-beauty

Wow. Really?

Dafuq did I just look at?

Probably the best joke post on Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 14, 2013, 05:30:42 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 14, 2013, 05:11:23 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 14, 2013, 05:00:43 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on July 14, 2013, 04:46:30 pm
http://humankimberly.tumblr.com/post/55134203936/real-beauty

Wow. Really?

Dafuq did I just look at?

Probably the best joke post on Tumblr.

Eh, for me that will always be the guy who realized Michelle Obama looks like the black mom on Fairly Odd parents.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 14, 2013, 06:49:01 pm
Not really sure how a clear joke post qualifies but okay. lol
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 14, 2013, 08:30:27 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/03f4e857d010e51356c4232ff9a73f6d/tumblr_mfq4lrUi8y1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/ef752b72421c9175338ca5c988e52523/tumblr_mfocke2iNS1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/ceb10b0effc3e6abff82aeae506aa5da/tumblr_mesry9sgmC1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/a8f92b810cbdfd00aded0e877c78cf5b/tumblr_mfq4soVyrN1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/6539c47184ea5757b27230ddf0680a45/tumblr_mfobfgSj8y1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 14, 2013, 08:41:56 pm
So if someone says they're pomosexual, I'll know what the really mean is that they want to be a special snowflake. Got it.

Being white, straight, and male, it bugs me that they think nobody else could be 'cis-scum.' I guess their head would explode if we showed them someone from the Middle East or Africa who is transphobic.

And in regards to the last one, if I were a better artist and someone told me that, I would respond by colouring in the picture a flat black colour just to spite them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 14, 2013, 08:50:15 pm
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 14, 2013, 08:41:56 pm
So if someone says they're pomosexual, I'll know what the really mean is that they want to be a special snowflake. Got it.

Being white, straight, and male, it bugs me that they think nobody else could be 'cis-scum.' I guess their head would explode if we showed them someone from the Middle East or Africa who is transphobic.

And in regards to the last one, if I were a better artist and someone told me that, I would respond by colouring in the picture a flat black colour just to spite them.
I find it interesting that the SJWs can never agree if I count as cis-scum. I'm a bisexual white male. Some of them include the "straight" part, others don't. And, if someone says they're a pomosexual, I'm just going to reply "I'm a promosexual. I get turned on by advertisements. So ha, I'm specialer than you!" If they try rightly pointing out that there's no such thing, I'll just accuse them of being various things SJWs hate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 14, 2013, 08:55:58 pm
I just don't understand the whole cis-scum thing at all. I can see being upset at transphobes, but hating me just because I'm fine with the sex I was born with and don't want to be a women? Wat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 14, 2013, 09:16:16 pm
Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/a8f92b810cbdfd00aded0e877c78cf5b/tumblr_mfq4soVyrN1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

That's the single most racist thing I've read in quite a long time, although admittedly I haven't been following the Zimmerman trial. Black people (and, implied, anyone who isn't a white straight man) can't make informed value judgements? Seriously? I assume this person is trying to be progressive by not calling an oppressed minority scum, which I guess is nice, but their argument for why is the most anti-social-justice reasoning ever. Denying a group of people the ability to have moral responsibility, for their ethnicity or gender or sexuality, in the name of social justice, is fucked up in more ways than I can count.


And I can count to a lot! I'm pretty good at math
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 14, 2013, 11:24:04 pm
Non girly women being badass is literally misogyny.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e60f91eeb88b57dca3cfca8154614fa8/tumblr_moblzqFP8p1rmluldo1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 14, 2013, 11:43:22 pm
Yes, because what Private Vasquez needed on her colonial marine uniform was pink fucking frills in order to be badass.

(http://www.craveonline.com/images/stories/2011/Film/The%20Series%20Project/Alien%20Predator/Aliens_Vasquez.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: R. U. Sirius on July 15, 2013, 12:27:46 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 14, 2013, 11:24:04 pm
Non girly women being badass is literally misogyny.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e60f91eeb88b57dca3cfca8154614fa8/tumblr_moblzqFP8p1rmluldo1_500.png)

While I think this woman made her point in a poor way, I can see why she wouldn't want magical girl animes that she enjoys to be redrawn with a "harder, tougher" edge. Part of the appeal of magical girls, from what I understand, is that they're badass against everyone's expectations. They're cute girls in frilly outfits, so nobody (in the anime) expects them to actually be able to kick ass until they do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 09:10:10 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 14, 2013, 09:16:16 pm
Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/a8f92b810cbdfd00aded0e877c78cf5b/tumblr_mfq4soVyrN1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

That's the single most racist thing I've read in quite a long time, although admittedly I haven't been following the Zimmerman trial. Black people (and, implied, anyone who isn't a white straight man) can't make informed value judgements? Seriously? I assume this person is trying to be progressive by not calling an oppressed minority scum, which I guess is nice, but their argument for why is the most anti-social-justice reasoning ever. Denying a group of people the ability to have moral responsibility, for their ethnicity or gender or sexuality, in the name of social justice, is fucked up in more ways than I can count.


And I can count to a lot! I'm pretty good at math
Actually, and I only know this due to so much digging through this shit, they're saying they lack "cultural capital", or in other words, they're not powerful enough. Basically, they're too oppressed to be oppressors.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/c82df28a43526f1762745eef5c37cb74/tumblr_mfoadmnhsb1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Hating first world problems is such a first world problem.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/33e7aa22737dd5d81ea9184e9a1dd171/tumblr_mfo8vpbinw1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/9e498333d74af7cad27406ba7a28eee5/tumblr_mescvlgT301ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/7417baf77820e66d50117c7cdcd1b415/tumblr_mep7pizYrG1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/0bb8e1c13c39402ed6ba04141532d5c0/tumblr_mep78zg71y1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 15, 2013, 09:49:21 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 09:10:10 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 14, 2013, 09:16:16 pm
Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/a8f92b810cbdfd00aded0e877c78cf5b/tumblr_mfq4soVyrN1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

That's the single most racist thing I've read in quite a long time, although admittedly I haven't been following the Zimmerman trial. Black people (and, implied, anyone who isn't a white straight man) can't make informed value judgements? Seriously? I assume this person is trying to be progressive by not calling an oppressed minority scum, which I guess is nice, but their argument for why is the most anti-social-justice reasoning ever. Denying a group of people the ability to have moral responsibility, for their ethnicity or gender or sexuality, in the name of social justice, is fucked up in more ways than I can count.


And I can count to a lot! I'm pretty good at math
Actually, and I only know this due to so much digging through this shit, they're saying they lack "cultural capital", or in other words, they're not powerful enough. Basically, they're too oppressed to be oppressors.

They are also saying they can't make informed value judgements. Either value judgement means a completely different thing in their jargon, or they are straight-up saying that "[oppressed minority] can't make informed decisions about right and wrong"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 15, 2013, 09:56:49 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 09:10:10 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/7417baf77820e66d50117c7cdcd1b415/tumblr_mep7pizYrG1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)
So you mean to tell me that I can eat just a handful of bread crumbs and salt soaked in olive oil and lemon juice and it'll taste exactly the same as chicken schnitzel? Well gee, why was I not informed of this sooner?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 15, 2013, 10:11:30 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 15, 2013, 09:56:49 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 09:10:10 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/7417baf77820e66d50117c7cdcd1b415/tumblr_mep7pizYrG1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)
So you mean to tell me that I can eat just a handful of bread crumbs and salt soaked in olive oil and lemon juice and it'll taste exactly the same as chicken schnitzel? Well gee, why was I not informed of this sooner?

I'm sorry but...salt is a rock.

Ironbite-not a plant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 15, 2013, 11:08:51 am
Quote from: ironbite on July 15, 2013, 10:11:30 am
I'm sorry but...salt is a rock.

Ironbite-not a plant.
Don't look at me, it was listed in the macro. Just using their own logic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 15, 2013, 11:45:38 am
Seeing as they said to eat it uncooked, heat is apparently a plant now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 15, 2013, 01:28:55 pm
So is it wrong to eat potatoes as well?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 15, 2013, 01:41:25 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 09:10:10 am

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/0bb8e1c13c39402ed6ba04141532d5c0/tumblr_mep78zg71y1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

I want to say that's Riley but I think I'm wrong. In either case: WHO HAS TIME TO CHECK EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S BLOG WHEN THEY LIKE/REBLOG SOMETHING? If I did that for my edits I'd have no time to make new ones.

And who made you the blog police? You can't stop someone from liking/reblogging something. Now, maybe if tumblr had a better block system that'd be another thing entirely but no.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Her3tiK on July 15, 2013, 01:55:09 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 15, 2013, 10:11:30 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 15, 2013, 09:56:49 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 09:10:10 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/7417baf77820e66d50117c7cdcd1b415/tumblr_mep7pizYrG1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)
So you mean to tell me that I can eat just a handful of bread crumbs and salt soaked in olive oil and lemon juice and it'll taste exactly the same as chicken schnitzel? Well gee, why was I not informed of this sooner?

I'm sorry but...salt is a rock.

Ironbite-not a plant.
Shhhhh. Facts are confusing.

I am so glad I was never like this as a vegetarian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 15, 2013, 01:58:39 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 15, 2013, 01:41:25 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 09:10:10 am

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/0bb8e1c13c39402ed6ba04141532d5c0/tumblr_mep78zg71y1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

I want to say that's Riley but I think I'm wrong. In either case: WHO HAS TIME TO CHECK EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S BLOG WHEN THEY LIKE/REBLOG SOMETHING? If I did that for my edits I'd have no time to make new ones.

And who made you the blog police? You can't stop someone from liking/reblogging something. Now, maybe if tumblr had a better block system that'd be another thing entirely but no.

That's not the point.  The point is a whole generation of special snowflakes have invaded social media again and it's the same old song and dance.

Ironbite-they expect everyone to play by their rules but never tell us what the rules are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 15, 2013, 02:01:38 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 15, 2013, 01:58:39 pm
That's not the point.  The point is a whole generation of special snowflakes have invaded social media again and it's the same old song and dance.

Ironbite-they expect everyone to play by their rules but never tell us what the rules are.
The rules are there are no rules.

Except existing rules all suck and must be subverted.

Also anything resembling an assumed normalcy is to be reviled and treated as we assume they treat us.  Regardless of the baseless nature of those assumptions.

I'm not really kidding either, that seems to be it. Toss in some special snowflake seasoning and that's a wonderful framework to know what to expect.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 15, 2013, 02:01:59 pm
What do you mean 'again'? And... all right. I guess?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 15, 2013, 02:05:24 pm
Again?  Man did you not grow up in the last great social media implementation that was Livejournal?

Ironbite-or am I just that old?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 15, 2013, 02:12:44 pm
I was on livejournal but it wasn't exactly social media in the same way tumblr is. And I usually kept to myself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 15, 2013, 02:23:32 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 15, 2013, 02:05:24 pm
Again?  Man did you not grow up in the last great social media implementation that was Livejournal?

Ironbite-or am I just that old?

Oh dear god I remember hearing about stuff that went on LJ.

I don't remember what I heard, but I do remembering hearing about it.

It was one of the reasons I was always hesitant to use it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadmanJohnson on July 15, 2013, 03:03:28 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 15, 2013, 02:23:32 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 15, 2013, 02:05:24 pm
Again?  Man did you not grow up in the last great social media implementation that was Livejournal?

Ironbite-or am I just that old?

Oh dear god I remember hearing about stuff that went on LJ.

I don't remember what I heard, but I do remembering hearing about it.

It was one of the reasons I was always hesitant to use it.
That's not all. A little quote from the wikipedia page for it about a interview with the current owner.
Quote
In the interview, he predicted that his likely reaction to such pressure would be to retaliate against the users rather than bowing to their pressure.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 15, 2013, 03:45:52 pm
Quote from: Her3tiK on July 15, 2013, 01:55:09 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 15, 2013, 10:11:30 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 15, 2013, 09:56:49 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 09:10:10 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/7417baf77820e66d50117c7cdcd1b415/tumblr_mep7pizYrG1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)
So you mean to tell me that I can eat just a handful of bread crumbs and salt soaked in olive oil and lemon juice and it'll taste exactly the same as chicken schnitzel? Well gee, why was I not informed of this sooner?

I'm sorry but...salt is a rock.

Ironbite-not a plant.
Shhhhh. Facts are confusing.

I am so glad I was never like this as a vegetarian.

Yeah, because it's not like people put seasonings and dressings on vegetables or anything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 15, 2013, 03:49:15 pm
I'm a vegetarian but I absolutely hate raw vegetables. I'll happily eat cooked vegetables that are drowned in spices or sauce.

It's disappointing to me when other vegetarians use silly arguments like that. It causes animal rights to be taken less seriously.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 15, 2013, 03:54:28 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 15, 2013, 02:23:32 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 15, 2013, 02:05:24 pm
Again?  Man did you not grow up in the last great social media implementation that was Livejournal?

Ironbite-or am I just that old?

Oh dear god I remember hearing about stuff that went on LJ.

I don't remember what I heard, but I do remembering hearing about it.

It was one of the reasons I was always hesitant to use it.

Went....on?

As one of the livejournal dinosaurs I can tell you it's still a bastion of nuttery, social justice sad sacks, and stalking. While 9/10 of the user base is normal they're hidden by the wankmemes and freaky brats screaming "trigger!!111!!!" and telling people that trans people are bullied there for they can not be bullies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 15, 2013, 05:13:43 pm
So basically tumblr has just become an extension of LJ then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: R. U. Sirius on July 15, 2013, 07:09:58 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 15, 2013, 03:45:52 pm
Quote from: Her3tiK on July 15, 2013, 01:55:09 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 15, 2013, 10:11:30 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 15, 2013, 09:56:49 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 09:10:10 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/7417baf77820e66d50117c7cdcd1b415/tumblr_mep7pizYrG1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)
So you mean to tell me that I can eat just a handful of bread crumbs and salt soaked in olive oil and lemon juice and it'll taste exactly the same as chicken schnitzel? Well gee, why was I not informed of this sooner?

I'm sorry but...salt is a rock.

Ironbite-not a plant.
Shhhhh. Facts are confusing.

I am so glad I was never like this as a vegetarian.

Yeah, because it's not like people put seasonings and dressings on vegetables or anything.

I actually have eaten meat with no seasonings before, just to see what it would taste like. I still enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 07:46:34 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 15, 2013, 09:49:21 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 09:10:10 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 14, 2013, 09:16:16 pm
Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/a8f92b810cbdfd00aded0e877c78cf5b/tumblr_mfq4soVyrN1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

That's the single most racist thing I've read in quite a long time, although admittedly I haven't been following the Zimmerman trial. Black people (and, implied, anyone who isn't a white straight man) can't make informed value judgements? Seriously? I assume this person is trying to be progressive by not calling an oppressed minority scum, which I guess is nice, but their argument for why is the most anti-social-justice reasoning ever. Denying a group of people the ability to have moral responsibility, for their ethnicity or gender or sexuality, in the name of social justice, is fucked up in more ways than I can count.


And I can count to a lot! I'm pretty good at math
Actually, and I only know this due to so much digging through this shit, they're saying they lack "cultural capital", or in other words, they're not powerful enough. Basically, they're too oppressed to be oppressors.

They are also saying they can't make informed value judgements. Either value judgement means a completely different thing in their jargon, or they are straight-up saying that "[oppressed minority] can't make informed decisions about right and wrong"
I don't really have a reply to that, but the information I'm going to post is related, so I'm quoting. My father works with the mentally disabled, and is now in a management position at his job. They have him taking online college classes (that they pay for) so he will be able to move further up. I was getting food, and overheard it, and so went to check it out. They were teaching about cultural capital (with those actual words, no less), and how privileged people have their thoughts given more weight than unprivileged people. So, yeah.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on July 15, 2013, 07:50:01 pm
Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/7417baf77820e66d50117c7cdcd1b415/tumblr_mep7pizYrG1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)
Sushi.

Your argument is invalid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 15, 2013, 08:16:36 pm
...sushi is typically eaten wrapped in rice.

You could make the argument for sashimi, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on July 15, 2013, 09:04:18 pm
Even so, rice doesn't have much of any flavor by itself. The meat is (depending on the specific dish), uncooked and unseasoned.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 15, 2013, 10:12:38 pm
Return of the Hookah Avengers:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/9e3e023274faa4967d5e8d87d27add38/tumblr_mpt7s98ctz1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Also these:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1fd74db318927beef6d49cbc06d5737c/tumblr_mp8tu0baZf1rmluldo1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e45c6df45575826d71b0836b3a9ba532/tumblr_mpxs376IgM1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 10:37:48 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/786de816a85e78c97ff8a4075e72c0b7/tumblr_mf3ugqFzBX1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Split personality of THE ANDROMEDA GALAXY. You've got to be kidding me.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/36492468e5378fe994cc462dceac0395/tumblr_mfobt4z9ii1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Autosexuality

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_medbqjjb5p1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_medbjnB0Re1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_medaabUDab1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 15, 2013, 10:44:51 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 10:37:48 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/786de816a85e78c97ff8a4075e72c0b7/tumblr_mf3ugqFzBX1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Split personality of THE ANDROMEDA GALAXY. You've got to be kidding me.
My first assumption was that he had a split personality of a jedi...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 15, 2013, 10:45:23 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 10:37:48 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/786de816a85e78c97ff8a4075e72c0b7/tumblr_mf3ugqFzBX1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Split personality of THE ANDROMEDA GALAXY. You've got to be kidding me.

The dude who claimed to have an entire universe in his head was even better.

Also that chick who claimed to have The Doctor in her head.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 15, 2013, 11:13:28 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 15, 2013, 05:13:43 pm
So basically tumblr has just become an extension of LJ then.

Tumblr is livejournal's bastard child. There was a lot of hope in a lot of writing communities that once crossover between the two became large scale the wank would stop. Nope. All that happened was that the old wank got a new audience. And the triggers got weirder. One group I was on eons ago had a woman who claimed to have served in the army and suffered from PTSD as an aftereffect. She had a trigger that she would babble about for days if someone posted something without a warning. It wasn't rape, guro, or anything you would expect would trigger an army vet. It was mpreg. On livejournal she became the butt of a "sex makes babbies" joke. On tumblr she is viewed as a proud feminist of the third wave who is defending our female identity. Even though she's been known to trash women who have children for drinking the patriarchal koolaid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 15, 2013, 11:21:02 pm
Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_medbjnB0Re1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

I can understand the frustration...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 15, 2013, 11:29:24 pm
I've got to ask: If I tell the "mpreg makes me foam and shake like the woman from Jesus Camp" bitch that if a transman were to be raped and become pregnant technically that's mpreg, am I justified or being bitchy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 15, 2013, 11:31:12 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 15, 2013, 11:29:24 pm
I've got to ask: If I tell the "mpreg makes me foam and shake like the woman from Jesus Camp" bitch that if a transman were to be raped and become pregnant technically that's mpreg, am I justified or being bitchy?

What kind of incident in the military has resulted in her PTSD being triggered by Junior?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 15, 2013, 11:53:32 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 15, 2013, 11:31:12 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 15, 2013, 11:29:24 pm
I've got to ask: If I tell the "mpreg makes me foam and shake like the woman from Jesus Camp" bitch that if a transman were to be raped and become pregnant technically that's mpreg, am I justified or being bitchy?

What kind of incident in the military has resulted in her PTSD being triggered by Junior?

The hell if I know. It's her excuse. "I have PTSD, therefore I have real triggers. I find mpreg icky and an insult to my brand of feminism. I'm going to scream trigger about mpreg because most of these idiots don't know what a real trigger is," seemed to be her line of thinking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 16, 2013, 12:24:45 am
I can't stand the thought of knocking a girl up because that shit is, quite honestly, horrifying beyond belief, to me.  Give proof that its a proper trigger for you, and maybe I'd believe ya.  Until then, you're a fuckin poser.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 16, 2013, 12:58:25 am
Quote
So I went to the grocery store today. I got to the checkout counter, and the person ringing me up was a man. He kept staring at me like I was a fucking piece of meat, and then after I sat my money down on the counter, he tried to give me my change by putting it in my hand. I told him to set my change down on the counter, because I don’t want him to touch me, and he made a funny face, and somewhat of a silent fuss over it (probably because that trash wanted to touch me) and so I did what I always do when barraged by the reality of the male gaze.

I spit in his fucking face and told him to stop touching me, and to stop staring at my tits.

A woman came over (who was the manager thank god) and I told her that this employee was trying to touch me inappropriately, and kept staring at me in a lewd manner, and I walked off.

Hope he got fired.


I highly doubt this happened.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 01:06:08 am
Quote
So I went to the grocery store today. I got to the checkout counter, and the person ringing me up was a man some awkward teenage boy. He kept staring at me like I was a fucking piece of meat due to the angry glares I was giving him, and then after I sat my money down on the counter, he tried to give me my change by putting it in my hand as is typically expected of cashiers in almost every store. I told him to set my change down on the counter, because I don’t want him to touch me, and he made a funny face, and somewhat of a silent fuss over it (probably because that trash wanted to touch me) stared at him until he put the change on the counter and so I did what I always do when barraged by the reality of the male gaze.

I spit in his fucking face and told him to stop touching me, and to stop staring at my tits.

A woman came over (who was the manager thank god) and I told her that this employee was trying to touch me inappropriately, and kept staring at me in a lewd manner, and I walked off. walked out of the store, silently fuming and composing this Tumblr post in my head.

Hope he got fired.


What actually happened.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 16, 2013, 01:14:41 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 15, 2013, 11:21:02 pm
Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_medbjnB0Re1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

I can understand the frustration...

Every day? I'd probably get frustrated and dismayed, too. But at some point I might try actually being helpful for once and try to point things out in a calm, collected, rational manner.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 16, 2013, 01:16:04 am
Quote
So I went to the grocery store today. I got to the checkout counter, and the person ringing me up was a man. He kept staring at me like I was a fucking piece of meat, and then after I sat my money down on the counter, he tried to give me my change by putting it in my hand. I told him to set my change down on the counter, because I don’t want him to touch me, and he made a funny face, and somewhat of a silent fuss over it (probably because that trash wanted to touch me) and so I did what I always do when barraged by the reality of the male gaze.

I spit in his fucking face and told him to stop touching me, and to stop staring at my tits.

A woman came over (who was the manager thank god) and I told her that this employee was trying to touch me inappropriately, and kept staring at me in a lewd manner, and I walked off.

Hope he got fired.

Highly implausible. But if she IS telling the truth, then she's admitting to committing assault and this can be used as evidence against her if the employee wished to press charges.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 16, 2013, 12:52:15 pm
Quote from: askold on July 15, 2013, 10:44:51 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 15, 2013, 10:37:48 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/786de816a85e78c97ff8a4075e72c0b7/tumblr_mf3ugqFzBX1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Split personality of THE ANDROMEDA GALAXY. You've got to be kidding me.
My first assumption was that he had a split personality of a jedi...
Well, their name is AndromedaLovesYou. So yeah.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f2b25d1aa7b1a679450dac02e581da7d/tumblr_mesczzsuSf1ryeto5o1_500.gif)
Reasonable until the people going around it.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/213a688fe3cac9b37a5f8afab13a8818/tumblr_mevvi2qqkD1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Outside of Germany, Finland and Sweden's tendency to put out awesome metal, fuck no. I'm sure Germany and Spain are SO FUCKING SIMILAR.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/a9ad19e0d03b8442afa7a21116c05be6/tumblr_mfid7s5qi81ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Ugg, this idiot. Uggs are horrible (it's the sound you make when sicked for fuck's sake), but not for that.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mekw3zF3qi1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Yep, no use for cispeople at all.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mejlfiZmzn1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
That's casual sexism, sure, but not heterosexism. If the boyfriend and the girlfriend know about each other, good on you though. I've always been fine that. If not, you're a cheating dick, you cheating dick. Basically, this could have been a good post if the poster had focused on the real issue, the casual sexism, not the "heterosexism" (is that the same as homophobia, and if so, can we hit them for being confusing?), since statistically, you're likely to be straight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on July 16, 2013, 01:06:20 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 16, 2013, 12:52:15 pm

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f2b25d1aa7b1a679450dac02e581da7d/tumblr_mesczzsuSf1ryeto5o1_500.gif)
Reasonable until the people going around it.
Picky point about this, the comic isn't saying "respect my phantom wing and go around it", it's saying that sometimes it seems like other people notice it and go around it anyway. Note that it's right after the line "there are odd exceptions [to it not being a physical thing]" (Also not social justice-y, really. If you read it, that comic is largely an explanation of what it's like to be a therian. I was actually gonna post a few of the comics in my thread at some point before arguments happened.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on July 16, 2013, 01:39:17 pm
Comparing otherkin and therianthropy to phantom limbs? plz no
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on July 16, 2013, 01:45:19 pm
Actually, it's.. kind of a thing. You can call me crazy or say I have an overactive imagination or whatever, but I have experienced this to a degree.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 02:00:51 pm
http://little-missandry.tumblr.com/

Quote
Anonymous asked: Would you do porn?

No. The porn industry is inherently misogynistic. Every porn actress is abused in some way, shape, or form. They are literally raped for your entertainment.

You sicken me.

Emphasis theirs.

Regarding an 8-year-old autistic boy who was raped:

Quote
Except males can’t be raped. sorry.

Yes, it’s horrible what happened to him, but this is more ableism than anything.

But don’t you dare equate the rape of women to sexual assault of males. They are not the same thing. Let me say that again:

They are not the same thing.

There's more, but I can't stand going through this hateful shit anymore.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 16, 2013, 02:27:37 pm
.....oh dear someone needs to be told the definition of the word RAPE!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 16, 2013, 02:33:15 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 02:00:51 pm
http://little-missandry.tumblr.com/

Quote
Anonymous asked: Would you do porn?

No. The porn industry is inherently misogynistic. Every porn actress is abused in some way, shape, or form. They are literally raped for your entertainment.

You sicken me.

Emphasis theirs.

Regarding an 8-year-old autistic boy who was raped:

Quote
Except males can’t be raped. sorry.

Yes, it’s horrible what happened to him, but this is more ableism than anything.

But don’t you dare equate the rape of women to sexual assault of males. They are not the same thing. Let me say that again:

They are not the same thing.

There's more, but I can't stand going through this hateful shit anymore.

I would adore knowing when the hell social justice warriors decided to become rape apologists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 16, 2013, 02:38:08 pm
Because social justice warriors by and large, are idiots.  They want to be special snowflakes so bad that if it happens to a male, it's not rape.  In fact, white cis males are the reason the world is in such shit according to these idiots.

Ironbite-so yeah....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on July 16, 2013, 02:53:36 pm
Quote
Male homosexuality is a manifestation of their misogyny.

Yeah, this and several other quotes from her page make me think she's a radscum.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 16, 2013, 03:08:39 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 16, 2013, 02:33:15 pm
I would adore knowing when the hell social justice warriors decided to become rape apologists.
When it came to acknowledging that the groups they claim victimise everyone else can and are victimised themselves. That or when the institutional racism business they tried to cram into the word racism starts seeping into everything else. No no, men have the power, they can't be raped, it's totally different if a man does it. Just like how anyone who isn't white can't be racist, no matter how racially motivated their hatred might be! A rather massive reason i have an abject hatred of people using the definition, it creates a set of people it simply claims cannot be victimised, and thus their claims of such should be ignored. Which is roughly the opposite of social justice as far as I can tell.

Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on July 16, 2013, 02:53:36 pm
Quote
Male homosexuality is a manifestation of their misogyny.

Yeah, this and several other quotes from her page make me think she's a radscum.
Wait, wouldn't radscum prefer men be gay? That way they aren't raping and oppressing women... right? We'd be raping and oppressing eachother... or is that not how relationships work?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on July 16, 2013, 03:18:08 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on July 16, 2013, 02:53:36 pm
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Male homosexuality is a manifestation of their misogyny.

Yeah, this and several other quotes from her page make me think she's a radscum.
Wait, wouldn't radscum prefer men be gay? That way they aren't raping and oppressing women... right? We'd be raping and oppressing eachother... or is that not how relationships work?
[/quote]

Radscums just don't seem to like men, period.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 16, 2013, 03:59:44 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 16, 2013, 02:33:15 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 02:00:51 pm
http://little-missandry.tumblr.com/

Quote
Anonymous asked: Would you do porn?

No. The porn industry is inherently misogynistic. Every porn actress is abused in some way, shape, or form. They are literally raped for your entertainment.

You sicken me.

Emphasis theirs.

Regarding an 8-year-old autistic boy who was raped:

Quote
Except males can’t be raped. sorry.

Yes, it’s horrible what happened to him, but this is more ableism than anything.

But don’t you dare equate the rape of women to sexual assault of males. They are not the same thing. Let me say that again:

They are not the same thing.

There's more, but I can't stand going through this hateful shit anymore.

I would adore knowing when the hell social justice warriors decided to become rape apologists.

SJWs seem to believe that "privilege" can magically prevent anything horrible from happening to said "privileged" person.
For example:
(http://media.tumblr.com/b6c199681ff262357ea5d0fd1baa7666/tumblr_inline_mndtnmQqdv1qz4rgp.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 16, 2013, 08:55:36 pm
Rape is now non-consensual sex plus power. Because why not.



Quote from: Randomwolf42 on July 16, 2013, 01:45:19 pm
Actually, it's.. kind of a thing. You can call me crazy or say I have an overactive imagination or whatever, but I have experienced this to a degree.

By 'this', do you include people who aren't you/physical objects reacting to phantom limbs?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on July 16, 2013, 09:05:31 pm
Ah.. no. I meant experiencing the phantom limbs themselves. Nothing reacts to them. The person who made the comic is talking about something they themselves seem to have observed, but it may be because these phantom limbs can feel so real it can seem like things/people are reacting to them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 09:06:39 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 16, 2013, 02:33:15 pm
I would adore knowing when the hell social justice warriors decided to become rape apologists.

Worst part is, she's accused anyone who disagrees with her of being a rape apologist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 16, 2013, 09:16:28 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 09:06:39 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 16, 2013, 02:33:15 pm
I would adore knowing when the hell social justice warriors decided to become rape apologists.

Worst part is, she's accused anyone who disagrees with her of being a rape apologist.
I don't know whether to make a "Don't do drugs" joke or a "Don't go off your meds" joke about her.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me2u8ilkMK1ryeto5o1_400.png)
Well, I'd try it at least once.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mejotvafLo1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/2c3db06b8a2ce11980503725d60f4ed4/tumblr_men8mccEhj1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
No, you aren't. You'd be dead by now if you were triggered by "he" and "she". You'd flip out watching ads, TV, movies, anything. You are slightly annoyed. Not triggered.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/321e00f9a0f81fda6de2da2cd7ae7a50/tumblr_meomaz7a351ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7yqxptQj1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
He's trying to help you, you twat. He doesn't want you to be like him. It's like me telling my girlfriend I'll kill her if she self-harms. It's not male privilege, it's because I know that once you start, it's damn hard to stop and stay stopped, and I don't want her to be like me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 09:21:01 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 16, 2013, 09:16:28 pm
I don't know whether to make a "Don't do drugs" joke or a "Don't go off your meds" joke about her.

I think a combination of the two would be perfectly fitting in this case.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 16, 2013, 09:28:29 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 09:21:01 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 16, 2013, 09:16:28 pm
I don't know whether to make a "Don't do drugs" joke or a "Don't go off your meds" joke about her.

I think a combination of the two would be perfectly fitting in this case.
Illegal drugs and untreated mental illness: don't mix them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 16, 2013, 09:54:52 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 16, 2013, 09:16:28 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7yqxptQj1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
He's trying to help you, you twat. He doesn't want you to be like him. It's like me telling my girlfriend I'll kill her if she self-harms. It's not male privilege, it's because I know that once you start, it's damn hard to stop and stay stopped, and I don't want her to be like me.

It's not male privilege. If anything, feminism is to make it so that neither men nor women feel they have to cut and then hide those cuts. He's not saying it's okay for him to cut and not you. He's saying "I've been there and I don't want you to cut, too."

You know what's hard? Being a cutter and having a significant other be a cutter too. Because you both struggle and can be triggered by each other. But at the same time, you can help each other. The trick is not to put responsibility on the other. Doing stuff like 'if you cut, then I cut' is harmful to the ability to heal and not relapse into cutting again.

However, if he had really said 'can't and won't tolerate it' then that's a problem with how he said it. Telling a cutter something like that won't help them heal. It'll make them hate themselves more and up the possibility of relapse as well as make them find different places to hide it. But it still isn't male privilege. Stop using that phrase attached to something like self-harm.

Oh and re: grey delisle cause damn she's not liked by a lot of tumblr not just SJW- The criticisms against her are fair. Her twitter and tumblr are full of her so-called 'jokes'. She's transphobic, sexist, misogynistic, and has been known to send hate to her fans.

She tried apologizing about it and uh...

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mazibtQoD81rru8mr.png)

Welp...

Now whether you should get up in arms about a joke about spousal abuse is up to you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 16, 2013, 09:56:28 pm
Yeah Grey's....special.

Ironbite-as in she doesn't give a fuck about most social norms.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 16, 2013, 10:04:22 pm
...Well I've quickly lost all respect for her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 16, 2013, 10:21:50 pm
I never had any respect for her as a person.  She's a voice actress.  A fairly good one, that's it.

Ironbite-her views on social issues, I just don't give a crap about 'em.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 16, 2013, 10:28:18 pm
So she's one of those talented asshole types? Oh well.

http://pretendbians.com/2013/07/16/obsessive-heterosexual-harasses-lesbian-activist/

I leave it up to you to decide which one of these ladies is the reason why I'm posting this.

Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 09:06:39 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 16, 2013, 02:33:15 pm
I would adore knowing when the hell social justice warriors decided to become rape apologists.

Worst part is, she's accused anyone who disagrees with her of being a rape apologist.

Understandable, really. When you've connected rape with everything, how is it possible for anyone to disagree with you without rape apology? Once you've dug that hole, no one can reason with you, it's up to you to figure out on your own that you're being unreasonable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 16, 2013, 10:37:46 pm
Quote from: Lithp on July 16, 2013, 10:28:18 pm
So she's one of those talented asshole types? Oh well.

http://pretendbians.com/2013/07/16/obsessive-heterosexual-harasses-lesbian-activist/

I leave it up to you to decide which one of these ladies is the reason why I'm posting this.

Can I cheat by saying "both of them"?

Though I will say, judging by bugbrennan's responses alone, that I hate her more than the other person.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 16, 2013, 10:50:08 pm
Oh, Cathy Brennan. Claims that being a lesbian is a political stance, and then runs a website called "Pretendbians".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 16, 2013, 10:55:37 pm
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Can I cheat by saying "both of them"?

I've stated a few times now that it's like watching someone make faces at her own reflection.

Quote
Oh, Cathy Brennan. Claims that being a lesbian is a political stance, and then runs a website called "Pretendbians".

It amazes me just how often she contradicts herself. If being a lesbian is a political stance, then how can sexuality be driven by biology? How can there be "real" lesbians & "fake" lesbians? For that matter, why is the woman who harps on about "compulsory heterosexuality" constantly assigning sexual orientations to people?

And now she's apparently biphobic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 16, 2013, 11:00:05 pm
Brennan is a transphobic piece of shit. Aaminah is someone who needs to focus her efforts in something more productive than yelling at Brennan.

I don't know who you are posting for, but I do know who the bigger problem is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 16, 2013, 11:34:42 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 16, 2013, 09:54:52 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 16, 2013, 09:16:28 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7yqxptQj1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
He's trying to help you, you twat. He doesn't want you to be like him. It's like me telling my girlfriend I'll kill her if she self-harms. It's not male privilege, it's because I know that once you start, it's damn hard to stop and stay stopped, and I don't want her to be like me.

It's not male privilege. If anything, feminism is to make it so that neither men nor women feel they have to cut and then hide those cuts. He's not saying it's okay for him to cut and not you. He's saying "I've been there and I don't want you to cut, too."

You know what's hard? Being a cutter and having a significant other be a cutter too. Because you both struggle and can be triggered by each other. But at the same time, you can help each other. The trick is not to put responsibility on the other. Doing stuff like 'if you cut, then I cut' is harmful to the ability to heal and not relapse into cutting again.

However, if he had really said 'can't and won't tolerate it' then that's a problem with how he said it. Telling a cutter something like that won't help them heal. It'll make them hate themselves more and up the possibility of relapse as well as make them find different places to hide it. But it still isn't male privilege. Stop using that phrase attached to something like self-harm.

Oh and re: grey delisle cause damn she's not liked by a lot of tumblr not just SJW- The criticisms against her are fair. Her twitter and tumblr are full of her so-called 'jokes'. She's transphobic, sexist, misogynistic, and has been known to send hate to her fans.

She tried apologizing about it and uh...

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mazibtQoD81rru8mr.png)

Welp...

Now whether you should get up in arms about a joke about spousal abuse is up to you.
Completely agreed. Note, my girlfriend doesn't self harm, but I am recovering from it and due to her mental issues, it has come up in discussions before (there's exactly one instance where she almost did, before I met her, during a bad hallucination due to her paranoid schizophrenia, she tried to give herself a Glasgow smile with scissors but stopped before she had done more than inside one side of her lips). However, that said, his wording was bad. You don't make them feel guilty for it, you are kind and caring. And, that said, I didn't know Grey was such a bitch. Then again, her parents named her Grey. They couldn't have been that great a raising her if they screwed up that badly that early on.

The girl calling Brennan out, wow. I'm impressed. Such rage is rare. Aaminah seems like a cool person, and if Brennan is so butthurt over it, then she did good. She also looks like a less pale version of my sister.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 16, 2013, 11:45:50 pm
I don't know much about her personally. I suppose I did imply that she was just as bad as Brennan. However, what I actually meant is that she is behaving so similarly to how Brennan often does, particularly a week or so ago with Everyday Lesbophobia, that attempting to pick the lesser of the 2 shitfests seems rather pointless to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 16, 2013, 11:48:51 pm
Quote
Thin privilege is being viewed as a trophy by the person you care about because you’re thin.

Thin privilege is being viewed as a "trophy" and not an actual person.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 16, 2013, 11:56:16 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 16, 2013, 11:48:51 pm
Quote
Thin privilege is being viewed as a trophy by the person you care about because you’re thin.

Thin privilege is being viewed as a "trophy" and not an actual person.

Textbook example of why I think the whole premise of thisisthinprivilege is flawed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 17, 2013, 07:49:29 am
I want this to be a poe:
Quote
BIOLOGICAL SEX IS A CISSEXIST TRANSPHOBIC CONCEPT AND YOU SHOULD JUST STOP USING IT.
Don't really think it is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 17, 2013, 08:08:33 am
Quote from: Distind on July 17, 2013, 07:49:29 am
I want this to be a poe:
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BIOLOGICAL SEX IS A CISSEXIST TRANSPHOBIC CONCEPT AND YOU SHOULD JUST STOP USING IT.
Don't really think it is.

Full thing's better:

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Only thing I agree with is it's weird as fuck to refer to genitals as "sex". What you do with them with other people is sex.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 17, 2013, 08:43:41 am
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 17, 2013, 10:57:46 am
Well, they're right about one thing. Me and my best friend are not in our right minds. Though I can't tell which is better: the post or the description of the blog.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on July 17, 2013, 04:13:30 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 17, 2013, 08:43:41 am
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I kind of agree with this one, actually, if I'm reading it right. I don't like traditional, binary gender rolls telling me what I can and can't like, what I can and can't wear, how I can and can't act.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 17, 2013, 04:27:53 pm
On the other hand this person is basically complaining about other people wanting to express certain traits because they want to, chalking it up to "Gender Norms"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 17, 2013, 05:11:30 pm
Quote from: JohnE on July 17, 2013, 04:13:30 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 17, 2013, 08:43:41 am
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I kind of agree with this one, actually, if I'm reading it right. I don't like traditional, binary gender rolls telling me what I can and can't like, what I can and can't wear, how I can and can't act.
I could roll with it in the right context. It's actually one of the things that gets my goat in some conversations. You are who you are, not who you look like or who you act like. Forcing yourself into a role isn't going to help anyone. Do what you feel you should do. Though in some cases that'll probably be nothing, in which case force yourself to do something useful like learn or clean.

Though it's probably in a less favorable, more demeaning context aimed at people who are simply doing their thing and managing to offend someone in the process.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 17, 2013, 05:41:40 pm
Quote from: JohnE on July 17, 2013, 04:13:30 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 17, 2013, 08:43:41 am
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I kind of agree with this one, actually, if I'm reading it right. I don't like traditional, binary gender rolls telling me what I can and can't like, what I can and can't wear, how I can and can't act.
The stupid comes from the fact that they're blaming gender binary people, including trans* people, for it. They're claiming that ALL gender binary people are at fault for ALL gender norms.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 17, 2013, 08:32:59 pm
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Are you kidding me right now? Yeah. Totally gonna compensate just because I have a baby face. Of course. How silly of me. Brb.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on July 17, 2013, 09:25:12 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 17, 2013, 05:41:40 pm
Quote from: JohnE on July 17, 2013, 04:13:30 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 17, 2013, 08:43:41 am
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I kind of agree with this one, actually, if I'm reading it right. I don't like traditional, binary gender rolls telling me what I can and can't like, what I can and can't wear, how I can and can't act.
The stupid comes from the fact that they're blaming gender binary people, including trans* people, for it. They're claiming that ALL gender binary people are at fault for ALL gender norms.

I'm interpretting "gender binary people" as people who believe and assert that gender is a binary. I definitely live as a "binary" female, but that is more happenstance than anything and if people don't want to conform to one gender or the other, that's they're right. I see no problem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 17, 2013, 09:41:32 pm
Redd's current Tumblr: http://romulanprincess.tumblr.com/

Please don't harass or try to troll them, just observe.

Mostly they're posting random fandom shit, but there are a few amusing posts.

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   I have a fucking mental illness and I still have to clear out the dirty nasty shit in the basement and garage

but you get to not dirty your hands because?????? you don’t want to?

ok

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   like my dad walks into my room all the time without knocking but like not the bathroom

like at least he fucking knows there’s a 90% chance I’m just lying on my bed watching tv shows or playing video games

but when I’m in the bathroom he doesn’t go fucking open the door like a goddamn white person

stg they are animals
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 17, 2013, 11:34:50 pm
The last one gives me all kinds of 'huh?'
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 17, 2013, 11:39:10 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/6e63391fd0667ff0cd0c350b832442b7/tumblr_mpxn9ugsif1s6iq1po1_500.png)

Or maybe they were just wondering why someone would get married in a McDonalds?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 18, 2013, 12:30:57 am
Meh, I'm just waiting for someone to post something along the lines of 'thin privilege is being able to fit through a narrow gap in a wall.'
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on July 18, 2013, 12:43:56 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 17, 2013, 11:39:10 pm
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Or maybe they were just wondering why someone would get married in a McDonalds?

That's not even the origin of the meme. It's just "meanwhile in X" and then you show the weird image. This person needs to stop raging and start thinking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 18, 2013, 01:24:31 am
Quote from: QueenofHearts on July 17, 2013, 09:25:12 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 17, 2013, 05:41:40 pm
Quote from: JohnE on July 17, 2013, 04:13:30 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 17, 2013, 08:43:41 am
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I kind of agree with this one, actually, if I'm reading it right. I don't like traditional, binary gender rolls telling me what I can and can't like, what I can and can't wear, how I can and can't act.
The stupid comes from the fact that they're blaming gender binary people, including trans* people, for it. They're claiming that ALL gender binary people are at fault for ALL gender norms.

I'm interpretting "gender binary people" as people who believe and assert that gender is a binary. I definitely live as a "binary" female, but that is more happenstance than anything and if people don't want to conform to one gender or the other, that's they're right. I see no problem.
I oh so very hope you're right, Queen. That would mean that they're not stupid. However, with the SJWs on Tumblr, you can't be completely certain. Basically, I hope you're right, but I fear you're not.

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Besides for applying tons of labels and then saying he's against them, anyone wanna explain how a crossdresser gets large breasts in a bikini?

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Asexuals (real ones): They don't want to fuck. That is all. Everyone here is stupid.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 18, 2013, 02:18:19 am
I'm calling "troll" on that last one.

Or "desperate snowflake".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on July 18, 2013, 05:16:59 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 18, 2013, 01:24:31 am
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Meanwhile in Bizarro World...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 18, 2013, 05:34:04 am
What kind of world do you live in if the pinnacle of entertainment is dragqueens?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on July 18, 2013, 07:27:06 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 18, 2013, 05:34:04 am
What kind of world do you live in if the pinnacle of entertainment is dragqueens?

Pantomime world?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 18, 2013, 07:38:17 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 18, 2013, 02:18:19 am
I'm calling "troll" on that last one.

Or "desperate snowflake".

On that note, Snowflake powers activate!
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Skoliosexuality is an attraction primarily toward individuals who identify outside of the gender binary.

Edit:
And how'd I miss this?
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what do cis white able-bodied heterosexual males have to fear when they leave the house besides misplacing their “i love boobies" bracelets?

I can answer this. EVERYTHING.

No one gives a shit about us any more than anyone else, and there's no real stigma attached to harming us as there may be to... any other group out there? Though there aren't many people who'd do it for sport.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 18, 2013, 08:38:10 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 18, 2013, 05:34:04 am
What kind of world do you live in if the pinnacle of entertainment is dragqueens?
I'd imagine it's a world where Reality TV bloomed faster than it did in our own, and as a result, Twiggy Ramirez ended up with his own television show. Because 90s Twiggy would be the pinnacle of entertainment, with half of it being devoted to him rocking out, and the other half being devoted to him being funny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV8_Favf-uY). From there, being a crossdresser that likely would have pissed off SJWs (white guy dreads, anyone?) would just catch on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on July 18, 2013, 09:01:48 am
 
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 18, 2013, 05:34:04 am
What kind of world do you live in if the pinnacle of entertainment is dragqueens?

The magical realm of Izzardland.  So, uh, yeah.

Quote from: Distind on July 18, 2013, 07:38:17 am
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what do cis white able-bodied heterosexual males have to fear when they leave the house besides misplacing their “i love boobies" bracelets?

I can answer this. EVERYTHING.

No one gives a shit about us any more than anyone else, and there's no real stigma attached to harming us as there may be to... any other group out there? Though there aren't many people who'd do it for sport.

Ehhh...  We're still more likely to see protection from law enforcement, we're less likely to be harrassed, and rape, while a possibility, is not so likely that most men really think about it much.  This doesn't mean we have nothing to fear.  It's pretty stupid to think that just because someone's not in any special interest group that they can't suffer any problems, but let's not turn ourselves into martyrs here.  In general, we still have it better than pretty much anyone else.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 18, 2013, 09:34:36 am
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I'm compelled to actually answer this shit.
1. Because it's a cow. It has no concept of rape. It cannot experience trauma from it.
2. Because cows do not have sufficient intelligence to actually matter. They're, to put it bluntly, idiots. They have no potential. They have no meaning. They will never invent anything. They will never make breakthroughs. They'll never make an amazing song or film or book or show. They'll never win a war. They'll never protest anything. They will eat grass, reproduce, produce bodily waste, and die.
3. As said in point two, they have no potential or worth. The Jews, by being human beings, have potential. They have the ability to make a difference and change things, like any human being. Not all human beings are born equal potential, but almost all are born with some. Those with absolutely none are kept alive due to sentimental feelings evolved to continue the species.
4. Return to the aforementioned lack of potential in the animals. Additionally, none of these creatures are self-aware. They do not understand mirrors. They do not have a sense of "me". They are that dumb.
5. Because the only reason it isn't is because of modern medical science. Pills aren't natural. If you didn't have them, you'd be sick as hell.
6. Did I use any slurs or insults against vegans here?

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I agree with the asker, but I kinda like the bitch for being so inventive with her death threat.

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Nope, not making a Mein Teil joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 18, 2013, 11:47:52 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 18, 2013, 09:34:36 am
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I'm compelled to actually answer this shit.
1. Because it's a cow. It has no concept of rape. It cannot experience trauma from it.
2. Because cows do not have sufficient intelligence to actually matter. They're, to put it bluntly, idiots. They have no potential. They have no meaning. They will never invent anything. They will never make breakthroughs. They'll never make an amazing song or film or book or show. They'll never win a war. They'll never protest anything. They will eat grass, reproduce, produce bodily waste, and die.
3. As said in point two, they have no potential or worth. The Jews, by being human beings, have potential. They have the ability to make a difference and change things, like any human being. Not all human beings are born equal potential, but almost all are born with some. Those with absolutely none are kept alive due to sentimental feelings evolved to continue the species.
4. Return to the aforementioned lack of potential in the animals. Additionally, none of these creatures are self-aware. They do not understand mirrors. They do not have a sense of "me". They are that dumb.
5. Because the only reason it isn't is because of modern medical science. Pills aren't natural. If you didn't have them, you'd be sick as hell.
6. Did I use any slurs or insults against vegans here?

It's not true that cows don't experience trauma. In order for a cow to keep producing milk, she needs to be impregnated repeatedly (usually via a tool called the "rape rack"). After giving birth the calf will most likely be taken away from her, and cows, like most mammals, bond with their babies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 18, 2013, 12:00:39 pm
Quote from: Clochette on July 18, 2013, 11:47:52 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 18, 2013, 09:34:36 am
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I'm compelled to actually answer this shit.
1. Because it's a cow. It has no concept of rape. It cannot experience trauma from it.
2. Because cows do not have sufficient intelligence to actually matter. They're, to put it bluntly, idiots. They have no potential. They have no meaning. They will never invent anything. They will never make breakthroughs. They'll never make an amazing song or film or book or show. They'll never win a war. They'll never protest anything. They will eat grass, reproduce, produce bodily waste, and die.
3. As said in point two, they have no potential or worth. The Jews, by being human beings, have potential. They have the ability to make a difference and change things, like any human being. Not all human beings are born equal potential, but almost all are born with some. Those with absolutely none are kept alive due to sentimental feelings evolved to continue the species.
4. Return to the aforementioned lack of potential in the animals. Additionally, none of these creatures are self-aware. They do not understand mirrors. They do not have a sense of "me". They are that dumb.
5. Because the only reason it isn't is because of modern medical science. Pills aren't natural. If you didn't have them, you'd be sick as hell.
6. Did I use any slurs or insults against vegans here?

It's not true that cows don't experience trauma. In order for a cow to keep producing milk, she needs to be impregnated repeatedly (usually via a tool called the "rape rack"). After giving birth the calf will most likely be taken away from her, and cows, like most mammals, bond with their babies.
That's not proof that they feel trauma. I have a feeling that a month or two later, the cow will not remember the calf. When I say they do not experience trauma, I mean they literally do not have a concept of a traumatic event.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Auri-El on July 18, 2013, 12:20:12 pm
I don't believe all species are equal. I'm far less bothered about a beetle dying than, say, a cat.  But I generally think mammals, reptiles, and fish are semi-intelligent, and as such deserve protection. Not saying I have a problem with eating meat, but in respect of all life, I don't agree that the life of a cow doesn't matter just because she's not as intelligent as a dog or  adolphin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 18, 2013, 12:34:09 pm
I can't find the term "rape rack" except on kooky vegan-feminist sites, & one really disturbing Wikipedia article about monkey experiments.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on July 18, 2013, 12:55:18 pm
Cows, pigs, sheep and chickens can feel pain.  They have memory enough to remember who hurts them.  I don't think it's wrong to eat them, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't treat them as humanely as possible in that pursuit.  A lot of slaughter houses are unnecessarily cruel, and I think that that should be curbed.  Doesn't mean I think we should go vegan, though.  Just that I think we should try to avoid causing pain when it's avoidable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 18, 2013, 01:03:41 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 18, 2013, 12:00:39 pm
]That's not proof that they feel trauma. I have a feeling that a month or two later, the cow will not remember the calf. When I say they do not experience trauma, I mean they literally do not have a concept of a traumatic event.

You don't know that. Non-human animals are found to have higher intellectual and emotional capacity than previously thought every day. Like us, cattle have evolved to be highly protective of their young. We don't know if a cow will remember her baby months after it's taken away from her. We can't ask. But it's not a stretch that they very well might, when you look at their other intelligent behaviors.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadmanJohnson on July 18, 2013, 01:08:14 pm
Quote from: Lithp on July 18, 2013, 12:34:09 pm
I can't find the term "rape rack" except on kooky vegan-feminist sites, & one really disturbing Wikipedia article about monkey experiments.
That wikipedia article is going to keep me up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 18, 2013, 01:16:08 pm
Quote from: Clochette on July 18, 2013, 01:03:41 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 18, 2013, 12:00:39 pm
]That's not proof that they feel trauma. I have a feeling that a month or two later, the cow will not remember the calf. When I say they do not experience trauma, I mean they literally do not have a concept of a traumatic event.

You don't know that. Non-human animals are found to have higher intellectual and emotional capacity than previously thought every day. Like us, cattle have evolved to be highly protective of their young. We don't know if a cow will remember her baby months after it's taken away from her. We can't ask. But it's not a stretch that they very well might, when you look at their other intelligent behaviors.

But it's up to the animal rights activists to prove that a certain practice is inhumane. This person is just like, "Durr Jews!" & expects that shit to fly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 18, 2013, 01:20:45 pm
Godwinning is a surefire way to make people dismiss your claims, no matter how valid. I wish that other animal rights activists would avoid bringing up rape and the Holocaust. Even if the comparison is apt it ultimately just pisses people off.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 18, 2013, 01:23:40 pm
Quote from: MadmanJohnson on July 18, 2013, 01:08:14 pm
Quote from: Lithp on July 18, 2013, 12:34:09 pm
I can't find the term "rape rack" except on kooky vegan-feminist sites, & one really disturbing Wikipedia article about monkey experiments.
That wikipedia article is going to keep me up.
I found it quite interesting. While the results of the experiment were mainly common-sense, it was quite interesting to see how easy was for the monkeys to break (and, likewise, how easy it is for people). The rape rack part itself was interesting. It shows that a negative childhood can make an even more negative childhood for the next generation, which, if they survive, likely would only perpetuate itself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 18, 2013, 02:24:49 pm
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I don't even know what half of those things even are. Deathfat? Is that like some screamo band or something? And what the fuck is glamdrogynous?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 18, 2013, 02:33:53 pm
Androgynous and glamorous about it, one would guess.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 18, 2013, 02:51:16 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 18, 2013, 02:24:49 pm
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I don't even know what half of those things even are. Deathfat? Is that like some screamo band or something? And what the fuck is glamdrogynous?

I got exhausted trying to read that halfway thru. Goddamn, people. It's not a contest to see how many labels you can slap on yourself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 18, 2013, 03:13:35 pm
I don't know, I find it a wonderful way to realize there's absolutely nothing about this person that I would find interesting. If they spend all their time on this shit what could they possibly have to discuss that was interesting. Doesn't make it a contest, but if they act like it is one, easy sign.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 18, 2013, 04:15:34 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 18, 2013, 02:24:49 pm
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I don't even know what half of those things even are. Deathfat? Is that like some screamo band or something? And what the fuck is glamdrogynous?

I hate how tumblr "About Me" sections always amount to the person describing their sexual orientation in great detail and listing off any mental illnesses they diagnosed themselves with. If someone says that they're a demisexual hemiromantic with bipolar disorder and autism, it doesn't tell me a lot about who they are as a person.

Out of curiosity I looked up "deathfat" and it means that your BMI is in the "morbidly obese" range. "Flowerboy" is either a feminine man or a man who covers up his secret homosexuality via serial dating women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 18, 2013, 04:59:27 pm
(http://i41.tinypic.com/eqnyix.png)

I hope this is a Poe. If not, then I wonder how this person functions off of Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 18, 2013, 06:34:44 pm
I would walk up to her and say hello and start rattling off things I like about myself, just to get under her skin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 18, 2013, 08:23:25 pm
Quote from: Clochette on July 18, 2013, 04:15:34 pm

I hate how tumblr "About Me" sections always amount to the person describing their sexual orientation in great detail and listing off any mental illnesses they diagnosed themselves with.

Shit like that is why my Tumblr "About Me" is limited to a few vague sentences. At one point it was just "26, female, Canadian".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 18, 2013, 09:43:03 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/8af01acae237833b070ce33a63da59e0/tumblr_mpj411uhww1s628zzo1_500.gif)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/582bc77e1ee143785f1765a4bade5f74/tumblr_mpywyjF2YV1qih4auo1_500.gif)

Sinfest was fine until it went all feminist social justice sally. Then it just went downhill.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 19, 2013, 12:23:13 am
Glamdrogynous.

This is my new favorite label, i fucking love it
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 19, 2013, 02:26:48 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 19, 2013, 12:23:13 am
Glamdrogynous.

This is my new favorite label, i fucking love it

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 19, 2013, 10:07:54 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 18, 2013, 09:43:03 pm
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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/582bc77e1ee143785f1765a4bade5f74/tumblr_mpywyjF2YV1qih4auo1_500.gif)

Sinfest was fine until it went all feminist social justice sally. Then it just went downhill.

I used to love Sinfest. Now I can't read it without rolling my eyes. I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiments, but it's just so preachy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 19, 2013, 12:56:22 pm
Just because every time you think you've found the bottom some prick shows up with a shovel and enthusiasm:

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A BLOG ABOUT MY EXPERIENCES AS A TRANS-TEMPORAL WOMAN FROM THE 1800S LIVING IN TODAY'S WORLD.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 19, 2013, 01:03:40 pm
That's gotta be a parody. At least I hope it is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 19, 2013, 01:18:42 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/37f00c57334a7c06c2da519b662df0ef/tumblr_mfpophAogL1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 19, 2013, 01:24:21 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 19, 2013, 01:18:42 pm
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Yeah, try and befriend a moose, let me know how that works out. In fact, we'll make a game of it. You get one point for every intact bone you have left.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 19, 2013, 02:06:25 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on July 19, 2013, 01:03:40 pm
That's gotta be a parody. At least I hope it is.

It's far too deep into the realms of "Someone could possibly believe this about themselves" for me to comfortably call it a parody :-/

Seems like a naturally absurd conclusion to the nostalgia-fapping that's been going on since nostalgia's been a thing, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 19, 2013, 03:51:25 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 19, 2013, 01:24:21 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 19, 2013, 01:18:42 pm
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Yeah, try and befriend a moose, let me know how that works out. In fact, we'll make a game of it. You get one point for every intact bone you have left.

Plus the foxes, skunks, and opossums will just run away.

I love animals and I'm not particularly fond of people in general, but I don't understand people who think animals are morally superior or whatever. The ones who are intelligent enough to comprehend morality do good things, but they do bad things as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 19, 2013, 04:44:14 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 19, 2013, 01:18:42 pm

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TREASON!

*BLAM*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 19, 2013, 05:22:31 pm
I'm pretty sure that seeking to cause the extinction of an entire species of animal is decidedly anti-nature.

For the record, people seem to claim that humans are the only animal that destroys nature, but ask tree farmers what they think about deer coming up and marking trees with their antlers and come back to me on that matter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 19, 2013, 05:44:13 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 19, 2013, 04:44:14 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 19, 2013, 01:18:42 pm

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TREASON!

*BLAM*

Wtf is ear pointing?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 19, 2013, 05:50:39 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 19, 2013, 05:44:13 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 19, 2013, 04:44:14 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 19, 2013, 01:18:42 pm

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/ff7f084cfcee9cb549b71d6e3ec9106d/tumblr_mgnim8bHIJ1ryeto5o1_500.png)

TREASON!

*BLAM*

Wtf is ear pointing?

I'm willing to bet it's exactly what it sounds like: making yourself look more like an elf.

Looking at the post, I'm guessing this is a person who either wants to be an elf or is some kind of elfkin or whatnot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 19, 2013, 06:01:06 pm
Considering that in legend proper, elves are short and mischevious, I'm betting this is also fictionkin (probably LOTR-based elves)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 19, 2013, 06:28:47 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/b1768cf2f64c9096d2cd6674ff3a6a93/tumblr_mq4v57ksHM1spvi94o1_500.jpg)
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Looks like someone had a big bowl of bitch flakes this morning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 19, 2013, 07:44:55 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 19, 2013, 05:50:39 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 19, 2013, 05:44:13 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 19, 2013, 04:44:14 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 19, 2013, 01:18:42 pm

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/ff7f084cfcee9cb549b71d6e3ec9106d/tumblr_mgnim8bHIJ1ryeto5o1_500.png)

TREASON!

*BLAM*

Wtf is ear pointing?

I'm willing to bet it's exactly what it sounds like: making yourself look more like an elf.

Looking at the post, I'm guessing this is a person who either wants to be an elf or is some kind of elfkin or whatnot.

Oh. I thought it might have been a weird social justice campaign against people pointing at their ears.

Your explanation makes much more sense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 19, 2013, 08:02:34 pm
I'm like 99% sure this (http://culturalappropriation-in-media.tumblr.com/post/55641153597/cultural-appropriation-in-the-media-4-how-do-we) is a parody but...


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But when Sansa begins to live in the southern King’s Landing, she changes her hair to how one typically of the south.
Except Sansa is not of the South. She has no ties to the south, and is little more than a long-staying guest there. Therefore, she has no right to wear the styles of actual southern women.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 19, 2013, 08:49:30 pm
^^ I dunno, based on the content of the rest of the blog and the followups they posted, I think it might actually be real. That, or the person running it is very dedicated troll.

To be fair to the idiot, they're using it as an example of how cultural appropriation is supposedly normalized in fiction, rather than an actual example of appropriation. It's still stupid as hell, though, and rather insulting for them to put it up alongside genuine cases of racism and stereotyping in the media. Adapting to norms in a new region when relocating (particularly when you're encouraged to do so by the people in said region) in order to gain acceptance is basically the exact opposite of cultural misappropriation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 19, 2013, 08:50:38 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 19, 2013, 08:02:34 pm
I'm like 99% sure this (http://culturalappropriation-in-media.tumblr.com/post/55641153597/cultural-appropriation-in-the-media-4-how-do-we) is a parody but...


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But when Sansa begins to live in the southern King’s Landing, she changes her hair to how one typically of the south.
Except Sansa is not of the South. She has no ties to the south, and is little more than a long-staying guest there. Therefore, she has no right to wear the styles of actual southern women.

She's the Queen in the North now, she can do whatever the fuck she wants.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 19, 2013, 08:55:56 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 19, 2013, 08:02:34 pm
I'm like 99% sure this (http://culturalappropriation-in-media.tumblr.com/post/55641153597/cultural-appropriation-in-the-media-4-how-do-we) is a parody but...


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But when Sansa begins to live in the southern King’s Landing, she changes her hair to how one typically of the south.
Except Sansa is not of the South. She has no ties to the south, and is little more than a long-staying guest there. Therefore, she has no right to wear the styles of actual southern women.

The rest of the blog doesn't look like a parody. Worryingly enough. ETA: Antechrist beat me to it.

It's really odd because generally cultural appropriation is in terms of the oppressor culture taking elements from the oppressed and misusing them. The Crownlands are not oppressed by the North, if anything the power dynamics go the other way around. Blending in with the dominant culture is more or less the diametric opposite of cultural appropriation.

Also, 'long-staying guest' is hardly accurate. She was engaged to be married to Joffrey, the capital was to become her permanent residence. But that's nitpicking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 19, 2013, 08:58:55 pm
^^ But you managed to beat me to my edit, so it's pretty much a tie.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 19, 2013, 09:00:00 pm
Well, we certainly seem to think along the same lines.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 19, 2013, 09:22:43 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 19, 2013, 08:49:30 pm
^^ I dunno, based on the content of the rest of the blog and the followups they posted, I think it might actually be real. That, or the person running it is very dedicated troll.

To be fair to the idiot, they're using it as an example of how cultural appropriation is supposedly normalized in fiction, rather than an actual example of appropriation. It's still stupid as hell, though, and rather insulting for them to put it up alongside genuine cases of racism and stereotyping in the media. Adapting to norms in a new region when relocating (particularly when you're encouraged to do so by the people in said region) in order to gain acceptance is basically the exact opposite of cultural misappropriation.

Basically why I said not 100% because I was looking through the rest and they seem pretty sincere. Or they're very good at being a troll. Like forfuturereference was.

But yeah, exactly. She was adapting.

It's just another slam against Sansa Stark and frankly there's enough of it without bringing SJW stuff into it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 19, 2013, 09:35:58 pm
You know, I always thought FFRO was a pretty transparent troll, although they did seem to fool a lot of people for a long time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 19, 2013, 11:19:49 pm
They still fool people according to my dash. lol
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 20, 2013, 12:32:16 am
Quote
Him, yelling: “I like that skirt!"
 Me: “Shut the fuck up."
 Him: “It was just a compliment!"
 Me: “No, it wasn’t. It was disrespectful. Stop being disrespectful towards women."
 His friend: “It was just a fuckin’ compliment!"
 Me: “No, it was street harassment."
 His friend: “No it wasn’t!"
 Me, while walking away: “Yes, it was."
 Him: “Bitch"


 All while on my way to the LIBRARY. Actually, it happened IN FRONT of the library. Women can’t exist in peace even when going to the fucking library.

My sister is embarrassed by me right now. I had to defend myself in front of a group of people, and she’s embarrassed because all these people saw the altercation. He’s the one who should be embarrassed.

I am so proud of myself right now. I don’t even know how I would have handled the situation a year ago, but today I was strong.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 20, 2013, 12:38:47 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 20, 2013, 12:32:16 am
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Him, yelling: “I like that skirt!"
 Me: “Shut the fuck up."
 Him: “It was just a compliment!"
 Me: “No, it wasn’t. It was disrespectful. Stop being disrespectful towards women."
 His friend: “It was just a fuckin’ compliment!"
 Me: “No, it was street harassment."
 His friend: “No it wasn’t!"
 Me, while walking away: “Yes, it was."
 Him: “Bitch"


 All while on my way to the LIBRARY. Actually, it happened IN FRONT of the library. Women can’t exist in peace even when going to the fucking library.

My sister is embarrassed by me right now. I had to defend myself in front of a group of people, and she’s embarrassed because all these people saw the altercation. He’s the one who should be embarrassed.

I am so proud of myself right now. I don’t even know how I would have handled the situation a year ago, but today I was strong.

I can sympathize with her. After you get experience enough unwanted sexual attention masquerading as "just a compliment!" it's hard to tell the difference. It sounds like she'd taken it for years and finally snapped. And the "bitch!" at the end isn't helping that guy's case for not being sexist.

Or maybe he was a very sincere young man complimenting a lady's attractive dress and she completely misreported the incident, in which case disregard what I said, I guess.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 20, 2013, 01:01:45 am
I think it's a case of him giving her a sincere compliment and her overreacting.

And the replies get even better:

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YEP. Because only white women don’t like to constantly be objectified - to an object that men are completely allowed to shout at and treat like some kind of sexualised child.

This is absolutely disgusting. You should all be ashamed of yourselves (aside from the OP and the one person who stood up for her)

WHY is it okay to invade a woman’s space?

You don’t know them, it’s COMPLETELY inappropriate and wrong. Why? You have no idea what happened to them that day, they could have just discovered they were dying, or a friend was, or WHATEVER. They PROBABLY DON’T WANT TO HEAR FROM SOME CREEPY FUCKING STRANGER.

No, it’s not a compliment. You might as well yell “I FIND IT COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE TO YELL AT A YOUNG WOMAN BECAUSE I KNOW THERE’S LIKELY NOTHING SHE CAN DO AND I’M A COMPLETELY SELFISH PERSON WHO THINKS WHATEEEVER KIND OF BULLSHIT I HAVE TO SAY IS 1000000 TIMES MORE IMPORTANT THAN HER BEING ABLE TO LIVE HER LIFE WITHOUT FEAR AND FEELING LIKE SHE IS PREY TO SOME DISGUSTING CREEP" We don’t care whether you like how we look. We don’t. We realllly don’t. Got it? A stranger on the street has NOTHING to do with us, as we have NOTHING to do with you.

WHY is it that the OP deleted her post and turned off messages altogether?

Maybe it’s because she got a fuckton of hate from IDIOTS like you. Quite likely.

Now fuck off and die OR leave women alone. Either. That’s the choice.


And I thought the OP was overreacting. This is completely over the top.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 20, 2013, 01:34:25 am
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When everything is subversive, is anything subversive?

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 20, 2013, 01:44:56 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 20, 2013, 01:34:25 am

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Are you high?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 20, 2013, 02:08:48 am
Fairy wings.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 20, 2013, 02:22:47 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 20, 2013, 02:08:48 am
Fairy wings.
I prefer "slow molasses melting slopes".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on July 20, 2013, 05:20:14 am
So much fat it counts as a battle armor? Are you an ogre?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 20, 2013, 05:24:43 am
Quote from: Clochette on July 20, 2013, 12:38:47 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 20, 2013, 12:32:16 am
Quote
Him, yelling: “I like that skirt!"
 Me: “Shut the fuck up."
 Him: “It was just a compliment!"
 Me: “No, it wasn’t. It was disrespectful. Stop being disrespectful towards women."
 His friend: “It was just a fuckin’ compliment!"
 Me: “No, it was street harassment."
 His friend: “No it wasn’t!"
 Me, while walking away: “Yes, it was."
 Him: “Bitch"


 All while on my way to the LIBRARY. Actually, it happened IN FRONT of the library. Women can’t exist in peace even when going to the fucking library.

My sister is embarrassed by me right now. I had to defend myself in front of a group of people, and she’s embarrassed because all these people saw the altercation. He’s the one who should be embarrassed.

I am so proud of myself right now. I don’t even know how I would have handled the situation a year ago, but today I was strong.

I can sympathize with her. After you get experience enough unwanted sexual attention masquerading as "just a compliment!" it's hard to tell the difference. It sounds like she'd taken it for years and finally snapped. And the "bitch!" at the end isn't helping that guy's case for not being sexist.

Or maybe he was a very sincere young man complimenting a lady's attractive dress and she completely misreported the incident, in which case disregard what I said, I guess.

That's nothing. I was in a library once and some random guy came up to me and asked me if I wanted to go back to his place.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 20, 2013, 12:55:31 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 19, 2013, 05:22:31 pm
I'm pretty sure that seeking to cause the extinction of an entire species of animal is decidedly anti-nature.

For the record, people seem to claim that humans are the only animal that destroys nature, but ask tree farmers what they think about deer coming up and marking trees with their antlers and come back to me on that matter.

Wasn't there a cat who single pawedly destroyed an entire species of island bird?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on July 20, 2013, 01:46:06 pm
It really depends on how the guy said "I like that skirt!" She said he was yelling it, and if he said it with an intentionally suggestive tone, then I can understand being annoyed. I wouldn't respond the same way she did, probably just ignore him.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 20, 2013, 03:59:43 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on July 20, 2013, 01:46:06 pm
It really depends on how the guy said "I like that skirt!" She said he was yelling it, and if he said it with an intentionally suggestive tone, then I can understand being annoyed. I wouldn't respond the same way she did, probably just ignore him.

On the other hand, we've both found that a lot of people who are seeing persecution and discrimination where there is none tend to change their story when retelling it, sometimes (as with the woman who claimed to have spit in the face of a cashier for supposedly trying to touch her inappropriately by handing her change back) to the point of absurdity. Either they're intentionally spicing it up to make it sound more justified or they're thinking back on it afterward and letting their own opinions color the memory of the events.

For all we know, it was a regular guy who was genuinely complimenting her on her skirt and suddenly being shouted at for it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 20, 2013, 04:31:37 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on July 20, 2013, 01:46:06 pm
It really depends on how the guy said "I like that skirt!" She said he was yelling it, and if he said it with an intentionally suggestive tone, then I can understand being annoyed. I wouldn't respond the same way she did, probably just ignore him.

I'm a biased because I'm extremely skittish and hate loud noise, but I don't think you should be yelling at random strangers unless it's to point out that they're about to walk in front of a bus. Making sure a woman knows that you approve of her clothing choices is less important than not scaring or annoying her while she's trying to go about her business.

Maybe it was an overreaction on her part, but at least he might think twice the next time he feels an insatiable urge to shout unsolicited compliments.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on July 20, 2013, 05:19:52 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 20, 2013, 12:55:31 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 19, 2013, 05:22:31 pm
I'm pretty sure that seeking to cause the extinction of an entire species of animal is decidedly anti-nature.

For the record, people seem to claim that humans are the only animal that destroys nature, but ask tree farmers what they think about deer coming up and marking trees with their antlers and come back to me on that matter.

Wasn't there a cat who single pawedly destroyed an entire species of island bird?

Yup, the Stephan's Island Wren, driven extinct by the fearsome Tibbles.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on July 20, 2013, 06:32:53 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 20, 2013, 03:59:43 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on July 20, 2013, 01:46:06 pm
It really depends on how the guy said "I like that skirt!" She said he was yelling it, and if he said it with an intentionally suggestive tone, then I can understand being annoyed. I wouldn't respond the same way she did, probably just ignore him.

On the other hand, we've both found that a lot of people who are seeing persecution and discrimination where there is none tend to change their story when retelling it, sometimes (as with the woman who claimed to have spit in the face of a cashier for supposedly trying to touch her inappropriately by handing her change back) to the point of absurdity. Either they're intentionally spicing it up to make it sound more justified or they're thinking back on it afterward and letting their own opinions color the memory of the events.

For all we know, it was a regular guy who was genuinely complimenting her on her skirt and suddenly being shouted at for it.

She could very well be exaggerating or completely lying, but my response is more of a hypothetical one. Incidents like that do occur, and I think such a response would be justified if the guy were being an ass like that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 20, 2013, 07:35:56 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e5aebfc4835d0a085325fee270ef788b/tumblr_mfq5iquqFs1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Okay, I have no experience with imaginary friends myself. That being said, the one person I do know who does is a paranoid schizophrenic and her imaginary friend turned on her and began to hate her, when she was a kid. So, um, don't fuck with imaginary friends, I guess.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/8c8926e11c3eeb816e747f629b0c3693/tumblr_mfq5otTvpK1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
This just in, health care is ableist because it says people should be healthy.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/5c602b06e8c352486da2b2fa36323acf/tumblr_mfq5siKE7w1ryeto5o1_500.png)
The "Special" Snowflake Olympics.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdo67hN0rZ1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Racism is a lot older than that. Did you know that "barbarian" comes from the Romans, who thought that all other languages, especially Germanic ones like German and the early predecessor of English from their time period, sounded like "bar bar bar bar"? Or that the Romans were just assholes to the Germans in general? So, yeah, fuck you, ancient Rome (ironically, I'm 75% German, 25% Italian). Not to mention tribal warfare in Africa and Asia, or the Japanese and their horrible racism towards the rest of Asia (to be fair, they're the only Asian country that's first world, has a sane-ish government, isn't big on the "cruel and unusual punishment" and tends to be the source of innovation, so they do have a bit of a good reason for their ego).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 20, 2013, 08:34:40 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/fe419747179e69cb0cd4693a4d478989/tumblr_mpzz6qCjrs1ryeto5o1_500.png)

I'm learning something new every day.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on July 20, 2013, 09:41:37 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 20, 2013, 03:59:43 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on July 20, 2013, 01:46:06 pm
It really depends on how the guy said "I like that skirt!" She said he was yelling it, and if he said it with an intentionally suggestive tone, then I can understand being annoyed. I wouldn't respond the same way she did, probably just ignore him.

On the other hand, we've both found that a lot of people who are seeing persecution and discrimination where there is none tend to change their story when retelling it, sometimes (as with the woman who claimed to have spit in the face of a cashier for supposedly trying to touch her inappropriately by handing her change back) to the point of absurdity. Either they're intentionally spicing it up to make it sound more justified or they're thinking back on it afterward and letting their own opinions color the memory of the events.

For all we know, it was a regular guy who was genuinely complimenting her on her skirt and suddenly being shouted at for it.

I don't think his intentions were entirely pure by the way he called her a bitch at the end. I think if he did just intend it as a passing compliment, he would've apologized when she told him to back the fuck off and left it at that. A personal anecdote. About this time last year I was walking through the mall and a guy I've never seen told me "hey, I like your boots." I wasn't too confident in my voice so I walked by him without saying anything. After a few steps I hear him say "fine then, be a bitch." So, clearly, he was just using that innocent little compliment because he was hoping I would melt before his eyes and sleep with him right there. How can a woman tell the difference between someone who sincerely means those words and someone using those sweet nothings solely because they degrade women to sex objects? We can't. But a good way to not look like a tool is if a woman wants to be left alone, then apologize, and leave her alone. No man, except Chris Hemsworth, is entitled to our time.

Likewise, street harassment isn't just "hey there sugartits" or "nice ass." It's any form of talking to someone when they don't want it. Women hear both of them on a regular basis, that is "hey, I like your boots" and "nice ass." Clearly, the latter is just gonna get an annoyed sigh from me. The former, depending on the time of day, how I feel, whether or not I feel you're sincere, etc. can result in me being quiet, me asking to be left alone, or me opening up to you. If you get brushed off and push the issue, it's harassment.

And Chit, this is one of those things you don't understand. I say that from being in your shoes. Pre-transition, I thought "so what, a couple of guys want to talk to women, what's the big deal?" It wasn't until I started passing that society just becomes a torrent of guys who can't leave you alone. Like ever. Like walking through town, through the mall, riding the bus, on the metro, waiting in line somewhere, driving, walking to class, filling your car with gas, having coffee with friends, reading a book, sitting in the sun, playing pokemon of all things, I could go on.

True or not, because of this, I love it when women stand up to creepy men. I can't do anything in public without some creepy guy hitting on me (usually about 3 people in two hours*) and I've always kept quiet or polite. I wish I could tell people off like her, real or fake, I've seen countless creepy people who deserve that treatment. And the thing is, the creepy people just love to rationalize their actions from annoying & harassing to "well, it's only a compliment." Because of how common this rationalization is and how much men just don't understand it, in claims of street harassment, it would be more than safe to defer to the person being harassed. Who, sadly, is almost always a woman**.

*I made a game out of it one day while walking through the mall doing Christmas shopping. I called it "count the creepers." That number has been surprisingly consistent over the last 7 months (not including when I go clubbing).

**Not that men don't face street harassment here and there, just never at the same frequency as near always to understand how annoying it is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 20, 2013, 10:20:13 pm
Queen, I pretty much agree, and excellent post. The one thing I can't be too sure on is that by calling her a bitch he showed he had bad intentions. I know if I got screamed at by someone I was being nice to, I'd be rather bitter, and if it was a total stranger who wasn't in obvious distress, I might say something out loud. If it was someone I knew, even in passing (and didn't hate), or someone who seemed to already be having present issues, I'd leave it alone, but I know that even on a really good day I'd be pissed if someone got mad at me for trying to be nice. Then again, I'm the kind of person that generally tries to make people's days better. I've been in more than one situation where I'm the lone person helping someone who is bawling their eyes out while nobody pays attention or cares. If you complimented someone and their response was "Shut the fuck up", I don't see you, or pretty much anyone responding well to that, let alone apologizing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadmanJohnson on July 20, 2013, 10:37:43 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on July 20, 2013, 09:41:37 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 20, 2013, 03:59:43 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on July 20, 2013, 01:46:06 pm
It really depends on how the guy said "I like that skirt!" She said he was yelling it, and if he said it with an intentionally suggestive tone, then I can understand being annoyed. I wouldn't respond the same way she did, probably just ignore him.

On the other hand, we've both found that a lot of people who are seeing persecution and discrimination where there is none tend to change their story when retelling it, sometimes (as with the woman who claimed to have spit in the face of a cashier for supposedly trying to touch her inappropriately by handing her change back) to the point of absurdity. Either they're intentionally spicing it up to make it sound more justified or they're thinking back on it afterward and letting their own opinions color the memory of the events.

For all we know, it was a regular guy who was genuinely complimenting her on her skirt and suddenly being shouted at for it.

*Snippity snip snip!
I feel stupid but, who is Chris Hemsworth?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on July 20, 2013, 10:41:01 pm
Quote from: MadmanJohnson on July 20, 2013, 10:37:43 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on July 20, 2013, 09:41:37 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 20, 2013, 03:59:43 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on July 20, 2013, 01:46:06 pm
It really depends on how the guy said "I like that skirt!" She said he was yelling it, and if he said it with an intentionally suggestive tone, then I can understand being annoyed. I wouldn't respond the same way she did, probably just ignore him.

On the other hand, we've both found that a lot of people who are seeing persecution and discrimination where there is none tend to change their story when retelling it, sometimes (as with the woman who claimed to have spit in the face of a cashier for supposedly trying to touch her inappropriately by handing her change back) to the point of absurdity. Either they're intentionally spicing it up to make it sound more justified or they're thinking back on it afterward and letting their own opinions color the memory of the events.

For all we know, it was a regular guy who was genuinely complimenting her on her skirt and suddenly being shouted at for it.

*Snippity snip snip!
I feel stupid but, who is Chris Hemsworth?

This guy. (http://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=3267.msg119495#msg119495) He is entitled to my time :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 20, 2013, 10:43:17 pm
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Note that I didn't edit the last one.
I can't tell if they're a really extreme radfem, or a brilliant troll.

But what I love best about this blogger is how they consider everything to be "literally rape" with the only exception being actual rape of course!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on July 20, 2013, 11:31:27 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 20, 2013, 07:35:56 pm
Racism is a lot older than that. Did you know that "barbarian" comes from the Romans, who thought that all other languages, especially Germanic ones like German and the early predecessor of English from their time period, sounded like "bar bar bar bar"? Or that the Romans were just assholes to the Germans in general? So, yeah, fuck you, ancient Rome (ironically, I'm 75% German, 25% Italian). Not to mention tribal warfare in Africa and Asia, or the Japanese and their horrible racism towards the rest of Asia (to be fair, they're the only Asian country that's first world, has a sane-ish government, isn't big on the "cruel and unusual punishment" and tends to be the source of innovation, so they do have a bit of a good reason for their ego).

Greeks, actually, and they were talking mostly about the Medes and the Persians (when they weren't making fun of the accents of other Greeks).  By the time the Romans took it up, it had evolved to simply meaning "foreign person."  But yeah, racism is a lot older than the "white people/darkies" dichotomy we've seen in the last few centuries.

See, I get annoyed at this whole attempt to redefine racism.  Just like I get annoyed at people who deny that misandry exists.  Now, racism is a much more serious problem when it has social power behind it, sure.  Misogyny hurts women a hell of a lot more than misandry hurts men, for much the same reason.  I agree that these are not equivalent issues.  But when you have to redefine words to win your argument, you've given up on intellectual honesty.  This is especially galling when you already have a sufficiently strong argument.  You just have to put in a little effort.

By trying to redefine words beyond their present meanings, they've made their own arguments much weaker, and damaged their cause.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 21, 2013, 02:06:44 am
Quote from: Jack Mann on July 20, 2013, 11:31:27 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 20, 2013, 07:35:56 pm
Racism is a lot older than that. Did you know that "barbarian" comes from the Romans, who thought that all other languages, especially Germanic ones like German and the early predecessor of English from their time period, sounded like "bar bar bar bar"? Or that the Romans were just assholes to the Germans in general? So, yeah, fuck you, ancient Rome (ironically, I'm 75% German, 25% Italian). Not to mention tribal warfare in Africa and Asia, or the Japanese and their horrible racism towards the rest of Asia (to be fair, they're the only Asian country that's first world, has a sane-ish government, isn't big on the "cruel and unusual punishment" and tends to be the source of innovation, so they do have a bit of a good reason for their ego).

Greeks, actually, and they were talking mostly about the Medes and the Persians (when they weren't making fun of the accents of other Greeks).  By the time the Romans took it up, it had evolved to simply meaning "foreign person."  But yeah, racism is a lot older than the "white people/darkies" dichotomy we've seen in the last few centuries.

See, I get annoyed at this whole attempt to redefine racism.  Just like I get annoyed at people who deny that misandry exists.  Now, racism is a much more serious problem when it has social power behind it, sure.  Misogyny hurts women a hell of a lot more than misandry hurts men, for much the same reason.  I agree that these are not equivalent issues.  But when you have to redefine words to win your argument, you've given up on intellectual honesty.  This is especially galling when you already have a sufficiently strong argument.  You just have to put in a little effort.

By trying to redefine words beyond their present meanings, they've made their own arguments much weaker, and damaged their cause.

The thing that bothers me the most is that, by pretending that racism was "invented by white people", they are ignoring that prejudice is basically a human universal. Distrusting people who are visibly different from you is the default state for human cultures, it takes a lot of exposure to people of different ethnicities/cultures/etc. for a society to even begin to conceive of the notion that racism is a bad thing.

It is said that the first lesson for the student of scepticism must drive home the point that they are making these mistakes in thinking, before you even consider teaching them to recognise them in others. The danger is the half-sceptic that makes no effort to improve their arguments but has a neat repertoire of easy ways to dismiss those of others. The same principle applies here. If you think of prejudice as something that happens to other people, you will be blind to your own.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on July 21, 2013, 04:52:02 am
Totally gonna just butt in here, but that whole "stop redefining racism" spiel annoys the crap out of me. You need to understand that different social groups define terms differently (which isn't something new, that's as old as language itself). For many people of color and people who pursue an academic discourse on race, racism means institutionalized racism which means white supremacy/the social history of people of color. It has a history of social context related to colonialism. And it's okay for these people to define it as such because to them it make sense. Ethnic violence and tensions have existed long before colonialism and existed virtually everywhere that wasn't a very isolated inhabited island. And these ethnic tensions do contribute to our understanding of race and racism, but again for many people the understanding of racism is instead based of European colonialism.

Now some people might say "well, the dictionary definition". Well the dictionary only gives a very preliminary examination of racism. There are other definitions and analysis of racism. You do not have to accept those definition (in the same way people of color do not have to accept the dictionary's definition), but I personally think it would be very helpful if more people understood that other people operate under different contexts of race.

I'm not going to defend that particular tumblr post because it's so painfully simplistic, but it just irks me when people don't try to see what people of color sees. For me, our definition racism just means we see our discrimination from a different social and historical context. That isn't to say that racial discrimination doesn't happen white people, nor does it say that discrimination that white people occasionally face isn't negative. Saying X is different from Y doesn't take away from the negativity of X. All it says is X is different from Y. That's all that's being said here, that the context of discrimination that people of color face is different from the discrimination that white people face, and for that reason many people of color view racism as white supremacy/colonialism. And again, you don't have to accept that but it is just so much more helpful in my opinion if you understood that is people of color is coming from.

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(to be fair, they're the only Asian country that's first world, has a sane-ish government, isn't big on the "cruel and unusual punishment" and tends to be the source of innovation, so they do have a bit of a good reason for their ego).

That in no way excuses all the fucked up shit they did to other Asians. They still haven't recognized that they sent hundreds of Thais to their death building a train to India, that they killed Filipinos, that they massacred Chinese, that they raped Koreans. Heck, they weren't all that friendly to the indigenous Ainus or the Zianichi Koreans that have been in Japan as far back as the unification of Korea under the Silla Kingdom. And are you forgetting that South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, and Singapore are pretty much also sources of economic development and innovations? You're painting the rest of East/Southeast Asia as some type of backward monolith. Asia has it's problems for sure, but it's pretty much as complex as the West.

If you're going to ask why I decided to come back for this post, just shoot me a PM. If not all I can say is asshole mod is the reason and if you get that then you probably can guess why I'm back.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 21, 2013, 06:19:01 am
Quote from: QueenofHearts on July 20, 2013, 09:41:37 pm
I don't think his intentions were entirely pure by the way he called her a bitch at the end. I think if he did just intend it as a passing compliment, he would've apologized when she told him to back the fuck off and left it at that.
That entirely depends on the person, a lot of men I know get annoyed quite quickly at having some inconsequential thing turned on them like a knife. Not everyone capitulates on a moment's notice when they don't see themselves doing anything wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on July 21, 2013, 06:30:26 am
Quote from: Distind on July 21, 2013, 06:19:01 am
Quote from: QueenofHearts on July 20, 2013, 09:41:37 pm
I don't think his intentions were entirely pure by the way he called her a bitch at the end. I think if he did just intend it as a passing compliment, he would've apologized when she told him to back the fuck off and left it at that.
That entirely depends on the person, a lot of men I know get annoyed quite quickly at having some inconsequential thing turned on them like a knife. Not everyone capitulates on a moment's notice when they don't see themselves doing anything wrong.

Then, guys, if you're so afraid of that happening, don't talk to women you don't know. I mean, I don't know how you were raised, but I was always told not to talk to strangers. If you take that chance, be prepared for what you get. Likewise, if a girl doesn't want to talk to you, get over it and don't call her sexist slurs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 21, 2013, 07:30:49 am
And if you're going to act as if talking to others is a crime, don't be suprised if they call you any and all relevant slurs.

Really, if you're not going to talk to strangers EVERYONE is going to be a stranger.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on July 21, 2013, 09:42:59 am
It shouldn't be hard to recognize when you're annoying someone because they don't want to talk to you, stranger or no stranger.
 
Likewise, it shouldn't be hard to recognize when somebody is complimenting you because you're cute, or when someone is harrassing you on the street.

But in writing, after the fact? For once, it's a real "he said she said" scenario.

For the record, I love talking to strangers on the street, and occasionally stop girls to tell them they're cute. (Of course, I usually tend to say something like "Sorry to disturb you, I'm not trying to hit on you, but I find you really cute! Have a great day!", so it's not a "Hey, you! Nice tits!" scenario.) I would get pretty pissed if someone just started laying on me for complimenting them, but I probably wouldn't insult them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 21, 2013, 11:47:23 am
My family and I pretty regularly strike up conversations and even friendships with strangers. We're just nice people who enjoy being nice to others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 21, 2013, 12:50:40 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on July 21, 2013, 06:30:26 am
Quote from: Distind on July 21, 2013, 06:19:01 am
Quote from: QueenofHearts on July 20, 2013, 09:41:37 pm
I don't think his intentions were entirely pure by the way he called her a bitch at the end. I think if he did just intend it as a passing compliment, he would've apologized when she told him to back the fuck off and left it at that.
That entirely depends on the person, a lot of men I know get annoyed quite quickly at having some inconsequential thing turned on them like a knife. Not everyone capitulates on a moment's notice when they don't see themselves doing anything wrong.

Then, guys, if you're so afraid of that happening, don't talk to women you don't know. I mean, I don't know how you were raised, but I was always told not to talk to strangers. If you take that chance, be prepared for what you get. Likewise, if a girl doesn't want to talk to you, get over it and don't call her sexist slurs.
We're not afraid of it, and it's more than not wanting to talk to us. If someone ignores me when I compliment them, I get on with my day. If someone tells me to shut the fuck up for complementing them, I'd be annoyed no matter who it was. That goes for guys and girls equally, and even my idols. If you don't want to talk to someone or don't like them talking to you, then ignore them. Don't scream at them. Additionally, everyone's a stranger at first. If anyone ever completely listened to that advice, they'd be a hikikomori.

Quote from: gyeonghwa on July 21, 2013, 04:52:02 am
Totally gonna just butt in here, but that whole "stop redefining racism" spiel annoys the crap out of me. You need to understand that different social groups define terms differently (which isn't something new, that's as old as language itself). For many people of color and people who pursue an academic discourse on race, racism means institutionalized racism which means white supremacy/the social history of people of color. It has a history of social context related to colonialism. And it's okay for these people to define it as such because to them it make sense. Ethnic violence and tensions have existed long before colonialism and existed virtually everywhere that wasn't a very isolated inhabited island. And these ethnic tensions do contribute to our understanding of race and racism, but again for many people the understanding of racism is instead based of European colonialism.

Now some people might say "well, the dictionary definition". Well the dictionary only gives a very preliminary examination of racism. There are other definitions and analysis of racism. You do not have to accept those definition (in the same way people of color do not have to accept the dictionary's definition), but I personally think it would be very helpful if more people understood that other people operate under different contexts of race.

I'm not going to defend that particular tumblr post because it's so painfully simplistic, but it just irks me when people don't try to see what people of color sees. For me, our definition racism just means we see our discrimination from a different social and historical context. That isn't to say that racial discrimination doesn't happen white people, nor does it say that discrimination that white people occasionally face isn't negative. Saying X is different from Y doesn't take away from the negativity of X. All it says is X is different from Y. That's all that's being said here, that the context of discrimination that people of color face is different from the discrimination that white people face, and for that reason many people of color view racism as white supremacy/colonialism. And again, you don't have to accept that but it is just so much more helpful in my opinion if you understood that is people of color is coming from.

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(to be fair, they're the only Asian country that's first world, has a sane-ish government, isn't big on the "cruel and unusual punishment" and tends to be the source of innovation, so they do have a bit of a good reason for their ego).

That in no way excuses all the fucked up shit they did to other Asians. They still haven't recognized that they sent hundreds of Thais to their death building a train to India, that they killed Filipinos, that they massacred Chinese, that they raped Koreans. Heck, they weren't all that friendly to the indigenous Ainus or the Zianichi Koreans that have been in Japan as far back as the unification of Korea under the Silla Kingdom. And are you forgetting that South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, and Singapore are pretty much also sources of economic development and innovations? You're painting the rest of East/Southeast Asia as some type of backward monolith. Asia has it's problems for sure, but it's pretty much as complex as the West.

If you're going to ask why I decided to come back for this post, just shoot me a PM. If not all I can say is asshole mod is the reason and if you get that then you probably can guess why I'm back.
I'll respond to the part directly targeted at me, first. I don't think it makes what Japan has done okay. However, you ignored the fact that I brought up more than development or innovation. In Singapore, you can get death for unlawful discharge of a firearm, even if nobody is injured. You can also get it for 500 grams of pot. Anyone who is found guilty of making morphine, cocaine, heroin or meth gets a MANDATORY death penalty. It's illegal to be gay in Singapore, too. Chewing gum is also illegal, as is oral sex unless as foreplay. Bribery is so common in South Korea that traffic police must report all money they make off of it. Hong Kong might be largely autonomous, but they are still owned by China. Taiwan is still ruled by China, and it's not going to change because nobody has the balls to tell China off. Let's face it, Japan is just the least ass-backwards, least horrible nation in Asia.

As for the other part, institutionalize racism comes in many more forms than just white-on-POC. The only reason it seems it doesn't is because we're living in America. In the rest of this great, big shitty planet, it's often people who Americans would consider the same race. For example, the Hutus and Tutsis. To see it otherwise, unless talking about ONLY America, is wrong. Not a different viewpoint that is equal. Wrong. Incorrect. Historically and socially uninformed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 21, 2013, 01:23:03 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on July 21, 2013, 09:42:59 am
It shouldn't be hard to recognize when you're annoying someone because they don't want to talk to you, stranger or no stranger.
 
Likewise, it shouldn't be hard to recognize when somebody is complimenting you because you're cute, or when someone is harrassing you on the street.

But in writing, after the fact? For once, it's a real "he said she said" scenario.

For the record, I love talking to strangers on the street, and occasionally stop girls to tell them they're cute. (Of course, I usually tend to say something like "Sorry to disturb you, I'm not trying to hit on you, but I find you really cute! Have a great day!", so it's not a "Hey, you! Nice tits!" scenario.) I would get pretty pissed if someone just started laying on me for complimenting them, but I probably wouldn't insult them.

If you complimented someone and they started freaking out, you should probably assume that they've had bad experiences with "compliments" in the past and let it go. Chances are she's not so much a raging feminazi as a normal woman who's tired of being leered at and just happened to snap.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 21, 2013, 01:41:20 pm
Quote from: Clochette on July 21, 2013, 01:23:03 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on July 21, 2013, 09:42:59 am
It shouldn't be hard to recognize when you're annoying someone because they don't want to talk to you, stranger or no stranger.
 
Likewise, it shouldn't be hard to recognize when somebody is complimenting you because you're cute, or when someone is harrassing you on the street.

But in writing, after the fact? For once, it's a real "he said she said" scenario.

For the record, I love talking to strangers on the street, and occasionally stop girls to tell them they're cute. (Of course, I usually tend to say something like "Sorry to disturb you, I'm not trying to hit on you, but I find you really cute! Have a great day!", so it's not a "Hey, you! Nice tits!" scenario.) I would get pretty pissed if someone just started laying on me for complimenting them, but I probably wouldn't insult them.

If you complimented someone and they started freaking out, you should probably assume that they've had bad experiences with "compliments" in the past and let it go. Chances are she's not so much a raging feminazi as a normal woman who's tired of being leered at and just happened to snap.
Even then, that doesn't make acceptable behavior. People don't get special permission to mistreat others because they're in a bad mood or have bad past experiences. If some is an asshole towards others, they get treated like any other asshole.

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~hits him~ Cut it out, you're making us actual gifted people look bad.

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Hey, fuck you. Does this sound angry to you? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pkLDEEs20U) How about this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP0_MNj8f1Q) German has just as much range as any other language, it just sounds badass when you are angry or shouting in general.

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Maybe you should get better taste. /jeansandfunorbandshirts

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Ermahgerd!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on July 21, 2013, 02:03:22 pm
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As for the other part, institutionalize racism comes in many more forms than just white-on-POC. The only reason it seems it doesn't is because we're living in America. In the rest of this great, big shitty planet, it's often people who Americans would consider the same race. For example, the Hutus and Tutsis. To see it otherwise, unless talking about ONLY America, is wrong. Not a different viewpoint that is equal. Wrong. Incorrect. Historically and socially uninformed.

You've missed the entire point of what I posted. In particularly where I wrote that some people view racism/institutionalized racism is seen in a colonialism (and globalized) context which set up a white/PoC dichotomy. That certainly doesn't mean ethnic tension doesn't exist beyond a white-on-POC level but I'm saying is that some people don't view that as racism in a global context. All that I said was that some people view the term racism as such and that it would be nice if people understood the context on which they build that premise. And again, you write as though I belittle things like Hutu and Tutsis interethnic violence. I'm not.

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I'll respond to the part directly targeted at me, first. I don't think it makes what Japan has done okay. However, you ignored the fact that I brought up more than development or innovation. In Singapore, you can get death for unlawful discharge of a firearm, even if nobody is injured. You can also get it for 500 grams of pot. Anyone who is found guilty of making morphine, cocaine, heroin or meth gets a MANDATORY death penalty. It's illegal to be gay in Singapore, too. Chewing gum is also illegal, as is oral sex unless as foreplay. Bribery is so common in South Korea that traffic police must report all money they make off of it. Hong Kong might be largely autonomous, but they are still owned by China. Taiwan is still ruled by China, and it's not going to change because nobody has the balls to tell China off. Let's face it, Japan is just the least ass-backwards, least horrible nation in Asia

And again you are underestimating the complexity of Asia. Singapore has a lot of fucked up laws. But then you realized some of those laws, such as the anti-sodomy laws, were relics of British colonialism. Some of them, not all of them mind you. And then you have things like 21000 Singaporeans turning up to support LGBTQ rights publicly despite the fact that being LGBTQ is illegal in Singapore (http://www.fridae.asia/newsfeatures/2013/06/30/12355.record-turnout-for-singapores-lgbt-pink-dot-rally?n=sec). In fact Thailand, Vietnam and the Philippine have been way more adamant that Japan when it comes to LGBTQ rights because Japan has largely been apathetic to sexual minorities. Taiwan may be Chinese but they're autonomous. Not only that but Taiwan claims the PRC as their own, so you're forgetting that dynamic. When you write off the rest of Asia as backwards, you ignore these type of progresses. And Japan isn't all that progressive as our media often portray. The right wing is just as much poised to sweep the Diet and make it South Korea Jr. all the while rewriting their history books to whitewash Japanese atrocities against their neighbors. Not to mention that Japans economy is weakening due to their attempt at emulation austerity policies that are in place in the West. And it was only less then a decade ago they officially recognized that had non-Japanese indigenous people living in the country. You can't just sweep an entire region as barbaric and backwards without understanding their political nuances.

EDIT: And you're going to accuse me of being socially uniformed, you should at least be socially informed about how people view things in a very global context. I mean a very easy way to verify the white-on-POC viewpoint of institutionalized racism is looking at the global beauty industry and see how it values typically European features over other features. There is a reason why bleaching your skin is a thing in Africa.  No one said you personally had to accept that viewpoint, just understand that it is a view point that is valid in the eyes to a lot of people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 21, 2013, 07:22:50 pm
Redd on Jews and Mexicans:

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 21, 2013, 07:39:49 pm
I got to see a double standard in action on Friday night. The local art festival is in full swing, and that includes a family friendly art night that included bands. One of the bands was having technical difficulties, so I was stuck sitting near a horrible human being for half an hour. She'd worn a top best described as "I'm going to convince you to buy me drinks and then trash you." Not a scrap of fabric you should wear to a family centric evening. Guys kept coming up to her to compliment her. As long as it was a cute guy, or a guy in the band, she giggled, flounced, flipped her hair, and generally acted like an airhead. The one time someone not her standard talked to her she told him to fuck off, and then loudly complained about creepy pervs long after he'd left.

I also saw the satanist my ex and I both know get into a fight with a store owner. He wrote "god is dead" on the guy's store in chalk right next to some little kid's "Jesus lives!" drawing. He then proceeded to claim freedom of religion even though he defaced private property.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 21, 2013, 08:05:49 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 21, 2013, 07:39:49 pm
I got to see a double standard in action on Friday night. The local art festival is in full swing, and that includes a family friendly art night that included bands. One of the bands was having technical difficulties, so I was stuck sitting near a horrible human being for half an hour. She'd worn a top best described as "I'm going to convince you to buy me drinks and then trash you." Not a scrap of fabric you should wear to a family centric evening. Guys kept coming up to her to compliment her. As long as it was a cute guy, or a guy in the band, she giggled, flounced, flipped her hair, and generally acted like an airhead. The one time someone not her standard talked to her she told him to fuck off, and then loudly complained about creepy pervs long after he'd left.

I also saw the satanist my ex and I both know get into a fight with a store owner. He wrote "god is dead" on the guy's store in chalk right next to some little kid's "Jesus lives!" drawing. He then proceeded to claim freedom of religion even though he defaced private property.
I personally don't care what she wore, but how she was acting sounded like a bitch of the highest caliber. As for the Satanist, while he sounds like a douche, I don't consider a mostly-naked man with a gaping chest wound nailed to a Roman torture device and left to bake in the sun while starving, suffering from dehydration and likely sleep deprivation to be very family friendly, either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on July 21, 2013, 08:15:39 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 21, 2013, 08:05:49 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 21, 2013, 07:39:49 pm
I got to see a double standard in action on Friday night. The local art festival is in full swing, and that includes a family friendly art night that included bands. One of the bands was having technical difficulties, so I was stuck sitting near a horrible human being for half an hour. She'd worn a top best described as "I'm going to convince you to buy me drinks and then trash you." Not a scrap of fabric you should wear to a family centric evening. Guys kept coming up to her to compliment her. As long as it was a cute guy, or a guy in the band, she giggled, flounced, flipped her hair, and generally acted like an airhead. The one time someone not her standard talked to her she told him to fuck off, and then loudly complained about creepy pervs long after he'd left.

I also saw the satanist my ex and I both know get into a fight with a store owner. He wrote "god is dead" on the guy's store in chalk right next to some little kid's "Jesus lives!" drawing. He then proceeded to claim freedom of religion even though he defaced private property.
I personally don't care what she wore, but how she was acting sounded like a bitch of the highest caliber. As for the Satanist, while he sounds like a douche, I don't consider a mostly-naked man with a gaping chest wound nailed to a Roman torture device and left to bake in the sun while starving, suffering from dehydration and likely sleep deprivation to be very family friendly, either.

Crucifixion kills by suffocation mainly. Slow suffocation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 21, 2013, 08:21:14 pm
Once you are too weak to 'lift yourself' to get the pressure off your ribs/lungs you slowly suffocate.

Odd how you learn things from tv when they weren't meaning to teach such things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 21, 2013, 08:29:44 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 21, 2013, 08:05:49 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 21, 2013, 07:39:49 pm
I got to see a double standard in action on Friday night. The local art festival is in full swing, and that includes a family friendly art night that included bands. One of the bands was having technical difficulties, so I was stuck sitting near a horrible human being for half an hour. She'd worn a top best described as "I'm going to convince you to buy me drinks and then trash you." Not a scrap of fabric you should wear to a family centric evening. Guys kept coming up to her to compliment her. As long as it was a cute guy, or a guy in the band, she giggled, flounced, flipped her hair, and generally acted like an airhead. The one time someone not her standard talked to her she told him to fuck off, and then loudly complained about creepy pervs long after he'd left.

I also saw the satanist my ex and I both know get into a fight with a store owner. He wrote "god is dead" on the guy's store in chalk right next to some little kid's "Jesus lives!" drawing. He then proceeded to claim freedom of religion even though he defaced private property.
I personally don't care what she wore, but how she was acting sounded like a bitch of the highest caliber. As for the Satanist, while he sounds like a douche, I don't consider a mostly-naked man with a gaping chest wound nailed to a Roman torture device and left to bake in the sun while starving, suffering from dehydration and likely sleep deprivation to be very family friendly, either.

Eh, she was hitting one of my buttons. Dressing to attract attention and then whining when the wrong fish nibbles the bait.

My main thing was that he almost came to blows with the guy. Because he wrote on the guy's property. And the store owner was trying to be nice. He started off by just washing the chalk off the wall. That should have been that. But H just had to come back and start screaming about oppression. Dude, if you'd written on the street like the other chalk writers none of this would have happened.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadmanJohnson on July 21, 2013, 08:32:32 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 21, 2013, 07:39:49 pm
I also saw the satanist my ex and I both know get into a fight with a store owner. He wrote "god is dead" on the guy's store in chalk right next to some little kid's "Jesus lives!" drawing. He then proceeded to claim freedom of religion even though he defaced private property.
What a asshat. EVEN WE'RE NOT THAT MEAN.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 22, 2013, 04:29:29 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 21, 2013, 08:29:44 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 21, 2013, 08:05:49 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 21, 2013, 07:39:49 pm
I got to see a double standard in action on Friday night. The local art festival is in full swing, and that includes a family friendly art night that included bands. One of the bands was having technical difficulties, so I was stuck sitting near a horrible human being for half an hour. She'd worn a top best described as "I'm going to convince you to buy me drinks and then trash you." Not a scrap of fabric you should wear to a family centric evening. Guys kept coming up to her to compliment her. As long as it was a cute guy, or a guy in the band, she giggled, flounced, flipped her hair, and generally acted like an airhead. The one time someone not her standard talked to her she told him to fuck off, and then loudly complained about creepy pervs long after he'd left.

I also saw the satanist my ex and I both know get into a fight with a store owner. He wrote "god is dead" on the guy's store in chalk right next to some little kid's "Jesus lives!" drawing. He then proceeded to claim freedom of religion even though he defaced private property.
I personally don't care what she wore, but how she was acting sounded like a bitch of the highest caliber. As for the Satanist, while he sounds like a douche, I don't consider a mostly-naked man with a gaping chest wound nailed to a Roman torture device and left to bake in the sun while starving, suffering from dehydration and likely sleep deprivation to be very family friendly, either.

Eh, she was hitting one of my buttons. Dressing to attract attention and then whining when the wrong fish nibbles the bait.

My main thing was that he almost came to blows with the guy. Because he wrote on the guy's property. And the store owner was trying to be nice. He started off by just washing the chalk off the wall. That should have been that. But H just had to come back and start screaming about oppression. Dude, if you'd written on the street like the other chalk writers none of this would have happened.
As I said, douche, but not supportive of the "Jesus lives" message either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Yla on July 22, 2013, 11:56:34 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 21, 2013, 01:41:20 pm
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~hits him~ Cut it out, you're making us actual gifted people look bad.
What's your problem with that? I've been that way as a child - making a mistake about something I considered my core competence (for example math) triggered a strong reaction. In the most extreme case I recall I literally hit my head against the wall crying for misunderstanding a exam question and wasting time and eventually getting my first 2 (B in American grades) in math for it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 23, 2013, 12:50:25 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1d1d50ac9dc74b4bedfea110299d78b3/tumblr_mqb295gE2r1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f7397f9474da23c4095a4a5528d5a425/tumblr_mqb1apHDh61ryeto5o1_500.png)

Presented without comment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 23, 2013, 03:00:52 am
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Another from the "Guy tries to be nice, crazy person freaks out" world.

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No, that's a good thing about being biromantic.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/cec50873ec4d89138e7a1517a294e898/tumblr_mpxsf8GmEu1ryeto5o1_500.png)
That moment when you know someone is defending cheating but you're too much of a pathetic wimp to call out your fellow SJWs so you instead say stupid shit to try to help them.



Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 23, 2013, 10:10:53 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a2b7591e099daa09af03dbac4fa23618/tumblr_mpowv69lcM1sv50kgo1_500.png)

That's one edgy troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 24, 2013, 03:22:16 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 23, 2013, 10:10:53 pm
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You know what? Try it. Just see what happens next.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Yla on July 24, 2013, 05:01:29 am
http://notalwaysright.com/so-slow-it-hertz-part-2/30892 (http://notalwaysright.com/so-slow-it-hertz-part-2/30892)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ThunderWulf on July 24, 2013, 10:11:54 am
Quote from: Yla on July 24, 2013, 05:01:29 am
http://notalwaysright.com/so-slow-it-hertz-part-2/30892 (http://notalwaysright.com/so-slow-it-hertz-part-2/30892)

I've actually met people like this.  When I was in college a bunch of us were sitting in the cafeteria together, and one of the guys at the table was poking fun at himself for being short.  This woman, no joke, comes over and tells him that he's being insensitive and that short people are just "vertically impaired".  I wish I could make that up.

Though trying to be overly PC because of a COMPUTER is even more absurd.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 24, 2013, 10:15:15 am
Quote from: ThunderWulf on July 24, 2013, 10:11:54 am
Quote from: Yla on July 24, 2013, 05:01:29 am
http://notalwaysright.com/so-slow-it-hertz-part-2/30892 (http://notalwaysright.com/so-slow-it-hertz-part-2/30892)

I've actually met people like this.  When I was in college a bunch of us were sitting in the cafeteria together, and one of the guys at the table was poking fun at himself for being short.  This woman, no joke, comes over and tells him that he's being insensitive and that short people are just "vertically impaired".  I wish I could make that up.

Though trying to be overly PC because of a COMPUTER is even more absurd.
Being PC over a PC. Wow. I call my computer retarded, stupid, slow, a motherless son of a whore, a flaming pile of shit and things that would make SJWs practice necromancy to kill me again and again.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 24, 2013, 04:45:45 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 24, 2013, 10:15:15 am
Quote from: ThunderWulf on July 24, 2013, 10:11:54 am
Quote from: Yla on July 24, 2013, 05:01:29 am
http://notalwaysright.com/so-slow-it-hertz-part-2/30892 (http://notalwaysright.com/so-slow-it-hertz-part-2/30892)

I've actually met people like this.  When I was in college a bunch of us were sitting in the cafeteria together, and one of the guys at the table was poking fun at himself for being short.  This woman, no joke, comes over and tells him that he's being insensitive and that short people are just "vertically impaired".  I wish I could make that up.

Though trying to be overly PC because of a COMPUTER is even more absurd.
Being PC over a PC. Wow. I call my computer retarded, stupid, slow, a motherless son of a whore, a flaming pile of shit and things that would make SJWs practice necromancy to kill me again and again.

Shut up, you biocentric monster!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on July 24, 2013, 06:15:34 pm
Quote from: ThunderWulf on July 24, 2013, 10:11:54 am
Quote from: Yla on July 24, 2013, 05:01:29 am
http://notalwaysright.com/so-slow-it-hertz-part-2/30892 (http://notalwaysright.com/so-slow-it-hertz-part-2/30892)

I've actually met people like this.  When I was in college a bunch of us were sitting in the cafeteria together, and one of the guys at the table was poking fun at himself for being short.  This woman, no joke, comes over and tells him that he's being insensitive and that short people are just "vertically impaired".  I wish I could make that up.

Though trying to be overly PC because of a COMPUTER is even more absurd.

I don't know whether to laugh or just put my face through a wall. I tend to take most online accounts of such things with a grain of salt, but to actually see it happen and know that such people exist... It's painful.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: anti-nonsense on July 24, 2013, 08:10:09 pm
when my computer can pass the Turing Test I will worry about it's hypothetical feelings, until then, I laugh in the face of anyone who gets PC over computers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 24, 2013, 09:41:29 pm
I once dated somebody who got angry at a friend for yelling at Siri.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on July 24, 2013, 11:17:52 pm
Don't you people realize? Siri has feelings...

...oh wait.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 24, 2013, 11:36:28 pm
Quote from: shy on July 24, 2013, 11:17:52 pm
Don't you people realize? Siri has feelings...

...oh wait.
She did say something to that effect actually. And the reason she thinks robots have emotions is stupid. She was playing some game and something terrible apparently happened to one of the characters (I believe the game was The Sims) and she felt REALLY bad about it.

I'd understand feeling bad for a fictional character in a story-heavy game like the Suikoden series, but such was not the case with her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 24, 2013, 11:43:40 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on July 24, 2013, 11:36:28 pm
Quote from: shy on July 24, 2013, 11:17:52 pm
Don't you people realize? Siri has feelings...

...oh wait.
She did say something to that effect actually. And the reason she thinks robots have emotions is stupid. She was playing some game and something terrible apparently happened to one of the characters (I believe the game was The Sims) and she felt REALLY bad about it.

I'd understand feeling bad for a fictional character in a story-heavy game like the Suikoden series, but such was not the case with her.

I would tell her that the fact that she felt bad was proof of her own humanity, not the robot's.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 25, 2013, 04:35:50 am
That's not so ridiculous, actually. She may have simply objected to his use of the word as normalizing it. Ex. if I call my computer a "fag," I'm not automatically in the right just because it's a computer, & therefore cannot have a sexual orientation to mock.

Although, she is definitely a bit mentally impaired for assuming that "slow" was being used to refer to "stupid," & not actual speed.

Also, you guys have made me ponder where we draw the line between real emotions & fake ones.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 25, 2013, 12:05:38 pm
Quote from: Lithp on July 25, 2013, 04:35:50 am
That's not so ridiculous, actually. She may have simply objected to his use of the word as normalizing it. Ex. if I call my computer a "fag," I'm not automatically in the right just because it's a computer, & therefore cannot have a sexual orientation to mock.

Although, she is definitely a bit mentally impaired for assuming that "slow" was being used to refer to "stupid," & not actual speed.

Also, you guys have made me ponder where we draw the line between real emotions & fake ones.

Having spent most of my childhood faking at least half my emotional reactions to everything, I can tell ya that there's a definite difference.  Can't exactly put it into words, but I can tell, at least.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 26, 2013, 02:27:41 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/be5084130e12ff1cf52bcf73feef2324/tumblr_mq1lstMcef1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Of course he is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Auri-El on July 26, 2013, 05:15:23 am
In their headspace?? As in, he's their headmate? Is that what that means? But he's a person. How is that a thing? I mean, be a dragon or a wolf or a toaster, if that's what you want. But you can't just say this real person lives in your head. That's just... wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 26, 2013, 06:14:14 am
Oh man, you haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg yet:

(click to show/hide)

There was also some guy who claimed to have one of the Columbine shooters as a headmate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 26, 2013, 06:19:08 am
Quote
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e9da4f776003af1b59035342616e54af/tumblr_mhnu6pRWZd1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Ateitches?

Tateke?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: anti-nonsense on July 26, 2013, 06:21:36 am
That's a homestuck reference, one of the character s replaces Bs and "ate" sounds with 8s.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 26, 2013, 08:40:29 am
What the Hell is with the manta ray?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Errata on July 26, 2013, 09:07:19 am
The hell is with any of this? Is it like Otherkin or something? This reminds me of that lady who wanted her legs paralyzed because she had "body identity disorder" or something.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 26, 2013, 09:16:23 am
"Multiple Manta", a lame meme for Tumblr multiples.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 26, 2013, 12:25:32 pm
Quote from: Errata on July 26, 2013, 09:07:19 am
The hell is with any of this? Is it like Otherkin or something? This reminds me of that lady who wanted her legs paralyzed because she had "body identity disorder" or something.

My exact reaction to that story was: I'll trade you bodies if you want to not walk so bad. I'd love to walk again.

While I'm here:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/4ee69ba97f663e3a9b2a6eb004a9ea84/tumblr_mqjwesNG2j1ryeto5o1_500.png)

YEA! ANNE FRANK WAS TOTALLY BI! Or totally dealing with puberty and experimenting like teens and young adults do during that time. And it's totally problematic demisexuality (which just about everyone is considered to be) isn't mentioned!

And I suppose it's really horrible that people consider Jack Harkness to be bisexual.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Errata on July 26, 2013, 01:29:10 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 26, 2013, 12:25:32 pm
Quote from: Errata on July 26, 2013, 09:07:19 am
The hell is with any of this? Is it like Otherkin or something? This reminds me of that lady who wanted her legs paralyzed because she had "body identity disorder" or something.

My exact reaction to that story was: I'll trade you bodies if you want to not walk so bad. I'd love to walk again.

While I'm here:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/4ee69ba97f663e3a9b2a6eb004a9ea84/tumblr_mqjwesNG2j1ryeto5o1_500.png)

YEA! ANNE FRANK WAS TOTALLY BI! Or totally dealing with puberty and experimenting like teens and young adults do during that time. And it's totally problematic demisexuality (which just about everyone is considered to be) isn't mentioned!

And I suppose it's really horrible that people consider Jack Harkness to be bisexual.

Freddy Mercury and Anne Frank are ALL the famous people? Christ, the bar for "famous" must be enormous. I mean, who can compete with the guy who sang the song from Wayne's World and a girl who was murdered by a regime? No one who isn't bisexual, that's for sure!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 26, 2013, 05:15:49 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 26, 2013, 06:14:14 am
Oh man, you haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg yet:

(click to show/hide)

There was also some guy who claimed to have one of the Columbine shooters as a headmate.

There was also someone who claimed to have Tom Hiddleston as their headmate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 26, 2013, 09:53:31 pm
The hell is a "headmate"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 26, 2013, 09:59:25 pm
An imaginary friend for grown-ups, basically.

People who follow me on tumblr will sometimes hear me talk about my Shepard 'being in my head' but it's not the same thing. A muse is different from a headmate. I think you can discern the difference.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 26, 2013, 10:31:51 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on July 26, 2013, 09:53:31 pm
The hell is a "headmate"?
SJW term for a split personality.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 27, 2013, 12:20:30 am
I have a hard time believing this story to be true:

Quote
I just recently moved to a new city and I was unfamiliar with a lot of the retail stores, and I accidentally stepped into a plus-size store.
Clerk: Uh, can I help you?
Me: Well, I’m new in town and looking for some trendy stores to shop in.
Clerk: Well, you’re not going to find anything here.
Me: Excuse me?
Clerk: This is a plus-sized store, like have you heard of that notion?  We don’t cater to skinny-ass anorexic bitches here.
Me: Uh… oh wow, I mean… there’s no need to speak to me like that… I didn’t know…
Clerk: Sure you didn’t, you skinny skanks are all alike, you come in here and try to oppress us fatties right out of our own stores! Get out, and don’t forget to check your damn privilege on the way out!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 27, 2013, 12:53:34 am
Based on my experience as a writer of terrible dialogue, I can say with some degree of confidence that that conversation never took place and the author is afflicted with my same condition.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 27, 2013, 06:44:12 am
More multiple bullshit:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnmo3vjcnP1qm6k5ro1_400.jpg)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnhqv05ZPA1qjkbp4o1_400.png)

(http://cdn.meme.li/instances/460x/19485057.jpg)

(http://cdn.meme.li/instances/460x/10658123.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on July 27, 2013, 08:23:41 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 27, 2013, 12:20:30 am
I have a hard time believing this story to be true:

Quote
I just recently moved to a new city and I was unfamiliar with a lot of the retail stores, and I accidentally stepped into a plus-size store.
Clerk: Uh, can I help you?
Me: Well, I’m new in town and looking for some trendy stores to shop in.
Clerk: Well, you’re not going to find anything here.
Me: Excuse me?
Clerk: This is a plus-sized store, like have you heard of that notion?  We don’t cater to skinny-ass anorexic bitches here.
Me: Uh… oh wow, I mean… there’s no need to speak to me like that… I didn’t know…
Clerk: Sure you didn’t, you skinny skanks are all alike, you come in here and try to oppress us fatties right out of our own stores! Get out, and don’t forget to check your damn privilege on the way out!

This is just pathetic, really. If you're going to make up a story in an attempt to support your cause, try to at least use some plausible dialogue.


Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 27, 2013, 06:44:12 am
More multiple bullshit:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnhqv05ZPA1qjkbp4o1_400.png)

It's like they're admitting they're full of shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 27, 2013, 08:32:28 am
Quote from: Sleepy on July 27, 2013, 08:23:41 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 27, 2013, 06:44:12 am
More multiple bullshit:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnhqv05ZPA1qjkbp4o1_400.png)

It's like they're admitting they're full of shit.
a) I don't think that this meme is being done by those "multiple" folks. I always thought it was a parody.
b) I remember when I first heard about this whole thingy was from a post where someone was talking about their experiences being with headmates. They specifically said that they were afraid of watching movies or such because the new headmates might be too scary as the realism might make them fall into uncanny valley area. So they only watched cartoons and comics because those headmates were easier to handle.

I think at some point the person was talking about how Sephiroth or some other villain was a troublesome headmate and had to be subdued or something.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 27, 2013, 08:38:39 am
^^ It eventually turned into a parody, but it was originally started by "multiples" to bitch about their problems.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 27, 2013, 09:57:01 am
Can a headmate have its own headmate?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 27, 2013, 10:02:12 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 27, 2013, 09:57:01 am
Can a headmate have its own headmate?
Indeed they can, apparently. No only that, but a headmate's headmate can also have headmates of their own.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 27, 2013, 10:12:56 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 27, 2013, 10:02:12 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 27, 2013, 09:57:01 am
Can a headmate have its own headmate?
Indeed they can, apparently. No only that, but a headmate's headmate can also have headmates of their own.

Oh sweet jesus I should not have read that when im this tired
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 27, 2013, 12:09:51 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/83ca9bdc99b6b46c59201bf020164a12/tumblr_mpkmbcL2tE1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/068aa952dcef37da9a6a2f0df06deafb/tumblr_mpr2chdBjY1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/83dd4cb0705720f466bf9f21ad01c1a6/tumblr_mpjiii4vbb1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/cdc59fbd3902ab59131f44beec3e4f3f/tumblr_mph3gz5Tdy1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 27, 2013, 12:52:16 pm
I saw this one comment saying that minimum wage is "white privilidge."

It had more and tried to justify that claim but unfortunately my mind just did not comprehend those poor words that had been mangled into a mockery of sentences. Something about only those with privileges being able to have "rights" and therefore something something privilege.

But now I can't seem to find it anymore. Well that's not a great loss.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 27, 2013, 01:23:57 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 27, 2013, 12:20:30 am
I have a hard time believing this story to be true:

Quote
I just recently moved to a new city and I was unfamiliar with a lot of the retail stores, and I accidentally stepped into a plus-size store.
Clerk: Uh, can I help you?
Me: Well, I’m new in town and looking for some trendy stores to shop in.
Clerk: Well, you’re not going to find anything here.
Me: Excuse me?
Clerk: This is a plus-sized store, like have you heard of that notion?  We don’t cater to skinny-ass anorexic bitches here.
Me: Uh… oh wow, I mean… there’s no need to speak to me like that… I didn’t know…
Clerk: Sure you didn’t, you skinny skanks are all alike, you come in here and try to oppress us fatties right out of our own stores! Get out, and don’t forget to check your damn privilege on the way out!

This reminds me of that Pretty Woman scene where they won't let her buy the clothes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 27, 2013, 01:31:37 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 27, 2013, 12:20:30 am
I have a hard time believing this story to be true:

Quote
I just recently moved to a new city and I was unfamiliar with a lot of the retail stores, and I accidentally stepped into a plus-size store.
Clerk: Uh, can I help you?
Me: Well, I’m new in town and looking for some trendy stores to shop in.
Clerk: Well, you’re not going to find anything here.
Me: Excuse me?
Clerk: This is a plus-sized store, like have you heard of that notion?  We don’t cater to skinny-ass anorexic bitches here.
Me: Uh… oh wow, I mean… there’s no need to speak to me like that… I didn’t know…
Clerk: Sure you didn’t, you skinny skanks are all alike, you come in here and try to oppress us fatties right out of our own stores! Get out, and don’t forget to check your damn privilege on the way out!

No way is this true. No way. No reasonably trained sales clerk would act like this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 27, 2013, 02:46:52 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 27, 2013, 12:09:51 pm

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/068aa952dcef37da9a6a2f0df06deafb/tumblr_mpr2chdBjY1ryeto5o1_500.png)

In that case I'll buy five copies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 27, 2013, 03:43:47 pm
The funny thing is, I can actually conceive of a social justice weirdo getting a job in retail & acting like that when she thinks no one is looking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 27, 2013, 05:32:17 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 27, 2013, 10:02:12 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 27, 2013, 09:57:01 am
Can a headmate have its own headmate?
Indeed they can, apparently. No only that, but a headmate's headmate can also have headmates of their own.

If headmates can have headmates* of their own, and the whole "factive" thing establishes that you can have an actual living person as a headmate, then I believe the logical next question is: Can A have B as headmate, who has C, who has D .... who has A, starting the cycle over again? Infinite recursion depth!

And of course, the obvious question after that is: Does Douglas Hofstadter have himself as a headmate?

*I'm sure the tumblrs have more specific terminology for this, differentiating "having a headmate" in the "system containing individual" and "individual sharing the head with other individual" interpretations, I mean the former in this case. Better formalised as "Can the set A have B as member, where B is a set that has A as a member? Of course, this violates Z-F set theory, but I doubt they would care.



In unrelated commentary:

Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/83dd4cb0705720f466bf9f21ad01c1a6/tumblr_mpjiii4vbb1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Why is this here?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 27, 2013, 06:38:43 pm
Honestly, that's pretty fuckin' vague. There's nothing to suggest that anything rapey was going to happen, but nothing that completely rules it out. In the end, I'm just wondering why the fuck those 2 are together. "Opposites attract" is not meant to be taken that literally!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 27, 2013, 07:05:45 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 26, 2013, 10:31:51 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on July 26, 2013, 09:53:31 pm
The hell is a "headmate"?
SJW term for a split personality.

You're wrong.  It's an SJW term for an imaginary friend.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 27, 2013, 07:11:02 pm
An imaginary split personality friend.

What I don't understand is, if these people are going to fake multiple personalities, why do they make shitty ones like a vampire who's afraid of pooping? Go balls out, full on Tyler Durden shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on July 27, 2013, 07:17:47 pm
It always puzzled me that the species distribution of therians wasn't closer to reality. Like it seems like there's a disproportionate number of wolves and big cats compared to, say, cockroaches.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 27, 2013, 07:24:48 pm
Because bugs are ickey!

Ironbite-and thus nobody wants that to be their spirit animal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 27, 2013, 07:31:38 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 27, 2013, 07:24:48 pm
Because bugs are ickey!

Ironbite-and thus nobody wants that to be their spirit animal.

A bee wouldn't be a bad spirit animal. You could post crap about being a beekin and get all angry about bee rights regarding honey production. Maybe throw in some insectism as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 27, 2013, 07:52:52 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 27, 2013, 07:31:38 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 27, 2013, 07:24:48 pm
Because bugs are ickey!

Ironbite-and thus nobody wants that to be their spirit animal.

A bee wouldn't be a bad spirit animal. You could post crap about being a beekin and get all angry about bee rights regarding honey production. Maybe throw in some insectism as well.

(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/4/5/2/452_slide.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 27, 2013, 07:53:58 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 27, 2013, 07:31:38 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 27, 2013, 07:24:48 pm
Because bugs are ickey!

Ironbite-and thus nobody wants that to be their spirit animal.

A bee wouldn't be a bad spirit animal. You could post crap about being a beekin and get all angry about bee rights regarding honey production. Maybe throw in some insectism as well.

Dreamworks already made a movie about that, minus the whole 'bee otherkin' thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 27, 2013, 08:20:05 pm
Speaking vaguely seriously, would bugs even have theoretical souls?  They're closer to organic robots, seems like.

Speaking sillily, I can imagine a tumblr beekin talking about how she finds herself trying to communicate in dance to her family and how they just don't understand.

...

Spiderkin, Spiderkin
Does whatever a spider can
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 27, 2013, 09:49:19 pm
I do want to point out let's not confuse spirit animal with otherkin or therian. They are completely different. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

A spirit animal, in the real term not the "Oh Tom Hiddleston is my spirit animal" way, is a teacher. A guide. Which isn't at all close to the whole otherkin/therian thing at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 27, 2013, 11:05:41 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 27, 2013, 09:49:19 pm
I do want to point out let's not confuse spirit animal with otherkin or therian. They are completely different. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

A spirit animal, in the real term not the "Oh Tom Hiddleston is my spirit animal" way, is a teacher. A guide. Which isn't at all close to the whole otherkin/therian thing at all.
I am going to be a really big pain in the ass, because this is my pet peeve. Apples and oranges are both see-containing fruit with skins that are somewhat hard, intended to protect them, and are warm colors on the color wheel. Both grow from trees, both are edible, both are sweet, both are made into snacks, juices and various confections. Both are common in still life paintings, and both are healthy foods. Why the fuck are they the go-to for "completely different things"? We can't even say it's from olden times, because, IIRC, "apple" used to mean "fruit". Sorry, the rant's not directed at you, the phrase just really pisses me off.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on July 27, 2013, 11:36:20 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 27, 2013, 11:05:41 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 27, 2013, 09:49:19 pm
I do want to point out let's not confuse spirit animal with otherkin or therian. They are completely different. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

A spirit animal, in the real term not the "Oh Tom Hiddleston is my spirit animal" way, is a teacher. A guide. Which isn't at all close to the whole otherkin/therian thing at all.
I am going to be a really big pain in the ass, because this is my pet peeve. Apples and oranges are both see-containing fruit with skins that are somewhat hard, intended to protect them, and are warm colors on the color wheel. Both grow from trees, both are edible, both are sweet, both are made into snacks, juices and various confections. Both are common in still life paintings, and both are healthy foods. Why the fuck are they the go-to for "completely different things"? We can't even say it's from olden times, because, IIRC, "apple" used to mean "fruit". Sorry, the rant's not directed at you, the phrase just really pisses me off.

Apples are temperate climate crops and oranges are sub-tropical. One requires a winter to grow whereas will kill the other. One has a hard tightly adhering skin that is edible while the other has a soft loosely attached skin that is largely inedible. The seeds of one are contained in a central core, the seeds of the other are scattered throughout. Cultivation, pest control, harvesting, processing, and types of products produced bare a passing similarity at best.


The beauty of the saying is that they are broadly similar, you would think that it is possible to compare them -- until you look at the details and realize that they are very different and that while making generalizations is possible making meaningful comparisons is not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 27, 2013, 11:58:32 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 27, 2013, 11:36:20 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 27, 2013, 11:05:41 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 27, 2013, 09:49:19 pm
I do want to point out let's not confuse spirit animal with otherkin or therian. They are completely different. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

A spirit animal, in the real term not the "Oh Tom Hiddleston is my spirit animal" way, is a teacher. A guide. Which isn't at all close to the whole otherkin/therian thing at all.
I am going to be a really big pain in the ass, because this is my pet peeve. Apples and oranges are both see-containing fruit with skins that are somewhat hard, intended to protect them, and are warm colors on the color wheel. Both grow from trees, both are edible, both are sweet, both are made into snacks, juices and various confections. Both are common in still life paintings, and both are healthy foods. Why the fuck are they the go-to for "completely different things"? We can't even say it's from olden times, because, IIRC, "apple" used to mean "fruit". Sorry, the rant's not directed at you, the phrase just really pisses me off.

Apples are temperate climate crops and oranges are sub-tropical. One requires a winter to grow whereas will kill the other. One has a hard tightly adhering skin that is edible while the other has a soft loosely attached skin that is largely inedible. The seeds of one are contained in a central core, the seeds of the other are scattered throughout. Cultivation, pest control, harvesting, processing, and types of products produced bare a passing similarity at best.


The beauty of the saying is that they are broadly similar, you would think that it is possible to compare them -- until you look at the details and realize that they are very different and that while making generalizations is possible making meaningful comparisons is not.
Pest control, harvesting and processing are man-made differences. Naturally, pest control is mostly luck, harvesting is picking it and processing is what your large intestine does. The other ares are minor differences vs. the rest. They're also a similar size, weight and toughness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 28, 2013, 12:09:44 am
It's a decent phrase if used correctly. A lot of people use it to mean "total opposites", when it actually refers to two things that (as Canadian Mojo said) are similar in general, but aren't quite the same thing due to differences in the specifics.

Shane's post if a good example of it being used correctly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 28, 2013, 12:19:05 am
Thanks. I haven't used that phrase in forever.

Tho now I want to play the Apples to Apples game.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on July 28, 2013, 02:33:37 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 27, 2013, 11:58:32 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 27, 2013, 11:36:20 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 27, 2013, 11:05:41 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 27, 2013, 09:49:19 pm
I do want to point out let's not confuse spirit animal with otherkin or therian. They are completely different. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

A spirit animal, in the real term not the "Oh Tom Hiddleston is my spirit animal" way, is a teacher. A guide. Which isn't at all close to the whole otherkin/therian thing at all.
I am going to be a really big pain in the ass, because this is my pet peeve. Apples and oranges are both see-containing fruit with skins that are somewhat hard, intended to protect them, and are warm colors on the color wheel. Both grow from trees, both are edible, both are sweet, both are made into snacks, juices and various confections. Both are common in still life paintings, and both are healthy foods. Why the fuck are they the go-to for "completely different things"? We can't even say it's from olden times, because, IIRC, "apple" used to mean "fruit". Sorry, the rant's not directed at you, the phrase just really pisses me off.

Apples are temperate climate crops and oranges are sub-tropical. One requires a winter to grow whereas will kill the other. One has a hard tightly adhering skin that is edible while the other has a soft loosely attached skin that is largely inedible. The seeds of one are contained in a central core, the seeds of the other are scattered throughout. Cultivation, pest control, harvesting, processing, and types of products produced bare a passing similarity at best.


The beauty of the saying is that they are broadly similar, you would think that it is possible to compare them -- until you look at the details and realize that they are very different and that while making generalizations is possible making meaningful comparisons is not.
Pest control, harvesting and processing are man-made differences. Naturally, pest control is mostly luck, harvesting is picking it and processing is what your large intestine does. The other ares are minor differences vs. the rest. They're also a similar size, weight and toughness.

Why are man-made differences less valid, when it's humans doing the comparison?

What do I care about apples and oranges except as they relate to me?  The fact that they require very different cultivation methods, taste quite different to me, and are eaten differently, are plenty enough difference. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 28, 2013, 08:51:40 am
Quote from: Jack Mann on July 28, 2013, 02:33:37 am
Why are man-made differences less valid, when it's humans doing the comparison?

Because you're human, and therefore any differences you make are meaningless.  Or somesuch bullshit, I dunno.  I honestly don't get the whole "IT DOESN'T COUNT IF HUMANS DO IT!!!!!11!!1!1ELEVENTY" thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 28, 2013, 09:11:29 am
Quote from: Jack Mann on July 28, 2013, 02:33:37 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 27, 2013, 11:58:32 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 27, 2013, 11:36:20 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 27, 2013, 11:05:41 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 27, 2013, 09:49:19 pm
I do want to point out let's not confuse spirit animal with otherkin or therian. They are completely different. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

A spirit animal, in the real term not the "Oh Tom Hiddleston is my spirit animal" way, is a teacher. A guide. Which isn't at all close to the whole otherkin/therian thing at all.
I am going to be a really big pain in the ass, because this is my pet peeve. Apples and oranges are both see-containing fruit with skins that are somewhat hard, intended to protect them, and are warm colors on the color wheel. Both grow from trees, both are edible, both are sweet, both are made into snacks, juices and various confections. Both are common in still life paintings, and both are healthy foods. Why the fuck are they the go-to for "completely different things"? We can't even say it's from olden times, because, IIRC, "apple" used to mean "fruit". Sorry, the rant's not directed at you, the phrase just really pisses me off.

Apples are temperate climate crops and oranges are sub-tropical. One requires a winter to grow whereas will kill the other. One has a hard tightly adhering skin that is edible while the other has a soft loosely attached skin that is largely inedible. The seeds of one are contained in a central core, the seeds of the other are scattered throughout. Cultivation, pest control, harvesting, processing, and types of products produced bare a passing similarity at best.


The beauty of the saying is that they are broadly similar, you would think that it is possible to compare them -- until you look at the details and realize that they are very different and that while making generalizations is possible making meaningful comparisons is not.
Pest control, harvesting and processing are man-made differences. Naturally, pest control is mostly luck, harvesting is picking it and processing is what your large intestine does. The other ares are minor differences vs. the rest. They're also a similar size, weight and toughness.

Why are man-made differences less valid, when it's humans doing the comparison?

What do I care about apples and oranges except as they relate to me?  The fact that they require very different cultivation methods, taste quite different to me, and are eaten differently, are plenty enough difference. 
Two reasons: first off, it's an old phrase, and that evidence comes after the phrase's creation. So, the makers of the phrase (sadly, the origin is unknown, but it's got to be old for how many languages it's in) did not think of it like that. Secondly, because we're comparing apples and oranges, not human viewpoints on apples and oranges. And, they're not eaten extremely differently (outside of skinning one and not the other, they're pretty much the same, you don't normally use condiments or a fork or a spoon or cook one). They taste more similar than different (apples and oranges certainly are more similar than steak and oranges, or apples and broccoli, or apples and chocolate, or pizza and oranges). Both are also eaten uncooked and unfrozen, by the way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 28, 2013, 09:53:02 am
Are we seriously having a multi-page debate over the similarities and differences between apples of oranges?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on July 28, 2013, 09:53:31 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 28, 2013, 09:53:02 am
Are we seriously having a multi-page debate over the similarities and differences between apples of oranges?

F'n A we are!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 28, 2013, 10:03:48 am
Quick, post your legs!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Distind on July 28, 2013, 10:12:41 am
I think we should enshrine this somewhere, just to prove that these forums can argue over anything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on July 28, 2013, 10:31:23 am
Dammit, Mlle, we are nerds.  We are nerds on the internet.  If we don't have this argument, then who the hell will?  Those damned LARPers down at the Chortling Goblin?  I don't think so.

PHH, humans have been cultivating both apples and oranges for longer than there has been an English language.  I daresay that most of those differences were pretty well known before the phrase was grown.  Sure, they didn't know about things like genetics, but they did know that apples grew well one way, oranges another.  They knew that the ways you harvested the one didn't apply to the other.  And you don't eat the two the same.  You almost always peel an orange, and then eat the easily-separable pieces.  Peeling an orange amounts to pulling the skin away.  Apples typically aren't peeled when eaten plain, and if they are, it involves a knife. 

And no shit they're less different than, say, apples and steak or oranges and radioactive waste.  That's the point.  They're something that is similar enough that someone might compare it.  No one's gonna compare an apple to a cow.  But at the same time, you can't fault an apple for not being a good orange.  You can't fault an orange for not having a nice smooth green skin.  That's why this is a vital issue to the American People in these troubled times.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 28, 2013, 10:44:33 am
Quote from: Jack Mann on July 28, 2013, 10:31:23 am
Dammit, Mlle, we are nerds.  We are nerds on the internet.  If we don't have this argument, then who the hell will?  Those damned LARPers down at the Chortling Goblin?  I don't think so.

PHH, humans have been cultivating both apples and oranges for longer than there has been an English language.  I daresay that most of those differences were pretty well known before the phrase was grown.  Sure, they didn't know about things like genetics, but they did know that apples grew well one way, oranges another.  They knew that the ways you harvested the one didn't apply to the other.  And you don't eat the two the same.  You almost always peel an orange, and then eat the easily-separable pieces.  Peeling an orange amounts to pulling the skin away.  Apples typically aren't peeled when eaten plain, and if they are, it involves a knife. 

And no shit they're less different than, say, apples and steak or oranges and radioactive waste.  That's the point.  They're something that is similar enough that someone might compare it.  No one's gonna compare an apple to a cow.  But at the same time, you can't fault an apple for not being a good orange.  You can't fault an orange for not having a nice smooth green skin.  That's why this is a vital issue to the American People in these troubled times.
We may have been cultivating them for a long period of time, but we were harvesting and processing them the same way. People pick them, place them in baskets. Later, they eat them. Also, I didn't say you ate then the exact same way, I said it's extremely similar. Again, you eat most foods in a much different way. Also, I rarely hear it being used to say "comparing things that are similar but not the same".

From Wikipedia: A comparison of apples and oranges occurs when two items or groups of items are compared that cannot be practically compared.

From McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs, on "apples and oranges": two entities that are not similar

From Cambridge Idioms Dictionary, 2nd ed: if two people or things are apples and oranges, they are completely different

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Mira on July 28, 2013, 11:15:27 am
Jesus Fucking Christ, what the fuck?'

ETA: Goddamn fucking hell
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 28, 2013, 11:19:59 am
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2zxmkx0.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Mira on July 28, 2013, 11:43:49 am
I agree
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 28, 2013, 03:22:05 pm
This is probably one of the weirder debates we've had on the forum.

This is also why I love this place.  Well, one of the reasons why, at least.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 28, 2013, 03:50:24 pm
Allow me to further mess things up by pointing out that, according to The Ultimate Authority on Everything*, the following expressions have meanings equivalent to "apples and oranges":

Serbian: Поредити бабе и жабе (comparing grandmothers and toads)
Romanian: baba şi mitraliera (the grandmother and the machine gun); vaca şi izmenele (the cow and the longjohns); țiganul şi carioca (the gypsy and the marker)
Danish: Hvad er højest, Rundetårn eller et tordenskrald? (What is highest, the Round Tower or a thunderclap?)
Russian: сравнивать тёплое с мягким (to compare warm and soft).

So, which is it? Are apples an oranges supposed to be "similar yet different", or "have fuck-all to do with each other"? If the first, then how are these expressions equivalent? If the second, why choose apples and oranges, with all the similarities they actually do have?

I hereby propose that people who mean to say "Completely different" use something like "Constitutional monarchies and toothpicks", and reserve "apples and oranges" for the purpose of speaking of things that have similarities but should be considered separately.


*Iä! Iä! Wikipedia Fhtagn!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 28, 2013, 05:31:07 pm
I should've never posted that Goddamn phrase is that what you are telling me?

To break up the apples and oranges debate:

Quote
friendly reminder:

punch a white cis man on the balls daily! (◡‿◡✿)
make sure to kick him when he’s down! (✿◠‿◠)
and take his wallet (◕‿◕✿)

No. Bad blogger. *whaps with newspaper* BAD!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 28, 2013, 06:28:29 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 28, 2013, 03:50:24 pm
Allow me to further mess things up by pointing out that, according to The Ultimate Authority on Everything*, the following expressions have meanings equivalent to "apples and oranges":

Serbian: Поредити бабе и жабе (comparing grandmothers and toads)
Romanian: baba şi mitraliera (the grandmother and the machine gun); vaca şi izmenele (the cow and the longjohns); țiganul şi carioca (the gypsy and the marker)
Danish: Hvad er højest, Rundetårn eller et tordenskrald? (What is highest, the Round Tower or a thunderclap?)
Russian: сравнивать тёплое с мягким (to compare warm and soft).

So, which is it? Are apples an oranges supposed to be "similar yet different", or "have fuck-all to do with each other"? If the first, then how are these expressions equivalent? If the second, why choose apples and oranges, with all the similarities they actually do have?

I hereby propose that people who mean to say "Completely different" use something like "Constitutional monarchies and toothpicks", and reserve "apples and oranges" for the purpose of speaking of things that have similarities but should be considered separately.


*Iä! Iä! Wikipedia Fhtagn!
I personally like using "apples and [something completely odd and random, that is not a fruit, and is rarely food at all]".

Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 28, 2013, 05:31:07 pm
I should've never posted that Goddamn phrase is that what you are telling me?

To break up the apples and oranges debate:

Quote
friendly reminder:

punch a white cis man on the balls daily! (◡‿◡✿)
make sure to kick him when he’s down! (✿◠‿◠)
and take his wallet (◕‿◕✿)

No. Bad blogger. *whaps with newspaper* BAD!
And, yeppers ^_^
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 28, 2013, 06:36:31 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 28, 2013, 05:31:07 pm
I should've never posted that Goddamn phrase is that what you are telling me?

To break up the apples and oranges debate:

Quote
friendly reminder:

punch a white cis man on the balls daily! (◡‿◡✿)
make sure to kick him when he’s down! (✿◠‿◠)
and take his wallet (◕‿◕✿)

No. Bad blogger. *whaps with newspaper* BAD!

Can we play SJW Survivor? We can drop these special snowflakes in my primarily white, straight, cis, christian hometown and the winner is the last one to be arrested/ have a nervous breakdown.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 28, 2013, 06:45:40 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 28, 2013, 06:36:31 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 28, 2013, 05:31:07 pm
I should've never posted that Goddamn phrase is that what you are telling me?

To break up the apples and oranges debate:

Quote
friendly reminder:

punch a white cis man on the balls daily! (◡‿◡✿)
make sure to kick him when he’s down! (✿◠‿◠)
and take his wallet (◕‿◕✿)

No. Bad blogger. *whaps with newspaper* BAD!

Can we play SJW Survivor? We can drop these special snowflakes in my primarily white, straight, cis, christian hometown and the winner is the last one to be arrested/ have a nervous breakdown.
Are you kidding? It'd be a bloodbath.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on July 28, 2013, 06:50:28 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 28, 2013, 06:45:40 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 28, 2013, 06:36:31 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 28, 2013, 05:31:07 pm
I should've never posted that Goddamn phrase is that what you are telling me?

To break up the apples and oranges debate:

Quote
friendly reminder:

punch a white cis man on the balls daily! (◡‿◡✿)
make sure to kick him when he’s down! (✿◠‿◠)
and take his wallet (◕‿◕✿)

No. Bad blogger. *whaps with newspaper* BAD!

Can we play SJW Survivor? We can drop these special snowflakes in my primarily white, straight, cis, christian hometown and the winner is the last one to be arrested/ have a nervous breakdown.
Are you kidding? It'd be a bloodbath.

Well, then we learn if there's such a thing as a funny bloodbath. The movie Dogma claims there is, but I've never seen it in practice. /heavily joking
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 28, 2013, 06:55:36 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 28, 2013, 06:50:28 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 28, 2013, 06:45:40 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on July 28, 2013, 06:36:31 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 28, 2013, 05:31:07 pm
I should've never posted that Goddamn phrase is that what you are telling me?

To break up the apples and oranges debate:

Quote
friendly reminder:

punch a white cis man on the balls daily! (◡‿◡✿)
make sure to kick him when he’s down! (✿◠‿◠)
and take his wallet (◕‿◕✿)

No. Bad blogger. *whaps with newspaper* BAD!

Can we play SJW Survivor? We can drop these special snowflakes in my primarily white, straight, cis, christian hometown and the winner is the last one to be arrested/ have a nervous breakdown.
Are you kidding? It'd be a bloodbath.

Well, then we learn if there's such a thing as a funny bloodbath. The movie Dogma claims there is, but I've never seen it in practice. /heavily joking
Nah, a funny bloodbath is if it happens at Fox News.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 28, 2013, 08:52:23 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/544b3fba612d5454fb89361704f0134d/tumblr_mpefudF3rU1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

There are so many things wrong with this I don't even have time to go over them all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 28, 2013, 09:27:09 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 28, 2013, 08:52:23 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/544b3fba612d5454fb89361704f0134d/tumblr_mpefudF3rU1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

There are so many things wrong with this I don't even have time to go over them all.

Smells like Zeitgeist to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 28, 2013, 09:46:18 pm
Fun fact: the Latin root of the word virgin is virgo. You might be shocked to learn that, in Latin, virgo means... drumroll please...

...virgin.

Meanwhile, the word virile has a different Latin root, virīlitās, which translates to 'manliness' or 'virility'.

I know, it blew my mind too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 28, 2013, 09:57:29 pm
I've heard that "virgin" was often used to mean "young woman," but I think that had more to do with the assumption that all "proper" young women were, well, virgins.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 28, 2013, 10:00:35 pm
Quote from: Lithp on July 28, 2013, 09:57:29 pm
I've heard that "virgin" was often used to mean "young woman," but I think that had more to do with the assumption that all "proper" young women were, well, virgins.

Isn't that from translating the Bible for Mary to not be a virgin as we know it now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on July 28, 2013, 10:58:40 pm
The ultimate root of virile is vir, man.  It literally means "manly."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 29, 2013, 12:36:27 am
Let us also not forget that, in Latin, vagina means "sheath."

/pointless-facts
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 29, 2013, 10:47:23 pm
"E-Mail: please don’t assign *patient* any consequences when he doesn’t follow milieu expectations. He says having to follow the same rules as other patients is triggering. Thank you."

That's it. That's the thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 29, 2013, 10:58:17 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 29, 2013, 10:47:23 pm
"E-Mail: please don’t assign *patient* any consequences when he doesn’t follow milieu expectations. He says having to follow the same rules as other patients is triggering. Thank you."

That's it. That's the thread.
Wait, what? Context, please? How could something like that be triggering?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 29, 2013, 11:40:51 pm
There is no context. There can't be context. That's the whole point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 30, 2013, 12:12:05 am
I wonder what that person is a "patient" for.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 30, 2013, 12:40:09 am
Where's it from? Seriously, I'm one minute away from turning into a Dalek and yelling "EXPLAIN! EXPLAIN!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 30, 2013, 12:47:52 am
It was on tumblr. lol That is literally the entire post I grabbed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 30, 2013, 12:53:10 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 30, 2013, 12:47:52 am
It was on tumblr. lol That is literally the entire post I grabbed.
So, a psychological patient (I think we can all agree here that if there's a thing about not following society's expectations/rules, it's likely psychological), is now allowed to do whatever. Well, shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 30, 2013, 12:54:36 am
...I'm thinking whoever wrote that needs to be admitted to their own hospital.

There's a certain amount of insanity involved in giving in to someone's demands like that, especially considering that I doubt that it's genuinely triggering.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 30, 2013, 12:59:09 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 30, 2013, 12:54:36 am
...I'm thinking whoever wrote that needs to be admitted to their own hospital.

There's a certain amount of insanity involved in giving in to someone's demands like that, especially considering that I doubt that it's genuinely triggering.
Exactly. I mean, holy fucking shit, are you serious? The scariest part is, there's a good chance this is a place for the mentally disabled. As in, the retarded. So, yeah. Some of them can be extremely destructive (my father's lost a phone and three pairs of glasses to the same one at his job).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 30, 2013, 01:23:16 am
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Sometimes I fantasize about slowly starving fucking thin privileged bigots in a medieval-style cage, suspended in a courtyard.

(http://i.imgur.com/ALimvu6.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on July 30, 2013, 08:13:43 am
Quote
Sometimes I fantasize about slowly starving fucking thin privileged bigots in a medieval-style cage, suspended in a courtyard.
I've got a better idea. Let's put you in the cage! This way, you can have thin privilege too!

Asshole.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 30, 2013, 10:05:19 am
Quote from: LeTipex on July 30, 2013, 08:13:43 am
Quote
Sometimes I fantasize about slowly starving fucking thin privileged bigots in a medieval-style cage, suspended in a courtyard.
I've got a better idea. Let's put you in the cage! This way, you can have thin privilege too!

Asshole.

Put them in a cage, let them eat a normal (SO ABLEIST) diet...but let a monkey poke them with a stick all day, all night, for months on end.  See how long it takes before they either expire from lack of sleep, or legitimately go insane.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 30, 2013, 11:34:23 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on July 30, 2013, 10:05:19 am
Quote from: LeTipex on July 30, 2013, 08:13:43 am
Quote
Sometimes I fantasize about slowly starving fucking thin privileged bigots in a medieval-style cage, suspended in a courtyard.
I've got a better idea. Let's put you in the cage! This way, you can have thin privilege too!

Asshole.

Put them in a cage, let them eat a normal (SO ABLEIST) diet...but let a monkey poke them with a stick all day, all night, for months on end.  See how long it takes before they either expire from lack of sleep, or legitimately go insane.

I'm actually surprised they are suggesting starving thin bigots as punishment.

I've always got the impression that these extreme SJW types just assume that all thin people are anorexics and therefore starve themselves anyway?

Wouldn't it make more sense for them to suggest force feeding thin bigots in a similar way to the gluttony murder in Se7en, so that they become the very thing they hate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Valerius on July 30, 2013, 11:39:41 am
Emphasis added:
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 30, 2013, 11:34:23 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on July 30, 2013, 10:05:19 am
Quote from: LeTipex on July 30, 2013, 08:13:43 am
Quote
Sometimes I fantasize about slowly starving fucking thin privileged bigots in a medieval-style cage, suspended in a courtyard.
I've got a better idea. Let's put you in the cage! This way, you can have thin privilege too!

Asshole.

Put them in a cage, let them eat a normal (SO ABLEIST) diet...but let a monkey poke them with a stick all day, all night, for months on end.  See how long it takes before they either expire from lack of sleep, or legitimately go insane.

I'm actually surprised they are suggesting starving thin bigots as punishment.

I've always got the impression that these extreme SJW types just assume that all thin people are anorexics and therefore starve themselves anyway?

Wouldn't it make more sense for them to suggest force feeding thin bigots in a similar way to the gluttony murder in Se7en, so that they become the very thing they hate.

See, there's your problem. Expecting SJWs to actually make sense is an exercise in futility.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 30, 2013, 05:48:48 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on July 29, 2013, 10:47:23 pm
"E-Mail: please don’t assign *patient* any consequences when he doesn’t follow milieu expectations. He says having to follow the same rules as other patients is triggering. Thank you."

That's it. That's the thread.

Following the rules....is triggering......................................................

Ironbite-anyone got a spare rocket?  I don't want to live here anymore.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 30, 2013, 06:30:32 pm
Quote from: Valerius on July 30, 2013, 11:39:41 am
Emphasis added:
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on July 30, 2013, 11:34:23 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on July 30, 2013, 10:05:19 am
Quote from: LeTipex on July 30, 2013, 08:13:43 am
Quote
Sometimes I fantasize about slowly starving fucking thin privileged bigots in a medieval-style cage, suspended in a courtyard.
I've got a better idea. Let's put you in the cage! This way, you can have thin privilege too!

Asshole.

Put them in a cage, let them eat a normal (SO ABLEIST) diet...but let a monkey poke them with a stick all day, all night, for months on end.  See how long it takes before they either expire from lack of sleep, or legitimately go insane.

I'm actually surprised they are suggesting starving thin bigots as punishment.

I've always got the impression that these extreme SJW types just assume that all thin people are anorexics and therefore starve themselves anyway?

Wouldn't it make more sense for them to suggest force feeding thin bigots in a similar way to the gluttony murder in Se7en, so that they become the very thing they hate.

See, there's your problem. Expecting SJWs to actually make sense is an exercise in futility.

You can't expect them to exercise their futility because exercise is a thin-able bodied privilege!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 31, 2013, 03:00:01 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/f524fcc21d70714891fb473946e8d3e9/tumblr_mp9lzjJ06l1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/a96d0df85fd2aea6f42099c5f23770a9/tumblr_mpf8pm3NvP1ryeto5o1_400.png)

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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/2201e994b7013158125ef807af0684fb/tumblr_mov4gkQbeE1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/9a9574a640d34117cd60fd92b846800d/tumblr_mov3wjcFGl1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 31, 2013, 03:03:37 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 31, 2013, 03:00:01 pm
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Of all the insane social justice movements, the "health privilege" crowd is the most maddening.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on July 31, 2013, 03:08:55 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 31, 2013, 03:03:37 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 31, 2013, 03:00:01 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/98cfa9ed865bbc8dbe655cbb11c5f01d/tumblr_moyaxecFPd1ryeto5o1_1280.png)


Of all the insane social justice movements, the "health privilege" crowd is the most maddening.
Nah. The people screaming "cultural appropriation" are worse. Especially when they bitch about white women twerking. Mind you, nobody, white or black, should twerk. You look like a twerp when you twerk.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 31, 2013, 03:30:21 pm
Fuck it, I'm fat and I know I'm not healthy because of it.

That being said not all fat people are unhealthy.  What matters more is exercise and diet, not how much fat you have.  It seems like fatness would follow that but not always, as is in some genetic related conditions.

Also people calling non-fat people fat can go to hell.  Seriously.

Actually the people who bring it up in the first place.  Unlike smoking, I'm not infecting you with my second-hand fatness.  My health is actually none of your business, and I don't need your condescending "concern".  You're only going to make things worse for me by trying to bring it up.

Not to mention 90% of the time it's just hecklers looking for a cheap laugh rather than anyone actually concerned.  And funnily enough, a lot of these hecklers are, themselves, fat.

To me, "Fat Acceptance" doesn't mean "BEING FAT IS A GOOD THING", but rather "Some of us can't help it, others can but need help, and quite frankly, it's none of your business.  Also, stop calling body types that don't actually have much in the way of fat, "Fat", it's erroneous.

Also, eating disorders are a thing.  Food addiction is a thing.  And unlike smoking, food is everywhere, it's actually the center of our culture, right next to pop culture.  You can't escape food commercials, food ads, people eating food.  At least with smoking they actually banned cigarette ads."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on July 31, 2013, 05:35:41 pm
I've seen several people try to justify other people's obesity as being their business because they have to pay for it in taxes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 31, 2013, 07:55:20 pm
[7:55:07 PM] Advent Snail: "I hate it when men go shopping for their families because these dudes are like the most considerate people ever."

That's actually followed by a pretty good point, but I think that part is funny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 31, 2013, 08:56:13 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 31, 2013, 03:08:55 pm
Nah. The people screaming "cultural appropriation" are worse. Especially when they bitch about white women twerking. Mind you, nobody, white or black, should twerk. You look like a twerp when you twerk.

True. I want to make a post about how democratic nations are appropriating Greek culture or something similar.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on July 31, 2013, 09:00:54 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 31, 2013, 08:56:13 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 31, 2013, 03:08:55 pm
Nah. The people screaming "cultural appropriation" are worse. Especially when they bitch about white women twerking. Mind you, nobody, white or black, should twerk. You look like a twerp when you twerk.

True. I want to make a post about how democratic nations are appropriating Greek culture or something similar.

I actually think that anti-appropriation bloggers usually have good points to make - for instance, against white people appropriating a sacred Native American ritual and completely bastardizing it in the process to make money.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 31, 2013, 09:12:17 pm
The only instance in which I give a shit about appropriation is when it's actively promoting an offensive image of the culture. For instance, "Indian" mascots that act like savages, or blackface.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on July 31, 2013, 09:15:30 pm
Exactly what I feel, too. Having a bastardized version of a native American warrior as a "redskin" or "Indian" is insulting. having a genuine and respectful fascination with the culture is not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on July 31, 2013, 09:26:03 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on July 31, 2013, 09:15:30 pm
Exactly what I feel, too. Having a bastardized version of a native American warrior as a "redskin" or "Indian" is insulting. having a genuine and respectful fascination with the culture is not.

The thing is, even if you just use a certain article of clothing, or jewelry, or tattoo, or whatever the fuck, with no motive besides "it's kinda cool," & no context, people call that racist.

'Course, others have made the argument that this is actually acceptance, & is something to be desired.
Title: Re: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ThunderWulf on July 31, 2013, 09:29:25 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on July 31, 2013, 09:15:30 pm
Exactly what I feel, too. Having a bastardized version of a native American warrior as a "redskin" or "Indian" is insulting. having a genuine and respectful fascination with the culture is not.

Yeah that pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 31, 2013, 09:38:23 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on July 31, 2013, 09:00:54 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on July 31, 2013, 08:56:13 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on July 31, 2013, 03:08:55 pm
Nah. The people screaming "cultural appropriation" are worse. Especially when they bitch about white women twerking. Mind you, nobody, white or black, should twerk. You look like a twerp when you twerk.

True. I want to make a post about how democratic nations are appropriating Greek culture or something similar.

I actually think that anti-appropriation bloggers usually have good points to make - for instance, against white people appropriating a sacred Native American ritual and completely bastardizing it in the process to make money.

True. But then you get the crazies who basically object to anyone partaking in any cultural activity that didn't originate with their culture.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on July 31, 2013, 09:42:52 pm
I'll be honest, the anti-appropriation crowd would probably hate me. I have dream catchers, I believe in having an animal totem (Wolf), and I'm European. I carry the same respect for animals and nature that Native Americans do.

Am I being offensive? If you're thin-skinned. If you're intelligent you'll recognize I have a legitimate interest in the culture.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 31, 2013, 10:10:43 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on July 31, 2013, 09:00:54 pm
appropriating a sacred Native American ritual and completely bastardizing it in the process to make money.

Yep. And on top of perpetuating stereotypes and using religion as a means to cash in, many of these plastic shaman have seriously injured or killed people while attempting to perform cheap knockoffs of Native rituals (sweat lodges, vision quests, etc.)

Also, I can completely understand why Natives are hurt and offended when people turn sacred regalia (warbonnets, etc.) into a fashion trend (which I wouldn't call racist so much as tacky and kind of insensitive) or dress up as caricatures of them for Halloween (which *is* racist).

That being said, purchasing things like dream catchers and moccasins isn't offensive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Mira on July 31, 2013, 10:18:15 pm
Eating maize is cultural appropriation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 31, 2013, 10:22:02 pm
The only way you can avoid cultural appropriation is to look back at the very ass end of your heritage, back to prehistoric times, and exclusively live your life as a nomadic hunter-gatherer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 31, 2013, 10:25:22 pm
But then you'd be appropriating from neanderthals.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Valerius on July 31, 2013, 10:32:53 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 31, 2013, 10:25:22 pm
But then you'd be appropriating from neanderthals.

Nope, gotta go even further back. Neanderthals existed at the same time as early Homo sapiens, and if they were on good enough terms that they were screwing each other, then you could be pretty sure that they were exchanging and sharing culture too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on July 31, 2013, 11:20:15 pm
Quote
Zombie movies are going to be popular as long as dudes fantasize about being in a situation where the most valuable possible trait is the capacity for heteromasculine violence and sociopathy towards the diseased and weak.

I don't even... no
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 31, 2013, 11:31:16 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/291809d9e68f9a6842839a4746bc9287/tumblr_mqrs0waVhe1ryeto5o1_400.png)

*except for Riley's white friends.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/5a3b3f08de4dadb79450d1e6f21d90af/tumblr_mqrq5pg8nb1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 31, 2013, 11:37:36 pm
I'm just waiting for one of these incidents to happen for real, where the SJW assaults or verbally abuses someone for perceived slights, but the person then verbally (or literally) bitchslaps them for it. Or they get kicked out and/or banned for causing a scene and abusing customers and employees.

Or they start going off on someone when there's a cop right behind them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 31, 2013, 11:38:41 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 31, 2013, 11:31:16 pm
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Gee, thanks for explaining why all white people are racist instead of just making horrible generalizations and not at least trying to back them up! As you have proven that all white people are rascist, I might as well not even try to hide it any more! Anyone know where can I sign up for the KKK? Heil Hitler!

Heck, I bet the person who wrote this is white but desperately doesn't want to be.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on August 01, 2013, 12:32:07 am
The fact is, by being alive you are appropriating bacterial culture.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 01, 2013, 12:33:43 am
^^ I've got a spare hood, uniform, and death ray lying around.

WHITE POWER!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ThunderWulf on August 01, 2013, 12:48:30 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 31, 2013, 11:31:16 pm
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*except for Riley's white friends.

*facepalm*  Yes, lets talk about people who stereotype whole groups of people, by stereotyping a whole group of people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 01, 2013, 12:49:29 am
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 31, 2013, 11:38:41 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 31, 2013, 11:31:16 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/291809d9e68f9a6842839a4746bc9287/tumblr_mqrs0waVhe1ryeto5o1_400.png)

Gee, thanks for explaining why all white people are racist instead of just making horrible generalizations and not at least trying to back them up! As you have proven that all white people are rascist, I might as well not even try to hide it any more! Anyone know where can I sign up for the KKK? Heil Hitler!

Heck, I bet the person who wrote this is white but desperately doesn't want to be.

It's Riley. Your silly reality doesn't apply to Riley.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 01, 2013, 01:03:07 am
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 31, 2013, 11:38:41 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 31, 2013, 11:31:16 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/291809d9e68f9a6842839a4746bc9287/tumblr_mqrs0waVhe1ryeto5o1_400.png)

Gee, thanks for explaining why all white people are racist instead of just making horrible generalizations and not at least trying to back them up! As you have proven that all white people are rascist, I might as well not even try to hide it any more! Anyone know where can I sign up for the KKK? Heil Hitler!

Heck, I bet the person who wrote this is white but desperately doesn't want to be.

No, Riley is actually black. Someone found a picture of them from a dating site a while back.

Here's some more stuff from their quality blog:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/096837c2f43e15995cca592f63d1af91/tumblr_mqs0eh2pPq1sw9j96o1_500.png)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/5aad8926eb2102c29c07c6b33f1c7824/tumblr_mqh81p3IFr1sw9j96o1_500.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/24ebb46b758c3b0c0c2199f0f7a7b24c/tumblr_mqh4kq7Csk1sw9j96o1_500.png)
*Riley often claims to be from different cultures\races.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/75bfb64594839b5bee73dd5f5ab61418/tumblr_mqh2t185z11sw9j96o1_500.png)

And yet this person has thousands of followers. Why?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on August 01, 2013, 06:35:28 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 31, 2013, 10:10:43 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on July 31, 2013, 09:00:54 pm
appropriating a sacred Native American ritual and completely bastardizing it in the process to make money.

Yep. And on top of perpetuating stereotypes and using religion as a means to cash in, many of these plastic shaman have seriously injured or killed people while attempting to perform cheap knockoffs of Native rituals (sweat lodges, vision quests, etc.)

Also, I can completely understand why Natives are hurt and offended when people turn sacred regalia (warbonnets, etc.) into a fashion trend (which I wouldn't call racist so much as tacky and kind of insensitive) or dress up as caricatures of them for Halloween (which *is* racist).

That being said, purchasing things like dream catchers and moccasins isn't offensive.

I always laugh when someone talks about Native American shamans.  Shamanism originated from Northern Asia, not the Americas.  There aren't even many religions in the Americas that are shamanistic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on August 01, 2013, 07:16:25 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 01, 2013, 01:03:07 am
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 31, 2013, 11:38:41 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 31, 2013, 11:31:16 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/291809d9e68f9a6842839a4746bc9287/tumblr_mqrs0waVhe1ryeto5o1_400.png)

Gee, thanks for explaining why all white people are racist instead of just making horrible generalizations and not at least trying to back them up! As you have proven that all white people are rascist, I might as well not even try to hide it any more! Anyone know where can I sign up for the KKK? Heil Hitler!

Heck, I bet the person who wrote this is white but desperately doesn't want to be.

No, Riley is actually black. Someone found a picture of them from a dating site a while back.

Ah, okay. Well, the rest if my post still stands.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 01, 2013, 09:27:36 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 01, 2013, 01:03:07 am
And yet this person has thousands of followers. Why?
Because there are thousands of horrible and/or stupid people.

Be glad that they are so easy to spot and like flocking together.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on August 01, 2013, 09:48:23 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 31, 2013, 11:31:16 pm
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The irony meter is starting to overheat. Should I be worried?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 01, 2013, 11:06:10 am
Quote from: Jack Mann on August 01, 2013, 06:35:28 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on July 31, 2013, 10:10:43 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on July 31, 2013, 09:00:54 pm
appropriating a sacred Native American ritual and completely bastardizing it in the process to make money.

Yep. And on top of perpetuating stereotypes and using religion as a means to cash in, many of these plastic shaman have seriously injured or killed people while attempting to perform cheap knockoffs of Native rituals (sweat lodges, vision quests, etc.)

Also, I can completely understand why Natives are hurt and offended when people turn sacred regalia (warbonnets, etc.) into a fashion trend (which I wouldn't call racist so much as tacky and kind of insensitive) or dress up as caricatures of them for Halloween (which *is* racist).

That being said, purchasing things like dream catchers and moccasins isn't offensive.

I always laugh when someone talks about Native American shamans.  Shamanism originated from Northern Asia, not the Americas.  There aren't even many religions in the Americas that are shamanistic.

But don't you know? All tribal cultures are identical and interchangeable!

In seriousness, though, "plastic shaman" is just a generic term used for anyone who misrepresents indigenous traditions for their own personal gain, not just idiots who claim to be "Native American shamans".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Auri-El on August 01, 2013, 02:04:19 pm
I always thought shaman was a generic term used for any priest-like figure in indigenous traditions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 01, 2013, 02:35:59 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 01, 2013, 02:40:11 pm
Regarding shamen, OMFGWTFBBQ HOW SEXIST!!!!! IT SHOULD BE SHAPEOPLE!!!!!!!!! Okay, SJW mode off.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/c30e61079d3b4019973894a7523c3ba0/tumblr_mq8rufaFTC1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

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KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN!

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Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on August 01, 2013, 02:35:59 pm
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Well, didn't expect that irritation to get mentioned. I might have a little bit of pity for Evan if she wasn't in the habit of cheating on everyone she dates. That said, I still don't quite get why her parents named her that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 01, 2013, 06:26:31 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on August 01, 2013, 02:35:59 pm
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Yes, I'm horrible for giving my female character a male name. Even tho it's part of the point of her character to be confused for male sometimes based on how she grew up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 01, 2013, 06:33:43 pm
Quote
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Dandy-femme? Have no idea what that is, but i'm picturing a female version of Adam Ant in the Prince Charming video.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 01, 2013, 06:34:35 pm
I guess Evan can be kind of a gender neutral name. Kinda like Riley.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 01, 2013, 06:37:26 pm
Unisex names, how do they work?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 01, 2013, 06:42:23 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on August 01, 2013, 06:37:26 pm
Unisex names, how do they work?
Via confusion and not working. Evan is rarely used for girls, Kelly is rarely used for boys, and people who still use them that way are to be suspected of trolling their children.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 01, 2013, 06:44:35 pm
There are still some names that are definitely unisex though, like Sydney, Terry, and Ariel.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 01, 2013, 06:45:46 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on August 01, 2013, 06:44:35 pm
There are still some names that are definitely unisex though, like Sydney, Terry, and Ariel.
I'd agree for the first two, and say no to the third. Imagine a boy in elementary school with the same name as The Little Mermaid. He will either grow up to kill himself or others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 01, 2013, 06:49:13 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 01, 2013, 06:45:46 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on August 01, 2013, 06:44:35 pm
There are still some names that are definitely unisex though, like Sydney, Terry, and Ariel.
I'd agree for the first two, and say no to the third. Imagine a boy in elementary school with the same name as The Little Mermaid. He will either grow up to kill himself or others.

I had a boy with the name Ariel as my babysitter for a while and he went off to a good college.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 01, 2013, 06:55:13 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on August 01, 2013, 06:49:13 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 01, 2013, 06:45:46 pm
Quote from: Eva-Beatrice on August 01, 2013, 06:44:35 pm
There are still some names that are definitely unisex though, like Sydney, Terry, and Ariel.
I'd agree for the first two, and say no to the third. Imagine a boy in elementary school with the same name as The Little Mermaid. He will either grow up to kill himself or others.

I had a boy with the name Ariel as my babysitter for a while and he went off to a good college.
It was an exaggerating joke. Still, I wouldn't give that name to a boy because it's like poking a lion and a bear repeatedly at the same time while ass-naked and expecting to not get injured. There's a chance, if you are lucky, but damn, there's a better likelihood of getting bullied non-stop for most of your childhood.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 01, 2013, 09:07:04 pm
Where I live, Ariel is an exclusively male name.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 01, 2013, 09:08:56 pm
I think the use of Ariel for boys is a very cultural thing. Much like Michel.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on August 01, 2013, 10:36:29 pm
Quote from: Auri-El on August 01, 2013, 02:04:19 pm
I always thought shaman was a generic term used for any priest-like figure in indigenous traditions.

Nope.  It's a term from an actual religion that still exists, particularly in Siberia.  For a while, anthropologists did kind of extend it out, in a "all primitive people are basically the same" mentality, but now it's reserved for religions that at least share the main characteristics of shamanism.  Specifically, belief in a separate spirit world, which can only be accessed by specific individuals, who undergo ecstatic trances to get the spirits to intervene for their follower.  There are only a few in North America, and I think six or seven in South America that practice shamanistic religions.  Which, given the diversity of religions among the indigenous peoples, is to be expected.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on August 02, 2013, 12:13:09 am
Angel is a unisex/gender depends on the culture name.

I never thought anything odd about Eliot on "Scrubs", even though one of the running gags was that she was given a guy name because her parents thought she'd be an only child.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 02, 2013, 12:19:03 am
For the record, Shane is put down as unisex but except for Shane McCutcheon from the L Word, you don't really hear of any female Shanes.

Conversely, with Paige/Page. It used to be a male driven name now it's mostly recognized as female.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 02, 2013, 12:20:40 am
Taylor is also becoming more commonly used as a girl's name despite having been primarily male when I was growing up (at least in Canada).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on August 02, 2013, 12:25:16 am
I used to know two female Alexes and a male Kelly, which always used to confuse my parents whenever I'd talk about school when I was younger.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 02, 2013, 03:05:14 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 02, 2013, 12:13:09 am
Angel is a unisex/gender depends on the culture name.

I never thought anything odd about Eliot on "Scrubs", even though one of the running gags was that she was given a guy name because her parents thought she'd be an only child.
The best male "Angel" is a vampire who got his own spin-off show.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on August 02, 2013, 05:50:40 am
Angel is also the name of the really manly hispanic cop on Dexter :o
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 02, 2013, 07:29:46 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 02, 2013, 03:05:14 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 02, 2013, 12:13:09 am
Angel is a unisex/gender depends on the culture name.

I never thought anything odd about Eliot on "Scrubs", even though one of the running gags was that she was given a guy name because her parents thought she'd be an only child.
The best male "Angel" is a vampire who got his own spin-off show.

"I had a soul before it was cool."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 02, 2013, 12:10:22 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on August 02, 2013, 05:50:40 am
Angel is also the name of the really manly hispanic cop on Dexter :o
Yeppers. He's the 2nd best male Angel.

Quote from: Lithp on August 02, 2013, 07:29:46 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 02, 2013, 03:05:14 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 02, 2013, 12:13:09 am
Angel is a unisex/gender depends on the culture name.

I never thought anything odd about Eliot on "Scrubs", even though one of the running gags was that she was given a guy name because her parents thought she'd be an only child.
The best male "Angel" is a vampire who got his own spin-off show.

"I had a soul before it was cool."
And now I have the mental image of Spike calling Angel a vampire hipster.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on August 02, 2013, 12:30:31 pm
Don't forget this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81ngel_Cabrera).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on August 02, 2013, 12:36:19 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 02, 2013, 12:10:22 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on August 02, 2013, 05:50:40 am
Angel is also the name of the really manly hispanic cop on Dexter :o
Yeppers. He's the 2nd best male Angel.

Quote from: Lithp on August 02, 2013, 07:29:46 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 02, 2013, 03:05:14 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 02, 2013, 12:13:09 am
Angel is a unisex/gender depends on the culture name.

I never thought anything odd about Eliot on "Scrubs", even though one of the running gags was that she was given a guy name because her parents thought she'd be an only child.
The best male "Angel" is a vampire who got his own spin-off show.

"I had a soul before it was cool."
And now I have the mental image of Spike calling Angel a vampire hipster.
He totally would, too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 02, 2013, 01:30:26 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on August 02, 2013, 05:50:40 am
Angel is also the name of the really manly hispanic cop on Dexter :o

"Dammit, Mawwia, you couldn't let it go."

Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 02, 2013, 03:05:14 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 02, 2013, 12:13:09 am
Angel is a unisex/gender depends on the culture name.

I never thought anything odd about Eliot on "Scrubs", even though one of the running gags was that she was given a guy name because her parents thought she'd be an only child.
The best male "Angel" is a vampire who got his own spin-off show.

Angel was more likable (although still occasionally frustrating) on the spin-off, but I found him rather insufferable on Buffy. The entire "I'm tragic" shtick got old really quickly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 02, 2013, 01:40:17 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on August 02, 2013, 01:30:26 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on August 02, 2013, 05:50:40 am
Angel is also the name of the really manly hispanic cop on Dexter :o

"Dammit, Mawwia, you couldn't let it go."

Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 02, 2013, 03:05:14 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 02, 2013, 12:13:09 am
Angel is a unisex/gender depends on the culture name.

I never thought anything odd about Eliot on "Scrubs", even though one of the running gags was that she was given a guy name because her parents thought she'd be an only child.
The best male "Angel" is a vampire who got his own spin-off show.

Angel was more likable (although still occasionally frustrating) on the spin-off, but I found him rather insufferable on Buffy. The entire "I'm tragic" shtick got old really quickly.
Agreed. He's awesome until you add her into the picture.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 02, 2013, 01:43:17 pm
Is it weird that I always found Angelus way more attractive than Angel, even though he was a morally repugnant piece of shit? The way he carried himself, spoke, etc. had so much more personality than Angel ever did.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 02, 2013, 01:44:01 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on August 02, 2013, 01:43:17 pm
Is it weird that I always found Angelus way more attractive than Angel, even though he was a morally repugnant piece of shit? The way he carried himself, spoke, etc. had so much more personality than Angel ever did.
Nope. Angelus has tons of fangirls. I thought Angel got better on his show, but Angelus was always a ball of evil, evil laughs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 02, 2013, 02:23:41 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on August 02, 2013, 01:30:26 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on August 02, 2013, 05:50:40 am
Angel is also the name of the really manly hispanic cop on Dexter :o

"Dammit, Mawwia, you couldn't let it go."

Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 02, 2013, 03:05:14 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 02, 2013, 12:13:09 am
Angel is a unisex/gender depends on the culture name.

I never thought anything odd about Eliot on "Scrubs", even though one of the running gags was that she was given a guy name because her parents thought she'd be an only child.
The best male "Angel" is a vampire who got his own spin-off show.

Angel was more likable (although still occasionally frustrating) on the spin-off, but I found him rather insufferable on Buffy. The entire "I'm tragic" shtick got old really quickly.

We all know you're just a massive Spike fangirl, tho. (Love you.) He's love's bitch but at least he was man enough to admit it unlike Angel.

Tho I find Angel just as hot as Spike. So there's that.
Quote from: Randomwolf42 on August 02, 2013, 12:25:16 am
I used to know two female Alexes and a male Kelly, which always used to confuse my parents whenever I'd talk about school when I was younger.

My Shepard eventually has a daughter who goes by Alex. And Shepard's girlfriend is called... *drumroll* Jack. So their household is amusing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on August 02, 2013, 02:31:03 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 02, 2013, 02:23:41 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on August 02, 2013, 01:30:26 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on August 02, 2013, 05:50:40 am
Angel is also the name of the really manly hispanic cop on Dexter :o

"Dammit, Mawwia, you couldn't let it go."

Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 02, 2013, 03:05:14 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 02, 2013, 12:13:09 am
Angel is a unisex/gender depends on the culture name.

I never thought anything odd about Eliot on "Scrubs", even though one of the running gags was that she was given a guy name because her parents thought she'd be an only child.
The best male "Angel" is a vampire who got his own spin-off show.

Angel was more likable (although still occasionally frustrating) on the spin-off, but I found him rather insufferable on Buffy. The entire "I'm tragic" shtick got old really quickly.

We all know you're just a massive Spike fangirl, tho. (Love you.) He's love's bitch but at least he was man enough to admit it unlike Angel.

Dammit, Booker! Now I need to go find a copy of "Lovers Walk."

"I got her beautiful dresses...with beautiful girls in them!"

I seem to recall an episode of season 5 where it was explained that Buffy just makes both Spike and Angel turn into loons. And the spin off comics show she can't keep any relationship going.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 02, 2013, 03:47:39 pm
They took his soul back from the evil demon thing, and then tried to reconstitute him.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 02, 2013, 04:23:40 pm
I have to admit that I enjoy Angel x Spike as a crack ship.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on August 02, 2013, 04:30:10 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 02, 2013, 04:23:40 pm
I have to admit that I enjoy Angel x Spike as a crack ship.

Actually, on Angel, Spike implied that he and Angel had actually done it one time. Possibly as part of a foursome with Drusilla and Darla.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 02, 2013, 04:58:49 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on August 02, 2013, 04:30:10 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 02, 2013, 04:23:40 pm
I have to admit that I enjoy Angel x Spike as a crack ship.

Actually, on Angel, Spike implied that he and Angel had actually done it one time. Possibly as part of a foursome with Drusilla and Darla.

So maybe the ship isn't as crack as I thought it was (I forgot about that actually)

That being said, whenever things get tense between them I just feel like saying "SHUT UP AND FUCK ALREADY!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 02, 2013, 05:02:18 pm
Yeah it's heavily implied that vampires often "mate" with their sires and that that is the case with Angel and Spike. It's certainly the case with Dru and Spike.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on August 02, 2013, 05:17:54 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 02, 2013, 04:58:49 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on August 02, 2013, 04:30:10 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 02, 2013, 04:23:40 pm
I have to admit that I enjoy Angel x Spike as a crack ship.

Actually, on Angel, Spike implied that he and Angel had actually done it one time. Possibly as part of a foursome with Drusilla and Darla.

So maybe the ship isn't as crack as I thought it was (I forgot about that actually)

That being said, whenever things get tense between them I just feel like saying "SHUT UP AND FUCK ALREADY!"

Hell, just throw Buffy in there and let them have a threesome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 02, 2013, 10:23:22 pm
The comics sound like a total clusterfuck. I'm really only interested if they bring back Tara. And why not? They brought back damn near everyone else who died in that season.

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And now I have the mental image of Spike calling Angel a vampire hipster.

I was referencing an episode of Season 7. Buffy responded, "Oh my God, are you 12?"

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Angel was more likable (although still occasionally frustrating) on the spin-off, but I found him rather insufferable on Buffy. The entire "I'm tragic" shtick got old really quickly.

Oddly enough, I thought he was pretty cool in Seasons 2 & 3, & that subsequent seasons would have been better if he stuck around. It didn't help that I really didn't give a dick about Spike until Season 7, when he finally stopped acting like a prat. For the most part, I mean, he was funny sometimes.

Haven't seen Angel. It's not airing at the moment, & I've heard it kinda sucks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 02, 2013, 10:37:22 pm
Quote from: Lithp on August 02, 2013, 10:23:22 pm
Haven't seen Angel. It's not airing at the moment, & I've heard it kinda sucks.

Odd, I've heard a lot of disappointment at the fact that it was cancelled and they had to hobble together an ending, which ended up being a cliffhanger.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on August 02, 2013, 11:11:53 pm
Quote from: Lithp on August 02, 2013, 10:23:22 pm
The comics sound like a total clusterfuck. I'm really only interested if they bring back Tara. And why not? They brought back damn near everyone else who died in that season.

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And now I have the mental image of Spike calling Angel a vampire hipster.

I was referencing an episode of Season 7. Buffy responded, "Oh my God, are you 12?"

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Angel was more likable (although still occasionally frustrating) on the spin-off, but I found him rather insufferable on Buffy. The entire "I'm tragic" shtick got old really quickly.

Oddly enough, I thought he was pretty cool in Seasons 2 & 3, & that subsequent seasons would have been better if he stuck around. It didn't help that I really didn't give a dick about Spike until Season 7, when he finally stopped acting like a prat. For the most part, I mean, he was funny sometimes.

Haven't seen Angel. It's not airing at the moment, & I've heard it kinda sucks.

It's good. Not as good as Buffy, but still pretty good. And in one episode Angel gets turned into a puppet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 02, 2013, 11:42:16 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/394a75107702da98f14c0ce3f4397a47/tumblr_mqvo81z7Xa1ryeto5o1_400.png)

I don't understand what this has to do with thin privilege.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/6d81ba80b7ee41aa86e995173a28747a/tumblr_mq7ztguM7n1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

I feel really bad for kids whose parents make them eat reasonably healthy diets.

That's what I'm getting from this post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 03, 2013, 12:13:40 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 02, 2013, 11:42:16 pm
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I don't understand what this has to do with thin privilege.

Apparently some people think that the only reason why an overweight person would dress nicely is if they are a prostitute. Or that's what it seems to claim.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 03, 2013, 06:34:35 am
Quote from: askold on August 03, 2013, 12:13:40 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 02, 2013, 11:42:16 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/394a75107702da98f14c0ce3f4397a47/tumblr_mqvo81z7Xa1ryeto5o1_400.png)

I don't understand what this has to do with thin privilege.

Apparently some people think that the only reason why an overweight person would dress nicely is if they are a prostitute. Or that's what it seems to claim.

I have never heard that before.

Generally it's jeers of "HEY STOP TRYING TO BE SEXY YOU TUB OF LARD!"

And generally it's the thin, healthy people dressed up being accused of being prostitutes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 03, 2013, 06:53:23 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 03, 2013, 06:34:35 am
Quote from: askold on August 03, 2013, 12:13:40 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 02, 2013, 11:42:16 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/394a75107702da98f14c0ce3f4397a47/tumblr_mqvo81z7Xa1ryeto5o1_400.png)

I don't understand what this has to do with thin privilege.

Apparently some people think that the only reason why an overweight person would dress nicely is if they are a prostitute. Or that's what it seems to claim.

I have never heard that before.

Generally it's jeers of "HEY STOP TRYING TO BE SEXY YOU TUB OF LARD!"

And generally it's the thin, healthy people dressed up being accused of being prostitutes.

I've heard people with big boobs say that they can't wear certain tops because they make them look like prostitutes.

I guess bigger people tend to have bigger boobs, but a thin person could have this problem as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on August 03, 2013, 06:58:01 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on August 02, 2013, 03:47:39 pm
They took his soul back from the evil demon thing, and then tried to reconstitute him.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 03, 2013, 07:09:29 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 03, 2013, 06:58:01 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on August 02, 2013, 03:47:39 pm
They took his soul back from the evil demon thing, and then tried to reconstitute him.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on August 03, 2013, 07:13:17 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 03, 2013, 07:09:29 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 03, 2013, 06:58:01 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on August 02, 2013, 03:47:39 pm
They took his soul back from the evil demon thing, and then tried to reconstitute him.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 03, 2013, 07:18:38 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 03, 2013, 07:13:17 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 03, 2013, 07:09:29 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 03, 2013, 06:58:01 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on August 02, 2013, 03:47:39 pm
They took his soul back from the evil demon thing, and then tried to reconstitute him.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 03, 2013, 08:28:19 pm
Okay, but see Giles was hot as Ripper. Okay? Okay. Just me? Okay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 03, 2013, 08:49:11 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 03, 2013, 08:28:19 pm
Okay, but see Giles was hot as Ripper. Okay? Okay. Just me? Okay.
Definitely not just you, Booker. He's also hot as the Repo Man and whenever he's reprising one of his biggest roles on stage, Dr. Frank-N-Furter. Sorry, Tim Curry, but Anthony Head is just hotter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on August 03, 2013, 08:55:21 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 03, 2013, 08:49:11 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 03, 2013, 08:28:19 pm
Okay, but see Giles was hot as Ripper. Okay? Okay. Just me? Okay.
Definitely not just you, Booker. He's also hot as the Repo Man and whenever he's reprising one of his biggest roles on stage, Dr. Frank-N-Furter. Sorry, Tim Curry, but Anthony Head is just hotter.

Thirded. Ripper was just so...mmmm yummy! And his singing voice... *fans*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 03, 2013, 09:02:53 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 03, 2013, 08:55:21 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 03, 2013, 08:49:11 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 03, 2013, 08:28:19 pm
Okay, but see Giles was hot as Ripper. Okay? Okay. Just me? Okay.
Definitely not just you, Booker. He's also hot as the Repo Man and whenever he's reprising one of his biggest roles on stage, Dr. Frank-N-Furter. Sorry, Tim Curry, but Anthony Head is just hotter.

Thirded. Ripper was just so...mmmm yummy! And his singing voice... *fans*
Anything Anthony Head sings is awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uq2vaP2cLU
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 03, 2013, 09:07:48 pm
Anthony Head as King Pendragon was hilarious. He hated magic yet Giles used magic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 03, 2013, 09:30:39 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 03, 2013, 08:49:11 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 03, 2013, 08:28:19 pm
Okay, but see Giles was hot as Ripper. Okay? Okay. Just me? Okay.
Definitely not just you, Booker. He's also hot as the Repo Man and whenever he's reprising one of his biggest roles on stage, Dr. Frank-N-Furter. Sorry, Tim Curry, but Anthony Head is just hotter.

Your words anger me.

Ironbite-so...so much...*gets the pitchforks and torches*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 03, 2013, 09:35:25 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 03, 2013, 07:18:38 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 03, 2013, 07:13:17 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 03, 2013, 07:09:29 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 03, 2013, 06:58:01 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on August 02, 2013, 03:47:39 pm
They took his soul back from the evil demon thing, and then tried to reconstitute him.

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I thought Ripper was cool, it'd be nice to see him again, even though the "revived as a 12 year old" thing is kinda stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 03, 2013, 10:34:12 pm
Bringing this back on topic:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/ed31250c3ff55586d956c146760a45b9/tumblr_mq8uso1DjV1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m62pk5BzQS1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on August 04, 2013, 01:55:33 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/e3ecc108c8fcef0f71787d1568a8221b/tumblr_mqu2t5fpf11ryeto5o1_500.png)

Yeah...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 04, 2013, 01:58:27 am
White people speaking Spanish is appropriation?

(http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/eseu.gif)

Yeah... sure...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on August 04, 2013, 02:01:32 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 03, 2013, 08:55:21 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 03, 2013, 08:49:11 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 03, 2013, 08:28:19 pm
Okay, but see Giles was hot as Ripper. Okay? Okay. Just me? Okay.
Definitely not just you, Booker. He's also hot as the Repo Man and whenever he's reprising one of his biggest roles on stage, Dr. Frank-N-Furter. Sorry, Tim Curry, but Anthony Head is just hotter.

Thirded. Ripper was just so...mmmm yummy! And his singing voice... *fans*

Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GbVjEApiPU
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 04, 2013, 02:15:31 am
Quote from: Damen on August 04, 2013, 01:55:33 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/e3ecc108c8fcef0f71787d1568a8221b/tumblr_mqu2t5fpf11ryeto5o1_500.png)

Yeah...

LOL learning a language is a luxury.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 04, 2013, 12:06:09 pm
Quote from: Damen on August 04, 2013, 01:55:33 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/e3ecc108c8fcef0f71787d1568a8221b/tumblr_mqu2t5fpf11ryeto5o1_500.png)

Yeah...

I wonder if I should accuse them of cultural appropriation, learning my language when they have the privilege of being born and raised in a first-world country.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 04, 2013, 12:23:40 pm
That's it. Anyone who speaks English who is not of English ancestry is a racist, culture appropriating bastard who needs to stop oppressing me and my people and should ensure that any and all privilege is immediately and thoroughly checked.

Suddenly, I'm rather glad that I'm 8th or so English. Yay for loopholes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on August 04, 2013, 01:20:23 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on August 04, 2013, 12:23:40 pm
That's it. Anyone who speaks English who is not of English ancestry is a racist, culture appropriating bastard who needs to stop oppressing me and my people and should ensure that any and all privilege is immediately and thoroughly checked.

Suddenly, I'm rather glad that I'm 8th or so English. Yay for loopholes.

As am I. Going by my ancestry, I can claim the right to learn Gaelic, Dutch, Hebrew, Arabic, Krymchaksky, and English.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: anti-nonsense on August 04, 2013, 02:25:46 pm
I'm half English, and part Irish and Scottish, I'm also part First Nations, meaning I'm one of the relatively few people who actually has an ancestral right to live in North America.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 04, 2013, 03:04:52 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on August 04, 2013, 01:20:23 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on August 04, 2013, 12:23:40 pm
That's it. Anyone who speaks English who is not of English ancestry is a racist, culture appropriating bastard who needs to stop oppressing me and my people and should ensure that any and all privilege is immediately and thoroughly checked.

Suddenly, I'm rather glad that I'm 8th or so English. Yay for loopholes.

As am I. Going by my ancestry, I can claim the right to learn Gaelic, Dutch, Hebrew, Arabic, Krymchaksky, and English.

Going by my ancestry, I can claim the right to learn Welsh, English, Polish, and the language belonging to one kind of Native American tribe.  We're just not sure which.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 04, 2013, 03:17:04 pm
I claim German, Italian and the language the Seminole tribe spoke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on August 04, 2013, 03:41:35 pm
Also, Jewish scholars invented hypertext, so any time you click on a link, you're appropriating Jewish culture.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on August 04, 2013, 04:26:01 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1161f099a33e4d29536d74732a0b023d/tumblr_mr0jn9ySro1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Me thinks someone flunked Social Studies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on August 04, 2013, 06:17:04 pm
Quote from: Damen on August 04, 2013, 04:26:01 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1161f099a33e4d29536d74732a0b023d/tumblr_mr0jn9ySro1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Me thinks someone flunked Social Studies.
He/she has a very Eurocentric understanding of history.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 04, 2013, 07:26:54 pm
Quote from: Damen on August 04, 2013, 04:26:01 pm
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Me thinks someone flunked Social Studies.

Because everyone in power in India's caste system where white men. And all the Egyptian Pharaoh's were white men.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 04, 2013, 08:35:32 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 04, 2013, 03:17:04 pm
I claim German, Italian and the language the Seminole tribe spoke.

German, Ukrainian, Russian, Scots-Gaelic, probably Hebrew.

So all the cool languages. I win. ;P

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/955c7a571d2fd438d8e7d0001ce3f65e/tumblr_mq8slazWQM1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Oh yes, it's so damn hard.


Quote from: thejebusfire on August 04, 2013, 07:26:54 pm
Quote from: Damen on August 04, 2013, 04:26:01 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1161f099a33e4d29536d74732a0b023d/tumblr_mr0jn9ySro1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Me thinks someone flunked Social Studies.

Because everyone in power in India's caste system where white men. And all the Egyptian Pharaoh's were white men.

Spartan women. The slave uprisings. Your argument is invalid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 04, 2013, 08:42:09 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 04, 2013, 07:26:54 pm
Quote from: Damen on August 04, 2013, 04:26:01 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1161f099a33e4d29536d74732a0b023d/tumblr_mr0jn9ySro1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Me thinks someone flunked Social Studies.

Because everyone in power in India's caste system where white men. And all the Egyptian Pharaoh's were white men.

OOOOH CAN I PLAY!?

The Indian tribes, the African kings, the Aztec and Mayan empires were all white men!

Ironbite-see I can play too!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 04, 2013, 09:22:10 pm
Also, exactly HOW many non-whites were in high positions of power in Greece and Rome?

Rome even had an African emperor. The Romans didn't give two shits about your ethnicity as long as you at least paid lip service to their religion and paid your taxes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 04, 2013, 09:23:30 pm
More paid your taxes then religion.

Ironbite-and that African emperor was kinda sorta raised in Rome so...does he really count?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 04, 2013, 09:47:14 pm
Quote from: ironbite on August 04, 2013, 09:23:30 pm
More paid your taxes then religion.

Ironbite-and that African emperor was kinda sorta raised in Rome so...does he really count?

He still wasn't white. As far as these people are concerned, white is white and POC is POC no matter where you come from.

And they were kinda serious about the religion angle, but it wasn't a "BURN THE WITCH" thing. It was more comparable to a religious community's disapproval of someone who doesn't go to church. The problem they had with Christians was a mix of propaganda about their supposedly crazy and violent rituals and the fact that they were outright defiant, rather than simply practicing at home and making token tips to the pantheon in public.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on August 04, 2013, 09:47:23 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on August 04, 2013, 03:41:35 pm
Also, Jewish scholars invented hypertext, so any time you click on a link, you're appropriating Jewish culture.

No shit. There's a totally cool story behind that I'm sure.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on August 04, 2013, 10:28:07 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on August 04, 2013, 09:47:23 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on August 04, 2013, 03:41:35 pm
Also, Jewish scholars invented hypertext, so any time you click on a link, you're appropriating Jewish culture.

No shit. There's a totally cool story behind that I'm sure.

It's by the referencing in the Talmud. Read Umberto Eco's "Travels in hyperreality". Actually just read as much of his stuff as you can get your hands on, one of the greatest living authors.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 04, 2013, 11:24:18 pm
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The patriarchy told me my opinion is invalid unless it’s “logical" (as defined by the patriarchy).


Apparently logic is a tool of patriarchy.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 04, 2013, 11:58:15 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 04, 2013, 11:24:18 pm
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The patriarchy told me my opinion is invalid unless it’s “logical" (as defined by the patriarchy).


Apparently logic is a tool of patriarchy.

Having seen what a number of misogynistic fuckwads call 'logic', I can't help but suspect I'd agree with this person, in context.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on August 05, 2013, 12:01:19 am
Without context, it hard to say whether or not that one is bad. Because like Sigma said, I've seen MRAs jumps through logical hoops to defend their shitty beliefs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 05, 2013, 12:58:17 am
Unfortunately there was no context. So I can't tell if they're talking about MRA "logic" or not.
Perhaps that wasn't the best quote to use.

Although I did recently stumble upon a post about how the only people who look at nutrition labels at restaurants are people with eating disorders.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 05, 2013, 01:08:15 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 05, 2013, 12:58:17 am
Unfortunately there was no context. So I can't tell if they're talking about MRA "logic" or not.
Perhaps that wasn't the best quote to use.

Although I did recently stumble upon a post about how the only people who look at nutrition labels at restaurants are people with eating disorders.

Well I look at nutrition labels and I'm pretty sure I have an eating disorder (I eat emotionally and I'm probably addicted to food as a whole)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on August 05, 2013, 01:13:48 am
Some people want to look at it just to know. Some people look at it because they have a specific work out regiment. Some people look at it because they are suffering from illness that resulted from not eating and thus they'd like to know if they've gotten enough calories for the day. And some people like me do all three. I'm not sure what's inherently wrong with looking at a nutrition label.  ???
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 05, 2013, 01:25:25 am
I guess the idea (and therefore misconception) is that people who don't have eating disorders generally don't have to worry about their health.

I was just pointing out I wasn't the best person to try to prove that wrong....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 05, 2013, 01:31:24 am
My wife checks all the labels on food because she is determined to buy healthy food that suits her diet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 05, 2013, 02:05:02 am
I mostly look out of curiosity. Though when I did HHN the first time, I calculated my caloric intake to determine just how much more food I was consuming to keep myself energized through the work night.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 05, 2013, 02:15:57 am
I like to look at them simply because I like to know what I'm eating.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 05, 2013, 02:37:29 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 05, 2013, 02:15:57 am
I like to look at them simply because I like to know what I'm eating.

I don't have to worry about that because I'm basically immune to food problems. You can feed me virtually anything and I doubt I'll suffer anything unusual.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 05, 2013, 03:04:42 am
I look at them for the pretty numbers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on August 05, 2013, 03:18:59 am
I'll look to see if it has anything non-kosher in it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 05, 2013, 06:50:06 am
I hardly ever read food labels and I should probably read them more.

Once I ate a whole box of these tiny jam puff pastry things, and when I looked at the nutritional information it said they were 2000 calories! I was shocked, they wern't even that filling.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on August 05, 2013, 09:01:39 am
I sometimes read the labels out of pure boredom. If I'm eating breakfast and have a cereal box in front of me, then that's where my eyes tend to drift.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 05, 2013, 11:07:36 am
Product labels on food...


Truly this is a discussion of the very worst of social justice...

...Hmm I'm not posting on topic either. QUICK NEED TO FIND SOMETHING. *Askold spends 15minutes at wtfsocialjustice. Askold then bangs head against desk repeatedly*

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8509mtoS21ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Here's one. You are not a proper trans* if you do not send death threats to cissexual people...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on August 05, 2013, 11:10:16 am
The only time i look at them is when im in the store looking at breakfast cereals, thats it
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 05, 2013, 11:20:59 am
Calling someone an "internet activist" is ableist now? Are they admitting that they and the rest of the social justice twits are in fact stupid enough to actually qualify as mentally disabled?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 05, 2013, 11:52:51 am
Quote from: askold on August 05, 2013, 11:07:36 am
Product labels on food...


Truly this is a discussion of the very worst of social justice...

...Hmm I'm not posting on topic either. QUICK NEED TO FIND SOMETHING. *Askold spends 15minutes at wtfsocialjustice. Askold then bangs head against desk repeatedly*

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8509mtoS21ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Here's one. You are not a proper trans* if you do not send death threats to cissexual people...

Well shit. I better get to cracking, then. Oh wait. I just remembered. I don't care. /Sansa Stark
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 05, 2013, 07:05:25 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on August 05, 2013, 11:20:59 am
Calling someone an "internet activist" is ableist now? Are they admitting that they and the rest of the social justice twits are in fact stupid enough to actually qualify as mentally disabled?

Hold on, let me stretch the logic here.

lllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooggggggggggggggggggggiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiccccccccccccccccccccc

Okay, let me try my best shot.

The logic is that if you're calling someone an internet activist, you're implying that they are too disabled to be a real activist, so you're implying that they are stupid and wrong and implying that you're superior to them and implying that you deserve your privilege to them.

implying

Yes I'm pointing out how stupid it is.  And making fun of board-chans at the same time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on August 05, 2013, 07:15:29 pm
>implying implications
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on August 05, 2013, 08:02:22 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/2cUwGSC.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 05, 2013, 08:24:24 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1ef8dd2b0e761a424ccc1512c0feccec/tumblr_mqxpiziFCV1sdpus2o1_400.png)

WHAT?!

*Please let this be a troll.*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 05, 2013, 08:50:29 pm
When will someone change their forum title to "Transnigger"?

That's like, the best word.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 05, 2013, 09:14:45 pm
I did, I think.

And I agree; while that was WTF, it was also hilarious as heck.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Patches on August 05, 2013, 09:53:52 pm
This opinion article was on the CNN mainpage a bit this afternoon: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/01/living/parents-irpt-zorka-no-kids/index.html?iref=allsearch

Quote
I identify with many of my gay and lesbian friends in that I've always felt I should be honest about who I was. I don't think it's right to have to say, "Well, we'll have kids someday," just as I don't think it's right for a gay man to have to say, "Someday I'll meet a nice girl and settle down." Like him, this is simply who I am.

My "coming out" has been met with mixed reactions from family members.

While this woman is welcome to complain about being stigmatized for choosing not to have children, likening the disapproval from a few family members for "coming out" as childfree as being similar to the plight of gays is just ludicrous.  Wake me when "coming out" as childfree means she can be legally denied housing, employment, military service, blood donations, or marriage for that reason; when church groups set up "ex-childfree camps" where families send their daughters to cure them of their childlessness; or when advocacy groups are set up for the sole purpose of lobbying to make it illegal to not have children.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 06, 2013, 03:43:00 am
Given the reactions she says she's gotten, frankly I'm impressed that she actually realizes that there is a difference.

You know, not everything has to be shoehorned into "best" or "worst."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 06, 2013, 03:47:14 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 05, 2013, 08:50:29 pm
When will someone change their forum title to "Transnigger"?

That's like, the best word.
I'm more of a transgoatfucker, myself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 06, 2013, 03:51:23 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on August 06, 2013, 03:47:14 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 05, 2013, 08:50:29 pm
When will someone change their forum title to "Transnigger"?

That's like, the best word.
I'm more of a transgoatfucker, myself.

...Must not make culturalist joke, must not make culturalist joke...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 06, 2013, 10:00:37 am
^^ C'mon, you know you wanna do it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 08, 2013, 09:29:39 am
Quote from: Lithp on August 06, 2013, 03:43:00 am
Given the reactions she says she's gotten, frankly I'm impressed that she actually realizes that there is a difference.

You know, not everything has to be shoehorned into "best" or "worst."

Aye, it might be a tad misinformed, at worst, but the author does note that there are many differences between coming out as gay and telling people you don't want to have kids...if you, ya know, actually bothered to pay attention whilst reading the entire article (I even read the fuckin comments section).

Personally, I do not want to be a father.  At this point, yes, that does extend even to adoption.  I told my mother this...a year or two ago, methinks.  I was a tad scared, because I knew she was one of those that thought parenthood was a wonderful thing, but she was surprisingly cool about it.  She certainly tried to make a case for it, but she was very reasonable and even said that my reasoning behind not wanting to be a father was very sound: not wanting to give a biological child any of my family's many psychological illnesses, predispositions for cancer, and the simple fact that raising kids is a (typically) 20 year commitment and is problematic in the extreme because, eventually, you're going to have to deal with puberty.  I had enough of puberty's bullshit when I went thru it, I don't want to have to deal with it on a daily basis ever again.

That said, I've received a good bit of snark for it, too.  Basically, treating me like a child that doesn't want to eat his vegetables, and there are those who've acted like I'm nearly a family traitor.  If I want to drink Ramune, eat Hot Pockets, fuck my girlfriend, or not have kids, that's my damned choice.  You don't have to like it.  And, YES, I will eventually get married, and no, my wife will not give one single iota of a fuck that I don't want to be a father.  If its a problem for someone I'm in a relationship with...well, I'm sorry, but if its a huge issue for you, there are better men than me out there, and you're free to take your pick of them once we go our separate ways.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 08, 2013, 09:55:31 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 08, 2013, 09:29:39 am
Quote from: Lithp on August 06, 2013, 03:43:00 am
Given the reactions she says she's gotten, frankly I'm impressed that she actually realizes that there is a difference.

You know, not everything has to be shoehorned into "best" or "worst."

Aye, it might be a tad misinformed, at worst, but the author does note that there are many differences between coming out as gay and telling people you don't want to have kids...if you, ya know, actually bothered to pay attention whilst reading the entire article (I even read the fuckin comments section).

Personally, I do not want to be a father.  At this point, yes, that does extend even to adoption.  I told my mother this...a year or two ago, methinks.  I was a tad scared, because I knew she was one of those that thought parenthood was a wonderful thing, but she was surprisingly cool about it.  She certainly tried to make a case for it, but she was very reasonable and even said that my reasoning behind not wanting to be a father was very sound: not wanting to give a biological child any of my family's many psychological illnesses, predispositions for cancer, and the simple fact that raising kids is a (typically) 20 year commitment and is problematic in the extreme because, eventually, you're going to have to deal with puberty.  I had enough of puberty's bullshit when I went thru it, I don't want to have to deal with it on a daily basis ever again.

That said, I've received a good bit of snark for it, too.  Basically, treating me like a child that doesn't want to eat his vegetables, and there are those who've acted like I'm nearly a family traitor.  If I want to drink Ramune, eat Hot Pockets, fuck my girlfriend, or not have kids, that's my damned choice.  You don't have to like it.  And, YES, I will eventually get married, and no, my wife will not give one single iota of a fuck that I don't want to be a father.  If its a problem for someone I'm in a relationship with...well, I'm sorry, but if its a huge issue for you, there are better men than me out there, and you're free to take your pick of them once we go our separate ways.

I told my mum that I don't want kids, but she's in complete denial. She had a dream that I was 27 and that I had two children, and she's convinced that it's actually going to happen ::)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Auri-El on August 08, 2013, 10:04:06 am
You should come back with something like, Well, I had a dream that unicorns came to visit me, but that isn't happening.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 08, 2013, 10:13:48 am
Quote from: Auri-El on August 08, 2013, 10:04:06 am
You should come back with something like, Well, I had a dream that unicorns came to visit me, but that isn't happening.

I don't think that would work, she would probably take that as proof of unicorns.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Auri-El on August 08, 2013, 10:24:14 am
Damn. I'm sorry. :(
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 08, 2013, 10:40:56 am
It's not the end of the world, she's not really horrible about it. It's just slightly irritating. :D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 08, 2013, 10:43:38 am
Well, at least she dreamed that you were 27 with kids, instead of 21 or so...at least that's somewhat reasonable, lol.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on August 08, 2013, 10:45:20 am
And at least it wasn't 27 kids.

My mom will forever think I'll change my mind on kids, but I'm rather sure I won't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on August 08, 2013, 11:15:53 am
The most responsible thing someone who doesn't want to have kids can do is to not have kids. Children don't exactly thrive in environments where they're treated as burdens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 08, 2013, 12:10:49 pm
What about as food source?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 08, 2013, 12:57:32 pm
Quote from: ironbite on August 08, 2013, 12:10:49 pm
What about as food source?

Well, listen up, sonny Jim: I ate a baby. Oh, aye, Baby: the other, other white meat. Baby: it's what's for dinner.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 08, 2013, 01:24:01 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 08, 2013, 12:57:32 pm
Quote from: ironbite on August 08, 2013, 12:10:49 pm
What about as food source?

Well, listen up, sonny Jim: I ate a baby. Oh, aye, Baby: the other, other white meat. Baby: it's what's for dinner.

Why relegate baby-eating to just dinner?  They're good for any meal of the day!  After all, what makes a morning more than some eggs, thin-sliced baby bacon, and some fresh-squeezed baby's blood?  Finger-lickin good!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 08, 2013, 01:44:29 pm
Quote
They say “you know how
boys are.” as if it mattered.
As if men just get

a free pass in life
to be as cruel as they please.
If only they knew

how I fantasize
about killing every boy
who used that excuse.

I want to put them
down like rabid dogs and hear
them beg for mercy

The only thing you put down like a rabid dog is the art of poetry.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e03da8abab067a0557a33595b9f507c4/tumblr_mr66ssHEVA1rmluldo1_500.png)

NO FACTS ONLY FEELS!!

And now I'm off to tell my mom that I was conceived via rape.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 08, 2013, 06:21:40 pm
OK, what the hell happened in 1993?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 08, 2013, 07:11:11 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 08, 2013, 06:21:40 pm
OK, what the hell happened in 1993?

According to wikipedia, Marital Rape was made illegal in all 50 states by 1993.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 08, 2013, 07:13:41 pm
1993 was the year in which marital rape was finally considered a crime in all 50 states, so I'm assuming that that's what they're referring to.

The sheer failure of logic here is just astounding.

Edit: Beaten, god damn it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 08, 2013, 07:45:26 pm
I just find the whole "PIV is always rape" thing mind boggling.

Don't they realise that saying something is inherently wrong with a woman enjoying PIV, is just incredibly insulting?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 08, 2013, 07:48:29 pm
I've said it before and I'll say it again: They've become so extreme in their radical feminism that they've managed to go full circle and arrive back at misogyny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 08, 2013, 08:22:48 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 08, 2013, 07:11:11 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 08, 2013, 06:21:40 pm
OK, what the hell happened in 1993?

According to wikipedia, Marital Rape was made illegal in all 50 states by 1993.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape

a) It's seriously fucked up that it took that long.

b) So the logic goes: If someone, somewhere on the same country as you, could be legally raping his wife, then you can't consent to sex with your husband.

The world is insane in so many different axes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on August 08, 2013, 08:45:15 pm
BUT IF TEH WOMENZ WANTED IT TEY WER JUST BRANEWASHED BY TEH MENZ 2 LIEK IT!

Yeah, I've never understood that line of logic either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 10, 2013, 09:11:56 am
I love how they don't even seem to realize that their idiotic opinions are actually denigrating to women.  Basically, they're implying that women are too stupid to smell manipulation and general bullshit, or that men are just SO MUCH SMARTER than women that they can always hoodwink them all the time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 10, 2013, 09:52:52 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 10, 2013, 09:11:56 am
I love how they don't even seem to realize that their idiotic opinions are actually denigrating to women.  Basically, they're implying that women are too stupid to smell manipulation and general bullshit, or that men are just SO MUCH SMARTER than women that they can always hoodwink them all the time.

It's the same deal as in some of the victim blaming in rapes. They start with "Ohhh she shoulndn't have dressed like that, the men can't control themselves." without realizing that they are also claiming that men have no self control and the only way to stop them from raping every female around them is to have women cover themselves completely, or better yet lock themselves inside...

They start by blaming the women but instead make a case against men.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ThunderWulf on August 10, 2013, 10:25:29 pm
Quote from: askold on August 10, 2013, 09:52:52 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 10, 2013, 09:11:56 am
I love how they don't even seem to realize that their idiotic opinions are actually denigrating to women.  Basically, they're implying that women are too stupid to smell manipulation and general bullshit, or that men are just SO MUCH SMARTER than women that they can always hoodwink them all the time.

It's the same deal as in some of the victim blaming in rapes. They start with "Ohhh she shoulndn't have dressed like that, the men can't control themselves." without realizing that they are also claiming that men have no self control and the only way to stop them from raping every female around them is to have women cover themselves completely, or better yet lock themselves inside...

They start by blaming the women but instead make a case against men.

Yep.  At those extremes all the line of thinking does is make everyone look like an asshole or an idiot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on August 10, 2013, 11:08:10 pm
(click to show/hide)

(http://media.tumblr.com/4b3d73a3b93e7db619f2ccb31a23205b/tumblr_inline_mpovkwAqV31qz4rgp.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 11, 2013, 12:25:28 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/d840cae054bd47cfa4c62f100d34b092/tumblr_mq638idCeX1rmluldo1_r1_1280.jpg)

If you're really that pissed about a Pixar short then you need a fucking life.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e9b9a10e1d8c79ce82067c99bd117555/tumblr_mra00fI6UD1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

"How dare other people be happy when I'm not!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 11, 2013, 12:27:32 am
"This is a rant, so ignore if you like."

Okay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 11, 2013, 01:13:01 am
Quote from: Alehksunos on August 10, 2013, 11:08:10 pm
(click to show/hide)

Photoshopped image is photoshopped.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 11, 2013, 01:15:36 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 11, 2013, 01:13:01 am
Quote from: Alehksunos on August 10, 2013, 11:08:10 pm
(click to show/hide)

Photoshopped image is photoshopped.
Yeah, the sonic pictures look like they've been taken from screencaps rather than photos.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 11, 2013, 01:19:12 am
Yeah, thankfully, photoshopped.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 11, 2013, 04:40:58 am
Though the message still gives me cause for concern even without the Sonic images.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 11, 2013, 04:36:51 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGUKC-0CAAMF3bB.jpg)

This is the original. Still definitely has the weird fetishism going on, although it's less ridiculous than the sonic stuff.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 12, 2013, 02:45:16 am
Exhibit A of gay fetishizing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 12, 2013, 03:55:28 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 12, 2013, 02:45:16 am
Exhibit A of gay fetishizing.
Still better than homophobes. Gay fetishizing: it doesn't lead to murder.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 12, 2013, 05:45:10 am
The lesser of two evils is still evil, though, and it's still ultimately harmful to the LGBT rights movement. Even the small stuff feeds into a larger system of discrimination, where gay couples are treated as a novelty, curios or, in some cases, evil and dangerous, rather than real, live human beings who are merely doing something that people have been doing since the dawn of time -- being attracted to and falling in love with another person.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 12, 2013, 07:34:59 am
M'lady is right. And it has lead to people spewing hatred at those who dare get in the way of the gay couple. Women are reviled and the actresses sent hate mail (with the dreaded 'kill yourself') because the writers didn't have the fans's gay OTPs in mind. It's still bad, no matter how innocent you might consider it to be.

Oh and the ever-popular 'you're a homophobe' if you don't happen to have queer ships. That's a good one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 12, 2013, 03:14:00 pm
I agree, that's going far too far. However, I'd rather people be hunting the slightest bit of possible maybe homophobia than hunting LGBTQA etc, etc people. Basically, they're idiots and assholes, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 12, 2013, 03:44:56 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/79c1a3dd146cec9b30dee6c98cb44c2d/tumblr_mqr9l9SSmw1ryeto5o1_500.png)
You have other problems than Thin Privilege.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/6100ef607c2a6721013060655a63ff3e/tumblr_mq1meh37Wu1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Dear Twerkers: You look like shit when you dance.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/b16b629383372062b5b935c71af3c16b/tumblr_mp6oms3RPk1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Everything is about you, right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 12, 2013, 05:31:10 pm
Quote
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/79c1a3dd146cec9b30dee6c98cb44c2d/tumblr_mqr9l9SSmw1ryeto5o1_500.png)

I think this person should seriously be concerned about their weight and health if they can't fit in a shower.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 12, 2013, 05:32:48 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 12, 2013, 05:31:10 pm
Quote
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/79c1a3dd146cec9b30dee6c98cb44c2d/tumblr_mqr9l9SSmw1ryeto5o1_500.png)

I think this person should seriously be concerned about their weight and health if they can't fit in a shower.

Especially if its a shower in "one of the best hotels" which are probably bigger than standard size.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 12, 2013, 05:37:35 pm
She has a point in the gossiping being terrible, but that would happen even if she wasn't fat and instead did something else embarrassing.

That being said, I'm not sure what showers are like in the Philippines, but I'm going with the others in saying that THAT much weight is unhealthy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 12, 2013, 05:52:23 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 12, 2013, 03:44:56 pm

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/b16b629383372062b5b935c71af3c16b/tumblr_mp6oms3RPk1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Everything is about you, right?

POC bigots?!! N0 PoC Big0Tz!!! Only WhiTE MaN BiGotz!!!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Auri-El on August 12, 2013, 05:55:47 pm
I was going to say something about that, but I think you summed it up pretty well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 12, 2013, 05:56:59 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 12, 2013, 05:37:35 pm
She has a point in the gossiping being terrible, but that would happen even if she wasn't fat and instead did something else embarrassing.

That being said, I'm not sure what showers are like in the Philippines, but I'm going with the others in saying that THAT much weight is unhealthy.

As Mint said, one of the "best hotels" would probably be standard size or larger. It MIGHT make sense if it was a cheap hotel or motel meant to mainly be used by locals in a country where most people are smaller than average. But a top notch hotel is meant to be visited by international guests. If you're literally too large to fit in a standard size shower, you should probably be going in for surgery.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 13, 2013, 07:39:11 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 12, 2013, 05:31:10 pm
Quote
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/79c1a3dd146cec9b30dee6c98cb44c2d/tumblr_mqr9l9SSmw1ryeto5o1_500.png)

I think this person should seriously be concerned about their weight and health if they can't fit in a shower.

Lady must have a custom shower back home. Nice hotels have some pretty damn spacious showers and tubs. You could fit two of me in some of them and I ain't skinny as a pole.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 13, 2013, 01:31:29 pm
Hell, I have more problems than most people purely because of my height. My shower at home was installed in a house of tall people (my grandfather was at least 6 feet and my mom was 5'10 in her youth), so I can fit all 6'2 of me under the showerhead fine. But I've very rarely found a hotel or resort where I haven't had to at least slightly duck under it to fit anything above the shoulder blades.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on August 13, 2013, 03:28:00 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/93c7681580970107d87ead5f1904123c/tumblr_mrfvp6DIg81ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Umm...

...hm.

(http://www.memoriesofmystical.com/images/tumblr/bashireyes.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 13, 2013, 04:21:59 pm
I think that story inadvertently ended up showing the exact kind of family life that leads to this level of....problem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Valerius on August 13, 2013, 04:44:27 pm
',:|

That girl has serious issues. I can see that her mom is worried for her, but like chitoryu said, she has problems too and isn't exactly helping.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 13, 2013, 04:49:22 pm
Doesn't using the word alcoholic as a slur go against the whole extreme social justice thing she has going on?

I'm tempted to make a tumblr account just to tell her that I am a trans-alcoholic and I am very offended.

Check your sobriety privilege!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Valerius on August 13, 2013, 04:51:20 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 13, 2013, 04:49:22 pm
Doesn't using the word alcoholic as a slur go against the whole extreme social justice thing she has going on?

I'm tempted to make a tumblr account just to tell her that I am a trans-alcoholic and I am very offended.

Check your sobriety privilege!

Do it!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on August 13, 2013, 05:24:25 pm
Well, if anything, at least she didn't choose a large cat as her kin animal (or whatever the word for that is).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 13, 2013, 05:29:17 pm
...I literally have no words for what I just read.

Other than those words.

And those words.

And those words.

And--

I'll stop now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 13, 2013, 05:43:34 pm
Quote from: Valerius on August 13, 2013, 04:51:20 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 13, 2013, 04:49:22 pm
Doesn't using the word alcoholic as a slur go against the whole extreme social justice thing she has going on?

I'm tempted to make a tumblr account just to tell her that I am a trans-alcoholic and I am very offended.

Check your sobriety privilege!

Do it!

Done!

Set up a tumblr and sent her this:

"Check your sobriety privilege! A trans-alcoholic friend of mine was viewing this and was shocked and appalled at the use of alcoholic as a slur. A victim of the AA conspiracy, she was far too distraught to confront you, but I am not . This is just the sort of prejudice we alcoholic and trans-alcoholic people have to fight against everyday and I for one am SICK of it."

I also reblogged her and tagged it with #alcophobia #should know better #trigger warning
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Clochette on August 13, 2013, 06:28:25 pm
I get the feeling that some radical SJ warriors are less interested in what they can do for social justice than what social justice can do for them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 13, 2013, 06:41:30 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 13, 2013, 05:43:34 pm
Quote from: Valerius on August 13, 2013, 04:51:20 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 13, 2013, 04:49:22 pm
Doesn't using the word alcoholic as a slur go against the whole extreme social justice thing she has going on?

I'm tempted to make a tumblr account just to tell her that I am a trans-alcoholic and I am very offended.

Check your sobriety privilege!

Do it!

Done!

Set up a tumblr and sent her this:

"Check your sobriety privilege! A trans-alcoholic friend of mine was viewing this and was shocked and appalled at the use of alcoholic as a slur. A victim of the AA conspiracy, she was far too distraught to confront you, but I am not . This is just the sort of prejudice we alcoholic and trans-alcoholic people have to fight against everyday and I for one am SICK of it."

I also reblogged her and tagged it with #alcophobia #should know better #trigger warning

Poe's Law at its finest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 13, 2013, 09:15:02 pm
Quote from: Clochette on August 13, 2013, 06:28:25 pm
I get the feeling that some radical SJ warriors are less interested in what they can do for social justice than what social justice can do for them.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cataclysm on August 13, 2013, 10:13:12 pm
Spoilered for being large. And disgusting.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on August 13, 2013, 10:17:06 pm
Quote from: Cataclysm on August 13, 2013, 10:13:12 pm
Spoilered for being large. And disgusting.

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I always find it hilarious that these people talk about 'educating'  others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on August 13, 2013, 10:36:20 pm
If you change a few words here and there, it'd be indistinguishable from any sort of MRA spiel.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 13, 2013, 11:04:47 pm
When did Tod Akin become a SJW?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 13, 2013, 11:19:14 pm
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a) Rape apology.
b) Minimizing the severity of a traumatic experience.
c) Implying that the problem with rape isn't the gross violation of body autonomy, but some bullshit about societal constructs.

Congratulations! You've gone past "well-intentioned but misguided", raced through "fucking idiot", and arrived full-on at "disgusting piece of shit".

May your self-righteousness lapse for long enough for the horrifying realization to dawn on you: you're part of the problem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 13, 2013, 11:30:02 pm
Holy shit...Sigma, you want a coffee?  That's how a proper curse is done; nice and subtle, yet far more damning than losing all your hair or suffering with a horrid case of pubic lice for the rest of your life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on August 14, 2013, 01:46:57 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/147aec9c7d3fe2760d9537fd0830dd54/tumblr_mrhm758WBw1ryeto5o1_500.png)

...troll?

...please?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on August 14, 2013, 08:47:41 am
Quote from: Cataclysm on August 13, 2013, 10:13:12 pm
Spoilered for being large. And disgusting.

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"consensual rape"

Wat
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 14, 2013, 10:03:12 am
Quote from: Damen on August 14, 2013, 01:46:57 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/147aec9c7d3fe2760d9537fd0830dd54/tumblr_mrhm758WBw1ryeto5o1_500.png)

...troll?

...please?

lol I remember putting that in the IRC. We settled on simple racism disguised under murderous misandry.

Also the rape one... did you really use legitimate rape in a sentence? Way to go.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a530f210b1949b342d7d560bd6c5aa14/tumblr_mrjg5yKTiE1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 14, 2013, 06:27:11 pm
Quote from: Cataclysm on August 13, 2013, 10:13:12 pm
Spoilered for being large. And disgusting.

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..............................................WHAT!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 14, 2013, 08:23:48 pm
So who here is an anti-magic bigot?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 14, 2013, 08:30:42 pm
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The first chapters of the Harry Potter books must be very triggering for her, what with all the Dursley's anti-magic bigotry
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on August 14, 2013, 09:26:51 pm
How do you rape yourself anyway? Really aggresive mastyrbation?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on August 14, 2013, 09:28:31 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 14, 2013, 08:23:48 pm
So who here is an anti-magic bigot?

So very me! I am anti-supernatural. I don't believe in gods, magic, souls, or anything like that. Let the SJ extremists hate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 14, 2013, 09:34:54 pm
There's actually some doubt as to whether DID even exists as a valid, naturally-occurring disorder.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 14, 2013, 10:12:03 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/147aec9c7d3fe2760d9537fd0830dd54/tumblr_mrhm758WBw1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Nope...

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 15, 2013, 02:23:33 am
I'm actually reading that as a racist's sarcastic idea of what they think feminism is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 15, 2013, 04:48:08 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/a9a7e0cfd585677d9ffbee1411d82085/tumblr_mmx1inj9Wr1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Casual racism from a SJW is normal. Most Jews are good, it's the ones that are supportive of Israel's highly ironic (although, to be fair, anyone who knows all the batshit insanity in the Old Testament would have seen this a mile away) genocidal racist campaign that are cuntwagons.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/5fcae38ae0c6987a6627a5844a802fcd/tumblr_mmvd3ruyF01ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Fat privilege is not being gawked at and fetishized when your clothing tears.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/3e4de398e7ecd7f8e5d7cca3aee2d065/tumblr_mmssulIsRT1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 15, 2013, 04:55:56 am
Is "problematic" ever used as a legitimate term, or is it always this passive-aggressive not-actually-making-a-point thing?

Also, I'm not sure what confuses me more: That these "straight people/white people/male people I hate you" types think that people even care, or that there are enough who are actually sensitive enough to try to counter them & make them THINK that people care.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 15, 2013, 06:06:36 am
Quote from: Lithp on August 15, 2013, 04:55:56 am
Is "problematic" ever used as a legitimate term, or is it always this passive-aggressive not-actually-making-a-point thing?

Also, I'm not sure what confuses me more: That these "straight people/white people/male people I hate you" types think that people even care, or that there are enough who are actually sensitive enough to try to counter them & make them THINK that people care.
I use it legitimately, I don't know about others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on August 15, 2013, 12:40:01 pm
I'll screenshot the post when I find it (as I saw the debate about it in an anon tumblr group and they didn't link back to the in game debate) but apparently the trans mod on a game I play is just pretending to be trans to force social justice issues on the game community. I'd take it with a grain of salt if I hadn't heard it backed up by several community members I trust and respect. S/he is also pulling a Red and trying to identify as a POC when they're whiter than I am.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 15, 2013, 01:25:31 pm
Franz the Cat was the Drawn Together of the early 70's. It was meant to be crude and offensive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Valerius on August 15, 2013, 03:27:52 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 15, 2013, 04:48:08 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/3e4de398e7ecd7f8e5d7cca3aee2d065/tumblr_mmssulIsRT1ryeto5o1_500.png)

I'm so grateful that some anonymous dumbass on the internet tolerates me.  ::)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 15, 2013, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Lithp on August 15, 2013, 04:55:56 am
Is "problematic" ever used as a legitimate term, or is it always this passive-aggressive not-actually-making-a-point thing?

Sure. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV7CVKiUJ84)

Firefly references aside, though, I do think there is a legitimate use for "problematic" in a social justice context. Criticising something as problematic is different from declaring it irredeemably wrong, and that's often a useful distinction to make.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 15, 2013, 10:04:10 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 15, 2013, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Lithp on August 15, 2013, 04:55:56 am
Is "problematic" ever used as a legitimate term, or is it always this passive-aggressive not-actually-making-a-point thing?

Sure. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV7CVKiUJ84)

Firefly references aside, though, I do think there is a legitimate use for "problematic" in a social justice context. Criticising something as problematic is different from declaring it irredeemably wrong, and that's often a useful distinction to make.
Is it sad I knew what that link would be without clicking it or looking at the 2nd paragraph? That said, someone know how to make an Ice Planet?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 16, 2013, 12:18:38 am
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Dear white feminist shitlords. You are among the most privilege group on the planet, if not the most. It doesn’t matter if you’re a feminist (in fact most white and jewish feminist just want to benefit themselves and their race with feminism and cause the destruction of PoC cultures and societies, and you can NEVER experience or know of the experience of People of Colour), accept and CHECK your FUCKING privilege.

You like to ignore it and whenever the topic gets brought up, you divert it with blame solely being on the white men only, but your privilege exceeds white men and goes unchecked in your circle jerks of acting like you care about PoC’s or WoC’s when in reality just want to be a black sheep with a victim complex.

Because your race institutionally controls everything and benefits from the struggles of PoC and WoC, you can not be the victim of the institution of rape (which your race has created), rape is a power institution, rape can only occur when an oppressed individual (Women of Colour inclusively) is sexually violated by a individual of power (White men), because of your institutional privilege in society and throughout history, you have immense power influence and privilege; YOU CAN NEVER BE RAPE BECAUSE OF THIS. You can be sexually violated, but not raped. Get it right if you want to be true allies in ending white supremacy and white privilege.

I’m sick and tired of spoiled white bitches who cry about it when you can never be a victim of it, your privilege in the past has gotten a lot of Men of Colour LYNCHED because of your constant lies and false accusations which occur daily. Even today thousands of innocent men of colour are falsely convicted and prosecuted. Because of your privilege you have maintained a position in society which with the point of your finger has gotten men of colour lynched and executed. Check it and educate yourselves.

This is the same anti-Semite I posted about in the Things People Say on the Internet thread.

Intersectionality, amirite?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 16, 2013, 12:42:28 am
Would that be from a white woman of color?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on August 16, 2013, 12:48:29 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 15, 2013, 10:04:10 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 15, 2013, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Lithp on August 15, 2013, 04:55:56 am
Is "problematic" ever used as a legitimate term, or is it always this passive-aggressive not-actually-making-a-point thing?

Sure. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV7CVKiUJ84)

Firefly references aside, though, I do think there is a legitimate use for "problematic" in a social justice context. Criticising something as problematic is different from declaring it irredeemably wrong, and that's often a useful distinction to make.
Is it sad I knew what that link would be without clicking it or looking at the 2nd paragraph? That said, someone know how to make an Ice Planet?
http://tastyplanner.com/blog/articles/The-Problem-with-Ice-Planets
lo and behold! Though I always though that if I had to try, I'd make the planet core out of meringue and then use her method to cover it with ice cream.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 16, 2013, 01:23:01 am
I'd be interested in seeing the term used sensibly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on August 16, 2013, 02:59:57 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on August 16, 2013, 12:18:38 am
Quote
Dear white feminist shitlords. You are among the most privilege group on the planet, if not the most. It doesn’t matter if you’re a feminist (in fact most white and jewish feminist just want to benefit themselves and their race with feminism and cause the destruction of PoC cultures and societies, and you can NEVER experience or know of the experience of People of Colour), accept and CHECK your FUCKING privilege.

You like to ignore it and whenever the topic gets brought up, you divert it with blame solely being on the white men only, but your privilege exceeds white men and goes unchecked in your circle jerks of acting like you care about PoC’s or WoC’s when in reality just want to be a black sheep with a victim complex.

Because your race institutionally controls everything and benefits from the struggles of PoC and WoC, you can not be the victim of the institution of rape (which your race has created), rape is a power institution, rape can only occur when an oppressed individual (Women of Colour inclusively) is sexually violated by a individual of power (White men), because of your institutional privilege in society and throughout history, you have immense power influence and privilege; YOU CAN NEVER BE RAPE BECAUSE OF THIS. You can be sexually violated, but not raped. Get it right if you want to be true allies in ending white supremacy and white privilege.

I’m sick and tired of spoiled white bitches who cry about it when you can never be a victim of it, your privilege in the past has gotten a lot of Men of Colour LYNCHED because of your constant lies and false accusations which occur daily. Even today thousands of innocent men of colour are falsely convicted and prosecuted. Because of your privilege you have maintained a position in society which with the point of your finger has gotten men of colour lynched and executed. Check it and educate yourselves.

This is the same anti-Semite I posted about in the Things People Say on the Internet thread.

Intersectionality, amirite?

I suppose rape apology is now trendy among the foam-at-the-mouth SJWs these days. I've been seeing it more and more.

Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 15, 2013, 04:48:08 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/3e4de398e7ecd7f8e5d7cca3aee2d065/tumblr_mmssulIsRT1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Would you like us here or there?
Would you like us in a house?
Would you like us with a mouse?
Would you like us in a box?
Would you like us with a fox?

Would you like us in a car?
Look at us, look at us! Here we are!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 16, 2013, 02:19:43 pm
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Black Men:
When will you stop praising these white women? I mean, they have absolutely NO loyalty to you yet you praise them while bashing black women? Why?!

You do know that they’re only using you right? You’ll never be fully accepted into their life or lifestyle no matter how big her ass is or how mean her sneaker game is.

White women never have and never will love you so keep drinking the white women’s poison. Lets see how how far that takes you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 16, 2013, 02:42:58 pm
Huh, that one's actually new to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 16, 2013, 06:04:51 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on August 16, 2013, 12:18:38 am
Quote
Dear white feminist shitlords. You are among the most privilege group on the planet, if not the most. It doesn’t matter if you’re a feminist (in fact most white and jewish feminist just want to benefit themselves and their race with feminism and cause the destruction of PoC cultures and societies, and you can NEVER experience or know of the experience of People of Colour), accept and CHECK your FUCKING privilege.

You like to ignore it and whenever the topic gets brought up, you divert it with blame solely being on the white men only, but your privilege exceeds white men and goes unchecked in your circle jerks of acting like you care about PoC’s or WoC’s when in reality just want to be a black sheep with a victim complex.

Because your race institutionally controls everything and benefits from the struggles of PoC and WoC, you can not be the victim of the institution of rape (which your race has created), rape is a power institution, rape can only occur when an oppressed individual (Women of Colour inclusively) is sexually violated by a individual of power (White men), because of your institutional privilege in society and throughout history, you have immense power influence and privilege; YOU CAN NEVER BE RAPE BECAUSE OF THIS. You can be sexually violated, but not raped. Get it right if you want to be true allies in ending white supremacy and white privilege.

I’m sick and tired of spoiled white bitches who cry about it when you can never be a victim of it, your privilege in the past has gotten a lot of Men of Colour LYNCHED because of your constant lies and false accusations which occur daily. Even today thousands of innocent men of colour are falsely convicted and prosecuted. Because of your privilege you have maintained a position in society which with the point of your finger has gotten men of colour lynched and executed. Check it and educate yourselves.

This is the same anti-Semite I posted about in the Things People Say on the Internet thread.

Intersectionality, amirite?

Dear so-called social justice people:

Every time you even consider the possibility of saying that non-consensual sex wasn't rape because of reason X, I want you to perform the following exercise: Imagine yourself in front of a mirror. Imagine that the person looking back is the most disgusting men's rights activist ever to post on Reddit. Imagine your reflection saying the words "It wasn't rape, she was dressed like a slut".

If you are not sufficiently disgusted, I give up. You are a lost cause.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on August 16, 2013, 07:44:05 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 16, 2013, 06:04:51 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on August 16, 2013, 12:18:38 am
Quote
Dear white feminist shitlords. You are among the most privilege group on the planet, if not the most. It doesn’t matter if you’re a feminist (in fact most white and jewish feminist just want to benefit themselves and their race with feminism and cause the destruction of PoC cultures and societies, and you can NEVER experience or know of the experience of People of Colour), accept and CHECK your FUCKING privilege.

You like to ignore it and whenever the topic gets brought up, you divert it with blame solely being on the white men only, but your privilege exceeds white men and goes unchecked in your circle jerks of acting like you care about PoC’s or WoC’s when in reality just want to be a black sheep with a victim complex.

Because your race institutionally controls everything and benefits from the struggles of PoC and WoC, you can not be the victim of the institution of rape (which your race has created), rape is a power institution, rape can only occur when an oppressed individual (Women of Colour inclusively) is sexually violated by a individual of power (White men), because of your institutional privilege in society and throughout history, you have immense power influence and privilege; YOU CAN NEVER BE RAPE BECAUSE OF THIS. You can be sexually violated, but not raped. Get it right if you want to be true allies in ending white supremacy and white privilege.

I’m sick and tired of spoiled white bitches who cry about it when you can never be a victim of it, your privilege in the past has gotten a lot of Men of Colour LYNCHED because of your constant lies and false accusations which occur daily. Even today thousands of innocent men of colour are falsely convicted and prosecuted. Because of your privilege you have maintained a position in society which with the point of your finger has gotten men of colour lynched and executed. Check it and educate yourselves.

This is the same anti-Semite I posted about in the Things People Say on the Internet thread.

Intersectionality, amirite?

Dear so-called social justice people:

Every time you even consider the possibility of saying that non-consensual sex wasn't rape because of reason X, I want you to perform the following exercise: Imagine yourself in front of a mirror. Imagine that the person looking back is the most disgusting men's rights activist ever to post on Reddit. Imagine your reflection saying the words "It wasn't rape, she was dressed like a slut".

If you are not sufficiently disgusted, I give up. You are a lost cause.

I think they have a nerve accusing all white feminists of having victim complexes, when their whole world revolves around constantly complaining about how no one else is capable of suffering as much as them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on August 17, 2013, 04:56:37 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1259c49bc30b558b834dfe751de7f99a/tumblr_mqifcp0F351ryeto5o1_500.png)

I have to ask; is this guy serious? Everything I have come to learn about asexuality can be summed up in "no desire to have sex." Not that an asexual won't have sex, just that there is no desire for it. But it strikes me that this guy is basically telling me I can call myself an asexual just because I haven't gotten laid in almost a year.

I really think this is just a case of Special Snowflake Syndrome, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 17, 2013, 05:04:30 pm
Quote from: Damen on August 17, 2013, 04:56:37 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1259c49bc30b558b834dfe751de7f99a/tumblr_mqifcp0F351ryeto5o1_500.png)

I have to ask; is this guy serious? Everything I have come to learn about asexuality can be summed up in "no desire to have sex." Not that an asexual won't have sex, just that there is no desire for it. But it strikes me that this guy is basically telling me I can call myself an asexual just because I haven't gotten laid in almost a year.

The exact opposite. They're saying that being asexual is a matter of not experiencing sexual attraction, and whether they have sex or not is an entirely different question.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 17, 2013, 11:08:28 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 17, 2013, 05:04:30 pm
Quote from: Damen on August 17, 2013, 04:56:37 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1259c49bc30b558b834dfe751de7f99a/tumblr_mqifcp0F351ryeto5o1_500.png)

I have to ask; is this guy serious? Everything I have come to learn about asexuality can be summed up in "no desire to have sex." Not that an asexual won't have sex, just that there is no desire for it. But it strikes me that this guy is basically telling me I can call myself an asexual just because I haven't gotten laid in almost a year.

The exact opposite. They're saying that being asexual is a matter of not experiencing sexual attraction, and whether they have sex or not is an entirely different question.
Which as a whole nother can of worms. If they're having sex, and they're not being raped, they clearly have sexual attraction. They're getting boners/wet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 17, 2013, 11:27:08 pm
Ah, no, not necessarily.

Being aroused is a physical thing.  The body responds to stimulation of such even without the urging of the mind.  Just because you have no sexual attraction doesn't mean your body doesn't react to stimuli with arousal.

Logic like yours is often used to defend the notion that men can't be raped, because "penetration has to be involved, and men don't get hard if they aren't wanting to have sex."  Which is biologically wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 17, 2013, 11:28:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 17, 2013, 11:27:08 pm
Ah, no, not necessarily.

Being aroused is a physical thing.  The body responds to stimulation of such even without the urging of the mind.  Just because you have no sexual attraction doesn't mean your body doesn't react to stimuli with arousal.

Logic like yours is often used to defend the notion that men can't be raped, because "penetration has to be involved, and men don't get hard if they aren't wanting to have sex."  Which is biologically wrong.
Okay, but with asexuals, how can they get aroused?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 17, 2013, 11:34:57 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 17, 2013, 11:28:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 17, 2013, 11:27:08 pm
Ah, no, not necessarily.

Being aroused is a physical thing.  The body responds to stimulation of such even without the urging of the mind.  Just because you have no sexual attraction doesn't mean your body doesn't react to stimuli with arousal.

Logic like yours is often used to defend the notion that men can't be raped, because "penetration has to be involved, and men don't get hard if they aren't wanting to have sex."  Which is biologically wrong.
Okay, but with asexuals, how can they get aroused?

Do you lack critical reading skills?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 17, 2013, 11:37:47 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 17, 2013, 11:34:57 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 17, 2013, 11:28:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 17, 2013, 11:27:08 pm
Ah, no, not necessarily.

Being aroused is a physical thing.  The body responds to stimulation of such even without the urging of the mind.  Just because you have no sexual attraction doesn't mean your body doesn't react to stimuli with arousal.

Logic like yours is often used to defend the notion that men can't be raped, because "penetration has to be involved, and men don't get hard if they aren't wanting to have sex."  Which is biologically wrong.
Okay, but with asexuals, how can they get aroused?

Do you lack critical reading skills?
No, I figured asexuals could not get aroused, even with stimuli.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 17, 2013, 11:46:11 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 17, 2013, 11:37:47 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 17, 2013, 11:34:57 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 17, 2013, 11:28:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 17, 2013, 11:27:08 pm
Ah, no, not necessarily.

Being aroused is a physical thing.  The body responds to stimulation of such even without the urging of the mind.  Just because you have no sexual attraction doesn't mean your body doesn't react to stimuli with arousal.

Logic like yours is often used to defend the notion that men can't be raped, because "penetration has to be involved, and men don't get hard if they aren't wanting to have sex."  Which is biologically wrong.
Okay, but with asexuals, how can they get aroused?

Do you lack critical reading skills?
No, I figured asexuals could not get aroused, even with stimuli.

No, the body often gets aroused against the will of the mind.

It's one of the things that makes rape as horrible as it actually is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 17, 2013, 11:50:15 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 17, 2013, 11:46:11 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 17, 2013, 11:37:47 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 17, 2013, 11:34:57 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 17, 2013, 11:28:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 17, 2013, 11:27:08 pm
Ah, no, not necessarily.

Being aroused is a physical thing.  The body responds to stimulation of such even without the urging of the mind.  Just because you have no sexual attraction doesn't mean your body doesn't react to stimuli with arousal.

Logic like yours is often used to defend the notion that men can't be raped, because "penetration has to be involved, and men don't get hard if they aren't wanting to have sex."  Which is biologically wrong.
Okay, but with asexuals, how can they get aroused?

Do you lack critical reading skills?
No, I figured asexuals could not get aroused, even with stimuli.

No, the body often gets aroused against the will of the mind.

It's one of the things that makes rape as horrible as it actually is.
Ahh, okay. Yeah, I thought for asexuals it was pretty much impossible for them to get aroused.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 18, 2013, 12:01:09 am
Asexuals can still experience physical arousal, but likely don't experience the mental side of it that most of us attach to it without even thinking.  That said, an asexual can still have sex and not be raped; they may be (willingly, of course) satisfying the sexual needs of their partner.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 18, 2013, 12:06:20 am
Ravynous managed to explain it better than I was trying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 18, 2013, 12:16:59 am
I speak personally, from experience, as I've slept with a few women, and I've not been attracted to their gender.

For me, its more that it felt good and I got something out of it. Not out of attraction to their gender or looks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 18, 2013, 02:43:37 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/6cf43e91a7766ab5a5bc035c42cebee5/tumblr_mrpqddRTHu1sfbzago1_400.jpg)

STOP.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 18, 2013, 02:58:57 am
I love eating meat in front of militant vegans and stressing the suffering that goes into my meal and how it tastes so damn good for it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 18, 2013, 04:06:55 am
I've always known that asexuals can physically have sex, & that there are reasons to have sex other than enjoyment of it, but Tumblr "asexuals" are basically horndogs who talk about how much it sucks to be horny & want sex all of the time, just for the sake of it. That is not asexuality. That's sexuality.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Her3tiK on August 18, 2013, 09:32:17 pm
Quote from: Lithp on August 18, 2013, 04:06:55 am
I've always known that asexuals can physically have sex, & that there are reasons to have sex other than enjoyment of it, but Tumblr "asexuals" are basically horndogs who talk about how much it sucks to be horny & want sex all of the time, just for the sake of it. That is not asexuality. That's sexuality.
Sounds like they don't know the definition of the word 'asexual', more than anything. Or how to talk to [gender of choice].
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 19, 2013, 02:43:44 am
Quote
guys, white americans wearing native american headdresses is exactly like nazis wearing yarmulkes

don’t fucking do it okay

Okay, so I get why hipsters turning warbonnets into a fashion statement is offensive, but this is still a stupid comparison.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on August 19, 2013, 03:04:15 am
Yeah, War Bonnets aren't just a fashion statement, but an important cultural feature for many native tribes, but this guy is going way overboard. Also, even if there was an attempted genocide of the natives, modern Americans are not trying to kill them like modern Nazis would. The more accurate comparison would be Germans wearing Yarmulkes, but that would just make how stupid of a comparison that really is apparent.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 19, 2013, 10:10:42 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on August 19, 2013, 03:04:15 am
Yeah, War Bonnets aren't just a fashion statement, but an important cultural feature for many native tribes, but this guy is going way overboard. Also, even if there was an attempted genocide of the natives, modern Americans are not trying to kill them like modern Nazis would. The more accurate comparison would be Germans wearing Yarmulkes, but that would just make how stupid of a comparison that really is apparent.

German Jews. Done.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma7shkllq51qm66xno1_500.png)
The ask, rather than the answer, is why I'm posting it here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on August 19, 2013, 12:25:44 pm
I'm white and have blonde hair. Hitler's gal, right here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 19, 2013, 01:47:10 pm
I dunno. I'm more upset by the use of Homestuck for.....anything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 19, 2013, 02:59:10 pm
White...and has blond hair......

Ironbite-......*explodes*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 19, 2013, 04:31:44 pm
Oh, great. Someone clean up the metal raptor bits on Aisle 11.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 19, 2013, 04:50:25 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 19, 2013, 01:47:10 pm
I dunno. I'm more upset by the use of Homestuck for.....anything.
Meh, it's pretty harmless.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 19, 2013, 09:37:25 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on August 19, 2013, 12:25:44 pm
I'm white and have blonde hair. Hitler's gal, right here.

I'm white and have blonde hair, too.  Clearly, I'm Hitler's gay lover.

Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 19, 2013, 04:50:25 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 19, 2013, 01:47:10 pm
I dunno. I'm more upset by the use of Homestuck for.....anything.
Meh, it's pretty harmless.

I think the attitude towards it is similar to the attitude for using ponies for the same reason.

"Enough, we get it, you like thing, stop shoving thing down our throats!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: anti-nonsense on August 19, 2013, 09:43:24 pm
so am I off the hook because I have brown hair? Or does being white automatically make you a Nazi now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 19, 2013, 09:46:27 pm
Quote from: anti-nonsense on August 19, 2013, 09:43:24 pm
so am I off the hook because I have brown hair? Or does being white automatically make you a Nazi now?

Brown hair?

You know who else had brown hair?

THE RED SQUI--

I mean

HITLER!!!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 19, 2013, 09:50:51 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/d53700b9233b05da0362ef8f875bea70/tumblr_mrt3f3GP7c1ryeto5o1_500.jpg)

I'm... I... uhm... er...

I give up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 19, 2013, 09:53:11 pm
THE PATRIARCHY INVENTED SMELLS
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on August 19, 2013, 10:05:09 pm
I thought Vagisil was for yeast infections or something?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 19, 2013, 10:10:28 pm
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on August 19, 2013, 10:05:09 pm
I thought Vagisil was for yeast infections or something?

It is. Part of the stupidity is they don't even know what the thing is that they're railing against.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: anti-nonsense on August 19, 2013, 10:13:06 pm
because apparently the only reason a woman might want to look nice or smell nice is because is because of men, and not because you know looking nice and smelling nice FEELS nice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 19, 2013, 11:33:34 pm
Not to mention that the main problem with a yeast infection isn't so much the smell as the extreme discomfort.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 19, 2013, 11:35:55 pm
Quote
because apparently the only reason a woman might want to look nice or smell nice is because is because of men, and not because you know looking nice and smelling nice FEELS nice.

So do men shower because of the patriarchy, or....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 20, 2013, 12:40:10 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 19, 2013, 11:35:55 pm
Quote
because apparently the only reason a woman might want to look nice or smell nice is because is because of men, and not because you know looking nice and smelling nice FEELS nice.

So do men shower because of the patriarchy, or....

Men shower to lure the simple-minded members of the opposite sex into their primitive hovels so they can defile their bodies with disgusting, unnatural penis-in-vagina intercourse for the express purpose of their own self-aggrandizement and bestial pleasure.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 20, 2013, 12:46:05 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 19, 2013, 09:37:25 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 19, 2013, 04:50:25 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 19, 2013, 01:47:10 pm
I dunno. I'm more upset by the use of Homestuck for.....anything.
Meh, it's pretty harmless.

I think the attitude towards it is similar to the attitude for using ponies for the same reason.

"Enough, we get it, you like thing, stop shoving thing down our throats!"
Ahh. Yeah, I'm highly tolerant of fanboy and fangirlness. I'd be a hypocrite if I wasn't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on August 20, 2013, 07:44:06 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on August 19, 2013, 11:33:34 pm
Not to mention that the main problem with a yeast infection isn't so much the smell as the extreme discomfort.

In their mind they probably see yeast infections as a good thing, since it dissuades men from 'raping' women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 20, 2013, 01:02:46 pm
(http://i43.tinypic.com/vhuc6a.jpg)

How do I gender tense
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 20, 2013, 02:11:16 pm
I wonder what she thinks when she sees body wash or deoderant commercials.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 20, 2013, 02:41:55 pm
What if a woman uses male deodorant and stuff? :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 20, 2013, 03:42:20 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 20, 2013, 02:41:55 pm
What if a woman uses male deodorant and stuff? :P

Then the transwoman hate kicks in and they start accusing her of not being a real woman.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on August 20, 2013, 03:53:13 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 20, 2013, 03:42:20 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 20, 2013, 02:41:55 pm
What if a woman uses male deodorant and stuff? :P

Then the transwoman hate kicks in and they start accusing her of not being a real woman.

Wouldn't that be transman hate?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 20, 2013, 04:23:38 pm
I really need to start smoking pot.  For like...real this time.

Ironbite-otherwise I'm going to be out all my housepets.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 20, 2013, 05:04:57 pm
Quote from: Damen on August 20, 2013, 03:53:13 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 20, 2013, 03:42:20 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 20, 2013, 02:41:55 pm
What if a woman uses male deodorant and stuff? :P

Then the transwoman hate kicks in and they start accusing her of not being a real woman.

Wouldn't that be transman hate?

No. See, they think that MTF transsexuals are actually men who are disguising themselves as women to prey on them and sneak into bathrooms and whatnot. Therefore, a woman who uses male cleaning products is actually a man trying to pretend that he's a woman. Because only a "real woman" would exclusively use feminine care products. It goes with them being vulnerable, naive, virginal kittens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on August 20, 2013, 06:27:59 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 20, 2013, 02:41:55 pm
What if a woman uses male deodorant and stuff? :P

I actually have used male deodorant once.  It started out fine, but the more I used it, the more intense the itching became.  I couldn't even finish one stick before I had to stop for the sake of my own sanity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 20, 2013, 06:37:53 pm
I've used male products even before I identified as male. This one hates feeling like a flower.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 20, 2013, 07:02:40 pm
I use male deodorant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 20, 2013, 07:36:52 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 20, 2013, 06:37:53 pm
I've used male products even before I identified as male. This one hates feeling like a flower.

And now you are a space jellyfish to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 20, 2013, 08:38:16 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 20, 2013, 07:36:52 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 20, 2013, 06:37:53 pm
I've used male products even before I identified as male. This one hates feeling like a flower.

And now you are a space jellyfish to me.

Good. I was misquoting Garrus about seeing Hanar poetry. :D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 21, 2013, 08:06:44 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on August 20, 2013, 01:02:46 pm
(http://i43.tinypic.com/vhuc6a.jpg)

How do I gender tense

I'm confused at the formatting of this post. Why isn't the definition of "hero" connected to anything?

You know, I would probably use "hero" in a neuter sense. "Heroine" is just kind of an unnecessary expansion that sounds like a hard drug.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 21, 2013, 08:14:52 am
That's a more slang-style usage. This! IS! A DICTIONARY!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on August 21, 2013, 08:23:56 am
Quote from: Lithp on August 21, 2013, 08:06:44 am
You know, I would probably use "hero" in a neuter sense. "Heroine" is just kind of an unnecessary expansion that sounds like a hard drug.

Actually, the reason the drug is called "heroin" is because people thought it was less addictive than morphine at first, and thus a good idea to use as a surgical anesthetic, thus "saving" lots of people from drug addiction.  Then heroin proved to still be pretty damn addictive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 21, 2013, 09:33:34 am
Quote from: Lithp on August 21, 2013, 08:06:44 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on August 20, 2013, 01:02:46 pm
(http://i43.tinypic.com/vhuc6a.jpg)

How do I gender tense

I'm confused at the formatting of this post. Why isn't the definition of "hero" connected to anything?

You know, I would probably use "hero" in a neuter sense. "Heroine" is just kind of an unnecessary expansion that sounds like a hard drug.

The "Hold Up" gif is supposed to be the commentary. This is what passes for hard-hitting journalism on Tumblr.

Edit: Or maybe not, looking at the usernames on the post. I guess someone highlighted the definition and decided to let it speak for itself, only to have it backfire on them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 21, 2013, 09:40:48 am
Yeah, it looks like a conversation between 2 people who are pointing out the same flaw, & the definition is sort of just floating there.

This is why I don't like Tumblr's formatting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 21, 2013, 12:41:52 pm
Salon throws a hissy fit at some survey question Dr. Phil posts on his Twitter (http://www.salon.com/2013/08/20/the_vile_rape_tweet_dr_phil_deleted/)

I do believe he phrases his question in an unfortunate way ("If a girl is drunk" instead of "somebody") but the way everyone is reacting would make it think that he tweeted "HEY IS IT OKAY TO RAPE WOMAN? Y/N"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 21, 2013, 01:29:49 pm
What the fuck.

People, if you don't ask the question, you won't know what people answer.

If you don't know the answers, you don't know whether or not anti-rape education is working.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 21, 2013, 02:13:49 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on August 21, 2013, 12:41:52 pm
Salon throws a hissy fit at some survey question Dr. Phil posts on his Twitter (http://www.salon.com/2013/08/20/the_vile_rape_tweet_dr_phil_deleted/)

I do believe he phrases his question in an unfortunate way ("If a girl is drunk" instead of "somebody") but the way everyone is reacting would make it think that he tweeted "HEY IS IT OKAY TO RAPE WOMAN? Y/N"

If you hear enough people making idiotic rape apologetics, you're likely to frame that question in a context where it is, in fact, equivalent to asking if rape is OK.

Maybe Dr. Phil was ignorant of that and was asking a serious ethical question, I have no idea*. But I'm not at all surprised people interpreted as they did.


*Though, how much serious ethical discussion can you have with a question like that, where the answer is heavily dependent on many details not mentioned in the question, you're asked to reply yes or no, and you're limited to 140 characters?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 21, 2013, 03:21:32 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/0324638e061305c8040b3269f569008e/tumblr_mrwagjJSt01ryeto5o1_500.png)

What is with thin privilege and showers/tubs? I'm pretty sure this is a huge warning sign when you can't fit in a tub/shower.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Valerius on August 21, 2013, 03:41:28 pm
The whole "thin privilege/fat discrimination thing" (weight-ism?) is stupid and not comparable to, say, racism or homophobia, because unlike your race/ethnicity and sexual orientation, you can actually do something about your body weight. All I hear when I read SJWs whining about "fat discrimination" is "I'm significantly overweight, and I don't give enough of a shit about my health and/or am too lazy to actually be bothered to do anything about it, so I'll just sit here and bitch about how it's totally everyone else's fault instead."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 21, 2013, 04:38:23 pm
Well, not everyone can. Sometimes you put on weight for various reasons that you can't fix right away (stress, medication). But there comes a point where people are calling something discriminating when it's in fact a bit of a sign that maybe you should be talking to a doctor about the issue rather than demanding the world to change to fit your weight that is obviously more than just a little too much.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 21, 2013, 05:52:48 pm
Quote from: Valerius on August 21, 2013, 03:41:28 pm
The whole "thin privilege/fat discrimination thing" (weight-ism?) is stupid and not comparable to, say, racism or homophobia, because unlike your race/ethnicity and sexual orientation, you can actually do something about your body weight. All I hear when I read SJWs whining about "fat discrimination" is "I'm significantly overweight, and I don't give enough of a shit about my health and/or am too lazy to actually be bothered to do anything about it, so I'll just sit here and bitch about how it's totally everyone else's fault instead."

Not really relevant. Barring the fact that losing weight isn't exactly trivial for everyone, the fact that you can do something about it doesn't mean it's OK to discriminate on it. If ex-gay therapy worked, homophobia would still be every bit as unjustified as it is right now.

Which isn't to say there isn't a lot of bullshit whining about thin privilege or whatever. Of course there is. Fat discrimination isn't the same as racism (though it's still a real thing and it's still bad), but not because of the mutability of the condition.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Valerius on August 21, 2013, 07:01:23 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 21, 2013, 05:52:48 pm
Quote from: Valerius on August 21, 2013, 03:41:28 pm
The whole "thin privilege/fat discrimination thing" (weight-ism?) is stupid and not comparable to, say, racism or homophobia, because unlike your race/ethnicity and sexual orientation, you can actually do something about your body weight. All I hear when I read SJWs whining about "fat discrimination" is "I'm significantly overweight, and I don't give enough of a shit about my health and/or am too lazy to actually be bothered to do anything about it, so I'll just sit here and bitch about how it's totally everyone else's fault instead."

Not really relevant. Barring the fact that losing weight isn't exactly trivial for everyone, the fact that you can do something about it doesn't mean it's OK to discriminate on it. If ex-gay therapy worked, homophobia would still be every bit as unjustified as it is right now.

Which isn't to say there isn't a lot of bullshit whining about thin privilege or whatever. Of course there is. Fat discrimination isn't the same as racism (though it's still a real thing and it's still bad), but not because of the mutability of the condition.

Fair enough. And I wasn't trying to condone prejudice against overweight people or say that it's ever justified . If you discriminate against someone based on their weight, that makes you an asshole. I meant to say that I don't think the problem these people face is comparable to other more conventional prejudices because, in most cases, the trait upon which they're being discriminated against isn't a fixed quality. Again, I'm not trying to condone prejudice. Prejudice is prejudice, no matter what trait it's based on, and it's deplorable. But the situation these people find themselves in isn't quite the same as victims of racism or homophobia because, in most cases, they have a chance to escape it.

I apologize for the poor wording of my previous post. Also, I suppose I should have specified that I had these SJW types in mind when I posted last, the ones who demand the world change to accommodate their unusual situations and then throw tantrums when it doesn't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on August 21, 2013, 07:25:03 pm
Regarding the larger bathtub costing more -- um, duh. If it's larger, it required more materials and labor in general, and thus requires a higher price. Freakin' logic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on August 21, 2013, 07:38:04 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/6913eae3684ec0a7dfec79912d741e4d/tumblr_mrwkvpvnKn1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Uh-huh.

CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE CHECKING PRIVILEGE!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 21, 2013, 07:40:37 pm
Also, showers and bathtubs aren't exactly tiny. Taft may have gotten stuck in a bathtub, but people in general were smaller a century ago; I've seen their bathtubs myself. It takes an absolute monster of a person today to not fit in a tub. Someone who can't fit in a shower......how did they even get into the bathroom?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 21, 2013, 07:57:13 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 21, 2013, 03:21:32 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/0324638e061305c8040b3269f569008e/tumblr_mrwagjJSt01ryeto5o1_500.png)

What is with thin privilege and showers/tubs? I'm pretty sure this is a huge warning sign when you can't fit in a tub/shower.

She's complaining about having to remodel a "master bathroom" in her "vacation home"? sounds like somebody got some wealthy privilege.

EDIT: fixed typo, putting a bathtub in a master bedroom would be pretty silly, indeed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 21, 2013, 08:00:50 pm
Oddly, that's actually one of the few cases where "check your privilege" can actually be used non-ironically and without guilt.

Actually, most of the people crying 'check your privilege' probably need to spend more time checking theirs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 21, 2013, 08:04:30 pm
Not master bedroom. Master BATHROOM.

I don't think "thousands" are a budgetary issue for her. She's already lost her dignity by complaining that she's so unhealthily obese that she needs to spend extra money remodeling her vacation home.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 21, 2013, 10:43:35 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 21, 2013, 03:21:32 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/0324638e061305c8040b3269f569008e/tumblr_mrwagjJSt01ryeto5o1_500.png)

What is with thin privilege and showers/tubs? I'm pretty sure this is a huge warning sign when you can't fit in a tub/shower.

"Thin privilege is not having to spend extra money on buying a bathtub you’ll fit in."

I had no idea president Taft could blog from beyond the grave.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 22, 2013, 12:14:43 am
Nothing - not even the angel of death - can stop a SJW from rambling and whining on tumblr.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 22, 2013, 01:37:09 am
Yeah, he's Tumbling in his grave.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 22, 2013, 02:53:46 am
I think it is relevant. It is my understanding that a privilege is something that is unearned. Someone is not being an inconsiderate asshole just because they've watched their metabolism, & as a result, they can fit in their fucking bathtubs.

I'm not saying that just anyone can lose weight like nothing, or that fat discrimination does not exist, but I still don't believe there's any such thing as "thin privilege," & if there is, it's definitely not any of this "I have to pay extra/can't fit stuff." This always seems to come down to logistical reasoning, like more difficult things cost more to do, & that at certain points, we can't feasibly design things that accommodate people of a certain size.

It's also significantly more complicated than "fat people are oppressed," because if you say that weight should never be a concern, that's basically an outright lie. You have to balance the idea of body acceptance with the idea of proper weight management, & that's not easy to do. Also, unlike white privilege, or Christian privilege, or male privilege, you can be fucked sideways by being thin, too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 22, 2013, 03:31:25 am
If you've reached the point where you can't actually fit in a regular bathtub or shower, you've gone past being able to say "I have trouble losing weight due to my metabolism." This is now a serious medical problem and you're in desperate need of professional assistance.

That's when you should probably stop talking about thin privilege and start looking for a doctor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on August 22, 2013, 06:03:45 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 22, 2013, 03:31:25 am
If you've reached the point where you can't actually fit in a regular bathtub or shower, you've gone past being able to say "I have trouble losing weight due to my metabolism." This is now a serious medical problem and you're in desperate need of professional assistance.

That's when you should probably stop talking about thin privilege and start looking for a doctor.

I agree, my mom as she got older actually developed one of those thyroid problems that cause physical problems with loosing weight, and she never reached a stage where she didn't fit into anything. She just found that after much effort in loosing weight, nothing was happening and then spoke to a doctor and found the problem, which has since been resolved.

She is still fat, but not for any medical reason anymore. she just chooses to be her current weight. When you are 65 I think you are allowed to not give a damn about your weight and body image.

The whole Metabolic reason why people are fat is just a pathetic excuse. If you have the time to complain about thin privilege, you have the time to do something about being monstrously obese. If you really do have a medical condition see a doctor, get it treated and then deal with being monstrously obese. There really is no excuse. If you are fat, and you are happy being fat, good for you, but you have to accept that it comes with its own set of consequences that you are ultimately responsible for. Not some made up thin privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 22, 2013, 08:35:56 am
Overweight folks are looked down on in most Western societies; seen as lazy, stupid, and likely greedy.  Is it as bad as being thought of as a thief because you're black or a shit-eater because you're gay?  No.  Doesn't mean it doesn't still suck like a two dollar whore.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on August 22, 2013, 09:50:50 am
Quote from: Sylvana on August 22, 2013, 06:03:45 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 22, 2013, 03:31:25 am
If you've reached the point where you can't actually fit in a regular bathtub or shower, you've gone past being able to say "I have trouble losing weight due to my metabolism." This is now a serious medical problem and you're in desperate need of professional assistance.

That's when you should probably stop talking about thin privilege and start looking for a doctor.

I agree, my mom as she got older actually developed one of those thyroid problems that cause physical problems with loosing weight, and she never reached a stage where she didn't fit into anything. She just found that after much effort in loosing weight, nothing was happening and then spoke to a doctor and found the problem, which has since been resolved.

She is still fat, but not for any medical reason anymore. she just chooses to be her current weight. When you are 65 I think you are allowed to not give a damn about your weight and body image.

The whole Metabolic reason why people are fat is just a pathetic excuse. If you have the time to complain about thin privilege, you have the time to do something about being monstrously obese. If you really do have a medical condition see a doctor, get it treated and then deal with being monstrously obese. There really is no excuse. If you are fat, and you are happy being fat, good for you, but you have to accept that it comes with its own set of consequences that you are ultimately responsible for. Not some made up thin privilege.

If a person is in a wheelchair or has other problems with mobility, then there's little they can do when it comes to exercise. That limits their ability to burn extra calories and lose weight, and it's rather unfair to say that they're as responsible for it as someone who's simply lazy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on August 22, 2013, 09:53:26 am
I always feel bad for people in that situation, especially because a lot of people assume that they're no longer mobile because of their weight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 22, 2013, 02:49:24 pm
Quote from: Jack Mann on August 22, 2013, 09:53:26 am
I always feel bad for people in that situation, especially because a lot of people assume that they're no longer mobile because of their weight.

Actually, it seems like most people assume they're no longer mobile because they're lazy and don't want to walk.

Yeah, try carrying something that weighs 400 pounds strapped to your stomach and let's see how well you walk from place to place :/

For the record, I'm basically trying to stop forming an opinion any time I see someone in a wheelchair or in a motorcart.

More so now when Mom ended up having a heart problem that made it so that if she did TOO much work all at once, she could easily DIE, so for a period of time she needed a handicapped tag and needed to use the motorcart sometimes.

Nobody said anything, but we were both constantly paranoid about people staring at her and judging her because, well, she and I happen to be fat.

In case you're wondering, now that she's had some surgery done, she's feeling a LOT better lately.  Still suffering from depression, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 22, 2013, 03:55:10 pm
Quote from: Lithp on August 22, 2013, 02:53:46 am
I think it is relevant. It is my understanding that a privilege is something that is unearned. Someone is not being an inconsiderate asshole just because they've watched their metabolism, & as a result, they can fit in their fucking bathtubs.

I'm not saying that just anyone can lose weight like nothing, or that fat discrimination does not exist, but I still don't believe there's any such thing as "thin privilege," & if there is, it's definitely not any of this "I have to pay extra/can't fit stuff." This always seems to come down to logistical reasoning, like more difficult things cost more to do, & that at certain points, we can't feasibly design things that accommodate people of a certain size.

Being able to fit a standard-sized bathtub is not thin privilege, on that much I agree. But I'd still argue that it's a real thing.

You say that discrimination against fat people exists. By virtue of that fact alone, not experiencing that discrimination is thin privilege, i.e. an unfair societal advantage thin people have over fat people because they are thin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 22, 2013, 05:27:39 pm
From what I understand, privilege (by itself) is a thing that can, indeed be earned.

You have earned the privilege to attend such and such.

I have earned the privilege to eat such and such.

Etc.

Certain forms of privilege (white privilege, cismale privilege, straight privilege) cannot be earned.  In the case of straight privilege, however, it can be bluffed (the practical difference being negligible).  I'm a white cismale who is gay, but most people by the nature of the matter assume that I am a white cismale who is straight.

On the other hand, if I started talking with a lisp, exaggerating my hand movements all of the time, and started going GUUUUURRRLLLL I'd probably lose my straight privilege.  .... But so would a straight man who does that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 22, 2013, 05:36:35 pm
http://stopstarestreak.tumblr.com/post/58780648705/yes-i-am-a-social-justice-warrior-fuck-u-youre-a

Wow. I bet it took her all of ten seconds to come up with that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 22, 2013, 08:29:00 pm
"Not found"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 22, 2013, 08:32:24 pm
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Being able to fit a standard-sized bathtub is not thin privilege, on that much I agree. But I'd still argue that it's a real thing.

You say that discrimination against fat people exists. By virtue of that fact alone, not experiencing that discrimination is thin privilege, i.e. an unfair societal advantage thin people have over fat people because they are thin.

But I also said that you can be discriminated against for being thin, just as easily as you can for being fat. By that token, can you have "fat privilege"? You can see how this quickly starts sounding like a Tumblr "Check your privilege!"/"No, you check YOUR privilege!" thing.

To me, it makes more sense that both are connected to body policing, which doesn't necessarily have an associated "privilege," because everyone has bodies.

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You have earned the privilege to attend such and such.

I have earned the privilege to eat such and such.

Different type of privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 22, 2013, 09:32:31 pm
Quote from: Lithp on August 22, 2013, 08:32:24 pm
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Being able to fit a standard-sized bathtub is not thin privilege, on that much I agree. But I'd still argue that it's a real thing.

You say that discrimination against fat people exists. By virtue of that fact alone, not experiencing that discrimination is thin privilege, i.e. an unfair societal advantage thin people have over fat people because they are thin.

But I also said that you can be discriminated against for being thin, just as easily as you can for being fat. By that token, can you have "fat privilege"? You can see how this quickly starts sounding like a Tumblr "Check your privilege!"/"No, you check YOUR privilege!" thing.

To me, it makes more sense that both are connected to body policing, which doesn't necessarily have an associated "privilege," because everyone has bodies.

I guess, but fat discrimination is far more common than thin discrimination. Or at least so it seems, haven't really done any research on the subject.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 22, 2013, 10:29:41 pm
Eh. I used to be quite skinny and I'm still on the thinner side of average. While I've had the odd person make dumb comments like "Eat a sandwich", especially after I lost a ton of weight thanks to contracting a nasty stomach bug a few years back, I definitely haven't experienced anywhere near as much crap as overweight and obese people seem to get. Granted, I'm just one data point, but I have a hard time believing that I'm an exception to wide-spread thin discrimination.

That being said, there is a ton of hypocrisy in body acceptance movements. Comments about real women having curves and not wanting just "bones for dinner" only serve to reinforce the idea that all people should conform to a limited range of body types in order to be acceptable, which is really the root of the problem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 23, 2013, 01:58:07 am
I don't actually know either, I'm just stating things as I seen it. Something I might arguably consider thin privilege is when someone says, "Just lose weight," not realizing that it's not that easy for some people. But that's more like...metabolic privilege.

So, yeah. It can be argued, but at the moment, I'm just not convinced that it's a meaningful term.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 23, 2013, 06:32:54 am
At this point it's mostly semantics.

As for body types... well, there's fat, there's "thin", then there's anorexic.

...Hm.  What should we use instead of "thin", then?

As far as "thin privilege" goes, I'm "eh" about it.  It doesn't seem to be so much privilege as it is "absence of being targeted by arrogant assholes who justify their insults, taunting, mockery, and bullying under the guise of 'it's a health concern, we're just trying to help.'"

Except not even because I've seen people who qualify as "thin" get mocked for being fat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 23, 2013, 07:05:59 am
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Except not even because I've seen people who qualify as "thin" get mocked for being fat.

Yeah, forgot to mention that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 23, 2013, 10:01:38 am
I'm overweight because of 1) medical problems. I can't walk right now and it's not because of my weight. My right leg doesn't seem to have any proper muscle to it and my brain isn't able to send the proper signals to get my leg to lift. 2) metabolism. Tied into 1 because I can't move very much I can't exercise much at all. I try to do simple things but you'd be surprised how little exercise you can do with only one leg that actually works. 3) depression and stress. A lot of people dismiss out of hand that mental problems can cause you to gain weight. You can also lose weight. In my case, I've gained rather than lost. And I don't even 'eat my feelings'. I eat less when I'm depressed but I still gain weight.

With that said, none of these things have been able to get me to be too big for a tub or shower.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 23, 2013, 04:08:30 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 23, 2013, 10:01:38 am
A lot of people dismiss out of hand that mental problems can cause you to gain weight.

Likewise, many medications taken for mental health issues can causes changes in appetite and weight. Weight gain or loss is one of the most common side effects people experience when they first start taking SSRIs and SNRIs, and it's also associated with a number of anti-psychotics, mood stabilizers, and so on.

When I first started taking Effexor, I had some annoying weight fluctuations and general appetite weirdness. I recall having zero appetite and losing an entire dress size over the first few weeks, then suddenly feeling like I was constantly starving and gaining back the weight I'd lost plus an additional dress size, then going back to having no appetite, etc. before things finally stabilized and I returned to my normal size.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on August 23, 2013, 08:51:23 pm
Mentioning penetration of any kind is rape. (http://liesthepatriarchytoldme.tumblr.com/post/59096827781/the-patriarchy-told-my-economics-professor-its)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 24, 2013, 04:49:10 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/0975ff079bd92c8c664a01e8dbe2d582/tumblr_mrwzciRTC21ryeto5o1_500.png)

Yeah, no. While there's some wiggle room for cultural differences when it comes to older teenagers, child marriages don't magically become any less abusive and traumatic just because they're the norm in another culture.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 24, 2013, 04:11:54 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 22, 2013, 03:31:25 am
If you've reached the point where you can't actually fit in a regular bathtub or shower, you've gone past being able to say "I have trouble losing weight due to my metabolism." This is now a serious medical problem and you're in desperate need of professional assistance.

That's when you should probably stop talking about thin privilege and start looking for a doctor.

According to TITP doctors are fat shamers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 24, 2013, 07:01:55 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 24, 2013, 04:11:54 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 22, 2013, 03:31:25 am
If you've reached the point where you can't actually fit in a regular bathtub or shower, you've gone past being able to say "I have trouble losing weight due to my metabolism." This is now a serious medical problem and you're in desperate need of professional assistance.

That's when you should probably stop talking about thin privilege and start looking for a doctor.

According to TITP doctors are fat shamers.

I really hate to play Devil's Advocate here but some doctors really do believe that losing weight will cure you of certain problems.

My own doctor said 'lose about fifty pounds and your back won't hurt anymore'. Anyone care to guess why that wouldn't magically fix anything? Answer: I have scoliosis and spina bifida. Pain in the back is common no matter a person's weight for those afflictions. Yet this one doctor was really, really convinced weight loss was the key to getting rid of all my pain.

Try again, doc. And I have lost weight and guess what? The pain is still as bad as it was. If anything, I think it's actually worse. And all the doctor did was make me depressed over my weight and not being able to lose that magical fifty pound number.

But no, not all doctors are like that. But there are some who are as convinced that losing weight will cure all your ills as conspiracy theorists are convinced 9/11 was an inside job.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 24, 2013, 09:27:15 pm
My mom's doctor wanted her to lose 14 pounds in one month.  The nurses quickly convinced him that this was an unreasonable number.

As it is, mom's having a hard enough time losing weight, even when eating around 1000 calories per day, avoiding as much sodium and sugar as is healthy, and exercising each day for a combined hour.  She's actually GAINING weight, too, and it doesn't seem to be muscle weight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 24, 2013, 09:46:57 pm
One of the major problems I have with TITP is that it is poorly moderated which makes it easy to troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 24, 2013, 09:48:08 pm
My mother was continuously gaining weight no matter how much she ate or exercised up until the fall of 2010, when she was suddenly hospitalized.

Turns out she had undiagnosed pancreatitis due to gallstones, which remained undiagnosed for ages because it required a specific scan to detect and the doctors never figured that it would be worth anything because none of their other scans could find proof that something was wrong. All that weight she was gaining? It was fluid buildup.

Also, she ended up going through surgery with a 20% chance of survival thanks to how far along the illness had progressed without treatment.

Zach, you may want your mother to get checked out. Gaining weight for no reason is never a good sign.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 24, 2013, 09:49:34 pm
My mother doesn't have a gallbladder because it's been removed a long time ago.  As far as fluid build-up goes, that's already a concern due to her heart, so she already limits how much fluid she intakes.

That being said, she goes to rehab three times a week, talks about it with the nurses, and they say that this is just part of the process, so maybe everything's fine.  Dunno.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 24, 2013, 09:51:29 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 24, 2013, 09:49:34 pm
My mother doesn't have a gallbladder because it's been removed a long time ago.

That being said, she goes to rehab three times a week, talks about it with the nurses, and they say that this is just part of the process, so maybe everything's fine.  Dunno.

I would still take the benefit of the doubt and recommend that she be checked more thoroughly. Again, all it may take is one specific procedure to find out that something's terribly wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 24, 2013, 09:54:15 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 24, 2013, 09:51:29 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 24, 2013, 09:49:34 pm
My mother doesn't have a gallbladder because it's been removed a long time ago.

That being said, she goes to rehab three times a week, talks about it with the nurses, and they say that this is just part of the process, so maybe everything's fine.  Dunno.

I would still take the benefit of the doubt and recommend that she be checked more thoroughly. Again, all it may take is one specific procedure to find out that something's terribly wrong.

I appreciate your concern, but I didn't post about it so that people on the internet could diagnose her from afar.  I posted about it because I'm venting, for her sake, about how frustrating it is to try to lose weight only to gain it.  And it's not a steady increase, sometimes it goes down, too.

She's being monitored, I'm putting my faith in the doctor since he seems to actually be competent, just a little unsure of how easy it is to lose weight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on August 26, 2013, 09:29:53 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 24, 2013, 07:01:55 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 24, 2013, 04:11:54 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 22, 2013, 03:31:25 am
If you've reached the point where you can't actually fit in a regular bathtub or shower, you've gone past being able to say "I have trouble losing weight due to my metabolism." This is now a serious medical problem and you're in desperate need of professional assistance.

That's when you should probably stop talking about thin privilege and start looking for a doctor.

According to TITP doctors are fat shamers.

I really hate to play Devil's Advocate here but some doctors really do believe that losing weight will cure you of certain problems.

My own doctor said 'lose about fifty pounds and your back won't hurt anymore'. Anyone care to guess why that wouldn't magically fix anything? Answer: I have scoliosis and spina bifida. Pain in the back is common no matter a person's weight for those afflictions. Yet this one doctor was really, really convinced weight loss was the key to getting rid of all my pain.

Try again, doc. And I have lost weight and guess what? The pain is still as bad as it was. If anything, I think it's actually worse. And all the doctor did was make me depressed over my weight and not being able to lose that magical fifty pound number.

But no, not all doctors are like that. But there are some who are as convinced that losing weight will cure all your ills as conspiracy theorists are convinced 9/11 was an inside job.

Yeah, I would have said, to his face, "How the FUCK am I supposed to lose 50 lb with scoliosis, spina bifida, and a non-functioning leg?  The Adipose critters from Doctor Who aren't real, you know."

Also, my heart goes out to Zachski's mom.  :(  Trying to lose weight when your body won't let you does NOT sound like my idea of a good time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 26, 2013, 01:42:52 pm
Ahaha I totally should have said that. Also, because I tend to fall a lot thanks to said non-functioning leg, having fat on certain parts of my body is a good thing to cushion those falls. So... yeah. My pain doctor always asks me if I've fallen because it can cause more pain if I fall in a certain position.

And yeah, I can't imagine being in Zach's mum's position.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 26, 2013, 02:03:29 pm
I think this is maybe semi-relevant to the discussion? (http://www.nbcnews.com/health/fat-shaming-actually-increases-risk-becoming-or-staying-obese-new-8C10751491)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 26, 2013, 02:27:30 pm
(http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2011-10-05.gif)

Your typical argument with a SJW.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 26, 2013, 02:33:21 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on August 26, 2013, 02:03:29 pm
I think this is maybe semi-relevant to the discussion? (http://www.nbcnews.com/health/fat-shaming-actually-increases-risk-becoming-or-staying-obese-new-8C10751491)

Not at all surprising; comfort eating is, I'm sure, quite common in the depressed, and many (if not most or all) targets of fat shaming have proper, clinical depression because of it.  Fuck, its probably one of the sources of MY depression.  And intense, furious hatred for bullies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 26, 2013, 02:51:17 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 26, 2013, 02:27:30 pm
(http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2011-10-05.gif)

Your typical argument with a SJW.

Looking at the name of the author, I'm pretty sure this is Sinfest.

So I can't tell if we're supposed to be sympathizing with the kid who's facing a wall of words, or the girl for being a "brave feminist."

Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 26, 2013, 02:33:21 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on August 26, 2013, 02:03:29 pm
I think this is maybe semi-relevant to the discussion? (http://www.nbcnews.com/health/fat-shaming-actually-increases-risk-becoming-or-staying-obese-new-8C10751491)

Not at all surprising; comfort eating is, I'm sure, quite common in the depressed, and many (if not most or all) targets of fat shaming have proper, clinical depression because of it.  Fuck, its probably one of the sources of MY depression.  And intense, furious hatred for bullies.

...Oddly, same for me, even though I've never been personally bullied for it.

Just the fact that it happens to other people who are fat (and especially the people who aren't nearly as fat as I am, or who aren't even fat at all) makes me depressed and pissed at bullies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 26, 2013, 04:56:49 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 26, 2013, 02:51:17 pm
Looking at the name of the author, I'm pretty sure this is Sinfest.

So I can't tell if we're supposed to be sympathizing with the kid who's facing a wall of words, or the girl for being a "brave feminist."

Yeah, it's Sinfest.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 26, 2013, 07:40:43 pm
I knew it was pretentious crap, but I didn't realize just how pretentious crap it is.  Wow.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 26, 2013, 08:29:19 pm
Personally, I think the idea of "women's only spaces" is ridiculous. Besides the fact that it's very anti-trans, it seems to perpetrate this idea that women are always kind and respectful to all members of their gender. Which is wrong. Along with the idea that it's only men who are sexist fetishists porn watching pigs, which is also wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 26, 2013, 09:30:13 pm
Depends on the women's only spaces. Some of them are meant to protect battered women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 26, 2013, 09:45:19 pm
Honestly, I seen nothing wrong with the race one. It's got a point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 26, 2013, 09:54:22 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/6641ab40e5e18c34e74480f79fa887b5/tumblr_mqnze4qxxH1qf88n6o1_1280.png)

Tumblr is amazing.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on August 26, 2013, 09:58:08 pm
Hey, it's rapbattler!  I follow him (though admittedly I've been thinking of unfollowing for various reasons).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 26, 2013, 11:27:58 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 26, 2013, 09:30:13 pm
Depends on the women's only spaces. Some of them are meant to protect battered women.

Yeah, keeping spaces gender-specific for abuse shelters or abuse/rape survivor groups makes sense. This goes for both female and male groups.

When my mom, brother and I were staying in a women's shelter when I was a kid, all visitors had to check in at the front desk, but adult males (male children were, of course, allowed to move in with their mothers) had to go through extra checks and whatnot before coming onto the premises as an extra security measure to protect the women/child living there from their abusive exes.

Of course, a bunch of people whine about this kind of stuff, but really, when one of the major at-risk groups among women for being assaulted or murdered are women who are in the process of leaving an abusive partner, protecting them from that kind of harm kind of takes precedence over upholding some vague gender-equality principle.

Mind you, it does get complicated when you factor in lesbians who are escaping an abusive partner. Likewise, for theoretical male shelters (which I'd have zero problem with), being that male-on-male domestic violence seems to be more common than female-on-male. Unfortunately, I don't have a perfect solution, and I doubt anyone does.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on August 27, 2013, 12:52:15 am
Male on male abuse is messier than giving non-toxic finger paint to a toddler, thanks a lot to internal and external problem. There is the societal expectation that men can never be a victim, that if you are a victim you must be "weak". Then you internalize the problem and start thinking it was your fault for not being "manly" enough. And unfortunately gay men's culture internalized a lot of that. Then on top of that, the common toxic relationship aspect compounds on it like "well maybe he didn't mean it" and the oh so common "he'll change". For gay men, too, there is the fear that your sexuality contributed to your abuse and that you're proving the bigots right. So tying this to what Mlle posted, I feel gender and sexuality exclusive space should be used for things like abuse shelter. You need the space to properly address the challenges that certain groups space because they're not going to be the same and the experience isn't going to be the same.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jack Mann on August 27, 2013, 01:59:26 am
There's a sense of self-flagellation in Sinfest these days.  I think a lot of it comes from Tatsuya looking back at his early work, and realizing how misogynistic and racist he was at times.  I think the issue now is that he's gotten so focused on "making up" for his previous work, that it's no longer focused on being entertaining.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 27, 2013, 12:09:21 pm
So basically like a born again Christian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 27, 2013, 07:07:11 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 27, 2013, 12:09:21 pm
So basically like a born again Christian.

The single best, and simplest, analogy of a SJW I've ever seen.  Cookie points to you, my friend!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 27, 2013, 07:15:12 pm
Heh. Thanks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on August 27, 2013, 08:48:57 pm
I'm kinda sad Sinfest has gone all hyper-feminist, since I thought it looked really good and was going to get around to reading it at some point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 27, 2013, 10:49:31 pm
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on August 27, 2013, 08:48:57 pm
I'm kinda sad Sinfest has gone all hyper-feminist, since I thought it looked really good and was going to get around to reading it at some point.

don't let the hype get to you. read the (huge) archive and make up your own idea. i haven't read it in 6 weeks (huge for a daily) but when i stopped reading it due to schedule conflict it only started to lay it on thick, and at times i was thinkin' either poe's law or a really convoluted metaphor. and besides, so what if ishida soapboxes? he's the writer, no need to hate. kind of the same reason i don't like people tackling mookie about dominic deegan. don't like it, don't read it. simple, no need to envenom anything  :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 28, 2013, 12:14:19 am
"Don't like it, don't read it" is a cop-out. He's not immune to criticism from those who dislike him or his work. Nobody is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 28, 2013, 12:48:28 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 28, 2013, 12:14:19 am
"Don't like it, don't read it" is a cop-out. He's not immune to criticism from those who dislike him or his work. Nobody is.
That said, if you keep up with it to keep complaining, you're just doing it to complain. Make your points and move on, not dwell and become a faithful reader just to rage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 28, 2013, 05:41:04 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 28, 2013, 12:14:19 am
"Don't like it, don't read it" is a cop-out. He's not immune to criticism from those who dislike him or his work. Nobody is.

 constructive criticism, sure. did you see the raging hate-on some people have for tim buckley of ctrl-alt-del or jeph jacques of questionable content? saying tatsuya ishida should roll back the apologetic attitude about his past work because it's layered on too thick and it costs his comic its cheery humor is constructive. calling jacques an idiot because he cut his drawing hand and he should never have healed is ad-hominem criticism and is not ok in my book.

at least that is my viewpoint. i try and hold views to the work, not to the person, and if the person makes the comic not to my taste anymore, i'll try and explain it before stopping reading the thing. artists progress faster when you give criticism for the reason you don't like it anymore, and they'll just get bitter if it boils down to "u fag lol go kill urself". you'll also lose credibility, or worse, sound like a middle-schooler on the web.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 28, 2013, 02:53:39 pm
Collegehumor puts up an article about sideboobs, links to angry ranty article (http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6910934/15-hottest-sideboobs-at-the-vmas)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 28, 2013, 03:04:24 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on August 28, 2013, 02:53:39 pm
Collegehumor puts up an article about sideboobs, links to angry ranty article (http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6910934/15-hottest-sideboobs-at-the-vmas)
I actually thought that was pretty funny and awesome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 28, 2013, 03:24:38 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 28, 2013, 03:04:24 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on August 28, 2013, 02:53:39 pm
Collegehumor puts up an article about sideboobs, links to angry ranty article (http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6910934/15-hottest-sideboobs-at-the-vmas)
I actually thought that was pretty funny and awesome.

Eh, I thought it was trying to hard, came off as pretentious.

Not sure where to post this, but somebody did some internet detective work on Anita Sarkeesian and turns out she's been involved in some peculiar shit (http://special-snowflake-hall-of-fame.tumblr.com/post/59592241068)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 28, 2013, 04:22:39 pm
From tumblr user firefly-in-the-dark:

First she says that only Jews should be allowed to post in the anti-Semitism tag:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/6da013edbc12813e61e46f91197b84ff/tumblr_mrrsklR5OF1qav7bjo1_500.png)

A few hours later:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/d00876c901344c3f5929035f349e70b2/tumblr_mrrsklR5OF1qav7bjo2_500.png)

(No, she's not Muslim.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 28, 2013, 06:25:53 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on August 28, 2013, 03:24:38 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 28, 2013, 03:04:24 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on August 28, 2013, 02:53:39 pm
Collegehumor puts up an article about sideboobs, links to angry ranty article (http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6910934/15-hottest-sideboobs-at-the-vmas)
I actually thought that was pretty funny and awesome.

Eh, I thought it was trying to hard, came off as pretentious.

Not sure where to post this, but somebody did some internet detective work on Anita Sarkeesian and turns out she's been involved in some peculiar shit (http://special-snowflake-hall-of-fame.tumblr.com/post/59592241068)
Holy fucking shit that's disturbing. Sorry, no. Who the fuck goes through that much work to stalk through the life of someone because they disagree on the internet? That's just fucking creepy. The poster stalked down her mom. That's just wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 28, 2013, 06:30:13 pm
Isn't doxing great?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 28, 2013, 06:59:23 pm
Yeah, what the fuck. I think it's fine to disagree with Anita Sarkeesian, but not because you've stalked her and posted her personal and family information on the internet. And some of the "conclusions" were just ridiculous - she eats nice food, therefore she's a rich brat who comes from money?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 28, 2013, 07:02:06 pm
I eat nice food once in a while, I must be super rich!!!!!1one!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 28, 2013, 07:05:05 pm
Same. I mean, it's one thing to not hide a name when someone says something stupid. I don't care about that, because they said it, they should own up to their words. It's another thing when you stalk the ever loving shit out of someone. I can understand why people get paranoid, when that bullshit happens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 28, 2013, 07:15:53 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on August 28, 2013, 03:24:38 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 28, 2013, 03:04:24 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on August 28, 2013, 02:53:39 pm
Collegehumor puts up an article about sideboobs, links to angry ranty article (http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6910934/15-hottest-sideboobs-at-the-vmas)
I actually thought that was pretty funny and awesome.

Eh, I thought it was trying to hard, came off as pretentious.

Not sure where to post this, but somebody did some internet detective work on Anita Sarkeesian and turns out she's been involved in some peculiar shit (http://special-snowflake-hall-of-fame.tumblr.com/post/59592241068)

Which matters a fuck load of naught, really.

Seriously, you don't even need to listen to Anita's arguments to know that she has a point.  Just look at the people attacking her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on August 28, 2013, 08:43:04 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 28, 2013, 06:25:53 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on August 28, 2013, 03:24:38 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 28, 2013, 03:04:24 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on August 28, 2013, 02:53:39 pm
Collegehumor puts up an article about sideboobs, links to angry ranty article (http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6910934/15-hottest-sideboobs-at-the-vmas)
I actually thought that was pretty funny and awesome.

Eh, I thought it was trying to hard, came off as pretentious.

Not sure where to post this, but somebody did some internet detective work on Anita Sarkeesian and turns out she's been involved in some peculiar shit (http://special-snowflake-hall-of-fame.tumblr.com/post/59592241068)
Holy fucking shit that's disturbing. Sorry, no. Who the fuck goes through that much work to stalk through the life of someone because they disagree on the internet? That's just fucking creepy. The poster stalked down her mom. That's just wrong.

I've had that happen. I was getting blamed for posts on an anon LJ group. Some of the posters were so sure it was me (it wasn't) that they stalked my WoW account, a facebook account they thought was mine (it wasn't), and my LJ to try and match anon postings to known times I was online.

People take things super cereal online.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 28, 2013, 08:46:55 pm
Glad that's never happened to me. Last I checked I had eight or so different names online, also.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 28, 2013, 08:50:28 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/585d1afa1103084ec4c274336040b6b8/tumblr_moed5l5KqY1ryeto5o1_500.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/53ab3188b3066ad2ac45c10dccb44592/tumblr_motlg4p8II1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/4c220bbffc79ee01af32735ac6472340/tumblr_ms4ggqo2xO1ryeto5o1_250.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 28, 2013, 11:34:59 pm
I think that last one, PHH, should be revised to: "If you think ganguro is empowering, then you're an idiot."

Also, yeah, I'm totally a violent cracker.  I go around beating black people with brass knuckles for shits and giggles, I piss on Native burial mounds, and drop a steamer on any taco stands I may come across.  I use high-powered lasers (fueled by WHITE PRIVILEGE) to carve satanic and anti-Semitic messages on to the sides of synagogues, churches, and mosques.  I'm worse than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-Il and son, Satan, AND the Joker put together.  ALL HAIL THE ULTRACRACKER!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 29, 2013, 01:05:25 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/45c5c0ece26aa1712240857e1eff9fdd/tumblr_msa0myQ3ND1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Um. A lot of people are sensitive to criticism. You don't need a mental disorder for that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 29, 2013, 04:31:56 am
Fuck, I'm sensitive to criticism, in the sense of "going to cry in the corner", but that's my problem.  Not the critic's problems.

Unless the critics are being self-absorbed hypocritical asshats.  Then I just tank the criticism and make them dig their own graves.  Like a boss.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 29, 2013, 06:08:52 am
(http://i.imgur.com/6eIt7AP.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on August 29, 2013, 06:18:50 am
Ow. That one hurt
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 30, 2013, 08:02:36 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on August 29, 2013, 06:08:52 am
(http://i.imgur.com/6eIt7AP.jpg)

Oh for the love of--

There have been talks of combining the two words of clit and dick but I am really not going down that route. Just call it whatever you want but don't force it on others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 30, 2013, 09:17:19 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 30, 2013, 08:02:36 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on August 29, 2013, 06:08:52 am
(http://i.imgur.com/6eIt7AP.jpg)

Oh for the love of--

There have been talks of combining the two words of clit and dick but I am really not going down that route. Just call it whatever you want but don't force it on others.

i think "genitals" is the word they're looking for... no need to get all newspeak about it, right? layman's terms help get a message across more than an incomprehensible jargon. (also, i've a hell of a lot of trouble getting the lgbt jargon down, don't know why)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 30, 2013, 09:20:47 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/745c820b978ba248ea56b810ca1c0b2c/tumblr_mqifo5t8jj1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Some of these are legit triggers. Some of these are... not.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/79d9a3d0bfdaf968006a080b4f86d683/tumblr_mrrcnxkM9l1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1259c49bc30b558b834dfe751de7f99a/tumblr_mqifcp0F351ryeto5o1_500.png)
You can want to fuck someone for reasons other than wanting to fuck them. Fuck it, it's too early in the morning for that level of fucknugget.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on August 30, 2013, 12:53:16 pm
My (caucasian) brother had a friend who was biracial when he was in high school. He called this kid "white boy" and the kid called him "nigger lover". Want to guess which one of them got in more trouble for the nicknames? (Hint: not the person using the more offensive word)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on August 30, 2013, 02:28:20 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 30, 2013, 09:20:47 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1259c49bc30b558b834dfe751de7f99a/tumblr_mqifcp0F351ryeto5o1_500.png)
You can want to fuck someone for reasons other than wanting to fuck them. Fuck it, it's too early in the morning for that level of fucknugget.

That sounds reasonable to me. Some folks don't particularly want sex, but still do it to please their partner.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 30, 2013, 02:32:47 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on August 30, 2013, 02:28:20 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 30, 2013, 09:20:47 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1259c49bc30b558b834dfe751de7f99a/tumblr_mqifcp0F351ryeto5o1_500.png)
You can want to fuck someone for reasons other than wanting to fuck them. Fuck it, it's too early in the morning for that level of fucknugget.

That sounds reasonable to me. Some folks don't particularly want sex, but still do it to please their partner.
That still means that they don't want it, they just do it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on August 30, 2013, 02:49:11 pm
No, you can want to have sex because you enjoy pleasing your partner. My original post was poorly worded.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 30, 2013, 03:01:29 pm
It's like wanting to go see a movie with someone you love, even though you don't really care about the movie.  You go because your loved one DOES care about the movie and wants to see it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 30, 2013, 04:12:28 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 30, 2013, 03:01:29 pm
It's like wanting to go see a movie with someone you love, even though you don't really care about the movie.  You go because your loved one DOES care about the movie and wants to see it.

Is it like Twilight where the asexual person spends the whole time just mocking everything?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on August 30, 2013, 04:15:18 pm
This thread needs moar Riley.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/7649431bd08137de54ad85356b0baa72/tumblr_mqh4prTXKB1sw9j96o1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 30, 2013, 04:17:21 pm
BITCHESSSSS
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 30, 2013, 04:46:20 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 30, 2013, 04:17:21 pm
BITCHESSSSS

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/142/456/NICE%20HOUSE%20YOU%20HAVE%20NEEDS%20MORE%20HOLES.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 30, 2013, 04:56:49 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 30, 2013, 04:12:28 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 30, 2013, 03:01:29 pm
It's like wanting to go see a movie with someone you love, even though you don't really care about the movie.  You go because your loved one DOES care about the movie and wants to see it.

Is it like Twilight where the asexual person spends the whole time just mocking everything?

Depends on if the non-asexual went for the same reason.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 30, 2013, 05:43:41 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 30, 2013, 04:46:20 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 30, 2013, 04:17:21 pm
BITCHESSSSS

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/142/456/NICE%20HOUSE%20YOU%20HAVE%20NEEDS%20MORE%20HOLES.png)

so THAT'S what that bastard says everytime! and i thought he wanted hugs! makes me glad to drown the blasteding thing!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on August 30, 2013, 08:35:40 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on August 30, 2013, 09:20:47 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/745c820b978ba248ea56b810ca1c0b2c/tumblr_mqifo5t8jj1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Let's see:

1. I have no idea how anyone could find the Pale Man triggering. Yeah, it was kind creepy looking, but all it did was waddle around like a drunk old man.

2. What exactly do these trigger? Anger? Fear? PTSD? The memetic virus implanted in your mind to make your head explode?

I'm also gonna take a guess and say that their definition of pro-ana propaganda is less things that idolize toothpicks and more anything that doesn't include overweight people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 30, 2013, 11:48:01 pm
There's an unfortunate amount of people who claim to be "triggered" when they aren't actually triggering anything. It's more like annoyance or it just brings up an unpleasant memory, but it's not like a girl I know who suffers from bulimia and self-harms and can be triggered to these behaviors if it reminds her of her extremely negative self-image.

I mentioned this a while ago, but frivolously claiming to be "triggered" by something or putting up "trigger warnings" for benign stuff ends up making things more difficult for people with actual problems. It becomes harder to separate the proverbial wheat from the chaff, and might encourage people who deal with a lot of whiny idiots to ignore someone's real issues.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on August 30, 2013, 11:58:22 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on August 30, 2013, 02:49:11 pm
No, you can want to have sex because you enjoy pleasing your partner. My original post was poorly worded.

Agreed. And we've had this discussion like 10 times now. At this point, I think anyone still harking on the "hurr durr, asexuals kan nevr bone" meme is intentionally being dense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on August 31, 2013, 05:12:22 am
I think this one was a semantics thing. As I noted the first time that was posted, it really changes depending on how you interpret the meaning of "want sex." If "wanting" is simply "choosing to do it," then it makes sense. If "wanting," is "having sexuality, possibly hypersexuality," well, then, that's pretty self-explanatory.

Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 30, 2013, 12:53:16 pm
My (caucasian) brother had a friend who was biracial when he was in high school. He called this kid "white boy" and the kid called him "nigger lover". Want to guess which one of them got in more trouble for the nicknames? (Hint: not the person using the more offensive word)

I do not understand what happened in this story or "Riley" at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 31, 2013, 07:25:21 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 30, 2013, 11:48:01 pm
There's an unfortunate amount of people who claim to be "triggered" when they aren't actually triggering anything. It's more like annoyance or it just brings up an unpleasant memory, but it's not like a girl I know who suffers from bulimia and self-harms and can be triggered to these behaviors if it reminds her of her extremely negative self-image.

I mentioned this a while ago, but frivolously claiming to be "triggered" by something or putting up "trigger warnings" for benign stuff ends up making things more difficult for people with actual problems. It becomes harder to separate the proverbial wheat from the chaff, and might encourage people who deal with a lot of whiny idiots to ignore someone's real issues.

i find this very true, and unfortunately i find it links directly to the political-correctness-gone-mad of our current world. if i want to call a jew who acts like a bigot a "bigoted jew" (real imaginative, right there), i'll be nailed with antisemitism. if i want to call a girl who's acting like a scumbag a sad excuse for a girl, boom! misogyny, right there! well, i'm sorry but some people do act like raging douchecanoes and i will call them out on it.

this happened when i denied a guy service in my university lounge because he was a) visibly drunk and b) belligerent to my staff. the first one i don't care if you can keep yourself in check. the second is a "trigger" for me (it induces a black rage* that is tough to keep in check, and only happens in few circumstances). he made it the cochran defense "it's because i'm black isn't it? racist!" if you know me, i like to shock or at least shake up people's views because it's fun. i am not nor will i ever be prejudiced against anyone (but i am scared of girls, but hey, that's a work in progress). i told him in no incertain terms how i didn't care if his skin color was different, but because we are the same species, his attitude gave humans a bad name. i shamed him to the point of him trying to leave through security that a teammate had called up.

if i call you out on your idiotic behavior, it's not because you're black, white, a girl, a homo, a trans, a guy, it's because you're acting like an idiot. the world is big enough to have both paragons of goodness and evil in any group, i won't insult anyone based on anything but their personnal attitude.

just like here, if i ever have to call out anyone, it'll be because of their actions, not because of who/what they are/fit in which category.

*regarding my trigger, it boils down to self-loathing and finding myself in similar situations where i wasn't able to cope the first time around and got hurt quite badly. i relive the shame i felt, and i get very angry, which boils down to me usually leaving for 5 minutes to cool off. it's not pleasant, i don't get nightmares from the newest incident (but still the original one), and that's that. i am pretty hot-headed by nature, but it's something i don't like about myself, so i keep it under wraps because frankly, i don't like being angry. i meditate, think about it, try and be stoicist (the philosophical current) about it. much better for everyone.

[/rant] thanks for "listening"/reading
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on August 31, 2013, 08:21:27 am
Quote from: Lithp on August 31, 2013, 05:12:22 am
I think this one was a semantics thing. As I noted the first time that was posted, it really changes depending on how you interpret the meaning of "want sex." If "wanting" is simply "choosing to do it," then it makes sense. If "wanting," is "having sexuality, possibly hypersexuality," well, then, that's pretty self-explanatory.

Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 30, 2013, 12:53:16 pm
My (caucasian) brother had a friend who was biracial when he was in high school. He called this kid "white boy" and the kid called him "nigger lover". Want to guess which one of them got in more trouble for the nicknames? (Hint: not the person using the more offensive word)

I do not understand what happened in this story or "Riley" at all.
Yeah, that's much what I was saying. They can have sex, but they're having sex to make their partner happy. They do not want the sex, they want the happy partner. If they're asexual, the sex doesn't matter. They're doing it for the partner. Sure, they might want to do it to make the partner happy, but the sex is not important. If they could replace the sex with something else and have an equally happy partner, they wouldn't care. Meanwhile, a non-asexual would care about replacing the sex because they want sex too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on August 31, 2013, 10:59:46 am
Quote from: Lithp on August 31, 2013, 05:12:22 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on August 30, 2013, 12:53:16 pm
My (caucasian) brother had a friend who was biracial when he was in high school. He called this kid "white boy" and the kid called him "nigger lover". Want to guess which one of them got in more trouble for the nicknames? (Hint: not the person using the more offensive word)

I do not understand what happened in this story or "Riley" at all.

Riley?

Political correctness gone mad. My brother was yelled at by the teachers, even sent to detention, for calling his biracial friend "white boy." The teachers knew they were friends and were aware it was an inside joke. They yelled at my brother because it made other (read: white) people uncomfortable. Sean (the friend) thought it was fine. In turn, Sean was reprimanded a grand total of once for using "nigger lover" because "Well, he's black. He's allowed to use that word."

Clearer?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on August 31, 2013, 06:02:55 pm
There's not enough rape apology here.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/7517c8e6264c2130a77c3aaed888a21c/tumblr_mscskpBp461ryeto5o1_1280.png)

There we go: disgust levels returning to normal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on August 31, 2013, 06:58:01 pm
Quote from: Guizonde on August 31, 2013, 07:25:21 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 30, 2013, 11:48:01 pm
There's an unfortunate amount of people who claim to be "triggered" when they aren't actually triggering anything. It's more like annoyance or it just brings up an unpleasant memory, but it's not like a girl I know who suffers from bulimia and self-harms and can be triggered to these behaviors if it reminds her of her extremely negative self-image.

I mentioned this a while ago, but frivolously claiming to be "triggered" by something or putting up "trigger warnings" for benign stuff ends up making things more difficult for people with actual problems. It becomes harder to separate the proverbial wheat from the chaff, and might encourage people who deal with a lot of whiny idiots to ignore someone's real issues.

i find this very true, and unfortunately i find it links directly to the political-correctness-gone-mad of our current world. if i want to call a jew who acts like a bigot a "bigoted jew" (real imaginative, right there), i'll be nailed with antisemitism. if i want to call a girl who's acting like a scumbag a sad excuse for a girl, boom! misogyny, right there! well, i'm sorry but some people do act like raging douchecanoes and i will call them out on it.

this happened when i denied a guy service in my university lounge because he was a) visibly drunk and b) belligerent to my staff. the first one i don't care if you can keep yourself in check. the second is a "trigger" for me (it induces a black rage* that is tough to keep in check, and only happens in few circumstances). he made it the cochran defense "it's because i'm black isn't it? racist!" if you know me, i like to shock or at least shake up people's views because it's fun. i am not nor will i ever be prejudiced against anyone (but i am scared of girls, but hey, that's a work in progress). i told him in no incertain terms how i didn't care if his skin color was different, but because we are the same species, his attitude gave humans a bad name. i shamed him to the point of him trying to leave through security that a teammate had called up.

if i call you out on your idiotic behavior, it's not because you're black, white, a girl, a homo, a trans, a guy, it's because you're acting like an idiot. the world is big enough to have both paragons of goodness and evil in any group, i won't insult anyone based on anything but their personnal attitude.

just like here, if i ever have to call out anyone, it'll be because of their actions, not because of who/what they are/fit in which category.

*regarding my trigger, it boils down to self-loathing and finding myself in similar situations where i wasn't able to cope the first time around and got hurt quite badly. i relive the shame i felt, and i get very angry, which boils down to me usually leaving for 5 minutes to cool off. it's not pleasant, i don't get nightmares from the newest incident (but still the original one), and that's that. i am pretty hot-headed by nature, but it's something i don't like about myself, so i keep it under wraps because frankly, i don't like being angry. i meditate, think about it, try and be stoicist (the philosophical current) about it. much better for everyone.

[/rant] thanks for "listening"/reading

I'm pretty sure the problem is when you don't just call to attention someone's personality, but also what they are. That's the problem. You can call someone a bigot without bringing in their ethnicity or religion or genitals.

Also what you described isn't a trigger in the sense that it is usually used and with which people are referring when they say they're triggered. What you described is what is experienced by a good portion of the population to the point where calling yourself triggered loses just as much meaning as someone saying they were triggered by the oak tree outside.

As for the erection=consent. Sounds like a pretty good argument used to say men aren't raped. A+ OP.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 31, 2013, 11:13:33 pm
Quote from: Damen on August 31, 2013, 06:02:55 pm
There's not enough rape apology here.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/7517c8e6264c2130a77c3aaed888a21c/tumblr_mscskpBp461ryeto5o1_1280.png)

There we go: disgust levels returning to normal.

Of all the stupid candidates for proxies for consent, an involuntary physiological reaction ranks amongst the stupidest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Valerius on August 31, 2013, 11:47:14 pm
Quote from: Damen on August 31, 2013, 06:02:55 pm
There's not enough rape apology here.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/7517c8e6264c2130a77c3aaed888a21c/tumblr_mscskpBp461ryeto5o1_1280.png)

There we go: disgust levels returning to normal.

Because everyone knows that when you're physically aroused, you're automatically mentally aroused as well, and it's impossible for your mind and body to be in disagreement. Oh wait...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on September 01, 2013, 12:28:15 am
What the fuck is morning wood?

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Political correctness gone mad. My brother was yelled at by the teachers, even sent to detention, for calling his biracial friend "white boy." The teachers knew they were friends and were aware it was an inside joke. They yelled at my brother because it made other (read: white) people uncomfortable. Sean (the friend) thought it was fine. In turn, Sean was reprimanded a grand total of once for using "nigger lover" because "Well, he's black. He's allowed to use that word."

Yes, & at the same time, no. What a strange thing to consider a slur.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on September 01, 2013, 01:09:31 am
Quote from: Lithp on September 01, 2013, 12:28:15 am
What the fuck is morning wood?

Waking up with an erect penis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 01, 2013, 01:16:53 am
If an erection equals consent, then so does a wet vagina.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on September 01, 2013, 01:17:38 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 01, 2013, 01:16:53 am
If an erection equals consent, then so does a wet vagina.

Ew
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 01, 2013, 02:11:53 am
Quote from: Damen on August 31, 2013, 06:02:55 pm
There's not enough rape apology here.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/7517c8e6264c2130a77c3aaed888a21c/tumblr_mscskpBp461ryeto5o1_1280.png)

There we go: disgust levels returning to normal.

Jesus fucking christ. Dear rape apologist, please do people everywhere a favor and never say this again, mkay?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 01, 2013, 05:40:55 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 31, 2013, 11:13:33 pm
Quote from: Damen on August 31, 2013, 06:02:55 pm
There's not enough rape apology here.

*image*

There we go: disgust levels returning to normal.

Of all the stupid candidates for proxies for consent, an involuntary physiological reaction ranks amongst the stupidest.

So when a man gets raped, his body has a way of shutting that whole thing down?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 01, 2013, 05:51:20 am
Cross-posting for shitty social justice!

(http://i.imgur.com/CHG8aXA.png)

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* it is not macklemore’s fault that same love is popular. it is his fault that mary lambert was on stage with him and he did not take that opportunity to promote music by queer people or say that he couldn’t have done this without queer people. which would have taken two seconds. it is also his fault mary lambert only got to perform the chorus (yes, only)

Should it have just been a straight-up cover? Because when two people do a song together, they don't get to do all of it. It's like complaining that when Trent Reznor and David Bowie did "Hurt" together, Reznor showed himself as anti-British because he didn't praise British music and have Bowie do it all. No matter how much he does, apparently, people will complain.

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* it is not macklemore’s fault that he is straight. it is his fault that he, as a straight person, purposefully and willfully paints the rap genre to be heterosexist, which ignores and erases queer rappers that do work about queer issues and exist. it’s also his fault that as a straight person, he uses and attempts to reclaim a slur in his song. i don’t give a fuck what kind of context you’re using it in, don’t do that. it’s also his fault that, as a straight person doing a song about gsrm issues, erases gsrm folk (ie. trans*) within the song. and it’s also his fault that he chooses to oversimplify queer issues in the same song.

So, if the majority of a group is a certain way, people can't tell them to shape up because a few are good? It's not "erasing" them, it's saying that, hey, most of you are being dicks. Cut it the fuck out. Also, what is GSRM? A Google search says "Gender, Sexual and Romantic Minorities". Actually, I like that. Much better than the exploding acronym of doom. Additionally, it's a song. There has to be some simplification unless you make it a 20 minute monstrosity, and if he did that, it'd never get played. A song needs focus. It cannot sprawl across every single minute thing. Additionally, is that really complaining that a straight person dared to do a song about issues that aren't his? Because, that's the idea of helping. It's like a slave complaining about white abolitionists because they're not slaves. As a GSRM, fuck you.

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* it is not macklemore’s fault that he is white. it is his fault that, as a white person, he appropriates the hell out of black culture even as he’s supposedly recognizing his privilege in his other bullshit song, White Privilege.
stop telling people, especially queer people, that they should be grateful to macklemore for “spreading awareness” or that people expressing their justified dislike or hate of mackemore, his songs, and/or his fanbase are “the reason people are afraid to talk queer politics/the reason we need people like macklemore/the reason queer issues should be presented in this way, instead of a ‘hateful’ way.” that blatantly victim-blames an oppressed group.

-_- Oh, hey, it's that "appropriation" thing again. How dare a white person rap! Seriously, this shows a lack of knowledge on how culture works. If it becomes popular, it spreads. Complaining about "appropriation" when this happens is being a hipster and trying to use politics to look like the good guy. Under this logic, everyone from Alice Cooper to Disturbed to the motherfuckin' Jonas Brothers is appropriating black culture, since rock started there.

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* also stop it because it implies that queer people should be happy with the support they’re getting, as long as it’s support—when actually, fuck you. this is not the kind of support i asked for, not the kind i want, not the kind i deserve. it also implies that queer people aren’t allowed to want more, or that wanting more/better support is selfish, which??? what????

Actually, it is pretty selfish to complain when someone is trying to help you. If you held the door for someone and they went "Fuck you", you'd be pissed. It's called being an asshole. I don't hate people for race, gender, sex, orientation, trans* status, or pretty much anything but being an asshole. Being pissed because of nitpicking problems and hipsterism is being an asshole. He's spreading gay acceptance, and telling the rap industry to get it's act together, and you're pissed because he's not doing it your way and because some rappers are gay, and therefore somehow it's discrimination when most of the industry is assholes, to call the industry at large mainly bad. I mean, if there was a rogue squad of soldiers raping and killing people, but one of them was against that and wasn't doing the rape or killing, just watching his buddies backs, would you be against calling that rogue squad a group of rapists and killers?

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* stop implying that queer people, as an oppressed group, should be nice to members of an oppressive group for doing what they have already been doing, what they’ve been imprisoned for doing, what they’ve been silenced for doing.

Oh hey, it's that old SJW lunacy. All straight people are oppressors now? So, there are no non-oppressive straight people? What about President Obama? Is he gay or a paradox that will make your brain explode? Because, he's an ally, but he's not gay. Is it aliens? I don't get to use that meme much, so it must be aliens.

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* if your support of an oppressed group depends on how nice members of that group are to you, then your support is bullshit and you should immediately put effort into maybe not being a useless, oppressive “ally.”

As a bisexual man, I'd like to say, with the utmost force behind it, kiss the toilet paper I used to wipe my ass last time I took a shit. You sir, are a dumbass and an asshole. Allies are oppressive, freedom is slavery, yada yada yada. I doubt their support actually changes based on how nice people are. I bet, however, allies dared to criticize your stupid ass, and you're so self-centred that you think that if they disagree with you, they must be homophobes. It's not anything-phobia to call a GSRM person a fucking cunt if they're acting like one. That's equality, as well. Equal chances to be hated for being a prick. It's not because of your queer status. It's because you're a prick. Prick.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 01, 2013, 04:51:43 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m62pk5BzQS1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on September 01, 2013, 05:06:48 pm
How on earth does one "think they're blind?" I'm pretty sure if you can see, you're not blind. Or do you just go everywhere with you're eyes closed?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 01, 2013, 05:13:47 pm
They're either trolling the SJW or they're delusional.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on September 01, 2013, 05:42:47 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on September 01, 2013, 05:06:48 pm
How on earth does one "think they're blind?" I'm pretty sure if you can see, you're not blind. Or do you just go everywhere with you're eyes closed?

There is a mental disorder that makes people believe that they're blind, I think. I doubt this person has it though, since I doubt you could just 'bury' a mental disorder.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 01, 2013, 06:38:46 pm
^^There's a thing called blindsight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight), where people who have some kind of damage to the occipital cortex can't consciously see, but can actually respond to visual stimuli if forced to guess, with results much better than chance.

Interestingly enough, similar kinds of brain damage can result in Anton-Babinski syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton-Babinski_syndrome), which is the exact opposite: people who can't see, but are not consciously aware of it and will firmly deny being blind.

This has very little to do with being transabled, just a bit of fascinating neuro trivia.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Rabbit of Caerbannog on September 02, 2013, 12:01:19 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 01, 2013, 04:51:43 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m62pk5BzQS1ryeto5o1_500.png)
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrh3uztCps1qhvrkho1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 02, 2013, 04:34:34 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on August 31, 2013, 06:58:01 pm
*so totally snipped*
I'm pretty sure the problem is when you don't just call to attention someone's personality, but also what they are. That's the problem. You can call someone a bigot without bringing in their ethnicity or religion or genitals.

Also what you described isn't a trigger in the sense that it is usually used and with which people are referring when they say they're triggered. What you described is what is experienced by a good portion of the population to the point where calling yourself triggered loses just as much meaning as someone saying they were triggered by the oak tree outside.


i find that it drives the point home to make a distinction: a girl who's an ass is making girls look bad, same a a christian bigot makes normal christians look bad, both by association. ie, it's not racist/misogynist/what have you-ist, but it's to add the sting that you represent more than just yourself. by that, i mean that in this day and age, a buffoon has way more publicity than a run-of-the-mill citizen due to the advent of the web 2.0 and 3.0 (social media, even fstdt, in a way), and so the vocal minority paints the silent majority in the with the same brush. today, stereotypes are created by lone individuals. one look through the "worst of social justice" thread is enough for me to say that political correctness has gone mad, even after i read the "best of" thread. it took me a while to remember that for every bigot posted on fstdt, there was perhaps 50 regular devout people trying to have a nice day without ruining someone else's. i try to keep in mind to always be the best i possibly can be, because i'm a long-haired white male, as well as a metalhead. as part of a stigmatized counter-culture, i'll behave the most agreably possible to fight the damage to our respectability done by the likes of varg vikernes, or other ignoble persons whose acts speak volumes, yet paint us all with the same brush because apparently "metal=OMG satanist!" even in 2013. my actions make the rest of my peers look good or bad. i fight idiocy and bigotry one good deed at a time.

regarding triggers i'd be interested to know of your definition, because from what i gleaned in a psychology seminar on ptsd (my condition), triggers could send you into a state of rage, despair, panic, or terror. ye olde wikipedia barely outlines what a trigger is, let alone the manifestations, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trauma_trigger) so could you please help me out? i'd appreciate it  :) but yeah, really wasn't trying to offend.

hell, for all you know, that oak tree is a trigger for that kid whose dad hung himself from an oak tree... triggers can be anything and everything, apparently
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 02, 2013, 10:31:10 am
Yes but by doing that you're making it seem like there's a box that people have to fit into to be a proper example of so-and-so which is what people have a problem with. It's like saying that a woman who goes out and drinks and plays pool and maybe gets into a fight with someone is a bad example of a woman because she doesn't fit into the proper lady box you laid out. Than again, I am speaking in a thread where people have allowed the image of the SJW to be placed over the overall image of tumblr and SJAs.

And as for triggers, it's really not something that is the same for everyone but what you described isn't exactly what people mean when they say they were triggered. Not everyone who is triggered has PTSD, diagnosed or otherwise. The trigger of going into a rage is something that is a bit too general. Because a lot of people are triggered like that (like I said). Generally a trigger has to be something that causes your world to come to a standstill. You're usually brought back to the point where you gained the trigger. For me, whenever something gets a bit too specific about abuse or rape, I generally find my whole world turning grey, I end up just kind of staring at nothing, and my mind is hard to get to from the outside. I zone out and I ignore everything and I find myself once again feeling guilty like I deserved what happened, like I deserved to have someone make light of the situation, like I deserved to be reminded once again about what happened.

But, eh, I'm not an expert. Never claimed to be. You just tended to describe something that was rather general to most of the population. Lots of people fly into rages. It doesn't necessarily have to be triggered like the general sense of the word as described above. I will admit perhaps there was a mistake somewhere along the line but I can say that most people when they say they were triggered they weren't flying into a rage exactly. The anger usually comes after when they weren't given proper warning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 02, 2013, 12:35:05 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 02, 2013, 10:31:10 am
Yes but by doing that you're making it seem like there's a box that people have to fit into to be a proper example of so-and-so which is what people have a problem with. It's like saying that a woman who goes out and drinks and plays pool and maybe gets into a fight with someone is a bad example of a woman because she doesn't fit into the proper lady box you laid out. Than again, I am speaking in a thread where people have allowed the image of the SJW to be placed over the overall image of tumblr and SJAs.

And as for triggers, it's really not something that is the same for everyone but what you described isn't exactly what people mean when they say they were triggered. Not everyone who is triggered has PTSD, diagnosed or otherwise. The trigger of going into a rage is something that is a bit too general. Because a lot of people are triggered like that (like I said). Generally a trigger has to be something that causes your world to come to a standstill. You're usually brought back to the point where you gained the trigger. For me, whenever something gets a bit too specific about abuse or rape, I generally find my whole world turning grey, I end up just kind of staring at nothing, and my mind is hard to get to from the outside. I zone out and I ignore everything and I find myself once again feeling guilty like I deserved what happened, like I deserved to have someone make light of the situation, like I deserved to be reminded once again about what happened.

But, eh, I'm not an expert. Never claimed to be. You just tended to describe something that was rather general to most of the population. Lots of people fly into rages. It doesn't necessarily have to be triggered like the general sense of the word as described above. I will admit perhaps there was a mistake somewhere along the line but I can say that most people when they say they were triggered they weren't flying into a rage exactly. The anger usually comes after when they weren't given proper warning.

as you said, everyone has a different reaction, yours it seems is guilt, whereas mine is near-uncontrollable rage and self-loathing. perhaps i should've described it better, but oh well. at least we're a bit clearer now.

far from me to try and make everyone fit into a box, and once again i should definitely have better explained what i meant. disreputable conduct is what i don't want. i see a girl playing pool or drinking, no problem. if she's picking fights, not cool, i'll try to shame them for their antisocial conduct. i see someone differing from the norm yet being perfectly fine in society, no problem for me. that's the difference, right there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 02, 2013, 10:39:00 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on September 02, 2013, 10:10:13 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on September 02, 2013, 09:44:44 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on September 02, 2013, 09:38:41 pm
This is so fucking stupid. (http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2013/08/food_like_crack_why_the_cocaine_metaphor_is_classist_and_insulting.html) Someone got paid to write an article as to why discribing food as "like crack" is a horrible, horrible thing.

Well, I do hear people all the time exclaiming that X is addictive or that they're addicted to X, and a lot of these people have no idea what an addiction actually is. Some people use the "addiction" metaphor to excuse themselves from behaviors that are in reality entirely under their control - like checking text messages when other people are talking to them, which is a social skills problem and not an addiction problem. Oftentimes these same people don't understand why legitimately addictive behaviors and drugs are so hard to quit, such as in the case of the bias against cigarette smokers.
While some actions may have a psychological addiction, texting included, it's rather rare, and is not a good excuse. That said, the article is not decrying using it to get around being called out and never insinuates that it causes them not to understand addiction, but that them not understanding addiction causes them to use it. What the article mainly says is that it is classist to use "like crack" at all, specifically focusing on that phrase, because crack is a low-class drug. Most people are using it in a joking manner, and if you asked them if they thought crack addiction was a serious issue, their answers would range between "Yes" to "No shit", depending on how much tolerance they have for stupid questions. I personally use "like crack" and say I am "addicted to" Monster energy drinks. While I understand there is a craving for those chemicals due to how much I drink the damn things, I also understand that it's something I can stop at any time, and it certainly isn't comparable to crack. The same goes for Nutella and chocolate in general. I've joked that they mix crack into both, because there's no damn way they're that addicting naturally. I don't seriously mean it. It is a joke. Someone got paid to write a long article about a joke that is so far from serious it's absurd. That, in fact, is the joke itself. The absurdity. So, while people who use "addicted" as an excuse for stuff like texting and sex are dicks, it has little to do with the article or usage of "like crack".

I accidentally posted it in the wrong thread
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 03, 2013, 11:12:02 pm
There isn't enough PETA bashing here. Context: PETA is ever so mad about the National Buffalo Wing Festival not banning themselves last year so now they're lying about the dangerous health effects of eating chicken.

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Dear Mr. Cerza: You may remember hearing from us a few years back, when we requested that you cancel the wing-eating competitions at the National Buffalo Wing Festival because of the cruelty inherent in poultry production. I'm reaching out again to ask you at least to take steps to ensure the safety of pregnant women by barring them from taking part in your contests. As I will explain, consuming poultry while pregnant may lead to birth defects in utero, including smaller-than-average penises for newborn boys. I think we can agree that embarrassment and insecurity are no small matters.

Findings published by the Study for Future Families showed that eating poultry during pregnancy may lead to smaller penis size in male infants. Looking at dairy products, eggs, fish, fruit, bird meat, potatoes, tomatoes, vegetables, and red meat, researchers found the most significant link between chicken consumption and decreased penis size because of a chemical compound found in the meat. Furthermore, evidence indicates that heterosexual women's sexual satisfaction depends in part on their partner's penis size. Now that you are well endowed with this information, I hope you will have the backs of future Buffalo residents and visitors by not allowing their pregnant mothers to participate in the wing-eating contest. I hope to hear from you soon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 03, 2013, 11:14:27 pm
Idiots. Chicken is one of the healthiest meats you can eat while pregnant. At least get the meat by products right. It's hotdogs that have a tenuous link to heart deformities because of a chemical used during the preservation process.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 03, 2013, 11:24:27 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 03, 2013, 11:12:02 pm
There isn't enough PETA bashing here. Context: PETA is ever so mad about the National Buffalo Wing Festival not banning themselves last year so now they're lying about the dangerous health effects of eating chicken.

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Dear Mr. Cerza: You may remember hearing from us a few years back, when we requested that you cancel the wing-eating competitions at the National Buffalo Wing Festival because of the cruelty inherent in poultry production. I'm reaching out again to ask you at least to take steps to ensure the safety of pregnant women by barring them from taking part in your contests. As I will explain, consuming poultry while pregnant may lead to birth defects in utero, including smaller-than-average penises for newborn boys. I think we can agree that embarrassment and insecurity are no small matters.

Findings published by the Study for Future Families showed that eating poultry during pregnancy may lead to smaller penis size in male infants. Looking at dairy products, eggs, fish, fruit, bird meat, potatoes, tomatoes, vegetables, and red meat, researchers found the most significant link between chicken consumption and decreased penis size because of a chemical compound found in the meat. Furthermore, evidence indicates that heterosexual women's sexual satisfaction depends in part on their partner's penis size. Now that you are well endowed with this information, I hope you will have the backs of future Buffalo residents and visitors by not allowing their pregnant mothers to participate in the wing-eating contest. I hope to hear from you soon.

I Googled to see if I could find a single study, even a flawed on, to support their claim, and literally the only things I can find (going back ten pages) are a bunch of news articles, blog entries and forum threads about the letter you quoted.

Part of me hopes that a PETA organizer came across an article about hens farmed for eggs producing smaller male offspring or something along those lines, and somehow a message was passed along reading "Eating poultry = smaller cocks".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 03, 2013, 11:31:30 pm
Well, you will get smaller cocks though. If the bird is still growing while you're eating it, something is very very wrong. :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on September 04, 2013, 12:56:23 am
PETA reminds me so much of an anti-abortion organization. And like an anti-abortion organization, I feel like they pull shit out of their asses for the sake of fear-mongering and appeal to emotion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 04, 2013, 05:53:17 am
So I came across a Tumblr blog called thiscouldbetriggering.tumblr.com.

In it, almost everything seems to be a trigger. These people would definitely be fun for me to, ah, tease.

Including Altered Reality.

Yeah, sounds like they'd be fun for me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 04, 2013, 12:53:00 pm
I think it's funny how PETA instead of at least trying to be professional with their (albeit flawed) info, just rely on a man's perceived fixation with his dick.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 04, 2013, 01:36:45 pm
Well men are usually rather ...shall we say attached... to their dicks.

But yeah, PETA is usually rather counterproductive in their causes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 04, 2013, 04:02:17 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 04, 2013, 12:53:00 pm
I think it's funny how PETA instead of at least trying to be professional with their (albeit flawed) info, just rely on a man's perceived fixation with his dick.
But, that's just it. They aren't. They're relying on their perceived fixation of mothers on their babies' dicks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 04, 2013, 04:07:20 pm
 
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on September 04, 2013, 04:02:17 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 04, 2013, 12:53:00 pm
I think it's funny how PETA instead of at least trying to be professional with their (albeit flawed) info, just rely on a man's perceived fixation with his dick.
But, that's just it. They aren't. They're relying on their perceived fixation of mothers on their babies' dicks.
Ah.  Touche'...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 04, 2013, 04:34:34 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on September 04, 2013, 04:02:17 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 04, 2013, 12:53:00 pm
I think it's funny how PETA instead of at least trying to be professional with their (albeit flawed) info, just rely on a man's perceived fixation with his dick.
But, that's just it. They aren't. They're relying on their perceived fixation of mothers on their babies' dicks.

Not quite. Peta is expecting Mr. Cerza to judge that he cannot rely on mothers' fixation on their babies' dicks, since if he could, there'd be no need to ban them from the competition. It would be sufficient to deliver the (alleged) facts and the pregnant women would either remove themselves or judge the risk to potential future penises to be small enough to not justify missing a wing-eating competition (for example, if they expect not to have male children).

To recap: PETA's argument works on the condition that a) the target believes their allegations and b) he cares significantly more about the size of penises (of other people) than he expects the future mothers of the relevant people to care. Or that he expects them not to believe PETA while he himself does.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 04, 2013, 04:59:12 pm
It seems odd that PETA would overlook the fact that most will care more for money than the possible effects on strange babies' penises.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 04, 2013, 05:07:01 pm
Could we please stop talking about baby penises?  Makes me feel all wiggy....  jibblies...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 04, 2013, 05:41:33 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 04, 2013, 05:07:01 pm
Could we please stop talking about baby penises?  Makes me feel all wiggy....  jibblies...
Hmm. Maybe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 04, 2013, 09:26:13 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/7e4cf56439b627bd2dc7dc8eee8daff8/tumblr_msmp2gUiIh1ryeto5o1_500.png)

So much wrong. So little time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on September 04, 2013, 09:31:24 pm
Harassment? As in, not even physical, but just people making inappropriate and insulting comments? Don't get me wrong, I understand that it can be hurtful, but swords? Seriously? She want's to KILL people for saying nasty things? What era did she show up from, cause it's clearly not today.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on September 04, 2013, 11:02:59 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 04, 2013, 09:26:13 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/7e4cf56439b627bd2dc7dc8eee8daff8/tumblr_msmp2gUiIh1ryeto5o1_500.png)

So much wrong. So little time.
Are you kidding? That would be an incentive to harrass women on the street! I never did it before, but if it gets me into awesome sword duels, hell yeah!

Also... *grabs rapière* I clock a fuckload more than 20 hours of training, so...  ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 04, 2013, 11:09:19 pm
Also, what happens when the women draw swords on guys with concealed carry permits?

Or does part of the plan include banning men from carrying self-defense weapons?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 04, 2013, 11:38:54 pm
Ohh yes, lovable, delicious sword-based violence...we've had a shortage of it since society made damned guns.

Its always been my philosophy that there's more emotion and feeling in a sword fight than in a gunfight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 05, 2013, 12:05:39 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 04, 2013, 11:38:54 pm
Ohh yes, lovable, delicious sword-based violence...we've had a shortage of it since society made damned guns.

Its always been my philosophy that there's more emotion and feeling in a sword fight than in a gunfight.
Agreed. This would be worth it. Kick-ass sword fights.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 05, 2013, 12:36:11 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on September 04, 2013, 11:09:19 pm
Also, what happens when the women draw swords on guys with concealed carry permits?

Or does part of the plan include banning men from carrying self-defense weapons?

I think it is assumed that since it's legal for women to cut men down, then self defense is illegal against that. I mean it's not like you have a right to shoot police officer giving you a speeding ticket either. (Oh, right USA...)

Then again, that's only one attack/incident per month. So I suppose if you knew that she had already stabbed someone earlier that month, THEN that assault of hers would be illegal and you would presumably be allowed to defend yourself just like any other time when someone comes at you with a scimitar.

That would certainly turn into a horrible mess in 15 minutes (at the latest.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on September 05, 2013, 08:11:55 am
I don't understand why this proposed system has a once a month limit.

If you agree that women should be able to kill men who insult them, then shouldn't you just be able to kill them whenever they insult you?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 05, 2013, 08:36:25 am
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on September 05, 2013, 08:11:55 am
I don't understand why this proposed system has a once a month limit.

If you agree that women should be able to kill men who insult them, then shouldn't you just be able to kill them whenever they insult you?

I think that the point was that it was supposed to be a deterrent rather than an excuse to kill every single man. That men would be afraid of the 50% of human population who are legally allowed to maim or kill men. Once in a month limit would mean that women can't do it every single time and therefore go on a wild killing spree... (Which is something that some of the craziest radfems have also suggested.) So instead the fear of being attacked without legal means of defense would prevent men from insulting women.

How it would make men respect women rather than hate or fear the maniacs who can cut them up for whatever reason or imagined transgression they wish is beyond me. Or perhaps that was never the point in the suggestion anyway.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 05, 2013, 04:55:15 pm
Quote from: askold on September 05, 2013, 12:36:11 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on September 04, 2013, 11:09:19 pm
Also, what happens when the women draw swords on guys with concealed carry permits?

Or does part of the plan include banning men from carrying self-defense weapons?

I think it is assumed that since it's legal for women to cut men down, then self defense is illegal against that. I mean it's not like you have a right to shoot police officer giving you a speeding ticket either. (Oh, right USA...)

Then again, that's only one attack/incident per month. So I suppose if you knew that she had already stabbed someone earlier that month, THEN that assault of hers would be illegal and you would presumably be allowed to defend yourself just like any other time when someone comes at you with a scimitar.

That would certainly turn into a horrible mess in 15 minutes (at the latest.)

I'm not sure they'd be classy enough to use a scimitar. Also, it could be against the rules to use foreign blades like that. Appropriation and... such.

As always, the questions people have been mentioning are exactly why I posted it in the first place. :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 06, 2013, 10:29:33 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/490d94260a6064fd8be47874a5be6f8f/tumblr_msombrfKqU1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/62e582d1bccba58c243f10d97009ca83/tumblr_mi3n2bUPNW1r7quado1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 07, 2013, 12:03:01 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 06, 2013, 10:29:33 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/490d94260a6064fd8be47874a5be6f8f/tumblr_msombrfKqU1ryeto5o1_500.png)


I would think that the main point expressed above (that people are more than their genitals and it's odd to focus a relationship solely on that rather than the person as a whole) was one people here largely agreed with. I could swear we had a huge thread where someone argued that only bisexuals could move past genitals and date trans people and everyone else, um, strongly disagreed.

Sure, the aolspeak is annoying, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 07, 2013, 12:12:22 am
Aye, it makes a fair point, but sweet baby Jesus, its a whore to read that abominable excuse for English.  Plus, even if it weren't as broken as English could possibly get while still being slightly legible, it'd still be long-winded as hell for such a simple concept.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 07, 2013, 12:17:30 am
It also sounds like the person is saying that you can't have a super great sex life unless you're willing to date trans people because you're taking a "Dumpy Ass Shit" cis over a "Super Hot Trans*" just because you're uncomfortable that your girlfriend still has the dick she was born with or your boyfriend is still sporting the vagina he developed in utero.

It's not talking about dating, it's talking about the act of sexual intercourse and how cis people are soooooooo awful for having preferences regarding their sexual partners.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on September 07, 2013, 12:28:06 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 07, 2013, 12:17:30 am
It's not talking about dating, it's talking about the act of sexual intercourse and how cis people are soooooooo awful for having preferences regarding their sexual partners.

This.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 07, 2013, 12:31:20 am
It's also making a broad, generalized statement that ALL cis people are like this. As if only someone who's trans or agender (like A. Stiffler, the artist for Chaos Life) is capable of being sexually attracted to people based on something other than genitalia.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 07, 2013, 01:00:05 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 07, 2013, 12:17:30 am
It also sounds like the person is saying that you can't have a super great sex life unless you're willing to date trans people because you're taking a "Dumpy Ass Shit" cis over a "Super Hot Trans*" just because you're uncomfortable that your girlfriend still has the dick she was born with or your boyfriend is still sporting the vagina he developed in utero.

I don't see anything about whether you can have a great sex life or not, merely that there is something odd about genitals overriding all other considerations.

Everyone has every right to be uncomfortable about any aspect of sex, certainly genitals included. But there is a weird paradigm going on that says that the default attitude to take is that the genitals must be right or everything is wrong. Pointing out how silly that sounds seems appropriate.

Quote
It's not talking about dating, it's talking about the act of sexual intercourse and how cis people are soooooooo awful for having preferences regarding their sexual partners.

It talks about 'potential love interests' and all that. That seems to go further than sex, even if sex is a big part.

Quote from: chitoryu12 on September 07, 2013, 12:31:20 am
It's also making a broad, generalized statement that ALL cis people are like this. As if only someone who's trans or agender (like A. Stiffler, the artist for Chaos Life) is capable of being sexually attracted to people based on something other than genitalia.

Actually, fair point, the generalization to all cis people is uncalled for.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 07, 2013, 01:10:41 am
They specifically say that your sex life and romantic life must be shit because you've been brainwashed by the cisheteropatriarchy.

They also have their own weird standards of relationships and how they must be all about appearance. They assume the person chose the "dumpy ass shit" person over the "super hot" trans because the "dumpy ass shit" person is cis. It could be because the less hot individual has a good personality and the "super hot" trans has the personality of denticles rubbed the wrong way.

They're accusing other people of being superficial while being heavily focused on appearance.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 07, 2013, 02:06:18 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/a7f77b3580532ee4b99afcbaa6ee3680/tumblr_mqpuqcaYuL1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Uhh...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 07, 2013, 02:11:21 am
Because pedos are disgusting.  There you go.  Glad I could help.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 07, 2013, 02:16:44 am
Please do not ever again compare the plight of depressed people to pedophiles being considered immoral and gross.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on September 07, 2013, 02:19:56 am
Quote from: Damen on September 07, 2013, 02:06:18 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/a7f77b3580532ee4b99afcbaa6ee3680/tumblr_mqpuqcaYuL1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Uhh...

Because none of them hurt other people? Also, because they mostly try and get psychological treatment?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 07, 2013, 02:41:09 am
Quote from: LeTipex on September 07, 2013, 02:19:56 am
Quote from: Damen on September 07, 2013, 02:06:18 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/a7f77b3580532ee4b99afcbaa6ee3680/tumblr_mqpuqcaYuL1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Uhh...

Because none of them hurt other people?

I dunno. James May HAS been caught on camera violently attempting to fix Jeremy's watch.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on September 07, 2013, 07:27:55 am
I really do have sympathy for people who realize that they are pedophiles and actively try to seek help for it. They know it's wrong and they're not acting on it, and therefore I don't find them disgusting. The folks who act on it are another story.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on September 07, 2013, 10:16:55 am
Quote from: LeTipex on September 07, 2013, 02:19:56 am
Quote from: Damen on September 07, 2013, 02:06:18 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/a7f77b3580532ee4b99afcbaa6ee3680/tumblr_mqpuqcaYuL1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Uhh...

Because none of them hurt other people? Also, because they mostly try and get psychological treatment?

To be fair, there are some people who dislike their own pedophilic attractions, refuse to act on them, and try to get therapy.  This asshole isn't one of them, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on September 07, 2013, 10:20:40 am
Quote from: Sleepy on September 07, 2013, 07:27:55 am
I really do have sympathy for people who realize that they are pedophiles and actively try to seek help for it. They know it's wrong and they're not acting on it, and therefore I don't find them disgusting. The folks who act on it are another story.

I wonder what percentage of the population are in fact pedophiles. I wouldn't be surprised if it's larger than people realize.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 07, 2013, 10:31:29 am
To me, a pedophile is someone that actually acts on their attractions, trying to justify it or not really caring either way.  A person who knows they're sick and seeks help doesn't really factor in my "Disgusting" label.    The one in that particular web snippit however, does.

Quote from: Meshakhad
I wonder what percentage of the population are in fact pedophiles. I wouldn't be surprised if it's larger than people realize.

It probably is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 07, 2013, 10:33:35 am
Quote from: Sleepy on September 07, 2013, 07:27:55 am
I really do have sympathy for people who realize that they are pedophiles and actively try to seek help for it. They know it's wrong and they're not acting on it, and therefore I don't find them disgusting. The folks who act on it are another story.

This is pretty much my take on it. If you're actively seeking help for it and leaving children alone you're fine. If you're justifying it you need to GTFO the planet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Illusive Man on September 07, 2013, 10:53:13 am
Quote from: Damen on September 07, 2013, 02:06:18 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/a7f77b3580532ee4b99afcbaa6ee3680/tumblr_mqpuqcaYuL1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Uhh...
Whoever typed that is confounding harm (rape) with dysfunction. Pedos are worse than disgusting, they are dangerous as they actively seek to harm others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 07, 2013, 02:19:43 pm
Quote from: Damen on September 07, 2013, 02:06:18 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/a7f77b3580532ee4b99afcbaa6ee3680/tumblr_mqpuqcaYuL1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Uhh...

Oh look another ball of white hot rage.

Ironbite-good thing I respawn.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 07, 2013, 03:12:13 pm
On the subject of pedophiles: Child molesters -- as in, people who act on their fantasies and harm real children -- are utter scum and deserve no sympathy, but demonizing people for merely having the impulses without having actually acting on them really only serves to discourage them from getting help.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 07, 2013, 03:15:49 pm
Why don't we just use the word "predator" to refer to the ones that act on their desires?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 07, 2013, 03:18:22 pm
Yeah. I actually do try to use "child molester" when talking about the criminals, and never "paedophile". Oh, and I want to applaud everyone on here. When this discussion was had on The Escapist, they made a rule that there was to be no talk of paedophiles, ever, ever, ever, because many had the same mindset we have here. It happened because of a fairly popular user who was the never-act-on-it kind of paedophile not hiding that fact (like, he liked lolis in fiction, but made it quite clear he would never do anything in person). I got deleted, not banned, over that one. If anyone here is a member, is LegendaryGamer0 still there?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 07, 2013, 07:49:48 pm
Quote from: TheL on September 07, 2013, 10:16:55 am
Quote from: LeTipex on September 07, 2013, 02:19:56 am
Quote from: Damen on September 07, 2013, 02:06:18 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/a7f77b3580532ee4b99afcbaa6ee3680/tumblr_mqpuqcaYuL1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Uhh...

Because none of them hurt other people? Also, because they mostly try and get psychological treatment?

To be fair, there are some people who dislike their own pedophilic attractions, refuse to act on them, and try to get therapy.  This asshole isn't one of them, though.

There's that. But the blanket thing is my problem with the entry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 08, 2013, 06:41:32 pm
Just in case you weren't 50000% done with Tumblr there is an adult privilege tag:

Quote
Adult privilege is the fact that I can go to the bathroom whenever I want/need to, and no one will try to stop me.

Think about that. Many young people in school are prevented from taking care of natural human bodily functions when they need to. The fact that some students will use it to get out of class doesn’t justify attempting to prevent someone from using the toilet when they need to. That’s inhumane.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on September 08, 2013, 07:12:44 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 08, 2013, 06:41:32 pm
Just in case you weren't 50000% done with Tumblr there is an adult privilege tag:

Quote
Adult privilege is the fact that I can go to the bathroom whenever I want/need to, and no one will try to stop me.

Think about that. Many young people in school are prevented from taking care of natural human bodily functions when they need to. The fact that some students will use it to get out of class doesn’t justify attempting to prevent someone from using the toilet when they need to. That’s inhumane.
That has got to be a joke...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on September 08, 2013, 07:27:25 pm
Kids don't deserve all the privileges adults have because, GASP, they're kids. They don't have the necessary skills for a lot of the things adults are able to do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 08, 2013, 07:35:56 pm
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH!  Can you use that privilege to justify pedophilia and child sexual assault?

Ironbite-pretty please?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 08, 2013, 11:10:51 pm
Quote from: ironbite on September 08, 2013, 07:35:56 pm
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH!  Can you use that privilege to justify pedophilia and child sexual assault?

Ironbite-pretty please?!

Alas, I'm sure someone's already tried that line of reasoning.  You're probably guilty of appropriating their ideas, now.  I'd give you penance to be paid, but honestly, I can't be arsed.  Too tired.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 09, 2013, 03:16:29 am
^^ I've seen people use that line of reasoning. Not on Tumblr (aside from obvious trolls), but elsewhere on the internet. Pedos claiming that children are capable of sexual desire and we're taking away their rights over their own bodies, etc.

Of course, it falls more under "desperate attempts to rationalized horrific acts" than "social justice", but it exists nonetheless.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on September 09, 2013, 03:20:13 am
Im surprised at the maturity. I thought it would be an endless onslaught of RAHALLPEDOPHILESAREHORRIBLEPEOPLE

And the general hatred towards thought crime.

Kudos.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 09, 2013, 03:32:19 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on September 09, 2013, 03:20:13 am
Im surprised at the maturity. I thought it would be an endless onslaught of RAHALLPEDOPHILESAREHORRIBLEPEOPLE

And the general hatred towards thought crime.

Kudos.

Eh, we've had this discussion numerous times before, and it's always gone pretty much the same way. The only people I remember doing the whole "RAHALLPEDOPHILESAREHORRIBLEPEOPLE" thing are BrendenRizzo (surprise surprise) and some guy on Proboards who somehow misread the entire thread and thought people were supporting child molesters (I recall him posting something to the effect of "WE'VE GONE DOWN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE! THE FUNDIES WERE RIGHT!").
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Auri-El on September 09, 2013, 06:04:24 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 08, 2013, 06:41:32 pm
Just in case you weren't 50000% done with Tumblr there is an adult privilege tag:

Quote
Adult privilege is the fact that I can go to the bathroom whenever I want/need to, and no one will try to stop me.

Think about that. Many young people in school are prevented from taking care of natural human bodily functions when they need to. The fact that some students will use it to get out of class doesn’t justify attempting to prevent someone from using the toilet when they need to. That’s inhumane.

Fine, if kids want to have adult privileges, they can have adult responsibilities too. They can work a real job, have bills, be responsible for the safety and well-being of a family. Yup.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 09, 2013, 06:08:01 am
Quote from: Auri-El on September 09, 2013, 06:04:24 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 08, 2013, 06:41:32 pm
Just in case you weren't 50000% done with Tumblr there is an adult privilege tag:

Quote
Adult privilege is the fact that I can go to the bathroom whenever I want/need to, and no one will try to stop me.

Think about that. Many young people in school are prevented from taking care of natural human bodily functions when they need to. The fact that some students will use it to get out of class doesn’t justify attempting to prevent someone from using the toilet when they need to. That’s inhumane.

Fine, if kids want to have adult privileges, they can have adult responsibilities too. They can work a real job, have bills, be responsible for the safety and well-being of a family. Yup.
Who was it that suggested that? Because I'm pretty sure Beck, Reilly or someone suggested that poor kids should be forced to work as janitors in schools or something. In fact the whole "back in my days I had to spend my hours after school working to earn some pocket money rather than getting handouts" is a pretty common complain.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Auri-El on September 09, 2013, 06:23:51 am
Oh, I don't actually think that, that kids should have to work, just to clarify. I was trying to say, they don't get the relative freedoms that they think come with being an adult because they're not capable of handling the co-existing stress.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 09, 2013, 06:50:08 am
I know.

It's just that your sarcasm reminded me of the fact there are people who really DO have that opinion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 09, 2013, 12:00:03 pm
Quote from: askold on September 09, 2013, 06:08:01 am
Quote from: Auri-El on September 09, 2013, 06:04:24 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 08, 2013, 06:41:32 pm
Just in case you weren't 50000% done with Tumblr there is an adult privilege tag:

Quote
Adult privilege is the fact that I can go to the bathroom whenever I want/need to, and no one will try to stop me.

Think about that. Many young people in school are prevented from taking care of natural human bodily functions when they need to. The fact that some students will use it to get out of class doesn’t justify attempting to prevent someone from using the toilet when they need to. That’s inhumane.

Fine, if kids want to have adult privileges, they can have adult responsibilities too. They can work a real job, have bills, be responsible for the safety and well-being of a family. Yup.
Who was it that suggested that? Because I'm pretty sure Beck, Reilly or someone suggested that poor kids should be forced to work as janitors in schools or something. In fact the whole "back in my days I had to spend my hours after school working to earn some pocket money rather than getting handouts" is a pretty common complain.

That was Newt Gingrich, once again proving that he is literally a cartoon villain.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 09, 2013, 02:39:39 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 08, 2013, 06:41:32 pm
Just in case you weren't 50000% done with Tumblr there is an adult privilege tag:

Quote
Adult privilege is the fact that I can go to the bathroom whenever I want/need to, and no one will try to stop me.

Think about that. Many young people in school are prevented from taking care of natural human bodily functions when they need to. The fact that some students will use it to get out of class doesn’t justify attempting to prevent someone from using the toilet when they need to. That’s inhumane.
Actually, I've seen where it can be extremely inhumane. I've seen people clenching their legs trying not to shit themselves because they're not allowed to go, and I've heard of teenagers on their periods being told they can't go, even though they really need to.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 09, 2013, 04:49:23 pm
I have seen abuse of the whole no restroom policy too, but generally has more to do with class than ageism. As in schools that generally has those policies are those in poorer neighborhoods where they don't care for the well-being of the students.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 09, 2013, 04:53:36 pm
I don't think I've ever been flat-out denied to go to the bathroom when I was at school.  I've had some teachers be bitchy about it like they're doing me a monumental favor akin to curing cancer, but never really outright denial.  Tough stuff. :(
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 09, 2013, 05:01:23 pm
In the sixties, some predominantly Latino schools in LA locked restroom doors during breaks and lunch. Yeah way more to do with other factors than discrimination against young ones. If they tried that at Newport Beach you can bet no one would stand for it.

I honestly had someone try to tell me consent law was discriminatory, though. I also had an anarchist tell me anti rape laws violated their personal freedom but that's another ball of idiocy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 09, 2013, 05:25:37 pm
Though it's really ageist in here. ;P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 09, 2013, 05:27:38 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 09, 2013, 05:25:37 pm
Though it's really ageist in here. ;P
Shush, young 'un.  The grown-ups are talkin'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 09, 2013, 05:28:37 pm
Rude. Though the first time I've actually felt young.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 09, 2013, 05:30:13 pm
LOL... I look forward to the possibility of being carded when I buy alcohol, so... I feel you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on September 09, 2013, 05:52:09 pm
I think that "adult privilege" blog is a joke, by the way.

As for something serious I actually came across, I recently came across someone who claimed to be bisexual and asexual at the same time. Like no that's not how it works.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 09, 2013, 06:32:38 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 09, 2013, 04:53:36 pm
I don't think I've ever been flat-out denied to go to the bathroom when I was at school.  I've had some teachers be bitchy about it like they're doing me a monumental favor akin to curing cancer, but never really outright denial.  Tough stuff. :(

I've had some teachers who WOULD deny it if they weren't convinced that it was an "emergency." They were generally the ones who had egos bigger than they should have been and were convinced that missing any part of their class was downright criminal.

Threatening to pee on the floor in front of them usually worked.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 09, 2013, 06:43:12 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on September 09, 2013, 06:32:38 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 09, 2013, 04:53:36 pm
I don't think I've ever been flat-out denied to go to the bathroom when I was at school.  I've had some teachers be bitchy about it like they're doing me a monumental favor akin to curing cancer, but never really outright denial.  Tough stuff. :(

I've had some teachers who WOULD deny it if they weren't convinced that it was an "emergency." They were generally the ones who had egos bigger than they should have been and were convinced that missing any part of their class was downright criminal.

Threatening to pee on the floor in front of them usually worked.

Sure as hell would work for me if I was a teach.  Even moreso if they threatened to barf on/in front of me.  For someone with emetaphobia that's like... eek.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 09, 2013, 07:19:50 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on September 09, 2013, 06:32:38 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 09, 2013, 04:53:36 pm
I don't think I've ever been flat-out denied to go to the bathroom when I was at school.  I've had some teachers be bitchy about it like they're doing me a monumental favor akin to curing cancer, but never really outright denial.  Tough stuff. :(

I've had some teachers who WOULD deny it if they weren't convinced that it was an "emergency." They were generally the ones who had egos bigger than they should have been and were convinced that missing any part of their class was downright criminal.

Threatening to pee on the floor in front of them usually worked.

I had a teacher who told us he would only excuse us once the whole school year to use the restroom. If we had to go more than once the whole year during his class, well, tough. He said we could take breaks during less important classes if our bladders were that weak.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 09, 2013, 07:21:24 pm
Now now, everyone! We need MOAR rape apology!

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/650e25597237694339c35457d21f8f7a/tumblr_msuwk9hNR51ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Not sure if this has been posted but...

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/cbaac6dec4566c65ea99b655dd0fb572/tumblr_mfvqk6K7Jw1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

AND NOW LET US SEE WHAT COUNTS AS SEXUAL HARASSMENT TO AN SJW!

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/ee9c6bcd8f3ebdb5553a074a1dd04df0/tumblr_mfhw8pfOsK1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

I'm all for establishing and respecting boundaries but behold! Asking for sex from your girlfriend is now sexual harassment because PENIS!

P.S. If you help someone understand why you have established this boundary they won't resent it nearly as much as they will if you just leave it with an "Because I said so."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 09, 2013, 07:32:34 pm
"Men can defend themselves"

So basically you just called women weak.  You're a misogynist.

What's with these radfems being misogynistic?  It's like... Twilight Zone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Auri-El on September 09, 2013, 07:32:36 pm
No, idiot, asking for sex is not harassment. Continuing to ask or to come on after s/he says not now- THAT'S harassment. How is this a difficult concept?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on September 09, 2013, 08:14:47 pm
That last screenshot is from a troll blog, just so you know.

Also, the last time I heard someone argue that men couldn't be raped was actually from a very misogynistic rabbi who thought that because men watched more porn and women read more romance novels (supposedly), gender roles are natural and true and need to be adhered to.

Unsurprisingly, both of his marriages to women have ended in divorce.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 09, 2013, 08:18:13 pm
Thank god it was a troll; I didn't think I could handle that level of stupidity.

And then I found this:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/8f8111cb7e13f088d87e333672ec4bb5/tumblr_msuhxnyKFE1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on September 09, 2013, 08:25:27 pm
Nnnneeeeeh why
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on September 09, 2013, 09:11:14 pm
I only eat when I'm hungry or craving a particular food. Do I get a special label for that?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 09, 2013, 09:19:41 pm
I propose either "demivorism" or "demiphagia".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 09, 2013, 10:04:54 pm
Yessssss.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 10, 2013, 01:17:02 am
http://shitrichcollegekidssay.tumblr.com/

Most of it wouldn't fall under an SJW tag, but this one was just so full of what the fuckery.

Quote
“I purposefully call some straight people–who I know are sterile–breeders: I think it’s hilarious–especially when they actually care about having kids.”

Edit because someone is already making the implication that the term "Breeder" is cissexist. I'm trying to wrap my brain around how that works.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 10, 2013, 01:18:05 am
CONGRATULATIONS YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE.

I personally know a couple of people who want to have kids but can't cause of sterility or their womb being damaged. And if you ever said that shit to them I would punch you in the fucking nose.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 10, 2013, 02:02:25 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 10, 2013, 01:17:02 am
http://shitrichcollegekidssay.tumblr.com/

Most of it wouldn't fall under an SJW tag, but this one was just so full of what the fuckery.

Quote
“I purposefully call some straight people–who I know are sterile–breeders: I think it’s hilarious–especially when they actually care about having kids.”

Edit because someone is already making the implication that the term "Breeder" is cissexist. I'm trying to wrap my brain around how that works.

Well that's just being a dick.

But, why is he doing this? Does he hate straight people or is he a dick to everyone with this being just one particular way to insult and hurt people? I mean like "breeder" calls to infertile straigth couples and homophobic slurs against gay couples etc.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on September 10, 2013, 02:12:37 am
Quote from: askold on September 10, 2013, 02:02:25 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 10, 2013, 01:17:02 am
http://shitrichcollegekidssay.tumblr.com/

Most of it wouldn't fall under an SJW tag, but this one was just so full of what the fuckery.

Quote
“I purposefully call some straight people–who I know are sterile–breeders: I think it’s hilarious–especially when they actually care about having kids.”

Edit because someone is already making the implication that the term "Breeder" is cissexist. I'm trying to wrap my brain around how that works.

Well that's just being a dick.

But, why is he doing this? Does he hate straight people or is he a dick to everyone with this being just one particular way to insult and hurt people? I mean like "breeder" calls to infertile straigth couples and homophobic slurs against gay couples etc.

I can understand how "breeder" could be seen as cissexist in the sense that it erases straight trans* people who cannot have children due to hormone therapy. I think it's more of a reflection on the person who originally said the quote though.

In general I like Shit Rich College Kids Say. Just when I get too full of obnoxious shit like hope for humanity, I read a few quotes from the privileged chucklefucks currently infesting America's top educational institutions, and immediately sink back into the abyss between cynicism and waiting for some sort of revolution.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 10, 2013, 02:13:58 am
Calling a sterile person a "breeder" as an insult doesn't even make sense. I know that it's probably his intention to remind them of their inability to have children, but it's like calling an overweight person Skeletor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 10, 2013, 02:18:17 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on September 10, 2013, 02:12:37 am
Quote from: askold on September 10, 2013, 02:02:25 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 10, 2013, 01:17:02 am
http://shitrichcollegekidssay.tumblr.com/

Most of it wouldn't fall under an SJW tag, but this one was just so full of what the fuckery.

Quote
“I purposefully call some straight people–who I know are sterile–breeders: I think it’s hilarious–especially when they actually care about having kids.”

Edit because someone is already making the implication that the term "Breeder" is cissexist. I'm trying to wrap my brain around how that works.

Well that's just being a dick.

But, why is he doing this? Does he hate straight people or is he a dick to everyone with this being just one particular way to insult and hurt people? I mean like "breeder" calls to infertile straigth couples and homophobic slurs against gay couples etc.

I can understand how "breeder" could be seen as cissexist in the sense that it erases straight trans* people who cannot have children due to hormone therapy. I think it's more of a reflection on the person who originally said the quote though.

In general I like Shit Rich College Kids Say. Just when I get too full of obnoxious shit like hope for humanity, I read a few quotes from the privileged chucklefucks currently infesting America's top educational institutions, and immediately sink back into the abyss between cynicism and waiting for some sort of revolution.

You mean like how 15% of the student body of the best schools out there aren't actually academically qualified to be there but their dad is loaded? Yeah people go to College expecting some type of liberal haven. I know a guy at my alma mater who said people protesting about the UC tuition hikes were just lazy and didn't work for their money. This guy owned a luxury car that his parents gave him the money for and proudly cheated on his Business Administration degree.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on September 10, 2013, 02:28:47 am
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 10, 2013, 02:18:17 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on September 10, 2013, 02:12:37 am
Quote from: askold on September 10, 2013, 02:02:25 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 10, 2013, 01:17:02 am
http://shitrichcollegekidssay.tumblr.com/

Most of it wouldn't fall under an SJW tag, but this one was just so full of what the fuckery.

Quote
“I purposefully call some straight people–who I know are sterile–breeders: I think it’s hilarious–especially when they actually care about having kids.”

Edit because someone is already making the implication that the term "Breeder" is cissexist. I'm trying to wrap my brain around how that works.

Well that's just being a dick.

But, why is he doing this? Does he hate straight people or is he a dick to everyone with this being just one particular way to insult and hurt people? I mean like "breeder" calls to infertile straigth couples and homophobic slurs against gay couples etc.

I can understand how "breeder" could be seen as cissexist in the sense that it erases straight trans* people who cannot have children due to hormone therapy. I think it's more of a reflection on the person who originally said the quote though.

In general I like Shit Rich College Kids Say. Just when I get too full of obnoxious shit like hope for humanity, I read a few quotes from the privileged chucklefucks currently infesting America's top educational institutions, and immediately sink back into the abyss between cynicism and waiting for some sort of revolution.

You mean like how 15% of the student body of the best schools out there aren't actually academically qualified to be there but their dad is loaded? Yeah people go to College expecting some type of liberal haven. I know a guy at my alma mater who said people protesting about the UC tuition hikes were just lazy and didn't work for their money. This guy owned a luxury car that his parents gave him the money for and proudly cheated on his Business Administration degree.

Wow, what an asshole. Did you report him? (I understand if you didn't, given his parents' power.)

Times like this also make me wonder if there should be a site for exposing plagiarists online. >_>
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 10, 2013, 03:34:28 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/12d7d92baec17b727e326988bde715d8/tumblr_msv8orMZO41r9ee4eo1_400.jpg)

I think this was posted before but bears repeating.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 10, 2013, 02:41:48 pm
YOU....ARE....WHITE...YOU....DUMB....BITCH!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 10, 2013, 06:49:39 pm
Anyone have a link to her blog? I want to check it out in order to decide whether or not I think she's a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 10, 2013, 09:13:34 pm
Transnigger...wow. Just...wow. That has me immaturely giggling.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 10, 2013, 10:39:18 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 10, 2013, 09:13:34 pm
Transnigger...wow. Just...wow. That has me immaturely giggling.

Okay, so I'm not the only one.  I feel slightly more relieved, now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 10, 2013, 10:50:15 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 10, 2013, 10:39:18 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 10, 2013, 09:13:34 pm
Transnigger...wow. Just...wow. That has me immaturely giggling.

Okay, so I'm not the only one.  I feel slightly more relieved, now.

I would dearly love to see someone take the piss with this girl by claiming to be a trans* POC who is being triggered because this bitch is appropriating their culture. Her response should be hilarious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on September 10, 2013, 10:54:54 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 10, 2013, 10:50:15 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 10, 2013, 10:39:18 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 10, 2013, 09:13:34 pm
Transnigger...wow. Just...wow. That has me immaturely giggling.

Okay, so I'm not the only one.  I feel slightly more relieved, now.

I would dearly love to see someone take the piss with this girl by claiming to be a trans* POC who is being triggered because this bitch is appropriating their culture. Her response should be hilarious.

There are already POC pissed at "transethnics" and people like her. Transethnic already has a meaning - it refers to children adopted by families of a different race, which unlike these special snowflakes' ideas of what they are, is a real thing that actually happens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 10, 2013, 11:27:23 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on September 10, 2013, 10:54:54 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 10, 2013, 10:50:15 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 10, 2013, 10:39:18 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 10, 2013, 09:13:34 pm
Transnigger...wow. Just...wow. That has me immaturely giggling.

Okay, so I'm not the only one.  I feel slightly more relieved, now.

I would dearly love to see someone take the piss with this girl by claiming to be a trans* POC who is being triggered because this bitch is appropriating their culture. Her response should be hilarious.

There are already POC pissed at "transethnics" and people like her. Transethnic already has a meaning - it refers to children adopted by families of a different race, which unlike these special snowflakes' ideas of what they are, is a real thing that actually happens.

Not only that but also biracial people who struggle between multiple racial identity are insulted. And notice they only every pick "popular" ethnicity to be. Transgender people exist in all spectrum but not once have I ever head a "transethnic" person claim to be something like Sorb, !kang, Dayak, but they all claim to be obvious ethnicity like Korean or Black (as if Black people are a monolith). They like to claim that they're akin to transgender but they are nothing like transgender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 11, 2013, 12:19:09 am
Just like how their kintypes are never snails, amoebae, or breakfast cereals.  Or how their "headmates" are rarely the likes of Bob the Plumber or Pencil-Pushing Dave.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 11, 2013, 01:17:57 am
And people who believe in reincarnation have been in their previous lifes celebreties like Cleopatra, Caesar, JFK, Abraham Lincoln or Robin Hood.

No one comes out and says that his/her previous lives were some slaves who were in shit-bucket duty or some poor peasants kid who died of Polio before hitting puberty.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on September 11, 2013, 01:52:37 am
Quote from: askold on September 11, 2013, 01:17:57 am
And people who believe in reincarnation have been in their previous lifes celebreties like Cleopatra, Caesar, JFK, Abraham Lincoln or Robin Hood.

No one comes out and says that his/her previous lives were some slaves who were in shit-bucket duty or some poor peasants kid who died of Polio before hitting puberty.

Rimmer:  All my life the military, the clothes, the lifestyle it all seemed so familiar. One day I saw a psychic who took me through my past lives and it all made sense.

You see, in a past life, I was Alexander the Great's...chief eunuch.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 11, 2013, 08:48:56 am
HA.  Even then, many times, eunuchs were considered pretty high on the totem pole, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on September 11, 2013, 09:03:12 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 11, 2013, 08:48:56 am
HA.  Even then, many times, eunuchs were considered pretty high on the totem pole, if I remember correctly.

They were apparently both valued and pitied. And in some cases treated as entirely disposable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 11, 2013, 02:29:46 pm
Considering that Alexander the Great was known for his good looks (and his male lovers) I have to say I wouldn't mind being the reincarnation of one of them.

That being said, I do believe in the possibility of reincarnation (boy that feels like weasels) but I don't know who I might be a reincarnation of.  Probably just some Joe Schmoe.  Or a Shane Dane.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on September 11, 2013, 02:41:02 pm
I think reincarnation is more likely than there being an afterlife like heaven or hell, but I don't really see how it's any better than just being dead.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 11, 2013, 02:47:24 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 11, 2013, 02:29:46 pm
Considering that Alexander the Great was known for his good looks (and his male lovers) I have to say I wouldn't mind being the reincarnation of one of them.

That being said, I do believe in the possibility of reincarnation (boy that feels like weasels) but I don't know who I might be a reincarnation of.  Probably just some Joe Schmoe.  Or a Shane Dane.

Excuse you. :P

Nah, but see I have some pretty powerful feelings about reincarnation. I doubt I was some bigwig in real life considering a lot of my flashes deal with regular ol' nurse stuff. And then there's a knight I have no idea of the name of which you think I would cause 'oooh knight' but nah. Probably just a low-level knight with very little land and his name is lost in the sea of records.

With that said, you want to find something offensive and you're trans then yeah, look at transethnics and shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 11, 2013, 06:13:03 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 11, 2013, 02:29:46 pm
Considering that Alexander the Great was known for his good looks (and his male lovers) I have to say I wouldn't mind being the reincarnation of one of them.

That being said, I do believe in the possibility of reincarnation (boy that feels like weasels) but I don't know who I might be a reincarnation of.  Probably just some Joe Schmoe.  Or a Shane Dane.

It's worth noting that, even assuming reincarnation happens, there are non-trivial odds that you aren't the reincarnation of anyone. Depends on how exactly you think it works, but population growth means that it's likely some souls nowadays had no prior body, or no prior human body at the very least.

There are quite a few more dead people than living people, so you could postulate that we do in fact have enough dead people for each person living today to have had a few past lives. If, for example, reincarnation only started happening after ~7 billion people died (cumulative), and those souls have been used and reused over time, each person alive today would have quite a few past lives (around 15, according to one estimate I found of roughly 108 billion total people ever). Of course, in a few years we'll need to start adding new souls to the mix, because population will continue to grow past those 7 billion.

But there's no particular reason to assume that the fundamental mechanisms of reincarnation chose 7 billion as 'the number of souls to be cycled until they are insufficient, then we start introducing new ones'. It would make more sense for reincarnation to have been happening throughout the existence of humans,  and new souls to be added all the time as needed. So when there were only a couple million people on Earth, there  were a couple million souls, that then got reused a generation later, and so on. We should then expect a proportionally tiny number of people alive today with very old souls (those souls that have been in the cycle since the beginning of humankind) and a lot of people with souls that are barely a cycle or two old (consider that human population has doubled in the last 40 years or so). And some souls that had no prior human host.

And that is, assuming that a once human soul will be human every time after. If you believe that a human soul can go to a non-human animal after death, then the odds that your soul was human even once before drop tremendously.


This is not intended as a criticism of reincarnation itself. I don't believe in it, but for different reasons. This is simply commentary on the fact that reincarnation being true does not guarantee having past human lives.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 11, 2013, 06:49:01 pm
One "theory" of reincarnation is that it's basically a big melting pot of souls and when you die, your soul "melts" into the pot until it's indistinguishable, and every time someone is born, a metaphorical ladel scoops out the mix and a new person is born but with aspects of the previous ones.

I'm not sure I like that but it honestly makes the most sense within the context of reincarnation.

There's also the idea that reincarnation might draw from a universal or even a multiversal selection.  Not to mention multiple species.  So that one guy might actually be the reincarnation of a fox, while his "otherkin" friend might just be the reincarnation of a boring peasant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 11, 2013, 06:49:28 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 11, 2013, 06:13:03 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 11, 2013, 02:29:46 pm
Considering that Alexander the Great was known for his good looks (and his male lovers) I have to say I wouldn't mind being the reincarnation of one of them.

That being said, I do believe in the possibility of reincarnation (boy that feels like weasels) but I don't know who I might be a reincarnation of.  Probably just some Joe Schmoe.  Or a Shane Dane.

It's worth noting that, even assuming reincarnation happens, there are non-trivial odds that you aren't the reincarnation of anyone. Depends on how exactly you think it works, but population growth means that it's likely some souls nowadays had no prior body, or no prior human body at the very least.

There are quite a few more dead people than living people, so you could postulate that we do in fact have enough dead people for each person living today to have had a few past lives. If, for example, reincarnation only started happening after ~7 billion people died (cumulative), and those souls have been used and reused over time, each person alive today would have quite a few past lives (around 15, according to one estimate I found of roughly 108 billion total people ever). Of course, in a few years we'll need to start adding new souls to the mix, because population will continue to grow past those 7 billion.

But there's no particular reason to assume that the fundamental mechanisms of reincarnation chose 7 billion as 'the number of souls to be cycled until they are insufficient, then we start introducing new ones'. It would make more sense for reincarnation to have been happening throughout the existence of humans,  and new souls to be added all the time as needed. So when there were only a couple million people on Earth, there  were a couple million souls, that then got reused a generation later, and so on. We should then expect a proportionally tiny number of people alive today with very old souls (those souls that have been in the cycle since the beginning of humankind) and a lot of people with souls that are barely a cycle or two old (consider that human population has doubled in the last 40 years or so). And some souls that had no prior human host.

And that is, assuming that a once human soul will be human every time after. If you believe that a human soul can go to a non-human animal after death, then the odds that your soul was human even once before drop tremendously.


This is not intended as a criticism of reincarnation itself. I don't believe in it, but for different reasons. This is simply commentary on the fact that reincarnation being true does not guarantee having past human lives.

That said, you are going with the idea of time still moving linearly, even in the afterlife. If we go with a non-sequential timestream (or, basically, wibbly wobbly, timey wimey), multiple people could have the same soul at once. In fact, one could even theorize that, if this is correct, your perfect match(es) has your soul. So, if you have a long time spouse, they die, and you fall in love again, both have your soul.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 11, 2013, 06:51:12 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on September 11, 2013, 06:49:28 pm
That said, you are going with the idea of time still moving linearly, even in the afterlife. If we go with a non-sequential timestream (or, basically, wibbly wobbly, timey wimey), multiple people could have the same soul at once. In fact, one could even theorize that, if this is correct, your perfect match has your soul.

In my linear thinking I forgot about this, actually.  That's... hypo...thetically? possible.

Problem is once you get into quantum physics (which reincarnation probably does already) then it starts to become Whose Universe Is It Anyway?  Where the experiments are made up and the thoughts don't matter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 11, 2013, 06:53:12 pm
There's a coven in Ohio who believe similar to the idea Sigma put forth. Some souls are new, some are old. They also throw in a nirvana like idea that souls who have learned enough basically retire.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 11, 2013, 06:53:55 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 11, 2013, 06:51:12 pm
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on September 11, 2013, 06:49:28 pm
That said, you are going with the idea of time still moving linearly, even in the afterlife. If we go with a non-sequential timestream (or, basically, wibbly wobbly, timey wimey), multiple people could have the same soul at once. In fact, one could even theorize that, if this is correct, your perfect match has your soul.

In my linear thinking I forgot about this, actually.  That's... hypo...thetically? possible.

Problem is once you get into quantum physics (which reincarnation probably does already) then it starts to become Whose Universe Is It Anyway?  Where the experiments are made up and the thoughts don't matter.
True. Everyone and everything could actually be one person, too. I heard a nice theory once: that living a universe of lives is how you create a god.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 11, 2013, 07:00:41 pm
If this is going to turn into a reincarnation talk, can we just split the topic?

Meanwhile!

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/043cd47b5ae3162d409cc82cfc97acf1/tumblr_mspyopYXef1ryeto5o1_250.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 11, 2013, 07:07:34 pm
I can see that, logically, if someone was a survivor of cancer/chemo. But still.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 11, 2013, 07:09:39 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 11, 2013, 07:07:34 pm
I can see that, logically, if someone was a survivor of cancer/chemo. But still.
Or if they just have a phobia, or lost it MJ style.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 11, 2013, 10:31:23 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e38f1a57112c805c4629407808b0f220/tumblr_msnmgvcigK1sblth0o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 11, 2013, 10:35:44 pm
Wot?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on September 11, 2013, 10:35:58 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 11, 2013, 10:31:23 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e38f1a57112c805c4629407808b0f220/tumblr_msnmgvcigK1sblth0o1_500.jpg)

Oh welp, I'm a rapist. Guess I should just admit it to myself and get on with my life..
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on September 11, 2013, 10:47:03 pm
...wow. That's just... wow. On a side note, words cannot describe how much I hate those emoticon face things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 11, 2013, 10:56:31 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 11, 2013, 10:31:23 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e38f1a57112c805c4629407808b0f220/tumblr_msnmgvcigK1sblth0o1_500.jpg)

*minding my own business* (◡‿◡✿)
What did you say? (ʘ‿ʘ✿)
Somebody hold mah flower. (ʘ‿ʘ)ﾉ✿

I'm gonna go kick some ass.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 11, 2013, 11:40:19 pm
Looking at that Scummy-World chick's blog, I'm fairly certain she's a troll. She's way too over the top.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 11, 2013, 11:53:18 pm
Quote
"I’m only attracted to caucasians–it’s not racist; just my personal preference.
Junior Nuclear Engineering Major

Tagged: Racism White Privilege Privilege Denial Shit Rich College Kids Say Dating tw racism racism tw Junior Nuclear Engineering Major Junior Nuclear Engineering Major Nuclear Engineering Engineering For those of you who aren't getting this This is the same as saying people of color aren't attractive jesus christ

No, darling, it's not the same.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 11, 2013, 11:58:28 pm
The thing is when a few people of color say they don't date white people out of preference, white people say the exact same thing. Just saying. It's a hypocritical response to be pissed a person of color for that response and not do the same for the many white people who do the same.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 12, 2013, 12:05:32 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/056eeb2da039e32d8efa88c6867d58b2/tumblr_mqpwjdaYzM1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Assuming this isn't a troll... how, exactly, can you be both trans-racial and otherkin? Are you a fantasy creature trapped in the body of an Asian/black/etc. person trapped in the body of a white person?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 12, 2013, 12:07:01 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 11, 2013, 11:53:18 pm
Quote
"I’m only attracted to caucasians–it’s not racist; just my personal preference.
Junior Nuclear Engineering Major

Tagged: Racism White Privilege Privilege Denial Shit Rich College Kids Say Dating tw racism racism tw Junior Nuclear Engineering Major Junior Nuclear Engineering Major Nuclear Engineering Engineering For those of you who aren't getting this This is the same as saying people of color aren't attractive jesus christ

No, darling, it's not the same.

Think about it like this: Person A says that he only wants to have sex and/or relationship with white people or Estonian people or red heads or people who don't smoke or whatever.

Even if one or more of those limits are considered "racist" what are you going to do about it? Say that he does not have a right to discriminate and order that of a non-white/non-Estonian/etc. person wants to have sex with person A then person A does not have the right to deny that? Because racism?

I'm sure that some of the people who say that they would have a preference on who they would go out with ARE racist, but unless you are willing to take away their control over their own body there is nothing you can do. (And that certainly sounds like something some of the "niceguys" have been suggesting.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 12, 2013, 12:15:19 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/98c8592ad907683058e3ae4d5bd1ddda/tumblr_msxywc0TGD1rnk1fqo1_500.png)

Are you fucking serious? So, wanting your child to not have to deal with the struggles of being born with a serious medical condition makes you a bad person now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 12, 2013, 12:16:45 am
The question is why do your personal parameter exist? For example lets look at grindr. Guys who say they block all Asians because Asian men are submissive (a racial stereotype), feminine (a racial stereotype), twinkish (a racial stereotype). It's obvious that that person believes  in a racial type-casting of Asian men. It's not the same as saying dating a non-smoker because you want to avoid secondhand smoke.

Now the interesting thing is that this is also the same side of the coin as racial fetishes, like dating Asians specifically because of those racial stereotype.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on September 12, 2013, 12:22:18 am
The way I see it, when it comes to a romantic or sexual partner, that's the one area where you are allowed to be discriminatory, for various compatibility reasons. You might call that way of thinking problematic or whatever, but I think it'd be hard to make a relationship work where one party either doesn't find the other attractive for whatever arbitrary reason or if they have nothing in common interest-wise. Some people have hangups about stupid things, or very specific interests when it comes to sexuality. (also there's the fact that if a person actually is prejudiced against a certain ethnicity/orientation/what-have-you for whatever reason, people who are part of that ethnicity/whatever don't want to be dating said person anyway, I'd think.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 12, 2013, 12:28:48 am
I agree though. You should have preferences for compatibility reasons, but one should question the basis of those preferences from time to time. The person being quoted in post could have a valid reason for their preference. What irked me was Brain Fritz dismissive response because there really are a lot of people out there (cross racial boundries) who think race X is ugly based entirely on stupid stereotypes and dismiss it as "just a preference". Like I mentioned, grindr is plenty evidence of that.

Moving on: You know what's awesome? Being accused of being ableist for saying homophobes are ignorant. Because I'm apparently belittling other people's cognitive differences by stating their ideas are inferior to others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 12, 2013, 12:34:17 am
Except the tags make it clear they think it applies to all similar situations. Oh, I find X attractive to me personally and not Y. Except now I'm a whatever-ist because I don't personally find Y attractive to me. It's not like I'm saying what god awful ugly creatures Ys are, or putting down people who find Y attractive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 12, 2013, 12:42:33 am
Missed my point, did ya?

Let's play it reverse:
"I don't date white people because they have droopy eyes, skin like unbaked roll (god I hate that phrase), and beards like bird nest and no ass. Just a preference."
Vs.
"I don't date white people because I am not accustom to them."

Would you argue that the former is not problematic?

But if all you say is "I don't date white people. Just a preference" how are you gonna tell if that is or isn't problematic?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 12, 2013, 12:52:56 am
Nope. I was only clarifying why I made the "dismissive" comment in regards to the tags.

As for "I don't date X people. Just a preference." It seems like an innocuous enough statement. Nice and neutral, without needing to split hairs. If I asked a black girl out and she told me she only prefers to date other black people I'd shrug it off as her preference and walk on. It's only if a pattern of obvious racism becomes apparent that the original statement was problematic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 12, 2013, 01:02:29 am
And that's what I was irked about. There so many white folks out there who think "ew Asians gross" or "ew Black gross" that if they see a quote like "I’m only attracted to caucasians–it’s not racist; just my personal preference" without more context they invoke Schrödinger's racist. But your response is "OMG SJW OVERACTING". Get it?

And again, it should be obvious from my disdain of "the unbaked roll" quote that I think people of color can say stupid shit too. Especially since the tumblr people who used that quote were white/white passing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 12, 2013, 01:12:00 am
We're going to have to agree to disagree. I think looking for problems with a neutral statement is a trait of SJWishness. The person being quoted didn't call non white people unattractive, they just said white people were their preference. The tumblr blogger took it to mean that the person was calling all nonwhite people ugly. They were finding racism in a neutral statement.

If the person being quoted had said something overtly racist I'd be cheering the blogger on for pointing out the stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 12, 2013, 01:16:17 am
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 12, 2013, 12:28:48 am
Moving on: You know what's awesome? Being accused of being ableist for saying homophobes are ignorant. Because I'm apparently belittling other people's cognitive differences by stating their ideas are inferior to others.

I would love to know how this works. Ignorance has nothing to do with cognitive functions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 12, 2013, 02:17:37 am
I will gladly admit to not being attracted to certain people who often fit into specific racial categories. It's entirely one of personal preference, based on personally not being attracted to particular morphological features. I'm not attracted to very many black or Asian women because their facial features are not what I prefer. I've also been attracted to Asian and black women who had atypical morphological differences (typically from being partially Caucasian or Hispanic). And I HAVE been called racist purely for not being attracted to specific features.

Said person went on for quite a long time arguing that we should completely ignore our preferences and date people of color whether or not we were specifically attracted to them so we could give them a better evolutionary chance.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 12, 2013, 03:07:14 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on September 12, 2013, 02:17:37 am
I will gladly admit to not being attracted to certain people who often fit into specific racial categories. It's entirely one of personal preference, based on personally not being attracted to particular morphological features. I'm not attracted to very many black or Asian women because their facial features are not what I prefer. I've also been attracted to Asian and black women who had atypical morphological differences (typically from being partially Caucasian or Hispanic). And I HAVE been called racist purely for not being attracted to specific features.

Said person went on for quite a long time arguing that we should completely ignore our preferences and date people of color whether or not we were specifically attracted to them so we could give them a better evolutionary chance.

Because that doesn't sound racist at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on September 12, 2013, 06:40:15 am
I find certain features beautiful, but not sexually attractive. I had a black girl as a model once, and spent hours geeking over her skin tone and trying to paint it in a way that would do justice to the dark chocolatey feeling that you got looking at her. But even though I find her skin color aesthetically very pleasing, I could not be sexually attracted to her because of it : I like very pale girls and/or light brown "métisse" girls (don't know how to translate that word in a non-offensive way, keeping the french term which isn't racially charged).

Does that make me racist? I think not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: PosthumanHeresy on September 12, 2013, 06:47:59 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 12, 2013, 01:16:17 am
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 12, 2013, 12:28:48 am
Moving on: You know what's awesome? Being accused of being ableist for saying homophobes are ignorant. Because I'm apparently belittling other people's cognitive differences by stating their ideas are inferior to others.

I would love to know how this works. Ignorance has nothing to do with cognitive functions.
Because we live in a society where opinions cannot be wrong and people are horrified if you tell someone that they did something badly, said something incorrect or inform them of being wrong at all, really.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 12, 2013, 08:38:14 am
Quote from: PosthumanHeresy on September 12, 2013, 06:47:59 am
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 12, 2013, 01:16:17 am
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 12, 2013, 12:28:48 am
Moving on: You know what's awesome? Being accused of being ableist for saying homophobes are ignorant. Because I'm apparently belittling other people's cognitive differences by stating their ideas are inferior to others.

I would love to know how this works. Ignorance has nothing to do with cognitive functions.
Because we live in a society where opinions cannot be wrong and people are horrified if you tell someone that they did something badly, said something incorrect or inform them of being wrong at all, really.

This, dear children, is what comes of the constant bleating of "everyone's a winner!"  Nope, there are losers, deal with it.  Deal with the loss, and make it into a success later on down the line.  That, children, is one of the ways in which we learn.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 12, 2013, 01:06:19 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/0ea1178ea0234029ee1bfd1503ea7262/tumblr_msxncgFROz1rq01f1o1_500.png)

HOLY OVERREACTION BATMAN!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 12, 2013, 01:09:47 pm
Man... Take a Prozac or something...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on September 12, 2013, 01:25:01 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 12, 2013, 01:09:47 pm
Man... Take a Prozac or something...

Drink some booze! Good *lord*... and I thought I had issues!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on September 12, 2013, 01:31:11 pm
I like how she accuses him of sexism, but then starts complaining about racism, even though he didn't mention her race at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 12, 2013, 01:53:59 pm
I don't think I've ever seen a bigger overreaction.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 12, 2013, 02:06:28 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 12, 2013, 12:15:19 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/98c8592ad907683058e3ae4d5bd1ddda/tumblr_msxywc0TGD1rnk1fqo1_500.png)

Are you fucking serious? So, wanting your child to not have to deal with the struggles of being born with a serious medical condition makes you a bad person now?

Seriously. How the fuck is "I would rather my children by healthy" construed as "If my children aren't healthy, I will not love them"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on September 12, 2013, 02:23:07 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 12, 2013, 12:05:32 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/056eeb2da039e32d8efa88c6867d58b2/tumblr_mqpwjdaYzM1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Assuming this isn't a troll... how, exactly, can you be both trans-racial and otherkin? Are you a fantasy creature trapped in the body of an Asian/black/etc. person trapped in the body of a white person?

Yes.  I am an Italian by looks, but inside that, I'm Mongolian, inside THAT I'm a unicorn, and inside that I'm a nougaty cream filling.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 12, 2013, 03:31:08 pm
Kinception
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 12, 2013, 04:11:32 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 12, 2013, 02:06:28 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 12, 2013, 12:15:19 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/98c8592ad907683058e3ae4d5bd1ddda/tumblr_msxywc0TGD1rnk1fqo1_500.png)

Are you fucking serious? So, wanting your child to not have to deal with the struggles of being born with a serious medical condition makes you a bad person now?

Seriously. How the fuck is "I would rather my children by healthy" construed as "If my children aren't healthy, I will not love them"?

Didn't you know?  Saying you'd rather your child be healthy is exactly like saying that disabled people are subhuman!  There's a difference between accepting a condition as it happens, and wishing that condition on someone.  I wonder how many in the ableism tag that say shit like that actually have, or know someone who has, a really debilitating condition.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 12, 2013, 05:09:15 pm
Quote from: TheL on September 12, 2013, 02:23:07 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 12, 2013, 12:05:32 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/056eeb2da039e32d8efa88c6867d58b2/tumblr_mqpwjdaYzM1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Assuming this isn't a troll... how, exactly, can you be both trans-racial and otherkin? Are you a fantasy creature trapped in the body of an Asian/black/etc. person trapped in the body of a white person?

Yes.  I am an Italian by looks, but inside that, I'm Mongolian, inside THAT I'm a unicorn, and inside that I'm a nougaty cream filling.

Prove it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on September 12, 2013, 05:22:39 pm
Quote from: ironbite on September 12, 2013, 05:09:15 pm
Quote from: TheL on September 12, 2013, 02:23:07 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 12, 2013, 12:05:32 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/056eeb2da039e32d8efa88c6867d58b2/tumblr_mqpwjdaYzM1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Assuming this isn't a troll... how, exactly, can you be both trans-racial and otherkin? Are you a fantasy creature trapped in the body of an Asian/black/etc. person trapped in the body of a white person?

Yes.  I am an Italian by looks, but inside that, I'm Mongolian, inside THAT I'm a unicorn, and inside that I'm a nougaty cream filling.

Prove it.

*cuts TheL open*

No nougaty cream filling inside. Just the usual blood 'n guts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 12, 2013, 07:18:30 pm
Save the brain.  I need it for necromancy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 12, 2013, 08:10:58 pm
The idea of anyone on this forum having the power of necromancy scares the shit out of me. Nothing good could come from it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 12, 2013, 08:40:42 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 12, 2013, 08:10:58 pm
The idea of anyone on this forum having the power of necromancy scares the shit out of me. Nothing good could come from it.

We had a rash of necromancy awhile ago.  It went away.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 12, 2013, 11:18:36 pm
Glug glug glug, delicious! Cartman was right, tears are fucking delicious!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 13, 2013, 08:44:46 am
Did I post this already?

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/386e9a41695fb0c80e145a71f7850b9d/tumblr_ms7n8jmoik1qfemaco1_r1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 13, 2013, 08:51:41 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 12, 2013, 08:40:42 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 12, 2013, 08:10:58 pm
The idea of anyone on this forum having the power of necromancy scares the shit out of me. Nothing good could come from it.

We had a rash of necromancy awhile ago.  It went away.

Yeah, that was a nasty rash but the ointment helped.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 13, 2013, 11:37:09 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 13, 2013, 08:44:46 am
Did I post this already?

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/386e9a41695fb0c80e145a71f7850b9d/tumblr_ms7n8jmoik1qfemaco1_r1_500.png)

Pretty sure you haven't.

Urgh, my headache's too bad to come up with a snarky remark to that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on September 13, 2013, 12:27:42 pm
Okay, when I first saw it I didn't read the text thoroughly and thought that maybe they honestly meant well. Now I read it and... ugh. Just no.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 13, 2013, 12:36:52 pm
At first I was going to ask what was wrong with it, but like Random up there it kinda sunk in on retrospect and... yeah...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 13, 2013, 12:38:33 pm
And now that I'm feeling better I can come up with a snarky remark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6UAYGxiRwU
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 13, 2013, 12:42:10 pm
Great, now I've got that song in my head.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 13, 2013, 02:46:20 pm
.....WHAT'S SO WRONG ABOUT THAT STATEMENT!  TELL ME BEFORE I KILL THIS RANDOM PIG!

Pig-OINK!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 13, 2013, 02:58:28 pm
I'll quote someone who summed it better than I did:

1) Straight people do not need safe spaces. You have the entire world.
2) The struggle for lgbtqia+ rights & liberation is not about you or your “contributions". It has very little to do with you, if at all. Stop making it about you. (Really, you have some nerve.) The fact that you need to take something that is not and has never been about you and make it entirely about you and what YOU do for it means that a) you don’t actually give a shit about the people you’re claiming to want to “help,” and b) you’re not actually being an ally to anyone but yourself.
3) "MORE EFFECTIVE" BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT "EMOTIONALLY BIASED" DEAR LORD DO YOU THINK THIS IS A FUCKING GAME GO STEP ON A SEA OF LEGOS YOU HAVE FAILED SO MISERABLY

And in my own words: GAY PEOPLE SUPPORTING STRAIGHT PEOPLE, REALLY? Please tell me you're taking the piss.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2013, 03:07:21 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 12, 2013, 08:10:58 pm
The idea of anyone on this forum having the power of necromancy scares the shit out of me. Nothing good could come from it.
Who better to fight the abuses of our rights than those who died defending them?  If anything, the world needs more necromancers on the side of good.  Just because you raise the dead to fight doesn't mean they're not fighting for a good cause.

I like where this is going...I might have some inspiration, here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 13, 2013, 03:54:45 pm
Quote from: ironbite on September 13, 2013, 02:46:20 pm
.....WHAT'S SO WRONG ABOUT THAT STATEMENT!  TELL ME BEFORE I KILL THIS RANDOM PIG!

Pig-OINK!

It's a straight "ally" who is trying to make everything about themselves.  Instead of promoting gay rights, they're promoting themselves for supposedly sticking up for gay rights.

It's one of those "What, you want a cookie or something?" deals.  And there are some straight allies out there who actually do deserve some cookies because they actually do shit, not just go "Oh hey, I'm for gay rights, I'm AWESOME, everybody praise me."

It would be like me going around talking about how, because I'm for trans rights, trans people should thank me and be more appreciative of me.  When I haven't done shit for the movement.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on September 13, 2013, 08:15:05 pm
As I said in the Confessions thread:

Quote from: Alehksunos on September 10, 2013, 10:30:32 pm
I've honestly have [had] enough of people saying "I support women's rights" and "I support LGBT rights". I mean, it's nice you support such, but I've seen it so much that I think it should be replaced with "I'm not a fucking asshole," and I honestly don't think a lot of people need to say that.

Except there are a lot of assholes who are unwilling to just admit it, just because.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 13, 2013, 09:04:51 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 13, 2013, 02:58:28 pm
I'll quote someone who summed it better than I did:

1) Straight people do not need safe spaces. You have the entire world.
2) The struggle for lgbtqia+ rights & liberation is not about you or your “contributions". It has very little to do with you, if at all. Stop making it about you. (Really, you have some nerve.) The fact that you need to take something that is not and has never been about you and make it entirely about you and what YOU do for it means that a) you don’t actually give a shit about the people you’re claiming to want to “help,” and b) you’re not actually being an ally to anyone but yourself.
3) "MORE EFFECTIVE" BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT "EMOTIONALLY BIASED" DEAR LORD DO YOU THINK THIS IS A FUCKING GAME GO STEP ON A SEA OF LEGOS YOU HAVE FAILED SO MISERABLY

And in my own words: GAY PEOPLE SUPPORTING STRAIGHT PEOPLE, REALLY? Please tell me you're taking the piss.

The absolutely worst part is that they're excluding LGBTQ people unless they happen to be talking about straight people, which is all kinds of fucked up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 13, 2013, 10:38:31 pm
Yep. There's a reason I have a GDI Allies and GDI straight people tag for my blog.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 14, 2013, 01:44:52 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2013, 03:07:21 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 12, 2013, 08:10:58 pm
The idea of anyone on this forum having the power of necromancy scares the shit out of me. Nothing good could come from it.
Who better to fight the abuses of our rights than those who died defending them?  If anything, the world needs more necromancers on the side of good.  Just because you raise the dead to fight doesn't mean they're not fighting for a good cause.

I like where this is going...I might have some inspiration, here.

I'm just imagining an army of gay and transsexual zombies now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 14, 2013, 02:04:50 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 13, 2013, 10:38:31 pm
Yep. There's a reason I have a GDI Allies and GDI straight people tag for my blog.

What about NOD? How do they feel about you?

Just kidding, but what does GDI stand for? I tried googling and it comes up with "God Damn It" "Goddamn Independent" "Gay Doctors of Ireland" but I doubt it's one of those.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 14, 2013, 02:05:37 am
...it means God Damn It. Dunno what the hell NOD is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on September 14, 2013, 02:18:57 am
As a matter of fact, I am actually impressed with LGTB allies who actually do something. I once saw a perfectly straight guy take a beating to defend a trans guy he didn't personally know. That is admirable, in every sense of the term. I mean, LGTB people fighting for their right is a good thing in and of itself, but actually putting yourself on the line for a group you're not a part of is in many ways a form of heroism.

Then again, you don't get cookies (and you don't really get to call yourself an ally) if you're just a random person who happens not to be against LGTB gaining equal rights, or doesn't personnally perform racists or sexists acts. That's called not being an asshole, and while it is a good thing, it not admirable. There is a reason the term ally is borrowed from military parlance : you get to call yourself one if you fight for another's rights (said fighting can of course take the form of publishing an article, or marching in the street, or helping along the cause in small ways ; you don't need to get beaten up for it, but you should do something.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 14, 2013, 03:51:10 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 14, 2013, 02:05:37 am
...it means God Damn It. Dunno what the hell NOD is.

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080204152729/cnc/images/2/22/Nod_logo.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 14, 2013, 04:38:34 am
Kane lives!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 14, 2013, 04:52:05 am
Let me try and translate this:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/55e03c9207ab25344b6ced24f488c676/tumblr_mt0xyt3lh61ryeto5o1_500.png)

What they meant to say: "The person who said this is a douchenozzle."
What came out: "Date rape is thin privilege."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on September 14, 2013, 07:03:34 am
I can turn that right around:

"Fat privilege is not constantly worrying about if you're going to be raped at any second."

CHEK UR PRIVLEG!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 14, 2013, 07:07:08 am
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on September 14, 2013, 07:03:34 am
I can turn that right around:

"Fat privilege is not constantly worrying about if you're going to be raped at any second."

CHEK UR PRIVLEG!!!

Except the person never said that being assaulted was a thin privilege, and it's kind of fucked up to assume that a woman won't be/has never been sexually assaulted just because she's fat. The way the post was worded is pretty bad, but the point she made is a fair one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on September 14, 2013, 07:18:03 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 14, 2013, 07:07:08 am
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on September 14, 2013, 07:03:34 am
I can turn that right around:

"Fat privilege is not constantly worrying about if you're going to be raped at any second."

CHEK UR PRIVLEG!!!

Except the person never said that being assaulted was a thin privilege, and it's kind of fucked up to assume that a woman won't be/has never been sexually assaulted just because she's fat. The way the post was worded is pretty bad, but the point she made is a fair one.

Okay, yeah, reading it more carefully it seems she was complaining more that someone said that nobody would want to drug her due to her weight rather than complaining that no one would want to sexually assut her. I agree, that point is a bit better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 14, 2013, 05:40:58 pm
Quote

megahoppip:
boycotting pyroar due to nintendo’s gender binary bullshit

matthiscitrus:
Are you fucking kidding me? Do you realize that
Sexual dimorphism is a real thing
Lions are possibly the most commonly cited example of it
These pokemon are based on lions

Ironbite-when Tumblr social justice warrior doesn't understand nature.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 14, 2013, 06:23:29 pm
Quote from: ironbite on September 14, 2013, 05:40:58 pm
Quote

megahoppip:
boycotting pyroar due to nintendo’s gender binary bullshit

matthiscitrus:
Are you fucking kidding me? Do you realize that
Sexual dimorphism is a real thing
Lions are possibly the most commonly cited example of it
These pokemon are based on lions

Ironbite-when Tumblr social justice warrior doesn't understand nature.

Ahahahahahahah I'm so fucking amused.

It's a troll, I'm sorry to disappoint you. (http://megahoppip.tumblr.com/post/61125545748/matthiscitrus-megahoppip-boycotting-pyroar-due)

Quote
1. female lions will make 80% of a male lions salary for doing the exact same job
2. female lions get cat called when walking down the street
3. they have to carry mace literally everywhere at night in case of hyenas or scar
have you seen the video for blurred lions we have a long way to go
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 14, 2013, 06:45:30 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/300e79c771cacee9e245d40c31681273/tumblr_ms2m8e0FcE1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

These blogs need to start actually reading their submissions.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 14, 2013, 06:57:55 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 14, 2013, 06:45:30 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/300e79c771cacee9e245d40c31681273/tumblr_ms2m8e0FcE1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

These blogs need to start actually reading their submissions.

Or worse, they DO read them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 14, 2013, 07:55:40 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 14, 2013, 06:45:30 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/300e79c771cacee9e245d40c31681273/tumblr_ms2m8e0FcE1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

These blogs need to start actually reading their submissions.



Wait wait wait...she took a shit in his wastepaper bucket because she was having a mental breakdown and is getting fired for it?

Ironbite-or am I insane?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 14, 2013, 09:03:54 pm
(http://media.tumblr.com/2119c870bf0259ec7b48ca1d7360f48a/tumblr_inline_mt00whn5Bf1qz4rgp.png)

(http://media.tumblr.com/260651ce2b3b2db3d8e9bbc976e49720/tumblr_inline_mt00xdbLCj1qz4rgp.png)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/103eead1398a4875a1d2efa2d1fb3bf3/tumblr_ms4175HQMj1roocgho3_400.png)

(http://media.tumblr.com/d9086fb05b592d100ad294b633f4a53d/tumblr_inline_mt00vuRn7T1qz4rgp.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 14, 2013, 09:05:57 pm
The more I see from that chick, the more I'm convinced she's trolling.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 14, 2013, 09:13:21 pm
A...American t-traitors!?

Excuse me, the ridiculousness of that statement... I can't even...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 14, 2013, 09:16:19 pm
Anyone who knows anything about African American history is facepalming right now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 14, 2013, 09:49:36 pm
Yeah, my Trolldar is really going off with those posts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 14, 2013, 09:51:34 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 14, 2013, 09:05:57 pm
The more I see from that chick, the more I'm convinced she's trolling.

Yeah, but some of those posts are horrible regardless.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1123205784abf5ed3cb74fb8da947001/tumblr_ms4175HQMj1roocgho5_400.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/843a9a5b187496156eb8e7534073fbdf/tumblr_ms4175HQMj1roocgho4_400.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/843a9a5b187496156eb8e7534073fbdf/tumblr_ms4175HQMj1roocgho4_400.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on September 14, 2013, 10:11:31 pm
In regards to the 'sex is domination of the weak' thing, what if the woman is the dominant one in a relationship?

I'd also like to see their reaction to a woman raping a man, since they said that deep down no woman would want to have sex with a man.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 14, 2013, 10:15:31 pm
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on September 14, 2013, 10:11:31 pm
In regards to the 'sex is domination of the weak' thing, what if the woman is the dominant one in a relationship?

I'd also like to see their reaction to a woman raping a man, since they said that deep down no woman would want to have sex with a man.

The radfems in general claim that it's either impossible, or it's not rape, or it's what men deserve.

Dunno what a troll account would claim.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 14, 2013, 10:16:31 pm
Tsk... A woman can't rape a man.  Men ALWAYS want it, you know...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on September 14, 2013, 10:22:01 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 14, 2013, 10:16:31 pm
Tsk... A woman can't rape a man.  Men ALWAYS want it, you know...

Yeah, but according to them, the woman wouldn't want it, so what reason would they have to rape them in the first place?

Now that I think about it, I'd also like to see what they (and radfems in general) would say about sexuality in animals. Are they also brainwashed by the patriarchy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 14, 2013, 10:26:40 pm
Technically, rape is a power thing, not a "I NEED TO HAVE SEX NOW WHERE IS THE NEAREST ORIFICE" thing.

That just makes it worse, mind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 15, 2013, 02:55:35 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/20f5d4d264bd7e784311577a872858c1/tumblr_mmkn4q66bE1r7i3yho1_500.jpg)

No.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on September 15, 2013, 02:57:02 am
Oh, it's someone from the mirror universe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 15, 2013, 03:10:19 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 15, 2013, 02:55:35 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/20f5d4d264bd7e784311577a872858c1/tumblr_mmkn4q66bE1r7i3yho1_500.jpg)

No.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 15, 2013, 04:20:40 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/43bf811c73c31cdd81068d7f914063f9/tumblr_mf17tvpT3O1rjifb1o1_500.jpg)

And here we see my main problem with GSA/QSA. (And some straight allies as a whole)

Oh, I almost forgot to mention: please be aware of going to that straight ally voices blog. There are a ton of triggers. Plus their fucking symbol was used by the fucking nazis to point out the gays queer people.

And shit like this:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/3f8b3d10c36a35e498eedc401def984f/tumblr_msdgd2q5hw1st3j3bo1_500.jpg)

Quote
i wish i had gay friends to harrass about their sex life

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/16f8f31a4d36ccfa0bf3be1c35ee4a3d/tumblr_mhgbbt7lTE1r1gumxo1_400.jpg)

Quote
Kicked out of the LGBT community?
republicanbrony:
Yes, I’m afraid it’s true. /:
I wish I could fight for equality with them, instead of next to them. I wish there was an S for “Straight” in the acronym. The acronym means being proud for your sexuality after all, doesn’t it? Hm…
Well, I still have my straight pride! Even if those of the LGBT community do not want my identity in their acronym, I can still be a proud ally and heterosexual! :)

Ugh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on September 15, 2013, 08:49:23 am
"I'm not racist. I'm just of the opinion that whites are far superior. Stop hating me for being different!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 15, 2013, 10:25:29 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 15, 2013, 03:10:19 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 15, 2013, 02:55:35 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/20f5d4d264bd7e784311577a872858c1/tumblr_mmkn4q66bE1r7i3yho1_500.jpg)

No.

I dunno. That might be appropriate if you live on Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 15, 2013, 01:35:09 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on September 15, 2013, 10:25:29 am
I dunno. That might be appropriate if you live on Tumblr.

Some parts of Tumblr, maybe.

That being said, I do find the irony delicious.  That these "straight pride" people are living in fear that they'll eventually be treated like how they treat gay people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 15, 2013, 01:44:08 pm
Quote
Kicked out of the LGBT community?
republicanbrony:
Yes, I’m afraid it’s true. /:
I wish I could fight for equality with them, instead of next to them. I wish there was an S for “Straight” in the acronym. The acronym means being proud for your sexuality after all, doesn’t it? Hm…
Well, I still have my straight pride! Even if those of the LGBT community do not want my identity in their acronym, I can still be a proud ally and heterosexual! :)

There's already a name for the LGBT community plus straight people. It's called 'people'.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 15, 2013, 06:01:13 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d85b15dc124c58a3c318a4a10c6f92f7/tumblr_mt51x9ZLbj1rmluldo1_500.jpg)

MY SIDES ARE IN ORBIT HOLY SHIT!

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c7daa438587c5e9bea0857baa0979f51/tumblr_msa7f5Zq8V1sa3yn9o1_500.png)

Not everyone has to experience oppression first hand to know that oppression is wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 15, 2013, 06:51:17 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 15, 2013, 01:44:08 pm
Quote
Kicked out of the LGBT community?
republicanbrony:
Yes, I’m afraid it’s true. /:
I wish I could fight for equality with them, instead of next to them. I wish there was an S for “Straight” in the acronym. The acronym means being proud for your sexuality after all, doesn’t it? Hm…
Well, I still have my straight pride! Even if those of the LGBT community do not want my identity in their acronym, I can still be a proud ally and heterosexual! :)

There's already a name for the LGBT community plus straight people. It's called 'people'.

Telling straight they already have all the safe spaces = heterophobia and straight erasure apparently.

Quote from: thejebusfire on September 15, 2013, 06:01:13 pm
Not everyone has to experience oppression first hand to know that oppression is wrong.

True and it cuts both ways, there are people who believe an oppression doesn't exist just because they haven't personally experienced it, and there are those who think because you have benefited from an oppressive system you must be evil or something. It should be "oppression exist, and it isn't necessarily your fault if you benefited from it (unless you're actively trying to keep it going). You may not fully understand the experiences of an oppressed group, but you do have a moral obligation to fight against oppression." Or basically "learn to empathize and help out"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 15, 2013, 07:33:41 pm
Anyone who thinks that a man who benefits from Da Patriarchy is evil clearly doesn't understand what they're fighting. How exactly are we supposed to avoid every single advantage given to men?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 15, 2013, 09:39:13 pm
You're not. You're simply expected to realize what the advantages and privileges are and recognize that even if you don't personally experience said advantages, that they really do exist and the 'crazy women and queers' aren't just making it all up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 15, 2013, 09:53:34 pm
I have always wondered about people who shoot themselves in the foot trying to be special snowflakes. When I was an activist in the truest sense of the word (I participated in rallies, letter writing campaigns, and petitions) I always had one or two guys (it was always guys) tell me they didn't need some straight bitch's help. They didn't know I'm bi, and didn't seem to care when I told them.

I do tend to give people who talk about straight allies* the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they ran into some really nasty LGBT who would rather shriek "I can do it myself!" than accept help from a perceived enemy.

*Actual allies who are truly trying to help and not special snowflakes who want to be recognized for "being such a good person."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 15, 2013, 10:15:23 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/b6f46e47912b8f4fa30b774094af215f/tumblr_mrk42mtIdA1sa3yn9o1_500.png)

Or maybe they just needed to borrow a phone?

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f6479e6b7f98467288b225fa6dd7cda0/tumblr_mpqteuUuq61sa3yn9o1_400.jpg)

I... Wut...

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/b789e334478adb23a95a464e839ca8a1/tumblr_mpqstw91EN1sa3yn9o1_500.jpg)

If you honestly think that then you need therapy.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/f6b294192a1dfcb627c5979620a0cbbd/tumblr_mpsjca8roh1sa3yn9o1_500.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ALimvu6.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 15, 2013, 10:19:27 pm
Quiltbag?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 15, 2013, 10:37:54 pm
Fighting perceived monsters (whether real or imagined) so long they don't notice when they become one themselves. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 15, 2013, 10:53:44 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 15, 2013, 10:19:27 pm
Quiltbag?

According to Urban Dictionary:

Q - Queer and Questioning
U - Unidentified
I - Intersex
L - Lesbian
T - Transgender, Transsexual
B - Bisexual
A - Asexual
G - Gay, Genderqueer

"Hey, are you one of the QUILTBAG folk, too?"

"The lesbian community is just one of the many different pockets in the QUILTBAG!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on September 15, 2013, 11:14:10 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 15, 2013, 10:15:23 pm

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/f6b294192a1dfcb627c5979620a0cbbd/tumblr_mpsjca8roh1sa3yn9o1_500.jpg)


Radicalness?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 15, 2013, 11:17:34 pm
It's a couple of steps away from groovitude.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 15, 2013, 11:23:12 pm
This conversation is getting to be a few brownies away from a van down by the river.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 15, 2013, 11:23:44 pm
I hate the term Quiltbag. There's nothing wrong with LGBTQ/IA.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on September 15, 2013, 11:26:47 pm
"Quiltbag" sounds like an insult, like "scumbag," or "douchebag," or "dirtbag." Pretty much, if you stick -bag on the end of something, it sounds like an insult.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 15, 2013, 11:28:35 pm
Quote from: JohnE on September 15, 2013, 11:26:47 pm
"Quiltbag" sounds like an insult, like "scumbag," or "douchebag," or "dirtbag." Pretty much, if you stick -bag on the end of something, it sounds like an insult.

That's why I asked what it was. It sounded like a slur.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 16, 2013, 12:21:36 am
Sounds like what you'd call an old lady... you know... old bag... quilt... old people like to quilt... oh, never mind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 16, 2013, 12:27:24 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 16, 2013, 12:21:36 am
Sounds like what you'd call an old lady... you know... old bag... quilt... old people like to quilt... oh, never mind.

GET OFF THE STAGE!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 16, 2013, 12:29:15 am
(http://i.imgur.com/2he6JZl.jpg)

Yeah, this is not fabulous enough for our community image. At all.  ::)

We should do a thread project and come up with a better acronym, even include secondary letters from lesbian, gay, bisexual, etc. until it fucking well sounds good and fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 16, 2013, 12:39:39 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on September 16, 2013, 12:27:24 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 16, 2013, 12:21:36 am
Sounds like what you'd call an old lady... you know... old bag... quilt... old people like to quilt... oh, never mind.

GET OFF THE STAGE!

*Head down, trudges off the stage dejectedly*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 16, 2013, 05:01:03 am
http://whitepeoplewithbraids.tumblr.com/

Apparently white people wearing multiple braids in their hair is cultural appropriation now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 16, 2013, 05:36:11 am
Quote
Um. I think you’ll find that braids originated in Africa as a symbol of different tribes, status etc, and continue to be an aspect of African culture.

Um. I think you'll find that people have been braiding their hair all over the globe throughout history please for the love of God open up an anthropology book.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 16, 2013, 06:32:15 am
NEVER!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Auri-El on September 16, 2013, 06:46:42 am
Quote from: mellenORL on September 16, 2013, 12:29:15 am
(http://i.imgur.com/2he6JZl.jpg)

Yeah, this is not fabulous enough for our community image. At all.  ::)

We should do a thread project and come up with a better acronym, even include secondary letters from lesbian, gay, bisexual, etc. until it fucking well sounds good and fucking awesome.

What about GSM (gender and sexual minorities)? I've heard that used around here a few times.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 16, 2013, 10:31:23 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 16, 2013, 05:36:11 am
Quote
Um. I think you’ll find that braids originated in Africa as a symbol of different tribes, status etc, and continue to be an aspect of African culture.

Um. I think you'll find that people have been braiding their hair all over the globe throughout history please for the love of God open up an anthropology book.

Check your literacy privilege!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 16, 2013, 12:37:48 pm
Quote from: Auri-El on September 16, 2013, 06:46:42 am
Quote from: mellenORL on September 16, 2013, 12:29:15 am
(http://i.imgur.com/2he6JZl.jpg)

Yeah, this is not fabulous enough for our community image. At all.  ::)

We should do a thread project and come up with a better acronym, even include secondary letters from lesbian, gay, bisexual, etc. until it fucking well sounds good and fucking awesome.

What about GSM (gender and sexual minorities)? I've heard that used around here a few times.

/bad standup comedian> Sounds like, jism....or we could do SMG! But, it sounds like half of smegma. Or, how about GSM? Sounds like the back half of orgasm. Yeah! Or, wait, what about MSG? No, dammit! That's taken already, it's in a bottle in my pantry, and the homophobes will just joke about "We guarantee, NO MSG!"/comedian
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 16, 2013, 04:06:53 pm
On the otherkin with the therapist:

This makes me want to sit down next to him and lounge with my feet on his so called invisible tail, and should he ask me to move my feet, I'd bring them up and then crash em down harder on the empty air and see what happens.

These SJWs seem like they'd be a lot of fun to embarrass in public.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on September 16, 2013, 04:47:27 pm
I'd play a sound at a high enough pitch that dogs could hear it but humans can't, then only tell him about it after a minute or so of playing it to see what his reaction would be.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 16, 2013, 04:52:56 pm
I wouldn't even go that far.  I'd just say I've done that.

Ironbite-just to fuck with this guy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 16, 2013, 11:06:08 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 16, 2013, 05:36:11 am
Quote
Um. I think you’ll find that braids originated in Africa as a symbol of different tribes, status etc, and continue to be an aspect of African culture.

Um. I think you'll find that people have been braiding their hair all over the globe throughout history please for the love of God open up an anthropology book.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2013/4/3/1364998729279/african-hair-salon-beijin-010.jpg)

(http://www.swide.com/binaries/content/gallery/swide2/article-inside/2013/06/04/the-history-of-the-braid-from-ancient-egypt-to-modern-braided-hairstyles/braid-history-braids-hairstyles-native-american.jpg)

LOOK AT ALL THAT APPROPRIATION!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 16, 2013, 11:10:03 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 16, 2013, 11:06:08 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 16, 2013, 05:36:11 am
Quote
Um. I think you’ll find that braids originated in Africa as a symbol of different tribes, status etc, and continue to be an aspect of African culture.

Um. I think you'll find that people have been braiding their hair all over the globe throughout history please for the love of God open up an anthropology book.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2013/4/3/1364998729279/african-hair-salon-beijin-010.jpg)

(http://www.swide.com/binaries/content/gallery/swide2/article-inside/2013/06/04/the-history-of-the-braid-from-ancient-egypt-to-modern-braided-hairstyles/braid-history-braids-hairstyles-native-american.jpg)

LOOK AT ALL THAT APPROPRIATION!


YEAH BUT SEE THE FIRST ONE DOESN'T COUNT. RACE TRAITOR!!!11!!!

...I need to go wash... everything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 16, 2013, 11:26:43 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 16, 2013, 05:36:11 am
Quote
Um. I think you’ll find that braids originated in Africa as a symbol of different tribes, status etc, and continue to be an aspect of African culture.

Um. I think you'll find that people have been braiding their hair all over the globe throughout history please for the love of God open up an anthropology book.

At this point I'd support them opening the Bible and looking up one of Paul's many, many misogynistic screeds where he was railing against women with braided hair.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on September 18, 2013, 08:21:39 pm
Danish using his "queer ally" card to defend his use of slurs:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/355b13549b5e9f665acf1f72493fa976/tumblr_ms5rd7eFMg1qzpcyco1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 18, 2013, 08:25:49 pm
Oh my fucking god -_-
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 18, 2013, 08:48:34 pm
Is this Danish dude implying he's anything other than the cracker in my soup?  If that pic is HIM, then he's every bit as white as I am, and I damn near glow in the fucking dark.

That was BEFORE I drank the plutonium Kool-Aid, too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 18, 2013, 09:08:42 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 18, 2013, 08:48:34 pm
Is this Danish dude implying he's anything other than the cracker in my soup?  If that pic is HIM, then he's every bit as white as I am, and I damn near glow in the fucking dark.

That was BEFORE I drank the plutonium Kool-Aid, too.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1157423_10101431999972860_701961675_n.jpg)

Not that it excuses what he said, but he's definitely not white.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 18, 2013, 09:09:38 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 18, 2013, 08:48:34 pm
Is this Danish dude implying he's anything other than the cracker in my soup?  If that pic is HIM, then he's every bit as white as I am, and I damn near glow in the fucking dark.

That was BEFORE I drank the plutonium Kool-Aid, too.

That pic doesn't let you get a good look at him but he is, in fact, not white. (https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/560667_10100990577442150_235876703_n.jpg)

One would expect he should know better than use a slur and then pull the ally card, but stupidity knows no ethnic barriers.


ETA: Mlle beat me to it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 18, 2013, 09:26:56 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 18, 2013, 09:09:38 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 18, 2013, 08:48:34 pm
Is this Danish dude implying he's anything other than the cracker in my soup?  If that pic is HIM, then he's every bit as white as I am, and I damn near glow in the fucking dark.

That was BEFORE I drank the plutonium Kool-Aid, too.

That pic doesn't let you get a good look at him but he is, in fact, not white. (https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/560667_10100990577442150_235876703_n.jpg)

One would expect he should know better than use a slur and then pull the ally card, but stupidity knows no ethnic barriers.


ETA: Mlle beat me to it.

Okay, so he's not a cracker.  He's still an effing moron.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on September 18, 2013, 09:30:31 pm
What a moron. Some people refuse to admit that they're wrong and will use any defense imaginable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 18, 2013, 09:33:53 pm
Yeah, he's a jackass. In fact, this is one of the few legitimate cases of someone "pulling the race card" (much as I hate that phrase) when called out on their bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 18, 2013, 10:44:10 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 18, 2013, 09:26:56 pm

Okay, so he's not a cracker.  He's still an effing moron.

Most certainly, yes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on September 18, 2013, 11:54:11 pm
This person brought up a good point in the beginning of their post - namely, that having a mental illness, like depression, isn't an excuse to be an abusive little shit. But then it degenerates into this:

Quote
you know who is miserable and has the most privilege? white men. they kill themselves more than just about everyone, weak sauce ass privileged bitch ass dudes. who cares if you’re miserable? you’re miserable because you accept patriarchy and white supremacy. and when you reject white supremacy you still accept patriarchy. to the fullest. sooo… of course you are miserable. but i really dont care. i am miserable because of your acceptance of those systems. on top of being crushed by them. like men are so stupid. cry me a fucking river. women are more depressed for a reason… like a real reason. but you niggas get a little emotional and its the most dangerous fucking shit in the world because men aren’t supposed to be emotional. but wahhh you miserable. lol. AND?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Illusive Man on September 19, 2013, 12:51:42 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 18, 2013, 09:26:56 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 18, 2013, 09:09:38 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 18, 2013, 08:48:34 pm
Is this Danish dude implying he's anything other than the cracker in my soup?  If that pic is HIM, then he's every bit as white as I am, and I damn near glow in the fucking dark.

That was BEFORE I drank the plutonium Kool-Aid, too.

That pic doesn't let you get a good look at him but he is, in fact, not white. (https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/560667_10100990577442150_235876703_n.jpg)

One would expect he should know better than use a slur and then pull the ally card, but stupidity knows no ethnic barriers.


ETA: Mlle beat me to it.

Okay, so he's not a cracker.  He's still an effing moron.
Racism and idiocy knows not the boundaries of race, ethnicity, gender and sex. Please don’t equate skin color with the actions of idiot racists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 19, 2013, 12:53:52 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d480f34a669865ae3aff96a123ae1595/tumblr_mt97ozaqmf1sa3yn9o1_500.png)

This is wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on September 19, 2013, 08:45:53 am
Quote from: The Illusive Man on September 19, 2013, 12:51:42 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 18, 2013, 09:26:56 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 18, 2013, 09:09:38 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 18, 2013, 08:48:34 pm
Is this Danish dude implying he's anything other than the cracker in my soup?  If that pic is HIM, then he's every bit as white as I am, and I damn near glow in the fucking dark.

That was BEFORE I drank the plutonium Kool-Aid, too.

That pic doesn't let you get a good look at him but he is, in fact, not white. (https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/560667_10100990577442150_235876703_n.jpg)

One would expect he should know better than use a slur and then pull the ally card, but stupidity knows no ethnic barriers.


ETA: Mlle beat me to it.

Okay, so he's not a cracker.  He's still an effing moron.
Racism and idiocy knows not the boundaries of race, ethnicity, gender and sex. Please don’t equate skin color with the actions of idiot racists.

I don't think he's saying "White person! Racist!" The Danish guy said "don't ever presume to lecture a colored person about discrimination" and his tiny picture made it hard to tell if he was white or not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 19, 2013, 11:51:28 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/6312e3e907e22799314447f2a49f0be9/tumblr_mtb70a9oO11ryeto5o1_1280.png)

You are making a mockery of mental illness. Stop it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 20, 2013, 12:36:19 am
Jesus Christ but tumblr has forgotten the fucking point of trigger warnings. Trigger warnings serves as a way to communicate that a certain post or material may illicit strong psychological or physiological responses, especially in the case of survivors living with PTSD. So unless someone forced you to read Gatsby cannon as a form of torture, you will not be triggered by it.

Now if it was just "I don't like such and such a post" than fine. There is a solution for that it's called tumblr savior. Mine is full of shit I don't want to read.

Speaking of fucking bullshit:
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md8ag1DI4T1rv66qlo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 20, 2013, 01:35:09 am
Or, if you're me, you just use Tumblr Savior to block fandoms and hipsters:

(http://i39.tinypic.com/25qy78p.jpg)

I literally only downloaded it to block Doctor Who, Sherlock and Supernatural posts, but added a couple more as time went on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 20, 2013, 01:37:26 am
Thank God I wasn't the only one who wanted to block Supernatural.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 20, 2013, 01:39:45 am
Seriously, it's a mediocre show (same with Sherlock), yet Tumblr creams itself over it.

I've never watched Doctor Who, so I can't comment on it.

Edit: That reminds me, I remember coming across a Sherlock fangirl on Tumblr a while back who claimed that  "Elementary" was sexist, ableist, homophobic and racist before the show had even aired.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 20, 2013, 02:00:04 am
I for one like Sherlock.

But I'm not sure if I'm considered to be in the fandom since I don't ship the characters or write/read smutty fanfiction about them or even constantly talk about the show.

Which reminds me, that despite originally liking the new Doctor Who series I have somehow drifted away from it. I did like the 9th and 10th doctor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 20, 2013, 02:07:20 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 20, 2013, 01:39:45 am
Seriously, it's a mediocre show (same with Sherlock), yet Tumblr creams itself over it.

I've never watched Doctor Who, so I can't comment on it.

Edit: That reminds me, I remember coming across a Sherlock fangirl on Tumblr a while back who claimed that  "Elementary" was sexist, ableist, homophobic and racist before the show had even aired.

The homophobic argument is bullshit.
TUMBLR, homoeroticism is NOT the same as queer representation. I quote, it's NOT the same. So therefore cutting it out in Elementary was not the same as erasing queer people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 20, 2013, 02:14:57 am
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 20, 2013, 12:36:19 am
Jesus Christ but tumblr has forgotten the fucking point of trigger warnings. Trigger warnings serves as a way to communicate that a certain post or material may illicit strong psychological or physiological responses, especially in the case of survivors living with PTSD. So unless someone forced you to read Gatsby cannon as a form of torture, you will not be triggered by it.

Now if it was just "I don't like such and such a post" than fine. There is a solution for that it's called tumblr savior. Mine is full of shit I don't want to read.

Speaking of fucking bullshit:
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md8ag1DI4T1rv66qlo1_500.jpg)

Honey bee males die anyway since their penises and guts are ripped out during sex.  Frankly, getting the head and thorax crushed sounds much more painless.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 20, 2013, 07:13:41 am
My block list is two pages long. I'm probably going to wind up adding more to it.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 20, 2013, 11:42:06 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a331f3e8a4e7b46f83bbc42763cce157/tumblr_mt1vdhYz6r1qgslz1o1_400.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/4d071d72f806764635860349b7a371f8/tumblr_mt1vdhYz6r1qgslz1o2_500.png)

You couldn't be more wrong even if you wanted to. The "man" at the end of "woman" stands for human. Woman litteraly translates to "female human.' By taking out the “man” part, you’re taking out the part that makes women human. Way to go dumbass.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=woman
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on September 20, 2013, 12:05:11 pm
But Jebus, then they'd bitch about how that's only because of Da Patriarchy!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 20, 2013, 02:54:13 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 20, 2013, 01:39:45 am
Seriously, it's a mediocre show (same with Sherlock), yet Tumblr creams itself over it.

I've never watched Doctor Who, so I can't comment on it.

Edit: That reminds me, I remember coming across a Sherlock fangirl on Tumblr a while back who claimed that  "Elementary" was sexist, ableist, homophobic and racist before the show had even aired.

Your words hurt us so much.

Ironbite-so...so much.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 20, 2013, 03:31:52 pm
I'm a huge Sherlock Holmes fan, but I gotta admit I wasn't really into the idea of a modern day Holmes at first. The only reason I started watching Sherlock was because the lead actor said some stupid things and pissed off a bunch of people on Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SimSim on September 20, 2013, 04:31:24 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 20, 2013, 01:35:09 am
Or, if you're me, you just use Tumblr Savior to block fandoms and hipsters:

(http://i39.tinypic.com/25qy78p.jpg)

I literally only downloaded it to block Doctor Who, Sherlock and Supernatural posts, but added a couple more as time went on.
What is soft grunge?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 20, 2013, 04:38:13 pm
I didn't know where to put this so...

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/236ff5ac9ef15a4943847c7e617cde57/tumblr_mtfxyxTF0G1s19wfco1_500.png)

The blog that posted this is becoming one of my favorite blogs. It chronicles various things so-called 'allies' say to the queer community. Such as the one I posted. "Allies" seem to think same-sex marriage is the only issue out there for queer people. "Allies" ignore other things such as homelessness and hate crimes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 20, 2013, 04:40:01 pm
Soft grunge is what you get when a bunch of hipsters pretend to be badass by posting pictures of scraped knees and their expensive "alternative" clothing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 20, 2013, 04:54:42 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 20, 2013, 04:38:13 pm
I didn't know where to put this so...

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/236ff5ac9ef15a4943847c7e617cde57/tumblr_mtfxyxTF0G1s19wfco1_500.png)

Because its the right thing to do?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SimSim on September 20, 2013, 04:58:40 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 20, 2013, 04:40:01 pm
Soft grunge is what you get when a bunch of hipsters pretend to be badass by posting pictures of scraped knees and their expensive "alternative" clothing.
That has to be one of the stupidest things I've heard of.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 20, 2013, 05:00:31 pm
Quote from: SimSim on September 20, 2013, 04:58:40 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 20, 2013, 04:40:01 pm
Soft grunge is what you get when a bunch of hipsters pretend to be badass by posting pictures of scraped knees and their expensive "alternative" clothing.
That has to be one of the stupidest things I've heard of.
Its hipsters; once you think that they can be no more stupid, you are quickly and decisively proven wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 20, 2013, 09:25:26 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1fb8fb5225d9959ef639eff3515e36cf/tumblr_mspzwgtOzj1qa9wyvo2_500.png)

Putting this here because she has several posts saying that the patriarchy is trying to keep her down.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Patches on September 20, 2013, 09:46:30 pm
Damn it all, they've invaded the Legend of Korra fandom (http://derrierebender.tumblr.com/post/61804888294/hey-fandom) now:

Quote

Can we please not describe Bumi with words like ‘crazy’, ‘insane, ‘psycho’, etc. [or for any of the other characters for that matter].

Here are some non-ableist replacement words to use for Bumi: eccentric, erratic, random, odd, goofy, silly, quirky, bizarre, capricious, unreserved, impulsive… Look through a dictionary or thesaurus for more.

please & thank (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 20, 2013, 09:48:54 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 20, 2013, 09:25:26 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1fb8fb5225d9959ef639eff3515e36cf/tumblr_mspzwgtOzj1qa9wyvo2_500.png)

Putting this here because she has several posts saying that the patriarchy is trying to keep her down.

Yeah, damn that patriarchy, they just hate strong women who need their husbands to shield them from any and all criticism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 20, 2013, 09:54:26 pm
That's not hitting body language, or a violent stance Ramsey has.  That's more his "Trying to get something through your thick skull" look.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on September 20, 2013, 10:08:13 pm
Is that guy that looks fast asleep her husband?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on September 20, 2013, 10:13:00 pm
Now, a lesson on how to SJW:

Hey, it just occurred to me that I'm more of a POC than Redd. How so? I actually have a family member of African descent... my African Grey Parrot. That counts right? I mean that's more than Redd has last I checked. This means I can tell Redd to fuck off and automatically be right by her logic, right?

Quote from: thejebusfire on September 20, 2013, 11:42:06 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a331f3e8a4e7b46f83bbc42763cce157/tumblr_mt1vdhYz6r1qgslz1o1_400.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/4d071d72f806764635860349b7a371f8/tumblr_mt1vdhYz6r1qgslz1o2_500.png)

You couldn't be more wrong even if you wanted to. The "man" at the end of "woman" stands for human. Woman litteraly translates to "female human.' By taking out the “man” part, you’re taking out the part that makes women human. Way to go dumbass.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=woman

Didn't "man" in reference to male humans originally have a prefix which was dropped because people were lazy?

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 20, 2013, 10:15:36 pm
Quote from: clockworkgirl21 on September 20, 2013, 10:08:13 pm
Is that guy that looks fast asleep her husband?

Yes. They're being investigated because it's now believed their business may be a front for money laundering. Considering he's been convicted of it in other countries, not a real stretch.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on September 20, 2013, 10:35:09 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 20, 2013, 01:35:09 am
Or, if you're me, you just use Tumblr Savior to block fandoms and hipsters:

(http://i39.tinypic.com/25qy78p.jpg)

I literally only downloaded it to block Doctor Who, Sherlock and Supernatural posts, but added a couple more as time went on.

When I got Tumblr Savoir, I was disappointed to discover it only blocks posts on your dashboard instead of blocks post everywhere on Tumblr. That would be really nice if you are a lurker (like me) and if you had an account you could safely travel other people's blogs without having to see shit you don't like or just don't care for, yet the following is atrocious.

Oh, and the only thing I have blacklisted is "FerrisWheelShipping".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 20, 2013, 11:29:48 pm
Quote from: Brain Fritz on September 20, 2013, 09:25:26 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1fb8fb5225d9959ef639eff3515e36cf/tumblr_mspzwgtOzj1qa9wyvo2_500.png)

Putting this here because she has several posts saying that the patriarchy is trying to keep her down.

I swear we already had a Amy's Baking Co. thing.

She even has(had?) a tumblr. Tho we're still not sure if it was her or a very good actor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 20, 2013, 11:43:02 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on September 20, 2013, 10:13:00 pm
Now, a lesson on how to SJW:

Hey, it just occurred to me that I'm more of a POC than Redd. How so? I actually have a family member of African descent... my African Grey Parrot. That counts right? I mean that's more than Redd has last I checked. This means I can tell Redd to fuck off and automatically be right by her logic, right?

Quote from: thejebusfire on September 20, 2013, 11:42:06 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a331f3e8a4e7b46f83bbc42763cce157/tumblr_mt1vdhYz6r1qgslz1o1_400.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/4d071d72f806764635860349b7a371f8/tumblr_mt1vdhYz6r1qgslz1o2_500.png)

You couldn't be more wrong even if you wanted to. The "man" at the end of "woman" stands for human. Woman litteraly translates to "female human.' By taking out the “man” part, you’re taking out the part that makes women human. Way to go dumbass.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=woman

Didn't "man" in reference to male humans originally have a prefix which was dropped because people were lazy?



Yes. If I remember correctly it's "werman." It's were the term "werewolf" comes from.



Also, the husband admitted to stealing the wait staff's tips to Ramsey.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 21, 2013, 12:13:03 am
Werman or Wereman?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 21, 2013, 01:07:20 am
"Wereman" is the typical English version, but there were other variants ("wer", "wehr", "verr" etc.) in related languages, and since standardized spellings are relatively recent, I'm certain that "wereman" wasn't the only English spelling.

If I recall correctly, "woman" evolved as wifman -> wimman -> woman.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 21, 2013, 01:25:50 am
It's most likely the latter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 21, 2013, 02:09:20 am
Quote from: Patches on September 20, 2013, 09:46:30 pm
Damn it all, they've invaded the Legend of Korra fandom (http://derrierebender.tumblr.com/post/61804888294/hey-fandom) now:

Quote

Can we please not describe Bumi with words like ‘crazy’, ‘insane, ‘psycho’, etc. [or for any of the other characters for that matter].

Here are some non-ableist replacement words to use for Bumi: eccentric, erratic, random, odd, goofy, silly, quirky, bizarre, capricious, unreserved, impulsive… Look through a dictionary or thesaurus for more.

please & thank (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧

John Wayne Gacy was a really goofy, quirky, unreserved man.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 21, 2013, 02:17:46 am
Quote from: Patches on September 20, 2013, 09:46:30 pm
Damn it all, they've invaded the Legend of Korra fandom (http://derrierebender.tumblr.com/post/61804888294/hey-fandom) now:

Quote

Can we please not describe Bumi with words like ‘crazy’, ‘insane, ‘psycho’, etc. [or for any of the other characters for that matter].

Here are some non-ableist replacement words to use for Bumi: eccentric, erratic, random, odd, goofy, silly, quirky, bizarre, capricious, unreserved, impulsive… Look through a dictionary or thesaurus for more.

please & thank (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
I think they are talking about Avatar: The last airbender, not Legend of Korra. TLA had Bumi the eccentric/crazy/crazy-awesome king and Ang's childhood friend.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 21, 2013, 03:13:11 am
You haven't met Bumi then have you.

Ironbite-I think the name makes you insane.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 21, 2013, 04:39:38 am
Yeah Buumi 2 howls in his introduction.  He's certainly pretty damn nutters.

Awesomely so, mind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on September 21, 2013, 10:11:19 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 20, 2013, 04:38:13 pm
I didn't know where to put this so...

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/236ff5ac9ef15a4943847c7e617cde57/tumblr_mtfxyxTF0G1s19wfco1_500.png)

The blog that posted this is becoming one of my favorite blogs. It chronicles various things so-called 'allies' say to the queer community. Such as the one I posted. "Allies" seem to think same-sex marriage is the only issue out there for queer people. "Allies" ignore other things such as homelessness and hate crimes.

I would have thought one of the many "points" of legalizing SSM when you don't care to marry the same sex yourself is that it helps to "normalize" the LGBT community in the eyes of the average straight folk.  After all, it's hard to maintain a dividing line between "Us" and "Them" if we can look over the picket fence and see that "They" have spouses, kids, etc. just like "We" do.

The more straight people see LGBT as being another kind of normal, the less of a problem we'll have with the other nasty issues by default.  It won't mean we can all sit on our laurels and watch bigotry solve itself; however, it will make solving those issues possible in places where it isn't yet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 21, 2013, 10:14:28 am
Yeah but that's sensible.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2013, 10:20:52 am
Honestly, I'm hesitant to call non-straight folks "another kind of normal."  They're more just...humans.  Normalcy is a quaint ideal that ultimately means nothing when everyone is, in one way or another, "abnormal."  It just depends on how ya look at things.  I find enjoying Justin Bieber to be abnormal, but for others its perfectly normal.  Subjective terms are fun like that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 21, 2013, 02:12:05 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2013, 10:20:52 am
Honestly, I'm hesitant to call non-straight folks "another kind of normal."  They're more just...humans.  Normalcy is a quaint ideal that ultimately means nothing when everyone is, in one way or another, "abnormal."  It just depends on how ya look at things.  I find enjoying Justin Bieber to be abnormal, but for others its perfectly normal.  Subjective terms are fun like that.

If you go by the generally accepted definition of "normal", then LGBT is certainly abnormal: heterosexuality and cissexuality is the majority, making it the norm. By its very definition, being homosexual or transsexual makes you abnormal.

It's just that it's not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 21, 2013, 02:20:32 pm
Meh, normal is overrated anyway.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on September 21, 2013, 03:35:11 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on September 21, 2013, 02:12:05 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2013, 10:20:52 am
Honestly, I'm hesitant to call non-straight folks "another kind of normal."  They're more just...humans.  Normalcy is a quaint ideal that ultimately means nothing when everyone is, in one way or another, "abnormal."  It just depends on how ya look at things.  I find enjoying Justin Bieber to be abnormal, but for others its perfectly normal.  Subjective terms are fun like that.

If you go by the generally accepted definition of "normal", then LGBT is certainly abnormal: heterosexuality and cissexuality is the majority, making it the norm. By its very definition, being homosexual or transsexual makes you abnormal.

It's just that it's not a bad thing.

If we go by that definition, white people are abnormal. (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=2589.msg131641#msg131641)

We are after all a global minority...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2013, 04:56:11 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on September 21, 2013, 03:35:11 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on September 21, 2013, 02:12:05 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2013, 10:20:52 am
Honestly, I'm hesitant to call non-straight folks "another kind of normal."  They're more just...humans.  Normalcy is a quaint ideal that ultimately means nothing when everyone is, in one way or another, "abnormal."  It just depends on how ya look at things.  I find enjoying Justin Bieber to be abnormal, but for others its perfectly normal.  Subjective terms are fun like that.

If you go by the generally accepted definition of "normal", then LGBT is certainly abnormal: heterosexuality and cissexuality is the majority, making it the norm. By its very definition, being homosexual or transsexual makes you abnormal.

It's just that it's not a bad thing.

If we go by that definition, white people are abnormal. (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=2589.msg131641#msg131641)

We are after all a global minority...

Yay, I'm a minority!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on September 21, 2013, 05:00:33 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2013, 04:56:11 pm
Yay, I'm a minority!

A damn uppity one at that! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8ScFU0UxKWA#t=123)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2013, 05:04:27 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on September 21, 2013, 05:00:33 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2013, 04:56:11 pm
Yay, I'm a minority!

A damn uppity one at that! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8ScFU0UxKWA#t=123)

-narrows eyes-  We don't like yer kind 'round hyar...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on September 21, 2013, 07:14:58 pm
Anyone else notice how the Worst SJ thread maintains an almost perfect 3x size to the Best SJ thread. It's done this since at least when the were 27 and 9 pages respectively, if I'm remembering right. It seems to rarely vary from the perfect 3x page number by more than one page. just in the last day it seems to have gone from 31 and 93 to 32 and 97 (like I said, an occasional variation of one page).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 21, 2013, 07:20:46 pm
I noticed, but wasn't going to say anything lest I jinx whatever board hoodoo makes these things happen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 22, 2013, 12:49:01 am
I confess, it was I. I practiced Hoodoo and placed a hoodoo on these two threads, so as to voodoo this thread into being three times longer with a spell of Hoodoo.

So I hoodwinked you all with hoodoo.

Hoodoo.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 22, 2013, 01:00:06 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 22, 2013, 12:49:01 am
I confess, it was I. I practiced Hoodoo and placed a hoodoo on these two threads, so as to voodoo this thread into being three times longer with a spell of Hoodoo.

So I hoodwinked you all with hoodoo.

Hoodoo.

Do you have friends on the other side?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 22, 2013, 01:15:52 am
I think it's because discussing the loud vocal (and very crazy) minority is more interesting for some.

Like this shit for example:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/7faca13697084ec52a7a5ca8a2264d9c/tumblr_mqvoohOenX1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 22, 2013, 01:28:51 am
I'm still not convinced that these people are the minority in SJW.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 22, 2013, 10:18:26 am
Online they do seem to be the majority. A quick search of tumblr, livejournal, twitter, etc will pull up a lot more crazy than sane.

I'd like to believe that offline the SJA outnumber the SJW.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 22, 2013, 10:41:24 am
Quote from: askold on September 22, 2013, 01:28:51 am
I'm still not convinced that these people are the minority in SJW.

"SJW" (Social justice warrior) specifically refers to this kind of people. The general term for people who care about social justice and are not necessarily insane is Social Justice Advocate, or SJA.

That being said, the crazy ones are the minority. Some people might discuss where the line goes from insane to reasonable, but still.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 22, 2013, 11:24:57 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 22, 2013, 10:41:24 am
Quote from: askold on September 22, 2013, 01:28:51 am
I'm still not convinced that these people are the minority in SJW.

"SJW" (Social justice warrior) specifically refers to this kind of people. The general term for people who care about social justice and are not necessarily insane is Social Justice Advocate, or SJA.

That being said, the crazy ones are the minority. Some people might discuss where the line goes from insane to reasonable, but still.

I don't know. Even the supposed Sane Majority of the internet social justice crowd have some rather wacky opinions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 22, 2013, 01:08:59 pm
If you look to Reddit as an example of men, you'd think that the majority of the men on the internet were vile creepers who force themselves on women. If you look at any Dawkin's related forums, you'd think the majority of internet atheists were sexists racists scum bags that advocate the obliteration of anyone with a religious mindset. If you look at any radfem sites, you'd think the majority of internet feminist were rabid transphobe incapable of understanding that their concept of gender and sexuality doesn't exist cross-culturally.

But then you'll go into a defensive mode and exclaim "well Reddit doesn't represent all of us", "not all atheist are clueless", and you'd be right. So why is it that you look at tumblr and exclaim "that's the vast majority of social justice activists"? Especially when there's the Best of Social Justice thread showing their idea isn't as unfounded and inane as you preclude it to be.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on September 22, 2013, 01:34:20 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 22, 2013, 01:08:59 pm
If you look to Reddit as an example of men, you'd think that the majority of the men on the internet were vile creepers who force themselves on women. If you look at any Dawkin's related forums, you'd think the majority of internet atheists were sexists racists scum bags that advocate the obliteration of anyone with a religious mindset. If you look at any radfem sites, you'd think the majority of internet feminist were rabid transphobe incapable of understanding that their concept of gender and sexuality doesn't exist cross-culturally.

But then you'll go into a defensive mode and exclaim "well Reddit doesn't represent all of us", "not all atheist are clueless", and you'd be right. So why is it that you look at tumblr and exclaim "that's the vast majority of social justice activists"? Especially when there's the Best of Social Justice thread showing their idea isn't as unfounded and inane as you preclude it to be.

Cause it's fun to poke at minorities
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 22, 2013, 03:55:33 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 22, 2013, 11:24:57 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 22, 2013, 10:41:24 am
Quote from: askold on September 22, 2013, 01:28:51 am
I'm still not convinced that these people are the minority in SJW.

"SJW" (Social justice warrior) specifically refers to this kind of people. The general term for people who care about social justice and are not necessarily insane is Social Justice Advocate, or SJA.

That being said, the crazy ones are the minority. Some people might discuss where the line goes from insane to reasonable, but still.

I don't know. Even the supposed Sane Majority of the internet social justice crowd have some rather wacky opinions.

I don't agree with everything the self-identified social justice crowd* says, including the sane ones, but I think there's a significant distinction to make between that and the sort of thing quoted above.



*I'm not sure where "social justice advocates" end and "people who are against sexism/racism/etc" begin, I'm using self-identification as a simple line of separation
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 22, 2013, 06:34:49 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 22, 2013, 01:08:59 pm
If you look to Reddit as an example of men, you'd think that the majority of the men on the internet were vile creepers who force themselves on women. If you look at any Dawkin's related forums, you'd think the majority of internet atheists were sexists racists scum bags that advocate the obliteration of anyone with a religious mindset. If you look at any radfem sites, you'd think the majority of internet feminist were rabid transphobe incapable of understanding that their concept of gender and sexuality doesn't exist cross-culturally.

But then you'll go into a defensive mode and exclaim "well Reddit doesn't represent all of us", "not all atheist are clueless", and you'd be right. So why is it that you look at tumblr and exclaim "that's the vast majority of social justice activists"? Especially when there's the Best of Social Justice thread showing their idea isn't as unfounded and inane as you preclude it to be.

It has never not bothered me that apparently people are able to (usually) separate radfems from your average feminist, as well as atheists like Dawkins from your average atheist, and MRA Redditors from your average redditor but once you hit a point where people are fighting for more than just "gay marriage" people find it almost impossible to find a line of separation between SJW and SJA. Even with the firm evidence on these forums that it is indeed a vocal minority same as fundies are of Christianity and Islam.

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Someone please explain to me all this shit I’m seeing putting down allies.. Idek what to call it… Ally shaming?

You're missing a word 'shitty'. People are calling out shitty allies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 22, 2013, 09:42:34 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 22, 2013, 11:24:57 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 22, 2013, 10:41:24 am
Quote from: askold on September 22, 2013, 01:28:51 am
I'm still not convinced that these people are the minority in SJW.

"SJW" (Social justice warrior) specifically refers to this kind of people. The general term for people who care about social justice and are not necessarily insane is Social Justice Advocate, or SJA.

That being said, the crazy ones are the minority. Some people might discuss where the line goes from insane to reasonable, but still.

I don't know. Even the supposed Sane Majority of the internet social justice crowd have some rather wacky opinions.

I guess it's pretty easy to sit here and condemn other people for stuff that you have no personal involvement in, right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 22, 2013, 10:53:34 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 22, 2013, 01:08:59 pm
If you look to Reddit as an example of men, you'd think that the majority of the men on the internet were vile creepers who force themselves on women. If you look at any Dawkin's related forums, you'd think the majority of internet atheists were sexists racists scum bags that advocate the obliteration of anyone with a religious mindset. If you look at any radfem sites, you'd think the majority of internet feminist were rabid transphobe incapable of understanding that their concept of gender and sexuality doesn't exist cross-culturally.

But then you'll go into a defensive mode and exclaim "well Reddit doesn't represent all of us", "not all atheist are clueless", and you'd be right. So why is it that you look at tumblr and exclaim "that's the vast majority of social justice activists"? Especially when there's the Best of Social Justice thread showing their idea isn't as unfounded and inane as you preclude it to be.
It's been proven time and time again that ideas like "only whites can be racist" and "'cultural appropriation' is bad" are indeed both majority opinions in that particular crowd. Just because some are not loud and hysterical about it doesn't mean that these views are any less irrational.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 22, 2013, 11:06:34 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 22, 2013, 10:53:34 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 22, 2013, 01:08:59 pm
If you look to Reddit as an example of men, you'd think that the majority of the men on the internet were vile creepers who force themselves on women. If you look at any Dawkin's related forums, you'd think the majority of internet atheists were sexists racists scum bags that advocate the obliteration of anyone with a religious mindset. If you look at any radfem sites, you'd think the majority of internet feminist were rabid transphobe incapable of understanding that their concept of gender and sexuality doesn't exist cross-culturally.

But then you'll go into a defensive mode and exclaim "well Reddit doesn't represent all of us", "not all atheist are clueless", and you'd be right. So why is it that you look at tumblr and exclaim "that's the vast majority of social justice activists"? Especially when there's the Best of Social Justice thread showing their idea isn't as unfounded and inane as you preclude it to be.
It's been proven time and time again that ideas like "only whites can be racist" and "'cultural appropriation' is bad" are indeed both majority opinions in that particular crowd. Just because some are not loud and hysterical about it doesn't mean that these views are any less irrational.

Oh? Show me where that's the majority opinion. And also, it sounds like you're just looking for a reason to make yourself superior to these people. Talk about a pathetic attempt at boosting your own ego.

Also we've already had the discussion about different views of what racism means that didn't rely on what people like Riley thinks it means, but I guess we're gonna just write that off as irrational right? Political incorrectness gone mad, I tells ya.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 22, 2013, 11:24:30 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 22, 2013, 11:06:34 pm
Oh? Show me where that's the majority opinion.
I suppose I can dig up Smurfette's old Tumblr thread if you want. Or perhaps one of those Flame and Burn threads in which you yourself were quite vehemently pushing that idea.
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 22, 2013, 11:06:34 pm
Also we've already had the discussion about different views of what racism means that didn't rely on what people like Riley thinks it means, but I guess we're gonna just write that off as irrational right? Political incorrectness gone mad, I tells ya.
The thing is, language doesn't work that way. Words have commonly accepted definitions which, believe it or not, you can't just arbitrarily redefine them to suit your own views and still expect to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 22, 2013, 11:29:13 pm
Oh goody, this again.

Hey guys, do you think it might be a good idea to take this to flame and burn if it's going to keep going down this path?

On the topic of discussion; the majority of both SJW and SJA that I've seen personally seem to have a hard time believing that a minority can have illogically held beliefs unless they happen to be going against an even more oppressed minority. Mind you, those are the ones I've seen.

It also appears to be a commonly held belief that to criticize any facet of social justice is to criticize them all. Take Queenofhearts saying that people who make fun of SJWs just like to laugh at minorities. Personally, I like to facepalm at idiots. And we have had some doozies in this thread. We've had cultural appropriation idiots saying that a dog should die because her owner culturally appropriated her name, Bindi. We've had discussions on "Schroedinger's rapist". We've had readfems who called all PIV sex rape. That shaming smokers is the same as shaming fat people. And that was the first five pages. Laughing/being terrified of those people isn't laughing at minorities. It's facepalming at special snowflake idiots.

That's why I'm always careful to hold a difference between an honest SJA and a wonky SJW.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 22, 2013, 11:38:04 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 22, 2013, 11:24:30 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 22, 2013, 11:06:34 pm
Oh? Show me where that's the majority opinion.
I suppose I can dig up Smurfette's old Tumblr thread if you want. Or perhaps one of those Flame and Burn threads in which you yourself were quite vehemently pushing that idea.
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 22, 2013, 11:06:34 pm
Also we've already had the discussion about different views of what racism means that didn't rely on what people like Riley thinks it means, but I guess we're gonna just write that off as irrational right? Political incorrectness gone mad, I tells ya.
The thing is, language doesn't work that way. Words have commonly accepted definitions which, believe it or not, you can't just arbitrarily redefine them to suit your own views and still expect to be taken seriously.

I am quite aware that I pushed that idea, in fact I've already pushed that idea in this very thread. (I have reading comprehension and memory privilege, am I right?) To which I pointed out:

1. You didn't have to accept that definition, only understand the position it comes from (a colonial one, fyi).
2. Describing discrimination against people of color as racist while describing discrimination against white people as something else doesn't diminish the fact that discrimination against white people is still bad. It's just stating they are different based context. The blogs I follow recognizes that, not that you'd care.

Also the idea that a word doesn't have different meaning is linguistically preposterous. If you'd bother to understand cultural linguistics (TW: showing my learning privilege), different groups and circles will have different understand of words. Words aren't stagnant. They evolve. If you don't believe the English you're speaking had better be the same as Beowulf's English.

I love how you assume I in any way represent SJW. Take a look at my blog, I'm fairly sure it isn't SJW. But this is what I mean though that SJW has become a way to dismiss people's concern. A woman talks about harrasment? She's an SJW. A native person talks about their culture in the global context? SJW. Anything that makes you think or uncomfortable? SJW.

Honestly, you're just as bad as Riley or Redd or Dion with your insistence of dismissing evidence, your staunch clinging on shitty behavior, and your inability to discern what is black or white and what isn't. You're not some grand wise man and the world doesn't need to cater to your sense of superiority.

Edit: Oh God, Schrödinger's Rapist again? We've already settle that in the Elevatorgate threads.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 22, 2013, 11:45:29 pm
--Mod Mode On--

Take it to Flame and Burn, please.  That way you can argue to your heart's content.

--Mod Mode Off--
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 22, 2013, 11:47:22 pm
Gladly
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 22, 2013, 11:56:30 pm
I'm hoping this is a poe, but:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/2d685546b181b07ff08c45125cdadfc8/tumblr_mr9n7nEFwr1sumxkfo3_500.jpg)

I wasn't aware diabetes, heart disease, strokes, etc aren't natural causes.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/cc09cf398500ecd470408495a7c1ecf2/tumblr_mr9n7nEFwr1sumxkfo4_1280.png)

Well, it could be because furniture crafted to hold weight in excess of 200 lbs takes more costly material.

Editing one more time for this little darling: http://mccormcorp.tumblr.com/post/43650795158/todays-fat-girl-rant

So, you want thin girls to die because they had the gall to buy plus sized clothing at the thrift store to repurpose? How sweet.

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Enjoy your idiot craft dress. I hope you forget a pin and it stabs you right in the labia.

Well, at least that's not death.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 22, 2013, 11:59:13 pm
Everyone's going to die of something.  What, do people want to die of nothing?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 23, 2013, 12:30:37 am
Just because something is in your size doesn't mean that it belongs to you. If a smaller person wants to buy something used and redesign it to fit them then that's their business. Stop being a little shit and get over it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 23, 2013, 12:52:25 am
I'm at the point where I really don't give a shit which definition of "racism" is used, provided that the individual is being reasonable about it and not derailing discussions in arguments over semantics.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 23, 2013, 08:22:37 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 23, 2013, 12:52:25 am
I'm at the point where I really don't give a shit which definition of "racism" is used, provided that the individual is being reasonable about it and not derailing discussions in arguments over semantics.

But...semantic pissing matches are such fun!  I'd jump into the water, myself, but I don't have any swimming trunks.  Plus, I hear the water hasn't been properly cleaned in some time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 24, 2013, 07:46:51 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/19c19de3ab864c35ae2f984174eb2af3/tumblr_mtm8qtr3Ln1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

... seriously?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 24, 2013, 11:27:31 am
Less able doesn't mean impossible you little shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 24, 2013, 02:38:51 pm
I'm diagnosed with ADHD and all I can say is

START FUCKING PAYING ATTENTION!

... :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 24, 2013, 04:59:06 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 24, 2013, 07:46:51 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/19c19de3ab864c35ae2f984174eb2af3/tumblr_mtm8qtr3Ln1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

... seriously?

Sorry, wasn't paying attention. What were we talking about?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 24, 2013, 05:14:26 pm
I don't have ADHD.  I just have IDGAF.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 24, 2013, 05:22:01 pm
I've actually heard that sometimes, Aspergers gets misdiagnosed as ADHD :B I have no idea if that's true or not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 24, 2013, 05:48:00 pm
I highly doubt it, unless we're talking really mild Asperger's.  I fail to see any connection between the two at all...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on September 24, 2013, 06:52:36 pm
Based on my personal experiences, I'd say that for some reason, ADHD seems to be the "generic" diagnosis. I don't know, maybe lazy doctors just use it as a catchall or something?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 24, 2013, 07:17:37 pm
I actually have a more logical explanation but I feel like nobody really gives a shit, we all know it was over-diagnosed in the 80s and 90s.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 24, 2013, 07:34:28 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 24, 2013, 07:46:51 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/19c19de3ab864c35ae2f984174eb2af3/tumblr_mtm8qtr3Ln1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

... seriously?

This sounds like the jerk who ruined my group who basically said people with social anxiety cannot be criticize.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 24, 2013, 07:56:04 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on September 24, 2013, 07:17:37 pm
I actually have a more logical explanation but I feel like nobody really gives a shit, we all know it was over-diagnosed in the 80s and 90s.

I give a shit!  I'm curious what ya got ta say.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 24, 2013, 08:15:04 pm
Well since somebody asked.

It's not so much lazy as something drastically unknown and something diagnosed at too early an age. Kids under 10 are bound to be hyperactive and unable to concentrate 9 times out of 10. I was diagnosed young, one of the first accurate ones, to be frank. Everyone wanted an excuse, everyone wanted a way to make things easier to raise their spawn. Pump them full of drugs and see what happens, yea? When those who don't even have the disorder would do with just a bit of discipline and not need the drugs that could fuck them up later in life (see below).

Unfortunately a lot of us, even if we actually did "need" the drugs now are suffering some rather poor affects. My blood pressure/heart rate has my early dependence on Adderall and its ilk to thank. All because people didn't know what in seven hells they were doing for the most part. Then again, experimentation was necessary, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on September 24, 2013, 10:15:15 pm
Yeah, I was diagnosed with ADD, later changed to ADHD, in the 90s. I think I'm probably closer to Aspergers to be honest; that is, if there's even anything there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 24, 2013, 11:13:08 pm
I know I've got ADHD, twas one of the ones that was diagnosed fairly early that was actually accurate.  Though, it helped that my father and brother had both been diagnosed with it previously, as well.  I do have a hard time concentrating, and medication helps a fair bit, but I am learning ways to compensate without it...ain't easy, but its doable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 25, 2013, 02:13:23 am
I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was being tested for Tourrette's Syndrome.  I was also diagnosed with OCD at the same time.  And of course, I was diagnosed with Tourrette's.

And as it turns out, Tourrette's, ADHD, and OCD are pretty much a package deal.  If you have Tourrette's, you're likely to have the other two as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on September 25, 2013, 02:57:00 am
I was diagnosed with ADD back in the 90's. A couple of years ago, my psychiatrist suggested I might have Asperger's. My mom and therapist are skeptical - my social skills are a lot better than what you'd expect for someone with Asperger's. Personally, I wonder whether or not I'm just using my intelligence to compensate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 25, 2013, 10:16:59 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on September 25, 2013, 02:57:00 am
I was diagnosed with ADD back in the 90's. A couple of years ago, my psychiatrist suggested I might have Asperger's. My mom and therapist are skeptical - my social skills are a lot better than what you'd expect for someone with Asperger's. Personally, I wonder whether or not I'm just using my intelligence to compensate.

I'm under the impression that, under the right circumstances, greater intelligence can help facilitate greater charisma.  Just requires the right kind of intelligence.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Bezron on September 25, 2013, 03:09:53 pm
I ADHD'd the hell out of this thread awhile ago....

Let's go ride bikes!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on September 25, 2013, 07:44:24 pm
ADHD here, and was once on so much Ritalin as a kid that it didn't calm me down.  It knocked me out.  As in 'dead asleep in half an hour and wouldn't wake up for at least 45 minutes' knock out.

Dad, being a teacher, and me being in 5th grade at the time, didn't put up with that shit for longer than a week.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 25, 2013, 07:47:20 pm
Quote
Die Cis Scum

This is probably one of the most controversial statements of the LGBQT movement. Not only is it confrontational toward cisgender people, it’s also confrontational to the allies within the LGBQT community—even those LGB folks who are cisgender. It’s an expression of frustration and anger by an oppressed group of people, and this has become a major sticking point for allies and potential allies.

Here’s why you should be saying it too.


The fact of the matter is, “Die Cis Scum” is a phrase that means way more than the face value. You need to understand, full-stop that Die Cis Scum is a phrase that you should understand means way more than just “Cisgender People Should Die”, and you need to comprehend the importance behind its meaning.

Die Cis Scum has about as much weight behind it as “Kill Whitey” or other expressions of frustration and hatred toward an oppressive class. And yes, if you are a cis person, whether a cis gay male or cis straight female or cis bi male or what have you, you are still part of an oppressive class. Being white, but poor, does not exclude you from “Kill Whitey”. It doesn’t matter if you have black friends, abhor The Man and etc., you are still part of an oppressive class.

By being a part of the majority, you by-default relay an oppressive force onto a minority group. If you never dip your toes into LGBQT situations, live a life entirely removed from the movement, never in any way attempt to demean/belittle/oppress LGBQT persons, and die peacefully at an old age without ever being an active oppressor, you were still an oppressor.

I know this probably doesn’t seem fair to you. You didn’t do a thing wrong, after all, but here’s the thing: you need to do something right.It isn’t enough to be neutral to things—if you aren’t an active ally, a supporter in some way, or in some capacity attempting to benefit non-cis people, you are still taking advantage of the inherent privileges of being a cis person.

Now I know to some of you, that p-word is like nails on a chalkboard, but privilege exists. You have advantages that non-cis people don’t. These aren’t limited to opportunities in life—that isn’t what privilege is. Privilege is not just the fact that you’re more likely to be hired to a job, or be accepted into an institution of higher education, or what have you. Cis privilege is literally the privilege of being considered “normal” by the majority of society. By being a part of the majority, and the majority looking after its own best interests, you reap the rewards of being a part of that majority purely by existing.

I’ll give an example. Cis privilege is already identifying as the gender that many others perceive you to be. You, as a hypothetical, stereotypical Cis White Hetero Male, carry the following privilege:

    You are not a racial minority. There is no majority racial group that has it in its best interest to oppress or ostracize you as a means to maintain the status-quo of their perceived “ideal society”
    You are not a gender minority. There is no majority gender group that has it in its best interest to oppress or ostracize you as a means to maintain their non-changing gendered society.
    You are not a sexual minority. There is no majority sexual group that has it in its best interest to oppress or ostracize you as a means to maintain their non-changed heterosexual society.

You are privileged because you are the only one that gets to utilize these basic human rights. Everybody has a right to not be oppressed or ostracized for their race, sexual orientation, or gender. In practice, only the majority group is capable of taking advantage of these rights because there is this false assumption that, by allowing minorities to also utilize their basic human rights, they may be taken away from the majority group.

Again: Privilege exists largely out of the fearful reaction that, if a minority group would be allowed to be equal to a majority group, that minority group would exert power over the majority group. Privilege exists because the oppressors are afraid of being oppressed.

Die Cis Scum, Kill Whitey, and other phrases of the like are being directed at you specifically to point out this fear. They are an expression of hatred and frustration by a minority that is not capable of exerting power over the majority group. If the majority group would simply cease to exist, to be entirely wiped off the face of the Earth, there would be an end to oppression of these groups wholly and entirely, with no uphill battle to fight because the majority group is fearful of giving too much “equality” away, lest they become an oppressed group. You can see this through every argument by people belonging to the majority group involved in race (Obama’s going to make us the slaves!!), feminism (Misandry, the fear of a matriarchy, and the fear that women will “only benefit and support women”),

And:

Trans/Non-Cis rights. ("I won’t support a movement that wants to kill me.")

The bottom line here is that you most likely participate in a culture that oppresses these minority groups. Oppression does not happen because of actions, but because of inaction. Inaction, and another word, a pretty important one, called performativity. Performativity is worthy of an update entirely of its own, though.

So for Friday’s update, we’re going to talk about performativity. Or, in layman’s terms: Why the jokes you make, shows you watch, and other aspects of culture are by their nature oppressive. You see, people alone aren’t oppressive—culture is.

And yes, this is going to involve “political correctness”. It means a lot more than you may have anticipated—but it is extremely important that you understand that being PC is not about “not hurting somebody’s feelings”.

See you then!

I'm hoping it's a poe since it's a brand new blog, supposedly being done by a cis white hetero male, that preaches how evil cis white hetero people are.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/44b388df16b8634dd26618e51cfe0873/tumblr_mtlixodiyS1s7dkmyo1_1280.jpg)

Cause threatening to murder people for not checking their privilege makes you the coolest badass ever.

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A game in which the most phallic shape is the most useful? Good job video game developers! When you place the phallic shape into the hole, you even get rewarded with points! If you play the game correctly the hole even gets destroyed.



Fucking misogynistic tetris.

I wish this person was a poe, so very badly. But their tumblr is full of "desu kawaii I'm so anime punk rocker men are bad proud to be a bitch girl" to the point it has to be leaking into their offline life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 25, 2013, 08:05:26 pm
Okay, two more and I'll stop for awhile. I seem to have found a goldmine tonight.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/71f04c6463b84827b7994713d92f7829/tumblr_msxzfarLln1rc29i6o1_1280.jpg)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/822500054bc616e13cccc4b60730f495/tumblr_msu3r5DpaE1qbe4juo1_1280.jpg)

Someone is claiming to have found this with their tip at Denny's. You sure showed that minimum wage server in one of the most grueling jobs in one of the worst restaurants in the country.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on September 25, 2013, 08:07:19 pm
Blogs that are really new and suddenly make a bunch of controversial posts are, more often than not, troll blogs. Most new tumblr users lurk a bit and start following other people before posting content themselves.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 25, 2013, 08:15:30 pm
Only the first one is new. The person claimed they made a new blog to correct people on how their interactions with the trans* community are going.

The others came from four separate blogs that looked to have been running for awhile.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9503a603c418598d5d2092c4119e39a7/tumblr_ms80cwREzG1sa3rxuo1_1280.jpg)

Oh dear. Just, oh dear. Please tell me that's photoshopped?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on September 25, 2013, 08:19:09 pm
In reference to the big list there: first, Jews are the most privileged ethnicity? Something tells me that this person believes all the "Zionist conspiracy" BS. Second, are they actually saying Native Americans are ore privileged than blacks? Cause the poverty levels on the reservations say otherwise.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 25, 2013, 08:55:34 pm
Also, apparently this person believes that a gay black guy has more privilege than a straight white chick.

And if this is truly intersectional, why is this person insisting that there are only four qualifiers when mapping out privilege? What about class, disabilities, religion, etc.? Or, you know, being truly intersectional and recognizing that social dynamics differ from region to region?

... or not forgetting to include Middle Easterners and South Asians (India, etc.) in the racial groups you list? (I'll be generous and assume that Aussie Aboriginals, Maori and indigenous South Americans were included under "Native"... although that opens a whole new can of worms with the privilege rankings...)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 26, 2013, 12:47:28 am
I am willing to admit that there is a thing called "privilege" but that long list of privileges...

Yeah, no. When you take several opressed groups and start complaining that x is 2.3% more privileged than y you are not really helping anyone. In fact rather than complaining about how "that person is on level 13 of privileges while I'm down on level 18!" causing a divide between opressed groups you could try to unite them or even appeal to everyone (wether they themselves are opressed or not) and try to help EVERYONE be equal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on September 26, 2013, 01:15:35 am
They're treating privilege and oppression as though it's linear. It's not. Treating like its linear is just oppression Olympic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on September 26, 2013, 01:17:21 am
Actually, Jewish is at the bottom of everything except straight cis males, where it's at the top. I'm not sure why.

Also, the privilege list doesn't mention bisexuality at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 26, 2013, 01:21:58 am
Quote from: gyeonghwa on September 26, 2013, 01:15:35 am
They're treating privilege and oppression as though it's linear. It's not. Treating like its linear is just oppression Olympic.

This. There are way too many factors involved to ever pin down some kind of precise privilege hierarchy.

Quote from: Random Guy on September 26, 2013, 01:17:21 am
Also, the privilege list doesn't mention bisexuality at all.

I remember one stupid privilege quiz that had bisexuals at +10 privilege (straight people were +20) because they figured that they'd have half of the privilege straight people did. Gay people were at something like -30 privilege, making the ranking system even wonkier.

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Actually, Jewish is at the bottom of everything except straight cis males, where it's at the top. I'm not sure why.

Having traits vary in order would actually make more sense, given that they can intersect in strange ways. Of course, cis male Jews being at the very top while Jewish people are at the bottom of all other rankings makes no sense and is probably just a screw-up on the creator's part, so they get no credit on that one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on September 26, 2013, 01:24:45 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 26, 2013, 01:21:58 am
I remember one stupid privilege quiz that had bisexuals at +10 privilege (straight people were +20) because they figured that they'd have half of the privilege straight people did. Gay people were at something like -30 privilege, making the ranking system even wonkier.

I saw that too. You'd think it would be -5.

That quiz also ignores anti-bisexual sentiments in the gay/lesbian community.

Another problem on the list: Cis people can be male or female, and either gay or straight. Trans people have neither a gender or sexuality listed. It's like "trans" is its own gender (no difference between MTF/FTM? Seriously?) and sexual orientation combined into one.

On that note, "trans" is often used as if it were a sexual orientation, as if it were merely another option among hetero/homo/bi/asexual. That's not true at all. Gender identity and sexual orientation are completely separate from one another and a trans person can be attracted to men, women, both, or none just like everyone else.

I think the acronym "LGBT" may be partially responsible for this misconception, as it suggests that "T" is in the same category as the other three letters.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 26, 2013, 01:35:07 am
Long story short, anyone who tries to make a hierarchy based on intersectionality clearly doesn't understand what intersectionality actually is, being that the whole point of it is that traits can combine in unpredictable ways, leading to unique and unquantifiable experiences.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on September 26, 2013, 01:35:19 am
Well, there's also The Guardian's privilege quiz (http://www.theguardian.com/society/quiz/2013/jun/05/check-your-privilege-quiz).

EDIT: Link WHOOPS
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 26, 2013, 01:37:00 am
Quote from: dpareja on September 26, 2013, 01:35:19 am
*NSFW link*

Might want to make sure your porn link isn't still on the clipboard before C&Ping something ;)

http://www.theguardian.com/society/quiz/2013/jun/05/check-your-privilege-quiz This is the actual link.

YOU JUST GOT MODDED: No offense, but since the link was NSFW I'm going to edit it out from here as well.
-Askold
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 26, 2013, 01:46:19 am
WHOOOOP!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on September 26, 2013, 01:55:52 am
100 out of 150.

I guess the few things I have to fear anymore are... some of these wackos mentioned throughout this thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 26, 2013, 02:10:14 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1df675778344c9f3dc6d829d39eb6572/tumblr_mr0jye3XZj1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

The self-righteousness here is particularly infuriating when you get to the bottom and see that this was written by a guy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 26, 2013, 02:21:55 am
The food chain would like a word with you, Gary.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on September 26, 2013, 02:47:48 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 25, 2013, 10:16:59 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on September 25, 2013, 02:57:00 am
I was diagnosed with ADD back in the 90's. A couple of years ago, my psychiatrist suggested I might have Asperger's. My mom and therapist are skeptical - my social skills are a lot better than what you'd expect for someone with Asperger's. Personally, I wonder whether or not I'm just using my intelligence to compensate.

I'm under the impression that, under the right circumstances, greater intelligence can help facilitate greater charisma.  Just requires the right kind of intelligence.

Well, I've got an IQ of 150, so the idea that I'm just brute forcing it isn't unreasonable.

But this is one area where the labels aren't that important. I've been in psychiatric care pretty much my entire life, so we've got a lot of test results and other documentation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 26, 2013, 08:54:55 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on September 26, 2013, 02:47:48 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 25, 2013, 10:16:59 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on September 25, 2013, 02:57:00 am
I was diagnosed with ADD back in the 90's. A couple of years ago, my psychiatrist suggested I might have Asperger's. My mom and therapist are skeptical - my social skills are a lot better than what you'd expect for someone with Asperger's. Personally, I wonder whether or not I'm just using my intelligence to compensate.

I'm under the impression that, under the right circumstances, greater intelligence can help facilitate greater charisma.  Just requires the right kind of intelligence.

Well, I've got an IQ of 150, so the idea that I'm just brute forcing it isn't unreasonable.

But this is one area where the labels aren't that important. I've been in psychiatric care pretty much my entire life, so we've got a lot of test results and other documentation.

*emphasis mine*

...Huh?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 26, 2013, 10:41:10 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 26, 2013, 02:10:14 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1df675778344c9f3dc6d829d39eb6572/tumblr_mr0jye3XZj1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

The self-righteousness here is particularly infuriating when you get to the bottom and see that this was written by a guy.

......what....the....fuck?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on September 26, 2013, 12:45:17 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 26, 2013, 02:10:14 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1df675778344c9f3dc6d829d39eb6572/tumblr_mr0jye3XZj1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

The self-righteousness here is particularly infuriating when you get to the bottom and see that this was written by a guy.
That has to be a joke.

Right?

Guys...?

Oh fuck he's actually serious, isn't he.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 26, 2013, 01:36:31 pm
It's not about power.


They just taste damn good.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 26, 2013, 02:27:46 pm
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i think it says a lot about our culture’s understanding of female sexuality that when a man can’t get an erection in movies he feels emasculated and acts miserable because he can’t “perform” and can’t please his partner and she comforts him as if sex is now off the table

like um you still have fingers and a tongue don’t you jesus fucking christ

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White men trying to talk to me about anarchy while obviously sizing up my breasts after I already said twice that I wasn’t interested in talking about a white man’s idea of anarchy

MAKE ME WISH I COULD PROJECTILE VOMIT ON CUE

Those came from different places. And the second was # tw: white men. White men is a trigger warning now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 26, 2013, 02:33:48 pm
I dunno the first one is pretty true... I've met many a man who doesn't seem to understand he has fingers and a tongue. lmfao. Hell, I've seen people bewildered that lesbians don't always use strap-ons and some are quite happy that way. But a discussion for another time, methinks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on September 26, 2013, 03:12:18 pm
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White men trying to talk to me about anarchy while obviously sizing up my breasts after I already said twice that I wasn’t interested in talking about a white man’s idea of anarchy

MAKE ME WISH I COULD PROJECTILE VOMIT ON CUE
What does she think anarchy is? Seem to that doing what you want (like staring at someone's breasts) regardless of whether or not other people want you to is a great example of anarchy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 26, 2013, 03:53:33 pm
I mainly put the first one up because the OP seems to be ignoring the fact that in a lot of healthy relationships sex is off the table if both partners can't enjoy it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on September 26, 2013, 04:38:06 pm
I think the problem with the first one is the tone of it.

If it was worded differently it could be good advice for someone with erectile dysfunction, but to me it just comes across as "How dare you be upset about not being able to get an erection!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 26, 2013, 05:10:29 pm
One of the Mass Effect blogs I follow is run by two SJWs, it seems. They have many times made posts telling people not to use the word 'stupid' because it's an ableist slur amongst other nonsense.

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"hey please don’t say “stupid” because a lot of people consider it an ableist slur and are hurt by it ♥"

That isn't to say that they never come up with good points (one of them was arguing about saying that Jack wasn't bisexual which I have to give props for because she was totally bisexual but people were trying to erase that part of her). It's just that some of the posts do indeed go into SJW territory.

At least they have the decency to tag things if people don't want to bother with it on a blog that is supposed to be only Mass Effect.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on September 26, 2013, 06:53:27 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 26, 2013, 08:54:55 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on September 26, 2013, 02:47:48 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 25, 2013, 10:16:59 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on September 25, 2013, 02:57:00 am
I was diagnosed with ADD back in the 90's. A couple of years ago, my psychiatrist suggested I might have Asperger's. My mom and therapist are skeptical - my social skills are a lot better than what you'd expect for someone with Asperger's. Personally, I wonder whether or not I'm just using my intelligence to compensate.

I'm under the impression that, under the right circumstances, greater intelligence can help facilitate greater charisma.  Just requires the right kind of intelligence.

Well, I've got an IQ of 150, so the idea that I'm just brute forcing it isn't unreasonable.

But this is one area where the labels aren't that important. I've been in psychiatric care pretty much my entire life, so we've got a lot of test results and other documentation.

*emphasis mine*

...Huh?!

*shrugs* I've been tested a bunch of times.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Radiation on September 26, 2013, 11:53:09 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on September 26, 2013, 01:55:52 am
100 out of 150.

I guess the few things I have to fear anymore are... some of these wackos mentioned throughout this thread.

I got 70 out of 150, I got too much privilege and need to check it hourly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 27, 2013, 12:40:47 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on September 26, 2013, 06:53:27 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 26, 2013, 08:54:55 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on September 26, 2013, 02:47:48 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 25, 2013, 10:16:59 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on September 25, 2013, 02:57:00 am
I was diagnosed with ADD back in the 90's. A couple of years ago, my psychiatrist suggested I might have Asperger's. My mom and therapist are skeptical - my social skills are a lot better than what you'd expect for someone with Asperger's. Personally, I wonder whether or not I'm just using my intelligence to compensate.

I'm under the impression that, under the right circumstances, greater intelligence can help facilitate greater charisma.  Just requires the right kind of intelligence.

Well, I've got an IQ of 150, so the idea that I'm just brute forcing it isn't unreasonable.

But this is one area where the labels aren't that important. I've been in psychiatric care pretty much my entire life, so we've got a lot of test results and other documentation.

*emphasis mine*

...Huh?!

*shrugs* I've been tested a bunch of times.

I'm glad that IQ tests are, from what I've heard, largely full of shit.  Because that's just fucking insane.

Okay, taking that privilege test seriously, I get 60/150, so I need to check my shit hourly.  Being a complete smartass, which is as one might expect, a damn sight more entertaining, I got 100/150.  Probably because I chose "money laundering" and filling a stolen car with explosives.  Hey, C-4 isn't cheap!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 27, 2013, 01:26:05 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/bc6ab24721d39fb22ff4b6eb00f23844/tumblr_msjepkYHmp1ryeto5o1_400.png)

OMG GUYZ STOP LIKEING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Illusive Man on September 27, 2013, 01:32:49 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 27, 2013, 01:26:05 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/bc6ab24721d39fb22ff4b6eb00f23844/tumblr_msjepkYHmp1ryeto5o1_400.png)

OMG GUYZ STOP LIKEING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!
Will persecute other cultures for the sake of not being persecuted. The cognitive dissidence there is hilarious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 27, 2013, 02:16:49 am
But fandoms can't being subculturist against jocks because subculturism = power + privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 27, 2013, 02:24:59 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 26, 2013, 01:37:00 am
Quote from: dpareja on September 26, 2013, 01:35:19 am
*NSFW link*

Might want to make sure your porn link isn't still on the clipboard before C&Ping something ;)

http://www.theguardian.com/society/quiz/2013/jun/05/check-your-privilege-quiz This is the actual link.

105 out of 150. I'm told to actually pay someone to check my privilege for me.

.....what? There's no way to make a serious answer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 27, 2013, 03:15:22 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 27, 2013, 02:16:49 am
But fandoms can't being subculturist against jocks because subculturism = power + privilege.

Also stereotyping everyone who likes football as being a jock.

I mean hell, I hate football, I hate jerk jocks, and I hate jerk jocks who obsess over football.

...But fuck if a buncha geeks don't also like football, ya kow?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on September 27, 2013, 08:19:10 am
Said Guardian quiz gets even funnier when you look at the answers and deliberately choose the ones that give as high and as low a score as possible (or even just submit a blank).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 27, 2013, 12:07:40 pm
Quote from: dpareja on September 27, 2013, 08:19:10 am
Said Guardian quiz gets even funnier when you look at the answers and deliberately choose the ones that give as high and as low a score as possible (or even just submit a blank).

It's difficult to tell exactly how much of the quiz is an Onion-style parody and how much is them actually trying to be semi-serious. Some of the questions have answers that can be sensibly chosen, while some of them are balls-to-the-wall ridiculous.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on September 27, 2013, 01:07:22 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 27, 2013, 01:26:05 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/bc6ab24721d39fb22ff4b6eb00f23844/tumblr_msjepkYHmp1ryeto5o1_400.png)

OMG GUYZ STOP LIKEING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!
I wasn't aware tumblr was supposed to be any kind of safe haven from anything, as far as I know, tumblr isn't supposed to be anything other than a blogging platform.. then again, maybe I've been using it wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on September 27, 2013, 04:20:56 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 27, 2013, 12:40:47 am

I'm glad that IQ tests are, from what I've heard, largely full of shit.  Because that's just fucking insane.


It's not. That does put me in the top percentile, but it's hardly unheard of.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on September 27, 2013, 05:55:23 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on September 27, 2013, 12:07:40 pm
Quote from: dpareja on September 27, 2013, 08:19:10 am
Said Guardian quiz gets even funnier when you look at the answers and deliberately choose the ones that give as high and as low a score as possible (or even just submit a blank).

It's difficult to tell exactly how much of the quiz is an Onion-style parody and how much is them actually trying to be semi-serious. Some of the questions have answers that can be sensibly chosen, while some of them are balls-to-the-wall ridiculous.

The test describes itself as "not-entirely-serious," which should be a dead giveaway that it is a parody made by people who don't actually understand what "privilege" means. It's similar to that graphic that made the rounds a while back where bisexuals got +10 privilege or something.

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 27, 2013, 03:15:22 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on September 27, 2013, 02:16:49 am
But fandoms can't being subculturist against jocks because subculturism = power + privilege.

Also stereotyping everyone who likes football as being a jock.

I mean hell, I hate football, I hate jerk jocks, and I hate jerk jocks who obsess over football.

...But fuck if a buncha geeks don't also like football, ya kow?

It's funny; one of my favorite Tumblr bloggers is a hardcore gymnastics fan.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on September 27, 2013, 06:27:43 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on September 27, 2013, 04:20:56 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 27, 2013, 12:40:47 am

I'm glad that IQ tests are, from what I've heard, largely full of shit.  Because that's just fucking insane.


It's not. That does put me in the top percentile, but it's hardly unheard of.

Ditto.  We don't know my exact score, but it's over 140, which is itself 3 standard deviations above the mean.  We're both in the top percentile.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on September 27, 2013, 07:14:00 pm
Quote from: TheL on September 27, 2013, 06:27:43 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on September 27, 2013, 04:20:56 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 27, 2013, 12:40:47 am

I'm glad that IQ tests are, from what I've heard, largely full of shit.  Because that's just fucking insane.


It's not. That does put me in the top percentile, but it's hardly unheard of.

Ditto.  We don't know my exact score, but it's over 140, which is itself 3 standard deviations above the mean.  We're both in the top percentile.

Last time I had an IQ test performed, I sat at 147. Personally, I have to agree with Ravy in thinking IQ is overrated. At best it's an ability to connect dots and make inferences.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on September 27, 2013, 07:31:46 pm
Quote from: TheL on September 27, 2013, 06:27:43 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on September 27, 2013, 04:20:56 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 27, 2013, 12:40:47 am

I'm glad that IQ tests are, from what I've heard, largely full of shit.  Because that's just fucking insane.


It's not. That does put me in the top percentile, but it's hardly unheard of.

Ditto.  We don't know my exact score, but it's over 140, which is itself 3 standard deviations above the mean.  We're both in the top percentile.

My last test put me at 142. If I were to take one right now it would be significantly lower due to the issues with pregnancy brain. Even the original test maker saw the inherit flaws in the test.

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This first intelligence test, referred to today as the Binet-Simon Scale, became the basis for the intelligence tests still in use today. However, Binet himself did not believe that his psychometric instruments could be used to measure a single, permanent and inborn level of intelligence (Kamin, 1995). Binet stressed the limitations of the test, suggesting that intelligence is far too broad a concept to quantify with a single number. Instead, he insisted that intelligence is influenced by a number of factors, changes over time and can only be compared among children with similar backgrounds (Siegler, 1992).

http://psychology.about.com/od/psychologicaltesting/a/int-history.htm
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 28, 2013, 02:03:04 am
IQ tests have many flaws, but one of the biggest is that it's almost impossible to truly quantify intelligence. The same test given to 5 people from 5 different cultures, levels of education, social classes, etc. will result in wildly different scores even if all of them are actually exactly the same intelligence.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on September 28, 2013, 02:15:02 am
Quote from: Daniel O'Brien
Here’s an important thing: You will never be owed sex. At any time. From anyone. There aren’t enough favors or good deeds you can do, and there will never be a large enough donation you could make in the Morality Bank to guarantee future sex. Do good things or be nice to a woman because they’re the things you want to and should do, but remember that one of the most important aspects of gettin’ all up in them guts is not believing that said guts are yours for the up-gettin’-in by right.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 28, 2013, 02:30:13 am
DoB is a nice guy.

Though, if sex is a service that you provide in exhange of a payment and you've just been paid for said service then you do owe sex to someone. Unless you refund them or something.

Seriosly though, a good advice from DoB.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 28, 2013, 07:34:20 am
Intelligence can't be accurately quantified anyways.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 28, 2013, 09:09:39 pm
Intelligence doesn't even have a well-agreed definition, so of course it's going to be difficult to quantize it accurately. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say it's more a vector than a scalar.

Still, whatever it is IQ tests measure, there's significant evidence that they measure something, and that something has some correlation with intelligence. A test doesn't have to be perfect to be useful, if given the proper weight.

To paraphrase a quote, the source of which I've forgotten: if you can't measure what really matters, you measure what you can and hope it turns out to be relevant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on September 29, 2013, 12:08:18 am
I've taken the IQ test a few times and always gotten 130, but some areas are consistently much higher than the average while relatively low, so the average score is a little misleading.

Unfortunately, the test results were also used by my school district to "prove" that I was supposedly "too smart" to have a learning disability.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 29, 2013, 12:26:04 am
IQ tests can provide a fairly accurate (if imperfect) prediction of a person's adeptness in a variety of areas, but there are a couple things to keep in mind:

1) An IQ test can only be considered usefull if it's standardized, accepted by the academic community, and administered by someone who is properly trained. Online IQ tests are fun to play around with and compare with friends, but they're not particularly meaningful.

2) The further someone deviates from the norm, the less accurate the results will be. Once you get over the 150s, the scores start to become pretty meaningless, with the only real result being "this person is really fucking smart".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on September 29, 2013, 12:26:05 am
That reminds me for some god-forsaken reason I had to take an IQ test to prove I needed help from the disability office at college as well as just simple placement. Even tho my disability is not only in my head but physically as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 29, 2013, 01:36:53 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on September 29, 2013, 12:08:18 am
I've taken the IQ test a few times and always gotten 130, but some areas are consistently much higher than the average while relatively low, so the average score is a little misleading.

Unfortunately, the test results were also used by my school district to "prove" that I was supposedly "too smart" to have a learning disability.

I tested high on an IQ score (Though the exact number escapes me, as it was quite a few years ago), but I was still confirmed to have a specific learning disability in Math. 

I think it depends on how your scores (and the area they're in) stack up to the average of people around you in the same age/grade level.   Beyond college in most, but bloody 6th grade level in math.  Blargh.

I think IQ (at least how I understand it) is measured mostly by the amount of information you can take in, retain, and spit back out again.   I'm probably wrong though as I've not really had to think about it much.  I don't give it much credence to the actual 'intelligence' of a person or lack of.  I've seen geniuses that were dumber than bags of hammers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on September 29, 2013, 02:40:33 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 29, 2013, 01:36:53 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on September 29, 2013, 12:08:18 am
I've taken the IQ test a few times and always gotten 130, but some areas are consistently much higher than the average while relatively low, so the average score is a little misleading.

Unfortunately, the test results were also used by my school district to "prove" that I was supposedly "too smart" to have a learning disability.

I tested high on an IQ score (Though the exact number escapes me, as it was quite a few years ago), but I was still confirmed to have a specific learning disability in Math. 

I think it depends on how your scores (and the area they're in) stack up to the average of people around you in the same age/grade level.   Beyond college in most, but bloody 6th grade level in math.  Blargh.

I think IQ (at least how I understand it) is measured mostly by the amount of information you can take in, retain, and spit back out again.   I'm probably wrong though as I've not really had to think about it much.  I don't give it much credence to the actual 'intelligence' of a person or lack of.  I've seen geniuses that were dumber than bags of hammers.

Also there are some geniuses who lack practical skills, such as the drive to actually organize themselves and use their wits to achieve something. Some of them focus only on their strengths and neglect anything they are average or below-average at, which results in an unbalanced skill set unsuited for most jobs. And since many schools and employers prefer well-rounded prospects, this can shut them out of many opportunities.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on September 29, 2013, 02:44:42 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on September 29, 2013, 02:40:33 am
Also there are some geniuses who lack practical skills, such as the drive to actually organize themselves and use their wits to achieve something. Some of them focus only on their strengths and neglect anything they are average or below-average at, which results in an unbalanced skill set unsuited for most jobs. And since many schools and employers prefer well-rounded prospects, this can shut them out of many opportunities.

This, everything you've said here, is my weakness in life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 29, 2013, 03:20:36 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/5fb706846d8efb86f7939695271bafb3/tumblr_mqsiqrBc0i1sa3yn9o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 29, 2013, 03:35:12 am
Quick, talk to her!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on September 29, 2013, 04:13:15 am
Damn. Do these people really mot realize the irony of claiming to represent the oppressed while at the same time hating someone simply for what they are? What does it take to even inflict that level of hostility?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 29, 2013, 08:27:13 am
I dunno my exact IQ number, I could never be arsed to take the exam.  I do, however, remember when I met my first psychiatrist when I was in...4th grade, methinks.  The first thing he did was give me a general intelligence test, and the results said I was college level in most aspects, while still being in elementary school.  Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 29, 2013, 01:07:11 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on September 29, 2013, 02:44:42 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on September 29, 2013, 02:40:33 am
Also there are some geniuses who lack practical skills, such as the drive to actually organize themselves and use their wits to achieve something. Some of them focus only on their strengths and neglect anything they are average or below-average at, which results in an unbalanced skill set unsuited for most jobs. And since many schools and employers prefer well-rounded prospects, this can shut them out of many opportunities.

This, everything you've said here, is my weakness in life.

Me too, when you get down to it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 29, 2013, 01:11:32 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on September 29, 2013, 04:13:15 am
Damn. Do these people really mot realize the irony of claiming to represent the oppressed while at the same time hating someone simply for what they are? What does it take to even inflict that level of hostility?

It's the strange condition in being "not the smartest bunny in the meadow".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 29, 2013, 03:13:03 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f6479e6b7f98467288b225fa6dd7cda0/tumblr_mpqteuUuq61sa3yn9o1_400.jpg)

We don't tolerate that shit here.


Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on September 29, 2013, 07:32:04 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 29, 2013, 03:13:03 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f6479e6b7f98467288b225fa6dd7cda0/tumblr_mpqteuUuq61sa3yn9o1_400.jpg)

We don't tolerate that shit here.

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I found so many awesome new ppl to follow tonight :333
but straight up, if you post pics of black people I will block you
none of that mess up on my dash

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I found so many awesome new ppl to follow tonight :333
but straight up, if you post pics of asian people I will block you
none of that mess up on my dash

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I found so many awesome new ppl to follow tonight :333
but straight up, if you post pics of latino people I will block you
none of that mess up on my dash
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 29, 2013, 09:43:13 pm
That girl saying she will be hostile and I will be offended.

I'd lay on the flirtation on her and see how long she lasts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 29, 2013, 10:28:59 pm
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slut shaming leads to victims being blamed for their rape

what does virgin shaming do? get you laughed at

lol


Shaming people because they don't have a lot of sex (or any at all) can still lead to people being pressured into having sex when they really don't want to.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 29, 2013, 10:34:25 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 29, 2013, 10:28:59 pm
Quote
slut shaming leads to victims being blamed for their rape

what does virgin shaming do? get you laughed at

lol


Shaming people because they don't have a lot of sex (or any at all) can still lead to people being pressured into having sex when they really don't want to.

Thus causing them to be shamed for not being virgins.  You just can't win with some folks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 29, 2013, 11:56:25 pm
Posting this as a link because it's really long:

http://torturedblackfiresignartist.tumblr.com/post/62651850457/tre-unfiltered-im-gonna-lose-followers-and

As much as I want to be angry over this, I can't be. It just saddens me how someone can have so much hate in their heart.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 30, 2013, 02:03:00 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 29, 2013, 11:56:25 pm
Posting this as a link because it's really long:

http://torturedblackfiresignartist.tumblr.com/post/62651850457/tre-unfiltered-im-gonna-lose-followers-and

As much as I want to be angry over this, I can't be. It just saddens me how someone can have so much hate in their heart.

I got to "The white race is a plague on our world" and closed it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on September 30, 2013, 03:13:58 am
Quote
Shut the entire fuck up. You do not get to police my anger at you pale faces. You don’t get to tell me how to respond to a system that oppresses me. I’ll wish a fuckin plague upon your houses if it so pleases me because at the end of the day, while whatever wish of misfortune I have for you may bring you discomfort I have not the means, nor the societal support to make my wishes reality.

Uh, no. Regardless of whether or not you have the means and societal support to pull it off, a person has every god damn right to be pissed at you if you wish death on them.

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We are not social justice warriors. We are PEOPLE. People who want to live in a world where human decency isn’t seen as a fucking abstract concept or “being too politically correct.” But for some reason, you all can’t seem to grasp that.

I guess maybe its because it would require you NOT be incredibly selfish. And possibly to HAVE a sense of empathy.

I might be onboard with this if it wasn't being used in defence of supporting genocide. You don't get to talk about human decency and empathy when you're wishing death on people. This is also particularly ironic, given this:

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I Don’t give a fuck, I don’t give two fucks, I don’t give red fucks, I don’t give blue fucks; you literally cannot fathom the extent or depth of the fucks I DO NOT GIVE about your peoples lives.

If you don't give a fuck about other people's lives base solely on their skin colour, sexual orientation, etc., you're a bad person. Full stop.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 30, 2013, 03:19:57 am
Actually if she didn't give a fuck she wouldn't be wishing death on people.

As it turns out, she's got a truckload of fucks and she's giving them out whether people want them or not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 01, 2013, 02:19:27 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/bece3e675cf9dcb841707e012aea26e0/tumblr_mqrq8gfKto1ryeto5o1_500.png)

"Fight the flab" does not literally mean attack fat people. Oh my god.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 01, 2013, 02:22:38 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 01, 2013, 02:19:27 pm
"Fight the flab" does not literally mean attack fat people. Oh my god.

What the fuck I'm fat and even I fucking knew that, what the fuck is wrong with this person.

Also "money making scam"?  GET OUT.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 01, 2013, 02:54:11 pm
It would only mean attack fat people if it said "Fight the flabby people"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on October 01, 2013, 04:39:39 pm
Wasn't sure where to put this, so here:

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Quote
fetishization of homosexuality? you mean…

you mean how lesbian porn is shot and directed towards men?

and in 90% of media that has the decency to show a lesbian relationship a character unironically finds it sexy and we’re supposed to laugh and agree with that character?

and how the representation of girl on girl relationships is so underdeveloped because many consider lesbians to be a taboo?

OH NO YOU MEAN A TEENAGE GIRL WROTE JOHNLOCK FANFICTION OH WELL IN THAT CASE.

Bonus points for m/m fanfic means being able to write (and read and think about and explore) romantic and sexual relationships without the baggage of power dynamics that are inherent to m/f relationships in our culture.

Anyway who knows anything about yaoi and slash knows that that second quote is all kinds of bullshit.  Yaoi and slash are positively riddled with power dynamics between two characters.  Or did seme/uke suddenly stop being a staple of yaoi?

Edit: I decided to put this here because this post comes off as 'yaoi fangirls thinking that they're more enlightened and progressive than they actually are.'
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 01, 2013, 04:54:30 pm
I've actually seen someone on Tumblr complaining about the seme/uke thing because they felt that gay relationships should not imitate the heterosexual power dynamics. (Though, personally I don't see why even a straigth relationship would need to have some sort of master/slave thingy going on. Not that such a thing would be wrong if those involved wish to have it.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 01, 2013, 05:36:15 pm
Quote from: askold on October 01, 2013, 04:54:30 pm
I've actually seen someone on Tumblr complaining about the seme/uke thing because they felt that gay relationships should not imitate the heterosexual power dynamics. (Though, personally I don't see why even a straigth relationship would need to have some sort of master/slave thingy going on. Not that such a thing would be wrong if those involved wish to have it.)

They think straight relationships have it (not "need to have it", but just plain have it) because of DA PATRIARCHY.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on October 01, 2013, 06:16:13 pm
I'm just going to throw into this thread all the people who think that PMS is a socially constructed illness and that people who suffer from it just have all their symptoms "in their head" because they've been brainwashed by the patriarchy. The irony of statements like these is that, historically speaking, PMS wasn't regarded as a legitimate problem until relatively recently because doctors assumed they were making it up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 01, 2013, 08:17:47 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 01, 2013, 06:16:13 pm
I'm just going to throw into this thread all the people who think that PMS is a socially constructed illness and that people who suffer from it just have all their symptoms "in their head" because they've been brainwashed by the patriarchy. The irony of statements like these is that, historically speaking, PMS wasn't regarded as a legitimate problem until relatively recently because doctors assumed they were making it up.

The Patriarchy actually genetically engineered woman to have PMS as part of their supression campaign.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on October 01, 2013, 10:57:03 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/5808d261d8020bb033b298397cf3cd3b/tumblr_mtz0mx50FJ1rrtv31o1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/182ced12388e9ea99c404ecad4d71955/tumblr_mtz0mx50FJ1rrtv31o2_1280.jpg)

This is ignoring the fact that Frozen is based on a Danish fairy tale (which I forgot its name. Was it The Ice Queen? The Snow Queen?) and there is no white-washing involved. No only where there no African peoples in Denmark at the time of its settings (like there are no non-whites in Brave and no non-Chinese people in Mulan), having a Black princess like in The Princess and the Frog (whose settling was in New Orleans, Louisiana, foreign to the original and conventional settings) would be impractical in this setting since Blacks cannot handle colder climates as easily as we Whites and even Asians.

Fans of the Disney Canon (and even "Non-canon", since the Walt Disney Company refuses to remember the failures of films like The Black Cauldron, Atlantis: The Lost Empire and Treasure Planet) are seriously getting worked up over another "White" Princess, when she is once again from Denmark a damn long time ago? And in a climate where the sun doesn't shine as often and its usually cold?

Also, nice watermark, whoever edited the image to adjust to a bunch of insipid complaints.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 01, 2013, 11:32:01 pm
Also, it makes perfect thematic sense for a snow-related character to be very pale with very light hair and blue eyes. Just like having someone related to fire would probably be a redhead, and someone related to the elemental force of Tumblr would be an obese, genderfluid white person (biologically female) who claims to be a POC with fifteen headmates who is part wolf.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on October 02, 2013, 12:06:08 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on October 01, 2013, 11:32:01 pm
Also, it makes perfect thematic sense for a snow-related character to be very pale with very light hair and blue eyes. Just like having someone related to fire would probably be a redhead, and someone related to the elemental force of Tumblr would be an obese, genderfluid white person (biologically female) who claims to be a POC with fifteen headmates who is part wolf.

I think I see what's going on here. They're confusing elemental snow character with an elemental special snow flake character.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 02, 2013, 12:15:14 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c5eb9e2261d441b926cec193ad77a8c1/tumblr_mtn2ugf8cv1sw4nqxo1_500.png)

Apparently I'm a lesbian with internalized heteronormative scripts.

(http://i.imgur.com/gszAS.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on October 02, 2013, 12:26:09 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 02, 2013, 12:15:14 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c5eb9e2261d441b926cec193ad77a8c1/tumblr_mtn2ugf8cv1sw4nqxo1_500.png)

Apparently I'm a lesbian with internalized heteronormative scripts.

(http://i.imgur.com/gszAS.gif)

The human brain runs scripts? Like a computer? How many gigs megs is your brain?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 02, 2013, 12:32:55 am
I think they're implying that bisexual women are basically lesbians who are brainwashed by society into believing that they're not supposed to like girls, so they're so warped that they try to trick themselves into being attracted to the evil patriarchy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 02, 2013, 12:33:50 am
Also note that according to that post female bisexuals are just victims of heteronormativity but male bisexuals are EVIL men who want to dominate women even if they aren't sexually compatible...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on October 02, 2013, 12:35:11 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 02, 2013, 12:15:14 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c5eb9e2261d441b926cec193ad77a8c1/tumblr_mtn2ugf8cv1sw4nqxo1_500.png)

Apparently I'm a lesbian with internalized heteronormative scripts.


How the ever loving fuck is being attracted to two genders heteronormative?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 02, 2013, 12:40:32 am
Quote from: askold on October 02, 2013, 12:33:50 am
Also note that according to that post female bisexuals are just victims of heteronormativity but male bisexuals are EVIL men who want to dominate women even if they aren't sexually compatible...

Because bi men in gay relationships don't exist! Apparently.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 02, 2013, 12:41:44 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 02, 2013, 12:40:32 am
Quote from: askold on October 02, 2013, 12:33:50 am
Also note that according to that post female bisexuals are just victims of heteronormativity but male bisexuals are EVIL men who want to dominate women even if they aren't sexually compatible...

Because bi men in gay relationships don't exist! Apparently.

I guess they just think that gay men are confused tools of the patriarchy trying to control each other by accident.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 02, 2013, 12:55:59 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 02, 2013, 12:40:32 am
Quote from: askold on October 02, 2013, 12:33:50 am
Also note that according to that post female bisexuals are just victims of heteronormativity but male bisexuals are EVIL men who want to dominate women even if they aren't sexually compatible...

Because bi men in gay relationships don't exist! Apparently.
Well that post did specifically say that bisexuals don't exist...

I really don't get the whole Bi-bashing that occurs in the GLBT circles. Usually "heteronormativity" gets thrown a lot in those complaints, like complaining that a bisexual person in a relationship with a person of different gender is somehow betraying the GLBT since he/she will benefit from heteronormativity and is "hiding" from the harassment and discrimination the others must face.

Am I the only one who finds ironic that there are people who start from: "We are different from you. We have the right to be different than you and should not be discriminated simply because we do not fit your norms." And end up discriminating other who do not fit THEIR norms and standards... "Everyone must live by the standards I have set because that is the only way to be free from the constraints of heteronormativity."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on October 02, 2013, 01:06:24 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on October 02, 2013, 12:41:44 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 02, 2013, 12:40:32 am
Quote from: askold on October 02, 2013, 12:33:50 am
Also note that according to that post female bisexuals are just victims of heteronormativity but male bisexuals are EVIL men who want to dominate women even if they aren't sexually compatible...

Because bi men in gay relationships don't exist! Apparently.

I guess they just think that gay men are confused tools of the patriarchy trying to control each other by accident.

One radscum argument about gay men and men in same-sex relationships said something along the lines of, "They are inherently diseased because it approximates patriarchal power structures." Despite the fact that evidence shows same-sex relationships are more likely to be egalitarian in the distribution of relationship roles and household chores, etc., than opposite-sex relationships.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 02, 2013, 08:04:12 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on October 02, 2013, 12:26:09 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 02, 2013, 12:15:14 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c5eb9e2261d441b926cec193ad77a8c1/tumblr_mtn2ugf8cv1sw4nqxo1_500.png)

Apparently I'm a lesbian with internalized heteronormative scripts.

(http://i.imgur.com/gszAS.gif)

The human brain runs scripts? Like a computer? How many gigs megs is your brain?

More importantly, what language?  Python?  Lua?  JavaScript?  VBScript?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 02, 2013, 01:00:57 pm
For me? BASIC.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 02, 2013, 03:22:46 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on October 02, 2013, 08:04:12 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on October 02, 2013, 12:26:09 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 02, 2013, 12:15:14 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c5eb9e2261d441b926cec193ad77a8c1/tumblr_mtn2ugf8cv1sw4nqxo1_500.png)

Apparently I'm a lesbian with internalized heteronormative scripts.

(http://i.imgur.com/gszAS.gif)

The human brain runs scripts? Like a computer? How many gigs megs is your brain?

More importantly, what language?  Python?  Lua?  JavaScript?  VBScript?

Python would be especially ironic considering that it's a "heteronormative" script....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 02, 2013, 05:36:20 pm
I don't think Tumblr would like any of those programming languages, none of them have gender-fluid booleans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 02, 2013, 07:03:52 pm
Is a Boolean that blue alien that always cuts Picard's hair?













;)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on October 02, 2013, 11:05:10 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on October 02, 2013, 07:03:52 pm
Is a Boolean that blue alien that always cuts Picard's hair?













;)

*decapitates with bat'leth*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 03, 2013, 02:26:55 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/bb50b05f7537bd2dd231167709a647fc/tumblr_mr9zo5CvYc1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 03, 2013, 02:48:28 am
^Yay!  Seeing patterns in things that aren't there! 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on October 03, 2013, 04:42:02 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 03, 2013, 02:26:55 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/bb50b05f7537bd2dd231167709a647fc/tumblr_mr9zo5CvYc1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

2.  You answered your own question in your parenthesis.  As for your second question, if they wouldn't listen to Mulan, why the hell would they listen to any other woman?

4.  You're an idiot.  1) Shang wasn't with them when the guys dressed as women, 2) Yes, Shang had problems trusting Mulan; she outright addressed this in the movie for crying out loud ("You said you'd trust Ping.  Why is Mulan any different?"), 3) "Would it have been degrading or undignified?"  You just figured out why some people think crossdressing jokes are funny, which means that this scene isn't the progressive statement you seem to think it is. 

And really, you're watching a movie that takes place in ancient China, and the things you choose to latch on to are either inconsequential  bullshit, things that have already been established as sexist in the culture itself, and a joke.  What about the scene where the matchmaker is telling her she has to be silent to please her in-laws?  Or the scene where Shifu says that she needs to hold her tongue in a man's presence?  Or the fact that she'd be killed for being a woman in the army?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 03, 2013, 01:33:15 pm
From some girl's tumblr:

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I also hate men so if you are one fuck off

✧･ﾟ: *✧･ﾟ:* \(✿◕‿◕)/ *:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧


So brave! What a champion for feminism!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 03, 2013, 03:08:04 pm
I'm sorry, but the sparkles have completely ruined the impact of her message.  I'm laughing at her instead of being offended. XD
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on October 03, 2013, 05:20:29 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 03, 2013, 03:08:04 pm
I'm sorry, but the sparkles have completely ruined the impact of her message.  I'm laughing at her instead of being offended. XD

It reminds me of one of the old quotes from FSTDT where some guy said that women were ruled by their emoticons.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 03, 2013, 07:10:04 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on October 03, 2013, 05:20:29 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 03, 2013, 03:08:04 pm
I'm sorry, but the sparkles have completely ruined the impact of her message.  I'm laughing at her instead of being offended. XD

It reminds me of one of the old quotes from FSTDT where some guy said that women were ruled by their emoticons.

An entire forum, Rapture Ready, is ruled by them.  Or, at least, it comes off that way, sometimes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 03, 2013, 07:32:36 pm
I know one guy who seems to throw in a smiley every five words.

He's basically the Ned Flanders of the furry fandom, too.  In every way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on October 03, 2013, 07:40:44 pm
"Today we're gonna yiff-diddly-iff!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 03, 2013, 07:44:56 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on October 03, 2013, 07:40:44 pm
"Today we're gonna yiff-diddly-iff!"

*hisses!*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on October 03, 2013, 08:08:29 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on October 03, 2013, 07:40:44 pm
"Today we're gonna yiff-diddly-iff!"
Is that what the fox says?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 03, 2013, 08:56:51 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on October 03, 2013, 07:44:56 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on October 03, 2013, 07:40:44 pm
"Today we're gonna yiff-diddly-iff!"

*hisses!*

...I think we found your berserk button XD
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on October 03, 2013, 09:34:28 pm
The fucking dancing and throwing up hands emoticon....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on October 03, 2013, 10:02:13 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on October 03, 2013, 09:34:28 pm
The fucking dancing and throwing up hands emoticon....
I've proposed many times to get someone who knows how to edit such things to animate that emoticon getting shot or squished or something. Somebody should still do it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 04, 2013, 12:36:44 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 03, 2013, 03:08:04 pm
I'm sorry, but the sparkles have completely ruined the impact of her message.  I'm laughing at her instead of being offended. XD

I made the mistake of responding to one of that person's posts and they found my personal blog.

Long story short, I forgot I can't have kinks that SJW's don't approve of.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on October 04, 2013, 01:44:36 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on October 03, 2013, 07:40:44 pm
"Today we're gonna yiff-diddly-iff!"
I have an anthro bunny character named Iffy, so yeah...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on October 04, 2013, 01:46:33 am
Naturally all this is doing is reminding me that I still need a refsheet made for my character...

also considering "diddle" pretty much means screw, that comment is somehow ten times funnier for it. Or maybe I'm tired. Eh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on October 04, 2013, 01:33:36 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 04, 2013, 12:36:44 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 03, 2013, 03:08:04 pm
I'm sorry, but the sparkles have completely ruined the impact of her message.  I'm laughing at her instead of being offended. XD

I made the mistake of responding to one of that person's posts and they found my personal blog.

Long story short, I forgot I can't have kinks that SJW's don't approve of.

What kinks do they not approve of? We've seen some SJWs fighting for pedophilia, necrophilia, and more.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 04, 2013, 02:00:04 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on October 04, 2013, 01:33:36 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 04, 2013, 12:36:44 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 03, 2013, 03:08:04 pm
I'm sorry, but the sparkles have completely ruined the impact of her message.  I'm laughing at her instead of being offended. XD

I made the mistake of responding to one of that person's posts and they found my personal blog.

Long story short, I forgot I can't have kinks that SJW's don't approve of.

What kinks do they not approve of? We've seen some SJWs fighting for pedophilia, necrophilia, and more.

Anything that'd involve a penis going into a vagina, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on October 04, 2013, 03:35:53 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on October 04, 2013, 02:00:04 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on October 04, 2013, 01:33:36 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 04, 2013, 12:36:44 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 03, 2013, 03:08:04 pm
I'm sorry, but the sparkles have completely ruined the impact of her message.  I'm laughing at her instead of being offended. XD

I made the mistake of responding to one of that person's posts and they found my personal blog.

Long story short, I forgot I can't have kinks that SJW's don't approve of.

What kinks do they not approve of? We've seen some SJWs fighting for pedophilia, necrophilia, and more.

Anything that'd involve a penis going into a vagina, I'd imagine.

Damn, I was just going to say missionary position.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on October 04, 2013, 05:21:05 pm
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We tend to treat only dating people you have oppressive power over as creepy, right?

A cis person who only dates trans people is probably a chaser.

An abled person who only dates disabled people is a creep and probably a fetishist

A thin person who dates only fat people and excludes other thin people as potential partners is creepy and probably has a fetish.

A white person who doesn’t date other white people but dates people of color is also a creep and is probably acting on a fetish.

Why, then, do we act like a man who exclusively seeks women as partners to the exclusion of other men is acting on an immutable preference? Why does he get the benefit of the doubt that he is not acting on a fetishized belief of what women are? Why is having a strong preference for partners down this specific power dynamic considered natural and beyond challenge?

Why is the word for this kind of man “heterosexual” or “straight” and not “creepy dude who only dates women”?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on October 04, 2013, 05:31:22 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on October 03, 2013, 08:08:29 pm
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on October 03, 2013, 07:40:44 pm
"Today we're gonna yiff-diddly-iff!"
Is that what the fox says?

Yes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Illusive Man on October 04, 2013, 05:46:27 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on October 04, 2013, 05:21:05 pm
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We tend to treat only dating people you have oppressive power over as creepy, right?

A cis person who only dates trans people is probably a chaser.

An abled person who only dates disabled people is a creep and probably a fetishist

A thin person who dates only fat people and excludes other thin people as potential partners is creepy and probably has a fetish.

A white person who doesn’t date other white people but dates people of color is also a creep and is probably acting on a fetish.

Why, then, do we act like a man who exclusively seeks women as partners to the exclusion of other men is acting on an immutable preference? Why does he get the benefit of the doubt that he is not acting on a fetishized belief of what women are? Why is having a strong preference for partners down this specific power dynamic considered natural and beyond challenge?

Why is the word for this kind of man “heterosexual” or “straight” and not “creepy dude who only dates women”?
So if your boy or girl friend is maimed in war or an accident you are a post de facto creep from then on? Or a creep by circumstance?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 04, 2013, 06:06:59 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on October 04, 2013, 05:21:05 pm
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We tend to treat only dating people you have oppressive power over as creepy, right?

A cis person who only dates trans people is probably a chaser.

An abled person who only dates disabled people is a creep and probably a fetishist

A thin person who dates only fat people and excludes other thin people as potential partners is creepy and probably has a fetish.

A white person who doesn’t date other white people but dates people of color is also a creep and is probably acting on a fetish.

Why, then, do we act like a man who exclusively seeks women as partners to the exclusion of other men is acting on an immutable preference? Why does he get the benefit of the doubt that he is not acting on a fetishized belief of what women are? Why is having a strong preference for partners down this specific power dynamic considered natural and beyond challenge?

Why is the word for this kind of man “heterosexual” or “straight” and not “creepy dude who only dates women”?
That's quite easily one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on October 04, 2013, 06:12:01 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on October 04, 2013, 05:21:05 pm
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We tend to treat only dating people you have oppressive power over as creepy, right?

A cis person who only dates trans people is probably a chaser.

An abled person who only dates disabled people is a creep and probably a fetishist

A thin person who dates only fat people and excludes other thin people as potential partners is creepy and probably has a fetish.

A white person who doesn’t date other white people but dates people of color is also a creep and is probably acting on a fetish.

Why, then, do we act like a man who exclusively seeks women as partners to the exclusion of other men is acting on an immutable preference? Why does he get the benefit of the doubt that he is not acting on a fetishized belief of what women are? Why is having a strong preference for partners down this specific power dynamic considered natural and beyond challenge?

Why is the word for this kind of man “heterosexual” or “straight” and not “creepy dude who only dates women”?

That hurt me deep inside
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on October 04, 2013, 06:25:43 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on October 04, 2013, 06:12:01 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on October 04, 2013, 05:21:05 pm
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We tend to treat only dating people you have oppressive power over as creepy, right?

A cis person who only dates trans people is probably a chaser.

An abled person who only dates disabled people is a creep and probably a fetishist

A thin person who dates only fat people and excludes other thin people as potential partners is creepy and probably has a fetish.

A white person who doesn’t date other white people but dates people of color is also a creep and is probably acting on a fetish.

Why, then, do we act like a man who exclusively seeks women as partners to the exclusion of other men is acting on an immutable preference? Why does he get the benefit of the doubt that he is not acting on a fetishized belief of what women are? Why is having a strong preference for partners down this specific power dynamic considered natural and beyond challenge?

Why is the word for this kind of man “heterosexual” or “straight” and not “creepy dude who only dates women”?

That hurt me deep inside

What about a white woman who only dates black men going out with a black man that only dates white women?

Who is the creeper in that scenario?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on October 04, 2013, 06:43:14 pm
Quote from: The Illusive Man on October 04, 2013, 05:46:27 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on October 04, 2013, 05:21:05 pm
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We tend to treat only dating people you have oppressive power over as creepy, right?

A cis person who only dates trans people is probably a chaser.

An abled person who only dates disabled people is a creep and probably a fetishist

A thin person who dates only fat people and excludes other thin people as potential partners is creepy and probably has a fetish.

A white person who doesn’t date other white people but dates people of color is also a creep and is probably acting on a fetish.

Why, then, do we act like a man who exclusively seeks women as partners to the exclusion of other men is acting on an immutable preference? Why does he get the benefit of the doubt that he is not acting on a fetishized belief of what women are? Why is having a strong preference for partners down this specific power dynamic considered natural and beyond challenge?

Why is the word for this kind of man “heterosexual” or “straight” and not “creepy dude who only dates women”?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3IjRgoGWUBo/S-a1MYlQMVI/AAAAAAAAAhA/_IeKyYFhBOE/s1600/my-brain.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 04, 2013, 07:20:15 pm
http://animalrights101.tumblr.com/post/63025999261/animal-rights-terms-to-know

Go home PETA, you are drunk.

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veg-tastic
Follow

I don’t know whether I want to go to this club called “Animal Advocates” or not. They sound like speciesism advocates to me because all they do is help out shelter dogs and cats… But I could join and see if they would do anything for other animals. Hmm

Goddammit PETA. You can tell she's a PETA by the fact that her home page has their mascot as the mouse representative.

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What really bugs me about the Chick-fil-a advertizing is that it assumes the cows would willingly point humans toward eating another sentient being to save themselves. I just think that real cows wouldn’t throw another living being/species under the bus like that (I think they’d be smart enough to suggest plant foods).

The humans that created these ads give agency to the cows (a cruel-intentioned agency) while erasing the agency of the animal they are selling. It’s sick that the premise of the whole ad campaign is a fight for survival, a competition to make the other animal appear more appetizing.

And it’s disturbing that the ads make USE of animals’ awareness of their situation (eventual death and consumption), but no one takes it seriously enough to think, gee, maybe EVERY animal would rather not be eaten at all? No no. These ads aren’t actually SERIOUSLY positing such agency and will to live. That would be absurd!

But it isn’t simply an ad ploy, it’s representative of deep cultural speciesism, consumerism, and cut-throat competition.

I do know most animals would rather not be eaten. Its a simple matter of I DON'T GIVE A DAMN.

And wow, they think cows are smart. Cows. Smart.

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THE FACT THAT THERE IS SPECIESISM IN THIS VEGAN HOUSEHOLD REALLY GRINDS MY GEARS.

There are no words. It just reminds me of Christian Fundamentalists raging about "ATHEISM IN THIS CHRISTIAN HOUSEHOLD!"

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Lions are king of the jungle?

I don’t remember how this idea came to me, but it seems odd.

First off, Googling “lions aren’t king of the jungle” tells you that most lions live in open savannahs, which means tigers should hold the true title.

Secondly, and actually the main idea that got me thinking was: why the fuck do humans think there has to be a ruler for everything?

Lions and tigers may be some of the biggest predators, but it certainly doesn’t make them above the other animals. They’re all part of the same system. If the smaller animals ceased to exist, so would the bigger ones.

Yes, I understand that “king of the jungle” is a silly phrase that shouldn’t be taken so seriously. But for some reason, carnists (often male) like to compare themselves to lions and tigers. They see lions as majestic, powerful, and dominating. Many humans want to be synonymous with being the biggest, fastest, toughest and simply the best.

Predatory animals have no intention of asserting dominance upon their prey. They’re doing what every other animal is trying to do. Survive. Certainly they do it without taking more than what they need. Humans don’t fall in that category. We’re not made to be predatory animals, and we often take more than we need.

We’re living in a time when treating animals as food and objects is unnecessary for the majority, but is still rampant because “mmmm bacon”. If it’s not a requirement for our survival, then I submit to the court that it is cruel and unjust to treat any sentient being with any less respect than the person reading this post deserves. 

Domination is oppression. Everything that I’ve learned as a child is that control over someone isn’t an admirable trait. The problem is that we’re also taught that other animals aren’t someone. We’re taught that even though we accept domesticated animals in our homes, they belong to us. If you oppose to that last sentence because you love your companion animal, but are not vegan, dig down deep and ponder why you think pigs are less important than dogs.

Fuck oppression. Fuck discrimination. Fuck carnists.

In conclusion, lions aren’t the king of the jungle.

PETA Grunt responds to silly old turn of phrase with five paragraph essay on how I and others like me are very bad people for eating what we like.

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lord crunkington III ‏@postcrunk

we are the animals that forgot we were animals

You are the idiot who forgot he was an idiot.

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   Combating speciesism has to be done in series. It seems that humans need to be introduced to justice in small doses lest they get scared, even among our own species. I speak of American history because it is the culture I grew up in and know the most about. First, it was Native American rights (still under contention), then African-American rights (still under contention), then women’s rights (still under contention), and currently LGBTQA+ rights (still. under. contention.).

     India has started with granting personhood to dolphins, whales, and porpoises. Australia and New Zealand have done the same with nonhuman apes. Perhaps globalizing those rights is our first baby step. It is hard for those who already support all encompassing animal rights. They all want to connect with each other. However, our scarce numbers usually restrict this to public social networks where people who need baby steps are prematurely exposed to our so-called “extreme” ideas and are scared off before any progress can be made. Unfortunately, not much can be done about this issue. Without unity and communication, there is no movement.

     If anything is to be taken away from my ramble, it is this. Whale, dolphin, porpoise, and ape rights are our key to the general public as well as the global political sphere. They are humanity’s first baby step.

So do explain what you, oh brave Animal Liberty Activist, have done for your so called screed. I find Dolphin rights particularly hilarious given how rapey Dolphins are.

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“

I think the nuts and bolts of the matter (speaking of speciesism in general) is that these animals do not belong to us. They belong to themselves, just as we belong to ourselves.

And we play God every single day of our lives in every facet of our lives. It’s going to come back to us, one way or another.
”

No, no, no. And no.

So, what, are the chickens going to grab one of the Ku Klux Klan's death rays and go on the atta-

Inspiration for a Syfy original movie just hit me; Revenge of the Chickens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on October 04, 2013, 08:28:45 pm
The anti straight person better be a Poe.

And PETA standsfor People Eating Tasty Animals.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 04, 2013, 08:40:14 pm
Quote
We tend to treat only dating people you have oppressive power over as creepy, right?

A cis person who only dates trans people is probably a chaser.

An abled person who only dates disabled people is a creep and probably a fetishist

A thin person who dates only fat people and excludes other thin people as potential partners is creepy and probably has a fetish.

A white person who doesn’t date other white people but dates people of color is also a creep and is probably acting on a fetish.

Why, then, do we act like a man who exclusively seeks women as partners to the exclusion of other men is acting on an immutable preference? Why does he get the benefit of the doubt that he is not acting on a fetishized belief of what women are? Why is having a strong preference for partners down this specific power dynamic considered natural and beyond challenge?

Why is the word for this kind of man “heterosexual” or “straight” and not “creepy dude who only dates women”?

Gee, why indeed. Maybe it's the extensive evidence that for the majority of the population, there's a very powerful inborn preference for one gender over the other? And thus men who exclusively date women are not acting out a desire for oppression but rather looking for people they'd be willing to be in a relationship with?

This is without even getting into the fact that society actively punishes men who have romantic relationships with other men.

Challenge the heteronormative paradigm, if you want to. That is certainly a worthwhile endeavour. But you will never succeed in that challenge if you live in denial of the root causes of that paradigm. Opposite-sex relationships did not become the cultural default by coincidence.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on October 04, 2013, 10:04:14 pm
They do know Peta kills most cats and dogs they get their hands and they openly admit this right?

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: kefkaownsall on October 06, 2013, 12:08:06 pm
I am convinced Peta is a strawman created by the beef industry. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 06, 2013, 05:28:59 pm
Apparently, they're actually allies of a group called the ALF, which is a terrorist group. They muster funds for the trials of ALF members, and try to help them make bail. Yes, they abet and aid known terrorists, and they haven't had a Drone visit their building.

In the mean time, I will just be laughing about Speciesism and Carnist.

The former sounds painfully artificial and hard to say seriously. The latter sounds like the name of a metal band.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on October 06, 2013, 06:37:41 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on October 06, 2013, 05:28:59 pm
Apparently, they're actually allies of a group called the ALF, which is a terrorist group. They muster funds for the trials of ALF members, and try to help them make bail. Yes, they abet and aid known terrorists, and they haven't had a Drone visit their building.

In the mean time, I will just be laughing about Speciesism and Carnist.

The former sounds painfully artificial and hard to say seriously. The latter sounds like the name of a metal band.

The best part is that the ALF attacks places that do animal testing, including medical research. The vice president of PETA has diabetes and treats it with insulin harvested from pigs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 06, 2013, 08:18:38 pm
Bulls.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on October 06, 2013, 08:46:22 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on October 06, 2013, 06:37:41 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on October 06, 2013, 05:28:59 pm
Apparently, they're actually allies of a group called the ALF, which is a terrorist group. They muster funds for the trials of ALF members, and try to help them make bail. Yes, they abet and aid known terrorists, and they haven't had a Drone visit their building.

In the mean time, I will just be laughing about Speciesism and Carnist.

The former sounds painfully artificial and hard to say seriously. The latter sounds like the name of a metal band.

The best part is that the ALF attacks places that do animal testing, including medical research. The vice president of PETA has diabetes and treats it with insulin harvested from pigs.

Sure about that? I thought that just about everybody was on recombinant DNA produced insulin (gene splicing bacteria) these days.

Of course, I really wouldn't be surprised to hear that the head of PETA is a hypocrite about this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 06, 2013, 09:31:25 pm
(http://media.tumblr.com/dd1b00e76706e1d919bf6e2d79d720b3/tumblr_inline_mtsbrzQXLv1s1oipp.png)

(http://media.tumblr.com/b4b931be456c1ad0b037ebeb7ec5396f/tumblr_inline_mtsbn2RNxQ1s1oipp.png)

(http://media.tumblr.com/0b2fe102defb03b5e5126e8da163881e/tumblr_inline_mtsbq9vr4V1s1oipp.png)

This is not okay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 06, 2013, 09:51:18 pm
Their logic does not combloodypute.

I wanna smack 'em.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on October 06, 2013, 10:37:26 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 06, 2013, 09:31:25 pm
(http://media.tumblr.com/dd1b00e76706e1d919bf6e2d79d720b3/tumblr_inline_mtsbrzQXLv1s1oipp.png)

You know, I honestly have to ask if these people have ever actually be in any kind of relationship with the opposite sex because by that definition I've raped my wife several thousand times by now.
And believe me, if I raped my wife she'd cut my balls off and shove them down my throat while making jokes about whether I was going to bleed out or asphyxiate first.

Then there are all those times she parades her naked ass past me on her way to the bedroom in the middle of the day and gives me the look. There is no actual talking involved so I'm assuming consent which I guess makes me a rapist (although her saying fuck me please apparently doesn't change anything anyways).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 06, 2013, 11:13:23 pm
The emoticons just... make me... want to... DESTROY.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on October 06, 2013, 11:15:34 pm
Erm, I hate to say some sort of "demographic winter" type thing, but how exactly is humanity supposed to reproduce if ALL cismen are rapists? I mean, she certainly thinks that they shouldn't be having sex.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on October 06, 2013, 11:33:10 pm
I'm still not convinced Scummy World isn't a Poe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on October 06, 2013, 11:35:55 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 06, 2013, 09:31:25 pm
(http://media.tumblr.com/dd1b00e76706e1d919bf6e2d79d720b3/tumblr_inline_mtsbrzQXLv1s1oipp.png)

I checked out her Tumblr page (http://scummy-world.tumblr.com/) and oh my fucking god is she a radscum. Or a Poe. I'm actually calling Poe.

For one thing, she calls herself "LGBQ" and noticeably leaves out the "T," so she's probably a transphobe.

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Have you girls ever noticed how tumblr is based on patriarchy itself?

People are able to follow and stalk you, which reinforces rape culture.

You don’t get to CONSENT when people reblog you. And as I’ve mentioned in my faq rape doesn’t require penetration. You’re literally being raped by white cishets as they reblog your posts.

Tumblr is literally PART of rape culture.

Really? I always thought "following" was more along the lines of religious followers. And there is no Tumblr function that I know of called "stalking."

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Womyn choose to have sex with men because of imposed gender roles, rape and social pressure and coercion.

I think I found something offensive to people of every sexual orientation.

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Only a penis, owned by a male-identified penis-owner can fully rape someone and represent the patriarchy.

Rape =/= Forcefully having sex

B-but that's not what "rape" mea-

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LOL if you believe in the dictionary (that fyi is written by white cishets) then you’re NOT a feminist.

Oh. Well, that explains it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 07, 2013, 12:32:11 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 06, 2013, 09:31:25 pm
(http://media.tumblr.com/dd1b00e76706e1d919bf6e2d79d720b3/tumblr_inline_mtsbrzQXLv1s1oipp.png)
(http://themissouritorch.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/huh.gif)
The complete disassociation from reality is worrying, and a little bit impressive in a scary way. The emoticons are stab-worthy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on October 07, 2013, 12:58:08 am
Seriously, if you read her responses to questions and whatnot, the whole thing comes across as an act. She's just too blatant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on October 07, 2013, 01:00:11 am
"Believe the dictionary," is a weird phrase. Dictionary definitions do not attempt to determine reality or separate fact from fiction. That has NEVER been the purpose of a dictionary. Dictionaries describe the way people use words. That's it. There is nothing in there to believe or not believe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 07, 2013, 08:54:14 am
Quote from: JohnE on October 07, 2013, 01:00:11 am
"Believe the dictionary," is a weird phrase. Dictionary definitions do not attempt to determine reality or separate fact from fiction. That has NEVER been the purpose of a dictionary. Dictionaries describe the way people use words. That's it. There is nothing in there to believe or not believe.

To some people, the mere fact we breathe is a matter of belief.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 07, 2013, 01:44:23 pm
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How dare a thin person, who has EVERY CLOTHING OPTION IN THE WORLD, complain about how they can’t have THIS ONE FUCKING THING in their size?

When fat people all over the fucking world don’t have access to ANY CLOTHES THAT FIT THEM AT ALL because THEY AREN’T MADE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE OUR SIZE?

I am super fucking fat. Like, if I got up a few more sizes, I will not have access to clothes basically at all, let alone cute clothes.

I’m also poor, and clothes for fat people are super fucking expensive. so if I can find something in my size that is cute and is affordable, it’s a goddamn MIRACLE.

Can that skinny girl admire my style? Of fucking course. I’m fabulous. She should feel free to draw inspiration from me. But should she complain ON MY POSTS about how my clothes are too big for her? No. FUCK THAT.

SHE CAN FIND CLOTHES ANYWHERE. I, AS A FAT PERSON, DON’T HAVE THAT OPTION.

THAT IS THIN PRIVILEGE IN A FUCKING NUTSHELL.

Heaven forbid someone likes your dress.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 07, 2013, 01:52:06 pm
Quote from: JohnE on October 07, 2013, 01:00:11 am
"Believe the dictionary," is a weird phrase. Dictionary definitions do not attempt to determine reality or separate fact from fiction. That has NEVER been the purpose of a dictionary. Dictionaries describe the way people use words. That's it. There is nothing in there to believe or not believe.

To the extent that a dictionary's definitions are supposed to reflect some aspect of objective reality (specifically, the meanings of words as commonly used), they are separating fact from fiction. It is a fact that "coffee", in the general usage, refers to a specific beverage made from a plant and not to a kind of geological formation. One can conceive of an alternate universe where the opposite is true, but we don't live there.

So there is something to believe, there. You can believe, or not, that the dictionary is accurately capturing what people in general mean when they use a word.

Which, going back to the topic at hand, it does. "Sex without consent" is in fact what most people mean when they say "rape" You should believe the dictionary if it defines it that way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 07, 2013, 01:57:41 pm
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I am super fucking fat. Like, if I got up a few more sizes, I will not have access to clothes basically at all, let alone cute clothes.

I think this is a bigger problem than thin privilege here. Exactly how large do you have to be where you're literally just a few sizes away from no manufacturer making clothes to fit you? I don't mean "no cute clothes", but "I need all of my shit custom made or I'm forced to wear literal curtains."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 07, 2013, 02:02:47 pm
^Pretty damn big.  I mean, I've seen some huge shirts and britches in the days when I was working retail.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on October 07, 2013, 02:11:17 pm
@Sigma

True, but that doesn't seem to be what most SJWs mean when they talk about believing or not believing the dictionary. i.e. They claim that the dictionary is wrong/lying about what rape IS (in a moral, legal, or somehow factually objective sense), rather than claiming that it doesn't accurately reflect the common usage definition.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 07, 2013, 02:17:33 pm
Quote from: JohnE on October 07, 2013, 02:11:17 pm
@Sigma

True, but that doesn't seem to be what most SJWs mean when they talk about believing or not believing the dictionary. i.e. They claim that the dictionary is wrong/lying about what rape IS (in a moral, legal, or somehow factually objective sense), rather than claiming that it doesn't accurately reflect the common usage definition.

Granted. I was just making an academic point (as it turns out, I have very strong opinions on the truth values of definitions in various contexts).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 07, 2013, 02:57:41 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 06, 2013, 11:35:55 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 06, 2013, 09:31:25 pm
(http://media.tumblr.com/dd1b00e76706e1d919bf6e2d79d720b3/tumblr_inline_mtsbrzQXLv1s1oipp.png)

I checked out her Tumblr page (http://scummy-world.tumblr.com/) and oh my fucking god is she a radscum. Or a Poe. I'm actually calling Poe.

For one thing, she calls herself "LGBQ" and noticeably leaves out the "T," so she's probably a transphobe.

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Have you girls ever noticed how tumblr is based on patriarchy itself?

People are able to follow and stalk you, which reinforces rape culture.

You don’t get to CONSENT when people reblog you. And as I’ve mentioned in my faq rape doesn’t require penetration. You’re literally being raped by white cishets as they reblog your posts.

Tumblr is literally PART of rape culture.

Really? I always thought "following" was more along the lines of religious followers. And there is no Tumblr function that I know of called "stalking."

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Womyn choose to have sex with men because of imposed gender roles, rape and social pressure and coercion.

I think I found something offensive to people of every sexual orientation.

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Only a penis, owned by a male-identified penis-owner can fully rape someone and represent the patriarchy.

Rape =/= Forcefully having sex

B-but that's not what "rape" mea-

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LOL if you believe in the dictionary (that fyi is written by white cishets) then you’re NOT a feminist.

Oh. Well, that explains it.

So why bother with tumblr if you're just feeding into rape culture by using it~
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on October 07, 2013, 03:31:40 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 07, 2013, 01:44:23 pm
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How dare a thin person, who has EVERY CLOTHING OPTION IN THE WORLD, complain about how they can’t have THIS ONE FUCKING THING in their size?

When fat people all over the fucking world don’t have access to ANY CLOTHES THAT FIT THEM AT ALL because THEY AREN’T MADE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE OUR SIZE?

I am super fucking fat. Like, if I got up a few more sizes, I will not have access to clothes basically at all, let alone cute clothes.

I’m also poor, and clothes for fat people are super fucking expensive. so if I can find something in my size that is cute and is affordable, it’s a goddamn MIRACLE.

Can that skinny girl admire my style? Of fucking course. I’m fabulous. She should feel free to draw inspiration from me. But should she complain ON MY POSTS about how my clothes are too big for her? No. FUCK THAT.

SHE CAN FIND CLOTHES ANYWHERE. I, AS A FAT PERSON, DON’T HAVE THAT OPTION.

THAT IS THIN PRIVILEGE IN A FUCKING NUTSHELL.

Heaven forbid someone likes your dress.

Ironically, I was going to complain earlier because all the clothes I found on Amazon were only offered in size XL or higher.

Women in general have major problems finding clothes that fit right because manufacturers are so inconsistent. It doesn't matter what size you are (though yes, if you're past a certain point, it's going to be more difficult to find anything).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 07, 2013, 03:33:02 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d16542f041b52d7f41521318f4717cdb/tumblr_mg6rt2NYsn1rpovv6o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 07, 2013, 03:33:39 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on October 07, 2013, 02:02:47 pm
^Pretty damn big.  I mean, I've seen some huge shirts and britches in the days when I was working retail.

That's actually one of the things that really gets me about people like her, like the woman a while back who was quoted complaining that thin privilege is not needing a custom bathtub in your vacation home or not being able to fit in showers and baths made for "normal people": they admit that they're so large that they can barely function in society, but their response to suffering from an extremely bad health problem that requires immediate attention to avoid them dying before their time is to complain that society isn't built around their needs due to some kind of bigotry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on October 07, 2013, 03:39:45 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 07, 2013, 03:33:02 pm
[snip - pants picture]

This is exactly what I was talking about. I've got pants ranging from size 0 to 7. Even two pairs of pants of the same brand and size will often fit differently.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 07, 2013, 04:02:09 pm
Macy's made a corporate decision years ago to never go down that bullshit ego-tease marketing strategy of fake smallness on their size numbers. You sure don't ever have to buy their stuff, but if you are curious what your true, original standard clothing sizes are, try on clothes and hats and gloves there sometime. Won't cost you a nickel to try, and they still have a rep for treating people nicely, unless you go there dressed in raggedy jeans and a t-shirt, so yeah, douchebags, but sorta honest douchebags, at least. Size 0 - zero - did not exist back in the day. If you were really that tiny, that was a matter of getting your store bought clothes altered, which the nicer/pricier department stores used to do while you waited, if just a simple seam intake, or they'd call the next day or two when your selections were ready in the....(drumroll) Alterations Department. Free.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 07, 2013, 04:02:47 pm
Yeah. It's why I'm generally found buying where sizes make sense (men's section) even tho I'm short so women's sizes would be better but wow I hate trying stuff on for every single pair of pants.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 07, 2013, 04:20:37 pm
I have no idea what size I'd wear in womens.  How is that even calculated?  Man, that stuff is confusing.  I'd much rather go by inches-around/long when it comes to pants.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 07, 2013, 04:22:26 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 07, 2013, 04:02:47 pm
Yeah. It's why I'm generally found buying where sizes make sense (men's section) even tho I'm short so women's sizes would be better but wow I hate trying stuff on for every single pair of pants.
Amen to that. I find it so annoying that I only buy the same brand/style number pants and jeans that I know fit me nicely, and have remained standard. Dickies, basically, and they do make women's cut clothes. I actually buy 'em online, it's so reliable.

Quote from: SpaceProg on October 07, 2013, 04:20:37 pm
I have no idea what size I'd wear in womens.  How is that even calculated?  Man, that stuff is confusing.  I'd much rather go by inches-around/long when it comes to pants.

Go to Macy's then. Bring me along. I want to videocam it~! ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on October 07, 2013, 04:28:38 pm
I've never really had problems with the typical high street chains, I find they aren't more than a size out.

Independent shops can have incredibly fucked up sizing though, I remember trying on jeans that were supposedly a size 10, but they were so tiny I couldn't even pull them up my thighs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 07, 2013, 04:57:20 pm
There's no regulation so yeah.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on October 07, 2013, 06:52:30 pm
Do we need a thread about clothing bitching now? Well, I might as well have a go.

I'm a fairly large guy, not just in a sense of being fat ( I am a bit) but generally tall and wide. I think even if I lost all my weight I might only be able to get down to an XXL shirt. As it is now I wear a 5-6X shirt. This makes getting shirts of any kind impossible anywhere other than certain stores. T-shirts other than plain one color shirts are pretty non existent. I need a jacket for winter but don't know where I'll get one.

Pants on the other hand are easy. 44 inch waist pants are common, unfortunately belts for that size are not. Which I don't understand at all, since pants sizes in most stores go up to at least mid 50s, but belts usually stop at 40 or 42. Although length is occasionally an issue with the bottom of the pant legs going under my foot it's not a problem if I'm wearing my combat boots, which is what I normally wear.

Hats that fit my head are also a bitch to find, and there's not shit I can do about that. It doesn't help that I'm going bald at 19 and consequently have started wearing hats more often. Hell, the white tag in my mesh fedora is already stained yellow and it's a little over a year old.

Gloves can be somewhat hard depending on how much of a selection there is or if it's a one size fits most thing. I wear a XXL glove, which is easy enough to find usually provided the gloves exist in multiple sizes.


Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 07, 2013, 07:02:01 pm
I don't know if it's because the pants stretch or shrink, but I'll have a size 38 that slides down my hips without a belt, and a size 40 that feels like it's choking my waist.

I don't have to worry about finding good looking t-shirts and stuff, though.  Turns out, they plan for guys with beer guts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 07, 2013, 07:34:48 pm
I think my pants are a size 36 waist now? I have some 34s that still fit, probably from constant wear stretching them out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on October 07, 2013, 08:20:55 pm
I'm sort of an awkward in-between size. I big enough (mostly because I'm tall) that most pants in normal stores are too small, but I'm small enough (around) that most pants in big and tall shops are too big.

Now that actually type that, it sounds like bragging. *hides*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 07, 2013, 09:01:21 pm
I'm not even fat. I'm just tall.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on October 08, 2013, 01:15:40 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/8e09f60f137861666c5c93ae89967e81/tumblr_mu7ixaUTBA1ryeto5o1_500.png)

o okay
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 08, 2013, 01:57:59 am
I see caffeinatedfeminist a lot on my dash it's really weird because the people reblogging aren't really SJWs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 08, 2013, 02:49:10 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on October 08, 2013, 01:15:40 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/8e09f60f137861666c5c93ae89967e81/tumblr_mu7ixaUTBA1ryeto5o1_500.png)

o okay

tw: american revolution
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 08, 2013, 04:32:39 am
Confession time:

I can't help but wonder if remaining a British colony would've had us better off than we are now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on October 08, 2013, 06:59:42 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on October 08, 2013, 02:49:10 am
Quote from: Mlle Antéchrist on October 08, 2013, 01:15:40 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/8e09f60f137861666c5c93ae89967e81/tumblr_mu7ixaUTBA1ryeto5o1_500.png)

o okay

tw: american revolution

Is it too soon then to joke about taking back America?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 08, 2013, 11:04:59 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 08, 2013, 04:32:39 am
Confession time:

I can't help but wonder if remaining a British colony would've had us better off than we are now.

I find myself wondering that a lot these days too, so you're not alone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on October 08, 2013, 11:36:58 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on October 08, 2013, 11:04:59 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 08, 2013, 04:32:39 am
Confession time:

I can't help but wonder if remaining a British colony would've had us better off than we are now.

I find myself wondering that a lot these days too, so you're not alone.

Well, by this point the country (or portions thereof, depending) would either be a republic anyway (and depending on when it became a republic, either like India and still a Commonwealth member or like Ireland and not) or a Commonwealth realm (like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and such). It might even be the case that all of what was once British North America would be one big federal country.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on October 08, 2013, 03:38:17 pm
Quote from: dpareja on October 08, 2013, 11:36:58 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on October 08, 2013, 11:04:59 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 08, 2013, 04:32:39 am
Confession time:

I can't help but wonder if remaining a British colony would've had us better off than we are now.

I find myself wondering that a lot these days too, so you're not alone.

Well, by this point the country (or portions thereof, depending) would either be a republic anyway (and depending on when it became a republic, either like India and still a Commonwealth member or like Ireland and not) or a Commonwealth realm (like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and such). It might even be the case that all of what was once British North America would be one big federal country.


It's funny you guys mention this because I just heard somebody saying "we're getting to the point where we were when we wanted to leave England in the first place because we're getting taxed into oblivion."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on October 09, 2013, 01:57:46 pm
Quote

    when you think about it the dick DOES deliver disappointment and misogyny. Because the dick delivers sperm which creates life which harbors those things.

    So I’m not wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on October 09, 2013, 01:59:07 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on October 09, 2013, 01:57:46 pm
Quote

    when you think about it the dick DOES deliver disappointment and misogyny. Because the dick delivers sperm which creates life which harbors those things.

    So I’m not wrong.

Couldn't you say the same thing about female reproductive organs?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 09, 2013, 02:03:12 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on October 09, 2013, 01:57:46 pm
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    when you think about it the dick DOES deliver disappointment and misogyny. Because the dick delivers sperm which creates life which harbors those things.

    So I’m not wrong.
... Huh? Dicks are bad because they deliver sperm? I wouldn't know personally but isn't that the intended function of a dick? And why just dicks? Wouldn't a vagina-and-uterus set be just as bad? I mean, if we're going to hate on body parts, wouldn't the uterus be even worse because it sustains and protects possible life?

Edit: my point was ninja'd by SP.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 09, 2013, 02:28:28 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/84ab0d7ed6e71db28fb70381cdb959ad/tumblr_mu1rpwc3dc1rzne93o1_400.jpg)

Super edgy!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 09, 2013, 04:24:08 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 09, 2013, 02:28:28 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/84ab0d7ed6e71db28fb70381cdb959ad/tumblr_mu1rpwc3dc1rzne93o1_400.jpg)

Super edgy!

(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/37684575.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on October 09, 2013, 07:36:18 pm
Quote from: dpareja on October 08, 2013, 11:36:58 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on October 08, 2013, 11:04:59 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 08, 2013, 04:32:39 am
Confession time:

I can't help but wonder if remaining a British colony would've had us better off than we are now.

I find myself wondering that a lot these days too, so you're not alone.

Well, by this point the country (or portions thereof, depending) would either be a republic anyway (and depending on when it became a republic, either like India and still a Commonwealth member or like Ireland and not) or a Commonwealth realm (like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and such). It might even be the case that all of what was once British North America would be one big federal country.

Perhaps if America had adopted a parliamentary system like a lot of other former British colonies did they might have found themselves in a bit less of a predicament.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 09, 2013, 07:55:10 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on October 09, 2013, 07:36:18 pm
Quote from: dpareja on October 08, 2013, 11:36:58 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on October 08, 2013, 11:04:59 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 08, 2013, 04:32:39 am
Confession time:

I can't help but wonder if remaining a British colony would've had us better off than we are now.

I find myself wondering that a lot these days too, so you're not alone.

Well, by this point the country (or portions thereof, depending) would either be a republic anyway (and depending on when it became a republic, either like India and still a Commonwealth member or like Ireland and not) or a Commonwealth realm (like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and such). It might even be the case that all of what was once British North America would be one big federal country.

Perhaps if America had adopted a parliamentary system like a lot of other former British colonies did they might have found themselves in a bit less of a predicament.

Ah well... Hindsight's 20/20 and all that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on October 10, 2013, 10:06:17 am
For me, the most interesting question in the 'what if' game is would the Americans still have their love affair with guns?

A peaceful separation would have meant no overriding need for militias which might have meant that there would be little reason to have a second amendment entrenching guns so firmly into the cultural makeup of the country. It is also possible that the wild west era with frequent conflicts with natives and squabbles with various other countries/colonies to the north, south, and east might have ensured that America kept on loving guns.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 10, 2013, 11:15:33 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on October 10, 2013, 10:06:17 am
For me, the most interesting question in the 'what if' game is would the Americans still have their love affair with guns?

A peaceful separation would have meant no overriding need for militias which might have meant that there would be little reason to have a second amendment entrenching guns so firmly into the cultural makeup of the country. It is also possible that the wild west era with frequent conflicts with natives and squabbles with various other countries/colonies to the north, south, and east might have ensured that America kept on loving guns.

I think the American view on firearms ownership is a lot more complex than to be simply brought down to a violent revolution. A lot of it has to do with attempts to create a general culture of individual independence, something that modern Americans are still obsessed with even to the detriment of their fellow man.

Other nations have had violent revolutions rather than peaceful separations, but they don't necessarily have such free gun laws as the United States. Usually because the government wants more control, or the country goes down the shitter and the government tries to restrict firearms ownership in a desperate attempt to curb violence or regain control; Mexico has extremely restrictive firearms laws compared to us while being much worse off in many ways.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on October 10, 2013, 12:09:28 pm
I think it's the frontier aspect. For the first hundred years or so of American history, a significant portion of our country was frontier, where guns were a necessity. That wouldn't have changed if we were a British colony.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on October 10, 2013, 01:31:26 pm
To some extent, maybe, but don't forget that Napoleon probably wouldn't have sold the Louisiana Purchase to Britain, so our frontier would potentially be a lot smaller.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 10, 2013, 02:54:24 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a5cf0548e194c0de5f1c9feee9e0bf75/tumblr_mudt7xCSBR1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Oh my god.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on October 10, 2013, 03:02:08 pm
Say "picky eaters" one more fuckin' time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 10, 2013, 03:07:19 pm
Picky Eaters
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 10, 2013, 03:49:36 pm
Oh my god I'm psychic.  I was literally wondering today about a SJW movement for picky eaters, and I think my thoughts even organized on that level.

That being said, I'm a picky eater because textures and flavors can literally make me barf.  Forcing myself to eat a food I don't like turns my stomach sour anyways.

I do regularly try to expand my palate, but I've yet to have any real success.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 10, 2013, 04:23:39 pm
I can eat just about anything if it's not spicy or oversalted, but my little brother will only eat noodles and waffles.


As far as SJ movements for completely ridiculous things, I predict *crosses self, steps into circle of salt, readies wooden stake* a movement based around people who prefer to sleep during the day and do things at night. There will be an awesome insult for people who disagree with them (Daywalkers?) and fake science saying that we're all "supposed" to be nocturnal.

Internet, do your thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on October 10, 2013, 04:33:14 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on October 10, 2013, 12:09:28 pm
I think it's the frontier aspect. For the first hundred years or so of American history, a significant portion of our country was frontier, where guns were a necessity. That wouldn't have changed if we were a British colony.

The same could well be said of Canada, and our gun laws are decidedly stricter than the US's.

(That said, I've heard it said that one big difference between Canada and the US is that in the US, the settlers went west before the police did, and in Canada the police went west before the settlers. There were also already two colonies--Vancouver Island and British Columbia--on the Pacific shore well before Canadian Confederation.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on October 10, 2013, 04:46:14 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 10, 2013, 02:54:24 pm
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Oh my god.

Well yeah you're rude if you pick on a person who has food allergies or a cultural dietary restrict or if you are on a health diet like me. But "picky eaters" generally are young'ins who refuse to eat something because it's not something they are used to or if it isn't saturated with sugar. Or they are snobs who can't bear to eat what "others" eat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 10, 2013, 05:55:36 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on October 10, 2013, 04:46:14 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 10, 2013, 02:54:24 pm
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Oh my god.

Well yeah you're rude if you pick on a person who has food allergies or a cultural dietary restrict or if you are on a health diet like me. But "picky eaters" generally are young'ins who refuse to eat something because it's not something they are used to or if it isn't saturated with sugar. Or they are snobs who can't bear to eat what "others" eat.

Also, some people just plain have sensitive mouths.  My mother, for example, can't stand spicy foods because its painful for her to eat; "spicy" for her would be the equivalent to a dash of regular old black pepper for most of us.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on October 10, 2013, 07:15:28 pm
So wearing dreads and practicing yoga are racist now.

http://smallworldofbigal.tumblr.com/post/63681174003/ohsocialjustice-whiteopinionsrwhiteopinions
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on October 10, 2013, 09:09:46 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on October 10, 2013, 05:55:36 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on October 10, 2013, 04:46:14 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 10, 2013, 02:54:24 pm
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Oh my god.

Well yeah you're rude if you pick on a person who has food allergies or a cultural dietary restrict or if you are on a health diet like me. But "picky eaters" generally are young'ins who refuse to eat something because it's not something they are used to or if it isn't saturated with sugar. Or they are snobs who can't bear to eat what "others" eat.

Also, some people just plain have sensitive mouths.  My mother, for example, can't stand spicy foods because its painful for her to eat; "spicy" for her would be the equivalent to a dash of regular old black pepper for most of us.

Exactly. And I wouldn't consider not eating spicy food picky reading.
But also when you're poor you don't get the luxury of eating what you want. I guess the o p didn't think of that. It is like vegans almost. Do they ever think it maybe hard for some people to actually pick their food?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on October 10, 2013, 09:59:21 pm
I'm something of a picky eater. It's mostly that there are large groups of foods I don't like, such as nearly all cheeses and most vegetables. Then you throw in keeping kosher, and you start to see why I have a problem with premade meals.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 11, 2013, 12:14:16 am
Quote from: Solar Pendra on October 10, 2013, 07:15:28 pm
So wearing dreads and practicing yoga are racist now.

http://smallworldofbigal.tumblr.com/post/63681174003/ohsocialjustice-whiteopinionsrwhiteopinions

This is actually nothing new. They've been doing this for a long time.
I'm just surprised they didn't tell her to kill herself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 11, 2013, 12:28:17 am
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on October 10, 2013, 04:23:39 pm
As far as SJ movements for completely ridiculous things, I predict *crosses self, steps into circle of salt, readies wooden stake* a movement based around people who prefer to sleep during the day and do things at night. There will be an awesome insult for people who disagree with them (Daywalkers?) and fake science saying that we're all "supposed" to be nocturnal.

Internet, do your thing.
*British accent* I'm being extremely clever up here, and there's no one to stand around looking impressed! Wot's the point in having you all?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on October 11, 2013, 12:39:39 am
As someone who actually is nocturnal... I doubt it's possible to even make shit up saying we're supposed to be nocturnal and make it sound believable. Living by night is hard, and not especially healthy. Your whole system gets thrown out of whack, and unless you double up on vitamin D supplements (which I always forget to do) you're probably going to be lacking it, among other things. I've known a lot of people to start working a night shift and stop after a week because they couldn't take it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 11, 2013, 01:01:33 am
I'm nocturnal.  I'm fine.  Chemically balanced and all.  Still, it's not for everyone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 11, 2013, 02:54:46 am
As a matter of fact, we're not SUPPOSED to stay up as late as we do. Traditionally, humans have been active exclusively during the daylight hours; farmers got up by dawn because they'd be in bed by sunset or shortly after. The invention of electric lighting meant that we could afford to stay up later thanks to being able to easily and cheaply light up our entire homes as bright or brighter than the sun itself, so modern humans actually spend more time up at night than ever before.

400 years ago, you'd need a damn good excuse to stay up until 1:00 AM.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 11, 2013, 03:27:30 am
Yeah, that's the point. We (humans) are built for activity during the day and rest at night, the same way we're built to digest both plants and meat. The SJ craziness comes along when people deny the inherent flexibility and resilience of the human body and say that humans were "intended" or "supposed to" eat only plants or be awake only at night. Then there are the cries of "We're oppressed because society/language/the world doesn't bend over backwards! We're persecuted because meanies on the internet make fun of us!" Finally, there's the insult that backfires because it's actually kinda awesome (bloodmouth/daywalker).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 11, 2013, 05:03:50 pm
These people desperately want to be special they'll seize on anything that even remotely makes them special.  If I'm making sense.

Ironbite-it's happened before and it'll happen again.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on October 11, 2013, 06:10:35 pm
The funny thing about the "we're built to be vegetarian/vegan" crowd is that they readily compare our system to carnivores, but always neglect to draw a comparison between us and herbivores.  And then there are those that outright lie and say humans are the only primates that eat meat, which is supposed to be some sort of indicator that us eating meat is 'unnatural.'
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 11, 2013, 07:00:39 pm
Tell the monkey that those chimps are tearing limb from limb that primates don't eat meat... 

When I think primate or ape, I think Omnivore (sometimes eating more meat than veg, sometimes less), really.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 11, 2013, 07:50:06 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 11, 2013, 05:03:50 pm
These people desperately want to be special they'll seize on anything that even remotely makes them special.  If I'm making sense.

Ironbite-it's happened before and it'll happen again.
Yes, that's exactly the point I wanted to make. People are so desperate for Speshal Snoflaake points that they'll turn any habit or personality quirk into a label that separates them from the rest of the world. What's really sad about this phenomenon that it compartmentalizes unique and interesting traits and flattens them into imaginary reasons to attack somebody. I'm not saying that specific labels are a bad thing (I'm a hetero-romantic-ish demisexual trans man, for crying out loud), I'm saying that they've been warped from a tool to bring similar people together and unite them under a common banner or characteristic into a kid's collection of pseudo-intellectual trading cards.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: largeham on October 13, 2013, 02:09:43 am
Has the fact that now wearing bindis is 'racist' been covered?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 13, 2013, 02:19:02 am
Wearing bindis is cultural appropriation and it's been covered same as wearing braids, dreads, and doing yoga.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: largeham on October 13, 2013, 02:41:43 am
Pfft, if anyone wants to wear traditional Indian clothes, I will give them mine, more space in my cupboard. Recently, in a debate, I was accused of having knowledge privilege. Reading more than 20 books now makes you one of the upper class.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 13, 2013, 03:04:40 am
Quote from: largeham on October 13, 2013, 02:41:43 am
Pfft, if anyone wants to wear traditional Indian clothes, I will give them mine, more space in my cupboard. Recently, in a debate, I was accused of having knowledge privilege. Reading more than 20 books now makes you one of the upper class.

Education is a privilege. But it certainly isn't something you should be ashamed of.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 13, 2013, 03:23:55 am
Quote from: largeham on October 13, 2013, 02:09:43 am
Has the fact that now wearing bindis is 'racist' been covered?

It's my understanding that women in India\Southeast Asia wear bindis for both religious reasons and for fashion. Kind of like what women here in the US do with cross jewelry. But I could be wrong.

I peeked into the "bindi" tag to see what SJW rants I could find and found this:

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Today a very angry girl grabbed me by my arm forcefully and told me to ”Cut that shit out.”

When i told her to keep her hands to herself she started berating me on how "White girls have no shame and are sexualizing other cultures and how dared i have a bindi on my forehead?"

…. girl.. that is a birthmark…

Yes it’s on the middle of my forehead..Yes it’s a perfect small dark brown dot. what do you expect me to do?

She told me i should put foundation on it or get it removed with surgery because if people do not know it is a birthmark i’m being offensive.


I… I don’t even… what?

Can you people just stay on tumblr and not make yourself look mental in the real world? or at least keep your hands to yourself?

You can't just randomly grab people because they have birthmarks you don't like.
THAT IS NOT OKAY.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 13, 2013, 03:35:24 am
Even if the white girl was wearing a bindi, you don't grab a stranger without her consent. *Ever.

*Unless there's a fast-moving vehicle involved, but that's clearly not the situation here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 13, 2013, 03:38:30 am
Bindi is also an Australian child. (The joke only worked if the word 'bindi' was at the start of a sentence. I'm sorry.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: largeham on October 13, 2013, 04:17:37 am
Quote from: davedan on October 13, 2013, 03:04:40 am
Quote from: largeham on October 13, 2013, 02:41:43 am
Pfft, if anyone wants to wear traditional Indian clothes, I will give them mine, more space in my cupboard. Recently, in a debate, I was accused of having knowledge privilege. Reading more than 20 books now makes you one of the upper class.

Education is a privilege. But it certainly isn't something you should be ashamed of.

The access to quality education is certainly a privilege, but not a 'privilege' in the way identity politicians use the word.

It should be noted that I don't like the use of the word privilege. It implies that the privileged party benefits from the oppression of oppressed groups, which I think is false.

Quote from: thejebusfire on October 13, 2013, 03:23:55 am
Quote from: largeham on October 13, 2013, 02:09:43 am
Has the fact that now wearing bindis is 'racist' been covered?

It's my understanding that women in India\Southeast Asia wear bindis for both religious reasons and for fashion. Kind of like what women here in the US do with cross jewelry. But I could be wrong.

I know, I have extensive experience with them. Mostly looking for my sister's after it has fallen off her head. The glue used is usually quite weak.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 13, 2013, 05:25:15 am
I thought it was that people were privileged by not suffering from the effects, direct or indirect of prejudice.

I always thought that Bindis were predominantly fashion. The religious aspect of the tip is usually some sort of dye paste and also applied to the parting of the hair.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on October 13, 2013, 03:26:36 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 13, 2013, 02:19:02 am
Wearing bindis is cultural appropriation and it's been covered same as wearing braids, dreads, and doing yoga.

What really pisses me off is the implication by some that practicing Buddhism is cultural appropriation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on October 13, 2013, 03:35:00 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on October 13, 2013, 03:26:36 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 13, 2013, 02:19:02 am
Wearing bindis is cultural appropriation and it's been covered same as wearing braids, dreads, and doing yoga.

What really pisses me off is the implication by some that practicing Buddhism is cultural appropriation.

I addressed this on tumblr some time ago. Practicing a religion is not cultural appropriation. Nor is it appropriation when there is a tangible and historical cultural transition between Buddhist cultures and other culture. But there is a huge difference between practicing Buddhism and buying a bunch of pseudo-Buddhist "Zen" and "Tantric" crap and calling it "Buddhist". You really don't need to buy into that whole Oriental Mystics commercialism in order to practice Buddhism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 13, 2013, 03:40:00 pm
Generally speaking for practicing a religion, it's only appropriation if it's a closed religion (like Native American beliefs) where you have to actually be invited into the group to participate.

Buddhism is strictly not a closed religion.

Of course, as with all things "generally speaking", there are exceptions.  Just copying cultural garments (especially sacred, religious ones) because you think they look good (or you think it makes you look hot) is also appropriation even if it isn't a closed religion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on October 13, 2013, 03:46:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 13, 2013, 03:40:00 pm
Generally speaking for practicing a religion, it's only appropriation if it's a closed religion (like Native American beliefs) where you have to actually be invited into the group to participate.

Buddhism is strictly not a closed religion.

Of course, as with all things "generally speaking", there are exceptions.  Just copying cultural garments (especially sacred, religious ones) because you think they look good (or you think it makes you look hot) is also appropriation even if it isn't a closed religion.

I don't understand how some people assume Buddhism is a closed religion. (Just like some people think Islam is a closed religion when it's very obviously not.) It's like they don't know anything about Buddhist History. I mean the existence of the Ashokan missionaries is proof that the Indians did not intend for Buddhism to be a closed religion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 13, 2013, 03:50:15 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on October 13, 2013, 03:46:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 13, 2013, 03:40:00 pm
Generally speaking for practicing a religion, it's only appropriation if it's a closed religion (like Native American beliefs) where you have to actually be invited into the group to participate.

Buddhism is strictly not a closed religion.

Of course, as with all things "generally speaking", there are exceptions.  Just copying cultural garments (especially sacred, religious ones) because you think they look good (or you think it makes you look hot) is also appropriation even if it isn't a closed religion.

I don't understand how some people assume Buddhism is a closed religion. (Just like some people think Islam is a closed religion when it's very obviously not.) It's like they don't know anything about Buddhist History. I mean the existence of the Ashokan missionaries is proof that the Indians did not intend for Buddhism to be a closed religion.

I think it might be because Islam is largely made up of Semites (is that the right word?) and Buddhism is mostly made up of Asians, so they think that because they're not white, they don't want anyone who's not Semite practicing Islam, and anyone who's not Asian practicing Buddhism.

At least I think.  It's hard to understand other people and it is making the leap of logic in assuming that the reason might be for racism, even if they're against cultural appropriation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on October 13, 2013, 04:00:01 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 13, 2013, 03:50:15 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on October 13, 2013, 03:46:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 13, 2013, 03:40:00 pm
Generally speaking for practicing a religion, it's only appropriation if it's a closed religion (like Native American beliefs) where you have to actually be invited into the group to participate.

Buddhism is strictly not a closed religion.

Of course, as with all things "generally speaking", there are exceptions.  Just copying cultural garments (especially sacred, religious ones) because you think they look good (or you think it makes you look hot) is also appropriation even if it isn't a closed religion.

I don't understand how some people assume Buddhism is a closed religion. (Just like some people think Islam is a closed religion when it's very obviously not.) It's like they don't know anything about Buddhist History. I mean the existence of the Ashokan missionaries is proof that the Indians did not intend for Buddhism to be a closed religion.

I think it might be because Islam is largely made up of Semites (is that the right word?) and Buddhism is mostly made up of Asians, so they think that because they're not white, they don't want anyone who's not Semite practicing Islam, and anyone who's not Asian practicing Buddhism.

At least I think.  It's hard to understand other people and it is making the leap of logic in assuming that the reason might be for racism, even if they're against cultural appropriation.

I've heard that argument before, and it's still erasing the fact that the largest groups of Muslim are Austronesian speaking Asians. And the fact that there are Slavic Muslim. There is a racial elements in an American context, since Muslim and brown people from the East has become synonymous in the States.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on October 13, 2013, 04:07:55 pm
Aren't there verses in the Quran that state that anyone, no matter their race, can practice Islam?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on October 13, 2013, 04:24:21 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on October 13, 2013, 03:35:00 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on October 13, 2013, 03:26:36 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 13, 2013, 02:19:02 am
Wearing bindis is cultural appropriation and it's been covered same as wearing braids, dreads, and doing yoga.

What really pisses me off is the implication by some that practicing Buddhism is cultural appropriation.

I addressed this on tumblr some time ago. Practicing a religion is not cultural appropriation. Nor is it appropriation when there is a tangible and historical cultural transition between Buddhist cultures and other culture. But there is a huge difference between practicing Buddhism and buying a bunch of pseudo-Buddhist "Zen" and "Tantric" crap and calling it "Buddhist". You really don't need to buy into that whole Oriental Mystics commercialism in order to practice Buddhism.

I understand the difference. But I get the impression there are people on Tumblr who don't, and assume that any white person practicing Buddism is appropriating Asian culture. And as I have two very close friends who converted to Buddhism a few years ago, I take personal offense to that sentiment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 13, 2013, 04:38:18 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on October 13, 2013, 04:24:21 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on October 13, 2013, 03:35:00 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on October 13, 2013, 03:26:36 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 13, 2013, 02:19:02 am
Wearing bindis is cultural appropriation and it's been covered same as wearing braids, dreads, and doing yoga.

What really pisses me off is the implication by some that practicing Buddhism is cultural appropriation.

I addressed this on tumblr some time ago. Practicing a religion is not cultural appropriation. Nor is it appropriation when there is a tangible and historical cultural transition between Buddhist cultures and other culture. But there is a huge difference between practicing Buddhism and buying a bunch of pseudo-Buddhist "Zen" and "Tantric" crap and calling it "Buddhist". You really don't need to buy into that whole Oriental Mystics commercialism in order to practice Buddhism.

I understand the difference. But I get the impression there are people on Tumblr who don't, and assume that any white person practicing Buddism is appropriating Asian culture. And as I have two very close friends who converted to Buddhism a few years ago, I take personal offense to that sentiment.

Your impression is correct.

SJWs tend to be the crusaders that strike at windmills.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 13, 2013, 04:44:22 pm
They're not usually as likeable as old Quixote either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 13, 2013, 04:53:54 pm
SJWs should never ever interact with the real world.

Ironbite-the real world doesn't conform itself to their standards.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on October 13, 2013, 05:17:09 pm
Usually the people I've seen railed at for cultural appropriation are hipster girls doing something obnoxious in war bonnets or "bindis." Both of these things have significant cultural and religious importance and it's just kind of a dick move to use them as fashion statements.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on October 13, 2013, 06:17:53 pm
Or worse, sexualize them. Porn shots with warbonnets are roughly the equivelant of a porn shot with a Purple Heart used for decoration.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 13, 2013, 07:52:18 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 13, 2013, 05:17:09 pm
Usually the people I've seen railed at for cultural appropriation are hipster girls doing something obnoxious in war bonnets or "bindis." Both of these things have significant cultural and religious importance and it's just kind of a dick move to use them as fashion statements.

Pretty much.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 18, 2013, 09:58:18 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/7551a12d7212c096cf24ecb965f8f19e/tumblr_mi7xw57DyZ1rxq8qwo1_1280.png)

Is this person for real?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 19, 2013, 01:29:51 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/150a7fc21d6d15810e2c3aab4b4f7785/tumblr_mgsv3gpzbW1qfsk2lo1_500.png)

I wish militant vegans would give it a rest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 19, 2013, 03:52:19 am
"Carnivores can be vegan because we, the superior species, decide on their food."

"What, their digestive systems aren't designed for a vegan diet? STOP VEGAN SHAMING YOU MURDERER"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on October 19, 2013, 04:02:01 am
I've actually seen someone, a grown semi-intelligent adult, argue that humans should use technology to make every animal on the planet a vegan so as to eliminate suffering. This wasn't a small comment either, it was a full on article that they had written and put thought in to. How the concluded such a thing could possibly be done is beyond me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 19, 2013, 04:07:42 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on October 19, 2013, 04:02:01 am
I've actually seen someone, a grown semi-intelligent adult, argue that humans should use technology to make every animal on the planet a vegan so as to eliminate suffering. This wasn't a small comment either, it was a full on article that they had written and put thought in to. How the concluded such a thing could possibly be done is beyond me.

What was the argument? Or did he just say "Use technology to do it" and just cough and change the subject every time someone asked for an explanation?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on October 19, 2013, 05:04:50 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on October 19, 2013, 04:02:01 am
I've actually seen someone, a grown semi-intelligent adult, argue that humans should use technology to make every animal on the planet a vegan so as to eliminate suffering. This wasn't a small comment either, it was a full on article that they had written and put thought in to. How the concluded such a thing could possibly be done is beyond me.

We can worry about that pesky overpopulation issue later.

Also, it seems that the image may have been pulled from this load of cherry-picking nonsense. (http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm)  This is the exact same problem I mentioned earlier in this thread; vegans are ready to pull up a list of ways we're different from carnivores, but conveniently ignore the ways we're different from herbivores.  Also, I'd like to know how many of these "facts" in the list are actually true or if they're bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 19, 2013, 06:09:01 am
It's amazing how vegans often seem to disregard omnivores completely.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 19, 2013, 01:16:56 pm
Quote from: askold on October 19, 2013, 06:09:01 am
It's amazing how vegans often seem to disregard omnivores completely.

Only traitors to The Cause speak of nuance and non-binary distinctions!


Any cause can be The Cause
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on October 19, 2013, 02:04:16 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 19, 2013, 01:29:51 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/150a7fc21d6d15810e2c3aab4b4f7785/tumblr_mgsv3gpzbW1qfsk2lo1_500.png)

I wish militant vegans would give it a rest.

Do not make me go into the myriads of ways our body isn't specialized for either a vegan or a carnivorous diet. We'll start with the fact that our teeth actually sucks at chewing vegetation compare to herbivores. But you know, facts and all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 19, 2013, 02:47:36 pm
Our gut is also too short to be herbivorous, and we can't digest cellulose, which most herbivores can.   However, our gut is too long to be carnivorous, and we can't digest some things that carnivores can. 

Trying to stop the suffering, are they?  Well THINK OF THE POOR PLANTS!  PLANTS ARE PEOPLE TOO!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on October 19, 2013, 05:30:06 pm
Along with the obvious carnivore vs. omnivore thing, teeth evolve to suit needs other than breaking down food. Hunting, defence, social signals, etc. are all important factors.

Not to mention that the dude shown in the picture has unusually rounded canines compared to a lot of people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on October 19, 2013, 07:58:31 pm
My canine is pronounced. Some people have it more pronounced than other.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on October 19, 2013, 08:21:10 pm
I hate to break it to these people but fang-like canines have more to do with killing than they do with eating. Since all the 'carnivores' are quadrupeds they are forced to grab and suffocate or puncture/rip and exsanguinate. Humans are bipeds, we will pick up a rock and bash some critters head in or we will stab it with something pointy so we never needed to use our teeth for killing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on October 19, 2013, 08:48:32 pm
My canines are very pronounced compared to my other teeth.

Also, many vegans and vegetarians conveniently ignore all those people who cannot subsist on a plant-only diet for health-related or economic reasons. I seriously think that many of them don't know what a food desert is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on October 19, 2013, 09:00:30 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 19, 2013, 08:48:32 pm
My canines are very pronounced compared to my other teeth.

Also, many vegans and vegetarians conveniently ignore all those people who cannot subsist on a plant-only diet for health-related or economic reasons. I seriously think that many of them don't know what a food desert is.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the more militant or anti-human vegans/ARAs believe that those who are unable to subsist on a vegan diet should just die and "do the planet a favor," considering that there are those who consider humanity akin to a viral plague on the Earth.  Confronting one with the "people would die" argument would probably only elicit a "Good" or "Not my problem" as a response.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 20, 2013, 03:42:25 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 19, 2013, 08:48:32 pm
My canines are very pronounced compared to my other teeth.

Also, many vegans and vegetarians conveniently ignore all those people who cannot subsist on a plant-only diet for health-related or economic reasons. I seriously think that many of them don't know what a food desert is.

My canines are legitimate fangs. I'm the only David Kessler in the house not using false teeth because they're naturally good enough.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on October 20, 2013, 03:44:36 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on October 20, 2013, 03:42:25 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 19, 2013, 08:48:32 pm
My canines are very pronounced compared to my other teeth.

Also, many vegans and vegetarians conveniently ignore all those people who cannot subsist on a plant-only diet for health-related or economic reasons. I seriously think that many of them don't know what a food desert is.

My canines are legitimate fangs. I'm the only David Kessler in the house not using false teeth because they're naturally good enough.

I don't have fangs. I have sabers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on October 20, 2013, 04:06:50 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/8312c2faca5813bc78ec61ec831b2605/tumblr_mjx8hsLy5B1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

It's the symbol for iron, genius.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 20, 2013, 04:33:01 am
Why is the symbol for male so similar to the symbol for iron anyways?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 20, 2013, 04:53:59 am
The symbol for iron is the same as the planetary symbol for Mars, which incidentally, gets its color from a high iron content in its soil.  Mars is commonly used to symbolize war and men, like Venus (whose planetary symbol is the oft-use 'female' symbol), is used to symbolize beauty and women.  Oddly enough, of the two, Venus is the more badass planet by far, if you take into account their actual true to life attributes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on October 20, 2013, 04:54:40 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 20, 2013, 04:33:01 am
Why is the symbol for male so similar to the symbol for iron anyways?

Probably because iron is the traditional material for weapons, and warfare is a traditionally masculine activity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 20, 2013, 05:06:59 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on October 20, 2013, 04:53:59 am
The symbol for iron is the same as the planetary symbol for Mars, which incidentally, gets its color from a high iron content in its soil.  Mars is commonly used to symbolize war and men, like Venus (whose planetary symbol is the oft-use 'female' symbol), is used to symbolize beauty and women.  Oddly enough, of the two, Venus is the more badass planet by far, if you take into account their actual true to life attributes.

Wasn't Aphrodite/Venus kind of a kickin-ass warrior herself?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on October 20, 2013, 06:46:50 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 20, 2013, 05:06:59 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on October 20, 2013, 04:53:59 am
The symbol for iron is the same as the planetary symbol for Mars, which incidentally, gets its color from a high iron content in its soil.  Mars is commonly used to symbolize war and men, like Venus (whose planetary symbol is the oft-use 'female' symbol), is used to symbolize beauty and women.  Oddly enough, of the two, Venus is the more badass planet by far, if you take into account their actual true to life attributes.

Wasn't Aphrodite/Venus kind of a kickin-ass warrior herself?
You're probably thinking of Athena. Godess of wisdom and strategy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 20, 2013, 06:48:07 am
Aphrodite dealt in love, not warfare.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Monzach on October 20, 2013, 07:09:48 am
Well Aphrodite was kind of the cause behind the Trojan War, what with "giving" Helen of Troy to Paris. The fact that Helen was already married to one Menelaos was, of course, of no consequence. :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on October 20, 2013, 11:51:01 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on October 19, 2013, 02:47:36 pm
Our gut is also too short to be herbivorous, and we can't digest cellulose, which most herbivores can.   However, our gut is too long to be carnivorous, and we can't digest some things that carnivores can. 

Trying to stop the suffering, are they?  Well THINK OF THE POOR PLANTS!  PLANTS ARE PEOPLE TOO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 20, 2013, 02:09:06 pm
Quote from: Monzach on October 20, 2013, 07:09:48 am
Well Aphrodite was kind of the cause behind the Trojan War, what with "giving" Helen of Troy to Paris. The fact that Helen was already married to one Menelaos was, of course, of no consequence. :P

Being gifted to someone else by a goddess probably wouldn't have caused the war.  Being kidnapped by the asshole is a better description.  Also, the whole Trojan War happened because well...

Ironbite-Zeus couldn't keep it in his skirt.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: kefkaownsall on October 20, 2013, 02:20:53 pm
Isn't that the cause of all Greek myths
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 20, 2013, 04:17:22 pm
^... Come to think of it...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 20, 2013, 05:03:59 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on October 20, 2013, 06:46:50 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 20, 2013, 05:06:59 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on October 20, 2013, 04:53:59 am
The symbol for iron is the same as the planetary symbol for Mars, which incidentally, gets its color from a high iron content in its soil.  Mars is commonly used to symbolize war and men, like Venus (whose planetary symbol is the oft-use 'female' symbol), is used to symbolize beauty and women.  Oddly enough, of the two, Venus is the more badass planet by far, if you take into account their actual true to life attributes.

Wasn't Aphrodite/Venus kind of a kickin-ass warrior herself?
You're probably thinking of Athena. Godess of wisdom and strategy.
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 20, 2013, 06:48:07 am
Aphrodite dealt in love, not warfare.

No, I'm thinking of Aphrodite.  She was the goddess of love, yes, but she was also a pretty feral warrior in her own right.  Athena was the "virgin goddess" of the lot and hated sex.

Of course, bearing in mind that different city-states had different roles for their gods and goddesses.

Aphrodite wasn't necessarily a goddess of war, but that doesn't preclude her from being a warrior nonetheless.

Then again she dated Ares so...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 20, 2013, 06:09:16 pm
....Artemis.  Artemis was the virgin goddess.

Ironbite-blessed saints.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2013, 06:34:27 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 20, 2013, 06:09:16 pm
....Artemis.  Artemis was the virgin goddess.

Ironbite-blessed saints.

Artemis, Athena, and Hestia were the three "virgin goddesses" of Greek mythology.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on October 20, 2013, 06:46:51 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 20, 2013, 05:03:59 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on October 20, 2013, 06:46:50 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 20, 2013, 05:06:59 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on October 20, 2013, 04:53:59 am
The symbol for iron is the same as the planetary symbol for Mars, which incidentally, gets its color from a high iron content in its soil.  Mars is commonly used to symbolize war and men, like Venus (whose planetary symbol is the oft-use 'female' symbol), is used to symbolize beauty and women.  Oddly enough, of the two, Venus is the more badass planet by far, if you take into account their actual true to life attributes.

Wasn't Aphrodite/Venus kind of a kickin-ass warrior herself?
You're probably thinking of Athena. Godess of wisdom and strategy.
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 20, 2013, 06:48:07 am
Aphrodite dealt in love, not warfare.

No, I'm thinking of Aphrodite.  She was the goddess of love, yes, but she was also a pretty feral warrior in her own right.  Athena was the "virgin goddess" of the lot and hated sex.

Of course, bearing in mind that different city-states had different roles for their gods and goddesses.

Aphrodite wasn't necessarily a goddess of war, but that doesn't preclude her from being a warrior nonetheless.

Then again she dated Ares so...

I've never seen Aphrodite being depicted as a feral warrior. Artemis now, the viring godess and the hunter extraordinaire, yeah, sure.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on October 20, 2013, 06:49:54 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2013, 06:34:27 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 20, 2013, 06:09:16 pm
....Artemis.  Artemis was the virgin goddess.

Ironbite-blessed saints.

Artemis, Athena, and Hestia were the three "virgin goddesses" of Greek mythology.

Yeah, but it was Artemis who was aggressively virgin. Hell she turned Aktion into a stag just for seeing her bathing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 20, 2013, 06:50:57 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on October 20, 2013, 06:49:54 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2013, 06:34:27 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 20, 2013, 06:09:16 pm
....Artemis.  Artemis was the virgin goddess.

Ironbite-blessed saints.

Artemis, Athena, and Hestia were the three "virgin goddesses" of Greek mythology.

Yeah, but it was Artemis who was aggressively virgin. Hell she turned Aktion into a stag just for seeing her bathing.

Athena turned her own priestess into a gorgon simply for getting raped in her temple.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 20, 2013, 09:44:55 pm
Yep.  Those gods/goddesses had issues. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 20, 2013, 10:16:35 pm
This is why I don't bother with Greeks and Romans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2013, 11:12:32 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on October 20, 2013, 06:50:57 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on October 20, 2013, 06:49:54 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2013, 06:34:27 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 20, 2013, 06:09:16 pm
....Artemis.  Artemis was the virgin goddess.

Ironbite-blessed saints.

Artemis, Athena, and Hestia were the three "virgin goddesses" of Greek mythology.

Yeah, but it was Artemis who was aggressively virgin. Hell she turned Aktion into a stag just for seeing her bathing.

Athena turned her own priestess into a gorgon simply for getting raped in her temple.

And Hestia had no personality, arguably making her the most "normal" of all the Greek gods.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: kefkaownsall on October 20, 2013, 11:23:35 pm
The goddess of nature wasn't that bad.  Then there was that time Zeus killed a guy for being a doctor
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on October 20, 2013, 11:37:59 pm
Yeah, but then he felt sorry for it and made him a god.

Really, the Greek pantheon seems like a bunch of hormone-driven teens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 20, 2013, 11:47:52 pm
If it helps, in general Greeks more or less regarded their myths the same way we regard books like Percy Jackson.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 20, 2013, 11:57:04 pm
I dunno... I don't recall any temples being built in honor of Percy Jackson. ;)














I kid.  I get what you mean.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: kefkaownsall on October 21, 2013, 12:21:42 am
To be fair what Zeus did was not different then what Ywyh did with Babel.  Humans were growing smarter then the gods so gods punish
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 21, 2013, 01:05:23 am
There are a few polytheists who think that (Christian) YHWH and Zeus could be the same person.

...Impregnating a virgin girl... huh, that might actually make sense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 21, 2013, 01:55:35 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/338f3ab0f1439f6bf83ef0b55fd78ae6/tumblr_muxu7zl0Tu1sw4nqxo1_500.png)

Please be a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on October 21, 2013, 02:44:05 am
Just like black people murdered in hate crimes support violence against white people.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 21, 2013, 03:16:13 am
Quote from: Beezlebub on October 21, 2013, 02:44:05 am
Just like black people murdered in hate crimes support violence against white people.



Uh...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on October 21, 2013, 05:34:30 am
Sarcasm
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 21, 2013, 07:28:47 am
I know, but the scenario broke my logic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 21, 2013, 07:45:46 am
Zombies and ghosts, man.  Zombies and ghosts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on October 21, 2013, 01:50:46 pm
I think some of the Greeks obviously believed in the gods, but many others didn't.

What is clear is that even many of the Greeks who believed in the gods didn't worship them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 21, 2013, 05:40:49 pm
I wouldn't worship someone who'd turn me into a flea or something because they woke up on the wrong side of the bed either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 21, 2013, 06:08:46 pm
Spider.

Ironbite-was a spider actually.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 21, 2013, 06:14:23 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on October 21, 2013, 01:50:46 pm
I think some of the Greeks obviously believed in the gods, but many others didn't.

What is clear is that even many of the Greeks who believed in the gods didn't worship them.

I was talking more about the myths themselves than the deities, actually.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 22, 2013, 02:43:23 pm
(http://cdn0.dailydot.com/uploaded/images/original/2013/6/11/forf.png)

Somebody doesn't get the joke...

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/zydratee/37585272/17939/original.png)

You don't get to compare the murder of twenty innocent children to farm animals.
Fuck you.

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/zydratee/37585272/18239/original.png)

My mom was a stay at home mom. She provided a good home for three children while fighting a disability so I think you need to shut the fuck up.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8vzhzacue1rdnlj0o1_1280.jpg)

Or it could be that cis people identify with their biological gender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 22, 2013, 02:54:03 pm
*heavy sigh at cis/trans explanation*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 22, 2013, 04:24:53 pm
Uh...I think you got your tragedies confused there jebus.  Aurora was the theater shooting, Sandy Hook was the kids.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 22, 2013, 05:31:32 pm
Quote
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/zydratee/37585272/17939/original.png)

We all know what the gun control debate is really about: protecting cows from farmers with shotguns.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on October 22, 2013, 07:09:57 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 22, 2013, 02:43:23 pm

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/zydratee/37585272/18239/original.png)


My mother has a full teaching degree. Most of my life, however, she was a stay at home mom, because she needed to care for me and my younger siblings, who are triplets and were born two months premature. She started working again two years ago. Whoever made this image, fuck yourself with a rusty halberd.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on October 22, 2013, 08:51:33 pm
Im trying to do the mental gymnastics to connect aurora to farming and...its just not happening
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on October 22, 2013, 10:05:37 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on October 20, 2013, 06:49:54 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2013, 06:34:27 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 20, 2013, 06:09:16 pm
....Artemis.  Artemis was the virgin goddess.

Ironbite-blessed saints.

Artemis, Athena, and Hestia were the three "virgin goddesses" of Greek mythology.

Yeah, but it was Artemis who was aggressively virgin. Hell she turned Aktion into a stag just for seeing her bathing.

One word:  Endymion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 22, 2013, 11:14:20 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 22, 2013, 04:24:53 pm
Uh...I think you got your tragedies confused there jebus.  Aurora was the theater shooting, Sandy Hook was the kids.

Yeah I did, I was in a hurry. Apologies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on October 23, 2013, 04:23:29 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 22, 2013, 02:43:23 pm
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/zydratee/37585272/18239/original.png)

There was a statue put up by a Latina artist paying homage to women to worked in the house in order to build their community. And of course radfems thought it was insulting. Then I posted a cartoon showing how women of color who do domestic work and/or stay at home were mistreated by mainstream society and labeled as lazy. And again I was chided by a white radfem for "caring too much about race" and for "glorifying" domestication. The problem with the type of feminists like the OP is that they see feminism from a very narrow Upper Middle Class White American point of view and they attack any form of feminism that sees it in any other way. For example the notion that working will liberate you from sexism as the OP might suggest. It doesn't work cross-culturally. In Southeast Asia, women are the money makers. And they still face the burn of sexism in many very visible ways. The thing is. . . the form of feminism that worked for the OP doesn't work for all women, not even in America.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on October 23, 2013, 04:42:40 am
What's even worse than people who don't understand intersectionality are those who are familiar with it and spend hours lecturing others on it, yet completely toss it out the window when it comes to regional and cultural differences. I've seen so many people make Americentric assumptions about racial and gender tensions in other nations and refuse to listen to people who actually live in those regions, all the while bragging about how intersectional they are. It's extremely frustrating.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: largeham on October 23, 2013, 06:52:42 am
Except that sometimes childcare is too expensive for some families, so one parent stays at home, and it usually is the woman due to the fact that women on average earn less than men, so the income loss will be less. Plus, it isn't a good idea to blame women for their own oppression (or what you see as oppression).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 23, 2013, 11:46:13 am
Quote from: gyeonghwa on October 23, 2013, 04:23:29 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 22, 2013, 02:43:23 pm
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/zydratee/37585272/18239/original.png)

There was a statue put up by a Latina artist paying homage to women to worked in the house in order to build their community. And of course radfems thought it was insulting. Then I posted a cartoon showing how women of color who do domestic work and/or stay at home were mistreated by mainstream society and labeled as lazy. And again I was chided by a white radfem for "caring too much about race" and for "glorifying" domestication. The problem with the type of feminists like the OP is that they see feminism from a very narrow Upper Middle Class White American point of view and they attack any form of feminism that sees it in any other way. For example the notion that working will liberate you from sexism as the OP might suggest. It doesn't work cross-culturally. In Southeast Asia, women are the money makers. And they still face the burn of sexism in many very visible ways. The thing is. . . the form of feminism that worked for the OP doesn't work for all women, not even in America.

A lot of radicals (not just feminists, but generally any radical SJW) tend to not go for actual equality and choice, but demanding that everyone "rebel" until what they want is the new standard for humanity. Instead of wanting women to have the choice to work or be stay-at-home moms, they want all women to work and attack anyone who choose a domestic life. Or this one from a few posts back (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8vzhzacue1rdnlj0o1_1280.jpg) where instead of allowing transsexuals full rights and recognition as valid, they imply that cissexuality in itself is bad and want everyone to willingly change their gender in the name of rebellion. That one also comes with a side of unfortunate implications, as it can come off as stating that transsexuality is a choice. The same argument is often made to explain why discrimination against homosexuals and transsexuals is okay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on October 23, 2013, 01:04:58 pm
Quote from: largeham on October 23, 2013, 06:52:42 am
Except that sometimes childcare is too expensive for some families, so one parent stays at home, and it usually is the woman due to the fact that women on average earn less than men, so the income loss will be less. Plus, it isn't a good idea to blame women for their own oppression (or what you see as oppression).

Yeah childcare is a demanding job too. So is housework. Sometimes I wonder if people think being a stay-at-home person is like Real Housewives of Laguna Beach or some shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on October 23, 2013, 02:01:42 pm
Quote from: largeham on October 23, 2013, 06:52:42 am
Except that sometimes childcare is too expensive for some families, so one parent stays at home, and it usually is the woman due to the fact that women on average earn less than men, so the income loss will be less. Plus, it isn't a good idea to blame women for their own oppression (or what you see as oppression).

You also have to figure in the cost of a second vehicle and its insurance, gas, and upkeep. 
My wife is due in 4 weeks and we have looked at very closely. She can't afford to go back to work until this baby is old enough to only need before and after care (junior kindergarten).

I make about double what she makes so me staying home and her working just isn't an option.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 23, 2013, 04:13:17 pm
I shudder with outrage when I see the shit some radfems say about housewives, or what MRA's say about stay-at-home dad's.

We lived in a fairly big, nice house when I was a kid. My dad inherited half, and bought out my uncle's share of it, or we'd never have been able to afford such a nice place. My mom graduated from Duke with a degree in sociology, minor in education. She taught 1st and 2nd grade, then had my two brothers and stayed home with them until they were preschool age, then went back to teaching for 6 years, had me, then we moved into my late grandma's big house when I was 4.

There was no way she and my dad could keep that house decent as a team if they both worked, which is what they'd done up until then. The nostalgia stereotype of 1950's-1960's dad's being unwilling to help do housework is bullshit from Hollywood, BTW, unless they we're at least upper middle class and had a part time house keeper come in. I remember Mom got up at 6, started breakfast, got my bros off to school, and did housework and etc. all fucking day long, the only breaks she took were to sit down and eat the meals she cooked. She coached us all with any homework problems, Dad would get home two hours or more late half the time, because he worked OT to make up for Mom's lost teacher salary. She'd go reheat his dinner while he showered. She then did the bill paying and household book keeping, tax prep, setting appointments, etc. in the evenings. By the time Dad got home on Fridays, he took over the house work after sleeping in late Saturday morning. He would do the heavy duty stuff like stripping the wax off the kitchen floor and re-waxing it, cleaning the oven, bleaching the big metal garbage cans out back, washing the dog, etc. They both had all us kids do chores in the meanwhile, mostly the yard and garden work and window cleaning. We never went to church but for Easter or Xmas - Sunday we did stuff as a family for fun.

Once I was in grade school, Mom got back into tennis, which she played at Duke on their tennis team, taking lessons to sharpen her skills, then she became a tennis coach at the public park courts 2 blocks away. That income meant Dad could ease off a bit, and they could afford to hire a professional house keeper to come once a week, and Mom would work right along with the house keeper, and they'd bust out all the heavy duty chores together. That was a major milestone for them. They finally got to have their evenings free most of the time. It took them 15 years to attain that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 27, 2013, 12:19:15 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/be25e6196e29d1c982385eed3b816320/tumblr_muw40mDBUD1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Is this real life?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: largeham on October 27, 2013, 04:42:42 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 27, 2013, 12:19:15 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/be25e6196e29d1c982385eed3b816320/tumblr_muw40mDBUD1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Is this real life?

For a second I thought multiple systems meant open/polygamous/etc relationships.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on October 27, 2013, 05:10:23 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 27, 2013, 12:19:15 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/be25e6196e29d1c982385eed3b816320/tumblr_muw40mDBUD1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Is this real life?

My SJW-English translator is broken. Could someone please explain (or link to the original post so that I might have some context)?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 27, 2013, 05:16:18 am
Quote from: dpareja on October 27, 2013, 05:10:23 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 27, 2013, 12:19:15 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/be25e6196e29d1c982385eed3b816320/tumblr_muw40mDBUD1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Is this real life?

My SJW-English translator is broken. Could someone please explain (or link to the original post so that I might have some context)?

"Multiple system" refers to those people who claim to have multiple personalities in their head. A good amount are just weirdo Special Snowflakes who essentially fake MPD, rather than actually having a mental illness that they're trying to rationalize. They sometimes even make it out to be actual spirits or entities taking up brain space, rather than just having split personalities. The post is talking about how, morally speaking, you need to immediately stop sex as soon as the person "switches" because you need to get consent from the new one.

Depending on how often this person is "switching", you may end up playing a game of Red Light, Green Light with coitus.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 27, 2013, 05:40:24 am
Hey, you know what I called the multiple personalities living in my brain?

Imaginary friends.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on October 27, 2013, 10:00:16 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on October 27, 2013, 05:16:18 am
Quote from: dpareja on October 27, 2013, 05:10:23 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 27, 2013, 12:19:15 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/be25e6196e29d1c982385eed3b816320/tumblr_muw40mDBUD1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Is this real life?

My SJW-English translator is broken. Could someone please explain (or link to the original post so that I might have some context)?

"Multiple system" refers to those people who claim to have multiple personalities in their head. A good amount are just weirdo Special Snowflakes who essentially fake MPD, rather than actually having a mental illness that they're trying to rationalize. They sometimes even make it out to be actual spirits or entities taking up brain space, rather than just having split personalities. The post is talking about how, morally speaking, you need to immediately stop sex as soon as the person "switches" because you need to get consent from the new one.

Depending on how often this person is "switching", you may end up playing a game of Red Light, Green Light with coitus.

Ah, I see. Thank you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 27, 2013, 04:03:04 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 27, 2013, 12:19:15 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/be25e6196e29d1c982385eed3b816320/tumblr_muw40mDBUD1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Is this real life?

No it's just fantasy.

Ironbite-I wish this person gets caught in a landslide though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 27, 2013, 05:11:08 pm
That would be a hell of an escape from reality.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 27, 2013, 05:49:50 pm
Some of these people are so crazy... I bet their mommas fear that they'll kill a man.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on October 27, 2013, 05:54:53 pm
I'll put a gun against all of your heads if you don't stop this Bohemian Rhapsody recital.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 27, 2013, 06:00:40 pm
Just pull the trigger to fire two warning shots against 'em both.

Oops now they're dead.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 27, 2013, 06:40:58 pm
But life has just begun!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 27, 2013, 07:36:31 pm
Will you let us go?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on October 27, 2013, 07:46:48 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 27, 2013, 06:40:58 pm
But life has just begun!

But now you've gone and thrown it all away!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 27, 2013, 07:50:04 pm
Ooooooooooooooh...

This might make me cry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on October 27, 2013, 07:58:13 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 27, 2013, 06:00:40 pm
Just pull the trigger to fire two warning shots against 'em both.

Oops now they're dead.

If I'm not back again this time tomorrow, shoot them all, shoot them all...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 27, 2013, 08:02:58 pm
Man, nothing in this thread really matters.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 27, 2013, 08:11:13 pm
Hey I see a little silhouette of a topic!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 27, 2013, 08:16:44 pm
Fuck it.

SCARAMOUCHE SCARAMOUCHE

Ironbite, will you do the fandango?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on October 27, 2013, 08:43:50 pm
Like a thunderbolt of lightning, you guys are very very frightening me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 28, 2013, 12:54:19 am
(http://i.imgur.com/49stk9l.png?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/FZf7yzw.png?1)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 28, 2013, 01:20:04 am
I think you'll find that making castration a requirement for a guy to be a feminist will result in a lot of guys not wanting to be feminists :|
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on October 28, 2013, 03:07:43 am
Why do you figure that those people were pro-feminist? I read that as the usual anti-feminist garbage; women's rights means castrating men and so on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 28, 2013, 10:17:00 am
Oddly, I agree with Fred. Pretty sure those comments were written by anti-feminists/MRAs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 28, 2013, 11:23:34 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 28, 2013, 10:17:00 am
Oddly, I agree with Fred. Pretty sure those comments were written by anti-feminists/MRAs.

"thenationalisthousewife" would a curious name for an MRA, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 28, 2013, 11:35:54 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on October 28, 2013, 11:23:34 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 28, 2013, 10:17:00 am
Oddly, I agree with Fred. Pretty sure those comments were written by anti-feminists/MRAs.

"thenationalisthousewife" would a curious name for an MRA, though.
Don't forget that anti-feminists include several women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on October 28, 2013, 01:20:46 pm
Quote from: askold on October 28, 2013, 11:35:54 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on October 28, 2013, 11:23:34 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 28, 2013, 10:17:00 am
Oddly, I agree with Fred. Pretty sure those comments were written by anti-feminists/MRAs.

"thenationalisthousewife" would a curious name for an MRA, though.
Don't forget that anti-feminists include several women.

Yup. There are quite a few women who are anti-feminist. There's some form of irony there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 28, 2013, 01:54:43 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on October 28, 2013, 11:23:34 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 28, 2013, 10:17:00 am
Oddly, I agree with Fred. Pretty sure those comments were written by anti-feminists/MRAs.

"thenationalisthousewife" would a curious name for an MRA, though.

I don't know if she's an MRA, but she's not a feminist. (http://thenationalisthousewife.tumblr.com/post/65328481409/things-tumblr-has-taught-me)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 28, 2013, 07:10:33 pm
Alrighty then, that makes more sense.

I felt like the final comment was by an anti-feminist, but the other two could've been by radfems (especially since many of them think that the only safe man is a man without his junk.)

The scary thing is, sometimes it's really hard to tell the difference between radfems and anti-fems.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on October 28, 2013, 07:45:32 pm
Let us not forget Nietzsche's most famous words: "he who fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster." These ultra-feminists have become so radical they are now just as bad as their avowed enemies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on October 28, 2013, 08:35:29 pm
We really need to set up a radfem and an MRA on a blind date. Ideally in a city we don't like.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 28, 2013, 09:11:06 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on October 28, 2013, 08:35:29 pm
We really need to set up a radfem and an MRA on a blind date. Ideally in a city we don't like.

Well, it'd probably be the last straw in getting rid of Detroit...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on October 28, 2013, 09:45:29 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on October 28, 2013, 08:35:29 pm
We really need to set up a radfem and an MRA on a blind date. Ideally in a city we don't like.
Austin, Texas.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on October 28, 2013, 10:00:48 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on October 28, 2013, 09:45:29 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on October 28, 2013, 08:35:29 pm
We really need to set up a radfem and an MRA on a blind date. Ideally in a city we don't like.
Austin, Texas.

Indianapolis... seriously, Dallas aside, that city's a shithole.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on October 28, 2013, 11:05:45 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on October 28, 2013, 09:45:29 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on October 28, 2013, 08:35:29 pm
We really need to set up a radfem and an MRA on a blind date. Ideally in a city we don't like.
Austin, Texas.

Hey, Austin is a great place. It's the only city in Texas that's truly worth a damn.

Oh yeah, fuck Dallas too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on October 29, 2013, 01:01:01 am
If I were from anywhere else in Canada, I'd probably say Vancouver, but as it is, Toronto.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: kefkaownsall on October 29, 2013, 01:16:45 am
That blog gave me cancer seriously who spins their posts
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 02, 2013, 09:33:18 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 28, 2013, 01:54:43 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on October 28, 2013, 11:23:34 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 28, 2013, 10:17:00 am
Oddly, I agree with Fred. Pretty sure those comments were written by anti-feminists/MRAs.

"thenationalisthousewife" would a curious name for an MRA, though.

I don't know if she's an MRA, but she's not a feminist. (http://thenationalisthousewife.tumblr.com/post/65328481409/things-tumblr-has-taught-me)

Sigma, homie, you could've warned us about the "music!"  Assuming you had audio on and heard it, that is...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 03, 2013, 12:02:51 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/84fc1a7e0632c34d0506bb618900bbd5/tumblr_muyi93ytQf1sa3yn9o1_500.png)

Yeah fuck those white boy and their sweaters!

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/0c68fa0b399b7d8d7342e308a63c616a/tumblr_mnycdkJdvg1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

This just in: There was no racism before America. More at ten.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/577c7c18055c57a941941b7f96124677/tumblr_mmu8mmAIQ01ryeto5o1_500.png)

I don't think you understand what "non binary" means.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 03, 2013, 12:19:08 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 02, 2013, 09:33:18 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 28, 2013, 01:54:43 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on October 28, 2013, 11:23:34 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 28, 2013, 10:17:00 am
Oddly, I agree with Fred. Pretty sure those comments were written by anti-feminists/MRAs.

"thenationalisthousewife" would a curious name for an MRA, though.

I don't know if she's an MRA, but she's not a feminist. (http://thenationalisthousewife.tumblr.com/post/65328481409/things-tumblr-has-taught-me)

Sigma, homie, you could've warned us about the "music!"  Assuming you had audio on and heard it, that is...

Oops, sorry, didn't know there was music. For some reason or another it isn't playing for me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 03, 2013, 12:36:55 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on October 28, 2013, 08:35:29 pm
We really need to set up a radfem and an MRA on a blind date. Ideally in a city we don't like.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/22ec7b730434a4bd49caeb02b39ff6b6/tumblr_mtcblaxWje1sbfmh7o1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/8f6308eba70a5e240e3212dc0b8a5f4d/tumblr_mtcblaxWje1sbfmh7o2_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: largeham on November 03, 2013, 01:19:29 am
I feel sick.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on November 03, 2013, 03:03:30 am
I dont even know what to think of that
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 03, 2013, 03:10:17 am
That's my OTP.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 03, 2013, 03:16:34 am
They do deserve each other.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 03, 2013, 05:04:40 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on November 03, 2013, 12:19:08 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 02, 2013, 09:33:18 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 28, 2013, 01:54:43 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on October 28, 2013, 11:23:34 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on October 28, 2013, 10:17:00 am
Oddly, I agree with Fred. Pretty sure those comments were written by anti-feminists/MRAs.

"thenationalisthousewife" would a curious name for an MRA, though.

I don't know if she's an MRA, but she's not a feminist. (http://thenationalisthousewife.tumblr.com/post/65328481409/things-tumblr-has-taught-me)

Sigma, homie, you could've warned us about the "music!"  Assuming you had audio on and heard it, that is...

Oops, sorry, didn't know there was music. For some reason or another it isn't playing for me.

Tis cool, bro, no big thang.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 03, 2013, 06:08:45 pm
My browser blocks those auto-play things now cause of my script blocker.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 03, 2013, 08:38:20 pm
Thankfully, that bullshit seems to have largely died on regular (read, not like YouTube) sites shortly after the early 2000s were over.  I'll never forget the days when shitty MIDI renditions of classic songs were all the rage on half the sites to which you navigated.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 04, 2013, 12:03:33 am
Oh wow... yeah the days when Geocities and Angelfire were the majority of do-it-yourself interneting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on November 04, 2013, 07:57:43 am
Oh, and you can't forget all the animated GIFs used as banners, icons, mouse cursors, and even the entire background.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 04, 2013, 11:29:01 am
I remember ages ago... I went on one of those gif-heavy sites, where... there was almost nothing BUT animated gifs and my computer (thankfully a college compy in the computer lab) just went all BSOD and crashed.

I guess it couldn'a stand the strain, Cap'n.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on November 04, 2013, 11:38:39 am
About a year ago my dad was really excited about this amazing website he'd found and I couldn't help laughing when he showed me, because it was an incredibly dated 90s website with music, that weird stone effect background, and loads of sparkles following the pointer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 04, 2013, 12:56:57 pm
I admit that I actually made a couple of those geocities sites. :(
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on November 04, 2013, 12:58:38 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on November 04, 2013, 07:57:43 am
Oh, and you can't forget all the animated GIFs used as banners, icons, mouse cursors, and even the entire background.

If you look through the archaeological remains of MySpace you'll still find those.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 04, 2013, 04:30:49 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on November 04, 2013, 11:38:39 am
About a year ago my dad was really excited about this amazing website he'd found and I couldn't help laughing when he showed me, because it was an incredibly dated 90s website with music, that weird stone effect background, and loads of sparkles following the pointer.
My mom's friend has a site like that: gif background, obnoxious music, sparkly cursor, everything. The funny bit is that said friend is in her sixties and that it's her business website.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 04, 2013, 05:52:58 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on November 04, 2013, 12:56:57 pm
I admit that I actually made a couple of those geocities sites. :(

Hell, I still look fondly back at Geocities; it was the only thing that made web design palatable for me.  Even then, even I knew that such things were bad form, back then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 04, 2013, 06:08:08 pm
Oh yeah, I'm guilty as charged of using Geocities too.  Never did get any of my webpage ideas off the ground aside from the front splash page, though... ah well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 04, 2013, 06:34:06 pm
I had something worse than a geocities page once.

...I had an AOL page.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on November 04, 2013, 06:44:11 pm
Back in middle school, I jazzed up my Neopets profile with a snazzy background, music, and a sparkly cursor. Good stuff. At least they were all Harry Potter related.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on November 04, 2013, 07:50:08 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on November 04, 2013, 06:44:11 pm
Back in middle school, I jazzed up my Neopets profile with a snazzy background, music, and a sparkly cursor. Good stuff. At least they were all Harry Potter related.

Ah, Neopets.  I kinda miss it.  Y'know, before it went corporate and advertisement-heavy on every-fucking-thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on November 04, 2013, 08:18:39 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on November 04, 2013, 12:58:38 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on November 04, 2013, 07:57:43 am
Oh, and you can't forget all the animated GIFs used as banners, icons, mouse cursors, and even the entire background.

If you look through the archaeological remains of MySpace you'll still find those.

I just went to my old MySpace, because I was feeling nostalgic about the tacky background pattern I had, but it's not there because MySpace has been all modernised!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 05, 2013, 12:08:20 am
Quote from: Sleepy on November 04, 2013, 06:44:11 pm
Back in middle school, I jazzed up my Neopets profile with a snazzy background, music, and a sparkly cursor. Good stuff. At least they were all Harry Potter related.

Remember way back when they had those little mini pages for your pets? I didn't even use mine for my pets I changed as much of them as I could and used them for my LOTR themed guild.
Good times. Good times.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 05, 2013, 12:25:32 pm
I'm technically still on Neopets. I'm pretty glad they don't delete accounts and that pets can't die if you haven't logged in for a while.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on November 05, 2013, 12:35:19 pm
I admittedly still log in to send my pet to a hotel, where they feed him for me for a solid month. He has so much fun there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on November 06, 2013, 07:35:55 am
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on November 04, 2013, 07:50:08 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on November 04, 2013, 06:44:11 pm
Back in middle school, I jazzed up my Neopets profile with a snazzy background, music, and a sparkly cursor. Good stuff. At least they were all Harry Potter related.

Ah, Neopets.  I kinda miss it.  Y'know, before it went corporate and advertisement-heavy on every-fucking-thing.

Same, it just lost some of the charm. I went back to have a look a year or so bad, felt depressed that the guild thing I was in no-longer existed. I remember that a lot of the big ones were husks, because all the senior members had their accounts "frozen" so they couldn't be removed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on November 06, 2013, 11:21:49 am
Quote from: Sleepy on November 05, 2013, 12:35:19 pm
I admittedly still log in to send my pet to a hotel, where they feed him for me for a solid month. He has so much fun there.

This sentence feels like it's full of euphemisms.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 06, 2013, 02:45:55 pm
Quote
I look forward to the day when we can legally buy and sell men.

Do these oh so ~edgy~ misandrist not realize how unapologetically racist they're being?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 06, 2013, 03:18:38 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 06, 2013, 02:45:55 pm
Quote
I look forward to the day when we can legally buy and sell men.

Do these oh so ~edgy~ misandrist not realize how unapologetically racist they're being?

They'd probably counter with "I'm not racist, I hate men of all colors!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Illusive Man on November 06, 2013, 08:19:22 pm
I have seen that used as some sort of faux moral high ground. TL:DR they literally think that are morally superior than racists because unlike racists they only hate at least half the human population. Plus some women they considered "traitors" too. Unfortunately one extreme does not negate another.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on November 07, 2013, 04:58:00 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 06, 2013, 02:45:55 pm
Quote
I look forward to the day when we can legally buy and sell men.

You mean again?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on November 07, 2013, 01:09:30 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on November 06, 2013, 03:18:38 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 06, 2013, 02:45:55 pm
Quote
I look forward to the day when we can legally buy and sell men.

Do these oh so ~edgy~ misandrist not realize how unapologetically racist they're being?

They'd probably counter with "I'm not racist, I hate men of all colors!"

And categorically deny the fact that they can and do oppress men of color because they don't understand that oppression isn't linear.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 08, 2013, 12:39:47 am
"Diagnosing" yourself with (usually mental) disorders and then getting butthurt when people tell you you're most likely completely wrong is the next big thing on Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 08, 2013, 01:17:11 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 08, 2013, 12:39:47 am
"Diagnosing" yourself with (usually mental) disorders and then getting butthurt when people tell you you're most likely completely wrong is the next big thing on Tumblr.
Oh not this shit again. The funny/sad thing is that a lot of these ~*speshal snoflakkes*~ couldn't diagnose a missing limb.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on November 08, 2013, 01:38:24 am
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on November 08, 2013, 01:17:11 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 08, 2013, 12:39:47 am
"Diagnosing" yourself with (usually mental) disorders and then getting butthurt when people tell you you're most likely completely wrong is the next big thing on Tumblr.
Oh not this shit again. The funny/sad thing is that a lot of these ~*speshal snoflakkes*~ couldn't diagnose a missing limb.

No, I'm totally an anthro fox who's missing a tail!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 08, 2013, 02:53:37 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/38e1dcbf6b0bf7a48fb5a72c007472c0/tumblr_mvxbghRYUi1rmluldo1_500.jpg)

Yeah having to put up with some assholes diet advice is pretty shitty, but it's in no way comparable to the worst concentration camp in human history.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Indikins on November 08, 2013, 03:22:14 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 08, 2013, 02:53:37 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/38e1dcbf6b0bf7a48fb5a72c007472c0/tumblr_mvxbghRYUi1rmluldo1_500.jpg)

Yeah having to put up with some assholes diet advice is pretty shitty, but it's in no way comparable to the worst concentration camp in human history.

That's like those people who think that paying taxes is like being a slave on a plantation in the eighteen century.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 08, 2013, 10:34:32 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 08, 2013, 02:53:37 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/38e1dcbf6b0bf7a48fb5a72c007472c0/tumblr_mvxbghRYUi1rmluldo1_500.jpg)

Yeah having to put up with some assholes diet advice is pretty shitty, but it's in no way comparable to the worst concentration camp in human history.

I see your Auschwitz and raise you a Holodomor. It's a bit more comparable to a diet, you just aren't exactly in control of it.

(Neither is good but if we're going to do our similes do it right.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on November 08, 2013, 10:52:35 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 08, 2013, 02:53:37 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/38e1dcbf6b0bf7a48fb5a72c007472c0/tumblr_mvxbghRYUi1rmluldo1_500.jpg)

Yeah having to put up with some assholes diet advice is pretty shitty, but it's in no way comparable to the worst concentration camp in human history.

I love how this person admits that some people say that they're "Deeply confused about reality" and just immediately disregards anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 10, 2013, 09:36:44 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/9c2417932bec41d778263a89047f8ffe/tumblr_mvw79mKjw31sxud2go1_1280.png)

Why was this tagged "body policing" when nobody was body policing them?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on November 10, 2013, 10:21:54 pm
Praising someone for losing weight (assuming they're not going into unhealthy territory) can provide them with a great deal of confidence and motivation to continue a healthy lifestyle. It's always good to support someone when they're trying to do something that can be extremely difficult.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on November 10, 2013, 11:09:52 pm
I see your Auschwitz and Holodomor and raise you Camp 15 Yodok and Camp 14 Kaechon. As said by one of the escapees in the documentary Camp 14: Total Control Zone they make the rest of North Korea look like a fucking heaven.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on November 11, 2013, 12:23:25 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 10, 2013, 09:36:44 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/9c2417932bec41d778263a89047f8ffe/tumblr_mvw79mKjw31sxud2go1_1280.png)

Why was this tagged "body policing" when nobody was body policing them?

So what is this person doing personally to try and lose weight?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on November 11, 2013, 12:39:45 am
Don't you get it? That's exactly the sort of wieghtist sort of thing that enforces fat oppression. Check you're thin privilege./SJW
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 11, 2013, 01:04:19 am
I hate fat shaming but I'm still trying to lose weight myself.

Not necessarily because of society's standards (though I would be lying if I said they didn't play any part at all) but mostly because I'm tired of being tired.

Praising someone for losing weight is not fat shaming.  Shaming someone for being fat is fat shaming.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on November 11, 2013, 09:32:07 am
I just love how it really is "all about me." Somebody needs to be handed books on botanical Latin and Greek mythology and a have nice bouquet of Daffodils shoved up their ass bulbs first so they can stand around awkwardly and uncomfortably in a public place so they can be the center of attention as they try to figure out the obscure reference.

After they do eventually crap out the answer to the puzzle somebody can explain to them that even if all seven billion of us do unanimously decide that they are the single most important thing on the planet that ever was and ever will be and we are going to rename the world after them in honor of that fact they need to go look into the sky one night and realize that all we have done is named a grain of sand on a rather large beach.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on November 12, 2013, 04:56:49 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/eaf3cc4c6eb65ab357971e837923d25a/tumblr_mkbobzwHhI1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

I could make a comment, but it's just too fuckin' easy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 12, 2013, 04:59:10 pm
Pretty sure that one is tongue-in-cheek.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on November 12, 2013, 07:44:41 pm
Yeah, that sounds like sarcasm making fun of people who say, "I'm not sexist, some of my best friends are women" or "I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 12, 2013, 09:56:12 pm
I am not a racist! Some of my best friends are black, I just so happen to want to disenfranchise them at a local, state, countrywide and metaphysical level!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on November 13, 2013, 02:02:55 am
Quote from: niam2023 on November 12, 2013, 09:56:12 pm
I am not a racist! Some of my best friends are black, I just so happen to want to disenfranchise them at a local, state, countrywide and metaphysical level!

Uh... metaphysical level?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 13, 2013, 04:12:35 am


Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on November 13, 2013, 02:02:55 am
Quote from: niam2023 on November 12, 2013, 09:56:12 pm
I am not a racist! Some of my best friends are black, I just so happen to want to disenfranchise them at a local, state, countrywide and metaphysical level!

Uh... metaphysical level?
Hmmn... *Shrugs* Say they don't have souls or something? 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Osama bin Bambi on November 13, 2013, 09:52:52 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on November 13, 2013, 04:12:35 am


Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on November 13, 2013, 02:02:55 am
Quote from: niam2023 on November 12, 2013, 09:56:12 pm
I am not a racist! Some of my best friends are black, I just so happen to want to disenfranchise them at a local, state, countrywide and metaphysical level!

Uh... metaphysical level?
Hmmn... *Shrugs* Say they don't have souls or something? 

Wasn't that a Mormon doctrine for a while?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on November 13, 2013, 10:00:53 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on November 13, 2013, 09:52:52 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on November 13, 2013, 04:12:35 am


Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on November 13, 2013, 02:02:55 am
Quote from: niam2023 on November 12, 2013, 09:56:12 pm
I am not a racist! Some of my best friends are black, I just so happen to want to disenfranchise them at a local, state, countrywide and metaphysical level!

Uh... metaphysical level?
Hmmn... *Shrugs* Say they don't have souls or something? 

Wasn't that a Mormon doctrine for a while?

According to "I Believe" from The Book of Mormon, yes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 13, 2013, 11:09:11 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on November 13, 2013, 09:52:52 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on November 13, 2013, 04:12:35 am


Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on November 13, 2013, 02:02:55 am
Quote from: niam2023 on November 12, 2013, 09:56:12 pm
I am not a racist! Some of my best friends are black, I just so happen to want to disenfranchise them at a local, state, countrywide and metaphysical level!

Uh... metaphysical level?
Hmmn... *Shrugs* Say they don't have souls or something? 

Wasn't that a Mormon doctrine for a while?

To an extent, that's in their fucking holy book.  They literally say all black people are cursed by god to be noxious, rebellious, and loathsome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on November 13, 2013, 07:41:54 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on November 13, 2013, 09:52:52 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on November 13, 2013, 04:12:35 am


Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on November 13, 2013, 02:02:55 am
Quote from: niam2023 on November 12, 2013, 09:56:12 pm
I am not a racist! Some of my best friends are black, I just so happen to want to disenfranchise them at a local, state, countrywide and metaphysical level!

Uh... metaphysical level?
Hmmn... *Shrugs* Say they don't have souls or something? 

Wasn't that a Mormon doctrine for a while?
My boyfriend's ex-Mormon, I can confirm. Also apparently his mom had a friend years ago who told them that she knew a native american who converted to mormonism and claimed that her skin turned whiter afterwards. I'm not shitting you, his mom's friend actually said that. (Even though yes, I realize this is three or four degrees of he-said-she-said) I didn't even know where to begin after he told me that. Just... what?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 13, 2013, 10:40:57 pm
To clarify; I want to segregate metaphysics into white metaphysics and black metaphysics, which would be separate but equal except not really, and enforced by Qwantum Qlux Qlan.

There is a different metaphysical rule for the melanin proficient and deficient chosen by powers most middle to high. I couldn't get powers most high, so we settled for the middle man.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 17, 2013, 06:36:39 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/b28a2248c2b84036bf62a04c0cdb2a40/tumblr_mw8vrsCN061ryeto5o1_500.png)

Yeah, I mean it's almost as if they're angry at you for appropriating their struggles. How dare they!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 17, 2013, 08:44:24 pm
I read the same thing (about I-got-whiter-when-I-became-a-Mormon thing) in a Christian here's-why-you-suck type book back when I cared. Apparently, racism is only bad when Mormons/Jews/Muslims/atheists/whatevers are racist. When their bible is used to justify racism/slavery/genocide/murder etc, it's a totally excusable metaphor for "submission to god" or "a xtain's duty" or somesuch.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 18, 2013, 03:43:04 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/422cc5289216f1c2e8e82ace152f9b8f/tumblr_mwgk4kHElT1ryeto5o1_500.png)

*loud suffering sigh*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 18, 2013, 04:35:10 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on November 18, 2013, 03:43:04 pm
[snip]

*loud suffering sigh*
Lol wat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 18, 2013, 06:20:08 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on November 18, 2013, 03:43:04 pm
*snip*

*loud suffering sigh*

What the fuck are emoji and uwu?

aslo, y tlak leik tihs>
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 18, 2013, 06:54:15 pm
Emoticons. uwu is one of them.

Also some portions of tumblr talk like that because it's how language has 'evolved' there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 18, 2013, 06:56:35 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on November 18, 2013, 06:54:15 pm
Emoticons. uwu is one of them.

Also some portions of tumblr talk like that because it's how language has 'evolved' there.

If by "evolve," you mean completely forgot basic motor control.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 18, 2013, 07:08:35 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on November 18, 2013, 06:54:15 pm
Emoticons. uwu is one of them.

Also some portions of tumblr talk like that because it's how language has 'evolved' there.

So, what, is emoji Japanese (or more specifically, American Otaku Japanase) for "Emoticon"?

And I think I can see uwu as an emotionicon now, but I still see it as a word instead of one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on November 18, 2013, 07:09:44 pm
Ugh, I cant stand emoticons with w in them, it looks idiotic
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 18, 2013, 07:12:43 pm
OwO

...

That just makes me think of owls for some reason, even though an owl emoticon would be OvO
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on November 18, 2013, 07:41:25 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 17, 2013, 06:36:39 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/b28a2248c2b84036bf62a04c0cdb2a40/tumblr_mw8vrsCN061ryeto5o1_500.png)

Yeah, I mean it's almost as if they're angry at you for appropriating their struggles. How dare they!

Amen!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 18, 2013, 08:08:32 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti
OwO

...

That just makes me think of owls for some reason, even though an owl emoticon would be OvO



I was always fond of "OvO", '0v0', or "@v@".  The googly eyes one is for owls who dosed up on the coffee that evening. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 18, 2013, 08:21:48 pm
OpO Uwu OwO

Wai u gaiz so anti-uwu!?!?!111!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 18, 2013, 08:23:41 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 18, 2013, 06:56:35 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on November 18, 2013, 06:54:15 pm
Emoticons. uwu is one of them.

Also some portions of tumblr talk like that because it's how language has 'evolved' there.

If by "evolve," you mean completely forgot basic motor control.

We have 'goodbye' because someone was using what is considered text speak so...

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on November 18, 2013, 07:08:35 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on November 18, 2013, 06:54:15 pm
Emoticons. uwu is one of them.

Also some portions of tumblr talk like that because it's how language has 'evolved' there.

So, what, is emoji Japanese (or more specifically, American Otaku Japanase) for "Emoticon"?

And I think I can see uwu as an emotionicon now, but I still see it as a word instead of one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 18, 2013, 08:56:33 pm
If the English languages degrades into netspeak, I'm switching to Latin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on November 18, 2013, 09:39:33 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 18, 2013, 08:56:33 pm
If the English languages degrades into netspeak, I'm switching to Latin.

Cav@ mtor
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 18, 2013, 09:55:14 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on November 18, 2013, 09:39:33 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 18, 2013, 08:56:33 pm
If the English languages degrades into netspeak, I'm switching to Latin.

Cav@ mtor

Oh dear goddess
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 18, 2013, 10:00:37 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on November 18, 2013, 09:39:33 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 18, 2013, 08:56:33 pm
If the English languages degrades into netspeak, I'm switching to Latin.

Cav@ mtor

Now, I thought that particular little ditty was Greek, not Latin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on November 18, 2013, 10:03:09 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 18, 2013, 10:00:37 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on November 18, 2013, 09:39:33 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 18, 2013, 08:56:33 pm
If the English languages degrades into netspeak, I'm switching to Latin.

Cav@ mtor

Now, I thought that particular little ditty was Greek, not Latin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveat_emptor
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 18, 2013, 11:30:27 pm
I can pretty much guarantee you that if you have someone who wrote and read Middle English and expose them to this current English they would declare you to be fit for bedlam.

Also Latin already served its time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Illusive Man on November 18, 2013, 11:48:35 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on November 18, 2013, 09:39:33 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 18, 2013, 08:56:33 pm
If the English languages degrades into netspeak, I'm switching to Latin.

Cav@ mtor
Welcome to the internet, NO ONE IS SAFE NOTHING IS SACRED!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 19, 2013, 12:54:34 am
I think the movie Idiocracy will someday soon become reality... but with more emoticons. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 19, 2013, 10:00:31 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on November 18, 2013, 10:03:09 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 18, 2013, 10:00:37 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on November 18, 2013, 09:39:33 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 18, 2013, 08:56:33 pm
If the English languages degrades into netspeak, I'm switching to Latin.

Cav@ mtor

Now, I thought that particular little ditty was Greek, not Latin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveat_emptor

The moar you know!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on November 19, 2013, 10:46:36 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on November 18, 2013, 11:30:27 pm
I can pretty much guarantee you that if you have someone who wrote and read Middle English and expose them to this current English they would declare you to be fit for bedlam.

Also Latin already served its time.

I dunno. If you showed them properly written English (like what we're writing), they might find it to be unusually sterile. We actually have specific spelling and grammar rules and dialect changes are extremely minor, rather than people on different sides of a country being barely able to speak to one another and everyone spelling phonetically however they wanted. We've also gradually gotten more Romance influences and even started using straight Latin for phrases, which makes it look less Germanic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 19, 2013, 01:52:21 pm
I don't know so much about that considering the history of people getting up in arms whenever the language (or anything else really) changes.

Historically, people really are afraid of change. Things are new and scary. We as a species like routine. We like knowing what to expect.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 19, 2013, 02:38:54 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/98365e5b42c9779524bad2ca21800b9e/tumblr_mtvf0mojFH1rc29i6o1_500.png)

Just another day on Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 19, 2013, 03:14:52 pm
*stunned silence*

...

Nope, I got nothing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 19, 2013, 04:47:52 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 19, 2013, 02:38:54 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/98365e5b42c9779524bad2ca21800b9e/tumblr_mtvf0mojFH1rc29i6o1_500.png)

(http://www.elevenwarriors.com/sites/default/files/images/users/DefendYoungstown/cool-story-bro-500x499.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on November 19, 2013, 07:38:59 pm
I really wanted to believe that Gender Appropriations was a poe, but after reading through the blog, I think it could actually be real. That, or a very restrained troll.

And then there's this:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/b7fe44dfd0d9556bf15a03a0363adbad/tumblr_mrjs05eYDR1ryeto5o1_250.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mythbuster43 on November 19, 2013, 07:50:42 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on November 19, 2013, 07:38:59 pm
I really wanted to believe that Gender Appropriations was a poe, but after reading through the blog, I think it could actually be real. That, or a very restrained troll.

And then there's this:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/b7fe44dfd0d9556bf15a03a0363adbad/tumblr_mrjs05eYDR1ryeto5o1_250.png)

(http://fumaga.com/i/wtf-tree-seriously.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on November 19, 2013, 09:18:45 pm
.....is she actually a pregnant wolfkin who's trying to "resist the urge" to plop her baby out in a hole in the dirt and howl or is she delusional that she's about to birth a ghost puppy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 19, 2013, 10:24:34 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on November 19, 2013, 09:18:45 pm
.....is she actually a pregnant wolfkin who's trying to "resist the urge" to plop her baby out in a hole in the dirt and howl or is she delusional that she's about to birth a ghost puppy?

I'm presuming the first one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 19, 2013, 11:04:42 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on November 19, 2013, 09:18:45 pm
.....is she actually a pregnant wolfkin who's trying to "resist the urge" to plop her baby out in a hole in the dirt and howl or is she delusional that she's about to birth a ghost puppy?

I'm hoping it's the later.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on November 20, 2013, 12:55:47 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 19, 2013, 04:47:52 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 19, 2013, 02:38:54 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/98365e5b42c9779524bad2ca21800b9e/tumblr_mtvf0mojFH1rc29i6o1_500.png)

(http://www.elevenwarriors.com/sites/default/files/images/users/DefendYoungstown/cool-story-bro-500x499.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/Unyin/Glorious_exposition_comrade.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 20, 2013, 01:04:32 am
Cool meme, dude.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Illusive Man on November 20, 2013, 01:15:49 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 19, 2013, 11:04:42 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on November 19, 2013, 09:18:45 pm
.....is she actually a pregnant wolfkin who's trying to "resist the urge" to plop her baby out in a hole in the dirt and howl or is she delusional that she's about to birth a ghost puppy?

I'm hoping it's the later.
Considering just how utterly bug fuck insane those people are I am going with both. Also, Child Protective Services to the rescue!

Quote
A crock load of bullshit been happening to me. Not even going to blog about it until the whole thing blows over. Lets just say my hiatus was because something precious and close to me was taken by an organization that is full of crazed women with no real morality or logic.

My heart is complely obliterated but somehow still barely intact. I have to jumo through unimaginable hoops for these people. It is worht it but definitely was not needed nor necessary.

I have a job again as a CNA. Working with state hospital rejects. No. Seriously.  The state dumped them on their doorstep. Literally.  I’ve been swung at and pinched and prodded and cussed at. I hate my job. But it looks good to these crazy women. And the court. So. A dad has to do what a dad has to do. And I am a dad. I love saying it. I’m so proud to say it. I have a daughter. A beautiful daughter… who doesn’t seem to remember be anymore. (http://wolf-gray.tumblr.com/post/61621251005/a-crock-load-of-bullshit-been-happening-to-me-not)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 20, 2013, 02:49:07 am
Wait... so... this is a transsexual otherkin who identifies as male, but who had a baby the female way, and... now is... a dad, but...  wolfkintransdadmom?  Is the baby even real?  If so, does the WolfDadMom view it as a wolf or a human?  Or maybe... the one blogging is the one that popped the female wolfkin's 'plug'?  My BRAIN!   I don't understand anymore!  *Bangs head on desk*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on November 20, 2013, 06:17:56 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on November 20, 2013, 02:49:07 am
Wait... so... this is a transsexual otherkin who identifies as male, but who had a baby the female way, and... now is... a dad, but...  wolfkintransdadmom?  Is the baby even real?  If so, does the WolfDadMom view it as a wolf or a human?  Or maybe... the one blogging is the one that popped the female wolfkin's 'plug'?  My BRAIN!   I don't understand anymore!  *Bangs head on desk*

It's best to just get this individual lots of padded rooms and drugs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 20, 2013, 06:33:27 am
Get me one too while you're at it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Illusive Man on November 20, 2013, 02:08:05 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on November 20, 2013, 02:49:07 am
Wait... so... this is a transsexual otherkin who identifies as male, but who had a baby the female way, and... now is... a dad, but...  wolfkintransdadmom?  Is the baby even real?  If so, does the WolfDadMom view it as a wolf or a human?  Or maybe... the one blogging is the one that popped the female wolfkin's 'plug'?  My BRAIN!   I don't understand anymore!  *Bangs head on desk*

She is a hetrosexual female with a cross dressing boyfriend. This makes things confusing at first.

(click to show/hide)

Be VERY glad that: you never had to interview them for research, this person does not act upon a somatoform or body dysmorphic disorder thus turning herself into a literal wolf girl or some other sick, twisted visage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 20, 2013, 02:55:27 pm
Quote from: The Illusive Man on November 20, 2013, 02:08:05 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on November 20, 2013, 02:49:07 am
Wait... so... this is a transsexual otherkin who identifies as male, but who had a baby the female way, and... now is... a dad, but...  wolfkintransdadmom?  Is the baby even real?  If so, does the WolfDadMom view it as a wolf or a human?  Or maybe... the one blogging is the one that popped the female wolfkin's 'plug'?  My BRAIN!   I don't understand anymore!  *Bangs head on desk*

She is a hetrosexual female with a cross dressing boyfriend. This makes things confusing at first.

(click to show/hide)

Be VERY glad that: you never had to interview them for research, this person does not act upon a somatoform or body dysmorphic disorder thus turning herself into a literal wolf girl or some other sick, twisted visage.

I know there was that one tiger man guy (who wasn't actually a furry or otherkin - he was a circus... guy.) but I'm having trouble thinking of anyone else who has actually undergone surgery for this sort of thing.  And not just threatened it.

I'm guessing she's the one on the left?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Illusive Man on November 20, 2013, 05:25:01 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on November 20, 2013, 02:55:27 pm
I know there was that one tiger man guy (who wasn't actually a furry or otherkin - he was a circus... guy.) but I'm having trouble thinking of anyone else who has actually undergone surgery for this sort of thing.  And not just threatened it.
Like it or not they are out there, usually supported by a furry group and are detached from reality. That was the case of the college I went to. Years ago I assumed the furries were just another variant of japophile due to the cat ears.

That picture was a safe for work analogue, I no longer have images of the individuals or the images they gave me. Fucking implanted whiskers, sharpened teeth among other body modifications. Infections too and the god damn smell *shudder*. Fucking surreal and revolting.

I am still pissed at the college psychology board, all of my other research topics got shot down except that even after it was revealed that they were insane. Got back at them though, they had to review presentations in stages as part of some bullshit process.  They got a good eye full of those zoophiles screwing dogs. They did not call the police or expel those who were enrolled! Those “otherkin” actually thought that such images would demonstrate that dogs could consent to sex acts.



Quote from: Magus Silveresti on November 20, 2013, 02:55:27 pm
I'm guessing she's the one on the left?
Yup, she has a "dog bone" emblem on her BDSM collar.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 20, 2013, 06:49:17 pm
Well... thanks for the explanation, TIM.  Cuz... I more than likely wouldn't have been able to figure it out on my own.  O_o
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 20, 2013, 08:57:32 pm
Oh yeah, that's right, TIM has an irrational hatred of furries, I forgot about that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 20, 2013, 09:01:11 pm
Honestly, I think he just has an irrational hatred for sick fucks.  Though, its kinda hard to tell with him...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 20, 2013, 09:02:02 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 20, 2013, 09:01:11 pm
Honestly, I think he just has an irrational hatred for sick fucks.  Though, its kinda hard to tell with him...

Well, I'm pretty sure I remember him insisting that all furries were zoophiles.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on November 20, 2013, 09:08:11 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on November 20, 2013, 09:02:02 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 20, 2013, 09:01:11 pm
Honestly, I think he just has an irrational hatred for sick fucks.  Though, its kinda hard to tell with him...

Well, I'm pretty sure I remember him insisting that all furries were zoophiles.

Fursecution is truly the civil rights issue of our time...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 20, 2013, 09:27:39 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on November 20, 2013, 09:08:11 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on November 20, 2013, 09:02:02 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 20, 2013, 09:01:11 pm
Honestly, I think he just has an irrational hatred for sick fucks.  Though, its kinda hard to tell with him...

Well, I'm pretty sure I remember him insisting that all furries were zoophiles.

Fursecution is truly the civil rights issue of our time...

Pointing out that someone has an irrational hatred of a group = claiming fursecution?

Okay then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on November 20, 2013, 09:49:46 pm
It was all in the semantics iirc.

Therefore meaningless crap
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 20, 2013, 09:54:18 pm
Another Queen vs. Furries showdown? Righto then. Whose turn is it to supply the popcorn?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 20, 2013, 10:01:53 pm
I honestly don't care that Queen wants to start a fight, I'm not going for it.  She can argue with herself if she wants to.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on November 20, 2013, 10:29:12 pm
Oversensitivity, much? It was a joke. I've made that similar joke in the past about zoophiles* and pedophiles.

*and note how I'm using different words to reference zoophiles and furries. Or you can just ignore it and act like I'm starting shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 20, 2013, 10:39:55 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on November 20, 2013, 10:29:12 pm
Oversensitivity, much? It was a joke. I've made that similar joke in the past about zoophiles* and pedophiles.

*and note how I'm using different words to reference zoophiles and furries. Or you can just ignore it and act like I'm starting shit.

I've never before heard of it used as a simple joke.  It's always been used to mock furries who claim they're being persecuted by the haters, and used by haters to mock any furry who dares show displeasure with being mocked by equating them with the former.

So, I guess I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time and say I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 21, 2013, 12:22:44 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/3b3b8a0df6e606573a24a86e1024e15a/tumblr_mviuhoOf701sa3yn9o1_500.png)

Damn white people and their cheeses.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 21, 2013, 12:24:09 am
Well, cheese does go great with crackers...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 21, 2013, 01:29:16 am
http://erasingprivilege.tumblr.com/post/67385975198/to-all-white-hetero-male-cis-gendered-etc

This person sounds like a lot of fun to be the gadfly to.

http://erasingprivilege.tumblr.com/post/67394148296/to-all-white-hetero-male-cis-gendered-etc

...And preferredpronoun goes on. "I am a genderless pansexual demisexual homoromantic indigenous-identifying fat-positive autistic otherkin.  shame on you."

I am amazed.

http://livingasmultiple.tumblr.com/post/67376164260/did-differences-music

What. The. Fuck? How does this person get ANYTHING done?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 21, 2013, 01:43:32 am
Poe's law strikes again!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 21, 2013, 01:45:54 am
Parody Or Extremist...

I am calling Privilege Erasure and the woman with more personalities than Bruce Banner as Parodies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 21, 2013, 02:09:09 am
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I have to be very careful about music with my system because specific songs tend to trigger specific alters. So we don’t listen to as much music as we’d like to.


If these people are serious, then they must lead very sad lives.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 21, 2013, 06:11:33 am
I love Poe's law. So, so much.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 21, 2013, 10:23:43 pm
Kinda bugs me, to be honest.  If only it were as simple as it is in code, just look for a specific flag, and if its set, then its a poe, otherwise its serious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 22, 2013, 04:06:45 pm
(http://media.tumblr.com/6c7ddaf9addf245aaa9bdaf3c0d6eac5/tumblr_inline_mudq0dpQ181rbw4b5.png)

I'm guessing this person literally lives on Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 22, 2013, 05:51:48 pm
Tumblr is worse then livejournal when it comes to these idiots.

Ironbite-can't believe I've lived through two of these social media movements.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 23, 2013, 09:37:06 am
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Race is a social construction with blurry boundaries. Who is to say where white ends and black begins?. Even though I was forcibly assigned “white” as a child, I knew from BET and The Fresh Prince of Bel Air and my love of fried chicken that my true self was black. Is it ok for me to put on blackface and go to NAACP meetings and steer the discourse to issues concerning ME? They are only cis-black while my trans-black identity adds a whole new degree of oppression.

another transethnic quack. I am just keeping myself from laughing out loud at the fried chicken part. Mostly sure its a POE.

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Internalized racist POC don't know what's best for them! I have a sociology degree, so fucking listen to me!

So I’ve been seeing replies written by POC to posts about cultural appropriation saying they “aren’t offended” or “don’t care.” These people are probably just crackers in clever grease paint blackface disguises, but on the off chance they are actual persyns of color, then obviously they’re just full of internalized racism. THESE FUCKING CRACKERS ARE STEALING YOUR CULTURE! IT’S EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE GENOCIDE THEY PERPETUATED ON YOUR ANCESTORS AND CONTINUE TO PERPETUATE TODAY! As a transethnic North Korean who has checked my white privilege, I understand the cracker mind and its need to steal from persyn’s of color. Yet you fucking race traitors just sit back and watch it happen! I can’t comprehend this shit! Don’t worry my beautiful ebony children, my sociology degree allows me to perfectly identify and eliminate white privilege, so just make sure you get offended if I tell you to be offended by something. Kay thanks <3

Well, at least she has the "deranged dictator demanding people feel how she feels" down.

Quote
Anita Shitcuntsian made a new video

Let me save everyone a lot of time by summarizing this shit.

>Pac-Man’s creator is a sexist because of making a joke about women and eating

>Japan is sexist for associating women with eating

>Ms. Pac-Man had a child out of wedlock

>Bows are the worst thing ever created

Also, the following character designs are AUTOMATICALLY SEXIST.

>she seriously argued that Paula from Earthbound is a fucking Smurfette

>did she even play Earthbound?

>Mass Effect 3 was bad simply because FemShep wasn’t in more promotional material

>all video games with a female version of a male character are better

You heard it hear, folks, an entire country is sexist, and you automatically become scum for a joke. If she saw Colbert's show and how widely he's liked, she'd probably suffer spontaneous rage explosion.

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http://death-2-whitecismanapes.tumblr.com/post/47597568725/my-hero-3-smash-the-patriarchal-beauty

There is such a thing as fat but healthy, and body positivity. Its when you look like THIS that you should re-examine your priorities.

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Can you poop out your headmates? Please, this is URGENT. I recently took a really big poo and afterwards I can’t detect my headmate anymore. More information BELOW:

OK, I had major poopfeels and rushed into the bathroom and plopped my slightly chubby rump upon the toilet seat. I strained for a minute, producing some pain, until it all rushed out. I took a massive, colon-cleansing shit. My body shuddered, as first some hardened, gnarled blocks pooped out, then some softened stool spilled forth, and then I produced a flood of blockaded liquid shit. I rocked from side to side upon the seat, moaning, feeling like my WHOLE BODY passed through my bum.

When I was done, I stood up weakly, and before beginning the process of wiping myself (it was very long btw) I noticed that my favorite headmate was missing, and I had panicked feels. I ordered my other headmates, a tri-horned Derpy and a timey-wimey Fox McCloud, to search my skull, but they couldn’t find him. Could he have taken physical form and passed out of my body with my bowel movement?

He always liked to play with poo. If you can get in contact with my mustard-blood Karkat, please, tell him to come back to me. I live in Oakland, California if you or your headmates can communicate with him in the sewer system.

I think this one was posted before, but it was too hilarious to leave out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on November 23, 2013, 12:16:54 pm
Yeah, that last one's a Poe. And a rather brilliant one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on November 23, 2013, 12:54:31 pm
Other than the Pacman one, I can guarantee that all of those are Poes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 23, 2013, 01:51:46 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on November 23, 2013, 09:37:06 am
Quote
Anita Shitcuntsian made a new video

Let me save everyone a lot of time by summarizing this shit.

>Pac-Man’s creator is a sexist because of making a joke about women and eating

>Japan is sexist for associating women with eating

>Ms. Pac-Man had a child out of wedlock

>Bows are the worst thing ever created

Also, the following character designs are AUTOMATICALLY SEXIST.

>she seriously argued that Paula from Earthbound is a fucking Smurfette

>did she even play Earthbound?

>Mass Effect 3 was bad simply because FemShep wasn’t in more promotional material

>all video games with a female version of a male character are better

You heard it hear, folks, an entire country is sexist, and you automatically become scum for a joke. If she saw Colbert's show and how widely he's liked, she'd probably suffer spontaneous rage explosion.

Um, no. The creator of Pacman made a comment with some weird stereotypes about women so she pointed that out. Never said fuck all about Japan being sexist as a whole or whatever.

As for the bow thing, she made a point of explicitly saying there's nothing wrong with bows per se (around the 9 minute mark), and what she was criticizing was the trope where they are used as a way to signify a character is female while male characters require no special identifiers, because they are assumed to be the default.


Sometimes I wonder if we could harness the blind rage directed at Sarkeesian as a power source and solve the energy crisis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on November 23, 2013, 02:28:01 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on November 23, 2013, 01:51:46 pm
Sometimes I wonder if we could harness the blind rage directed at Sarkeesian as a power source and solve the energy crisis.

What makes you think you'd find energy in such a dim-bulb?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 24, 2013, 05:22:10 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on November 23, 2013, 01:51:46 pm
Sometimes I wonder if we could harness the blind rage directed at Sarkeesian as a power source and solve the energy crisis.
I can think of a way. Attach a giant hamster wheel to a generator. Now, simply place a Sarkeesian dummy in front of it, put one of these idiots on said wheel and tell them that if he can reach her, he gets to punch her in the face. Repeat the same set up for however many subjects are available, and there you go. Limitless power, for as long as you can keep them alive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 24, 2013, 09:43:48 pm
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Anonymous asked: Jenn, I'm clueless about natural multiplicity and when I google it, only your blog comes up. Is it sort of like possession? Do you ever feel like your body has been invaded by these others? Did these other people/entities have bodies of their own before? Are they dead people?! Are you sure?! I would be scared to have other people in my body with me.

Jenn here. I will make a post with some links to resources regarding natural multiplicity. It occasionally feels like “my” body is invaded by others but usually feels as though  am sharing a body unless the others are sleeping or dormant. They aren’t dead. They are very much alive. I believe in reincarnation so I believe they have all had previous bodies. Your last sentence sounds like multiphobia.

Just another day on Tumblr.com.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on November 25, 2013, 12:05:15 am
Has any actual expert conducted any kind of research on the supposed phenomenon of "multiplicity"? Has any real scientist ever even said anything about or acknowledged the supposed phenomenon? I'm surprised no one's done any research or even comments but Morgellans gets a whole research organization at my college's main campus.

Of course there aren't multiple souls in these people, especially not the souls of fictional characters created less than three years ago. What I want to know is if there's any legitimate mental illness or if these twits are just trying to get attention. I'm gonna say there's a good chance it's the latter, but I would want to see the research in to what causes such a relatively large "group hysteria" effect. What causes so many to, at least seemingly, seriously believe they have fictional characters in their heads.

Also, "headmate" seems to be a brand of toilet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on November 25, 2013, 01:03:36 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on November 25, 2013, 12:05:15 am
Has any actual expert conducted any kind of research on the supposed phenomenon of "multiplicity"? Has any real scientist ever even said anything about or acknowledged the supposed phenomenon? I'm surprised no one's done any research or even comments but Morgellans gets a whole research organization at my college's main campus.

Of course there aren't multiple souls in these people, especially not the souls of fictional characters created less than three years ago. What I want to know is if there's any legitimate mental illness or if these twits are just trying to get attention. I'm gonna say there's a good chance it's the latter, but I would want to see the research in to what causes such a relatively large "group hysteria" effect. What causes so many to, at least seemingly, seriously believe they have fictional characters in their heads.

Also, "headmate" seems to be a brand of toilet.

I don't think any scientific studies have been done on "headmates" or "multiple systems" as Tumblr calls it, but there IS a lot of study on actual Dissociative Identity Disorder, or "split personalities". It's extremely rare (usually diagnosed as 1% to 5% of the population), and many psychologists argue about whether or not it even exists as a specific mental illness, to say nothing of disagreements on the specifics of the disorder.

Considering the rarity of the disorder in comparison to the sheer amount of Tumblr folks who appear to have some form of it, I'm willing to bet that a lot of the Tumblr weirdos are simply fooling themselves through a sort of placebo effect: they believe that they have these "headmates", so they create personalities and thoughts and attribute them to the alternate personalities/spirits in their head/fictional characters/bullshit rather than their own brain stupidly running headfirst into a wall over and over.

Same with otherkin: they believe that they have the soul of a swan or wolf or tiger or something (conveniently almost always a "cool" or "beautiful" animal) and their brains fool themselves into having "phantom tails" that people can somehow step on or cause them to "shift" into animal behavior when it's really just their brain tricking itself and the person going along with it because they want to believe that it's true. Ever notice how they only notice someone "stepping on their phantom tail" when they can witness the person standing or sitting where they think that their tail should be?

Another good sign that it's all just a placebo effect (rather than legitimate mental illness) is that it's very easy to become a "former otherkin" or drop the idea of being a multiple system. Legitimate mental illness can't simply be "cured" and often requires continuous medication to mitigate the problem and allow the person to sustain themselves in daily life. But former otherkin/multiples tend to simply realize that the idea is dumb and forget about it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Patches on November 25, 2013, 02:17:41 pm
When I was a young teen 20-some-odd years ago, I admit to entertaining the idea that I was really a dragon stuck in a human body or something.  But back then, there was no online community for that sort of thing, so I had no name for it.  But I do know that it was pretty much just me trying to convince myself I was inherently more special or more important than my peers.  I don't remember ever honestly believing it, and it was something I eventually grew out of.

With the advent of online communities for this sort of thing, though, these sorts of beliefs are getting reinforced and enabled, which is making people much more protective of them.  The community acceptance probably also makes it more difficult for people to grow out of it like I did, out of fear of being rejected.

One person who says they hear voices is a nutcase.  A group of people telling each other they hear voices is a religion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 25, 2013, 05:30:43 pm
Quote from: Patches on November 25, 2013, 02:17:41 pm
One person who says they hear voices is a nutcase.  A group of people telling each other they hear voices is a religion.

SO sigging this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Illusive Man on November 25, 2013, 09:14:07 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on November 25, 2013, 01:03:36 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on November 25, 2013, 12:05:15 am
Has any actual expert conducted any kind of research on the supposed phenomenon of "multiplicity"? Has any real scientist ever even said anything about or acknowledged the supposed phenomenon? I'm surprised no one's done any research or even comments but Morgellans gets a whole research organization at my college's main campus.

Of course there aren't multiple souls in these people, especially not the souls of fictional characters created less than three years ago. What I want to know is if there's any legitimate mental illness or if these twits are just trying to get attention. I'm gonna say there's a good chance it's the latter, but I would want to see the research in to what causes such a relatively large "group hysteria" effect. What causes so many to, at least seemingly, seriously believe they have fictional characters in their heads.

Also, "headmate" seems to be a brand of toilet.

I don't think any scientific studies have been done on "headmates" or "multiple systems" as Tumblr calls it, but there IS a lot of study on actual Dissociative Identity Disorder, or "split personalities". It's extremely rare (usually diagnosed as 1% to 5% of the population), and many psychologists argue about whether or not it even exists as a specific mental illness, to say nothing of disagreements on the specifics of the disorder.

Considering the rarity of the disorder in comparison to the sheer amount of Tumblr folks who appear to have some form of it, I'm willing to bet that a lot of the Tumblr weirdos are simply fooling themselves through a sort of placebo effect: they believe that they have these "headmates", so they create personalities and thoughts and attribute them to the alternate personalities/spirits in their head/fictional characters/bullshit rather than their own brain stupidly running headfirst into a wall over and over.

Same with otherkin: they believe that they have the soul of a swan or wolf or tiger or something (conveniently almost always a "cool" or "beautiful" animal) and their brains fool themselves into having "phantom tails" that people can somehow step on or cause them to "shift" into animal behavior when it's really just their brain tricking itself and the person going along with it because they want to believe that it's true. Ever notice how they only notice someone "stepping on their phantom tail" when they can witness the person standing or sitting where they think that their tail should be?

Another good sign that it's all just a placebo effect (rather than legitimate mental illness) is that it's very easy to become a "former otherkin" or drop the idea of being a multiple system. Legitimate mental illness can't simply be "cured" and often requires continuous medication to mitigate the problem and allow the person to sustain themselves in daily life. But former otherkin/multiples tend to simply realize that the idea is dumb and forget about it.

Some actually have a dissociative, dissociative + co-morbidity with other disorders, a lot a self-diagnosed attention whores. The presence of self inflicted bodly harm is usually indicates psychological illness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Carnotaurus on November 27, 2013, 10:41:43 am
I was baited into an argument with a social justicite the other night, and I wish I'd kept screencaps of the thing. A Frozen thread on /co/ degenerated into the usual "Wah feminists" whining that pops up every time a show has a female main character. About halfway in, a person who's basically spent the thread denouncing everything ever done by whites, males, or heterosexuals as sexist/racist/what have you declares that "White male gaming culture is the most sexist culture there is."

That's where I stepped in. I agreed that gaming culture can be very sexist, which is why I mostly game solo, but said that calling it the most sexist culture ever is to be either naive or sheltered and cited several instances where women are legally disenfranchised or targets for revenge killings and outright murder.

"Stop using your racism to defend your sexism!"

They trivialize the very real plight of women around the world, yet I'm the sexist for pointing it out. After that, I called them out for what they said, offered a few observations about their general intelligence, and left the thread. Perhaps I should have taken them to task for their own racism. Guaranteed they wouldn't have said that if the women in question where white.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 27, 2013, 02:05:04 pm
...Stop using your racism to defend your... what?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 27, 2013, 02:23:35 pm
Stop making sense because our sense makes more sense than your sense because yours is sensible and ours tends to be nonsense!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 27, 2013, 03:53:03 pm
Cant you sheeple see!? You're using your ableism to defend his racism which is defending his sexism, which is probably defending his ageism!/ColbertVoice

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 27, 2013, 07:18:57 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on November 27, 2013, 03:53:03 pm
Cant you sheeple see!? You're using your ableism to defend his racism which is defending his sexism, which is probably defending his ageism!/ColbertVoice

I place ableism in defense mode!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on November 27, 2013, 07:31:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on November 27, 2013, 07:18:57 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on November 27, 2013, 03:53:03 pm
Cant you sheeple see!? You're using your ableism to defend his racism which is defending his sexism, which is probably defending his ageism!/ColbertVoice

I place ableism in defense mode!

You just activated my trap card!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 27, 2013, 07:37:51 pm
Go SKITTY!


*SKITTY uses Charm!*

















What?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on November 27, 2013, 07:42:09 pm
FINISHING MOVE! GIGA DRILL BREAK!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 27, 2013, 08:47:20 pm
NOT MY SKITTY!  *Jumps in front of attack*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 27, 2013, 09:14:04 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on November 27, 2013, 07:31:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on November 27, 2013, 07:18:57 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on November 27, 2013, 03:53:03 pm
Cant you sheeple see!? You're using your ableism to defend his racism which is defending his sexism, which is probably defending his ageism!/ColbertVoice

I place ableism in defense mode!

You just activated my trap card!

No, you just activated MY trap card!
Schrodinger's Card, go!

(This topic...)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 27, 2013, 09:28:28 pm
But I wanted Agumon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 27, 2013, 10:00:10 pm
Allrighty children, I think we've played around this thread long enough.  Time to open your textbooks to chapter 34, read it carefully, and do the quiz at the end of the chapter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 27, 2013, 10:08:52 pm
Sensei! Danshi ga, gaido san no iukoto wo kikimasen!
Sensei! Joshi ga, kaimono ni itta mama kaette kimasen!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 27, 2013, 10:14:22 pm
The quiz is:  What did Zach just say in Romanji?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 27, 2013, 10:58:07 pm
He said you're a whore!  And your mother is a whore!

Ironbite-also...WARP DIGIVOLUTION!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 27, 2013, 11:19:26 pm
You Digimon people are crazy.  I'm taking my Skitty and going home.  *Walks away*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 27, 2013, 11:59:39 pm
Look up "Danjo" on Youtube, I just quoted the first two lines of it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on November 28, 2013, 05:19:24 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9r873qYZA1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://media.tumblr.com/a75d1926c62944c1fb996dffa1237873/tumblr_inline_mpvdplbHFd1qz4rgp.gif)

Happy Thanksgiving. [/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 28, 2013, 12:13:50 pm
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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9r873qYZA1ryeto5o1_500.png)


Yup. Clearly one of the most intimate acts between two (or more) human beings can only have purely biological consequences relating to disease and reproduction. There are no social, psychological or even neurological effects from sex at all.


I'm almost convinced this is a satirical illustration of exactly why children can't give informed consent. Almost.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 28, 2013, 06:22:35 pm
Whether it's satirical or not...


To certain kids: A little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on November 28, 2013, 07:53:34 pm
Ahem... I'll just reveal a little bit of my past here... I was sexually molested when I was three years old.  I'm not... normal by any means, any more.  There's a reason I call myself 'broken'.  That's all I'll say about consent...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on November 28, 2013, 08:09:40 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on November 28, 2013, 12:13:50 pm
Quote
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9r873qYZA1ryeto5o1_500.png)


Yup. Clearly one of the most intimate acts between two (or more) human beings can only have purely biological consequences relating to disease and reproduction. There are no social, psychological or even neurological effects from sex at all.


I'm almost convinced this is a satirical illustration of exactly why children can't give informed consent. Almost.

Prepubescent children, sure, they can't give informed consent. Start extending that concept past puberty and the logic completely falls apart. Kids that age are going to have sex whether the moral guardians are shocked by it or not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 28, 2013, 08:14:21 pm
Exactly what I meant up there.  They know just enough about it, and having all those hormones flying around and peer pressure and woowooheeeheeeyowza!

Somebody's getting knocked up or worse if they're not careful.

I kinda feel grateful that sex with anyone never even crossed my mind my whole teen life.  Or beyond, really.

I wonder if something's weird with my brain sometimes. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on November 28, 2013, 08:21:18 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on November 28, 2013, 07:53:34 pm
Ahem... I'll just reveal a little bit of my past here... I was sexually molested when I was three years old.  I'm not... normal by any means, any more.  There's a reason I call myself 'broken'.  That's all I'll say about consent...

*hugs*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: kefkaownsall on November 28, 2013, 08:24:28 pm
hug
truthfully adult privilege is not real
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 28, 2013, 08:26:37 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on November 28, 2013, 07:53:34 pm
Ahem... I'll just reveal a little bit of my past here... I was sexually molested when I was three years old.  I'm not... normal by any means, any more.  There's a reason I call myself 'broken'.  That's all I'll say about consent...

You're not broken, brother. Not any more than I am from being molested and nearly raped by an ex.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on November 28, 2013, 09:39:09 pm
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on November 28, 2013, 08:26:37 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on November 28, 2013, 07:53:34 pm
Ahem... I'll just reveal a little bit of my past here... I was sexually molested when I was three years old.  I'm not... normal by any means, any more.  There's a reason I call myself 'broken'.  That's all I'll say about consent...

You're not broken, brother. Not any more than I am from being molested and nearly raped by an ex.

Not broken? remind me to tell you exactly what it did to my brain chemistry and what I find attractive, some time...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 28, 2013, 09:51:57 pm
I'm pretty sure it permanently altered your brain's chemicals.  Stuff like extreme mental and emotional trauma can really cause long-lasting, to permanent changes in the brain's function.

I hate you two had to go through what y'all did, Cerim and Booker.  While I can never really relate, I can empathise and ... well... *Hugs both*  Give an E-hug.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on November 28, 2013, 09:59:22 pm
*joins hug*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 28, 2013, 10:16:20 pm
If that's how you want to view yourself, then I won't stop you (though I still believe you aren't it isn't my place to tell you how to do things). You're still someone I love, regardless of anything else.

And, thanks guys. It... it has caused a lot of problems when it comes to relationships (even friendships), trust, and intimacy. But I don't want to make this about me or anything. I do appreciate the sympathy, tho.

Consent is extremely important. It is so very important. And unfortunately some people never have the chance to consent.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 28, 2013, 10:42:17 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on November 28, 2013, 08:14:21 pm
Exactly what I meant up there.  They know just enough about it, and having all those hormones flying around and peer pressure and woowooheeeheeeyowza!

Somebody's getting knocked up or worse if they're not careful.

I kinda feel grateful that sex with anyone never even crossed my mind my whole teen life.  Or beyond, really.

I wonder if something's weird with my brain sometimes. 

No more than anyone else; asexuality is just a normal as sexuality, just another brand of person.

As for me, back in school I, to an extent, did want sex, but at the same time I hated the very concept of intimacy.  Allowing someone that close, even if it was a purely physical thing, was repulsive to me...not for any religious reasons, I simply regarded it as yet another weakness, a desire to be excised from my mind like most of my emotions were at the time.  I hated humans that much, and while it is sad that I was that way, I'm glad that I'm not, anymore.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on November 29, 2013, 12:58:33 am
*sigh...* it's hard... not to view myself as broken.  Especially with my... ... proclivities.

... Let me put it this way.  I was wracked with so much guilt when I was 13 that I tried castrating myself.  Twice.  Never did go through with it, but I seriously considered doing so nonetheless.

So it's hard to come to grips with.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on November 29, 2013, 03:31:48 pm
*Hugs Cerim*

(Booker too if he doesn't have bad blood towards me)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on November 30, 2013, 04:06:35 am
It's appreciated, regardless. I rarely if ever hold grudges over one-off arguments. I'm already angry enough at everything. No point having a hair-trigger temper. lol

*hugs Cerim though* Understandable. No worries.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 02, 2013, 12:22:10 am
*Walks in randomly and hugs everyone.*

Also:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m952icAeq21ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 02, 2013, 12:52:47 am
Aww yiss, hugs! <3

Also lol intersectionality what the fuck is that anyways?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 02, 2013, 01:03:02 am
It's the study of how different forms of oppression can intersect with each other (like racism and classism).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on December 02, 2013, 02:59:28 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/50962a618168f9d1d72e67ee12da1207/tumblr_mndo2bLXNs1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

Yeah, way to just erase the racial, ethnic, class, religious, etc. discrimination that has taken place all over the world since the dawn of mankind. The dynamics of racism in the west can largely be traced back to the "Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Negroid" theory but -- surprise -- the west doesn't represent the entire planet.

Not to mention that the whole "PoC lived in magical bliss until white people corrupted them" is condescending towards non-whites, making every other culture sound simplistic and childlike. Believe it or not, white people aren't the only ones with complex politics and cultural norms.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 02, 2013, 03:18:40 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 02, 2013, 01:03:02 am
It's the study of how different forms of oppression can intersect with each other (like racism and classism).

I was being sarcastic I should've been more clear.


Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on December 02, 2013, 02:59:28 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/50962a618168f9d1d72e67ee12da1207/tumblr_mndo2bLXNs1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

Yeah, way to just erase the racial, ethnic, class, religious, etc. discrimination that has taken place all over the world since the dawn of mankind. The dynamics of racism in the west can largely be traced back to the "Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Negroid" theory but -- surprise -- the west doesn't represent the entire planet.

Not to mention that the whole "PoC lived in magical bliss until white people corrupted them" is condescending towards non-whites, making every other culture sound simplistic and childlike. Believe it or not, white people aren't the only ones with complex politics and cultural norms.

BUT BUT 17TH CENTURY. WHITE PEOPLE INVENTED RACISM!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on December 02, 2013, 03:46:26 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on December 02, 2013, 02:59:28 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/50962a618168f9d1d72e67ee12da1207/tumblr_mndo2bLXNs1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

Yeah, way to just erase the racial, ethnic, class, religious, etc. discrimination that has taken place all over the world since the dawn of mankind. The dynamics of racism in the west can largely be traced back to the "Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Negroid" theory but -- surprise -- the west doesn't represent the entire planet.

Not to mention that the whole "PoC lived in magical bliss until white people corrupted them" is condescending towards non-whites, making every other culture sound simplistic and childlike. Believe it or not, white people aren't the only ones with complex politics and cultural norms.

Anonymous is basically correct. Racism is early modern; there was no racism in Ancient Rome, for instance. There was a lot of classism in Rome, sure- but class is actually a thing that exists. Racial categories are not actually objectively existent at all, as we all know. They were constructed for political and industrial reasons in the 15th and 16th centuries, much as Biological Racism was devised for Nationalist reasons in the 19th century.

Nor is, as far as I can see, s/he arguing that Africa was a perfect wonderland until white people turned up. It was a lot better, I don't think that's in doubt, but obviously there was war, crime and so on, in the same way there was in Europe (but, probably, less so). That's the point though: like in Europe. Unlike today, Africa was not much worse off than Europe until Europeans turned up and made it so.

I think, in short, that you're being quite unfair.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on December 02, 2013, 04:00:54 am
Quote from: Lt. Fred on December 02, 2013, 03:46:26 am
Anonymous is basically correct. Racism is early modern; there was no racism in Ancient Rome, for instance.

Barbarbarbarbarbarbarbarbarbarbarbarbarbarbarbar
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 02, 2013, 04:37:46 am
*gigglesnorts* Yeah, okay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on December 02, 2013, 05:06:04 am
Fred: Like I said, modern western dynamics go back to the three race theory, and there has been a ton of carry-over into other parts of the world thanks to colonialism and globalization. This, however, is just one of many forms of ethnic-based prejudice that have taken place throughout the history of mankind, much of which has influenced cultural dynamics in other regions independent of white influence. People have been inventing categories for humans and using them as an excuse to treat others like shit from the moment we gained sapience. When you single out the social dynamics we refer to as "racism" in the west and try to set them into their own special category, as if it's the primary and most harmful prejudice the world over, despite all of these issues stemming from the same source -- the human propensity for prejudice -- it downplays the significance of other cultures' histories, social dynamics, and the hardships those people have faced.

It's Eurocentric as fuck, and kinda ends up becoming some kind of weird white guilt version of "mighty whitey".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on December 02, 2013, 09:25:24 pm
http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/09/16/american-privilege/

Stop oppressing me, Americans!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 03, 2013, 04:22:05 am
Some of these I can understand, but a lot of these are just silly. Like this one:

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Seeing your nation as “default” – it is normal, everybody else is “different”.

People everywhere tend to do this.

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Having plenty of movies and TV shows in your language, full of people from your country, showing your culture and way of life.

This one is only partially true. There are plenty of movies that take place in America but many of them are not an accurate portrayal of American culture (which varies depending on the region). I live in the Southwest and although we do get some good media portrayals many of them are cultural stereotypes or glamorized/historically inaccurate westerns.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 03, 2013, 07:17:59 am
Anthropocentric bag of dicks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on December 03, 2013, 07:58:43 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on December 03, 2013, 07:17:59 am
Anthropocentric bag of dicks.

And there goes my soda.  Thanks Shepard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 03, 2013, 08:31:29 am
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women are literally raised to be subordinate and malnourished and live in fear of murder and rape so no i am not going to feel bad for men having to live up to masculinity which were set in place by men to, again, keep women subordinate

you are literally complaining about having the better end of the stick and it makes me sick to my stomach you can choke on your spoon

LITERALLY GUIZ
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on December 03, 2013, 08:42:42 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 03, 2013, 04:22:05 am
Some of these I can understand, but a lot of these are just silly. Like this one:

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Seeing your nation as “default” – it is normal, everybody else is “different”.

People everywhere tend to do this.

Having lived abroad I can definitely confirm this. And it also made sure that half the items on that list don't apply to me.

In fact, I'm going to go through the list.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 03, 2013, 09:31:41 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on December 03, 2013, 07:58:43 am
Quote from: Booker DeWitt on December 03, 2013, 07:17:59 am
Anthropocentric bag of dicks.

And there goes my soda.  Thanks Shepard.

Happy to help. ;)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 03, 2013, 02:31:05 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on December 02, 2013, 09:25:24 pm
http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/09/16/american-privilege/

Stop oppressing me, Americans!

Somebody has to.

Ironbite-and damn it....we're the nation to do it...FOR FREEDOM!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 03, 2013, 04:32:41 pm
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Being confused about people who do not like the USA or those who think it is not perfect. They must be jealous!

I've always believed that, if you love something, you've got to be willing to point out its flaws.  In short, blind nationalists are the most unpatriotic people on the planet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 05, 2013, 02:19:39 pm
Link (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/thieves-steal-calendars-leave-protest-signs/ncBQ8/)

Thieves steal risqué calendars, leave protest signs. as a result of the theft, the woman selling the calender will lose all of her profits for the season.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 05, 2013, 02:28:01 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 05, 2013, 02:19:39 pm
Link (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/thieves-steal-calendars-leave-protest-signs/ncBQ8/)

Thieves steal risqué calendars, leave protest signs. as a result of the theft, the woman selling the calender will lose all of her profits for the season.

Well that was a dick move. But I'm actually more outraged over the fact that the owner will be forced to pay for stolen merchandise. He can write off destroyed merch but if it is stolen HE has to pay for it? What the heck?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 05, 2013, 02:50:51 pm
Quote from: askold on December 05, 2013, 02:28:01 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 05, 2013, 02:19:39 pm
Link (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/thieves-steal-calendars-leave-protest-signs/ncBQ8/)

Thieves steal risqué calendars, leave protest signs. as a result of the theft, the woman selling the calender will lose all of her profits for the season.

Well that was a dick move. But I'm actually more outraged over the fact that the owner will be forced to pay for stolen merchandise. He can write off destroyed merch but if it is stolen HE has to pay for it? What the heck?

Insurance companies: we fuck you, and we don't use lube!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 05, 2013, 03:52:05 pm
The vast majority of these models posed for these calendars consensually and were paid (sometimes very handsomely) to do so. To me, this is the equivalent of stealing a nude painting because it offends you. If you don't like it then don't buy it. Don't steal someone else's profits that's a real dick move.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 05, 2013, 04:08:19 pm
TUMBLR JUSTICE WARRIORS STRIKE AGAIN!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 05, 2013, 04:47:05 pm
Quote from: askold on December 05, 2013, 02:28:01 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 05, 2013, 02:19:39 pm
Link (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/thieves-steal-calendars-leave-protest-signs/ncBQ8/)

Thieves steal risqué calendars, leave protest signs. as a result of the theft, the woman selling the calender will lose all of her profits for the season.

Well that was a dick move. But I'm actually more outraged over the fact that the owner will be forced to pay for stolen merchandise. He can write off destroyed merch but if it is stolen HE has to pay for it? What the heck?
The insurance clause is like that cuz Fraud. Store claimants hiding "stolen" merchandise and using the police report where they lied to the cops to make a lost inventory claim, and then sell the merchandise anyway later on, to double their profit. Better policies with large stores that can offer surveillance proof of actual theft generally will pay out the claim.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on December 05, 2013, 10:07:52 pm
Hard to say whether or not the calendars are objectifying without actually seeing their contents, but either way, stealing them and screwing over a shop owner is the wrong way to get your message out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on December 07, 2013, 05:49:49 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a50d51bca18356d043c2f96586d1d64c/tumblr_mxdc7zpEVI1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

Either a troll or someone making shit up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on December 07, 2013, 06:06:52 pm
Playing fetch isn't even that strenuous.  Not on the human anyway.  Doesn't the human's part in it only involve throwing an object?  It's the dogs that do the running and bringing back.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 07, 2013, 06:15:54 pm
Sometimes you have to chase the dog to get the ball back but what the fuck?

Ironbite-seriously that's just...wow.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 07, 2013, 06:32:29 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/385a3f799a1b1a7d5c16babe811c180d/tumblr_mj1798eF6K1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

That's literally the dumbest thing to get upset about.


Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on December 07, 2013, 06:41:41 pm
What's AAVE?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on December 07, 2013, 07:00:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on December 07, 2013, 06:41:41 pm
What's AAVE?
African American Vernacular English, apparently
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 07, 2013, 07:52:06 pm
which isn't really that different from the dialect that most southerners speak.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 07, 2013, 11:02:36 pm
It's just a different regional pidgin language.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on December 07, 2013, 11:33:05 pm
It's a fucking unnecessarily long descriptive term that apparently needs an abbreviation so nobody knows what the fuck's being talked about unless they're told or look it up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on December 07, 2013, 11:38:13 pm
To be fair, there are differences between a a v e and regular southern. It's just that those differences aren't as different as it seems. I feel that language isn't one of those those things that can't be easily appropriated because it's something that change over time. Now if Adventure Time was just using wordslike Namaste randomly like white hippies then that with would be appreciation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 08, 2013, 01:46:09 am
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/3e81bf88c184832490412b8d57e59bc8/tumblr_mx70v8pocI1sxs2mko1_500.jpg)

Yeah well I got one thing to say to that:

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/184712f6f92282102c11e01ac7157209/tumblr_mx70v8pocI1sxs2mko2_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 08, 2013, 02:23:26 am
According to the picture caption, she's an expert in the Nordic Council of Ministers' expert.

Expertly written.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 08, 2013, 02:29:44 am
She's also the expert in bad hair colors.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 08, 2013, 03:01:26 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 08, 2013, 02:23:26 am
According to the picture caption, she's an expert in the Nordic Council of Ministers' expert.

Expertly written.

I think that's more of a translation problem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 08, 2013, 10:04:10 pm
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Awakening

Is awakening even a thing people talk about any more? When I was active in the community years ago awakening was a very important concept (the process for you, sharing stories, misteps etc) but I haven’t seen it around much lately.

This just in, becoming an Otherkin makes you a Level 5 Esper./obscurereference

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I love how people's arguments against Otherkin are "It's not scientifically proven therefore you're nuts"

SHOCK HORROR:

    Mental illnesses weren’t “scientifically proven” once upon a time
    Religion and spirituality have NEVER been “scientifically proven”, and yet most people who attack Otherkin don’t attack widespread religion or other spiritualities
    Trans* people’s dysphoria, etc, wasn’t “scientifically proven” once upon a time - not that I’m directly comparing trans* issues to otherkin, but it’s just an example
    Saying that we’re “crazy” and need serious help is indirectly attacking people with DID and other such disorders who live perfectly happily with their disorder - not everyone with a mental disorder is in danger or a danger to others and to assume so is ableist as fuck
    Saying someone is “crazy” is a fucking dickish thing to start with, especially as most of us actually DO have some form of unrelated mental disorder and being called insane or dangerous can be triggering as fuck you arsehole

I could say more but I just…. UUUUUGH I wanna kill someone right now

Okay, you're crazy. You're nuts. You're out of your goddamned mind.

There, I think he's either foaming all over his keyboard, or he has no damn idea what actually being triggered by anything is!

You disagree with me? Oh, I am triggered~

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i dream of one day becoming mai minakami

Otakukin are fucking insane.

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Had a long walk the other day. Kept taking detours. I was talking to Kiba for a long time. He explained so much to me, and I felt really connected to my world for a while. It was nice.

Kiba, as in, the Naruto Character. Exhibit 2: Otakukin are fucking insane.

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I honestly don't understand how singlets can be fictives/fictionkin (in the sense of a specific fictional character, species I can get my head around a bit more)- but that doesn't mean they aren't who they say they are, it just means I don't understand something.

I don't understand how ANY of you can be fictivekin or whatever. There's a lot more wrong with your self identification than just if people who have no headmates can pretend to be fictional characters too.

https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m553luGfuB1rtk2qxo1_r2_500.png

This lady is crazier than most Otakukin. She needs to get to that medical hospital, whether it triggers her or not.

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When asked about what I believe when it comes to physical shifting, I again have no problems whatsoever discussing it.

I do not believe in physical shifting. I believe that what you were born with is what you have.  In my case, my family has strong psychic abilities. My mom chose to use hers for less than wholesome means (namely, abusing me), but that doesn’t change the fact that she’s got them.  My sisters both have their own abilities.  It’s part of us.

I could say that my abnormally large bone structure and dense bones come from being a dragon.  I could say that my multiple hormonal imbalances come from attempting to be a dragon too many times. I could say that my bizarrely tiny toes are because my feet want to be paws and not feet.  But that’s all an impossibly silly idea, a fancy that isn’t real in the least.

BUT.

I had an experience when I was younger that makes me believe in some forms of shifting.  And that’s because, I went through this. I experienced a shift.

I was sad. I was lonely. I was a child in school with no friend, with no loves, with nothing that made me want to survive as a human. I took up meditation as a way to retreat, as a way to look inside myself and find something worth living for.

It was in those days that I was first discovering the dragon.  First finding all the interesting things inside myself.

What meditation did for me back then was help me divorce from my body. I learned to calm my heart, calm my breathing, calm myself. I learned to ‘go flat’ which for me was entering a completely empty state in which EVERYTHING was quiet and empty and there was only me.

It was a state without pain, without emotion, without the hurt of being so alone.

So, when I found the dragons in that state, I had an experience.

I felt the edge of the brick seat I was sitting on. I felt the people around me throwing things at me (they loved to throw food at me…poor fat Tala who wouldn’t respond to them and just ignored them).

And one day…one day I just…I moved.  I moved out of my body, completely outside of my body. I FELT my body stop breathing. I FELT everything cease.  I felt my entire physical body just be left behind. And in that moment, I merged into a dragon body.

I could see every aspect of her, the black dragoness that perched high above me on top of a building.  In that in-between space, I saw her, felt her, became her. And saw through her eyes the human body.

I don’t remember much about being the dragon.  It was a completely and totally alien experience.  The dragon existed on a plane parallel to this one, a completely different world with completely different laws governing it.  EVERYTHING was different.

I moved paws. Moved tail. Flapped wings.  Felt it all, from the blinking of an eye to the twitching of muscles. I knew what it was to be a dragon.

And I understood. In that moment, I understood why I was human, what it all meant. The dragon understood. The human couldn’t comprehend.  But I made the choice as the dragon to go back to the body. To return.

Sadly, the return cost all the thoughts I had had as that dragon.  Dragon thoughts at that level were not compatible with human thoughts.

But I remember the experience, and I remember what was.

And I do still long for that…it happened one time, and I do not think it will ever happen again.

The thing that makes this story different is the Out-of-body part of it.  That makes this different.

So no…not a physical shift. But as close to one as I will ever see in this life.

So, you say you're plus size not because of your big bones, but because you have big bones because you're really a dragon.

And you have an Evil Psychic Mother. And you've turned into a Spirit Dragon or some nonsense.

Lady, take your medicine. Its your friend. Its not poison.

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The Bite

Okay so I’ve had people asking me how do you change from a human to a shifter. There are many ways in doing so. The one that is most common is the bite from a shapeshifter. Not all shapeshifters can perform this though. It is not known why contagion through bite varies from species and specific individuals however, it is most common for alphas to be with a pack formed through biting humans. Again I state that there is a difference from lycanthropes and therianthropes. For example, therianthrope pack consists of members not tied by “bite-line”. The bite is different from what you’ve seen in the movies. It does not need to cut the skin. Doing so may risk infection or permanent damage to the person being bitten. Recent tests show that just a bite with saliva mixing with blood is not effective. To accomplish a successful bite in which the human has changed fully into a were-species, the shifter that is biting the human must shift either half or all the way while biting. Doing so requires extreme concentration and emotion and should be done by someone who knows what they’re doing. I would also like to discourage any shifter out there from mixing blood in hopes of changing a human. It can be dangerous (I’m talking H.I.V, blood poisoning, etc). If any one has questions, comments or concerns you can reach me here of one facebook.

...I have never seen so much ridiculousness in one post before. That's not how therianthropy, according to that one poster here, works, and I am damn sure HIV doesn't work like that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 08, 2013, 10:47:21 pm
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female supremacist & couldn't
give less of a fuck about equality

At least they're honest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on December 08, 2013, 10:53:02 pm
That's showing up as an X for me, Jebus.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 08, 2013, 11:38:16 pm
That's because I'm an idiot who used "IMG" tags instead of "quote" tags.

But I fixed my own derp.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on December 09, 2013, 05:17:42 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 08, 2013, 11:38:16 pm
That's because I'm an idiot who used "IMG" tags instead of "quote" tags.

But I fixed my own derp.

It's still messed up.  Right now it's linking to http://proud. >_>
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 12, 2013, 11:26:49 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on December 08, 2013, 10:04:10 pm
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Awakening

Is awakening even a thing people talk about any more? When I was active in the community years ago awakening was a very important concept (the process for you, sharing stories, misteps etc) but I haven’t seen it around much lately.

This just in, becoming an Otherkin makes you a Level 5 Esper./obscurereference

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I love how people's arguments against Otherkin are "It's not scientifically proven therefore you're nuts"

SHOCK HORROR:

    Mental illnesses weren’t “scientifically proven” once upon a time
    Religion and spirituality have NEVER been “scientifically proven”, and yet most people who attack Otherkin don’t attack widespread religion or other spiritualities
    Trans* people’s dysphoria, etc, wasn’t “scientifically proven” once upon a time - not that I’m directly comparing trans* issues to otherkin, but it’s just an example
    Saying that we’re “crazy” and need serious help is indirectly attacking people with DID and other such disorders who live perfectly happily with their disorder - not everyone with a mental disorder is in danger or a danger to others and to assume so is ableist as fuck
    Saying someone is “crazy” is a fucking dickish thing to start with, especially as most of us actually DO have some form of unrelated mental disorder and being called insane or dangerous can be triggering as fuck you arsehole

I could say more but I just…. UUUUUGH I wanna kill someone right now

Okay, you're crazy. You're nuts. You're out of your goddamned mind.

There, I think he's either foaming all over his keyboard, or he has no damn idea what actually being triggered by anything is!

You disagree with me? Oh, I am triggered~

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i dream of one day becoming mai minakami

Otakukin are fucking insane.

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Had a long walk the other day. Kept taking detours. I was talking to Kiba for a long time. He explained so much to me, and I felt really connected to my world for a while. It was nice.

Kiba, as in, the Naruto Character. Exhibit 2: Otakukin are fucking insane.

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I honestly don't understand how singlets can be fictives/fictionkin (in the sense of a specific fictional character, species I can get my head around a bit more)- but that doesn't mean they aren't who they say they are, it just means I don't understand something.

I don't understand how ANY of you can be fictivekin or whatever. There's a lot more wrong with your self identification than just if people who have no headmates can pretend to be fictional characters too.

https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m553luGfuB1rtk2qxo1_r2_500.png

This lady is crazier than most Otakukin. She needs to get to that medical hospital, whether it triggers her or not.

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When asked about what I believe when it comes to physical shifting, I again have no problems whatsoever discussing it.

I do not believe in physical shifting. I believe that what you were born with is what you have.  In my case, my family has strong psychic abilities. My mom chose to use hers for less than wholesome means (namely, abusing me), but that doesn’t change the fact that she’s got them.  My sisters both have their own abilities.  It’s part of us.

I could say that my abnormally large bone structure and dense bones come from being a dragon.  I could say that my multiple hormonal imbalances come from attempting to be a dragon too many times. I could say that my bizarrely tiny toes are because my feet want to be paws and not feet.  But that’s all an impossibly silly idea, a fancy that isn’t real in the least.

BUT.

I had an experience when I was younger that makes me believe in some forms of shifting.  And that’s because, I went through this. I experienced a shift.

I was sad. I was lonely. I was a child in school with no friend, with no loves, with nothing that made me want to survive as a human. I took up meditation as a way to retreat, as a way to look inside myself and find something worth living for.

It was in those days that I was first discovering the dragon.  First finding all the interesting things inside myself.

What meditation did for me back then was help me divorce from my body. I learned to calm my heart, calm my breathing, calm myself. I learned to ‘go flat’ which for me was entering a completely empty state in which EVERYTHING was quiet and empty and there was only me.

It was a state without pain, without emotion, without the hurt of being so alone.

So, when I found the dragons in that state, I had an experience.

I felt the edge of the brick seat I was sitting on. I felt the people around me throwing things at me (they loved to throw food at me…poor fat Tala who wouldn’t respond to them and just ignored them).

And one day…one day I just…I moved.  I moved out of my body, completely outside of my body. I FELT my body stop breathing. I FELT everything cease.  I felt my entire physical body just be left behind. And in that moment, I merged into a dragon body.

I could see every aspect of her, the black dragoness that perched high above me on top of a building.  In that in-between space, I saw her, felt her, became her. And saw through her eyes the human body.

I don’t remember much about being the dragon.  It was a completely and totally alien experience.  The dragon existed on a plane parallel to this one, a completely different world with completely different laws governing it.  EVERYTHING was different.

I moved paws. Moved tail. Flapped wings.  Felt it all, from the blinking of an eye to the twitching of muscles. I knew what it was to be a dragon.

And I understood. In that moment, I understood why I was human, what it all meant. The dragon understood. The human couldn’t comprehend.  But I made the choice as the dragon to go back to the body. To return.

Sadly, the return cost all the thoughts I had had as that dragon.  Dragon thoughts at that level were not compatible with human thoughts.

But I remember the experience, and I remember what was.

And I do still long for that…it happened one time, and I do not think it will ever happen again.

The thing that makes this story different is the Out-of-body part of it.  That makes this different.

So no…not a physical shift. But as close to one as I will ever see in this life.

So, you say you're plus size not because of your big bones, but because you have big bones because you're really a dragon.

And you have an Evil Psychic Mother. And you've turned into a Spirit Dragon or some nonsense.

Lady, take your medicine. Its your friend. Its not poison.

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The Bite

Okay so I’ve had people asking me how do you change from a human to a shifter. There are many ways in doing so. The one that is most common is the bite from a shapeshifter. Not all shapeshifters can perform this though. It is not known why contagion through bite varies from species and specific individuals however, it is most common for alphas to be with a pack formed through biting humans. Again I state that there is a difference from lycanthropes and therianthropes. For example, therianthrope pack consists of members not tied by “bite-line”. The bite is different from what you’ve seen in the movies. It does not need to cut the skin. Doing so may risk infection or permanent damage to the person being bitten. Recent tests show that just a bite with saliva mixing with blood is not effective. To accomplish a successful bite in which the human has changed fully into a were-species, the shifter that is biting the human must shift either half or all the way while biting. Doing so requires extreme concentration and emotion and should be done by someone who knows what they’re doing. I would also like to discourage any shifter out there from mixing blood in hopes of changing a human. It can be dangerous (I’m talking H.I.V, blood poisoning, etc). If any one has questions, comments or concerns you can reach me here of one facebook.

...I have never seen so much ridiculousness in one post before. That's not how therianthropy, according to that one poster here, works, and I am damn sure HIV doesn't work like that.
At least they aren't the "Animal Supremacists" variety, I really just fuckin' LOATH there kind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 13, 2013, 12:03:04 am
Quote from: B-Man on December 09, 2013, 05:17:42 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 08, 2013, 11:38:16 pm
That's because I'm an idiot who used "IMG" tags instead of "quote" tags.

But I fixed my own derp.

It's still messed up.  Right now it's linking to http://proud. >_>

Huh, weird. It should be fixed for good now.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Illusive Man on December 14, 2013, 11:19:51 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on December 08, 2013, 10:04:10 pm
TL:DR Otakukin are fucking insane.
Be very glad you did not have to interview such persons. They are so much worse in person, it goes beyond insane to outright horror.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 15, 2013, 07:17:35 pm
(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/6380ae0896134c9e7c187432711f632c/tumblr_mrti9pyd3X1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
TL;DR, if other POC disagree with me, you're not true POC
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 16, 2013, 12:09:14 am
"POC is a unifying term" ...But I will use it to divide people into us and them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 16, 2013, 09:29:18 am
This attitude has been around for ages. Damn Oreos and your need to not 'act black' and 'forgetting your roots' and yada yada.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on December 16, 2013, 10:02:04 am
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Do not expect me to call you or treat you like a Poc.

...so you're admitting you treat people differently based on race? That's, uhh, racist.

It boggles my mind that someone who thinks they're anti-racist needs that pointed out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 16, 2013, 12:45:01 pm
Quote from: shy on December 16, 2013, 10:02:04 am
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Do not expect me to call you or treat you like a Poc.

...so you're admitting you treat people differently based on race? That's, uhh, racist.

It boggles my mind that someone who thinks they're anti-racist needs that pointed out.

How do I intersectionality?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2013, 01:59:58 am
(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/f4ad9006f530c62ea150b0a3297ead8d/tumblr_mrldov8QRC1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 17, 2013, 03:15:50 am
That's not what signal boost means.

And it's not the first time I've seen that specific post. I still feel like it's a poe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on December 17, 2013, 10:46:14 am
So it seems "bromance" is now oppressive.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/ca29cb796b5e2c3da1215eaefc5f1f27/tumblr_mryptwamnI1ryeto5o1_500.png)

And yeah, you read right: they cited "because is ruins my gay slash pairings" as a reason for it being oppressive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: kefkaownsall on December 17, 2013, 03:31:22 pm
a lot of poc get frustrated with some rather boomerang bigots like Herman Cain or Michelle Malkin or George Zimmerman
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 17, 2013, 11:16:31 pm
Quote from: Damen on December 17, 2013, 10:46:14 am
So it seems "bromance" is now oppressive.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/ca29cb796b5e2c3da1215eaefc5f1f27/tumblr_mryptwamnI1ryeto5o1_500.png)

And yeah, you read right: they cited "because is ruins my gay slash pairings" as a reason for it being oppressive.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on December 18, 2013, 05:01:55 am
Bromance is problematic in that it assumes other male on male affection is homosexual in nature and therefore icky. Heretik posted (somewhere else on the interwebs) an interesting piece on how the animadversion to affection between men and the need to constantly euphemise it as "bromance" in order to assert heteronormativity is detrimental to all men.

With that said, "because is ruins my gay slash pairings" is one of those stupid shit expect from fandom bloggers.

Quote from: Commander Shepard on December 17, 2013, 03:15:50 am
That's not what signal boost means.


My first thought when seeing that posts. But I've seen people use QFT in the wrong context, so it really shouldn't really phase me as much.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on December 18, 2013, 07:07:32 am
I actually see bromance as a response to the idea that any affection between men is gay. There's still the cultural need to clarify that it isn't gay, but at least it's recognizing that such a thing is possible.

Part of the problem is that there's a standard jab that if two unrelated people are spending a lot of time together, they must be fucking. It's there regardless of gender. And in fact it's strongest if it's a man and a woman.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 18, 2013, 09:58:55 am
I use bromance for relationships between two guys, one guy one girl, two girls, etc., But I might be weird that way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 18, 2013, 02:23:43 pm
Quote from: Commander Shepard on December 17, 2013, 03:15:50 am
That's not what signal boost means.

And it's not the first time I've seen that specific post. I still feel like it's a poe.

I remember that blog. They also posted this:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d397e8a108f63c15d9ba39c8a623b865/tumblr_mri7acGMDT1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 18, 2013, 03:01:28 pm
Yeah, that's a really Poe-like post. It hits pretty much every point there is with crazy social justice weirdos ("transfat", engaging in strange and disruptive behaviors that also happen to be more than a little silly, "tone and language policing", which happens to be a trigger and causes a panic attack, a regular person having a problem with their behavior, and a funny ending about "precious calories").
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 18, 2013, 07:48:52 pm
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT I DON’T CARE IF IT’S FANTASY AND YOU’RE COSPLAYING A DARK ELF OR SOME SHIT YOU DON’T PAINT YOUR SKIN BLACK OR BROWN OR YELLOW IF YOU ARE WHITE

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NO IT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS BEING GROSSED OUT BY FURRIES WHAT THE FUCK

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blackface girl isn’t in her racist bodypaint today thank fuck

This was posted on Tumblr (presented in chronological order) by a girl who came to a con I was at (Holiday Matsuri in Kissimmee), in relation to a femme-ish Holiday Jarlaxle cosplayer.

This is Jarlaxle:

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070703195825/forgottenrealms/images/1/13/Jarlaxle_PotWK.JPG)

Clearly, the drow are the African-Americans of our time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 18, 2013, 11:41:11 pm
Quote from: Commander Shepard on December 18, 2013, 09:58:55 am
I use bromance for relationships between two guys, one guy one girl, two girls, etc., But I might be weird that way.

Well if it is supposed to refer to a very tight friendship rather than anything romantic then I guess it would make sense to use it regardless of genders even if it originally was for friendship between two guys specifically.

As for that Drow face-paint thing... Would they get equally mad over people cosplaying green skinned orks or Na'vi from Avatar or something? Besides dark elves in most settings are specifically BLACK (or sometimes grey or blue) not the brownish dark colours that humans have (well some africans really have quite black skin but I don't think even they get as black as the drow in forgotten realms are sometimes depicted as.)

And WOW those pics I found are huge so I put them behind a spoiler. They still don't look like any colours I've seen on healthy humans.
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ThunderWulf on December 19, 2013, 11:23:19 am
A post I saw on tumblr about the whole drow/dark-elf thing hit the nail on the head that:

If you think this:
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/366aa574f62db89f0f7618022a3fd86a/tumblr_mfxaglYZTW1qbrupjo1_1280.jpg)

Is as offensive as THIS:
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/blackface_3910.jpg)

Then you're not paying attention.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 19, 2013, 11:54:35 am
I found a picture of the actual person doing Holiday Jarlaxle from the con.

(http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/351/6/5/rule_63_natsu_and_holiday_jarlaxle_by_zelrondidi_ji-d6yclm8.jpg)

Clearly, with her pointed ears and red eyes, she's a black person.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on December 19, 2013, 12:01:37 pm
Geez.  That's ridiculous to equate that with blackface.  I swear, some people want to make something out of obviously nothing.  Do they get their rocks off on it or what?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 19, 2013, 12:57:06 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on December 19, 2013, 12:01:37 pm
Geez.  That's ridiculous to equate that with blackface.  I swear, some people want to make something out of obviously nothing.  Do they get their rocks off on it or what?

She's Chinese or Korean as well, and her Tumblr includes some posts making fun of white people (like "lol white people's face when they try our herbal tea"). So she screams in all caps that someone painting themselves to resemble a dark elf is racist, and then starts making rather racist jokes herself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 19, 2013, 03:51:32 pm
It's like that time when a bunch of SJW's got pissed at some black dude for cosplaying dark Link.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on December 19, 2013, 04:22:49 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 19, 2013, 03:51:32 pm
It's like that time when a bunch of SJW's got pissed at some black dude for cosplaying dark Link.

Wait, was that in this topic? I don't remember that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 19, 2013, 07:19:01 pm
Here it is:

http://windybells.tumblr.com/post/45006524175/artigeik-mengoi-yaphi1-horriblecosplay

And now for something completely different:

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Social privilege is not being denied the right to retake an oral presentation final in a more comfortable one on one environment. How on earth can I feel comfortable giving my presentation while being glared at by another 30 students.

So I skipped it.

Now the professor has the audacity to say that it was my responsibility to have been there when I had already told him giving presentations like that made me quite uncomfortable. He tells me that I’m not allowed to make it up by giving the presentation to just him and that I should have thought my actions through. Does he not see how shortsighted and victim-blamey this is? I can’t progress in my studies in such a toxic environment.

If he wants his best student to succeed, he needs to give his best student the platform to do that.


#Social Privilege #extrovert oppression #introvert discrimination #extra help #discrimination 

I want to say this is a Poe but I wouldn't put this past Tumblr.

If you have a legitimate form of social anxiety disorder (by legitimate I mean not "self diagnosed") then you need to make arrangements with your school ahead of time.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on December 19, 2013, 07:24:04 pm
Well you got what you deserved didnt ya you dumb bitch
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 19, 2013, 07:27:03 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 19, 2013, 07:19:01 pm
Here it is:

http://windybells.tumblr.com/post/45006524175/artigeik-mengoi-yaphi1-horriblecosplay

And now for something completely different:

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Social privilege is not being denied the right to retake an oral presentation final in a more comfortable one on one environment. How on earth can I feel comfortable giving my presentation while being glared at by another 30 students.

So I skipped it.

Now the professor has the audacity to say that it was my responsibility to have been there when I had already told him giving presentations like that made me quite uncomfortable. He tells me that I’m not allowed to make it up by giving the presentation to just him and that I should have thought my actions through. Does he not see how shortsighted and victim-blamey this is? I can’t progress in my studies in such a toxic environment.

If he wants his best student to succeed, he needs to give his best student the platform to do that.


#Social Privilege #extrovert oppression #introvert discrimination #extra help #discrimination 

I want to say this is a Poe but I wouldn't put this past Tumblr.

If you have a legitimate form of social anxiety disorder (by legitimate I mean not "self diagnosed") then you need to make arrangements with your school ahead of time.



Don't forget the complete arrogance at the very end of that post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on December 19, 2013, 07:49:43 pm
...The whole point of giving a presentation is that you give it to multiple people.

The meaning of the assignment would be absolutely pointless if you gave it one-on-one because it's meant to prepare you for doing it in front of multiple people.

It would be like teaching a typing class and letting students handwrite.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 19, 2013, 07:52:33 pm
And while it would be nice if this was a poe, isn't there someone on the forum who had to deal with someone like this?  She claimed to have such bad anxiety that she demanded everyone but the one guy leave the house, and never gave any indication that she was seeking help and just expected the entire world to stop for her?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 19, 2013, 08:03:22 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 19, 2013, 07:52:33 pm
And while it would be nice if this was a poe, isn't there someone on the forum who had to deal with someone like this?  She claimed to have such bad anxiety that she demanded everyone but the one guy leave the house, and never gave any indication that she was seeking help and just expected the entire world to stop for her?

Yeah, I remember that. A woman with "such bad social anxiety" that she would supposedly devolve into panic attacks around literally anyone except for one particular person, and demanded that everyone leave her presence immediately.

I pointed out how difficult it would have been for said woman to even get from her house to her friend's house in the first place if she had such terrible social anxiety. Unless she's just tranquilized and loaded on a hand cart.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 19, 2013, 09:55:55 pm
I can understand if you have social anxiety issues and giving a presentation in a class of a dozen or more people being cause for a major panic episode, but that's something you discuss before the day of the presentation, you don't just spring shit on people.  Just because you have social anxiety problems doesn't mean you get to blatantly ignore the rules of social etiquette without any kind of consequences.  I say this as a person with legitimate social anxiety issues (ie: diagnosed by an actual professional and not pulled out of my arse), there are expectations of people when they reach a certain age in our society, and one of those is giving forewarning to teachers about any legitimate medical/psychological conditions you have that might impact your ability to complete any of their assignments.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 19, 2013, 11:17:45 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 19, 2013, 09:55:55 pm
I can understand if you have social anxiety issues and giving a presentation in a class of a dozen or more people being cause for a major panic episode, but that's something you discuss before the day of the presentation, you don't just spring shit on people.  Just because you have social anxiety problems doesn't mean you get to blatantly ignore the rules of social etiquette without any kind of consequences.  I say this as a person with legitimate social anxiety issues (ie: diagnosed by an actual professional and not pulled out of my arse), there are expectations of people when they reach a certain age in our society, and one of those is giving forewarning to teachers about any legitimate medical/psychological conditions you have that might impact your ability to complete any of their assignments.

And this is assuming they even have a legitimate anxiety disorder, considering all they described it as was 'quite uncomfortable' and that their reason is one given by everybody who's ever been nervous or uncomfortable giving a presentation, and that's a pretty common fear, or so I've heard.  It sounds more like she follows the thought of "I'm uncomfortable, therefore I'm triggered and have a disorder."  One of those who feels they have the right to not be inconvenienced by the world in any way, and that they never have to improve themselves or their flaws or their problems.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 20, 2013, 12:14:57 am
Oh my god, this bitch. THIS BITCH. Buckle your seatbelts ladies, gentlemen, and otherwise: it's story time.

Like many people, I get nervous when asked to get up in front of people and talk. It makes me uncomfortable. Unlike many people, I have various diagnosed disorders (such as high-functioning autism) that make giving speeches/presentations absolutely horrifying. it was at a point where I had to run to the bathroom and vomit because I was anxious, and that was on the day the speech was assigned. I begged my teacher for a smaller audience, a shorter speech, an alternate assignment, anything, and she said no. She said that I would have to give speeches and presentations in my adult life, and that adulthood wasn't going to coddle me. What she did do was she tutored me after school and during study hall. At least three times a week (and sometimes three times a day) she helped me learn how to give a speech. Some of the methods we used were silly (like printing out my classmates' school pictures and taping them to cardboard cutouts) but it helped. By the time Speech Day rolled around, I was still nervous, but I could function like a normal human being. I wasn't confident, but I faked it so well my classmates joked that I had hired someone to give my speech for me. I was uncomfortable, but I sought help and worked through my anxiety instead of saying "I don't like that I'm held to the same standards as everyone else, therefore I'm oppressed". I didn't claim "introvert oppression" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean) or skip class and demand to make up the assignment on my terms, I learned ways to deal with my fear instead of expecting the world to conform to my wants. The person who posted this has her head so far up her faux-social-justice ass that I bet she can taste her fucking gallbladder. There is no "extrovert discrimination", there's just some obnoxious white girl on tumblr screaming "I'm oppressed! I'm in pain! I think this is what pain feels like! Oh Momma, someone maternal!"

(Rant over, I just want to give an internet WHOOP WHOOP for the freaking awesome Ms. K, for helping me learn to give speeches.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 20, 2013, 01:08:01 am
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on December 20, 2013, 12:14:57 am
Oh my god, this bitch. THIS BITCH. Buckle your seatbelts ladies, gentlemen, and otherwise: it's story time.

Like many people, I get nervous when asked to get up in front of people and talk. It makes me uncomfortable. Unlike many people, I have various diagnosed disorders (such as high-functioning autism) that make giving speeches/presentations absolutely horrifying. it was at a point where I had to run to the bathroom and vomit because I was anxious, and that was on the day the speech was assigned. I begged my teacher for a smaller audience, a shorter speech, an alternate assignment, anything, and she said no. She said that I would have to give speeches and presentations in my adult life, and that adulthood wasn't going to coddle me. What she did do was she tutored me after school and during study hall. At least three times a week (and sometimes three times a day) she helped me learn how to give a speech. Some of the methods we used were silly (like printing out my classmates' school pictures and taping them to cardboard cutouts) but it helped. By the time Speech Day rolled around, I was still nervous, but I could function like a normal human being. I wasn't confident, but I faked it so well my classmates joked that I had hired someone to give my speech for me. I was uncomfortable, but I sought help and worked through my anxiety instead of saying "I don't like that I'm held to the same standards as everyone else, therefore I'm oppressed". I didn't claim "introvert oppression" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean) or skip class and demand to make up the assignment on my terms, I learned ways to deal with my fear instead of expecting the world to conform to my wants. The person who posted this has her head so far up her faux-social-justice ass that I bet she can taste her fucking gallbladder. There is no "extrovert discrimination", there's just some obnoxious white girl on tumblr screaming "I'm oppressed! I'm in pain! I think this is what pain feels like! Oh Momma, someone maternal!"

(Rant over, I just want to give an internet WHOOP WHOOP for the freaking awesome Ms. K, for helping me learn to give speeches.)

"But Dodongo, telling someone that they should seek help for their medical conditions and to try to overcome their problems is ableism because it demands that people conform to societal norms and denies them their identity as individuals!  They shouldn't need to grow and change!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Delirium on December 21, 2013, 08:29:21 pm
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    Ancient Egypt was not a mixed society.
    Ancient Egypt was PITCHED BLACK until the 7th century AD, when Indo Aryans called Arabs invaded from Central Asia.
    For 99 percent of Egyptian history, Egypt was as BLACK as Nigeria, as BLACK as Congo, and as BLACK as Senegal.
    King Tut was a dark skinned black man,
    Queen Tiye was a beautiful and EXTREMELY dark skinned woman.
    Hatshepsut was also very very very dark skinned.
    Even during the Ptolemaic period of Kemet, the Egyptians were primarily African.
    The fact that the most advanced civilization of human history was composed primarily of Black People is the most annoying and frustrating thing to white supremacist historians today.

Ancient Egypt has been whitewashed a lot (note to casting directors: putting a white person in bronzer and a black wig is not going to make them look Egyptian), but this is so wrong that I don't know where to begin. Modern Egyptians are genetically the same as their ancestors, and I hate how some people think that modern Egyptians are just invaders who pushed out the native black African population just because they don't fit their idea of what Africans should look like. It's obvious that they've never even seen any Egyptians before, since a lot of them are black. Also, Africa is the most genetically diverse place on the planet and not all Africans look the same. That's like saying that Punjabis aren't really Asian because they don't look like Japanese people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on December 22, 2013, 11:42:50 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3b6e0bedb19f921adeb678b49b7066d5/tumblr_msa110gIJH1ryeto5o1_500.png)

The entire English language is ableist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 22, 2013, 11:59:50 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/c405223fe5037d1ed93e973749a647ef/tumblr_ms2moqjRgQ1ryeto5o1_400.png)

If there is not super sized king or queen "lording over all of fat acceptance" except for the OP of course.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 23, 2013, 12:10:31 am
So I suppose fat people are known simply as "fats". That's kind of hilarious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 23, 2013, 12:39:52 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 23, 2013, 12:10:31 am
So I suppose fat people are known simply as "fats". That's kind of hilarious.

YOU'RE A FAT
YOU'RE A FAT
EVERYONE IS A FAT
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on December 23, 2013, 01:43:37 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on December 22, 2013, 11:42:50 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3b6e0bedb19f921adeb678b49b7066d5/tumblr_msa110gIJH1ryeto5o1_500.png)

The entire English language is ableist.

As someone who tries to avoid ableist language anymore (with some relaxation here and there) you have no idea how true this is x_x
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 23, 2013, 08:32:18 am
(http://i.imgur.com/KNxWr5V.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 23, 2013, 09:21:32 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 23, 2013, 08:32:18 am
(http://i.imgur.com/KNxWr5V.png)

Well...ain't that some shit?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 23, 2013, 02:25:47 pm
What isn't rape culture according to these people?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on December 23, 2013, 03:18:23 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 23, 2013, 02:25:47 pm
What isn't rape culture according to these people?

Um...


Hmmmm... 

Oh wait, wait, wait!  ... Ah, never mind...
...

...

I got nothin'. :-/
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Yla on December 23, 2013, 03:36:21 pm
I think the mistletoes 'tradition' is freaking weird. The expectation to kiss random strangers... it's not rape culture ffs, but I don't feel comfortable with the idea.

For the record, I've never seen a mistletoe that wasn't still attached to a tree.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on December 23, 2013, 03:48:07 pm
I've never seen a mistletoe that was attached to a tree.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on December 23, 2013, 04:07:19 pm
I've never actually seen people kiss under mistletoe that weren't already dating/married. It's not any sort of essential tradition.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 23, 2013, 04:31:37 pm
The mistletoe is our state flower yet no body here does that with the exception of a few couples.

Also, the real war on Christmas:

http://intersectionalfeminism.tumblr.com/post/70876974861/reasons-why-its-not-okay-to-tell-someone-to-get-into
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 23, 2013, 06:15:16 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 23, 2013, 04:31:37 pm
The mistletoe is our state flower yet no body here does that with the exception of a few couples.

Also, the real war on Christmas:

http://intersectionalfeminism.tumblr.com/post/70876974861/reasons-why-its-not-okay-to-tell-someone-to-get-into

As far as Tumblr social justice is concerned, almost everyone on the planet (who isn't a white cis male) is a bundle of frayed nerves, ready to explode into a panic attack and/or being self-harmful behavior at the slightest provocation, and the only way to avoid triggering any of this is to basically sanitize the entirety of society and isolate almost everyone into metaphorical "personal bubbles".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 23, 2013, 08:21:45 pm
Note that the following is my own personal experience and I don't claim to speak for anyone else but myself:

I had a very traumatic Christmas one year. When I was ten I lost a loved one on Christmas night (my great grandmother). It was a traumatic experience yes, but I moved on. Because I personally believe it would be an insult to her memory to stop celebrating because of her death when we had a lot of great times together while she was alive. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 30, 2013, 04:02:40 pm
Actually no.  I agree with that.  It does make you complicit in bigotry and oppression.  After all, one person saying gays are bad can be shouted down but a whole chorus of 'em gets a bit chancy.  The whole freedom of speech thing is that you can say what you want but you have to accept the consequences of your speech not hide behind something.

Ironbite-not sure why you're disagreeing with that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 30, 2013, 04:13:34 pm
*adds gasoline to developing flame war*
I respect and defend someone's right to be a bigoted asshole and to say bigoted, hateful things. I do not support their "right" to avoid the consequences of their bigoted, hateful speech by crying "it's in the bibble/religious freedom/you're persecuting me/etc".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on December 30, 2013, 04:56:10 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on December 30, 2013, 03:47:30 pm
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newsflash defending someone’s right to be a bigoted asshole doesn’t make you an open minded, principled person, it makes you complicit in bigotry and oppression

Haha, no. That's not how freedom of speech works.

yeah, if anything I'd throw that in the best of thread. Ironbite said it best, people can say what they want, but that doesn't exempt them from social consequences. The whole idea of freedom of speech (according to Justice Black and Douglas) is to create a market place of ideas. That is why government shouldn't get involved, so good, albeit unpopular opinions (read communism and socialism*) can be promoted in a free and civil manner. Regardless, society is free to reject such views as stupid and pointless. Which is the idea of free speech, Jack can say "fags will burn in hell" and people can say "Jack's an ass", but the government can't discriminate against either viewpoint.

*I went with communism because most of the famous free speech cases are states persecuting communists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on December 30, 2013, 05:08:11 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on December 22, 2013, 11:42:50 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3b6e0bedb19f921adeb678b49b7066d5/tumblr_msa110gIJH1ryeto5o1_500.png)

The entire English language is ableist.

Is saying something is bad ableist?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 06:33:46 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on December 30, 2013, 04:56:10 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on December 30, 2013, 03:47:30 pm
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newsflash defending someone’s right to be a bigoted asshole doesn’t make you an open minded, principled person, it makes you complicit in bigotry and oppression

Haha, no. That's not how freedom of speech works.

yeah, if anything I'd throw that in the best of thread. Ironbite said it best, people can say what they want, but that doesn't exempt them from social consequences. The whole idea of freedom of speech (according to Justice Black and Douglas) is to create a market place of ideas. That is why government shouldn't get involved, so good, albeit unpopular opinions (read communism and socialism*) can be promoted in a free and civil manner. Regardless, society is free to reject such views as stupid and pointless. Which is the idea of free speech, Jack can say "fags will burn in hell" and people can say "Jack's an ass", but the government can't discriminate against either viewpoint.

*I went with communism because most of the famous free speech cases are states persecuting communists.

Yeah, I'm with both of you. Which is something that usually never happens. This might be Bizarro FQA.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on December 30, 2013, 06:43:06 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on December 30, 2013, 03:47:30 pm
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newsflash defending someone’s right to be a bigoted asshole doesn’t make you an open minded, principled person, it makes you complicit in bigotry and oppression

Haha, no. That's not how freedom of speech works.
Depends what they mean by "defending their right" to be a bigot. If they mean defending a bigot from government imposed censorship and/or punishment, then defending them doesn't make you complicit in their bigotry. On the other hand, if by "defending," they mean trying to stop other people from criticising them, or making sure the bigot has a platform for their hateful speach, then yes, you are complicit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on December 30, 2013, 07:08:17 pm
What John said. (I hate doing that but he literally said almost word-for-word what I was about to)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 08:34:59 pm
A lot of "asshole statements" would easily end up falling into hate speech territory. Calling poor people lazy douchebags is being an asshole. Calling gay people abominations and demanding that we beat the gay out of our children is more than that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on December 30, 2013, 08:41:08 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 08:34:59 pm
A lot of "asshole statements" would easily end up falling into hate speech territory. Calling poor people lazy douchebags is being an asshole. Calling gay people abominations and demanding that we beat the gay out of our children is more than that.

Except we don't have hate speech laws in the USA.  So... doesn't matter too much.

Personally? I wish we DID have those kinds of laws...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 30, 2013, 08:58:28 pm
I think hate speech is more a civil thing than a criminal one, but I might be mistaken...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 30, 2013, 09:16:35 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 08:34:59 pm
A lot of "asshole statements" would easily end up falling into hate speech territory. Calling poor people lazy douchebags is being an asshole. Calling gay people abominations and demanding that we beat the gay out of our children is more than that.

Do you think it should be illegal?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 30, 2013, 09:20:35 pm
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/3370a695dd4799978182af750fcbfac0/tumblr_mwye1r0x5i1sln4rfo1_500.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/Lwt0189.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on December 30, 2013, 09:21:28 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on December 30, 2013, 08:41:08 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 08:34:59 pm
A lot of "asshole statements" would easily end up falling into hate speech territory. Calling poor people lazy douchebags is being an asshole. Calling gay people abominations and demanding that we beat the gay out of our children is more than that.

Except we don't have hate speech laws in the USA.  So... doesn't matter too much.

Personally? I wish we DID have those kinds of laws...

You mean you think we should have hate speech laws? If someone is convicted of hate speech, would punishment would they face?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on December 30, 2013, 09:26:24 pm
Seems like it could really be abused too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on December 30, 2013, 09:29:01 pm
Yeah, that's my issue with them. There are no boundaries.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 30, 2013, 09:52:26 pm
Besides, that's one of the good things about the internet.  It seems to have an odd predisposition for outing these particularly foul bastards for the wastrels they truly are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 09:53:20 pm
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Yeah, that's my issue with them. There are no boundaries.

Who says?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 30, 2013, 09:56:32 pm
The more broad a scope a law has, the more easily it can be abused.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on December 30, 2013, 10:28:14 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 09:53:20 pm
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Yeah, that's my issue with them. There are no boundaries.

Who says?

People typically apply hate speech to gender, race, orientation, or religion, but what's stopping it from going further? I don't mean it on an individual scale (like an employer or university), but federally. Hate speech can easily be redefined to apply to other groups.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 10:35:10 pm
Is there any argument against it that isn't a slippery slope fallacy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 30, 2013, 10:52:02 pm
Back on topic:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/5ba71110b9d5cd1b5fcd6b3aa870ea82/tumblr_miwtfjgD3p1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Welcome to Tumblr; Where viewing someone's public blog is akin to rape.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on December 30, 2013, 10:54:29 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 30, 2013, 10:52:02 pm
Back on topic:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/5ba71110b9d5cd1b5fcd6b3aa870ea82/tumblr_miwtfjgD3p1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Welcome to Tumblr; Where viewing someone's public blog is akin to rape.

The comparison is massively overblown, but it's not the viewing to which the writer is objecting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on December 30, 2013, 10:58:37 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 10:35:10 pm
Is there any argument against it that isn't a slippery slope fallacy?

A number...

such as the first amendment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 30, 2013, 11:00:13 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on December 30, 2013, 10:58:37 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 10:35:10 pm
Is there any argument against it that isn't a slippery slope fallacy?

A number...

such as the first amendment.

Silly Queen, the Constitution only matters when its convenient.  You know, like the Bible.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on December 30, 2013, 11:20:36 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 30, 2013, 11:00:13 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on December 30, 2013, 10:58:37 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 10:35:10 pm
Is there any argument against it that isn't a slippery slope fallacy?

A number...

such as the first amendment.

Silly Queen, the Constitution only matters when its convenient.  You know, like the Bible.

Of course, how could I forget the 2nd amendment is the only real amendment?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 11:41:30 pm
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A number...

such as the first amendment.

I would like to propose the banning of alcoholic beverages. My argument: the 21st Amendment.

Freedom of speech has never been unlimited in any nation, for various reasons, and that includes the United States. The United States is actually rather unusual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech) in its liberal view on hate speech laws. The more people who are allowed to advocate discrimination, the more people their message can influence. We're not exactly quashing a rebellion here, or censoring people from criticizing the government. This is about preventing people from attempting to further goals that reduce the civil rights of innocent people, or even have them killed or brainwashed.

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Of course, how could I forget the 2nd amendment is the only real amendment?

The real irony in this is using nothing but the First Amendment to support allowing free hate speech in the United States, when you would immediately attempt to brutally dismantle a pro-gun rights argument that used nothing but the Second Amendment. Maybe even using very similar text as I had above here.

Regardless, this isn't an argument about gun rights.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 31, 2013, 09:32:19 am
Quote from: QueenofHearts on December 30, 2013, 11:20:36 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 30, 2013, 11:00:13 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on December 30, 2013, 10:58:37 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 10:35:10 pm
Is there any argument against it that isn't a slippery slope fallacy?

A number...

such as the first amendment.

Silly Queen, the Constitution only matters when its convenient.  You know, like the Bible.

Of course, how could I forget the 2nd amendment is the only real amendment?

Second Amendment...isn't that the one saying I can shoot any commie pinko I see?  Or was that the one declaring America a Christian Nation?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on December 31, 2013, 09:37:07 am
/me sighs

here we go...

Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 11:41:30 pm
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A number...

such as the first amendment.
I would like to propose the banning of alcoholic beverages. My argument: the 21st Amendment.

And what exactly is your point? That constitutional guarantees of rights are not absolute? Cause I knew that from Schenck v. United States. Or that the constitution can be amended and portions removed? Cause I knew that too. Quite frankly, I fail to see the point you're trying to make.

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Freedom of speech has never been unlimited in any nation, for various reasons, and that includes the United States. The United States is actually rather unusual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech) in its liberal view on hate speech laws. The more people who are allowed to advocate discrimination, the more people their message can influence. We're not exactly quashing a rebellion here, or censoring people from criticizing the government. This is about preventing people from attempting to further goals that reduce the civil rights of innocent people, or even have them killed or brainwashed.

Goalpost shift. We are clearly talking about implementing them in the United States. See here

Quote from: Sleepy on December 30, 2013, 09:21:28 pm
You mean you think we should have hate speech laws? If someone is convicted of hate speech, would punishment would they face?

Bolded for emphasis. But, then you asked this question specifically

Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 10:35:10 pm
Is there any argument against it that isn't a slippery slope fallacy?

And I answered the question. I presented a reason why they couldn't be implemented in the United States, because they're unconstitutional. In the link you posted, if you look at it, it mentions Brandenburg v. Ohio. That is a staple of free speech law in this country, if a I recall, a 9-0 decision. I would be surprised if it is overturned in our lifetimes. But of course, then you goalpost shift by saying, "well, lets ignore this reason, now why can't we?".

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The real irony in this is using nothing but the First Amendment to support allowing free hate speech in the United States, when you would immediately attempt to brutally dismantle a pro-gun rights argument that used nothing but the Second Amendment. Maybe even using very similar text as I had above here.

Regardless, this isn't an argument about gun rights.

I love how you removed Ravy's post from the quote. You know, where he says "the Constitution only matters when its convenient.  You know, like the Bible." clearly showing he is, and by proxy I am, JOKING. But this shows your hand, you're looking to argue for argument sake.

Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 31, 2013, 09:32:19 am
Second Amendment...isn't that the one saying I can shoot any commie pinko I see?  Or was that the one declaring America a Christian Nation?

DISCLAIMER, MAKING A JOKE BECAUSE PEOPLE DO THAT: Ravy, it does both. That is the wonder of the Second Amendment, God gave it to us to protect our Christian nation by living in paranoia about "outsiders."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on December 31, 2013, 09:43:39 am
Wiki's definition of hate speech: In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.

Given its broad scope, but I'm not particularly confident that our lawmakers can create and enforce such laws without bringing their own harmful political bias into it. This leads to selective interpretation and potentially serious limitations when it comes to freedom of speech, something that is protected by our first amendment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 31, 2013, 11:53:00 am
Quote from: QueenofHearts on December 31, 2013, 09:37:07 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 31, 2013, 09:32:19 am
Second Amendment...isn't that the one saying I can shoot any commie pinko I see?  Or was that the one declaring America a Christian Nation?

DISCLAIMER, MAKING A JOKE BECAUSE PEOPLE DO THAT: Ravy, it does both. That is the wonder of the Second Amendment, God gave it to us to protect our Christian nation by living in paranoia about "outsiders."

Aah, how efficient!  I figured we'd need 10 amendments to give us that, since it takes 10 commandments to get "don't be a prick" across.

Also, I don't bother pointing out its a joke, because my jokes are typically so obvious, that you'd have to be brain dead to miss 'em.  If Mr. B. Natural over 'ere decides to ignore 'em, well...I'll ignore him, too.  Not with any half-arsed ignore list, either, because I happen to be pro like that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 31, 2013, 12:02:38 pm
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on December 31, 2013, 02:04:57 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on December 31, 2013, 09:43:39 am
Wiki's definition of hate speech: In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.

Given its broad scope, but I'm not particularly confident that our lawmakers can create and enforce such laws without bringing their own harmful political bias into it. This leads to selective interpretation and potentially serious limitations when it comes to freedom of speech, something that is protected by our first amendment.

Sadly, while I wish we had hate speech laws, I DO have worries over the broadness.  I just want to stop fuckers like the WBC protesting funerals.  Or the idiots that say "if you're gay, you deserve to die" / "if you wear skimpy clothes, you deserve to be raped" kinda bullshit.  That should not stand in a civil society and they SHOULD face legal repercussions for what they say.


I'm reminded of a line from "God Bless America":  "What's the point in calling ourselves a civilization if we cannot act civilized?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on December 31, 2013, 10:04:14 pm
The Bethyl tag on tumblr seems to have decided that pointing out someone's publicly given age and tying it to their shipping preference is hate speech. I'd go grab examples, but that tag always makes me feel like I'm going to end up on a watch list.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 31, 2013, 11:25:17 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/7jWXv5O.png)

Wait, what?

(http://i.imgur.com/u7akg2H.png)

Yep, that's how you make a difference alright.

(http://i.imgur.com/vu6pWHR.png)

Yes, only white girls do those things. You are correct.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 01, 2014, 10:19:46 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 31, 2013, 11:25:17 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/vu6pWHR.png)

Yes, only white girls do those things. You are correct.

(http://www.troll.me/images/xzibit-yo-dawg/nigga-please.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 01, 2014, 04:36:29 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/UHnlCTP.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 01, 2014, 05:33:34 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on December 31, 2013, 09:37:07 am
/me sighs

here we go...

Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 11:41:30 pm
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A number...

such as the first amendment.
I would like to propose the banning of alcoholic beverages. My argument: the 21st Amendment.

And what exactly is your point? That constitutional guarantees of rights are not absolute? Cause I knew that from Schenck v. United States. Or that the constitution can be amended and portions removed? Cause I knew that too. Quite frankly, I fail to see the point you're trying to make.

The argument he's making is that "the Constitution says" isn't a proper argument. People wrote the constitution. They might have been wrong. Were they not? Okay, make an argument to that effect.

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And I answered the question. I presented a reason why they couldn't be implemented in the United States, because they're unconstitutional. In the link you posted, if you look at it, it mentions Brandenburg v. Ohio. That is a staple of free speech law in this country, if a I recall, a 9-0 decision. I would be surprised if it is overturned in our lifetimes. But of course, then you goalpost shift by saying, "well, lets ignore this reason, now why can't we?".

See, you haven't actually shown this. You've shown that it's unconstitutional, not that it is a bad idea. They are not synonymous.

Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 10:35:10 pm
Is there any argument against it that isn't a slippery slope fallacy?

Here's one: it doesn't work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on January 01, 2014, 06:30:00 pm
Fred, I see what you're saying, but that is not the question I (or the board) was asked. Thing is, you change the question, you change the results. The question the board was asked was

Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 30, 2013, 10:35:10 pm
Is there any argument against [implementing hate speech laws in America] that isn't a slippery slope fallacy?

And I gave an argument against such, that it is unconstitutional. I cited Brandenburg for a good reason, because it specifically dealt with hate speech. I'm making a practicality argument, that such laws will never be made in this country in our life time. If he didn't want someone pointing out the legal faults with such laws, he should have qualified his question to reflect as much. I never intended to get into the policy side of such a debate because I'm just not interested in it.

I answered this question alone because Sleepy answered the vagueness portion of it. Fact is, I'm curious how one could write a hate speech law and not be vague about critical portions of the law (because if a law is too vague on certain points, it will be ruled unconstitutional on the grounds it gives too much power to police and the state).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 01, 2014, 07:09:27 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/3KkHO73.png)

Holding grudges isn't good for your mental health.

(http://i.imgur.com/3Bn4D3Q.jpg)

This person must be a riot at parties.

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NO NO NO

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on January 01, 2014, 07:16:39 pm
Ew ew ew.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 01, 2014, 07:30:05 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 01, 2014, 07:09:27 pm
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This person must be a riot at parties.

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NO NO NO

"That's what girls worry about, right, having big vaginas?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 01, 2014, 07:31:42 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 01, 2014, 08:34:08 pm
Because it falls under sex positivity as well as body positivity but done wrong, I guess.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on January 01, 2014, 08:57:54 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 01, 2014, 07:09:27 pm
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Don't know why this is here as it's completely devoid of context. For all we know, that person could've been emotionally abused or some such.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on January 02, 2014, 12:58:58 am
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"Masturbation is something that we all do and it hurts no one so it is not wrong. It is natural and beautiful."

I’m going to fucking stab someone. There’s nothing beautiful about being a selfish slut and no, not everyone does it. Fuck you and your sex normative bullshit.

I can't get a handle on this guy's tumblr (http://cynically--colorblind.tumblr.com/) to determine whether this is a fake or not.  He claims to be 18 and an emo.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 02, 2014, 01:06:47 am
He is a...tantalizing...target.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 02, 2014, 01:44:28 am
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"Masturbation is something that we all do and it hurts no one so it is not wrong. It is natural and beautiful."

I’m going to fucking stab someone. There’s nothing beautiful about being a selfish slut and no, not everyone does it. Fuck you and your sex normative bullshit.

I can't get a handle on this guy's tumblr (http://cynically--colorblind.tumblr.com/) to determine whether this is a fake or not.  He claims to be 18 and an emo.

Sounds like one of them anti-sex fundies to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 02, 2014, 03:42:42 am
There's a fine line between sex positivity and asexual shaming...
...and another one asexual positivity and sex shaming.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 02, 2014, 04:06:35 am
My response was something like this: "Asexuals masturbate too" which they do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: largeham on January 02, 2014, 06:08:19 am
Quote from: gyeonghwa on January 02, 2014, 01:44:28 am
Sounds like one of them anti-sex fundies to me.

Define 'anti-sex'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 02, 2014, 06:16:43 am
According to him, women (and presumably trans men) who gain pleasure from clitoral stimulation, have large clits or experience swelling of the clitoris (i.e. female erection) when aroused are actually in possession of an "undeveloped penis" and therefore intersex.

He's either trolling or the single dumbest person on the planet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 02, 2014, 10:31:35 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 02, 2014, 06:16:43 am
According to him, women (and presumably trans men) who gain pleasure from clitoral stimulation, have large clits or experience swelling of the clitoris (i.e. female erection) when aroused are actually in possession of an "undeveloped penis" and therefore intersex.

He's either trolling or the single dumbest person on the planet.

That's not true, there will always be Mr. Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn^n.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 02, 2014, 01:47:08 pm
Quote from: Commander Shepard on January 02, 2014, 04:06:35 am
My response was something like this: "Asexuals masturbate too" which they do.
Oh yes indeed they (we) do.
Not having a sexual preference or attraction towards anybody doesn't mean one lacks the urge to experience the rush of endorphins an orgasm gives. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 02, 2014, 03:22:18 pm
Forgive this stupidly redundant statement, but... pleasure feels good.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 02, 2014, 04:12:10 pm
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Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 02, 2014, 06:16:43 am
According to him, women (and presumably trans men) who gain pleasure from clitoral stimulation, have large clits or experience swelling of the clitoris (i.e. female erection) when aroused are actually in possession of an "undeveloped penis" and therefore intersex.

He's either trolling or the single dumbest person on the planet.

That's not how that works. While some transmen will call their clit their penis, that doesn't mean it's an 'undeveloped penis'. If you want to believe that then cismen have overdeveloped clits. :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 02, 2014, 04:48:29 pm
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Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 02, 2014, 06:16:43 am
According to him, women (and presumably trans men) who gain pleasure from clitoral stimulation, have large clits or experience swelling of the clitoris (i.e. female erection) when aroused are actually in possession of an "undeveloped penis" and therefore intersex.

He's either trolling or the single dumbest person on the planet.

That's not how that works. While some transmen will call their clit their penis, that doesn't mean it's an 'undeveloped penis'. If you want to believe that then cismen have overdeveloped clits. :P

Well... since fetuses are all female by default until a certain point in gestation... you could say they do. :p
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 02, 2014, 05:14:35 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on January 02, 2014, 12:58:58 am
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"Masturbation is something that we all do and it hurts no one so it is not wrong. It is natural and beautiful."

I’m going to fucking stab someone. There’s nothing beautiful about being a selfish slut and no, not everyone does it. Fuck you and your sex normative bullshit.

I can't get a handle on this guy's tumblr (http://cynically--colorblind.tumblr.com/) to determine whether this is a fake or not.  He claims to be 18 and an emo.

They're also claiming that they're going to commit suicide.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 02, 2014, 05:24:58 pm
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Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 02, 2014, 06:16:43 am
According to him, women (and presumably trans men) who gain pleasure from clitoral stimulation, have large clits or experience swelling of the clitoris (i.e. female erection) when aroused are actually in possession of an "undeveloped penis" and therefore intersex.

He's either trolling or the single dumbest person on the planet.

That's not how that works. While some transmen will call their clit their penis, that doesn't mean it's an 'undeveloped penis'. If you want to believe that then cismen have overdeveloped clits. :P

Well... since fetuses are all female by default until a certain point in gestation... you could say they do. :p

Exactly. =P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 02, 2014, 06:41:48 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on January 02, 2014, 07:39:24 pm
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Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 02, 2014, 06:16:43 am
According to him, women (and presumably trans men) who gain pleasure from clitoral stimulation, have large clits or experience swelling of the clitoris (i.e. female erection) when aroused are actually in possession of an "undeveloped penis" and therefore intersex.

He's either trolling or the single dumbest person on the planet.

That's not how that works. While some transmen will call their clit their penis, that doesn't mean it's an 'undeveloped penis'. If you want to believe that then cismen have overdeveloped clits. :P

Well... since fetuses are all female by default until a certain point in gestation... you could say they do. :p

Exactly. =P

I thought that sexual pleasure was pretty much the clitoris's only purpose, so I don't really understand how they have come to this conclusion at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 02, 2014, 11:12:04 pm
Here's something that's topic appropriate:

Femen protesters disrupt runway show with topless protest, assaults one model.
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Saker, 18, told the Liverpool Echo that she heard screaming as she walked down the catwalk.

“The next thing I just see half-naked women with black marker pen scrawled across their bare chests and that’s when she came at me….As she grabbed my arm she lifted my skirt exposing me – I pulled my arm back with such force that I landed a punch square on her nose,” Saker told the Echo.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/27/model-hollie-may-saker-furious-after-topless-protesters-ruin-paris-fashion-week-show/


Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 03, 2014, 12:28:13 am
Dear goddess...

Quote from: thejebusfire on January 02, 2014, 11:12:04 pm
Here's something that's topic appropriate:

Femen protesters disrupt runway show with topless protest, assaults one model.
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Saker, 18, told the Liverpool Echo that she heard screaming as she walked down the catwalk.

“The next thing I just see half-naked women with black marker pen scrawled across their bare chests and that’s when she came at me….As she grabbed my arm she lifted my skirt exposing me – I pulled my arm back with such force that I landed a punch square on her nose,” Saker told the Echo.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/27/model-hollie-may-saker-furious-after-topless-protesters-ruin-paris-fashion-week-show/




I would've punched her, too. What the fuck man? That could just about fall under sexual assault.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 03, 2014, 12:48:40 am
Okay guys I think that's enough >_>
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 03, 2014, 01:08:21 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on January 03, 2014, 12:48:40 am
Okay guys I think that's enough >_>
Yes.  What he said.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 03, 2014, 01:49:20 am
Quote from: Commander Shepard on January 03, 2014, 12:28:13 am
Dear goddess...

Quote from: thejebusfire on January 02, 2014, 11:12:04 pm
Here's something that's topic appropriate:

Femen protesters disrupt runway show with topless protest, assaults one model.
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Saker, 18, told the Liverpool Echo that she heard screaming as she walked down the catwalk.

“The next thing I just see half-naked women with black marker pen scrawled across their bare chests and that’s when she came at me….As she grabbed my arm she lifted my skirt exposing me – I pulled my arm back with such force that I landed a punch square on her nose,” Saker told the Echo.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/27/model-hollie-may-saker-furious-after-topless-protesters-ruin-paris-fashion-week-show/




I would've punched her, too. What the fuck man? That could just about fall under sexual assault.

Sexual assault AND just plain assault, both at the same time. I'd have knocked that chick flat if she started tugging at my pants.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on January 03, 2014, 11:56:33 am
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on January 03, 2014, 11:58:15 am
Quote from: Commander Shepard on January 03, 2014, 12:28:13 am
Dear goddess...

Quote from: thejebusfire on January 02, 2014, 11:12:04 pm
Here's something that's topic appropriate:

Femen protesters disrupt runway show with topless protest, assaults one model.
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Saker, 18, told the Liverpool Echo that she heard screaming as she walked down the catwalk.

“The next thing I just see half-naked women with black marker pen scrawled across their bare chests and that’s when she came at me….As she grabbed my arm she lifted my skirt exposing me – I pulled my arm back with such force that I landed a punch square on her nose,” Saker told the Echo.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/27/model-hollie-may-saker-furious-after-topless-protesters-ruin-paris-fashion-week-show/




I would've punched her, too. What the fuck man? That could just about fall under sexual assault.

I saw photos of it from when it first happened. Exactly how can you sexually assault another woman and claim yourself a feminist?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on January 03, 2014, 12:13:08 pm
Quote from: Wrightway on January 03, 2014, 11:58:15 am
I saw photos of it from when it first happened. Exactly how can you sexually assault another woman and claim yourself a feminist?
And (I'm the first one to say that nudity is not necessarily sexual, but...) how can you call the models whores and tell them to get to a brothel when you're running around far more exposed than they are?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 03, 2014, 01:51:19 pm
Because people have an extremely poor grasp on what the word "irony" means, and how it applies to them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 03, 2014, 03:18:24 pm
Amazing what living in your own little bubble world does to a person's brain.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: largeham on January 03, 2014, 06:34:54 pm
Because Femen is shit. Wasn't it them who posed topless/naked under a burqa?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 03, 2014, 09:31:38 pm
Most likely. Their entire agenda consists of screaming at people while topless.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 03, 2014, 10:41:41 pm
Quote from: JohnE on January 03, 2014, 12:13:08 pm
Quote from: Wrightway on January 03, 2014, 11:58:15 am
I saw photos of it from when it first happened. Exactly how can you sexually assault another woman and claim yourself a feminist?
And (I'm the first one to say that nudity is not necessarily sexual, but...) how can you call the models whores and tell them to get to a brothel when you're running around far more exposed than they are?

It actually said "Model don't go to brothel", presumably due to whoever wrote it not speaking fluent English. I can't really decipher exactly what it was supposed to say, but it seems to be a general "We're not your decorations/whores!" message.

Ironically, the news report I saw the video on (which pretty clearly shows that the model didn't punch anyone, she merely jerked her arm away and accidentally hit the protestor in the process) spent just as much time commenting on the protestors' "great abs" and "killer bodies" as they did reporting on what happened.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 03, 2014, 11:36:48 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/91ae60be589615ac52275e3f4262636d/tumblr_myus7qVELo1s5z3gyo1_1280.png)

Notice how they only care for lesbophobia and homophobia in general.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 04, 2014, 04:04:10 am
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Notice how they only care for lesbophobia and homophobia in general.

Interesting how all the SJW's are a big fan of Bubblegum Collectables, who last time I checked is a straight, white, cis-man.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 04, 2014, 04:06:25 am
Bubblegum Collecta...?

Oh, Benedict Cumberbatch.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 04, 2014, 04:45:29 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on January 04, 2014, 04:06:25 am
Bubblegum Collecta...?

Oh, Benedict Cumberbatch.

Benedict Cumberbatch? don't you mean Bumblebee Cheddarcheese?

Also, it's not from Tumblr, but this guy thinks meat eating and pedophilia are basically the same (http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jan/03/morrissey-eating-meat-paedophilia-smiths)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on January 04, 2014, 05:57:53 am
Jesus christ hes a bit angry
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 04, 2014, 06:15:18 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on January 04, 2014, 05:57:53 am
Jesus christ hes a bit angrt

The world isn't exactly like one single, inconsequential person wants it to be - he has every right to be angry.

(Sarcasm)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 04, 2014, 06:23:36 am
Eh, he's a washed up celebrity. How else is he going to sell copies of his book, if not by spouting outrageously idiotic opinions just to get everyone morbidly curious? Guy's got to make a living somehow, and the only way for a has-been like him is trainwreck syndrome.

Then again, I could possibly be giving him too much credit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on January 04, 2014, 10:13:45 am
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"Imagine, for example, if you were in a nightclub and someone said to you: 'Hello, I enjoy bloodshed, throat-slitting and the destruction of life'

I so want to do that now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 04, 2014, 11:28:11 am
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As for Benedict Cumberbatch...

Well...

He's said some problematic shit beyond the meat eater stuff. But if people want to like him that's fine. So long as they're very much aware how much of an asswipe he is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 04, 2014, 12:20:15 pm
I don't think I even know who Benedict Cumberwhatsit is.  I think I feel luckier for that fact.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on January 04, 2014, 02:40:38 pm
Quote from: the Doctor on January 04, 2014, 12:20:15 pm
I don't think I even know who Benedict Cumberwhatsit is.  I think I feel luckier for that fact.

He is Smaug, Sherlock, and the villain of the latest Star Trek. approximately  all the hetero women love him, and a good portion of the hetero guys.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 04, 2014, 03:11:38 pm
Quote from: Commander Shepard on January 04, 2014, 11:28:11 am
As for Benedict Cumberbatch...

Well...

He's said some problematic shit beyond the meat eater stuff. But if people want to like him that's fine. So long as they're very much aware how much of an asswipe he is.

Wait, I thought it was Morrissey who said that about the meat eater stuff

Quote from: lord gibbon on January 04, 2014, 02:40:38 pm
Quote from: the Doctor on January 04, 2014, 12:20:15 pm
I don't think I even know who Benedict Cumberwhatsit is.  I think I feel luckier for that fact.

He is Smaug, Sherlock, and the villain of the latest Star Trek. approximately  all the hetero women love him, and a good portion of the hetero guys.

My closest guess is that it's because he's the Morgan Freeman of British Accents.

Also...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPpYDHQVp9c
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 04, 2014, 03:33:10 pm
Ah.  That's who he is.  Can't say I really care that much.   Never watched Sherlock.  Smaug is a cool-looking dragon, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 04, 2014, 06:02:38 pm
I don't find Cumberbatch very physically attractive, but he does have a sexy voice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on January 04, 2014, 06:10:03 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 04, 2014, 06:02:38 pm
I don't find Cumberbatch very physically attractive, but he does have a sexy voice.

I thought he was a good Smaug.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 04, 2014, 06:43:58 pm
I like his acting as well. He's a good Smaug I also like his Sherlock.

I think it's kind of funny how Tumblr SJ types love Cumberbatch despite his history of saying "problematic" things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 04, 2014, 07:04:11 pm
Quote from: Commander Shepard on January 04, 2014, 11:28:11 am
He's said some problematic shit beyond the meat eater stuff. But if people want to like him that's fine. So long as they're very much aware how much of an asswipe he is.

As a the saying goes, it's fine if you like problematic things as long as you understand why it's problematic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 04, 2014, 08:37:10 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on January 04, 2014, 02:40:38 pm
Quote from: the Doctor on January 04, 2014, 12:20:15 pm
I don't think I even know who Benedict Cumberwhatsit is.  I think I feel luckier for that fact.

He is Smaug, Sherlock, and the villain of the latest Star Trek. approximately  all the hetero women love him, and a good portion of the hetero guys.

He was also the narrator of the recent documentary film on Stephen Hawking.

On the subject of "problematic" stuff, I can't find it. I can confirm that if he's ever said anything bad about meat eating, the quote cannot be found by a simple Google search.

Edit: There's a page here (http://yourfaveisproblematic.tumblr.com/post/45876576182/benedict-cumberbatch) detailing the supposedly "problematic" shit. A lot of it is a bad stretch to call it "problematic", like him saying “I know I’m no technical expert but I do love trying to sort of dance with the camera. And he knows I’m a tart for it”. That's not even SLIGHTLY problematic.

I'm also really starting to dislike use of the term "problematic" the more I have to say it in one post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 04, 2014, 11:07:33 pm
Some of those are pretty ignorant, but a lot of them seemed to be taken out of context (like his comment towards Johnny Lee Miller).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 04, 2014, 11:23:32 pm
And he had a pretty damn good point about the 2011 London rioters: claiming that it's about socio-economic and political reform when they're really just smashing and robbing innocent people's shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 05, 2014, 01:23:39 am
The only thing in Chitoryu12s link that I could consider "problematic" was this: (About the Victoria Era) "Everyone was held in their place, but what was honourable about it was that there was a duty of care from the top down."

Much like the poster comments, that could be seen as defense of the white man's burden mentality. Though judging from the first part of that sentence, he does not support keeping people as lower class citizens. So basically he is saying that the rich and powerful feeling that it is their duty to help the poor and weak is good... So from that point of view it's not so bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 05, 2014, 01:29:40 am
I'm so used to ignoring Sherlock-related posts on Tumblr that my brain automatically skims over anything that mentions Britishguy Funnyname.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 05, 2014, 01:40:47 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on January 04, 2014, 04:45:29 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on January 04, 2014, 04:06:25 am
Bubblegum Collecta...?

Oh, Benedict Cumberbatch.

Benedict Cumberbatch? don't you mean Bumblebee Cheddarcheese?

Also, it's not from Tumblr, but this guy thinks meat eating and pedophilia are basically the same (http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jan/03/morrissey-eating-meat-paedophilia-smiths)
Mmmmmm, delicious genocide!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 05, 2014, 03:04:44 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on January 04, 2014, 04:45:29 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on January 04, 2014, 04:06:25 am
Bubblegum Collecta...?

Oh, Benedict Cumberbatch.

Benedict Cumberbatch? don't you mean Bumblebee Cheddarcheese?

Also, it's not from Tumblr, but this guy thinks meat eating and pedophilia are basically the same (http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jan/03/morrissey-eating-meat-paedophilia-smiths)

Not to mention the people in comments trying to support him.

The treatment of animals is deplorable but I think what militant vegans need to understand that rape and mass murder cannot be compared to eating meat because it dehumanizes victims of rape and mass murder.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 05, 2014, 10:13:24 am
That's the inherent problem in militant veganism, however, they honestly don't see any value in human life.  They exalt all other animals above humans, while screaming for "animal equality."  Let's not forget how they completely ignore numerous scientific facts, like the fact the human mouth is the way it is because we were meant to consume both meat and vegetable matter, because clearly, science and effing reason are part of yet another bloody conspiracy or some shit.

You know what?  Militant vegans are fucking conspiracy theorists.  There's almost zero difference.  They even have their own domestic terrorist organizations.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 05, 2014, 12:26:42 pm
Quote from: askold on January 05, 2014, 01:23:39 am
The only thing in Chitoryu12s link that I could consider "problematic" was this: (About the Victoria Era) "Everyone was held in their place, but what was honourable about it was that there was a duty of care from the top down."

Much like the poster comments, that could be seen as defense of the white man's burden mentality. Though judging from the first part of that sentence, he does not support keeping people as lower class citizens. So basically he is saying that the rich and powerful feeling that it is their duty to help the poor and weak is good... So from that point of view it's not so bad.

He also acknowledged in his quote about the London Riots that, specifically because he's from a very privileged background, he knows that most people he's criticizing would simply ignore him altogether because "no rich boy could ever know what it's like!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 05, 2014, 12:48:21 pm
(http://media.tumblr.com/1d45d52be623b7ac3932f71862004685/tumblr_inline_mxewz7ddeB1sotwzx.png)

"I'm into people of all ages..."

Hopefully those are all ages over the age of consent.

(http://media.tumblr.com/e50f60635778ee4703884e7152b0a31a/tumblr_inline_mxek762xZN1sotwzx.png)

Ladies he's single!

But seriously, what is "dual gendered?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 05, 2014, 12:55:00 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 05, 2014, 12:48:21 pm

But seriously, what is "dual gendered?"

Hermaphrodite?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 05, 2014, 01:11:52 pm
Itinerant cyclist?  Activist?

Oh! A bum on a bike that likes to start trouble and annoy people.




Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on January 05, 2014, 03:04:56 pm
Dual gendered means one identifies as aspects of both genders, or will occasionally "flip" gender and expression at any given time, depending upon which gender they feel most comfortable with at the time. If we accept gender as a spectrum, and as fluid, then this is a possibility: just as being agendered or genderqueer would be.

It's also recognized by the American Pyschological Association (http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/transgender.pdf) as a subset falling under the "transgender" umbrella.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 05, 2014, 03:09:07 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on January 05, 2014, 03:04:56 pm
Dual gendered means one identifies as aspects of both genders, or will occasionally "flip" gender and expression at any given time, depending upon which gender they feel most comfortable with at the time. If we accept gender as a spectrum, and as fluid, then this is a possibility: just as being agendered or genderqueer would be.

It's also recognized by the American Pyschological Association (http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/transgender.pdf) as a subset falling under the "transgender" umbrella.
Huh, that's interesting. What do you reckon the chances of this guy actually knowing that vs saying it because he thinks it'll make him look deep/open-minded/persecuted?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on January 05, 2014, 03:28:02 pm
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on January 05, 2014, 03:09:07 pm
Quote from: QueenofHearts on January 05, 2014, 03:04:56 pm
Dual gendered means one identifies as aspects of both genders, or will occasionally "flip" gender and expression at any given time, depending upon which gender they feel most comfortable with at the time. If we accept gender as a spectrum, and as fluid, then this is a possibility: just as being agendered or genderqueer would be.

It's also recognized by the American Pyschological Association (http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/transgender.pdf) as a subset falling under the "transgender" umbrella.
Huh, that's interesting. What do you reckon the chances of this guy actually knowing that vs saying it because he thinks it'll make him look deep/open-minded/persecuted?

Even so, that isn't something one should question, lest we tacitly allow others to question whether we identify. Saying "this person is clearly faking it" allows others to say "Queen really isn't trans, it's transitioning for attention" or "that person isn't trans, they've been doing nothing to change for years" (ignoring that transitioning isn't easy or cheap).

It's one thing to have doubts as to whether someone identifies as they say or if they're doing it for attention. It's another to voice those doubts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Illusive Man on January 06, 2014, 06:41:20 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 05, 2014, 12:48:21 pm
(http://media.tumblr.com/1d45d52be623b7ac3932f71862004685/tumblr_inline_mxewz7ddeB1sotwzx.png)

"I'm into people of all ages..."

Hopefully those are all ages over the age of consent.
Wishfull thinking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 06, 2014, 06:53:21 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/E7PgSyO.jpg)

First off:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Jt2fYxj0pSg/TmjdkcGhj9I/AAAAAAAAAM8/ELJKt7hJBVs/s1600/imgPrincessCharacter2010.gif)

Second off, Disney has never had a Russian princess.

(http://i.imgur.com/zISpaSP.jpg)

They would have to be at least eight feet tall.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on January 06, 2014, 06:58:43 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 06, 2014, 06:53:21 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/E7PgSyO.jpg)

First off:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Jt2fYxj0pSg/TmjdkcGhj9I/AAAAAAAAAM8/ELJKt7hJBVs/s1600/imgPrincessCharacter2010.gif)

Second off, Disney has never had a Russian princess.

Do they thin Anastasia was Disney?  Also, isn't Mulan one of the more popular princesses, and therefore featured in a lot of Disney Princess merchandise?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on January 06, 2014, 07:09:27 pm
Not only is she popular (my little sisters adore her) She also kicks tons of ass. If I were a girl, I'd rather have a kickass warrior than a damsel in distress.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 06, 2014, 07:35:17 pm
I've seen something like this brought up before. As with last time, I can give a unique viewpoint regarding merchandise, as I live close to Walt Disney World (and several Disney stores in places like malls and the airport) and so I get to see the current merchandising situation dozens of times a year.

All of those princesses are mostly equal in their popularity if you go by store shelf space, except for Jasmine (she's actually a bit uncommon) and Pocahontas (since her movie didn't do as well as all the others). There's also Merida from Brave, and Elsa and Anna from Frozen are very rapidly appearing; there's even a rumor that the Maelstrom ride at Epcot's Norway pavilion will be remade into a Frozen attraction. I wouldn't complain.

What you can also look at is the appearances of actresses as the different characters in the parks. Belle, Snow White, Ariel, Cinderella, and Sleeping Beauty are the most popular (though this is likely a grandfather clause kind of thing keeping all of them so visible), with Elsa and Anna, again, making a prominent and nearly permanent appearance in the Norway pavilion. Jasmine and Aladdin show up regularly at the Morocco pavilion, and you can reliably find them there. Merida is still rare, and Mulan is uncommonly seen at the China pavilion. Pocahontas is almost never seen, again likely due to the movie being a bit less popular than all the others. Tiana is occasionally seen at the Magic Kingdom, near Liberty Square.

However, this isn't really due to intentional racism as much as it is actress availability. Disney has very exacting standards regarding appearance, including height, for every single one of their face characters. Belle, Snow White, Ariel, Cinderella, and Sleeping Beauty are all the easiest to cast because Florida is pretty much overflowing with Caucasian female actresses. Jasmine and Aladdin are usually just olive-skinned Caucasians, and most people don't notice the difference unless they're eyeing skin color of all the actors to judge them. But for ethnic characters, you need actresses who are at least close to the right ethnicity (most normal people wouldn't complain if a Japanese woman was cast as Mulan) AND look the part. Florida is predominately white, followed by Hispanic and black. If you're wanting to cast a Mulan, you've got less than 2.1% of the population who MIGHT look the part and are the right height and have the acting talent (people always forget about acting talent; someone who looks like a clone of Pocahontas is useless if she can't actually do the job).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 06, 2014, 11:48:15 pm
Related to the Disney princess discussion:
https://www.riemurasia.net/kuva/Disneyn-Prinsessat/135375
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 07, 2014, 12:45:37 am
Quote from: askold on January 06, 2014, 11:48:15 pm
Related to the Disney princess discussion:
https://www.riemurasia.net/kuva/Disneyn-Prinsessat/135375

I reblogged that once after it had already gotten a response. Just like in the link, that person said that Brave took place in Ireland.

It's Scotland, guys. Just because someone has red hair doesn't mean that they're Irish. Or did the kilts and Highland Games not clue you in enough?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on January 07, 2014, 03:10:49 am
Since we're talking about Disney Princesses again (Anastasia is NOT Disney, it's the late Fox Animation Studios), let me take the opportunity to apologize for that one post involving Elsa (yes, I got the name right, thank you Chi for correcting me that one post) as an POC and me considering such as "illogical" (considering the setting) and making such an unintentionally racist post on this forum where I every other time know better than that.

Once more, there has been POC Disney Princesses over the ages, but most of them are also unintentionally racist, especially Pocahontas.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 07, 2014, 04:42:51 am
It's been a long time since I've seen Pocahontas, so forgive my ignorance:  How is it racist?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 07, 2014, 04:46:12 am
More importantly, why the hell has that obnoxious little titbit of Tumblr Social Justice Warrior speak that is "People of Colour" somehow caught on around here?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 07, 2014, 05:02:59 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 07, 2014, 04:46:12 am
More importantly, why the hell has that obnoxious little titbit of Tumblr Social Justice Warrior speak that is "People of Colour" somehow caught on around here?
It's an inclusive term for anyone who's not white.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 07, 2014, 05:15:08 am
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on January 07, 2014, 05:02:59 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 07, 2014, 04:46:12 am
More importantly, why the hell has that obnoxious little titbit of Tumblr Social Justice Warrior speak that is "People of Colour" somehow caught on around here?
It's an inclusive term for anyone who's not white.
I know full well what it means. However, it's not only overly flowery and rather redundant, since you can just say "not white", but it's also quite silly, considering that there are plenty of non-whites around who're just as pale, if not more so, than most Europeans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on January 07, 2014, 06:09:44 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 07, 2014, 05:15:08 am
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on January 07, 2014, 05:02:59 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 07, 2014, 04:46:12 am
More importantly, why the hell has that obnoxious little titbit of Tumblr Social Justice Warrior speak that is "People of Colour" somehow caught on around here?
It's an inclusive term for anyone who's not white.
I know full well what it means. However, it's not only overly flowery and rather redundant, since you can just say "not white", but it's also quite silly, considering that there are plenty of non-whites around who're just as pale, if not more so, than most Europeans.

Reminded of a tumblr rant I saw where someone ranted about Americans trying to apply American racial politics: white vs non-white, to the rest of the world, where things are much more complex. Eg: how to apply 'white' in Europe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on January 07, 2014, 06:57:19 am
Quote from: starseeker on January 07, 2014, 06:09:44 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 07, 2014, 05:15:08 am
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on January 07, 2014, 05:02:59 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 07, 2014, 04:46:12 am
More importantly, why the hell has that obnoxious little titbit of Tumblr Social Justice Warrior speak that is "People of Colour" somehow caught on around here?
It's an inclusive term for anyone who's not white.
I know full well what it means. However, it's not only overly flowery and rather redundant, since you can just say "not white", but it's also quite silly, considering that there are plenty of non-whites around who're just as pale, if not more so, than most Europeans.
Reminded of a tumblr rant I saw where someone ranted about Americans trying to apply American racial politics: white vs non-white, to the rest of the world, where things are much more complex. Eg: how to apply 'white' in Europe.
Plus, PoC feeds the "us vs them" mentality, so... not a good thing. And while it may be inclusive, it also lumps together litterally hundreds of racial backgrounds and cultures, basically saying "you're not white, and that's the only thing that matters! Who cares if you're an inuit, or an australian aboriginal, or a métisse from La Réunion? What matters the most is that you're not one of the white ones!"

So... yeah. A problematic term, to say the least. Perhaps not as much in the US, I don't know, but outside of it, it feels a bit like we're approaching racism from the other side, if you get my meaning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on January 07, 2014, 07:11:14 am
I dont really like the term PoC because it sounds like a euphemism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 07, 2014, 09:10:00 am
"Person of Colour" is considered borderline racist where I live. Using it here would get you some odd looks, at best.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 07, 2014, 09:28:47 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 07, 2014, 12:45:37 am
Quote from: askold on January 06, 2014, 11:48:15 pm
Related to the Disney princess discussion:
https://www.riemurasia.net/kuva/Disneyn-Prinsessat/135375

I reblogged that once after it had already gotten a response. Just like in the link, that person said that Brave took place in Ireland.

It's Scotland, guys. Just because someone has red hair doesn't mean that they're Irish. Or did the kilts and Highland Games not clue you in enough?

Scotland has more redheads than Ireland anyway, if I remember correctly.

Scottish-Irish confusion is annyingly common, especially amongst Americans it seems (sorry to our American board members).  Particularly when it comes to accents.  I suppose to be fair the north of Ireland has a lot of people of Scottish origin, so there will be some similarites here and there with people from that part (hence why Northern Irish accents are so different to Southern ones, and why some Irish-Americans have suspiciously Scottish sounding surnames), but they are still very distinct accents.  I bet even some of you have no idea one of the dwarves in the Hobbit movies is Irish (Northern Irish specifically) and that the actor is talking in his normal accent.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 07, 2014, 09:34:03 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 07, 2014, 09:10:00 am
"Person of Colour" is considered borderline racist where I live. Using it here would get you some odd looks, at best.

Yeah I'm not sure how it's any more PC than "coloured", which seems to be considered racist by most people as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 07, 2014, 09:47:19 am
Quote from: starseeker on January 07, 2014, 06:09:44 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 07, 2014, 05:15:08 am
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on January 07, 2014, 05:02:59 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 07, 2014, 04:46:12 am
More importantly, why the hell has that obnoxious little titbit of Tumblr Social Justice Warrior speak that is "People of Colour" somehow caught on around here?
It's an inclusive term for anyone who's not white.
I know full well what it means. However, it's not only overly flowery and rather redundant, since you can just say "not white", but it's also quite silly, considering that there are plenty of non-whites around who're just as pale, if not more so, than most Europeans.

Reminded of a tumblr rant I saw where someone ranted about Americans trying to apply American racial politics: white vs non-white, to the rest of the world, where things are much more complex. Eg: how to apply 'white' in Europe.
Now that you mention it, the vast majority of people who use "people of colour" are American. I'm surprised I never noticed that before.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on January 07, 2014, 09:49:55 am
It's been my experience that PoC is used by the same white cis people who will bitch at you if you don't put an asterisk after "trans". It makes them feel like special snowflakes to absolve their white, cis tumblr-guilt in this manner instead of, you know, doing actual helpful things for other communities.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on January 07, 2014, 10:09:06 am
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erasingprivilege

Why I am not pro gay marriage

I have come under criticism lately for mentioning that I am not in favor of gay marriage.  As a homoromantic demisexual, in theory I am part of the LGBTQIA+ community and thus should be in favor of this, but I’m not.  Here’s why:

Marriage is a sexist institution and is the first form of slavery to have ever existed.  Even a marriage between two men or two women is oppressive to women.  Since I am all for intersectionality, I can’t be in support of anything that helps one group while harming another.

I do think that people who are not in heteronormative relationships should have all the same freedoms that straight people get, but I don’t think ANYONE should be allowed to marry.  If you give women a ‘choice’ to do something that is inherently unfeminist, most women will take that choice because they have been brainwashed.  This is why PiV sex, certain types of birthing and marriage should be outlawed.  Women take these choices not because they really want them but because they have been indoctrinated into unnatural heterosexuality from such an early age that they don’t even know right from wrong anymore.

I think that people should have the option to sign civil partnership documents that allow them all the same rights that marriage allows- gay or straight or what have you.  But “gay marriage” is an extremely homosexist and cissexist thing and I can’t support it.  #notsorry

I also think that Obama’s focusing on gay marriage is explicitly a cover-up to hide his transphobia, misogyny and internalized racism (He chose a fucking cishet white man as his VP and presumably created his kids through PiV, come on Obama wtf). 

Obama has used gay marriage as a vehicle with which to distract us from his shortcomings in regards to intersectionality.  For this reason I will never be in support of it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on January 07, 2014, 10:17:16 am
How can a marriage between two men be in any way oppressive towards women?

Even if you agree that marriage is slavery, there are no women in that marriage to be enslaved.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 07, 2014, 10:21:15 am
Quote from: Wrightway on January 07, 2014, 10:09:06 am
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erasingprivilege

As a homoromantic demisexual...

...Even a marriage between two men or two women is oppressive to women....

...heteronormative relationships...

...I don’t think ANYONE should be allowed to marry.  If you give women a ‘choice’ to do something that is inherently unfeminist, most women will take that choice because they have been brainwashed.  This is why PiV sex, certain types of birthing and marriage should be outlawed.  Women take these choices not because they really want them but because they have been indoctrinated into unnatural heterosexuality from such an early age that they don’t even know right from wrong anymore.

I also think that Obama’s focusing on gay marriage is explicitly a cover-up to hide his transphobia, misogyny and internalized racism.... 

Bet this person is fun at parties.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on January 07, 2014, 10:25:47 am
Following the rabbit hole got me this one:

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1v9wcGMxJ1rr0u35o1_500.jpg)

"Because mislabeling people and telling them their identity isn't real is only okay if *I* do it" award?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 07, 2014, 10:28:29 am
Have to show my ignorance and ask, wtf is "cis"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on January 07, 2014, 10:31:36 am
The opposite of trans. Basically your sex and your gender match.


The rabbit hole is deep this morning:

Quote
erasingprivilege

You are problematic if...

    You are only attracted to your own race
    You are only attracted to a race other than your own
    You won’t date trans* people even if they are post-op
    You aren’t attracted to superfats (300 + lb)
    You think demisexuality “isn’t real”
    You won’t date a schizophrenic
    You only date cis-gendered people and won’t date those who identify as both or no gender.
    You identify as human and will not date otherkin
    You refuse to date those who are practicing Pagans and Witches.
    You only date those who are neurotypical.
    You specifically seek out trans* people, neuro atypical people or otherkin because you think we’re “exotic”

That is all.  You all suck.

Quote
To all White, Hetero, Male, Cis-gendered etc...

You are not allowed to have a voice.  You have had a “voice” for too damn long.

You aren’t my “ally”.  You are my oppressor.  Even agreeing with me is offensive and perhaps even triggering.

White people, go talk about white things.  Don’t get involved with my shit.  Same with hetero, male, whatever.  Do hetero male shit.  Don’t bug me.

Keep in mind that even if you stay away from issues of social justice you are STILL fucking triggering because you are DENYING major issues.

So basically, you are fucked.  How does it feel?

And answering this.

Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on January 07, 2014, 10:17:16 am
How can a marriage between two men be in any way oppressive towards women?

Even if you agree that marriage is slavery, there are no women in that marriage to be enslaved.

Because then you've given the men patriarchal privilege because they can have something the women can't have, since no woman ever should be involved in a marriage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 07, 2014, 10:39:39 am
Quote from: The Doctor on January 07, 2014, 04:42:51 am
It's been a long time since I've seen Pocahontas, so forgive my ignorance:  How is it racist?

I don't know about racism, but it heavily whitewashes actual colonial history into a family-friendly musical where one lone holier-than-thou native girl keeps the colonists and her tribe from going to war (when in reality the colonists led a 200+ year campaign to take as much land from the natives as possible, engaging in actions that were downright genocidal) with the power of love.

As a more minor historical quibble, it also depicts Pocahontas as being at least in her 20s and John Smith as her romantic interest. In reality, John Smith was 27 when he landed and Pocahontas would have been 10. When she was a teenager, she was married off to John Rolfe (who claimed that he wanted to teach her Christianity, but probably enjoyed having a young teenage girl who didn't speak much English) and spent maybe a decade living as an object of curiosity in England before dying of tuberculosis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 07, 2014, 10:39:54 am
Quote from: Wrightway on January 07, 2014, 10:31:36 am
The opposite of trans. Basically your sex and your gender match.


The rabbit hole is deep this morning:

Quote
erasingprivilege

You are problematic if...

    You are only attracted to your own race
    You are only attracted to a race other than your own
    You won’t date trans* people even if they are post-op
    You aren’t attracted to superfats (300 + lb)
    You think demisexuality “isn’t real”
    You won’t date a schizophrenic
    You only date cis-gendered people and won’t date those who identify as both or no gender.
    You identify as human and will not date otherkin
    You refuse to date those who are practicing Pagans and Witches.
    You only date those who are neurotypical.
    You specifically seek out trans* people, neuro atypical people or otherkin because you think we’re “exotic”

So saying people are horrible human beings for no other reason than who they love?  How does this perosn think they're any bteer than homophobes?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 07, 2014, 10:41:41 am
Only just noticed this bit:

Quote from: Wrightway on January 07, 2014, 10:31:36 am
The opposite of trans. Basically your sex and your gender match.


The rabbit hole is deep this morning:

Quote
erasingprivilege

You are problematic if...

You identify as human and will not date otherkin

What in the name of fuck?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on January 07, 2014, 10:50:28 am
Otherkin are people who believe they are a different species born into the wrong body. We have a few of them on the board, or at least we had. One was a wolf? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/48455bd1ec707b2a6098ddf44b2c25d0/tumblr_mqeua12izk1s1bilro1_500.png)

I'd give them their argument if it weren't for the fact most pride events are public events held by the city.

Quote
cynically—colorblind:

    "Masturbation is something that we all do and it hurts no one so it is not wrong. It is natural and beautiful."

    I’m going to fucking stab someone. There’s nothing beautiful about being a selfish slut and no, not everyone does it. Fuck you and your sex normative bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 07, 2014, 10:55:42 am
Quote from: Wrightway on January 07, 2014, 10:50:28 am
Otherkin are people who believe they are a different species born into the wrong body. We have a few of them on the board, or at least we had. One was a wolf? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't want to be a prick, and I know homosexuality was baffingly thought of as a mental illness until recently, but that sounds to me like a pyschological condition like lycanthropy or something.

As long as they ain't hurting anyone or themselves then "whatever", I guess.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 07, 2014, 11:06:55 am
Quote from: Wrightway on January 07, 2014, 10:50:28 am
Quote
cynically—colorblind:

    "Masturbation is something that we all do and it hurts no one so it is not wrong. It is natural and beautiful."

    I’m going to fucking stab someone. There’s nothing beautiful about being a selfish slut and no, not everyone does it. Fuck you and your sex normative bullshit.

Déjà vu...

I have a response to the other quote but I need to be off my phone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 07, 2014, 12:40:07 pm
Quote from: Wrightway on January 07, 2014, 10:50:28 am
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/48455bd1ec707b2a6098ddf44b2c25d0/tumblr_mqeua12izk1s1bilro1_500.png)

The original prides were more akin to protests and were not city condoned, but they were public and straight people were there. He makes a valid point in that straight folks shouldn't invade safe closed spaces, because there are already plenty of spaces for straight people to voice their support of the LGBT community. Again to invoke Malcolm X, allies should seek to include us in spaces where they have dominance, not try to barge into our space. That said, modern prides are open and public spaces and plenty of queer folks go just for fun too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on January 07, 2014, 01:12:52 pm
So someone else's mere existence is triggering?

Why do SJW types think it's okay to treat entire groups of people like dirt? The hypocrisy is astounding.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on January 07, 2014, 02:03:14 pm
Quote from: Wrightway on January 07, 2014, 09:49:55 am
It's been my experience that PoC is used by the same white cis people who will bitch at you if you don't put an asterisk after "trans". It makes them feel like special snowflakes to absolve their white, cis tumblr-guilt in this manner instead of, you know, doing actual helpful things for other communities.

Finally, someone who sees how meaningless the asterisk is. There is a reason I lampoon it, because it's far more harmful than helpful. The only two reasons I've heard for the asterisk are pathetic: (1) "we put the star on 'trans' to draw attention to ourselves and our struggles", and (2) "it is (somehow) more inclusive." The first one was said by a transwoman I have little respect for. But the "inclusiveness" argument just irks me. We already have an umbrella term, "transgender." A person choosing to live as the other gender is a "transsexual" a person who displays quality of both are "bi-gendered." A person just enjoying to dress as the other gender on occasion is a "cross-dresser," a "transvestite," or a "drag-king/queen" (avoid transvestite though, has more negative connotations, but some prefer it). People who choose not to confine themselves to gender are "genderqueer" and people who choose to not play into gender at all are "agendered" or as some prefer "genderfuck."

So, we already have a term that has been around for 35 years that does what "trans*" seeks to do. But then what about the other implication, that it makes such terms as "trans" or "transgender" exclusive and discriminatory? The contrapositive to "'trans*' is more inclusive" is that "'Trans' is discriminatory." And that bothers me because now, you're taking a group who already has a shit ton of social problems and throwing a bigot on them just because they don't see the awesomeness of the asterisk. I seriously think it was made up by a troll who did not have our best interests in mind.

Finally, the only real difference I've seen in usage between "trans*" and "trans" is that people include the asterisk if they're not trying to look offensive. At most, it's placating, but does nothing to solve any problems.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 07, 2014, 06:42:04 pm
Quote from: Wrightway on January 07, 2014, 10:09:06 am
erasingprivilege

I do think that people who are not in heteronormative relationships should have all the same freedoms that straight people get, but I don’t think ANYONE should be allowed to marry. If you give women a ‘choice’ to do something that is inherently unfeminist, most women will take that choice because they have been brainwashed.  This is why PiV sex, certain types of birthing and marriage should be outlawed.  Women take these choices not because they really want them but because they have been indoctrinated into unnatural heterosexuality from such an early age that they don’t even know right from wrong anymore.


I know this is most likely a troll, but I've seen a few people argue this and honestly mean it.

I hate this argument. This argument is incredibly insulting to women. This argument is basically saying that if a woman chooses to be straight, have PIV sex, or become a housewife, she's too god damn stupid to know what's good for her and needs the almighty Tumblr fauximist to come set her right.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: largeham on January 07, 2014, 09:22:03 pm
Fuck I hate identity politics.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 07, 2014, 10:37:09 pm
So there's this cunt (http://hostilehottie.tumblr.com/post/72452040222/onemv-hostilehottie-onemv)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on January 07, 2014, 11:59:41 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 07, 2014, 06:42:04 pm
Quote from: Wrightway on January 07, 2014, 10:09:06 am
erasingprivilege

I do think that people who are not in heteronormative relationships should have all the same freedoms that straight people get, but I don’t think ANYONE should be allowed to marry. If you give women a ‘choice’ to do something that is inherently unfeminist, most women will take that choice because they have been brainwashed.  This is why PiV sex, certain types of birthing and marriage should be outlawed.  Women take these choices not because they really want them but because they have been indoctrinated into unnatural heterosexuality from such an early age that they don’t even know right from wrong anymore.


I know this is most likely a troll, but I've seen a few people argue this and honestly mean it.

I hate this argument. This argument is incredibly insulting to women. This argument is basically saying that if a woman chooses to be straight, have PIV sex, or become a housewife, she's too god damn stupid to know what's good for her and needs the almighty Tumblr fauximist to come set her right.
These people need to meed my mom. Housewife, black belt, willing and able to eloquently rip idiots a new one when they really ask for it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 08, 2014, 12:40:15 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on January 07, 2014, 10:37:09 pm
So there's this cunt (http://hostilehottie.tumblr.com/post/72452040222/onemv-hostilehottie-onemv)

On Tumblr, it's perfectly fine to joke about abuse... As long the one being abused was male.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Delirium on January 09, 2014, 07:58:57 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on January 07, 2014, 10:37:09 pm
So there's this cunt (http://hostilehottie.tumblr.com/post/72452040222/onemv-hostilehottie-onemv)

I remember this girl; she's massively transphobic.

This (http://vegan-because-fuck-you.tumblr.com) entire blog is a goldmine. This is why nobody likes vegans. Also, he looks like Rasputin if he had a Hot Topic phase.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 09, 2014, 08:01:20 pm
Quote from: Delirium on January 09, 2014, 07:58:57 pm
This (http://vegan-because-fuck-you.tumblr.com) entire blog is a goldmine. This is why nobody likes vegans. Also, he looks like Rasputin if he had a Hot Topic phase.
For a minute there, I thought it was the "vegan vagina" guy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 12, 2014, 01:06:56 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f5cd92238d136ebbbb033c717a25cdd4/tumblr_msmi4dNTUk1ryeto5o1_500.png)

"i forget a rule sometimes. It’s a combination of PTSD, Depression and Cognitive Dissonance"

embarrassing yourself is not comparable to PTSD. Oh my god!

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on January 12, 2014, 05:16:37 am
There's so much wrong with that I don't even know where to start.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: largeham on January 12, 2014, 07:20:34 am
Quote from: JohnE on January 12, 2014, 05:16:37 am
There's so much wrong with that I don't even know where to start.

That's because you have knowledge privilege. How many books have you read?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 12, 2014, 07:21:28 am
Quote from: largeham on January 12, 2014, 07:20:34 am
Quote from: JohnE on January 12, 2014, 05:16:37 am
There's so much wrong with that I don't even know where to start.

That's because you have knowledge privilege. How many books have you read?

Check your privilege-identifying privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 12, 2014, 07:26:02 am
Check your privilege-identifying-privilage privilege. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 12, 2014, 01:07:50 pm
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QzYbD8zq3E8/TaXHzNRmtSI/AAAAAAAABjA/6TRE2-dbdPY/s1600/jump%252Bshark.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 12, 2014, 01:58:57 pm
...

...Oh, now I get it.

*clap* *clap* *clap* Well played RavynousHunter. Well played.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 12, 2014, 06:48:27 pm
Is that person seriously comparing or attributing bad board games move to PTSD? Try being in a family with PTSD from a genocide or war The effects aren't "I forgot that the Bishop can only move diagonally". The effects are felt cross generations even among able-bodied neuro-typical people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on January 13, 2014, 01:17:08 am
They also seem to be equating PTSD with neuro-atypical conditions like autism, which is kinda like equating dwarfism with losing your legs in an industrial accident.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WarGoatHK417 on January 13, 2014, 04:30:02 am
Could anyone post something Sarkeesian-related?
Also, I freaking love this thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 13, 2014, 10:16:59 am
Quote from: WarGoatHK417 on January 13, 2014, 04:30:02 am
Could anyone post something Sarkeesian-related?

......why?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on January 13, 2014, 10:42:33 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/b547b1fc192555421cc1015e93f1e78f/tumblr_mz9matA9fP1ryeto5o1_500.png)

I love this reply to that image from someone reading WTFSocialJustice:

http://wtfsocialjustice.tumblr.com/post/73097320586/re-lord-of-the-flies-my-class-just-had-a-group (http://wtfsocialjustice.tumblr.com/post/73097320586/re-lord-of-the-flies-my-class-just-had-a-group)
Quote from: writer-of-words
Re: Lord of the Flies, my class just had a group discussion revolving around that question of the characters being girls instead of boys. All the girls who raised their hands, including myself, said that the worst bullying experiences they've ever had were at the hands of other girls (and most of those experiences happened in middle school, which would've placed them at about the same age as the boys). Everyone has the potential to be good or evil, it's not a gendered thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 15, 2014, 01:06:19 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 13, 2014, 10:16:59 am
Quote from: WarGoatHK417 on January 13, 2014, 04:30:02 am
Could anyone post something Sarkeesian-related?

......why?

A lot of her video game footage is not recorded by her, but rather taken from unsourced Lets Plays.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 15, 2014, 01:33:30 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 15, 2014, 01:06:19 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 13, 2014, 10:16:59 am
Quote from: WarGoatHK417 on January 13, 2014, 04:30:02 am
Could anyone post something Sarkeesian-related?

......why?

A lot of her video game footage is not recorded by her, but rather taken from unsourced Lets Plays.

I thought this was a thread about bad social justice warriors, not plagiarism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 15, 2014, 02:01:33 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 15, 2014, 01:33:30 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 15, 2014, 01:06:19 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 13, 2014, 10:16:59 am
Quote from: WarGoatHK417 on January 13, 2014, 04:30:02 am
Could anyone post something Sarkeesian-related?

......why?

A lot of her video game footage is not recorded by her, but rather taken from unsourced Lets Plays.

I thought this was a thread about bad social justice warriors, not plagiarism.

This.  Using uncredited footage from other people is irrelevant; it has nothing to do with the points she tries to make and does not invalidate any of her arguments, not matter how shitty a thing it is to do.  Even if I do think she sometimes takes her aguments a bit far.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 15, 2014, 02:04:25 am
She may not argue well, but the points that she makes are good.

Too bad the dudebro gamers out there love to strawman the hell out of her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 15, 2014, 02:59:16 am
Anita does have some legitimate criticism, however there are some legitimate criticisms against her critiques as well. However, plagiarizing and being wrong about some things aren't enough to warrant her a spot in this thread.

Some of her fans are annoying though:

(http://media.tumblr.com/5190bcca661c88f0c2618bf766c507a9/tumblr_inline_mwqrq9AFRh1rbw4b5.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 15, 2014, 05:09:11 am
*facepalm*

Save me from the fanatics...

Still, nothing nearly as bad as the shit her haters have vomited up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 15, 2014, 06:24:56 am
I have always been fascinated about how haters tend to be more obsessive than 'lovers'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 15, 2014, 07:40:47 am
Can we get a new version of the Godwin for people who compare someone to Rosa Parks?

I've been seeing a lot of that lately, and so far I've yet to see a comparison that wasn't ridiculous.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on January 15, 2014, 09:16:02 am
Quote from: Katsuro on January 15, 2014, 07:40:47 am
Can we get a new version of the Godwin for people who compare someone to Rosa Parks.
"A Rosa by any other name would smell as sweet (but your argument smells like shit)?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 15, 2014, 09:20:28 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on January 15, 2014, 09:16:02 am
Quote from: Katsuro on January 15, 2014, 07:40:47 am
Can we get a new version of the Godwin for people who compare someone to Rosa Parks.
"A Rosa by any other name would smell as sweet (but your argument smells like shit)?"

Heh, I see what you did there lol.  Not very catchy though, it might need a snip..."a Rosa" perhaps?  Though wasn't Godwin named after the guy who came up with it?  Not sure my surname has what it takes lol.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 15, 2014, 09:30:56 am
Haha, we could call it Katsuro's Law, if ya want.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 15, 2014, 09:38:23 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 15, 2014, 09:30:56 am
Haha, we could call it Katsuro's Law, if ya want.

If Xbox Live is anything to go by it'll at least be fun seeing people trying to pronounce it properly in rl arguments lol.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 16, 2014, 03:37:55 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/241eeaed3b2fad4d4c4b8e305c917d06/tumblr_ms3rpwkMjO1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 16, 2014, 03:41:03 pm
^ Very glad to know, then, that I am committing cultural appropriation whenever I go eat at a foreign food restaurant. I am glad to know that I offend Tumblr SJW's.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on January 16, 2014, 03:58:08 pm
Can we assume that person never eats hamburgers, hot dogs, pizza, or spaghetti?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on January 16, 2014, 04:44:03 pm
"It is not meant for you, because you wouldn't understand it."

It's food! What the fuck is there to understand!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 16, 2014, 04:53:43 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on January 16, 2014, 04:44:03 pm
"It is not meant for you, because you wouldn't understand it."

It's food! What the fuck is there to understand!?

Subtle...cultural...implications?  Fuck if I know.  I'll just sit over here and happily munch on a bowl of nachos laden with sour cream, guacamole, jalapenos, salsa, and tonnes of chicken and other veggies.  Because Mexican food is motherfucking tasty.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on January 16, 2014, 05:01:19 pm
So I guess only Mexicans can eat at Mexican restaurants, Vietnamese folks at Vietnamese places, etc. Somehow, I don't think the owners will be too happy about that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on January 16, 2014, 05:20:15 pm
I don't know, this comes off as poe-ish to me.  If it's serious, then I wonder if they actually know what's authentic Mexican food and what's Mexican food that was invented in the US.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 16, 2014, 05:21:31 pm
Iosa, you stupid slut, don't you know that if its called "Mexican," then it must therefore come straight from Mexico, likely having been originally made by little old Mexican ladies?  Names are never misleading EVER!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on January 16, 2014, 05:26:43 pm
This had better be a Poe...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on January 16, 2014, 05:52:53 pm
I call poe
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 16, 2014, 06:27:29 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on January 16, 2014, 05:20:15 pm
I don't know, this comes off as poe-ish to me.  If it's serious, then I wonder if they actually know what's authentic Mexican food and what's Mexican food that was invented in the US.
Anything with cheese or sour cream in it is Tex-Mex, not pure Mexican. Hell, it's actually pretty damn difficult to find authentic Mexican outside of Mexico.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on January 16, 2014, 10:14:05 pm
I think I'm gonna go have a slice of pizza.

...I'm quite serious about that; pizza is on the way here right now. Topped with mozzerella, fresh tomato and basil. From what I'd read, those were the ingredients on the first pizza that got Queen Margherita's approval. Might be a load of hooey but damn if it isn't tasty.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 16, 2014, 10:19:10 pm
Quote from: JohnE on January 16, 2014, 03:58:08 pm
Can we assume that person never eats hamburgers, hot dogs, pizza, or spaghetti?

It goes even beyond that. America is a country that's almost 100% made up of immigrants from other nations. Almost every food item available in the country has a foreign origin if you dig back far enough. Even stereotypical Southern cuisine (the most "indigenous United States" as you can get) includes plenty of influence from Native Americans, especially anything even vaguely related to cornbread and grits, and you could even make the argument that foods like fried chicken and okra must be exclusively eaten by blacks due to being soul food.

I think any American who tried to exclusively eat American food without ever consuming from another culture would be restricted to milk, cans of Spam, and cola.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 16, 2014, 10:27:30 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 16, 2014, 03:37:55 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/241eeahied3b2fad4d4c4b8e305c917d06/tumblr_ms3rpwkMjO1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

Umm I am from a culture where if you didn't eat our food when we offered it is disrespectful. In fact I just posted a pic of Oaxaca Mexican food on my tumblr and commented how I at that at my friends house since her mother made it for us. Appropriation would be if you stole the credit for it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 16, 2014, 10:30:17 pm
I think this sums up self-proclaimed Social Justice Warriors in a nutshell:

(http://i.imgur.com/pMcYbDp.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 16, 2014, 10:35:19 pm
Funny. I still get called a s j w despite the content of my tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 16, 2014, 10:45:32 pm
Tumblr Social Justice:

You Trigger Me Into Apoplexia And All-Caps!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 17, 2014, 07:33:40 am
I have had people stop following me because I post trans related stuff. Even tho I fucking tag every-fucking-thing to the best of my ability. Haters gon' hate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 17, 2014, 08:06:51 am
Quote from: The Master on January 17, 2014, 07:33:40 am
I have had people stop following me because I post trans related stuff. Even tho I fucking tag every-fucking-thing to the best of my ability. Haters gon' hate.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/42d45749d211f2c19cab91a51ac7c256/tumblr_mub8azb7tU1r8ex53o1_1280.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/4b7984c40c9322bea9d7cbee9d22910c/tumblr_mub8azb7tU1r8ex53o2_1280.jpg)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1043a6c91100843fc3bcd162f010dda4/tumblr_mub8azb7tU1r8ex53o3_1280.jpg)

Some people go read a tagged post just so that they can complain that they don't like the tagged subject.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on January 17, 2014, 10:50:50 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/97943ffc9630f4693f8709a745643ed2/tumblr_msuw4qkBZd1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4h4fjVKx01rwcc6bo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on January 17, 2014, 01:21:37 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on January 16, 2014, 10:35:19 pm
Funny. I still get called a s j w despite the content of my tumblr.

Which brings me to something I would like to say and never got to: I have since come to revile the term "Social Justice Warrior", simply because it's almost like a buzzword invented to vilify rational-minded people posting about how our society is fucked (when this is true, though rarely exaggerated) instead of just people who want "justice" from the "discrimination" of having an imaginary boy/girlfriend (to where they trivialize the actual struggles of homosexuals, bisexuals, pansexuals and asexuals in society).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on January 17, 2014, 02:11:59 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on January 17, 2014, 01:21:37 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on January 16, 2014, 10:35:19 pm
Funny. I still get called a s j w despite the content of my tumblr.

Which brings me to something I would like to say and never got to: I have since come to revile the term "Social Justice Warrior", simply because it's almost like a buzzword invented to vilify rational-minded people posting about how our society is fucked (when this is true, though rarely exaggerated) instead of just people who want "justice" from the "discrimination" of having an imaginary boy/girlfriend (to where they trivialize the actual struggles of homosexuals, bisexuals, pansexuals and asexuals in society).

I agree. My favorite was being called a "social justice warrior" by a certain former admin because I stood up to him about using the word "it" in reference to transgender people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 17, 2014, 02:38:48 pm
Quote from: Damen on January 17, 2014, 10:50:50 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/97943ffc9630f4693f8709a745643ed2/tumblr_msuw4qkBZd1ryeto5o1_400.png)

"philia" may mean love but it's used to refer to fetishes and other paraphernalia in common lingo.  Nice try >_>

The first line was promising (being attracted to animals doesn't mean you're automatically an animal rapist - raping an animal makes you an animal rapist.) but then it just went all downhill from there x_X
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 17, 2014, 03:51:04 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on January 17, 2014, 02:38:48 pm
Quote from: Damen on January 17, 2014, 10:50:50 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/97943ffc9630f4693f8709a745643ed2/tumblr_msuw4qkBZd1ryeto5o1_400.png)

"philia" may mean love but it's used to refer to fetishes and other paraphernalia in common lingo.  Nice try >_>

The first line was promising (being attracted to animals doesn't mean you're automatically an animal rapist - raping an animal makes you an animal rapist.) but then it just went all downhill from there x_X

Of course, this is when an asshole like me opens a massive can o worms by casually mentioning the term "paraphilia."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2014, 04:24:47 pm
An animal cannot give consent, you dingbats!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Murdin on January 17, 2014, 06:26:08 pm
Quote from: Damen on January 17, 2014, 10:50:50 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/97943ffc9630f4693f8709a745643ed2/tumblr_msuw4qkBZd1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4h4fjVKx01rwcc6bo1_500.gif)

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 17, 2014, 07:36:24 pm
I'm gonna draw some oncoming fire my way here...

One of my best, dearest friends is a zoophile.  He's never done a thing with any real animal, despite owning seven dogs over the course of his 58 years of life.  He also has one of the most amazing vinyl record collections and plush animal collections (he likes deer and has a special adoration for Bambi) that I've ever seen.  I am proud and honored to know him.


So.  Tell me again how all zoophiles are evil animal-fuckers.  I'll be pleased as punch to make you eat through a straw for a few years.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 17, 2014, 08:22:42 pm
The point is not "all zoophiles are disgusting and should die" or whatever. The point is the silliness of trying to redefine zoophilia from "sexual attraction to animals"* to "love of animals". That's not what the word means and the argument is stupid.


*You. The person thinking of saying something along the lines of "humans are animals too!!!". You are not clever, you know exactly what I meant, and you should feel bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 17, 2014, 08:50:16 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on January 17, 2014, 07:36:24 pm
I'm gonna draw some oncoming fire my way here...

One of my best, dearest friends is a zoophile.  He's never done a thing with any real animal, despite owning seven dogs over the course of his 58 years of life.  He also has one of the most amazing vinyl record collections and plush animal collections (he likes deer and has a special adoration for Bambi) that I've ever seen.  I am proud and honored to know him.


So.  Tell me again how all zoophiles are evil animal-fuckers.  I'll be pleased as punch to make you eat through a straw for a few years.
You could have phrased that in a less internet tough guy way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 17, 2014, 08:52:17 pm
ex... cept that it does.

One of the VERY FIRST DEFINITIONS for '-philia':  'a strong feeling of love or admiration for something'

zo-? 'animal'


Ergo...? C'mon, do I REALLY need to spell this out for you guys?  The former may be, in the social sense, what Zoophilia is percieved as *now*, but the latter is FAR more accurate.


And Lizard? When my friend has had the cops called on him (repeatedly) for supposedly doing things with his dogs over the course of 20 years with no evidence or justification, then him getting stuck with the resulting legal bills from having to fight that bullshit, it makes me a little defensive on his behalf.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 17, 2014, 09:28:29 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on January 17, 2014, 08:52:17 pm
ex... cept that it does.

One of the VERY FIRST DEFINITIONS for '-philia':  'a strong feeling of love or admiration for something'

zo-? 'animal'


Ergo...? C'mon, do I REALLY need to spell this out for you guys?  The former may be, in the social sense, what Zoophilia is percieved as *now*, but the latter is FAR more accurate.

Etymological fallacy. You might as well argue that homophobia means "fear of sameness" rather than "bigotry against gay people". That's one possible reading of the root words, but it's not what people actually mean when they say it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 17, 2014, 09:41:17 pm
Then you may as well argue that the word 'fag' in any of the common 'definitons' is an etymological fallacy.  It can mean a cigarette, a bundle of sticks OR a derogatory slur against a gay person.  So which one do people "actually mean when they say it"?


This is why I get so frustrated when I see people equate zoophilia with 'does harmful things to animals, without fail, end of story, they all need to be locked up'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on January 17, 2014, 09:49:19 pm
All this developing zoophile drama:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4h4fjVKx01rwcc6bo1_500.gif)

(Sorry, Damen. I don't even like Loki.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on January 17, 2014, 10:07:07 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on January 17, 2014, 09:49:19 pm
All this developing zoophile drama:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4h4fjVKx01rwcc6bo1_500.gif)

(Sorry, Damen. I don't even like Loki.)

...gif thief...

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2b9ddRJu61r2u47wo1_500.gif)

Just kidding. :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 17, 2014, 10:11:31 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on January 17, 2014, 08:52:17 pm
ex... cept that it does.

One of the VERY FIRST DEFINITIONS for '-philia':  'a strong feeling of love or admiration for something'

zo-? 'animal'


Ergo...? C'mon, do I REALLY need to spell this out for you guys?  The former may be, in the social sense, what Zoophilia is percieved as *now*, but the latter is FAR more accurate.


And Lizard? When my friend has had the cops called on him (repeatedly) for supposedly doing things with his dogs over the course of 20 years with no evidence or justification, then him getting stuck with the resulting legal bills from having to fight that bullshit, it makes me a little defensive on his behalf.
I just meant the last part about the straw.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 17, 2014, 10:12:16 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000822867536/3f5a00acf72df93528b6bb7cd0a4fd0c.jpeg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 17, 2014, 10:13:47 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 17, 2014, 10:12:16 pm
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 17, 2014, 10:14:40 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 17, 2014, 10:13:47 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 17, 2014, 10:12:16 pm
(click to show/hide)

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh
(http://i.imgur.com/ONocyr1.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 17, 2014, 10:15:20 pm
.....can--can we get staff in here? I think he's lost his mind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 17, 2014, 10:15:33 pm
Has your buddy done anything illicit to this Doge? Why else would lizard post it!?

So go ahead, testify, Doge. Put this sick, sick mind behind bars!!

/ElliotUnstablerVoice/
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 17, 2014, 10:32:56 pm
Don't hug me I'm scared.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on January 17, 2014, 10:35:19 pm
wow, so drama, such semantics, very etymology, much doge, many I'm outta here
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on January 17, 2014, 10:44:04 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on January 17, 2014, 10:35:19 pm
wow, so drama, such semantics, very etymology, much doge, many I'm outta here

Personally, I remain unimpressed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 17, 2014, 11:58:07 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on January 18, 2014, 12:02:38 am
Incidentally, Doge's real name is Kabosu.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 18, 2014, 12:07:37 am
Lizard, are you drunk/high?  Chill with the doge posting, okay? You're scaring some of our more sensitive members.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 02:43:19 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7fcc0fca39afd73250496b2f42416ab/tumblr_mskftfV4Pz1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: largeham on January 18, 2014, 03:21:09 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 02:43:19 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7fcc0fca39afd73250496b2f42416ab/tumblr_mskftfV4Pz1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Pfft, who could give a fuck. Most of white Buddhists and Hare Krishnas I've met are are weird Orientalist hippies more than racist, patronisers*.

This partly applies to all the stuff regarding white people wearing bindis. I've not met an Indian younger than my parent's generation who wears bindis ONLY because it is expected/traditional. Or was forced to wear one at all. Sure there might be functions/occasions where wearing a bindi might be expected, but no one is going to bust a nut because someone didn't.

The vast majority of Indian people (at least those living in western/Anglophile countries) wear them for the same reason white people wear them: because they look nice.

* Arguably being an orientalist does make a person racist and patronising, but I'm sure you get what the difference is in that example.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 03:34:53 am
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/27afa53906633a9fa753aa9fa991523d/tumblr_inline_myokhdGtCC1rfmofz.png)

I never thought I'd see the day where every sexuality is insulted in one post.

Let's hope this person is a Poe.

*I was originally going to replace my last post with this one but since there was a response I'm making a new one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on January 18, 2014, 03:41:43 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 03:34:53 am
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/27afa53906633a9fa753aa9fa991523d/tumblr_inline_myokhdGtCC1rfmofz.png)

I never thought I'd see the day where every sexuality is insulted in one post.

Let's hope this person is a Poe.

*I was originally going to replace my last post with this one but since there was a response I'm making a new one.

I'm always amazed and impressed by your ability to find the craziest of crazy people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 03:44:43 am
It's a gift.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 18, 2014, 03:47:55 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 03:44:43 am
It's a gift.

Or a curse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 18, 2014, 04:05:54 am
You'll thank her later. 

Sorry.  Having Monk flashbacks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 18, 2014, 05:19:52 am
Just as a side note, I say 'namaste' to a friend of mine that runs a gas station store here because it's RESPECTFUL to his culture and I've tried to learn his native tongue in order to simply say hello and goodbye.  It's something NICE to do, and he always smiles.  He's a great guy who I've sat and bullshit with many times over the last few years I've lived here in New York, and he's thanked me outright for trying to learn his native language because it reminds him of home.

Some people are very silly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 18, 2014, 06:27:30 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 02:43:19 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7fcc0fca39afd73250496b2f42416ab/tumblr_mskftfV4Pz1ryeto5o1_500.png)

crackerhell-chan, stop being so tsundere~

~desu
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 18, 2014, 09:26:25 am
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on January 17, 2014, 09:41:17 pm
Then you may as well argue that the word 'fag' in any of the common 'definitons' is an etymological fallacy.  It can mean a cigarette, a bundle of sticks OR a derogatory slur against a gay person.  So which one do people "actually mean when they say it"?

No, see, etymological fallacy is when people try to argue that a word can only mean what it meant in the past (e.g. -philia can only mean "love", -phobia can only mean "fear"). In the general case, it's pretty obvious from context what people mean by "fag".

The tumblr post above tries to argue that zoophiles can't be animal rapists because someone who loves animals wouldn't rape them. Nice and all, but nobody is arguing that animal-lovers rape animals. Rather, than sometimes people with a sexual attraction towards animals rape them. Thus, arguing from the "animal-love" interpretation is nonsense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Shane for Wax on January 18, 2014, 09:56:32 am
Quote from: askold on January 17, 2014, 08:06:51 am
Quote from: The Master on January 17, 2014, 07:33:40 am
I have had people stop following me because I post trans related stuff. Even tho I fucking tag every-fucking-thing to the best of my ability. Haters gon' hate.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/42d45749d211f2c19cab91a51ac7c256/tumblr_mub8azb7tU1r8ex53o1_1280.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/4b7984c40c9322bea9d7cbee9d22910c/tumblr_mub8azb7tU1r8ex53o2_1280.jpg)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1043a6c91100843fc3bcd162f010dda4/tumblr_mub8azb7tU1r8ex53o3_1280.jpg)

Some people go read a tagged post just so that they can complain that they don't like the tagged subject.

Which is really silly, tbh. I have also had people get onto me for being a 'downer' even tho I put personal posts about depression under a read more (aka spoiler tags) and tag it with relevant tags. So all they are doing is bitching at me because they decided to ignore all of my warnings. (When I say get onto me, I actually had someone flat out stop being my friend over my personal posts. The same personal posts that I would lament my lack of friends in meatspace and my trust issues. So basically they were just deciding to specifically go for a sore subject when they decided to stop being my friend).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on January 18, 2014, 11:52:18 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 02:43:19 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7fcc0fca39afd73250496b2f42416ab/tumblr_mskftfV4Pz1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Fuck you. My best friend is a white Buddhist. And no, he didn't just decide one day that he's now a Buddhist. He went through the whole conversion process at a temple in Seattle, which I witnessed. Also, while taking classes to prepare for conversion, he met a nice girl who is now his wife.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 18, 2014, 12:59:20 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 03:34:53 am
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/27afa53906633a9fa753aa9fa991523d/tumblr_inline_myokhdGtCC1rfmofz.png)

Trigger warning: Intersectional thinking

There's more than one type of gay porn. Gay4Pay does emulate the the man on woman role but it does it very different way from what the OP thinks. Also she apparently doesn't understand the concept of flip fucking wherein we take turn pleasuring each other. And even at that not all gay porn even have anal penetration. When gay porn is problematic, it's problematic to us and generally because of classist (many gay men cannot find work and resort to porn) and racist reasons (racist caricature within gay porn). But radfems can never wrong men of color, amirite  ::)

Also, my boner disagrees with the idea that I'm not actually sexually attracted to men. Homosocial bonding is a straight male phenomenon. There are some gay men who do engage in that and they are generally those trying to be straight acting. When gay men seek other gay men, we do so because we seek people with similar experiences and understanding. We want to be with people who know what it's like to be scorned for our sexuality, to take these abuses at our developmental ages. We want to be safe, which is also why gay men hang out with lesbians and trans folk (bitch probably believe trans folks are out to ruin women but what ever). AND we existed in societies that doesn't have this Western Patriarchy. What is it with radfems and their inability to think outside of their cultural box? Also pray tell are these radfems gleeful when they see queer men of colored murdered in the streets? Are they gleeful when pictures of mangled gay faces end up on the news? Because siding with the homophobic men by calling us greedy seems to suggest that.

If you have sex with other women simply as a choice, that's fine. I'm not one to denigrate choice either. But don't assume other women choose to do the same. Erasing the ranges of female sexuality, erasing the struggles that comes with it is not how liberation works. As a feminist friend of my said to a bigot (paraphrasing) "The fact that I still see men as sexual and romantic partners despite the fact that men have harmed me through my life, speaks volumes about the innateness of sexuality among humans".



Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 18, 2014, 02:22:12 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on January 17, 2014, 01:21:37 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on January 16, 2014, 10:35:19 pm
Funny. I still get called a s j w despite the content of my tumblr.

Which brings me to something I would like to say and never got to: I have since come to revile the term "Social Justice Warrior", simply because it's almost like a buzzword invented to vilify rational-minded people posting about how our society is fucked (when this is true, though rarely exaggerated) instead of just people who want "justice" from the "discrimination" of having an imaginary boy/girlfriend (to where they trivialize the actual struggles of homosexuals, bisexuals, pansexuals and asexuals in society).

On tumblr, it's become a fallacy. I've been told that I'm a SJW for saying social awkwardness doesn't excuse misogynistic or racists behavior. On here, I've been called a SJW for presenting facts about discrepancies in race among things like scholarships. But I still got to give it to that guy that called me a heterophobe when I beat him in a debate about abortion. Which I will post on the things on the internet thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 18, 2014, 05:12:51 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 02:43:19 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7fcc0fca39afd73250496b2f42416ab/tumblr_mskftfV4Pz1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Riley is a notorious hypocrite in this regard. They don't want people to speak on behalf of black people/black culture (which is a perfectly fair request, mind you), yet feel okay speaking on behalf of every other racial and cultural group and then screaming "oppression" if someone asks them to stop. They're also a major Japanophile, but lose their shit if anyone else shows interest in another culture.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 18, 2014, 05:25:12 pm
If you called Riley on their shit, they try to label you as some type of race traitor because people of color are suppose to be a hive mind or something. They tried to get a horde to invade Facsinasian because she doesn't agree with him 100% on the issue of racism faced by Asian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 18, 2014, 05:59:26 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on January 18, 2014, 11:52:18 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 02:43:19 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7fcc0fca39afd73250496b2f42416ab/tumblr_mskftfV4Pz1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Fuck you. My best friend is a white Buddhist. And no, he didn't just decide one day that he's now a Buddhist. He went through the whole conversion process at a temple in Seattle, which I witnessed. Also, while taking classes to prepare for conversion, he met a nice girl who is now his wife.

Also,apparently both Tumblr and Deviantart are racist as fuck.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 18, 2014, 06:13:16 pm
Incidentally, Riley has said some pretty racist shit themselves -- and I'm not talking about the constant hating on white people, either. Notable examples are referring to several Native women who disagreed with them about something minor as "some Native cunts", claiming that most Asians are "bad" POC, and tons of negatives statements about Jews. And that's not even getting into the Americentrism, which had led to all kinds of downplaying of racial/ethnic issues.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 18, 2014, 07:17:19 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 03:34:53 am
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/27afa53906633a9fa753aa9fa991523d/tumblr_inline_myokhdGtCC1rfmofz.png)

I never thought I'd see the day where every sexuality is insulted in one post.

Let's hope this person is a Poe.

*I was originally going to replace my last post with this one but since there was a response I'm making a new one.

......anyone got a desk I could break?

Ironbite-kinda out over here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 18, 2014, 07:21:37 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 18, 2014, 07:17:19 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 03:34:53 am
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/27afa53906633a9fa753aa9fa991523d/tumblr_inline_myokhdGtCC1rfmofz.png)

I never thought I'd see the day where every sexuality is insulted in one post.

Let's hope this person is a Poe.

*I was originally going to replace my last post with this one but since there was a response I'm making a new one.

......anyone got a desk I could break?

Ironbite-kinda out over here.

(http://www.whitehousemuseum.org/west-wing/oval-office/oval-office-resolute-desk.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 18, 2014, 07:22:44 pm
Thanks.

Ironbite-*headdesks*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 18, 2014, 07:32:07 pm
Here's the bill for the president's desk by the way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 18, 2014, 07:33:44 pm
Yeah, that was a headdesk worthy post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 18, 2014, 11:11:11 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on January 18, 2014, 09:26:25 am
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on January 17, 2014, 09:41:17 pm
Then you may as well argue that the word 'fag' in any of the common 'definitons' is an etymological fallacy.  It can mean a cigarette, a bundle of sticks OR a derogatory slur against a gay person.  So which one do people "actually mean when they say it"?

No, see, etymological fallacy is when people try to argue that a word can only mean what it meant in the past (e.g. -philia can only mean "love", -phobia can only mean "fear"). In the general case, it's pretty obvious from context what people mean by "fag".

The tumblr post above tries to argue that zoophiles can't be animal rapists because someone who loves animals wouldn't rape them. Nice and all, but nobody is arguing that animal-lovers rape animals. Rather, than sometimes people with a sexual attraction towards animals rape them. Thus, arguing from the "animal-love" interpretation is nonsense.

I argue from that interpretation (just speaking for me personally here) because I do know folks that do fit that definition.  Now the ones that actually DO that sort of thing? Yeah, kick their teeth in.  There's a LARGE difference between attraction and acting upon that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 19, 2014, 12:42:51 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 18, 2014, 05:12:51 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 02:43:19 am
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Riley is a notorious hypocrite in this regard. They don't want people to speak on behalf of black people/black culture (which is a perfectly fair request, mind you), yet feel okay speaking on behalf of every other racial and cultural group and then screaming "oppression" if someone asks them to stop. They're also a major Japanophile, but lose their shit if anyone else shows interest in another culture.

Riely's animu fetish is so large it extends to the actual actors:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mactzjKf5a1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

I can't be the only one who finds this kind of creepy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on January 19, 2014, 01:19:22 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on January 18, 2014, 11:52:18 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 02:43:19 am
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Fuck you. My best friend is a white Buddhist. And no, he didn't just decide one day that he's now a Buddhist. He went through the whole conversion process at a temple in Seattle, which I witnessed. Also, while taking classes to prepare for conversion, he met a nice girl who is now his wife.
A guy I went to high school with is a white Buddhist monk. It's a religion, not a race.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 19, 2014, 03:16:15 am
Quote from: JohnE on January 19, 2014, 01:19:22 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on January 18, 2014, 11:52:18 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 02:43:19 am
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Fuck you. My best friend is a white Buddhist. And no, he didn't just decide one day that he's now a Buddhist. He went through the whole conversion process at a temple in Seattle, which I witnessed. Also, while taking classes to prepare for conversion, he met a nice girl who is now his wife.
A guy I went to high school with is a white Buddhist monk. It's a religion, not a race.
Nope, if you pay attention the Buddha clearly states that only the Asian race is allowed to be Buddhist, Buddhism is about trying to prove how your better than other losers after all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 19, 2014, 03:22:46 am
Quote from: I am lizard on January 19, 2014, 03:16:15 am
Nope, if you pay attention the Buddha clearly states that only the Asian race is allowed to be Buddhist, Buddhism is about trying to prove how your better than other losers after all.
Seems legit, considering the original Buddha was actually Indian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 19, 2014, 03:38:08 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 19, 2014, 03:22:46 am
Quote from: I am lizard on January 19, 2014, 03:16:15 am
Nope, if you pay attention the Buddha clearly states that only the Asian race is allowed to be Buddhist, Buddhism is about trying to prove how your better than other losers after all.
Seems legit, considering the original Buddha was actually Indian.
You would think that, wouldn't you!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 19, 2014, 06:00:22 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on January 19, 2014, 01:14:25 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 19, 2014, 12:42:51 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 18, 2014, 05:12:51 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 02:43:19 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7fcc0fca39afd73250496b2f42416ab/tumblr_mskftfV4Pz1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Riley is a notorious hypocrite in this regard. They don't want people to speak on behalf of black people/black culture (which is a perfectly fair request, mind you), yet feel okay speaking on behalf of every other racial and cultural group and then screaming "oppression" if someone asks them to stop. They're also a major Japanophile, but lose their shit if anyone else shows interest in another culture.

Riely's animu fetish is so large it extends to the actual actors:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mactzjKf5a1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

I can't be the only one who finds this kind of creepy?

Ah, yes, Riley. (http://omgstopbeingashittyperson.tumblr.com/tagged/crackerhell) What an abusive hypocritical piece of shit.

What is it with Biyuti and defending Riley at every instance as if Riley could do no wrong ever?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 19, 2014, 06:02:45 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 19, 2014, 03:16:15 am
Quote from: JohnE on January 19, 2014, 01:19:22 am
Quote from: Meshakhad on January 18, 2014, 11:52:18 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 18, 2014, 02:43:19 am
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Fuck you. My best friend is a white Buddhist. And no, he didn't just decide one day that he's now a Buddhist. He went through the whole conversion process at a temple in Seattle, which I witnessed. Also, while taking classes to prepare for conversion, he met a nice girl who is now his wife.
A guy I went to high school with is a white Buddhist monk. It's a religion, not a race.
Nope, if you pay attention the Buddha clearly states that only the Asian race is allowed to be Buddhist, Buddhism is about trying to prove how your better than other losers after all.

But there is no single Asian race.  Asia is comprised of many, many different races, many of which are even (extremely) visually distinctive from eachother.  Which one was he reffereing to? Presumably the ones found in India and Pakistan?  Or did he mean any race and ethnic group as long as it was from Asia?  If so, what was the cut off point he used to define where Asia becomes Europe?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 19, 2014, 06:04:44 pm
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Nope, if you pay attention the Buddha clearly states that only the Asian race is allowed to be Buddhist, Buddhism is about trying to prove how your better than other losers after all.
The concept of "race" didn't exist back then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 19, 2014, 07:11:18 pm
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLSHIT!

Ironbite-calling major bullshit on that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 19, 2014, 07:35:56 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 19, 2014, 06:04:44 pm
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Nope, if you pay attention the Buddha clearly states that only the Asian race is allowed to be Buddhist, Buddhism is about trying to prove how your better than other losers after all.
The concept of "race" didn't exist back then.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Edgar_Allan_Poe_2_retouched_and_transparent_bg.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: QueenofHearts on January 19, 2014, 07:53:21 pm
Ah, I see what you did there. It took me a while, but I caught it.

ETA: A good subject of my 2000th post :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 19, 2014, 08:29:44 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 19, 2014, 07:11:18 pm
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLSHIT!

Ironbite-calling major bullshit on that.
No, seriously, at least not the way we think of race.

For example, it's true that the Ancient Romans considered themselves the pinnacle of the world.  However, this had less to do with their race, and more to do with their culture.  Assimilated peoples were considered just as good as the original Romans, no matter what their skin color.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 19, 2014, 08:56:33 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 19, 2014, 08:29:44 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 19, 2014, 07:11:18 pm
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLSHIT!

Ironbite-calling major bullshit on that.
No, seriously, at least not the way we think of race.

For example, it's true that the Ancient Romans considered themselves the pinnacle of the world.  However, this had less to do with their race, and more to do with their culture.  Assimilated peoples were considered just as good as the original Romans, no matter what their skin color.

Racism still existed. Just because the Romans practiced cultural bigotry doesn't mean that nobody else practiced ethnic bigotry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: largeham on January 19, 2014, 09:33:14 pm
Racism existed, but it was very different to what we have now as racism. I agree with Paragon, most of the racism then was more cultural/local-geographic chauvinism, there was little in the way of pseudo-scientific and/or institutional racism that we have now. That was largely borne out of the slave trade and European colonisation as a way of justifying it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 19, 2014, 09:54:08 pm
Bigotry has always been institutional to some degree (caste systems, etc.), at least since humanity crossed from primitive groupings into larger civilizations, but the western Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Negroid theory and the dynamics that descended from it are all fairly recent, so it's safe to say that Buddha wouldn't have had a "no whities" policy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 19, 2014, 10:57:58 pm
Everyone understands I was making a Poe right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 19, 2014, 11:29:49 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 19, 2014, 10:57:58 pm
Everyone understands I was making a Poe right?
Oh, I thought you were calling me a Poe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 19, 2014, 11:34:09 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 19, 2014, 10:57:58 pm
Everyone understands I was making a Poe right?
I thought you were quoting some social justice warrior and you forgot the quote tags.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 20, 2014, 01:21:52 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 19, 2014, 11:34:09 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 19, 2014, 10:57:58 pm
Everyone understands I was making a Poe right?
I thought you were quoting some social justice warrior and you forgot the quote tags.

I think you're mixing up who said what. Paragon said the "There was no concept of 'race' back in the ancient days", while Lizard posted the picture of Poe as a visual pun.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on January 20, 2014, 01:24:22 am
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lesbians are sacred and not meant for ur gross dudebro ass to masturbate to

So, are bisexuals sacred too? Or do we just get to be the priestesses?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 20, 2014, 01:52:26 am
Quote from: Wrightway on January 20, 2014, 01:24:22 am
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lesbians are sacred and not meant for ur gross dudebro ass to masturbate to

So, are bisexuals sacred too? Or do we just get to be the priestesses?
Depending on who you ask, bisexuals either don't exist, are fakers, are just confused or are bisexual.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 20, 2014, 01:57:00 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 20, 2014, 01:21:52 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 19, 2014, 11:34:09 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 19, 2014, 10:57:58 pm
Everyone understands I was making a Poe right?
I thought you were quoting some social justice warrior and you forgot the quote tags.

I think you're mixing up who said what. Paragon said the "There was no concept of 'race' back in the ancient days", while Lizard posted the picture of Poe as a visual pun.

Actually I was talking about Lizard's "Buddhism is for Asians only" comment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 20, 2014, 03:11:48 am
Quote from: I am lizard on January 19, 2014, 10:57:58 pm
Everyone understands I was making a Poe right?

Yes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on January 20, 2014, 02:01:53 pm
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A reminder today that Martin Luther King Jr. was assasinated by the US government

Tagged: how far white people will go to uphold white supremacy

Someone responded with: Anonymous asked: i understand that the "martin luther king jr was assassinated by the government" thing is a legitimate conspiracy. this being said, it is still just one of many theories about his death. to present it as fact is misleading. im just hoping people who see that post will check their sources before accepting it as certain.

They blew up, predictably.

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/41dc09e31a65e1e83d7c9e39d4241fb1/tumblr_inline_mzpqqwIxKk1qbv71v.png)
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What the fuck are you doing in my inbox, gringo? Did you get lost?

Okay, let me get this straight; if you are an oppressed minority you can make any claim you want? And anyone who asks you for proof of the claim you made is entitled and should check their privilege?

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDUCPdN3Xk5ovdaJMpttRLmHkmShT_kEukZFeQWxy2b24MeOTQ)


Editing because the same blog is still going at it.

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anonymous asked:

PLEASE explain to your followers who are still peeping about white people not being able to wear locks: HERES why, locks have been worn for centuries by several African cultures and are the core part of Rastafarianism. Rastafarianism came about in the 80's as a REJECTION of Eurocentrism and racism and adopted locks to reject white beauty standards and oppression. Locks represent a REJECTION of white beauty standards and an embracing of black culture and blackness.

Oh, look. Even more reasons to not appropriate locs and be a racist. As if you needed more than one.

For all you white supremacists who keep flooding my inbox about your silly white people hair. I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand. If you’re white, you can’t have dreadlocs. End of story.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on January 20, 2014, 02:20:44 pm
Their "sources" were conspiracy theory pages. It's very likely the anon sent in the reply because they were using conspiracy theory websites like they were legitimate sources. Which in itself is a bit disingenuous of them.

Edit: Okay, I was wrong. They also used the King Center site. I missed that one earlier.

Editedit: Though they are still special snowflakes of the highest caliber.

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anonymous asked:

Just tell the white people it hurts their hair. They don't care about racism. It hurts your gat damn hair. IT BREAKS YOUR HAIR. It is not healthy, white people. Bad. Bad for your hair.

No. If they’re racist enough to mat their asshole hair, they deserve it :^)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on January 20, 2014, 02:39:26 pm
Cultural appropriation, like triggering, is a term that had a very precise definition and as such, was useful and raised valid issues. However, just like triggers, it has been run into the ground so much by tumblrJWs that it has lost any worthwhile meaning in those discussions. They actually lost some of their most powerful tool by trying to use it when it shouldn't have been.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 20, 2014, 04:43:52 pm
I don't exactly agree with everything shitrichcollegekidssay, but they do make good points most of the time.

One of the few tumblrs I frequent.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 20, 2014, 06:31:58 pm
Quote from: Wrightway on January 20, 2014, 02:01:53 pm
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A reminder today that Martin Luther King Jr. was assasinated by the US government

Tagged: how far white people will go to uphold white supremacy

Someone responded with: Anonymous asked: i understand that the "martin luther king jr was assassinated by the government" thing is a legitimate conspiracy. this being said, it is still just one of many theories about his death. to present it as fact is misleading. im just hoping people who see that post will check their sources before accepting it as certain.

They blew up, predictably.

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/41dc09e31a65e1e83d7c9e39d4241fb1/tumblr_inline_mzpqqwIxKk1qbv71v.png)
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What the fuck are you doing in my inbox, gringo? Did you get lost?

Okay, let me get this straight; if you are an oppressed minority you can make any claim you want? And anyone who asks you for proof of the claim you made is entitled and should check their privilege? 

Rational inquiry is fascism. No oppressed minority needs to make sure the things they say are actually true.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 20, 2014, 06:46:25 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on January 20, 2014, 06:31:58 pm
Quote from: Wrightway on January 20, 2014, 02:01:53 pm
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A reminder today that Martin Luther King Jr. was assasinated by the US government

Tagged: how far white people will go to uphold white supremacy

Someone responded with: Anonymous asked: i understand that the "martin luther king jr was assassinated by the government" thing is a legitimate conspiracy. this being said, it is still just one of many theories about his death. to present it as fact is misleading. im just hoping people who see that post will check their sources before accepting it as certain.

They blew up, predictably.

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/41dc09e31a65e1e83d7c9e39d4241fb1/tumblr_inline_mzpqqwIxKk1qbv71v.png)
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What the fuck are you doing in my inbox, gringo? Did you get lost?

Okay, let me get this straight; if you are an oppressed minority you can make any claim you want? And anyone who asks you for proof of the claim you made is entitled and should check their privilege? 

Rational inquiry is fascism. No oppressed minority needs to make sure the things they say are actually true.

You need to work on your Poeing. This sounds too legitimate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 20, 2014, 06:52:05 pm
That's sorta the point of poeing, though, isn't it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on January 20, 2014, 06:57:52 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on January 20, 2014, 06:52:05 pm
That's sorta the point of poeing, though, isn't it?

I thought the point was to take a dump.

What?  What?! Hey, fuck all y'all, I'm funny dammit!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 22, 2014, 11:49:53 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f911ce68b29db51541f4cfb1278aa834/tumblr_mzs3pv6Ot91ryeto5o1_1280.png)

So many facepalms.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 22, 2014, 11:54:03 pm
I think the person who wrote that ignorant response needs to start checking THEIR privilege as well...

'Cause clearly, if they feel entitled to spout that sort of trash about other people's cultures, they have more than they think they do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 22, 2014, 11:57:09 pm
I couldn't resist posting a response:

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And all I read in your post was “I am a white, over-privileged American who doesn’t understand that social dynamics in other parts of the world differ from those in the US.” Dare I say that no one gives a shit about your American tears regarding this issue?

A couple things you might want to keep in mind:

1) The OP never claimed that including PoC in films is a bad thing. She merely asked people to stop speaking on behalf of Sami culture (i.e., the ethnic group people on Tumblr are supposedly standing up for, based on perceived issues with Sami representation in the movie), which is a perfectly reasonable request, and one that you — someone who appears to be a proponent of post-modernist views on prejudice — should damn well understand.

2) Since you appear to not even know who the Sami are: They’re the indigenous peoples of Scandinavia who have historically faced oppression and colonization that shares some similarities with what was done to Natives in North American (including concentrated efforts to wipe out their culture and assimilate them), and still face discrimination & cultural erasure in parts of Europe. An American referring to a Sami’s commentary as “white tears” is every bit as ignorant and erasing as a white person butting into a conversation about racism between PoC to tell them that they “just need to get over it”.

You may want to work on your reading comprehension and try researching an issue before shoving your way into a conversation, lest you look like a massive hypocrite again in the future.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on January 23, 2014, 12:21:43 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 22, 2014, 11:57:09 pm
I couldn't resist posting a response:

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And all I read in your post was “I am a white, over-privileged American who doesn’t understand that social dynamics in other parts of the world differ from those in the US.” Dare I say that no one gives a shit about your American tears regarding this issue?

A couple things you might want to keep in mind:

1) The OP never claimed that including PoC in films is a bad thing. She merely asked people to stop speaking on behalf of Sami culture (i.e., the ethnic group people on Tumblr are supposedly standing up for, based on perceived issues with Sami representation in the movie), which is a perfectly reasonable request, and one that you — someone who appears to be a proponent of post-modernist views on prejudice — should damn well understand.

2) Since you appear to not even know who the Sami are: They’re the indigenous peoples of Scandinavia who have historically faced oppression and colonization that shares some similarities with what was done to Natives in North American (including concentrated efforts to wipe out their culture and assimilate them), and still face discrimination & cultural erasure in parts of Europe. An American referring to a Sami’s commentary as “white tears” is every bit as ignorant and erasing as a white person butting into a conversation about racism between PoC to tell them that they “just need to get over it”.

You may want to work on your reading comprehension and try researching an issue before shoving your way into a conversation, lest you look like a massive hypocrite again in the future.
Calling the "Sami are white, so they're not POC, so they still have white priviledge lol" response.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 23, 2014, 01:02:05 am
As was said before, it's a 100% Amero-centric view of racism. A lot of these Tumblr social justice warriors are young Americans who haven't personally witnessed any racism apart from white people vs. non-white people. They haven't heard about Irish oppression outside of history books, but they probably know at least one black person who remembers segregation and modern American history classes are filled to the gills with information on the stuff we put Native Americans through. As far as they're concerned, it's Scott Whitey vs. The World.

I'd be surprised if they've even heard of the ethnic cleansing and discrimination done among Asians, Africans, and Middle Easterners, to say nothing of knowing the discrimination that Sami go through regardless of their skin color.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 23, 2014, 11:20:30 am
Quote from: LeTipex on January 23, 2014, 12:21:43 am
Calling the "Sami are white, so they're not POC, so they still have white priviledge lol" response.

Pretty much:

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“I am white and blonde. I look like Kristoff. Most of my Sami friends are also white. We are white.” When this is what the OP is complaining about, I literally cannot give two fucks about them. Sorry. White people do not get to complain about being white. If YOU understood the differences between race and culture and had the reading comprehension you speak so fondly of, you would see that I am not talking about her culture, but her race. So kindly fuck off.

My response:

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I’m of mixed race, living in Canada. My non-European ancestors faced assimilation and cultural erasure, leaving my generation without our own cultural identity while still left to face racial issues — so don’t tell me that I don’t understand the difference between race and culture.

And you’re still being an ignorant, Americentric jerk. The OP was — as previously stated — responding to people on Tumblr who claimed to be standing up for the Sami, while ignoring what actually Sami people had to say. The criticisms being passed around were literally things like “The Sami can’t be white, because they’re oppressed” and “This film misrepresents the Sami” and “The Sami look Inuit, they don’t have blonde hair”, and all manner of Americentric, ignorant commentary. The OP had every god damn right to comment as they did, and you, in turn, had every god damn right to shut your mouth and not silence her when she was discussing her own ethnicity, her own culture, and her own experiences.

Do you have any idea how ignorant and over-privileged you look to everyone who lives outside of the US, or has bothered to learn about the world outside of your borders?

Edit: If that’s not clear enough for you, let me put it this way: You literally just told a member of a marginalized minority to “stop crying white tears”. Your statement boiled down to, “You wouldn’t be discriminated against where I live, so your opinion on your own culture, and the issues it faces in your region, don’t matter.”

You are the very definition of white American privilege — so trapped in your own little bubble, relying solely on anecdotes and textbook definitions delivered in a sterilized academic setting to teach you about what it’s like to face discrimination, that you can’t process experiences that don’t mimic your own. Worse yet, you aren’t even willing to try to understand. And that, my dear, makes you  a colossal hypocrite.

She also posted this:

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I am so tired of people coming for me with this whole “White people being oppressive is only a problem in the United States because white people are being oppressed all over this world” bullshit. Sit the fuck down. You all are tired and sound the exact fucking same.

Prompting this response:

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You’re missing the point, jackass. That post referred strictly to the Sami. It had dick all to do with white people as a whole, or any supposed oppression they face (because, surprise — white people as a whole aren’t oppressed, in or out of the US). Quit trying to twist people’s words, admit you’re wrong, and apologize.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 23, 2014, 01:04:23 pm
It's funny how unaware tumblrites are of their American-centric attitudes. Like not even the right wing ones (who doesn't give a fuck about how things work outside of America) but the left wing tumblrs who try to be more socially aware. There was a post going around about a Muslim leader in Bangladesh slated to be executed for war crimes during the the  Bangladesh and Pakistan civil war. And the post made it appear as though he was being executed for being a Muslim and it was a case of western style Islamophobia. It's just that Bangladesh is currently a Muslim majority country and the man in question had authorized the rape and murder of Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists alike. Yet they still act as though it was White Americans mistreating Muslim Americans because they can't see how else it would work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 23, 2014, 05:36:42 pm
Yup, they're fundies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on January 23, 2014, 06:49:46 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on January 23, 2014, 01:04:23 pm
It's funny how unaware tumblrites are of their American-centric attitudes. Like not even the right wing ones (who doesn't give a fuck about how things work outside of America) but the left wing tumblrs who try to be more socially aware. There was a post going around about a Muslim leader in Bangladesh slated to be executed for war crimes during the the  Bangladesh and Pakistan civil war. And the post made it appear as though he was being executed for being a Muslim and it was a case of western style Islamophobia. It's just that Bangladesh is currently a Muslim majority country and the man in question had authorized the rape and murder of Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists alike. Yet they still act as though it was White Americans mistreating Muslim Americans because they can't see how else it would work.

It was Qadir Mollah - who was executed on 12 December 2013 for being war crimes/ crimes against humanity by the International War Crimes Tribunal (a misleading name because it was made up entirely of Bangladeshis and the Tribunal was comprised of 3 Bangladeshi Supreme Court Justices). The Tribunal was set up to try war crimes arising out of the 1971 liberation war - particularly crimes by Razakars. Razakars were Bangladeshi's who wanted to remain East Pakistan rather than an independent nation. They also assisted the Pakistani army in conducting brutal war crimes, mass rape, murder and destruction. Qadir Mollah was one of the leaders of the Razakars. While they did go in for a bit of ethnic cleansing - that is killing hindu men, women and children summarily - they also did that to most other Bangladeshis (90% of whom are sunni mulsim). They burnt whole villages which were suspected of housing freedom fighters and summarily executed those suspected of being freedom fighters. During the course of the 6 month war the Pakistani soldiers also rounded up and executed the academic  cream of Bangladesh designed solely to impede their future progress. Other highlights were the pakistani army rolling a tank through the capital city, Dhaka, indiscriminately firing at people and buildings.

As for Qadir Mollah there were some difficulties with the process (disregarding how you might feel about the death penalty) including a scandal about the Tribunal being pressured to reach a quick decision and the former chairman of the tribunal discussing the case with an ex-pat in brussells (although he subsequently stood down). There was also the issue that while Qadir Mollah was originally convicted his original sentence was life imprisonment which was then appealed to the Supreme Court and altered to the Death Penalty. There is also the issue that he was prior to his execution a high ranking member of Jamaat Islaami - the hard line islamic party in bangladesh - who are also pro-pakistan and basically the remnant of the Razakars. They are anti-women, anti education, anti-hindu/buddhist and basically a huge pack of cunts.

All of which conveniently forgets that Qadir Mollah basically put up no defence suggesting that he didnt do the things they accused him of and basically said I am an old man now and it was a long time ago so how about be nice. He almost certainly (fuck it certainly) did the things he was accused of. Those things are certainly war crimes and deserve the highest punishment available.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 23, 2014, 07:30:38 pm
To be fair to the person I quoted, she finally admitted she had misunderstood the OP and apologized. Always nice to see a happy ending instead of days of arguing until both sides are too drained to continue.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Radiation on January 23, 2014, 08:01:11 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/BN0BUEZ.png)

So I am not getting this, you say you have a tentacle kink but yet tentacles are what triggers you?

Oh wait you say it doesn't bother you if it's in writing. Still, I'm confused, shouldn't even written stuff trigger you. Also, how can you have a fear, whatever of something and still get turned on by it?

(Yeah this wasn't one of the best things I've seen but made me "WTF?") when I saw it.

To Antechrist: I never heard of the Sami until now. Hey I learned something!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 23, 2014, 08:01:58 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 23, 2014, 07:30:38 pm
To be fair to the person I quoted, she finally admitted she had misunderstood the OP and apologized. Always nice to see a happy ending instead of days of arguing until both sides are too drained to continue.

Yay, happy days!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 23, 2014, 10:31:25 pm
Quote from: Radiation on January 23, 2014, 08:01:11 pm
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So I am not getting this, you say you have a tentacle kink but yet tentacles are what triggers you?

Oh wait you say it doesn't bother you if it's in writing. Still, I'm confused, shouldn't even written stuff trigger you. Also, how can you have a fear, whatever of something and still get turned on by it?

(Yeah this wasn't one of the best things I've seen but made me "WTF?") when I saw it.

To be fair, the human mind is fucked up in so many ways, especially when it comes to what turns you on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 23, 2014, 11:03:39 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on January 23, 2014, 10:31:25 pm
Quote from: Radiation on January 23, 2014, 08:01:11 pm
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So I am not getting this, you say you have a tentacle kink but yet tentacles are what triggers you?

Oh wait you say it doesn't bother you if it's in writing. Still, I'm confused, shouldn't even written stuff trigger you. Also, how can you have a fear, whatever of something and still get turned on by it?

(Yeah this wasn't one of the best things I've seen but made me "WTF?") when I saw it.

To be fair, the human mind is fucked up in so many ways, especially when it comes to what turns you on.

Yeah, it's actually not that unusual for trauma and other mental hangups to be expressed through fetishes. The human mind is chalk full of contradictions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 23, 2014, 11:05:06 pm
I just can't think of anything that would cause a fetish AND PTSD regarding tentacles without picturing a hilarious incident involving octopi at a restaurant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on January 23, 2014, 11:10:48 pm
I'd say it was more likely to happen at an aquarium and involve a petting tank.

The human mind is a weird, weird thing. I have a friend who was molested as a child. She has a disturbingly graphic rape fetish. She says it helps her cope to have control of the situation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 23, 2014, 11:36:43 pm
Quote from: Wrightway on January 23, 2014, 11:10:48 pm
I'd say it was more likely to happen at an aquarium and involve a petting tank.

The human mind is a weird, weird thing. I have a friend who was molested as a child. She has a disturbingly graphic rape fetish. She says it helps her cope to have control of the situation.

Somehow, I don't think it's a very good coping method.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on January 24, 2014, 09:12:06 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 23, 2014, 11:36:43 pm
Quote from: Wrightway on January 23, 2014, 11:10:48 pm
I'd say it was more likely to happen at an aquarium and involve a petting tank.

The human mind is a weird, weird thing. I have a friend who was molested as a child. She has a disturbingly graphic rape fetish. She says it helps her cope to have control of the situation.

Somehow, I don't think it's a very good coping method.
It can be. It helps you relive the situation, but with nearly complete control over it (since it's in the bedroom with your SO, and aren't actually going to get raped.) In a way, you're "reclaiming" what happened.

It does work for certain persons. Not for others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on January 24, 2014, 11:19:13 am
Oh, yeah. The classic tentacle kink. It's our fault, mostly. When the United States occupied Japan after World War II, there were restrictions, even outright bans of erotic material until we left. Not only does that explain what genitalia (more specifically, the ridges of the glans penis, urethral ducts, clitorises and open vaginas) are censored in Japanese pornography, but also the strange thing with tentacles... because they resemble genitalia and they don't have "offending" parts.

Yeah, blame Cracked.com, which I got most of this from.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 24, 2014, 03:33:05 pm
Yeah it's only one of the most famous pictures of hentai in history.

Ironbite-THANKS FORTRESS IRONHOLD!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 24, 2014, 03:36:50 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on January 24, 2014, 11:19:13 am
Oh, yeah. The classic tentacle kink. It's our fault, mostly. When the United States occupied Japan after World War II, there were restrictions, even outright bans of erotic material until we left. Not only does that explain what genitalia (more specifically, the ridges of the glans penis, urethral ducts, clitorises and open vaginas) are censored in Japanese pornography, but also the strange thing with tentacles... because they resemble genitalia and they don't have "offending" parts.

Yeah, blame Cracked.com, which I got most of this from.

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Tentacle porn existed long before the US occupation of Japan.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 24, 2014, 07:32:43 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 24, 2014, 03:33:05 pm
Ironbite-THANKS FORTRESS IRONHOLD!

Harsh, mate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 26, 2014, 04:05:53 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/bymszmS.png)

Johnny Depp? Keanu Reeves? Brad Pitt? George Clooney? Stephen Colbert? Paul Mcgann?  Hugh Jackman? Robert Downey Jr? Jared Leto?

No you guys are totally right. There is no such thing as a handsome middle aged white man.

I wonder how many of these blogs claim to be "body positive?" Total hypocrites.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 26, 2014, 04:09:44 pm
Wow, so he put on a tiny bit of weight and his hair is a little grayer.  So what?

Those people are shallow.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 26, 2014, 04:19:06 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on January 26, 2014, 04:09:44 pm
Those people are shallow.
And I bet they claim to be so above it all...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on January 26, 2014, 04:21:42 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 26, 2014, 04:19:06 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on January 26, 2014, 04:09:44 pm
Those people are shallow.
And I bet they claim to be so above it all...

Probably so.

I mean, you think I'm an SJW?  These people are definitely along the lines of Social Justice Crusaders.  And I mean that in the worst sense of the word "Crusader".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 26, 2014, 04:23:29 pm
So these folks (and I'm familiar with them, and I think I put that wanobi character on block) are body positive when it comes to their own bodies but not body positive when it comes to other people's body?

That's completely ignoring that people "age" at different rates depending on their social conditions. These people are completely unaware of their social privileges if they (I've haven't seen their faces so I'm just assuming) haven't "aged" (and since most of them are twenty something or younger of course they haven't they're in their prime).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 26, 2014, 04:43:22 pm
Jared Leto might not even be human with how little he's aged. The guy is a few years from being halfway to 100 and he looks slightly older than me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 26, 2014, 05:31:13 pm
heck, look at Stallone.  Nearly 70 and still looks like he could kick the shit out of folks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 26, 2014, 11:31:16 pm
Really?  Near 70?  He's held up well. 

As far as all the ageism goes, I think it sucks majorly, but I remember a saying from my past that I've come to find very true (at least for me):  The older I get, the older 'old' is."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 26, 2014, 11:54:30 pm
This is one of my status updates about the Grammys tonight:

Ringo Starr: 73 years old, looks 55, sings like he's 67.

Paul McCartney: 71 years old, looks like a melting wax statue, sings like he's slightly confused.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on January 26, 2014, 11:59:59 pm
I have a few things to say about the Tumblr post thingy:

1.  Who the heck is the fella pictured?  Am I the only one who doesn't recognize him, or is anybody else who doesn't just afraid to ask?
2.  Is it just me, or is Tumblr just a wee bit too obsessed with pointing out that he's a white guy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 27, 2014, 12:03:10 am
I saw a picture on Tumblr of a woman carrying an Abercrombie and Fitch bag portraying a shirtless, muscular young man (like most / all of their bags).

Tags included fatshaming and fatphobia.

All that was in the photo was just a woman carrying a bag.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 27, 2014, 12:08:30 am
Quote from: Captain Jack Harkness on January 26, 2014, 11:59:59 pm
I have a few things to say about the Tumblr post thingy:

1.  Who the heck is the fella pictured?  Am I the only one who doesn't recognize him, or is anybody else who doesn't just afraid to ask?
2.  Is it just me, or is Tumblr just a wee bit too obsessed with pointing out that he's a white guy?

1. Brendan Fraser.

2. It's not just you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 27, 2014, 12:09:00 am
Quote from: Captain Jack Harkness on January 26, 2014, 11:59:59 pm
I have a few things to say about the Tumblr post thingy:

1.  Who the heck is the fella pictured?  Am I the only one who doesn't recognize him, or is anybody else who doesn't just afraid to ask?
2.  Is it just me, or is Tumblr just a wee bit too obsessed with pointing out that he's a white guy?

Umm... I could be wrong as I pay very little attention to the whole celeb scene and sometimes confuse names and faces.  Brendon Frasier, I think.

And I was ninja'd by the Sigma. :p  Boy did I butcher Fraser's name.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 27, 2014, 12:10:33 am
Let's play "Guess the age".

(http://i42.tinypic.com/294mdk9.jpg)

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(The ultimate "Hey, it's that guy!")
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 27, 2014, 12:15:39 am
I'm really really close to posting hawt photos of half naked older men. . .

Screw it, here's a model, middle age and "old" looking.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/42a412ee614fcc343ec5e9123048e0d0/tumblr_ml0mywu2eq1rltn2po1_1280.jpg)

I've seen young people who looks "old" too. They were of all racial background, and they live in harsh conditions such as being migrant workers or homelessness. Perhaps they should think about that.

Then there is subjectivity. I'm in my middle twenties. I may look "young" but compare me to my high school photos and you'll readily see that I ain't no ageless young'un. We age differently. Even the supposedly ageless men of color age too. Usher is still a hot man but he isn't 100% the same Usher from the 90s.

People have all sorts of preferences. Some people like the bear look and some like twinks. Some people like it all. I sometime think these tumblr personalities thinks they're gods or something; they're always above being criticize but they'll criticize ever nitpicking things about other people. That's not social justice, that's egotism. For as much as I loath the anti-SJ crowd who bitch that people are "obsessed" with race, or the anti-SJ crowd who tone troll people, I also loath taking something as trivial as how a person age and making it social justice.

Sum: I'm still that "race obsessed SJW" who see racism in many things. How one looks while aging is not one of those thing (unless we're talking about health discrepancies among older people of difference races which could alter a person appearance as they age, which the OP was definitely not doing.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 27, 2014, 01:24:48 am
Quote from: The Doctor on January 26, 2014, 11:31:16 pm
Really?  Near 70?  He's held up well. 

As far as all the ageism goes, I think it sucks majorly, but I remember a saying from my past that I've come to find very true (at least for me):  The older I get, the older 'old' is."

He was 68 when Expendables 2 was filming, and that was a while back...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on January 27, 2014, 02:22:22 am
Quote from: niam2023 on January 27, 2014, 12:03:10 am
I saw a picture on Tumblr of a woman carrying an Abercrombie and Fitch bag portraying a shirtless, muscular young man (like most / all of their bags).

Tags included fatshaming and fatphobia.

All that was in the photo was just a woman carrying a bag.

Was that the post where they had a very clothed woman and an overtly sexualized, mostly naked man? The one that asked how would men feel if they were posed in magazines like women are?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 27, 2014, 02:54:45 am
Back to that picture complaining about white men becoming ugly as they age:

Were those people really social justice warriors? Because I thought that group is usually against racism and that whole conversations sounded racist. In fact, aren't SJW's the ones who complain about "fetishising" (I'm pretty sure that is not how that word should be spelled...) groups and ethnicities?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on January 27, 2014, 03:13:26 am
Quote from: askold on January 27, 2014, 02:54:45 am
Back to that picture complaining about white men becoming ugly as they age:

Were those people really social justice warriors? Because I thought that group is usually against racism and that whole conversations sounded racist. In fact, aren't SJW's the ones who complain about "fetishising" (I'm pretty sure that is not how that word should be spelled...) groups and ethnicities?
They are SJC (social justice crusaders). Basically, they are to Social Justice what radfems are to feminism : people who grab the ball and run too far with it, to the point where they end up as racist (or more) as those they were originally trying to denounce.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 27, 2014, 03:16:45 am
There's a tendency within certain segments of Tumblr's SJ community to insult white people's looks, aging, cultural practices, etc. as some kind of payback for white-centric beauty ideals and the like, or to claim that it's "satire" when called out on it. Mind you, I don't really have an issue with legitimate satire (i.e., there's a clear underlying message to what's being said), but it's pretty easy to spot the difference between between that and someone backpedaling after being called out on being a dick.

For those who don't see that difference...

Legit satire: Satirizing white-centric beauty ideals by writing a faux article providing white women with advice on how to look "prettier", with all of the outcomes resulting in them minimizing features commonly associated with Caucasians (mimicking the beauty advice given to women from other races in the real world).

Not satire: Straight up saying all white women are ugly in casual conversation, and then claiming it's satire when someone points out that you're being a dick.

Which isn't to say that some idiots hating on white people's looks on Tumblr is as significant a social issue as the white-centric beauty ideals being perpetuated all day, every day, but this kind of behavior is still 100% assholeish and ultimately counterproductive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 27, 2014, 10:44:35 am
It's sadly very common for members of the oppressed or minority group (or groups that THINK they're oppressed minorities) to respond to bigotry and oppression by trying to oppress the other guys as payback. Instead of actually striving for equality like they claim, they demand that THEY be put in power and get to oppress everyone else in revenge.

I nearly got into a Facebook argument during the Grammys last night over Macklemore. A girl shoved her way into someone else's status (where he was doing his "live Tweeting" until his Twitter came back up) to essentially demand that he be booted out and stopped given attention because, as a white straight man, he's not allowed to stand up for gay rights. Of course, after responding to my reply she immediately declared "I don't want to hijack this so I'm ending the argument here", so she could end with the last word and make me look like an asshole if I replied.

What she didn't realize is just how divisive this turns the fight for equal rights. A straight white man works his way from slacking and poverty, forms an independent record label, achieves massive success as an independent artist instead of letting himself be tooled around by a record company, acknowledges his privileges, and tries to use his newfound fame and fortune to help the new civil rights movement.....and he gets shouted down because he's not gay? That does the exact opposite of helping: not only does it divide the gay rights movement by starting fights with its supporters for gaining too much prominence, but it makes the supporters of the movement look unreasonable and mean.

This is where someone would usually come in and talk about how Macklemore is only getting his prominence because he's straight and all the gay rappers are being "silenced" (never mind that Macklemore is, again, an independent artist who cultivated fame himself rather than needing a corporate leg-up like the vast majority of other popular artists out there). But that's exactly what Macklemore is trying to fight. A big part of his motivation is the homophobia in the hip-hop community that keeps gay and transsexual rappers from being heard. "Same Love" talks about that exact problem, and he's been fighting to ensure that it stops happening.

Frankly, we should be fucking ecstatic that an extremely prominent and popular rapper is loudly and publicly crusading for equality and trying to help the voices of the oppressed peoples be heard, rather than just making token efforts or saying something stupid (*coughBillyCoogancough*).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 27, 2014, 01:48:06 pm
Quote from: Wrightway on January 27, 2014, 02:22:22 am
Quote from: niam2023 on January 27, 2014, 12:03:10 am
I saw a picture on Tumblr of a woman carrying an Abercrombie and Fitch bag portraying a shirtless, muscular young man (like most / all of their bags).

Tags included fatshaming and fatphobia.

All that was in the photo was just a woman carrying a bag.

Was that the post where they had a very clothed woman and an overtly sexualized, mostly naked man? The one that asked how would men feel if they were posed in magazines like women are?

No, it was just one or two people walking, one of them carrying an A&F bag. And tagged with Fatshaming and Fatphobia.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 28, 2014, 01:21:43 am
The right to marry not only symbolically important, but it allots legal stability to the couple and to their offspring. Radicals I swear, y'all look too far you can't see what's in front of you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 28, 2014, 01:26:55 am
State-sponsored discrimination implicitly condones casual discrimination, so I'd say that overthrowing it is pretty fucking important.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 28, 2014, 01:39:27 am
I'm not fond of being a mouthpiece for all queer people (which I end up being half the time anyway), but I'm going to say that most if not all queer folk want normal lives. Almost nobody wants to spend their entire life dismantling the patriarchy, and it's even kind of sad that convincing cis folk/straight folk that, yes, trans folk/gay folk are human beings deserving of the same rights and freedoms other people get handed as a matter of course. Yes, there will be people who choose to devote their time to smashing the patriarchy, but that's not everyone's cup of tea, and it doesn't have to be.
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Personally, I think that a much bigger problem than "we're getting the wrong rights!" is "we have to be spoken for by white straight cis makes in order for anyone to pay attention". I'd like to see more famous, visible GLBTA* folks speaking on behalf of the group of which they are a part, rather than having allies steal the show every damn time. (I'd also like to see fewer white people talk about race and fewer men talk about abortion, but that's a rant for another thread). Notice I'm not saying "if you aren't X you have nothing valuable to say", I'm saying "it'd be awesome if more Xs were more visible on topics concerning Xs". Allies are valuable, but they're the stagehands of the social justice movement. They're responsible for making sure the actors -the people they're supporting- get a chance to shine.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 28, 2014, 01:41:45 am
Government recognized marriage would be unnecessary if we lived in a world where our lives weren't governed by legal rights pertaining to family members and spouses, but unless these people are expecting a sudden, radical change in the way society is organized (and expecting that such an anarchist society could even function), marriage rights are pretty damn necessary. Not to mention the depth with which marriage is engrained into our culture, which pretty much dooms any alternative names ("life time partnership", etc.) to second-class treatment.

It's lovely to speculate about how things should be, but in the real world, you often have to work with what you have if you actually want to make some progress.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 28, 2014, 01:50:27 am
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on January 28, 2014, 01:39:27 am
I'm not fond of being a mouthpiece for all queer people (which I end up being half the time anyway), but I'm going to say that most if not all queer folk want normal lives. Almost nobody wants to spend their entire life dismantling the patriarchy, and it's even kind of sad that convincing cis folk/straight folk that, yes, trans folk/gay folk are human beings deserving of the same rights and freedoms other people get handed as a matter of course. Yes, there will be people who choose to devote their time to smashing the patriarchy, but that's not everyone's cup of tea, and it doesn't have to be.
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Personally, I think that a much bigger problem than "we're getting the wrong rights!" is "we have to be spoken for by white straight cis makes in order for anyone to pay attention". I'd like to see more famous, visible GLBTA* folks speaking on behalf of the group of which they are a part, rather than having allies steal the show every damn time. (I'd also like to see fewer white people talk about race and fewer men talk about abortion, but that's a rant for another thread). Notice I'm not saying "if you aren't X you have nothing valuable to say", I'm saying "it'd be awesome if more Xs were more visible on topics concerning Xs". Allies are valuable, but they're the stagehands of the social justice movement. They're responsible for making sure the actors -the people they're supporting- get a chance to shine.

Well "normal" is relative. I'll give radical queers a bone in that they have a very strong point when they say much of the mainstream queer movement is too focused on assimilation and forget our radical roots (like uprising). It does erase the fact we literally fought tooth and nail to get where we are. Where they are wrong is in believing we're all suppose to be 100% "radical" 100% of the time and wanting to enjoy life is somehow "turning your back on the community". First, queer relationship is radical. It's been radical. It's a thing to be able to walk our holding our lovers hand in public because there was (and still is in some places) a time where such thing could get you mugged. Even Stonewall rioters thought the ability to slow dance was a radical thing and act of rebellion. Who is to say that starting a happy family isn't a rebellion? There are people who'd sooner see us gutted in the gutter than see us be in a happy marriage. Second, not everyone has the ability to be 100% all the time. Just as we shouldn't belittle queers for being "against" the norm, we shouldn't belittle queers who fly under the radars.

We sure as hell can belittle queers who throw the rest of us under the bus to line their pockets though. *looks at Log Cabin*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 28, 2014, 09:10:47 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 26, 2014, 04:05:53 pm
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Johnny Depp? Keanu Reeves? Brad Pitt? George Clooney? Stephen Colbert? Paul Mcgann?  Hugh Jackman? Robert Downey Jr? Jared Leto?

No you guys are totally right. There is no such thing as a handsome middle aged white man.

I wonder how many of these blogs claim to be "body positive?" Total hypocrites.

R. Lee Ermey?  Okay, he may have been born at around 50 or so.
How about for the ultimate lady-killing older gentlemen?

(http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/sean-connery/sean-connery-20070107-195108.jpg)

Fuck all y'all ageist pricks, Sean Connery is a sexy man at 83.  If I were gay, I'd be gay for Connery.  Well, him or George Takei.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 28, 2014, 09:42:11 am
I feel bad for laughing at "white folk truly age like unrefrigerated milk".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 28, 2014, 10:04:10 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 27, 2014, 03:16:45 am
There's a tendency within certain segments of Tumblr's SJ community to insult white people's looks, aging, cultural practices, etc. as some kind of payback for white-centric beauty ideals and the like, or to claim that it's "satire" when called out on it. Mind you, I don't really have an issue with legitimate satire (i.e., there's a clear underlying message to what's being said), but it's pretty easy to spot the difference between between that and someone backpedaling after being called out on being a dick.

For those who don't see that difference...

Legit satire: Satirizing white-centric beauty ideals by writing a faux article providing white women with advice on how to look "prettier", with all of the outcomes resulting in them minimizing features commonly associated with Caucasians (mimicking the beauty advice given to women from other races in the real world).

Not satire: Straight up saying all white women are ugly in casual conversation, and then claiming it's satire when someone points out that you're being a dick.

Which isn't to say that some idiots hating on white people's looks on Tumblr is as significant a social issue as the white-centric beauty ideals being perpetuated all day, every day, but this kind of behavior is still 100% assholeish and ultimately counterproductive.
Bonus points for said SJW being whiter than cream cheese.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on January 29, 2014, 01:25:05 pm
White people don't age well?

(http://i3.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/article1532225.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/John%20Barrowman-1532225)
John Barrowman
Age: 46

(http://media.salon.com/2013/09/tv-graduate-day.jpeg-620x412.jpg)
Sir Patrick Stewart
Age: 73

So suck it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 29, 2014, 03:02:32 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/35N1QEk.png)

You do realize girlfriend was originally a word to describe a female friend, right?

(http://i.imgur.com/OFr1Xjm.png)

Congratulations! You managed to offend people of all sexual orientations, races, and gender identities in one.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZaVnmIu.png)

You're joking right?

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on January 29, 2014, 03:06:27 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 29, 2014, 03:02:32 pm
You're joking right?

He is. Notice the (sarc) right before the hashtag.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 29, 2014, 04:01:49 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 29, 2014, 03:02:32 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/OFr1Xjm.png)

Congratulations! You managed to offend people of all sexual orientations, races, and gender identities in one.

Epitome of special snowflakes though. They either think being of another race gives them cool points or being oppressed gives them cool point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on January 29, 2014, 04:08:47 pm
Funny how if you go too extreme in one direction, you end up circling back around. Rational social justice advocates usually fight against racists' assertions that blacks' and whites' brains work differently. Then SJWs come along and agree with the racists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on January 29, 2014, 04:18:24 pm
Quote from: JohnE on January 29, 2014, 04:08:47 pm
Funny how if you go too extreme in one direction, you end up circling back around. Rational social justice advocates usually fight against racists' assertions that blacks' and whites' brains work differently. Then SJWs come along and agree with the racists.

Tumblr loves to attract blindly stupid extremes. It is like that time when a non-neural-typical person claimed that neuraltypical men of color can't be oppressed cause we have ableism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on January 29, 2014, 07:08:45 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/a7071d68a256ad8b40eb95c73faf8057/tumblr_n051d1NRv01ryeto5o1_500.jpg)

Because the best way to deal with problems is being vague and passive aggressive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 29, 2014, 08:15:57 pm
Damn skippy!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 30, 2014, 12:56:17 am
My paternal grandfather did something like that, but he was awesome.

He had his hip and then knee replaced in the late 80s and early 90s, so he had a handicap sticker on his car. Nothing bothered him more before OR after that than people parking in those spaces who didn't have permits and didn't need them. He used to put notes under some of their windshields but eventually just got business cards made that said, basically, 'You have parked in a designated handicap space without the appropriate permit. These are reserved, by law, for unfortunate people who need the proximity. This makes you illegal, rude, stupid, and an ASSHOLE.'

One day he put one under the windshield wiper of a standard Penis Compensation Truck and when Gramps was warming his own car up to go home, the owner of the truck came back and he was a big mean-looking guy who found the business card, read it, and threw a temper tantrum in the car park about it. My poor grandfather said he'd never felt quite so vindicated and scared at the same time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on January 31, 2014, 07:14:48 am
Quote from: Caitshidhe on January 30, 2014, 12:56:17 am
My paternal grandfather did something like that, but he was awesome.

He had his hip and then knee replaced in the late 80s and early 90s, so he had a handicap sticker on his car. Nothing bothered him more before OR after that than people parking in those spaces who didn't have permits and didn't need them. He used to put notes under some of their windshields but eventually just got business cards made that said, basically, 'You have parked in a designated handicap space without the appropriate permit. These are reserved, by law, for unfortunate people who need the proximity. This makes you illegal, rude, stupid, and an ASSHOLE.'

One day he put one under the windshield wiper of a standard Penis Compensation Truck and when Gramps was warming his own car up to go home, the owner of the truck came back and he was a big mean-looking guy who found the business card, read it, and threw a temper tantrum in the car park about it. My poor grandfather said he'd never felt quite so vindicated and scared at the same time.

Your grandfather sounds AWESOME.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 31, 2014, 04:12:57 pm
He was an awesome guy. I really wish that I could've known him as an adult, but he died when I was seventeen. But I guess I got a better deal than the rest of my cousins--most of them were under ten at the time and so they don't really remember him at all. At least I was at that age where he felt comfortable not watching what he said around me. Which is how I found out that he and his buddies once accidentally rented a house that used to be a brothel and had to move out soon after because men were knocking on the windows all night looking for the girls.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 31, 2014, 06:44:06 pm
Quote
The “zoophile rights day” 2014

Since July 2013, zoosexual acts have been outlawed in Germany. This change in the law occured due to the effort of radical pseudo animal-rights activists that associated Zoophilia with animal cruelty, and the overburdened politicans who accepted those beliefs.

On the 8th of January 2014 the German government spokesman Steffen Seibert said: “We are living in a country where nobody should be afraid to admit their sexuality only because of fear of intolerance.““

The law’s impact is much more extensive than just a fine for sexual contact with animals; it affects all zoophiles. We are made to fear temporary “impoundment” of our partners if we come out or are exposed by others – unfortunately this has already happened. The animal’s and partner’s traumatization because of these incidents – even the ongoing fear of such an event – itself constitutes a considerable discrimination against people because of their sexual orientation.

There are many reasons against a general prohibition of sexual contacts between humans and animals. We introduced them all prior to that law, but nobody wanted to hear us.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 31, 2014, 08:14:18 pm
Please be a Poe please be a Poe please be a Poe please please please be a Poe...

Regardless of its Poe status, I predict at least one conservatard is going to blame TEH GAYYS!!!1!eleven!!! for this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 31, 2014, 08:54:50 pm
Hate to break it to you, but whether that particular post is a Poe or not is sort of immaterial because there are a whole lot of people who just enjoy making love to animals who argue that bestiality or 'zoophilia' or whatever they want to call it is just as much of a right as are gay rights and sticking it in a dog should totally be their right and it's not harmful at all to the animal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 31, 2014, 10:23:05 pm
I did some digging and found an interesting point, in a stopped-clock way: lots of beastiality porn features people being mounted and penetrated by animals, rather than the opposite. While the "informed" part of "informed consent" isn't there, it's reasonable to say that the animal is participating and not being victimized.

I need a shower and enough vodka to forget my mother's maiden name.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on January 31, 2014, 10:52:27 pm
I've seen that argument used before. It doesn't really hold water considering how undiscerning animals are about what they'll mount. Our Lemur-kitty will hump shoes and blankets if he thinks he can get away with it. A male animal doesn't always care what he's sticking it in as long as he's sticking it in SOMETHING, and a 'bestial enthusiast' is just taking advantage of that.

I think. Probably. I dunno, I could be wrong, but it's still yecky.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 01, 2014, 01:38:36 am
I don't think there's a straightforward answer when it comes to animals doing the penetrating. The animal isn't being physically harmed (or if they are, it's obviously wrong) and they're not going to suffer psychological trauma in the way humans do (highly intelligent animals like apes might be an exception to some small degree, though again, I doubt any psychological effects would come close to the profound PTSD experienced by humans). That said, informed consent is still going to be an issue. There's also concern about zoonotic diseases, but that opens the whole "well what about humans spreading disease to each other, which is much more likely?" can of worms.

Humans penetrating animals, however, is straight up immoral.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on February 01, 2014, 02:09:54 am
*stretches hand out* Ehh...

*stretches hand out with a foot long stick* Ehhhhh...

*stretches hand out with a ten foot long stick* Ehhhh-- *drops stick* Whoops.

Nope, I can't touch this subject.  Not even with a ten foot long stick.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 01, 2014, 02:38:29 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on February 01, 2014, 02:09:54 am
*stretches hand out* Ehh...

*stretches hand out with a foot long stick* Ehhhhh...

*stretches hand out with a ten foot long stick* Ehhhh-- *drops stick* Whoops.

Nope, I can't touch this subject.  Not even with a ten foot long stick.
*breaks your arm*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 01, 2014, 09:11:40 am
Hm...nope, still wrong, even if its the animal doing the penetrating.  You're tricking the animal into fucking you, which is no better in my eyes than...forcing the issue upon the poor thing.  It still involves an animal, which still can't give consent, which is still unbelievably fucked up and yes, ought to be illegal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 01, 2014, 09:36:54 am
Being that the morality isn't exactly clear-cut, I'd say that people shouldn't have sex with animals under any circumstances, but having the animal do the penetrating isn't remotely comparable to raping a person and shouldn't carry anywhere near the same penalties.

Let's all agree that the idea of people doing anything sexual with animals is squicky as hell.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 01, 2014, 09:50:42 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 01, 2014, 09:36:54 am
Being that the morality isn't exactly clear-cut, I'd say that people shouldn't have sex with animals under any circumstances, but having the animal do the penetrating isn't remotely comparable to raping a person and shouldn't carry anywhere near the same penalties.

Let's all agree that the idea of people doing anything sexual with animals is squicky as hell.

Aye, though I'm mostly saying that it doesn't matter who's doing the penetrating, if one is engaging in sexual activity with an animal, it should be a punishable offense.  Not as bad as rape against a fellow human, but worthy of a good, hard, legal kick in the groin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 01, 2014, 10:04:30 am
Eh, I'm starting to get a bit squicked out by this subject, so let's just agree that zoophiles should stick to their fantasies and toys, and leave real animals alone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 01, 2014, 11:30:57 am
There are many cases of severely mentally limited patients being sexually exploited by institution staff. Implied consent not possible there, too. Pederasts are equivalent to them. People who sexually exploit/rape animals objectify them, people who sexually exploit/rape children objectify them, people who sexually exploit/rape mentally disabled persons objectify them. All of these exploiters and abusers are sociopaths. They are predators and need to go away.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on February 01, 2014, 12:09:53 pm
Consent cannot be established between animals and humans, no matter how intelligent the animal may be. Their mode of thought is not very understood. And I just want to quote this from my German friend regarding German sex laws started by the Nazi:

Quote
§175 criminalised male homosexual acts (in §175a) and bestiality (in §175b). The latter was repealed without a substitution in 1969.

It's saying bestiality was legalized before homosexuality. Wasn't completely repeal for much much later. Yes, there are places in the world where it's more okay to fuck an animal than to be gay. So I grow weary of people trying to compare zoophilia with LGBTQ.

Now as Antichrist says this subject is getting squicky real fast.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on February 01, 2014, 04:57:25 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/8f58cb1ff6d6d356dc5c2658dfa208df/tumblr_mtb0wcxT7Q1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/PEkBoao.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 01, 2014, 05:11:45 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f56823ff54fdea0003e5a88e601e7548/tumblr_n08sjk0BM21ryeto5o1_1280.png)

What is this I don't even.......
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 01, 2014, 06:10:27 pm
Oh now, anypony can figure those out. <snark>.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 01, 2014, 06:13:53 pm
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 01, 2014, 05:11:45 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f56823ff54fdea0003e5a88e601e7548/tumblr_n08sjk0BM21ryeto5o1_1280.png)

What is this I don't even.......
Let me guess, a "transspecies" person wrote that...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 01, 2014, 07:19:44 pm
I believe they like to call themselves "Otherkin"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on February 01, 2014, 07:39:14 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 01, 2014, 09:11:40 am
Hm...nope, still wrong, even if its the animal doing the penetrating.  You're tricking the animal into fucking you, which is no better in my eyes than...forcing the issue upon the poor thing.  It still involves an animal, which still can't give consent, which is still unbelievably fucked up and yes, ought to be illegal.
So, how does semen collection for livestock A.I. figure into this notion? It's literally jerking off animals for profit so it lacks the sexual squickness, but it is still doing basically the same thing to the animal that having sex with it does.

I went to a university that was an Ag. college as well and ended up learning far more about this sort of thing hanging out with farm kids then I ever wanted too. As a result part of my brain went "well, what about..." The other part of my brain, the one that went "Eww,. No. Gross. Don't go there, your hurting me." thought I should spread the joy.

Sorry. :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 01, 2014, 08:21:54 pm
I think this is one of those situations where context and intent is hugely important. Jacking off a horse/bull/whathaveyou to collect its semen for AI? Yeah, that's gross but it's not morally wrong. There's some other factor besides "I just really get off from it": maybe you're having the sperm frozen and shipped across the country because it's easier to more than the whole animal. Jacking off a horse/bull/whathaveyou and doing... other things with the semen (I remember a story about a guy who loved to drink horse splooge especially after he'd dipped his dick in it, contact Encyclopedia Dramatica for more into and your local bartender for brain bleach)? Yeah, that's both gross and morally wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 01, 2014, 09:51:46 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 01, 2014, 06:13:53 pm
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 01, 2014, 05:11:45 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f56823ff54fdea0003e5a88e601e7548/tumblr_n08sjk0BM21ryeto5o1_1280.png)

What is this I don't even.......
Let me guess, a "transspecies" person wrote that...

I dunno but probably.

Dakota Bob: they also sometimes call themselves 'trans species' since I guess they figure it gives them more credence than 'otherkin'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 01, 2014, 09:53:54 pm
So... sexual desires are somehow inherently worse than the desire to cut costs when breeding animals? How does the intent of the guy jerking off the horse in any way alter the impact it has on the actual animal? I mean, if it's the actual animal we're concerned about here, and not just protecting our own delicate sensibilities, shouldn't we be basing this on the harm it does to them versus our own ideas concerning abstract concepts like "intent"? 'cause I seriously doubt the horse cares why it's being jerked off.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 02, 2014, 10:22:42 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 01, 2014, 09:53:54 pm
So... sexual desires are somehow inherently worse than the desire to cut costs when breeding animals?

I...well...yes.  Seriously, is that post just you taking the piss?  Please tell me you're taking the piss.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 02, 2014, 11:51:06 am
It would be less gross and awkward for both the animal and the care taker, and maybe kinder to the male animal whose sperm is being harvested, if they used a female animal analog dummy with the collection vial inside it. That is actually done in some circumstances.

If we're going to continue keeping animals in zoos and trying to breed the most efficiently productive meat animals, we're gonna have to accept that we do odd things to animals to maintain those activities. Treating those animals with as much respect for their well being as is possible is the ethical course to take.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on February 02, 2014, 01:27:42 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on February 02, 2014, 11:51:06 am
It would be less gross and awkward for both the animal and the care taker, and maybe kinder to the male animal whose sperm is being harvested, if they used a female animal analog dummy with the collection vial inside it. That is actually done in some circumstances.

And considering what the current discussion is about, I'm suddenly reminded of Pasiphaë, the mother of the minotaur, and the method of how she became the mother of the minotaur.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 02, 2014, 02:11:46 pm
Actually, Antechrist is raising some good points about the decisions we make. Is the view against bestiality and zoophilia due to it being harmful to the animal 100% of the time? A lot of the potential actions involved in it aren't harmful to the animal at all, and some cases (like going all Catherine the Great) are more harmful to the human. Some things in bestiality are almost identical to what is done to gather sperm from the animals for scientific reasons, with the intent being what makes it different. In which case, you have to admit that you're only wanting to make it illegal because you basically find it creepy. And you can't really say that the animals suffer psychological scarring; their brains operate on an entirely different level from ours, and an animal's idea of sexuality and sexual intercourse is nothing like our own.

So the big question is whether we're trying to make it illegal due to it actually being a 100% harmful act, or because it offends our moral sensibilities. I think the answer starts to become a bit more clear when people want to shift the subject away from the discussion because they find it "too creepy".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 02, 2014, 03:15:07 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/ufjoF5x.jpg)

How very compassionate of you.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f56823ff54fdea0003e5a88e601e7548/tumblr_n08sjk0BM21ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Do they not realize how insulting this can? be to trans people?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 02, 2014, 04:06:28 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 02, 2014, 03:15:07 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/ufjoF5x.jpg)

How very compassionate of you.

Because animals never kill other animals.  It'd be like the bullshit Garden of Eden without us humans going around fucking and killing.

Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f56823ff54fdea0003e5a88e601e7548/tumblr_n08sjk0BM21ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Do they not realize how insulting this can? be to trans people?

If they do, they don't care.  Transsexuals are oppressive because their problems are real, and not in the realm of quasi-intellectual hob-knobbery.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 02, 2014, 04:22:04 pm
Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f56823ff54fdea0003e5a88e601e7548/tumblr_n08sjk0BM21ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/4RJ6znY.png)
Wow okay, so pretending you're an animal is totes a serious issue now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on February 02, 2014, 04:35:27 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 02, 2014, 03:15:07 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/ufjoF5x.jpg)
I hope this bitch ends up homeless for a few months. Then she'll be eating her words...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 02, 2014, 04:59:55 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on February 02, 2014, 04:22:04 pm
Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f56823ff54fdea0003e5a88e601e7548/tumblr_n08sjk0BM21ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/4RJ6znY.png)
Wow okay, so pretending you're an animal is totes a serious issue now?

*fistbumps Dakota* Bunnie is best Freedom Fighter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 02, 2014, 06:20:15 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on February 02, 2014, 02:11:46 pm
Actually, Antechrist is raising some good points about the decisions we make. Is the view against bestiality and zoophilia due to it being harmful to the animal 100% of the time? A lot of the potential actions involved in it aren't harmful to the animal at all, and some cases (like going all Catherine the Great) are more harmful to the human. Some things in bestiality are almost identical to what is done to gather sperm from the animals for scientific reasons, with the intent being what makes it different. In which case, you have to admit that you're only wanting to make it illegal because you basically find it creepy. And you can't really say that the animals suffer psychological scarring; their brains operate on an entirely different level from ours, and an animal's idea of sexuality and sexual intercourse is nothing like our own.

So the big question is whether we're trying to make it illegal due to it actually being a 100% harmful act, or because it offends our moral sensibilities. I think the answer starts to become a bit more clear when people want to shift the subject away from the discussion because they find it "too creepy".

Pretty much this. I don't believe this is the great civil rights issue of our time nor am I particularly invested in whether or not we let some guy jerk off a horse for sexual gratitude, but it's difficult to ignore the questionable nature of the arguments being made for why one intent is okay while another isn't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 02, 2014, 06:27:10 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 02, 2014, 04:06:28 pm

Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f56823ff54fdea0003e5a88e601e7548/tumblr_n08sjk0BM21ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Do they not realize how insulting this can? be to trans people?

If they do, they don't care.  Transsexuals are oppressive because their problems are real, and not in the realm of quasi-intellectual hob-knobbery.

They've actually claimed before that transsexual people have privilege over 'otherkin' because there is no such thing as 'species reassignment surgery'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 02, 2014, 06:28:03 pm
Pretty sure no one is beating up and murdering otherkin for merely existing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 02, 2014, 07:22:28 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on February 02, 2014, 04:59:55 pm
*fistbumps Dakota* Bunnie is best Freedom Fighter.

Hell yeah, motherfucker.

Also, some people really care about this animal pronoun shit (http://i.imgur.com/s5Q4ty0.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 02, 2014, 07:30:38 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 02, 2014, 06:28:03 pm
Pretty sure no one is beating up and murdering otherkin for merely existing.

I hope an otherkin gets killed or beaten up and it ends up on the news.

The tumblr reaction would make me so happy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 02, 2014, 08:09:44 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on February 02, 2014, 07:30:38 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 02, 2014, 06:28:03 pm
Pretty sure no one is beating up and murdering otherkin for merely existing.

I hope an otherkin gets killed or beaten up and it ends up on the news.

The tumblr reaction would make me so happy.

Speaking as a resident furfag... I at least hope some pushy motherfucker gets his teeth kicked in.  Not killed, that's a bit far, but when you're insisting on things that fly in the face of all reality because you think you're another species, you deserve to get a brass knuckle bitchslap.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Murdin on February 02, 2014, 08:46:02 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on February 02, 2014, 07:30:38 pm
I hope an otherkin gets killed or beaten up and it ends up on the news.

The tumblr reaction would make me so happy.

... why do I keep encountering so much scary, hateful shit today, coming from prominent members of communities that I thought were at least somewhat civilized?

For the record, I think that serious otherkin, those who actually believe they are something else than human, are in serious need of psychological help. However, beyond the minor issue of wishing an innocent human being to be beaten to death, would you really be happy if those delusional idiots actually had a legitimate reason to feel like a persecuted minority? The reaction would be even more annoying and intelligence-insulting than usual, yet less easily dismissable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 02, 2014, 08:56:46 pm
...have you met Hof?

Ironbite-he's Australian through and through.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 02, 2014, 09:06:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on February 02, 2014, 08:56:46 pm
...have you met Hof?

Ironbite-he's Australian through and through.
I didn't know Aussies were psychos.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on February 02, 2014, 09:21:15 pm
Well, everything in Australia is trying to kill you...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 02, 2014, 09:34:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 02, 2014, 09:06:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on February 02, 2014, 08:56:46 pm
...have you met Hof?

Ironbite-he's Australian through and through.
I didn't know Aussies were psychos.

They're either really really nice or psychos.

Ironbite-no inbetween.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 02, 2014, 10:16:51 pm
What can I say, without regular school shootings, all those who're otherwise unfit for survival make it adulthood.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 02, 2014, 10:48:06 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 02, 2014, 03:15:07 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/ufjoF5x.jpg)

How very compassionate of you.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f56823ff54fdea0003e5a88e601e7548/tumblr_n08sjk0BM21ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Do they not realize how insulting this can? be to trans people?

1. I will eat as much meat as possible tommorow purely to spite this douchebag stereotype

2. Dickhead, dickheads, dickselfs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 03, 2014, 01:57:51 am
Me too. I'll even try to eat venison, just to "kill an innocent deer!"

Muahahahaha!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 03, 2014, 02:18:47 am
Could you please pass the veal and the lamb chops when you get a sec? Thanks! *nom nom nom* Man, I really didn't think I'd like thousand-year-old eggs, but once you get past the feathers they're pretty good!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 03, 2014, 02:28:48 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/730f8eabde7bd3b433e442a500d64822/tumblr_n0e9ypHplm1ryeto5o1_500.png)

OH MY GOD THERE ARE MORE OF THEM. THIS ISN'T EVEN THE SAME PERSON WHO MADE THAT FIRST LIST.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 03, 2014, 02:39:02 am
Gofuckyour/gofuckyours/gofuckyourself
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on February 03, 2014, 02:48:43 am
That's gotta be a poe.

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090521084415/zelda/images/d/db/Poe_Artwork_%28Ocarina_of_Time%29.png)

GODDAMMIT I ACCIDENTALLY MADE A PUN AAAARGH
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 03, 2014, 02:55:54 am
Ive been seeing those a lot. Ive seen ghost, plant, planet, stardust and robot
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on February 03, 2014, 03:09:39 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 03, 2014, 01:57:51 am
Me too. I'll even try to eat venison, just to "kill an innocent deer!"

Muahahahaha!

Word of advice. If you can get it, elk is utterly delicious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 03, 2014, 04:15:46 am
Quote from: Murdin on February 02, 2014, 08:46:02 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on February 02, 2014, 07:30:38 pm
I hope an otherkin gets killed or beaten up and it ends up on the news.

The tumblr reaction would make me so happy.

... why do I keep encountering so much scary, hateful shit today, coming from prominent members of communities that I thought were at least somewhat civilized?

For the record, I think that serious otherkin, those who actually believe they are something else than human, are in serious need of psychological help. However, beyond the minor issue of wishing an innocent human being to be beaten to death, would you really be happy if those delusional idiots actually had a legitimate reason to feel like a persecuted minority? The reaction would be even more annoying and intelligence-insulting than usual, yet less easily dismissable.

Oh god thats right, youre new.

Seeing my posts is gonna be fun for you

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 03, 2014, 04:47:14 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on February 03, 2014, 03:09:39 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 03, 2014, 01:57:51 am
Me too. I'll even try to eat venison, just to "kill an innocent deer!"

Muahahahaha!

Word of advice. If you can get it, elk is utterly delicious.

elk and deer... oh man, now I want venison jerky.

... I've heard moose is all right, too, if you prepare it right.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 03, 2014, 09:05:01 am
Fuck this pussy shit, give me some fucking dolphin, and some fucking shark.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 03, 2014, 10:20:56 am
Personally, I've always wanted to try whale. The meat sounds absolutely delicious, considering all the fat on they have. In the admittedly extremely unlikely event that I ever find myself in Japan, it'll be quite high on my to do list.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 03, 2014, 10:32:41 am
From descriptions by people who have eaten whale with Alaska Natives, it is fishy tasting and greasy. No doubt it would work perfectly for a bouillabaisse stew broth base, but I am now curious how the Japanese prepare it to make it palatable? In any case, whales should go off the world's menu along with sharks, for much the same reason; they breed too slowly to recover from over fishing/whaling.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on February 03, 2014, 11:58:35 am
As soon as time travel is invented, I will go back to the Jurassic Period, kill a dinosaur, and eat it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on February 03, 2014, 12:01:51 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on February 03, 2014, 11:58:35 am
As soon as time travel is invented, I will go back to the Jurassic Period, kill a dinosaur, and eat it.

Would it taste like chicken?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on February 03, 2014, 12:15:11 pm
Quote from: starseeker on February 03, 2014, 12:01:51 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on February 03, 2014, 11:58:35 am
As soon as time travel is invented, I will go back to the Jurassic Period, kill a dinosaur, and eat it.

Would it taste like chicken?

Considering ostrich apparently tastes like beef, I wouldn't know.

All the more reason to find out!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 03, 2014, 01:28:25 pm
Emu tastes a bit like pork or beef, and that's kind of along the same lines. But maybe dinosaurs would taste like alligator, or maybe it depends on if they're aquatic or land critters.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 03, 2014, 04:40:59 pm
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/691/043/d32.png) (http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/691043-pokemon)
See more on Know Your Meme (http://knowyourmeme.com)

Yeah... >_>

Edit:  Ya know, this is the second social justice thing I've found that could easily go in fandumb.

Also, I tried finding the Tumblr of the same name so I could see if "cis people were getting mad," but I couldn't find the post, and instead got a Tumblr with one page.

Edit 2:  I guess the Tumblr is moving to a new url?  I'll have to look for all the apparent "cis butthurt" later (got work soon).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on February 03, 2014, 06:26:39 pm
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 03, 2014, 01:28:25 pm
Emu tastes a bit like pork or beef, and that's kind of along the same lines. But maybe dinosaurs would taste like alligator, or maybe it depends on if they're aquatic or land critters.

Dinosaurs were land animals. Those aquatic reptiles that lived at the same time were not closely related to them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 03, 2014, 08:30:22 pm
Yeah.  They're closer related to us than they are to dinosaurs, since mammals branched from the reptile line.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 05, 2014, 02:07:20 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7rS0gGX.jpg)

There are plenty of 12-16 year olds who lost actual loved ones in 911 so why don't you shut the fuck up.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 05, 2014, 03:13:17 am
In some ways I think it may have been more frightening for someone who was five or six when the towers went down. I was fourteen so I understood what was happening and make no mistake: it was pants-shitting scary. But a little kid would just see their parent or other adults getting scared and upset and maybe even crying, and as a little kid there is nothing quite as scary as when grownups cry. Because adults are like superheroes and seeing them overwhelmed and yourself not being able to understand what is going on...... is alien and frightening.

In funnier news, there is this Tumblr, 'Confessions of a Demisexual' (http://confessionsofademisexual.tumblr.com). Special snowflakes ahoy!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on February 05, 2014, 03:58:50 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 05, 2014, 02:07:20 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7rS0gGX.jpg)

There are plenty of 12-16 year olds who lost actual loved ones in 911 so why don't you shut the fuck up.
My dad was born in 1941 in the Netherlands. He remembers bombs flattening a few houses up the street from him, he remembers the Jews who were hiding in his attic, and hearing a Lancaster bomber fly overhead at an air show in the 90's was enough to put a glazed far off look on his face.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 05, 2014, 04:06:22 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 05, 2014, 02:07:20 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7rS0gGX.jpg)

There are plenty of 12-16 year olds who lost actual loved ones in 911 so why don't you shut the fuck up.



Omfg. This is brilliant
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on February 05, 2014, 08:01:08 am
Quote
because I was old enough and you weren't

They sound quite childish for someone supposedly born before 1995.

Quote
you don't know how special and amazing it was for us

Wtf. I remember 9/11 and I wouldn't really describe it as "special and amazing".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 05, 2014, 09:19:19 am
Whelp, seems the internet has once again jumped the shark.  People are claiming atrocities for their generation.

(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/RH-00/i-got-nothin.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 05, 2014, 10:40:17 am
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 05, 2014, 03:13:17 am
In some ways I think it may have been more frightening for someone who was five or six when the towers went down. I was fourteen so I understood what was happening and make no mistake: it was pants-shitting scary. But a little kid would just see their parent or other adults getting scared and upset and maybe even crying, and as a little kid there is nothing quite as scary as when grownups cry. Because adults are like superheroes and seeing them overwhelmed and yourself not being able to understand what is going on...... is alien and frightening.

In funnier news, there is this Tumblr, 'Confessions of a Demisexual' (http://confessionsofademisexual.tumblr.com). Special snowflakes ahoy!

14?  Damn.  Now I kinda feel like a creep for hitting on you so much back in the day.  Now?  Not so much.

But you're going with 1995 as the cut-off for 9/11 moron?  Seriously?  So a 6 year old doesn't have memories of important events in their childhood?  Are you honestly stupid or something?

Ironbite-oh wait...you're a special snowflake so I guess you are!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 05, 2014, 10:43:53 am
Hell, I was 21 when it happened, and I was scared.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on February 05, 2014, 11:03:45 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 05, 2014, 02:07:20 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7rS0gGX.jpg)

What about all the children under 6 who died in the attacks? Or the ones who survived but were actually there?  But no I guess it's all about you and how you felt watching it on TV from the saftey of your livingroom, isn't it?

WTf is wrong with some people?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 05, 2014, 11:31:55 am
Ten bucks says that person was born in 1994. (Assuming they're serious.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on February 05, 2014, 02:42:10 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 05, 2014, 10:43:53 am
Hell, I was 21 when it happened, and I was scared.
We're the same age.

It sure doesn't feel like it happened 12 years ago.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on February 05, 2014, 03:33:42 pm
I was 12 to 14 when it happened.

I still remember the towers falling.  Vividly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 05, 2014, 04:02:02 pm
Quote from: ironbite on February 05, 2014, 10:40:17 am
14?  Damn.  Now I kinda feel like a creep for hitting on you so much back in the day.  Now?  Not so much.

Well I wasn't on FSTDT until I was maybe... twenty? I guess 21 when I actually became pretty active on the forum. And you aren't THAT much older than me, so, yeah, not that creepy. Well, the age difference anyway. You wouldn't be our Ibbs if you weren't at least a little bit creepy otherwise.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 05, 2014, 06:41:01 pm
it was a week before my 17th birthday.  Needless to say, the usual to-do was... subdued.  I saw the news footage as I was getting ready for school.  And yeah, it's still unsettling to this day.  Especially now that I'm three hours north of NYC.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 05, 2014, 07:29:10 pm
I was a few months shy of my sixth birthday, and I vividly remember my mother screaming and collapsing in a heap on the floor because she thought her brother was on the second plane. That was also the first time I ever called 911 for real, because I thought she was dying. Even after we found out my uncle had missed his connecting flight and wasn't anywhere near New York, she was an emotional wreck. It was one of those thresholds that separates your life into Before and After - not only on a nation-wide scale, but for me personally. September 11 2001 marked the first time my family had truly depended on me - my siblings for basic care and my mother for emotional support.

So yeah, don't try to lecture me about what I'm not allowed to remember, douchebag.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on February 05, 2014, 07:41:54 pm
I was 12 when it happened. I was living in England, and school was just getting out when Mom came up and told me what had happened.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 05, 2014, 07:58:05 pm
11. Didnt found out till a few years later. So..didnt really phase me. Doubt it would of then either
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 05, 2014, 08:06:28 pm
I was 11 at the time. Really, the most I felt was annoyance that every single TV channel was broadcasting 9/11 reports, and so I had to either watch that or do something else.

In all fairness, I'm not American, have no immediate family in America and none whatsoever in New York, so I saw no reason to get emotionally invested. I remember my mother would watch (and still does, for that matter) the World News pretty much every night, so in my 11 year old mind, stuff getting blown up somewhere overseas was nothing new.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 05, 2014, 08:16:06 pm
I was just starting my senior year of high school at age 18.  Don't ask I was born at the end of 1983 and that's where they put me.  I remember sitting in the library on MSN messenger when a friend in Australia asked me if I had heard the news.  Yeah was pretty scary as a lot of folks in the area had parents or family that worked at the Pentagon.

Ironbite-school that week was pretty much a wash.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 05, 2014, 08:19:34 pm
I was 15. I thought my friend was making it up when she told me about it on the bus ride to school (in a pre-9/11 world, being told that "a plane crashed into a building, then another plane crashed into the building next door, and another crashed into the Pentagon" was too absurd to be met with anything other than skepticism, plus she was notorious for making things up). Then I got to class (late) and discovered that she was, in fact, telling the truth.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on February 05, 2014, 09:07:14 pm
I was about six in first grade... I didn't quite comprehend what was going on, all I know is that a lot of the adults were either angry or sad about something and I remember seeing the towers on a TV in my school cafeteria.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 05, 2014, 09:26:00 pm
I was in...6th grade, I think.  It was kinda surreal, for me.  I didn't know anyone in NYC or the Pentagon, or knew anyone who'd have been affected, so it wasn't a massive to-do for me as much as it was for everyone else.  Made school easy for a little while, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Patches on February 05, 2014, 09:32:52 pm
This is making me feel old.  I was 19, in college, eating breakfast in the cafeteria and watching it on TV.  When I went to class, my professor came in and started crying.

I guess on the bright side, it's what spurred me to take a more active interest in our politics, since I really wanted to know why something like this would happen and I totally wasn't buying the "They're evil meanie pants who hate us because we're too awesome" line some outlets were feeding us.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 05, 2014, 09:50:26 pm
Quote from: Patches on February 05, 2014, 09:32:52 pm
it's what spurred me to take a more active interest in our politics, since I really wanted to know why something like this would happen and I totally wasn't buying the "They're evil meanie pants who hate us because we're too awesome" line some outlets were feeding us.

Likewise. It was the first time in my life I really paid attention to political commentary and found myself analyzing and critiquing things that were being said in the aftermath.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 05, 2014, 09:59:59 pm
I was a freshman in high school when 9/11 occurred.  If I recall, it happened during my record keeping class.  Some teachers just happened to have TVs in their classroom that had cable access, so it was something that allowed me to see actual live footage of the events as they progressed.

Of course, I don't think I was watching when the actual planes hit, or the moment the towers collapsed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on February 05, 2014, 10:02:13 pm
Yeah, I was ten, and even then I knew the "they're just evil" story was bull. I remember a teacher telling us that the attackers were jealous of everything the U.S. had, and so I asked "Then why don't we share?" And she struggled to explain it wasn't like that. Then when I started hearing talk about invading Afghanistan, I thought that was stupid, since it would just cause more hate, and that was the start of both my political awareness and my disdain for religion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 05, 2014, 11:14:24 pm
I remember being in shop class. (Yes I took shop. I was one of a whopping four girls in that whole class.) We had tools running when the announcement came over the PA system so I didn't hear it properly. I thought I couldn't possibly have heard it properly, because it sounded like the announcement was, 'Please turn your TVs to a news station, two hijacked airplanes have just hit the World Trade Centre.'

And then I got to my next class and realized it was right. The only teacher I had that day who refused to acknowledge what was going on--not even our fear or our anxiety about it--was my English teacher. Mrs Altman. She was mean and bitter anyway but expecting your students to dissect the entirety of 'Spoon River Anthology' while there's a freaking terrorist attack going on right now was just ludicrous.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on February 06, 2014, 12:00:34 am
I was in 8th grade. The teachers tried to keep any word of it from getting out to the students, but someone had smuggled a radio into school that day and rumors started flying everywhere. Even then, the teachers refused to confirm or deny anything and would not turn on the news.

What I heard from various sources:
The World Trade Center had been bombed.
President Bush was dead.
Planes had crashed into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center.
One of the planes was a Russian fighter jet.

And I only got the full story when I went home. I still wonder why the school insisted on keeping quiet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on February 06, 2014, 01:17:46 am
Quote from: Random Guy on February 06, 2014, 12:00:34 am
I was in 8th grade. The teachers tried to keep any word of it from getting out to the students, but someone had smuggled a radio into school that day and rumors started flying everywhere. Even then, the teachers refused to confirm or deny anything and would not turn on the news.

What I heard from various sources:
The World Trade Center had been bombed.
President Bush was dead.
Planes had crashed into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center.
One of the planes was a Russian fighter jet.

And I only got the full story when I went home. I still wonder why the school insisted on keeping quiet.

We had the same rumors flying. I'd actually misheard that the Pentagon had been bombed rather than hit by a plane, although at least I had it right which were the targets. The only thing everyone agreed on was that there had been a massive terrorist attack on the US, with New York and/or DC as the targets.

In another sense, 9/11 was the day I came of age politically. That is when I developed a real passion for understanding current events, one that continues to this day.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 06, 2014, 02:49:32 am
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 05, 2014, 11:14:24 pm
I remember being in shop class. (Yes I took shop. I was one of a whopping four girls in that whole class.)

Three of the four best car mechanics at my second high school were girls.  Short sleeves, grease on the elbows, hair done up... and if any guy dared grab their ass, they found themselves with a tire iron upside their skull.  The teachers mysteriously never saw the girls retaliate, but he wrote the guys up for sexual harrassment...  ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 06, 2014, 04:23:08 am
I can't remember what kind of credit I took shop to satisfy. I think it was a 'Tech' credit which you could also cover with (I think) any of the shop classes, nursing, mechanic class, and physics. Among other things. I figured woodshop was good for me because my dad had a woodshop and I used to play in it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on February 06, 2014, 05:13:51 am
I was 15 at the time, and staying with a friend in Australia. His father worked for a firm which had its seat in the WTC, so he got a phonecall as soon as the first tower was hit, and woke us up to watch what was happening. I was a bit confused at the time.

I remember that my grandmother called me crying (she lived through the Pearl Harbor Attacks, and she was repeating "it's happening again" over and over)

I think that my parents were among the last people in the civilised world who learned about it : they were out at sea for a week, and only turned on their radio for the weather forecasts. They got in touch with another boat a week afterward who told them about it.

Edit : 15, not 5. Dear lord.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on February 06, 2014, 07:05:27 am
I was 10 when it happened, and the teachers didn't tell us about it until late in the afternoon, around recess time. They were very professional about it and allowed us to ask any questions. Of course, some kids didn't really understand what was going on and told everyone to shut up so we could go outside for recess. Other kids were worried because they had parents working in DC. I found the whole thing pretty scary, but didn't fully grasp what it meant until later on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 06, 2014, 09:13:10 am
I was 23.  I was the only one up at the time so I turned on the TV and there it was.  One tower smoking and I was like "What the hell...?"   It was pretty surreal.  I guess like a lot of Americans I became complacent and I didn't think stuff like that could happen here.  Then came the next plane.  "This is crazy...  Who's doing this?!," were my thoughts.  I saw 'The Falling Man'.
Then word about the Pentagon being hit, and there went the first tower, then the second, falling straight down.

I remember thinking, "Things are going to be really different from here on."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 06, 2014, 12:11:47 pm
I was 41. I was a partner in a neighborhood bistro, and we were cash strapped at the time from doing a major remodel. To pay my bills, I was working as a cocktail server in a popular bar, 2 double shifts in a row Sundays and Mondays til late night (they closed at 4am, then did cleaning/restock/sales reports til 6).

At 1pm on 9/11, I arrived at the bistro to continue building a wine bar and booths for the new expansion in a vacant retail space next door, that we'd built a big entryway into. I was tired and still sleepy, and was confused to see that a small TV was set up on a table in the dining area, surrounded by a small crowd of people staring at it. It was obvious something important was happening from everyone's faces, and since the bistro did not normally have a TV in it. I watched quietly, not wanting to seem foolish, since few customers knew what my work/sleep schedule was like. When the video repeat of the first tower being hit showed, I felt that floating sensation in the gut that you get when you are about to arrive after a fast elevator ride.

It ended up being the best/worst/busiest/quietest day in the bistro's history. Everyone in the neighborhood eventually either came there, or to the pub two blocks away. Both places were packed, because nobody wanted to stay at home alone watching the news. I watched an hour of the news when I arrived, but had no choice but to go work on the remodel project. It was good to have something to focus on, and having no choice but to do it. It helped keep my grief and rage tamped down. Occasionally, a person or two would come in there to sit and cry in relative privacy. It was eerie how quiet the bistro was, even though it was packed with people. Like a funeral service, and it was like a very somber wake, everyone getting quietly numb with drink.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on February 06, 2014, 05:45:08 pm
I was barely 11 at the time, just started secondary school. First I heard was when some 6th formers (last 2 years of high school), had a radio and were going to the classrooms telling people as they went during the afternoon lessons. Heard more about it on the radio on the way home. I remember thinking that only bad things could happen from here on, likely a war of some sort.

Though to be honest I got more worried by the 7/7 attack, because I live in London, a friend of mine was crying because he thought his dad was on one of the trains that got blown up. Hearing the weird, confused jumble of news throughout the day didn't help that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 06, 2014, 08:14:11 pm
....some of you motherfuckers are damn old.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 06, 2014, 08:31:34 pm
Beats the alternative, Chit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 07, 2014, 08:43:09 am
Yeaaaaaaah...you really want a bunch of teenage wankers whining about how math is unfair and how the pretty girl in biology class won't pay attention to 'em?  We get good teenagers here, but they're the minority.  Any more, and we'd start dipping into the majority, and that's when we have Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey threads that eclipse even the MLP thread in size...and nobody wants that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 07, 2014, 11:25:57 am
I was 12 when 9/11 happened. It was during my first period math class. We were all too shocked to do our work, even the teachers.

I remember the OKC bombing too. I saw them try to tear the rest of the building down. I didn't understand what was going on then though, since I was barely even six.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 07, 2014, 11:30:55 am
It's a little dated, but here's some reactions to the royal baby's birth (spoilered for size):

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 07, 2014, 05:11:12 pm
*ultra double beak-claw*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 07, 2014, 05:36:57 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Z6PAAj3.jpg)
(old pic from when Buckingham Palace caught fire)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on February 07, 2014, 05:56:13 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 07, 2014, 11:25:57 am
I remember the OKC bombing too. I saw them try to tear the rest of the building down. I didn't understand what was going on then though, since I was barely even six.

I was nine when the federal building got blown apart. I was in school at the time, around 9 miles away. We were in class when the bomb went off and the windows were rattling in their frames. After that my dad took me to go see the wreckage.

Puts a whole new spin on "National Tragedy" when you can feel the rubble crunching under your sneakers and see the street signs folded around the stop-light poles.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 07, 2014, 09:27:48 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 07, 2014, 11:30:55 am
It's a little dated, but here's some reactions to the royal baby's birth (spoilered for size):

(click to show/hide)

Ew
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 07, 2014, 10:12:19 pm
Saying 'It's a boy' is rather more dignified than saying 'IT HAS A PENIS!'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 07, 2014, 10:57:21 pm
ITS GENITALS ARE OF THE MALE STANDARD
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 07, 2014, 11:08:09 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on February 07, 2014, 05:36:57 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Z6PAAj3.jpg)
(old pic from when Buckingham Palace caught fire)

Uh...I'm going to need some help here.  Why did you post this picture?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 07, 2014, 11:18:01 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/HfkKtjE.png)

"... If you can see him, hear him, and feel him, it's most defiantly sexual assault."

No stahp wut are you doing?

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/1f1cee501b2ae51a2fc24b35cc0a3fa7/tumblr_myu2yedMp81ru72puo1_400.gif)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 07, 2014, 11:54:09 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 07, 2014, 11:18:01 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/HfkKtjE.png)

"... If you can see him, hear him, and feel him, it's most defiantly sexual assault."

No stahp wut are you doing?

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/1f1cee501b2ae51a2fc24b35cc0a3fa7/tumblr_myu2yedMp81ru72puo1_400.gif)
(http://scp-wiki.wdfiles.com/local--files/scp-513/Cowbell.JPG)
Quote
You’ve seen it. Now he can hear you.
You’ve touched it. Now he can see you.
Never ring it. If you hear it, he can touch you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on February 08, 2014, 12:00:10 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 07, 2014, 11:18:01 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/HfkKtjE.png)

"... If you can see him, hear him, and feel him, it's most defiantly sexual assault."

No stahp wut are you doing?

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/1f1cee501b2ae51a2fc24b35cc0a3fa7/tumblr_myu2yedMp81ru72puo1_400.gif)

Existing is sexual assault to these people.

And your response is priceless.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 08, 2014, 12:02:23 am
Quote from: shy on February 08, 2014, 12:00:10 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 07, 2014, 11:18:01 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/HfkKtjE.png)

"... If you can see him, hear him, and feel him, it's most defiantly sexual assault."

No stahp wut are you doing?

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/1f1cee501b2ae51a2fc24b35cc0a3fa7/tumblr_myu2yedMp81ru72puo1_400.gif)

Existing is sexual assault to these people.

And your response is priceless.
Existing is another tool used by the patriarchy in order to force women to be subservient. They understand that most woman find it difficult to control their urges thus allowing them to be susceptible to sexual assault.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 08, 2014, 12:04:13 am
I'm... uh...

Jebus' Seven gif reaction is pretty much mine too.

So... I got nothin'...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 08, 2014, 12:09:43 am
Quote from: The Doctor on February 08, 2014, 12:04:13 am
I'm... uh...

Jebus' Seven gif reaction is pretty much mine too.

So... I got nothin'...
Literally yours, actually.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 08, 2014, 12:19:20 am
I normally don't say this, but...

...RUN, BRO.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 08, 2014, 01:34:43 am
Quote from: The Doctor on February 08, 2014, 12:04:13 am
I'm... uh...

Jebus' Seven gif reaction is pretty much mine too.

So... I got nothin'...

That's the exact expression I make almost every time I'm on Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 08, 2014, 06:19:55 am
Soooo giving someone a choice is sexual assault now? Good to know. The original ask specifies only PiV sex, though, so is anal cool with her?

Sex questions around here are pretty straightforward. 'I'M HORNY, WANNA FOOL AROUND?'
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 08, 2014, 08:38:06 am
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 08, 2014, 06:19:55 am
Sex questions around here are pretty straightforward. 'I'M HORNY, WANNA FOOL AROUND?'
ZOMG! SECKSHUWAL HARASMENTS!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on February 08, 2014, 08:41:40 am
Stop raping me by asking for sex Art? You know I only fuck Jerry...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 08, 2014, 09:47:33 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 08, 2014, 08:38:06 am
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 08, 2014, 06:19:55 am
Sex questions around here are pretty straightforward. 'I'M HORNY, WANNA FOOL AROUND?'
ZOMG! SECKSHUWAL HARASMENTS!!!

I'm an asexual, aromantic, aromatic pancakekin and I find this offensive!  Pancakes can't have sex!  Stop triggering me!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 08, 2014, 11:04:09 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 08, 2014, 09:47:33 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 08, 2014, 08:38:06 am
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 08, 2014, 06:19:55 am
Sex questions around here are pretty straightforward. 'I'M HORNY, WANNA FOOL AROUND?'
ZOMG! SECKSHUWAL HARASMENTS!!!

I'm an asexual, aromantic, aromatic pancakekin and I find this offensive!  Pancakes can't have sex!  Stop triggering me!
Zomg you insensitive small-fat fetishizing cissexual! I'm an aromatic triggerkin and I'm triggered by your trigger!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on February 08, 2014, 12:06:57 pm
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 08, 2014, 06:19:55 am
Soooo giving someone a choice is sexual assault now? Good to know. The original ask specifies only PiV sex, though, so is anal cool with her?

Sex questions around here are pretty straightforward. 'I'M HORNY, WANNA FOOL AROUND?'

The first thing I thought about when I read this fool's drivel was actually how sexually upfront and forthcoming gay guys in the bar/club scene are—and their propositions are a good bit lewder than "Hey brah, wanna fuck?" This is especially the case for the ridiculous, bugfuck-insane, self-loathing "masc" / "str8-acting" ones that I seem to attract.

(Admittedly, I think the scene is totally wack for exactly that reason, but I'm still not accusing these fellas of "raping" me for being dumb enough to think they had a shot with a reasonably well-adjusted, adequately medicated guy with standards and self-esteem. Instead, I throw 'em shade. For real, though, when someone with two psychiatric-hospital stays under his belt is calling you crazy, it's seriously time to cut your losses and just admit that you probably need a little professional help with dem masculinity issuez. But I'm totally derailing.)

Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 08, 2014, 09:47:33 am
I'm an asexual, aromantic, aromatic pancakekin and I find this offensive!  Pancakes can't have sex!  Stop triggering me!

Die, pancake scum. You need check that massive flapjack privilege of yours, because frenchtoastkin are the ones truly oppressed by the realityarchy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 08, 2014, 12:09:09 pm
Quote from: Captain Jack Harkness on February 07, 2014, 11:08:09 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on February 07, 2014, 05:36:57 pm
(click to show/hide)
(old pic from when Buckingham Palace caught fire)

Uh...I'm going to need some help here.  Why did you post this picture?

It's Queen Elizabeth face palming, posted in re her new great grandson's birth announcement, the "It's a boy is soooooo cis genderist" reactions online? I posted it just below those and Cerim's posting "beak claw" (face palm).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 08, 2014, 01:06:54 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 08, 2014, 09:47:33 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 08, 2014, 08:38:06 am
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 08, 2014, 06:19:55 am
Sex questions around here are pretty straightforward. 'I'M HORNY, WANNA FOOL AROUND?'
ZOMG! SECKSHUWAL HARASMENTS!!!
I'm an asexual, aromantic, aromatic pancakekin and I find this offensive! Pancakes can't have sex![/i]Stop triggering me!
Greatest sentence ever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on February 08, 2014, 01:33:05 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9d968369c4a1906157f9f20a25e65fe3/tumblr_mxha82zlO01ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Uhh...

(http://replygif.net/i/561.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on February 08, 2014, 02:07:07 pm
Quote from: Damen on February 08, 2014, 01:33:05 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9d968369c4a1906157f9f20a25e65fe3/tumblr_mxha82zlO01ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Uhh...

(http://replygif.net/i/561.gif)

I feel like there should be a horse tumblr response complaining about human privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 08, 2014, 02:09:22 pm
I think the school is being too cautious as to weight restrictions over all, but perhaps it's because beginning riders have terrible stability in the saddle, which the horse tends to reflexively compensate for by shifting under them, so it would tend to tire the horse faster if the beginner is both awkward and heavier. Some horses will fidget, balk a little, or even panic buck the first time or two that a rider who is much heavier than what the horse is accustomed to mounts the saddle.

It's not unusual to see experienced, heavy riders being carried with relative ease by an average sized, healthy horse, though. The horse will tire a little quicker than if they were carrying a smaller person, obviously.

Is the OP far heavier than 210? Like more than 275? That could be a real problem of too much unstable beginner rider weight for even the most robust horse the school owns. And we don't know about what size or age or condition the schools' horses are.  If the school simply cannot afford to purchase another, stronger horse, oh well. Asking the school to buy another horse is a bit much, especially if the would-be riding student is quite heavy, like in excess of 300 lbs. Draft horses can handle very heavy riders, but are usually much taller than regular saddle horses, and falling from that greater height would increase the chance of serious injury, although draft horses by nature are very calm and docile. They are also considerably more expensive to buy, and feed, need larger custom sized tack and saddles, and require larger, more expensive doses of meds and vaccines compared to average horses.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 08, 2014, 02:41:04 pm
I had this conversation yesterday. I think the biggest reasons the weight restrictions exist are a) the reasons Mellon said about inexperienced riders not knowing how to hold their weight properly, and also b) because these are likely communal horses. Absolutely a horse can bear over 210lbs easily, but each horse may have to take three or more riders a day. Horses are big and strong but they WILL get tired and even hurt if they're dealing with twenty people a week who can't maintain their seat and weigh 300lbs. Equally possible is they're going by the lowest estimate for the smallest horse, so that no one is limited in which horse they can ride.

And!! Yes, horseback riding is exercise. It is not exceptionally great exercise. If this person wants to ride so they can lose weight (which I'm surprised they didn't get crap for, to be honest), they'll be disappointed. Ride a bike, go hiking, take some kickboxing--but you're not going to get a great workout in the saddle. Especially not if you're a beginner.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on February 08, 2014, 05:15:26 pm
Quote from: Damen on February 08, 2014, 01:33:05 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9d968369c4a1906157f9f20a25e65fe3/tumblr_mxha82zlO01ryeto5o1_1280.png)

I'm not even going to try to be reasonable with this person.

I can honestly say I haven't seen anybody else attempt to define "privilege" as "others incidentally being capable of doing something that I can't for reasons entirely beyond their control"—not even the mouth-frothing lunatics who write journal articles that can only be found in the kookiest, post-modernest, most radical-leftist bowels of JSTOR and EBSCOHost. And I've personally confronted the unique brand of raving moonbattery that is peculiar to journal articles with titles like Queer Mathematics, The Postcolonialist and Poststructuralist Reappropriation of Clocks, and Destroying the Hegemonic Paradigm of "Objective Reality".

Seriously...Just...Look at your life. Look at your choices.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 08, 2014, 05:19:18 pm
I once rode a Clydesdale when I was younger.  I wasn't *especially* heavy back then, but he was all they had.  Best ride I've ever had.  I gave that horse lots of hugs and pats in appreciation for sure.


... I miss horse riding.  Wonder if there's a place around here...?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on February 08, 2014, 05:26:50 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 08, 2014, 09:47:33 am
Pancakes can't have sex!
Huh. Apparently, I've been doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on February 08, 2014, 05:38:52 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on February 08, 2014, 05:19:18 pm
I once rode a Clydesdale when I was younger.  I wasn't *especially* heavy back then, but he was all they had.  Best ride I've ever had.  I gave that horse lots of hugs and pats in appreciation for sure.


... I miss horse riding.  Wonder if there's a place around here...?

Surely there's gotta be. You should see.

I've only ridden a horse once. I was six or seven, and it was at some kind of fair-type thing that my school had one weekend. I also used to have a neighbor with horses after we moved back to the states, and they were really nice. I liked to feed them and pet them, but I never rode one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 08, 2014, 05:50:25 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on February 08, 2014, 02:07:07 pm
Quote from: Damen on February 08, 2014, 01:33:05 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9d968369c4a1906157f9f20a25e65fe3/tumblr_mxha82zlO01ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Uhh...

(http://replygif.net/i/561.gif)

I feel like there should be a horse tumblr response complaining about human privilege.

....yeeeeeessssssssss <3
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on February 08, 2014, 07:19:35 pm
Tumblr seems to be redefining privilege as "I'm jealous and want to validate my jealousy by crying PRIVILEGE whenever I'm jealous of somebody."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on February 08, 2014, 08:13:46 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on February 08, 2014, 02:07:07 pm
Quote from: Damen on February 08, 2014, 01:33:05 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9d968369c4a1906157f9f20a25e65fe3/tumblr_mxha82zlO01ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Uhh...

(http://replygif.net/i/561.gif)

I feel like there should be a horse tumblr response complaining about human privilege.

I'm sure you could convince a few bronies to do one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 08, 2014, 09:25:58 pm
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on February 08, 2014, 11:04:09 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 08, 2014, 09:47:33 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 08, 2014, 08:38:06 am
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 08, 2014, 06:19:55 am
Sex questions around here are pretty straightforward. 'I'M HORNY, WANNA FOOL AROUND?'
ZOMG! SECKSHUWAL HARASMENTS!!!

I'm an asexual, aromantic, aromatic pancakekin and I find this offensive!  Pancakes can't have sex!  Stop triggering me!
Zomg you insensitive small-fat fetishizing cissexual! I'm an aromatic triggerkin and I'm triggered by your trigger!

(https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/m/image/1377/91/1377916960007.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 08, 2014, 11:15:58 pm
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on February 08, 2014, 11:04:09 am
....I'm triggered by your trigger!

(http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1310428349083_0.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on February 08, 2014, 11:46:06 pm
Shit just got μετα up in here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 09, 2014, 03:30:26 am
Quote from: Solar Pendra on February 08, 2014, 07:19:35 pm
Tumblr seems to be redefining privilege as "I'm jealous and want to validate my jealousy by crying PRIVILEGE whenever I'm jealous of somebody."

It's more like 'I'm too lazy to make any kind of effort, even towards things I really want, so instead, whenever I hear about other people getting these things, I insist that they have an unfair advantage.'
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 09, 2014, 04:53:01 am
Quote
I was discussing pronouns with a friend and they came up with a really cool idea. This is especially awesome if you want pronouns that aren’t made up of other pronouns or want people to remember your name rather than your assigned birth name. name/names/nameself so for instance, I’d be Aly, Alys, Alyself since that’s my nickname. It sounds better with shorter name or nicknames, but I thought it was really cool!

Oh my god im so happy
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on February 09, 2014, 06:01:59 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on February 09, 2014, 04:53:01 am
Quote
I was discussing pronouns with a friend and they came up with a really cool idea. This is especially awesome if you want pronouns that aren’t made up of other pronouns or want people to remember your name rather than your assigned birth name. name/names/nameself so for instance, I’d be Aly, Alys, Alyself since that’s my nickname. It sounds better with shorter name or nicknames, but I thought it was really cool!

Oh my god im so happy
That's it people, we've hit on the singularity. By trying to create the perfect pronoun, they destroyed the very idea of pronouns.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 09, 2014, 09:55:23 am
We have approached Singularity.  All will become one.  Survival outside the Singularity is impossible.  Join us and live.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Patches on February 09, 2014, 10:06:36 am
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 09, 2014, 03:30:26 am
Quote from: Solar Pendra on February 08, 2014, 07:19:35 pm
Tumblr seems to be redefining privilege as "I'm jealous and want to validate my jealousy by crying PRIVILEGE whenever I'm jealous of somebody."

It's more like 'I'm too lazy to make any kind of effort, even towards things I really want, so instead, whenever I hear about other people getting these things, I insist that they have an unfair advantage.'

And this is why we can never have nice things.  Whenever there is actual injustice in the world, when people start to try to fight against it, people who are unaffected by it want to ride on its coattails for the attention.  Therefore, pretty much all actual suffering is inevitably de-legitimized by those who use that suffering as a platform to whine about their own, much more petty, problems.  And those who stand to benefit by maintaining the status quo are all too happy to point out the grandstanders as representatives of the movement, using them as evidence that nothing needs to be done.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 09, 2014, 11:12:18 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 09, 2014, 09:55:23 am
We have approached Singularity.  All will become one.  Survival outside the Singularity is impossible.  Join us and live.
We have approached Singularity.  All will become one.  Survival outside the Singularity is impossible.  Join us and live.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on February 09, 2014, 11:37:15 am
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on February 09, 2014, 11:12:18 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 09, 2014, 09:55:23 am
We have approached Singularity.  All will become one.  Survival outside the Singularity is impossible.  Join us and live.
We have approached Singularity.  All will become one.  Survival outside the Singularity is impossible.  Join us and live.
Noooo! I'm an individual! You'll never get me al...





We have approached Singularity.  All will become one.  Survival outside the Singularity is impossible.  Join us and live.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on February 09, 2014, 12:35:02 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on February 09, 2014, 11:37:15 am
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on February 09, 2014, 11:12:18 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 09, 2014, 09:55:23 am
We have approached Singularity.  All will become one.  Survival outside the Singularity is impossible.  Join us and live.
We have approached Singularity.  All will become one.  Survival outside the Singularity is impossible.  Join us and live.
Noooo! I'm an individual! You'll never get me al...





We have approached Singularity.  All will become one.  Survival outside the Singularity is impossible.  Join us and live.
I don't know what you guys are talking about, but this muffin sure is tasty.

We have approached Singularity.  All will become one.  Survival outside the Singularity is impossible.  Join us and live.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on February 09, 2014, 02:02:18 pm
And then FQA was a singularity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 09, 2014, 02:22:32 pm
Quote
I was discussing pronouns with a friend and they came up with a really cool idea. This is especially awesome if you want pronouns that aren't made up of other pronouns or want people to remember your name rather than your assigned birth name. name/names/nameself so for instance, I'd be Aly, Alys, Alyself since that’s my nickname. It sounds better with shorter name or nicknames, but I thought it was really cool!

I can't help but wonder if they've tried to use this in an actual conversation, realised they ended up repeating their name a lot, considered using some other word instead, and finally achieved enlightenment regarding pronouns and their purpose.

I can dream.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 09, 2014, 03:48:05 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 09, 2014, 02:22:32 pm
Quote
I was discussing pronouns with a friend and they came up with a really cool idea. This is especially awesome if you want pronouns that aren't made up of other pronouns or want people to remember your name rather than your assigned birth name. name/names/nameself so for instance, I'd be Aly, Alys, Alyself since that’s my nickname. It sounds better with shorter name or nicknames, but I thought it was really cool!

I can't help but wonder if they've tried to use this in an actual conversation, realised they ended up repeating their name a lot, considered using some other word instead, and finally achieved enlightenment regarding pronouns and their purpose.

I can dream.

Being efficient is inherently ableist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 09, 2014, 05:20:59 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 09, 2014, 02:22:32 pm
Quote
I was discussing pronouns with a friend and they came up with a really cool idea. This is especially awesome if you want pronouns that aren't made up of other pronouns or want people to remember your name rather than your assigned birth name. name/names/nameself so for instance, I'd be Aly, Alys, Alyself since that’s my nickname. It sounds better with shorter name or nicknames, but I thought it was really cool!

I can't help but wonder if they've tried to use this in an actual conversation, realised they ended up repeating their name a lot, considered using some other word instead, and finally achieved enlightenment regarding pronouns and their purpose.

I can dream.

Anyone else imagining this and it just sounds like Elmo talking?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on February 09, 2014, 09:18:01 pm
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 09, 2014, 05:20:59 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 09, 2014, 02:22:32 pm
Quote
I was discussing pronouns with a friend and they came up with a really cool idea. This is especially awesome if you want pronouns that aren't made up of other pronouns or want people to remember your name rather than your assigned birth name. name/names/nameself so for instance, I'd be Aly, Alys, Alyself since that’s my nickname. It sounds better with shorter name or nicknames, but I thought it was really cool!

I can't help but wonder if they've tried to use this in an actual conversation, realised they ended up repeating their name a lot, considered using some other word instead, and finally achieved enlightenment regarding pronouns and their purpose.

I can dream.

Anyone else imagining this and it just sounds like Elmo talking?

Elmo doesn't like it when people compare Elmo to SJWs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 09, 2014, 09:55:23 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/203e1e1c97d85b5971526aea01e9192a/tumblr_n0pjhjP7T41sln4rfo1_500.png)

Kids being assholes is totally rape culture now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on February 09, 2014, 10:22:19 pm
Oh FFS. Invading people's personal space is wack, and people who do it need a cluebatting. It is not, however, "rape." Rapists need a lot more than a good cluebatting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 09, 2014, 10:44:07 pm
Also, they're in second grade. Kids that age always act like assholes! They don't have a full, firm grasp on social rules and appropriate behavior by that time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 09, 2014, 11:51:11 pm
Little kids are always grabby.  Hell, I remember when I was in kindergarten and the other early grades, and hell... personal space was a foreign concept. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 09, 2014, 11:54:56 pm
Boys tease girls, girls tease boys. It's not "patriarchy", it's kids not understanding boundaries.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on February 10, 2014, 06:12:16 am
How can it be "rape culture" when kids that age don't even have a sexuality?

Or was it just me who didn't have much resembling a sexuality until puberty?  As far as I remember I was as close to asexual until then as made no difference.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 10, 2014, 06:46:17 am
Quote from: Katsuro on February 10, 2014, 06:12:16 am
Or was it just me who didn't have much resembling a sexuality until puberty?

The exact age where sexuality first develops depends on the kid, but it's safe to say that you're not going to find anything resembling adult sexuality among 7-year-olds. Some kids might experiment with masturbation, playing "doctor" and the like, but it tends to stem more from curiosity or "if I do this, it feels good" rather than a sex drive. Young children exhibiting explicitly sexual behavior, particularly if it's predatory, is generally regarded as an indicator of sexual abuse in the child's history.

A child jumping up and scaring a girl or ruffling her hair is neither sexual nor "entitlement to her body". Children do these kinds of things because they have yet to learn the social skills needed to express themselves and respect personal space. It has dick all to do with "patriarchy" and everything to do with kids being kids.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on February 10, 2014, 10:13:38 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 10, 2014, 06:46:17 am
Quote from: Katsuro on February 10, 2014, 06:12:16 am
Or was it just me who didn't have much resembling a sexuality until puberty?

A child jumping up and scaring a girl or ruffling her hair is neither sexual nor "entitlement to her body". Children do these kinds of things because they have yet to learn the social skills needed to express themselves and respect personal space. It has dick all to do with "patriarchy" and everything to do with kids being kids.

And if I remeber kids from my own youth correctly, boys do the same sorts of things to other boys too, they don't do it exclusivley to girls.  In fact they probably do it even more to other boys.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 10, 2014, 10:24:34 am
Children in general are little assholes, but for fuck's sake, they're not all burgeoning rapists.  One or two in a million, maybe, but being a douche does not a rapist make.  All rapists are douchebags, but not all douchebags are rapists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on February 10, 2014, 10:38:52 am
We've seen cases where children as young as 5 or 6 were listed as sex offenders for doing stupid shit like that. I wonder what ends up happening to them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: syaoranvee on February 10, 2014, 06:57:50 pm
Just found InternetAristocrat's videos on "tumblrisms" last night. I love these things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR8ADuqrGx8
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 11, 2014, 12:17:30 am
So i made this analogy

You have two crazies on top of the table arguing about which of their hair colors is more oppressing. Another chewing on the orderlies leg claiming that hes a wolfkin. A few more in the corner screaming at their mlp and homestuck headmates to stop trying to seduce them. A dude pointing a spork at the lunch lady while yelling shes a death eater and that he is really harry potter. And a girl in the corner crying because the mashed potato on her face is triggering. All the while the men in white suits are trying to calm everybody down while the entire institution yells about their white privilege.


And the rage generated on tumblr is amazing. I have over 60 notes of equal AWESOME and BAAAAAW
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 11, 2014, 12:32:05 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on February 11, 2014, 12:17:30 am
So i made this analogy

You have two crazies on top of the table arguing about which of their hair colors is more oppressing. Another chewing on the orderlies leg claiming that hes a wolfkin. A few more in the corner screaming at their mlp and homestuck headmates to stop trying to seduce them. A dude pointing a spork at the lunch lady while yelling shes a death eater and that he is really harry potter. And a girl in the corner crying because the mashed potato on her face is triggering. All the while the men in white suits are trying to calm everybody down while the entire institution yells about their white privilege.


And the rage generated on tumblr is amazing. I have over 60 notes of equal AWESOME and BAAAAAW

And of course the men in the white suits won't all be white.  Just the fact that they're wearing white suits makes them "white identifying" and therefore bad and evil.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Patches on February 11, 2014, 09:57:09 pm
Quote from: syaoranvee on February 10, 2014, 06:57:50 pm
Just found InternetAristocrat's videos on "tumblrisms" last night. I love these things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR8ADuqrGx8

Man, I showed the site mentioned in that video to my friend, who's currently getting a Masters in Social Work, and she could barely control her rage:

Quote
This is just....offensive.  And dangerous.  And about as legal as a person going around insisting they're a trained medical doctor.  Like this really....really isn't okay.  For fucks sake...how privilaged do you have to be that you have to invent your own problems to fight and pretend to advocate for, when there are still starving people on the street?  People freezing to death in this weather because all of the shelters have filled up.  I really can't understand how anyone can justify this. I really can't.

Yes, these people want and need attention, for one reason or another. But that's hardly the motivation they...it is why they're doing what they're doing, but it isn't why they -think- they're doing what they're doing.  I don't know.  I can't, this just makes me actually want to get a stupid tumblr, just to start a war I can't possibly win.  But everything about that page offends me.  Down to her having the gall to insist that she's anything like a therapist because she thinks she's naturally endowed with a level of empathy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on February 11, 2014, 10:44:51 pm
Quote from: syaoranvee on February 10, 2014, 06:57:50 pm
Just found InternetAristocrat's videos on "tumblrisms" last night. I love these things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR8ADuqrGx8

I've always wondered if these kind of people, the headmates and otherkins and the like, actually believe in the waste that they spew, or know that their just doing it to be a speshul snowflake. I'd like to see how they'd cope with actual schizophrenia.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on February 12, 2014, 02:09:17 am
So, Wil Wheaton made the awful mistake of declaring someone his spirit animal.  SJWs take it upon themselves to call him out, and he explains himself (http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/76180191594/hi-wil-im-not-trying-to-be-antagonizing-you-seem-to).  Another SJW, pissy that Wil didn't just say 'sorry, won't do it again' responds to his reply, invoking "whitesplaining" and "tone policing".  Wil responds in a less than pleasant manner (http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/76180191594/hi-wil-im-not-trying-to-be-antagonizing-you-seem-to), and starts a SJW shitstorm.  All over the words 'spirit animal'.

Also, reading through notes of multiple posts about this incident, it strikes me as funny that SJWs bitch about "cis white allies who act like they have an equal voice to minorities", yet have no problems white-knighting for a cause or group that's not their own.  Bonus points if they ignore or argue with members of said cause/group.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on February 12, 2014, 02:50:42 am
Just me or are people really fucking extra sensative these days?  I sometimes wonder if it's possible to say anything without offending someone somewhere.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 12, 2014, 03:09:59 am
It's funny. You can bash Christianity to your heart's content and these people won't bat an eyelid, but even mention a concept from another religion in a less than reverential manner and to say they shit the bed would be the understatement of the century. Superstitious nonsense is superstitious nonsense, regardless of culture of origin. Just because non-Christians came up with the idea of "spirit animals" doesn't suddenly make it less ridiculous or somehow deserving of respect.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 12, 2014, 09:26:52 am
Hah, I saw that he'd use the phrase "spirit animal" the other day, and just knew it was going to end up becoming a shitstorm.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 12, 2014, 09:39:46 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on February 12, 2014, 02:09:17 am
So, Wil Wheaton made the awful mistake of declaring someone his spirit animal.  SJWs take it upon themselves to call him out, and he explains himself (http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/76180191594/hi-wil-im-not-trying-to-be-antagonizing-you-seem-to).  Another SJW, pissy that Wil didn't just say 'sorry, won't do it again' responds to his reply, invoking "whitesplaining" and "tone policing".  Wil responds in a less than pleasant manner (http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/76180191594/hi-wil-im-not-trying-to-be-antagonizing-you-seem-to), and starts a SJW shitstorm.  All over the words 'spirit animal'.

Also, reading through notes of multiple posts about this incident, it strikes me as funny that SJWs bitch about "cis white allies who act like they have an equal voice to minorities", yet have no problems white-knighting for a cause or group that's not their own.  Bonus points if they ignore or argue with members of said cause/group.

Tumblr is pretty much full with teenage girls with too high an opinion of themselves. Of course if the people they are "standing up" for dare to disagree with them, they obviously have "internalised misogyny/racism/what the fuck ever"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on February 12, 2014, 09:43:26 am
Funny that the alternatives they offer all stuff like patronus and other fictional concepts. I also loved that one reply Wheaton got where the person explains just how stupid this backlash against Wheatons use of "spirit animal" is and how the complainers had completely disregarded all european shamanistic tradition (so they basically were quilty of the crime they accused Wheaton of.)

Also I am reminded of one thing: Patron saints. You find all kinds of crazy-awesome people amongst them. Even though I'm not catholic I'm tempted to go pick a patron saint for myself. BUT I GUESS ONLY WHITE PEPPLE CAN USE THAT TERM!!!!2 I mean it's not like there would be any non-white catholics or orthodox people. Check your privileges PoC.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 12, 2014, 09:46:04 am
Wait a sec...Wil Wheaton?  As in Wesley Crusher?  Haaaaaaaaaaa.  Excellent response, brother, excellent response.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on February 12, 2014, 11:48:50 am
Quote from: askold on February 12, 2014, 09:43:26 am
Funny that the alternatives they offer all stuff like patronus and other fictional concepts. I also loved that one reply Wheaton got where the person explains just how stupid this backlash against Wheatons use of "spirit animal" is and how the complainers had completely disregarded all european shamanistic tradition (so they basically were quilty of the crime they accused Wheaton of.)

Also I am reminded of one thing: Patron saints. You find all kinds of crazy-awesome people amongst them. Even though I'm not catholic I'm tempted to go pick a patron saint for myself. BUT I GUESS ONLY WHITE PEPPLE CAN USE THAT TERM!!!!2 I mean it's not like there would be any non-white catholics or orthodox people. Check your privileges PoC.

I recommend St Moses the Black.  I mean just look at this badass motherfucker:

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 12, 2014, 11:51:47 am
I follow St. Morgan of Freeman.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on February 12, 2014, 11:53:20 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on February 12, 2014, 11:51:47 am
I follow St. Morgan of Freeman.

God himself?  Can you use God as a partron saint?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 12, 2014, 11:55:26 am
Quote from: Katsuro on February 12, 2014, 11:48:50 am
Quote from: askold on February 12, 2014, 09:43:26 am
Funny that the alternatives they offer all stuff like patronus and other fictional concepts. I also loved that one reply Wheaton got where the person explains just how stupid this backlash against Wheatons use of "spirit animal" is and how the complainers had completely disregarded all european shamanistic tradition (so they basically were quilty of the crime they accused Wheaton of.)

Also I am reminded of one thing: Patron saints. You find all kinds of crazy-awesome people amongst them. Even though I'm not catholic I'm tempted to go pick a patron saint for myself. BUT I GUESS ONLY WHITE PEPPLE CAN USE THAT TERM!!!!2 I mean it's not like there would be any non-white catholics or orthodox people. Check your privileges PoC.

I recommend St Moses the Black.  I mean just look at this badass motherfucker:

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Also, he may have been the inspiration for Jules from Pulp Fiction.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on February 12, 2014, 12:03:32 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 12, 2014, 11:55:26 am
Quote from: Katsuro on February 12, 2014, 11:48:50 am
Quote from: askold on February 12, 2014, 09:43:26 am
Funny that the alternatives they offer all stuff like patronus and other fictional concepts. I also loved that one reply Wheaton got where the person explains just how stupid this backlash against Wheatons use of "spirit animal" is and how the complainers had completely disregarded all european shamanistic tradition (so they basically were quilty of the crime they accused Wheaton of.)

Also I am reminded of one thing: Patron saints. You find all kinds of crazy-awesome people amongst them. Even though I'm not catholic I'm tempted to go pick a patron saint for myself. BUT I GUESS ONLY WHITE PEPPLE CAN USE THAT TERM!!!!2 I mean it's not like there would be any non-white catholics or orthodox people. Check your privileges PoC.

I recommend St Moses the Black.  I mean just look at this badass motherfucker:

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Also, he may have been the inspiration for Jules from Pulp Fiction.

I wouldn't be too suprised if Tarrantino saw a picture of this guy somewhere and was like, "Damn, he needs to be a character in something!"  I can imagine him working like that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 12, 2014, 12:56:44 pm
Quote from: Katsuro on February 12, 2014, 11:53:20 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on February 12, 2014, 11:51:47 am
I follow St. Morgan of Freeman.

God himself?  Can you use God as a partron saint?

Isn't he something like the Saint of Saints?  I mean, if we pathetic humans can reach the lofty goal of sainthood, surely the Lord himself can and has achieved it.  It'd be like Nikola Tesla not using lightbulbs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on February 12, 2014, 01:10:04 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 12, 2014, 12:56:44 pm
Quote from: Katsuro on February 12, 2014, 11:53:20 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on February 12, 2014, 11:51:47 am
I follow St. Morgan of Freeman.

God himself?  Can you use God as a partron saint?

Isn't he something like the Saint of Saints?

Ah, fair enough.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on February 12, 2014, 01:31:44 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 12, 2014, 11:55:26 am
Quote from: Katsuro on February 12, 2014, 11:48:50 am
Quote from: askold on February 12, 2014, 09:43:26 am
Funny that the alternatives they offer all stuff like patronus and other fictional concepts. I also loved that one reply Wheaton got where the person explains just how stupid this backlash against Wheatons use of "spirit animal" is and how the complainers had completely disregarded all european shamanistic tradition (so they basically were quilty of the crime they accused Wheaton of.)

Also I am reminded of one thing: Patron saints. You find all kinds of crazy-awesome people amongst them. Even though I'm not catholic I'm tempted to go pick a patron saint for myself. BUT I GUESS ONLY WHITE PEPPLE CAN USE THAT TERM!!!!2 I mean it's not like there would be any non-white catholics or orthodox people. Check your privileges PoC.

I recommend St Moses the Black.  I mean just look at this badass motherfucker:

Spoilered for size
(click to show/hide)
Also, he may have been the inspiration for Jules from Pulp Fiction.

LATIN MOTHERFUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 12, 2014, 01:46:58 pm
Latine loqui tibi?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on February 12, 2014, 01:52:22 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on February 12, 2014, 02:09:17 am
So, Wil Wheaton made the awful mistake of declaring someone his spirit animal.  SJWs take it upon themselves to call him out, and he explains himself (http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/76180191594/hi-wil-im-not-trying-to-be-antagonizing-you-seem-to).  Another SJW, pissy that Wil didn't just say 'sorry, won't do it again' responds to his reply, invoking "whitesplaining" and "tone policing".  Wil responds in a less than pleasant manner (http://wilwheaton.tumblr.com/post/76180191594/hi-wil-im-not-trying-to-be-antagonizing-you-seem-to), and starts a SJW shitstorm.  All over the words 'spirit animal'.

Also, reading through notes of multiple posts about this incident, it strikes me as funny that SJWs bitch about "cis white allies who act like they have an equal voice to minorities", yet have no problems white-knighting for a cause or group that's not their own.  Bonus points if they ignore or argue with members of said cause/group.
I like how they suggest daemon as an alternative, not realizing that word is appropriated from the ancient Babalonians (I think).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 12, 2014, 02:05:59 pm
Silly John, they're Europeans, and you can't appropriate from "white" cultures.  At least, that's what their non-argument would be.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on February 12, 2014, 02:14:53 pm
Quote from: Katsuro on February 12, 2014, 11:48:50 am
Quote from: askold on February 12, 2014, 09:43:26 am
Funny that the alternatives they offer all stuff like patronus and other fictional concepts. I also loved that one reply Wheaton got where the person explains just how stupid this backlash against Wheatons use of "spirit animal" is and how the complainers had completely disregarded all european shamanistic tradition (so they basically were quilty of the crime they accused Wheaton of.)

Also I am reminded of one thing: Patron saints. You find all kinds of crazy-awesome people amongst them. Even though I'm not catholic I'm tempted to go pick a patron saint for myself. BUT I GUESS ONLY WHITE PEPPLE CAN USE THAT TERM!!!!2 I mean it's not like there would be any non-white catholics or orthodox people. Check your privileges PoC.

I recommend St Moses the Black.  I mean just look at this badass motherfucker:

Spoilered for size
(click to show/hide)



Cool. If I were to pick a Saint it would probably be someone like Ferdinand since he is the protector of engineers. Or if were looking for saints with cool names you can't go wrong with Saint Homobonus, the patron Saint of businessmen and clothworkers.

(HIS NAME IS LATING FOR GOOD MAN. HOMO = MAN, BONUS = GOOD. SO STOP GIGGLING.)

And now that I actually checked a list of saints I am saddened to see that some are clearly overworked. I mean some saints have just one profession that they watch over (skaters for example) but poor Saint George protects: agricultural workers, archers, armourers, boy scouts, butchers, cavalry, Crusaders, equestrians, farmhands, farmers, field hands, field workers, horsemen, husbandry, husbandmen, knights, riders, Rover Scouts, saddle makers, saddlers, scouts, shepherds, soldiers, Teutonic Knights (policemen and firefighters in Brazil). That is a lot of work for one saint.

Oh, wait... SOME OF THOSE ARE REDUNDANT-Mr Torgue
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 12, 2014, 04:15:30 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/168efbec6bc394aa8ed1efef0ac2ca37/tumblr_n0mv3vSzBP1ryeto5o1_400.png)

"Fatphobia hurts just as much as racism, if not more."

(http://media.tumblr.com/0e4b5973b50e7d0295eba2eb1decfd45/tumblr_inline_mqxi9lF7nY1qz4rgp.gif)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on February 12, 2014, 04:20:48 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 12, 2014, 04:15:30 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/168efbec6bc394aa8ed1efef0ac2ca37/tumblr_n0mv3vSzBP1ryeto5o1_400.png)

"Fatphobia hurts just as much as racism, if not more."

(http://media.tumblr.com/0e4b5973b50e7d0295eba2eb1decfd45/tumblr_inline_mqxi9lF7nY1qz4rgp.gif)

"We at least have moved on somewhat with racism."

I think that speaks for itself rather well, really.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 12, 2014, 07:01:50 pm
After reading that, I'm left with the impression that she doesn't know what "the scientific method" even means.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 12, 2014, 07:05:38 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on February 12, 2014, 05:08:47 pm
Apparently the scientific method is evil because it's "capitalist" and favors white men. (http://www.guerrillafem.com/2014/02/scientific-method-silences-ways-knowing-white-male/)

...

Sorry, brain broke. Come back for a witty reply later. In the meantime, please imagine a continuous stream of profanity, because that's about the perfect description of my current mental state.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 12, 2014, 07:19:27 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on February 12, 2014, 05:08:47 pm
Apparently the scientific method is evil because it's "capitalist" and favors white men. (http://www.guerrillafem.com/2014/02/scientific-method-silences-ways-knowing-white-male/)

Uuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaggghn..l

Uuuggggffffff.

Guh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 12, 2014, 08:16:35 pm
Quote
Although feminism has moved far beyond the Marxist Feminist Critiques of society, I am not able to neither reconcile nor compartmentalize these ideas as independent of each other.
(http://i.imgur.com/nRurgIh.jpg)

There. I let her picture eyeroll at her own "sentence". Double negatives galore. WTFDYM?
Also, you are a triggering counterculture thief! Stop appropriating hippie flower head bands! You're not a real hippie, you never lived back in hippie days. You have no respect for your ancestors! /SJW
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on February 12, 2014, 09:29:29 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on February 12, 2014, 05:08:47 pm
Apparently the scientific method is evil because it's "capitalist" and favors white men. (http://www.guerrillafem.com/2014/02/scientific-method-silences-ways-knowing-white-male/)

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8053916928/h7F4F3912/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 12, 2014, 11:25:19 pm
Perfect gif is perfect. 9001+ internets to you good sir. *fedora tip*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on February 13, 2014, 12:43:18 am
Apparently bisexuals aren't even human now. We're its.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/a3b945ff7e55d33ec2bb8dea6deb2962/tumblr_n0s7yeQK8q1s5805oo8_r1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 13, 2014, 12:54:07 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on February 12, 2014, 05:08:47 pm
Apparently the scientific method is evil because it's "capitalist" and favors white men. (http://www.guerrillafem.com/2014/02/scientific-method-silences-ways-knowing-white-male/)

OH MY FUCKING GOD.  Hey, you guys remember that Simpsons episode where the school is divided between boys and girls?  Y'know, the one where the girls' math class becomes so absurdly touchy-feely that Lisa fakes being a boy because she actually wants to learn useful stuff?  This woman's ideas are pretty much that plotline, except for the "separate boys and girls" part - which incidentally would prevent Lisa from escaping the hippie crap to learn unless she joined some kind of underground "We want to fucking learn!" group.

How the fuck does someone take an idea so absurd that it's played as a joke and talk about it seriously?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 13, 2014, 12:54:55 am
Quote from: Wrightway on February 13, 2014, 12:43:18 am
Apparently bisexuals aren't even human now. We're its.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/a3b945ff7e55d33ec2bb8dea6deb2962/tumblr_n0s7yeQK8q1s5805oo8_r1_1280.png)
Are the posts from radscums?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: wrightway on February 13, 2014, 12:59:22 am
http://www.afterellen.com/monica-raymund-comes-out-on-twitter/02/2014/

Probably. The quote came from a comment on the AfterEllen site, and half the commentators are making catty comments about how she only chose to be publicly bi after she got married.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 13, 2014, 11:09:06 am
Quote
"malala is a role model for EVERY LITTLE GIRL regardless of race and religion"

no no n

o

no no fuck stop it

it is not regardless of race and religion
she is a role model SPECIFICALLY for muslim little girls around the world. little white girls around the world have TONS of role models. everywhere. literally all over television, books, you name it. admire Malala, yes. that’s not what is being said. do not take something that is meant for a specific culture simply because you want it.

 ::)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 13, 2014, 12:21:40 pm
Wow, a SJW segregationist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on February 13, 2014, 12:57:14 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 13, 2014, 11:09:06 am
Quote
"malala is a role model for EVERY LITTLE GIRL regardless of race and religion"

no no n

o

no no fuck stop it

it is not regardless of race and religion
she is a role model SPECIFICALLY for muslim little girls around the world. little white girls around the world have TONS of role models. everywhere. literally all over television, books, you name it. admire Malala, yes. that’s not what is being said. do not take something that is meant for a specific culture simply because you want it.

 ::)

...my reaction cannot be put into words.

(click to show/hide)

I shall end this with an interstellar Fuck You.

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lccrk4fXYj1qdtdju.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 13, 2014, 01:56:31 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/vgzvKrr.jpg)

"I Approve. Finger Nebula is right on target, as always. Cheers!"

~ Hand of God is Gay Nebulas


(story behind nebula composite picture below)
http://www.reallyrocketscience.com/node/tag/hand-of-god (http://www.reallyrocketscience.com/node/tag/hand-of-god)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 13, 2014, 03:05:36 pm
Jesus fuck that scared the shit out of me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 13, 2014, 03:07:22 pm
 ;D Sorry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Indikins on February 13, 2014, 07:17:32 pm
Skelebula up there would make a great t-shirt.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 13, 2014, 08:40:03 pm
He has a huge motherfuckin' brain.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 13, 2014, 09:00:42 pm
That's the Thor's Helmut nebula, but I think it looks like a turban with a maharaja crest sigal in the center forehead on up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on February 14, 2014, 12:59:19 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e90ef1c9fc407c8e25451887c9e920e6/tumblr_mpfal81FNZ1stilsro1_1280.jpg)

(http://www.gurl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/martin-sheen-west-wing-president-be-wrong.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 14, 2014, 01:36:35 pm
Quote from: Damen on February 14, 2014, 12:59:19 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e90ef1c9fc407c8e25451887c9e920e6/tumblr_mpfal81FNZ1stilsro1_1280.jpg)

(http://www.gurl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/martin-sheen-west-wing-president-be-wrong.gif)

Heaven forbid the company preclude people from participating in something that could make their condition worse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 14, 2014, 02:50:52 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/jg8IPEK.jpg)

Bathroom activism!

We care about you and want to make your job easier. That's why we write obnoxious paragraphs on the wall for you to scrub off and make your job even more difficult.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on February 14, 2014, 02:56:08 pm
Regarding parasailing

Do these people not understand the meaning of the worst "suggest"?  It's advice.  Not a hard and fast rule.

Regarding obnoxious graffiti

Generally speaking, if you want someone to support the causes you support, the last thing you want to do is make your method of communication an inconvenience or a chore.  You have gone beyond chore.  You have turned it into drudgery.  You fail.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 14, 2014, 10:32:44 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/68c0fd4a2c83da9561fd6aa048fc123c/tumblr_my2cgmJLqh1ryeto5o1_400.png)

 ???
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 14, 2014, 11:00:05 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/697/970/0ff.jpg)

What.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 14, 2014, 11:18:49 pm
I was onboard until the last five words, at which point my brain crashed and I had to reboot in Protection from Stoopid Mode.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: JohnE on February 14, 2014, 11:25:26 pm
Like a lot of these SJWs, she started out on the road to a good point, but then took a wrong turn to crazy town.

*Oh nose! I said "crazy!" How neuro-typicalist of me!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 14, 2014, 11:31:08 pm
Quote from: JohnE on February 14, 2014, 11:25:26 pm
Like a lot of these SJWs, she started out on the road to a good point, but then took a wrong turn to crazy town.

*Oh nose! I said "crazy!" How neuro-typicalist of me!

I was about to say the same thing.

Do these assholes really not understand that, by labeling everything "rape", they're belittling everything that rape victims go through?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 14, 2014, 11:46:15 pm
Well, at least she's original.  I can't say I've ever heard of "the privilege to fart" before...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on February 14, 2014, 11:52:54 pm
I didn't see any vestige of a point. Farting in public is not smiled upon for anyone.

I think I'm going to start replacing words associated with insanity with "cupcakes."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on February 14, 2014, 11:58:58 pm
I expected her to say that a man farting louder than a woman was "asserting his dominance over her".  I did not expect "rape".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on February 15, 2014, 12:17:54 am
What if you try to fart louder, but you accidentally shit yourself?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 15, 2014, 12:25:32 am
That's the patriarchy backfiring.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 15, 2014, 12:52:50 am
Quote from: Lithp on February 14, 2014, 11:52:54 pm
I didn't see any vestige of a point. Farting in public is not smiled upon for anyone.

I think I'm going to start replacing words associated with insanity with "cupcakes."

I can't tell if this is a reference to a certain infamous - within the community anyway - pony fanfiction.  I'd like to pretend it is though; that just makes your post all the more amusing if it is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 15, 2014, 12:55:28 am
I'm far more amused than I probably should be at the idea of Lithp referencing My Little Pony fanfiction.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lithp on February 15, 2014, 01:08:46 am
So now even my attempts to be a sarcastic douche are being "ponified"? This is some bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 15, 2014, 01:10:55 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 14, 2014, 10:32:44 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/68c0fd4a2c83da9561fd6aa048fc123c/tumblr_my2cgmJLqh1ryeto5o1_400.png)

 ???
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 15, 2014, 01:16:23 am
Quote from: Lithp on February 15, 2014, 01:08:46 am
So now even my attempts to be a sarcastic douche are being "ponified"? This is some bullshit.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmwMxOyOPgKp5ZhrViinbUyAJC3l1INreWfNYuRCqIcjQ9NFC0R34xlUKU)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on February 15, 2014, 01:23:34 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 14, 2014, 11:31:08 pm
Quote from: JohnE on February 14, 2014, 11:25:26 pm
Like a lot of these SJWs, she started out on the road to a good point, but then took a wrong turn to crazy town.

*Oh nose! I said "crazy!" How neuro-typicalist of me!

I was about to say the same thing.

Do these assholes really not understand that, by labeling everything "rape", they're belittling everything that rape victims go through?

Hypocritically they'd say the casual use of the word rape like "I was raped by that exam" is belittling rape. And I'd agree with that and I've made that argument before. But somehow they're willing bypass that same logic for other stuff.  ??? Consistency though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 15, 2014, 01:28:15 am
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on February 15, 2014, 01:16:23 am
Quote from: Lithp on February 15, 2014, 01:08:46 am
So now even my attempts to be a sarcastic douche are being "ponified"? This is some bullshit.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmwMxOyOPgKp5ZhrViinbUyAJC3l1INreWfNYuRCqIcjQ9NFC0R34xlUKU)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Brony_eating_ponies.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 15, 2014, 09:07:47 am
Quote from: SmokingDodongo on February 15, 2014, 01:16:23 am
Quote from: Lithp on February 15, 2014, 01:08:46 am
So now even my attempts to be a sarcastic douche are being "ponified"? This is some bullshit.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmwMxOyOPgKp5ZhrViinbUyAJC3l1INreWfNYuRCqIcjQ9NFC0R34xlUKU)

(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Screen_Shot_2012-11-02_at_15_10_24_4022.png)

Aah...hats.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on February 15, 2014, 12:53:21 pm
Quote from: Saving Fish From Drowning on February 15, 2014, 01:16:23 am
Quote from: Lithp on February 15, 2014, 01:08:46 am
So now even my attempts to be a sarcastic douche are being "ponified"? This is some bullshit.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmwMxOyOPgKp5ZhrViinbUyAJC3l1INreWfNYuRCqIcjQ9NFC0R34xlUKU)

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/f0/f06e1e3c84716decda7a11fdf3c81eceb7947fa62b2eafc5008422cab62c38b7.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 15, 2014, 01:43:40 pm
MOD EDIT: I SPOILERED THAT BECAUSE THE CREEPILY SMILING CORPSE WAS CREEPING ME OUT. In the future, could you put some kind of warning before posting pictures of bodies? -Askold
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 15, 2014, 03:55:31 pm
(http://i58.tinypic.com/ieqj4h.jpg)

Uhm, chiefly, THIS IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER. Second, the character of 'Fat Amy' in the movie was confident in herself, sexy, sexual, badass, and NOBODY EVER GAVE HER CRAP ABOUT HER NAME. So I really don't understand what the problem is here other than the fact that she calls herself 'Fat Amy'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 15, 2014, 05:44:20 pm
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130328004902/glee/images/a/ac/Point_missed.gif)

Fat Amy calls herself Fat Amy so "twig bitches like [Audrey] don't do it behind [her] back".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on February 15, 2014, 05:48:43 pm
I was thinking about posting someone's crappy fan-art from deviantART of Amy Rose as monstrously obese but I can't look at any of those pictures without wanting to vomit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 15, 2014, 05:55:03 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1386ab9de07531f88e765d79b4d8016b/tumblr_n0ya3w9s5P1rfbo65o1_400.png)

It speaks for itself really.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 15, 2014, 05:56:17 pm
Quote from: Saving Fish From Drowning on February 15, 2014, 05:44:20 pm
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130328004902/glee/images/a/ac/Point_missed.gif)

Fat Amy calls herself Fat Amy so "twig bitches like [Audrey] don't do it behind [her] back".

...yes, I am aware of that. I interpreted that as her saying to anyone who might want to make fun of her, 'Yes, I know you think I'm fat--and I care so little about it that I'll make it my nickname and continue to be awesome.'

But that may just be me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 15, 2014, 06:34:39 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on February 15, 2014, 05:48:43 pm
I was thinking about posting someone's crappy fan-art from deviantART of Amy Rose as monstrously obese but I can't look at any of those pictures without wanting to vomit.

And I thank you for not posting it.

But to be honest not even that would be the worst of what DeviantArt has to offer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 15, 2014, 07:17:52 pm
It appears there is an entire niche on DA of canonically thin characters being turned monstrously obese.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 15, 2014, 08:01:23 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 15, 2014, 05:55:03 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1386ab9de07531f88e765d79b4d8016b/tumblr_n0ya3w9s5P1rfbo65o1_400.png)

It speaks for itself really.

Best trigger warnings ever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 15, 2014, 08:04:32 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on February 15, 2014, 08:01:23 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 15, 2014, 05:55:03 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1386ab9de07531f88e765d79b4d8016b/tumblr_n0ya3w9s5P1rfbo65o1_400.png)

It speaks for itself really.

Best trigger warnings ever.

I know, right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on February 15, 2014, 08:09:18 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on February 15, 2014, 05:48:43 pm
I was thinking about posting someone's crappy fan-art from deviantART of Amy Rose as monstrously obese but I can't look at any of those pictures without wanting to vomit.

Well then, I'll take the liberty of doing it for you. You can thank me later.

All sourced from DeviantArt as stated, many from the user by the name of "Virus-20". Links to original page below each image.

(click to show/hide)

 MOD EDIT: I spoilered all those to save my scrolling finger from exhaustion. ;)
- The Doctor
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 15, 2014, 08:18:00 pm
I've actually seen far worse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 15, 2014, 08:19:10 pm
I hope somebody breaks into your house and puts LEGO in your slippers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 15, 2014, 08:36:04 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 15, 2014, 08:18:00 pm
I've actually seen far worse.

As have I, actually.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 15, 2014, 08:51:53 pm
While were on the subject:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/d029e276b0f69c02ed8f1c65f9df3139/tumblr_n0v53nwWM71ryeto5o1_1280.png)

If you can't find pants in your entire country then you might have a problem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on February 15, 2014, 09:14:29 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on February 15, 2014, 08:09:18 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on February 15, 2014, 05:48:43 pm
I was thinking about posting someone's crappy fan-art from deviantART of Amy Rose as monstrously obese but I can't look at any of those pictures without wanting to vomit.

Well then, I'll take the liberty of doing it for you. You can thank me later.

All sourced from DeviantArt as stated, many from the user by the name of "Virus-20". Links to original page below each image.

*A list of eye-searing images which yes there are worse, but this shit is still horrible*

Oh god. What have I done. I just wanted to make a joke about the name "Fat Amy" from some show or whatever I have never seen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on February 15, 2014, 09:19:56 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on February 15, 2014, 08:09:18 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on February 15, 2014, 05:48:43 pm
I was thinking about posting someone's crappy fan-art from deviantART of Amy Rose as monstrously obese but I can't look at any of those pictures without wanting to vomit.

Well then, I'll take the liberty of doing it for you. You can thank me later.

*images snipped*


Could you perhaps put those behind a spoiler tag? It's quite a lot of vertical screen space.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 15, 2014, 09:32:44 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 15, 2014, 08:51:53 pm
If you can't find pants in your entire country then you might have a problem.

Yeah... Might ought to start getting concerned for your well-being when you reach that point.

Quote from: dpareja on February 15, 2014, 09:19:56 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on February 15, 2014, 08:09:18 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on February 15, 2014, 05:48:43 pm
I was thinking about posting someone's crappy fan-art from deviantART of Amy Rose as monstrously obese but I can't look at any of those pictures without wanting to vomit.

Well then, I'll take the liberty of doing it for you. You can thank me later.

*images snipped*


Could you perhaps put those behind a spoiler tag? It's quite a lot of vertical screen space.


Tis done.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on February 15, 2014, 10:38:24 pm
THE WORD BLACK IS RACIST BAWWWWW!

(http://i.imgur.com/odu6vou.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on February 15, 2014, 10:40:32 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 15, 2014, 08:51:53 pm
While were on the subject:

(click to show/hide)

If you can't find pants in your entire country then you might have a problem.

Seriously. It's no longer about privilege if you've gotten to this point. You need to worry more about seeing a doctor so you can figure out how you got to this point and how you can fix it, unless you want to quickly die.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 16, 2014, 05:46:27 am
Quote from: Sleepy on February 15, 2014, 10:40:32 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 15, 2014, 08:51:53 pm
While were on the subject:

(click to show/hide)

If you can't find pants in your entire country then you might have a problem.

Seriously. It's no longer about privilege if you've gotten to this point. You need to worry more about seeing a doctor so you can figure out how you got to this point and how you can fix it, unless you want to quickly die.

I realize being a guy that this may well not apply to me, and I know women's sizes can be fucking insane (a 12 one place is a 14 somewhere else and that kind of crap), but I've gone from 200 pounds in my senior year of high school in 2002 to now in 2014 and weighing closer to 290.  You know what? *I can still find pants*.  If there's nowhere in Canada, including big and tall stores, that can fit you... yeah, you have more problems than the stores not carrying your particular size.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 16, 2014, 01:58:02 pm
I may have felt sorry for this person if they were on the big side of average (like a size 16 or sommat) or a plus size, but living in Asia or someplace where there just aren't people who wear that size (or anything over a size 10, bitterness bitterness) and therefore there would really be no supply locally at all. Size 16 or bigger isn't THAT unusual in the West, but pretty well unheard of in, say, Korea or Japan. I would be considered shockingly obese there, and I wear a US8 clothing size.

But no, being unable to find anything in your size in CANADA sounds like you may have a problem.

While I was working at Old Navy, a pair of special-order pants from online were returned to the store. I have never seen pants this big in my life. They were A SIZE 30. I didn't even know pants CAME in that size. We needed three hangers just to hang them up and you could get a whole person in each leg.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 16, 2014, 02:05:58 pm
When you're that big, the folds of skin are so vulnerable to infection from fungi or bacteria. Yeah, it's pretty much toga time or skirts and blouses once you've gotten that big. It's far cheaper, yeah, but also better for air circulation and to avoid pressure sores on your skin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on February 16, 2014, 02:29:15 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on February 16, 2014, 02:05:58 pm
When you're that big, the folds of skin are so vulnerable to infection from fungi or bacteria. Yeah, it's pretty much toga time or skirts and blouses once you've gotten that big. It's far cheaper, yeah, but also better for air circulation and to avoid pressure sores on your skin.

Being able to wear pants is smallfat privilege! STOP OPPRESSING ME!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on February 16, 2014, 02:47:53 pm
This makes me think of the episode of The Simpsons where Homer Simpson decides to work at home by gaining weight beyond the impossible (considering he is already obese). His clothing of choice, a blouse.

Of course, the same people on Tumblr who think it's okay to be so obese will talk about how the people who made fun of Homer's new weight extremity in the same episode ring out how they "demand the same justice for this fat-shaming".

To the OP: If you're going to be a "chubby-hubby," whatever. That's okay. Just understand that you might be subject to heart disease or other infections, like what Mellen mentioned - if you're going to let all this go unregulated and get worse.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 16, 2014, 06:27:41 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on February 15, 2014, 10:40:32 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 15, 2014, 08:51:53 pm
While were on the subject:

(click to show/hide)

If you can't find pants in your entire country then you might have a problem.

Seriously. It's no longer about privilege if you've gotten to this point. You need to worry more about seeing a doctor so you can figure out how you got to this point and how you can fix it, unless you want to quickly die.

She got that point because she's a fat fetish model (she has links to her pictures on her blog).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on February 16, 2014, 07:09:26 pm
I really hate to say this, but...

Fat fetishists freak me out, a lot. And I mean people who get turned on by the same shit that was observed a page (or two) ago with the images of Amy Rose and other canonically thin/fit characters as so monstrously and unrealistically obese and not the fairly cute "chubby hubby" stuff.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 16, 2014, 10:12:41 pm
Honestly, I just found that shit to be so extreme and ludicrous that it was hilarious.  If the other two people in this place weren't asleep, and it wouldn't have run the risk of shattering my girlfriend's eardrums, I'd have busted out laughing like a fuckin hyena.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 17, 2014, 03:04:52 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/kOc68wV.png)

Gender Identity doesn't exist for you to be a special snowflake.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on February 17, 2014, 03:20:02 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 17, 2014, 03:04:52 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/kOc68wV.png)

Gender Identity doesn't exist for you to be a special snowflake.

They're kind of implying that transness and queerness are choices, whilst being straight and cis are just the default, which if anything seems anti-trans/queer to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 17, 2014, 03:47:22 pm
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on February 17, 2014, 03:20:02 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 17, 2014, 03:04:52 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/kOc68wV.png)

Gender Identity doesn't exist for you to be a special snowflake.

They're kind of implying that transness and queerness are choices, whilst being straight and cis are just the defaut, which if anything seems anti-trans/queer to me.
The cycle of pointlessly discriminating against LGBT+ people is complete.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 18, 2014, 08:41:54 am
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on February 17, 2014, 03:20:02 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 17, 2014, 03:04:52 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/kOc68wV.png)

Gender Identity doesn't exist for you to be a special snowflake.

They're kind of implying that transness and queerness are choices, whilst being straight and cis are just the default, which if anything seems anti-trans/queer to me.

Thus, my friend, you begin to truly understand.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on February 18, 2014, 05:36:57 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on February 16, 2014, 07:09:26 pm
I really hate to say this, but...

Fat fetishists freak me out, a lot. And I mean people who get turned on by the same shit that was observed a page (or two) ago with the images of Amy Rose and other canonically thin/fit characters as so monstrously and unrealistically obese and not the fairly cute "chubby hubby" stuff.

I just find them weird. But then again I have my own weird fetishes that can be taken to dangerous extremes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 18, 2014, 06:17:43 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on February 18, 2014, 05:36:57 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on February 16, 2014, 07:09:26 pm
I really hate to say this, but...

Fat fetishists freak me out, a lot. And I mean people who get turned on by the same shit that was observed a page (or two) ago with the images of Amy Rose and other canonically thin/fit characters as so monstrously and unrealistically obese and not the fairly cute "chubby hubby" stuff.

I just find them weird. But then again I have my own weird fetishes that can be taken to dangerous extremes.
Is it being naked and tied to a chair while being slapped by the tentacles of a giant woman wearing a purple S&M suit made of angry squid/maggot hybrids all while being forced to eat my own fingers in front of a ticklish anthropomorphic bisexual cat who is eating me alive while reciting lines from the powerpuff girls in a Scottish accent?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 18, 2014, 06:30:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on February 18, 2014, 06:17:43 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on February 18, 2014, 05:36:57 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on February 16, 2014, 07:09:26 pm
I really hate to say this, but...

Fat fetishists freak me out, a lot. And I mean people who get turned on by the same shit that was observed a page (or two) ago with the images of Amy Rose and other canonically thin/fit characters as so monstrously and unrealistically obese and not the fairly cute "chubby hubby" stuff.

I just find them weird. But then again I have my own weird fetishes that can be taken to dangerous extremes.
Is it being naked and tied to a chair while being slapped by the tentacles of a giant woman wearing a purple S&M suit made of angry squid/maggot hybrids all while being forced to eat my own fingers in front of a ticklish anthropomorphic bisexual cat who is eating me alive while reciting lines from the powerpuff girls in a Scottish accent?

Son, you need Jesus.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 18, 2014, 06:33:42 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on February 18, 2014, 06:30:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on February 18, 2014, 06:17:43 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on February 18, 2014, 05:36:57 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on February 16, 2014, 07:09:26 pm
I really hate to say this, but...

Fat fetishists freak me out, a lot. And I mean people who get turned on by the same shit that was observed a page (or two) ago with the images of Amy Rose and other canonically thin/fit characters as so monstrously and unrealistically obese and not the fairly cute "chubby hubby" stuff.

I just find them weird. But then again I have my own weird fetishes that can be taken to dangerous extremes.
Is it being naked and tied to a chair while being slapped by the tentacles of a giant woman wearing a purple S&M suit made of angry squid/maggot hybrids all while being forced to eat my own fingers in front of a ticklish anthropomorphic bisexual cat who is eating me alive while reciting lines from the powerpuff girls in a Scottish accent?

Son, you need Jesus.

Hey now, it's plenty kinky enough as it is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 18, 2014, 06:37:56 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 18, 2014, 06:33:42 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on February 18, 2014, 06:30:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on February 18, 2014, 06:17:43 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on February 18, 2014, 05:36:57 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on February 16, 2014, 07:09:26 pm
I really hate to say this, but...

Fat fetishists freak me out, a lot. And I mean people who get turned on by the same shit that was observed a page (or two) ago with the images of Amy Rose and other canonically thin/fit characters as so monstrously and unrealistically obese and not the fairly cute "chubby hubby" stuff.

I just find them weird. But then again I have my own weird fetishes that can be taken to dangerous extremes.
Is it being naked and tied to a chair while being slapped by the tentacles of a giant woman wearing a purple S&M suit made of angry squid/maggot hybrids all while being forced to eat my own fingers in front of a ticklish anthropomorphic bisexual cat who is eating me alive while reciting lines from the powerpuff girls in a Scottish accent?

Son, you need Jesus.

Hey now, it's plenty kinky enough as it is.
Kinky?
Jesus wearing a windmill hat and bathing in porridge.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 19, 2014, 07:33:15 pm
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douche / douche bag is a misogynistic slur that describes a shower/etc to clean a woman's vagina because women are dirty etc. when you call someone a douchebag you are insulting them on the basis that they are like a woman and that thats a bad thing bc womens bodies are dirty
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 19, 2014, 07:52:27 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on February 19, 2014, 07:33:15 pm
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douche / douche bag is a misogynistic slur that describes a shower/etc to clean a woman's vagina because women are dirty etc. when you call someone a douchebag you are insulting them on the basis that they are like a woman and that thats a bad thing bc womens bodies are dirty

This is not how comparisons work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 19, 2014, 08:04:01 pm
^ CIS SCUM, Comparison means to compare means to degrade which means that whenever things are compared, they r Aliek in all ways. Logic haz white able-bodied privilege. down with the kyriarchy!!11!!1!

...

That hurt, putting myself in their mental state. Took a few whacks to the head.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 20, 2014, 01:20:55 am
(http://i60.tinypic.com/112csd3.jpg)

Really, really hoping this is a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 20, 2014, 01:25:52 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 20, 2014, 01:20:55 am
(http://i60.tinypic.com/112csd3.jpg)

Really, really hoping this is a troll.
If not then:
Yeah, I know, cus rape isn't that big of a deal and in order to be a man you have to abe dominant and brutish!

Really helping get rid of rape culture there!!  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on February 20, 2014, 01:27:28 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 20, 2014, 01:20:55 am
(http://i60.tinypic.com/112csd3.jpg)

Really, really hoping this is a troll.

I feel ill.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on February 20, 2014, 01:31:03 am
Umm, men of color are more likely to be sent to prison because of unequal treatment in the criminal justice system. Where'd that person get "heterosexual white men" from? And that's not including trans women who get sent to male prison. Epic intersectionality fail.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 20, 2014, 07:59:41 am
Well, when your particular clique (speaking solely of SJWs, not reasonable SJAs...yes, there is a distinction) takes the Eric Cartman route to dealing with oppression, then these things are, unfortunately, to be expected.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 21, 2014, 02:20:11 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on February 20, 2014, 01:31:03 am
Umm, men of color are more likely to be sent to prison because of unequal treatment in the criminal justice system. Where'd that person get "heterosexual white men" from? And that's not including trans women who get sent to male prison. Epic intersectionality fail.

Because in the event white guys ARE sent to jail, they will find themselves vastly outnumbered by minorities. Which obviously will make white guys feel the same as minorities do outside prison. Or some shit. It isn't like there's a reason to be nervous in general in prison, since no one there is at all likely to be dangerous in any way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 21, 2014, 09:36:15 pm
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Today my academic advisor told me I “can’t expect anyone to listen to me if I didn’t do the reading”

THE READING.

OH NO I NEED TO READ THE WHITE MAN’S WORDS OR ELSE NOTHING I SAY MEANS ANYTHING! I SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO THINK MY THOUGHTS ARE VALID BECAUSE A WOCS THOUGHTS DONT MEAN SHIT WHEN A WHITE MAN “WROTE A BOOK”

Fucking college.

I don’t know why academic has this reputation of being so concerned with justice. Academia is NOT concerned with justice or activism. They silence WOC like myself pretty much every day just because we have opinions that don’t “relate” to the text.

Fuck the text. I don’t need to read the text to get an A. And fuck it, I don’t even care about grades. I don’t even want a degree anymore. I just want to be heard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 21, 2014, 10:28:58 pm
Quote from: Caitshidhe on February 21, 2014, 02:20:11 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on February 20, 2014, 01:31:03 am
Umm, men of color are more likely to be sent to prison because of unequal treatment in the criminal justice system. Where'd that person get "heterosexual white men" from? And that's not including trans women who get sent to male prison. Epic intersectionality fail.

Because in the event white guys ARE sent to jail, they will find themselves vastly outnumbered by minorities. Which obviously will make white guys feel the same as minorities do outside prison. Or some shit. It isn't like there's a reason to be nervous in general in prison, since no one there is at all likely to be dangerous in any way.

Eh, depends on where you're sent.  If you go to a prison that forms gangs/has gang members in it, you're probably going to have a pretty shitty time, regardless of race.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on February 22, 2014, 12:29:56 am
Quote from: I am lizard on February 21, 2014, 09:36:15 pm
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Today my academic advisor told me I “can’t expect anyone to listen to me if I didn’t do the reading”

THE READING.

OH NO I NEED TO READ THE WHITE MAN’S WORDS OR ELSE NOTHING I SAY MEANS ANYTHING! I SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO THINK MY THOUGHTS ARE VALID BECAUSE A WOCS THOUGHTS DONT MEAN SHIT WHEN A WHITE MAN “WROTE A BOOK”

Fucking college.

I don’t know why academic has this reputation of being so concerned with justice. Academia is NOT concerned with justice or activism. They silence WOC like myself pretty much every day just because we have opinions that don’t “relate” to the text.

Fuck the text. I don’t need to read the text to get an A. And fuck it, I don’t even care about grades. I don’t even want a degree anymore. I just want to be heard.

It gets even better. (http://endgaem.tumblr.com/post/77233565984/fucking-sick-of-college)  NOTE:  The tumblr linked is not the OP, but someone responding to her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 22, 2014, 12:43:11 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on February 22, 2014, 12:29:56 am
Quote from: I am lizard on February 21, 2014, 09:36:15 pm
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Today my academic advisor told me I “can’t expect anyone to listen to me if I didn’t do the reading”

THE READING.

OH NO I NEED TO READ THE WHITE MAN’S WORDS OR ELSE NOTHING I SAY MEANS ANYTHING! I SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO THINK MY THOUGHTS ARE VALID BECAUSE A WOCS THOUGHTS DONT MEAN SHIT WHEN A WHITE MAN “WROTE A BOOK”

Fucking college.

I don’t know why academic has this reputation of being so concerned with justice. Academia is NOT concerned with justice or activism. They silence WOC like myself pretty much every day just because we have opinions that don’t “relate” to the text.

Fuck the text. I don’t need to read the text to get an A. And fuck it, I don’t even care about grades. I don’t even want a degree anymore. I just want to be heard.

It gets even better. (http://endgaem.tumblr.com/post/77233565984/fucking-sick-of-college)  NOTE:  The tumblr linked is not the OP, but someone responding to her.

*claps for the response given by endgaem*

Also, inb4 "internalized racism" or some other bullshit justification for why this gal thinks she doesn't have to listen to the response.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 22, 2014, 12:56:19 am
Oh my ungod...

Same tumblr, on how everything is problematic (http://angryroguescholar.tumblr.com/post/77222949623/all-your-fantasy-faves-are-problematic)

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Game of Thrones

- encourages us all to hate strong women like Cersei
- mostly centers around white people
- glorifies rape and pedophilia
- misgenders Brienne of Tarth, who is genderfluid
- fetishizes gay men
- dehumanizes sex workers
- unrealistic depiction of dothraki
- fails to address atrocities of colonization (Daenerys)
- glorifies cultural appropriation (Daenerys)

I'm not sure what it even means to say that the depiction of a made-up people is unrealistic. I'm not sure I want to find out.

I'm giving even odds to Poe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 22, 2014, 12:59:00 am
Uh...what the fuck are dothraki/Daenerys?  Is that something that I would only understand if I actually watched/gave two shits about the show?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 22, 2014, 01:01:13 am
Quote from: Captain Jack Harkness on February 22, 2014, 12:59:00 am
Uh...what the fuck are dothraki/Daenerys?  Is that something that I would only understand if I actually watched/gave two shits about the show?
Yup.  Either that, or read the books.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 22, 2014, 01:05:46 am
Spoilers, I guess:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 22, 2014, 01:29:59 am
As far as "cultural appropriation" weirdos are concerned, it's wrong to EVER accept or use ANYTHING from another culture. They tend to treat individual cultures (predominately non-white ones, funny enough) as sacred cows, never to be touched by anyone but their rightful owners.

Considering that most of them are American, I wonder if they ever considered how different their lives would be if all aspects of foreign culture were erased from the United States.

.....nah, they didn't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on February 22, 2014, 01:41:57 am
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Today my academic advisor told me I “can’t expect anyone to listen to me if I didn’t do the reading”

THE READING.

OH NO I NEED TO READ THE WHITE MAN’S WORDS OR ELSE NOTHING I SAY MEANS ANYTHING! I SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO THINK MY THOUGHTS ARE VALID BECAUSE A WOCS THOUGHTS DONT MEAN SHIT WHEN A WHITE MAN “WROTE A BOOK”

Christ forbid you understand the subject of the tutorial. Presumably anything written by someone studied in university is so self-evidently false you don't even need to understand it to know it's wrong.

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Game of Thrones

- encourages us all to hate strong women like Cersei

Or like Danaeris, or like Catelyn, or like Margaery, or like Arya, or above all Brienne!

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- mostly centers around white people

That's fantasy for you.

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- glorifies rape and pedophilia

Totally, utterly untrue. Did you bother to read the books?

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- misgenders Brienne of Tarth, who is genderfluid

Says you!

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- fetishizes gay men

Bullshit.

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- dehumanizes sex workers

The opposite is true, so you were close.

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- unrealistic depiction of dothraki

"Unrealistic" in what sense?

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- fails to address atrocities of colonization (Daenerys)

Totally wrong. Read Dance of Dragons, please.

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- glorifies cultural appropriation (Daenerys)

Bullshit!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 22, 2014, 01:48:30 am
By the way, I went to the Tumblr of that chick whining about white guys writing books (angryroguescholar). Here's how she describes herself:

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WOC. 20. Sociology major. Anti-racist. Feminist. Mentally ill. DFAB Genderqueer. Pansexual. Sommalier of white tears.

She sure as hell ain't anti-racist, is probably a radical feminist, and I have no clue how you can call yourself "designated-female-at-birth genderqueer" and a "woman of color" simultaneously.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 22, 2014, 01:54:10 am
Quote from: Lt. Fred on February 22, 2014, 01:41:57 am
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- misgenders Brienne of Tarth, who is genderfluid

Says you!

I haven't seen the third season or read the books yet, so I haven't had the chance to become overly familiar with Brienne. Is there anything to support her being genderfluid, or are they just basing this on the fact that she prefers roles/clothing/etc. that are typically defined as masculine? If it's the latter, they're a massive hypocrite.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 22, 2014, 01:55:53 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 22, 2014, 01:54:10 am
Quote from: Lt. Fred on February 22, 2014, 01:41:57 am
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- misgenders Brienne of Tarth, who is genderfluid

Says you!

I haven't seen the third season or read the books yet, so I haven't had the chance to become overly familiar with Brienne. Is there anything to support her being genderfluid, or are they just basing this on the fact that she's not stereotypically girly? If it's the latter, they're massive hypocrites.

I'm finding no evidence that she's anything more than a very masculine woman.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 22, 2014, 02:01:04 am
Quote from: I am lizard on February 21, 2014, 09:36:15 pm
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Today my academic advisor told me I “can’t expect anyone to listen to me if I didn’t do the reading”

THE READING.

OH NO I NEED TO READ THE WHITE MAN’S WORDS OR ELSE NOTHING I SAY MEANS ANYTHING! I SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO THINK MY THOUGHTS ARE VALID BECAUSE A WOCS THOUGHTS DONT MEAN SHIT WHEN A WHITE MAN “WROTE A BOOK”

Fucking college.

I don’t know why academic has this reputation of being so concerned with justice. Academia is NOT concerned with justice or activism. They silence WOC like myself pretty much every day just because we have opinions that don’t “relate” to the text.

Fuck the text. I don’t need to read the text to get an A. And fuck it, I don’t even care about grades. I don’t even want a degree anymore. I just want to be heard.

You can be heard, but that doesn't mean you'll be taken seriously. If you want people to take your "activism" seriously then the first step would be reading the given material and properly critiquing it without invoking factors the author has no control over, such as their race and gender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 22, 2014, 02:03:25 am
It takes a special kind of pants-on-head retarded to accuse an author of misgendering a character that he created in the first place.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 22, 2014, 02:04:10 am
I'm starting to feel sorry for her, she's probably getting dozens of "Hope you get raped, you stupid cunt" threats now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 22, 2014, 02:07:24 am
Quote from: I am lizard on February 22, 2014, 02:04:10 am
I'm starting to feel sorry for her, she's probably getting dozens of "Hope you get raped, you stupid cunt" threats now.

Don't even get me started on the kind of people who do that kind of shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on February 22, 2014, 02:09:51 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 22, 2014, 01:54:10 am
Quote from: Lt. Fred on February 22, 2014, 01:41:57 am
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- misgenders Brienne of Tarth, who is genderfluid

Says you!

I haven't seen the third season or read the books yet, so I haven't had the chance to become overly familiar with Brienne. Is there anything to support her being genderfluid, or are they just basing this on the fact that she prefers roles/clothing/etc. that are typically defined as masculine? If it's the latter, they're a massive hypocrite.

The latter. In many ways the views we are dealing with are anti-feminist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 22, 2014, 02:11:20 am
Quote from: Captain Jack Harkness on February 22, 2014, 02:07:24 am
Quote from: I am lizard on February 22, 2014, 02:04:10 am
I'm starting to feel sorry for her, she's probably getting dozens of "Hope you get raped, you stupid cunt" threats now.

Don't even get me started on the kind of people who do that kind of shit.
The guy arguing with her is some kind of anti-feminist as well so he's not exactly a great guy or anything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 22, 2014, 04:27:55 am
(http://i.imgur.com/DmsibBI.png)

1. Ursula is fat and vain because her image was based off of a drag queen who was fat and vain. Her character was unloved because she was evil and greedy not because she was overweight. And the sequel introduced us to Morgana her skinny sister:
(http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120719182452/disney/images/0/0b/Morgana.jpg)

So if they made Ursula fat because being fat is bad why did they make her sister so thin?




Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on February 22, 2014, 05:59:42 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 22, 2014, 04:27:55 am
(http://i.imgur.com/DmsibBI.png)

1. Ursula is fat and vain because her image was based off of a drag queen who was fat and vain. Her character was unloved because she was evil and greedy not because she was overweight. And the sequel introduced us to Morgana her skinny sister:
(http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120719182452/disney/images/0/0b/Morgana.jpg)

So if they made Ursula fat because being fat is bad why did they make her sister so thin?
Also, to the "fat and bad are synonymous for Disney women", I offer my rebutal : Maleficent and the Queen from Snow White.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 22, 2014, 09:11:42 am
So quick to whine about how one fat chick in a Disney movie is an antagonist, yet they never complain about Disney's disturbing tendency to portray queens as a cadre of completely untrustworthy assholes; that if women gain any real authority and power, they become evil.  Then again, they may have reversed this trend, I dunno, I'm...not a huge fan of Disney, to be honest.  Even when I was a kid, I was largely unimpressed by them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 22, 2014, 09:20:09 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 22, 2014, 09:11:42 am
So quick to whine about how one fat chick in a Disney movie is an antagonist, yet they never complain about Disney's disturbing tendency to portray queens as a cadre of completely untrustworthy assholes; that if women gain any real authority and power, they become evil.  Then again, they may have reversed this trend, I dunno, I'm...not a huge fan of Disney, to be honest.  Even when I was a kid, I was largely unimpressed by them.

I think there's a tiny bit of reversal, thanks to Frozen.  Elsa becomes queen, and the only real threat at the time is that she can't control her abilities.  She's not malevolent herself.  She's most definitely loved and appreciated by the end of the film.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 22, 2014, 09:21:42 am
Aah, that's good.  The whole "women can have a little power, but not too much!" thing kinda bugged the crap outta me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 22, 2014, 09:32:13 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 22, 2014, 09:21:42 am
Aah, that's good.  The whole "women can have a little power, but not too much!" thing kinda bugged the crap outta me.

If you haven't seen Frozen yet, Ravy, I highly recommend it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Captain Jack Harkness on February 22, 2014, 11:36:51 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 22, 2014, 09:21:42 am
Aah, that's good.  The whole "women can have a little power, but not too much!" thing kinda bugged the crap outta me.

Because Disney never portrays males as letting power corrupt them.  Nope.  Never happens.  Or if it does it's okay because they're guys, amirite?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 22, 2014, 12:10:56 pm
Quote from: Captain Jack Harkness on February 22, 2014, 11:36:51 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 22, 2014, 09:21:42 am
Aah, that's good.  The whole "women can have a little power, but not too much!" thing kinda bugged the crap outta me.

Because Disney never portrays males as letting power corrupt them.  Nope.  Never happens.  Or if it does it's okay because they're guys, amirite?
You seem upset. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CommanderContrarian)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 22, 2014, 12:33:05 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on February 22, 2014, 05:59:42 am
Also, to the "fat and bad are synonymous for Disney women", I offer my rebutal : Maleficent and the Queen from Snow White.

Not to mention that the Queen from Snow White, and in some ways Maleficent, have often been fetishized and viewed as attractive in a femme fatale sort of way. Even to the point where Maleficent not only got her own film, but is being played by Angelina Jolie.

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I think there's a tiny bit of reversal, thanks to Frozen.  Elsa becomes queen, and the only real threat at the time is that she can't control her abilities.  She's not malevolent herself.  She's most definitely loved and appreciated by the end of the film.

Frozen is basically one gigantic reversal of every bad trope and stereotype Disney princess films have used over the years. Among others:

* Familial love and friendship are a "true love" just as much or more than romantic love.

* You shouldn't jump into a relationship with someone you just met the same day, and ESPECIALLY don't jump right into marriage; you don't know each other nearly well enough and they probably have some bad things hidden from you.

* Everyone is flawed and you can't just fix everything. But that's okay, and you should just try to fix the things that can be fixed and love the people that you want to love in spite of their flaws.

* You don't need a tough man to save the day. Women can do it themselves.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on February 22, 2014, 01:54:09 pm
Quote from: Captain Jack Harkness on February 22, 2014, 11:36:51 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 22, 2014, 09:21:42 am
Aah, that's good.  The whole "women can have a little power, but not too much!" thing kinda bugged the crap outta me.

Because Disney never portrays males as letting power corrupt them.  Nope.  Never happens.  Or if it does it's okay because they're guys, amirite?
Queen Maleficent.

Coincidence?  ;)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 23, 2014, 12:57:43 am
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Friendly reminder that “depressed” is a mood and “depression” is an illness

Just because someone is saying they feel depressed doesn’t mean they are pretending to have depression
Quote
…no. Mental disorders are not adjectives. Saying “depressed” instead of “depression” still spreads the idea that mental illness is a mood. It still trivializes mental illness. There are much more accurate words, like sad, melancholy, etc. Why use a word that’s for a medical condition? When a person with depression says, “I have depression,” or “I’m depressed,” it means the same thing—they are suffering from a mental illness. But if a person who’s not depressed says, “I’m depressed tonight,” it’s inaccurate.
Look up “mental illness stigma” or “mental disorders are not adjectives”. Here’s a start: [link] [link] Even if you have/had depression, please understand the wider implications of using mental illnesses as adjectives.

And a quote from the article:

"The stigma surrounding mental illness is very high. Society treats mental illness like a joke. This is evident in our language, in the way we use these very real disorders to describe frivolous things. I’m guilty of it. You’re probably guilty of it. We’ve all done it before, perhaps not intentionally, but slips of the tongue happen.

We want people to take these illnesses seriously. We want people to understand the severity of a diagnosis like depression, bipolar disorder, or anorexia. We want them to realize that a panic attack isn’t simple nervousness, but a terrifying, paralyzing experience. In order for this to happen, one thing we must do is change how we talk about these things. Depression is more than a bad day. Insomnia is more than a bad night. OCD is more than being a neat and clean person.

Not only does carelessness in our word choice reduce these disorders to temporary emotional states, but think about how this makes the person struggling feel. Those struggling with mental illness already often suffer in silence. If they hear you joking about what they are struggling with, why would they confide in you? We reduce their very real struggles to a sarcastic remark…”
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on February 23, 2014, 01:41:53 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 22, 2014, 09:11:42 am
So quick to whine about how one fat chick in a Disney movie is an antagonist, yet they never complain about Disney's disturbing tendency to portray queens as a cadre of completely untrustworthy assholes; that if women gain any real authority and power, they become evil.  Then again, they may have reversed this trend, I dunno, I'm...not a huge fan of Disney, to be honest.  Even when I was a kid, I was largely unimpressed by them.

Admittedly, fuck the aristocracy. So there's that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 23, 2014, 03:06:45 am
Quote from: Captain Jack Harkness on February 22, 2014, 11:36:51 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 22, 2014, 09:21:42 am
Aah, that's good.  The whole "women can have a little power, but not too much!" thing kinda bugged the crap outta me.

Because Disney never portrays males as letting power corrupt them.  Nope.  Never happens.  Or if it does it's okay because they're guys, amirite?

Someone's a mite sensitive, ain't they?  B-Man, re-up on your Chill Pills, bro.  Been down that road, it leads to nothing but frustration...and possibly acid reflux.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on February 23, 2014, 06:06:30 am
Quote from: I am lizard on February 23, 2014, 12:57:43 am
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Friendly reminder that “depressed” is a mood and “depression” is an illness

Just because someone is saying they feel depressed doesn’t mean they are pretending to have depression
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…no. Mental disorders are not adjectives. Saying “depressed” instead of “depression” still spreads the idea that mental illness is a mood. It still trivializes mental illness. There are much more accurate words, like sad, melancholy, etc. Why use a word that’s for a medical condition? When a person with depression says, “I have depression,” or “I’m depressed,” it means the same thing—they are suffering from a mental illness. But if a person who’s not depressed says, “I’m depressed tonight,” it’s inaccurate.
Look up “mental illness stigma” or “mental disorders are not adjectives”. Here’s a start: [link] [link] Even if you have/had depression, please understand the wider implications of using mental illnesses as adjectives.

And a quote from the article:

"The stigma surrounding mental illness is very high. Society treats mental illness like a joke. This is evident in our language, in the way we use these very real disorders to describe frivolous things. I’m guilty of it. You’re probably guilty of it. We’ve all done it before, perhaps not intentionally, but slips of the tongue happen.

We want people to take these illnesses seriously. We want people to understand the severity of a diagnosis like depression, bipolar disorder, or anorexia. We want them to realize that a panic attack isn’t simple nervousness, but a terrifying, paralyzing experience. In order for this to happen, one thing we must do is change how we talk about these things. Depression is more than a bad day. Insomnia is more than a bad night. OCD is more than being a neat and clean person.

Not only does carelessness in our word choice reduce these disorders to temporary emotional states, but think about how this makes the person struggling feel. Those struggling with mental illness already often suffer in silence. If they hear you joking about what they are struggling with, why would they confide in you? We reduce their very real struggles to a sarcastic remark…”

You know what's funny?  I found the article the second OP is referring to. (http://stopsuicidefl.com/2013/05/30/mental-disorders-are-not-adjectives/)  The article uses an uncredited image.  I found (http://spicecat.tumblr.com/post/51682703473/in-response-to-all-of-the-asks-i-have-gotten-regarding) the source of the image (http://ahoopforthelowly.tumblr.com/post/52242624043/spicecat-drew-a-version-of-this-a-while-ago-for) (the second link is a reblogged post since the original post no longer exists on the artist's blog).  And guess what? 

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Also, I have received a ridiculous multitude of messages telling me that “depressed” is indeed an adjective, and an emotion. And yes, you are completely correct. People can feel depressed without being clinically diagnosed, obviously.

Although like I said before- I chose the phrase “mental disorders are not adjectives” because my intentions were more so to tell how these words should not be tossed around carelessly AS adjectives. Or at least- even though depressed is an adjective and an emotion, it still should not be tossed around or carelessly used. It is a heavy disorder, word, and emotion, and it should be treated as one.
 
The “i was feeling depressed yesterday” is supposed to reference those who use “depressed” to describe when they only feel bummed out. It is NOT trying to shoot down those who actually are depressed, or are feeling depressed but aren’t clinically diagnosed, even for a day. Because we are all capable of that.
(NOTE: If you go to her blog post, some of the text is hidden and needs to be highlighted.)

She contradicts the OP, and was misinterpreted by the article writer.  It's almost like you should find out about the source of the images you're using instead of just using them without credit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on February 23, 2014, 05:41:02 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on February 23, 2014, 10:01:48 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on February 23, 2014, 06:06:30 am
Quote from: I am lizard on February 23, 2014, 12:57:43 am
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WhAt!


I'm assuming the author and artist are different people since they both have different names, and I can't find credit to the artist anywhere.  The reblog link I posted was found on the second page of google search.  The first page (the one most people see before leaving) was full of pinterest links that likewise didn't source, as well as uncredited tumblr reposts.  I don't know why the artist removed the image from her own blog but kept the post explaining it, but I'm assuming it's from nasty comments she might've gotten for it.  If you want to make sure it's actually hers, look at the rest of her art (link to her art tag is on her blog).  The drawing style is very similar (lots of crosshatching), and the handwriting is almost the same.

But yeah, the article your OP is quoting used an uncredited image and is saying things the artist didn't mean to say.  The article does the same the thing the OP did, conflating 'depressed' and 'depression'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on February 23, 2014, 05:41:38 pm
Quote from: Captain Jack Harkness on February 22, 2014, 11:36:51 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on February 22, 2014, 09:21:42 am
Aah, that's good.  The whole "women can have a little power, but not too much!" thing kinda bugged the crap outta me.

Because Disney never portrays males as letting power corrupt them.  Nope.  Never happens.  Or if it does it's okay because they're guys, amirite?

Seriously, you need to chill the fuck out. No one said that never happens. We were focusing on Disney's portrayal of women because that's what the past couple images have been about.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on February 23, 2014, 05:51:11 pm
Talking about women specifically totally means we're snubbing men, clearly. ::)

Anyways, Disney has been getting better at positive portrayal of women with power. There is still the problem where women wanting attain power/have certain types of ambitions are seen as negative but that's hardly exclusive to Disney. The change from a passive Cinderella to a more active Mulan is a good one but there could always be room for improvement.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on February 24, 2014, 10:08:52 pm
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I am sick of people thinking deodorant is optional

i’m sick of people thinking that they can judge others on a normal bodily function and that the only way they can be accepted is to wear something that is harmful/poisonous to your body. just because some men in the 1880’s decided bodily odor was no longer acceptable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on February 25, 2014, 01:09:21 am
I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SMELL LIKE AN OPEN ASSHOLE IN PUBLIC! FUCK YOU!!!

Seriously guys. This is one of the reasons I am scared to enter Anime and Comic shops, yet for some reason I have no problem entering used/international game shops. Film stores are also decent, but I often get sick of seeing the wall scrolls of mediocre/shit anime I do not care for in one store I have been to.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 25, 2014, 01:15:22 am
Well, I for one am sick of society dictating that I use toilet paper. Just because some rich old stuffy cis white heterosexual christian men from the 1430's arbitrarily decided that a nice, healthy mudbutt was no longer acceptable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 25, 2014, 01:19:57 am
I don't really give a shit if someone wants to avoid certain products if they believe they're unhealthy (even if those worries are exaggerated or outright made up in a lot of cases -- not really sure what the current consensus is on pit stick), but the freedom to have smelly armpits is so not a social justice issue.

It's the same with people harping on about tampons. If you don't want to use them, fine, but stop acting like they're an evil conspiracy by the patriarchy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 25, 2014, 01:24:19 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 25, 2014, 01:19:57 am
I don't really give a shit if someone wants to avoid certain products if they believe they're unhealthy (even if those worries are exaggerated or outright made up in a lot of cases -- not really sure what the current consensus is on pit stick), but the freedom to have smelly armpits is so not a social justice issue.

It's the same with people harping on about tampons. If you don't want to use them, fine, but stop acting like they're an evil conspiracy by the patriarchy.
Die clean scum.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on February 25, 2014, 01:29:14 am
@ Mlle Antéchrist: Exactly. There is no reason your odor should be so offensive, nor is there is a reason to use products that can be used as an alternative for insecticide; AXE products tested have killed grasshoppers, but those creatures breath by their own skin. AXE products are shit anyway, and I care even less for their advertising campaigns too. I feel like the only people who use AXE products are sexually insecure bastard men.

There is also no reason your ass should be so unclean that there is a shit stain in your underwear that is difficult to remove later on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 25, 2014, 02:04:02 am
Quote from: Alehksunos on February 25, 2014, 01:29:14 am
@ Mlle Antéchrist: Exactly. There is no reason your odor should be so offensive, nor is there is a reason to use products that can be used as an alternative for insecticide; AXE products tested have killed grasshoppers, but those creatures breath by their own skin. AXE products are shit anyway, and I care even less for their advertising campaigns too. I feel like the only people who use AXE products are sexually insecure bastard men.

There is also no reason your ass should be so unclean that there is a shit stain in your underwear that is difficult to remove later on.
Let's save the discussion on environmental ethics for later.
(I don't mean it isn't a worthwhile subject to talk about, it's just it seams like a flame magnet)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 25, 2014, 02:06:36 am
Me, I don't want to deal with smelling or cleaning up after a shitbutt.  So... if you (general 'you', of course) don't live with me, or I don't have to clean your undies, I don't really care what grody things you do in the privacy of your own home.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on February 25, 2014, 04:52:01 am
Unfortunately being gross at home doesn't mean the gross will STAY there. Some smells have that great habit of clinging to fabrics. Anyone who's been smacked in the face with the solid brick wall of odour attached to heavy smokers knows this--some smells just permeate everything and can't be eradicated by any means known to modern science. Sometimes you really can't help it, but if you CAN,  it's kind of bad form to do nothing at all and just expect everyone else to put up with your weapons-grade body odour just because you're too special a snowflake to wash yourself now and then and think a generous spray-down of Febreeze is an acceptable substitute for doing laundry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 25, 2014, 08:39:56 am
Quote from: Alehksunos on February 25, 2014, 01:29:14 am
@ Mlle Antéchrist: Exactly. There is no reason your odor should be so offensive, nor is there is a reason to use products that can be used as an alternative for insecticide; AXE products tested have killed grasshoppers, but those creatures breath by their own skin. AXE products are shit anyway, and I care even less for their advertising campaigns too. I feel like the only people who use AXE products are sexually insecure bastard men.

There is also no reason your ass should be so unclean that there is a shit stain in your underwear that is difficult to remove later on.

I use Axe...well, the deodorant (gel, because the other crap cakes on to my hair there and is difficult to wash off when I shower) and body wash.  I don't do the spray mostly out of courtesy for my girlfriend, who is none too keen on cologne, body sprays, and most perfume.

Axe uses sex to sell their shit, but you can barely see a commercial for fucking napkins that isn't sexualized.  Yeah, its kinda fucked up, but its also fucked up that a lot of advertizing depicts men as useless for anything from washing the dishes to cleaning his clothes to taking his kids to soccer practice to anything that doesn't involve a car or a grill.  Both sides of the fence are fucked in advertizing.  Personally, I'd like it if ads stuck strictly to the facts of what their shit does, like "Colgate cleans your fucking teeth, dumbass" or "wash your fucking butthole with Dial soap or you'll smell like a sack of warm manure."  Hell, I'd like it if we got over this whole "cursing" thing and let it into all TV, at the discretion of the networks themselves.  We could use more fucking cursing in god damned, anus-lancing advertizing.  Bitches.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on February 25, 2014, 11:53:30 am
There is a difference between social justice and doing whatever the fuck you want. Gender, sexuality, race, class, and disability are things that have profound life long effects and systematically informs and shapes people view and outcomes. Advocating for those things affects the lives of many people.

And then there are people who wants to stink because "fuck the power" and almost always boils down to an individual wanting to get away with something.  It's an unfortunate thing that tumblr has so much of later

P.S. They had toilet paper in Ancient China. So it's not a "western" thing. It's just a hygiene thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 25, 2014, 11:54:55 am
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Hell, I'd like it if we got over this whole "cursing" thing and let it into all TV, at the discretion of the networks themselves.  We could use more fucking cursing in god damned, anus-lancing advertizing.  Bitches.

Prada...."cuz fuck you, I'm rich!" :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 25, 2014, 04:33:56 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on February 25, 2014, 11:54:55 am
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Hell, I'd like it if we got over this whole "cursing" thing and let it into all TV, at the discretion of the networks themselves.  We could use more fucking cursing in god damned, anus-lancing advertizing.  Bitches.

Prada...."cuz fuck you, I'm rich!" :P

Exactly!  Just let 'em come right out and say it.  Sure, it might end up sounding like something straight outta Idiocracy, but it'd get so much bullshit out of the way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on February 25, 2014, 04:49:15 pm
How about diplomacy?

"The Ukrainian Parliament passed a resolution today telling Russian President Vladimir Putin to go fuck himself with a cactus."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 25, 2014, 05:55:43 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on February 25, 2014, 11:53:30 am
P.S. They had toilet paper in Ancient China. So it's not a "western" thing. It's just a hygiene thing.

Also, humanity has had perfumes since before Christianity was ever a twinkle in someone's eye. At least since the Ancient Egyptians, people have rubbed themselves with perfume, bathed in perfume, and even soaked their clothes in perfume to try and mask the bad smell caused by not getting regular baths. It just wasn't until 1888 that Mum deodorant was trademarked as such a product in Philadelphia and mass produced.

So not only is it not a western thing, it's not a Victorian thing either; humanity has been trying for literally as long as they could to avoid smelling like crap.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on February 25, 2014, 07:59:34 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on February 25, 2014, 05:55:43 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on February 25, 2014, 11:53:30 am
P.S. They had toilet paper in Ancient China. So it's not a "western" thing. It's just a hygiene thing.

Also, humanity has had perfumes since before Christianity was ever a twinkle in someone's eye. At least since the Ancient Egyptians, people have rubbed themselves with perfume, bathed in perfume, and even soaked their clothes in perfume to try and mask the bad smell caused by not getting regular baths. It just wasn't until 1888 that Mum deodorant was trademarked as such a product in Philadelphia and mass produced.

So not only is it not a western thing, it's not a Victorian thing either; humanity has been trying for literally as long as they could to avoid smelling like crap.

So, reading the through the notes again, it seems there are multiple people out there who see this as an honest to god 'body-positive' issue.  Yes, the OP was rude as hell by responding to the SJW with "Bitch you stink" (I didn't quote it), but my god, this isn't some pressing issue of injustice being forced on society by "body shaming" intolerant bigots (yes, someone responded to this by using 'body shaming').  They're crying "intolerance" when people tell them that their shit stinks, in a nearly literal sense.  Maliciously bullying someone for their BO is wrong, but telling someone they smell bad, having a physical reaction because they smell bad, and getting pissed off when they keep doing it or have a self righteous attitude about it, isn't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 26, 2014, 10:52:10 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 25, 2014, 01:19:57 am
I don't really give a shit if someone wants to avoid certain products if they believe they're unhealthy (even if those worries are exaggerated or outright made up in a lot of cases -- not really sure what the current consensus is on pit stick), but the freedom to have smelly armpits is so not a social justice issue.

It's the same with people harping on about tampons. If you don't want to use them, fine, but stop acting like they're an evil conspiracy by the patriarchy.

Speaking of tampons, there are a handful of Tumblr bloggers who are treating "free bleeding" (where women refuse to wear sanitary products and instead let their menstrual blood stain their underwear) like it's a serious movement and not started by 4chan trolls.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 26, 2014, 10:57:56 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 26, 2014, 10:52:10 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on February 25, 2014, 01:19:57 am
I don't really give a shit if someone wants to avoid certain products if they believe they're unhealthy (even if those worries are exaggerated or outright made up in a lot of cases -- not really sure what the current consensus is on pit stick), but the freedom to have smelly armpits is so not a social justice issue.

It's the same with people harping on about tampons. If you don't want to use them, fine, but stop acting like they're an evil conspiracy by the patriarchy.
Speaking of tampons, there are a handful of Tumblr bloggers who are treating "free bleeding" (where women refuse to wear sanitary products and instead let their menstrual blood stain their underwear) like it's a serious movement and not started by 4chan trolls.
They should bleed on congressmen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 27, 2014, 02:24:10 am
YAY!
I saw a real live TERF*!

(She didn't have anything particularly bad to say, so I won't bother posting her shit.)

*sorry Trans Critical Feminist, totally different!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on February 27, 2014, 02:37:34 am
Quote from: I am lizard on February 27, 2014, 02:24:10 am
YAY!
I saw a real live TERF*!

(She didn't have anything particularly bad to say, so I won't bother posting her shit.)

*sorry Trans Critical Feminist, totally different!
That reminds me of people who say they're "homocritical, "" homorealistic" or "racial realists."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 27, 2014, 02:57:25 am
Quote from: Solar Pendra on February 27, 2014, 02:37:34 am
Quote from: I am lizard link=topic=4479.msg223385#msg223385 date=13934858Devin50
YAY!
I saw a real live TERF*!

(She didn't have anything particularly bad to say, so I won't bother posting her shit.)

*sorry Trans Critical Feminist, totally different!
That reminds me of people who say they're "homocritical, "" homorealistic" or "racial realists."
Or MRA's who talk about how women need to except how things realy are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 28, 2014, 01:00:47 am
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/3bfeff4dc7c33fbee8eeb3b5e023aa8f/tumblr_n1mixvnDTP1qdxerxo1_500.jpg)
I'm mainly baffled by the fact someone thinks "Panic Attack" is ablelist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on February 28, 2014, 01:06:15 am
That one tows the line. You shouldn't trivialize mental disorders by using them as slang terms, but "depressed" meant "unhappy" before it meant "suffering from clinical depression." Also, since when is insomnia a mental disorder?

I'm more concerned about people using autism as an insult.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 28, 2014, 01:15:57 am
Quote from: Solar Pendra on February 28, 2014, 01:06:15 am
That one tows the line. You shouldn't trivialize mental disorders by using them as slang terms, but "depressed" meant "unhappy" before it meant "suffering from clinical depression." Also, since when is insomnia a mental disorder?

I'm more concerned about people using autism as an insult.
Yeah, I follow tons of SJ people on Tumblr (yes I know) and while they mainly post decent stuff they sometime get into "breathing triggers me" territory.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 28, 2014, 01:17:30 am
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Okay but seriously, don’t roll your eyes or scoff at someone because they’ve slept 7+ hours and still complain about being tired.

A lot of people who are chronically ill need sleep. A LOT of sleep. Not only that, there are people who aren’t ill that just need more sleep than others. They could also be working more than one job, and have to take care of their family.

So keep your shitty assumptions to yourself, yeah?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 28, 2014, 02:01:03 am
Shit, I remember there was a point where I felt like death warmed over for a week due to a terrible flu bug going around when I was a kid.  Know how much I slept? 14+ hours a day.  I barely ate, and dropped something like 8 pounds during that stretch.  Great for losing weight and not much else.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 28, 2014, 02:05:29 am
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on February 28, 2014, 02:01:03 am
Shit, I remember there was a point where I felt like death warmed over for a week due to a terrible flu bug going around when I was a kid.  Know how much I slept? 14+ hours a day.  I barely ate, and dropped something like 8 pounds during that stretch.  Great for losing weight and not much else.
Shit, it sounded like typical Tumblr SJ stuff,
sorry man.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 28, 2014, 11:07:13 am
Eh, no offense taken, Liz.  There are SJW's who drama over the slightest thing, including sleeping.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 28, 2014, 11:22:59 am
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on February 28, 2014, 11:07:13 am
Eh, no offense taken, Liz.  There are SJW's who drama over the slightest thing, including sleeping.
DON'T SAY SLEEP, IT'S HIGHLY TRIGGERING!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 28, 2014, 11:25:30 am
Quote from: Solar Pendra on February 28, 2014, 01:06:15 am
That one tows the line. You shouldn't trivialize mental disorders by using them as slang terms, but "depressed" meant "unhappy" before it meant "suffering from clinical depression." Also, since when is insomnia a mental disorder?

I'm more concerned about people using autism as an insult.
There are some people with long term insomnia, but it's not really on the same level as Biopolar disorder or something.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 28, 2014, 10:31:58 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9299f89ae5c2f0a1f124f0faf1a59b9f/tumblr_mzqqsg836W1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Or I could call you a special snowflake.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 01, 2014, 01:55:20 am
You know, part of me wonders if, 20 years from now, these special snowflake sjws who give themselves a hundred different labels (not counting legitimate ones like transgender/sexual/etc.) will look back on this like one would look back on their weeaboo phase.   Anyway:

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things I know about brazil:

  • jungle
  • jesus statue

The Jesus is statue is in Rio, you uneducated swine

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/5ac793640e687ede98500c06a476d203/tumblr_inline_n1islrQX511qj86cx.jpg)

She ended up deleting her blog.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 01, 2014, 01:58:19 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 01, 2014, 01:55:20 am
You know, part of me wonders if, 20 years from now, these special snowflake sjws who give themselves a hundred different labels (not counting legitimate ones like transgender/sexual/etc.) will look back on this like one would look back on their weeaboo phase.   Anyway:

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things I know about brazil:

  • jungle
  • jesus statue

The Jesus is statue is in Rio, you uneducated swine

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/5ac793640e687ede98500c06a476d203/tumblr_inline_n1islrQX511qj86cx.jpg)

She ended up deleting her blog.
I saw that post, didn't think she was serious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on March 01, 2014, 06:52:13 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 28, 2014, 10:31:58 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9299f89ae5c2f0a1f124f0faf1a59b9f/tumblr_mzqqsg836W1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Wtf? Go away with your special-snowflakery bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on March 01, 2014, 11:49:56 am
Heteroromantic?  :o
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 01, 2014, 12:33:22 pm
I guess that means she has romantic feelings towards men, but doesn't feel any sexual attraction.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 01, 2014, 02:59:46 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 01, 2014, 01:15:36 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 01, 2014, 12:33:22 pm
I guess that means she has romantic feelings towards men, but doesn't feel any sexual attraction.

Or she is attracted to anyone who is not agender.

Or she's just looking for an excuse to be a special snowflake while still watching yaoi.
I'll go with the latter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 01, 2014, 03:45:44 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/zKCT8Jy.jpg)

Not getting special accommodations that you (apparently) didn't even bother to ask for in the first place isn't oppression.
And lol at college being a "stress free environment."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on March 01, 2014, 10:36:28 pm
Any professor I've had has been very open about accommodating students with disabilities. They're required to say that the first day of class as part of the syllabus. You just need to get proper documentation. If you expect them to suddenly let you take it at home because you think it's stressful, then you're a moron.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on March 01, 2014, 10:41:08 pm
That person went to college thinking that a professor will suddenly just let her take an at home exam without prior warning? Really?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 01, 2014, 10:47:46 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on March 01, 2014, 10:36:28 pm
Any professor I've had has been very open about accommodating students with disabilities. They're required to say that the first day of class as part of the syllabus. You just need to get proper documentation. If you expect them to suddenly let you take it at home because you think it's stressful, then you're a moron.

No kidding. I understanding needing accommodations for special needs, but there's a major difference between that and being a self-entitled little brat who expects the entire class to revolve around making your life as cushy as possible. Even is she has genuine problems that make attending class difficult, she's old enough to take initiative in making proper arrangements instead of expecting the prof to drop everything last minute. Having personal issues doesn't give you a free pass from being an adult.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on March 01, 2014, 10:56:29 pm
The only time exams are a stress free environment is if you know your subject like the back of your hand or if you're cheating like a motherfucker *coughBusinessStudentscough*. That's the point of an exam, it's suppose to challenge you to know your stuff. Now if you have an anxiety disorder, then those things should be discussed with the professor when you join the class. And how does stress have anything to do with being "social"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 01, 2014, 11:19:23 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on March 01, 2014, 10:56:29 pm
And how does stress have anything to do with being "social"?

Apparently being an introvert means you should never, ever have to be around around people? Damned if I know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 01, 2014, 11:45:35 pm
So the special snowflakes are coming out of the warm cocoon that was standardized testing and are realizing that the real world doesn't give a shit about them or their "needs" and are blaming reality.

Ironbite-I weep for that generation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 01, 2014, 11:50:50 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 01, 2014, 11:45:35 pm
So the special snowflakes are coming out of the warm cocoon that was standardized testing and are realizing that the real world doesn't give a shit about them or their "needs" and are blaming reality.

Ironbite-I weep for that generation.

That's rich coming from Mr.-"You do not get to tell anyone they do not deserve allies for any REASON at all."

Reality cuts both ways.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 01, 2014, 11:55:32 pm
.....I'm sorry but what the fuck does that have anything to do with a special snowflake whinging about having to take a test with other people without telling the professor that they need special accommodations because they believe that everyone should know they're a special snowflake just by looking at them?

Ironbite-really tell me this.  I await the answer with baited breath.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 02, 2014, 12:01:35 am
Criticizing special snowflakes on a forum dedicated to social justice just strikes me as very ironic.

Then again, it is "Worst of Social Justice" (really should just be the whole SJ shindig, but some labor under the delusion that "Best of" examples exist.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 02, 2014, 12:14:13 am
.......yeah that still has nothing to do with what I said to UP a few weeks ago in this situation.

Ironbite-or were you trying to get me to blow up?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 02, 2014, 12:15:01 am
I will neither confirm nor deny such a hypothetical ulterior motive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 12:33:29 am
Quote from: Ironchew on March 02, 2014, 12:15:01 am
I will neither confirm nor deny such a hypothetical ulterior motive.

Mmm... not quite up to par. Had potential, lacked in heart.

B-

Edit:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/088dc733913a314202f36ac02df42f13/tumblr_mzs2mzPOdp1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Tumblr: A safe space to talk shit about trans men (and Jews).

And then there's this:

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/81e535e4cc446100b93cf99f9379e1ba/tumblr_n1rmtlNc101ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on March 02, 2014, 12:50:07 am
There is a difference in saying "you're a useless freak because you're overweight" versus"here are opportunities in which you can improve your health". Thisisthinprivilege does not seem to understand that difference.

(Ironically, tea-bigots hate Michelle Obama's Move campaign. Actually, they just seem to hate everything about Michelle Obama.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 02, 2014, 01:12:23 am
Nice to know you can be part of one of the most marginalized groups in the west and still be a sexist bigoted pig.  I wonder what would happen is that lesbian lady who's a transphobe (forgot her name) got a hold of this.

Also, I found the tumblr post, and looking through the notes, one of them claims that trans communities are mostly filled with trans men.  That sounds very dubious to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 02, 2014, 02:12:53 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/776368677f38b3ba7061b022d5bb856a/tumblr_mzs2l0r9aU1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Miley Cyrus likes fried chicken and waffles; tumblr has an aneurysm.

(http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tumblr_mumj8zDMbG1rgo7kvo1_500.gif)

Also, I find it interesting that fried chicken was invented in Scotland.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 02:15:48 am
Can someone help us non-Americans out by explaining chicken and waffles? I gather it's common in black communities?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 02, 2014, 02:19:05 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 02:15:48 am
Can someone help us non-Americans out by explaining chicken and waffles? I gather it's common in black communities?

Yes, but it's also very common in the Southern United States in general. Never mind that fried chicken dates back to medieval Scotland and waffles are from Europe (so accusing the combination of being distinctly black is kind of silly), it was never even exclusively associated with the black community in the first place. Many restaurants that specialize in southern cuisine serve it. Miley Cyrus is still a southern girl who just happens to be really, really weird and probably badly warped from years of Disney control. It's completely normal for her to be eating chicken and waffles.

Maybe they'd have a point if she was also eating a big slice of watermelon and had a glass of grape Kool-Aid with her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 02:33:31 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on March 02, 2014, 02:19:05 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 02:15:48 am
Can someone help us non-Americans out by explaining chicken and waffles? I gather it's common in black communities?

Yes, but it's also very common in the Southern United States in general. Never mind that fried chicken dates back to medieval Scotland and waffles are from Europe (so accusing the combination of being distinctly black is kind of silly), it was never even exclusively associated with the black community in the first place. Many restaurants that specialize in southern cuisine serve it. Miley Cyrus is still a southern girl who just happens to be really, really weird and probably badly warped from years of Disney control. It's completely normal for her to be eating chicken and waffles.

Maybe they'd have a point if she was also eating a big slice of watermelon and had a glass of grape Kool-Aid with her.

Ah, thank you. I only starting hearing about chicken and waffles recently, mostly in relation to foods common in black communities, so I was ready to give them the "trying too hard" point (between the obsessive twerking, saying she wants her albums to have a "black sound", etc. it does seem like she and her publicists are desperately trying to push an "urban hip hop" image and falling completely flat), but it sounds like this is just a Tennessean enjoying the food she grew up with.

Calling it appropriation is idiotic in any case. It's food.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on March 02, 2014, 02:45:09 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 02:33:31 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on March 02, 2014, 02:19:05 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 02:15:48 am
Can someone help us non-Americans out by explaining chicken and waffles? I gather it's common in black communities?

Yes, but it's also very common in the Southern United States in general. Never mind that fried chicken dates back to medieval Scotland and waffles are from Europe (so accusing the combination of being distinctly black is kind of silly), it was never even exclusively associated with the black community in the first place. Many restaurants that specialize in southern cuisine serve it. Miley Cyrus is still a southern girl who just happens to be really, really weird and probably badly warped from years of Disney control. It's completely normal for her to be eating chicken and waffles.

Maybe they'd have a point if she was also eating a big slice of watermelon and had a glass of grape Kool-Aid with her.

Ah, thank you. I only starting hearing about chicken and waffles recently, mostly in relation to foods common in black communities, so I was ready to give them the "trying too hard" point (between the obsessive twerking, saying she wants her albums to have a "black sound", etc. it does seem like she and her publicists are desperately trying to push an "urban hip hop" image and falling completely flat), but it sounds like this is just a Tennessean enjoying the food she grew up with.

Calling it appropriation is idiotic in any case. It's food.

Poor Black Americans in the South made fried chicken and waffle one of their dietary habits because it was relatively inexpensive to make. Eventually it evolved into our concept of "soul food". The thing is "soul food" is different things to different groups of Black American and since the South is rather rich in culinary traditions it's more of blend of different culture. I watched a documentary in which it explain that fried chicken and other such soul food were actually pushed on Black people because the rich White Southerners wanted the better food for themselves (relative). In fact, the first Black Panther movement advocated moving away from such foods since it was unhealthy for black people.

In any case, other culture also created fried chicken (try the Indonesian one, it's good).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 02:56:57 am
Quote from: gyeonghwa on March 02, 2014, 02:45:09 am
I watched a documentary in which it explain that fried chicken and other such soul food were actually pushed on Black people because the rich White Southerners wanted the better food for themselves (relative). In fact, the first Black Panther movement advocated moving away from such foods since it was unhealthy for black people.

Which documentary was this? I'm interested in watching it.

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(try the Indonesian one, it's good).

Looked it up, and damn, that looks delicious. Apparently it has less grease than American-style fried chicken too. I'll have to try it some time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on March 02, 2014, 03:04:39 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 02:56:57 am
Quote from: gyeonghwa on March 02, 2014, 02:45:09 am
I watched a documentary in which it explain that fried chicken and other such soul food were actually pushed on Black people because the rich White Southerners wanted the better food for themselves (relative). In fact, the first Black Panther movement advocated moving away from such foods since it was unhealthy for black people.

Which documentary was this? I'm interested in watching it.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/soul-food-junkies/
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 02, 2014, 03:06:58 am
A ton of cultures around the world have fried chicken. American-style fried chicken (which most of us are familiar with) likely originated in Scotland and came about in its modern form in the 19th century when Southerners were able to keep pigs as cheap food sources and use the now-inexpensive lard to fry up just about anything. That's also why the South is stereotyped as loving fried foods: it was cheap and easy to fry up anything when pig farming was so common. Asian and African cultures both have fried chicken as well, and all around the world you'll find fried foods.

That's why squawking about "cultural appropriation" often gets ridiculous. Modern culture is often a mish-mash of centuries of intermingling and "appropriation" that's been long since forgotten or handwaved by SJWs, and some aspects are common in multiple cultures. If twerking is "cultural appropriation", is it appropriation from Africans, American blacks, or Brazilians?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 03:24:11 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on March 02, 2014, 03:06:58 am
If twerking is "cultural appropriation", is it appropriation from Africans, American blacks, or Brazilians?

I wasn't saying that it's appropriation, just that I sort of agree with the bit about her coming across as a try hard (in regard to the twerking, et al.). Not that it's entirely her fault -- her publicists and managers are almost certainly the driving force behind the attempt to change her image.

Quote from: gyeonghwa on March 02, 2014, 03:04:39 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 02:56:57 am
Quote from: gyeonghwa on March 02, 2014, 02:45:09 am
I watched a documentary in which it explain that fried chicken and other such soul food were actually pushed on Black people because the rich White Southerners wanted the better food for themselves (relative). In fact, the first Black Panther movement advocated moving away from such foods since it was unhealthy for black people.

Which documentary was this? I'm interested in watching it.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/soul-food-junkies/

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 02, 2014, 03:41:46 am
It's utterly hilarious that the people who're supposedly against racism are basically saying "only black people can eat fried chicken and waffles".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 02, 2014, 04:15:18 am
Anybody on here hear about the Nash Grier stuff going on over a YouTube video?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 02, 2014, 04:19:19 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 02, 2014, 03:41:46 am
It's utterly hilarious that the people who're supposedly against racism are basically saying "only black people can eat fried chicken and waffles".

People are weird.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 02, 2014, 01:28:07 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 03:24:11 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on March 02, 2014, 03:06:58 am
If twerking is "cultural appropriation", is it appropriation from Africans, American blacks, or Brazilians?

I wasn't saying that it's appropriation, just that I sort of agree with the bit about her coming across as a try hard (in regard to the twerking, et al.). Not that it's entirely her fault -- her publicists and managers are almost certainly the driving force behind the attempt to change her image.


Oh, I know. I brought it up because the entire outcry against Miley from SJWs has been accusing her of trying to "appropriate black culture." My point is that with all of the mish-mash that modern culture is today, and with how so many specific aspects of a culture are present in various forms in other cultures, screaming "APPROPRIATION!" is utterly ridiculous.

Just about every culture that exists nowadays only exists in its current form because of appropriation that took place over centuries past, but no SJW would ever talk about that. They'll gladly eat pizza, burgers, and hot dogs when all of these "American" foods come from other cultures (hamburgers in particular are confusing, as they're believed to have originated all the way back with the Mongols and spread to Germany from there). Maybe they've said "c'est la vie" or other phrases from a foreign language, all while decrying white people who use terminology repeated from black rappers.

On top of their almost definite hypocrisy in talking about appropriation, the entire idea of "cultural appropriation" is ridiculous in more ways than one. It treats culture essentially like a sacred cow, something to be viewed carefully from afar and harshly restricted to very specific people. I'm not talking about genuinely offensive things, like Halloween costumes of racist stereotypes or turning sacred items like Native American war bonnets into cheap fashion statements. I'm talking about any attempt to prevent the intermingling of cultures, and trying to ban people from taking aspects that they enjoy and trying to incorporate them into their lives. It ironically ends up being racist in its own way: only certain people are allowed to do certain things, and another race doing it "just ain't right."

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Anybody on here hear about the Nash Grier stuff going on over a YouTube video?

Fuck that kid. Long story short, he and his friends put up a video talking about "what guys want in girls". They were basically setting their ideal standard for a girl and saying that girls should change themselves to follow it if they wanted to get a boyfriend, which included things like:

* Being petite and having a cute smile.

* Shaving all facial and body hair.

* Playing "hard to get" without being too easy, because that makes you a whore. But don't play too hard to get, or guys think you don't like them and they won't care about you.

* You can never be better at video games than a guy. Period.

The video lasted five days before backlash resulted in it being deleted.

Inspired by this, people looked up more about him. Turns out he's got a downright obscene amount of homophobic statements on his Twitter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 02, 2014, 05:03:19 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/088dc733913a314202f36ac02df42f13/tumblr_mzs2mzPOdp1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

It's apparently misogynistic to call someone out on their rampant sexism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 02, 2014, 07:41:58 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 01, 2014, 03:45:44 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/zKCT8Jy.jpg)

Not getting special accommodations that you (apparently) didn't even bother to ask for in the first place isn't oppression.
And lol at college being a "stress free environment."
If the guy had asked beforehand for some accommodations for some mental illness and they were denied then I can see this as persecution, but having to go to college is a privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 02, 2014, 08:33:30 pm
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Anybody on here hear about the Nash Grier stuff going on over a YouTube video?

Fuck that kid. Long story short, he and his friends put up a video talking about "what guys want in girls". They were basically setting their ideal standard for a girl and saying that girls should change themselves to follow it if they wanted to get a boyfriend, which included things like:

* Being petite and having a cute smile.

* Shaving all facial and body hair.

* Playing "hard to get" without being too easy, because that makes you a whore. But don't play too hard to get, or guys think you don't like them and they won't care about you.

* You can never be better at video games than a guy. Period.

The video lasted five days before backlash resulted in it being deleted.

Inspired by this, people looked up more about him. Turns out he's got a downright obscene amount of homophobic statements on his Twitter.

Well, I have heard many different accounts of it by now, including one by the internetaristocrat guy who was linked to here for his Tumblrisms videos. Due to that video by IA, I had been under the impression that the video was about what Nash thought was attractive in girls.

Accounts of internet events can be rather strange. All the same, I am glad things have been corrected.

Though this also raises some questions, which I will ask in the confidential forum.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 02, 2014, 09:00:41 pm
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Reminder to not say “same-sex marriage” as that is cissexist and transphobic as fuck.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 09:38:45 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on March 02, 2014, 01:28:07 pm
Oh, I know. I brought it up because the entire outcry against Miley from SJWs has been accusing her of trying to "appropriate black culture." My point is that with all of the mish-mash that modern culture is today, and with how so many specific aspects of a culture are present in various forms in other cultures, screaming "APPROPRIATION!" is utterly ridiculous.

Just about every culture that exists nowadays only exists in its current form because of appropriation that took place over centuries past, but no SJW would ever talk about that. They'll gladly eat pizza, burgers, and hot dogs when all of these "American" foods come from other cultures (hamburgers in particular are confusing, as they're believed to have originated all the way back with the Mongols and spread to Germany from there). Maybe they've said "c'est la vie" or other phrases from a foreign language, all while decrying white people who use terminology repeated from black rappers.

On top of their almost definite hypocrisy in talking about appropriation, the entire idea of "cultural appropriation" is ridiculous in more ways than one. It treats culture essentially like a sacred cow, something to be viewed carefully from afar and harshly restricted to very specific people. I'm not talking about genuinely offensive things, like Halloween costumes of racist stereotypes or turning sacred items like Native American war bonnets into cheap fashion statements. I'm talking about any attempt to prevent the intermingling of cultures, and trying to ban people from taking aspects that they enjoy and trying to incorporate them into their lives. It ironically ends up being racist in its own way: only certain people are allowed to do certain things, and another race doing it "just ain't right."

Ah. Yeah, I agree -- the vast majority of "cultural appropriation" claims I've seen have been utter bullshit. I can understand frustration when a new style, etc. becomes prominent within a minority and is initially regarded as "uncivilized", yet suddenly becomes cool and trendy when a white person finds a way to make money off of it and/or the white people doing it are given a disproportionate amount of credit while the minorities who originated the trend are largely ignored, but that strikes me as more of an issue of straight-up racism rather than cultural appropriation. Saying "white people can't be rappers/twerk/etc." doesn't solve the problem, or even address the core issue. If anything, it only makes the problem worse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 02, 2014, 09:39:45 pm
Am I appropriating from the Chinese if I eat rice?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 02, 2014, 09:41:43 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 02, 2014, 09:39:45 pm
Am I appropriating from the Chinese if I eat rice?

I would be completely unsurprised if somewhere on Tumblr, someone has argued that breathing is appropriating from the first animal species to breathe oxygen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 11:21:07 pm
I usually just say "same gender marriage", though I'm sure someone out there has a problem with that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 02, 2014, 11:23:28 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 11:21:07 pm
I usually just say "same gender marriage", though I'm sure someone out there has a problem with that.
Gender is fake.

Same marriage.


Same is ableist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 11:57:04 pm
"Identical identity contract union."

Edit: Although that might offend those who identify as having no identity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 03, 2014, 12:27:34 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 11:57:04 pm
"Identical identity contract union."

Edit: Although that might offend those who identify as having no identity.
Thing where stuff happens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on March 03, 2014, 12:48:26 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 02, 2014, 11:57:04 pm
"Identical identity contract union."

Edit: Although that might offend those who identify as having no identity.

It's offensive to fuckdicks with headmates multiple systems, as they have more than one identity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 03, 2014, 03:03:03 am
(http://i.imgur.com/KABLlZq.png)

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/78/78bf5710f67cc58ed1eeff021bda2590e127caf75e330faf3666279a48bf7d4d.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 03, 2014, 03:04:24 am
That's from a troll blog.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 03, 2014, 03:13:38 am
She forgot to add the 3 attempted rapes and 4 dirty thoughts-that-i-know-they-had.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 03, 2014, 03:33:29 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 03, 2014, 03:04:24 am
That's from a troll blog.

I can't tell the difference half the time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: fancy_kitten on March 03, 2014, 03:56:01 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 02, 2014, 09:39:45 pm
Am I appropriating from the Chinese if I eat rice?

No but you probably would be if you cooked a cultural Chinese recipe involving rice and called it authentic Chinese.  Cultural appropriation is about being able to do things that people from various cultures can't do without being seen as stereotypes, or taking things that have a great deal of importance to another culture and virtually none to you, like wearing an American Indian war bonnet if one isn't an American Indian.

And in response to those directly above me.... yeah, obviously a bunch of crap from an obvious troll blog didn't actually happen.  Just because a bad thing, in this case sexist oppression, doesn't constantly happen to every person it could happen to everywhere doesn't mean it isn't a problem. 

In case it isn't already fairly clear, I'm the odd person who actually pretty much supports the various causes generally known as 'social justice.'  I'm hoping you won't ban me for this, considering the fact that I've seen legitimate fundies have been allowed to have accounts here. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 03, 2014, 04:15:57 am
A lot of Tumblr users have a history of over exaggerating things.

And most people on this form support social justice. Otherwise, this thread wouldn't exist:

http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=4478.915;topicseen
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 03, 2014, 04:44:05 am
Quote from: fancy_kitten on March 03, 2014, 03:56:01 am
Cultural appropriation is about being able to do things that people from various cultures can't do without being seen as stereotypes

That's straight up racism. Appropriation is when the actual act of using a sacred cultural item is disrespectful -- what you cited deals with society's response based on race.

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or taking things that have a great deal of importance to another culture and virtually none to you, like wearing an American Indian war bonnet if one isn't an American Indian.

This, on the other hand, is misappropriation.

Also, non-Natives can wear war bonnets without disrespect if a band presents one to them & its worn in the appropriate setting. Likewise, if Natives from non-plains bands use war bonnets as fashion or to make money, it's also disrespectful.

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Just because a bad thing, in this case sexist oppression, doesn't constantly happen to every person it could happen to everywhere doesn't mean it isn't a problem. 

Well yeah, that goes without saying.

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In case it isn't already fairly clear, I'm the odd person who actually pretty much supports the various causes generally known as 'social justice.'


Most of us aren't anti-social justice, we simply take issue with people who turn it into a mockery or behave hypocritically. For instance, people whose philosophy borders on segregation (versus simply acknowledging differences and taking them into account when analyzing politics), spew outright hatred towards majorities, claim to be intersectional and then ignore regional differences, and so on.

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I'm hoping you won't ban me for this, considering the fact that I've seen legitimate fundies have been allowed to have accounts here.

I doubt you'll be banned. This forum is pretty open to social justice causes and (despite some recent drama regarding the subject) we enjoy having healthy debates.

In any case, welcome. :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: fancy_kitten on March 03, 2014, 05:20:53 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 03, 2014, 04:44:05 am

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That's straight up racism. Appropriation is when the actual act of using a sacred cultural item is disrespectful -- what you cited deals with society's response based on race.

Hmm.  I will state here that I myself am white and am only trying to do the right thing by repeating by what I've heard, so I can't speak for anyone who actually experiences racism or verify for certain if this is correct.  However, I would build on that statement by saying that cultural appropriation deserves to be defined by the people it harms, and I have seen it the term used the way I did above. 
 
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This, on the other hand, is misappropriation.

Also, non-Natives can wear war bonnets without disrespect if a band presents one to them & its worn in the appropriate setting. Likewise, if Natives from non-plains bands use war bonnets as fashion or to make money, it's also disrespectful.

Like I said, I can't personally verify if this is true.


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Well yeah, that goes without saying.

I agree


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Most of us aren't anti-social justice, we simply take issue with people who turn it into a mockery or behave hypocritically. For instance, people whose philosophy borders on segregation (versus simply acknowledging differences and taking them into account when analyzing politics), spew outright hatred towards majorities, claim to be intersectional and then ignore regional differences, and so on.

That's comforting to know.  I'll admit I may have been overzealous a minute ago, though in my defense the stuff I was reading here didn't exactly give me a lot of confidence in the direction this thread was going overall.  Also, wasn't this thread called something like "social justice advocates are my new fundies" at some point?


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I doubt you'll be banned. This forum is pretty open to social justice causes and (despite some recent drama regarding the subject) we enjoy having healthy debates.

In any case, welcome. :)

Thank you  ;)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on March 03, 2014, 06:05:44 am
I don't understand how food can ever be cultural appropriation. Taking something sacred or important to one culture and crassly commercialising it is in bad taste but I am not sure that it could ever actually harm someone. Taking food from another culture and incorporating it and making it part of your culture benefits everyone as the people from the old culture get to eat food that the like in more places. Also how else would there be Korean Burrito places. Do people really want an end to food fusion. And for instance why shouldn't someone, if they cook a food in a particular style be able to call it whatever it is.


Or do you think the Iron Chef's should have been called Iron Chef - Japanese guy cooking French style food rather than Iron Chef French.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 03, 2014, 08:36:25 am
Davedan, I now demand that you make me Korean burritos!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 03, 2014, 08:37:20 am
Fancy Kitten: Welcome to the forums.  As you posted outside of the regulation "Hi I'm New Here Thread", I'm just going to have to consume you.

Ironbite-*gets out knife and fork*  Time to dine.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 03, 2014, 08:38:39 am
Shouldn't we let her baste for a while?  Let the flavour soak in, ya know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on March 03, 2014, 10:10:27 am
I do think food can be appropriated if you make it then took all the credit for it without acknowledging the culture that you learned it from. But that is more cultural theft and is not limited to white people. The idea that simply making and eating it is appropriation is wankery at its best.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on March 03, 2014, 10:38:06 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 03, 2014, 08:36:25 am
Davedan, I now demand that you make me Korean burritos!

Being neither Korean nor central American I will give you a sao with vegemite on it instead. But in all seriousness Korean Burritos they have them in mother fucking LA.

Edit:

Gyeonghwa - I would have thought cultural appropriation would not be limited to white people either. And with food people usually acknowledge the culture it comes from because they want to tap into the market for that food.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 03, 2014, 10:43:55 am
Quote from: davedan on March 03, 2014, 10:38:06 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 03, 2014, 08:36:25 am
Davedan, I now demand that you make me Korean burritos!

Being neither Korean nor central American I will give you a sao with vegemite on it instead. But in all seriousness Korean Burritos they have them in mother fucking LA.

Edit:

Gyeonghwa - I would have thought cultural appropriation would not be limited to white people either. And with food people usually acknowledge the culture it comes from because they want to tap into the market for that food.
I think they might have been brought over by actual Koreans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on March 03, 2014, 10:53:41 am
They could have been brought over by Koreans except for the fact that they don't have burritos in Korea. 

They are a product of the interaction between the large Korean and Hispanic populations in LA. A wonderful example of cultures fusing.

Kind of like Chicken Tikka Massala which funnily enough comes from London.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 03, 2014, 11:20:05 am
Quote from: gyeonghwa on March 03, 2014, 10:10:27 am
I do think food can be appropriated if you make it then took all the credit for it without acknowledging the culture that you learned it from. But that is more cultural theft and is not limited to white people. The idea that simply making and eating it is appropriation is wankery at its best.

As far as SJWs are concerned, everything bad you can do is limited to white cissexual heterosexual people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on March 03, 2014, 12:03:12 pm
Quote from: davedan on March 03, 2014, 10:38:06 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 03, 2014, 08:36:25 am
Davedan, I now demand that you make me Korean burritos!

Being neither Korean nor central American I will give you a sao with vegemite on it instead. But in all seriousness Korean Burritos they have them in mother fucking LA.

Edit:

Gyeonghwa - I would have thought cultural appropriation would not be limited to white people either. And with food people usually acknowledge the culture it comes from because they want to tap into the market for that food.



You'd be surprise at how many people don't. I mention it primarily because tumblr has some people (thisisnotchina being one) who thinks Sriracha is the thing king of food condiments and eat it religiously but then turn around and claim stupid shit like "you can't eat our cultural food" (Because Sriracha is totally a Han Chinese name and not a Thai-Malay one.)

As for Korean tacos, stick with the soft tortilla and not the hard shell one. Personal opinion but the flavor isn't great with hard shell. The whole thing is an LA tradition.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 03, 2014, 12:13:13 pm
Quote from: davedan on March 03, 2014, 10:53:41 am
They could have been brought over by Koreans except for the fact that they don't have burritos in Korea. 

They are a product of the interaction between the large Korean and Hispanic populations in LA. A wonderful example of cultures fusing.

Kind of like Chicken Tikka Massala which funnily enough comes from London.
What I meant was that Korean-Americans helped create them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on March 03, 2014, 01:27:23 pm
I remember someone saying that people shouldn't eat Vietnamese food because it's trendy and exotic. My response was that around here (Greater Seattle), Vietnamese isn't exotic, it's just tasty food. Last summer, when I interned at my high school, I had Vietnamese food for lunch nearly every day. Why? Because I like Vietnamese, and the restaurant I found had free WiFi.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 03, 2014, 03:44:09 pm
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If you want to encourage a woman to take self-defense classes to stop her from getting raped, I just have one word: don't.  The pressure should be on men to stop raping, not on women to stop getting raped.

I hate victim blaming just as much as anyone else, but this is ridiculous.  If somebody advises me to take self-defense classes to avoid getting mugged, are they saying that the mugging would be my fault?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 03, 2014, 03:48:25 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 03, 2014, 03:44:09 pm
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If you want to encourage a woman to take self-defense classes to stop her from getting raped, I just have one word: don't.  The pressure should be on men to stop raping, not on women to stop getting raped.

I hate victim blaming just as much as anyone else, but this is ridiculous.  If somebody advises me to take self-defense classes to avoid getting mugged, are they saying that the mugging would be my fault?
(To quoted person) Pretty sure the problem lies in how we focus on what the victim should have done to prevent it rather than the people committing it.
Telling someone you know on what to do to avoid rapists (be with a group and stay in contact with them, avoid drinking to much, if you feel woozy have your friends drive you home, ect. ect.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 03, 2014, 06:02:49 pm
The only instance where I can see "taking" food from another culture being a genuine issue is when a staple food for the poor in one region suddenly becomes a fad in richer areas, thus driving up the costs and limiting access in the area where it originated. Though again, that's an issue owing to external factors (namely larger businesses absorbing most of the profits, with limited compensation for the people who relied on those foods prior to the rise in popularity) and not really a case of "appropriation".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 03, 2014, 08:15:27 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 03, 2014, 10:16:28 pm
Even for a troll that's not okay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 04, 2014, 12:52:09 am
Hey, there's that Tumblr antisemitism I was talking about earlier.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 04, 2014, 12:59:55 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 04, 2014, 12:44:04 am
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[Jewish privilege] Is denying the racism, ableism, and heterosexism of referring to the holocaust as “a Jewish tragedy” because “we suffered most”. Remember that POC, the differently abled as well as non-neurotypical, queers and the Romani people were all interned at the camps. only acknowledging the white, able bodied, straight victims is a rally shitty thing to do.

Goddammit Tumblr.

I would actually bet money this was written by an American.

6 million dead privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 04, 2014, 01:02:59 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 04, 2014, 12:44:04 am
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[Jewish privilege] Is denying the racism, ableism, and heterosexism of referring to the holocaust as “a Jewish tragedy” because “we suffered most”. Remember that POC, the differently abled as well as non-neurotypical, queers and the Romani people were all interned at the camps. only acknowledging the white, able bodied, straight victims is a rally shitty thing to do.

Goddammit Tumblr.

I would actually bet money this was written by an American.

Anyone who uses "people of colour" in an unironic manner is almost certainly American.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 04, 2014, 01:11:46 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 04, 2014, 01:02:59 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 04, 2014, 12:44:04 am
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[Jewish privilege] Is denying the racism, ableism, and heterosexism of referring to the holocaust as “a Jewish tragedy” because “we suffered most”. Remember that POC, the differently abled as well as non-neurotypical, queers and the Romani people were all interned at the camps. only acknowledging the white, able bodied, straight victims is a rally shitty thing to do.

Goddammit Tumblr.

I would actually bet money this was written by an American.

Anyone who uses "people of colour" in an unironic manner is almost certainly American.

I've come across a number of clueless, sheltered Canadian teenagers (on the internet, anyway) who have started using it, completely oblivious to the fact that they're likely to piss someone off if they try to use it in real life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 04, 2014, 01:19:09 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 04, 2014, 01:02:59 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 04, 2014, 12:44:04 am
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[Jewish privilege] Is denying the racism, ableism, and heterosexism of referring to the holocaust as “a Jewish tragedy” because “we suffered most”. Remember that POC, the differently abled as well as non-neurotypical, queers and the Romani people were all interned at the camps. only acknowledging the white, able bodied, straight victims is a rally shitty thing to do.

Goddammit Tumblr.

I would actually bet money this was written by an American.

Anyone who uses "people of colour" in an unironic manner is almost certainly American.

Ah, but "colour" would tip us off to the ruse of a Britfag pretending to be American saying it unironically, ironically.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 04, 2014, 01:26:17 am
Quote from: Ironchew on March 04, 2014, 01:19:09 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 04, 2014, 01:02:59 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 04, 2014, 12:44:04 am
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[Jewish privilege] Is denying the racism, ableism, and heterosexism of referring to the holocaust as “a Jewish tragedy” because “we suffered most”. Remember that POC, the differently abled as well as non-neurotypical, queers and the Romani people were all interned at the camps. only acknowledging the white, able bodied, straight victims is a rally shitty thing to do.

Goddammit Tumblr.

I would actually bet money this was written by an American.

Anyone who uses "people of colour" in an unironic manner is almost certainly American.

Ah, but "colour" would tip us off to the ruse of a Britfag pretending to be American saying it unironically, ironically.

Or a Canadian actually saying it unironically.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 04, 2014, 01:32:21 am
"Britfag" should be the new demonym for Canadians.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 04, 2014, 01:47:23 am
I found a rather odd response on a particular Tumblr to asking her of her ethnicity:

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i’ve had white privilege almost my entire life, so i feel uncomfortable associating myself with any sort of ethnicity other than “white”.

So.....you're white? Or are you not white, but you just call yourself that because of privilege? You look pretty Caucasian and I think you're from the Midwest.

Also, she's apparently triggered by jeans because they highlight her thighs too much. I'm deeply concerned for someone who actually suffers from some kind of post-traumatic stress over their thighs being made more prominent by their clothing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 04, 2014, 01:55:39 am
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Tip to other Americans:

Stop saying “I want to visit/live in Europe”. You cannot, and should not romanticize and fetishize non-Western cultures. Stick to our own.

"Non-western cultures".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on March 04, 2014, 02:05:07 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 04, 2014, 01:55:39 am
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Tip to other Americans:

Stop saying “I want to visit/live in Europe”. You cannot, and should not romanticize and fetishize non-Western cultures. Stick to our own.

"Non-western cultures".

My response to that:  Fuck you, good sir.  As someone with Welsh, Scottish and Irish ancestry, and having friends in the UK, Ireland, Finland and Norway, I'll gleefully tell you Téigh ar shiúl, peidiwch â thrafferthu ni unwaith eto, og faen ta deg.


... for those that are curious, that was Irish, Welsh and Norwegian, in that order, between the commas :3 Have fun with Google translate!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 04, 2014, 02:22:11 am
I have Scottish ancestry. I have full right to culturally decapitate anyone with an oversized sword.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 04, 2014, 02:47:40 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 04, 2014, 01:55:39 am
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Tip to other Americans:

Stop saying “I want to visit/live in Europe”. You cannot, and should not romanticize and fetishize non-Western cultures. Stick to our own.

"Non-western cultures".

But wait, there's more!

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Europe IS Western culture. I can’t fucking believe this.

Pretty sure it isn’t =)

For a start, Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, and other Southern Europeans aren’t white. For arguments sake we can say they’re culturally and ethnically closer to Islamic nations than Northern Europeans.

Germans, British (Tip: “British” is a term only used by Americans to lump them together; they don’t actually refer to themselves as such!), Scandinavians etc are ethnically white, but not culturally Western. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 04, 2014, 03:01:39 am
Someone go tell the Italians that they're actually a bunch of ethnic Arabs.

.....well, I sure as hell ain't gonna do it.

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(Tip: “British” is a term only used by Americans to lump them together; they don’t actually refer to themselves as such!)

You have literally never met a single British person in your life, have you?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on March 04, 2014, 03:01:55 am
*stares, beakclaws, then reaches for the alcohol...*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 04, 2014, 04:03:33 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 04, 2014, 02:47:40 am
For arguments sake we can say they’re culturally and ethnically closer to Islamic nations than Northern Europeans.
Islamic nations? You mean like Pakistan or Indonesia?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on March 04, 2014, 06:23:43 am
Is this person meant to be a social justice advocate? 'Stick to your own' sounds incredibly racist.

My tip for social justice advocates is that if your comment would not be out of place on Stormfront then you are no longer advocating social justice but rather apartheid.

Edit: Also the smug smiley face when clearly wrong is something that makes me long for the day when you can slap someone through the internet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 04, 2014, 06:32:58 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 04, 2014, 01:55:39 am
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Tip to other Americans:

Stop saying “I want to visit/live in Europe”. You cannot, and should not romanticize and fetishize non-Western cultures. Stick to our own.

"Non-western cultures".

Goddamnit, Tumblr.

Also, can we please stop with this "cultural appropriation" shit? culture does not exist in a vacuum, if whitey likes something from another culture it doesn't immediately prevent everyone else from liking it as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on March 04, 2014, 06:47:40 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 04, 2014, 06:32:58 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 04, 2014, 01:55:39 am
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Tip to other Americans:

Stop saying “I want to visit/live in Europe”. You cannot, and should not romanticize and fetishize non-Western cultures. Stick to our own.

"Non-western cultures".

Goddamnit, Tumblr.

Also, can we please stop with this "cultural appropriation" shit? culture does not exist in a vacuum, if whitey likes something from another culture it doesn't immediately prevent everyone else from liking it as well.
Also cultures mix. That's the whole point of them. Preserving some aspects of your culture is fine, but if you don't allow them to change when in contact with other cultures, they die.

See also : pizza  being insanely italian, but tomato comes from the Americas. Curry in india is a stapple of their diet, made with spices from the new world. Horse-riding cherokees? Where do you think those horse came from? Europe!
Cultures evolve and change. The only thing that changed is the pace, which granted, can be frigthening, but it's nothing new...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 04, 2014, 09:25:28 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 04, 2014, 01:55:39 am
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Tip to other Americans:

Stop saying “I want to visit/live in Europe”. You cannot, and should not romanticize and fetishize non-Western cultures. Stick to our own.

"Non-western cultures".
The girls blog also thinks consensual bsdm is unconsensual or something.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 04, 2014, 09:25:49 am
Let''s not forget that there's styles of various food items that aren't tied to their parent culture.  There's a reason its called Chicago-style deep dish pizza, after all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 04, 2014, 09:34:52 am
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Any helpful comebacks to silence body policing parents who might very well be intending to force me to see a doctor this christmas as I’m an “obvious” type 2 diabetes risk?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 04, 2014, 09:38:38 am
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Any helpful comebacks to silence body policing parents who might very well be intending to force me to see a doctor this christmas as I’m an “obvious” type 2 diabetes risk?

No, but I've got a dozen ways to silence you that don't involve killing you.  Like using epoxy or Bondo to seal that trap of your shut forever...and bind your hands to your elbows, because what you type irritates me beyond belief.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 04, 2014, 11:19:37 am
Say, if anyone Tumblrs please follow the person getting bullied in my post from earlier.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 04, 2014, 11:49:15 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 04, 2014, 11:19:37 am
Say, if anyone Tumblrs please follow the person getting bullied in my post from earlier.

Seems like a good idea. She could use the support.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on March 04, 2014, 12:00:49 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 04, 2014, 12:44:04 am
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[Jewish privilege] Is denying the racism, ableism, and heterosexism of referring to the holocaust as “a Jewish tragedy” because “we suffered most”. Remember that POC, the differently abled as well as non-neurotypical, queers and the Romani people were all interned at the camps. only acknowledging the white, able bodied, straight victims is a rally shitty thing to do.

Goddammit Tumblr.

I would actually bet money this was written by an American.

Where was that post about how Americans sees White and PoC in a very US-centric way again?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 04, 2014, 12:08:36 pm
Quote from: gyeonghwa on March 04, 2014, 12:00:49 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 04, 2014, 12:44:04 am
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[Jewish privilege] Is denying the racism, ableism, and heterosexism of referring to the holocaust as “a Jewish tragedy” because “we suffered most”. Remember that POC, the differently abled as well as non-neurotypical, queers and the Romani people were all interned at the camps. only acknowledging the white, able bodied, straight victims is a rally shitty thing to do.

Goddammit Tumblr.

I would actually bet money this was written by an American.

Where was that post about how Americans sees White and PoC in a very US-centric way again?

I swear I made a post like that about a month ago.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: gyeonghwa on March 04, 2014, 12:18:12 pm
http://black-in-asia.com/post/70367046393/whiteness-in-europe-tumblrs-us-centric-sj

Found it, Osama bin Bambi posted it.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 04, 2014, 01:17:33 pm
Essentially, this is how Social Justice Warriors define cultural appropriation.

(http://i.imgur.com/6xOl2wU.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 04, 2014, 02:23:14 pm
Don't bask in the sun for hours on end, it's appropriating lizard culture.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 04, 2014, 03:32:26 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 04, 2014, 02:47:40 am
rn cultures".

But wait, there's more!

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Europe IS Western culture. I can’t fucking believe this.

Pretty sure it isn’t =)

For a start, Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, and other Southern Europeans aren’t white. For arguments sake we can say they’re culturally and ethnically closer to Islamic nations than Northern Europeans.


" For arguments sake we can say they’re culturally and ethnically closer to Islamic nations than Northern Europeans."


(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/blissfulnblind/Europe/ItalianBoys2.jpg)
(http://www.coalitionofresistance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/greek_pensioners_protest_athens.jpg)
(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13700000/Spaniards-celebrating-fifa-world-cup-south-africa-2010-13783887-400-230.jpg)

No, they totally don't look European at all!

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Say, if anyone Tumblrs please follow the person getting bullied in my post from earlier.

That bully needs to be reported now. They've posted the other girl's Facebook account which I'm pretty certain violates Tumblr's  guidelines.

http://requiemforadeathmask.tumblr.com/post/78571871641/sarah-bunny-sarah-bunny-clementmoraschi
*Note: Linked blog is one of mine.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 04, 2014, 03:44:35 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 04, 2014, 03:32:26 pm

That bully needs to be reported now. They've posted the other girl's Facebook account which I'm pretty certain violates Tumblr's  guidelines.

http://requiemforadeathmask.tumblr.com/post/78571871641/sarah-bunny-sarah-bunny-clementmoraschi
*Note: Linked blog is one of mine.
We should try, but the Tumblr staff will probably not even bother banning.
I'm also worried they'll just create a new account.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 04, 2014, 09:34:49 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 04, 2014, 09:25:28 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 04, 2014, 01:55:39 am
Quote
Tip to other Americans:

Stop saying “I want to visit/live in Europe”. You cannot, and should not romanticize and fetishize non-Western cultures. Stick to our own.

"Non-western cultures".
The girls blog also thinks consensual bsdm is unconsensual or something.

....you know I follow a girl on twitter who's in a BDSM relationship with another woman.  It is perhaps one of the most sweetest, most loving relationships I've ever witnessed.  How the fuck is that non-consensual I'll never know?

Ironbite-for fuck's sake I bet she ships Sherlock/Watson from Sherlock.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 04, 2014, 09:43:50 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 04, 2014, 09:34:49 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 04, 2014, 09:25:28 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 04, 2014, 01:55:39 am
Quote
Tip to other Americans:

Stop saying “I want to visit/live in Europe”. You cannot, and should not romanticize and fetishize non-Western cultures. Stick to our own.

"Non-western cultures".
The girls blog also thinks consensual bsdm is unconsensual or something.

....you know I follow a girl on twitter who's in a BDSM relationship with another woman.  It is perhaps one of the most sweetest, most loving relationships I've ever witnessed.  How the fuck is that non-consensual I'll never know?

Ironbite-for fuck's sake I bet she ships Sherlock/Watson from Sherlock.
Random note, englaboo should be a thing.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 04, 2014, 09:50:16 pm
I think "teaboo" sounds better
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 04, 2014, 10:02:13 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 04, 2014, 09:50:16 pm
I think "teaboo" sounds better
Yes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 06, 2014, 03:30:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/ULUMF6D.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on March 06, 2014, 04:34:39 pm
... what the fuck is 'deathfat'?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 06, 2014, 04:49:02 pm
This goes beyond Special Snowflake Syndrome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 06, 2014, 05:29:48 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on March 06, 2014, 04:34:39 pm
... what the fuck is 'deathfat'?

As near as I can tell, what is otherwise known as "morbidly obese". Deathfats claim there's something known as "smallfat privilege", which I think is being able to wear a size 18 and find a store that stocks clothes in your size in any reasonably-sized town compared to being size 40 and having to order everything online.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 06, 2014, 05:45:56 pm
There's no such thing as "smallfat privilege", much less thin privilege... It's like, if you're morbidly obese, please get help. It's not healthy, like it or not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 06, 2014, 05:57:36 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 06, 2014, 05:45:56 pm
There's no such thing as "smallfat privilege", much less thin privilege... It's like, if you're morbidly obese, please get help. It's not healthy, like it or not.

Not saying there is. This thread isn't called "Worst of Social Justice" for nothing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 06, 2014, 06:05:07 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 06, 2014, 05:45:56 pm
There's no such thing as "smallfat privilege", much less thin privilege... It's like, if you're morbidly obese, please get help. It's not healthy, like it or not.

Spoken like someone who has plenty of thin privilege. Has it ever crossed your mind that we don't know how to effectively treat obesity yet?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 06, 2014, 06:05:48 pm
*fart*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on March 06, 2014, 06:16:22 pm
... See, I qualify as 'morbidly obese', being 5'6" and 280+.  I'll admit that I'm a fat fucker and I could stand to lose weight.  That being said? I can still find 44 and 46 waist jeans and XXL or XXXL shirts, even dress shirts, at Target, Wal-Mart, Sears and JC Penney's with little effort.  I don't even have to look online.  If you're having a hard time finding clothes that fit at an average retailer like that, the problem ain't with the rest of humanity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 06, 2014, 06:22:11 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on March 06, 2014, 06:16:22 pm
If you're having a hard time finding clothes that fit at an average retailer like that, the problem ain't with the rest of humanity.

Even if I weren't morbidly obese, I would still have to purchase the tall T-shirts. Those are hard to find in stores.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on March 06, 2014, 06:38:54 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 06, 2014, 06:22:11 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on March 06, 2014, 06:16:22 pm
If you're having a hard time finding clothes that fit at an average retailer like that, the problem ain't with the rest of humanity.

Even if I weren't morbidly obese, I would still have to purchase the tall T-shirts. Those are hard to find in stores.

There are big and tall stores, 'long' designations on shirts in some stores, online ordering... still not seeing a whole lot of issue.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 06, 2014, 06:40:52 pm
It's hardly an "average retailer" at that point, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 07, 2014, 02:34:04 am
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A Striking Similarity Between Homophobia and Fatphobia

And I stopped reading right there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 07, 2014, 03:47:01 am
Oh my god the OP is a fat "admirer."

From their titled post:
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...it means we’ve ended up in a society where good health- in the form of good medical facilities and factual information on how to avoid illnesses and problems- is no longer regarded as kindness and right to be extended to everyone, regardless of who they are...

Another post from their blog:
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Not that she started out wanting to grow fatter. That was his addiction; not hers. But she seems to have been swallowed up by the desire; internalised it… and it has grown unreasonable and insensate within her.

Everyone is entitled to factual information on good health and avoiding illness. Except for the OP's future girlfriend.



Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 07, 2014, 07:06:17 am
(http://i.imgur.com/l560Sus.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 07, 2014, 07:28:27 am
That'd be the shortest-lived revolution in history.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on March 07, 2014, 10:50:33 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 07, 2014, 07:28:27 am
That'd be the shortest-lived revolution in history.

Wouldn't it be quite a long revolution with the amount of people they'd have to kill?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 07, 2014, 11:08:58 am
Quote from: Flying Mint Bunny! on March 07, 2014, 10:50:33 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 07, 2014, 07:28:27 am
That'd be the shortest-lived revolution in history.

Wouldn't it be quite a long revolution with the amount of people they'd have to kill?
It would be like a Chihuahua calling out a hungry pack of wolves. Only messier.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 07, 2014, 11:59:22 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 07, 2014, 07:06:17 am
(http://i.imgur.com/l560Sus.jpg)

Their username is certainly correct.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 07, 2014, 12:27:45 pm
#? means what the fuck?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 07, 2014, 07:16:09 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 07, 2014, 07:06:17 am
(http://i.imgur.com/l560Sus.jpg)
I don't think he's serious, just 2 3dgE 4 m3
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 07, 2014, 11:04:17 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/71392a2d56891a407a310c8334039a96/tumblr_n0508bSgGM1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Your sexual fetishes are not orientations. Sorry, not sorry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 07, 2014, 11:10:35 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 07, 2014, 11:04:17 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/71392a2d56891a407a310c8334039a96/tumblr_n0508bSgGM1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Your sexual fetishes are not orientations. Sorry, not sorry.
Desu desu
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 08, 2014, 06:03:57 am
I'm a desu-dyke, I associate heavily with anime girls
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 08, 2014, 06:10:20 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 07, 2014, 11:04:17 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/71392a2d56891a407a310c8334039a96/tumblr_n0508bSgGM1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Your sexual fetishes are not orientations. Sorry, not sorry.
Newsflash: Wanking to lesbian porn does not make you a special snowflake. You're going to have to try a lot harder than that if you want even the Tumblr dumb fucks to think you're oh so unique.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 08, 2014, 05:57:03 pm
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Friendly reminder that anti-cheating is pro-slut shaming (◕‿◕✿)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 08, 2014, 06:27:26 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 08, 2014, 06:06:15 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 08, 2014, 05:57:03 pm
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Friendly reminder that anti-cheating is pro-slut shaming (◕‿◕✿)

I saw that one floating around because people were calling them out. The OP appears to be a troll since their blog redirects to the Mormon Jesus video.

Ah.  Well, I have seen people unironically express similar sentiments, so there's that.  There was one who said it's a wrong that a woman who knowingly and willingly cheats with someone's husband gets more flack than the husband, which I actually agree with, but the more they went on, the more it came off like a woman who knowingly and willingly cheats with someone should receive almost no flak at all because "she's not the one who made the commitment".  Well, yeah, she didn't make the commitment, but that doesn't mean she has no accountability considering she's helping to enable the bad behavior of the one who did.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on March 08, 2014, 06:52:08 pm
Cheating is overated as an offense anyway.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 08, 2014, 08:52:12 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e38f1a57112c805c4629407808b0f220/tumblr_n0510axvBD1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/8dc5c1059fab4737959be1933bb7783d/tumblr_mk39om3iT01qihztbo1_250.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 08, 2014, 08:53:55 pm
Quote from: Damen on March 08, 2014, 08:52:12 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e38f1a57112c805c4629407808b0f220/tumblr_n0510axvBD1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)
No.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 08, 2014, 08:55:59 pm
Seriously, fuck those flower smilies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 08, 2014, 09:00:10 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 08, 2014, 08:55:59 pm
Seriously, fuck those flower smilies.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTEh__Om6D3dLXNUlbwlcFl-6qYjK3RHGWEVUR_f3FuH6VPmYCGQ)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on March 09, 2014, 01:48:22 am
Quote from: Damen on March 08, 2014, 08:52:12 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e38f1a57112c805c4629407808b0f220/tumblr_n0510axvBD1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/8dc5c1059fab4737959be1933bb7783d/tumblr_mk39om3iT01qihztbo1_250.gif)

You don't know what the word rape means.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 09, 2014, 01:58:56 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/2442a0e38014009290530488726c8ba9/tumblr_mzs3ubOcl51ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Now they're just looking for stuff to be offended at.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on March 09, 2014, 05:10:40 am
Dude, I know that area.  Giant Omelette for the win.  Free food!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 09, 2014, 06:37:30 am
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"muslim fans shouldnt send death threats to"CL shouldnt have disrespected the quran "but muslim fans are send--"CL shouldnt have disrespected the quran"BUT MUSLIM FANS ARE DOING SOMETHING BAD TO"and that wouldnt have happened if CL didnt disrespect the quran

Link (http://madblackgirl.tumblr.com/post/78890377476)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 09, 2014, 09:22:44 am
I have to wonder how many rants have been posted about how Snorlax blocks various routes, is one of the heaviest Pokémon, and can only be dealt with by playing flute music.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 09, 2014, 09:47:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 09, 2014, 06:37:30 am
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"muslim fans shouldnt send death threats to"CL shouldnt have disrespected the quran "but muslim fans are send--"CL shouldnt have disrespected the quran"BUT MUSLIM FANS ARE DOING SOMETHING BAD TO"and that wouldnt have happened if CL didnt disrespect the quran
So fucking what. Oh, you got your fee-fees hurt over somebody "disrespecting" your extremely particular brand of fairy stories? Boo fucking hoo. That doesn't mean you send death threats/suggestions to commit suicide (cause I'm betting there's a fair bit of "go kill yourself" along with the "Imma kill u").
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 09, 2014, 08:37:30 pm
Who the fuck is CL and why should I care?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 09, 2014, 08:45:13 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 09, 2014, 08:37:30 pm
Who the fuck is CL and why should I care?

She's a K-pop singer who used a quran verse about heaven in one of her songs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 09, 2014, 09:16:07 pm
........HOW IS THAT MAKING FUN OF THE GOD DAMN RELIGION!?

Ironbite-*shoots Fish in the face and walks off screaming*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 09, 2014, 11:01:41 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 09, 2014, 09:16:07 pm
Ironbite-*shoots Fish in the face and walks off screaming*
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100617024309/masseffect/images/b/bd/Zaeed_Zorya_Radio.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 10, 2014, 01:18:07 am
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Re-did Garnet without the third eye. Because cultural appropriation of Hinduism/Judaism/Buddhism religion is a shitty thing to do. Further apologies for being an ass.  Will make sure to look up what i’m drawing more thoroughly and how it affects others in the future. Have a nice night.

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once again lmao that wasnt cultural appropriation and anyone who told you it is is just fucking stupid or deliberately trying to find something to complain about
including tumblr user davekat

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Wow casual ableism and disrespect to people of color AND regarding cultural appropriation and comparing cultural appropriation as complaining!!! You sure are outdoing yourself today in terms of being a disrespectful, I hope you stub your foot into a wall corner.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 10, 2014, 02:17:28 am
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pro-tip for life: don’t try to police the way fat people respond to their being fatshamed

not in real life, not in the media, not a n y w h e r e

i don’t give a fuck if you think it’s insignificnt

it matters to me

now shoo.

Looks harmless enough, until you take into consideration what the Social Justice Warriors consider to be "policing".

Quote
Because in the West, Christian religions are often the majority and have an exclusive hegemonic influence.

Are you Muslim? If not, you have no real business critiquing their practices and beliefs. That is not your work to do.

Being harassed by a ‘bible thumper’ doesn’t give you a free pass to engage in actions that either align you or outright are Islamophobic. As a Westerner, and/or a white person, critiquing Christianity is completely different from critiquing Islam.

You are ignoring historical (read: modern) context and the imbalance of power.

What is it with the Shit Rich College Kids Say lady and pandering to the insane social justice crowd? Critiquing Christianity and Islam are the same thing, no matter what SJW Nonsense you babble out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 10, 2014, 02:53:57 am
As another tumblr user pointed out, tumblr's crusade against the words 'idiot' and 'stupid' is actually making things worse by forcing the association between stupidity, idiocy, and mental disability.

Also, if this is appropriation, then wouldn't one of those religions be appropriating from the others, or does it not count if it happened before modern times?  Also, has anyone started crying 'appropriation' for Evangelion using Christian symbols?

Quote from: niam2023 on March 10, 2014, 02:17:28 am
Quote
pro-tip for life: don’t try to police the way fat people respond to their being fatshamed

not in real life, not in the media, not a n y w h e r e

i don’t give a fuck if you think it’s insignificnt

it matters to me

now shoo.

Looks harmless enough, until you take into consideration what the Social Justice Warriors consider to be "policing".

Quote
Because in the West, Christian religions are often the majority and have an exclusive hegemonic influence.

Are you Muslim? If not, you have no real business critiquing their practices and beliefs. That is not your work to do.

Being harassed by a ‘bible thumper’ doesn’t give you a free pass to engage in actions that either align you or outright are Islamophobic. As a Westerner, and/or a white person, critiquing Christianity is completely different from critiquing Islam.

You are ignoring historical (read: modern) context and the imbalance of power.

What is it with the Shit Rich College Kids Say lady and pandering to the insane social justice crowd? Critiquing Christianity and Islam are the same thing, no matter what SJW Nonsense you babble out.

Yeah, and don't even think about criticising North Korea and its starving populace and completely over-the-top worship of its heads of state.  You don't understand the deep, sacred intricacies of the culture!  And female genital mutilation?  If you haven't had it done you can't know if it's really as bad as you say, can you?  I mean, look at all those adult women making their screaming daughters go through with it.  If it was as bad as you say, they surely would've stopped the cycle long ago!  I bet you assholes would be criticizing foot-binding if it still existed, too, you white Americentric fucks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 10, 2014, 03:12:07 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 10, 2014, 02:53:57 am
As another tumblr user pointed out, tumblr's crusade against the words 'idiot' and 'stupid' is actually making things worse by forcing the association between stupidity, idiocy, and mental disability.

Also, if this is appropriation, then wouldn't one of those religions be appropriating from the others, or does it not count if it happened before modern times?  Also, has anyone started crying 'appropriation' for Evangelion using Christian symbols?

Quote from: niam2023 on March 10, 2014, 02:17:28 am
Quote
pro-tip for life: don’t try to police the way fat people respond to their being fatshamed

not in real life, not in the media, not a n y w h e r e

i don’t give a fuck if you think it’s insignificnt

it matters to me

now shoo.

Looks harmless enough, until you take into consideration what the Social Justice Warriors consider to be "policing".

Quote
Because in the West, Christian religions are often the majority and have an exclusive hegemonic influence.

Are you Muslim? If not, you have no real business critiquing their practices and beliefs. That is not your work to do.

Being harassed by a ‘bible thumper’ doesn’t give you a free pass to engage in actions that either align you or outright are Islamophobic. As a Westerner, and/or a white person, critiquing Christianity is completely different from critiquing Islam.

You are ignoring historical (read: modern) context and the imbalance of power.

What is it with the Shit Rich College Kids Say lady and pandering to the insane social justice crowd? Critiquing Christianity and Islam are the same thing, no matter what SJW Nonsense you babble out.

Yeah, and don't even think about criticising North Korea and its starving populace and completely over-the-top worship of its heads of state.  You don't understand the deep, sacred intricacies of the culture!  And female genital mutilation?  If you haven't had it done you can't know if it's really as bad as you say, can you?  I mean, look at all those adult women making their screaming daughters go through with it.  If it was as bad as you say, they surely would've stopped the cycle long ago!  I bet you assholes would be criticizing foot-binding if it still existed, too, you white Americentric fucks.
I suppose if we're talking about simpler stuff (i.e. eating dogs in Asia) then you shouldn't complain about other cultures practices, but I have a feeling that's not what she meant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 10, 2014, 09:10:35 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ehq9KNw.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on March 10, 2014, 09:34:06 am
I've come to the conclusion that most SJW don't actually want change, but just want to feel speshul and insult others while claiming to have the higher moral ground.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 10, 2014, 09:47:56 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 10, 2014, 09:10:35 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ehq9KNw.png)

Do they actually think there's some finite amount of people someone can be a role model for, and the Christian white girls are stealing all the slots and leaving Muslim girls out?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 10, 2014, 10:56:28 am
Considering the likely lacking computational power of the average SJW's brain, I would not be surprised if that were the case, Sigma.  We're like a modern AMD quad-core CPU...and they're a 286.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 10, 2014, 11:31:22 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 10, 2014, 10:56:28 am
Considering the likely lacking computational power of the average SJW's brain, I would not be surprised if that were the case, Sigma.  We're like a modern AMD quad-core CPU...and they're a 286.

Don't insult 286 processors. I learned to use a computer on one of those.

I'd compare them to the Kaypro II, but then I've used that as well and don't care to insult it, either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 10, 2014, 12:13:54 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 10, 2014, 02:17:28 am
Quote
Because in the West, Christian religions are often the majority and have an exclusive hegemonic influence.

Are you Muslim? If not, you have no real business critiquing their practices and beliefs. That is not your work to do.

Being harassed by a ‘bible thumper’ doesn’t give you a free pass to engage in actions that either align you or outright are Islamophobic. As a Westerner, and/or a white person, critiquing Christianity is completely different from critiquing Islam.

You are ignoring historical (read: modern) context and the imbalance of power.

What is it with the Shit Rich College Kids Say lady and pandering to the insane social justice crowd? Critiquing Christianity and Islam are the same thing, no matter what SJW Nonsense you babble out.

SJWs seem to have an obsession with "imbalance of power." As long as you're in the (apparent) position of power or majority, you can be freely criticized and possibly threatened with no problems whatsoever, but anyone "lesser in strength" must be carefully respected and allowed to do whatever they please because they're not the "bad guys."

Anyone who says that racism is "power plus prejudice" is a tard. Like, you're factually incorrect. You are not following reality.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 10, 2014, 01:23:53 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 10, 2014, 10:56:28 am
Considering the likely lacking computational power of the average SJW's brain, I would not be surprised if that were the case, Sigma.  We're like a modern AMD quad-core CPU...and they're a 286.

Quad-core? I'm an 8-core clocked at 4.0GHz, get on my level pleb
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 10, 2014, 05:46:03 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on March 10, 2014, 12:13:54 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 10, 2014, 02:17:28 am
Quote
Because in the West, Christian religions are often the majority and have an exclusive hegemonic influence.

Are you Muslim? If not, you have no real business critiquing their practices and beliefs. That is not your work to do.

Being harassed by a ‘bible thumper’ doesn’t give you a free pass to engage in actions that either align you or outright are Islamophobic. As a Westerner, and/or a white person, critiquing Christianity is completely different from critiquing Islam.

You are ignoring historical (read: modern) context and the imbalance of power.

What is it with the Shit Rich College Kids Say lady and pandering to the insane social justice crowd? Critiquing Christianity and Islam are the same thing, no matter what SJW Nonsense you babble out.

SJWs seem to have an obsession with "imbalance of power." As long as you're in the (apparent) position of power or majority, you can be freely criticized and possibly threatened with no problems whatsoever, but anyone "lesser in strength" must be carefully respected and allowed to do whatever they please because they're not the "bad guys."

Anyone who says that racism is "power plus prejudice" is a tard. Like, you're factually incorrect. You are not following reality.

Here's a comment on the post:

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also muslims are one of the most hated group it’s really difficult for us to take all the shit we’re given by the medias and irl, so people frustrated by irl will prob take it out on you if you criticise us in the only place where we feel safe

So, Muslims are allowed to send death threats because hardship.  Ironically, atheists and religious skeptics are among the most discriminated and distrusted groups in both Christian and Islamic countries, and now this person is basically trying to silence them even further by declaring "safe space" and justifying the use of threats.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 10, 2014, 08:24:08 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 10, 2014, 01:23:53 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 10, 2014, 10:56:28 am
Considering the likely lacking computational power of the average SJW's brain, I would not be surprised if that were the case, Sigma.  We're like a modern AMD quad-core CPU...and they're a 286.

Quad-core? I'm an 8-core clocked at 4.0GHz, get on my level pleb

We are the Centre of the Singularity, the Order in the Chaos, the Mind in the Madness.  Such archaic terminology is insufficient to describe our power.  Compared to us, you barely register as life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 10, 2014, 08:44:41 pm
I'm a swarm of nanobots that if they spread out, would cover the entire solar system plus 5 light years beyond in every direction.

Ironbite-the computing power alone is akin to the power of the gods.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 10, 2014, 09:06:41 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 10, 2014, 08:44:41 pm
I'm a swarm of nanobots that if they spread out, would cover the entire solar system plus 5 light years beyond in every direction.

Ironbite-the computing power alone is akin to the power of the gods.
BLAME!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on March 10, 2014, 10:20:47 pm
YOU STRUGGLE AGAINST THE INEVITABLE, LIKE DUST IN THE COSMIC WIND.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 11, 2014, 08:43:51 am
RUDIMENTARY CREATURES OF BLOOD AND FLESH
YOU TOUCH MY MIND, FUMBLING IN IGNORANCE, INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING
THERE IS A RHELM OF EXISTENCE SO FAR BEYOND YOUR OWN YOU CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE IT
I AM BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION
I
AM
SOVEREIGN
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 11, 2014, 09:19:47 am
We are the Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah.
We cleanse our destiny.
You will soon die.
Make whatever rituals are necessary for your species.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 11, 2014, 09:06:29 pm
Quote
Quote
I just read a post where a person innocently asked:

"I hope this isn’t a dumb question… but is it okay for me, as a cishet female, to refer to myself as ‘femme’?"

The answer was:

"First of all, the word ‘dumb’ is a HORRIBLE, ABLEIST SLUR!!!!! Don’t use that word again!!!!"

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! I love you, Tumblr!!!!!

I don’t understand this at all. The word ‘dumb’ is an ableist slur, and the person didn’t seem to be throwing any names or anything, just saying not to use it. I don’t understand what’s so horrible or assholish about calling out problematic language calmly when they were completely within their right to not be calm about it.

Tumblr is the place that fundie conservatives think liberals are trying to turn the world into.  That's not a compliment.

Seriously, it's like tumblr is trying to create newspeak by eliminating all negative terms by deeming them offensive.  Someone with a mental disorder pointed out that the new trend of crusading against words like 'stupid', 'idiot', and 'dumb' is harmful because it has to force the association between these insults and mental disability in order for their point to stand.  My guess is they clumsily argue that the since the words did originate as mental terms, they should be eliminated, ignoring the fact that they're so common and generalized now that the association doesn't really exist in the public consciousness anymore.  That's why I don't think it's comparable to 'retard', because 'retard' is still commonly associated with actual mental disability, unlike 'idiot', 'stupid', and 'dumb'.  Seriously, try describing the concept of stupidity without these common terms.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 11, 2014, 11:21:15 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 11, 2014, 09:06:29 pm
Quote
Quote
I just read a post where a person innocently asked:

"I hope this isn’t a dumb question… but is it okay for me, as a cishet female, to refer to myself as ‘femme’?"

The answer was:

"First of all, the word ‘dumb’ is a HORRIBLE, ABLEIST SLUR!!!!! Don’t use that word again!!!!"

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! I love you, Tumblr!!!!!

I don’t understand this at all. The word ‘dumb’ is an ableist slur, and the person didn’t seem to be throwing any names or anything, just saying not to use it. I don’t understand what’s so horrible or assholish about calling out problematic language calmly when they were completely within their right to not be calm about it.

Tumblr is the place that fundie conservatives think liberals are trying to turn the world into.  That's not a compliment.

Seriously, it's like tumblr is trying to create newspeak by eliminating all negative terms by deeming them offensive.  As someone with a mental disorder pointed out, the new trend of crusading against words like 'stupid', 'idiot', and 'dumb' is harmful because it has to force the association between these insults and mental disability in order for their point to stand.  My guess is they clumsily argue that the since the words did originate as mental terms, they should be eliminated, ignoring the fact that they're so common and generalized now that the association doesn't really exist in the public consciousness anymore.  That's why I don't think it's comparable to 'retard', because 'retard' is still commonly associated with actual mental disability, unlike 'idiot', 'stupid', and 'dumb'.  Seriously, try describing the concept of stupidity without these common terms.
Any term that describes the opposite of brain will be ableist according to tumblr.
Tw:brains Tw:tumblr
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 11, 2014, 11:40:49 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 11, 2014, 11:39:17 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 11, 2014, 11:21:15 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 11, 2014, 09:06:29 pm
Quote
Quote
I just read a post where a person innocently asked:

"I hope this isn’t a dumb question… but is it okay for me, as a cishet female, to refer to myself as ‘femme’?"

The answer was:

"First of all, the word ‘dumb’ is a HORRIBLE, ABLEIST SLUR!!!!! Don’t use that word again!!!!"

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! I love you, Tumblr!!!!!

I don’t understand this at all. The word ‘dumb’ is an ableist slur, and the person didn’t seem to be throwing any names or anything, just saying not to use it. I don’t understand what’s so horrible or assholish about calling out problematic language calmly when they were completely within their right to not be calm about it.

Tumblr is the place that fundie conservatives think liberals are trying to turn the world into.  That's not a compliment.

Seriously, it's like tumblr is trying to create newspeak by eliminating all negative terms by deeming them offensive.  As someone with a mental disorder pointed out, the new trend of crusading against words like 'stupid', 'idiot', and 'dumb' is harmful because it has to force the association between these insults and mental disability in order for their point to stand.  My guess is they clumsily argue that the since the words did originate as mental terms, they should be eliminated, ignoring the fact that they're so common and generalized now that the association doesn't really exist in the public consciousness anymore.  That's why I don't think it's comparable to 'retard', because 'retard' is still commonly associated with actual mental disability, unlike 'idiot', 'stupid', and 'dumb'.  Seriously, try describing the concept of stupidity without these common terms.
Any term that describes the opposite of brain will be ableist according to tumblr.
Tw:brains Tw:tumblr

In defense of Tumblr there are a number of people who disagree with how the disability rights community on Tumblr focuses on these words instead of combating actual real-life issues, such as disability access and so on.
I know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 12, 2014, 12:38:14 am
I love provoking those kinds of reactions from Tumblr's social justice wing.

My response to "horrible ableist slur" would be "well, that's kind of dumb too, isn't it?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 12, 2014, 12:38:57 am
Quote from: niam2023 on March 12, 2014, 12:38:14 am
I love provoking those kinds of reactions from Tumblr's social justice wing.

My response to "horrible ableist slur" would be "well, that's kind of dumb too, isn't it?"
You fucking retarded mothball!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 12, 2014, 12:55:08 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 11, 2014, 09:06:29 pm
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I just read a post where a person innocently asked:

"I hope this isn’t a dumb question… but is it okay for me, as a cishet female, to refer to myself as ‘femme’?"

The answer was:

"First of all, the word ‘dumb’ is a HORRIBLE, ABLEIST SLUR!!!!! Don’t use that word again!!!!"

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! I love you, Tumblr!!!!!

I don’t understand this at all. The word ‘dumb’ is an ableist slur, and the person didn’t seem to be throwing any names or anything, just saying not to use it. I don’t understand what’s so horrible or assholish about calling out problematic language calmly when they were completely within their right to not be calm about it.

Tumblr is the place that fundie conservatives think liberals are trying to turn the world into.  That's not a compliment.

Seriously, it's like tumblr is trying to create newspeak by eliminating all negative terms by deeming them offensive.  Someone with a mental disorder pointed out that the new trend of crusading against words like 'stupid', 'idiot', and 'dumb' is harmful because it has to force the association between these insults and mental disability in order for their point to stand.

So true. Most terms for mental disabilities get thrown on the euphemism treadmill sooner or later; it happened with "stupid" and "retarded" and it's happening with "autistic". It must be exhausting to have to constantly come up with new terms for groups society is predisposed to shun, but that's the lot they are cast.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 12, 2014, 09:55:25 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 12, 2014, 12:38:57 am
Quote from: niam2023 on March 12, 2014, 12:38:14 am
I love provoking those kinds of reactions from Tumblr's social justice wing.

My response to "horrible ableist slur" would be "well, that's kind of dumb too, isn't it?"
You fucking retarded mothball!

Woah, hold on there! My personal pronouns are moth/mothballs/mothself, there's no need to drag us into this!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 12, 2014, 10:36:59 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 12, 2014, 09:55:25 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 12, 2014, 12:38:57 am
Quote from: niam2023 on March 12, 2014, 12:38:14 am
I love provoking those kinds of reactions from Tumblr's social justice wing.

My response to "horrible ableist slur" would be "well, that's kind of dumb too, isn't it?"
You fucking retarded mothball!

Woah, hold on there! My personal pronouns are moth/mothballs/mothself, there's no need to drag us into this!
So you were mothgendered
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 12, 2014, 07:53:37 pm
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Yeah, because it’s everyone’s job to educate you and if they’re rude, you are totally justified in spreading misinformation about them. Also, applying this to situations other than the one he is specifically talking about is offensive as fuck and very derailing.

Did you consider that they were sick of the dozenth American asshole saying this shit to them and finally snapped? Did you consider that the British government fucking starved and oppressed Irish people throughout most of recorded history? Did it occur to you that someone said “I’m from this country,” and you responded with “oh, I’m going to visit this completely separate country that colonized and terrorized yours, but I’m going to act like they’re the same!”

Educate yourself or stop whining when people are fed up with your ignorant bullshit. That’s what fucking google is for.

You know, I can understand being pissed with the "deliberate spread of misinformation" thing, but what pisses me off is the double standard SJWs have where, if the 'cause' is right, you can be a nasty piece of shit in response to a simple mistake because you're pissed off, but if they respond to your nastiness with nastiness of their own because they're pissed off, it's somehow completely and utterly wrong.  I also hate how SJWs always insist that you must assume that the reason they're rude and nasty is because they just happened to be one hair away from snapping, and not because they're just unpleasant people.

It seems SJWs on tumblr have a pretty sweet set up going on:  criminalize words like "stupid", "dumb", "idiot", and others to stunt the terms the opposition can use, warp the term "trigger" so they don't have to deal with anything uncomfortable, and warp the term "tone policing" so they have unquestionable license to be as nasty, mean spirited, and spiteful as they want with little to no consequence without actually doing anything constructive other than making themselves feel good.

I can't remember where I heard it, and I don't remember the actual quote, but a saying about the bullied becoming the bullies they've always wanted to be springs to mind.

(God dammit, just came across an essay length post about the word "dumb" and why it's wrong and "intellect privilege", and just fuck tumblr.  Fuck tumblr.)

Edit:  I just realized; I wonder if the "tone policing" SJ crowd will fight with the "'dumb' is wrong" SJ crowd.  After all, arguing that these terms are wrong and "intellect privilege" doesn't seem to mesh well with the "it's not my job to educate you, *insert insult*" philosophy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 12, 2014, 09:52:45 pm
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lol whoops
EDIT: spoiler'd because big fucking image
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 12, 2014, 09:57:24 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 12, 2014, 09:52:45 pm
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lol whoops
EDIT: spoiler'd because big fucking image
To be honest, while it isn't exactly a shining example of greatness for the Tumblr SJ community, it hardly seems bad enough to be on a thread full of people talking about how men deserve to be raped. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 12, 2014, 10:35:40 pm
http://fuckingsassysprinkles.tumblr.com/post/79192798693/just-a-friendly-reminder-that-u-should-call-ur

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Just a friendly reminder that u should call ur animals by gender-neutral or multiple pronouns.  They CAN understand you and YES it is possible for an animal to be trans.  Your cat having a penis does not make it male.  It is straight up animal abuse to deliberately misgender your pets so please do not do it.

What.

What.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 12, 2014, 10:38:38 pm
Oh my god.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 12, 2014, 10:40:06 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 12, 2014, 10:35:40 pm
http://fuckingsassysprinkles.tumblr.com/post/79192798693/just-a-friendly-reminder-that-u-should-call-ur

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Just a friendly reminder that u should call ur animals by gender-neutral or multiple pronouns.  They CAN understand you and YES it is possible for an animal to be trans.  Your cat having a penis does not make it male.  It is straight up animal abuse to deliberately misgender your pets so please do not do it.

Up until now I didn't think these tumblr blogs actually existed. I'm still not sure if I believe their authors are sincere.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 12, 2014, 10:40:33 pm
The rest of her blog is also batshit insane.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 12, 2014, 10:44:41 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 12, 2014, 10:35:40 pm
http://fuckingsassysprinkles.tumblr.com/post/79192798693/just-a-friendly-reminder-that-u-should-call-ur

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Just a friendly reminder that u should call ur animals by gender-neutral or multiple pronouns.  They CAN understand you and YES it is possible for an animal to be trans.  Your cat having a penis does not make it male.  It is straight up animal abuse to deliberately misgender your pets so please do not do it.

What.

What.
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POC. Glittery sissy genderqueer, androgy-femme/glamdrogynous. Demiqueer, multisexual, florasexual. Disabled (ADD and OCD). I check my thin privilege daily. You can ask me questions about my identity but DO NOT POLICE IT. My triggers include blood, red meat, rape/non-consent, molestation, abuse of any sort, objectification of women, racism and ableism. Let me know if I fail at tagging.

Okay, not to bring up flamebait, but I think someone is just giving themselves labels to feel special.
Aslo,  can get the blood thing as that's a real phobia, but red meat? Seriously? Did steak kill your father or something or are you just a wussy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 12, 2014, 10:44:56 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 12, 2014, 10:40:33 pm
The rest of her blog is also batshit insane.

I see that...

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Look.

Just look.

If a person more oppressed than you says something while venting you cannot be “offended” by it.  Fuck your sensitivities.  It doesn’t matter if you have sources of oppression too.  If you are a white gay man and a genderqueer WOC says you ain’t shit, deal with it.

Like I’m thin, and if a fat person wants to vent about thin people it’s fine.  That’s their right.  They have earned it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 12, 2014, 10:47:14 pm
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IF YOU ARE A WHITE CISHET MEN GET THE FUCK OUT AND NEVER FOLLOW ME. :3 <3

I confess, I am actually two men.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 12, 2014, 10:53:42 pm
wow, such goldmine, very Diggersby, much snowflake, such PC.


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    YOUR PREFERENCES = SOCIETAL STANDARDS OF BEAUTY

    SOCIETAL STANDARDS OF BEAUTY = INVENTED BY WHITE CISHET MEN

    WHITE CISHET MEN = OPPRESSIVE

    YOUR PREFERENCES = OPPRESSIVE

    If you deem someone unfuckable because of a “preference” you are an oppressor.



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Doge is ridiculously ableist.  Like I get that the dog is supposed to be st*pid but honestly you are making him sound like a LOT of people actually sound which is really problematic.




 
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  Trans men are men. Its not about you.

    White trans women are white. its not about us.

    Trans activism should be centering trans women of color. Not men. Not white women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 12, 2014, 10:57:36 pm
Wow. Just...wow.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/fd7d7e252623dda7cbd2527954190c9b/tumblr_n058a69Lgo1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 12, 2014, 11:08:28 pm
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Your sexual preference IS oppressive.  I don’t care if you “can’t control” what you are attracted to.  By not being attracted to (insert group here) you are actively oppressing them.

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I don’t care if you are a lesbian, or not a white cishet man or whatever.  If you wont’ date someone because they are fat or trans you are literal garbage.

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Just so you know, Attention Deficit Disorder and Obssesive Compulsive Disorder are not disabilities. They are disorders. There is a diffierence.

This is identity policing.

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If you are a cishet white man your opinion is not always invalid. It’s not invalid if you want to talk about mayo or white bread or if you are in the middle of confessing to rape. It is only invalid if you are trying to silence the oppressed and tell them that something isn’t offensive to them (Um, if it offended them THEN BY DEFINITION IT IS OFFENSIVE). Like fine white cishet men your opinions on the Big Bang Theory aren’t invalid but your opinions on rape culture ultimately are…sry

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 12, 2014, 11:23:53 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 12, 2014, 10:53:42 pm
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Doge is ridiculously ableist.  Like I get that the dog is supposed to be st*pid but honestly you are making him sound like a LOT of people actually sound which is really problematic.

(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/44853692.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 12, 2014, 11:25:26 pm
( I hope this is a troll)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on March 12, 2014, 11:32:37 pm
....I've got nothing
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 13, 2014, 12:14:44 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 13, 2014, 12:01:43 am
To a certain extent this one has a point, and the original context would be good because it would really clear up the writer's intentions. If they're talking about people with sexual preferences in regards to race, I would have to agree. It's  racist because it stereotypes the appearance and beauty of an entire race of people. Furthermore a lot of the people who claim to only be "attracted to certain races" do it for really creepy racist fetishistic reasons (see: "yellow fever").
That's still bullshit, as some people genuinely are or aren't attracted to certain races. As in, it's not some sort of fashion statement, but rather certain races just happen to either do it for them or not. Considering people have no conscious control over their sexual, it's utterly stupid to suggest they're bigoted just for being more or less attracted to certain races than others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 13, 2014, 12:44:34 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 13, 2014, 12:01:43 am
Quote from: dpareja on March 12, 2014, 10:40:06 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 12, 2014, 10:35:40 pm
http://fuckingsassysprinkles.tumblr.com/post/79192798693/just-a-friendly-reminder-that-u-should-call-ur

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Just a friendly reminder that u should call ur animals by gender-neutral or multiple pronouns.  They CAN understand you and YES it is possible for an animal to be trans.  Your cat having a penis does not make it male.  It is straight up animal abuse to deliberately misgender your pets so please do not do it.

Up until now I didn't think these tumblr blogs actually existed. I'm still not sure if I believe their authors are sincere.


I strongly suspect she is a troll. She supposedly believes vampires are oversexualized (truly the civil rights struggle of our time) and that "florasexual" is a legitimate sexual attraction to plants. Other "SJ" people who reblog her are just laughing at her... definitely a troll IMO.

Quote from: Damen on March 12, 2014, 10:57:36 pm
Wow. Just...wow.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/fd7d7e252623dda7cbd2527954190c9b/tumblr_n058a69Lgo1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

I have heard that many pro-ana and pro-mia sites encourage users to take up veganism, vegetarianism, and other fad diets (like whatever the fuck "pranic nutrition" is) as excuses to eat less and purge.

Quote from: dpareja on March 12, 2014, 11:08:28 pm
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Your sexual preference IS oppressive.  I don’t care if you “can’t control” what you are attracted to.  By not being attracted to (insert group here) you are actively oppressing them.

To a certain extent this one has a point, and the original context would be good because it would really clear up the writer's intentions. If they're talking about people with sexual preferences in regards to race, I would have to agree. It's  racist because it stereotypes the appearance and beauty of an entire race of people. Furthermore a lot of the people who claim to only be "attracted to certain races" do it for really creepy racist fetishistic reasons (see: "yellow fever").
Could have said that before I shipped her the "Weeaboo of the Year Award".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 13, 2014, 01:12:20 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 13, 2014, 12:14:44 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 13, 2014, 12:01:43 am
To a certain extent this one has a point, and the original context would be good because it would really clear up the writer's intentions. If they're talking about people with sexual preferences in regards to race, I would have to agree. It's  racist because it stereotypes the appearance and beauty of an entire race of people. Furthermore a lot of the people who claim to only be "attracted to certain races" do it for really creepy racist fetishistic reasons (see: "yellow fever").
That's still bullshit, as some people genuinely are or aren't attracted to certain races. As in, it's not some sort of fashion statement, but rather certain races just happen to either do it for them or not. Considering people have no conscious control over their sexual, it's utterly stupid to suggest they're bigoted just for being more or less attracted to certain races than others.
And just because someone is not attracted to person X of ethnic group Y it does not mean that they are opressing them.

If they won't hire them because they only hire "sexy" ladies/dudes or otherwise discriminate people, in their job or otherwise, then that is discrimination regardless of the reason. Doesn't really make a difference if douchebag A shouts at people on the streets for them having the wrong skin colour or if they don't like their nose or something. Likewise catcalls and such are wrong wether the person doing them is attracted to the other one due to their ethnicity or big tits.

Ok, that was confusing, I am agreeing in the part that wether or not you are sexually attracted to ethnicity may be a reason for a person to be racist/bigot, but it is justification for it and neither does it mean that being attracted to ethnicity is wrong in itself. Just because I might think that a person who does not share my skin colour is attractive does not mean that I'm going to go bother them, just like if I don't find someone to be attractive does not mean that I'm going to go insult them or refuse to serve them in a store or something.

And another thing: I am iffy when someone claims that not being attracted to a certain ethnic group or body type or whatever is "wrong," this is because I'm not sure what they expect the offenders to do. If Mr. Smith says that he just doesn't think guys are sexy is he opressing someone and should he be forced to like guys? If KKK member B says he will never have a sex with a black woman (I think in most cases the feeling would be mutual) does that mean that he should be forced to have sex with black woman? I know I'm taking this off into a weird direction but it is just that even if someones bigotry affects who they would like to bone or vice versa, I think that only their opressive behaviour should be policed.

One incident that I am reminded of and have probably mentioned already was when a Finnish miss [something or other competition] said she isn't interested in "mocha cocks" and people were outraged. Ok, she might be a racist but what are you going to do? Is she suddenly not allowed to choose who she would like to have sex with? Does she also refuse to work with a person who happens to have a coffee coloured penis? Does she demand that such people be deported or not allowed work in the country? Because some of those racist things are and should be punishable but when people say that person X does not have the right to like/notlike person Y you cross a line.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2014, 08:25:58 am
Yeaaaaaaaah, its still bullshit, no matter what plate on which you serve it.  For example, I could not be in a relationship with a Jewish woman, or any religious woman, really.  I've thankfully spent quite a lot of time out of a church, and I'd like to keep it that way.  I'd also never conform to a Jewish (or Muslim, or Hindu, or vegetarian, or vegan) diet for the sake of fucking anyone.  I like my bacon, my shrimp, and my burgers, and I'll be damned if I'm givin 'em the fuck up because my SO's religion and/or ideology finds it offensive.

My attractions are also, typically, limited to white and Asian cissexual women.  OH NO, I've gone and offended Tumblr by even implying that I wouldn't want to date a black woman, or a transsexual.  What ever shall I do?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 13, 2014, 09:27:11 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2014, 08:25:58 am
My attractions are also, typically, limited to white and Asian cissexual women.  OH NO, I've gone and offended Tumblr by even implying that I wouldn't want to date a black woman, or a transsexual.  What ever shall I do?
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 13, 2014, 11:06:04 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2014, 08:25:58 am


My attractions are also, typically, limited to white and Asian cissexual women.  OH NO, I've gone and offended Tumblr by even implying that I wouldn't want to date a black woman, or a transsexual.  What ever shall I do?
Continue on with life because these people don't matter in  life?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on March 13, 2014, 11:53:25 am
Some people take attraction too seriously. For example, I'm not very attracted to darker skintones, but it has nothing to do with the person's ethnicity or the culture that their ethnicity may imply. It just means that I'm not attracted to darker skin. Just like I'm not attracted to super-tan skin. Or blue skin. That doesn't prevent me from dating someone with one of those skintones, but it means that I'm typically not physically attracted to them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 13, 2014, 11:56:51 am
Quote from: Sleepy on March 13, 2014, 11:53:25 am
Just like I'm not attracted to super-tan skin. Or blue skin.
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 13, 2014, 12:46:53 pm
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Doge is ridiculously ableist.  Like I get that the dog is supposed to be st*pid but honestly you are making him sound like a LOT of people actually sound which is really problematic.

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[tw: rape] can i just say the term “butthurt” is definitely rapey and it promotes rape culture do not say it. kthanks

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2014, 02:05:38 pm
"You can't say that," is the most idiotic, and most dangerous, thing a person could ever utter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 13, 2014, 03:46:56 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2014, 02:05:38 pm
"You can't say that," is the most idiotic, and most dangerous, thing a person could ever utter.
A better way of saying it is you shouldn't say that.
(I obviously think what they're saying is bullshit)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2014, 05:01:13 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 13, 2014, 03:46:56 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2014, 02:05:38 pm
"You can't say that," is the most idiotic, and most dangerous, thing a person could ever utter.
A better way of saying it is you shouldn't say that.
(I obviously think what they're saying is bullshit)

Aye, things like "its not a smart idea to say that," or "if you say that, you're an asshole" are perfectly fine, just for the record.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on March 13, 2014, 06:50:13 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2014, 08:25:58 am
Yeaaaaaaaah, its still bullshit, no matter what plate on which you serve it.  For example, I could not be in a relationship with a Jewish woman, or any religious woman, really.  I've thankfully spent quite a lot of time out of a church, and I'd like to keep it that way.  I'd also never conform to a Jewish (or Muslim, or Hindu, or vegetarian, or vegan) diet for the sake of fucking anyone.  I like my bacon, my shrimp, and my burgers, and I'll be damned if I'm givin 'em the fuck up because my SO's religion and/or ideology finds it offensive.

My attractions are also, typically, limited to white and Asian cissexual women.  OH NO, I've gone and offended Tumblr by even implying that I wouldn't want to date a black woman, or a transsexual.  What ever shall I do?

Well, if you meet any nice Jewish girls, feel free to send them my way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2014, 06:51:07 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on March 13, 2014, 06:50:13 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2014, 08:25:58 am
Yeaaaaaaaah, its still bullshit, no matter what plate on which you serve it.  For example, I could not be in a relationship with a Jewish woman, or any religious woman, really.  I've thankfully spent quite a lot of time out of a church, and I'd like to keep it that way.  I'd also never conform to a Jewish (or Muslim, or Hindu, or vegetarian, or vegan) diet for the sake of fucking anyone.  I like my bacon, my shrimp, and my burgers, and I'll be damned if I'm givin 'em the fuck up because my SO's religion and/or ideology finds it offensive.

My attractions are also, typically, limited to white and Asian cissexual women.  OH NO, I've gone and offended Tumblr by even implying that I wouldn't want to date a black woman, or a transsexual.  What ever shall I do?

Well, if you meet any nice Jewish girls, feel free to send them my way.

Haha, I'll certainly do my best.  Sides, I can't stand the thought of having to invest in a kosher kitchen; the redundancy would be a daily irritant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 13, 2014, 09:58:19 pm
Would you be OK with a Jewish woman who doesn't keep kosher?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on March 13, 2014, 10:27:05 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on March 13, 2014, 09:58:19 pm
Would you be OK with a Jewish woman who doesn't keep kosher?

Only if she shares her secret Jew gold.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 13, 2014, 10:31:01 pm
In case anyone is wondering how these people function offline:
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Hint: They don't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 14, 2014, 06:53:26 am
This just in, 'Bromance' is totes offensive! (http://fawnjohn.tumblr.com/post/79524378966)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 14, 2014, 11:00:19 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on March 13, 2014, 09:58:19 pm
Would you be OK with a Jewish woman who doesn't keep kosher?

I doubt it...I just can't do religion, in general, for a SO.  There'd be too many differences on a fundamental level, and that's without spending around 2-4 hours every Sunday in church being bored out of my skull.  More than anything, religion bores me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 14, 2014, 11:24:59 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 14, 2014, 11:00:19 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on March 13, 2014, 09:58:19 pm
Would you be OK with a Jewish woman who doesn't keep kosher?

I doubt it...I just can't do religion, in general, for a SO.  There'd be too many differences on a fundamental level, and that's without spending around 2-4 hours every Sunday in church being bored out of my skull.  More than anything, religion bores me.

I wouldn't mind marrying someone religious, as long as my SO didn't try to convert me or preach to me, accepted that I would not be attending services for almost any reason, and that I would flatly refuse to follow any sort of dietary restrictions or things like not working on the Sabbath or whatever. I have no problem with private religion. I even sometimes have no problem with it even if it does affect me--the owners of the game store I go to occasionally are Bahá'í and while there are nine days on which they should do no work, they only close on Naw-Rúz, and though this year it's rather inconvenient that they do (even for them), it's their call and I've got no problem with it. (They also close on Christmas, but only because it's not worth it to open.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 14, 2014, 11:29:28 am
Aye, I've no problem with religious people in general, it just always seems like something that's a fundamental part of a person, as opposed to just another part of their life.  I'd probably go for a Buddhist chick, though, but that's also because Buddhism is about as close to atheism that a religion can get, and they're generally cool folks to boot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 14, 2014, 11:29:35 am
Quote from: dpareja on March 14, 2014, 11:24:59 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 14, 2014, 11:00:19 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on March 13, 2014, 09:58:19 pm
Would you be OK with a Jewish woman who doesn't keep kosher?

I doubt it...I just can't do religion, in general, for a SO.  There'd be too many differences on a fundamental level, and that's without spending around 2-4 hours every Sunday in church being bored out of my skull.  More than anything, religion bores me.

I wouldn't mind marrying someone religious, as long as my SO didn't try to convert me or preach to me, accepted that I would not be attending services for almost any reason, and that I would flatly refuse to follow any sort of dietary restrictions or things like not working on the Sabbath or whatever. I have no problem with private religion. I even sometimes have no problem with it even if it does affect me--the owners of the game store I go to occasionally are Bahá'í and while there are nine days on which they should do no work, they only close on Naw-Rúz, and though this year it's rather inconvenient that they do (even for them), it's their call and I've got no problem with it. (They also close on Christmas, but only because it's not worth it to open.)

Same. Someone who actually lets their religion influence their view of reality or behavior could be too much, but there's millions of people who are rather casual about their religion and aren't at all overbearing. A lot of them wouldn't even require their significant other to go to services, let alone convert for them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 14, 2014, 11:34:21 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 14, 2014, 11:29:28 am
Aye, I've no problem with religious people in general, it just always seems like something that's a fundamental part of a person, as opposed to just another part of their life.  I'd probably go for a Buddhist chick, though, but that's also because Buddhism is about as close to atheism that a religion can get, and they're generally cool folks to boot.

Depends who you ask: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Buddhism
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 14, 2014, 11:34:54 am
Quote from: dpareja on March 14, 2014, 11:34:21 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 14, 2014, 11:29:28 am
Aye, I've no problem with religious people in general, it just always seems like something that's a fundamental part of a person, as opposed to just another part of their life.  I'd probably go for a Buddhist chick, though, but that's also because Buddhism is about as close to atheism that a religion can get, and they're generally cool folks to boot.

Depends who you ask: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Buddhism


* - Your mileage may vary, of course.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on March 14, 2014, 05:57:22 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 13, 2014, 10:31:01 pm
In case anyone is wondering how these people function offline:
(click to show/hide)

Hint: They don't.

Surely giving a blank option for the "And you need to..." section is just asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on March 14, 2014, 06:00:16 pm
God i love to see the aftermath of someone giving that to a bogan
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 14, 2014, 10:31:14 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/hJmsmGO.png)

fucking el oh el
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on March 14, 2014, 11:05:59 pm
Do people still follow Social Justice Wario?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 01:01:13 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 14, 2014, 10:31:14 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/hJmsmGO.png)

fucking el oh el
What does "Bae" even mean?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 15, 2014, 01:49:39 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 01:01:13 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 14, 2014, 10:31:14 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/hJmsmGO.png)

fucking el oh el
What does "Bae" even mean?
Depending on who you ask, it means "babe" or is short for "before anything else."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on March 15, 2014, 02:52:51 pm
At first I thought it was the Korean word for 'pear'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 03:20:34 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 15, 2014, 04:47:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 03:20:34 pm
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Next time somebody tells you bestiality is okay, show them this.
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Because that's where they'll end up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on March 15, 2014, 05:10:51 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 15, 2014, 04:47:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 03:20:34 pm
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Next time somebody tells you bestiality is okay, show them this.
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Because that's where they'll end up.

I think only about half of the US has laws against it. Interestingly in Oklahoma it is against the law to simulate sex with a buffalo in a bar. No mention of actual sex with a buffalo in a bar.

As I was typing this post I just realized why this law might have been made when I remembered these videos. Second video is probably the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDDbM6a_DLY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEfM674YED4
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 15, 2014, 05:17:37 pm
That is one uncomfortable looking giraffe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 15, 2014, 05:24:28 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 15, 2014, 04:47:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 03:20:34 pm
(click to show/hide)
Next time somebody tells you bestiality is okay, show them this.
(click to show/hide)
Because that's where they'll end up.

The argument from force doesn't really support the conclusion that something is wrong. Plenty of homosexuals are still thrown in prison for being homosexual.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 15, 2014, 05:35:11 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/b8eb0a196a1b77e0b23c4f77937072bb/tumblr_n2fzqqHEpe1s5z3gyo1_500.png)

Oh my god, please be a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 15, 2014, 05:48:56 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 15, 2014, 05:24:28 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 15, 2014, 04:47:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 03:20:34 pm
(click to show/hide)
Next time somebody tells you bestiality is okay, show them this.
(click to show/hide)
Because that's where they'll end up.

The argument from force doesn't really support the conclusion that something is wrong. Plenty of homosexuals are still thrown in prison for being homosexual.

A better argument against bestiality is the potential to cause harm and physical pain to the animal (in cases where the human is doing the penetrating, anyway; I'm still not convinced that a person being penetrated by an animal should warrant jail time -- in those cases, I'm honestly more concerned about hygiene and the potential spread of zoonotic disease).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 15, 2014, 05:59:49 pm
It was a joke, but I see where you're coming from. If I was going to offer an actual argument against bestiality, I'd say that animals cannot give informed consent, and that it can cause harm and physical pain to the animal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 06:05:35 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 15, 2014, 05:24:28 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 15, 2014, 04:47:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 03:20:34 pm
(click to show/hide)
Next time somebody tells you bestiality is okay, show them this.
(click to show/hide)
Because that's where they'll end up.

The argument from force doesn't really support the conclusion that something is wrong. Plenty of homosexuals are still thrown in prison for being homosexual.
Of course, gay sex is between two consenting adults, not an obese middle aged caucasian male and a labrador retriever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 15, 2014, 06:53:06 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 06:05:35 pm
Of course, gay sex is between two consenting adults, not an obese middle aged caucasian male and a labrador retriever.

It's one of those situations where you have to prove that some harm happened as a result of intercourse. In the absence of physical harm, that's obviously difficult to demonstrate with animals. A lot of them probably don't even care.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 15, 2014, 08:01:32 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 15, 2014, 06:53:06 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 06:05:35 pm
Of course, gay sex is between two consenting adults, not an obese middle aged caucasian male and a labrador retriever.

It's one of those situations where you have to prove that some harm happened as a result of intercourse. In the absence of physical harm, that's obviously difficult to demonstrate with animals. A lot of them probably don't even care.

Somehow, I doubt that.  Animals do have emotions; granted, they might not have the same depth as a human's, but they're still there.  Plus, there's that whole "no consent" thing...most people are sticklers when it comes to there being proper, informed consent before sex commences.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 15, 2014, 08:41:44 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 15, 2014, 08:01:32 pm
Somehow, I doubt that.  Animals do have emotions; granted, they might not have the same depth as a human's, but they're still there.  Plus, there's that whole "no consent" thing...most people are sticklers when it comes to there being proper, informed consent before sex commences.

My guess is it's in the same category as a dog humping someone's leg. It's humorous and it might gross them out a little, but people don't get into a fit about being violated by a dog.

If chickens were worried about consent, every rooster would be in prison for being a serial rapist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 15, 2014, 08:49:22 pm
Its not the animals that are worried about consent, its us.  Well, at least most of us...but we don't count rapists' views on sex for the same reason we don't count a thief's view on property rights, or a member of the KKK on minority rights.  I still seriously doubt that the animals find it funny to be fucked by a human.  Having an unwanted cock shoved in you is never a positive event, no matter what retarded mental gymnastics you might perform to spin it as such.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 15, 2014, 09:03:10 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 15, 2014, 08:49:22 pm
Its not the animals that are worried about consent, its us.  Well, at least most of us...but we don't count rapists' views on sex for the same reason we don't count a thief's view on property rights, or a member of the KKK on minority rights.  I still seriously doubt that the animals find it funny to be fucked by a human.  Having an unwanted cock shoved in you is never a positive event, no matter what retarded mental gymnastics you might perform to spin it as such.

So I suppose the same goes for when a woman decides to penetrate herself with her dog's penis?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on March 15, 2014, 09:22:51 pm
Quote from: dpareja on March 15, 2014, 09:03:10 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 15, 2014, 08:49:22 pm
Its not the animals that are worried about consent, its us.  Well, at least most of us...but we don't count rapists' views on sex for the same reason we don't count a thief's view on property rights, or a member of the KKK on minority rights.  I still seriously doubt that the animals find it funny to be fucked by a human.  Having an unwanted cock shoved in you is never a positive event, no matter what retarded mental gymnastics you might perform to spin it as such.

So I suppose the same goes for when a woman decides to penetrate herself with her dog's penis?

The fact that dogs (and perhaps other animals) are even trained for vaginal and anal penetration on humans is possibly one of the scariest things I have ever discovered.

Thank you, Encyclopaedia Dramatica, for occasionally providing such dangerous knowledge.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 15, 2014, 09:55:13 pm
We should just make one thread for this discussion so it can stay there as not show up when I'm trying to eat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on March 15, 2014, 09:57:01 pm
I'd rather not have a thread discussing the moral repercussions of beastiality  but that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 15, 2014, 10:03:10 pm
Which would you prefer: having one dedicated, unpleasant thread where people who want to debate this particular topic can, or have it end up in almost every megathread for a few pages? Personally, I'm sick of bits and pieces of this topic popping up seemingly everywhere, only to die down ad lie dormant before anything interesting happens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 15, 2014, 10:30:44 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 15, 2014, 08:49:22 pm
Having an unwanted cock shoved in you is never a positive event, no matter what retarded mental gymnastics you might perform to spin it as such.

I think his point is that forcibly penetrating an animal isn't really comparable to raping a human, at least as far as the emotional impact, trauma and sense of violation go, not that a dog (or horse, etc.) isn't going to experience distress for the duration of the penetration (or in the aftermath, if its injured in the process).

Edit: Although the comparison to a dog humping your leg kind of falls flat, being that most people aren't going to experience fear or pain during that particular experience.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 15, 2014, 11:09:31 pm
(http://weknowmemes.com/generator/uploads/generated/g1359432886778601900.jpg)

Yeah, enough of that.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f58737d04a53d3d5cbf3bb4d1eb9057c/tumblr_n058r01ugG1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/NGM4jwmXpkg/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mythbuster43 on March 15, 2014, 11:16:53 pm
Quote from: Lilith on March 15, 2014, 09:57:01 pm
I'd rather not have a thread discussing the moral repercussions of beastiality  but that's just my opinion.

...Did I miss something here?  :o
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 11:17:43 pm
Quote from: Damen on March 15, 2014, 11:09:31 pm
(http://weknowmemes.com/generator/uploads/generated/g1359432886778601900.jpg)

Yeah, enough of that.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/f58737d04a53d3d5cbf3bb4d1eb9057c/tumblr_n058r01ugG1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/NGM4jwmXpkg/hqdefault.jpg)
Look tumblr, when someone says "women" in this context they mean biological women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 15, 2014, 11:18:42 pm
The delay in having Plan B available without a prescription is one of those things you can truthfully say is the Obama administration's fault.

(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/43779234.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 15, 2014, 11:20:55 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 11:17:43 pm
Look tumblr, when someone says "women" in this context they mean biological women.
I wouldn't do that. You even try to point out that there's a difference between biological sex and gender and the social justice warriors will be all over you for a month.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 11:22:04 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 15, 2014, 11:18:42 pm
The delay in having Plan B available without a prescription is one of those things you can truthfully say is the Obama administration's fault.

(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/43779234.jpg)
Also the NSA and Drones.

Benghazi, fast and furious, irs, ect.,ect. Are bs though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on March 16, 2014, 01:22:01 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 15, 2014, 11:20:55 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 11:17:43 pm
Look tumblr, when someone says "women" in this context they mean biological women.
I wouldn't do that. You even try to point out that there's a difference between biological sex and gender and the social justice warriors will be all over you for a month.

I think they make a cream for that now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 16, 2014, 01:33:55 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on March 16, 2014, 01:22:01 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 15, 2014, 11:20:55 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2014, 11:17:43 pm
Look tumblr, when someone says "women" in this context they mean biological women.
I wouldn't do that. You even try to point out that there's a difference between biological sex and gender and the social justice warriors will be all over you for a month.

I think they make a cream for that now.
A cream for Butthurt?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 16, 2014, 07:30:36 am
(http://i.imgur.com/hByGytY.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 16, 2014, 10:37:19 am
lol wut
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 16, 2014, 01:28:57 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 16, 2014, 07:30:36 am
(http://i.imgur.com/hByGytY.png)
Yes you can.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 16, 2014, 03:44:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfzSTx2peeo

If you make it more than a minute into this video, you are a stronger man than I.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 16, 2014, 04:16:02 pm
The comments aren't any better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 16, 2014, 04:28:01 pm
Captain's Log, stardate March 16th, 2014.

REPEAT AFTER ME

julaaaaaaaaaaay
julaaaaaaaaaaay
juuuuuulaaaaaayyyyy

This has been a PSA. Thank you and have a nice day. Peace.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 16, 2014, 04:38:13 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on March 16, 2014, 04:16:02 pm
The comments aren't any better.

Actually some of the comments are pretty good:
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I think it's are nature as humans to create conflict between each other even if there is no need; humans will ALWAYS finds something to fight about even if it something as trivial as this.
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Dear gamers, this is what outsiders see and hear when people argue over whether Playstation is better or XBox. It's a meaningless conversation to most people, but those that do get involved get VERY hot jnder the collar.
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i think dont think homosexuals could fuck up marriage more than than straight people have already fucked it up. Plus, theres absolutely no practical reason why homosexuals shouldnt get married. You dont need to call them perverts just because their personal tastes and yours dont line up. Thats just bigotry and close mindedness. Theyre not doing anything that violates anyones rights or consent. Im sure 50 years ago, anything other than missonary position would be "perversion"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 16, 2014, 04:49:39 pm
Those are fine, but I saw some people on the other extreme too. MRA's and transphobes, and one or two homophobes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 16, 2014, 05:33:08 pm
That is why I said "some."

You can find bigots in the comments of any youtube video with more than 20 or so comments, I was just suprised that even a video like this had several smart sounding comments on the first page.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on March 16, 2014, 06:11:22 pm
I can't see the video cuz I'm on my phone. Could someone sum it up for me?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 16, 2014, 06:22:59 pm
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on March 16, 2014, 06:11:22 pm
I can't see the video cuz I'm on my phone. Could someone sum it up for me?
Nic Cage dances with Karkat for 2 minutes while porridge falls on them both.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 16, 2014, 08:37:11 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 16, 2014, 07:30:36 am
(http://i.imgur.com/hByGytY.png)

....WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on March 16, 2014, 08:40:35 pm
IT MEANS THAT ADDING EMPHASIS IN TYPOGRAPHY MAKES YOU RIGHT
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 16, 2014, 08:47:14 pm
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BUY GOLD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on March 16, 2014, 09:00:06 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 16, 2014, 08:47:14 pm
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BUY GOLD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Fixed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 16, 2014, 09:06:57 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 16, 2014, 08:37:11 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 16, 2014, 07:30:36 am
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....WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN!?

It's trying to say that feminism should extend to non-human female animals, such as cows and hens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 16, 2014, 09:09:08 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on March 16, 2014, 09:06:57 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 16, 2014, 08:37:11 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 16, 2014, 07:30:36 am
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....WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN!?

It's trying to say that feminism should extend to non-human female animals, such as cows and hens.
Let me guess... she's a member of PETA?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 16, 2014, 09:12:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 16, 2014, 09:09:08 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on March 16, 2014, 09:06:57 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 16, 2014, 08:37:11 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 16, 2014, 07:30:36 am
(click to show/hide)

....WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN!?

It's trying to say that feminism should extend to non-human female animals, such as cows and hens.
Let me guess... she's a member of PETA?

I would be wholly unsurprised, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 17, 2014, 12:58:56 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 16, 2014, 09:12:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 16, 2014, 09:09:08 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on March 16, 2014, 09:06:57 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 16, 2014, 08:37:11 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 16, 2014, 07:30:36 am
(click to show/hide)

....WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN!?

It's trying to say that feminism should extend to non-human female animals, such as cows and hens.
Let me guess... she's a member of PETA?

I would be wholly unsurprised, unfortunately.

...That DOES sound like something they do. Hijack a good cause and turn it into theirs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 17, 2014, 08:57:49 am
It should sound like something they do...because it is something they do.  They've been appropriating the "don't be a dick to animals" movement for decades, and perverting it into the modern animal rights movement we all know and hate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 17, 2014, 09:12:01 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 17, 2014, 08:57:49 am
It should sound like something they do...because it is something they do.  They've been appropriating the "don't be a dick to animals" movement for decades, and perverting it into the modern animal rights movement we all know and hate.

That is what I was referring to. They have used the holocaust to complain about poor living conditions of chickens!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 17, 2014, 09:54:08 am
Aye, its sad that some people actually take PETA seriously.  They should be nothing more than a particularly tasteless joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 18, 2014, 07:07:46 am
Lady e-mails Egoraptor asking him about his sexuality. he says he's straight, and then things get silly (http://michellearuba.tumblr.com/post/79845167484/queer-erasure-my-interaction-with-arin-hanson)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 18, 2014, 07:15:23 am
Ever since the D-Club episode was a thing, I just knew this would happen sooner or later.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 18, 2014, 08:27:41 am
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/5622247463e11c853ae69c29d4e7eb34/tumblr_mz5zhzJ5v71rqelogo1_1280.jpg)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/003d16563eccf6e39c23b2578ae22d53/tumblr_mz5zhzJ5v71rqelogo2_1280.jpg)

Posted by "Fatanarchy" on Tumblr, with this ironic comment:

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I don’t care if you’re my family or not. I’m not fucking letting this stupidity and ignorance slide. Fuck that shit.

Way to crap all over her achievement there, asshole.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 18, 2014, 08:30:30 am
Fat Anarchy: once we're done with these Cheetos and this Monster, we'll get right on that.  Unless we find something cool on Netflix.

(Yes, humour-impaired fools, I'm fat, quit your effing blubbering.  Pun fucking intended.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on March 18, 2014, 08:43:54 am
The funny thing is I am fairly sure most Doctors would suggest that being obese does mean unhealthy. It means increased risk of heart disease, joint problems and diabetes for starters. Losing weight through regular exercise is almost certainly making Steph healthier.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 18, 2014, 09:24:04 am
Quote from: davedan on March 18, 2014, 08:43:54 am
The funny thing is I am fairly sure most Doctors would suggest that being obese does mean unhealthy. It means increased risk of heart disease, joint problems and diabetes for starters. Losing weight through regular exercise is almost certainly making Steph healthier.

Pretty much. Sure, you might get the odd person who manages to be healthy despite being obese, but there are no guarantees that they won't develop problems in the future, and more important, those people are not representative of the overall population.

Edit: Also, BMI is only bullshit when used improperly. It shouldn't be seen as the be all, end all of health, but when treated as a tool to roughly estimate the risks factors for an average member of the population (i.e., not a body builder or extremely tall/short) and combined with other stats and a person's lifestyle, it's quite useful for preventative medicine. Likewise, being overly rigid about the "normal" range and assuming that anyone who falls even slightly outside of it is definitively less healthy than those who are within it is rather absurd, but concern for major deviations (e.g., obesity) is completely justified.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 18, 2014, 09:43:31 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 18, 2014, 08:27:41 am
Posted by "Fatanarchy" on Tumblr, with this ironic comment:

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I don’t care if you’re my family or not. I’m not fucking letting this stupidity and ignorance slide. Fuck that shit.

Way to crap all over her achievement there, asshole.

It is so much easier to beat somebody else down for their achievements than it is to be honest with yourself and admit that they are better than you. It is particularly true with something like this because it is very hard to actually make changes that last and the rewards are only semi-tangable -- you might feel better and live a bit longer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 18, 2014, 12:02:43 pm
All that "shitting on others' achievements" can't be good for your health, either.  Mental or physical.  Oh, I forgot, the entire concept of health was thought up by Big Pharma to get you to subscribe to fad diets and take their meaningless sugar tablets and deadly "placebo" drug.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 18, 2014, 12:07:30 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 18, 2014, 12:02:43 pm
All that "shitting on others' achievements" can't be good for your health, either.  Mental or physical.  Oh, I forgot, the entire concept of health was thought up by Big Pharma to get you to subscribe to fad diets and take their meaningless sugar tablets and deadly "placebo" drug.
-----------------------------CLICK HERE 2 FIND OUT WHAT YOUR "DOCTOR" ISN'T TELLING YOU!---------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 18, 2014, 09:04:47 pm
(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/1bbd59e9a112962c3dce4425951686d5/tumblr_myv4o7vymr1rc29i6o6_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 18, 2014, 09:09:17 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 18, 2014, 09:04:47 pm
(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/1bbd59e9a112962c3dce4425951686d5/tumblr_myv4o7vymr1rc29i6o6_1280.png)
Wut.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 18, 2014, 09:18:43 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 18, 2014, 09:04:47 pm
(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/1bbd59e9a112962c3dce4425951686d5/tumblr_myv4o7vymr1rc29i6o6_1280.png)

*blinks then destroys a few Paramonsters*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on March 18, 2014, 09:27:15 pm
The best part is that it comes from an article named "The Sexual Politics of Meat".

Also, this might be a case of someone taking the term "man meat" to literally.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 18, 2014, 09:43:16 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 18, 2014, 09:04:47 pm
(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/1bbd59e9a112962c3dce4425951686d5/tumblr_myv4o7vymr1rc29i6o6_1280.png)

So.....women are nothing but pieces of meat?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 18, 2014, 09:50:01 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on March 18, 2014, 09:43:16 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 18, 2014, 09:04:47 pm
(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/1bbd59e9a112962c3dce4425951686d5/tumblr_myv4o7vymr1rc29i6o6_1280.png)

So.....women are nothing but pieces of meat?
Really, I thought it was on how I should eat more humans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 18, 2014, 10:36:05 pm
Quote
Just wanted to say that I am really tired of the oversexualization of vampires because it DOES affect a lot of vampire aces who don't even have sex okay thanks

(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140312214904/creepypasta/images/f/fe/2921997-dafuq.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 18, 2014, 10:55:52 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 18, 2014, 09:04:47 pm
(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/1bbd59e9a112962c3dce4425951686d5/tumblr_myv4o7vymr1rc29i6o6_1280.png)

I didn't know I was oppressing myself by eating meat everyday.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 19, 2014, 09:38:23 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 18, 2014, 09:04:47 pm
(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/1bbd59e9a112962c3dce4425951686d5/tumblr_myv4o7vymr1rc29i6o6_1280.png)

(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/RH-00/emi-stfu.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 19, 2014, 03:21:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/EidxjbM.png)

Wow! Edgy!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 19, 2014, 03:36:16 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 19, 2014, 03:21:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/EidxjbM.png)

Wow! Edgy!

I can see how "avoiding cursing" would be high in your list of priorities.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 19, 2014, 04:17:46 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 19, 2014, 03:21:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/EidxjbM.png)
Careful not to give yourself a papercut from that edgy, edgy argument sweetie.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 19, 2014, 05:36:07 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 19, 2014, 03:21:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/EidxjbM.png)

Wow! Edgy!

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/9e/9e11bb75741a9d16e6b9236416308608c655b9410fc5ccc1e172526d966e7215.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 19, 2014, 05:53:23 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 19, 2014, 03:21:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/EidxjbM.png)

Wow! Edgy!

Now she's bitching that people are "missing the point" and ignoring two (http://thatvegancosplayer.tumblr.com/post/78296485484/serious-issues-brought-up) of her previous posts. (http://thatvegancosplayer.tumblr.com/post/78297594325/also-i-think-carnists-dont-realize)

Edit:  Just saw a post about tardigrades (aka water bears or moss piglets), and how not only can they survive in extremes (vacuums, freezing, boiling, etc.), but they can also be found on lettuce and spinach in grocery stores.  They're also classified as animals (micro-animals, to be exact), so vegans most likely still eat animals, even though they don't know it.  And that's not even going into how many animals die during crop harvesting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 19, 2014, 07:59:24 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 19, 2014, 03:21:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/EidxjbM.png)

Wow! Edgy!
SOURCE:OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNIMNOMEATING MEATOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 19, 2014, 08:48:48 pm
I'd love to eat a bacon and beef sandwich in front of her just to see if she'd go into Ranting SJW Mode.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 19, 2014, 08:50:23 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 19, 2014, 08:48:48 pm
I'd love to eat a bacon and beef sandwich in front of her just to see if she'd go into Ranting SJW Mode.
Like they'd have the stones to say anything to your face.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 19, 2014, 08:50:31 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 19, 2014, 08:48:48 pm
I'd love to eat a bacon and beef sandwich in front of her just to see if she'd go into Ranting SJW Mode.

I'd go for a bacon cheeseburger myself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 19, 2014, 09:22:19 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 19, 2014, 08:48:48 pm
I'd love to eat a bacon and beef sandwich in front of her just to see if she'd go into Ranting SJW Mode.

It's funny you should mention that.

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The term “carnist” is usually used as sarcasm and/or an insult to someone who is purposely being 1) an asshole and 2) anti-vegan.

These refer to people who say stupid shit like “Lol vegetarian is Indian for bad hunter!/1/1” and “What about teh crop pickers?!/1/” and “Vegans are so pushy MMM BACON MMM I LOVE ALL OF THESE MEAT ADS” and “Lol I know I can look all of this shit up on my own but I won’t so I’ll harass vegans”.

"Carnist" is often to point out to these folks how stupid and fucked up they are being. Of course these people are omnivores since they probably at least eat plants like potatoes and bread (mostly or completely plant-based), etc.

It’s understandable why a lot of vegans don’t like the use the word “carnist” - again, it being used in an offensive manner and it being inaccurate (again, omnivore is actually correct here).

So let’s put it this way:

If someone is calling you (an omnivore) a carnist, it’s probably because you are being a rude piece of shit who refuses to listen to other opinions or refuses to do their own damn research.

So basically, vegans are never assholes, and if they are, you deserve it; if vegans insult nonvegans, it's okay, but if nonvegans insult vegans, they're wrong; and if you're anti-vegan, you deserve to be insulted straight up.

You also deserve to be insulted if you aren't convinced and don't agree with vegans.

And in another post, she apparently thinks being poor isn't an excuse because "poor vegans and vegans of color exist".  And also, "there are multiple cultures that survived on a mostly vegetarian diet, and most of the people in those cultures were poor!".  You mean cultures that have spent generations adapting to a diet that's dependant on the resources available to them in their area, knowing what can and can't be eaten in their area, which by your own admission is "mostly vegetarian", meaning that it's not veganism?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 19, 2014, 09:56:28 pm
Ugh, "vegan of colour". Jesus Tits, just when you think Tumblr-speak can't get any stupider...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 19, 2014, 10:11:46 pm
Newsflash, Tumblr: being a vegan does not make you morally superior to other people, nor does it make you part of an oppressed minority. Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, it makes you a twat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 19, 2014, 10:34:01 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 19, 2014, 09:56:28 pm
Ugh, "vegan of colour". Jesus Tits, just when you think Tumblr-speak can't get any stupider...

I was mainly using it as shorthand, but looking at the post again, she does in fact use that term.  Oh, and she also says we're "erasing" poor vegans and 'vegans of color' by considering veganism as a diet for rich white people.  So if you're poor and you're not vegan, you're not trying hard enough, because foreign cultures and poor vegans and all that (and I'll reiterate, those foreign cultures are "mostly plant based" which isn't the same as being a true vegan).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 19, 2014, 11:58:32 pm
I once saw a vegan post that "humans are not in the food chain."

(http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/news/28/28785/wtf-reaction.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 20, 2014, 01:27:08 am
Wait a minute. Wouldn't seeing what other cultures are doing and using that diet as inspiration be cultural appropriation?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 20, 2014, 02:03:14 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 19, 2014, 11:58:32 pm
I once saw a vegan post that "humans are not in the food chain."

(http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/news/28/28785/wtf-reaction.gif)
What the fuck, that's utter bullcrap.

Human are prey of the cosmic space dragons, everyone knows that!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 20, 2014, 02:22:38 am
Quote from: rookie on March 20, 2014, 01:27:08 am
Wait a minute. Wouldn't seeing what other cultures are doing and using that diet as inspiration be cultural appropriation?
...Oh NOOOO!

(http://img.pandawhale.com/47321-Felicia-Day-oh-hell-no-gif-Bh6N.gif)

If the other crazy Tumblr group hears about that this may spark a bloody war between the two groups (that when you really get down to it are trying to do good even if it is in a horribly misguided way) and that would be hilarious horrible.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 20, 2014, 08:11:06 am
I say we throw 'em in a pit with tonnes of sharp things and blunt objects and let them kill eachother.  Free up some space for people that would actually use it for something worthwhile.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: IanC on March 20, 2014, 09:18:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 18, 2014, 10:36:05 pm
Quote
Just wanted to say that I am really tired of the oversexualization of vampires because it DOES affect a lot of vampire aces who don't even have sex okay thanks

(click to show/hide)
Haven't vampires been sexualised since they first appeared in myth/literature? Hell just have to glance at Dracula to see that. What an idiot (bet it was from tumblr, am i right?)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 20, 2014, 05:02:59 pm
Quote from: IanC on March 20, 2014, 09:18:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 18, 2014, 10:36:05 pm
Quote
Just wanted to say that I am really tired of the oversexualization of vampires because it DOES affect a lot of vampire aces who don't even have sex okay thanks

(click to show/hide)
Haven't vampires been sexualised since they first appeared in myth/literature? Hell just have to glance at Dracula to see that. What an idiot (bet it was from tumblr, am i right?)
No, he is a completely nonsexual tall man dressed in black who spends his time finding attractive maidens to share bodily fluids with.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 20, 2014, 06:49:12 pm
McGill Students Society forces a guy to apologize for "racial microaggression", they then give a non-apology when called out on it (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/19/mcgill-group-says-it-was-a-mistake-to-force-student-to-apologize-for-emailing-obama-clip/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 20, 2014, 07:44:56 pm
Quote from: IanC on March 20, 2014, 09:18:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 18, 2014, 10:36:05 pm
Quote
Just wanted to say that I am really tired of the oversexualization of vampires because it DOES affect a lot of vampire aces who don't even have sex okay thanks

(click to show/hide)
Haven't vampires been sexualised since they first appeared in myth/literature? Hell just have to glance at Dracula to see that. What an idiot (bet it was from tumblr, am i right?)

Not sure about the oldest incarnations, being that they're quite different from modern lore. But yeah, they may as well be whining about the sexualization of sex itself.

Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 20, 2014, 06:49:12 pm
McGill Students Society forces a guy to apologize for "racial microaggression", they then give a non-apology when called out on it (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/19/mcgill-group-says-it-was-a-mistake-to-force-student-to-apologize-for-emailing-obama-clip/)

God damn it, now Canadian publications are starting to use "people of colour". America, contain your shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 20, 2014, 08:04:43 pm
Quote
“If anything, instead of empowering, [the apology] has crippled visible minorities,” Élie Lubendo, the student councilor who moved the motion, told the National Post by email.

Mr. Lubendo is one of the SSMU’s only black representatives, and opposed the original measure mandating the Farnan apology.

So basically, in claiming they were trying to be sensitive and considerate to black people, they ignored one of the only black people in their organization?  Ignoring black people for the sake of helping black people?

Quote
In the weeks since, he said, the apology had turned the word “microaggression” into a campus joke, and muted any legitimacy it may once have held.

“Students don’t feel the need to be educated about these issues because they see the whole apology affair as a farce.”

Hey, hey Tumblr.  Tumblr.  This is you.  Oh wait, I forgot, those SJWs would consider this "tone policing".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 20, 2014, 10:04:24 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 20, 2014, 07:44:56 pm
God damn it, now Canadian publications are starting to use "people of colour". America, contain your shit.

I don't think the article's author is using the term as such, but paraphrasing the statement being discussed in that paragraph.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Caitshidhe on March 21, 2014, 03:07:39 pm
This makes me so furious I can barely even verbalize it except for sputtering incoherent rage...

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/dd95a2233bb5e5a468b1c19079c4eb52/tumblr_n0e9c4qhSG1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 21, 2014, 03:11:57 pm
Quote from: Caitshidhe on March 21, 2014, 03:07:39 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/dd95a2233bb5e5a468b1c19079c4eb52/tumblr_n0e9c4qhSG1ryeto5o1_500.png)

I say this in the mildest possible terms.

Fuck you.

Fuck you in the ass with a ten-foot spiky pole with cactus spines attached.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 21, 2014, 03:14:58 pm
Quote from: Caitshidhe on March 21, 2014, 03:07:39 pm
This makes me so furious I can barely even verbalize it except for sputtering incoherent rage...

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/dd95a2233bb5e5a468b1c19079c4eb52/tumblr_n0e9c4qhSG1ryeto5o1_500.png)
I sense a lot of self loathing in this one.

And a little hint of misogyny.  ::)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 21, 2014, 05:27:50 pm
Quote from: Caitshidhe on March 21, 2014, 03:07:39 pm
This makes me so furious I can barely even verbalize it except for sputtering incoherent rage...

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/dd95a2233bb5e5a468b1c19079c4eb52/tumblr_n0e9c4qhSG1ryeto5o1_500.png)

It gets better!

Quote
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#WOW IT WAS SO COOL WHEN I NEARLY DIED #SO COOL WHEN I WAS HOSPITALISED#SO COOL WHEN I FAILED HIGH SCHOOL #SO COOL WHEN I FAILED COLLEGE #SO COOL WHEN I STOPPED EATING #SO COOL WHEN I CUT MYSELF #it’s almOST LIKE TEENAGE GIRLS ARE VERY IMPRESSIONABLE #AND WE SHOULD NOT MAKE SUICIDE OR SELF-HARM SEEM COOL TO THEM #BECAUSE TEENAGERS WILL EMULATE THOSE BEHAVIOURS #WITNESS #THE PRO-ANA COMMUNITY ON TUMBLR #WHO MANAGED TO TURN A BUNCH OF ORDINARY SOMEWHAT DEPRESSED TEEN GIRLS #INTO FULL BLOWN ANOREXICS AND BULIMICS #DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT TRIGGERING IS????

interesting, i am also mentally ill, it is almost like different mental illnesses exist and there are parts of mine that i think i deserve to consider deeply and privately “cool”

This person's blog is just . . . guh.  They seem to be one of those "mental illness being treated as anything other than good is ableism!!!!" types.  Seriously, here's a couple of other posts on they reblogged:

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serious question: assuming we destroy ableism wherever we find it, and seek to ruin the system that devalues and stigmatizes the mentally ill, and seek to create a system where mentally ill people make all of their decisions about their own care or ‘treatment’/lack thereof, what IS actually the point of going “being transgender is NOT a mental illness! they are very distinct things!” aside from, like, comforting ableists, because i just don’t see that Clear Line

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basically I think people who keep saying being trans* isn’t a mental illness are scared of being treated as though they have something like depression

it’s not people w depression they’re afraid of being compared to, let me assure you

They're also one of those "don't say 'stupid and dumb'" sjws.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 21, 2014, 06:24:05 pm
21-year old woman gets only a year in prison for repeatedly raping a boy. brave genderqueer cumberbitch defends the woman, saying that maybe the boy wanted it and was not a victim. spoiler alert, the boy in question is only 8 years old (http://dropmycumberbritches.tumblr.com/post/80261238872/cheapobsession-dropmycumberbritches)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 21, 2014, 06:39:49 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 21, 2014, 06:24:05 pm
21-year old woman gets only a year in prison for repeatedly raping a boy. brave genderqueer cumberbitch defends the woman, saying that maybe the boy wanted it and was not a victim. spoiler alert, the boy in question is only 8 years old (http://dropmycumberbritches.tumblr.com/post/80261238872/cheapobsession-dropmycumberbritches)

Holy shit, this is the same person who posted a fake story (http://fearfield.tumblr.com/post/80285550133/redeyesblackstoner-prplpcklprrt) about a little girl getting assaulted (according to the comments, the picture is actually from a kangaroo attack).  It appeared on my dash today.

This lady is absolutely despicable.  She's literally portraying herself as a martyr now, and is claiming that people are putting words in her mouth.

Of course, there are a couple who suspect she might be a troll.  I sincerely hope so.  It turns out this account has only been open for 5 days (as of writing this).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: IanC on March 21, 2014, 06:57:50 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 21, 2014, 06:39:49 pm
Of course, there are a couple who suspect she might be a troll.  I sincerely hope so.  It turns out this account has only been open for 5 days (as of writing this).
I really, really hope so too. Ive read some of her responses and it does seem very trollish
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 21, 2014, 07:07:03 pm
Quote from: IanC on March 21, 2014, 06:57:50 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 21, 2014, 06:39:49 pm
Of course, there are a couple who suspect she might be a troll.  I sincerely hope so.  It turns out this account has only been open for 5 days (as of writing this).
I really, really hope so too. Ive read some of her responses and it does seem very trollish

But then someone brought up the question of "if this is a troll, then why did she bother deleting the fake story?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 21, 2014, 08:19:19 pm
Wow. That's... That's horrifying. I don't really know what else to say, besides "I hope she's a troll" and "I hope the MRAs don't see this".

Going back to the whatthefuckery in Iosa's very long post: as someone who is both transgender and mentally ill, I hope that particular SJW sits on a cactus. Without lube.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 21, 2014, 08:36:45 pm
Quote from: Caitshidhe on March 21, 2014, 03:07:39 pm
This makes me so furious I can barely even verbalize it except for sputtering incoherent rage...

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/dd95a2233bb5e5a468b1c19079c4eb52/tumblr_n0e9c4qhSG1ryeto5o1_500.png)

This reads like sarcastic satire to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on March 21, 2014, 08:37:43 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 21, 2014, 06:24:05 pm
21-year old woman gets only a year in prison for repeatedly raping a boy. brave genderqueer cumberbitch defends the woman, saying that maybe the boy wanted it and was not a victim. spoiler alert, the boy in question is only 8 years old (http://dropmycumberbritches.tumblr.com/post/80261238872/cheapobsession-dropmycumberbritches)

Once again, despite their whining about how women always get off too easy, not a single MRA comes to this boy's defense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 21, 2014, 08:56:14 pm
Quote from: Caitshidhe on March 21, 2014, 03:07:39 pm
This makes me so furious I can barely even verbalize it except for sputtering incoherent rage...

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/dd95a2233bb5e5a468b1c19079c4eb52/tumblr_n0e9c4qhSG1ryeto5o1_500.png)

.......the fuck?

Ironbite-no seriously...the fuck?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Radiation on March 21, 2014, 09:33:24 pm
Wow... the thing about mental illnesses, just wow. BTW, I caved in and got myself a Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 22, 2014, 12:14:35 am
Quote from: Random Guy on March 21, 2014, 08:37:43 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 21, 2014, 06:24:05 pm
21-year old woman gets only a year in prison for repeatedly raping a boy. brave genderqueer cumberbitch defends the woman, saying that maybe the boy wanted it and was not a victim. spoiler alert, the boy in question is only 8 years old (http://dropmycumberbritches.tumblr.com/post/80261238872/cheapobsession-dropmycumberbritches)

Once again, despite their whining about how women always get off too easy, not a single MRA comes to this boy's defense.

I'm sure they'll latch onto it eventually
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 22, 2014, 05:39:59 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/9d36092fc462c36c2a0826089ca326b4/tumblr_n0f3kioyTt1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

It couldn't possibly be that morbid obesity creates a vast number of complications that wind up outweighing the risk of foregoing surgery until the patient loses weight.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/ab3801569d7bb2745100b21f81bcdcff/tumblr_n2n9nnzuCX1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

What.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 22, 2014, 09:01:40 am
Minecraft is white supremacist?

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/674/267/997.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 22, 2014, 09:33:58 am
No, that person is saying that Minecraft is a game that suits a lone survivalist mindset. Because you can play it alone and the multiplayer has horrible people in it. (So basically all singleplayer games would fit as well as some of the MMORPGs which you can solo.)

Well, it is a game where you are in a hostile enviroment and must build your own shelter and live off the land so I can see where that connection comes from.

And then he says that the survivalist/isolationist mindset is common with white supremacists which I suppose may have some truth in it. But I don't have statistics to prove it so I'm not so sure about that.

Then again I have understood that you can play multiplayer quite well with Minecraft so YMMV on wether it is a game about one WHITE MAN's struggle against the hostile world or not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 22, 2014, 03:31:37 pm
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Tumblrina learns that not everybody makes their orientation their entire identity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 22, 2014, 05:10:58 pm
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the whole concept of intelligence is ableist, so buying into it with any terms is also ableist
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on March 22, 2014, 06:11:29 pm
You never hear the idiots who go on about ableism talk about people with physical disabilities...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 22, 2014, 06:54:19 pm
Fake post about a young girl being raped makes the rounds on tumblr (http://whythatsbullshit.tumblr.com/post/80319680638/hedgehogula-just-a-short-3-image-story-about)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 22, 2014, 07:04:13 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 22, 2014, 06:54:19 pm
Fake post about a young girl being raped makes the rounds on tumblr (http://whythatsbullshit.tumblr.com/post/80319680638/hedgehogula-just-a-short-3-image-story-about)

The post in question was made by the same person a page or two ago who was defending the lady who raped an 8 year old boy.  Oh wait, I'm sorry,  she wasn't defending her, she was just "pointing out that boys develop at a different rate sexually than girls and that we don't know the whole story".

And then she posted a couple of  (http://dropmycumberbritches.tumblr.com/post/80364613431/im-a-victim-too-and-you-all-are-being-ableist)non-apologies that are all about her. (http://dropmycumberbritches.tumblr.com/post/80370155033/i-was-wrong)

She also claimed that someone on tumblr called the FBI on her who visited her and accused her of having a rape-dungeon for boys.

This is the most current post on her blog:

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Turning off my ask and taking a break. I apologized. It’s all I can do. I can’t take back what I said. I tried to do that, I wish I could, but all I can do is apologize and people don’t seem to care. Bye.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 22, 2014, 07:31:19 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 21, 2014, 07:07:03 pm
Quote from: IanC on March 21, 2014, 06:57:50 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 21, 2014, 06:39:49 pm
Of course, there are a couple who suspect she might be a troll.  I sincerely hope so.  It turns out this account has only been open for 5 days (as of writing this).
I really, really hope so too. Ive read some of her responses and it does seem very trollish

But then someone brought up the question of "if this is a troll, then why did she bother deleting the fake story?"

Seems she's had enough and is trying to "apologize" but said apology just strikes me as half-assed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 22, 2014, 08:04:16 pm
Quote from: Damen on March 22, 2014, 07:31:19 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 21, 2014, 07:07:03 pm
Quote from: IanC on March 21, 2014, 06:57:50 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 21, 2014, 06:39:49 pm
Of course, there are a couple who suspect she might be a troll.  I sincerely hope so.  It turns out this account has only been open for 5 days (as of writing this).
I really, really hope so too. Ive read some of her responses and it does seem very trollish

But then someone brought up the question of "if this is a troll, then why did she bother deleting the fake story?"

Seems she's had enough and is trying to "apologize" but said apology just strikes me as half-assed.

There were two major ones (not counting all the "that's not what I said!" ones): the first one was the most atrocious thing where, on the fly, she did a self-diagnosis of some disorder to excuse her posts and accused her detractors of ableism, and the second, which looks better at a glance, is actually one of those "I'm sorry what I said was misinterpreted" apologies, which shifts some of the blame off of herself and onto to the ones calling her out.

For those who didn't follow the links to what this girl said, here's the major one that caused the shit storm:

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No, but what I’m saying is how do we not know that this wasn’t the other way around? Why is she the aggressor and not the victim? Why does the male in this situation get a pass for what he did? Perhaps he wanted her to do it? Men are more sexually active at younger ages according to science. I’m a warrior against rape and rape culture but in this situation, it seems consensual.

The boy and woman were 8 and 16 respectively when this happened.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 22, 2014, 09:03:13 pm
Something else she's getting shit for: When an "asker" told her that eight year olds cannot consent she replied:

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I hate this 8 YEAR 8 YEAR 8 YEAR OLD. People keep forgetting the key word: 8 year old male.

And then tried to excuse it with "science says men are more sexually active at younger ages."

She's also an militant vegan and when a photoset of a burger appeared on her dash, she responded with this:

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TW: Abuse, Torture, Murder, Rape

I don’t remember why I started follow you, but at this point I don’t care. You don’t reblog murder and call it “sex” or NOM NOM. It’s not funny. It’s called abuse. Do you know cows are raped to produce milk? Do you know they’re murdered for that hunk of meat? Pepperoni is meat too so there’s more murder. STOP GLORIFYING MURDER, TORTURE, and RAPE. IT’s not cool, it’s not funny, it’s not “nom nom”. It’s fucking disgusting and I’m tired of seeing this shit reblogged and glorified on this website.

How would you like it if I took your mother, hacked her up and put her between some bread and slathered her in tomato sauce? I mean, maybe she’s tasty? Would you like that?

*unfollows

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 22, 2014, 09:18:27 pm
That wouldn't work with my mom. She's tiny (5'1 & 3/4) and skinny as a rail. There's not even enough for a goddamn sandwich there. ("Paging Dr. Freud, Dr. Freud to the 'Worst of Social Justice' thread.")
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 22, 2014, 10:02:05 pm
She sounds like she would've been fun to mess with.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 22, 2014, 11:10:09 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 22, 2014, 08:04:16 pm
Quote from: Damen on March 22, 2014, 07:31:19 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 21, 2014, 07:07:03 pm
Quote from: IanC on March 21, 2014, 06:57:50 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 21, 2014, 06:39:49 pm
Of course, there are a couple who suspect she might be a troll.  I sincerely hope so.  It turns out this account has only been open for 5 days (as of writing this).
I really, really hope so too. Ive read some of her responses and it does seem very trollish

But then someone brought up the question of "if this is a troll, then why did she bother deleting the fake story?"

Seems she's had enough and is trying to "apologize" but said apology just strikes me as half-assed.

There were two major ones (not counting all the "that's not what I said!" ones): the first one was the most atrocious thing where, on the fly, she did a self-diagnosis of some disorder to excuse her posts and accused her detractors of ableism, and the second, which looks better at a glance, is actually one of those "I'm sorry what I said was misinterpreted" apologies, which shifts some of the blame off of herself and onto to the ones calling her out.

For those who didn't follow the links to what this girl said, here's the major one that caused the shit storm:

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No, but what I’m saying is how do we not know that this wasn’t the other way around? Why is she the aggressor and not the victim? Why does the male in this situation get a pass for what he did? Perhaps he wanted her to do it? Men are more sexually active at younger ages according to science. I’m a warrior against rape and rape culture but in this situation, it seems consensual.

The boy and woman were 8 and 16 respectively when this happened.

I didn't see the first "apology" until just now. And...wow. Just stop.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on March 23, 2014, 01:37:29 am
"8 year olds, dude, 8 year olds"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: IanC on March 23, 2014, 09:42:03 am
"Cows are raped to produce milk"

Huh? Wha? Blah?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 23, 2014, 10:22:56 am
They might, in less reputable farms, be kept pregnant so they can produce milk for longer.  I'll admit, that's pretty god damned fucked up, but...well, ya see, I like cheese.  And don't give me that "vegan cheese" bullshit.  All the vegan cheese (and, indeed, most vegan substitute products) looks totally inedible.  I know that looks don't account for taste, and something can look terrible and be great, but I just can't bring myself to eat something that looks like something tasty that had the lifeblood sucked out of it by some horrid flavour vampire.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 23, 2014, 10:57:44 am
...I think this one might like cats a little too much (http://electricmonkeypants.tumblr.com/post/80443696677)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 23, 2014, 04:03:04 pm
Not sure that qualifies as "worst of social justice". It's kind of silly, but the underlying message isn't a bad one: People should be treated with respect regardless of what size they are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 23, 2014, 04:30:05 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 22, 2014, 12:14:35 am
Quote from: Random Guy on March 21, 2014, 08:37:43 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 21, 2014, 06:24:05 pm
21-year old woman gets only a year in prison for repeatedly raping a boy. brave genderqueer cumberbitch defends the woman, saying that maybe the boy wanted it and was not a victim. spoiler alert, the boy in question is only 8 years old (http://dropmycumberbritches.tumblr.com/post/80261238872/cheapobsession-dropmycumberbritches)

Once again, despite their whining about how women always get off too easy, not a single MRA comes to this boy's defense.

I'm sure they'll latch onto it eventually
Yeah, I'm sure they'll be respectful and use this as a way to discuss the legitimate problem of male rape in society without using the whole thing as a quick "take that" against feminism!

Then squids will destroy New York!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 23, 2014, 10:16:10 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 23, 2014, 04:03:04 pm
Not sure that qualifies as "worst of social justice". It's kind of silly, but the underlying message isn't a bad one: People should be treated with respect regardless of what size they are.

Yeah, that's actually a pretty good post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on March 24, 2014, 05:15:22 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 23, 2014, 04:03:04 pm
Not sure that qualifies as "worst of social justice". It's kind of silly, but the underlying message isn't a bad one: People should be treated with respect regardless of what size they are.

"A person's a person, no matter how small"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 24, 2014, 06:37:35 pm
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Honest question, what's wrong with eggs and milk.

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They are the result of the rape and torture of two beautiful creatures that can feel the sensation of pain and remember it, thus living a tortured life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 24, 2014, 09:17:47 pm
........

Ironbite-chickens produce eggs even if they haven't been fucked.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 25, 2014, 12:47:05 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 21, 2014, 06:24:05 pm
21-year old woman gets only a year in prison for repeatedly raping a boy. brave genderqueer cumberbitch defends the woman, saying that maybe the boy wanted it and was not a victim. spoiler alert, the boy in question is only 8 years old (http://dropmycumberbritches.tumblr.com/post/80261238872/cheapobsession-dropmycumberbritches)

Wow, she deleted her tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 25, 2014, 01:00:37 am
Quote from: Damen on March 25, 2014, 12:47:05 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 21, 2014, 06:24:05 pm
21-year old woman gets only a year in prison for repeatedly raping a boy. brave genderqueer cumberbitch defends the woman, saying that maybe the boy wanted it and was not a victim. spoiler alert, the boy in question is only 8 years old (http://dropmycumberbritches.tumblr.com/post/80261238872/cheapobsession-dropmycumberbritches)

Wow, she deleted her tumblr.
She should delete any other accounts she has online to, and then donate all her money to a charity to help rape victims. And then go into a corner and think about her life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 25, 2014, 01:34:23 am
Fandoms are serious business.

(http://i.imgur.com/19QjcWg.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 25, 2014, 01:55:17 am
Was censoring his name really necessary?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: syaoranvee on March 25, 2014, 01:58:49 am
I almost spit out my drink.

My sides.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 25, 2014, 02:08:48 am
If you expect any fandom to be full of anything other than total fuckwits, you're going to have a bad time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 25, 2014, 02:25:00 am
So, this guy has cancer and has started a kickstarter to help fund his treatment (http://blog.humblebundle.com/post/79398200426/a-very-special-humble-bundle-of-love-for-brandon-boyer) (extra funds leftover go to cancer treatment research).  Anyone who donates $25 or more gets a bundle package of 30+ indie games and soundtracks. 

And someone decided to respond with:

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i hope brandon boyer dies

just this whole thing is fucking disgusting

the condition of one white dude being treated as somehow worthy of the attention and money of complete strangers, as if this is a good charitable cause to contribute to

fuck brandon boyer and fuck anyone who gives him money

(i don’t blame boyer for having cancer and i wouldn’t blame him for appealing to friends or family for help with the treatment and coping with it, my problem is with making it a giant public event, as if he’s a saint who deserves the love and attention of everyone

it’s disgustingly privileged)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on March 25, 2014, 02:30:15 am
God forbid a human being wants to live.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 25, 2014, 03:09:55 am
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Why does this need a trigger warning?
"I'm scared to start a new show because they might write in an asshole character who says rude things."

Well, yeah that's what writers do. Honestly, how do people like this function offline?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 25, 2014, 07:15:48 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ZKZxsmL.jpg)
Erasure of queer identites = the writers aren't portraying Sherlock and Watson as a gay couple and this hurts my feelings
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 25, 2014, 10:34:25 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 25, 2014, 03:09:55 am
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Why does this need a trigger warning?
"I'm scared to start a new show because they might write in an asshole character who says rude things."

Well, yeah that's what writers do. Honestly, how do people like this function offline?
Stupidity triggers me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 25, 2014, 10:37:04 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 25, 2014, 07:15:48 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ZKZxsmL.jpg)
Erasure of queer identites = the writers aren't portraying Sherlock and Watson as a gay couple and this hurts my feelings
How is it ableist, Sherlock is probably the first autistic character to be portrayed realistically.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 25, 2014, 03:47:25 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 25, 2014, 07:15:48 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ZKZxsmL.jpg)
Erasure of queer identites = the writers aren't portraying Sherlock and Watson as a gay couple and this hurts my feelings

Also Hannibal was a product of his time. In a Vietnam war era special forces unit I would imagine being openly gay would be welcomed with open arms. Sure, Mr. T wrote a lot of jewelry, but that's hardly comparable.

Oh wait. He probably meant Hannibal Lecter and not Hannibal from the old A- Team series.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on March 25, 2014, 05:50:46 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 25, 2014, 03:09:55 am
Why does this need a trigger warning?

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 25, 2014, 05:53:45 pm
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rampant ableism

I always figured there was an "anthropic principle" of good storytelling where the characters find themselves in interesting situations doing interesting things. It's part of why kids enjoy watching action movies with adults in them instead of kids, and (presumably) why we don't have lots of stories where the protagonist is in a vegetative state (no, a battle in the center of the mind doesn't count).

It's about escapism. Flawed characters are only interesting to a point -- give them too many disadvantages and disabilities and they can no longer participate in an interesting story.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 25, 2014, 06:13:14 pm
Quote from: Sixth Monarchist on March 25, 2014, 05:50:46 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 25, 2014, 03:09:55 am
Why does this need a trigger warning?

META-TRIGGER WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS A TRIGGER WARNING
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Triggerception!

TW:leonardo dicaprio
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on March 25, 2014, 07:30:43 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 25, 2014, 05:53:45 pm
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rampant ableism

I always figured there was an "anthropic principle" of good storytelling where the characters find themselves in interesting situations doing interesting things. It's part of why kids enjoy watching action movies with adults in them instead of kids, and (presumably) why we don't have lots of stories where the protagonist is in a vegetative state (no, a battle in the center of the mind doesn't count).

It's about escapism. Flawed characters are only interesting to a point -- give them too many disadvantages and disabilities and they can no longer participate in an interesting story.

Yeah, it isn't really a story if the main character or characters aren't unusual in some way, unless that is the point - in which case, they're unusually usual (see: Napoleon Dynamite).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on March 25, 2014, 08:56:11 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 25, 2014, 07:15:48 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ZKZxsmL.jpg)
Erasure of queer identites = the writers aren't portraying Sherlock and Watson as a gay couple and this hurts my feelings

I never understood queerbaiting. What i would like to see is them kissing, going "eh" and just walking away.

If only to watch tumblr implode. Besides, half these people only want their ship to be canon, and if youre only watching a show for fanfiction fapping material. You have bigger things to worry about.

Besides, even if you do get said canon faggotry, its gonna be so boring in the show. If it gets the same treatment as straight people, tumblr is going to go "they arent being gay enough, theyre just talking!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 26, 2014, 12:13:03 am
Just because two same gendered people share an apartment does not mean they are gay.

Colleagues, room-mates, friends; They were all these things, but never lovers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 26, 2014, 12:22:59 am
But...but...THEY'RE BRITISH!  OF COURSE THEY'RE GAY!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 26, 2014, 12:24:07 am
Quote from: ironbite on March 26, 2014, 12:22:59 am
But...but...THEY'RE BRITISH!  OF COURSE THEY'RE GAY!
The Scots would probably take offense to that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2014, 12:25:11 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 26, 2014, 12:24:07 am
Quote from: ironbite on March 26, 2014, 12:22:59 am
But...but...THEY'RE BRITISH!  OF COURSE THEY'RE GAY!
The Scots would probably take offense to that.
Yeah, they're too busy fucking sheep to bother with homosexuality.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 26, 2014, 12:46:19 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on March 25, 2014, 08:56:11 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 25, 2014, 07:15:48 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ZKZxsmL.jpg)
Erasure of queer identites = the writers aren't portraying Sherlock and Watson as a gay couple and this hurts my feelings

I never understood queerbaiting. What i would like to see is them kissing, going "eh" and just walking away.

If only to watch tumblr implode. Besides, half these people only want their ship to be canon, and if youre only watching a show for fanfiction fapping material. You have bigger things to worry about.

Besides, even if you do get said canon faggotry, its gonna be so boring in the show. If it gets the same treatment as straight people, tumblr is going to go "they arent being gay enough, theyre just talking!"

I've seen similar posts about this subject; tumblr seems to assume that the majority of slash/yaoi shippers and fic writers are queer folks who are trying to deal to with being underrepresented in the media.  And then there are those who take it way too far and become so attached to their headcanons that when something happens in canon that doesn't conform to it or outright denies it, they act like some personal offense or betrayal was committed against them and the characters.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 26, 2014, 01:46:02 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2014, 12:25:11 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 26, 2014, 12:24:07 am
Quote from: ironbite on March 26, 2014, 12:22:59 am
But...but...THEY'RE BRITISH!  OF COURSE THEY'RE GAY!
The Scots would probably take offense to that.
Yeah, they're too busy fucking sheep to bother with homosexuality.
Edgy much?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 26, 2014, 01:50:48 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 26, 2014, 01:46:02 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2014, 12:25:11 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 26, 2014, 12:24:07 am
Quote from: ironbite on March 26, 2014, 12:22:59 am
But...but...THEY'RE BRITISH!  OF COURSE THEY'RE GAY!
The Scots would probably take offense to that.
Yeah, they're too busy fucking sheep to bother with homosexuality.
Edgy much?

You know you're in social justice when old jokes about national pasttimes are considered "too edgy".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 26, 2014, 01:59:47 am
Quote from: Ironchew on March 26, 2014, 01:50:48 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 26, 2014, 01:46:02 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2014, 12:25:11 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 26, 2014, 12:24:07 am
Quote from: ironbite on March 26, 2014, 12:22:59 am
But...but...THEY'RE BRITISH!  OF COURSE THEY'RE GAY!
The Scots would probably take offense to that.
Yeah, they're too busy fucking sheep to bother with homosexuality.
Edgy much?

You know you're in social justice when old jokes about national pasttimes are considered "too edgy".
ah, I hadn't actually heard of the jokes before so it sounded significantly harsher.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 26, 2014, 02:34:59 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 26, 2014, 12:24:07 am
Quote from: ironbite on March 26, 2014, 12:22:59 am
But...but...THEY'RE BRITISH!  OF COURSE THEY'RE GAY!
The Scots would probably take offense to that.
The men who wear skirts are afraid of having their sexuality be questioned? :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 26, 2014, 03:04:03 am
Quote from: askold on March 26, 2014, 02:34:59 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 26, 2014, 12:24:07 am
Quote from: ironbite on March 26, 2014, 12:22:59 am
But...but...THEY'RE BRITISH!  OF COURSE THEY'RE GAY!
The Scots would probably take offense to that.
The men who wear skirts are afraid of having their sexuality be questioned? :P
Yep. They guys who wear skirts have have a fixation on long and hard objects (claymores, cabers, all that fun stuff) will be most put out should you suggest that they like the peen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 26, 2014, 08:39:35 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 26, 2014, 03:04:03 am
Quote from: askold on March 26, 2014, 02:34:59 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 26, 2014, 12:24:07 am
Quote from: ironbite on March 26, 2014, 12:22:59 am
But...but...THEY'RE BRITISH!  OF COURSE THEY'RE GAY!
The Scots would probably take offense to that.
The men who wear skirts are afraid of having their sexuality be questioned? :P
Yep. They guys who wear skirts have have a fixation on long and hard objects (claymores, cabers, all that fun stuff) will be most put out should you suggest that they like the peen.

So, you're equating Scots with American football players, then?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 26, 2014, 09:10:51 am
I thought the Scots wore skirts because sheep will bolt at the sound of a zipper being pulled. Makes you wonder why they never caught on in New Zealand. ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 26, 2014, 09:19:01 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 26, 2014, 09:10:51 am
I thought the Scots wore skirts because sheep will bolt at the sound of a zipper being pulled. Makes you wonder why they never caught on in New Zealand. ;D

They're likely too busy trying not to die from the horrors they've absorbed by-proxy from Australia.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 26, 2014, 10:30:05 am
This just in: Ronald Reagan fucked everything up for fat people, and there is no scientific consensus that obesity has health risks (http://www.mediaite.com/online/feminist-organizers-ronald-reagan-fcked-everything-up-for-fat-people/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 26, 2014, 10:35:38 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 26, 2014, 10:30:05 am
This just in: Ronald Reagan fucked everything up for fat people, and there is no scientific consensus that obesity has health risks (http://www.mediaite.com/online/feminist-organizers-ronald-reagan-fcked-everything-up-for-fat-people/)
Reagan fucked everything up for every demographic (except the rich of course). So saying how he fucked it up for a specific demographic is pointless.


Fat itself isn't a health risk, it's the fact if your fat you probably have a bunch of other health problems like high cholesterol.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2014, 10:38:09 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 26, 2014, 10:30:05 am
This just in: Ronald Reagan fucked everything up for fat people, and there is no scientific consensus that obesity has health risks (http://www.mediaite.com/online/feminist-organizers-ronald-reagan-fcked-everything-up-for-fat-people/)
Reagan made some mistakes, but this was not one of them.  Where did these idiots get this idea from?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 26, 2014, 11:52:24 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 26, 2014, 10:30:05 am
This just in: Ronald Reagan fucked everything up for fat people, and there is no scientific consensus that obesity has health risks (http://www.mediaite.com/online/feminist-organizers-ronald-reagan-fcked-everything-up-for-fat-people/)

Well... There really is not research to prove that it is obesity itself that causes medical problems (apart from damage to limbs and particularly to legs due to extreme weight.) there is only statistic correlation between obesity and a huge amount of illnesses and ailments.

And in some cases it is the health problem that causes (or at least makes you more susceptible to) obesity. Then again, when dealing with extreme obesity there will be several problems to health and losing weight is part of dealing with the problem AND it is a fact that obesity can aggravate some ailments. (Frogman for example was recently diagnosed with another ailment which he had had for a long time but which had not been noticed untill he gained some more extra pounds and that problem got worse.)

And medical companies ARE trying to squeeze every single penny they can out of the fat people with scaremongering and dietary supplements and snake oil and whatnot. (Then again they do the same to everyone.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2014, 12:57:43 pm
Quote
Its wrong to judge African-American culture for "misogyny" and "homophobia". Their underpriveliged.
...Do I even have to say anything?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 26, 2014, 01:48:43 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2014, 12:57:43 pm
Quote
Its wrong to judge African-American culture for "misogyny" and "homophobia". Their underpriveliged.
...Do I even have to say anything?

...Truly, the misuse of their, they're and there is the greatest of all sins.

Oh, and the ironic racism in that post is ironic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2014, 02:06:16 pm
Quote from: askold on March 26, 2014, 01:48:43 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2014, 12:57:43 pm
Quote
Its wrong to judge African-American culture for "misogyny" and "homophobia". Their underpriveliged.
...Do I even have to say anything?

...Truly, the misuse of their, they're and there is the greatest of all sins.

Oh, and the ironic racism in that post is ironic.
Not to mention the assumption of a single African-American culture.  That's just plain stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 26, 2014, 03:42:37 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 25, 2014, 02:25:00 am
So, this guy has cancer and has started a kickstarter to help fund his treatment (http://blog.humblebundle.com/post/79398200426/a-very-special-humble-bundle-of-love-for-brandon-boyer) (extra funds leftover go to cancer treatment research).  Anyone who donates $25 or more gets a bundle package of 30+ indie games and soundtracks. 

And someone decided to respond with:

Quote
i hope brandon boyer dies

just this whole thing is fucking disgusting

the condition of one white dude being treated as somehow worthy of the attention and money of complete strangers, as if this is a good charitable cause to contribute to

fuck brandon boyer and fuck anyone who gives him money

(i don’t blame boyer for having cancer and i wouldn’t blame him for appealing to friends or family for help with the treatment and coping with it, my problem is with making it a giant public event, as if he’s a saint who deserves the love and attention of everyone

it’s disgustingly privileged)

(http://www.troll.me/images/are-you-fucking-kidding-me/seriously-.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 26, 2014, 04:29:33 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/8naRsSS.jpg)
SHAME AND DISHONOUR UPON YOU
(Surprised people still give a shit about Miley and that stupid dance)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 26, 2014, 04:42:46 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 26, 2014, 04:29:33 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/8naRsSS.jpg)
SHAME AND DISHONOUR UPON YOU
(Surprised people still give a shit about Miley and that stupid dance)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lksczotj8i1qe0tgxo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 26, 2014, 06:06:28 pm
Quote from: askold on March 26, 2014, 11:52:24 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 26, 2014, 10:30:05 am
This just in: Ronald Reagan fucked everything up for fat people, and there is no scientific consensus that obesity has health risks (http://www.mediaite.com/online/feminist-organizers-ronald-reagan-fcked-everything-up-for-fat-people/)

Well... There really is not research to prove that it is obesity itself that causes medical problems (apart from damage to limbs and particularly to legs due to extreme weight.) there is only statistic correlation between obesity and a huge amount of illnesses and ailments.

And in some cases it is the health problem that causes (or at least makes you more susceptible to) obesity. Then again, when dealing with extreme obesity there will be several problems to health and losing weight is part of dealing with the problem AND it is a fact that obesity can aggravate some ailments. (Frogman for example was recently diagnosed with another ailment which he had had for a long time but which had not been noticed untill he gained some more extra pounds and that problem got worse.)

And medical companies ARE trying to squeeze every single penny they can out of the fat people with scaremongering and dietary supplements and snake oil and whatnot. (Then again they do the same to everyone.)
Fat itself isn't really the issue, it's the fact that you most likely have high cholesterol, blood pressure, and a bunch of other stuff I don't know about because I'm not old yet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 26, 2014, 06:14:40 pm
Quote
Quote
is there like a name for a phobia where you’re afraid of finding insects in your fruit because this is seriously hindering my ability to go about daily life

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/393661983ee087048080489e2d1583ef/tumblr_inline_n2pi3xnLPM1qdusd1.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 26, 2014, 07:09:42 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 26, 2014, 06:06:28 pm
Quote from: askold on March 26, 2014, 11:52:24 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 26, 2014, 10:30:05 am
This just in: Ronald Reagan fucked everything up for fat people, and there is no scientific consensus that obesity has health risks (http://www.mediaite.com/online/feminist-organizers-ronald-reagan-fcked-everything-up-for-fat-people/)

Well... There really is not research to prove that it is obesity itself that causes medical problems (apart from damage to limbs and particularly to legs due to extreme weight.) there is only statistic correlation between obesity and a huge amount of illnesses and ailments.

And in some cases it is the health problem that causes (or at least makes you more susceptible to) obesity. Then again, when dealing with extreme obesity there will be several problems to health and losing weight is part of dealing with the problem AND it is a fact that obesity can aggravate some ailments. (Frogman for example was recently diagnosed with another ailment which he had had for a long time but which had not been noticed untill he gained some more extra pounds and that problem got worse.)

And medical companies ARE trying to squeeze every single penny they can out of the fat people with scaremongering and dietary supplements and snake oil and whatnot. (Then again they do the same to everyone.)
Fat itself isn't really the issue, it's the fact that you most likely have high cholesterol, blood pressure, and a bunch of other stuff I don't know about because I'm not old yet.

Aye, fat alone may not be a massive problem, but it doesn't hurt to lose weight if you're overweight, either.  Less for your body to move, which translates to less damage to your joints.  It can also help if you have a sleep apnea problem, as that (as well as snoring) can sometimes be caused and/or exacerbated by being overweight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on March 26, 2014, 09:43:54 pm
I just got told to check my gay privilege because im too comfortable saying fag
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 26, 2014, 09:46:32 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on March 26, 2014, 09:43:54 pm
I just got told to check my gay privilege because im too comfortable saying fag
Seriously? That's gay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 26, 2014, 10:26:32 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on March 26, 2014, 09:43:54 pm
I just got told to check my gay privilege because im too comfortable saying fag
That makes no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 26, 2014, 10:32:07 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 26, 2014, 07:09:42 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 26, 2014, 06:06:28 pm
Quote from: askold on March 26, 2014, 11:52:24 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 26, 2014, 10:30:05 am
This just in: Ronald Reagan fucked everything up for fat people, and there is no scientific consensus that obesity has health risks (http://www.mediaite.com/online/feminist-organizers-ronald-reagan-fcked-everything-up-for-fat-people/)

Well... There really is not research to prove that it is obesity itself that causes medical problems (apart from damage to limbs and particularly to legs due to extreme weight.) there is only statistic correlation between obesity and a huge amount of illnesses and ailments.

And in some cases it is the health problem that causes (or at least makes you more susceptible to) obesity. Then again, when dealing with extreme obesity there will be several problems to health and losing weight is part of dealing with the problem AND it is a fact that obesity can aggravate some ailments. (Frogman for example was recently diagnosed with another ailment which he had had for a long time but which had not been noticed untill he gained some more extra pounds and that problem got worse.)

And medical companies ARE trying to squeeze every single penny they can out of the fat people with scaremongering and dietary supplements and snake oil and whatnot. (Then again they do the same to everyone.)
Fat itself isn't really the issue, it's the fact that you most likely have high cholesterol, blood pressure, and a bunch of other stuff I don't know about because I'm not old yet.

Aye, fat alone may not be a massive problem, but it doesn't hurt to lose weight if you're overweight, either.  Less for your body to move, which translates to less damage to your joints.  It can also help if you have a sleep apnea problem, as that (as well as snoring) can sometimes be caused and/or exacerbated by being overweight.
Yeah, the key is knowing what your body shape is and when fat is becoming a legit health concern and not just a problem with appearance.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 27, 2014, 01:12:27 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on March 26, 2014, 09:43:54 pm
I just got told to check my gay privilege because im too comfortable saying fag

I don't feel the least bit bad using this. ;D

(http://i57.tinypic.com/fktjbk.jpg)

*edit*

Pic didn't work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 28, 2014, 03:10:48 am
Looks like the tumblrinas are after Stephen Colbert now (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/colbert-report-ignites-outrage-with-deleted-asian-joke-tweet?bffb)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 28, 2014, 03:20:07 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 28, 2014, 03:10:48 am
Looks like the tumblrinas are after Stephen Colbert now (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/colbert-report-ignites-outrage-with-deleted-asian-joke-tweet?bffb)
Quote
sat·ire  [sat-ahyuh r]
noun

1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 28, 2014, 02:48:59 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 28, 2014, 03:10:48 am
Looks like the tumblrinas are after Stephen Colbert now (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/colbert-report-ignites-outrage-with-deleted-asian-joke-tweet?bffb)

They're almost always angry at Colbert. Him and Benedict Cumberbatch.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 28, 2014, 07:43:45 pm
Just going off my dash, Tumblr actually seems to be starting to rebel against the crazy SJWs. Instead of a bunch of really sketchy shit, I'm seeing a ton of people demanding that Tumblr stop being "addicted to outrage", to quote Neil Gaiman, and stop spreading hate to try and stop hate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 28, 2014, 07:54:47 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on March 28, 2014, 07:43:45 pm
Just going off my dash, Tumblr actually seems to be starting to rebel against the crazy SJWs. Instead of a bunch of really sketchy shit, I'm seeing a ton of people demanding that Tumblr stop being "addicted to outrage", to quote Neil Gaiman, and stop spreading hate to try and stop hate.
To be honest I actually despise those "Cisphobia" comic strips.
Or do you mean something else?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 28, 2014, 08:04:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 28, 2014, 07:54:47 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on March 28, 2014, 07:43:45 pm
Just going off my dash, Tumblr actually seems to be starting to rebel against the crazy SJWs. Instead of a bunch of really sketchy shit, I'm seeing a ton of people demanding that Tumblr stop being "addicted to outrage", to quote Neil Gaiman, and stop spreading hate to try and stop hate.
To be honest I actually despise those "Cisphobia" comic strips.
Or do you mean something else?

I mean, I'm seeing fewer posts with people saying cisphobic or anti-white and misandrist shit and more posts of people criticizing such behavior.

It's even being suggested seriously that if Tumblr doesn't straighten out, the sheer overwhelming amount of hateful people on it will kill it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 28, 2014, 08:06:34 pm
I like having the social justice warriors all concentrated on Tumblr. I tell you, I'd be really annoying if they were uprooted and migrated to a site that I actually use.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 28, 2014, 08:10:34 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on March 28, 2014, 08:04:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 28, 2014, 07:54:47 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on March 28, 2014, 07:43:45 pm
Just going off my dash, Tumblr actually seems to be starting to rebel against the crazy SJWs. Instead of a bunch of really sketchy shit, I'm seeing a ton of people demanding that Tumblr stop being "addicted to outrage", to quote Neil Gaiman, and stop spreading hate to try and stop hate.
To be honest I actually despise those "Cisphobia" comic strips.
Or do you mean something else?

I mean, I'm seeing fewer posts with people saying cisphobic or anti-white and misandrist shit and more posts of people criticizing such behavior.

It's even being suggested seriously that if Tumblr doesn't straighten out, the sheer overwhelming amount of hateful people on it will kill it.
To be honest I don't really care about 14 year old girls saying "Cishets are really dumb" unless I see someone saying things like "Men can't get raped" or something. Otherwise it either just seams like a bad job at being "Edgy" or just something said ironically.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 28, 2014, 08:32:12 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 28, 2014, 03:10:48 am
Looks like the tumblrinas are after Stephen Colbert now (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/colbert-report-ignites-outrage-with-deleted-asian-joke-tweet?bffb)

AND IT IS GLORIOUS!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 28, 2014, 10:15:50 pm
When I saw that last night I immediately knew that shit was going to hit the fan.

My reaction to this:

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/aedcf40da9341e7904ae4b395c870e67/tumblr_n35qdonP7K1qla0vqo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 28, 2014, 10:59:46 pm
Quote
TW: Abuse, Torture, Murder, Rape

I don’t remember why I started follow you, but at this point I don’t care. You don’t reblog murder and call it “sex” or NOM NOM. It’s not funny. It’s called abuse. Do you know cows are raped to produce milk? Do you know they’re murdered for that hunk of meat? Pepperoni is meat too so there’s more murder. STOP GLORIFYING MURDER, TORTURE, and RAPE. IT’s not cool, it’s not funny, it’s not “nom nom”. It’s fucking disgusting and I’m tired of seeing this shit reblogged and glorified on this website.

How would you like it if I took your mother, hacked her up and put her between some bread and slathered her in tomato sauce? I mean, maybe she’s tasty? Would you like that?

*unfollows*
...rape?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 28, 2014, 11:08:49 pm
There are people out there who believe that cows can only produce milk while they're nursing.  They don't actually understand that cows pretty much produce milk forever.

Ironbite-it's also a Tumblr moron.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 29, 2014, 12:51:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/UtFnmg2.png)

The first two I can understand, it's the second two I have a problem with.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 29, 2014, 01:04:38 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 29, 2014, 12:51:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/UtFnmg2.png)

The first two I can understand, it's the second two I have a problem with.


The third one comes pretty naturally to parents and the fourth is good to an extent. You should support your kids when they find a hobby or job or something that they love.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on March 29, 2014, 07:27:02 am
Quote from: ironbite on March 28, 2014, 11:08:49 pm
There are people out there who believe that cows can only produce milk while they're nursing.  They don't actually understand that cows pretty much produce milk forever.

Ironbite-it's also a Tumblr moron.
It's not only while they're nursing, but they don't produce milk automatically or indefinitely. They'll produce milk for a little over a year after calving, after which they need to be bred again.

(my dad grew up on a dairy farm, so I've absorbed a fair bit of knowledge on the subject)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 29, 2014, 08:42:30 am
Oh so it's a year after calving.  Still not rape.

Ironbite-don't think cows can be raped.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 29, 2014, 09:11:26 am
Quote from: askold on March 29, 2014, 01:04:38 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 29, 2014, 12:51:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/UtFnmg2.png)

The first two I can understand, it's the second two I have a problem with.


The third one comes pretty naturally to parents and the fourth is good to an extent. You should support your kids when they find a hobby or job or something that they love.

Yeah, but on the other hand, the second two come off as what some criticize "modern" parenting of being: namby-pamby bullshit that constantly coddles children, teaches them fucking nothing except to have complete contempt for authority.  I don't advocate beating kids, or really getting physical in your punishment at all outside a slap on the wrist or something unless they just put themselves in immediate, extreme danger.  However, the second two bits do sound like they're basically saying "Oh, by the way, don't you dare discipline your children."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 29, 2014, 09:07:48 pm
That was the problem I had with it. There are times when you should be a little critical of your children. Your child is not a special snowflake who needs to treated like the sun shines out of their ass.

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/f1156075a24fef523c844cb3b04dc2d2/tumblr_n0x1uzEhIX1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 29, 2014, 09:12:03 pm
Don't you ever complain about diarrhoea either, because that's ableist to constipated people.

Naturally, the reverse also applies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 29, 2014, 09:40:37 pm
Someone pointed out that by using the word 'ableist', they're implying that being transgender/transsexual is a disability.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 30, 2014, 09:47:13 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 29, 2014, 09:07:48 pm
That was the problem I had with it. There are times when you should be a little critical of your children. Your child is not a special snowflake who needs to treated like the sun shines out of their ass.

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/f1156075a24fef523c844cb3b04dc2d2/tumblr_n0x1uzEhIX1ryeto5o1_500.png)



(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/666/360/9ba.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on March 30, 2014, 05:10:49 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 29, 2014, 09:07:48 pm
That was the problem I had with it. There are times when you should be a little critical of your children. Your child is not a special snowflake who needs to treated like the sun shines out of their ass.

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/f1156075a24fef523c844cb3b04dc2d2/tumblr_n0x1uzEhIX1ryeto5o1_500.png)

What if you actually have a genuine medical problem that makes your periods worse than normal?

Is it still ableist then?

Edit: I didn't finish the sentance for some reason.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 30, 2014, 06:15:46 pm
Also, someone who would rather have a menstrual cycle than a penis would probably be reconsidering after the first year or so.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 30, 2014, 08:20:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/bdakce5.png)

Well technically AAVE is appropriated from the English language so...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 30, 2014, 08:33:14 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 30, 2014, 08:20:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/bdakce5.png)

Well technically AAVE is appropriated from the English language so...

"The blacks and the whites must be separate, but equal!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 31, 2014, 07:58:51 am
More stupidity from Jezebel, this time from a commenter
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 31, 2014, 03:07:55 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/K7Rbj82.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 31, 2014, 04:30:58 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 31, 2014, 07:58:51 am
More stupidity from Jezebel, this time from a commenter
(click to show/hide)
I think he's just ironchewing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 31, 2014, 11:12:26 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 31, 2014, 04:30:58 pm
I think he's just ironchewing.

(http://rlv.zcache.com/my_jimmies_remain_unrustled_stickers-r9d5e227e10d94602ad4df8578d1c0320_v9waf_8byvr_512.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 01, 2014, 09:33:38 am
Some more bullshit otherkin pronouns for people (http://shiny-ariados.tumblr.com/post/76425423366/im-in-school-right-now-and-i-had-some-free-time-so)

Also, Colbert had a great response to the #CancelColbert shit on his show (http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/full-episodes/u4jfik/march-31--2014---biz-stone)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 01, 2014, 11:10:44 pm
Tumblr pulls an April Fool's day joke and this is what happens:

(http://i.imgur.com/hMQtVlH.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 01, 2014, 11:24:18 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 01, 2014, 11:10:44 pm
Tumblr pulls an April Fool's day joke and this is what happens:

(http://i.imgur.com/hMQtVlH.png)

Tell them you got triggered by their repetition of commas. I would love to see their response.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 01, 2014, 11:29:50 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 01, 2014, 11:10:44 pm
Tumblr pulls an April Fool's day joke and this is what happens:

(http://i.imgur.com/hMQtVlH.png)

David Michael Bennett from Steam Powered Giraffe reblogged a post talking about that. It said that this is how they view these people trying to perform any activity:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on April 01, 2014, 11:39:03 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 01, 2014, 11:10:44 pm
Tumblr pulls an April Fool's day joke and this is what happens:

(http://i.imgur.com/hMQtVlH.png)

Answer: they don't. Ever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 01, 2014, 11:49:32 pm
Lindsey Ellis, the Nostalgia Chick, got an ask after she reblogged that "warning".

Quote
enchanted-wild asked:

Lindsay, even if it seems silly to you, there’s no need to mock people who might benefit from a warning that will help them to avoid a prank that is annoying/frightening/mean-spirited or could aggravate someone’s epilepsy. Seriously, why would that anger you?

Uh… going way overboard with valid points tends to cheapen them. Also I’m pretty sure that second person in the post was joking. Just my fart in the wind of an opinion.

I wish I understood how people functioned.

Ironbite-I really do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 02, 2014, 01:02:02 am
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People who are mocking Suey Park and saying that she’s dumb and doesn’t know what she’s talking about don’t know what they’re talking about. Just because Colbert did something with a good intent doesn’t mean what he did wasn’t harmful. And just because he doesn’t think his satirical racism is actually racist, doesn’t mean he’s right. Yeah, he’s a big name with a big following, but he’s also a white man who maybe doesn’t understand the intricacies of his privilege. And that, inherently, doesn’t make him a bad guy: it makes him unaware of his circumstance.

However, him refusing to acknowledge that his satircal racism was racist? That makes him a jerk.

According to Tumblr, you can't actually make satire pointing out the ironically racist behavior someone engages in to defend themselves from racist accusations. Because even making a satirical comment on racism is.....racist?

I don't know. Chick's a tard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 02, 2014, 01:05:59 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on April 01, 2014, 11:24:18 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 01, 2014, 11:10:44 pm
Tumblr pulls an April Fool's day joke and this is what happens:

(http://i.imgur.com/hMQtVlH.png)

Tell them you got triggered by their repetition of commas. I would love to see their response.

Maybe I should just tell them I have pantophobia.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 02, 2014, 06:30:19 am
Quote from: ironbite on April 01, 2014, 11:49:32 pm
Lindsey Ellis, the Nostalgia Chick, got an ask after she reblogged that "warning".

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enchanted-wild asked:

Lindsay, even if it seems silly to you, there’s no need to mock people who might benefit from a warning that will help them to avoid a prank that is annoying/frightening/mean-spirited or could aggravate someone’s epilepsy. Seriously, why would that anger you?

Uh… going way overboard with valid points tends to cheapen them. Also I’m pretty sure that second person in the post was joking. Just my fart in the wind of an opinion.

I wish I understood how people functioned.

Ironbite-I really do.

Here is the video in question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSBW0EkMD2Y

There is literally nothing of what the above anon claimed.  Nothing.  It is literally like any other faux-inspirational commercial you'd see on tv.

The OP made another post:

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can I point out that all I did was try to warn people of something potentially triggering? I don’t care if you think those phobias don’t exist because they do. and even then why the hell does the post bother you? there’s nothing wrong with it there’s literally nothing wrong with the post. why have I been misgendered 1000+ times in my inbox today. why have I received 500+ death threats. 500+ suicide encouragements. I got rape threats. why. what did I do. what the fuck did I do besides try to fucking help people.

You know, death/rape threats are inexcusable, especially for a 15 year old.  That being said, about the misgendering, the OP's pronouns are 'they' and 'fae'.  The only 'fae' I know about is the word meaning 'fairy'.  I also know that they haven't turned off anon posting (they posted a friendly anon message they got sometime after all this happened).

All in all, someone who commented on this made an interesting point; this person is probably an "ally" who has none of these phobias and doesn't know anyone with these phobias, but is still "taking a stand" on their behalf with well-meaning, but misguided, posts that don't genuinely help anyone but only serve to make the ally look thoughtful, considerate, and enlightened.  In the end, nobody but this ally gave a shit about an inoffensive April Fool's video, and the only problem was the one they manufactured for themselves.  In the end, the thing everyone cared about was the top hats for their icons.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 02, 2014, 07:35:02 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on April 02, 2014, 01:02:02 am
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People who are mocking Suey Park and saying that she’s dumb and doesn’t know what she’s talking about don’t know what they’re talking about. Just because Colbert did something with a good intent doesn’t mean what he did wasn’t harmful. And just because he doesn’t think his satirical racism is actually racist, doesn’t mean he’s right. Yeah, he’s a big name with a big following, but he’s also a white man who maybe doesn’t understand the intricacies of his privilege. And that, inherently, doesn’t make him a bad guy: it makes him unaware of his circumstance.

However, him refusing to acknowledge that his satircal racism was racist? That makes him a jerk.

According to Tumblr, you can't actually make satire pointing out the ironically racist behavior someone engages in to defend themselves from racist accusations. Because even making a satirical comment on racism is.....racist?

I don't know. Chick's a tard.

(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/5/9/5/151595_slide.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 02, 2014, 10:12:10 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ZhfeuUr.jpg)

Apparently starting the #CancelColbert hastag is the same as being raped.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 02, 2014, 12:22:40 pm
......HOW DO THESE PEOPLE FUNCTION!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 02, 2014, 12:24:00 pm
Quote from: ironbite on April 02, 2014, 12:22:40 pm
......HOW DO THESE PEOPLE FUNCTION!?
They don't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 02, 2014, 12:34:55 pm
I'm in the middle of tearing apart the arguments of a chick on Tumblr trying to argue that the "Ching-Chong Ding-Dong Foundation for Sensitivity to Orientals, Or Whatever" is racist regardless of whether or not it's satire.

Her most profound misunderstanding of reality is that Stephen Colbert making that statement is a character. He's a fictional construct who exists only to mock right-wing pundits and stupid people by essentially being a living, subtle strawman of their antics. So subtle, in fact, that some have even taken him seriously and especially stupid right-wingers have even agreed with his satirical points as if he was a real person stating his real opinion. Stephen Colbert The Character saying something racist is literally no different from the villain in a book saying something racist. He's a caricature.

But then you look at exactly where the joke came from. The owner of the Washington Redskins tried to respond to the constant negative publicity of his team's name being arguably a racial slur by founding the Washington Redskins Foundation for Original Americans. Stephen Colbert's joke about the Ching-Chong Ding-Dong Foundation for Sensitivity to Orientals, Or Whatever was calling out Dan Snyder for exactly what you may notice: he's trying to cover his ass about a somewhat racist sports team name by making a foundation to assist them with the same racial slur in its name. It's essentially like someone creating the "Niggers For Freedom Foundation for the Advancement of African-Americans". It's so ironically bad that the guy must not even understand what he's doing wrong.

But this Tumblrina (and almost nobody supporting her; the post only had something like 13 notes at last check and I was two of them) seems to think that even having a fictional character make a racist joke as a way of painting racism in a bad light is bad. I brought up A Modest Proposal and she tried to defend herself with "Well, obviously I didn't think Swift wanted people to eat Irish babies."

Then why the fuck do you think Stephen Colbert is a racist jerk?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 02, 2014, 01:07:01 pm
Because he's a white man and that's the pinnacle of racism in the minds of these idiots.

Ironbite-never mind the fact that women and POCs can also be just as racist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 02, 2014, 01:11:09 pm
Quote from: ironbite on April 02, 2014, 01:07:01 pm
Because he's a white man and that's the pinnacle of racism in the minds of these idiots.

Ironbite-never mind the fact that women and POCs can also be just as racist.
Or sexist, or classist, or misogynistic, or homophobic, etc.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on April 03, 2014, 03:18:01 pm
Quote from: ironbite on April 02, 2014, 01:07:01 pm
Because he's a white man and that's the pinnacle of racism in the minds of these idiots.

So was Jonathan Swift, at least by modern standards. Clearly the elephant in the room here is Stephen Colbert's Living Privilege. I mean, did you know that the dead have no right to vote, or to claim benefits and pensions? It's a fucking outrage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 03, 2014, 03:41:56 pm
(http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2014-04-03.gif)

BECAUSE WOMEN CANNOT FEEL JOY WHEN MEN ARE AROUND!

Men literally suck the happiness from women with their mere presence.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 03, 2014, 03:49:49 pm
Quote from: askold on April 03, 2014, 03:41:56 pm
(http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2014-04-03.gif)

BECAUSE WOMEN CANNOT FEEL JOY WHEN MEN ARE AROUND!

Men literally suck the happiness from women with their mere presence.
That literally made no sense.
Like, does the creator think trans women are all men or something because this is the stupidest shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 03, 2014, 03:57:25 pm
Does anybody remember a time when Sinfest was funny?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 03, 2014, 04:03:41 pm
No.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 03, 2014, 04:56:43 pm
Quote from: ironbite on April 03, 2014, 04:03:41 pm
No.
I'm sure it was back before it turned into...this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 03, 2014, 05:40:51 pm
Wow, I'm such a brainwashed, stupid woman that I didn't realize I wasn't having fun at my guy friend's weekly rp sessions.  Fuck him and the delicious fried chicken and mac & cheese he generously made for us.  Thanks for enlightening me, Sinfest!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 03, 2014, 05:45:14 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 03, 2014, 05:40:51 pm
Wow, I'm such a brainwashed, stupid woman that I didn't realize I wasn't having fun at my guy friend's weekly rp sessions.  Fuck him and the delicious fried chicken and mac & cheese he generously made for us.  Thanks for enlightening me, Sinfest!
Wow, you ate delicious fried chicken of the patriarchy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 03, 2014, 06:25:00 pm
Just found out people are giving the X-Kit guy shit for "ableism" because he felt slapping trigger warnings on tumblr's April Fools video was overblown and overreacting (X-kit is a program similar to Missing E, which gives tumblr a lot of useful features).  Keep in mind that the sjw community also accused him being a racist before . . . and then found out he was from the country he was complaining about and was venting his frustration with it and the people there.

The tumblr social justice community isn't a place of peace, harmony, acceptance, and understanding; it's a crapsaccharine community of stepford smilers who use passive-aggressive tactics to get what they want and where contempt and loathing bubbles just under the surface.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on April 03, 2014, 06:48:35 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 03, 2014, 06:25:00 pm
Just found out people are giving the X-Kit guy shit for "ableism" because he felt slapping trigger warnings on tumblr's April Fools video was overblown and overreacting (X-kit is a program similar to Missing E, which gives tumblr a lot of useful features).  Keep in mind that the sjw community also accused him being a racist before . . . and then found out he was from the country he was complaining about and was venting his frustration with it and the people there.

The tumblr social justice community isn't a place of peace and harmony; it's a crapsaccharine community of stepford smilers who use passive-aggressive tactics to get what they want and where loathing bubbles just under the surface.
Well said, Iosa... well said.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 03, 2014, 08:14:13 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 03, 2014, 06:25:00 pm
Just found out people are giving the X-Kit guy shit for "ableism" because he felt slapping trigger warnings on tumblr's April Fools video was overblown and overreacting (X-kit is a program similar to Missing E, which gives tumblr a lot of useful features).  Keep in mind that the sjw community also accused him being a racist before . . . and then found out he was from the country he was complaining about and was venting his frustration with it and the people there.

The tumblr social justice community isn't a place of peace, harmony, acceptance, and understanding; it's a crapsaccharine community of stepford smilers who use passive-aggressive tactics to get what they want and where contempt and loathing bubbles just under the surface.
God I know, they confuse "literal trash" and "piece of shit" .
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 03, 2014, 11:27:55 pm
Quote from: askold on April 03, 2014, 03:41:56 pm
(http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2014-04-03.gif)

BECAUSE WOMEN CANNOT FEEL JOY WHEN MEN ARE AROUND!

Men literally suck the happiness from women with their mere presence.

I don't think Tatsuya has ever spent more than five minutes in a room full of women.

Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 03, 2014, 03:57:25 pm
Does anybody remember a time when Sinfest was funny?

It had it's problems before, but it also had some pretty good moments.  Here is one from 2006:
(http://www.shoutwiki.com/w/images/badwebcomicswiki/0/00/2006-05-05.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on April 04, 2014, 12:55:05 am
I liked his three cartoons about Warhawk and Love Dove:

(http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2003-03-25.gif)

(http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2004-08-05.gif)

(http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2007-03-30.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 04, 2014, 01:04:44 am
I really used to like Sinfest. Back in the old days.

I and still check it out occasionally hoping that it would have some good strips every now and then.

Honestly, back in the old days it could make fun of both feminism and chauvinism and pretty much everything. It had ROMANCE. Some of the scenes with Slick and Monique or with the nerd and the devil girl were just so beautifully done and he knew just how to tease with scenes where everyone but Slick and 'Nique saw that they're meant for each other. And that is not something that is easy to do well.

It have a very wide variety of subjects it could write about, but now the feminism saga is spreading like cancer into all the subjects in the comic and just killing the show. If it was at least some good kind of feminism and more than just "MEN ARE EBIL" then it wouldn't be so bad. (Actually, that I think is the thing that disappointed me the most. Ishida is a decent writer and I would have assumed that he could write about feminism and still write good, FUNNY strips...)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 04, 2014, 01:41:13 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 03, 2014, 11:27:55 pm
Quote from: askold on April 03, 2014, 03:41:56 pm
(http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2014-04-03.gif)

BECAUSE WOMEN CANNOT FEEL JOY WHEN MEN ARE AROUND!

Men literally suck the happiness from women with their mere presence.

I don't think Tatsuya has ever spent more than five minutes in a room full of women.

Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 03, 2014, 03:57:25 pm
Does anybody remember a time when Sinfest was funny?

It had it's problems before, but it also had some pretty good moments.  Here is one from 2006:
(http://www.shoutwiki.com/w/images/badwebcomicswiki/0/00/2006-05-05.gif)
I think it's a case where they should have stopped earlier and just died a dignified death.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 04, 2014, 01:43:12 am
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/9fdb9e2c702e191d348f8f38fe07a43a/tumblr_inline_n1o5535sDV1r25ej3.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 04, 2014, 01:50:27 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 04, 2014, 01:43:12 am
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/9fdb9e2c702e191d348f8f38fe07a43a/tumblr_inline_n1o5535sDV1r25ej3.png)
While I agree that the porn industry has serious issues this is stupid.

Like, the point is that weird ass messed up comments are juxtaposed with pleasant and normal bad rounds.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 04, 2014, 07:55:56 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 04, 2014, 01:50:27 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 04, 2014, 01:43:12 am
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/9fdb9e2c702e191d348f8f38fe07a43a/tumblr_inline_n1o5535sDV1r25ej3.png)
While I agree that the porn industry has serious issues this is stupid.

Like, the point is that weird ass messed up comments are juxtaposed with pleasant and normal bad rounds.

Or, alternatively, piss them off with this, for the win:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlBIjSFbHEM

(Double points because they won't get the irony that the song is actually criticizing the gratuitous, pointless sex in games.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Barbarella on April 04, 2014, 12:16:32 pm
Quote from: askold on April 04, 2014, 01:04:44 am
I really used to like Sinfest. Back in the old days.

I and still check it out occasionally hoping that it would have some good strips every now and then.

Honestly, back in the old days it could make fun of both feminism and chauvinism and pretty much everything. It had ROMANCE. Some of the scenes with Slick and Monique or with the nerd and the devil girl were just so beautifully done and he knew just how to tease with scenes where everyone but Slick and 'Nique saw that they're meant for each other. And that is not something that is easy to do well.

It have a very wide variety of subjects it could write about, but now the feminism saga is spreading like cancer into all the subjects in the comic and just killing the show. If it was at least some good kind of feminism and more than just "MEN ARE EBIL" then it wouldn't be so bad. (Actually, that I think is the thing that disappointed me the most. Ishida is a decent writer and I would have assumed that he could write about feminism and still write good, FUNNY strips...)

SinFest used to be good, then it became a "Hardcore-RadFem-Junk-Written-By-A-Boomerang-Bigot-Guy-Non-Stop-24/7" StupidFest.

It's also become rather sex-negative & less funny as well.

SinFest used to be pro-sex, the "sexist" stuff seemed more tongue-in-cheek than offensive & it was both intelligent & HILARIOUS!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 04, 2014, 03:08:32 pm
"Boomerang Bigot"?  Is he racist against Australian Aborigines?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 04, 2014, 05:21:17 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 04, 2014, 03:08:32 pm
"Boomerang Bigot"?  Is he racist against Australian Aborigines?

Boomerang bigots are people who are bigoted against their own group.  In this case, the author of Sinfest is a man who seems to really hate other men and agrees with all the stereotypes attributed to them by radfems.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 05, 2014, 01:38:16 am
In other words, he's kind of like Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks, except he's biased against his own gender instead of race.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 05, 2014, 03:01:42 am
Lol, just unfrollowed some SJW on tumblr.
They made some Stefan cobbears literal orge piss diahrea post.

I theorize that tumblr runs on scandal mongering and thus needs a constant ressuplly of faux outrage or else it will collapse and cause an XK-class "scorched earth" scenario.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 05, 2014, 09:09:11 am
(http://i.imgur.com/2malhKn.png)
Have fun justifying that tatoo at job interviews, lady!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 05, 2014, 01:02:19 pm
Fuck, that's one of the primary reasons I avoid tattoos and piercings.  That, and honestly, I can't see having something I'd ever want to be permanently affixed to my body that wasn't a cybernetic upgrade of some sort.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 05, 2014, 01:17:50 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 05, 2014, 09:09:11 am
(click to show/hide)
Have fun justifying that tatoo at job interviews, lady!

I choose to interpret it as saying real feminists wear glasses. Because it makes about as much sense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 05, 2014, 01:59:25 pm
I would troll her back with, "Cows wear nose rings", but some dear friends of both sexes have them, too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 05, 2014, 02:32:41 pm
"Don't coddle your oppressors"?! Is that SJW-speak for "Act like a raging douchecastle at all times, and if confronted, scream 'oppression'"? Because that's the message I'm getting.


Also, nice TMNT stuff in the background. Because that totally doesn't make you look like a spoilt woman-child who still mad because daddy never got her a pony.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 05, 2014, 07:19:36 pm
I think the most ironic thing about the #CancelColbert movement is that the Native American community has been thrown under the bus by sjws in favor of the Asian community; the original joke was about the Redskin's owner making a racist comment.  And yet, the controversy over Colbert's comment has been blown up so much that I had no idea that the joke was about the Redskins, because nobody in the social justice circle is talking about it like they are about this (I only found out because some people in the tag mentioned it).  Once again, one of the most silent and underrepresented marginalized groups in the US is ignored.

So, here's my prediction of #CancelColbert: the majority of the community will gradually lose interest and grow bored with this controversy, and look for the next 'flavor-of-the-month' social issue; sjws will leave this scandal self-satisfied at how right they are and will feel like they've done something, and their critics will leave confirming their perception at how stupid and ridiculous the sj community is; Stephen Colbert and Suey Park will have their reputations tarnished in the eyes of each other's fans; nothing of importance or substance will have been accomplished; the Redskins will still be the Redskins as the issue continues to get ignored, because the social justice community doesn't give a shit enough about it to blow it up like they did with this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 05, 2014, 08:07:10 pm
Like I said before.  Steven Colbert is a rich white dude who can make fun of everyone and everything and because he's making fun of some "pet" group, these SJWs seem to think they'll get Comedy Central to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs of ratings.

Ironbite-cept that won't happen as that's not how business is run.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 05, 2014, 09:56:20 pm
Quote from: ironbite on April 05, 2014, 08:07:10 pm
Like I said before.  Steven Colbert is a rich white dude who can make fun of everyone and everything and because he's making fun of some "pet" group, these SJWs seem to think they'll get Comedy Central to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs of ratings.

Ironbite-cept that won't happen as that's not how business is run.

And he wasn't even really making fun of them. He was essentially sarcastically making a comparison to the ridiculously, ironically racist name of the pro-native organization the Redskins owner made.

An example of a similar conversation:

White Person A: Hey, let this nicely dressed nigger ahead of you. He's in a hurry.
White Person B: ...uh-huh. Gonna mention the spics and chinks too?
White Person C: *shoves past A* YOU MOTHERFUCKING RACIST, B, GET OUT OF MY QUEUE
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 05, 2014, 10:59:28 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 05, 2014, 09:09:11 am
*sniped*
Have fun justifying that tatoo at job interviews, lady!

I know that blogger. She's an amazing feminist! Here's a few exerts from her quality feminist blog:

(click to show/hide)

Truly an inspiration for women everywhere! ::)

Quote from: Iosa the Invincible
I think the most ironic thing about the #CancelColbert movement is that the Native American community has been thrown under the bus by sjws in favor of the Asian community; the original joke was about the Redskin's owner making a racist comment.  And yet, the controversy over Colbert's comment has been blown up so much that I had no idea that the joke was about the Redskins, because nobody in the social justice circle is talking about it like they are about this (I only found out because some people in the tag mentioned it).  Once again, one of the most silent and underrepresented marginalized groups in the US is ignored.

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/9b4c3179c71449fb1f529984b4405dff/tumblr_n3cq2msU7j1ttay5mo2_500.jpg)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/79a9cb1a7d8b98401fd5bb2bce36a367/tumblr_n3cq2msU7j1ttay5mo3_500.jpg)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/7f64da63abfd19803f5c0995e7e225ce/tumblr_n3cq2msU7j1ttay5mo4_500.jpg)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/cef7aa2027f22501b3af956ebc3e1c0d/tumblr_n3cq2msU7j1ttay5mo5_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 06, 2014, 02:37:10 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 05, 2014, 07:19:36 pm
I think the most ironic thing about the #CancelColbert movement is that the Native American community has been thrown under the bus by sjws in favor of the Asian community; the original joke was about the Redskin's owner making a racist comment.  And yet, the controversy over Colbert's comment has been blown up so much that I had no idea that the joke was about the Redskins, because nobody in the social justice circle is talking about it like they are about this (I only found out because some people in the tag mentioned it).  Once again, one of the most silent and underrepresented marginalized groups in the US is ignored.

I figure they can't really acknowledge the Redskins thing, because it puts Colbert's comment in a context where it's harder to make it look racist. Deducing the implications of the fact that giving context weakens their argument is left as an exercise for the reader.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 06, 2014, 03:27:42 am
Can we talk about something else though? My head sku be tired of uh smartness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: IanC on April 06, 2014, 09:25:59 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 05, 2014, 10:59:28 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 05, 2014, 09:09:11 am
*sniped*
Have fun justifying that tatoo at job interviews, lady!

I know that blogger. She's an amazing feminist! Here's a few exerts from her quality feminist blog:

(click to show/hide)

Truly an inspiration for women everywhere! ::)
So, er, according to this "feminist" then I'm a rapist? Huh. Better go the police then....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 06, 2014, 05:05:17 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 05, 2014, 07:19:36 pm
I think the most ironic thing about the #CancelColbert movement is that the Native American community has been thrown under the bus by sjws in favor of the Asian community

That's how a good chunk of Tumblr SJ operates: Latching onto short-term fad issues, like a comedian making a controversial joke, without taking the opportunity to learn more about serious, on-going problems faced by the communities they're supposed to be standing up for.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 06, 2014, 11:48:17 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/7f28c827fd887e57675929960d6d6b9a/tumblr_mhigdm9Vt41ryeto5o1_400.png)
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1fc6076c024f4f77b1a0fd6a95556471/tumblr_mhigdm9Vt41ryeto5o2_500.png)
Tumblrina doesn't get a joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 07, 2014, 12:55:27 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 06, 2014, 11:48:17 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/7f28c827fd887e57675929960d6d6b9a/tumblr_mhigdm9Vt41ryeto5o1_400.png)
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1fc6076c024f4f77b1a0fd6a95556471/tumblr_mhigdm9Vt41ryeto5o2_500.png)
Tumblrina doesn't get a joke.

I think this is old.  IRC, they closed their account shortly after this.  There were a couple of others, one with the "old bold and brash" joke from Spongebob, and one with the Olympic athlete from Niger.

Also, I'd just like to say that I'm growing tired of the word 'valid' thanks to tumblr, just like 'trigger'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 07, 2014, 01:18:57 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 06, 2014, 11:48:17 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/7f28c827fd887e57675929960d6d6b9a/tumblr_mhigdm9Vt41ryeto5o1_400.png)
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1fc6076c024f4f77b1a0fd6a95556471/tumblr_mhigdm9Vt41ryeto5o2_500.png)
Tumblrina doesn't get a joke.
To be fair that part is probably a Funny aneurism moment to some.

But that doesn't make the SJW's reaction less stupid and comedic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 07, 2014, 01:29:02 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 07, 2014, 12:55:27 am
Also, I'd just like to say that I'm growing tired of the word 'valid' thanks to tumblr, just like 'trigger'.

Tumblr ruins all of the good words. "Problematic" was another casualty.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 07, 2014, 01:31:27 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 07, 2014, 01:29:02 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 07, 2014, 12:55:27 am
Also, I'd just like to say that I'm growing tired of the word 'valid' thanks to tumblr, just like 'trigger'.

Tumblr ruins all of the good words. "Problematic" was another casualty.
It also gave me plenty of words to hate to.

Ooh, scum, literal-X, and garbage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on April 07, 2014, 02:41:03 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 07, 2014, 01:29:02 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 07, 2014, 12:55:27 am
Also, I'd just like to say that I'm growing tired of the word 'valid' thanks to tumblr, just like 'trigger'.

Tumblr ruins all of the good words. "Problematic" was another casualty.

(http://www.easyvegan.info/img/my-food-is-problematic.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 07, 2014, 02:59:55 am
*Bringing the topic back to Colbert for just a second*
Quote
anyone who defends either Colbert or Stewart at this point is instantly on my enemies list. and those people don’t stay on that list for very long.

Tagged: i mean look at his smug ass face in the last photo, makes me want to disembowel him slowly and painfully with a rusty circular saw blade, fuck that i want to dissect him with nothing but a rusty nail, i want his head on a pike.

Because that's a perfectly rational way to respond to a joke you don't like.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 07, 2014, 07:42:08 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 07, 2014, 02:59:55 am
*Bringing the topic back to Colbert for just a second*
Quote
anyone who defends either Colbert or Stewart at this point is instantly on my enemies list. and those people don’t stay on that list for very long.

Tagged: i mean look at his smug ass face in the last photo, makes me want to disembowel him slowly and painfully with a rusty circular saw blade, fuck that i want to dissect him with nothing but a rusty nail, i want his head on a pike.

Because that's a perfectly rational way to respond to a joke you don't like.
She mad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 07, 2014, 03:52:07 pm
Oh my God, its Social Justice Joffrey!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on April 07, 2014, 05:33:19 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 07, 2014, 01:29:02 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 07, 2014, 12:55:27 am
Also, I'd just like to say that I'm growing tired of the word 'valid' thanks to tumblr, just like 'trigger'.

Tumblr ruins all of the good words. "Problematic" was another casualty.

Luckily those bastards'll never get their hands on "solutionatic". Or "roblem" (an issue whose solution costs more resources than the issue ever did).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: shykid on April 07, 2014, 07:09:33 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/uk2Bmo2.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 07, 2014, 07:38:44 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/4Kx3Cer.jpg)
huh?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 07, 2014, 07:48:39 pm
Quote from: shy on April 07, 2014, 07:09:33 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/uk2Bmo2.jpg)
I hope it's a Poe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 07, 2014, 09:13:15 pm
Oh dear god I hope it's a poe.

Ironbite-seriously hope it's a poe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on April 07, 2014, 11:35:21 pm
Is that that "Real Social Justice" blog with that was Nick Jr. themed? And who the fuck would seriously make a RSJ blog themed on a network block aimed from younger, younger children?

Oh, yeah, and somewhere on Tumblr, Levi from Attack on Titan offers SJ advice. Nice... :/
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 07, 2014, 11:42:42 pm
Quote from: shy on April 07, 2014, 07:09:33 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/uk2Bmo2.jpg)

A bit heavy-handed with the social commentary, and the plot leaves a lot to be desired, but I've read worse fanfics.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 07, 2014, 11:45:31 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on April 07, 2014, 11:35:21 pm
Is that that "Real Social Justice" blog with that was Nick Jr. themed? And who the fuck would seriously make a RSJ blog themed on a network block aimed from younger, younger children?

Oh, yeah, and somewhere on Tumblr, Levi from Attack on Titan offers SJ advice. Nice... :/

What, you didn't know about these?  Fandom sj blogs have been popping up for a while now.  One of the more well-known ones is "Disney Villains for Justice", though they say it's not an rp and that they only use the villains to identify the different blog contributors, and that they don't condone the actions of said villains.  Which raises the question:  Why use villains to begin with?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on April 08, 2014, 12:22:58 am
Yeah, I've already heard of these blogs. I was pointing out that they are extremely absurd and they unintentionally make a mockery of social justice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 08, 2014, 12:26:55 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 07, 2014, 11:45:31 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on April 07, 2014, 11:35:21 pm
Is that that "Real Social Justice" blog with that was Nick Jr. themed? And who the fuck would seriously make a RSJ blog themed on a network block aimed from younger, younger children?

Oh, yeah, and somewhere on Tumblr, Levi from Attack on Titan offers SJ advice. Nice... :/

What, you didn't know about these?  Fandom sj blogs have been popping up for a while now.  One of the more well-known ones is "Disney Villains for Justice", though they say it's not an rp and that they only use the villains to identify the different blog contributors, and that they don't condone the actions of said villains.  Which raises the question:  Why use villains to begin with?
I could see some delicious irony.  Gaston for female empowerment, Frollo condemning religious fanaticism, etc.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on April 08, 2014, 12:54:08 am
Oh yes, should I mention the most notable blog of them all, Social Justice Wario, has a character that everybody knows who has a lust for money, condemning Free-market Capitalism.

What the fuck!?

As far as I know, that blog was not a poe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 08, 2014, 12:57:41 am
Quote from: Alehksunos on April 08, 2014, 12:54:08 am
Oh yes, should I mention the most notable blog of them all, Social Justice Wario, has a character that everybody knows who has a lust for money, condemning Free-market Capitalism.

What the fuck!?

As far as I know, that blog was not a poe.

...Do these idiots not realize that it makes them seem like hypocrites?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 08, 2014, 02:15:06 am
(click to show/hide)

EDIT: put it in spoiler tags 'cos massive image.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 08, 2014, 02:17:01 am
Granted, "Social Justice Wario" flows off the tongue nicely.

I'd prefer "Feminist Eggman" as a trope, though.  Because he's confirmed to be an actual feminist.

Wario is confirmed to be a greedy, selfish, exploitative dou<censored for MISOGYNY111!11!!11>

@DakotaBob

I think my screen exploded out of the right side XD
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 08, 2014, 12:09:42 pm
I need to start a character social justice blog, but actually answer questions in-character.

Like if Social Justice Wario actually roleplayed as Wario and answered everything like Wario would.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on April 08, 2014, 12:12:46 pm
SOCIAL JUSTICE CTHULHU
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 08, 2014, 12:19:38 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 08, 2014, 12:12:46 pm
SOCIAL JUSTICE CTHULHU
"Black or white, gay or straight, male or female, I don't discriminate.  Everybody will suffer equally (except for those who happen to be my cultists)."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 08, 2014, 07:16:13 pm
Quote
[Weight loss surgery] is a form of genocide against the fat

:|
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on April 08, 2014, 07:20:58 pm
People who undergo weight loss surgery often need it for health reasons. Should those people just remain that way and eventually die from related causes?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 08, 2014, 09:38:46 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 08, 2014, 07:16:13 pm
Quote
[Weight loss surgery] is a form of genocide against the fat

:|

Makes sense. After all, if zygotes are people, why not adipocytes?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on April 08, 2014, 09:50:34 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on April 08, 2014, 09:38:46 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 08, 2014, 07:16:13 pm
Quote
[Weight loss surgery] is a form of genocide against the fat

:|

Makes sense. After all, if zygotes are people, why not adipocytes?

Interestingly, having just gotten back from Canada and meeting a friend face to face, I realized something.  I could lose the entire friend's weight (120 pounds) and be healthy again, for perspective.  I'm about 290 as it stands, so the fact that I could lose an entire PERSON... it was shocking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 08, 2014, 10:47:41 pm
Fedora jokes are triggering now:

(http://i.imgur.com/ogVxGnb.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 08, 2014, 10:59:09 pm
Is "people of size" supposed to be "people of color" for fat folks now?

If that's implying that white people "have no color", do thin people....not have size?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 08, 2014, 11:14:17 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on April 08, 2014, 10:59:09 pm
Is "people of size" supposed to be "people of color" for fat folks now?

If that's implying that white people "have no color", do thin people....not have size?
Exactly. Thin people are in fact individual mathematical points and have no volume.

Or possibly zero measure sets.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on April 08, 2014, 11:17:19 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on April 08, 2014, 11:14:17 pm
Or possibly zero measure sets.

Probably more like nowhere dense sets.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 08, 2014, 11:32:44 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 08, 2014, 10:47:41 pm
Fedora jokes are triggering now:

(http://i.imgur.com/ogVxGnb.jpg)
Can we stop laughing at "Fedora" Jokes?
No.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 08, 2014, 11:35:05 pm
It's too bad people of intelligence are such a minority on Tumblr. I blame the idioarcy for their oppressive treatment of our people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 09, 2014, 12:00:26 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on April 08, 2014, 11:35:05 pm
It's too bad people of intelligence are such a minority on Tumblr. I blame the idioarcy for their oppressive treatment of our people.
Actually most people on Tumblr are sane, it's just the loudest are SJW's.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 09, 2014, 12:02:13 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 08, 2014, 11:32:44 pm
Can we stop laughing at "Fedora" Jokes?
No.
You marginalisation of people of headwear is extremely problematic and rather triggering.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 09, 2014, 12:48:24 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 09, 2014, 12:00:26 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on April 08, 2014, 11:35:05 pm
It's too bad people of intelligence are such a minority on Tumblr. I blame the idioarcy for their oppressive treatment of our people.
Actually most people on Tumblr are sane, it's just the loudest are SJW's.

This. In fact, it seems like the sane folk on Tumblr are starting to openly rebel against the constant assholery the SJW crowd engages in and people are less and less afraid to respond to crazy bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 09, 2014, 12:53:30 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 09, 2014, 12:02:13 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 08, 2014, 11:32:44 pm
Can we stop laughing at "Fedora" Jokes?
No.
You marginalisation of people of headwear is extremely problematic and rather triggering.

*goes on a shooting rampage*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 09, 2014, 01:02:24 am
Quote from: ironbite on April 09, 2014, 12:53:30 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 09, 2014, 12:02:13 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 08, 2014, 11:32:44 pm
Can we stop laughing at "Fedora" Jokes?
No.
You marginalisation of people of headwear is extremely problematic and rather triggering.

*goes on a shooting rampage*
That escalated rapidly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 09, 2014, 01:26:30 am
For the record, I don't 100% shame people who wear fedoras. There's a small handful of people (prominently the Bennett twins from Steam Powered Giraffe) who can pull it off.

The thing is, you can only pull off that kind of hat if you're a person who's already cool without it. It's like the guys I see who insist on walking around in a suit and tie constantly; I know one guy who insisted on attending Halloween Horror Nights multiple times last year in a full suit, tie, and fedora. They think they look cool and fancy and stylish, but they just end up looking terribly awkward because you can tell that they're doing it intentionally. You can't intentionally make yourself cool if you're not cool yourself. It's like putting lipstick on a pig, except instead of lipstick it's sunglasses.

I think the fedora became such a fad among wannabe cool guys because of its association with classy, old-timey gentlemen. Socially awkward asshole Nice Guys and loveshys who like to think of themselves as superior to the modern Alpha Males (TM) style themselves after 40s movie stars like Humphrey Bogart or "gangsters with class" like the romanticized view of the Mafia; they generally have a romanticized view of the past, thinking of it as an era where being a gentleman was more important than your physical perfection. So they wear fedoras and pinstripe suits and waistcoats to try and emulate that.

Of course, most of them are creatively bereft and probably not entirely in touch with reality. So instead of seeking out their own style or improving on themselves, they simply imitate the rest of the guys. So they all end up with identical clothing: fedora, trenchcoat, and sunglasses. Probably pinstripes for that extra bit of 40s class, leather fingerless gloves to seem tough, and a neckbeard because they don't care enough about physical appearance to groom properly.

I'm just sad that legitimately good and attractive fashion trends have been so thoroughly ruined by socially awkward, very loud assholes. It would have been better if they tried to emulate true chivalry and go about in full plate armor and/or chain mail that they can hang their mall katanas off of.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 09, 2014, 01:30:36 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 08, 2014, 12:19:38 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 08, 2014, 12:12:46 pm
SOCIAL JUSTICE CTHULHU
"Black or white, gay or straight, male or female, I don't discriminate.  Everybody will suffer equally (except for those who happen to be my cultists)."
As long as were making these characters can I make MRA Mario? I thought of other fictional characters that could be used for that but MRA Mario just rolls off the tongue so well and makes a nice mirror image to Social Justice Wario.

Pity that Mario doesn't have a fedora. (That guy from LA Noire would be a better fit for imagery but using a comical character is better for making a parody.)

Oh, and when it comes to fedoras and such... I am getting seriously annoyed that whenever a bad group of people pops up the anger is directed at whatever imagery they have. Nazis are bad people? Let's ban swastika. Neo-Nazis are now using norse symbols? (because swastikas are banned) let's ban norse symbols. MRA's are bad people and wear fedoras? No one is allowed to wear fedora anymore.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 09, 2014, 02:08:34 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 09, 2014, 01:02:24 am
Quote from: ironbite on April 09, 2014, 12:53:30 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 09, 2014, 12:02:13 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 08, 2014, 11:32:44 pm
Can we stop laughing at "Fedora" Jokes?
No.
You marginalisation of people of headwear is extremely problematic and rather triggering.

*goes on a shooting rampage*
That escalated rapidly.
That's people of firearms for you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 09, 2014, 02:19:56 am
Quote from: askold on April 09, 2014, 01:30:36 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 08, 2014, 12:19:38 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 08, 2014, 12:12:46 pm
SOCIAL JUSTICE CTHULHU
"Black or white, gay or straight, male or female, I don't discriminate.  Everybody will suffer equally (except for those who happen to be my cultists)."
As long as were making these characters can I make MRA Mario? I thought of other fictional characters that could be used for that but MRA Mario just rolls off the tongue so well and makes a nice mirror image to Social Justice Wario.

Pity that Mario doesn't have a fedora. (That guy from LA Noire would be a better fit for imagery but using a comical character is better for making a parody.)

Oh, and when it comes to fedoras and such... I am getting seriously annoyed that whenever a bad group of people pops up the anger is directed at whatever imagery they have. Nazis are bad people? Let's ban swastika. Neo-Nazis are now using norse symbols? (because swastikas are banned) let's ban norse symbols. MRA's are bad people and wear fedoras? No one is allowed to wear fedora anymore.
Fedora jokes aren't generally directed at the hat itself, but what it has come to symbolise.
In the words of I forgot:
Quote
It's not the fedora on his head, it's the fedora in his heart.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 09, 2014, 11:09:11 am
Quote from: askold on April 09, 2014, 01:30:36 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 08, 2014, 12:19:38 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 08, 2014, 12:12:46 pm
SOCIAL JUSTICE CTHULHU
"Black or white, gay or straight, male or female, I don't discriminate.  Everybody will suffer equally (except for those who happen to be my cultists)."
As long as were making these characters can I make MRA Mario? I thought of other fictional characters that could be used for that but MRA Mario just rolls off the tongue so well and makes a nice mirror image to Social Justice Wario.

Pity that Mario doesn't have a fedora. (That guy from LA Noire would be a better fit for imagery but using a comical character is better for making a parody.)

Oh, and when it comes to fedoras and such... I am getting seriously annoyed that whenever a bad group of people pops up the anger is directed at whatever imagery they have. Nazis are bad people? Let's ban swastika. Neo-Nazis are now using norse symbols? (because swastikas are banned) let's ban norse symbols. MRA's are bad people and wear fedoras? No one is allowed to wear fedora anymore.

Well, the Nazi imagery ban is mostly a European thing. In the United States you might get dirty looks from ignorant people, but there's no specific law against using a swastika or such in something and people are still trying to emphasize that the Nazis appropriated that symbol from harmless cultures that still exist, rather than inventing it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on April 09, 2014, 11:13:37 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on April 09, 2014, 11:09:11 am
Quote from: askold on April 09, 2014, 01:30:36 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 08, 2014, 12:19:38 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 08, 2014, 12:12:46 pm
SOCIAL JUSTICE CTHULHU
"Black or white, gay or straight, male or female, I don't discriminate.  Everybody will suffer equally (except for those who happen to be my cultists)."
As long as were making these characters can I make MRA Mario? I thought of other fictional characters that could be used for that but MRA Mario just rolls off the tongue so well and makes a nice mirror image to Social Justice Wario.

Pity that Mario doesn't have a fedora. (That guy from LA Noire would be a better fit for imagery but using a comical character is better for making a parody.)

Oh, and when it comes to fedoras and such... I am getting seriously annoyed that whenever a bad group of people pops up the anger is directed at whatever imagery they have. Nazis are bad people? Let's ban swastika. Neo-Nazis are now using norse symbols? (because swastikas are banned) let's ban norse symbols. MRA's are bad people and wear fedoras? No one is allowed to wear fedora anymore.

Well, the Nazi imagery ban is mostly a European thing. In the United States you might get dirty looks from ignorant people, but there's no specific law against using a swastika or such in something and people are still trying to emphasize that the Nazis appropriated that symbol from harmless cultures that still exist, rather than inventing it.

When I took a technical writing course in my undergraduate degree, one of the two essays we had to write on the final exam had "free speech" as a prompt. I argued for a very expansive notion of free speech, using Germany's ban on Holocaust denial as an example of something that's too restrictive, and ended up with the highest mark in my section. (If the prompt had been about freedom of association, I might have argued that banning people from re-forming the Nazi Party went too far.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 09, 2014, 09:29:45 pm
Quote
from the other direction, a white person making white people jokes really can be experienced as appropriation considering POCs use white people jokes in the specific situation of their oppression
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 09, 2014, 09:33:54 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 09, 2014, 09:29:45 pm
Quote
from the other direction, a white person making white people jokes really can be experienced as appropriation considering POCs use white people jokes in the specific situation of their oppression
Gee golly, surree don't wanna offened any y'all folk, all jus get me a soda pop and then for a drive in my Prius to go see die hard!


U mad, SJW?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 09, 2014, 10:20:55 pm
Quote
If I could turn back time and visit Auschwitz I would tell all the prisoners to go vegan. If they asked me why, I would tell them that what they’re going through is nothing compared to what animals go through every single day. If only I could turn back time…I know more people would be vegan today.

This is so absolutely disgusting I was tempted to put warnings up about how horrid it is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2014, 10:27:24 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on April 09, 2014, 10:20:55 pm
Quote
If I could turn back time and visit Auschwitz I would tell all the prisoners to go vegan. If they asked me why, I would tell them that what they’re going through is nothing compared to what animals go through every single day. If only I could turn back time…I know more people would be vegan today.

This is so absolutely disgusting I was tempted to put warnings up about how horrid it is.
...I legitimately want to put this idiot in the hospital.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 09, 2014, 10:30:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2014, 10:27:24 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on April 09, 2014, 10:20:55 pm
Quote
If I could turn back time and visit Auschwitz I would tell all the prisoners to go vegan. If they asked me why, I would tell them that what they’re going through is nothing compared to what animals go through every single day. If only I could turn back time…I know more people would be vegan today.

This is so absolutely disgusting I was tempted to put warnings up about how horrid it is.
...I legitimately want to put this idiot in the hospital.
Save some for me, guys. Just no words will do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 09, 2014, 10:50:13 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on April 09, 2014, 10:20:55 pm
Quote
If I could turn back time and visit Auschwitz I would tell all the prisoners to go vegan. If they asked me why, I would tell them that what they’re going through is nothing compared to what animals go through every single day. If only I could turn back time…I know more people would be vegan today.

This is so absolutely disgusting I was tempted to put warnings up about how horrid it is.

............THE FUCKING HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS FUCKING IDIOT!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on April 09, 2014, 10:52:14 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on April 09, 2014, 10:20:55 pm
Quote
If I could turn back time and visit Auschwitz I would tell all the prisoners to go vegan. If they asked me why, I would tell them that what they’re going through is nothing compared to what animals go through every single day. If only I could turn back time…I know more people would be vegan today.

This is so absolutely disgusting I was tempted to put warnings up about how horrid it is.

Thats a thing of beauty. I love it.

Though i think its a troll, much to my sadness, i wish it was real.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 09, 2014, 10:57:58 pm
A response somebody else had:

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at first, this sort of me because the holocaust victims were people.. but then i realized what I was thinking, it didnt even really matter. Humans dont feel more or less than animals. animals dont even understand why they suffer their whole lives.. i feel like i should be guilty to almost call it worse but idk compare a few years at most to your entire life..

Inorite?  I mean, those Auschwitz people were only there for a few years, no biggie!

She looks like she's twelve in her profile pic.  Do vegans honestly believe animals in captivity spend all their time contemplating their own existence and pain?

Edit:  The "if I could go to Auschwitz" OP deleted their blog.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 09, 2014, 11:15:17 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on April 09, 2014, 10:20:55 pm
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If I could turn back time and visit Auschwitz I would tell all the prisoners to go vegan. If they asked me why, I would tell them that what they’re going through is nothing compared to what animals go through every single day. If only I could turn back time…I know more people would be vegan today.

This is so absolutely disgusting I was tempted to put warnings up about how horrid it is.

Of all the things you would do to help those people, that's what you come up with.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 09, 2014, 11:28:11 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on April 09, 2014, 10:20:55 pm
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If I could turn back time and visit Auschwitz I would tell all the prisoners to go vegan. If they asked me why, I would tell them that what they’re going through is nothing compared to what animals go through every single day. If only I could turn back time…I know more people would be vegan today.

This is so absolutely disgusting I was tempted to put warnings up about how horrid it is.

This is why vegans are so hated.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 10, 2014, 01:53:22 am
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I hope your parents find you dangling off a rope from the ceiling.

This was sent to a ftm trans person's ask box after a few disagreements with one SJW.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 10, 2014, 02:17:11 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 10, 2014, 01:53:22 am
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I hope your parents find you dangling off a rope from the ceiling.

This was sent to a ftm trans person's ask box after a few disagreements with one SJW.
Let me guess, it was sent over anon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 10, 2014, 02:25:22 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 10, 2014, 02:17:11 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 10, 2014, 01:53:22 am
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I hope your parents find you dangling off a rope from the ceiling.

This was sent to a ftm trans person's ask box after a few disagreements with one SJW.
Let me guess, it was sent over anon.


I looked up the tumblr, and no, they actually sent it with their name.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 10, 2014, 02:50:42 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 10, 2014, 02:25:22 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 10, 2014, 02:17:11 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 10, 2014, 01:53:22 am
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I hope your parents find you dangling off a rope from the ceiling.

This was sent to a ftm trans person's ask box after a few disagreements with one SJW.
Let me guess, it was sent over anon.


I looked up the tumblr, and no, they actually sent it with their name.
I suppose the staff have done jack fucking shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 10, 2014, 03:41:41 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 10, 2014, 02:50:42 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 10, 2014, 02:25:22 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 10, 2014, 02:17:11 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 10, 2014, 01:53:22 am
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I hope your parents find you dangling off a rope from the ceiling.

This was sent to a ftm trans person's ask box after a few disagreements with one SJW.
Let me guess, it was sent over anon.


I looked up the tumblr, and no, they actually sent it with their name.
I suppose the staff have done jack fucking shit.

Dude, Lindsay Ellis (Nostalgia Chick) recently reported a tumblr stalker who threatened to rape her and was found to live in her area and the staff still didn't do jack fucking shit (she did report it to the police, though, who actually did fill out a report, much to her surprise).

Anyway, it seems this guy was targeted because he's what some in the tumblr trans community call "truscum", a transgender person who has body dysphoria and "wishes to be cis" (i.e. wanting a body to match the gender they identify as).  He is very open about his opposition to tumblr's "you don't need to have dysphoria to be transgender" movement, and thinks they may be transtrenders wanting to be different.  He's also arguing with "baeddels", transwomen who think men should just die, and people who are insisting that transmen shouldn't want penises because that's "giving in to social constructs".

Long story short, the trans community on tumblr is eating itself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on April 10, 2014, 03:50:42 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 10, 2014, 03:41:41 am
Long story short, the trans community on tumblr is eating itself.

DUDE! You need a trigger warning for cannibalism! Because of all those survivors of cannibal attacks who might be reading this. At least this identity unknown entity was considerate.

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/b8724cf1b7f8cc8b9c5a11825f291273/tumblr_n2n9ryTgEt1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

...yeah. And also!

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/deed06f30dfeee66a6fed3a859935434/tumblr_n2ozc0IaYV1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Quote from: thejebusfire on April 05, 2014, 10:59:28 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 05, 2014, 09:09:11 am
*sniped*
Have fun justifying that tatoo at job interviews, lady!

I know that blogger. She's an amazing feminist! Here's a few exerts from her quality feminist blog:

(click to show/hide)

Truly an inspiration for women everywhere! ::)

Boy I can't wait for this one to reach adulthood.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 10, 2014, 03:52:57 am
Quote from: Damen on April 10, 2014, 03:50:42 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/deed06f30dfeee66a6fed3a859935434/tumblr_n2ozc0IaYV1ryeto5o1_500.png)
The naturalistic fallacy is stupid at the best of times, but this is a whole new level of retarded that I never even dreamed possible.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 10, 2014, 03:59:58 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 10, 2014, 03:52:57 am
Quote from: Damen on April 10, 2014, 03:50:42 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/deed06f30dfeee66a6fed3a859935434/tumblr_n2ozc0IaYV1ryeto5o1_500.png)
The naturalistic fallacy is stupid at the best of times, but this is a whole new level of retarded that I never even dreamed possible.

Seriously, saying that "it's a mutation so it shouldn't exist" pretty much means everything shouldn't exist.  We're all just mutations of the single-celled life-forms that began life on this planet.  Also, the largest single racial demographic is Chinese.  Should we all be Chinese?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 10, 2014, 04:03:49 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 10, 2014, 03:41:41 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 10, 2014, 02:50:42 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 10, 2014, 02:25:22 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 10, 2014, 02:17:11 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 10, 2014, 01:53:22 am
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I hope your parents find you dangling off a rope from the ceiling.

This was sent to a ftm trans person's ask box after a few disagreements with one SJW.
Let me guess, it was sent over anon.


I looked up the tumblr, and no, they actually sent it with their name.
I suppose the staff have done jack fucking shit.

Dude, Lindsay Ellis (Nostalgia Chick) recently reported a tumblr stalker who threatened to rape her and was found to live in her area and the staff still didn't do jack fucking shit (she did report it to the police, though, who actually did fill out a report, much to her surprise).

Anyway, it seems this guy was targeted because he's what some in the tumblr trans community call "truscum", a transgender person who has body dysphoria and "wishes to be cis" (i.e. wanting a body to match the gender they identify as).  He is very open about his opposition to tumblr's "you don't need to have dysphoria to be transgender" movement, and thinks they may be transtrenders wanting to be different.  He's also arguing with "baeddels", transwomen who think men should just die, and people who are insisting that transmen shouldn't want penises because that's "giving in to social constructs".

Long story short, the trans community on tumblr is eating itself.

Once the staff didn't mind a rape threat but did mind it when the rape threat sender got doxxed.

How bad are thing when a horror writing community spawned from 4chan has better mods than the supposedly friendly tumblr?


Also, I will find the next person who accuses tumblr of Hugboxing and laugh at their fucking face.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 10, 2014, 04:25:43 am
The milk one gets better:

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How come no one is questioning why the government teaches children and families that milk is an important part of your diet? I, personally think it’s because they want us to get sick. There’s no money in healthy people, but they benefit greatly from disease.

Fun fact:  Did you know that birds can't "taste" capsaicin, the chemical that makes spicy food spicy?  It's thought that this is because birds make better seed dispersers for these specific plants than mammals, so the plants produce chemicals that are meant to deter mammals from eating the fruit.  So technically, we're not meant to enjoy peppers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 10, 2014, 04:47:43 am
I think they don't understand what breasts are for.

Seriously.

Also, milk drinking is more common in the third world, as they have to take what they get and not be a stupid bitch who thinks milk is racist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 10, 2014, 07:11:06 am
Quote from: Damen on April 10, 2014, 03:50:42 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/b8724cf1b7f8cc8b9c5a11825f291273/tumblr_n2n9ryTgEt1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
This one isn't that bad actually.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 10, 2014, 07:34:25 am
Quote from: askold on April 10, 2014, 07:11:06 am
Quote from: Damen on April 10, 2014, 03:50:42 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/b8724cf1b7f8cc8b9c5a11825f291273/tumblr_n2n9ryTgEt1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
This one isn't that bad actually.

Yeah, I have to agree that some fanfolk of villains take their...infatuation a tad too far and/or too seriously.  Its always the attractive ones, too; I've never seen someone with the hots for Ursula from The Little Mermaid.

Honestly, though, I REALLY don't get being attracted to any villain character.  They're.  The fucking.  Villain.  Unless its topsy-turvy Ayn Rand world where good is evil, then villains are villains because they're god damned evil!  Loki is the villain because he's a murderous megalomaniac, not some poor widdle thing you can fix with a blanket and hot chocolate.  Voldemort is basically Wizard Hitler, Jr., since I believe Grindlewald was the first Wizard Hitler.  Are they fascinating characters with interesting personalities?  Sure, but they're still undoubtedly, unabashedly evil.  Its like why I never go for the "fuck the guy who shot you in the head for a platinum poker chip and left you in a shallow grave" option in New Vegas.  I always just go into his casino, guns (or fists) a-blazing, and turn the fucker into human giblets.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 10, 2014, 09:38:29 am
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I've never seen someone with the hots for Ursula from The Little Mermaid.

You clearly haven't been on the internet long enough.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 10, 2014, 10:27:28 am
Quote from: askold on April 10, 2014, 07:11:06 am
Quote from: Damen on April 10, 2014, 03:50:42 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/b8724cf1b7f8cc8b9c5a11825f291273/tumblr_n2n9ryTgEt1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
This one isn't that bad actually.
Yeah, I basically agree with the idea people will judge characters based  on their looks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 10, 2014, 10:54:35 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 10, 2014, 03:59:58 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 10, 2014, 03:52:57 am
Quote from: Damen on April 10, 2014, 03:50:42 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/deed06f30dfeee66a6fed3a859935434/tumblr_n2ozc0IaYV1ryeto5o1_500.png)
The naturalistic fallacy is stupid at the best of times, but this is a whole new level of retarded that I never even dreamed possible.

Seriously, saying that "it's a mutation so it shouldn't exist" pretty much means everything shouldn't exist.  We're all just mutations of the single-celled life-forms that began life on this planet.  Also, the largest single racial demographic is Chinese.  Should we all be Chinese?

The ignorance of this person is stinking up the place...Lactose tolerance, which mutation happened in many places in the world BTW, may be about the most important factor leading up to a civilization that enabled this SJW to bitch about milk online in the first fucking place.

(http://i.imgur.com/GXWgRHN.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ULTLO1Z.jpg)

(http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/125/main/1/421879.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_10,000_Year_Explosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_10,000_Year_Explosion)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 10, 2014, 01:33:48 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on April 10, 2014, 10:54:35 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 10, 2014, 03:59:58 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 10, 2014, 03:52:57 am
Quote from: Damen on April 10, 2014, 03:50:42 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/deed06f30dfeee66a6fed3a859935434/tumblr_n2ozc0IaYV1ryeto5o1_500.png)
The naturalistic fallacy is stupid at the best of times, but this is a whole new level of retarded that I never even dreamed possible.

Seriously, saying that "it's a mutation so it shouldn't exist" pretty much means everything shouldn't exist.  We're all just mutations of the single-celled life-forms that began life on this planet.  Also, the largest single racial demographic is Chinese.  Should we all be Chinese?

The ignorance of this person is stinking up the place...Lactose tolerance, which mutation happened in many places in the world BTW, may be about the most important factor leading up to a civilization that enabled this SJW to bitch about milk online in the first fucking place.

(http://i.imgur.com/GXWgRHN.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ULTLO1Z.jpg)

(http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/125/main/1/421879.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_10,000_Year_Explosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_10,000_Year_Explosion)
Uuhhh, don't you know they're right?
Seriously, do you think 50% of humans have large things of fat on their chest designed to produce large lactate in order to feed children unable to chew, and that these same balls of fat are so important they are considered the most attractive part of female biology by most men?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on April 10, 2014, 02:32:46 pm
Quote from: Damen on April 10, 2014, 03:50:42 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/deed06f30dfeee66a6fed3a859935434/tumblr_n2ozc0IaYV1ryeto5o1_500.png)

1. Nominating "lactonormative" for the New Heights of Ridiculousness Award.
2. Apparently, Tumblr is not a safe space for the X-Men.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: IanC on April 10, 2014, 03:47:21 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 10, 2014, 07:34:25 am
Yeah, I have to agree that some fanfolk of villains take their...infatuation a tad too far and/or too seriously.  Its always the attractive ones, too; I've never seen someone with the hots for Ursula from The Little Mermaid.

Honestly, though, I REALLY don't get being attracted to any villain character.  They're.  The fucking.  Villain.  Unless its topsy-turvy Ayn Rand world where good is evil, then villains are villains because they're god damned evil!  Loki is the villain because he's a murderous megalomaniac, not some poor widdle thing you can fix with a blanket and hot chocolate.  Voldemort is basically Wizard Hitler, Jr., since I believe Grindlewald was the first Wizard Hitler.  Are they fascinating characters with interesting personalities?  Sure, but they're still undoubtedly, unabashedly evil.  Its like why I never go for the "fuck the guy who shot you in the head for a platinum poker chip and left you in a shallow grave" option in New Vegas.  I always just go into his casino, guns (or fists) a-blazing, and turn the fucker into human giblets.

This, seriously, this!

I am so sick of the fucking Loki fangirls on tumblr. They seem to forget all the evil he did in The Avengers, and cry persecution if you dare point that out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Flying Mint Bunny! on April 10, 2014, 05:12:34 pm
Quote from: Sixth Monarchist on April 10, 2014, 02:32:46 pm
Quote from: Damen on April 10, 2014, 03:50:42 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/deed06f30dfeee66a6fed3a859935434/tumblr_n2ozc0IaYV1ryeto5o1_500.png)

1. Nominating "lactonormative" for the New Heights of Ridiculousness Award.
2. Apparently, Tumblr is not a safe space for the X-Men.

I wonder what they think about that guy with lactokinesis from Misfits.

A white guy who can control milk with his mind, it must go against everything they stand for.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 10, 2014, 08:48:10 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on April 10, 2014, 09:38:29 am
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I've never seen someone with the hots for Ursula from The Little Mermaid.

You clearly haven't been on the internet long enough.

Or maybe I've, thankfully, avoided certain parts.  Kinda like how I'm glad none of my friends, what few there were, were /b/tards (or, even further back, r33tards) and managed to convince me to join up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2014, 01:25:27 pm
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BEYONCE IS NOT A FEMINIST ICON

B E Y O N C E = NOT FEMINIST ICON

beyonce isn't a FUCKING FEMINIST ICON BECAUSE SHE WROTE A SONG ABOUT GRINDING ON JAYZS DICK

STOP
This just in: consensual sex with your husband destroys your status as a feminist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2014, 01:36:34 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2014, 01:25:27 pm
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BEYONCE IS NOT A FEMINIST ICON

B E Y O N C E = NOT FEMINIST ICON

beyonce isn't a FUCKING FEMINIST ICON BECAUSE SHE WROTE A SONG ABOUT GRINDING ON JAYZS DICK

STOP
This just in: consensual sex with your husband wanting to bang someone of the opposite gender destroys your status as a feminist.

Fixed that for ya.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 11, 2014, 01:38:29 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2014, 01:25:27 pm
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BEYONCE IS NOT A FEMINIST ICON

B E Y O N C E = NOT FEMINIST ICON

beyonce isn't a FUCKING FEMINIST ICON BECAUSE SHE WROTE A SONG ABOUT GRINDING ON JAYZS DICK

STOP
This just in: consensual sex with your husband destroys your status as a feminist.

Apparently the penis is a feminists deadliest foe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 11, 2014, 01:47:36 pm
It is a fucking weapon.

These feminists obviously fear that if they should come into contact with a man's deadly sword, they will be slain...left gasping for air after being penetrated, ye poor Radfems, stabbed and remorselessly lain about wanton and suddenly all too out of control...

And that is enough Shakespearean Double Entendre from me.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 11, 2014, 02:39:07 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on April 11, 2014, 01:47:36 pm
It is a fucking weapon.
(http://www.lolmaze.com/pictures/abea47ba24142ed16b7d8fbf2c740e0d.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on April 11, 2014, 04:33:48 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on April 11, 2014, 01:47:36 pm
It is a fucking weapon.

These feminists obviously fear that if they should come into contact with a man's deadly sword, they will be slain...left gasping for air after being penetrated, ye poor Radfems, stabbed and remorselessly lain about wanton and suddenly all too out of control...

And that is enough Shakespearean Double Entendre from me.

(http://media.tumblr.com/cc4a5d9e73e5b9fc3c6e1d0b2eef98e6/tumblr_inline_mp30d51NFl1qz4rgp.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 11, 2014, 08:27:13 pm
Putting this here for environmental themes:

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The human race is a disease, a successful disease at that. Sadly we are evolving, becoming more attuned with how things beyond out atmosphere work, and like any virus, when this host is dead, we will need to move on. Such is the drive to survive. We are running this planet dry, running out of resources, space, and its affecting our survival drive. The need to spread and move and live is overwhelming. Personally, I'm rooting fora plague that wipes out 30% of the human race if not maybe more just so we have enough space to keep living. I mean if we lived through the black plauge in times as ignorant as when it happened, we can live through a major plague now with all the science and stuff. So I'm rooting for either a plague or zombies so we can maybe see an end to such over population. I'm horrible I know but most humans suck anyways. I mean with how much corruption, pain, and absolute terror we are causing for this planet, its only a matter of time before mother nature or God, or whatever it is simply gets tired of us and finds a way to kill us all off before we reach the moon. Just wait~

"None of the above will happen to me, of course~ I'm one of the enlightened ones!"

You know, I absolutely hate how how people think that the more they hate humanity and bitch about how evil we are, the more enlightened and wise they are.  This also goes along with people who proclaim what 'cowards' we are and seek to prove how, in a competition, animals are superior, i.e. "If you take away their guns, a human would never win against a lion!".  Well, yeah, when you purposely nerf an animal as much as possible by taking away all their advantages, they're probably going to lose against something that gets to use all of its own abilities. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 11, 2014, 09:37:59 pm
Not to mention that we humans still have our limbs, which serve as weapons, and our intelligence, which is our evolutionary advantage.

A smart enough human could probably defeat a lion bare-handed if they knew what they were doing.  It would not be easy, but it could be done.

Granted, that would require not panicking.  Panicking is an expected response when faced with an animal whose intent is to make sure you die, and it has the means to accomplish that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 12, 2014, 12:50:26 am
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(http://37.media.tumblr.com/30abd0c82aa217ba81860ed209c4248e/tumblr_n3plr6Nvb01tvgr7eo1_500.png)

This actually makes a lot of sense since skin color seems to be associated more with a culture than an actual pigmentation this literally makes perfect sense to me like saying your nationality

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im so tired of girls being straight

So tired of being in a long-term hetero relationship; even though it’s open, I doubt any other queer girl/enby will wanna do anything with me due to that fact, especially since it would be my first time with someone who wasn’t cismale :(. Could go into a rant about my disillusionment with this relship but ugh.

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Stop calling she/her pronouns “girl pronouns” and stop calling he/him pronouns “boy pronouns” there are nonbinary people who use those pronouns and youre excluding them stop

same with calling them ‘male’ and ‘female’ pronouns

it’s just fucked up terminology that’s completely unnecessary

just…just say your pronoun set

Hear hear! She/her and them/they pronouns are fine for this neutrois cutie, but please refrain from calling me by titles like woman, girl, lady, miss, etc. unless you know me personally and we’ve already spoken on the subject! thank ya thank ya thank ya

For this last one, the first poster says their pronouns are it/they/bun, says their name is omega, and that they're 15.  Second poster has this in their blog description:  "MUSINGS OF A NON-BINARY TRANS POLY QUEER LOTS-OF-EXPERIENCE-FLUID WHITE FAT SPOONIE PERSON WHO IS CONSTANTLY EXPLORING IDENTITIES", which is troubling because that last part makes it sound like these things are just passing fancies.

Basically, this comes off as, "I like these pronouns better than gender neutral ones even though I know full well that they're not, so I'm going to demand that they be made gender neutral so I feel justified in using them".  And that's just assuming they're any of the labels they claim they are.  Also, what the hell is 'bun'?

You what I just realized that's funny?  The sjw community always seems to make a huge deal about male/female labels being 'unnecessary', yet makes up a clusterfuck of different labels and titles to attribute to themselves, which a lot of times mean something completely mundane.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 12, 2014, 01:06:10 am
In relation to the quote from the guy who wants the human race wiped out, one bit spoke to me:

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I'm horrible I know

Well, you've got one thing right.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 12, 2014, 01:09:23 am

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(http://37.media.tumblr.com/30abd0c82aa217ba81860ed209c4248e/tumblr_n3plr6Nvb01tvgr7eo1_500.png)

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kD4gt6Lg--/18tgturepcup9png.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 12, 2014, 02:05:06 am
After just watching Frozen, I'm inclined to think of snowflakes in a magical (as in beautiful) fashion.

I propose that we call them special dung heaps.  After all, no two dung heaps are the same, either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 12, 2014, 08:55:28 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 11, 2014, 09:37:59 pm
Not to mention that we humans still have our limbs, which serve as weapons, and our intelligence, which is our evolutionary advantage.

A smart enough human could probably defeat a lion bare-handed if they knew what they were doing.  It would not be easy, but it could be done.

Granted, that would require not panicking.  Panicking is an expected response when faced with an animal whose intent is to make sure you die, and it has the means to accomplish that.
It's definitely possible. Roman gladiators pulled it off by shoving an arm down the animal's throat and leaving it there until it suffocated. Not pretty for anyone involved, but if it works it works.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 12, 2014, 01:33:21 pm
Quote from: Saving Fish From Drowning on April 12, 2014, 08:55:28 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 11, 2014, 09:37:59 pm
Not to mention that we humans still have our limbs, which serve as weapons, and our intelligence, which is our evolutionary advantage.

A smart enough human could probably defeat a lion bare-handed if they knew what they were doing.  It would not be easy, but it could be done.

Granted, that would require not panicking.  Panicking is an expected response when faced with an animal whose intent is to make sure you die, and it has the means to accomplish that.
It's definitely possible. Roman gladiators pulled it off by shoving an arm down the animal's throat and leaving it there until it suffocated. Not pretty for anyone involved, but if it works it works.
A humans greatest weapon is there ability to adapt.
Don't have claws? Sharpened flint.
Don't have flint? Throw rocks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 12, 2014, 02:54:29 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 12, 2014, 01:33:21 pm
Quote from: Saving Fish From Drowning on April 12, 2014, 08:55:28 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 11, 2014, 09:37:59 pm
Not to mention that we humans still have our limbs, which serve as weapons, and our intelligence, which is our evolutionary advantage.

A smart enough human could probably defeat a lion bare-handed if they knew what they were doing.  It would not be easy, but it could be done.

Granted, that would require not panicking.  Panicking is an expected response when faced with an animal whose intent is to make sure you die, and it has the means to accomplish that.
It's definitely possible. Roman gladiators pulled it off by shoving an arm down the animal's throat and leaving it there until it suffocated. Not pretty for anyone involved, but if it works it works.
A humans greatest weapon is there ability to adapt.
Don't have claws? Sharpened flint.
Don't have flint? Throw rocks.

If all else fails, go for the eyes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 12, 2014, 11:26:23 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 12, 2014, 02:54:29 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 12, 2014, 01:33:21 pm
Quote from: Saving Fish From Drowning on April 12, 2014, 08:55:28 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 11, 2014, 09:37:59 pm
Not to mention that we humans still have our limbs, which serve as weapons, and our intelligence, which is our evolutionary advantage.

A smart enough human could probably defeat a lion bare-handed if they knew what they were doing.  It would not be easy, but it could be done.

Granted, that would require not panicking.  Panicking is an expected response when faced with an animal whose intent is to make sure you die, and it has the means to accomplish that.
It's definitely possible. Roman gladiators pulled it off by shoving an arm down the animal's throat and leaving it there until it suffocated. Not pretty for anyone involved, but if it works it works.
A humans greatest weapon is there ability to adapt.
Don't have claws? Sharpened flint.
Don't have flint? Throw rocks.

If all else fails, go for the eyes.
Random thing, ever notice how often otherkin, PETArds, ect. all talk about how evul humuns are yet ignore the fact animals kill rape and maim each other just as often as humans?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 12, 2014, 11:45:42 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 12, 2014, 11:26:23 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 12, 2014, 02:54:29 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 12, 2014, 01:33:21 pm
Quote from: Saving Fish From Drowning on April 12, 2014, 08:55:28 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 11, 2014, 09:37:59 pm
Not to mention that we humans still have our limbs, which serve as weapons, and our intelligence, which is our evolutionary advantage.

A smart enough human could probably defeat a lion bare-handed if they knew what they were doing.  It would not be easy, but it could be done.

Granted, that would require not panicking.  Panicking is an expected response when faced with an animal whose intent is to make sure you die, and it has the means to accomplish that.
It's definitely possible. Roman gladiators pulled it off by shoving an arm down the animal's throat and leaving it there until it suffocated. Not pretty for anyone involved, but if it works it works.
A humans greatest weapon is there ability to adapt.
Don't have claws? Sharpened flint.
Don't have flint? Throw rocks.

If all else fails, go for the eyes.
Random thing, ever notice how often otherkin, PETArds, ect. all talk about how evul humuns are yet ignore the fact animals kill rape and maim each other just as often as humans?

"But they can't help it, it's in their nature.  Humans choose to do evil!"

It seems the view bounces back and forth between 'helpless creatures who are victims instinct' and 'intelligent beings deserving of rights and the status of people'.  It also doesn't help that 'animal' is often treated as some amalgamation of 'similar creatures who are not human'.  I'd put more stock in the sapience of an elephant than I would a cockroach.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 13, 2014, 12:10:16 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/6ae5cee66d365aaa9e1eb338c6e8db19/tumblr_n2lw94UGeK1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Oh... My... GOD...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 13, 2014, 12:44:45 am
I'm more bothered by the fact anyone would want to call themselves a misandrist and be disappointed they don't meet the qualifications.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 13, 2014, 01:18:14 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on April 13, 2014, 12:44:45 am
I'm more bothered by the fact anyone would want to call themselves a misandrist and be disappointed they don't meet the qualifications.
Unless they were doing so ironically.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 13, 2014, 01:41:20 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on April 13, 2014, 12:44:45 am
I'm more bothered by the fact anyone would want to call themselves a misandrist and be disappointed they don't meet the qualifications.
Yeah, that was my reaction as well.

I have seen people being proud of their misogyny before on the internet so it is not that suprising that there are some people with similar views on the "other side" as well. Still a disappointment on humanity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 13, 2014, 01:46:19 am
Quote from: askold on April 13, 2014, 01:41:20 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on April 13, 2014, 12:44:45 am
I'm more bothered by the fact anyone would want to call themselves a misandrist and be disappointed they don't meet the qualifications.
Yeah, that was my reaction as well.

I have seen people being proud of their misogyny before on the internet so it is not that suprising that there are some people with similar views on the "other side" as well. Still a disappointment on humanity.

This is a culture where being "politically correct" is considered a sign of weakness, pandering, spinelessness, etc.

Therefore, being a bigot is a sign of strength, individuality, being superior to the sheeple, and so forth.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 13, 2014, 12:05:01 pm
You know, I can't help but notice that there's a certain arrogance among Social Justice Warriors, ironically of the same variety that led to 19th Century imperialism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 14, 2014, 02:09:07 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/ad90fefe6e3f53e849e119be2d9d016b/tumblr_n3lvmbAwy81sln4rfo1_500.png)

History comes from the Greek word historia which meant knowledge
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 14, 2014, 02:29:35 am
Wasn't their a cartoon that had a joke about something like this?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 14, 2014, 02:30:39 am
And "woman" (since it's also altered to "womxn") evolved from the term "wyfman", which stems from the days when "man" was the generic term for any person, regardless of gender. For males, the word was "wereman".

Really, if so they're hellbent on getting pissy over language, wouldn't it make a bit more sense to whinge about the implications of altering the word for "person" to refer to only males?

It's also kind of funny how SJWs will trace a term back to its centuries-old, long forgotten origin to prove that it's offensive, yet can't be arsed to look up the etymologies for words like "woman" and "history".

The word "the" is offensive for erasing þorn-kin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: IanC on April 14, 2014, 09:30:48 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 14, 2014, 02:29:35 am
Wasn't their a cartoon that had a joke about something like this?

Hell i remember reading a kids book when i was 10 which had a joke about this. A group of girls had wrote "Herstory" on the door of the history classroom, and told the teacher not to get so "Hersterical" about it.

Funny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 15, 2014, 08:14:36 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/RfS4iVU.png)

That, or you're an over-reacting idiot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 15, 2014, 11:47:52 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 15, 2014, 08:14:36 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/RfS4iVU.png)

That, or you're an over-reacting idiot.
Wow, way 2 use ablilost slurs u literal ablist trash!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 16, 2014, 12:03:33 am
I want to eat turkey, steak, chicken and pork in front of this person, just to see what their reaction would be.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 16, 2014, 06:47:21 am
Quote from: niam2023 on April 16, 2014, 12:03:33 am
I want to eat turkey, steak, chicken and pork in front of this person, just to see what their reaction would be.

Just go A Clockwork Orange on their arse; strap them to a chair, force open their eyes...and let them watch every episode of Epic Meal Time ever, even the dessert ones.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Barbarella on April 16, 2014, 10:35:54 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 16, 2014, 06:47:21 am
Quote from: niam2023 on April 16, 2014, 12:03:33 am
I want to eat turkey, steak, chicken and pork in front of this person, just to see what their reaction would be.

Just go A Clockwork Orange on their arse; strap them to a chair, force open their eyes...and let them watch every episode of Epic Meal Time ever, even the dessert ones.

Perhaps 24 hours of The Food Network.

But won't that be counterproductive? Wasn't the Ludovico Treatment about aversion?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 16, 2014, 05:27:24 pm
Quote from: SpukiKitty on April 16, 2014, 10:35:54 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 16, 2014, 06:47:21 am
Quote from: niam2023 on April 16, 2014, 12:03:33 am
I want to eat turkey, steak, chicken and pork in front of this person, just to see what their reaction would be.

Just go A Clockwork Orange on their arse; strap them to a chair, force open their eyes...and let them watch every episode of Epic Meal Time ever, even the dessert ones.

Perhaps 24 hours of The Food Network.

But won't that be counterproductive? Wasn't the Ludovico Treatment about aversion?

Perhaps, but the point isn't to be productive, its just to have fun at their expense.  After it stops being fun, I stop watching and only come back after their minds have been shattered beyond all repair.  Madness is freedom.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 16, 2014, 05:52:07 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 16, 2014, 05:27:24 pm
Quote from: SpukiKitty on April 16, 2014, 10:35:54 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 16, 2014, 06:47:21 am
Quote from: niam2023 on April 16, 2014, 12:03:33 am
I want to eat turkey, steak, chicken and pork in front of this person, just to see what their reaction would be.

Just go A Clockwork Orange on their arse; strap them to a chair, force open their eyes...and let them watch every episode of Epic Meal Time ever, even the dessert ones.

Perhaps 24 hours of The Food Network.

But won't that be counterproductive? Wasn't the Ludovico Treatment about aversion?

Perhaps, but the point isn't to be productive, its just to have fun at their expense.  After it stops being fun, I stop watching and only come back after their minds have been shattered beyond all repair.  Madness is freedom.
QFT. See the ending of "Brazil" to bear this out! 8)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on April 16, 2014, 10:14:17 pm
Quote
Two months ago, I lashed out at the use of "retard(ed)" as an extremely offensive slur that's tossed around too much, especially on this site. There's another word I see around the Internet that gets on my nerves, and no one seems to get how bad that word can be.

 

The word "butthurt."

 

I've heard this word so much over the past several years, and I always find myself very uncomfortable whenever this word is used.

1. It's used with no other method than to act smug or demean someone. It's derogatory and is used with no other means other than to dismiss criticism or to mock/insult someone to the core as overly sensitive.

2.  The main reason I loathe it: "Butthurt" comes across as extremely homophobic and making fun of rape victims. Back when I first saw this word, I thought it meant the user was mocking him or her for being sodomized, and I immediately grew an extremely gigantic hatred for that word, something I still hold despite knowing what it means now. I researched to see if others felt this same impression, and I noticed quite a few who thought so. Because of these vibes, I've always found myself to be extremely discomforting (and sometimes very insulted) whenever the term is used (and have lately tended to scold people who use it and suggust synonyms instead [like upset, angry, unhappy]).

"butthurt" is derogatory and offensive, and using it doesn't make you look cool. It makes you look smug, disrespectful, and stupid, and you're inviting major criticisms of your integrity, intellect, and sensitivity. Don't use it.

So you're getting butthurt over the word butthurt. lol.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 16, 2014, 10:21:11 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 16, 2014, 10:14:17 pm
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-butthurt-

So you're getting butthurt over the word butthurt. lol.
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/thumb/541153381.jpg?1332105362)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on April 16, 2014, 10:23:36 pm
Hahaha, thanks for that.

I always thought it implied hemorrhoids, not rape. Plus, it just means mad over something trivial. You can't compare it to "gay" or even "retarded."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 16, 2014, 10:27:27 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 16, 2014, 10:23:36 pm
Hahaha, thanks for that.

I always thought it implied hemorrhoids, not rape. Plus, it just means mad over something trivial. You can't compare it to "gay" or even "retarded."
I always thought it was a reference to how mad a little kid gets after s/he's been spanked.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on April 16, 2014, 10:34:42 pm
Quote from: Saving Fish From Drowning on April 16, 2014, 10:27:27 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 16, 2014, 10:23:36 pm
Hahaha, thanks for that.

I always thought it implied hemorrhoids, not rape. Plus, it just means mad over something trivial. You can't compare it to "gay" or even "retarded."
I always thought it was a reference to how mad a little kid gets after s/he's been spanked.
Hm, that's also a distinct possibility.

How come nobody complained when people referred to Twilicorn as "they raped her?" I was very offended over that, because that actually is pretty fucking offensive to rape and abuse victims. Yet "butthurt" is what causes people to rage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on April 16, 2014, 10:40:36 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 16, 2014, 10:34:42 pm
Quote from: Saving Fish From Drowning on April 16, 2014, 10:27:27 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 16, 2014, 10:23:36 pm
Hahaha, thanks for that.

I always thought it implied hemorrhoids, not rape. Plus, it just means mad over something trivial. You can't compare it to "gay" or even "retarded."
I always thought it was a reference to how mad a little kid gets after s/he's been spanked.
Hm, that's also a distinct possibility.

How come nobody complained when people referred to Twilicorn as "they raped her?" I was very offended over that, because that actually is pretty fucking offensive to rape and abuse victims. Yet "butthurt" is what causes people to rage.

Because 'butthurt' is, as best pony would put it, "Saddlesore"... to literally be... well, having a sore ass.  So, yeah, pones are stupid sometimes.  We did our fair share of smacking them down around the internet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 16, 2014, 11:39:31 pm
I'm apparently one of the few people who experiences a literal "butthurt".  As in, some muscle in my ass tenses and hurts whenever I see something like an open wound or something that looks like it would hurt worse than hell.

Even if they DON'T actually hurt like hell.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 16, 2014, 11:50:34 pm
I saw a post on Tumblr that claimed that Tumblr is a safe space for nerds and "the disadvantaged", and that sports and football "are not welcome" and "either get into a fandom or get out."

Irony - because grouping together and telling someone their interest is not wanted here is totally not reminiscent of the 80's Teen Movie Student Athlete Antagonist at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 17, 2014, 12:07:21 am
Quote
Please don't tell me to "eat shit and die". That erases scat fetishists.

What.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 17, 2014, 12:12:22 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 16, 2014, 11:39:31 pm
I'm apparently one of the few people who experiences a literal "butthurt".  As in, some muscle in my ass tenses and hurts whenever I see something like an open wound or something that looks like it would hurt worse than hell.

Even if they DON'T actually hurt like hell.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

True story: I've been trying to come up with a suitable "butthurt" pun for the various butt exercises I've been doing lately.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 17, 2014, 12:13:39 am
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 16, 2014, 10:34:42 pm
Quote from: Saving Fish From Drowning on April 16, 2014, 10:27:27 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 16, 2014, 10:23:36 pm
Hahaha, thanks for that.

I always thought it implied hemorrhoids, not rape. Plus, it just means mad over something trivial. You can't compare it to "gay" or even "retarded."
I always thought it was a reference to how mad a little kid gets after s/he's been spanked.
Hm, that's also a distinct possibility.

How come nobody complained when people referred to Twilicorn as "they raped her?" I was very offended over that, because that actually is pretty fucking offensive to rape and abuse victims. Yet "butthurt" is what causes people to rage.
Cus the pony fandom is full of dudebros.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on April 17, 2014, 05:09:28 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 17, 2014, 12:12:22 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 16, 2014, 11:39:31 pm
I'm apparently one of the few people who experiences a literal "butthurt".  As in, some muscle in my ass tenses and hurts whenever I see something like an open wound or something that looks like it would hurt worse than hell.

Even if they DON'T actually hurt like hell.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

True story: I've been trying to come up with a suitable "butthurt" pun for the various butt exercises I've been doing lately.

You've been working out so much that you're 'exer-sore'?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 17, 2014, 10:57:33 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 17, 2014, 12:07:21 am
Quote
Please don't tell me to "eat shit and die". That erases scat fetishists.

What.

Art? r u trolln tumblr agin?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Barbarella on April 17, 2014, 04:08:45 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 16, 2014, 10:23:36 pm
Hahaha, thanks for that.

I always thought it implied hemorrhoids, not rape. Plus, it just means mad over something trivial. You can't compare it to "gay" or even "retarded."

I was thinking "hemorrhoids", too. That & "gay/retard" are like apples & oranges.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 17, 2014, 04:28:40 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 16, 2014, 11:39:31 pm
I'm apparently one of the few people who experiences a literal "butthurt".  As in, some muscle in my ass tenses and hurts whenever I see something like an open wound or something that looks like it would hurt worse than hell.

Even if they DON'T actually hurt like hell.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Sounds like you have some kind of mild, reactive colitis - ouch! I used to suffer from the chronic stressed induced type of colitis. So painful it will drop you to your knees.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 17, 2014, 05:17:03 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on April 17, 2014, 04:28:40 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 16, 2014, 11:39:31 pm
I'm apparently one of the few people who experiences a literal "butthurt".  As in, some muscle in my ass tenses and hurts whenever I see something like an open wound or something that looks like it would hurt worse than hell.

Even if they DON'T actually hurt like hell.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Sounds like you have some kind of mild, reactive colitis - ouch! I used to suffer from the chronic stressed induced type of colitis. So painful it will drop you to your knees.

...Except it's not colitis.  It's not even in my colon.

It's in my buttocks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on April 17, 2014, 07:07:39 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 17, 2014, 05:17:03 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on April 17, 2014, 04:28:40 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 16, 2014, 11:39:31 pm
I'm apparently one of the few people who experiences a literal "butthurt".  As in, some muscle in my ass tenses and hurts whenever I see something like an open wound or something that looks like it would hurt worse than hell.

Even if they DON'T actually hurt like hell.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Sounds like you have some kind of mild, reactive colitis - ouch! I used to suffer from the chronic stressed induced type of colitis. So painful it will drop you to your knees.

...Except it's not colitis.  It's not even in my colon.

It's in my buttocks.

Ass cramps.  :o
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 17, 2014, 08:17:20 pm
You've never had ass cramps?  I get 'em when I sneeze, sometimes...alongside tongue cramps and cramps in my perineum.  Yeah, sneezing can give me tantamount to dick cramps, and that shit's not fun, lemme tell ya.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 17, 2014, 08:54:26 pm
I think "cramp" might be putting it too strongly XD

But I guess it's something along those lines.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on April 18, 2014, 04:40:43 am
I get an erection when i sneeze
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 18, 2014, 05:23:54 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on April 18, 2014, 04:40:43 am
I get an erection when i sneeze

I should tell Jai to stock up on allergens then :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 18, 2014, 06:01:31 pm
Nooooooo! Don't spoil his fun!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 18, 2014, 08:31:12 pm
(click to show/hide)

I believe you're looking for sorority and not that word you just made up.


Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 18, 2014, 08:57:51 pm
real womyn*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 18, 2014, 09:02:57 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on April 18, 2014, 06:01:31 pm
Nooooooo! Don't spoil his fun!

Don't spoil his fun by giving him the means to have fun? :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 18, 2014, 10:52:01 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 18, 2014, 09:02:57 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on April 18, 2014, 06:01:31 pm
Nooooooo! Don't spoil his fun!

Don't spoil his fun by giving him the means to have fun? :P
Damn. Misread allergens as allergy meds. I should know better than to skim read threads.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 19, 2014, 01:57:31 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/gJDIujq.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 19, 2014, 02:07:43 pm
W-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-WHAT!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on April 19, 2014, 02:14:20 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 19, 2014, 01:57:31 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/gJDIujq.jpg)

I miss Kefka and his I-hate-cishets thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on April 19, 2014, 02:20:31 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 19, 2014, 02:07:43 pm
W-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-WHAT!?

*/Shiela Broflofski*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 19, 2014, 02:28:38 pm
Maybe booni-for-equality thinks that cis is an acronym for "Christian Inspired Straight" or some such numbskullery? Or, is just another troll....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 19, 2014, 03:13:09 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 19, 2014, 01:57:31 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/gJDIujq.jpg)

"for equality"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on April 19, 2014, 03:23:02 pm
My best friend is a trans woman and I'm an atheist. Booni's argument is invalid. That or they're a fail troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on April 19, 2014, 03:29:47 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 19, 2014, 03:23:02 pm
My best friend is a trans woman and I'm an atheist. Booni's argument is invalid. That or they're a fail troll.

No, you're either not cis or lying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on April 19, 2014, 03:50:55 pm
Quote from: dpareja on April 19, 2014, 03:29:47 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on April 19, 2014, 03:23:02 pm
My best friend is a trans woman and I'm an atheist. Booni's argument is invalid. That or they're a fail troll.

No, you're either not cis or lying.
aeiou (http://)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 19, 2014, 04:33:27 pm
Either booni-for-equality is a troll or they've forgotten their are other countries outside of America.

(http://i.imgur.com/V0NNhK4.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on April 19, 2014, 05:53:47 pm
Umm, the fuck did I just read?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 19, 2014, 08:04:09 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 19, 2014, 04:33:27 pm
Either booni-for-equality is a troll or they've forgotten their are other countries outside of America.

(http://i.imgur.com/V0NNhK4.jpg)

It seems to be a widespread thing among sjws that rudeness and verbal abuse are things you're obligated to take without comment if it's coming from the 'less privileged'.

Also, this comment from Reddit (pretty much the only one in the thread I liked):

Quote
Quote
Become completely divorced from the concept of systematic oppression.

Uhhh... isn't that the idea? No-one should WANT to be treated like shit by other people! It's an unfortunate failing of humanity, not a god damn identity you should be proud of :(

US society seems to have this weird obsession with suffering; the more you suffer or the harder you have it, the better you are as a person, the more righteous you are as a person, and the more morally superior you are as a person.  Suffering and hardship are things to be admired, rather than things you're supposed to overcome and move on from.  If you haven't suffered, you're character is questioned, and if you don't think you should suffer, it's some kind of moral failing on your part.

I'm reminded of an article I read several years ago about an English teacher who became concerned when her students started talking about how guilty and inadequate they felt for not having experienced hardship like the authors of the nonfiction books they were reading.  It's like it's getting to the point where you should want true hardship to occur in your life, rather than thanking your lucky stars that you've had it pretty good.  It's romanticized into something that happens to great, inspirational people, and that you can't be great or inspirational unless you've experienced it too.  It's the same thing that causes people to think that living in a country where you have to work three jobs just to get by is something to be admired, and that trying to change it so you don't have to have it so hard means you're just a lazy, entitled leech.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 19, 2014, 11:53:37 pm
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/3c6668a49ef729e03d6b377936de7fe9/tumblr_inline_n40dnyTtyh1ssjsn4.png)

One snowflake to rule them all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 20, 2014, 01:17:04 am
"I'm furry trash and I need you to draw my fursona as much as possible."

Seems like obvious satire to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on April 20, 2014, 07:39:26 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 19, 2014, 01:57:31 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/gJDIujq.jpg)

0/10.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 20, 2014, 08:41:17 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 19, 2014, 08:04:09 pm
US society seems to have this weird obsession with suffering; the more you suffer or the harder you have it, the better you are as a person, the more righteous you are as a person, and the more morally superior you are as a person.

We've got Christianity to thank for that.  Seriously, that shit glorifies suffering to an almost sexual degree.  Just look at that arsehole, Mother Theresa and her Home for the Dying in Calcutta.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rageaholic on April 20, 2014, 11:21:14 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 20, 2014, 08:41:17 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 19, 2014, 08:04:09 pm
US society seems to have this weird obsession with suffering; the more you suffer or the harder you have it, the better you are as a person, the more righteous you are as a person, and the more morally superior you are as a person.

We've got Christianity to thank for that.  Seriously, that shit glorifies suffering to an almost sexual degree.  Just look at that arsehole, Mother Theresa and her Home for the Dying in Calcutta.

About to say the same thing.  Yet another reason I'm glad I left. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 20, 2014, 02:47:49 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 20, 2014, 01:17:04 am
"I'm furry trash and I need you to draw my fursona as much as possible."

Seems like obvious satire to me.

One can only hope.
Here's another from the same blog:

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/a70ee167f0bbd4631835b0f54b9f7a24/tumblr_inline_n417wyBtgD1ssjsn4.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on April 20, 2014, 03:03:43 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 20, 2014, 02:47:49 pm
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/a70ee167f0bbd4631835b0f54b9f7a24/tumblr_inline_n417wyBtgD1ssjsn4.png)

...bitch.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 20, 2014, 04:30:24 pm
Blatant satire at this point :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 20, 2014, 06:37:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F41qYEF62jg

Apparently this is the third time a feminist group in a canadian university has interrupted a "mens issues" lecture by yelling and blowing air horns, then eventually pulling the fire alarm when they weren't allowed back in.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 20, 2014, 06:47:49 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 20, 2014, 06:37:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F41qYEF62jg

Apparently this is the third time a feminist group in a canadian university has interrupted a "mens issues" lecture by yelling and blowing air horns, then eventually pulling the fire alarm when they weren't allowed back in.
Mature.
Great, the MRA's are gonna start talking about this now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 20, 2014, 07:24:08 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 20, 2014, 06:47:49 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 20, 2014, 06:37:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F41qYEF62jg

Apparently this is the third time a feminist group in a canadian university has interrupted a "mens issues" lecture by yelling and blowing air horns, then eventually pulling the fire alarm when they weren't allowed back in.
Mature.
Great, the MRA's are gonna start talking about this now.

LMAO...yeah?
http://www.avoiceformen.com/education/janice-fiamengo-complete-presentation/ (http://www.avoiceformen.com/education/janice-fiamengo-complete-presentation/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7vT2mmHMp0

link to page with sidebar of videos;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7vT2mmHMp0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7vT2mmHMp0)

I've no idea what she's all about, but even if she's an idiot, it was damned bad form to drown out a lecture like that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 20, 2014, 07:42:37 pm
Yeah, if they're wrong, you'll never prove it by silencing them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 20, 2014, 07:54:39 pm
Quote
I am an American-to-Canadian transnational. I was born in the United States, but I'm a Canuck at heart.

Then why don't you move there?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 20, 2014, 07:56:42 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 20, 2014, 07:54:39 pm
Quote
I am an American-to-Canadian transnational. I was born in the United States, but I'm a Canuck at heart.

Then why don't you move there?

Because clearly, (s)he's a pre-op Canadian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 20, 2014, 08:56:53 pm
Ahh yes the lovely gender of being a transnational.

Ironbite-......wait what?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 20, 2014, 09:41:40 pm
Come to think of it, that's probably why leftists and social justice warriors in particular have such a hard-on for illegal immigrants. They're totally just pre-op Americans (or whichever 1st world nation is applicable).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 20, 2014, 10:01:16 pm
Well, there is such a thing as immigrant patriotism.  There's a fifty-something man in my neighborhood who's originally from Romania.  He hates communism more than anyone else I've ever met.  He's also one of the most red-blooded Americans you'll ever meet.

For further evidence, look at Cuban-Americans.

This "trans-national" thing is just stupid, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 21, 2014, 09:59:31 pm
Quote
Stop with that stupid "Remove Kebab" copypasta! Don't American Muslims have enough problems without racist memes?
Jesus H. Christ, you're dumb.  That meme parodies those kinds of attitudes.  And since when is "Muslim" a race?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 22, 2014, 09:45:59 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 21, 2014, 09:59:31 pm
Quote
Stop with that stupid "Remove Kebab" copypasta! Don't American Muslims have enough problems without racist memes?
Jesus H. Christ, you're dumb.  That meme parodies those kinds of attitudes.  And since when is "Muslim" a race?

Probably around the time Christianity became a "relationship."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 22, 2014, 02:08:44 pm
I'm guessing it's also because most islamophobes tend to react to the highly visible race rather than the nearly invisible religion.

Like when Middle-Eastern Christians and other non-Muslim religions are attacked on sight for being Muslims.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 22, 2014, 08:39:41 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Y4dobiq.png)

Being smart/obnoxious =/= being racist
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on April 24, 2014, 08:18:37 pm
Theres a thing on tumblr claiming that a neo nazi literally cannot be right on anything regarding race relations.

Literally everything, even about how tumblr jumps on anyone white
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 24, 2014, 10:03:15 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on April 24, 2014, 08:18:37 pm
Theres a thing on tumblr claiming that a neo nazi literally cannot be right on anything regarding race relations.

Literally everything, even about how tumblr jumps on anyone white
I wouldn't trust a neo-nazi on matters of race relations either, but you know what they say about stopped clocks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 25, 2014, 06:09:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/8QHQzfx.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: fancy_kitten on April 25, 2014, 06:45:26 am
Aside from the vague threats of refusing to help people because of their identity, it's really less 'bad' and just really weird.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 25, 2014, 06:46:37 am
Get back to me when you folks have Trans Queer Wyches.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 25, 2014, 07:48:37 am
"Hexing" folks.  Uh huh.  Whatever makes you feel good, dude.  At least you aren't actually doing something that actually might have a harmful effect on someone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 25, 2014, 07:49:21 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 25, 2014, 06:09:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/8QHQzfx.png)
I think it's a joke, but it's still... Odd.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: IanC on April 25, 2014, 08:41:03 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on April 24, 2014, 08:18:37 pm
Theres a thing on tumblr claiming that a neo nazi literally cannot be right on anything regarding race relations.

Literally everything, even about how tumblr jumps on anyone white
I managed to last half hour on tumblr before i bumped into a posy jumping on someone for being white. Amazing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on April 25, 2014, 03:23:02 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 25, 2014, 06:09:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/8QHQzfx.png)

This is just the worst 1980s Saturday morning kids' TV show theme I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 25, 2014, 05:49:08 pm
Quote from: Sixth Monarchist on April 25, 2014, 03:23:02 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 25, 2014, 06:09:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/8QHQzfx.png)

This is just the worst 1980s Saturday morning kids' TV show theme I've ever heard.
*best
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 25, 2014, 10:34:32 pm
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/393be90f3618a1df4adc24b471105aaf/tumblr_n4lzhlloTY1sln4rfo2_500.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/340af6a23dc7c36de4c929baf557dff9/tumblr_n4lzhlloTY1sln4rfo1_500.png)

(http://static.tumblr.com/2orfj08/aAomde9ke/doctor_and_rose_laughing.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 25, 2014, 11:01:30 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on April 25, 2014, 11:00:52 pm
Oh look, the assturd went on:

Quote
Quote
'get a sugar daddy' is not a viable option for paying for school. not everyone has the means to pay for college and trips overseas and diamond necklaces, you classist piece of shit

I work my ass off, rarely go out or buy new clothes and drive an ancient car so I can afford to travel. Me and three other people bought the mangalsutra and we each set aside money for months to afford it. And I suggested other options, such as working, scholarships, community college and financial aid. Eat my ass. Also, eat my ass again.

Oh, look, it's the "Why don't you just work harder!?" argument... from "leftists."
The "horseshoe theory" in action.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 25, 2014, 11:02:06 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 25, 2014, 10:34:32 pm
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/340af6a23dc7c36de4c929baf557dff9/tumblr_n4lzhlloTY1sln4rfo1_500.png)

Somehow, I don't think their reading comprehension is very high.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 25, 2014, 11:03:13 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on April 25, 2014, 11:02:06 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 25, 2014, 10:34:32 pm
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/340af6a23dc7c36de4c929baf557dff9/tumblr_n4lzhlloTY1sln4rfo1_500.png)

Somehow, I don't think their reading comprehension is very high.
Check your literate privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 25, 2014, 11:16:53 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 25, 2014, 10:34:32 pm
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/393be90f3618a1df4adc24b471105aaf/tumblr_n4lzhlloTY1sln4rfo2_500.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/340af6a23dc7c36de4c929baf557dff9/tumblr_n4lzhlloTY1sln4rfo1_500.png)

(http://static.tumblr.com/2orfj08/aAomde9ke/doctor_and_rose_laughing.gif)

Beautifully hand drawn Dalek, there, Elle. I bet it was delightful to refund the bitch's GYM membership fees. Did the door hit her ass on the way out?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 26, 2014, 12:03:15 am
I'd say in all likelihood it did.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 26, 2014, 01:26:38 am
If it didn't, then it needs to.

*unhinges his door* Time for a spanking!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 26, 2014, 01:52:34 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on April 25, 2014, 10:47:45 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 25, 2014, 07:49:21 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 25, 2014, 06:09:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/8QHQzfx.png)
I think it's a joke, but it's still... Odd.

I have seen the exact same post in context. It is is a Harry Potter headcanon. You know, because the original books had such excellent LGBT representation.
What's wrong with trans headcannons?
Not that this isn't wtf, just wondering.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 26, 2014, 02:04:59 am
Quote from: mellenORL on April 25, 2014, 11:16:53 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 25, 2014, 10:34:32 pm
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/393be90f3618a1df4adc24b471105aaf/tumblr_n4lzhlloTY1sln4rfo2_500.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/340af6a23dc7c36de4c929baf557dff9/tumblr_n4lzhlloTY1sln4rfo1_500.png)

(http://static.tumblr.com/2orfj08/aAomde9ke/doctor_and_rose_laughing.gif)

Beautifully hand drawn Dalek, there, Elle. I bet it was delightful to refund the bitch's GYM membership fees. Did the door hit her ass on the way out?
If it makes her feel better-
YOU ARE AN IN-FER-I-OR LIFE FORM! PRE-PARE FOR YOUR EX-TER-MI-NA-TI-ON UN-DER THE MIGHT OF THE DAL-EK RACE!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 26, 2014, 02:20:08 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 25, 2014, 07:49:21 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 25, 2014, 06:09:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/8QHQzfx.png)
I think it's a joke, but it's still... Odd.

Although it's already pointed out that it's out of context, is it that hard to believe someone would say that seriously? We've had people on this very forum say they're going to hex and curse people.

Quote from: I am lizard on April 25, 2014, 05:49:08 pm
Quote from: Sixth Monarchist on April 25, 2014, 03:23:02 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 25, 2014, 06:09:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/8QHQzfx.png)

This is just the worst 1980s Saturday morning kids' TV show theme I've ever heard.
*best

Street Sharks and Three Bionic Stooges? Those are just two worst/best I can come up with offhand.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 26, 2014, 04:00:05 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 26, 2014, 01:52:34 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on April 25, 2014, 10:47:45 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 25, 2014, 07:49:21 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 25, 2014, 06:09:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/8QHQzfx.png)
I think it's a joke, but it's still... Odd.

I have seen the exact same post in context. It is is a Harry Potter headcanon. You know, because the original books had such excellent LGBT representation.
What's wrong with trans headcannons?
Not that this isn't wtf, just wondering.

Not really a Harry Potter fan, but some of those would actually make for interesting reading.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on April 26, 2014, 01:35:58 pm
Jesus, this is still going? (http://actingdelusionaleigh.tumblr.com/post/83677850861/2damnfeisty-ambelle-gabbyroars#notes)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on April 26, 2014, 02:02:31 pm
Quote from: Kanesyth on April 26, 2014, 01:35:58 pm
Jesus, this is still going? (http://actingdelusionaleigh.tumblr.com/post/83677850861/2damnfeisty-ambelle-gabbyroars#notes)

The OP admitted that it was a lie. Here's the response they made:

Quote
I’m a victim too and you all are being ableist

I have come to the realization that I have delusion disorder. This causes me to believe these stories I have in my head, these stories of fear and trauma. To think they’re real. Essentially, I believe my own lies. It’s a terrifying thing to live with.

Perhaps the story of Georgian rape was a result of my delusion disorder. I posted it because I wanted people to realize and be warned about what boys and grown men can do to further the patriarchy and rape culture of the next generations. Boys are bred to violent and rapists in the backward south and people need to know about it. I feel terrible if my delusion disorder caused me to lie about it. I took down the post yesterday.

About the 8 year old boy everyone is calling me a pedophile over. No, just no. I was saying that young boys are different than young girls and that in this situation both parties were underage which complicates it. I wasn’t saying he deserved it. Just merely what I said in the sentence above. I’m an anti-rape warrior, I am not okay with rape. But what I said should be a lesson to everyone of what a female rape victim, of any age, is forced to endure. Don’t you dare tell me that all would be outraged if it was a young girl because young girls are constantly forced to think rape is their fault. Because of what they wore, say, act.

So there is my apology. Please stop being ableist to me. Please understand that I’m paying and repenting for what I’ve done.

"Delusion disorder."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 26, 2014, 02:27:39 pm
Quote from: Kanesyth on April 26, 2014, 01:35:58 pm
Jesus, this is still going? (http://actingdelusionaleigh.tumblr.com/post/83677850861/2damnfeisty-ambelle-gabbyroars#notes)
...The next person to use the phrase "boys will be boys" to refer any incident like that is going to get his/her nose punched into their brain.
EDIT: Even if that case was fake I stand by my point about rape apogolists treating sexual assault as a childs play.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 26, 2014, 02:44:00 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on April 26, 2014, 02:02:31 pm
Quote from: Kanesyth on April 26, 2014, 01:35:58 pm
Jesus, this is still going? (http://actingdelusionaleigh.tumblr.com/post/83677850861/2damnfeisty-ambelle-gabbyroars#notes)

The OP admitted that it was a lie. Here's the response they made:

Quote
I’m a victim too and you all are being ableist

I have come to the realization that I have delusion disorder. This causes me to believe these stories I have in my head, these stories of fear and trauma. To think they’re real. Essentially, I believe my own lies. It’s a terrifying thing to live with.

Perhaps the story of Georgian rape was a result of my delusion disorder. I posted it because I wanted people to realize and be warned about what boys and grown men can do to further the patriarchy and rape culture of the next generations. Boys are bred to violent and rapists in the backward south and people need to know about it. I feel terrible if my delusion disorder caused me to lie about it. I took down the post yesterday.

About the 8 year old boy everyone is calling me a pedophile over. No, just no. I was saying that young boys are different than young girls and that in this situation both parties were underage which complicates it. I wasn’t saying he deserved it. Just merely what I said in the sentence above. I’m an anti-rape warrior, I am not okay with rape. But what I said should be a lesson to everyone of what a female rape victim, of any age, is forced to endure. Don’t you dare tell me that all would be outraged if it was a young girl because young girls are constantly forced to think rape is their fault. Because of what they wore, say, act.

So there is my apology. Please stop being ableist to me. Please understand that I’m paying and repenting for what I’ve done.

"Delusion disorder."

Delusion disorder; n., slang, euphemistic downplay spin. Meaning, "pathetic lying attention whoring blog troll just got owned".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 26, 2014, 03:03:00 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on April 26, 2014, 02:44:00 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on April 26, 2014, 02:02:31 pm
Quote from: Kanesyth on April 26, 2014, 01:35:58 pm
Jesus, this is still going? (http://actingdelusionaleigh.tumblr.com/post/83677850861/2damnfeisty-ambelle-gabbyroars#notes)

The OP admitted that it was a lie. Here's the response they made:

Quote
I’m a victim too and you all are being ableist

I have come to the realization that I have delusion disorder. This causes me to believe these stories I have in my head, these stories of fear and trauma. To think they’re real. Essentially, I believe my own lies. It’s a terrifying thing to live with.

Perhaps the story of Georgian rape was a result of my delusion disorder. I posted it because I wanted people to realize and be warned about what boys and grown men can do to further the patriarchy and rape culture of the next generations. Boys are bred to violent and rapists in the backward south and people need to know about it. I feel terrible if my delusion disorder caused me to lie about it. I took down the post yesterday.

About the 8 year old boy everyone is calling me a pedophile over. No, just no. I was saying that young boys are different than young girls and that in this situation both parties were underage which complicates it. I wasn’t saying he deserved it. Just merely what I said in the sentence above. I’m an anti-rape warrior, I am not okay with rape. But what I said should be a lesson to everyone of what a female rape victim, of any age, is forced to endure. Don’t you dare tell me that all would be outraged if it was a young girl because young girls are constantly forced to think rape is their fault. Because of what they wore, say, act.

So there is my apology. Please stop being ableist to me. Please understand that I’m paying and repenting for what I’ve done.

"Delusion disorder."

Delusion disorder; n., slang, euphemistic downplay spin. Meaning, "pathetic lying attention whoring blog troll just got owned".

I'm tempted to say she's trolling.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 26, 2014, 03:06:54 pm
What's "'strollin'"? Stumbled-into-trolling, as in accidently self trolled?  :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 26, 2014, 03:32:37 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on April 26, 2014, 02:02:31 pm
Quote from: Kanesyth on April 26, 2014, 01:35:58 pm
Jesus, this is still going? (http://actingdelusionaleigh.tumblr.com/post/83677850861/2damnfeisty-ambelle-gabbyroars#notes)

The OP admitted that it was a lie. Here's the response they made:

Quote
I’m a victim too and you all are being ableist

I have come to the realization that I have delusion disorder. This causes me to believe these stories I have in my head, these stories of fear and trauma. To think they’re real. Essentially, I believe my own lies. It’s a terrifying thing to live with.

Perhaps the story of Georgian rape was a result of my delusion disorder. I posted it because I wanted people to realize and be warned about what boys and grown men can do to further the patriarchy and rape culture of the next generations. Boys are bred to violent and rapists in the backward south and people need to know about it. I feel terrible if my delusion disorder caused me to lie about it. I took down the post yesterday.

About the 8 year old boy everyone is calling me a pedophile over. No, just no. I was saying that young boys are different than young girls and that in this situation both parties were underage which complicates it. I wasn’t saying he deserved it. Just merely what I said in the sentence above. I’m an anti-rape warrior, I am not okay with rape. But what I said should be a lesson to everyone of what a female rape victim, of any age, is forced to endure. Don’t you dare tell me that all would be outraged if it was a young girl because young girls are constantly forced to think rape is their fault. Because of what they wore, say, act.

So there is my apology. Please stop being ableist to me. Please understand that I’m paying and repenting for what I’ve done.

"Delusion disorder."

As everyone knows, the best way to respond to a lie being discovered is to spin an even more complicated lie, paint yourself as a victim and frame scepticism as a moral failure. That'll get them to take you seriously.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 26, 2014, 04:55:03 pm
From the same person:

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I literally do not care about your gender, sexuality or skin colour.
I literally only care about whether you’re a nice fucking human being or not.

so basically you’re racist, sexist and homophobic

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how exactly could you have come remotely close to that conclusion

because  batched is essentially a colorblinder. Rather ignore issues and oppression than acknowledge them.

It's one thing to point out the problems associated with 'colorblindness'; it's another thing entirely to call someone racist, sexist, and homophobic for putting more emphasis on personality than physical traits.

Edit:  Oh my god, she's still defending that lady rapist, and this time she has a friend!

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This again. Yes it says having sex= consent. She was only in trouble because he was underage. Boys can consent to sex at his age. That is why it is written “having sex” not rape. Rape is forced.

People refuse to acknowledge that statutory rape is not a two way street. It is something that applies to women, like menstruating or breast feeding. If we look at our species as animals (which we are…which is why we shouldn’t eat our fellow cousins) then we look at the natural behavior of men at any age and realize that they naturally want sex. Women are different, they crave sex at a later age. This is why “statutory” rape is a feminine term, not a masculine one. 

He was 8 at the time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 26, 2014, 06:33:49 pm
I'm officially giving even odds on troll.


Which reminds me, I need to look up if it would be legal to set up a website where you can bet on whether various internet posters are trolls or poes or legit
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 26, 2014, 09:28:49 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 26, 2014, 04:55:03 pm

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This again. Yes it says having sex= consent. She was only in trouble because he was underage. Boys can consent to sex at his age. That is why it is written “having sex” not rape. Rape is forced.

People refuse to acknowledge that statutory rape is not a two way street. It is something that applies to women, like menstruating or breast feeding. If we look at our species as animals (which we are…which is why we shouldn’t eat our fellow cousins) then we look at the natural behavior of men at any age and realize that they naturally want sex. Women are different, they crave sex at a later age. This is why “statutory” rape is a feminine term, not a masculine one. 

He was 8 at the time.

I'm so fucking sick of these 3rd wave tumblr "feminists" treating rape like it's a gendered issue.
Repeat after me kids: Rape is not a gendered crime. And this idea that men are all sex craved animals who are incapable of thinking with anything other than their dicks is bullshit. The kid was eight fucking years old. Eight year old boys don't naturally want sex. Get the fuck outta here with that rape apologist bullshit.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 26, 2014, 11:26:30 pm
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being vegan is so emotionally draining like i can't even look at someone drinking a milkshake without wanting to cry this is ridiculous if your 'food' makes me emotionally distressed that might be a sign that it's not good

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"I've heard of crying over spilled milk, but this is ridiculous!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on April 27, 2014, 12:51:14 am
now I want to go watch old Tales from the Crypt episodes... thanks for that, UP.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 27, 2014, 12:53:20 am
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being vegan is so emotionally draining like i can't even look at someone drinking a milkshake without wanting to cry this is ridiculous if your 'food' makes me emotionally distressed that might be a sign that it's not good

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"I've heard of crying over spilled milk, but this is ridiculous!"
MILKSHAKES ARE WORSE THAN HITLER!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on April 27, 2014, 01:02:59 am
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Holy. Shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 27, 2014, 01:07:34 am
Quote from: Damen on April 27, 2014, 01:02:59 am
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Holy. Shit.
No idea what this says and i honestly would prefer not to.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 27, 2014, 01:37:30 am
Glad to know I oppress the Tumblr Squad so much. Boo freaking hoo, its only my personal preferences. But no, your crusade to get an unhealthy life style "recognized" is more important.

Ya know, that does sound familiar.

Racists are prone to saying that their crusade to get non-race mixing or whatever is more important than your personal preferences in a significant other. Amazing, isn't it? These charming folks have bent so far backward, they've become no different than the bigots they claim to revile.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: fancy_kitten on April 27, 2014, 05:47:22 am
Quote from: niam2023 on April 27, 2014, 01:37:30 am
Glad to know I oppress the Tumblr Squad so much. Boo freaking hoo, its only my personal preferences. But no, your crusade to get an unhealthy life style "recognized" is more important.

Ya know, that does sound familiar.

Racists are prone to saying that their crusade to get non-race mixing or whatever is more important than your personal preferences in a significant other. Amazing, isn't it? These charming folks have bent so far backward, they've become no different than the bigots they claim to revile.

I agreed with this up until you had to pull a Dr. Douchebag.  Nobody needs people who aren't medical professionals telling them what is and isn't healthy, especially when they hear it all the time and, more importantly, nobody cares.  Bonus points for calling something that isn't a lifestyle a lifestyle.  I'm not fat myself but I enjoy the occasional drink, and I'm pretty sure I'd get pretty sick of people preaching to me about my 'lifestyle' pretty quick.  Heck, I already deal with that to an extent for being queer.  The "But I'm just ever so concerned for you health!  You should be grateful instead of ignoring my advice!" defense is the most pathetic attempt at trying to claim the moral high ground there is.  Enough.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 27, 2014, 06:25:58 am
Oh yes, evil Doctor Niam, taking a health class and learning how damaging this lifestyle of obesity is.

The fact is, being queer, despite what the right wing vomits forth, has no innate health risks while obesity does in fact have health risks, and should not be celebrated, due to these real, scientifically documented health hazards.

But good going equalizing being gay to being fat, by the way. I could go into the logical implications, but that would take forever.

The fact is the research has shown the truth, and I simply say this truth. To me, it does not matter if I am seen as a douche or cruel or a "shitlord" so long as I know who has done the research.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: fancy_kitten on April 27, 2014, 06:49:16 am
Quote from: niam2023 on April 27, 2014, 06:25:58 am
Oh yes, evil Doctor Niam, taking a health class and learning how damaging this lifestyle of obesity is.

The fact is, being queer, despite what the right wing vomits forth, has no innate health risks while obesity does in fact have health risks, and should not be celebrated, due to these real, scientifically documented health hazards.

But good going equalizing being gay to being fat, by the way. I could go into the logical implications, but that would take forever.

The fact is the research has shown the truth, and I simply say this truth. To me, it does not matter if I am seen as a douche or cruel or a "shitlord" so long as I know who has done the research.

Having done the research still doesn't give you the right to act like a street preacher toward people.  I still maintain that there's nothing immoral about being unhealthy for any reason and treating people badly because of any health issue they might have is a dick move, especially when the people you're being a dick to are already typically seen as unattractive and undesirable.  You don't like the metaphor I used, that's fine.  I wasn't saying the two were equivalent, just equivalently stupid.  If you want something more similar, try comparing your crappy ass statements to the age-old 'just stop being poor' or 'just stop being depressed' "advice" that people who deal with those issues constantly get.  After all, being mentally ill and/or poor are also consistently shown to cause and correlate with being unhealthy and dying early and are seen as things you can just magically 'end' almost as often when people don't want to feel guilty for acting superior over others.

 Those two things are generally less visible though, and are therefore less easy for people to be personally offended by, which is probably also why you don't often see people claiming to just be concerned about people's health when demanding that they just magically stop being depressed or trying to convince them to invest in a worthless degree or their crappy penny stock.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Patches on April 27, 2014, 08:54:30 am
Quote from: Damen on April 27, 2014, 01:02:59 am
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Holy. Shit.

I don't understand how this is even considered "social justice".  Isn't this basically a campaign to harass and shame people over their sexual preferences?  "You aren't naturally attracted to people who look like me, therefore you are evil and must change your preferences to what I find acceptable."

Good lord, when someone says they're not physically attracted to me, I don't assume there's some nefarious oppressive belief to it, I just assume I'm simply not their type.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 27, 2014, 12:08:06 pm
Negating a person's innate sex drive and the biological basis behind sexual attraction is beyond stupid. I happen to find larger women attractive, as well as women of smaller stature. But, I don't think it's necessary for people to attempt to conform their sexuality and sense of eroticism to fit an abstract social norm of fairness and equality for all, such as in my case, going ahead and dating and/or sleeping with men, even though I am primarily lesbian in sexual orientation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: fancy_kitten on April 27, 2014, 03:30:55 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on April 27, 2014, 02:50:24 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on April 27, 2014, 06:25:58 am
Oh yes, evil Doctor Niam, taking a health class and learning how damaging this lifestyle of obesity is.

The fact is, being queer, despite what the right wing vomits forth, has no innate health risks while obesity does in fact have health risks, and should not be celebrated, due to these real, scientifically documented health hazards.

But good going equalizing being gay to being fat, by the way. I could go into the logical implications, but that would take forever.

The fact is the research has shown the truth, and I simply say this truth. To me, it does not matter if I am seen as a douche or cruel or a "shitlord" so long as I know who has done the research.

Of course being obese is not healthy, but honestly fat people already know that. So there's no reason to constantly point it out to them as if they're too stupid to realize it.

That's what I'm saying.  Also being fat isn't a disease, it can cause health conditions like high blood pressure and the same things that cause you to be fat can cause diabetes, but it's entirely possible to be fat and not have either of those things.  At the very least, I can't name many fat people who have had a coronary over the idea that somebody out there might have the gall to present themselves in a way that they personally find unattractive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 27, 2014, 03:32:20 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on April 27, 2014, 02:50:24 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on April 27, 2014, 06:25:58 am
Oh yes, evil Doctor Niam, taking a health class and learning how damaging this lifestyle of obesity is.

The fact is, being queer, despite what the right wing vomits forth, has no innate health risks while obesity does in fact have health risks, and should not be celebrated, due to these real, scientifically documented health hazards.

But good going equalizing being gay to being fat, by the way. I could go into the logical implications, but that would take forever.

The fact is the research has shown the truth, and I simply say this truth. To me, it does not matter if I am seen as a douche or cruel or a "shitlord" so long as I know who has done the research.

Of course being obese is not healthy, but honestly fat people already know that. So there's no reason to constantly point it out to them as if they're too stupid to realize it.

Not to mention that a lot of people use this to justify outright bullying of fat people so, no offense niam, I'm actually siding with fancy and Osama on this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on April 27, 2014, 03:35:28 pm
I think it's rude to constantly point out "hurr, that's unhealthy", but that doesn't mean it's wrong to confront a loved one about it because you're concerned about their health. It's silly to have a black-and-white "you can never talk to people about it unless you are a physician" rule.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on April 27, 2014, 04:02:26 pm
Quote from: fancy_kitten on April 27, 2014, 03:30:55 pm
Also being fat isn't a disease, it can cause health conditions like high blood pressure and the same things that cause you to be fat can cause diabetes, but it's entirely possible to be fat and not have either of those things.

Speaking as someone who is morbidly obese, yes, obesity is a disease. It can optionally present with comorbidities like high blood pressure and diabetes, but saying it's not a disease entirely ignores the concept of what a disease is.

Quote from: Sleepy on April 27, 2014, 03:35:28 pm
I think it's rude to constantly point out "hurr, that's unhealthy", but that doesn't mean it's wrong to confront a loved one about it because you're concerned about their health. It's silly to have a black-and-white "you can never talk to people about it unless you are a physician" rule.

Obesity remains a disease that is difficult to treat with our current knowledge of medicine; otherwise, we wouldn't be having this discussion as nearly everyone would have a healthy fat content and they would be in no danger of gaining any of it back. There's a difference between supporting someone as they try to reverse this disease and treating them with contempt, which is all the rage in society at large.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 27, 2014, 04:11:10 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on April 27, 2014, 04:02:26 pm
Obesity remains a disease that is difficult to treat with our current knowledge of medicine; otherwise, we wouldn't be having this discussion as nearly everyone would have a healthy fat content and they would be in no danger of gaining any of it back. There's a difference between supporting someone as they try to reverse this disease and treating them with contempt, which is all the rage in society at large.

Also, this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 27, 2014, 04:20:46 pm
Quote from: fancy_kitten on April 27, 2014, 06:49:16 am
Quote from: niam2023 on April 27, 2014, 06:25:58 am
Oh yes, evil Doctor Niam, taking a health class and learning how damaging this lifestyle of obesity is.

The fact is, being queer, despite what the right wing vomits forth, has no innate health risks while obesity does in fact have health risks, and should not be celebrated, due to these real, scientifically documented health hazards.

But good going equalizing being gay to being fat, by the way. I could go into the logical implications, but that would take forever.

The fact is the research has shown the truth, and I simply say this truth. To me, it does not matter if I am seen as a douche or cruel or a "shitlord" so long as I know who has done the research.

Having done the research still doesn't give you the right to act like a street preacher toward people.  I still maintain that there's nothing immoral about being unhealthy for any reason and treating people badly because of any health issue they might have is a dick move, especially when the people you're being a dick to are already typically seen as unattractive and undesirable.  You don't like the metaphor I used, that's fine.  I wasn't saying the two were equivalent, just equivalently stupid.  If you want something more similar, try comparing your crappy ass statements to the age-old 'just stop being poor' or 'just stop being depressed' "advice" that people who deal with those issues constantly get.  After all, being mentally ill and/or poor are also consistently shown to cause and correlate with being unhealthy and dying early and are seen as things you can just magically 'end' almost as often when people don't want to feel guilty for acting superior over others.

 Those two things are generally less visible though, and are therefore less easy for people to be personally offended by, which is probably also why you don't often see people claiming to just be concerned about people's health when demanding that they just magically stop being depressed or trying to convince them to invest in a worthless degree or their crappy penny stock.

I simply feel that, with how close my father came to a deadly health incident due to being obese - specifically, a problem with his spine, I cannot abide by Body Positivity and the folks on Tumblr that seem to voice opinions stating that they feel fine at high weights and that health issues and crises are ableist / fatphobic lies. Like it would be okay for anyone to be overweight and not expect serious health issues in their future.

With the health class I'm taking in college, I simply feel its my responsibility to contradict the Positivity movement.

The Body Positivity and Fat Acceptance movements spread poisonous lies that are worsening an already bad problem.

Though I was bullied myself, in my perspective, simply telling people who are online who relish in their fatness and how they "accept" it is not bullying. Its simply stating facts and scientifically observed data.

I do not encourage treating fat people with contempt. Contempt is what I reserve for people who as I covered earlier relish in their high weight and tell people it is okay and healthy to be big and to get bigger.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on April 27, 2014, 04:22:54 pm
I never said anything disagreeing with Ironchew's point. It's just important to be able to discuss the matter with a loved one, given the health risks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: fancy_kitten on April 27, 2014, 04:36:15 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on April 27, 2014, 04:20:46 pm
Quote from: fancy_kitten on April 27, 2014, 06:49:16 am
Quote from: niam2023 on April 27, 2014, 06:25:58 am
Oh yes, evil Doctor Niam, taking a health class and learning how damaging this lifestyle of obesity is.

The fact is, being queer, despite what the right wing vomits forth, has no innate health risks while obesity does in fact have health risks, and should not be celebrated, due to these real, scientifically documented health hazards.

But good going equalizing being gay to being fat, by the way. I could go into the logical implications, but that would take forever.

The fact is the research has shown the truth, and I simply say this truth. To me, it does not matter if I am seen as a douche or cruel or a "shitlord" so long as I know who has done the research.

Having done the research still doesn't give you the right to act like a street preacher toward people.  I still maintain that there's nothing immoral about being unhealthy for any reason and treating people badly because of any health issue they might have is a dick move, especially when the people you're being a dick to are already typically seen as unattractive and undesirable.  You don't like the metaphor I used, that's fine.  I wasn't saying the two were equivalent, just equivalently stupid.  If you want something more similar, try comparing your crappy ass statements to the age-old 'just stop being poor' or 'just stop being depressed' "advice" that people who deal with those issues constantly get.  After all, being mentally ill and/or poor are also consistently shown to cause and correlate with being unhealthy and dying early and are seen as things you can just magically 'end' almost as often when people don't want to feel guilty for acting superior over others.

 Those two things are generally less visible though, and are therefore less easy for people to be personally offended by, which is probably also why you don't often see people claiming to just be concerned about people's health when demanding that they just magically stop being depressed or trying to convince them to invest in a worthless degree or their crappy penny stock.

I simply feel that, with how close my father came to a deadly health incident due to being obese - specifically, a problem with his spine, I cannot abide by Body Positivity and the folks on Tumblr that seem to voice opinions stating that they feel fine at high weights and that health issues and crises are ableist / fatphobic lies. Like it would be okay for anyone to be overweight and not expect serious health issues in their future.

With the health class I'm taking in college, I simply feel its my responsibility to contradict the Positivity movement.

The Body Positivity and Fat Acceptance movements spread poisonous lies that are worsening an already bad problem.

Though I was bullied myself, in my perspective, simply telling people who are online who relish in their fatness and how they "accept" it is not bullying. Its simply stating facts and scientifically observed data.

I do not encourage treating fat people with contempt. Contempt is what I reserve for people who as I covered earlier relish in their high weight and tell people it is okay and healthy to be big and to get bigger.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere reasonable.  If you really want to help people, that's great.  In my experience though, the FA movement and especially the body positivity movement exist to protect people who have dealt with constantly being dumped on, possibly in addition to whatever health issues they are dealing with.  Putting honest health information out there is fine, but you can do that without calling out people for trying to feel good about their bodies.  Most of the people you're calling out already deal with low self confidence and have heard whatever you have to say many times already.  And really, if you inform someone about health problems you think they have or are at risk for and they tell you they're fine, I'm still not convinced you shouldn't just leave it at that.

As an aside, the body positivity movement in general isn't about celebrating obesity.  There is no non-cultural reason why women should feel bad for having leg hair, or men should feel bad for... I can't think of any male-specific traits that are cause for ridicule, but you get what I'm saying.  Also, there's a big difference between being what's typically considered fat and legitimately being obese to an unhealthy degree.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 27, 2014, 06:24:21 pm
I think the real purpose of the BA movement is to not treat fat (and also the lack of fat) as something to be ridiculed and mocked.  And also to stop the ridicule of people who actually like that.  (That's not to say people don't take it too far.)

I mean, yeah, I don't like being fat because I miss having stamina, and being fat makes it harder to get it back.

But ultimately, you wouldn't ridicule someone for having health issues, so why should it be okay if that health issue is over/underweight?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on April 27, 2014, 07:18:08 pm
Basically, there's a difference between promoting healthy decisions in the general populace/expressing concern for a loved one's health, and attaching self worth or worthiness of respect to the size and shape of a person's body. There's also a fine line between recognizing the health risks associated with obesity and assuming that every health problem experienced by a fat person relates to their weight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 27, 2014, 07:22:34 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on April 27, 2014, 06:24:21 pm
I think the real purpose of the BA movement is to not treat fat (and also the lack of fat) as something to be ridiculed and mocked.  And also to stop the ridicule of people who actually like that.  (That's not to say people don't take it too far.)

I mean, yeah, I don't like being fat because I miss having stamina, and being fat makes it harder to get it back.

But ultimately, you wouldn't ridicule someone for having health issues, so why should it be okay if that health issue is over/underweight?
This. The body-acceptance movement (at least, the type that doesn't end up in this thread) is about recognizing that there are no "wrong" or "inferior" bodies as long as the person inside is comfortable and happy. While there are recognized health risks to being overweight, the assholes who shout "fatass!" as they drive past a fat girl don't care about them: they care about shaming someone for having a body that they find personally unacceptable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 27, 2014, 08:37:07 pm
Quote from: Patches on April 27, 2014, 08:54:30 am
Quote from: Damen on April 27, 2014, 01:02:59 am
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Holy. Shit.

I don't understand how this is even considered "social justice".  Isn't this basically a campaign to harass and shame people over their sexual preferences?  "You aren't naturally attracted to people who look like me, therefore you are evil and must change your preferences to what I find acceptable."

Good lord, when someone says they're not physically attracted to me, I don't assume there's some nefarious oppressive belief to it, I just assume I'm simply not their type.

Why is this "social justice" you ask?  Because this is what the SJWs think everything will lead to.

Ironbite-hence why it's here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 27, 2014, 09:11:29 pm
Correct on that, the body acceptance movement I find worthy of contempt is the one Tumblr puked out - the bastardization.

I do not recall ever shouting fatass at people or otherwise randomly shaming people.

I got no issues with people who acknowledge the facts and are working. Its people who lie - knowingly lie - to protect "feels". The Tumblrite variety - "my feelings are more important than facts." And how oblivious they are to how they bend backwards so far they become like the right wing.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 27, 2014, 10:10:09 pm
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"unspoken hxstories"

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on April 27, 2014, 10:30:19 pm
"Man" refers to "Human", lady.

Instead, criticize the use of using "man" to simply refer to "male" when we should be using "wereman".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 27, 2014, 10:52:52 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on April 27, 2014, 03:35:28 pm
I think it's rude to constantly point out "hurr, that's unhealthy", but that doesn't mean it's wrong to confront a loved one about it because you're concerned about their health. It's silly to have a black-and-white "you can never talk to people about it unless you are a physician" rule.
There's also the need to distinguish between "mildly chubby" and "potentially has heart conditions"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 28, 2014, 01:24:48 pm
Because that takes thought and a modicum of curiosity and investigative skills.  Such things are beyond their tiny minds.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Patches on April 30, 2014, 07:08:26 am
Huh.  One of the blogs I follow, which has absolutely nothing to do with social justice, got a random flame from an ANTI-social justice warrior (http://p-curly.tumblr.com/post/84307941551/its-misogynist-to-imply-that-panties-have-to-be) for a post talking about how writers are often pressured to include fanservice that they may not particularly want or find appropriate for their story, and had posted a scan from an "Inuyasha" artbook where the author of the series commented that she absolutely put her foot down and demanded the anime adaptation not include any panty-shots because she didn't want them.  The anti-SJW then flamed her for the "misogynistic" idea that panties are necessarily sexual (when her article was simply about a creator standing up against market pressure to include something in her work that she didn't personally want to be there).

We are through the looking glass.  We have SJWs fighting oppression that doesn't exist, and anti-SJWs fighting against SJWs that don't exist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 30, 2014, 07:43:36 am
Whelp, time to sit back and watch them kill one another when their individual psychoses break.  Who's got the peanut butter M&Ms?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 03, 2014, 06:17:39 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/QXxIIKO.png)

"purr/purrs/purrself"

(http://i.imgur.com/Fes34Y6.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on May 03, 2014, 08:00:19 pm
It's telling that she also accepts regular feminine pronouns. It's like she's admitting that she can't get away with it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on May 04, 2014, 05:50:26 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on May 03, 2014, 08:00:19 pm
It's telling that she also accepts regular feminine pronouns. It's like she's admitting that she can't get away with it.

Or that even if she would prefer the pronouns that she thought of herself she accepts regular ones as well and is not likely to freak out and start ranting if people use the wrong pronoun.

We already have several pronouns in english language and I try not to use the wrong one to address someone. I can even use Zie and such if that is what they want to be used (or just avoid pronouns completely so that I won't use the wrong one accidentally) but some of those special snowflake pronouns are annoying.

...Also, that post might have been written jokingly. Or maybe she thought that when she offers things like "purr/purrself" people will at least use she rather than he.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on May 04, 2014, 08:03:27 am
Is no one going to talk about how she's apparently "kitty-gender" and "null-gender"? I suppose non-gender (neither male nor female) is a real thing, but calling it that and using "void/voidself" is just dumb.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 04, 2014, 02:36:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/5My3gru.jpg)

Uh
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on May 04, 2014, 03:19:54 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/2WQs73V.png)


Well, if you think all that "bunself" shit is perfectly legit then no, you don't deserve to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 04, 2014, 03:56:07 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 04, 2014, 02:36:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/5My3gru.jpg)

Uh
Fat would make a human less hydrodynamic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2014, 03:58:33 pm
Humans do not have blubber.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 04, 2014, 04:45:49 pm
Though in the event of a worldwide flood, fat people are more likely to float and are more resistant to cold temperatures so... yay?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 04, 2014, 04:50:22 pm
Yet their large amounts of viable meat would make them susceptible to the new predators, the Flying Carnivorous Monkeys of the American Islands, controlled by an insane Sarah Palin who calls herself the Wicked Bitch of the West!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 04, 2014, 05:08:36 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 04, 2014, 04:45:49 pm
Though in the event of a worldwide flood, fat people are more likely to float and are more resistant to cold temperatures so... yay?

This sounds like they're working off an actual hypothesis of human evolution; it says that primitive humans may have frequently explored bodies of water since we're allegedly the only ape whose offspring will instinctively know how to swim if continually exposed to water from birth (don't know if that's actually true), and since newborns will automatically hold their breath when submerged.  It says nothing about blubber, however.

Ironically, they just gave bullies more reason to call overweight people "land/beached whales".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on May 04, 2014, 06:35:30 pm
Yeah, the actual aquatic ape hypothesis is worth a look, but it DOSEN'T say anything about fat, more about stuff like hairlessness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on May 04, 2014, 06:59:51 pm
And blubber is NOT the same thing as fat. Blubber is thicker and more rich in blood vessels than adipose tissue (or "body fat"), which makes it much more vital than fat for the mammals that have it.

The reason people are getting obese nowadays has nothing to do with the Aquatic Ape theory and everything to do with our lives becoming more sedentary as life gets easier and our diets not changing over quickly enough from the ones that are very high in fat, sugar, and calories. We're simply consuming more than we need.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on May 04, 2014, 07:03:47 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on May 04, 2014, 04:50:22 pm
Yet their large amounts of viable meat would make them susceptible to the new predators, the Flying Carnivorous Monkeys of the American Islands, controlled by an insane Sarah Palin who calls herself the Wicked Bitch of the West!

No, you've got to have alliteration. She is the Bicked Bitch of the Best.

:3
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 04, 2014, 10:42:11 pm
Yeah, that's going to give the "fat is healthy" movement the scientific cred it needs, citing the aquatic ape hypothesis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 04, 2014, 11:09:17 pm
I found the theory engaging when I first read about it, too. Here's the author of the theory, the late Elaine Morgan, explaining it in a TED video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwPoM7lGYHw
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 04, 2014, 11:09:39 pm
They do realize if they really push this, they're just gonna give the bullies more material in the vein of "beached whale" insults, right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 04, 2014, 11:13:47 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on May 04, 2014, 11:09:17 pm
I found the theory engaging when I first read about it, too. Here's the author of the theory, the late Elaine Morgan, explaining it in a TED video.

I was being sarcastic. As far as I can tell, most biologists think it doesn't have much going for it.

(haven't watched the TED video yet, will eventually)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 05, 2014, 12:39:12 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on May 04, 2014, 11:13:47 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on May 04, 2014, 11:09:17 pm
I found the theory engaging when I first read about it, too. Here's the author of the theory, the late Elaine Morgan, explaining it in a TED video.

I was being sarcastic. As far as I can tell, most biologists think it doesn't have much going for it.

(haven't watched the TED video yet, will eventually)

It's dubious, at best. The actual hypothesis -- that our ancestors spent more time in and around water than other apes, thus developing certain adaptations -- isn't full-on crackpot, although it lacks sufficient evidence, but there are quite a few nuts who have ran with it and come up with some pretty insane stuff.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on May 05, 2014, 12:40:42 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on May 04, 2014, 11:13:47 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on May 04, 2014, 11:09:17 pm
I found the theory engaging when I first read about it, too. Here's the author of the theory, the late Elaine Morgan, explaining it in a TED video.

I was being sarcastic. As far as I can tell, most biologists think it doesn't have much going for it.

(haven't watched the TED video yet, will eventually)
Pity. It is an exciting and fun theory that does have some merit but the boring old savannah monkeys theory more likely to be true.

Then again, this wouldn't be the first time that a scientific breakthrough is ignored because it went against the old theories AND was made by a woman. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polly_Matzinger Though her theory has flaws as well.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 05, 2014, 01:39:42 pm
Quote from: askold on May 05, 2014, 12:40:42 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on May 04, 2014, 11:13:47 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on May 04, 2014, 11:09:17 pm
I found the theory engaging when I first read about it, too. Here's the author of the theory, the late Elaine Morgan, explaining it in a TED video.

I was being sarcastic. As far as I can tell, most biologists think it doesn't have much going for it.

(haven't watched the TED video yet, will eventually)
Pity. It is an exciting and fun theory that does have some merit but the boring old savannah monkeys theory more likely to be true.

Then again, this wouldn't be the first time that a scientific breakthrough is ignored because it went against the old theories AND was made by a woman. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polly_Matzinger Though her theory has flaws as well.)

I would definitely suggest watching her TED talk. She did make excellent points, and was not a crackpot as far as her scientific credentials go. Most people outside of anthropology just "know" she's wrong from what they've read of the majority opinion, held for close to a century, about ancient apes and early hominid ancestors, not having been interested enough to go beyond their initial doubts to actually read up on the theory in question.

There is a pretty strong tendency in the life sciences for vituperative argument and disdainful dismissal without first giving new ideas some hard thought. It took decades of vigorous, and sometimes raging, disparaging argument for the now-accepted fact that many, if not just about all, dinosaurs were warm blooded. This actually happened during my own lifetime, as I was taught in school that they were cold blooded back in the '60's and '70's. One of the current hot-and-heavy arguments about saurians is whether the T-Rex was primarily a scavenger Versus a predator. Those teeny foreleg "arms" seem kinda sketchy for either an ambush predator, or sprint/chase capture predation. But, they would work okay for steadying a Rex as it leaned into a big carcass, gnashing away and crushing bones with it's peg shaped, massive, non-serrated teeth.

Scientists in the hard science fields like astronomy and physics are comparably quite a bit more pragmatic and civil in their discourse about new theories, since the maths can be replicated or audited, and the discoveries are repeatable and falsifiable without so much reliance on personal opinion about existing theories.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 05, 2014, 04:02:42 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/re4pP48.jpg)

So let me get this straight, white people have no culture but they're also forcing everyone else to adapt to their culture.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 05, 2014, 04:14:52 pm
I'm more concerned by the fact that "white people" (read: Western europeans and Americans) force their culture on other people than the idea that they have no culture.

(Personally, I think saying that white people "have no culture" is like saying that "white culture is the standard", which is... ... heh, "problematic")
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on May 05, 2014, 05:32:02 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 05, 2014, 04:14:52 pm
I'm more concerned by the fact that "white people" (read: Western europeans and Americans) force their culture on other people than the idea that they have no culture.

(Personally, I think saying that white people "have no culture" is like saying that "white culture is the standard", which is... ... heh, "problematic")

I bet if you asked most people in developing countries if they felt an external "white culture" was imposed on them, they'd give you funny looks. So-called white culture is apparently incredibly popular and you'll see xenophobic cultures either adapt to that or die out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 05, 2014, 05:37:05 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on May 05, 2014, 05:32:02 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 05, 2014, 04:14:52 pm
I'm more concerned by the fact that "white people" (read: Western europeans and Americans) force their culture on other people than the idea that they have no culture.

(Personally, I think saying that white people "have no culture" is like saying that "white culture is the standard", which is... ... heh, "problematic")

I bet if you asked most people in developing countries if they felt an external "white culture" was imposed on them, they'd give you funny looks. So-called white culture is apparently incredibly popular and you'll see xenophobic cultures either adapt to that or die out.
They would be slightly miffed about the whole "multinational corporations fucking there natural recourses and testing drugs on them" thing, but it's more fun to bitch about culture apricot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 05, 2014, 08:16:55 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on May 05, 2014, 05:32:02 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 05, 2014, 04:14:52 pm
I'm more concerned by the fact that "white people" (read: Western europeans and Americans) force their culture on other people than the idea that they have no culture.

(Personally, I think saying that white people "have no culture" is like saying that "white culture is the standard", which is... ... heh, "problematic")

I bet if you asked most people in developing countries if they felt an external "white culture" was imposed on them, they'd give you funny looks. So-called white culture is apparently incredibly popular and you'll see xenophobic cultures either adapt to that or die out.

I bet if you asked them how they felt about white people fucking with their culture and lands, they'd have words to say.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 05, 2014, 10:42:04 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 05, 2014, 08:16:55 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on May 05, 2014, 05:32:02 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 05, 2014, 04:14:52 pm
I'm more concerned by the fact that "white people" (read: Western europeans and Americans) force their culture on other people than the idea that they have no culture.

(Personally, I think saying that white people "have no culture" is like saying that "white culture is the standard", which is... ... heh, "problematic")

I bet if you asked most people in developing countries if they felt an external "white culture" was imposed on them, they'd give you funny looks. So-called white culture is apparently incredibly popular and you'll see xenophobic cultures either adapt to that or die out.

I bet if you asked them how they felt about white people fucking with their culture and lands, they'd have words to say.
As I said.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on May 05, 2014, 11:57:42 pm
Im assuming here that white culture means american culture. Because the term white culture is just fucking stupid and assumes we are all the same.

But if we are using the word white culture in order to express the concept of dominating other cultures, then again that term isnt really accurate. But then thats just semantic faggotry.

Besides, the thing that started this discussion relates to my first point in assuming that all white culture is the same.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 06, 2014, 12:02:18 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on May 05, 2014, 11:57:42 pm
Im assuming here that white culture means american culture. Because the term white culture is just fucking stupid and assumes we are all the same.

But if we are using the word white culture in order to express the concept of dominating other cultures, then again that term isnt really accurate. But then thats just semantic faggotry.

Besides, the thing that started this discussion relates to my first point in assuming that all white culture is the same.

Hence why I specified it with "Western european and American" culture.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 06, 2014, 12:20:32 am
Say, I actually followed that girl for a while, I eventually canceled her when she made some nonsensical post about how Colbert blah blah white liberals. I'm assuming she's heading the way of social justice wario and is slowly getting more and more kooky.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 06, 2014, 12:38:52 am
Kinda like how I stopped reading ShitRichCollegeKidsSay when they fell into that damn SJW meme of "There is no such thing as a white Sami"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 06, 2014, 12:46:06 am
I allso unfollowed some other blog when they reblog the same girl posting how she hated something something white feminists frozen farting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 06, 2014, 01:20:53 am
I am responding and reblogging ShitRichCollegeKidsSay in the hopes those people will say something spectacularly idiotic in response.

Its way too much fun to pretend to be a rich, entitled Republican on my blog.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 06, 2014, 01:23:06 am
Quote from: niam2023 on May 06, 2014, 01:20:53 am
I am responding and reblogging ShitRichCollegeKidsSay in the hopes those people will say something spectacularly idiotic in response.

Its way too much fun to pretend to be a rich, entitled Republican on my blog.

I support this out of spite.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 06, 2014, 11:06:35 pm
Another anon message to thefrogman:

Quote
It's a shame that your family raised you to unquestionably believe and blindly defend to death that you need >50% of your diet to be made up of animals. A high carb vegan diet would fix nearly all of your illnesses. I hope one day you can look past your own gluttony and start caring more about your health than your taste buds. Grasping for every straw that says good things about your bad habits is not a good way to live.

This really could fit in any of the three threads we have, so I put it here for the self righteous "going vegan will solve all your problems" attitude.  One of the illnesses frogman has is diabetes, which, according to the comments, is really bad for a high carb diet.

Also, I like how they imply a vegan diet is less pleasing than a non-vegan diet, like going vegan will make eating just another bodily chore rather than an activity to be enjoyed.  Kind of gives people less incentive to be vegan, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on May 07, 2014, 02:55:32 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 06, 2014, 11:06:35 pm
Another anon message to thefrogman:

Quote
It's a shame that your family raised you to unquestionably believe and blindly defend to death that you need >50% of your diet to be made up of animals. A high carb vegan diet would fix nearly all of your illnesses. I hope one day you can look past your own gluttony and start caring more about your health than your taste buds. Grasping for every straw that says good things about your bad habits is not a good way to live.

This really could fit in any of the three threads we have, so I put it here for the self righteous "going vegan will solve all your problems" attitude.  One of the illnesses frogman has is diabetes, which, according to the comments, is really bad for a high carb diet.

Also, I like how they imply a vegan diet is less pleasing than a non-vegan diet, like going vegan will make eating just another bodily chore rather than an activity to be enjoyed.  Kind of gives people less incentive to be vegan, doesn't it?
Wait, what? S/he's recommending that a diabetic go on a high-carb diet?! On what bassackwards planet does that make sense?! The absolute last thing someone with diabetes (especially type 2, which I'm reasonably sure is what Frogman's got) is a high-carb diet. Period! "A high-carb vegan diet would fix nearly all of your illnesses"?! Yeah, eating a fuckton of kale and cardboard will totally cure sleep apnea and CFS, doncha know. And no reasonable person recommends a diet that's >50% anything unless you have severe allergies and literally can't eat anything else. One-quarter of your calories (which, depending on how calorie-dense the rest of your diet is, may or may not be 25% of your diet) is what someone should actually aim for, according to basically every doctor who's ever discussed my weight.

TL;DR INTERNET VEGANS RUIN EVERYTHING 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 07, 2014, 03:02:37 am
Quote from: Ghoti on May 07, 2014, 02:55:32 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 06, 2014, 11:06:35 pm
Another anon message to thefrogman:

Quote
It's a shame that your family raised you to unquestionably believe and blindly defend to death that you need >50% of your diet to be made up of animals. A high carb vegan diet would fix nearly all of your illnesses. I hope one day you can look past your own gluttony and start caring more about your health than your taste buds. Grasping for every straw that says good things about your bad habits is not a good way to live.

This really could fit in any of the three threads we have, so I put it here for the self righteous "going vegan will solve all your problems" attitude.  One of the illnesses frogman has is diabetes, which, according to the comments, is really bad for a high carb diet.

Also, I like how they imply a vegan diet is less pleasing than a non-vegan diet, like going vegan will make eating just another bodily chore rather than an activity to be enjoyed.  Kind of gives people less incentive to be vegan, doesn't it?
Wait, what? S/he's recommending that a diabetic go on a high-carb diet?! On what bassackwards planet does that make sense?!

A planet where all problems are caused by being a carnivore and vegan eating is the solution to all illness, even cancer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 07, 2014, 10:27:31 am
I also suspect that the vegan SJW's suggestion that he eat a high carb diet was a convoluted way of saying, "Just kill yourself".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 07, 2014, 12:47:23 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on May 07, 2014, 10:27:31 am
I also suspect that the vegan SJW's suggestion that he eat a high carb diet was a convoluted way of saying, "Just kill yourself".

That would imply that there's anything negative about a vegan diet, at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 07, 2014, 07:04:13 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 07, 2014, 12:47:23 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on May 07, 2014, 10:27:31 am
I also suspect that the vegan SJW's suggestion that he eat a high carb diet was a convoluted way of saying, "Just kill yourself".

That would imply that there's anything negative about a vegan diet, at all.

Are you saying that you, yourself see no negatives in a vegan diet, or that they don't believe there are any negatives?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 07, 2014, 07:26:16 pm
Quote
#BanPsychology

I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 07, 2014, 07:28:05 pm
..........

Ironbite-..........
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 07, 2014, 07:33:03 pm
To further that point, THAT'S COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT!  Seriously.  Every word is fucking bullshit.  Every word.  I can't even go into detail how much bullshit that is.

Ironbite-just....BULLSHIT!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 07, 2014, 07:34:07 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 07, 2014, 07:26:16 pm
Quote
#BanPsychology

I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.
I didn't know there were Scientologists in the Social Justice movement.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 07, 2014, 08:33:07 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 07, 2014, 07:04:13 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 07, 2014, 12:47:23 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on May 07, 2014, 10:27:31 am
I also suspect that the vegan SJW's suggestion that he eat a high carb diet was a convoluted way of saying, "Just kill yourself".

That would imply that there's anything negative about a vegan diet, at all.

Are you saying that you, yourself see no negatives in a vegan diet, or that they don't believe there are any negatives?

When you take into account what I've said in the past, and my attitude towards vegan fundies and the like, which do you think I mean?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 08, 2014, 01:11:50 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 07, 2014, 07:26:16 pm
Quote
#BanPsychology

I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.
11. It takes the bottle out of the basket and rubs the lotion on it's skin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 08, 2014, 01:36:12 am
Quote from: mellenORL on May 08, 2014, 01:11:50 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 07, 2014, 07:26:16 pm
Quote
#BanPsychology

I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.
11. It takes the bottle out of the basket and rubs the lotion on it's skin.
I don't understand what you just said.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 08, 2014, 01:37:27 am
Silence of the Lambs reference. Search the exact sentence on youtube, bound to be a clip of it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on May 08, 2014, 01:44:17 am
Better yet the Greenskeepers Music Video
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 08, 2014, 08:15:04 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 07, 2014, 08:33:07 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 07, 2014, 07:04:13 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 07, 2014, 12:47:23 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on May 07, 2014, 10:27:31 am
I also suspect that the vegan SJW's suggestion that he eat a high carb diet was a convoluted way of saying, "Just kill yourself".

That would imply that there's anything negative about a vegan diet, at all.

Are you saying that you, yourself see no negatives in a vegan diet, or that they don't believe there are any negatives?

When you take into account what I've said in the past, and my attitude towards vegan fundies and the like, which do you think I mean?

I know, just that vague wording was vague.

Quote from: I am lizard on May 08, 2014, 01:36:12 am
Quote from: mellenORL on May 08, 2014, 01:11:50 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 07, 2014, 07:26:16 pm
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#BanPsychology

I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.
11. It takes the bottle out of the basket and rubs the lotion on it's skin.
I don't understand what you just said.


To put it bluntly, what the list is saying is that we shouldn't emphasize things like empathy, which is likely to create even more serial killers than we've already got running about.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 08, 2014, 01:33:41 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 08, 2014, 08:15:04 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 07, 2014, 08:33:07 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 07, 2014, 07:04:13 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 07, 2014, 12:47:23 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on May 07, 2014, 10:27:31 am
I also suspect that the vegan SJW's suggestion that he eat a high carb diet was a convoluted way of saying, "Just kill yourself".

That would imply that there's anything negative about a vegan diet, at all.

Are you saying that you, yourself see no negatives in a vegan diet, or that they don't believe there are any negatives?

When you take into account what I've said in the past, and my attitude towards vegan fundies and the like, which do you think I mean?

I know, just that vague wording was vague.

Quote from: I am lizard on May 08, 2014, 01:36:12 am
Quote from: mellenORL on May 08, 2014, 01:11:50 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 07, 2014, 07:26:16 pm
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#BanPsychology

I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.
11. It takes the bottle out of the basket and rubs the lotion on it's skin.
I don't understand what you just said.


To put it bluntly, what the list is saying is that we shouldn't emphasize things like empathy, which is likely to create even more serial killers than we've already got running about.
I meant literally, as in i didn't get the reference. And yes, that is fucked up that the SJW is saying that basic human interaction is wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on May 08, 2014, 01:38:57 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 07, 2014, 07:26:16 pm
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#BanPsychology

I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.

"Mental illness" is the next step in evolution? I don't think schizophrenia is a useful power to have in the X-Men.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 08, 2014, 01:40:40 pm
I'm guessing this is one of those idiots who believes in "indigo children".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 08, 2014, 02:45:21 pm
I saw someone on Facebook respond to an article titled "Black Parents Give Birth to White Baby!" (kid most likely has albinism) with "She must be an Indigo/Star Child!" She got all butthurt and told me to Google "Star Child" when I pointed out how racist she sounded.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 08, 2014, 03:45:02 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on May 08, 2014, 01:38:57 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 07, 2014, 07:26:16 pm
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#BanPsychology

I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.

"Mental illness" is the next step in evolution? I don't think schizophrenia is a useful power to have in the X-Men.
The "AUTISMTICS R SPESHUL SNOWFLAEKS!" stereotype is ableist as fuck.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on May 08, 2014, 05:24:51 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 08, 2014, 03:45:02 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on May 08, 2014, 01:38:57 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 07, 2014, 07:26:16 pm
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#BanPsychology

I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.

"Mental illness" is the next step in evolution? I don't think schizophrenia is a useful power to have in the X-Men.
The "AUTISMTICS R SPESHUL SNOWFLAEKS!" stereotype is ableist as fuck.

I bet those kind of people are the "self-diagnosed" people (as in, not actually autistic or mentally ill but think it's fuckin' fashionable)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 08, 2014, 05:53:43 pm
That can actually be a psychological illness in and of itself if its severe enough. I read as much in my psychology classes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on May 08, 2014, 05:54:45 pm
Yeah, their type especially piss me off. Hey jerks, I've got Asperger's Syndrome, and it's no joke. It's the main reason I'm 23 and still living with my parents, never had a job, socially inept, etc. It is NOT an excuse to be an arrogant asshole.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on May 08, 2014, 08:49:27 pm
In my experience, it's often been used as an excuse to be an arrogant asshole to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on May 08, 2014, 08:58:47 pm
So, to some degree, s/he has a point. Psychology, at worst, can involve the imposition of quite severe and compulsory invasive medical treatment without any proper grounding in, you know, evidence. It HAS been used by dictators. The psychological project DOES flirt with a sort-of make-everyone-the-same conformity in the name of science that Kurt Vonnegut and Ken Kesey were so fucking scared about. Those are legitimate criticisms. It can ludicrously over-diagnose people who are actually just a little strange or unlike you. It can turn the doctor's inability to empathise with a perfectly healthy difference of opinion into a false diagnosis (Liberalism is a mental illness, hur hur). But it's not enough to just say - it does this, make it stop. WHY does it do that?

The simple problem is that brain science is really, really hard. It's made even harder by the fact that they're, arguably, working from the wrong end. Basically, psychologists look at symptoms and try to find cures for the symptoms of broken cognition, while psychiatrists try to analyse the cause of broken cognition. Probably the psychiatric project has more promise, in my opinion, because you can actually quantify an MRI scan properly.

BUT! There have been some successes - talk therapy is a relatively goodish idea in lieu of any alternative, for instance. The problem with working with symptoms, though, is that symptoms are super-hard to classify systematically without being so broad that essentially everyone has them.

However, this is obviously a rational critique of psychology and reason isn't what these people are about.

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#BanPsychology
  • It is completely arbitrary.

At worst, not always. Is it arbitrary to want to help people not to kill themselves?

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  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.

Arguably - this is half-assed Foucault. But, to Foucault, all language helps white men and there is nothing strange about psychological language in this respect.

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  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.

Again, not an illegitimate argument except if you try to apply it in all circumstances which you have.

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  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”

This is THE argument against psychology.

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  • It has a racist history.

So does higher education. So do railways. Are we going to get rid of all the railways?

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  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)

Better argument - it completely denies all agency. Every decision you make is just a symptom.

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  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people

This is silly.

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  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.

Special snowflakes uber alles. This is straight supremicism.

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  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 08, 2014, 09:10:09 pm
Incidentally, a lot of symptoms associated with ADHD are also asperger-LIKE symptoms.  Same with OCD and Tourrette's Syndrome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 08, 2014, 11:20:57 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on May 08, 2014, 05:24:51 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 08, 2014, 03:45:02 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on May 08, 2014, 01:38:57 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 07, 2014, 07:26:16 pm
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#BanPsychology

I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.

"Mental illness" is the next step in evolution? I don't think schizophrenia is a useful power to have in the X-Men.
The "AUTISMTICS R SPESHUL SNOWFLAEKS!" stereotype is ableist as fuck.

I bet those kind of people are the "self-diagnosed" people (as in, not actually autistic or mentally ill but think it's fuckin' fashionable)
BUT THEY'RE QUIRKY, THAT IS THE SAME THING AS AUTISM U ABLIEST LITERAL TRASH!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on May 08, 2014, 11:33:11 pm
Psychology and psychiatry are relatively new sciences, so misdiagnoses are bound to happen, but that doesn't mean they should be dismissed. Without these sciences there would be no way to treat depression, and I, along with many others, would probably be dead by now.

Are autism spectrum disorders over-diagnosed? Certainly. But does it plain not exist? Absolutely not.

I mean, you can have a few symptoms of a disorder without actually having it.

tl;dr, the anti-psychology movement is bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on May 09, 2014, 02:08:04 am
Quote from: Solar Pendra on May 08, 2014, 11:33:11 pm
Psychology and psychiatry are relatively new sciences, so misdiagnoses are bound of happen, but that doesn't mean they should be dismissed. Without these sciences there would be no way to treat depression, and I, along with many others, would probably be dead by now.

It's also silly to suggest that autism isn't a disorder.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on May 09, 2014, 03:33:35 am
(http://i.imgur.com/LTcR70p.png)

I got nothin'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on May 09, 2014, 04:53:34 am
Quote from: Kanesyth on May 09, 2014, 03:33:35 am
(http://i.imgur.com/LTcR70p.png)

I got nothin'.

I desperately want to mark this person's papers. (Well, not really want to mark the papers themselves, just cross out every instance of "persyn".)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on May 09, 2014, 07:49:26 am
The etymology is complete shit of course. Lose five grades for stupidity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on May 09, 2014, 09:36:13 am
Good on her for putting the disclaimer at the beginning, now the professor knows she's a complete idiot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 09, 2014, 02:18:09 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on May 09, 2014, 09:36:13 am
Good on her for putting the disclaimer at the beginning, now the professor knows she's a complete idiot.

Its just sad you can't automatically flunk someone out of a class once you find that out...they have to actually fail assignments.  If nothing else, its just plain inefficient.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on May 09, 2014, 03:07:29 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 09, 2014, 02:18:09 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on May 09, 2014, 09:36:13 am
Good on her for putting the disclaimer at the beginning, now the professor knows she's a complete idiot.

Its just sad you can't automatically flunk someone out of a class once you find that out...they have to actually fail assignments.  If nothing else, its just plain inefficient.

If I could automatically fail people who said one really, really stupid thing on stuff I've marked, my TA record would be littered with classes with very high failure rates.

(For instance, if I could do this, anyone who writes anything that appears to assume the conclusion would get an automatic 0 in the course.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 09, 2014, 07:45:53 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 07, 2014, 07:26:16 pm
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#BanPsychology

I’ve mentioned my hatred of psychology a few times here, but I never fully went into detail.  Here are the reasons I am against psychology as a practice and a study:

  • It is completely arbitrary.
  • It seeks to benefit oppressors, especially cishet white men.
  • It promotes “normal” behavior which is defined by oppressors.
  • It marks people as “sick” when they aren’t necessarily sick.  Being gay used to be a “mental illness”
  • It has a racist history.
  • It colonizes the minds/bodies of people and gives that agency to their “doctors” (who are almost always white cishet men)
  • It benefits the educated and privileged with a career choice that makes lots of money, feeding off more vulnerable oppressed people
  • "Mental illnesses" are not illnesses, they are mutations and probably the next step in evolution.  People with so-called mental illnesses are almost always more talented and skilled than those without them.
  • It places unnecessary emphasis on traits like empathy, intelligence and “relating to others”
  • It’s total bullshit.
My quick break down:
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Here is another post form super duper edgy tumblrina's blog:

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The first way that men systematically bring women into the idea of male penetration and loss of agency is by introducing tampons.  Is it any coincidence that girls start using tampons AS SOON AS they become physically capable of procreating?  It is form of “grooming”.  The girl start out with “junior slim” (just. gross.) and eventually go up to “overnight” (yeah, we get the sexual connotations there, thanks…)

By the time girls have matured into the regular-sized tampons or super tampons (which are stil smaller than most penises) they are ready to be penetrated by an actual penis in the eyes of men.  There are just SO. MANY. THINGS. made to groom women for heterosexuality.  If PiV were natural/normal/healthy for women it wouldn’t take this much effort to warm them up to it!

Of course trans men are also encouraged to use tampons through their childhood but this is no different- society tries to undermine them and denies their masculinity, and in doing so, makes them “penetrated” repeatedly.  This is a way to “trick” them into enjoying the idea of PiV and the idea of being “less”, as a woman.


The "junior/slim" sizes are for very light blood flows (usually six grams or less) while the "ultra/overnight" is meant for heavy flows (15+ grams). They have nothing to do with penetration and even the largest of tampons are smaller than the average penis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 09, 2014, 08:07:06 pm
OMG, thank you jebus! I needed a good laugh!

So, let's answer idiot pomposity with an equally stupid/funny counterpoint...https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120623165917AAkj5GH (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120623165917AAkj5GH)

Slightly NSFW

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There's actually much more wisdom and compassion in the Yahoo drivel than that Tumblrina can ever manage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 09, 2014, 08:08:36 pm
"PiV" -- the means through which we procreate our species -- isn't natural? The hell?

As for tampons, it takes a major leap in logic to see sexual connotations in the absorbencies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on May 09, 2014, 08:16:24 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on May 09, 2014, 08:07:06 pm
OMG, thank you jebus! I needed a good laugh!

So, let's answer idiot pomposity with an equally stupid/funny counterpoint...https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120623165917AAkj5GH (https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120623165917AAkj5GH)

Slightly NSFW

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There's actually much more wisdom and compassion in the Yahoo drivel than that Tumblrina can ever manage.

I think she needs to be more careful about using the word "literal" about "tampon dick".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 09, 2014, 08:28:45 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 09, 2014, 07:45:53 pm
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The first way that men systematically bring women into the idea of male penetration and loss of agency is by introducing tampons.  Is it any coincidence that girls start using tampons AS SOON AS they become physically capable of procreating?
You know, I want to say nobody could possibly be stupid enough to make that argument seriously. Alas, if the internet has taught me one thing, it's that there's always someone stupid enough.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 09, 2014, 08:41:08 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 09, 2014, 08:08:36 pm
"PiV" -- the means through which we procreate our species -- isn't natural? The hell?

As for tampons, it takes a major leap in logic to see sexual connotations in the absorbencies.

Perhaps she thinks we all should have evolved with cloacas instead?

Quote from: thejebusfire on May 09, 2014, 07:45:53 pm
Here is another post form super duper edgy tumblrina's blog:

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The first way that men systematically bring women into the idea of male penetration and loss of agency is by introducing tampons.  Is it any coincidence that girls start using tampons AS SOON AS they become physically capable of procreating?  It is form of “grooming”.  The girl start out with “junior slim” (just. gross.) and eventually go up to “overnight” (yeah, we get the sexual connotations there, thanks…)

. . .

Of course trans men are also encouraged to use tampons through their childhood but this is no different- society tries to undermine them and denies their masculinity, and in doing so, makes them “penetrated” repeatedly.  This is a way to “trick” them into enjoying the idea of PiV and the idea of being “less”, as a woman.

Fun fact:  According to wikipedia, "tampons" have been used by women for thousands of years in many different cultures, from papyrus ones in ancient Egypt, to wool ones in Rome, to paper ones in ancient Japan, to plant based ones in Hawaii, Africa, and Asia.  Why, when you think about it,

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 09, 2014, 08:42:30 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 09, 2014, 08:41:08 pm
Why, when you think about it,

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That's just crazy talk. Real women bleed all over everything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 09, 2014, 09:35:26 pm
So, reading that Yahoo exchange I linked earlier about small penis size put a bug in my brain, and I noticed Unhung Hero in the new documentaries on Netflix. Oh, that guy is so cute, really a beautiful young man physically, and so smart and funny, and I'm getting teary-eyed at the shit he's been going through.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on May 10, 2014, 02:31:31 am
New rule: nobody is allowed to use to word "agency" for the next year.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 10, 2014, 08:03:47 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 09, 2014, 08:42:30 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 09, 2014, 08:41:08 pm
Why, when you think about it,

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That's just crazy talk. Real women bleed all over everything.

Isn't that actually a new trend among dipshits? Like wearing a skirt and just letting the blood visibly flow down one's leg?

Ok, I just googled free bleeding, the term I remembered for it, and apparently it started as a joke on 4chan. Sadly, I think might have actually caught on in the tumblr circles.

As I googled it I also came across a tumblr post surprisingly enough that puts it quite well.

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-Bleeding all over your clothes is not empowerment.
-Shitting in your pants is not empowerment.
-Peeing in your pants is not empowerment.
-Not brushing your teeth is not empowerment.
-Not showering is not empowerment.
It’s called being dirty. Hygiene is good for you.
This has been a Tumblr PSA.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: damianblack on May 11, 2014, 11:44:16 am
just got this on my dash and it made so goddamn mad that i couldn't see straight.
http://swornsister.tumblr.com/post/85305774562/hey-intolerant-lgbtwxyz-queer-people-of-the-internet (http://swornsister.tumblr.com/post/85305774562/hey-intolerant-lgbtwxyz-queer-people-of-the-internet)
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Hey intolerant LGBTWXYZ queer people of the internet.

Just because you claim you didn’t choose your sexuality doesn’t mean we all have to be born this way. A lot of women chose to became lesbians.

Don’t like it? fuck you.

The male gay movement chose to push the “born this way, its not my fault god created me that way” narrative a long time ago. This doesn’t mean sexuality is not actually a social construct.

Go read a book. Suggestions are on my page.

i am not LGBTWXYZ, nor am i queer. so forget about the guilt tripping

I am a feminist. My only allegiance is with women.

My only aim to stop violence against women and girls. My only aim is the liberation of women from male violence.

Take the L out of LGBT we clearly are not fighting for the same thing.

Also if you are a man, get the fuck away from my page now. don’t comment on political lesbian post. this doesn’t not concern you.
i nearly got a rage stroke from this post alone, but their whole blog is maddeningly anger inducing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 11, 2014, 12:32:41 pm
Quote from: damianblack on May 11, 2014, 11:44:16 am
just got this on my dash and it made so goddamn mad that i couldn't see straight.
http://swornsister.tumblr.com/post/85305774562/hey-intolerant-lgbtwxyz-queer-people-of-the-internet (http://swornsister.tumblr.com/post/85305774562/hey-intolerant-lgbtwxyz-queer-people-of-the-internet)
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Hey intolerant LGBTWXYZ queer people of the internet.

Just because you claim you didn’t choose your sexuality doesn’t mean we all have to be born this way. A lot of women chose to became lesbians.

Don’t like it? fuck you.

The male gay movement chose to push the “born this way, its not my fault god created me that way” narrative a long time ago. This doesn’t mean sexuality is not actually a social construct.

Go read a book. Suggestions are on my page.

i am not LGBTWXYZ, nor am i queer. so forget about the guilt tripping

I am a feminist. My only allegiance is with women.

My only aim to stop violence against women and girls. My only aim is the liberation of women from male violence.

Take the L out of LGBT we clearly are not fighting for the same thing.

Also if you are a man, get the fuck away from my page now. don’t comment on political lesbian post. this doesn’t not concern you.
i nearly got a rage stroke from this post alone, but their whole blog is maddeningly anger inducing.
It's less anger inducing and more facepalm inducing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: damianblack on May 11, 2014, 01:01:39 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 11, 2014, 12:32:41 pm
Quote from: damianblack on May 11, 2014, 11:44:16 am
just got this on my dash and it made so goddamn mad that i couldn't see straight.
http://swornsister.tumblr.com/post/85305774562/hey-intolerant-lgbtwxyz-queer-people-of-the-internet (http://swornsister.tumblr.com/post/85305774562/hey-intolerant-lgbtwxyz-queer-people-of-the-internet)
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Hey intolerant LGBTWXYZ queer people of the internet.

Just because you claim you didn’t choose your sexuality doesn’t mean we all have to be born this way. A lot of women chose to became lesbians.

Don’t like it? fuck you.

The male gay movement chose to push the “born this way, its not my fault god created me that way” narrative a long time ago. This doesn’t mean sexuality is not actually a social construct.

Go read a book. Suggestions are on my page.

i am not LGBTWXYZ, nor am i queer. so forget about the guilt tripping

I am a feminist. My only allegiance is with women.

My only aim to stop violence against women and girls. My only aim is the liberation of women from male violence.

Take the L out of LGBT we clearly are not fighting for the same thing.

Also if you are a man, get the fuck away from my page now. don’t comment on political lesbian post. this doesn’t not concern you.
i nearly got a rage stroke from this post alone, but their whole blog is maddeningly anger inducing.
It's less anger inducing and more facepalm inducing.
i guess it's rage inducing to me because of my actual gay rights activism, as well as my father's (a gay man also), who was an activist who worked with harvey milk. it's just infuriating to have your work shit on by people like this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 11, 2014, 04:23:56 pm
Quote from: damianblack on May 11, 2014, 11:44:16 am
just got this on my dash and it made so goddamn mad that i couldn't see straight.
http://swornsister.tumblr.com/post/85305774562/hey-intolerant-lgbtwxyz-queer-people-of-the-internet (http://swornsister.tumblr.com/post/85305774562/hey-intolerant-lgbtwxyz-queer-people-of-the-internet)
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Hey intolerant LGBTWXYZ queer people of the internet.

Just because you claim you didn’t choose your sexuality doesn’t mean we all have to be born this way. A lot of women chose to became lesbians.

Don’t like it? fuck you.

The male gay movement chose to push the “born this way, its not my fault god created me that way” narrative a long time ago. This doesn’t mean sexuality is not actually a social construct.

Go read a book. Suggestions are on my page.

i am not LGBTWXYZ, nor am i queer. so forget about the guilt tripping

I am a feminist. My only allegiance is with women.

My only aim to stop violence against women and girls. My only aim is the liberation of women from male violence.

Take the L out of LGBT we clearly are not fighting for the same thing.

Also if you are a man, get the fuck away from my page now. don’t comment on political lesbian post. this doesn’t not concern you.
i nearly got a rage stroke from this post alone, but their whole blog is maddeningly anger inducing.

Is it possible that people who proclaim they "chose to be gay" are actually just bi? *actual question*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 11, 2014, 07:30:17 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 11, 2014, 04:23:56 pm
Is it possible that people who proclaim they "chose to be gay" are actually just bi? *actual question*

More than likely, I would imagine, considering that most people actually fit somewhere on the bi spectrum... though that statistic may have been disproven.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 11, 2014, 07:31:16 pm
Or maybe they're just attention whores.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 11, 2014, 09:08:31 pm
Speaking from my standpoint as a natural born lesbian, she can fuck right off.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 11, 2014, 10:05:26 pm
Oh please.  It's just a phase you're going through.  Once you're done with it you'll be able to settle down with a nice man and rai-*explodes*

Ironbite-*respawns*  Damn it I almost go through the bit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 11, 2014, 10:38:34 pm
This whole being straight thing is probably a phase. Some day, a nice woman will sweep me off my feet, and I'll be a lesbian like God intended. I mean, how can I know if I'm not a lesbian if I haven't dated a woman? And if being straight is natural, why are most women better at getting other women off than men? Obviously I'm in rebellion against Lesbigod.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on May 11, 2014, 10:48:10 pm
I hereby demand that all women engage in proper worship of Lesbigod. Take video.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 11, 2014, 11:17:09 pm
Quote from: damianblack on May 11, 2014, 11:44:16 am
just got this on my dash and it made so goddamn mad that i couldn't see straight.
http://swornsister.tumblr.com/post/85305774562/hey-intolerant-lgbtwxyz-queer-people-of-the-internet (http://swornsister.tumblr.com/post/85305774562/hey-intolerant-lgbtwxyz-queer-people-of-the-internet)
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Hey intolerant LGBTWXYZ queer people of the internet.

Just because you claim you didn’t choose your sexuality doesn’t mean we all have to be born this way. A lot of women chose to became lesbians.

Don’t like it? fuck you.

The male gay movement chose to push the “born this way, its not my fault god created me that way” narrative a long time ago. This doesn’t mean sexuality is not actually a social construct.

Go read a book. Suggestions are on my page.

i am not LGBTWXYZ, nor am i queer. so forget about the guilt tripping

I am a feminist. My only allegiance is with women.

My only aim to stop violence against women and girls. My only aim is the liberation of women from male violence.

Take the L out of LGBT we clearly are not fighting for the same thing.

Also if you are a man, get the fuck away from my page now. don’t comment on political lesbian post. this doesn’t not concern you.
i nearly got a rage stroke from this post alone, but their whole blog is maddeningly anger inducing.

Unfortunately, this political lesbianism seems to be growing in popularity on Tumblr. Most of these chicks are just bitter little troglodytes who have nothing better to do with their time then whine about men sitting on subways and how straight women wont fuck them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 11, 2014, 11:29:30 pm
I wonder how mad I can make them if they discover I, a man, am reblogging and ridiculing their posts...

Especially given my tumblr identity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 11, 2014, 11:31:05 pm
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G'day, Frogman. I noticed that, a few days ago, you answered an ask about a group helping people with silent illnesses. While I think that's an awesome thing to do, I found the post problematic-the anon listed autism and aspergers as examples. I can't stress hard enough that they are NOT illnesses. Our brains are wired differently. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with us. We need acceptance, not cures or treatments. I'm hoping you could help spread the word.

[NOTE: Not Frogman]

Getting really fucking sick of one member of a minority attempting to speak for the entire group. Knock it the fuck off.

I’m sorry you feel that way. My intention was not to speak for everyone on the spectrum. I was expressing my own opinion that cures and such aren’t needed. An opinion that I have just as much of a right to as you have to yours.

I don't have aspergers/autism, but I know some here do, so does it sound to you like the OP was speaking for everyone and not merely "stating an opinion"?   Because by presenting this as definite fact and requesting it be spread around as fact, not to mention their use of 'us', 'our', and 'we', makes it sound that way to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 11, 2014, 11:33:19 pm
I'm fairly certain that I don't have it (and that instead it's my ADHD causing these similar symptoms) but if someone had said that about ADHD, I would have said "Fuck you, it is a mental illness, stop trying to sugarcoat things that make lives hard for the people who have them."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on May 12, 2014, 12:11:09 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 11, 2014, 11:31:05 pm
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G'day, Frogman. I noticed that, a few days ago, you answered an ask about a group helping people with silent illnesses. While I think that's an awesome thing to do, I found the post problematic-the anon listed autism and aspergers as examples. I can't stress hard enough that they are NOT illnesses. Our brains are wired differently. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with us. We need acceptance, not cures or treatments. I'm hoping you could help spread the word.

[NOTE: Not Frogman]

Getting really fucking sick of one member of a minority attempting to speak for the entire group. Knock it the fuck off.

I’m sorry you feel that way. My intention was not to speak for everyone on the spectrum. I was expressing my own opinion that cures and such aren’t needed. An opinion that I have just as much of a right to as you have to yours.

I don't have aspergers/autism, but I know some here do, so does it sound to you like the OP was speaking for everyone and not merely "stating an opinion"?   Because by presenting this as definite fact and requesting it be spread around as fact, not to mention their use of 'us', 'our', and 'we', makes it sound that way to me.

Sure sounds that way to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 12, 2014, 12:41:42 am
Acceptance and understanding are great and all, but they only go so far when it comes to learning how to function in the world. Plus, it seems kind of douchey for someone who's relatively high functioning to talk about not needing treatment when there are lower functioning autistics who can't even take care of their own basic needs without 24/7 care... not to mention the people with autism who actually want treatment. Other people's quality of life shouldn't have to suffer for your own ideals.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 12, 2014, 10:09:30 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 12, 2014, 12:41:42 am
Acceptance and understanding are great and all, but they only go so far when it comes to learning how to function in the world. Plus, it seems kind of douchey for someone who's relatively high functioning to talk about not needing treatment when there are lower functioning autistics who can't even take care of their own basic needs without 24/7 care... not to mention the people with autism who actually want treatment. Other people's quality of life shouldn't have to suffer for your own ideals.

Ideals are the only things that matter.  Execution is for sheeple.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 12, 2014, 03:40:57 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/9rOcWMO.png)

It's really sad how a few small changes could make this a Stormfront post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 12, 2014, 03:46:17 pm
"Cold, dark, black soul[...]"

Someone needs to stop whacking off to New Black Panthers emo slashfic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on May 12, 2014, 04:38:23 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 12, 2014, 03:46:17 pm
"Cold, dark, black soul[...]"

Someone needs to stop whacking off to New Black Panthers emo slashfic.

CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIN

THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEAL
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 12, 2014, 05:03:17 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 12, 2014, 03:40:57 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/9rOcWMO.png)

It's really sad how a few small changes could make this a Stormfront post.
I'm guessing the person who mad this was mainly just venting about something personal probably.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 12, 2014, 10:36:09 pm
I dunno, if I was a black guy in this country, I'd probably be really scared of white people.

And I get angry at what scares me.

Still not an excuse to vent racist dialogue, though I will say that I understand why black people are racist towards white people, since so many of us like to claim positive responsibility for other peoples' hard work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 12, 2014, 11:19:53 pm
Eh. There's a big difference between the mistrust & resentment that develop beyond a person's control, and consciously embracing and even boasting about it. Any understanding I might have had stops as soon as someone crosses the line into outright hatred.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 13, 2014, 12:01:12 am
I meant like they were angered to the point they weren't thinking properly and just screaming a bunch of stupid crap.
You fucking fuckers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 13, 2014, 12:01:24 am
Stumbled upon this just now:

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Reasons for me refusing to go to college:
•The term “bachelor’s degree”. There is serious need of some gender neutrality here and it’s disgraceful that we still use this obsolete language in the 21st century. If you’re a proud, unapolagetic owner of a “bachelor’s degree” you need to be put down.
•The rampant androcentrism in higher education. Every college i’ve ever seen has come off as a hotseat of patriarchy and it just disgusts me. I get sick at the thought of learning from more crusty old cishet white males.
•My ignorant parents keep pushing me to go, and i’m fed up with their bullshit. Stop telling me how to live my fucking life.

"If you’re a proud, unapolagetic owner of a “bachelor’s degree” you need to be put down."

(http://i.imgur.com/voi5D6V.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 13, 2014, 12:04:20 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 13, 2014, 12:01:24 am
Stumbled upon this just now:

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Reasons for me refusing to go to college:
•The term “bachelor’s degree”. There is serious need of some gender neutrality here and it’s disgraceful that we still use this obsolete language in the 21st century. If you’re a proud, unapolagetic owner of a “bachelor’s degree” you need to be put down.
•The rampant androcentrism in higher education. Every college i’ve ever seen has come off as a hotseat of patriarchy and it just disgusts me. I get sick at the thought of learning from more crusty old cishet white males.
•My ignorant parents keep pushing me to go, and i’m fed up with their bullshit. Stop telling me how to live my fucking life.

"If you’re a proud, unapolagetic owner of a “bachelor’s degree” you need to be put down."

(http://i.imgur.com/voi5D6V.gif)
the two reasons I can see not wanting to go to college are
1.Debt.
2.Rape and harassment on campus, helped by a macho culture and god worship of athletes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 13, 2014, 07:23:51 am
Fortunately, part of #2 can be alleviated if there's a good college near you that has your major and has next to no focus on sports.  The college next to where I live has...a rugby team?  That's all I've heard about from them, and even then, nobody really seems to care about it.  So long as your college doesn't do football, you're cool.

Also, who wants to bet that whiny little cunt isn't even out of high school yet?  They sound like a stereotypical angsty teen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 13, 2014, 07:50:18 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 13, 2014, 07:23:51 am
Fortunately, part of #2 can be alleviated if there's a good college near you that has your major and has next to no focus on sports.  The college next to where I live has...a rugby team?  That's all I've heard about from them, and even then, nobody really seems to care about it.  So long as your college doesn't do football, you're cool.

Also, who wants to bet that whiny little cunt isn't even out of high school yet?  They sound like a stereotypical angsty teen.
Again, there's tons of reasons to be angry about college yet she chose the dumbest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on May 13, 2014, 10:40:43 am
Quote from: I am lizard on May 13, 2014, 12:04:20 am
2.Rape and harassment on campus, helped by a macho culture and god worship of athletes.

On the flip side of this, if you are an athlete, your post-secondary life is pretty much controlled completely by your team's coach and other personnel, especially if you're there on an athletic scholarship.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 13, 2014, 11:24:28 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 13, 2014, 12:01:24 am
Stumbled upon this just now:

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Reasons for me refusing to go to college:
•The term “bachelor’s degree”. There is serious need of some gender neutrality here and it’s disgraceful that we still use this obsolete language in the 21st century. If you’re a proud, unapolagetic owner of a “bachelor’s degree” you need to be put down.
•The rampant androcentrism in higher education. Every college i’ve ever seen has come off as a hotseat of patriarchy and it just disgusts me. I get sick at the thought of learning from more crusty old cishet white males.
•My ignorant parents keep pushing me to go, and i’m fed up with their bullshit. Stop telling me how to live my fucking life.

"If you’re a proud, unapolagetic owner of a “bachelor’s degree” you need to be put down."

(http://i.imgur.com/voi5D6V.gif)


1) $10 says they've never looked up the etymology of "bachelor's degree".

2) I hate to imagine how they feel about a master's.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 13, 2014, 02:20:50 pm
My thought is this screed came from #3 especially.

Ironbite-which is reasonable the but the tumblr SJW buzzwords just make me giggle.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 17, 2014, 06:57:47 pm
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If you save thousands from suffering death by killin one rat, it's OK.

If you change the word rat to 'baby' is it still ok?

If not, its not ok, that one rat's life is just as important to that rat as your life is to you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 17, 2014, 08:05:48 pm
My favorite way to kill rats is to put a few pieces of dry dog food into the toilet bowl, let 'em float overnight. Next morning, flush the drowned rat; they can't resist the dog food, and they don't realize the bowl is too smooth to jump out of from the water. I learned to do that when I lived in a big old run down house with a bunch of roomies, back in the day.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 17, 2014, 08:13:10 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on May 17, 2014, 08:05:48 pm
My favorite way to kill rats is to put a few pieces of dry dog food into the toilet bowl, let 'em float overnight. Next morning, flush the drowned rat; they can't resist the dog food, and they don't realize the bowl is too smooth to jump out of from the water. I learned to do that when I lived in a big old run down house with a bunch of roomies, back in the day.

Rats, or mice?  I'd think rats would clog your toilet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on May 17, 2014, 08:16:38 pm
We do that at work with a five gallon bucket, a 20 oz. plastic bottle smeared with peanut butter run through a wire rod, and a board.

We left for a week during the summer, due to the heat... and came back to fifteen dead mice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 17, 2014, 08:25:14 pm
That is...abominable.  Excuse me, I need to void my everything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 17, 2014, 08:31:23 pm
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If not, its not ok, that one rat's life is just as important to that rat as your life is to you.

While I've never read a rat's mind, I highly doubt they have the same profound appreciation for their own lives as humans have for ours. Not that any creature's life is worthless, but when you have the intellectual capacity to understand death and the ability to preemptively mourn for the loss of your life as a result, the value to assign your life is inevitably going to be higher than anything a rat is going to come up with. I doubt rodents have their lives flash before their eyes, think of loved ones, or grieve for everything they're going to miss out on if you a point a gun at them. So, yeah, actually, I'm gonna say that my life is more important to me than a rat's life is to a rat.

Hell, a rat's life is probably more important to me than it is to a rat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 17, 2014, 09:18:09 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 17, 2014, 08:25:14 pm
That is...abominable.  Excuse me, I need to void my everything.

I ... am similarly disturbed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on May 17, 2014, 09:32:01 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 17, 2014, 09:18:09 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 17, 2014, 08:25:14 pm
That is...abominable.  Excuse me, I need to void my everything.

I ... am similarly disturbed.

Well, I'm sorry if we don't enjoy having our stuff chewed through and worrying about mouse crap on and around our lunch table.  I'm sorry that if we didn't use this tactic, that if we had a city inspector come through and see that, we'd be fined about twenty grand for unsanitary and unsafe conditions.

The world ain't very pleasant sometimes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 17, 2014, 10:02:42 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on May 17, 2014, 09:32:01 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 17, 2014, 09:18:09 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 17, 2014, 08:25:14 pm
That is...abominable.  Excuse me, I need to void my everything.

I ... am similarly disturbed.

Well, I'm sorry if we don't enjoy having our stuff chewed through and worrying about mouse crap on and around our lunch table.  I'm sorry that if we didn't use this tactic, that if we had a city inspector come through and see that, we'd be fined about twenty grand for unsanitary and unsafe conditions.

The world ain't very pleasant sometimes.

It may be justifiable, but it's still disturbing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on May 17, 2014, 10:16:13 pm
Magus, you're my friend and I care for you greatly, but I'm not going to apologize for doing what we do to keep pests from over-running our workplace.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 17, 2014, 10:20:10 pm
It's a lot less cruel than those awful sticky goo traps or even spring traps, for that matter. My roomies and me came up with the toilet trick for that reason; watching a rat struggle in agony because it's spine was snapped, not it's neck, or seeing a little mouse all stretched out and contorted, squeaking in fear and pain, from struggling against the sticky goo really makes drowning seem the better alternative. And yes, unless the rat is quite large, it can be flushed. They're sleek and elongated, normally.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 17, 2014, 10:25:00 pm
We're (ostensibly) rat free in Alberta, so any wild rats that manage to cross the border are met with an instant death sentence. Pet rats are banned, too, and you face fines if you're caught with them (especially if they get free and breed). It's a dismal place for rodent-kind.

I hate spring traps. My dad set some up when we had a mouse problem back when I was a kid, and promptly got rid of them after finding a mouse stuck in one with its abdomen crushed, still very much alive and in pain. My dad had to put the poor creature out of its misery by whacking it with a heavy book. I'm just glad that my cats pretty much keep the mice away from where I'm living; we had a couple hiding out in the basement when I first moved in, but those disappeared pretty quickly. I try not to think about how they might have met their end.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 17, 2014, 10:30:02 pm
Me, I'm just reminded of Silva's rat monologue from Skyfall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0dFsAtAlEo
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 17, 2014, 11:15:35 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on May 17, 2014, 10:16:13 pm
Magus, you're my friend and I care for you greatly, but I'm not going to apologize for doing what we do to keep pests from over-running our workplace.

Did I ask you to apologize?  I simply stated my feelings about the matter.

I'd prefer it if we didn't have to exterminate them in the first place.  After all, they were here before we were.

But our needs naturally have to come first, so it has to be done.

But that still doesn't mean it's not disturbing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 17, 2014, 11:18:58 pm
My prototype for a humane rat trap got me several visits from the FBI.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 17, 2014, 11:41:17 pm
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/6143eb40bb7c61f1c7d28ef6ceac0663/tumblr_n4f3b8xyL91ryeto5o1_500.png)

It's not a gendered word because it has "men" in it. Learn some damn entomology.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on May 17, 2014, 11:58:58 pm
You really get the feeling that these people want to entirely eliminate the word men from the English language.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 18, 2014, 12:02:22 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 17, 2014, 11:41:17 pm
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/6143eb40bb7c61f1c7d28ef6ceac0663/tumblr_n4f3b8xyL91ryeto5o1_500.png)

It's not a gendered word because it has "men" in it. Learn some damn entomology.

m*ningitis

dim*ntia

ferm*nt

m*ntal
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on May 18, 2014, 12:19:33 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 17, 2014, 11:15:35 pm
I'd prefer it if we didn't have to exterminate them in the first place.  After all, they were here before we were.

I'm in full agreement here.  I actually enjoy mice, and once had a few as pets when I was younger.  Here, though, in our house? We can't afford the risk, same as at work.  One gnawed wire, and the whole place might burn to the ground.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 18, 2014, 12:56:16 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 17, 2014, 09:18:09 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 17, 2014, 08:25:14 pm
That is...abominable.  Excuse me, I need to void my everything.

I ... am similarly disturbed.

Me, I've come to appreciate Cerim a lot more than I did before. I have got to do that myself. The mechanisms sound...deliciously fiendish.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on May 18, 2014, 01:18:08 am
Quote from: niam2023 on May 18, 2014, 12:56:16 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 17, 2014, 09:18:09 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 17, 2014, 08:25:14 pm
That is...abominable.  Excuse me, I need to void my everything.

I ... am similarly disturbed.

Me, I've come to appreciate Cerim a lot more than I did before. I have got to do that myself. The mechanisms sound...deliciously fiendish.

I'd like to state for the record that I don't enjoy it.  We do it because it's necessary.  Naught more.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 18, 2014, 02:20:30 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 17, 2014, 11:41:17 pm
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/6143eb40bb7c61f1c7d28ef6ceac0663/tumblr_n4f3b8xyL91ryeto5o1_500.png)

It's not a gendered word because it has "men" in it. Learn some damn entomology.

I'm pretty sure "menstruation" traces its origins back to the Latin term for "monthly", no doubt passed into English through French (where the "mens" root survives in terms like -- wait for it -- "menstruation", as well as "mensuel", the latter of which directly translates to "monthly" [take a wild guess what "menstruation" means]).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 18, 2014, 08:04:44 am
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on May 18, 2014, 01:18:08 am
Quote from: niam2023 on May 18, 2014, 12:56:16 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 17, 2014, 09:18:09 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 17, 2014, 08:25:14 pm
That is...abominable.  Excuse me, I need to void my everything.

I ... am similarly disturbed.

Me, I've come to appreciate Cerim a lot more than I did before. I have got to do that myself. The mechanisms sound...deliciously fiendish.

I'd like to state for the record that I don't enjoy it.  We do it because it's necessary.  Naught more.

For a few bucks, you could easily make a trap like what they use to catch feral cats and the like.  Once you've caught something (or a few somethings), take 'em out to a field or somesuch and release them where they belong.  They'll be scared for a little while, but they'll live.

Also, I kinda expected that from Niam.  The boy's a sociopath, that's...just how he operates.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 18, 2014, 12:21:40 pm
From what I understand, being unable to empathize with animals at all is actually a potential symptom of sociopathy - after all, if you have no empathy for other human beings (apologies if I'm oversimplifying it) then why would you have an ounce for "lower animals"?

This is not the same as being desensitized to the slaughter of animals, such as with hunting and farming.  Though there's a point where that can go too far, too.

Then, of course, there's the psychopaths who, generally speaking, start off by torturing animals for amusement.

Of course, I could be talking out of my ass about all this, and if I am, I apologize.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 18, 2014, 03:26:54 pm
If I remember my AP psych class right, then you're actually spot-on, Zacky.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 19, 2014, 01:58:53 am
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/2c92c6a43fe48cf484e57028cc6622c0/tumblr_n5fl7ujqxl1t93xmxo1_500.png)

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/95cb11ff2815d8ccf75405f3d930daee/tumblr_n5st2wZjJQ1sxs2mko1_400.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/8d3b9f6083708c5d105e9d1f499cf5a7/tumblr_n5rwy2WBK61r2fshwo3_400.png)


That particular layout is pretty popular, so these may not be the same blog. I know where the first one came from and I tried to check if they're responsible for the other two, but I could only stand the first four pages.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 19, 2014, 04:57:07 am
My earliest memory is of puking after eating too much chili. I am severely triggered right now. Images of half digested, delicious chili, spewing forth from my mouth... not reaching the toilet in time, and staining my god parents' rug... my onesie, ruined... will this torment never end?

You've made a powerful enemy today, Robot.

Edit:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/62d026a2c835c9c9b0c10fdbbbf2499b/tumblr_n5t9xqgn2w1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on May 19, 2014, 08:19:45 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 19, 2014, 04:57:07 am
My earliest memory is of puking after eating too much chili. I am severely triggered right now. Images of half digested, delicious chili, spewing forth from my mouth... not reaching the toilet in time, and staining my god parents' rug... my onesie, ruined... will this torment never end?

You've made a powerful enemy today, Robot!

Was it a nice onsie? I'd be triggered by that. Onesies are serious goddamn business.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 19, 2014, 10:11:29 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 19, 2014, 01:58:53 am
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/2c92c6a43fe48cf484e57028cc6622c0/tumblr_n5fl7ujqxl1t93xmxo1_500.png)

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/95cb11ff2815d8ccf75405f3d930daee/tumblr_n5st2wZjJQ1sxs2mko1_400.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/8d3b9f6083708c5d105e9d1f499cf5a7/tumblr_n5rwy2WBK61r2fshwo3_400.png)


That particular layout is pretty popular, so these may not be the same blog. I know where the first one came from and I tried to check if they're responsible for the other two, but I could only stand the first four pages.

Okay, if they are for realsies about all that, I think their triggering thing was they were reminded that they are not actually mentally human any more, and an innocent random question generator app, which is much more humane in personality, was the messenger they needed to kill...

My earliest human memory was of getting all bit up and stung when I walked over a mound of fire ants when I was a bit less than 3 years old. I screamed and screamed for my mommy, even though I knew she was downtown, but did not have the concept of how far my voice could travel. It was also my first lesson in learning to trust and love an adult other than my mom or dad. The black lady my mom had just hired to help her clean the house that day was a stranger to me, but she was so sweet and calm and loving and helpful, rescuing me from the ants, treating my bites, holding me in her lap as I cried. I never did develop any real kind of inculcated bigotry or fear of blacks as most of my peers did, growing up in the South in the sixties, and I'm pretty sure that early rescue incident played a big role in that. But, I actually did suffer a recurring physical reaction of panic and "creepy crawly" gooseflesh every time I saw red ants for years after. Actual, genuine triggering! Didn't get over that until I was almost 30.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 19, 2014, 04:29:48 pm
I'm sorry, I should have included all the Tumblrbot posts for better context. Either this person is an epic Poe, or they're actually freaking out over Tumblrbot.

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/f400b375d71bed3a3d8e377953c52831/tumblr_n5fl7ujqxl1t93xmxo3_500.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/3e87e63807bcd2ec4ab07c898a3aa481/tumblr_n5fl7ujqxl1t93xmxo2_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on May 19, 2014, 04:40:56 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 19, 2014, 04:29:48 pm
I'm sorry, I should have included all the Tumblrbot posts for better context. Either this person is an epic Poe, or they're actually freaking out over Tumblrbot.

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/f400b375d71bed3a3d8e377953c52831/tumblr_n5fl7ujqxl1t93xmxo3_500.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/3e87e63807bcd2ec4ab07c898a3aa481/tumblr_n5fl7ujqxl1t93xmxo2_500.png)

(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001849885/4350272065_tumblr_l3f88jGpf31qaame0o1_500_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 19, 2014, 04:49:50 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 19, 2014, 04:29:48 pm
I'm sorry, I should have included all the Tumblrbot posts for better context. Either this person is an epic Poe, or they're actually freaking out over Tumblrbot.

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/f400b375d71bed3a3d8e377953c52831/tumblr_n5fl7ujqxl1t93xmxo3_500.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/3e87e63807bcd2ec4ab07c898a3aa481/tumblr_n5fl7ujqxl1t93xmxo2_500.png)
I'm going with "Poe"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on May 19, 2014, 06:16:24 pm
I'm going with dumbass.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on May 19, 2014, 06:16:43 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 19, 2014, 04:49:50 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 19, 2014, 04:29:48 pm
I'm sorry, I should have included all the Tumblrbot posts for better context. Either this person is an epic Poe, or they're actually freaking out over Tumblrbot.

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/f400b375d71bed3a3d8e377953c52831/tumblr_n5fl7ujqxl1t93xmxo3_500.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/3e87e63807bcd2ec4ab07c898a3aa481/tumblr_n5fl7ujqxl1t93xmxo2_500.png)
I'm going with "Poe"

I hope so, 'coz if there's a person on this planet who would genuinley compare being asked,"Robots or dinosaurs?" to being raped then I'm just about done with the human race.

It might not be up there with genocide, for example, for things to be annoyed about with humanity but straws and camels' backs and all that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on May 19, 2014, 06:27:21 pm
This is going too far... (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/warning-the-literary-canon-could-make-students-squirm.html)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 19, 2014, 06:28:18 pm
I think I'd like to visit this person's tumblr page. For...reasons. Not good reasons, but reasons.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 19, 2014, 07:01:12 pm
Quote from: Randomwolf42 on May 19, 2014, 06:27:21 pm
This is going too far... (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/warning-the-literary-canon-could-make-students-squirm.html)

I can understand for cases of rape or extreme violence. But for "The Great Gatsby." No. It's your professors job to teach you, not to coddle you. As my English professor used to say, "This is college not high school."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on May 19, 2014, 08:31:00 pm
I think it's a given that if you're going to study the literary canon, you are going to encounter some things that are uncomfortable. You're going to encounter a lot of values you disagree with, you're going to encounter a lot of things that will piss you off and upset you and, depending on past experiences, may even relate to painful memories, but in many cases, that's the point. Literature is full of people writing about their pain, or the pain of others, and the point is generally to make you, the reader, empathize with those characters. It's not going to be all rainbows and kittens, by definition.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on May 19, 2014, 08:39:09 pm
I dont mind the concept, but if you get one overly sensitive student that claims a trigger on the color green (hyperbole but you should get my point) then the prof could be completely fucked
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 19, 2014, 08:45:51 pm
Oh good the tumblr idiots are going to collage.

Ironbite-real world is gonna be fun for them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Yla on May 20, 2014, 06:13:24 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 17, 2014, 11:41:17 pm
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/6143eb40bb7c61f1c7d28ef6ceac0663/tumblr_n4f3b8xyL91ryeto5o1_500.png)

It's not a gendered word because it has "men" in it. Learn some damn entomology.
Entomology is insects. Where words come from is etymology.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 20, 2014, 07:45:32 am
Though, learning some entomology couldn't hurt them, either.  Broadening horizons and all that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on May 20, 2014, 08:17:57 am
Quote from: Randomwolf42 on May 19, 2014, 06:27:21 pm
This is going too far... (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/warning-the-literary-canon-could-make-students-squirm.html)

Under no circumstances should any of those people read any Cormac McCarthy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 20, 2014, 01:27:32 pm
Quote from: Yla on May 20, 2014, 06:13:24 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 17, 2014, 11:41:17 pm
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/6143eb40bb7c61f1c7d28ef6ceac0663/tumblr_n4f3b8xyL91ryeto5o1_500.png)

It's not a gendered word because it has "men" in it. Learn some damn entomology.
Entomology is insects. Where words come from is etymology.

Sorry, must have chose the wrong word on the spell check.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on May 20, 2014, 03:32:42 pm
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wrong_superhero.png) (http://xkcd.com/1012/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 20, 2014, 05:11:10 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3425ccf1b5376800ec2e42c856273f7a/tumblr_n45m63vZ8O1rkx9nqo3_500.jpg)

Yeah no.
If you're emotionally distressed that a complete stranger drinking a milkshake sends you into hysterics then that's your problem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 20, 2014, 05:13:40 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 20, 2014, 05:11:10 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3425ccf1b5376800ec2e42c856273f7a/tumblr_n45m63vZ8O1rkx9nqo3_500.jpg)

Yeah no.
If you're emotionally distressed that a complete stranger drinking a milkshake sends you into hysterics then that's your problem.
[TRIGGERING INTENSIFIES]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on May 20, 2014, 07:30:05 pm
Hey veganfags, I'm gonna trigger you

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Baby_back_ribs.JPG)

Enjoy your hysterics and wrist-cutting :3
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 20, 2014, 07:46:38 pm
Oh fuck you now I want that
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on May 20, 2014, 08:00:37 pm
[heavy breathing]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on May 20, 2014, 08:13:59 pm
Dammit, Solar, I just ate and now you made me hungry again!

And I'm a SUCKER for ribs!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 20, 2014, 08:18:11 pm
On topic.

This quote is not an example of "Worst of Social Justice", but it is a good commentary on it.

Quote
so much of this website is just outcasts bullying other outcasts for not being the right kind of outcast

So that pretty much sums up the worst aspects of tumblrjustice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 20, 2014, 09:33:53 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on May 20, 2014, 07:30:05 pm
Hey veganfags, I'm gonna trigger you

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Baby_back_ribs.JPG)

Enjoy your hysterics and wrist-cutting :3

I'm quoting this because it belongs on every page.

Ironbite-also my parents smoke their ribs now.  So...so good.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 20, 2014, 11:25:59 pm
Oh, fuck all of you, that made me hungry.

Good thing I am going to a restaurant that serves very good ribs tomorrow. Serves em with fries. Delicious. Just delicious.

Especially when the sauce gets on the fries.

Also, my opinion on Tumblrjustice: Its basically people who have been deprived their whole lives of the popularity and esteem of some of their peers. They latch on enviously to certain people and identities, identifying as anything and everything that would give them moral authority over their much-envied peers. They're outcasts, plain and simple. And while striving for equality is admirable, what they want is not equality - they want their "club" to be top of the heap. Rather than respect, they want power concentrated in their own club, excluding anyone who is not a part of their club. Unaware of the irony of this, that this same kind of value judgement and ideal is used by the people they envied. They try to avoid challenges to their beliefs by trumping up what counts as a trigger, and call people insulting names to attempt to force them to accede the moral high ground - again, same deal with their old enemies.

Tumblr's SJWs are basically a course on dramatic irony.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on May 20, 2014, 11:37:28 pm
You're welcome ^^
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on May 21, 2014, 09:41:36 pm
Creating food and cooking thread tomorrow after I get home from work? that sound good?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 21, 2014, 11:57:05 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on May 20, 2014, 11:25:59 pm
Oh, fuck all of you, that made me hungry.

Good thing I am going to a restaurant that serves very good ribs tomorrow. Serves em with fries. Delicious. Just delicious.

Especially when the sauce gets on the fries.

Also, my opinion on Tumblrjustice: Its basically people who have been deprived their whole lives of the popularity and esteem of some of their peers. They latch on enviously to certain people and identities, identifying as anything and everything that would give them moral authority over their much-envied peers. They're outcasts, plain and simple. And while striving for equality is admirable, what they want is not equality - they want their "club" to be top of the heap. Rather than respect, they want power concentrated in their own club, excluding anyone who is not a part of their club. Unaware of the irony of this, that this same kind of value judgement and ideal is used by the people they envied. They try to avoid challenges to their beliefs by trumping up what counts as a trigger, and call people insulting names to attempt to force them to accede the moral high ground - again, same deal with their old enemies.

Tumblr's SJWs are basically a course on dramatic irony.
I think they're just a bunch of badly misguided JOHNLOCK fans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 23, 2014, 02:54:00 pm
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/760/688/511.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 23, 2014, 06:54:52 pm
Since when is anyone on tumblr straight anyway?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on May 24, 2014, 01:09:56 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e8f6fd0fae252195f9636ffbb0f2deb4/tumblr_n621kxbv931ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4h4fjVKx01rwcc6bo1_500.gif)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/33bccd6c4c2dc14d666963dd686dfb6e/tumblr_n53ktqG8M51ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://media.tumblr.com/5251abe21f3bc87268445670d3a18c33/tumblr_inline_mq7n6jCQYt1qz4rgp.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 24, 2014, 05:22:08 pm
What is it with these people and the labels? And "Cyber bullying survivor"?
Anything to be a victim I guess.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 24, 2014, 06:03:07 pm
Quote from: Damen on May 24, 2014, 01:09:56 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e8f6fd0fae252195f9636ffbb0f2deb4/tumblr_n621kxbv931ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Now I just want to tap her on the shoulder repeatedly and see what happens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on May 24, 2014, 06:45:12 pm
Quote from: Damen on May 24, 2014, 01:09:56 pm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/e8f6fd0fae252195f9636ffbb0f2deb4/tumblr_n621kxbv931ryeto5o1_1280.png)
The intellectually disabled part sounds about right... but not for the reasons she's listing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on May 24, 2014, 09:26:54 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 24, 2014, 05:22:08 pm
What is it with these people and the labels? And "Cyber bullying survivor"?
Anything to be a victim I guess.

Whoever has the most tragic/special backstory gets to insult everyone else with impunity, I assume.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 24, 2014, 11:05:33 pm
Quote
disregard trans dudes

their safety isn’t as important as trans girls

(http://i.imgur.com/kdxvlnR.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 24, 2014, 11:08:41 pm
Would it be inaccurate to describe TERFs as misogynists?

Because when you break down what they're saying, they're basically being misogynists.  Especially when being "misandrist."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 24, 2014, 11:13:25 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 24, 2014, 11:08:41 pm
Would it be inaccurate to describe TERFs as misogynists?

Because when you break down what they're saying, they're basically being misogynists.  Especially when being "misandrist."
Let's tell them that.  Ten bucks says their heads explode.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 24, 2014, 11:58:02 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 24, 2014, 11:13:25 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 24, 2014, 11:08:41 pm
Would it be inaccurate to describe TERFs as misogynists?

Because when you break down what they're saying, they're basically being misogynists.  Especially when being "misandrist."
Let's tell them that.  Ten bucks says their heads explode.

Ten bucks say nothing happens other than they get angry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 24, 2014, 11:59:50 pm
If their being both, wouldn't that make them a misanthrope?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 25, 2014, 12:16:51 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on May 24, 2014, 11:59:50 pm
If their being both, wouldn't that make them a misanthrope?

I wouldn't think so - a misanthrope seems to just hate society in general, but the way some of these TERFs (and radfems) talk about women, you'd think they were helpless creatures with no sexuality.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on May 25, 2014, 07:13:33 am
Men can't call themselves Feminists because reasons. (http://imgur.com/a/BHJWv)

Well, if Tumblr was my first encounter with feminists, I wouldn't want to call myself one either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 25, 2014, 11:19:26 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 24, 2014, 11:08:41 pm
Would it be inaccurate to describe TERFs as misogynists?

If what you care about as accuracy, call them transphobic. If you want to piss them off, sure, call them misogynists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 25, 2014, 04:13:32 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on May 25, 2014, 11:19:26 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 24, 2014, 11:08:41 pm
Would it be inaccurate to describe TERFs as misogynists?

If what you care about as accuracy, call them transphobic. If you want to piss them off, sure, call them misogynists.

I say we just call them a horde of moronic barbarians.  Or arseholes, if you want to be concise.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 25, 2014, 04:14:47 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 25, 2014, 04:13:32 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on May 25, 2014, 11:19:26 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 24, 2014, 11:08:41 pm
Would it be inaccurate to describe TERFs as misogynists?

If what you care about as accuracy, call them transphobic. If you want to piss them off, sure, call them misogynists.

I say we just call them a horde of moronic barbarians.  Or arseholes, if you want to be concise.

I accept this compromise.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 26, 2014, 01:07:57 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f0fffb2eb56df13adc7dac07beac1fd9/tumblr_n4wysbUIn31tactgzo1_500.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Yla on May 26, 2014, 06:46:53 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 26, 2014, 01:07:57 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f0fffb2eb56df13adc7dac07beac1fd9/tumblr_n4wysbUIn31tactgzo1_500.png)
And the award for missing the point goes to...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 26, 2014, 08:34:06 am
I hate that fucking emoticon.  That fucking emoticon style in general.  I don't know why, but it infuriates me to my very core.  Its like the emoticon version of pop music.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on May 26, 2014, 09:02:43 am
Specifically J-Pop
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 26, 2014, 01:32:11 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 26, 2014, 01:07:57 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f0fffb2eb56df13adc7dac07beac1fd9/tumblr_n4wysbUIn31tactgzo1_500.png)
Could you explain the bad part to me?
I have a feeling I'm missing something in this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on May 26, 2014, 02:29:47 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on May 26, 2014, 08:34:06 am
I hate that fucking emoticon.  That fucking emoticon style in general.  I don't know why, but it infuriates me to my very core.  Its like the emoticon version of pop music.

I don't know which is worse; that or people who use character sprites from Dangan Ronpa (basically Battle Royale: The Visual Novel, with an adorably evil-mastermind critter to rival Puella Magi Madoka Magica's Kyubey). They all make these shitty posts more smug.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 26, 2014, 05:43:49 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 26, 2014, 01:32:11 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 26, 2014, 01:07:57 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f0fffb2eb56df13adc7dac07beac1fd9/tumblr_n4wysbUIn31tactgzo1_500.png)
Could you explain the bad part to me?
I have a feeling I'm missing something in this.

There's a subset of "trans" people on tumblr who say you can be trans without feeling any sort of dysphoria about your body whatsoever, even though that's pretty much the defining characteristic of being trans.  They call other trans people who disagree with them "truscum", and accuse them of wanting to be cis like it's an insult, despite the fact that, yeah, that's the whole point of transitioning.  I think some of them also view being trans as some sort of special "other" gender.  Some apparently accuse trans people who want to transition as being "transphobic" and suffering from internalized cissexism.

This post is basically saying that, since "truscum" want to be cis and also that you must experience dysphoria to be trans, then they should already be viewing non-dysphoric trans people as cis, so logically the feeling of dysphoria is in their head and should stop feeling dysphoric, then they'd be cis like they wanted.  I'm pretty sure the second response is mocking the first one, saying that would be like telling depressed people to just be happy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 26, 2014, 07:26:21 pm
Ahh
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 26, 2014, 09:49:41 pm
So, idislikecispeople  (｡☉౪ ⊙｡) is a defacto cisperson who is appropriating transsexual issues. And Japanese emoticons.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 26, 2014, 11:43:56 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on May 26, 2014, 09:49:41 pm
So, idislikecispeople  (｡☉౪ ⊙｡) is a defacto cisperson who is appropriating transsexual issues. And Japanese emoticons.
Ehh, I talked to them for a bit, xir seemed relatively nice at the time, but I'm guessing they did something assholish recently.
They also said they grew up with some asshole family so I'm guessing they're unstable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on May 27, 2014, 12:19:07 am
Gah that truscum concept is confusing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 12:56:15 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on May 27, 2014, 12:19:07 am
Gah that truscum concept is confusing.
All I can tell is they're massive weebadoos.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 27, 2014, 01:12:40 am
After some deliberation, I decided to put this here:

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Let me tell you a story frogman. There was a friend of mine who was raped by a women who refused to take no after he repeatedly said he had a GF, she had at least 40 lbs on him, wasn’t much he could have done. When all was said and done she threatened to tell the cops he rapes her if he tried to tell anyone.

Another friend was physically and verbally abused and raped by an abusive girlfriend, and even by a man, she brought in, TO RAPE HIM.

Another friend of mine was publicly emasculated in front of his friends because he didn’t want to have sex with his girlfriend, what a fucking crime huh? Not wanting to fuck at every available time makes him not a real man right?

My cousin? Raped, just barely in his teens by a woman in her late twenties. But them male teenagers are just so horny he probably had it coming didn’t he?

Another friend was drugged, passed out unconscious, before being carried off and raped by two women. Oh wait, dat one was me. Add to that some sexual molestation by a baby sitter when I was a child.

I’ve had women call me gay for not being interested in them, I’ve been molested by women after telling them to leave me alone, had abusive girlfriends, creepy ass fucking stalkers, I’ve had prior bosses force me to get half naked for my paycheck.

All these stories, not one was taken seriously by the authorities, by friends, by women or society as a whole.

You can go fuck right the hell off with this erasing male victims bullshit so you can brown nose up to feminists. This white knight routine got your dick sucked for you at least yet? Hope it was worth throwing half the population under the bus for attempts at pity sex.

Yeah, way to ruin a good point with "fuk u feminizm!".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 27, 2014, 01:18:11 am
"All these stories, not one was taken seriously...."

Hey, you know whose fault that is?  MEN!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on May 27, 2014, 01:35:28 am
Magus: It's not men, it's society (specifically US society by the sounds of things but it is across a number of societies). There isn't a group of 6 men smoking pipes which make up "the Patriarchy" - although that would be kind of cool.

As for the response to Frogman: I don't know whether I am being too cynical but it sounds like bullshit too me. Unless female on male sexual assault is far more prevalent wherever/whenever this kid grew up, neither myself nor any of my male friends or relatives have any experiences remotely comparable. The fact that was what Frogman was getting at - rather than saying male victims don't exist  - and the sheer number of instances makes me suspicious. If it weren't bullshit (lying for the patriarchy - like lying for jesus) I would have expected him to say - that he has experiences like Frognman's friend and so do his friends and list them. That Frogman's lack of experience in this events is personal to him and not a product of his gender. So I am taking the post with the rather large bag of salt I carry my crackers in.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 27, 2014, 07:55:32 am
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/8439d56c05ac2a773b7e7625b043499b/tumblr_n47ohn4tuQ1rwe8bro1_500.gif)

Full comic here:

http://askthebuffyfandomorluesmainblog.tumblr.com/post/83070753225/sorry-for-the-crappy-ms-paint-guys-i-made-this (http://askthebuffyfandomorluesmainblog.tumblr.com/post/83070753225/sorry-for-the-crappy-ms-paint-guys-i-made-this)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on May 27, 2014, 07:58:34 am
That looks like a Poe to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 27, 2014, 08:04:07 am
Her comments and responses to people (such as editing out the comparison to LGBT issues after she was called out) indicate that it's legit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Yla on May 27, 2014, 08:24:08 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on May 26, 2014, 05:43:49 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 26, 2014, 01:32:11 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 26, 2014, 01:07:57 am
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Could you explain the bad part to me?
I have a feeling I'm missing something in this.

There's a subset of "trans" people on tumblr who say you can be trans without feeling any sort of dysphoria about your body whatsoever, even though that's pretty much the defining characteristic of being trans.  They call other trans people who disagree with them "truscum", and accuse them of wanting to be cis like it's an insult, despite the fact that, yeah, that's the whole point of transitioning.  I think some of them also view being trans as some sort of special "other" gender.  Some apparently accuse trans people who want to transition as being "transphobic" and suffering from internalized cissexism.

This post is basically saying that, since "truscum" want to be cis and also that you must experience dysphoria to be trans, then they should already be viewing non-dysphoric trans people as cis, so logically the feeling of dysphoria is in their head and should stop feeling dysphoric, then they'd be cis like they wanted.  I'm pretty sure the second response is mocking the first one, saying that would be like telling depressed people to just be happy.
Huh. Funnily enough, I missed that aspect and got a different reading from the snippet. I identified the bolded sentence as sarcasm to demonstrate the absurdity. The second response would then miss that and take it seriously.
Poe's Law in action I guess. I was a bit confused by the first two sentences, but not knowing what 'truscum' is (I took it for a username) that was the most sense I managed to decipher.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 10:34:37 am
Quote from: davedan on May 27, 2014, 01:35:28 am
Magus: It's not men, it's society (specifically US society by the sounds of things but it is across a number of societies).
A society which values masculinity over anything else tho.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2014, 04:49:59 pm
Quote
A Song of Ice and Fire is fucking misogynistic! I mean, look at how the women are treated!
Look, there's a big difference between the setting being misogynistic and the story being misogynistic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 27, 2014, 04:53:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2014, 04:49:59 pm
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A Song of Ice and Fire is fucking misogynistic! I mean, look at how the women are treated!
Look, there's a big difference between the setting being misogynistic and the story being misogynistic.

I'm pretty sure the men don't have it so great, either.  Westeros seems to be a shitty place to exist in.  I haven't actually seen the show or read the books though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cataclysm on May 27, 2014, 04:57:46 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on May 27, 2014, 05:20:04 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2014, 04:49:59 pm
Quote
A Song of Ice and Fire is fucking misogynistic! I mean, look at how the women are treated!
Look, there's a big difference between the setting being misogynistic and the story being misogynistic.

In fact, I think it's rather more sexist to pretend that rape doesn't characterise war.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 06:25:51 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2014, 04:49:59 pm
Quote
A Song of Ice and Fire is fucking misogynistic! I mean, look at how the women are treated!
Look, there's a big difference between the setting being misogynistic and the story being misogynistic.
I have heard some legitimate criticisms on how the story depicts statutory rape, I haven't read the book so I can't make an informed opinion.

This comment is still stupid though.

 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 27, 2014, 07:20:24 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 06:25:51 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2014, 04:49:59 pm
Quote
A Song of Ice and Fire is fucking misogynistic! I mean, look at how the women are treated!
Look, there's a big difference between the setting being misogynistic and the story being misogynistic.
I have heard some legitimate criticisms on how the story depicts statutory rape, I haven't read the book so I can't make an informed opinion.

Eh, it's a bit iffy to apply modern notions about statutory rape to a story set in a medieval world.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 27, 2014, 07:36:10 pm
Quote from: Cataclysm on May 27, 2014, 04:57:46 pm
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10330425_240180666181307_4305544670425664207_n.jpg)

Fuck you, SJW. Fuck you up your damn ass with the biggest cactus I can find.

Men don't have to worry about body image as much as women. Bull fucking shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on May 27, 2014, 07:41:01 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on May 27, 2014, 07:36:10 pm
Quote from: Cataclysm on May 27, 2014, 04:57:46 pm
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10330425_240180666181307_4305544670425664207_n.jpg)

Fuck you, SJW. Fuck you up your damn ass with the biggest cactus I can find.

Men don't have to worry about body image as much as women. Bull fucking shit.

THANK YOU.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on May 27, 2014, 07:58:03 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 27, 2014, 07:20:24 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 06:25:51 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2014, 04:49:59 pm
Quote
A Song of Ice and Fire is fucking misogynistic! I mean, look at how the women are treated!
Look, there's a big difference between the setting being misogynistic and the story being misogynistic.
I have heard some legitimate criticisms on how the story depicts statutory rape, I haven't read the book so I can't make an informed opinion.

Eh, it's a bit iffy to apply modern notions about statutory rape to a story set in a medieval world.
Statutory rape is a weird concept even in our modern world, though. I mean, I realise why it exist (even thought the word "rape" is a shitty word to use in this context, since you know, consensual sex as rape is a big nope), but there's juste no magical barrier at 18 years old that'd justify such a concept.

And with that, I'm done : if anyone wants to talk about that subject more, it'd be better to open another topic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 08:13:38 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on May 27, 2014, 07:36:10 pm
Quote from: Cataclysm on May 27, 2014, 04:57:46 pm
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10330425_240180666181307_4305544670425664207_n.jpg)

Fuck you, SJW. Fuck you up your damn ass with the biggest cactus I can find.

Men don't have to worry about body image as much as women. Bull fucking shit.

Well men don't need to worry about there body as much as women do. Yeah there's some things guys have to deal with relating to body image, but it's not nearly the same standards as women.

And yes, I do think Tumblrite is an ass.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 08:28:27 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on May 27, 2014, 07:58:03 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 27, 2014, 07:20:24 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 06:25:51 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2014, 04:49:59 pm
Quote
A Song of Ice and Fire is fucking misogynistic! I mean, look at how the women are treated!
Look, there's a big difference between the setting being misogynistic and the story being misogynistic.
I have heard some legitimate criticisms on how the story depicts statutory rape, I haven't read the book so I can't make an informed opinion.

Eh, it's a bit iffy to apply modern notions about statutory rape to a story set in a medieval world.
Statutory rape is a weird concept even in our modern world, though. I mean, I realise why it exist (even thought the word "rape" is a shitty word to use in this context, since you know, consensual sex as rape is a big nope), but there's juste no magical barrier at 18 years old that'd justify such a concept.

And with that, I'm done : if anyone wants to talk about that subject more, it'd be better to open another topic.
Consensual sex can be rape if the victim isn't in the proper state of mind to make the decision, see having sex with someone intoxicated.
(And yes, 18 years is pretty arbitrary and really not based on any scientific data.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on May 27, 2014, 08:29:40 pm
The whole point isn't that it is rape because they are intoxicated but because if you are TOO intoxicated you cannot consent.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 08:43:36 pm
Quote from: davedan on May 27, 2014, 08:29:40 pm
The whole point isn't that it is rape because they are intoxicated but because if you are TOO intoxicated you cannot consent.
I know that, and if you're to you-
y'know what, let's just say having sex with someone who's too young is wrong and should probably make you wind up on some kind of watch-list or whatnot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on May 27, 2014, 08:51:26 pm
Yeah I agree that it's not ok to have sex with someone too young, the problem is that it is arbitrary. I like the idea of flexible ages of consent, for instance where if the partner is within 2 years of age then its kosher so  15 year old can have sex with a 17 year old but a 27 year old can't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 08:58:36 pm
Okay, now a new thread would be in order.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 27, 2014, 09:59:48 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 08:13:38 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on May 27, 2014, 07:36:10 pm
Quote from: Cataclysm on May 27, 2014, 04:57:46 pm
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Fuck you, SJW. Fuck you up your damn ass with the biggest cactus I can find.

Men don't have to worry about body image as much as women. Bull fucking shit.

Well men don't need to worry about there body as much as women do. Yeah there's some things guys have to deal with relating to body image, but it's not nearly the same standards as women.

And yes, I do think Tumblrite is an ass.

I'd have to disagree. Both men and women are held up to ridiculous body standards just in different ways.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 10:13:28 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 27, 2014, 09:59:48 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 08:13:38 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on May 27, 2014, 07:36:10 pm
Quote from: Cataclysm on May 27, 2014, 04:57:46 pm
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10330425_240180666181307_4305544670425664207_n.jpg)

Fuck you, SJW. Fuck you up your damn ass with the biggest cactus I can find.

Men don't have to worry about body image as much as women. Bull fucking shit.

Well men don't need to worry about there body as much as women do. Yeah there's some things guys have to deal with relating to body image, but it's not nearly the same standards as women.

And yes, I do think Tumblrite is an ass.

I'd have to disagree. Both men and women are held up to ridiculous body standards just in different ways.
Oh sure, but they're not nearly equal.
Guys get vastly less shit for looking ugly than girls do.
I mean sure, guys will feel insecure about the fact they don't have the 15-inch-dongs we've led them to believe they do but that still doesn't make it equal.

I'm mainly uptight about this cuz it's a favorite line of douche-bags who like hijacking conversations about female rights.
("Hey, isn't it screwed up that they're now showing billboards of naked 5-year-old girls?"
"Hey, but what about the menz!!!1! We feel bad sometimes to!")
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on May 27, 2014, 10:35:34 pm
I think it's worth noting that fat guys are just as likely as thin guys to insult fat girls.

Also, guys get a lot of shit for looking/doing anything/being anything too "female-like".  So if you happen to have a more feminine frame, you're screwed.  And of course, they associate feminine men with homosexuality.

So, in short, men view "womenly" men as "pussies, faggots, pansies", and men view "manly" women as "pretenders, rabid feminists, misandrists, hypocrites."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 10:53:15 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 27, 2014, 10:35:34 pm
I think it's worth noting that fat guys are just as likely as thin guys to insult fat girls.

Also, guys get a lot of shit for looking/doing anything/being anything too "female-like".  So if you happen to have a more feminine frame, you're screwed.  And of course, they associate feminine men with homosexuality.

So, in short, men view "womenly" men as "pussies, faggots, pansies", and men view "manly" women as "pretenders, rabid feminists, misandrists, hypocrites."
More or less, yaw.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on May 28, 2014, 04:40:31 am
Quote from: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 08:28:27 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on May 27, 2014, 07:58:03 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 27, 2014, 07:20:24 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 06:25:51 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2014, 04:49:59 pm
Quote
A Song of Ice and Fire is fucking misogynistic! I mean, look at how the women are treated!
Look, there's a big difference between the setting being misogynistic and the story being misogynistic.
I have heard some legitimate criticisms on how the story depicts statutory rape, I haven't read the book so I can't make an informed opinion.

Eh, it's a bit iffy to apply modern notions about statutory rape to a story set in a medieval world.
Statutory rape is a weird concept even in our modern world, though. I mean, I realise why it exist (even thought the word "rape" is a shitty word to use in this context, since you know, consensual sex as rape is a big nope), but there's juste no magical barrier at 18 years old that'd justify such a concept.

And with that, I'm done : if anyone wants to talk about that subject more, it'd be better to open another topic.
Consensual sex can be rape if the victim isn't in the proper state of mind to make the decision, see having sex with someone intoxicated.
(And yes, 18 years is pretty arbitrary and really not based on any scientific data.
NO. Consensual sex can never, by definition, be rape.
If someone isn't able to make the decision (eg too young or too intoxicated), then it's not consensual.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 28, 2014, 07:20:18 am
Quote from: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 10:53:15 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 27, 2014, 10:35:34 pm
I think it's worth noting that fat guys are just as likely as thin guys to insult fat girls.

Also, guys get a lot of shit for looking/doing anything/being anything too "female-like".  So if you happen to have a more feminine frame, you're screwed.  And of course, they associate feminine men with homosexuality.

So, in short, men view "womenly" men as "pussies, faggots, pansies", and men view "manly" women as "pretenders, rabid feminists, misandrists, hypocrites."
More or less, yaw.
Actually, feminine men tend to have it worse than masculine women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 28, 2014, 10:51:33 am
Quote from: LeTipex on May 28, 2014, 04:40:31 am
Quote from: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 08:28:27 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on May 27, 2014, 07:58:03 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on May 27, 2014, 07:20:24 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 06:25:51 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2014, 04:49:59 pm
Quote
A Song of Ice and Fire is fucking misogynistic! I mean, look at how the women are treated!
Look, there's a big difference between the setting being misogynistic and the story being misogynistic.
I have heard some legitimate criticisms on how the story depicts statutory rape, I haven't read the book so I can't make an informed opinion.

Eh, it's a bit iffy to apply modern notions about statutory rape to a story set in a medieval world.
Statutory rape is a weird concept even in our modern world, though. I mean, I realise why it exist (even thought the word "rape" is a shitty word to use in this context, since you know, consensual sex as rape is a big nope), but there's juste no magical barrier at 18 years old that'd justify such a concept.

And with that, I'm done : if anyone wants to talk about that subject more, it'd be better to open another topic.
Consensual sex can be rape if the victim isn't in the proper state of mind to make the decision, see having sex with someone intoxicated.
(And yes, 18 years is pretty arbitrary and really not based on any scientific data.
NO. Consensual sex can never, by definition, be rape.
If someone isn't able to make the decision (eg too young or too intoxicated), then it's not consensual.
Yeah, I suppose that's true,
we should probably move this to a different thread now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on May 28, 2014, 02:15:50 pm
I'm hoping this is a poe, but if not then SJWs once again show us how "Trigger Warnings" no longer mean a god damn thing.

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/f12b2256fca83f94aa42aa0da0936276/tumblr_n5sj7sTtcF1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww158/iamdizzyizzy/1233442794105.gif)

Also:

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/4dc4eb6d17199cdfde6d19d6f2570912/tumblr_n5e3mjYQY71ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d25/Kelila14/GIFs/Reaction%20GIFs/ConfusedObama.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on May 28, 2014, 02:47:52 pm
[soapbox]

There's a goddamn difference between an anxiety trigger and a PTSD trigger. Trigger warnings are for the latter.

[/soapbox]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on May 28, 2014, 02:56:41 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 28, 2014, 07:20:18 am
Quote from: I am lizard on May 27, 2014, 10:53:15 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on May 27, 2014, 10:35:34 pm
I think it's worth noting that fat guys are just as likely as thin guys to insult fat girls.

Also, guys get a lot of shit for looking/doing anything/being anything too "female-like".  So if you happen to have a more feminine frame, you're screwed.  And of course, they associate feminine men with homosexuality.

So, in short, men view "womenly" men as "pussies, faggots, pansies", and men view "manly" women as "pretenders, rabid feminists, misandrists, hypocrites."
More or less, yaw.
Actually, feminine men tend to have it worse than masculine women.
True, as "manliness" is often made some kind of extremely narrowly-defined standard to prevent all but the "best" from being legitimized.

Also part of the reason why MTFs tend to get more negative attention than FTMs, most likely.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 28, 2014, 03:55:39 pm
Speaking of which:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/33bccd6c4c2dc14d666963dd686dfb6e/tumblr_n53ktqG8M51ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 28, 2014, 04:06:13 pm
Quote from: Damen on May 28, 2014, 02:15:50 pm
I'm hoping this is a poe, but if not then SJWs once again show us how "Trigger Warnings" no longer mean a god damn thing.

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/f12b2256fca83f94aa42aa0da0936276/tumblr_n5sj7sTtcF1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww158/iamdizzyizzy/1233442794105.gif)

Also:

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/4dc4eb6d17199cdfde6d19d6f2570912/tumblr_n5e3mjYQY71ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d25/Kelila14/GIFs/Reaction%20GIFs/ConfusedObama.gif)
I'm on mobile, what do they say?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 28, 2014, 05:21:55 pm
Stupid shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 28, 2014, 06:09:32 pm
Oh, just read them now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 29, 2014, 03:45:51 pm
You went for a walk? KILL YOURSELF OPPRESSOR!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on May 29, 2014, 03:50:22 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/ddd8c215a1e7ffb8bcabb156c778787e/tumblr_n5t7bjTVFI1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8111749632/hDB5DD9DE/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 30, 2014, 01:41:24 pm
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The term "manchild" is horribly derogatory and demeaning towards autistic people.

"Manchild" just means you're immature.  I've known plenty of mature autistic people, and plenty of immature neurotypical people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 30, 2014, 08:10:29 pm
Quote from: Damen on May 29, 2014, 03:50:22 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/ddd8c215a1e7ffb8bcabb156c778787e/tumblr_n5t7bjTVFI1ryeto5o1_500.png)
You know what? I'll make you a fantastic offer. You don't need to take over the entire internet, say, Xbox Live or perhaps World of Warcraft or maybe even the Steam forums. If you claim just one of those tiny corners of the internet, I, on behalf of men all over the world, will be so goddamn impressed that you actually pulled it off that I'll just give you the whole thing.

Good luck, boy are you going to need it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: IanC on May 31, 2014, 09:38:16 am
I got a death threat on tumblr the other day. The usual "go kill yourself, lol" from a user who didn't go on anonymous. Apparently it was either because i took the piss out of other kin, or because i pointed out how the school shooter killed more men than women (while also pointing out that it doesn't make him any less of a women hater, just that umber needs to stop distorting facts.)
Oh and then i misgendered her/him/they by accident, mostly because i couldn't understand what their stupid about you section meant. So i got abuse for that too.

Tumblr, we accept everyone... unless you are white and male. Then go kill yourself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2014, 09:45:28 am
Quote from: IanC on May 31, 2014, 09:38:16 am
I got a death threat on tumblr the other day. The usual "go kill yourself, lol" from a user who didn't go on anonymous. Apparently it was either because i took the piss out of other kin, or because i pointed out how the school shooter killed more men than women (while also pointing out that it doesn't make him any less of a women hater, just that umber needs to stop distorting facts.)
Oh and then i misgendered her/him/they by accident, mostly because i couldn't understand what their stupid about you section meant. So i got abuse for that too.

Tumblr, we accept everyone... unless you are white and male. Then go kill yourself.
I think I have something even better:

"Tumblr: where everyone wants to be special, so nobody is."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 31, 2014, 08:25:36 pm
I got told to go jump off a bridge by an anon.

Ironbite-jokes on him cause I respawn.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on May 31, 2014, 11:24:37 pm
I turned anon off long ago. I already don't care a whole lot about people who want to spew stupid hate at me, but someone who isn't willing to do it with their own face uncovered (or at least go to the effort to make a blog just to harass me) isn't worth the effort to pay attention to.

I saw someone on Tumblr describe anon hate as the equivalent of a guy with a paper bag on his head running up and screaming bad words at you. It's just lame.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 31, 2014, 11:41:11 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/3WKiFV7.png)

(http://i57.tinypic.com/2i111rn.gif)

Everything about this is wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 01, 2014, 12:17:38 am
Sponges? REALLY?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 01, 2014, 12:45:07 am
Troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 01, 2014, 01:22:19 am
(http://i.imgur.com/SfFFTtU.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 01, 2014, 01:36:47 am
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 01, 2014, 01:22:19 am
(http://i.imgur.com/SfFFTtU.png)

I just want to drop my pants in front of this person and say, "Wanna check it out and see if that's true?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 01, 2014, 02:03:12 am
Please tell me that person is trolling?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on June 01, 2014, 11:31:32 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 01, 2014, 02:03:12 am
Please tell me that person is trolling?

"Now we wait" would seem to indicate so.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 01, 2014, 03:03:03 pm
Here is another person who I hope is trolling.
I'll bold some of the craziest parts but it's under a spoiler for it's length:

(click to show/hide)

So in short we have a mother her lets her daughter do anything she wants including spreading her shit (literally) all over the wall.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 01, 2014, 03:56:08 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 01, 2014, 03:03:03 pm
Here is another person who I hope is trolling.
I'll bold some of the craziest parts but it's under a spoiler for it's length:

(click to show/hide)

So in short we have a mother her lets her daughter do anything she wants including spreading her shit (literally) all over the wall.

#CallCPS
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on June 01, 2014, 07:08:23 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 01, 2014, 03:56:08 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 01, 2014, 03:03:03 pm
Here is another person who I hope is trolling.
I'll bold some of the craziest parts but it's under a spoiler for it's length:

(click to show/hide)

So in short we have a mother her lets her daughter do anything she wants including spreading her shit (literally) all over the wall.

#CallCPS

Seriously. Talk about a person who's going to destroy their child.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 01, 2014, 08:24:05 pm
What.....the.....fuck did I just read?

Ironbite-no seriously the fuck did I just read?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on June 01, 2014, 08:28:09 pm
How old is that mother's daughter? Because I am concerned about anyone who toilet trained their child letting them smear shit all over the walls of their bathroom, or in general, letting them act like an animal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on June 01, 2014, 08:34:35 pm
Ewewewewewew
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 01, 2014, 09:15:49 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on June 01, 2014, 08:28:09 pm
How old is that mother's daughter? Because I am concerned about anyone who toilet trained their child letting them smear shit all over the walls of their bathroom, or in general, letting them act like an animal.

Talk about "getting back to nature..."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 02, 2014, 02:49:14 pm
A lot of that person's blog consisted of stuff like that. If she did mention her daughter's age then I didn't stomach enough BS to see it. I'm going to guess around 3 or 4.

What's funny to me is how the son seems to be a polite kid while the daughter acts like a little shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on June 02, 2014, 06:39:45 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 01, 2014, 03:03:03 pm
Here is another person who I hope is trolling.
I'll bold some of the craziest parts but it's under a spoiler for it's length:

(click to show/hide)

So in short we have a mother her lets her daughter do anything she wants including spreading her shit (literally) all over the wall.

Easily the best trolling, even IRL trolling, that I have ever seen. She has turned passive-aggression into an art form, assuming it is real.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 03, 2014, 10:35:04 am
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You are the whitest latina I've ever seen. Do you have ANY idea how amazingly appropriative it is to claim to be a race you aren't? I mean it's one thing to claim all the holidays and aesthetics for your own little whitey needs but you also gotta claim like you have their struggles too? I mean I know white people wanna feel special like PoC but trying to claim their persecution as well is a new goddamn level. So cut with the appropriation and act your race.
 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 03, 2014, 10:59:35 am
Quote from: I am lizard on June 03, 2014, 10:35:04 am
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You are the whitest latina I've ever seen. Do you have ANY idea how amazingly appropriative it is to claim to be a race you aren't? I mean it's one thing to claim all the holidays and aesthetics for your own little whitey needs but you also gotta claim like you have their struggles too? I mean I know white people wanna feel special like PoC but trying to claim their persecution as well is a new goddamn level. So cut with the appropriation and act your race.
 

The Brazilian tour groups at the local theme parks would like a word with him/her/zie/fae.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 03, 2014, 01:27:40 pm
I'm suddenly reminded of "Oh my god, you don't just ask someone why they're white."

Why are so many of these aggressive SJWs unintentionally racist as fuck?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: IanC on June 03, 2014, 02:54:32 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on May 31, 2014, 11:24:37 pm
I turned anon off long ago. I already don't care a whole lot about people who want to spew stupid hate at me, but someone who isn't willing to do it with their own face uncovered (or at least go to the effort to make a blog just to harass me) isn't worth the effort to pay attention to.

I saw someone on Tumblr describe anon hate as the equivalent of a guy with a paper bag on his head running up and screaming bad words at you. It's just lame.

Funny thing is this wasn't anon. I have had anon hate before, i was kinda shocked that this person didn't go anon on me!

Quote from: thejebusfire on May 31, 2014, 11:41:11 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/3WKiFV7.png)

(http://i57.tinypic.com/2i111rn.gif)

Everything about this is wrong.
Has to be a troll. Or one of those whacks that think all PiV sex is rape.

Oh, i just used a term from tumblr. I feel ill…
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on June 04, 2014, 12:50:14 am
Notice how they list as triggers both cis and trans people? Does that mean they are triggered by every person that exists?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 04, 2014, 01:29:25 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on June 04, 2014, 12:50:14 am
Notice how they list as triggers both cis and trans people? Does that mean they are triggered by every person that exists?
All is unclean.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: R. U. Sirius on June 04, 2014, 01:45:37 am
Quote from: Alehksunos on June 01, 2014, 08:28:09 pm
How old is that mother's daughter? Because I am concerned about anyone who toilet trained their child letting them smear shit all over the walls of their bathroom, or in general, letting them act like an animal.

Hey, now! Animals are smart enough NOT to smear their shit everywhere.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 04, 2014, 01:58:46 am
Quote from: R. U. Sirius on June 04, 2014, 01:45:37 am
Quote from: Alehksunos on June 01, 2014, 08:28:09 pm
How old is that mother's daughter? Because I am concerned about anyone who toilet trained their child letting them smear shit all over the walls of their bathroom, or in general, letting them act like an animal.

Hey, now! Animals are smart enough NOT to smear their shit everywhere.

Ever owned a dog?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 04, 2014, 07:27:52 am
Quote from: R. U. Sirius on June 04, 2014, 01:45:37 am
Quote from: Alehksunos on June 01, 2014, 08:28:09 pm
How old is that mother's daughter? Because I am concerned about anyone who toilet trained their child letting them smear shit all over the walls of their bathroom, or in general, letting them act like an animal.

Hey, now! Animals are smart enough NOT to smear their shit everywhere.
Except for chickens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 04, 2014, 07:39:33 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 04, 2014, 07:27:52 am
Quote from: R. U. Sirius on June 04, 2014, 01:45:37 am
Quote from: Alehksunos on June 01, 2014, 08:28:09 pm
How old is that mother's daughter? Because I am concerned about anyone who toilet trained their child letting them smear shit all over the walls of their bathroom, or in general, letting them act like an animal.

Hey, now! Animals are smart enough NOT to smear their shit everywhere.
Except for chickens.
And dogs just love to roll in shit, as long as it isn't their own shit.

They are trying to cover their own scent so that the prey won't realise that the smell that approaches is a dog.

This still means that the dog that was happily rolling around in bear crap is stupid.

Either the intended prey will smell a bear and still run away OR the dog is planning to go hunt a bear. ...In which case it is dumb and thinks way too high of himself. Stupid dog, getting the stench away was a lot of hard work. Seriously, if you haven't smelled bear shit then you should count yourself lucky.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 04, 2014, 07:58:37 am
While all this is true, nothing does stupid quite like human children.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on June 04, 2014, 11:51:38 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 04, 2014, 07:58:37 am
While all this is true, nothing does stupid quite like human children.
In our defense, humans are children for a long time compared to most other animals so we get lots and lots of opportunities to act stupid and we have the law of averages working in our favour.  ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 04, 2014, 12:22:24 pm
Also, when most other animals act stupid at a young age, this generally results in their death due to predators, or parents lacking the opposable thumbs necessary to remove them from their predicaments.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 04, 2014, 05:11:16 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on June 04, 2014, 01:58:46 am
Quote from: R. U. Sirius on June 04, 2014, 01:45:37 am
Quote from: Alehksunos on June 01, 2014, 08:28:09 pm
How old is that mother's daughter? Because I am concerned about anyone who toilet trained their child letting them smear shit all over the walls of their bathroom, or in general, letting them act like an animal.

Hey, now! Animals are smart enough NOT to smear their shit everywhere.

Ever owned a dog?

My dad had a dog that would eat shit out of the cat's box. He also liked to piss on plastic bags.
It was disgusting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 05, 2014, 02:08:19 am
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Hitting a child of ANY age, for ANY reason, with ANY amount of force, is NEVER okay. Hitting a child's hand away from a stove is not okay, and it is not necessary. It is a pathetic rationalization for parents acting out their frustration on their children, and children too young to understand that hot stoves are dangerous are not going to understand that the hitting is correlated to the stove, or that the stove is capable of hurting just like Mommy is hurting. If a child is near a stove, the responsible thing to do is BLOCK their hand or move it away as gently as possible, but hitting is simply inexcusable. And, amazingly, parents who are dedicated not to hit don't seem to be suffering from any higher levels of burned children than those who insist it is necessary to hit children to keep them safe.

And, no, there isn't a "when all other means of discipline have failed." Why is it that only parents who are a priori accepting of spanking get to that place, whereas those who make a commitment never to spank don't seem to have those situations? Giving yourself an "out" to spank just means you are going to be less thoughtful and well-rounded in terms of how you approach your child's needs, and it becomes all too easy to rationalize lazy parenting to oneself and resort to spanking.

You know, I dislike spanking, especially when it's used as the go-to means of punishment for anything.  I agree that it is lazy parenting in that regard.  However, that being said, I don't begrudge parents who use it as a last resort if all else fails.  The thing is, children aren't mini adults.  Sometimes children can't be "reasoned" with.  Sometimes they won't listen to you, no matter how many times you "gently" explain it to them.  There will be times where they'll need to be disciplined, unless you're so wishy washy that you don't care, or resort to bribery, which rewards bad behavior and can also backfire.  Going by this reasoning, just about any form of discipline could be argued as abusive.  Standing in the corner?  Mild form of torture.  Sending them to their room?  A form of child imprisonment.  Grounding?  Depriving children of needed stimulation, which is cruel.

But perhaps the most important thing is that every child is different.  Some children aren't affected by spanking (I think some on this forum said as much), and some do much better without it, and turn out fine despite never seeing a raised hand in their life.  And some children become uncontrollable, borderline unloveable hellions when raised with the "let's be calm and gentle in everything we do and 'reason' with children instead of punishing them because discipline is barbaric" method.  You, as the parent, need to find the most effective methods for your child when it comes to enforcing boundaries (which does not include "beating the shit out of them" and "hit them over every minor thing").

And as for the bolded, it's probably because many people who follow "no spanking" and also have problem children absolutely refuse to believe they have problem children, refuse to admit they've lost control, or worst of all, just stopped caring.  You're not automatically good at parenting just because you don't practice spanking.  You can still be a shitty parent and still have shitty children, and never raise a finger against them.  Never reaching the point of spanking doesn't necessarily mean the children are well-behaved and that the parenting is successful; it just means the parents have a strong conviction to never use spanking, no matter what.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on June 05, 2014, 08:28:51 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 05, 2014, 02:08:19 am
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Hitting a child of ANY age, for ANY reason, with ANY amount of force, is NEVER okay. Hitting a child's hand away from a stove is not okay, and it is not necessary. It is a pathetic rationalization for parents acting out their frustration on their children, and children too young to understand that hot stoves are dangerous are not going to understand that the hitting is correlated to the stove, or that the stove is capable of hurting just like Mommy is hurting. If a child is near a stove, the responsible thing to do is BLOCK their hand or move it away as gently as possible, but hitting is simply inexcusable. And, amazingly, parents who are dedicated not to hit don't seem to be suffering from any higher levels of burned children than those who insist it is necessary to hit children to keep them safe.

And, no, there isn't a "when all other means of discipline have failed." Why is it that only parents who are a priori accepting of spanking get to that place, whereas those who make a commitment never to spank don't seem to have those situations? Giving yourself an "out" to spank just means you are going to be less thoughtful and well-rounded in terms of how you approach your child's needs, and it becomes all too easy to rationalize lazy parenting to oneself and resort to spanking.

Hey look, an armchair quarterback who either isn't a parent or isn't a good one.  ::)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 05, 2014, 02:09:02 pm
I think the OP is just an idiot.  If you guys can judge us as non-parents, then we reserve the right to judge you as parents; of course, this comes with the accepted caveat that some judgments are complete bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 05, 2014, 06:50:28 pm
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/ecd5a332a89ebfe6b9b232d968dd9f82/tumblr_n6nx7yY9361ryeto5o1_500.png)

I bet this person has an exciting social life!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 05, 2014, 06:55:32 pm
So... they're a wannabe dom?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 05, 2014, 06:57:04 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 05, 2014, 06:50:28 pm
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/ecd5a332a89ebfe6b9b232d968dd9f82/tumblr_n6nx7yY9361ryeto5o1_500.png)

I bet this person has an exciting social life!

Now let's see them try to enforce that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 05, 2014, 07:00:07 pm
So who's allowed to be attracted to their nasty ass?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 05, 2014, 07:03:51 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 05, 2014, 06:55:32 pm
So... they're a wannabe dom?

and they apparently fetishize individuals who are gay and trans.  And maybe pansexuals and asexuals, too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 05, 2014, 07:59:34 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on June 05, 2014, 07:03:51 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 05, 2014, 06:55:32 pm
So... they're a wannabe dom?

and they apparently fetishize individuals who are gay and trans.  And maybe pansexuals and asexuals, too.

This is both problematic and triggering.  Someone needs to check their dominant privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 05, 2014, 08:06:36 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 05, 2014, 07:59:34 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on June 05, 2014, 07:03:51 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 05, 2014, 06:55:32 pm
So... they're a wannabe dom?

and they apparently fetishize individuals who are gay and trans.  And maybe pansexuals and asexuals, too.

This is both problematic and triggering.  Someone needs to check their dominant privilege.

The ironic thing is, it actually is problematic.

My apologies for using "tumblr lingo".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on June 05, 2014, 08:10:23 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on June 05, 2014, 08:06:36 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 05, 2014, 07:59:34 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on June 05, 2014, 07:03:51 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 05, 2014, 06:55:32 pm
So... they're a wannabe dom?

and they apparently fetishize individuals who are gay and trans.  And maybe pansexuals and asexuals, too.

This is both problematic and triggering.  Someone needs to check their dominant privilege.

The ironic thing is, it actually is problematic.

My apologies for using "tumblr lingo".

This makes me want to introduce them to my ex-dominatrix friend.  Total sweetheart... but piss her off or threaten her three kids, and she will destroy you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 05, 2014, 08:14:06 pm
The nicer a person is, the more stupid an idea it is to fuck with them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on June 05, 2014, 08:18:04 pm
She keeps threatening to come up and lash me with a real cat o' nine tails...

... ... I'm not sure if I'd mind or not.  There's a reason I call her 'Auntie'.  She was our team mom in our WoW guild and retained that position in FF14, so...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 05, 2014, 08:30:14 pm
All from the same blog:

Quote
you can call me val or bambi
i am a camab agender tucute & i vow to destroy every truscum + cis person on the planet one day
fawn/fawnself or they/them pronouns

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"what is truscum & why are they bad?"

truscum are a group of primarily white trans men who think they have authority over who gets to identify as trans. they think you have to hate your body to be trans or youre a “”“transtrender”“”. theyre v cissexist, transmisogynistic, & ableist.

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"how can you hate men if youre androsexual?"

im sure youve found somebody attractive before right? then you got to know them & they turned out to be a total asshole. thats how i feel about men, men are misogynistic & transmisogynistic but i find men physically attractive. i cant help who im attracted to i guess but im hoping that it changes so i dont have to deal with their bullshit anymore

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hello there i am valerie
i am 20, androsexual, aromantic, & agender
i really like deer, plants & pretty purple things
my privileges are that i am white, able bodied & thin
please dont follow me if you are truscum, transphobic, transmisogynistic, racist, ableist, whorephobic, or queerphobic
thank u for reading & have a great day
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 05, 2014, 11:02:22 pm
"fawn/fawnself"

(http://i.imgur.com/kdxvlnR.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 05, 2014, 11:41:41 pm
The fuck is a "camab tucute"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 06, 2014, 08:27:06 am
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 05, 2014, 11:41:41 pm
The fuck is a "camab tucute"?

They're speaking in tongues.  Clearly, the only solution is to tie them to a bed and beat them with a Bible until they're unconscious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 06, 2014, 09:35:44 am
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/769/607/50b.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 06, 2014, 11:00:03 am
I'm becoming convinced that anytime you see a post full of lunacy, punctuated by a smug looking Japanese emoji, it's a troll.


(◡‿◡✿)   

=

(http://i.imgur.com/fbo1i7Fs.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 06, 2014, 02:53:04 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 05, 2014, 11:41:41 pm
The fuck is a "camab tucute"?

CAMAB stands for "coercively assigned male at birth", tucute are what people who hate "truscum" call themselves. I don't know how I know these things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on June 06, 2014, 08:41:37 pm
LARGE IMAGE BELOW!
(click to show/hide)

Chairwomyn Ahuviya Rotem Harel, a communist SJW "trans" (He's not really trans, he just got up one day and decided he was) who trolled Chris-Chan for a time being.

A recurring motif of Ahuviya's is the slogan "Die Cis Scum", to the point where he has multiple shirts that say it. This is akin to his version of the Cobra symbol, with the irony being he has the same amount of potency.

His tumblr is at http://oi-oi-i-hate-cissies.tumblr.com/ (http://oi-oi-i-hate-cissies.tumblr.com/)

And, sweet Chaos, this anthem.

(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 06, 2014, 08:45:16 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on June 06, 2014, 08:41:37 pm
LARGE IMAGE BELOW!
(click to show/hide)

Chairwoman Ahuviya Rotem Harel, a communist SJW "trans" (He's not really trans, he just got up one day and decided he was) who trolled Chris-Chan for a time being.

A recurring motif of Ahuviya's is the slogan "Die Cis Scum", to the point where he has multiple shirts that say it. This is akin to his version of the Cobra symbol, with the irony being he has the same amount of potency.

His tumblr is at http://oi-oi-i-hate-cissies.tumblr.com/ (http://oi-oi-i-hate-cissies.tumblr.com/)

And, sweet Chaos, this anthem.

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Oh yeah, I've heard about this guy.  He really needs help.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 06, 2014, 09:00:49 pm
...Anyone care to tell him the United States military has robots, Powered Armor, rail guns and flying tanks?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on June 06, 2014, 09:01:57 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 06, 2014, 09:00:49 pm
...Anyone care to tell him the United States military has robots, Powered Armor, rail guns and flying tanks?
All but the first are in prototype stage or don't exist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 06, 2014, 09:56:45 pm
Huh, I thought I read about a type of aircraft which basically came off as a flying tank.

Well, even with the rest in prototype stage, before long, given how our country views military matters, it should become more readily seen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 06, 2014, 10:00:26 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 06, 2014, 09:56:45 pm
Huh, I thought I read about a type of aircraft which basically came off as a flying tank.

Well, even with the rest in prototype stage, before long, given how our country views military matters, it should become more readily seen.

The closest thing I can think of that'd qualify as a "flying tank" would be the A-10 Warthog.  Its ugly as hell, but damn near impossible to shoot down.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 06, 2014, 11:34:48 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on June 06, 2014, 08:41:37 pm
LARGE IMAGE BELOW!
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Chairwoman Ahuviya Rotem Harel, a communist SJW "trans" (He's not really trans, he just got up one day and decided he was) who trolled Chris-Chan for a time being.

A recurring motif of Ahuviya's is the slogan "Die Cis Scum", to the point where he has multiple shirts that say it. This is akin to his version of the Cobra symbol, with the irony being he has the same amount of potency.

His tumblr is at http://oi-oi-i-hate-cissies.tumblr.com/ (http://oi-oi-i-hate-cissies.tumblr.com/)

And, sweet Chaos, this anthem.

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I bet this person is a riot at parties.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on June 07, 2014, 12:01:10 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on June 06, 2014, 09:01:57 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 06, 2014, 09:00:49 pm
...Anyone care to tell him the United States military has robots, Powered Armor, rail guns and flying tanks?
All but the first are in prototype stage or don't exist.

Railguns for naval applications are just shy of actually entering major production, for the record.  Five years, tops.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 07, 2014, 12:11:38 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on June 06, 2014, 08:41:37 pm
Chairwoman Ahuviya Rotem Harel, a communist SJW "trans" (He's not really trans, he just got up one day and decided he was)

As a matter of preferring to err on the side of not being an asshole:

This thing here? Don't do it. Don't declare someone to be a gender they personally don't identify as.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 07, 2014, 12:19:26 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 06, 2014, 10:00:26 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 06, 2014, 09:56:45 pm
Huh, I thought I read about a type of aircraft which basically came off as a flying tank.

Well, even with the rest in prototype stage, before long, given how our country views military matters, it should become more readily seen.

The closest thing I can think of that'd qualify as a "flying tank" would be the A-10 Warthog.  Its ugly as hell, but damn near impossible to shoot down.

YES! That is what I was thinking of! I would love to fly one of those in a war!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 07, 2014, 01:06:41 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 07, 2014, 12:11:38 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on June 06, 2014, 08:41:37 pm
Chairwoman Ahuviya Rotem Harel, a communist SJW "trans" (He's not really trans, he just got up one day and decided he was)

As a matter of preferring to err on the side of not being an asshole:

This thing here? Don't do it. Don't declare someone to be a gender they personally don't identify as.
Yeah, without knowing much about that person (apart from a quick look at the tumblr) I have to note that not all trans* come out at young age, some don't even realise it or admit it to themselves untill much older.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on June 07, 2014, 01:07:54 am
I come with gifts, my children.

Except for Sigma, they get a sack filled with living baby hands that whisper their name at night.

They tatooed something on their knuckles. Behold, the ultimate bad stereotype of feminists.
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That's right! With a Circle A, even!

If you're wondering what they looked like before they started crossdressing, I can just say it involves everyone's favorite chairman and very offensive things. Not, it's not a shoop.

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Resist the urge to punch your screens, please. All sympathy for this person will instantly be lost on sight.

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Two enlightening comics from their tumblr.

This one genuinely scares me.
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At least, it's not as dangerous as the postal service!
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And a drawing, which is small enough to be non-spoilered, god help you.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ahCkgBG3faE/T3J3yemLTnI/AAAAAAAAWu0/2yYUqhpQM2o/s1600/2.JPG)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 07, 2014, 01:36:44 am
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on June 07, 2014, 12:01:10 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on June 06, 2014, 09:01:57 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 06, 2014, 09:00:49 pm
...Anyone care to tell him the United States military has robots, Powered Armor, rail guns and flying tanks?
All but the first are in prototype stage or don't exist.

Railguns for naval applications are just shy of actually entering major production, for the record.  Five years, tops.
actually we've secretly used them for decades, along with space-based plasma rays and invisible sky fleet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 07, 2014, 02:18:09 am
Quote from: askold on June 07, 2014, 01:06:41 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 07, 2014, 12:11:38 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on June 06, 2014, 08:41:37 pm
Chairwoman Ahuviya Rotem Harel, a communist SJW "trans" (He's not really trans, he just got up one day and decided he was)

As a matter of preferring to err on the side of not being an asshole:

This thing here? Don't do it. Don't declare someone to be a gender they personally don't identify as.
Yeah, without knowing much about that person (apart from a quick look at the tumblr) I have to note that not all trans* come out at young age, some don't even realise it or admit it to themselves untill much older.

This.

She may be an abominable person, but a lot of people don't realize they're trans until they're adults.  So if she identifies as a "she", then she's a she.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on June 07, 2014, 02:59:12 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on June 07, 2014, 01:07:54 am

Resist the urge to punch your screens, please. All sympathy for this person will instantly be lost on sight.

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So neither Martin Luther King nor Batman is your hero?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 07, 2014, 04:24:01 am
(http://i58.tinypic.com/11hruk8.jpg)

Except "overweight" simply means that the individual is over the weight range (or body fat %) that, for an average person, correlates with the lowest risk of a variety of conditions. "Obese" categorizes individuals who are (IIRC) more than 50lbs overweight, and comes with a heightened risk of health problems versus someone in the "overweight" range. Severe obesity, morbid obesity and super obesity, in turn, represent even higher risk categories. It's preventative medicine, not oppression.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 07, 2014, 04:35:42 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 07, 2014, 04:24:01 am
Except "overweight" simply means that the individual is over the weight range (or body fat %) that, for an average person, correlates with the lowest risk of a variety of conditions. "Obese" categorizes individuals who are (IIRC) more than 50lbs overweight, and comes with a heightened risk of health problems versus someone in the "overweight" range. Severe obesity, morbid obesity and super obesity, in turn, represent even higher risk categories. It's preventative medicine, not oppression.
Check your privilege and stop medicalising the human body you problematic healthyscum.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 07, 2014, 04:45:18 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 07, 2014, 04:35:42 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 07, 2014, 04:24:01 am
Except "overweight" simply means that the individual is over the weight range (or body fat %) that, for an average person, correlates with the lowest risk of a variety of conditions. "Obese" categorizes individuals who are (IIRC) more than 50lbs overweight, and comes with a heightened risk of health problems versus someone in the "overweight" range. Severe obesity, morbid obesity and super obesity, in turn, represent even higher risk categories. It's preventative medicine, not oppression.
Check your privilege and stop medicalising the human body you problematic healthyscum.

I'm very oppressed, actually. The last time I went to the doctor, he talked about the proper way to check my breasts my lumps. Doesn't that shitlord realize that men can get breast cancer too, and that not all women will wind up developing it? Sure, women might get it significantly more often, but this cis scum white man is implying that I'm wearing a "bra suit" and that I'm ridden by millions of alien breast tissue cells. How dare he medicalize breasts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 07, 2014, 08:38:05 am
I think "overfat" is a better term.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 07, 2014, 12:50:43 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on June 07, 2014, 01:07:54 am
I come with gifts, my children.

Except for Sigma, they get a sack filled with living baby hands that whisper their name at night.

Aww, and it's not even my birthday!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 07, 2014, 01:57:18 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on June 07, 2014, 01:07:54 am

Resist the urge to punch your screens, please. All sympathy for this person will instantly be lost on sight.

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That just screams "XXX_HARDXCORE_XXX."

And is that supposed to be a painting to the right? That's the most half-assed piece of crap I've ever seen.


Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 07, 2014, 02:03:54 pm
Jesus, that Ronald McDonald hair poking out.

And what are probably stolen science lab goggles. And stupidly baggy pants.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on June 07, 2014, 02:16:43 pm
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(http://38.media.tumblr.com/96326924ea61620c00699347a2caaa04/tumblr_n66myehwLg1sxs2mko1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on June 07, 2014, 02:28:13 pm
OK then, if that's the way you want it, let's all stick entirely to our native languages and never understand each other again.

Idiots.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 07, 2014, 02:43:35 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on June 07, 2014, 02:28:13 pm
OK then, if that's the way you want it, let's all stick entirely to our native languages and never understand each other again.

Idiots.

Well, if this mouth-breather happens to be a true, Bible-believin Christian, then they'd have half a point in their own little fucked up worldview because the whole thing that went down at the Tower of Babel was to prevent us from uniting and trying to "reach Yahweh's level."  Which is hilarious that he'd be threatened by a bunch of Bronze Age mystics, but that's beside the point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 07, 2014, 03:58:10 pm
Quote
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/96326924ea61620c00699347a2caaa04/tumblr_n66myehwLg1sxs2mko1_1280.png)

And now I want to kill someone.

First: There is no single Spanish-speaking culture. Spanish is one of the most spoken languages in the world and has a huge cultural spread, with countries where it is or was an official language in Asia, Africa, Europe and the Americas. Thinking we are all the same just because we have a common language is kinda racist.

Second: How exactly do you propose to further the cause of mutual understanding between cultures if you demand people not have languages in common?

Third: Who the fuck are you to speak for people of Hispanic heritage as to whether or not we mind other people learning Spanish? I think it's great, and there should be more of it. Stop appropriating my cultural right to decide who is or isn't appropriating my culture.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 07, 2014, 05:28:00 pm
Aren't there more native Spanish speakers in the world than native English speakers?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on June 07, 2014, 07:11:11 pm
How will I order food at the Taco Bell?

"I'll have a taco I mean one of these crispy folded corn torti... thingies filled with beans and cheese. I'll also take a beef burrito. <Fuck> You know what, forget it, can I get a hamburger? Aw shit, hamburger is a German word isn't it? Am I allowed to say hamburger if I'm white? I'm mostly Saxon in my ancestry (only 3.79% anglo)"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on June 07, 2014, 07:55:19 pm
Isn't the Spanish language originally from, you know, Spain?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 07, 2014, 08:48:35 pm
They pre-stole it from South and Central America.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 07, 2014, 09:04:35 pm
Don't use the Current number system as it's Arabic in origin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 07, 2014, 09:09:35 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on June 07, 2014, 09:04:35 pm
Don't use the Current number system as it's Arabic in origin.
Indian, actually.  The Arabs just adopted it and brought it west.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 07, 2014, 09:39:41 pm
Just stop existing altogether, since humans evolved in Africa.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 07, 2014, 09:41:46 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 07, 2014, 09:39:41 pm
Just stop existing altogether, since humans evolved in Africa.

Besides, we're appropriating the whole "evolving" thing from viruses and early, single-celled organisms.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 07, 2014, 09:45:52 pm
Guys, guys . . . this whole planet is thriving off the backs of dead stars.  Stop taking credit for the resources we stole from them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on June 07, 2014, 10:05:00 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 07, 2014, 09:09:35 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on June 07, 2014, 09:04:35 pm
Don't use the Current number system as it's Arabic in origin.
Indian, actually.  The Arabs just adopted it and brought it west.
Don't use the number zero, it's sumerian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 07, 2014, 11:13:58 pm
Tumblr has discovered political lesbianism:

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Heterosexuality is not inevitable.

You don’t have to put up with men’s shit, ever.

Stop loving the dudes, stop putting your energy into them, stop settling.  They will never make you truly happy at best and at worst will ruin your life beyond any redemption.

Instead think of all the other things you could be putting your time and energy into.  How much you can achieve, what positive choices you can make for yourself.

Women often respond to hearing that they don’t have to be heterosexual with fear and exclamations that they aren’t attracted to women.

You don’t have to date women, unless you want to.  Heterosexuality is an institution designed to squeeze out as much of your energy and emotional labor as possible. Simply refuse to capitulate to this system.

Quote
Can I just say that political lesbianism is really fucking hard?  I’m still trying to shake the whole “I also like men” thing and I guess I could just date trans men so that I’m not accidentally submitting to an oppressor but trans men still have privilege so idk
 
Hidden for size:
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on June 08, 2014, 02:30:51 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9ffdedb9cdd70d19005862e2cb485d5c/tumblr_n606ickT3I1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://fbpointer.com/images/images/this-person-is-dangerous.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 08, 2014, 02:59:11 am
Agreed! :S
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 08, 2014, 04:26:13 am
Eh, just another 2edgy4me tumblr babby.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 08, 2014, 08:14:21 am
All laptops, tablets, smartphones, and desktop monitors need to come equipped with a hidden taser attachment.  If someone posts shit like this, they get 500,000 volts shot thru their arses.  Its not torture, its classical conditioning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on June 08, 2014, 11:29:57 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 08, 2014, 08:14:21 am
All laptops, tablets, smartphones, and desktop monitors need to come equipped with a hidden taser attachment.  If someone posts shit like this, they get 500,000 volts shot thru their arses.  Its not torture, its classical conditioning.

As a friend refers to it:  "It's learning through pain.  They made the wrong choice, and experienced pain for it.  Are they going to do it again? no.  Lesson learned."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 08, 2014, 11:35:44 am
Quote from: WatermelonRat on June 07, 2014, 02:16:43 pm
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(http://38.media.tumblr.com/96326924ea61620c00699347a2caaa04/tumblr_n66myehwLg1sxs2mko1_1280.png)

I'd like to also point out something that was missed: this idiot is claiming to be able to identify Hispanics by their skin tone.

Motherfucker's probably never been down south, because there's a lot of people who are white and blonde as all get out. We get tour groups regularly to the local theme parks, especially from Brazil, and there's inevitably members who look indistinguishable from the Aryan standard. Even if they're not outright blonde (which could be hair dye), good numbers of them tend to be pretty white.

It's yet another example of why the usual "white vs. POC" breakdown of race relations ends up falling apart once you leave a very specific area.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 08, 2014, 02:34:40 pm
Quote from: Damen on June 08, 2014, 02:30:51 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9ffdedb9cdd70d19005862e2cb485d5c/tumblr_n606ickT3I1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://fbpointer.com/images/images/this-person-is-dangerous.jpg)

People probably said 2edgy4me about Eliott Rodger's posts on any given message board, and look what he went and did.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 08, 2014, 03:50:52 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/6e4f3cd6e6d98ce7662e8f278991ee79/tumblr_n6rhyuNcQs1ryeto5o1_r1_1280.png)

Bahahahaha
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 08, 2014, 04:37:52 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/MGVH0La.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 08, 2014, 06:08:02 pm
How cute - they actually think having a little tune to march to will make them effective at any given attempt at revolution.

What a joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 08, 2014, 07:27:16 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 07, 2014, 11:13:58 pm
Tumblr has discovered political lesbianism:

Quote
Heterosexuality is not inevitable.

You don’t have to put up with men’s shit, ever.

Stop loving the dudes, stop putting your energy into them, stop settling.  They will never make you truly happy at best and at worst will ruin your life beyond any redemption.

Instead think of all the other things you could be putting your time and energy into.  How much you can achieve, what positive choices you can make for yourself.

Women often respond to hearing that they don’t have to be heterosexual with fear and exclamations that they aren’t attracted to women.

You don’t have to date women, unless you want to.  Heterosexuality is an institution designed to squeeze out as much of your energy and emotional labor as possible. Simply refuse to capitulate to this system.

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Can I just say that political lesbianism is really fucking hard?  I’m still trying to shake the whole “I also like men” thing and I guess I could just date trans men so that I’m not accidentally submitting to an oppressor but trans men still have privilege so idk
 

Tumblr: Because telling people what sexual orientation they're allowed to be is only bad when the other side does it.

(It's surprising how much of my criticism of stupid social justice can be summed up as "X is only bad when the other side does it")
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 08, 2014, 09:39:42 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 08, 2014, 07:27:16 pm
(It's surprising how much of my criticism of stupid social justice can be summed up as "X is only bad when the other side does it")

That's an excellent point right there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 08, 2014, 09:52:46 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on June 08, 2014, 09:39:42 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 08, 2014, 07:27:16 pm
(It's surprising how much of my criticism of stupid social justice can be summed up as "X is only bad when the other side does it")

That's an excellent point right there.
Depends on what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 08, 2014, 10:42:00 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on June 08, 2014, 09:52:46 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on June 08, 2014, 09:39:42 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 08, 2014, 07:27:16 pm
(It's surprising how much of my criticism of stupid social justice can be summed up as "X is only bad when the other side does it")

That's an excellent point right there.
Depends on what you're talking about.

Most things do. It's not a general rule, just an observation of a pattern I've noticed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 08, 2014, 11:50:08 pm
If you ever find yourself saying that its only bad if they are the ones doing it, then stop.

You are suffering from Moral Myopia.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 08, 2014, 11:58:49 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 08, 2014, 11:50:08 pm
If you ever find yourself saying that its only bad if they are the ones doing it, then stop.

You are suffering from Moral Myopia.
I meant more like how it's more okay to make jokes about white people than black people.
But yeah, stuff like death threats and shit is bad, m'kay.
Death and rape threats are reeal bad, m'kay.
Don't send rape/death threats m'kay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 09, 2014, 01:34:00 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9ffdedb9cdd70d19005862e2cb485d5c/tumblr_n606ickT3I1ryeto5o1_400.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on June 09, 2014, 02:06:16 am
Already posted. Last page, I think.

Also, I think this is going to piss off quite a few of our members here:

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/c91ccbd535e1154ef515adf836d781cc/tumblr_n61fmj1ZOz1ryeto5o1_400.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 09, 2014, 02:23:52 am
My bad.

One the funnier side, they later go on to bitch about their dad restricting their internet use.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 09, 2014, 02:29:12 am
Quote from: Damen on June 09, 2014, 02:06:16 am
Already posted. Last page, I think.

Also, I think this is going to piss off quite a few of our members here:

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/c91ccbd535e1154ef515adf836d781cc/tumblr_n61fmj1ZOz1ryeto5o1_400.png)

Yeah, when people say "I wish I was autistic", I get the feeling they mean "I wish I was just high enough to have good mental clarity, but low enough to have special savant abilities".  Or they want Aspergers, because hey, "they get to be special, but are really no different neurotypical people, right?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on June 09, 2014, 03:44:08 am
Quote from: Damen on June 09, 2014, 02:06:16 am
Already posted. Last page, I think.

Also, I think this is going to piss off quite a few of our members here:

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/c91ccbd535e1154ef515adf836d781cc/tumblr_n61fmj1ZOz1ryeto5o1_400.png)

So, you want to be an Autistic person. Let me tell you about it, from the perspective of an actual Autistic person:

I hate being Autistic, so much. You are sensitive to all five of your feelings, and you have the whole internet making jokes about you, notably jokes about the hugbox.

I feel the internet is permanently scarred by the awful aftertaste left by many antics of Christian Weston Chandler, and jokes of fictional character crushes and other forms of obsession. I know, because Autistic people obsess about various things, often some of the strangest subject matter. Whether it be about locomotives, locomotive companies and locomotives across the globe, or watching an intro to a classic television show ad nauseum.

I doubt I've listed every useful insight, but how I feel about it is that I see it more as a "curse" than a "blessing". And some non-Autistics even see us like we're the X-Men or something.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 09, 2014, 07:58:40 am
Yeaaaaaaaaaah...I've lived with someone with rather severe Asperger's and it is not a fucking picnic.  Of course, that could also be attributable to the fact he's got a dozen other things wrong psychologically because his mother and babysitter all but totally destroyed his frontal lobe when he was a baby by holding him over a unlit (but leaking) gas stove to stop him from crying.  Its less "I live with a X-Man!" and more "I really wish my room was fucking soundproofed."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on June 09, 2014, 01:17:52 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 09, 2014, 07:58:40 am
...because his mother and babysitter all but totally destroyed his frontal lobe when he was a baby by holding him over a unlit (but leaking) gas stove to stop him from crying...

WTF had the never heard of NyQuil or whiskey?

That was sarcasm by the way, although in this case it sounds like the poor fucker would have been better off even if it had been taken as serious advice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 09, 2014, 01:28:55 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on June 09, 2014, 01:17:52 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 09, 2014, 07:58:40 am
...because his mother and babysitter all but totally destroyed his frontal lobe when he was a baby by holding him over a unlit (but leaking) gas stove to stop him from crying...

WTF had the never heard of NyQuil or whiskey?

That was sarcasm by the way, although in this case it sounds like the poor fucker would have been better off even if it had been taken as serious advice.

Alas, this was in the 60s.  In the South.  And my grandmother is many things, but not a one of 'em is "bright."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on June 09, 2014, 02:50:32 pm
Of all the things I've have went to on the internet from Something Awful to Encyclopedia Dramatica to even observing the activities of 4chan, the SJW sections on tumblr is one place I do not want to go.  The blatant hypocrisy, selfishness, attention-whoring, sanctimoniousness and stupidity displayed with the obliviousness and sincerity of the poster him/her/whateverself along with it are some of the things that make me avoid that site altogether. 

Perhaps it's my service in the military that has made me less tolerant to bulls**t like that, or the fact that people like that actually exist make it too depressing to visit.  At least with trolls you know that they are more than likely, aside from possible real life anti-social behavior, not really who they say they are.  The social justice warriors are not only sincere, but cannot be easily dealt with.

I apologize first hand if someone has already discussed these points, but I would also like to make my observances that:

-Self diagnoses of problems doesn't give you free license to have maladaptive behavior both online and IRL.  As others have posted, having an Autism Spectrum disorder is not a picnic, it's an issue that people must live and cope with on a day to day basis.
- "Triggers" are things that actually cause you to relive traumatic experiences and can disrupt normal daily life activities.  They are not things that simply "hurt your feelings" or "make you uncomfortable".  Like some of Army buddies that have "triggers", they don't expect society to conform to their problems and prevent triggers or put "Trigger Warnings" on everything that specifically bothers them.  They actually seek out professional help in dealing with the "triggers" and other issues with PTSD.
-You cannot be a b***h/a**hole to others because somebody picked on you in the past, and the person you're dealing with now happens to be in that demographic group of people who gave you s**t in the past.  Newsflash: Everyone on Earth has dealt with some kind of emotional pain at some point in their life, and your "struggles" are not unique to you or your demographic group.  In fact, you may be surprised at the types of people who share your problems.
- If you want respect, you have to show respect for other groups via "The Golden Rule".  It's okay to disagree with other people's opinions; that inevitably happens time and time again.  Saying, "Die (group of which you despise)! Just Die!" isn't going to reflect highly on yourself or the group you are trying to represent.  Again, I know this is not absolute, but it does help.

That's really all I have to say about that now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 09, 2014, 05:06:34 pm
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Flight Rising is Really Creepy

It just irks me. I get the appeal. It’s a strategy game where the goal is to use selective breeding to genetically engineer cool dragons. I just can’t get past the idea of a game that revolves around controlling the screwing privileges of dragons and getting them to pump out babies.

And am I correct in understanding that the characteristics controlled by breeding are strictly tied to appearance? A dragon’s abilities and stats are not tied to the genetic fitness of it’s parents? You can breed for whatever radical colors and markings you want without any genetic defects being passed along with them? As a person who takes a hard moral opposition to irresponsible breeding of animals in captivity, that’s kind of upsetting.

BUT I GET IT! It’s just a game. It doesn’t operate on real genetic principals and it’s not fair to compare it to real-life animal welfare issues. I mean, these are dragons. after all. They’re totally magic. So, I can’t really condemn this game. It’s brought a lot of joy to many people I know. It just doesn’t appeal too me personally… It’s to skeevy.

Maybe as the game developers continue to update and expand, they’ll even introduce starting stat bonuses to the breeding mechanics. That would be cool of them.

It's a pet site about breeding colorful dragons.  That's it.  Also, now they're getting pissy:

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you refer to the game as "skeevy" and "upsetting," "creepy" while going on your misinformed rant, how is that not hate? you must either be a troll or grossly unintelligent.

Those words constitute negative criticism.

At no point did I express any intolerance or hostility that would constitute the commonly excepted definition of “hate.”

Here are some direct quotes from the article in question which you have chosen to disregard:

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"It [Flight Rising] doesn’t operate on real genetic principals…"

And acknowledgment that the breeding process does not negatively impact the Dragons.

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"… and it’s not fair to compare it to real-life animal welfare issues."

Again, acknowledgement that Flight Rising is fantasy and there is nothing morally dubious taking place within the context of the game.
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"So, I can’t really condemn this game. It’s brought a lot of joy to many people I know. It just doesn’t appeal too me personally…”

Ouch. What a sick burn. I can’t believe I wrote that. <—- Sarcasm.

Criticism is a thing which everyone will encounter in their lives. Learning to give it due consideration, while not taking it personally, even when it’s negative is an essential skill. As an adult we owe it to ourselves and the people we interact with to do this.

To mislabel it as “hate” trivializes victims of actual hatred and discrimination.

So then what was the point of your damn post?  No really, what was the point?  You proclaim the game to be skeevy, then undermine your own assessment by saying it doesn't matter, because none of the real world conditions apply.  You then proclaim you were giving criticism, when in that post you negate your own criticism by, again, saying how pointless it is and that those criticisms don't apply here.  You can't claim to have a thoughtful criticism when you admit that the very points you're basing it on are meaningless in this context.  It's not criticism, it's just personal preference at this point.  You know what I think?  I think you shoved in those counter-arguments to your "criticism" for the sole purpose of deflecting criticism against you.

And if you think, "but Iosa, while they may have worded it poorly, I kind of get what they're saying", there's this:

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What's your stance on the Pokemon games?

I don’t have a moral stance on the Pokemon games.

Yeah, get in a moral tizzy over an internet dragon breeding, but feel nothing for a world-wide franchise whose main appeal is making animals fight each other (and also includes massive breeding projects).  Even those who don't play the game know that that's the main premise.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 10, 2014, 12:53:08 am
I've gotten to the point where I occasionally put really stupid trigger warnings on my posts, like "tw: the british" or "tw: buttholes".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 10, 2014, 01:04:54 am
tw: words

tw: trigger warnings
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 10, 2014, 01:10:50 am
tw: chitoryu post response

Honestly, these stupid things have gone way beyond what should be "necessary".

That aside, have some insane Vegans.

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observational-data
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Why do so many meat eaters think they’re lions?

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So basically,

if you do any of these things:

    consume meat (yes, that includes fish), dairy, eggs or any other animal derived “food” product
    wear leather/fur/wool/silk or any other animal derived form of “fashion”
    go to zoos/circusses and other places where animals are held in confinement for your viewing pleasure

you hate animals and no amount of bullshit rationalization can justify your participation in this fucking holocaust.

just a friendly reminder.

Another Vegan leaps on the PETA Meat = Holocaust bandwagon. How these people get up and think that animal lives are worth as much or more than human lives...I might never get it. But its just so fun to mock them.

https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m98t2xJF3s1recg03o1_500.jpg

That is not how arguments work. You do not get to say there is no argument, and then expect everyone to respect that.

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Kitten nearly dies from being fed a bullshit “vegan diet”.
Carnists: Omg vegans are disgusting, they’re so cruel how dare you do that to a poor animal!!!
Pigs, chickens, cows, goats, sheep, ducks, geese and marine animals murdered + abused in the millions daily.
Carnists: That’s a personal choice don’t shove your beliefs down my throat! Get off your high horse, vegans!!!! Animals are food!!!!

Cats are creatures under our care as pets. Pigs Chickens and Cows and et cetera were bred and created by us to be our food. That is the essential difference.

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i love how carnist have a problem with the tiniest percentage of vegans feeding their carnivorous pets a vegan diet but WONT SAY SHIT ABOUT MILLIONS COWS BEING FED CORN EVERY DAY, BIRDS BEING FORCED FED, TO THE POINT OF NOT EVEN BEING ABLE TO WALK. i’m laughing so hard because these people are saying vegans are abusing animals to fit their personal needs. WHAT WORLD ARE YOU LIVING IN??

First, learn proper grammar and sentence structure. Second, as I said before, some animals were made to simply be our food. If you release all those cows, for instance, what will happen to them? Why, they'll all die anyway. But I am willing to bet you say they're better off dying free than serving as food, simply because you're a smug moralist who likes having the high ground.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 10, 2014, 01:28:05 am
Quote from: niam2023 on June 10, 2014, 01:10:50 am
tw: chitoryu post response

Honestly, these stupid things have gone way beyond what should be "necessary".

That aside, have some insane Vegans.

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observational-data
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Why do so many meat eaters think they’re lions?

Why do so many vegans think they're cows?

Edit:

You know what I think about the whole "pronoun" movement?  I think it enforces gender roles and stereotypes rather than dismantle them, since the attitude seems to be "if you're noncomformative, you might need to "explore your gender" since you're obviously not completely a man/woman".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on June 10, 2014, 10:33:15 am
Honestly I can't understand why militant vegans force their vegetarianism on pets, especially carnivorous pets.  To me, that's animal abuse to not feed your pet its basic nutritional needs.  If your pet eats meat in the wild, feed it meat or don't have that pet.

Vegetarianism is a personal dietary choice much like personal political or religious beliefs.  Everyone has different beliefs than you, and you must learn to agree to disagree.  The more you force a particular belief against someone's will, the more that person is going to resist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 10, 2014, 12:33:14 pm
Quote from: Kat S. on June 10, 2014, 10:33:15 am
Honestly I can't understand why militant vegans force their vegetarianism on pets, especially carnivorous pets.  To me, that's animal abuse to not feed your pet its basic nutritional needs.  If your pet eats meat in the wild, feed it meat or don't have that pet.

Vegetarianism is a personal dietary choice much like personal political or religious beliefs.  Everyone has different beliefs than you, and you must learn to agree to disagree.  The more you force a particular belief against someone's will, the more that person is going to resist.

Hardcore vegans believe that humans and animals must live in peace and harmony, never using one another without permission. Since cows can't actually give permission to be milked, let alone killed and eaten, they find it barbaric to "take advantage of them." The most militant end up trying to prevent all killing altogether across the whole animal kingdom so the whole world can be at perfect peace.

They basically try to go against how the entire planet sustains itself by applying human morality to other creatures.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 10, 2014, 12:45:53 pm
Basically, they're the end result of the hippies.  THANKS, JOHN LENNON.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 10, 2014, 02:01:18 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on June 10, 2014, 12:33:14 pm
Quote from: Kat S. on June 10, 2014, 10:33:15 am
Honestly I can't understand why militant vegans force their vegetarianism on pets, especially carnivorous pets.  To me, that's animal abuse to not feed your pet its basic nutritional needs.  If your pet eats meat in the wild, feed it meat or don't have that pet.

Vegetarianism is a personal dietary choice much like personal political or religious beliefs.  Everyone has different beliefs than you, and you must learn to agree to disagree.  The more you force a particular belief against someone's will, the more that person is going to resist.

Hardcore vegans believe that humans and animals must live in peace and harmony, never using one another without permission. Since cows can't actually give permission to be milked, let alone killed and eaten, they find it barbaric to "take advantage of them." The most militant end up trying to prevent all killing altogether across the whole animal kingdom so the whole world can be at perfect peace.

They basically try to go against how the entire planet sustains itself by applying human morality to other creatures.

Um... don't cows suffer a lot of pain whenever they don't get milked because they produce that much milk?

One thing I do know for sure is that any vegan that protests sheep being sheared needs to be slapped over the head with reality itself.  Sheep get really freaking hot in the summer without being sheared, and not to mention, parasites....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 10, 2014, 02:10:28 pm
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Miss Nevada might be gorgeous, but needs to realize teaching self defense to women isn't the solution for ending sexual assault #YesAllWomen

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Miss Iowa says today's youth are narcissistic followed by Miss Nevada who wants to end rape with self defense classes Really? Sick #MissUSA

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Women shouldn't need to learn to protect themselves against rape #missnevada educate and respect yourself as a woman #rapeculture

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I get that the college sexual assault problem can't be solved in 30 secs but still icky to pretend like self defense is the answer. #MissUSA

Yes, God forbid women learn to defend themselves.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 10, 2014, 03:32:47 pm
They used the word "icky."  This invalidates their argument completely.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 10, 2014, 03:41:20 pm
I think the main problem a lot of people are seeing is the lack of focus on telling guys not to rape, or the misconception that rapes are all stranger in a dark alleyway scenarios.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 10, 2014, 03:43:52 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on June 10, 2014, 03:41:20 pm
I think the main problem a lot of people are seeing is the lack of focus on telling guys not to rape, or the misconception that rapes are all stranger in a dark alleyway scenarios.
I agree, we should try and eliminate rape culture.  However, it's just plain unrealistic to think that we can end rape entirely.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 10, 2014, 03:46:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 10, 2014, 03:43:52 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on June 10, 2014, 03:41:20 pm
I think the main problem a lot of people are seeing is the lack of focus on telling guys not to rape, or the misconception that rapes are all stranger in a dark alleyway scenarios.
I agree, we should try and eliminate rape culture.  However, it's just plain unrealistic to think that we can end rape entirely.
Tottally.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 10, 2014, 03:49:06 pm
Yes, in a perfect world nobody should have to learn self-defense, because everything would be puppies and rainbows and there would only be happiness and dreams, but you will never get your perfect utopia. you can't just "teach men not to rape" as if sexual assault was the class boys took just after Physics. There will always be crime of some sort, we may be able to lessen it but not stamp it out completely short of brain-washing. So if Miss Nevada wants to advocate self-defense, I fail to see the problem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 10, 2014, 03:58:33 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on June 10, 2014, 03:49:06 pm
Yes, in a perfect world nobody should have to learn self-defense, because everything would be puppies and rainbows and there would only be happiness and dreams, but you will never get your perfect utopia. you can't just "teach men not to rape" as if sexual assault was the class boys took just after Physics. There will always be crime of some sort, we may be able to lessen it but not stamp it out completely short of brain-washing. So if Miss Nevada wants to advocate self-defense, I fail to see the problem.

I will point out that "Self defense" is currently a short term solution at best, and that in the long run we're going to have to step up our efforts to end the culture of rape. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 10, 2014, 05:53:04 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on June 10, 2014, 03:58:33 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on June 10, 2014, 03:49:06 pm
Yes, in a perfect world nobody should have to learn self-defense, because everything would be puppies and rainbows and there would only be happiness and dreams, but you will never get your perfect utopia. you can't just "teach men not to rape" as if sexual assault was the class boys took just after Physics. There will always be crime of some sort, we may be able to lessen it but not stamp it out completely short of brain-washing. So if Miss Nevada wants to advocate self-defense, I fail to see the problem.

I will point out that "Self defense" is currently a short term solution at best, and that in the long run we're going to have to step up our efforts to end the culture of rape.

Short-term solutions can be applied while long-term solutions are being applied. Encouraging girls to learn how to defend themselves from assault and to be cautious and avoid entering dangerous situations (like binge drinking with strangers and not having sober friends or family to keep you safe), unlike some people try to claim, is NOT the same thing as victim blaming and the only thing it can do is help.

Rape cannot and will not go away, and it won't even noticeably decrease in a short period of time. While we work on gradually changing society to discourage rape, we should be teaching girls how to keep themselves safe.

You ever notice how nobody says that taking precautions to defend your home from burglary or learning how to defend yourself against someone trying to physically attack or kill you is "victim blaming"? It only gets accused of being that when talking about rape.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 10, 2014, 06:20:01 pm
Oh, I fully support teaching girls self defense (or how to tell a guy to fuck off or how to prevent yourself from being date-raped) .
I just wanted to say how I think it should be secondary to teaching everyone that rape is bad.
And yes, those tweets are silly and misguided.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on June 10, 2014, 06:35:22 pm
Me and my dad specifically taught my sister how to escape grapple holds and fight VERY dirty for this exact reason.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on June 10, 2014, 06:54:34 pm
Rape is basically a criminal justice problem at this stage. Like murder, theft and arson, rape is just part of the human condition. You can't eliminate it, any more than you can eliminate sadness.

What you can do is minimise it. What sorts of things would minimise rape? Would self-defence do it? No, not really. You get relative gains, not absolute gains. How about better education for potential rapists? Nup, probably not. "End the culture of rape". Tell me how we did "ending the culture of drugs"? This won't work. Less poverty? Yep, that has a big effect. More police? That would do it, I think. So long - and I think this is the key part of any anti-rape campaign - as the police actually take sexual assault seriously. You need to have high reporting rates, quite high prosecution rates, you need to not treat women like shit through the court system, you instantly fire any officer who doesn't get with the program...

This is something we learned from crime-fighting in New York: if you take one particular crime seriously, rates go down.

Look, women shouldn't have to live in a world where they have to be afraid of perhaps being raped. Unfortunately, they live in that world. People also shouldn't have to live in a world where their house might be burgled - and we live in that one too. The difference is that, if your house is burgled, you know the police won't blame you for it and walk away. That's the real crime - women can't trust the cops to protect them. They have nobody but themselves to rely on. That's bullshit! Let's fix that!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 10, 2014, 07:01:02 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Y2kAAS6.png)

Yes, how dare someone make a decision about her own body. Doesn't she realize that the world revolves around your narcissistic, self-indulged ass?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 10, 2014, 08:32:41 pm
Jesus, how fucking selfish does one have to be?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 10, 2014, 09:00:32 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 10, 2014, 08:32:41 pm
Jesus, how fucking selfish does one have to be?

Until they collapse into a singularity, most likely.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 10, 2014, 09:02:31 pm
Stupid selfish cunt... You know, that beached whale deserves all the abuse she gets. I hope the best for her friend.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 10, 2014, 09:14:56 pm
And the commenters on this blog post are just as self-centered and idiotic.  They're as much body shamers as the people they hate.  It's not enough to be accepting of fat people anymore, now we all have to aspire to be and stay fat like these fuckers or else they'll consider us "toxic oppressors". 

I'm sort of getting the vibe that this asshole is the one who's really suffering from internalized "fat hate", what with them insisting that fat friends need to stay fat around them and that not doing is psychologically harming them.  Yeah, I know there could be other reasons, but with how petty this asshole is being about the whole thing, treating weight loss as a personal slight and insisting that losing weight without their permission is "self-centered", it wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 10, 2014, 09:22:45 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 10, 2014, 09:02:31 pm
Stupid selfish cunt... You know, that beached whale deserves all the abuse she gets. I hope the best for her friend.

Was that really necessary?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 10, 2014, 09:25:51 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 10, 2014, 09:22:45 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 10, 2014, 09:02:31 pm
Stupid selfish cunt... You know, that beached whale deserves all the abuse she gets. I hope the best for her friend.

Was that really necessary?
I was just angry that some cunt begrudges others for wanting to lose weight, especially since I am trying to lose weight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 10, 2014, 09:32:30 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 10, 2014, 09:14:56 pm
And the commenters on this blog post are just as self-centered and idiotic.  They're as much body shamers as the people they hate.  It's not enough to be accepting of fat people anymore, now we all have to aspire to be and stay fat like these fuckers or else they'll consider us "toxic oppressors". 

I'm sort of getting the vibe that this asshole is the one who's really suffering from internalized "fat hate", what with them insisting that fat friends need to stay fat around them and that not doing is psychologically harming them.  Yeah, I know there could be other reasons, but with how petty this asshole is being about the whole thing, treating weight loss as a personal slight and insisting that losing weight without their permission is "self-centered", it wouldn't surprise me.

Actually, you might be right. If all of their overweight friends got fit and healthy, they would be left without companions that could just nod their heads and agree with everything they say about anti-fat oppressors.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Radiation on June 10, 2014, 09:38:56 pm
Quote from: Alehksunos on June 09, 2014, 03:44:08 am
Quote from: Damen on June 09, 2014, 02:06:16 am
Already posted. Last page, I think.

Also, I think this is going to piss off quite a few of our members here:

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/c91ccbd535e1154ef515adf836d781cc/tumblr_n61fmj1ZOz1ryeto5o1_400.png)

So, you want to be an Autistic person. Let me tell you about it, from the perspective of an actual Autistic person:

I hate being Autistic, so much. You are sensitive to all five of your feelings, and you have the whole internet making jokes about you, notably jokes about the hugbox.

I feel the internet is permanently scarred by the awful aftertaste left by many antics of Christian Weston Chandler, and jokes of fictional character crushes and other forms of obsession. I know, because Autistic people obsess about various things, often some of the strangest subject matter. Whether it be about locomotives, locomotive companies and locomotives across the globe, or watching an intro to a classic television show ad nauseum.

I doubt I've listed every useful insight, but how I feel about it is that I see it more as a "curse" than a "blessing". And some non-Autistics even see us like we're the X-Men or something.

This is the general attitude that I see on the CWCki forums and how they make fun of other "eccentric" people on the Internet. That forum makes me feel like I'm a loser and I am afraid of being discovered and turned into an "lolcow." These people have no empathy for the people that they make fun of.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 10, 2014, 09:40:15 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on June 10, 2014, 06:54:34 pm
Rape is basically a criminal justice problem at this stage. Like murder, theft and arson, rape is just part of the human condition. You can't eliminate it, any more than you can eliminate sadness.

What you can do is minimise it. What sorts of things would minimise rape? Would self-defence do it? No, not really. You get relative gains, not absolute gains. How about better education for potential rapists? Nup, probably not. "End the culture of rape". Tell me how we did "ending the culture of drugs"? This won't work. Less poverty? Yep, that has a big effect. More police? That would do it, I think. So long - and I think this is the key part of any anti-rape campaign - as the police actually take sexual assault seriously. You need to have high reporting rates, quite high prosecution rates, you need to not treat women like shit through the court system, you instantly fire any officer who doesn't get with the program...

This is something we learned from crime-fighting in New York: if you take one particular crime seriously, rates go down.

Look, women shouldn't have to live in a world where they have to be afraid of perhaps being raped. Unfortunately, they live in that world. People also shouldn't have to live in a world where their house might be burgled - and we live in that one too. The difference is that, if your house is burgled, you know the police won't blame you for it and walk away. That's the real crime - women can't trust the cops to protect them. They have nobody but themselves to rely on. That's bullshit! Let's fix that!
For this to even work you'd need to have people understand what constitutes rape (that is to say, make them understand it's not always "40 year old guy rapes 20 something girl in dark alleyway" rape), end the stigma that rape victims are   educate what is and is not consent, get victims to report without feeling ashamed, ect.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 10, 2014, 09:41:15 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 10, 2014, 09:25:51 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 10, 2014, 09:22:45 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 10, 2014, 09:02:31 pm
Stupid selfish cunt... You know, that beached whale deserves all the abuse she gets. I hope the best for her friend.

Was that really necessary?
I was just angry that some cunt begrudges others for wanting to lose weight, especially since I am trying to lose weight.
It's still a bit harsh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Radiation on June 10, 2014, 09:49:18 pm
I am iffy about weight loss surgeries as I have heard horror stories about them and I also have heard that most do regain their weight back somehow.

My sister is thinking of getting the lap band done and I strongly suggested that she does her research before doing anything drastic like that but if she is hellbent on getting it done then I can't tell her not to. It's her body and it's her choice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 10, 2014, 10:19:49 pm
Okay, I'm sorry I used the bw-slur. It was wrong of me, but the sentiment still stands, she's being extremely selfish.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on June 11, 2014, 12:49:13 am
Quote from: Dow Jones on June 10, 2014, 09:49:18 pm
I am iffy about weight loss surgeries as I have heard horror stories about them and I also have heard that most do regain their weight back somehow.

My sister is thinking of getting the lap band done and I strongly suggested that she does her research before doing anything drastic like that but if she is hellbent on getting it done then I can't tell her not to. It's her body and it's her choice.

If she is that adamant to press forward, make sure she gets a good bariatric surgeon with great patient ratings and referrals.  Getting a bargain surgeon is not worth the risk.  The bariatric surgery horror stories usually start out with a patient getting a bargain surgeon since Lap Band Surgery can cost anywhere from $15,000 to $30,000 USD in the United States, and the surgeon was willing to do it for cheaper.

I know people who've had various bariatric surgeries done.  Ultimately, the success of permanent weight loss isn't so much from the surgery, but the person willing to now comply to new dietary habits because of the surgery.  If the person doesn't want to change his/her eating habits, the surgery isn't going to do very much for them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on June 11, 2014, 07:01:00 am
There are risks with any surgery, and weight-loss surgery is no exception. Like Kat said, it's best to research your doctor so you're not stuck with a half-wit who will potentially put your health at risk. We have a family friend whose wife died because most doctors refused to do the procedure for her due to the risks, so she kept looking until she found one that was willing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 11, 2014, 08:38:08 am
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/25q8b5t.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 11, 2014, 07:16:03 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 11, 2014, 08:38:08 am
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That's weird, picture person, because about the time I read that, I immediately came to the conclusion that you're a complete dickhead.  Ain't that some shit?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 13, 2014, 06:20:54 pm
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I don't think you know what being gay means.
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/ff2bc2854f9c41de6e671c3afb34c6db/tumblr_n742ku9C6n1spc5n6o3_500.jpg)

End fathers day was started as a joke by 4Chan but it seems a few people are taking it seriously.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 13, 2014, 06:31:18 pm
(http://www.virgietovar.com/uploads/3/8/8/0/3880625/6884453_orig.jpg?0)

Wat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on June 13, 2014, 06:55:59 pm
I've heard of people liking villains in shows, movies, and comics, but that is just plain crazy.  Ursula is a villainous character from a Disney movie, not some kind metaphorical symbol of feminism rebelling against Patriarchy.

I'm a 90's kid, and I watched The Little Mermaid when it came out in theaters and again on VHS.  At no point did I see any characters as someone I should aspire to be.

Why?

Because even as a kid I knew this was just a cartoon movie about a story of a Mermaid who wanted to be with some guy from shore.  If by any chance there was supposed to be any message about Patriarchy and Feminism in the movie, I never caught it, and it went over my head.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 13, 2014, 08:05:10 pm
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From Shitrichcollegekidssay:

Anonymous said: Wtf is white culture? Stealing shit?

Stealing shit. Killing people. Colonizing places. Crying white tears.

Used to be an okay blog. Then the mods started to try to appeal to mad SJWs. Now I just go there if I want a laugh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 13, 2014, 08:10:56 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 13, 2014, 08:05:10 pm
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From Shitrichcollegekidssay:

Anonymous said: Wtf is white culture? Stealing shit?

Stealing shit. Killing people. Colonizing places. Crying white tears.

Used to be an okay blog. Then the mods started to try to appeal to mad SJWs. Now I just go there if I want a laugh.

I yelled at them once for bullshit about Sami tribes, race, and skin color, then never went back.

The blog stopped being about stupid shit rich college kids say and started being about SJW madness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 13, 2014, 09:03:50 pm
Ursula conned a teenage girl into giving up her voice for a man, then used the girl's own voice against her to hypnotize her man, then tried to keep Ariel as a slave. She's hardly a feminist icon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 13, 2014, 09:15:12 pm
The mirror side would be MRAs applauding Hans from Frozen as a Men's Rights Icon.

...Wait, do they actually do that?

They do, don't they?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 13, 2014, 09:23:12 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 13, 2014, 09:03:50 pm
Ursula conned a teenage girl into giving up her voice for a man, then used the girl's own voice against her to hypnotize her man, then tried to keep Ariel as a slave. She's hardly a feminist icon.

Seriously.  She wasn't a villain because "she was a nonconforming woman who dared to seek power", she was a villain because she fucking hurt people.

Fun fact:  Ursula has the fashion sense of a drag queen because she her design was based on Divine, an actual drag queen.  Also, according to wikipedia, Disney originally wanted Bea Arthur to do her voice.

Quote from: niam2023 on June 13, 2014, 09:15:12 pm
The mirror side would be MRAs applauding Hans from Frozen as a Men's Rights Icon.

...Wait, do they actually do that?

They do, don't they?

I don't know about MRAs, but I did see one person (http://kioewen.tumblr.com/post/66011868700/elsa-a-vindication-of-traditional-femininity-in) talk about how Frozen was great because it wasn't feminist, including how Hans was a good leader.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on June 13, 2014, 09:25:54 pm
I always imagined they would prefer Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 13, 2014, 09:43:07 pm
Quote from: Lilith on June 13, 2014, 09:25:54 pm
I always imagined they would prefer Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.
Same.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on June 14, 2014, 02:44:42 pm
Quote from: Lilith on June 13, 2014, 09:25:54 pm
I always imagined they would prefer Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.
No, they see him and think of the jock that picked on them in high school. They'd have more in common with Lawrence from The Princess and the Frog.
(http://www.cornel1801.com/disney/Princess-Frog-2009/characters/Lawrence.jpg)
Think about it: He's jealous and resentful towards the more attractive and charming male lead, pities himself despite being fairly well off, and takes part in a complex scheme that he hopes will end in him getting a hot wife. It's even outright stated that he had issues with the women in his life. You can practically hear them saying "He only tried to sacrifice New Orleans to demons because he was sick of bitches pushing him around!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 14, 2014, 11:40:03 pm
So, someone posed a question to anti-truscum and tucutes (i.e. people who claim to be trans with no dysphoria), and this is a conversation (I've decided to bold the responder to the question for easier reading):

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I was wondering, for the people who are anti-truscum or just not truscum, what is your definition of trans? What requirements should you have, what do you need, to be trans?

You are trans if you do not fully identify as the gender you were assigned at birth.

Can you expand further on this?  Some people might say that meaning “you don’t adhere to gender stereotypes” (which does not make you trans in any way) but others might say it meaning “you feel a disconnect with the gender you were assigned at birth” (which sounds like dysphoria and depending on what the disconnect is then yes).

There’s nothing to expand on. You were assigned a gender at birth, and if later you say, “This gender is not an accurate description of my gender, but this other gender or lack of gender is,” then you have the right to call yourself trans. It’s not about being gender nonconforming. It’s about actually identifying as a different gender than the one you were assigned or as no gender.

Yes, the part that needs to be expanded on is the identify part.  What does it mean to identify as another gender?

I say, “I am male.” I identify as male. That’s it. You say, “I identify as this. Please refer to me by this identity.”

Yes, but how did you or anyone for that matter come to the conclusion that they identify with a certain gender?  What was the driving factor that led them to this conclusion?

I don’t fucking know. And honestly it doesn’t matter. You don’t need to understand something to know that it’s true or to respect it and accept it as truth. I don’t fucking understand rocket science, but I sure as fuck believe what rocket scientists say about rockets.

A third person responded to that last bit with:

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But apparently you don’t believe what dysphoric trans people (aka trans people) say about what makes someone trans (ie dysphoria). 

Edit:  Also, according to urban dictionary, tucutes also support the "nounself" (bunself, faeself, etc.) movement.

Edit Edit:  Don't visit the truscum or tucute tags.  It has enough vitriol and hatred to break this thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 14, 2014, 11:42:09 pm
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Sexism in my French class:

One cannot help but notice the smile on all the fully grown females, but not on the little girl? Alright, let’s start chronologically; you see that the infant is (une fille ) a girl, and her expression is pretty much neutral. Then you see the childhood years where the little boy’s facial expression is neutral to a tad happy, whereas the girl’s facial expression is oppressed and far from happy; one could go on a limb and say she represents rebellion.

However, you see the adult women are smiling their 50’s good housewives 100wat smile. On the contrary, the males’ facial expression basically represent indifference.

You see how the female’s expression changed over the years. At first you can tell she wasn’t complying with the society’s pre conceived notion that women should not object, but as she grew older, the alleged wrinkle was ironed out and you see her smiling. In conclusion, if women don’t smile and express sheer exhilaration as part of their obligatory devotion to their happy marriage, then they would ruin the ‘American Dream’ family standards propaganda, and that is, god forbid, frowned upon.

I cannot help but rationalize this illustration, and come up with the realization that whoever drew this is a creature with testicles.

(http://i.imgur.com/LLRvGvw.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 15, 2014, 12:16:35 am
But the little girl is smiling?  Seriously, it looks exactly like the boy's expression.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on June 15, 2014, 12:28:03 am
Why must people put so much deeper meaning in things? First children's cartoons, now French textbooks? WHEN WILL THE MADNESS STOP?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 15, 2014, 05:21:53 am
So, this month I joined Flight Rising, which is a site where you breed dragons to get different color combos.  It chunk of its userbase also seems to be full of "nounself" people (I saw one person say they went by "lambself").  Someone on tumblr posted a rant about it (http://dramarising.tumblr.com/post/88818863578/truscum-and-nounself-prounouns) which got this response:

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i’m going to say a couple things, and step out from this entirely without ending up on like, bitchrising or whatever. because that happened.
unless the person is being appropriative or racist or whatever, you have no right to police how someone expresses their gender, end of story. You are no in place to be policing someone’s pronouns. Like, ever.

You’re definitely truscum lol


Sometimes I really wish all of tumblr would just crash and burn.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 15, 2014, 05:24:00 am
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on June 15, 2014, 12:28:03 am
Why must people put so much deeper meaning in things? First children's cartoons, now French textbooks? WHEN WILL THE MADNESS STOP?!
Next thing you know, people will be seeing Jesus is a piece of burnt toast or a dog's arse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 15, 2014, 05:41:12 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 15, 2014, 05:24:00 am
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on June 15, 2014, 12:28:03 am
Why must people put so much deeper meaning in things? First children's cartoons, now French textbooks? WHEN WILL THE MADNESS STOP?!
Next thing you know, people will be seeing Jesus is a piece of burnt toast or a dog's arse.

If I look hard enough, I can see him in my kitchen cupboard doors.  I'm not even joking.

The kitchen closet doors right next to it are much better.  I can a dragon face.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 15, 2014, 06:40:38 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 15, 2014, 05:21:53 am
So, this month I joined Flight Rising, which is a site where you breed dragons to get different color combos.  It chunk of its userbase also seems to be full of "nounself" people (I saw one person say they went by "lambself").  Someone on tumblr posted a rant about it (http://dramarising.tumblr.com/post/88818863578/truscum-and-nounself-prounouns) which got this response:

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i’m going to say a couple things, and step out from this entirely without ending up on like, bitchrising or whatever. because that happened.
unless the person is being appropriative or racist or whatever, you have no right to police how someone expresses their gender, end of story. You are no in place to be policing someone’s pronouns. Like, ever.

You’re definitely truscum lol


Sometimes I really wish all of tumblr would just crash and burn.

I won't "police" someone's gender identity, but I absolutely will question personalized pronouns because they completely undermine the purpose of pronouns in language. We have he/she/they, and those work for everyone. I'd be down for a dedicated singular gender-neutral pronoun catching on, since "they" can be clumsy and confusing at times, but special snowflake crap like "bunself" is utterly useless. If you want something specific to call yourself, be like the rest of us and rely on this amazing thing you have called a first name.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 15, 2014, 04:36:16 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 15, 2014, 06:40:38 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 15, 2014, 05:21:53 am
So, this month I joined Flight Rising, which is a site where you breed dragons to get different color combos.  It chunk of its userbase also seems to be full of "nounself" people (I saw one person say they went by "lambself").  Someone on tumblr posted a rant about it (http://dramarising.tumblr.com/post/88818863578/truscum-and-nounself-prounouns) which got this response:

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i’m going to say a couple things, and step out from this entirely without ending up on like, bitchrising or whatever. because that happened.
unless the person is being appropriative or racist or whatever, you have no right to police how someone expresses their gender, end of story. You are no in place to be policing someone’s pronouns. Like, ever.

You’re definitely truscum lol


Sometimes I really wish all of tumblr would just crash and burn.

I won't "police" someone's gender identity, but I absolutely will question personalized pronouns because they completely undermine the purpose of pronouns in language. We have he/she/they, and those work for everyone. I'd be down for a dedicated singular gender-neutral pronoun catching on, since "they" can be clumsy and confusing at times, but special snowflake crap like "bunself" is utterly useless. If you want something specific to call yourself, be like the rest of us and rely on this amazing thing you have called a first name.

Also, as the ranter explains, these nouns aren't even genders.  Of course, browsing the truscum and tucute tags last night, it seems tucutes are now saying that not only is gender a social construct (which it is), but biological sex is a also a social construct.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 15, 2014, 08:35:24 pm
......biological sex is a social construct........

Ironbite-NOPE NOT GONNA DO IT!  *is forcefully pulled away from a big red button*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 15, 2014, 10:02:03 pm
If it isn't a social construct, then why am I pregnant?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on June 15, 2014, 10:02:50 pm
http://quasiboi.co.vu/post/88687837868/okay-so-heres-another-huge-list

Im crying tears of joy
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 15, 2014, 10:20:24 pm
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/7b/7b8487213f83713a1bc47c403747b0cd7f73d5fcc463159bf139f1044806a50b.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on June 15, 2014, 10:21:47 pm
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Quoiromantic Pride

Quoiromantic means to be attracted to another individual but that attraction is indistinguishable between romantic and platonic

Stargender Pride

Stargender is a more abstract gender than I can really conceptualise myself but here are (http://nbqt.tumblr.com/post/74798543114/a-post-about-star-gender-more-uh-i-guess-i) two posts (http://nbqt.tumblr.com/post/80923969374/a-better-articulated-post-about-star-gender) by the coiner nbqt who explains it for all of you

These were the most lolwut I could find on there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 15, 2014, 10:22:18 pm
Allow me to post that individual's description of themselves.

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Okay hi I’m Lexandre, Lex for short.  I’m a 19 y/o boi living on the East Coast of the US. I am requiessexual and requiesromantic and thus a perioriented individual. Both of those terms are orientations under the asexuality and aromantic labels that mean that I have little to no romantic or sexual attraction after being mentally and emotionally exhausted. I also have that polysexual flag up there because my attraction is p much all genders or lack there of with an exclusion of men and trans masc individuals.

It’s weird I know ahahaha

My Pronouns are se/sym/syr/symself and you can read more on how to pronounce them and decline them right over here . My Auxiliary pronouns are the typical they/them pronouns. DO NOT USE SHE OR HE PRONOUNS FOR ME PLEASE.

My gender is just as complicated as my sexuality if not more so.  I’m an Agender Boi.  Agender should be pretty self-explanatory but the Boi part ain’t.  I’m not male in the slightest, I reject masculinity and cisness in every way I possibly can right now.  Boi has several meanings raging from a transgender individual to a butch lesbian and other stuff in between.  The definition seems pretty fluid and varied from what I’ve seen tho.

I choose to apply the boi label to myself in a way that’s like a mix of both those connotations and other stuff in between.  It’s hard for me to even explain ahaha. I identify someone with femininity and somewhat, moreso actually, with neutrality. My presentation irl is that of a stud or butch individual and I fucking love it. 

As for gender related terms you can use for me: boi and prinxe are my faves.  Also person and stud are good too.  Basically any gender neutral terminology works for me.

I identify as otherkin sorta???  Fawn, tumblr user nicepieceofvulcanass, introduced me recently to the term demikin and I think that works nicely for me. Like I’m semi-kin lol.  I do NOT think I am non-human I simply identify strongly with certain animals, cats and hyaenas especially. 

I’m neurodivergant.  I am Autistic, Depressed, Borderline and have PTSD.  I have several triggers that I’ve talked about right here that I’d appreciate you tagging c:

Oh privileges!! AFAB, dyadic, and able-bodied.  That’s p much it I think

And here’s a FAQ for you c:

It's like a Mad Libs of Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on June 15, 2014, 10:58:13 pm
Seriously, is there some sort of Special Snowflake Olympic competition going on in Tumblr?  What's the prize for being the most "special snowflake"?

What is so wrong with using she and he interchangeably like what RuPaul does?  I agree with what Mlle Antéchrist stated about personal pronouns, especially when this person doesn't like gender pronouns but is ok with being called "boi" and "stud" both of which have masculine connotations to them.

Also, this poster claims PTSD.  If s/he (yes I totally went there)has it by diagnosis of a behavioral health specialist, I hope that person actually is seeking professional help outside of Tumblr.  If "Lex" simply labeled self as PTSD because it's the new thing to self diagnose in excuse for maladaptive behavior, then screw "Lex".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 15, 2014, 11:14:49 pm
He played to much minecraft and now he gets freaked out whenever he hears hissing.

But seriously, unless his mother was shot in front of them or something then they are, as Tumblr would say, trash.


Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 16, 2014, 01:29:00 am
I reblogged it;

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Wow, did it hurt to make up so many words? Because seriously, how many of these are gonna be mentioned OUTSIDE of Tumblr.

This post is like Where’s Waldo, but what I’m looking for is applicability to the real world.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 16, 2014, 01:43:02 am
Quote from: Kat S. on June 15, 2014, 10:58:13 pm
Seriously, is there some sort of Special Snowflake Olympic competition going on in Tumblr?  What's the prize for being the most "special snowflake"?

What is so wrong with using she and he interchangeably like what RuPaul does?  I agree with what Mlle Antéchrist stated about personal pronouns, especially when this person doesn't like gender pronouns but is ok with being called "boi" and "stud" both of which have masculine connotations to them.

Also, this poster claims PTSD.  If s/he (yes I totally went there)has it by diagnosis of a behavioral health specialist, I hope that person actually is seeking professional help outside of Tumblr.  If "Lex" simply labeled self as PTSD because it's the new thing to self diagnose in excuse for maladaptive behavior, then screw "Lex".

One of my theories is that most of these are a) young (teen to young adult), and b) really fucking bored with themselves.  Just look at their profiles; their identities revolve around their gender and special labels.  There's nothing else to them except being part of a "special group".  Sure, they might throw in a few hobbies, but those take a back seat to shoving all their labels out there.  It's like these labels are all they have to make themselves stand out.

There's also the fact that there's something satisfying about righteously declaring "I'm one of you guys, I'm struggling too, and I'm definitely not part of the majority demographic that marginalizes you!".  I blame it on the romanticization of "inspirational suffering/martyrdom" in combination with not wanting tumblr to accuse them of "being part of the oppressors".  Because really, how many of you honestly believe any of these nounself people use their pronouns in real life?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 16, 2014, 01:46:54 am
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Requeissexual Pride

Requiessexual/romantic means to have limited or no sexual attraction/interest/activity due to some form of emotional exhaustion. Emotional exhaustion may be the result of previous sexual endeavors and past experiences dealing with sexuality, or from something else just as emotionally draining.

So... like any other person after a bad breakup/going through some rough shit?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 16, 2014, 02:19:38 am
I wonder how many of them are taking the piss.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on June 16, 2014, 03:06:49 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 16, 2014, 01:46:54 am
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Requeissexual Pride

Requiessexual/romantic means to have limited or no sexual attraction/interest/activity due to some form of emotional exhaustion. Emotional exhaustion may be the result of previous sexual endeavors and past experiences dealing with sexuality, or from something else just as emotionally draining.

So... like any other person after a bad breakup/going through some rough shit?

That doesn't need a name.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 16, 2014, 10:30:30 am
Quote from: Lt. Fred on June 16, 2014, 03:06:49 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 16, 2014, 01:46:54 am
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Requeissexual Pride

Requiessexual/romantic means to have limited or no sexual attraction/interest/activity due to some form of emotional exhaustion. Emotional exhaustion may be the result of previous sexual endeavors and past experiences dealing with sexuality, or from something else just as emotionally draining.

So... like any other person after a bad breakup/going through some rough shit?

That doesn't need a name.

The vast majority of these don't need a name.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 16, 2014, 08:40:37 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 16, 2014, 01:29:00 am
I reblogged it;

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Wow, did it hurt to make up so many words? Because seriously, how many of these are gonna be mentioned OUTSIDE of Tumblr.

This post is like Where’s Waldo, but what I’m looking for is applicability to the real world.

If you get a response and don't post it we're no longer friends.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 17, 2014, 01:11:50 am
No worries, ironbite, if I get a direct response, I will post it on here.

I find myself looking forward to you dissecting their response.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 17, 2014, 03:49:57 am
So, someone ranted about otherkin, and got this response:

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You have NO business telling people what religious beliefs are real or not. That is disrespectful no matter your beliefs and you need to get off your high horse.

You have also have NO idea that a lot of otherkin DON’T accept mythical creatures as “legit” and “real”. Not all of us are “insane people who think they’re mythical creatures.

I agree that otherkin don’t need pronouns. Hell, I think beliefs are extremely private no one should even know.

You’re just being extremely harmful and disrespectful.

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Hi anon named “otherkin r full of crap”

I love the anon name you used, it really does make you sound mature and balanced throughout the discussion about Otherkins.

I’m just going to point out labeling all Otherkin as fictional animals or mystical animals is an extremely harmful label to everyone who calls themselves as an Otherkin. Can’t you just quit at wolf? Maybe a cat, lion, leopard, anything but some other than mythical creatures? The way you seem to word it actually very generalized and misinformed.

Not all Otherkin accept mythical/fictional/literature/paranormal creatures as real Otherkin, and it’s a very delicate (and old!) topic within the community that you seem to have no knowledge about other than the definition of the name Otherkin.

Just pointing it out.

PS: I don’t really use pronouns to denote species; that’s part of my religion and I believe religion should be personal. So I agree with you, just not the way you generalized Otherkins.

So wait, are they leaving "I'm transspecies" and going for "this is my religion" now?  Also, got to love the hypocrisy; "Stop making fun of otherkin and their identities!  It's really important and sacred to them, and just as valid as anything else!  But mythical/fantasy otherkin can go fuck themselves.  We don't see them as real otherkin!"  Wow, maybe it really is a religion.

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all right can we clear something up here about the nounself pronouns? they are not denoting gender. they do not show gender identification. they are primarily used by otherkin to denote species—not gender. these pronouns are chosen on the basis of making the individual comfortable and are not related to their gender identity at all. at all. i do not find it okay for people to spread this misinformation. many otherkin are trans and nonbinary and the ones i personally know have to constantly correct people on this mistake. please do not say that nounself pronouns are denoting gender. they are not.

Maybe if you didn't demand they be used as your personal pronouns, people wouldn't think it had anything to do with gender.  Because that's the point of pronouns.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 17, 2014, 08:42:34 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 17, 2014, 03:49:57 am
So wait, are they leaving "I'm transspecies" and going for "this is my religion" now?  Also, got to love the hypocrisy; "Stop making fun of otherkin and their identities!  It's really important and sacred to them, and just as valid as anything else!  But mythical/fantasy otherkin can go fuck themselves.  We don't see them as real otherkin!"  Wow, maybe it really is a religion.

It seems that way.  Though, I do think it takes a really special kind of stupid to not only claim that you're basically not human, but to then take it one step further and claim that you're a creature that doesn't even fuckin exist outside fiction and/or paranoid delusions.

I do have to thank Tumblr for one thing, though: it made writing papers for my online English Comp class a hell of a lot easier and a lot more fun.  Mostly because social justice (though she didn't use that name specifically) things were our topics, but it was still fun to dissect them while they're still alive.  Formaldehyde makes me wanna vomit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 17, 2014, 07:44:31 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 17, 2014, 03:49:57 am
Maybe if you didn't demand they be used as your personal pronouns, people wouldn't think it had anything to do with gender.  Because that's the point of pronouns.

To be fair, the point of pronouns is to have a short way of talking about someone or something without repeating the name all the time, and has nothing to do with gender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 17, 2014, 10:12:37 pm
But we don't need pronouns for each person.

If we're that desperate to make it unique, then we should just use their name repeatedly instead of pronouns.

But we don't because it sounds stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 17, 2014, 11:06:59 pm
Fully agreed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on June 17, 2014, 11:34:48 pm
Good luck with the term boi. The only time i hear it is in godawful gay porn
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 18, 2014, 12:39:36 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on June 17, 2014, 11:34:48 pm
Good luck with the term boi. The only time i hear it is in godawful gay porn
You know porn is bad if Hofstadter thinks it's awful.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on June 18, 2014, 01:22:26 am
Quote from: I am lizard on June 18, 2014, 12:39:36 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on June 17, 2014, 11:34:48 pm
Good luck with the term boi. The only time i hear it is in godawful gay porn
You know porn is bad if Hofstadter thinks it's awful.

Can i breed your boicunt?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on June 18, 2014, 01:43:31 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on June 18, 2014, 01:22:26 am
Quote from: I am lizard on June 18, 2014, 12:39:36 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on June 17, 2014, 11:34:48 pm
Good luck with the term boi. The only time i hear it is in godawful gay porn
You know porn is bad if Hofstadter thinks it's awful.

Can i breed your boicunt?

I've been around you too much: I can translate that into not-creepy-gay-speak. :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 18, 2014, 06:09:06 pm
Presented without comment:

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/206ecd544fe2905de8a22b8877d12634/tumblr_n7dgoxF0KP1s5z3gyo1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 18, 2014, 06:23:40 pm
There's a whole series of those: http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2013/09/unfit-for-product-placement-radicalizing-the-cartoon-characters-of-our-childhoods/
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on June 18, 2014, 06:39:48 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 18, 2014, 06:09:06 pm
Presented without comment:

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/206ecd544fe2905de8a22b8877d12634/tumblr_n7dgoxF0KP1s5z3gyo1_1280.png)
Having been subjected to the show far, far too much (parenting is hell), I always enjoyed this take on Dora:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnpTcrtsN3U
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 04:51:57 pm
Quote
I've done some thinking:
I understand that humanity's unconscious desires put "absolute control" at the top of their priorities, but honestly, having a woman be a submissive slave that only thinks of pleasing you is just one fucked up fetish. Worse still would be harem works, where I've noticed a pattern that 85% of the women are either pure submissive or weak-willed Tsunderes, while only the remaining 15% can be legitimately called "human".
And then I did some more thinking, and realized that the idea that women are nothing but slaves and childbearers is what all human society has been raised up as, and it took until women were given the right to vote that anyone finally started seeing the reflective parts of the glass ceiling.
So that's basically a story of why I've decided that all shipping fics are 100% bad. Because if humanity can't understand the point of Rey Ayanami, then I have no reason to regard them as human beings.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 19, 2014, 04:54:04 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 04:51:57 pm
Quote
I've done some thinking:
I understand that humanity's unconscious desires put "absolute control" at the top of their priorities, but honestly, having a woman be a submissive slave that only thinks of pleasing you is just one fucked up fetish. Worse still would be harem works, where I've noticed a pattern that 85% of the women are either pure submissive or weak-willed Tsunderes, while only the remaining 15% can be legitimately called "human".
And then I did some more thinking, and realized that the idea that women are nothing but slaves and childbearers is what all human society has been raised up as, and it took until women were given the right to vote that anyone finally started seeing the reflective parts of the glass ceiling.
So that's basically a story of why I've decided that all shipping fics are 100% bad. Because if humanity can't understand the point of Rey Ayanami, then I have no reason to regard them as human beings.

If they can't be bothered to spell "Rei" properly, then I can't be arsed to care about what they think.

And this is coming from a person that, generally speaking, rather dislikes Evangelion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on June 19, 2014, 04:57:38 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 04:51:57 pm
Quote
I've done some thinking:
I understand that humanity's unconscious desires put "absolute control" at the top of their priorities, but honestly, having a woman be a submissive slave that only thinks of pleasing you is just one fucked up fetish. Worse still would be harem works, where I've noticed a pattern that 85% of the women are either pure submissive or weak-willed Tsunderes, while only the remaining 15% can be legitimately called "human".
And then I did some more thinking, and realized that the idea that women are nothing but slaves and childbearers is what all human society has been raised up as, and it took until women were given the right to vote that anyone finally started seeing the reflective parts of the glass ceiling.
So that's basically a story of why I've decided that all shipping fics are 100% bad. Because if humanity can't understand the point of Rey Ayanami, then I have no reason to regard them as human beings.

WTF?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 19, 2014, 06:36:38 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 04:51:57 pm
Quote
I've done some thinking:
I understand that humanity's unconscious desires put "absolute control" at the top of their priorities, but honestly, having a woman be a submissive slave that only thinks of pleasing you is just one fucked up fetish. Worse still would be harem works, where I've noticed a pattern that 85% of the women are either pure submissive or weak-willed Tsunderes, while only the remaining 15% can be legitimately called "human".
And then I did some more thinking, and realized that the idea that women are nothing but slaves and childbearers is what all human society has been raised up as, and it took until women were given the right to vote that anyone finally started seeing the reflective parts of the glass ceiling.
So that's basically a story of why I've decided that all shipping fics are 100% bad. Because if humanity can't understand the point of Rey Ayanami, then I have no reason to regard them as human beings.
I have no idea what this says but it's wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 19, 2014, 07:14:19 pm
Quote
newsflash, people can fully identify with a different gender than the one they were born with without hating their body. this is a thing which happens whether you like it or not so maybe shut up and deal with it and stop trying to tell other people how they’re allowed to identify lol

You know, while browsing through the truscum/tucute tags, I found someone who made an interesting observation about tucutes; that, from their experience, most tucutes don't actually understand what disphoria is.  They said that, from most of the tucutes they'd seen, it sounded like they had minor dysphoria, with the rest making the mistake of basing gender identity on conformity.  If this is true, then it would explain a lot, since it seems that the majority of tucutes think 'dysphoria' means "I hate my crotch so much I want to stab it with a knife god I hate myself for being born wrong".  Maybe some people here with personal experience can enlighten me; does 'dysphoria' automatically mean 'hate'?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 19, 2014, 11:08:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on June 19, 2014, 06:36:38 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 04:51:57 pm
Quote
I've done some thinking:
I understand that humanity's unconscious desires put "absolute control" at the top of their priorities, but honestly, having a woman be a submissive slave that only thinks of pleasing you is just one fucked up fetish. Worse still would be harem works, where I've noticed a pattern that 85% of the women are either pure submissive or weak-willed Tsunderes, while only the remaining 15% can be legitimately called "human".
And then I did some more thinking, and realized that the idea that women are nothing but slaves and childbearers is what all human society has been raised up as, and it took until women were given the right to vote that anyone finally started seeing the reflective parts of the glass ceiling.
So that's basically a story of why I've decided that all shipping fics are 100% bad. Because if humanity can't understand the point of Rey Ayanami, then I have no reason to regard them as human beings.
I have no idea what this says but it's wrong.

It says that shipping fanfics tend to be power fantasies with weak and submissive women, blames the patriarchy for it, and concludes that shipping fics are universally bad, which may or may not be hyperbole.

It's not very well expressed. I tried to look at it in context but it didn't help (it's a comment in this YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMNRKz07uf4), which I didn't watch through because I got bored and I'd rather not waste ten minutes of my life trying to figure out context for a YouTube comment. So I have no idea if it's in response to something in the video or not)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 11:14:13 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 19, 2014, 11:08:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on June 19, 2014, 06:36:38 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 04:51:57 pm
Quote
I've done some thinking:
I understand that humanity's unconscious desires put "absolute control" at the top of their priorities, but honestly, having a woman be a submissive slave that only thinks of pleasing you is just one fucked up fetish. Worse still would be harem works, where I've noticed a pattern that 85% of the women are either pure submissive or weak-willed Tsunderes, while only the remaining 15% can be legitimately called "human".
And then I did some more thinking, and realized that the idea that women are nothing but slaves and childbearers is what all human society has been raised up as, and it took until women were given the right to vote that anyone finally started seeing the reflective parts of the glass ceiling.
So that's basically a story of why I've decided that all shipping fics are 100% bad. Because if humanity can't understand the point of Rey Ayanami, then I have no reason to regard them as human beings.
I have no idea what this says but it's wrong.

It says that shipping fanfics tend to be power fantasies with weak and submissive women, blames the patriarchy for it, and concludes that shipping fics are universally bad, which may or may not be hyperbole.

It's not very well expressed. I tried to look at it in context but it didn't help (it's a comment in this YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMNRKz07uf4), which I didn't watch through because I got bored and I'd rather not waste ten minutes of my life trying to figure out context for a YouTube comment. So I have no idea if it's in response to something in the video or not)
Long story short, it was a Retsupurae making fun of a Fire Emblem ROM hack where the creator's self-insert was romancing a canon character.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 20, 2014, 12:26:30 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 11:14:13 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 19, 2014, 11:08:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on June 19, 2014, 06:36:38 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 04:51:57 pm
Quote
I've done some thinking:
I understand that humanity's unconscious desires put "absolute control" at the top of their priorities, but honestly, having a woman be a submissive slave that only thinks of pleasing you is just one fucked up fetish. Worse still would be harem works, where I've noticed a pattern that 85% of the women are either pure submissive or weak-willed Tsunderes, while only the remaining 15% can be legitimately called "human".
And then I did some more thinking, and realized that the idea that women are nothing but slaves and childbearers is what all human society has been raised up as, and it took until women were given the right to vote that anyone finally started seeing the reflective parts of the glass ceiling.
So that's basically a story of why I've decided that all shipping fics are 100% bad. Because if humanity can't understand the point of Rey Ayanami, then I have no reason to regard them as human beings.
I have no idea what this says but it's wrong.

It says that shipping fanfics tend to be power fantasies with weak and submissive women, blames the patriarchy for it, and concludes that shipping fics are universally bad, which may or may not be hyperbole.

It's not very well expressed. I tried to look at it in context but it didn't help (it's a comment in this YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMNRKz07uf4), which I didn't watch through because I got bored and I'd rather not waste ten minutes of my life trying to figure out context for a YouTube comment. So I have no idea if it's in response to something in the video or not)
Long story short, it was a Retsupurae making fun of a Fire Emblem ROM hack where the creator's self-insert was romancing a canon character.
<off-topic>When I first saw the term "self-insert" when I was a teenager, my mind jumped to a dirty place.</off-topic>

I do agree that most shipping fanfiction is bad, but there are more reasons than the treatment of women. It has more to do with lackluster writing and unrealistic characterization, if not outright derailment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Yla on June 20, 2014, 05:20:23 am
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 20, 2014, 12:26:30 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 11:14:13 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 19, 2014, 11:08:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on June 19, 2014, 06:36:38 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 04:51:57 pm
Quote
I've done some thinking:
I understand that humanity's unconscious desires put "absolute control" at the top of their priorities, but honestly, having a woman be a submissive slave that only thinks of pleasing you is just one fucked up fetish. Worse still would be harem works, where I've noticed a pattern that 85% of the women are either pure submissive or weak-willed Tsunderes, while only the remaining 15% can be legitimately called "human".
And then I did some more thinking, and realized that the idea that women are nothing but slaves and childbearers is what all human society has been raised up as, and it took until women were given the right to vote that anyone finally started seeing the reflective parts of the glass ceiling.
So that's basically a story of why I've decided that all shipping fics are 100% bad. Because if humanity can't understand the point of Rey Ayanami, then I have no reason to regard them as human beings.
I have no idea what this says but it's wrong.

It says that shipping fanfics tend to be power fantasies with weak and submissive women, blames the patriarchy for it, and concludes that shipping fics are universally bad, which may or may not be hyperbole.

It's not very well expressed. I tried to look at it in context but it didn't help (it's a comment in this YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMNRKz07uf4), which I didn't watch through because I got bored and I'd rather not waste ten minutes of my life trying to figure out context for a YouTube comment. So I have no idea if it's in response to something in the video or not)
Long story short, it was a Retsupurae making fun of a Fire Emblem ROM hack where the creator's self-insert was romancing a canon character.
<off-topic>When I first saw the term "self-insert" when I was a teenager, my mind jumped to a dirty place.</off-topic>

I do agree that most shipping fanfiction is bad, but there are more reasons than the treatment of women. It has more to do with lackluster writing and unrealistic characterization, if not outright derailment.
First paragraph: I don't match the 85% observation, but agree with the conclusion.
Second paragraph: Maybe a bit exaggerating, but still general agreement.
Third paragraph first sentence: non sequitur. You said earlier that 15% are okay, so why are these bad now, too?
Third paragraph second sentence: wait what

Overall, I don't think this quote belongs in this thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 20, 2014, 10:49:58 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 20, 2014, 12:26:30 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 11:14:13 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 19, 2014, 11:08:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on June 19, 2014, 06:36:38 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2014, 04:51:57 pm
Quote
I've done some thinking:
I understand that humanity's unconscious desires put "absolute control" at the top of their priorities, but honestly, having a woman be a submissive slave that only thinks of pleasing you is just one fucked up fetish. Worse still would be harem works, where I've noticed a pattern that 85% of the women are either pure submissive or weak-willed Tsunderes, while only the remaining 15% can be legitimately called "human".
And then I did some more thinking, and realized that the idea that women are nothing but slaves and childbearers is what all human society has been raised up as, and it took until women were given the right to vote that anyone finally started seeing the reflective parts of the glass ceiling.
So that's basically a story of why I've decided that all shipping fics are 100% bad. Because if humanity can't understand the point of Rey Ayanami, then I have no reason to regard them as human beings.
I have no idea what this says but it's wrong.

It says that shipping fanfics tend to be power fantasies with weak and submissive women, blames the patriarchy for it, and concludes that shipping fics are universally bad, which may or may not be hyperbole.

It's not very well expressed. I tried to look at it in context but it didn't help (it's a comment in this YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMNRKz07uf4), which I didn't watch through because I got bored and I'd rather not waste ten minutes of my life trying to figure out context for a YouTube comment. So I have no idea if it's in response to something in the video or not)
Long story short, it was a Retsupurae making fun of a Fire Emblem ROM hack where the creator's self-insert was romancing a canon character.
<off-topic>When I first saw the term "self-insert" when I was a teenager, my mind jumped to a dirty place.</off-topic>

I do agree that most shipping fanfiction is bad, but there are more reasons than the treatment of women. It has more to do with lackluster writing and unrealistic characterization, if not outright derailment.
Yup.  The internet proved Sturgeon's Law right.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on June 20, 2014, 11:00:11 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/810d5477ff25382832f32a83c91cfc99/tumblr_n6o32p9E9D1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1VR4aR_58ew/UoUyyHMcSpI/AAAAAAAAPBM/Yk8QB8DCt7M/s1600/internally-screaming.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on June 20, 2014, 11:14:06 pm
It's funny how "freebleeding", which started as a joke on 4chan, is now becoming a real thing. Anyone else remember the girl with a jar of period blood she had collected and used in cooking? How about the chic that secretly fed her boyfriend her period blood to make him a vampire, 'cause she loved the Twilight books.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on June 20, 2014, 11:28:36 pm
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8pr0lyJe41ql9l8xo1_250.gif)

...you just had to remind us.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 21, 2014, 12:20:13 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on June 20, 2014, 11:14:06 pm
It's funny how "freebleeding", which started as a joke on 4chan, is now becoming a real thing. Anyone else remember the girl with a jar of period blood she had collected and used in cooking? How about the chic that secretly fed her boyfriend her period blood to make him a vampire, 'cause she loved the Twilight books.

Apparently the nounself movement started as a transphobic joke before it was snatched up by the special snowflakes.  The post that claimed this had a link about it, but it was broken, so I have no actual proof.

Also, there's this post on the origins of the word 'demisexual'. (http://factualwiley.tumblr.com/post/46405111996)  Long story short, the term 'demisexual' was created by a 15 year old girl on an RP forum, and, as a the OP believes it, it blew up on tumblr when the OP themselves threw the word out there as a joke to someone in the then fledgling tumblr SJ community.  The only bad thing I can see about the post is that it looks they don't take asexuality very seriously ("asexuality and other such nonsense"), though it might be due to seeing it thrown around so much now, like with the other sexuality labels.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 21, 2014, 12:31:39 am
Sexuality labels. There's heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, asexual and if you want to include it, pansexual. Shouldn't be harder than that.

Special snowflakes are infuriating.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 21, 2014, 12:52:24 am
Even pansexual is redundant at best.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 21, 2014, 12:55:16 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 21, 2014, 12:52:24 am
Even pansexual is redundant at best.

No, not really.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 21, 2014, 01:40:26 am
http://dramarising.tumblr.com/post/89425062553/the-term-intersex-is-an-incredibly-simplistic (http://dramarising.tumblr.com/post/89425062553/the-term-intersex-is-an-incredibly-simplistic)

I'll quote the two things that stand out most to me:

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I’m just going to highlight the fact that any stigma against intersex individuals is particularly stupid. We are all intersex and produce testosterone and oestrogen though the amount varies depending, again, on (guess what) epigenetic, genetic and environmental factors. Oestrogen even comes from testosterone and is made via chemical modfication x’D

I . . . don't think that's how being intersex works?  We have those hormones because they have other important functions besides denoting sex.

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The fact that transgendered and intersex individuals even exist suggest that there’s a possible benefit in having variation in sexual identities. If all the XX and XY individuals became disadvantaged due to an environmental change, then perhaps XO and XXY would be fitter and the human race wouldn’t just die out. The same with gender identities.

I don't think that's how evolution works, either (i.e. if it exists, it must be beneficial somehow).  Seriously, they make it sound like there's some sort of "plan" in motion, and that intersex people are meant to be some sort of failsafe for some unspecified hypothetical disaster that will only affect XX and XY individuals, leaving the intersexed and trans* people to be the saviors of humanity.  It actually kind of reminds me how the director of Melancholia believed that depression made people "smarter" and "more aware", and that if these very specific circumstances happened, they'd totally be the only sane people!  As Oancitizen put it, he has to bring literally the entire planet into a state lower than himself in order to "prove" how depressed people would be better than "normal people".

And no, I'm not comparing intersex and trans* to something harmful like depression.  It's just that the OP's straw grasping about how intersex could be an advantage reminded me of Melancholia's straw grasping about how depressed people would be "saner" than "normal" people; by having everyone not like them in a situation where they'd suffer more.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 21, 2014, 02:00:59 am
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/5fa8878b410adba1df9986dead8c71d9/tumblr_n7g09qk2Yz1sln4rfo1_500.jpg)

"Quoi_kalosromantic"
It's like they're trying to compensate for their lack of a personality.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 21, 2014, 02:15:35 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 21, 2014, 02:00:59 am
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/5fa8878b410adba1df9986dead8c71d9/tumblr_n7g09qk2Yz1sln4rfo1_500.jpg)

"Quoi_kalosromantic"
It's like they're trying to compensate for their lack of a personality.

(http://www.somegif.com/gifs/13884070271386314350.GIF)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 21, 2014, 02:36:33 am
None of jebus's images load for me for some reason.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 21, 2014, 03:02:13 am
Here's the blog I found it on:

http://swimminindaprivilege.tumblr.com/post/89313967194/i-send-you-these-so-you-will-notice-me-senpai
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: syaoranvee on June 21, 2014, 10:33:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0USsMKUFd4c

It's time for our lesson on Appropriation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 23, 2014, 01:36:36 pm
So, the mods at TITP posted this submission without having their troll-dar go off:

(http://i.imgur.com/YltquN6.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 23, 2014, 02:36:43 pm
By Hanlon's Razor, I'd assume people are just terrible spellers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 23, 2014, 04:09:55 pm
(click to show/hide)

Video games are a tool of the Patriarchy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 23, 2014, 06:40:07 pm
Quote
off the bat let’s clarify some things: i’m not demisexual. i have a very healthy sexual appetite and often feel sexually attracted to people i don’t know. this is a thing that happens to people usually! you don’t need to know someone in order to find them hot or want to have sex with them! one night stands happen!

demisexual people are those who LITERALLY DO NOT FEEL SEXUAL ATTRACTION UNLESS THERE IS A RELATIONSHIP ALREADY THERE.

there is no “”“”soul-bonding”“”” and if you think demisexuals believe they’re some kind of allmighty aura-manipulating psyvamps, you’re an idiot. they simply do not feel or develop sexual attraction, which is FINDING SOMEONE ATTRACTIVE PHYSICALLY AND WANTING TO SLEEP WITH THEM, until they are close.

AGAIN, you anti-demi people are confusing romantic and sexual attraction. generally people develop ROMANTIC feelings after becoming friends. when you want to date someone and be intimate with them, which is NOT necessarily sex. romantic =/= sexual attraction.

what you’re confusing for “healthy relationships” is literally two people being romantically attracted to one another. you don’t have to be sexually attracted to someone in order to be romantically attracted to them and vice versa.

and “”“special snowflake”“”” is such a fucking dumb term used the absolute death and people who use it sound absolutely ridiculous.

and who the fuck cares if people want to feel special, it literally doesn’t affect you AT. ALL. oh, god, how hoooorrible someone on the INTERNET wants to feel SPECIAL how DARE they want to feel a little special. i am a whiny pissbaby who likes to make everyone feel as shitty as me because i cant live in a world where people are HAPPY and feel SPECIAL

Posting this here mainly for the last paragraph.  It just really rubs me the wrong way.  As people have said, there's a difference between telling people they're unique as people, and telling people they're super special for mundane reasons.  And the "soulbonding" thing was in response about how the actual creator of "demisexuality" was a 15 year old girl who was a "soulbonder".

Also, genuine question, when does something become a sexuality instead of a fetish?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 23, 2014, 07:11:42 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 23, 2014, 02:36:43 pm
By Hanlon's Razor, I'd assume people are just terrible spellers.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/gabe-newell

Scroll down to "worth the weight".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 23, 2014, 11:07:15 pm
Huh. People are just that petty, apparently.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 23, 2014, 11:49:24 pm
Yeah, that's pretty douchey.
Now he'll push the release of half life 3 another decade.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 24, 2014, 12:09:53 am
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White people dont get to have sexualities imo…like they invented homophobia in the first place so i dont feel bad for white people who have their fcking special snowflake labels.  Only POC can be demipan.

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READ MY FUCKING LIPS

◦White people gtfo and stop being attracted to me
◦Cis people gtfo and stop being attracted to me
◦Trans people who are heterosexual gtfo and stop being attracted to me
◦Fat shamers GTFO AND STOP BEING ATTRACTED TO ME

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Let us just be clear.

Gender/transness is not for white people.

When POC are accepted for their genders or lack thereof, then white people can start going on about gender.

For now, shut the fuck up.  Yes if you are white nobody wants to hear about your gender.

White people invented the gender binary anyway so complaining about how you’re white and your gender isn’t accepted is like…really?

(http://i.imgur.com/MDh87MK.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 24, 2014, 12:29:30 am
Anyone ever get the feeling that the whole "white people invented [the gender binary/homophobia/racism/patriarchy]" thing is a weird twisted extension of those racists that claim that every worthwhile technology was invented by white people?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 24, 2014, 01:38:22 am
I can promise one thing to the person Thejebusfire quoted. I would not be "attracted" to them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 24, 2014, 08:21:15 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 23, 2014, 04:09:55 pm
(click to show/hide)

Video games are a tool of the Patriarchy.

(http://www.truemeaningoflife.com/images/rapeclock.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 24, 2014, 11:27:24 am
You just know that image was made on 4chan.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on June 24, 2014, 11:40:52 am
Yeah, there's several variants. /m/'s favourite is the L-Gaim one, due to the show's opening being called 'Time for L-Gaim'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 24, 2014, 11:44:27 am
It's probably due to the fact 4chans members are all either 12 year old boys or guys who think like 12 year olds.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on June 24, 2014, 11:52:24 am
Quote from: I am lizard on June 24, 2014, 11:44:27 am
It's probably due to the fact 4chans members are all either 12 year old boys or guys who think like 12 year olds.

That's really only /b/.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 24, 2014, 11:56:17 am
Quote from: starseeker on June 24, 2014, 11:52:24 am
Quote from: I am lizard on June 24, 2014, 11:44:27 am
It's probably due to the fact 4chans members are all either 12 year old boys or guys who think like 12 year olds.

That's really only /b/.
True.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on June 24, 2014, 04:08:59 pm
Quote from: starseeker on June 24, 2014, 11:52:24 am
Quote from: I am lizard on June 24, 2014, 11:44:27 am
It's probably due to the fact 4chans members are all either 12 year old boys or guys who think like 12 year olds.

That's really only /b/.
And /po/.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on June 24, 2014, 05:56:23 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on June 24, 2014, 04:08:59 pm
Quote from: starseeker on June 24, 2014, 11:52:24 am
Quote from: I am lizard on June 24, 2014, 11:44:27 am
It's probably due to the fact 4chans members are all either 12 year old boys or guys who think like 12 year olds.

That's really only /b/.
And /po/.

What's wrong with the papercraft board? You're thinking of the cesspit/neo-stormfront that is /pol/.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 24, 2014, 07:21:02 pm
I must be doing something wrong.

Tumblr just recommended this to me:

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het trans women should literally never even speak or pretend to understand what trans lesbians go through

yall have zero understanding

yall’s absurd entitlement to OUR lives, simply because were both trans women, is always leveled to prop your self up on our pain.

fuck you.

Tentative Disclaimer: I am neither trans nor a lesbian so they may have a valid point, but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on June 24, 2014, 07:38:32 pm
Quote from: starseeker on June 24, 2014, 05:56:23 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on June 24, 2014, 04:08:59 pm
Quote from: starseeker on June 24, 2014, 11:52:24 am
Quote from: I am lizard on June 24, 2014, 11:44:27 am
It's probably due to the fact 4chans members are all either 12 year old boys or guys who think like 12 year olds.

That's really only /b/.
And /po/.

What's wrong with the papercraft board? You're thinking of the cesspit/neo-stormfront that is /pol/.
Yeah, sorry. It's been a while since I used 4chan boards appart from /tg/.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 24, 2014, 07:44:37 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on June 24, 2014, 07:21:02 pm
I must be doing something wrong.

Tumblr just recommended this to me:

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het trans women should literally never even speak or pretend to understand what trans lesbians go through

yall have zero understanding

yall’s absurd entitlement to OUR lives, simply because were both trans women, is always leveled to prop your self up on our pain.

fuck you.

Tentative Disclaimer: I am neither trans nor a lesbian so they may have a valid point, but I'm not sure.

There's a bit of a point in there, in that trans lesbians tend to get shit on because "hurr durr so they're just straight guys" (since the concept of gender and sexual orientation being separate aspects of psychology is apparently too complicated for people to understand), plus the whole anti-gay bias they're facing along with the transphobia, so it makes sense that straight trans women shouldn't speak for/over them any more than straight cis women should try to speak for gay cis women, but I'm also sensing a "my oppression is worse than your oppression so fuck all of you" vibe in there. I could just be jaded by all of the bullshit I've seen on Tumblr, though.

Also, the whole "you couldn't possibly have an iota of understanding" bit is rather absurd. No one can have a perfect understanding on what another group is dealing with, but it's more than possible to at least have an idea of what they're facing and relate to them because of it.

ETA: Actually, straight trans women are often saddled with the "gay men gone to the extreme" notion, so the whole thing is a shitload more complicated than straight cis chicks speaking for gay cis chicks.

(I won't try to dissect the specifics, being that I'm not trans and all that.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 24, 2014, 09:42:12 pm
Glad to know my confusion is justified.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 25, 2014, 04:06:13 am
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Don’t tell me you “understand” why I’m vegan. If you understood you’d be vegan, too.

Understanding doesn’t equal agreement. I understand why Walter White started to cook meth, doesn’t mean I’m gonna buy an RV and a barrel of methylamine.

A couple people responded with:

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YEAH ILL SAY IT AGAIN THIS POST IS SHITTY FOR A TON OF REASONS. There’s a difference of a choice which is literally killing people and a choice about not harming anything like ummm??? I don’t want to go into this again by really if you truly understand why someone is vegan you would be vegan or be trying your best to be vegan

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d-did you just imply a connection between veganism… and cooking meth

I'm reminded of fundies who tell atheists "if you really understood the Bible, you'd be a Christian!". Also, way to miss the point; they were saying that you can understand something without agreeing with it, even if that thing is really bad, like cooking meth.  And if you can understand motives behind actions like that, understanding motives behind veganism isn't that hard. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on June 25, 2014, 07:45:40 am
I don't understand some vegans. I most certainly support humane treatment of animals and am appalled by the conditions that some animals must endure. But even if we had 100% humane treatment of animals prior to slaughter, those types of vegans would still call us murderers. Why? Why are other animals allowed to maul and eat one another (in a much more gruesome fashion), while we are not?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 25, 2014, 08:04:42 am
Quote from: Sleepy on June 25, 2014, 07:45:40 am
I don't understand some vegans. I most certainly support humane treatment of animals and am appalled by the conditions that some animals must endure. But even if we had 100% humane treatment of animals prior to slaughter, those types of vegans would still call us murderers. Why? Why are other animals allowed to maul and eat one another (in a much more gruesome fashion), while we are not?
I guess that for at least some of them, the rationale is that humans should be "better than that".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 25, 2014, 08:39:34 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 25, 2014, 08:04:42 am
Quote from: Sleepy on June 25, 2014, 07:45:40 am
I don't understand some vegans. I most certainly support humane treatment of animals and am appalled by the conditions that some animals must endure. But even if we had 100% humane treatment of animals prior to slaughter, those types of vegans would still call us murderers. Why? Why are other animals allowed to maul and eat one another (in a much more gruesome fashion), while we are not?
I guess that for at least some of them, the rationale is that humans should be "better than that".

From what I've seen, yes. The rationale is that, despite the rest of nature engaging in murder and consumption of its victims, humans should be capable of using their superior morality to live peacefully with nature and never harm another living being. Obviously, plants and fungi do not count as "living beings" for this purpose. Presumably their lower intelligence makes them less important when it comes to killing and consuming them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 25, 2014, 09:41:13 am
Eeh, plants have no intelligence nor any capacity for pain nor suffering.  Even if you're going on a moralistic crusade, it'd still be perfectly acceptable to eat them.  They're life, no two ways about that, but they're not intelligent life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 25, 2014, 02:55:22 pm
I wouldn't mind trying a vegan diet if it weren't for the fact that the vegan food store here is ridiculously expensive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 25, 2014, 03:33:01 pm
I would be a vegan if we could produce and sell exact facsimiles of meat products that were mass produced and sold on a wide enough basis at a cheap enough price to push actual meat out of the market, while maintaining the same nutritional profile as authentic meat.

Best bet for that is cheap lab-grown cells, rather than tofu or other mock meats.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 25, 2014, 03:45:17 pm
Yep, I'd never go vegan or vegetarian.  Sorry, livestock, but...well, I'd certainly lobby for better conditions for you guys.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on June 25, 2014, 03:51:04 pm
That whole veganism thing about how we should be better than killing animals for consumption is really stupid in my opinion.  I mean, look at all the conflicts in the world going on right now.  Mind you those are human to human conflicts, and here are these militant vegans asking us to not kill and consume lower life forms.  Don't get me wrong.  I'm all for humane treatment and slaughter of animals, but what groups like PETA are asking for is unreasonable.  In fact some people actually have medical conditions where they need to eat adequate protein in their diet to live.

I also think that the argument of "you're eating a corpse when you eat meat" is actually a weak argument.  Unless you're eating the plant from right off the ground, what you are eating is a dead plant.

I'm cool with Vegans and their personal dietary choices.  When you start trying to force your viewpoints on others is when I start having a problem. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 25, 2014, 04:31:30 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/547c2491e9480ad7c0f57f3d651fccd6/tumblr_n663kxtwHY1ryeto5o1_500.jpg)

Well aren't you just special.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 25, 2014, 04:54:39 pm
...I cannot resist. I must go after this person.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on June 25, 2014, 07:02:32 pm
... The fuck's an enby?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on June 25, 2014, 07:06:29 pm
...I think it's a pokemon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on June 25, 2014, 08:08:05 pm
Quote from: Randomwolf42 on June 25, 2014, 07:06:29 pm
...I think it's a pokemon.

I second that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on June 25, 2014, 08:17:31 pm
According to Urban Dictionary, enby is:

Quote
Based off of the shortening of "non-binary", N.B.

A term used by the non-binary/genderqueer community as an alternative to girl/boy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on June 25, 2014, 09:04:05 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on June 25, 2014, 08:17:31 pm
According to Urban Dictionary, enby is:

Quote
Based off of the shortening of "non-binary", N.B.

A term used by the non-binary/genderqueer community as an alternative to girl/boy.

I still don't get what is the problem of using "he" and "she" interchangeably like what RuPaul and other drag queens and gender benders do.  Insisting that people call you by personal pronouns isn't increasing awareness of different gender identities, it's only increasing awareness of how self-centered you are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on June 25, 2014, 09:23:57 pm
Well at least they provided a nice list with usage examples and how to pronounce the damn words. That's miles ahead of most of the others.

On the vegans, thee are a surprising amount tat argue that non human animals shouldn't eat meat either. Before you think this is a joke, I've read at least one lengthy argument from a vegan saying that humans should use their intelligence and science to make all animals on the planet vegans. They, along with creationists(in trying to prove the "green herb, coconut t-rex" thing), often cite a book about a vegan lion cub called Little Tyke. Yes, like that joke from Futurama. As far as I can tell it was based on a flawed and biased study, and is only used as an argument from the two groups listed, the book being published by a creationist publishing company. As one person arguing against the book when it was brought up once said, "Well yeah you can make a lion hate meat, all you have to do is beat it whenever it goes near a steak".

The book I thing played no small part in the recent movement by some vegans to make their pets dogs and cats vegans as well. This honestly infuriates me, especially with cats. Dogs are somewhat omnivorous, but felines are obligate carnivores, meaning they need meat. There is a reason cats and other animals will eat all parts of their prey. They need all the nutrients, not just the meat. Felines specifically need taurine, and organic acid. Humans most often encounter it in modern times in energy drinks. Cats need taurine and their diet, and if they don't have it they will go blind. Cats either get taurine from the meat of prey or from manufactured cat food containing meat. The problem is that these "vegan" cat foods don't have taurine in them and are thus harmful to the cats. These people in particular piss me off so much it's a good thing I've only ever encountered them on the internet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on June 25, 2014, 09:57:53 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on June 25, 2014, 09:23:57 pm
Well at least they provided a nice list with usage examples and how to pronounce the damn words. That's miles ahead of most of the others.

On the vegans, thee are a surprising amount tat argue that non human animals shouldn't eat meat either. Before you think this is a joke, I've read at least one lengthy argument from a vegan saying that humans should use their intelligence and science to make all animals on the planet vegans. They, along with creationists(in trying to prove the "green herb, coconut t-rex" thing), often cite a book about a vegan lion cub called Little Tyke. Yes, like that joke from Futurama. As far as I can tell it was based on a flawed and biased study, and is only used as an argument from the two groups listed, the book being published by a creationist publishing company. As one person arguing against the book when it was brought up once said, "Well yeah you can make a lion hate meat, all you have to do is beat it whenever it goes near a steak".

The book I thing played no small part in the recent movement by some vegans to make their pets dogs and cats vegans as well. This honestly infuriates me, especially with cats. Dogs are somewhat omnivorous, but felines are obligate carnivores, meaning they need meat. There is a reason cats and other animals will eat all parts of their prey. They need all the nutrients, not just the meat. Felines specifically need taurine, and organic acid. Humans most often encounter it in modern times in energy drinks. Cats need taurine and their diet, and if they don't have it they will go blind. Cats either get taurine from the meat of prey or from manufactured cat food containing meat. The problem is that these "vegan" cat foods don't have taurine in them and are thus harmful to the cats. These people in particular piss me off so much it's a good thing I've only ever encountered them on the internet.

This kind of reminds me of a joke/challenge to a Vegan who argues that we should get other animals to become vegan.  Tell the Vegan to go to the Serengeti and convince a lion to become vegan.  If the Vegan can come back with proof of success, then I'll become a Vegan.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 25, 2014, 10:41:43 pm
Quote from: Kat S. on June 25, 2014, 09:04:05 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on June 25, 2014, 08:17:31 pm
According to Urban Dictionary, enby is:

Quote
Based off of the shortening of "non-binary", N.B.

A term used by the non-binary/genderqueer community as an alternative to girl/boy.

I still don't get what is the problem of using "he" and "she" interchangeably like what RuPaul and other drag queens and gender benders do.  Insisting that people call you by personal pronouns isn't increasing awareness of different gender identities, it's only increasing awareness of how self-centered you are.

Grouping non-binaries with drag-queens is a category error. Drag-queens are men (identifying as such) with a particular choice of gender expression, it's not a gender. Some non-binaries do in fact alternate "he" and "she", others don't for whatever reason (I'd guess it's because they think it gives mistaken impressions about them being in some way "in-between" male and female).

Regardless, I totally agree that "personalised pronouns" are pointless and the whole thing boils down to a more grammatically complicated version of a first name. Plus at this rate we're never gonna get a consensus on a single set of gender-neutral pronouns.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on June 25, 2014, 11:52:46 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 25, 2014, 10:41:43 pm
Quote from: Kat S. on June 25, 2014, 09:04:05 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on June 25, 2014, 08:17:31 pm
According to Urban Dictionary, enby is:

Quote
Based off of the shortening of "non-binary", N.B.

A term used by the non-binary/genderqueer community as an alternative to girl/boy.

I still don't get what is the problem of using "he" and "she" interchangeably like what RuPaul and other drag queens and gender benders do.  Insisting that people call you by personal pronouns isn't increasing awareness of different gender identities, it's only increasing awareness of how self-centered you are.

Grouping non-binaries with drag-queens is a category error. Drag-queens are men (identifying as such) with a particular choice of gender expression, it's not a gender. Some non-binaries do in fact alternate "he" and "she", others don't for whatever reason (I'd guess it's because they think it gives mistaken impressions about them being in some way "in-between" male and female).

Regardless, I totally agree that "personalised pronouns" are pointless and the whole thing boils down to a more grammatically complicated version of a first name. Plus at this rate we're never gonna get a consensus on a single set of gender-neutral pronouns.

Right.  I'm not trying to lump groups together.  I understand the difference between someone who is a drag queen and somebody who is transgendered.  I also agree completely with you on the second paragraph.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on June 26, 2014, 01:43:18 pm
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CzBfAtKyhjU/U5_C3gYSxbI/AAAAAAAAAWY/w3rlQqVOX10/s1600/3d3ad53d6be993d3c54fed160b972bf0.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on June 26, 2014, 03:15:12 pm
Quote from: WatermelonRat on June 26, 2014, 01:43:18 pm
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CzBfAtKyhjU/U5_C3gYSxbI/AAAAAAAAAWY/w3rlQqVOX10/s1600/3d3ad53d6be993d3c54fed160b972bf0.png)

I looked at her Tumblr. She's demanding that people stop messaging her about it, saying that her autism caused her to misspeak.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 26, 2014, 03:21:46 pm
Ha, bullshit. I hate it when people use "It was autism's fault" to excuse their bad behavior.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 26, 2014, 06:32:47 pm
It'd be more convincing if she said "THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 27, 2014, 11:20:50 pm
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/44acf51032daba8a052432ff32ebd6c5/tumblr_n7t04v7riN1qfpk7mo1_500.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/5147f16c0a8eb9f96c64a7b9af77e397/tumblr_n7t04v7riN1qfpk7mo4_400.png)

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/6d78306e7d475c37da322490a2d1a2a5/tumblr_n7t04v7riN1qfpk7mo5_500.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/8bddadf3884dcf21606cec3d507ba6d9/tumblr_n7t04v7riN1qfpk7mo2_500.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/9556dfd0488fbb3f8980373882288188/tumblr_n7t04v7riN1qfpk7mo3_500.png)

As someone who's seen both these movies, this site can fuck right off.  Also, according to one of the comments, Disney's Frozen had more triggers attached to it than A Serbian Film.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 27, 2014, 11:48:22 pm
...historically inaccurate......WHAT THE FUCK?

It's a god damn fantasy movie, not set in the real world.

Ironbite-how the hell can it be historically inaccurate if it NEVER HAPPENED!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on June 27, 2014, 11:51:27 pm
Out of curiosity, what site is that?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on June 27, 2014, 11:56:56 pm
How in the Warp is Frozen ableist?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 28, 2014, 12:15:56 am
Quote from: Randomwolf42 on June 27, 2014, 11:51:27 pm
Out of curiosity, what site is that?

Here's the site. (http://www.movietriggers.com/)  And, oh my god, the comments about Frozen:

Silencing:
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if you intend to show someone with a mental illness or someone whos lgbtq+ you should actually put in the effort instead of making a "ooo spooky frozen heart" metaphor

Dubious Consent:
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I wouldn't even call it dubious, I'd call it non-existent. Thanks, trolls, let's unwillingly marry the engaged girl to someone else.

I have only ever seen dubious consent used in reference to sex.

Abusive Relationship:
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Kristoff constantly berates Anna throughout the movie, mainly about falling in love in one day, yet ends up as her love interest in the end. He does not feel remorse.

Yes, how dare he have the audacity to point out that "falling in love" and marrying a guy you just met is a stupid idea.

Ableism:
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the way they dealt with anxiety was awful and disney should consider other types of anxiety disorders other than social anxiety before they assume everyone with it is like elsa and gets over it with "loooooooove" because if i saw this when i was like 8 it wouldve fucked me up

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the potential metaphorical mental illness isnt handled really well in the end

"Potential metaphorical mental illness"

"Potential metaphorical mental illness"

"Potential metaphorical mental illness"

They're bitching about something they're not even sure is really there.

Historically Innacurate [sic]:
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This movie is both racist AND historically inaccurate. While PoC erasure does stem from racism, erasure has also grown too big of a specific beast to shove purely under the Racism umbrella. Inaccuracy also requires huge amounts of complacency and dismissal. Two things which can be triggering. ...Two things which can be seen even in the (triggering in and of themselves) comments here. (Seriously folks, policing other people's triggers, and flippantly referencing sexual assault? Not okay.)

I'd also like to point out that there seems to be no actual system on this site, meaning that users don't choose triggers from a list, they just type them in themselves.  So Frozen ends up with "parental death" and "death of a parent" as two separate triggers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on June 28, 2014, 12:19:09 am
...lol, Psycho only has 10 triggers. So genuinely terrifying horror films are less potentially traumatizing than a kids movie, right.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 28, 2014, 12:20:15 am
What exactly would you expect from a site called Movie Triggers?! It'd be a shock if it were anything other than a bunch of social justice warrior wank.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 28, 2014, 12:25:16 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 28, 2014, 12:20:15 am
What exactly would you expect from a site called Movie Triggers?! It'd be a shock if it were anything other than a bunch of social justice warrior wank.

In theory, it's genuinely useful for people that are actually triggered and don't know what a movie will trigger before they see it.  (Stuff like spousal or parental abuse, for instance, can be very triggering to someone who has survived it)

In practice, however, it's become a platform for SJW preaching.  Pity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 28, 2014, 12:36:15 am
....that still doesn't explain how the movie is historically inaccurate.

Ironbite-like...at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 28, 2014, 12:41:18 am
On one hand I admit that a less scary film could have more DIFFERENT triggers than a horror film. If the horror film has triggering events like death and jumpscare etc. but those things are repeatedly it will not have several trigger warnings. Meanwhile a family movie with a bigger variety of triggers (even if these are less severe. I mean "kids" might be a trigger to someone, but not a common cause to be afraid of if compared to "high impact violent rape scene" for example.)

Still, on this occasion many of those triggers for Frozen seem silly and I bet I could think of more triggering features than three from the other Frozen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 28, 2014, 12:55:09 am
Quote from: ironbite on June 28, 2014, 12:36:15 am
....that still doesn't explain how the movie is historically inaccurate.

Ironbite-like...at all.

I think it basically boils down to "not 100% faithful to Sami culture, therefore racist and inaccurate".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on June 28, 2014, 01:01:52 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 28, 2014, 12:55:09 am
Quote from: ironbite on June 28, 2014, 12:36:15 am
....that still doesn't explain how the movie is historically inaccurate.

Ironbite-like...at all.

I think it basically boils down to "not 100% faithful to Sami culture, therefore racist and inaccurate".

I think it was the whole "They're not brown therefore whitewashing"

Except... Sami aren't just one skin color, and in fact many of them look white.  You know, winter environment and adaptation and all that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 28, 2014, 01:18:26 am
BECAUSE TUMBLR DEMISEXUAL WHITE GIRLS SAY SO THAT WHY! TUMBLR SMASH PUNY FACTS!

...Now I feel sorry for the Hulk. He exhibits more logic daily than these clowns.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on June 28, 2014, 01:58:09 am
I'm glad I'm not the only one who jokingly correlates Frozen (2010) with Frozen (2013).

Also, those triggers are so stupid I can't even read these without... cringing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 28, 2014, 08:49:29 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on June 28, 2014, 01:01:52 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 28, 2014, 12:55:09 am
Quote from: ironbite on June 28, 2014, 12:36:15 am
....that still doesn't explain how the movie is historically inaccurate.

Ironbite-like...at all.

I think it basically boils down to "not 100% faithful to Sami culture, therefore racist and inaccurate".

I think it was the whole "They're not brown therefore whitewashing"

Except... Sami aren't just one skin color, and in fact many of them look white.  You know, winter environment and adaptation and all that.

Except that's not what the comments say.  They're really believing this is something from history.

Ironbite-which is insane!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 28, 2014, 02:34:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/lvedbad.png)

Now that's super duper edgy!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on June 28, 2014, 02:52:16 pm
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The Feelers - They think their handsome and just approach girls they think are pretty, saying "Hi!" To them. Like UGH! Get out of my face I'm not interested in you! This makes my blood boil. There just plain ugly and just [snip] accept the fact! Don't feel like your handsome just because SOME! Think your good looking or their just saying that to be nice.

10/10, would feel insecure again. Men are supposed to be the assholes...?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 28, 2014, 02:56:22 pm
I want to track that person down and force them to do spelling drills at gunpoint.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on June 28, 2014, 02:58:31 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on June 28, 2014, 02:56:22 pm
I want to track that person down and force them to do spelling drills at gunpoint.

Tell me about it. I had to type out that quote and painstakingly leave all the misspelled there/their/they're/you'res.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on June 28, 2014, 06:12:19 pm
Sooo, she wants guys to be insecure about their appearance and not confident about themselves because otherwise that would be Patriarchy?

I third on her spelling.  I may not be the greatest speller myself, but at least I try.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 28, 2014, 10:08:40 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on June 28, 2014, 02:34:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/lvedbad.png)

Now that's super duper edgy!
It's like bizzaro AVFM.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 01, 2014, 11:15:23 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/DHGQUfj.jpg)

I can no longer tell whose trolling and whose serious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on July 01, 2014, 11:22:30 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 01, 2014, 11:15:23 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/DHGQUfj.jpg)

I can no longer tell whose trolling and whose serious.

I really wonder that too sometimes.  I wonder how many are for real, exhibiting Poe's Law, or just plain trolling.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 01, 2014, 11:40:02 pm
Either way, I feel like eating some soul.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 02, 2014, 12:07:42 am
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The “Plurals, Multiples, Medians, and others?” thread is pretty freaking gross. I’ve suffered from sever mental illness since I was a child and the way this glamorizes and normalizes a severe and often crippling disorder like DID into a cute personality trait akin to an over active imagination is disgusting.

Mental illness is not a fun game, and it’s not something you should be encouraging those with mental illness to explore further when it feeds actual medical delusions. This isn’t a fucking game, this is another human’s life.

You want to know what’s really gross? Slinging shade on other people’s experiences—they’re not you, and their experiences won’t be identical to your own. Plurality, multiplicity—these terms aren’t new. I’d say more than a few psychologists and therapists are familiar with them these days. Sure, maybe some people in the thread struggle with DID, while others say they don’t and the experience adds, rather than subtracts, from their life. Regardless, sitting here on Tumblr and calling it gross, that their experiences are ‘a fucking game’… way to be invalidating. Way to be hurtful. Even if it’s a phase they’ll grow out of, what gives you the right to point and call them disgusting?

To immediately reply to the bolded; the reason why it's disgusting is because, when these fucks, who feel they need to shoehorn themselves into every social justice movement to make themselves feel special, decide to grow out of it, they're able to grow out of it and leave.  And all the nasty collateral they leave in their wake will be left to be dealt with by those who can't. 

It's like when the gay community got mad at that guy who did that fake "coming out" experiment to see what gay people actually deal with, or that guy who made a fake woman account on a dating site because he was convinced women had it easy; at the end of their experiment, or if it gets too hard, they can quit and make their lives easier again.  The actual people they were imitating don't have that luxury.  At least in those two cases, those guys left with a better, more tolerant frame of reference for having simply tasted prejudice and harassment; this whole "headmates" thing could arguably be considered worse since the imitators are not only learning nothing about living with mental illness (because who honestly believes the majority of them parade their headmates around in real life?), but are possibly leaving the community in a worse position than when they found it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 03, 2014, 04:25:15 am
*from the deepest depths of the forum, a lurker wakes*

(click to show/hide)

tl;dr: i long for the past days when you could call out people for being asshats without being called an oppressor

*back to lurking*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 03, 2014, 07:10:04 am
Quote from: Guizonde on July 03, 2014, 04:25:15 am
these people make me mad, not because they're high and mighty (that is, at most, grating). no, they make me mad because their opponents read this, laugh, and stockpile verbal ammo against righteous causes.

Yeah, when you're debating/arguing against someone who is utterly removed from reality it might be annoying (much like the playing chess with a pigeon metaphor) but it is nothing compared to having someone like that on your side.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 03, 2014, 11:08:50 pm
I'm hoping this is a poe, but if not...

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/295ce0b281c62d3ed2036edbe7387a17/tumblr_n6q4xpEaiN1ryeto5o1_400.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on July 03, 2014, 11:22:24 pm
...e-excuse me?

That's a horrible thing to say even as a joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 03, 2014, 11:34:00 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 03, 2014, 11:08:50 pm
I'm hoping this is a poe, but if not...

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/295ce0b281c62d3ed2036edbe7387a17/tumblr_n6q4xpEaiN1ryeto5o1_400.png)

Looking at this person's tumblr, the background makes my eyes bleed from how atrociously gaudy it is.
They seem to do almost nothing but reblog gay stuff and music stuff, and respond to a few anons.

I cannot even confirm they said the above.

EDIT:

This is like the gay equivalent to a scene girl.

I'm out, I can't handle this anymore.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 04, 2014, 12:11:11 am
(http://i.imgur.com/QFa8qDv.png)

Someone should tell them that the USA is not the only predominantly white country competing for the World Cup.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on July 04, 2014, 12:17:43 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 04, 2014, 12:11:11 am
(http://i.imgur.com/QFa8qDv.png)

Someone should tell them that the USA is not the only predominantly white country competing for the World Cup.

(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/51522378.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on July 04, 2014, 12:22:51 am
Quote from: Damen on July 03, 2014, 11:08:50 pm
I'm hoping this is a poe, but if not...

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/295ce0b281c62d3ed2036edbe7387a17/tumblr_n6q4xpEaiN1ryeto5o1_400.png)

Thank you to Hof for telling me about that kind of shit a while back! I love how I now know bugchasing is a thing and there's quite a bit of erotic literature about it. I'll spare everyone else the mental images.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 04, 2014, 12:36:53 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 04, 2014, 12:11:11 am
(http://i.imgur.com/QFa8qDv.png)

Someone should tell them that the USA is not the only predominantly white country competing for the World Cup.

Yeah, but as far as SJWs are concern, all predominantly white countries = exactly the same as the US in every single way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 04, 2014, 12:52:44 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 04, 2014, 12:11:11 am
Someone should tell them that the USA is not the only predominantly white country competing for the World Cup.
Nonsense, there are only "ethnic" people outside of USA and because something something tubmlr they do not count as "white." For example, the Sami are POC regardless of their skin colour.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 04, 2014, 01:37:02 am
Quote from: Damen on July 03, 2014, 11:08:50 pm
I'm hoping this is a poe, but if not...

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/295ce0b281c62d3ed2036edbe7387a17/tumblr_n6q4xpEaiN1ryeto5o1_400.png)

I mean, I guess it would be the same if sleeping with someone with cancer also gave you cancer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 04, 2014, 01:39:30 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on July 04, 2014, 12:22:51 am
Quote from: Damen on July 03, 2014, 11:08:50 pm
I'm hoping this is a poe, but if not...

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/295ce0b281c62d3ed2036edbe7387a17/tumblr_n6q4xpEaiN1ryeto5o1_400.png)

Thank you to Hof for telling me about that kind of shit a while back! I love how I now know bugchasing is a thing and there's quite a bit of erotic literature about it. I'll spare everyone else the mental images.

Poz, neg, breed me with your fuckvenom
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 04, 2014, 02:04:20 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 04, 2014, 01:39:30 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on July 04, 2014, 12:22:51 am
Quote from: Damen on July 03, 2014, 11:08:50 pm
I'm hoping this is a poe, but if not...

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/295ce0b281c62d3ed2036edbe7387a17/tumblr_n6q4xpEaiN1ryeto5o1_400.png)

Thank you to Hof for telling me about that kind of shit a while back! I love how I now know bugchasing is a thing and there's quite a bit of erotic literature about it. I'll spare everyone else the mental images.

Poz, neg, breed me with your fuckvenom

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9grv22lGH1ruloaco3_r1_250.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on July 04, 2014, 11:26:47 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 04, 2014, 12:11:11 am
(http://i.imgur.com/QFa8qDv.png)
I take it this person isn't aware that 82% of Costa Ricans are white.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Katsuro on July 04, 2014, 11:30:25 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 04, 2014, 12:11:11 am
(http://i.imgur.com/QFa8qDv.png)

Does he not see the hypocrisy and irony in saying that white people are pretending to care about the world cup and then saying about "pretentious ass fucks" telling people they're fake?  He's just called world cup fans fake ffs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 04, 2014, 11:36:17 am
This person is aware that France and Germany are still in it right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 04, 2014, 12:05:50 pm
Quote from: WatermelonRat on July 04, 2014, 11:26:47 am
I take it this person isn't aware that 82% of Costa Ricans are white.
How dare you say something like that!? Costa Ricans count as Persons Of Colour because if they came to USA they would face racism and would be a minority.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 04, 2014, 01:21:49 pm
Dude, there are SJWs trying to declare the Irish POC. Literally some of the whitest motherfuckers out there.

They're so deeply entrenched in their own incorrect view of race relations that instead of admitting that they need to change their views when confronted with evidence that it's wrong, they try to incorporate the new evidence into their world view in a way that still validates it. Instead of admitting that "white vs. POC" is an overly simplistic examination that falls apart outside of very specific locations and time periods, they try to add whiter and whiter people to the "POC" category.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 04, 2014, 01:26:57 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 04, 2014, 01:21:49 pm
Dude, there are SJWs trying to declare the Irish POC. Literally some of the whitest motherfuckers out there.

They're so deeply entrenched in their own incorrect view of race relations that instead of admitting that they need to change their views when confronted with evidence that it's wrong, they try to incorporate the new evidence into their world view in a way that still validates it. Instead of admitting that "white vs. POC" is an overly simplistic examination that falls apart outside of very specific locations and time periods, they try to add whiter and whiter people to the "POC" category.

by that logic, whites will end up being poc's, because you know.... white is a color...

did i just hear an sjw's head go pop?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 04, 2014, 02:16:46 pm
Quote from: Guizonde on July 04, 2014, 01:26:57 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 04, 2014, 01:21:49 pm
Dude, there are SJWs trying to declare the Irish POC. Literally some of the whitest motherfuckers out there.

They're so deeply entrenched in their own incorrect view of race relations that instead of admitting that they need to change their views when confronted with evidence that it's wrong, they try to incorporate the new evidence into their world view in a way that still validates it. Instead of admitting that "white vs. POC" is an overly simplistic examination that falls apart outside of very specific locations and time periods, they try to add whiter and whiter people to the "POC" category.

by that logic, whites will end up being poc's, because you know.... white is a color...

did i just hear an sjw's head go pop?

We are talking about the people who invent their own personal pronouns and genders and sexual orientations just to feel special. They are already used to fuzzy logic and hypocrisy. White people being POC would not cause any kind of problems with them as long as they can think of some new-speak justification for it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on July 04, 2014, 02:28:00 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 04, 2014, 01:21:49 pm
Dude, there are SJWs trying to declare the Irish POC. Literally some of the whitest motherfuckers out there.

They're so deeply entrenched in their own incorrect view of race relations that instead of admitting that they need to change their views when confronted with evidence that it's wrong, they try to incorporate the new evidence into their world view in a way that still validates it. Instead of admitting that "white vs. POC" is an overly simplistic examination that falls apart outside of very specific locations and time periods, they try to add whiter and whiter people to the "POC" category.

I'm clearly out of date on these sorts of things, I thought that SJWs were insisting that the Irish could never face discrimination, ever, since they're white.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 04, 2014, 02:41:41 pm
Quote from: dpareja on July 04, 2014, 02:28:00 pm
I'm clearly out of date on these sorts of things, I thought that SJWs were insisting that the Irish could never face discrimination, ever, since they're white.


Haven't you heard? The Irish are the niggers of europe. Skip to 1minute 3seconds for the relevant part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb7ghkEi32w
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on July 04, 2014, 02:50:28 pm
Quote from: askold on July 04, 2014, 02:41:41 pm
Quote from: dpareja on July 04, 2014, 02:28:00 pm
I'm clearly out of date on these sorts of things, I thought that SJWs were insisting that the Irish could never face discrimination, ever, since they're white.


Haven't you heard? The Irish are the niggers of europe. Skip to 1minute 3seconds for the relevant part.

Maybe it was the Sami, then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on July 04, 2014, 04:02:26 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 04, 2014, 01:39:30 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on July 04, 2014, 12:22:51 am
Quote from: Damen on July 03, 2014, 11:08:50 pm
I'm hoping this is a poe, but if not...

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/295ce0b281c62d3ed2036edbe7387a17/tumblr_n6q4xpEaiN1ryeto5o1_400.png)

Thank you to Hof for telling me about that kind of shit a while back! I love how I now know bugchasing is a thing and there's quite a bit of erotic literature about it. I'll spare everyone else the mental images.

Poz, neg, breed me with your fuckvenom

Razorblade your boi-cunt so you'll absorb the bug better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on July 04, 2014, 05:40:16 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 04, 2014, 01:21:49 pm
Dude, there are SJWs trying to declare the Irish POC. Literally some of the whitest motherfuckers out there.

They're so deeply entrenched in their own incorrect view of race relations that instead of admitting that they need to change their views when confronted with evidence that it's wrong, they try to incorporate the new evidence into their world view in a way that still validates it. Instead of admitting that "white vs. POC" is an overly simplistic examination that falls apart outside of very specific locations and time periods, they try to add whiter and whiter people to the "POC" category.

Horseshoe theory in action. The same claim about the Irish was made in the 1890's to justify discriminating against them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 04, 2014, 06:22:16 pm
Quote from: dpareja on July 04, 2014, 02:28:00 pm
I'm clearly out of date on these sorts of things, I thought that SJWs were insisting that the Irish could never face discrimination, ever, since they're white.

That too. They don't always present a unified front.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 04, 2014, 07:47:36 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 04, 2014, 06:22:16 pm
Quote from: dpareja on July 04, 2014, 02:28:00 pm
I'm clearly out of date on these sorts of things, I thought that SJWs were insisting that the Irish could never face discrimination, ever, since they're white.

That too. They don't always present a unified front.

Correct. The ones who declare that the Irish could never face discrimination will say the same for the Sami, as they feel that it's pure "white vs. POC" everywhere in all historical periods. Any evidence to the contrary is plainly ignored.

THESES guys, though? They see and acknowledge the evidence, but they're unwilling or unable to admit that their world view is biased. So instead of changing how they look at the world, they try to just slightly edit it to incorporate the new evidence. Instead of declaring that "white vs. POC" is incorrect, they declare "Certain white people are POC".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 05, 2014, 03:22:34 am
This discussion reminds me of a "cis-white" joke I heard on the Colbert Report the other night.

Edit - http://empathyprivilege.tumblr.com/ Lets see what kind of madness I can stir up. This should keep me amused all night long.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 06, 2014, 11:57:26 am
A minor example, but a girl who made an ordinarily good post about the Hobby Lobby ruling accused the person who sarcastically talked about companies being forced to pay for abortions as "ableist".

Ableist? It's misogyny you gibbon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 06, 2014, 12:58:12 pm
At about 15 minutes in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhrcMTMPzT0

Some people accusing TotalBiscuit of being a misogynist because he said he couldn't tell between men and women in Papers, Please, as well as other things.  In his words: "this is why we can't have nice things."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 06, 2014, 04:34:44 pm
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/788/432/b8c.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 06, 2014, 04:38:12 pm
There were people who accused SFDebris of being misogynist because of much he rags on Cpt. Janeway from Voyager.  Crazy Janeway is one of my favorite running themes of his Voyager reviews.

Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 06, 2014, 11:57:26 am
A minor example, but a girl who made an ordinarily good post about the Hobby Lobby ruling accused the person who sarcastically talked about companies being forced to pay for abortions as "ableist".

Ableist? It's misogyny you gibbon.

Maybe they assumed the commenter was male and was treating his comment as ableist because of he doesn't have to worry about getting pregnant?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 06, 2014, 05:09:48 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 06, 2014, 04:38:12 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 06, 2014, 11:57:26 am
A minor example, but a girl who made an ordinarily good post about the Hobby Lobby ruling accused the person who sarcastically talked about companies being forced to pay for abortions as "ableist".

Ableist? It's misogyny you gibbon.

Maybe they assumed the commenter was male and was treating his comment as ableist because of he doesn't have to worry about getting pregnant?

Even then, the accusation makes the assumption that women are somehow inherently disabled for their ability to get pregnant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 06, 2014, 05:16:25 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on July 06, 2014, 05:09:48 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 06, 2014, 04:38:12 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 06, 2014, 11:57:26 am
A minor example, but a girl who made an ordinarily good post about the Hobby Lobby ruling accused the person who sarcastically talked about companies being forced to pay for abortions as "ableist".

Ableist? It's misogyny you gibbon.

Maybe they assumed the commenter was male and was treating his comment as ableist because of he doesn't have to worry about getting pregnant?

Even then, the accusation makes the assumption that women are somehow inherently disabled for their ability to get pregnant.

Yeah, ableism is for things like mental and physical disabilities. Thinking that a person is inferior because they suffer from depression or refusing to make concessions for people in wheelchairs at your business is ableism. Saying that companies shouldn't provide birth control on their health care plans is not, and is so far from ableism that I don't even know how the connection could be made.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 06, 2014, 05:21:04 pm
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Things that make a 3rd Year Biomedicine student cry:

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or are you going to be a fucking anti-intellectual prick and tell me animals have socially constructed their sexes as well?

Animals never had any real ‘sex/gender’ attached to them in the first place eg given that ‘male’ birds are ZZ, ‘female’ birds are ZW and the chromosomes and sex determination system are so different from the XY determination system where females are the homogametic ‘sex’ (XX) and males are the heterogametic ‘sex’ (XY) in humans you wonder where humans drew that point of comparison in the first place.

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biological facts

http://www.twisteddoodles.com/post/86414780702/working-in-science (http://www.twisteddoodles.com/post/86414780702/working-in-science)

There is no such thing as a ‘fact’ in science, there are theories supported by experimental data and statistical analysis and sometimes they turn out to be INCORRECT or mistaken for something else or there are multiple influences of which we have isolated only one.  If facts existed my life would be much easier.

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our chromosomes

Our chromosomes (and their expression), environment AND epigenetic markers.

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sex characteristics…any variance from that is an intersex condition and their existence

So if I decide the next day to have prophylactic surgery to remove my breasts because I don’t want to risk the chance of breast cancer and the “biological sex” I am born as is female will I spontaneously become intersex?

The concept of sex and gender has a complexity which can not simply be quantified. It is less of “biological sex” and more of the “social stereotypes that society places upon qualitative and visible phenotypic traits” which conflicts with what the person identifies as.

Even our definition of “biological sex” was extremely rigid (male, female or intersex as you describe), we’d still have an absolute MINIMUM of two sexes within their life. Everyone would at least be female (shortly after fertilisation) and then female or male or intersex.

Oh god, this is that "we're all intersexed and intersex has an evolutionary benefit because it exists" asshole, isn't it?  I think it is because of their use of bird sexes to try and prove a point.  They're basically trying to argue that biological sex is a social concept.

And yes, "people who know more than you" can still be wrong and biased.  I knew a girl who was in college to be a neurosurgeon, and on one of her university group projects, the group leader commandeered the project to push veganism.

Edit:  Just saw someone (who claims to be a practicing neurologist) respond to this, and called the OP 'obtuse', which is what I was thinking when I read this.  They also urge the OP to talk to their professor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 06, 2014, 06:09:08 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 06, 2014, 04:34:44 pm
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/788/432/b8c.jpg)
I'm a bit suspicious about what the guy meant buy "everyone is responsible for their own actions" either way they both seem kinda stooped.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 06, 2014, 07:19:02 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on July 06, 2014, 06:09:08 pm
I'm a bit suspicious about what the guy meant buy "everyone is responsible for their own actions"

People are responsible for their actions, at least from a non-deterministic or compatibilist viewpoint.

Quote from: I am lizard on July 06, 2014, 06:09:08 pm
either way they both seem kinda stooped.

I don't see how their back posture figures into this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 06, 2014, 07:46:40 pm
Death to the stoopers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 06, 2014, 08:11:27 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 06, 2014, 05:21:04 pm
-snippity-

Heh, when I saw that first point, I thought they were trying to argue that animals can choose their own genders. I'm a little relieved I was wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 06, 2014, 08:31:22 pm
That sounds like something a PETA member would do on their REALLY crazy days.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 07, 2014, 02:00:09 am
(http://i.imgur.com/LpgsBiV.png)

"And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on July 07, 2014, 02:11:16 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 07, 2014, 02:00:09 am
(http://i.imgur.com/LpgsBiV.png)

"And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains."

Talking at all is ableist and oppresses mute people, please don't talk. Listening is ableist and oppresses deaf people, please don't listen. Reading and writing is ableist and oppresses the blind and illiterate, please don't write. All forms of communication are oppressive. All humans should live in sensory deprivation tanks.

I seriously want to ask some of these people what they think of the story "Harrison Bergeron".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 07, 2014, 02:12:42 am
It's the horseshoe theory in action.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 07, 2014, 09:14:42 am
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/d7b709b88af7f0ce9754b69a1fd26348/tumblr_n6q554ibVG1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Literally all of Westeros is queer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 07, 2014, 10:32:56 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 07, 2014, 09:14:42 am
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Literally all of Westeros is queer.

In my headcanon, everyone is gay except Loras and Renly. And Oberyn is asexual.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 07, 2014, 10:55:43 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 07, 2014, 09:14:42 am
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Literally all of Westeros is queer.

Funny how they didn't even touch Joffrey's sexuality.  Mostly because he's a psychotic, amoral, sadistic monster.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 07, 2014, 01:13:54 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on July 07, 2014, 10:55:43 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 07, 2014, 09:14:42 am
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Literally all of Westeros is queer.

Funny how they didn't even touch Joffrey's sexuality.  Mostly because he's a psychotic, amoral, sadistic monster.
And also because he's probably asexual, at least on the show.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 07, 2014, 02:48:33 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/547c2491e9480ad7c0f57f3d651fccd6/tumblr_n663kxtwHY1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)

Sometimes I wonder if little snowflakes like this have real conversations.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 07, 2014, 03:49:18 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 07, 2014, 01:13:54 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on July 07, 2014, 10:55:43 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 07, 2014, 09:14:42 am
(click to show/hide)

Literally all of Westeros is queer.

Funny how they didn't even touch Joffrey's sexuality.  Mostly because he's a psychotic, amoral, sadistic monster.
And also because he's probably asexual, at least on the show.

Actually, he catches me as aromantic, but not asexual.  If I didn't know any better, I'd swear he was jacking off as he made the one whore beat the other with...what I could only assume was part of a hat rack or a very fancy mace.  He may not care either way about screwing, except to perpetuate the royal line, but he does seem to take near-sexual pleasure in suffering and pain.  Sooooo...sadosexual?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 07, 2014, 06:21:03 pm
I have some safe, good outlets for my odd impulses, and I can safely say Joff is definitely a sexual sadist. He looked like he was LOVING that whore vs. whore combat.

Definitely aromantic - he really could not care less for romance.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 07, 2014, 08:43:53 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 07, 2014, 09:14:42 am
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/d7b709b88af7f0ce9754b69a1fd26348/tumblr_n6q554ibVG1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Literally all of Westeros is queer.

....oh my god.  They're right about the Tyrells though.  That whole fucking family is queer.  But everyone else?  Oh gods just...stop.

Ironbite-please.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 07, 2014, 08:47:39 pm
Well to me, Joffrey watching Ros torture Daisy with that stag-head mace seemed more like a sports fan watching his favorite team repeatedly score on the opposition than a sadomasochistic voyeur getting turned on by the violence.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 07, 2014, 10:03:15 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on July 07, 2014, 06:21:03 pm
I have some safe, good outlets for my odd impulses, and I can safely say Joff is definitely a sexual sadist. He looked like he was LOVING that whore vs. whore combat.

He's definitely a sadist, though it's debatable whether it's sexual. He never seemed particular interested in sex or physically pleasuring himself, just causing pain to others. Calling that "asexual", however, feels a bit like calling otherwise straight dudes who rape other dudes in prison "bisexual".

Quote
Definitely aromantic - he really could not care less for romance.

Eh, he's a sadistic psychopath. A lack of romance is just the tip of the iceberg.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 08, 2014, 12:07:02 am
I've started to grow tired of the headcanon thing. It's already a bit iffy to try and declare an author's interpretation of their own work invalid because you don't want to believe it, but fans (surprise surprise, especially the ones on Tumblr) are starting to try and turn their headcanon into actual canon in their own view. They make their own interpretation, declare it official as far as they're concerned, and become upset when it's not true.

Take the Destiel fandom. Shipping Dean Winchester and Castiel is okay on its own, but a lot of Destiel shippers have been crying foul and claiming that the show is "queer baiting" for intentionally incorporating homoerotic subtext recently and not acting on it.

Guys, they're making fun of you. The writers are totally aware of the Destiel ship and how nutty its fanbase is, and are intentionally throwing in references to the ship to screw with the shippers. But the headcanon-loving fans don't get it because in their minds, Dean and Castiel are canonically in love and the writers are afraid to incorporate homosexual or bisexual protagonists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 08, 2014, 01:06:59 am
It's fine to have a personal interpretation of a show though.
You just have to accept that it will always be fairly silly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 08, 2014, 02:07:42 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 08, 2014, 12:07:02 am
I've started to grow tired of the headcanon thing. It's already a bit iffy to try and declare an author's interpretation of their own work invalid because you don't want to believe it, but fans (surprise surprise, especially the ones on Tumblr) are starting to try and turn their headcanon into actual canon in their own view. They make their own interpretation, declare it official as far as they're concerned, and become upset when it's not true.

Take the Destiel fandom. Shipping Dean Winchester and Castiel is okay on its own, but a lot of Destiel shippers have been crying foul and claiming that the show is "queer baiting" for intentionally incorporating homoerotic subtext recently and not acting on it.

Guys, they're making fun of you. The writers are totally aware of the Destiel ship and how nutty its fanbase is, and are intentionally throwing in references to the ship to screw with the shippers. But the headcanon-loving fans don't get it because in their minds, Dean and Castiel are canonically in love and the writers are afraid to incorporate homosexual or bisexual protagonists.

It gets even worse when you come across essays dedicated to saying "all of your headcanons are valid because fiction isn't real, so you can't argue against something because it goes against the rules, because there are no rules".  I've seen exactly this done in response to people trying to justify problematic elements in fiction using canon, so they're basically the opposite of the extreme: "Oh, you say Zelda can't be the hero ever because canon says she always has to be the damsel?  Well, canon doesn't matter at all, at any point, for anything, so fuck you, purist!"  And for those curious, yes, it was somebody claiming that Zelda canon dictates that Zelda can never be the hero that set off this anti-canon rant.

Yeah, I'm against people using canon to justify sexism or whatever, but I strongly disagree with "canon isn't real so it's impossible to go against it". 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 08, 2014, 02:25:56 am
To be fair, the canon never even said THAT.  Somebody remembered Demise's dying curse wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 08, 2014, 02:28:53 am
They made fun of the shippers in Sherlock too. Yet people claimed it was a nod to them
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on July 08, 2014, 03:16:21 am
What do words like biromantic or demiromantic mean?  If it's different from sexual attraction what's the difference from a biromantic relationship and a close friendship?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 08, 2014, 03:17:33 am
Quote from: Skybison on July 08, 2014, 03:16:21 am
What do words like biromantic or demiromantic mean?
It means you're the specialest little snowflake on Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on July 08, 2014, 03:30:48 am
I'm a way specialier snowflake then them.  I'm only attracted to an asexual's gay headmate's pansexual headmate's demisexual headmate.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 08, 2014, 03:58:33 am
Quote from: Skybison on July 08, 2014, 03:16:21 am
What do words like biromantic or demiromantic mean?  If it's different from sexual attraction what's the difference from a biromantic relationship and a close friendship?

Biromantic means you have a romantic attraction to people of either gender.

Demiromantic means that you can only be romantic towards people you know really well.  ... *shrug*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on July 08, 2014, 06:26:44 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 08, 2014, 03:58:33 am
Demiromantic means that you can only be romantic towards people you know really well.  ... *shrug*
So... like anyone ever?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 08, 2014, 06:30:38 am
Quote from: LeTipex on July 08, 2014, 06:26:44 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 08, 2014, 03:58:33 am
Demiromantic means that you can only be romantic towards people you know really well.  ... *shrug*
So... like anyone ever?

Hence the shrug.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 08, 2014, 06:43:17 am
Quote from: LeTipex on July 08, 2014, 06:26:44 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on July 08, 2014, 03:58:33 am
Demiromantic means that you can only be romantic towards people you know really well.  ... *shrug*
So... like anyone ever?

Well, with demisexuality, you'd be met with "No, not like everyone else because we are physically incapable of feeling any sexual attraction towards people we don't have a strong connection to" (basically, it comes off sounding like "we're special because we can't get it up to random people/porn and we don't have any attraction towards people we see on the street").

So, if you say "just like everyone else", you'll be accused of "mixing up sexual feelings and romantic feelings".  I don't know how to apply that to demiromantics.  Maybe they can't develop relationships through blind dates?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 08, 2014, 07:49:32 am
To be perfectly honest, though, a blind date is a terrible way to start a relationship.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2014, 08:22:57 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 08, 2014, 02:07:42 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 08, 2014, 12:07:02 am
I've started to grow tired of the headcanon thing. It's already a bit iffy to try and declare an author's interpretation of their own work invalid because you don't want to believe it, but fans (surprise surprise, especially the ones on Tumblr) are starting to try and turn their headcanon into actual canon in their own view. They make their own interpretation, declare it official as far as they're concerned, and become upset when it's not true.

Take the Destiel fandom. Shipping Dean Winchester and Castiel is okay on its own, but a lot of Destiel shippers have been crying foul and claiming that the show is "queer baiting" for intentionally incorporating homoerotic subtext recently and not acting on it.

Guys, they're making fun of you. The writers are totally aware of the Destiel ship and how nutty its fanbase is, and are intentionally throwing in references to the ship to screw with the shippers. But the headcanon-loving fans don't get it because in their minds, Dean and Castiel are canonically in love and the writers are afraid to incorporate homosexual or bisexual protagonists.

It gets even worse when you come across essays dedicated to saying "all of your headcanons are valid because fiction isn't real, so you can't argue against something because it goes against the rules, because there are no rules".  I've seen exactly this done in response to people trying to justify problematic elements in fiction using canon, so they're basically the opposite of the extreme: "Oh, you say Zelda can't be the hero ever because canon says she always has to be the damsel?  Well, canon doesn't matter at all, at any point, for anything, so fuck you, purist!"  And for those curious, yes, it was somebody claiming that Zelda canon dictates that Zelda can never be the hero that set off this anti-canon rant.

Yeah, I'm against people using canon to justify sexism or whatever, but I strongly disagree with "canon isn't real so it's impossible to go against it".
I'm guessing these idiots are basing that around a misinterpretation of postmodernism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 08, 2014, 03:45:10 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 07, 2014, 10:03:15 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on July 07, 2014, 06:21:03 pm
I have some safe, good outlets for my odd impulses, and I can safely say Joff is definitely a sexual sadist. He looked like he was LOVING that whore vs. whore combat.

He's definitely a sadist, though it's debatable whether it's sexual. He never seemed particular interested in sex or physically pleasuring himself, just causing pain to others. Calling that "asexual", however, feels a bit like calling otherwise straight dudes who rape other dudes in prison "bisexual".

Quote
Definitely aromantic - he really could not care less for romance.

Eh, he's a sadistic psychopath. A lack of romance is just the tip of the iceberg.

In the books, Joffrey is 12-13 for most of the time we see him. Lack of sexual interest in a kid only just entering puberty is not unusual.

The show complicates this by making Joffrey older. I don't remember how older, though; I thought it was around two or three years, but Game of Thrones Wiki (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Joffrey_Baratheon) says he's 19 by Season 4. Confusing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on July 08, 2014, 05:08:02 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2014, 08:22:57 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 08, 2014, 02:07:42 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 08, 2014, 12:07:02 am
I've started to grow tired of the headcanon thing. It's already a bit iffy to try and declare an author's interpretation of their own work invalid because you don't want to believe it, but fans (surprise surprise, especially the ones on Tumblr) are starting to try and turn their headcanon into actual canon in their own view. They make their own interpretation, declare it official as far as they're concerned, and become upset when it's not true.

Take the Destiel fandom. Shipping Dean Winchester and Castiel is okay on its own, but a lot of Destiel shippers have been crying foul and claiming that the show is "queer baiting" for intentionally incorporating homoerotic subtext recently and not acting on it.

Guys, they're making fun of you. The writers are totally aware of the Destiel ship and how nutty its fanbase is, and are intentionally throwing in references to the ship to screw with the shippers. But the headcanon-loving fans don't get it because in their minds, Dean and Castiel are canonically in love and the writers are afraid to incorporate homosexual or bisexual protagonists.

It gets even worse when you come across essays dedicated to saying "all of your headcanons are valid because fiction isn't real, so you can't argue against something because it goes against the rules, because there are no rules".  I've seen exactly this done in response to people trying to justify problematic elements in fiction using canon, so they're basically the opposite of the extreme: "Oh, you say Zelda can't be the hero ever because canon says she always has to be the damsel?  Well, canon doesn't matter at all, at any point, for anything, so fuck you, purist!"  And for those curious, yes, it was somebody claiming that Zelda canon dictates that Zelda can never be the hero that set off this anti-canon rant.

Yeah, I'm against people using canon to justify sexism or whatever, but I strongly disagree with "canon isn't real so it's impossible to go against it".
I'm guessing these idiots are basing that around a misinterpretation of postmodernism.

I'm reminded of the (very serious) literary argument that the reader's interpretation of a work trumps that of authorial intent.  If the author says "the curtains were blue", and a reader interprets that as "The curtains were blue due to how Mrs. Jones always felt down and depressed, as if a stiff breeze could blow her aside as well", the reader is correct.

I still call bullshit on it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 08, 2014, 05:50:34 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on July 08, 2014, 05:08:02 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2014, 08:22:57 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 08, 2014, 02:07:42 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 08, 2014, 12:07:02 am
I've started to grow tired of the headcanon thing. It's already a bit iffy to try and declare an author's interpretation of their own work invalid because you don't want to believe it, but fans (surprise surprise, especially the ones on Tumblr) are starting to try and turn their headcanon into actual canon in their own view. They make their own interpretation, declare it official as far as they're concerned, and become upset when it's not true.

Take the Destiel fandom. Shipping Dean Winchester and Castiel is okay on its own, but a lot of Destiel shippers have been crying foul and claiming that the show is "queer baiting" for intentionally incorporating homoerotic subtext recently and not acting on it.

Guys, they're making fun of you. The writers are totally aware of the Destiel ship and how nutty its fanbase is, and are intentionally throwing in references to the ship to screw with the shippers. But the headcanon-loving fans don't get it because in their minds, Dean and Castiel are canonically in love and the writers are afraid to incorporate homosexual or bisexual protagonists.

It gets even worse when you come across essays dedicated to saying "all of your headcanons are valid because fiction isn't real, so you can't argue against something because it goes against the rules, because there are no rules".  I've seen exactly this done in response to people trying to justify problematic elements in fiction using canon, so they're basically the opposite of the extreme: "Oh, you say Zelda can't be the hero ever because canon says she always has to be the damsel?  Well, canon doesn't matter at all, at any point, for anything, so fuck you, purist!"  And for those curious, yes, it was somebody claiming that Zelda canon dictates that Zelda can never be the hero that set off this anti-canon rant.

Yeah, I'm against people using canon to justify sexism or whatever, but I strongly disagree with "canon isn't real so it's impossible to go against it".
I'm guessing these idiots are basing that around a misinterpretation of postmodernism.

I'm reminded of the (very serious) literary argument that the reader's interpretation of a work trumps that of authorial intent.  If the author says "the curtains were blue", and a reader interprets that as "The curtains were blue due to how Mrs. Jones always felt down and depressed, as if a stiff breeze could blow her aside as well", the reader is correct.

I still call bullshit on it.

The death of the author is the only coherent response to the problem of the original authors either being completely unaccounted for (e.g. the Bible), dead, or otherwise changing their minds in contradictory ways (did Han shoot first? If we were to completely ignore Star Wars as a work and unquestioningly follow Lucas, we'll get two different answers). All it means is that the work itself is objectively present and it can be examined on its own terms.

This paradigm can be abused, sure, but there are fundamental issues in literary analysis that would be unsolvable without it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 08, 2014, 06:25:55 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on July 08, 2014, 05:08:02 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2014, 08:22:57 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 08, 2014, 02:07:42 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 08, 2014, 12:07:02 am
I've started to grow tired of the headcanon thing. It's already a bit iffy to try and declare an author's interpretation of their own work invalid because you don't want to believe it, but fans (surprise surprise, especially the ones on Tumblr) are starting to try and turn their headcanon into actual canon in their own view. They make their own interpretation, declare it official as far as they're concerned, and become upset when it's not true.

Take the Destiel fandom. Shipping Dean Winchester and Castiel is okay on its own, but a lot of Destiel shippers have been crying foul and claiming that the show is "queer baiting" for intentionally incorporating homoerotic subtext recently and not acting on it.

Guys, they're making fun of you. The writers are totally aware of the Destiel ship and how nutty its fanbase is, and are intentionally throwing in references to the ship to screw with the shippers. But the headcanon-loving fans don't get it because in their minds, Dean and Castiel are canonically in love and the writers are afraid to incorporate homosexual or bisexual protagonists.

It gets even worse when you come across essays dedicated to saying "all of your headcanons are valid because fiction isn't real, so you can't argue against something because it goes against the rules, because there are no rules".  I've seen exactly this done in response to people trying to justify problematic elements in fiction using canon, so they're basically the opposite of the extreme: "Oh, you say Zelda can't be the hero ever because canon says she always has to be the damsel?  Well, canon doesn't matter at all, at any point, for anything, so fuck you, purist!"  And for those curious, yes, it was somebody claiming that Zelda canon dictates that Zelda can never be the hero that set off this anti-canon rant.

Yeah, I'm against people using canon to justify sexism or whatever, but I strongly disagree with "canon isn't real so it's impossible to go against it".
I'm guessing these idiots are basing that around a misinterpretation of postmodernism.

I'm reminded of the (very serious) literary argument that the reader's interpretation of a work trumps that of authorial intent.  If the author says "the curtains were blue", and a reader interprets that as "The curtains were blue due to how Mrs. Jones always felt down and depressed, as if a stiff breeze could blow her aside as well", the reader is correct.

I still call bullshit on it.

I think it's a mistake to talk about "correct" or "incorrect". It's fiction. There's no fact of the matter here, there's no outside world where either the curtains are blue or they aren't. The only "world" is the one each reader builds in their head out of their interpretation of words on paper. If the reader interprets "the curtains were blue" as a metaphor for depression, then in the world they built in their head the blue curtains are a metaphor for depression. Meanwhile, in the world the writer intended to create, the curtains are blue because that's their colour. Neither of those worlds is true in any meaningful sense; the curtains don't exist.

If the reader thinks "the author meant that the curtains were blue as a metaphor for depression", then yes, you can speak about correctness or incorrectness, because what the author meant is a fact about the world with a single right answer. But if the reader isn't trying to build the author's world, there's no sense in which it's wrong to differ from the author's interpretation.

There are many reasons why one might want to interpret the world the same as the author. If I want to talk to other readers, or predict what will happen later in the book, then it makes sense to act as if there was a "real" world which is the author is talking about. But if I don't care about that, well, there's no right and wrong in how you read fiction. The world you build in your head is the world you build in your head, it doesn't have to be compared to anything else.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 08, 2014, 09:53:53 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 08, 2014, 02:28:53 am
They made fun of the shippers in Sherlock too. Yet people claimed it was a nod to them

Sherlock season 3 was basically one giant Tumblr reference. Most of it done in at least a semi-mocking manner, but the Johnlock shipping dates back to literally the first time the books achieved popularity in the 19th century. It's just much easier to make fun of it now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 09, 2014, 12:05:13 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 08, 2014, 06:25:55 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on July 08, 2014, 05:08:02 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2014, 08:22:57 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 08, 2014, 02:07:42 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on July 08, 2014, 12:07:02 am
I've started to grow tired of the headcanon thing. It's already a bit iffy to try and declare an author's interpretation of their own work invalid because you don't want to believe it, but fans (surprise surprise, especially the ones on Tumblr) are starting to try and turn their headcanon into actual canon in their own view. They make their own interpretation, declare it official as far as they're concerned, and become upset when it's not true.

Take the Destiel fandom. Shipping Dean Winchester and Castiel is okay on its own, but a lot of Destiel shippers have been crying foul and claiming that the show is "queer baiting" for intentionally incorporating homoerotic subtext recently and not acting on it.

Guys, they're making fun of you. The writers are totally aware of the Destiel ship and how nutty its fanbase is, and are intentionally throwing in references to the ship to screw with the shippers. But the headcanon-loving fans don't get it because in their minds, Dean and Castiel are canonically in love and the writers are afraid to incorporate homosexual or bisexual protagonists.

It gets even worse when you come across essays dedicated to saying "all of your headcanons are valid because fiction isn't real, so you can't argue against something because it goes against the rules, because there are no rules".  I've seen exactly this done in response to people trying to justify problematic elements in fiction using canon, so they're basically the opposite of the extreme: "Oh, you say Zelda can't be the hero ever because canon says she always has to be the damsel?  Well, canon doesn't matter at all, at any point, for anything, so fuck you, purist!"  And for those curious, yes, it was somebody claiming that Zelda canon dictates that Zelda can never be the hero that set off this anti-canon rant.

Yeah, I'm against people using canon to justify sexism or whatever, but I strongly disagree with "canon isn't real so it's impossible to go against it".
I'm guessing these idiots are basing that around a misinterpretation of postmodernism.

I'm reminded of the (very serious) literary argument that the reader's interpretation of a work trumps that of authorial intent.  If the author says "the curtains were blue", and a reader interprets that as "The curtains were blue due to how Mrs. Jones always felt down and depressed, as if a stiff breeze could blow her aside as well", the reader is correct.

I still call bullshit on it.

I think it's a mistake to talk about "correct" or "incorrect". It's fiction. There's no fact of the matter here, there's no outside world where either the curtains are blue or they aren't. The only "world" is the one each reader builds in their head out of their interpretation of words on paper. If the reader interprets "the curtains were blue" as a metaphor for depression, then in the world they built in their head the blue curtains are a metaphor for depression. Meanwhile, in the world the writer intended to create, the curtains are blue because that's their colour. Neither of those worlds is true in any meaningful sense; the curtains don't exist.

If the reader thinks "the author meant that the curtains were blue as a metaphor for depression", then yes, you can speak about correctness or incorrectness, because what the author meant is a fact about the world with a single right answer. But if the reader isn't trying to build the author's world, there's no sense in which it's wrong to differ from the author's interpretation.

There are many reasons why one might want to interpret the world the same as the author. If I want to talk to other readers, or predict what will happen later in the book, then it makes sense to act as if there was a "real" world which is the author is talking about. But if I don't care about that, well, there's no right and wrong in how you read fiction. The world you build in your head is the world you build in your head, it doesn't have to be compared to anything else.

Incidentally, even the author isn't always entirely certain of the correct interpretation. It's a peculiar side effect of having your characters and story seemingly take on a life of their own as you develop them in your head.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 09, 2014, 03:37:05 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/38be286074ce75c006776a6e642c2924/tumblr_n6xqhuC5Y61ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e5527993de1dac6dd33283c71f400d34/tumblr_mghpzznJJr1rf4temo3_250.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Raymond Dullaghy on July 09, 2014, 03:44:50 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 09, 2014, 03:37:05 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/38be286074ce75c006776a6e642c2924/tumblr_n6xqhuC5Y61ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e5527993de1dac6dd33283c71f400d34/tumblr_mghpzznJJr1rf4temo3_250.gif)
That has so many weasel words (Is that is the right term?) that I'm not quite sure what it's supposed to mean in the first place.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 09, 2014, 06:38:40 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 09, 2014, 03:37:05 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/38be286074ce75c006776a6e642c2924/tumblr_n6xqhuC5Y61ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/e5527993de1dac6dd33283c71f400d34/tumblr_mghpzznJJr1rf4temo3_250.gif)

Anything for them to feel oppressed, eh? If I were part of one of those religions, I sure wouldn't wanna be associated with otherkin.

As an aside, I wonder if the person who wrote that will catch flak for implying that otherkin only identify with animals while they actually claim to be the animals in human form.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 09, 2014, 06:54:49 pm
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And if so, isn't otherkin hate bordering on anti-theism

Anti-theist here. I am highly amused by social degenerates getting their panties in a twist over our label.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 10, 2014, 08:00:10 am
Quote from: Ironchew on July 09, 2014, 06:54:49 pm
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And if so, isn't otherkin hate bordering on anti-theism

Anti-theist here. I am highly amused by social degenerates getting their panties in a twist over our label.
You're one to talk about "social degenerates".  Or do you not remember how you deliberately misgendered a transwoman?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 10, 2014, 10:28:05 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 10, 2014, 08:00:10 am
Quote from: Ironchew on July 09, 2014, 06:54:49 pm
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And if so, isn't otherkin hate bordering on anti-theism

Anti-theist here. I am highly amused by social degenerates getting their panties in a twist over our label.
You're one to talk about "social degenerates".  Or do you not remember how you deliberately misgendered a transwoman?

It's not FQA without the high school levels of drama and the needlessly archival guilt tripping.

Stay classy, UP.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 10, 2014, 12:12:06 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on July 10, 2014, 10:28:05 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 10, 2014, 08:00:10 am
Quote from: Ironchew on July 09, 2014, 06:54:49 pm
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And if so, isn't otherkin hate bordering on anti-theism

Anti-theist here. I am highly amused by social degenerates getting their panties in a twist over our label.
You're one to talk about "social degenerates".  Or do you not remember how you deliberately misgendered a transwoman?

It's not FQA without the high school levels of drama and the needlessly archival guilt tripping.

Stay classy, UP.

Archival? It was a month ago.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 10, 2014, 01:58:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/3GIhadi.png)

Chevalier de Saint-Georges was a racist shitlord.

 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 10, 2014, 02:50:25 pm
'Scuse me, Ms. Ostrowska? I like both of those genres of music, and I despise both racism and misogyny. In fact, I'm pretty feminine as far as guys go, and seeing how many of my fellow metal fans act like dude-bros is what woke me up to how widespread misogyny really is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 10, 2014, 03:13:16 pm
How #NotAll[Classical/Metal]Fans of you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 10, 2014, 03:31:51 pm
I never said "Not all metal fans." In fact, I acknowledged that most metal fans ARE misogynists and racists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 10, 2014, 03:47:45 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on July 10, 2014, 03:31:51 pm
I never said "Not all metal fans." In fact, I acknowledged that most metal fans ARE misogynists and racists.
"Most"?  Pretty ballsy statement there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 10, 2014, 03:59:06 pm
I apply Sturgeon's Law to humanity because I've been hurt too many times, give me a break.

Plus, if you look at comments on metal videos on YouTube, what words do you see the commenters use? "Faggot." "Bitch." "Pussy." "Cunt."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 10, 2014, 04:00:08 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on July 10, 2014, 03:59:06 pm
I apply Sturgeon's Law to humanity because I've been hurt too many times, give me a break.
In other words, you're a misanthrope.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 10, 2014, 04:01:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 10, 2014, 04:00:08 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on July 10, 2014, 03:59:06 pm
I apply Sturgeon's Law to humanity because I've been hurt too many times, give me a break.
In other words, you're a misanthrope.
Pretty much.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 10, 2014, 04:04:26 pm
But anyway, it's internet comments.  What do you expect?  You can't look at a video of fucking cats without seeing shitheads dropping slurs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 10, 2014, 04:36:17 pm
I gotta admit, as a fan of metal, I'm pretty damn offended.

But hey, as long as I'm going to be judged by my genre of music, might as well be misogynist, right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 10, 2014, 04:38:02 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on July 10, 2014, 03:59:06 pm
Plus, if you look at comments on metal videos on YouTube, what words do you see the commenters use? "Faggot." "Bitch." "Pussy." "Cunt."

Those are practically generalized insults by this point. "Insult" may even be stretching it; I could see all four of those words eventually morphing into affectionate ways of addressing someone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 10, 2014, 04:42:12 pm
...I have to...ergh, agree with 'Chew a little.  The middle two may be insults, but their use is often less than misogynist.  I call people pussies all the time when they're being whiny little pricks, and if I had a nickel for every time I jokingly called my own brother "bitch," I'd be able to pay Bill Gates to come to my house and do my laundry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 10, 2014, 04:48:42 pm
I will likewise have to agree with Chew.

For example, when a girl-nerd and I were playing Romance of the Three Kingdoms XI, she essentially razed my navy. I proceeded to call her a "Raging Thunder-Cunt", and she responded she is a "victorious raging thunder-cunt" and I should get my terminology right.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 10, 2014, 05:00:57 pm
I concede. Sorry if I was offending anybody. It was wrong of me.

Note to self: do not post in threads when depressed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on July 10, 2014, 06:22:15 pm
Its all good. I'm  a fan of both genres as well, though I doubt the person who said it would know the difference between Classical and Baroque if it bit them in the ass.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 10, 2014, 06:54:21 pm
Offended?  Me?  Ha, Pendra, brotha, that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 10, 2014, 09:42:05 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 10, 2014, 01:58:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/3GIhadi.png)

Chevalier de Saint-Georges was a racist shitlord.
Classical?
Sure it can be really snobby but it's hardly sexist or racist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 10, 2014, 09:53:34 pm
I actually use the word for faggot for people that take things way too seriously/pretend to be seriously into a thing for attention. I.e. people that beat the fuck out of each other for not liking a youtube star.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 10, 2014, 10:18:29 pm
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on July 10, 2014, 09:53:34 pm
I actually use the word for faggot for people that take things way too seriously/pretend to be seriously into a thing for attention. I.e. people that beat the fuck out of each other for not liking a youtube star.

Honestly I take more offense at the word "autistic" being thrown around as an insult than I do the word faggot.

Fred Phelps desensitized me to the word.

As for cunt and twat, I understand that people get offended so I won't use those words myself, but trying to police other people's language is not just a dick thing to do, but it's also not worth the effort.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 11, 2014, 11:08:10 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/3813026c038bcb2ba97de6921d251f33/tumblr_n8kv4rF7aD1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6gG_jLAjguY/USCwE6c9H5I/AAAAAAAAKpQ/TYl3IIuZFSk/s1600/sloth-no.gif)

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/79b14984c676293fec589630a2d33bb0/tumblr_n74e423sjx1ryeto5o1_500.png)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: tumblrinas have taken a good idea (trigger warnings) and bastardized them into nothingness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 11, 2014, 11:18:51 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 11, 2014, 11:08:10 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/3813026c038bcb2ba97de6921d251f33/tumblr_n8kv4rF7aD1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Nothing more attractive than an entitled little cuntwaffle. You thought this kind of attitude was limited to spoiled rich kids? Thanks to Tumblr, everyone can experience the same oh so delightful combination of entitlement and being a raging shithead, regardless of socioeconomic background.

The internet is truly a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 11, 2014, 11:25:26 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 11, 2014, 11:18:51 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 11, 2014, 11:08:10 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/3813026c038bcb2ba97de6921d251f33/tumblr_n8kv4rF7aD1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Nothing more attractive than an entitled little cuntwaffle. You thought this kind of attitude was limited to spoiled rich kids? Thanks to Tumblr, everyone can experience the same oh so delightful combination of entitlement and being a raging shithead, regardless of socioeconomic background.

The internet is truly a wonderful thing.
The great equalizer of our time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 11, 2014, 11:26:53 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 11, 2014, 11:08:10 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/3813026c038bcb2ba97de6921d251f33/tumblr_n8kv4rF7aD1ryeto5o1_500.png)

That's from the blog ErasingPrivilege, which is a troll/satire blog.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 11, 2014, 11:27:04 pm
I've always failed to see the point of dating / having sex with someone you're not attracted to. Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of those things? And if the only reason you're dating/ having sex with someone is because they're the opposite of what you're attracted too, isn't that just writing them off just as much as only dating someone because they're hot?

And of course, I doubt these people would take their own advice and date someone they don't like.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 11, 2014, 11:28:02 pm
So is superfat to super obesity what deathfat is to morbid obesity?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 11, 2014, 11:43:14 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 11, 2014, 11:08:10 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/79b14984c676293fec589630a2d33bb0/tumblr_n74e423sjx1ryeto5o1_500.png)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: tumblrinas have taken a good idea (trigger warnings) and bastardized them into nothingness.

Tumblr has given rise to the idea that everything inside your head is "valid", "perspective" means all ideas things must be humored, and you can't question any claims that people make, ever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 12, 2014, 05:14:41 pm
Besides, everyone's idea of beauty is different. And sometimes you find it where you don't expect it. Used to be, I would have said that hair is kind of an important thing for beauty. But then I met a girl who's bald (cancer sucks btw) and I find her very beautiful. I also enjoy telling her this, mostly because of the adorable way she laughs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 12, 2014, 10:16:10 pm
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 11, 2014, 11:27:04 pm
I've always failed to see the point of dating / having sex with someone you're not attracted to. Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of those things?

It wasn't too long ago in Best of Social Justice that people were claiming that men who didn't date transwomen (or vice-versa) were being transphobic. Some people are just so self-absorbed that they demand everyone else have the same preferences they do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 14, 2014, 12:12:53 am
I could be thinking of a different discussion, but as I recall, the actual argument was that not being attracted to post-op trans women strictly because they're trans (wanting to have your own biological children with your partner not withstanding) does imply a least a degree of societal bias -- namely that they're still being perceived as men, or at least "less female" on some level -- even if that doesn't make someone a horrible person or mean that we should all force ourselves to date people we're not attracted to, being that sexual attraction is a complicated beast and near impossible to control (not to mention that dating someone you're not into is bound to end terribly for both you and the other person).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 15, 2014, 02:34:05 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/RhNSZxZ.png)

(http://www.okmoviequotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/8-Billy-Madison-quotes.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on July 15, 2014, 03:07:14 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 15, 2014, 02:34:05 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/RhNSZxZ.png)

(http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/b/b6/Fractal-wrongness.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 15, 2014, 05:15:43 pm
The rest of this person's Tumblr is just as disgusting.

Look, lady, I'm cishet. There's no arguing about it. Its not a prison. Its not a lie.

I just like to fuck who I like to fuck. Amazing how you SJWs are now taking a similar stance to that taken by Right-Wing Extremists - "no, your identity is not valid, be like us!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 15, 2014, 05:36:33 pm
It's funny, because in their fight to destroy gender norms, they're actually enforcing them.  By saying that "cis is a lie because it contains these enforced traits", they're limiting cis people to those traits, and insisting that anything outside the norm is not cis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 15, 2014, 10:38:07 pm
These are the same idiots who think Spielberg killed a dinosaur.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on July 16, 2014, 11:00:57 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 15, 2014, 10:38:07 pm
These are the same idiots who think Spielberg killed a dinosaur.

...wait, what?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 16, 2014, 11:40:40 am
Quote from: Random Guy on July 16, 2014, 11:00:57 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 15, 2014, 10:38:07 pm
These are the same idiots who think Spielberg killed a dinosaur.

...wait, what?

Someone took a picture of Steven Spielberg next to one of the animatronic dinosaurs from Jurassic Park and made a satirical caption that it was a picture of a hunter illegally killing a rare dinosaur. A disturbingly large amount of people began commenting as if not only dinosaurs were still alive, but that such evil poachers needed to be stopped.

It's still unclear how many, if any, were actually being serious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 16, 2014, 11:58:49 am
(http://itsjason.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Abraham-lincoln-internet-quote11.png)

this seems oddly appropriate right now
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on July 17, 2014, 12:16:49 am
http://douchebagdork.tumblr.com/post/85704013931/srsbronydrama-warriorqueenboudica

TL;DR version: Tumblrinas call out rape jokes then in the same breath defend "non-con" porn.

EDIT: May be NSFW.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 17, 2014, 12:43:26 am
Thanks Tumblr, a big problem today is how people take rape culture to seriously, hopefully you'll be able to change that!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 20, 2014, 12:11:21 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/7db3f025b9b94292bc77a5aab1e5a41c/tumblr_n8xkutOZgm1sln4rfo1_500.png)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/d4af92f5a05a758f4e392c3d09308af2/tumblr_n8xlbg0E6c1sln4rfo1_500.png)

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/e961883c21f1ea6c973eda63d7b844f7/tumblr_n8xmkeCHIC1sln4rfo1_500.png)

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/15c2d226886d862c31aaf93b54e95cb5/tumblr_n8bl3f2CV11sln4rfo1_500.png)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/08311d5883d176308da126fbdcdbd45e/tumblr_n8bk2gJfhE1sln4rfo4_500.png)

(http://media.giphy.com/media/XaFhFM2lVRoVa/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 20, 2014, 12:20:00 am
Holy shit it's a blizzard!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 20, 2014, 01:34:08 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 20, 2014, 12:11:21 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/08311d5883d176308da126fbdcdbd45e/tumblr_n8bk2gJfhE1sln4rfo4_500.png)

(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/250px-130Gyarados.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on July 20, 2014, 05:33:37 am
Jesus christ Tumblr you really got to get your shit together, maybe another hour in the ballpit will help you think straight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 20, 2014, 08:05:40 am
so let me get this straight (no pun intended). now, after taking apart the trans movement, some idiots want to just annoy dysphoric trans while making up stupid and overly complicated genders? and excuse me, but how can there be more than one gender? polymale/female should me that there are multiple genders of each whereas it is male/female/other/neither/both, right? please tell me that these guys are not creating butch-female/lipstick female or macho-male/femme-male just to be an even bigger snowflake.


odd question from left field: how the hell do tumblrinas go on dates with so many labels?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 20, 2014, 08:13:30 am
Quote from: Guizonde on July 20, 2014, 08:05:40 am
odd question from left field: how the hell do tumblrinas go on dates with so many labels?!

Fallacy: Implying that they go on dates implies that they leave the house, which we know is in general not true.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 20, 2014, 11:04:20 am
I like the domgender one, since it's basically saying " I have multiple genders, but only ever act on one of them." It lets them feel special without making them change anything. I'd be surprised if they didn't have something like that for the people that claim to have multiple personalities, too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 20, 2014, 11:06:40 am
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on July 20, 2014, 11:04:20 am
I like the domgender one, since it's basically saying " I have multiple genders, but only ever act on one of them." It lets them feel special without making them change anything. I'd be surprised if they didn't have something like that for the people that claim to have multiple personalities, too.

if i remember correctly, the people who say they have "headmates" sometimes do say they have dominant personnalities... so chances are, you're totally right on both counts
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 21, 2014, 10:04:05 pm
A dreamwidth community thread has a joke title of "pronouns: dragon, dragons, dragonself", which got this response:

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the post title is really tacky unless you're trans, mod. It's fine if we make fun of dumb sparklegenders. It's not really cool when cis people do.

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good job just assuming the mod is cis tho

Assuming the internet is 99% demigirl omnisexuals is some batshit sparklegender logic. The mod is probably cis if we're going rule of nubmers here. Most of the members of the community are probably also cisgender and we don't need to open the comm to those kinds of jokes being made in front of them.

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do you even go here? we've had anons explaining why sparklegenders are linguistically bullshit on here. we've had anons explaining why sparklegenders are hurting trans/nb acceptance. we make fun of sparklegenders all the time, because they're ridiculous special-snowflakeself hooey.

They are ridiculous hooey but it still doesn't warrant a post title.

So, you know the majority of cis people in this thread make fun of sparklegenders because they hurt the trans community, but you don't want them to joke about it because . . . those same cis people will suddenly start making fun of the trans community?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 21, 2014, 10:50:15 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 21, 2014, 10:04:05 pm
A dreamwidth community thread has a joke title of "pronouns: dragon, dragons, dragonself", which got this response:

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the post title is really tacky unless you're trans, mod. It's fine if we make fun of dumb sparklegenders. It's not really cool when cis people do.

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good job just assuming the mod is cis tho

Assuming the internet is 99% demigirl omnisexuals is some batshit sparklegender logic. The mod is probably cis if we're going rule of nubmers here. Most of the members of the community are probably also cisgender and we don't need to open the comm to those kinds of jokes being made in front of them.

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do you even go here? we've had anons explaining why sparklegenders are linguistically bullshit on here. we've had anons explaining why sparklegenders are hurting trans/nb acceptance. we make fun of sparklegenders all the time, because they're ridiculous special-snowflakeself hooey.

They are ridiculous hooey but it still doesn't warrant a post title.

So, you know the majority of cis people in this thread make fun of sparklegenders because they hurt the trans community, but you don't want them to joke about it because . . . those same cis people will suddenly start making fun of the trans community?

the hell is a sparlklegender? tumblrspeak for a special snowflake?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 21, 2014, 10:57:03 pm
"Sparkle" has been used as an adjective for "special snowflake" and "Mary Sue" qualities.  For example, I've seen the term "sparkledog" used a lot over the years to describe the plethora Mary Sue canine OCs.  In this case, "sparklegender" refers to those nounself pronouns, like bunself and faeself, since the majority of them are most likely being used by people who want to be super special.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 22, 2014, 12:48:58 am
I stumbled upon another one:
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pronoun stuff


•they/their/themselves
•fae/faer/faerselves
•co/cos/coselves
•vae/vaer/vaerselves
•nov/novs/novselves

What do these even mean?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on July 22, 2014, 01:10:15 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 22, 2014, 12:48:58 am
I stumbled upon another one:
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pronoun stuff


•they/their/themselves
•fae/faer/faerselves
•co/cos/coselves
•vae/vaer/vaerselves
•nov/novs/novselves

What do these even mean?

"I'm a special snowflake..."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on July 22, 2014, 03:18:21 am
Flake/flakes/flakeself...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 22, 2014, 05:11:12 am
ave/aver/averself

...for being completely average.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on July 22, 2014, 12:19:18 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 22, 2014, 12:48:58 am
I stumbled upon another one:
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pronoun stuff


•they/their/themselves
•fae/faer/faerselves
•co/cos/coselves
•vae/vaer/vaerselves
•nov/novs/novselves

What do these even mean?

Obviously, they're pronouns used to refer to the following:
* Humans
* Fairies
* Cosplayers
* Vaeris (sic) from Game of Thrones
* New Stars
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 23, 2014, 02:41:56 am
(http://media.tumblr.com/a0b5c1cfb80c2ba0c0d53c607054e3a1/tumblr_inline_n92linkef21rbw4b5.png)

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/92450462b97f6a6fab03f41bbf2e8919/tumblr_n8sne08hCQ1rmluldo1_500.png)

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/046ddc86eae44c7ed0a85213ea81a5a7/tumblr_n91jn1O38v1sln4rfo1_500.png)

Why are they're so many of them?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 23, 2014, 03:07:09 am
How many letters are there now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Mechtaur on July 23, 2014, 03:12:30 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 23, 2014, 02:41:56 am
(http://media.tumblr.com/a0b5c1cfb80c2ba0c0d53c607054e3a1/tumblr_inline_n92linkef21rbw4b5.png)

I absolutely adore the ones that add the threat of "calling you out". It's almost like they believe they can stop someone from using it as they please.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 23, 2014, 08:16:02 am
At first, I thought the "flag" was a picture of a YouTube video that was failing to load properly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 23, 2014, 09:12:27 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on July 23, 2014, 08:16:02 am
At first, I thought the "flag" was a picture of a YouTube video that was failing to load properly.

Careful, you might give them an idea for a new gender identity. "Https/Httpser/Httpself".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on July 23, 2014, 10:10:06 am
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 23, 2014, 09:12:27 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on July 23, 2014, 08:16:02 am
At first, I thought the "flag" was a picture of a YouTube video that was failing to load properly.

Careful, you might give them an idea for a new gender identity. "Https/Httpser/Httpself".

People who think their souls live on the internet and they're just in flesh puppets in reality?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on July 23, 2014, 12:10:46 pm
I was thinking more along the lines of an improperly embedded Youtube video.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 23, 2014, 12:11:40 pm
Well...I'm annoyed
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 23, 2014, 12:22:45 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 23, 2014, 02:41:56 am
(http://media.tumblr.com/a0b5c1cfb80c2ba0c0d53c607054e3a1/tumblr_inline_n92linkef21rbw4b5.png)

a) I'm not sure you know what a gender is.

b) You can't define something as undefinable. It gets all Berry paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berry_paradox) and shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 23, 2014, 05:38:41 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 23, 2014, 02:41:56 am
(http://media.tumblr.com/a0b5c1cfb80c2ba0c0d53c607054e3a1/tumblr_inline_n92linkef21rbw4b5.png)

I like how they disallow 'neurotypical' people from using this gender, then at the end call on those same people to reblog it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 23, 2014, 05:49:52 pm
i think i flair a paradox: it says it's a nonbinary gender, yet it distinguishes between neurotypical and -divergent, thereby by trying to avoid the gender binary, they create one wholecloth incidentally...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 23, 2014, 08:08:07 pm
So, a blog called idislikecispeople said this:

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wait so is a trigger anything you dislike?

A trigger is anything that ilicits a negative response in someone, so in some sense, yeah?

Somebody wrote a long response about what triggering actually looks like. (http://eyja44.tumblr.com/post/92590114978/wait-so-is-a-trigger-anything-you-dislike)  That, in turn, got this response:

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WOW I FUCKING LOVE THESE POSTS THAT GET ALL NO TRUE SCOTSMEN WITH PANIC DISORDERS. I LOVE HEARING THAT I DON’T ~REALLY~ HAVE A PANIC DISORDER BECAUSE I DON’T GO INTO FULL MELTDOWN BUT INSTEAD HAVE TO SUFFER THE SLOW BURN THAT BUILDS INTO PANIC ATTACKS AND FEELING CONSTANTLY SICK AND ON-EDGE AFTER BEING TRIGGERED.

~*LUV IT*~

AND I DOUBLE LUV IT THAT INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING, HEY, MAYBE TUMBLR HAS BECOME A SAFE SPACE FOR PEOPLE AND HAS EMPOWERED A LOT OF FOLKS TO ASK FOR ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE THEIR MENTAL HEALTH BETTER, NAH, IT’S A SHITTY TREND FROM ~TUMBLRINAS~ BECAUSE ~LOL FUCK THEM GIRLY GIRLS RITE~

WHAT A WONDERFUL MOTHERFUCKING POST. TY FOR REBLOGGING IT. GO FUCK YOURSELF.

"THERE'S NO ABUSE GOING ON HERE.  NOBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY ABUSES THE TERM TRIGGER EVER.  'TRIGGER' IS WHATEVER YOU WANT IT BE."

There was another long post that basically said the same thing as capsmash here, with the "trigger can apply to different things with different reactions, and they're all valid".  So either they're ignoring what these people are responding to, or they honestly believe that simply being uncomfortable/annoyed/irritated counts as being triggered.

Also, whenever I read posts like this, I think of the phrase "everything is valid" sung in the tune of "every sperm is sacred".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 24, 2014, 12:55:53 am
No one is saying that you don't have a panic disorder OP. They're saying that legitimate mental disorders are being appropriated on this site by little princesses claiming to be "triggered" by a post on the internet that they don't agree with.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 24, 2014, 06:38:10 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 24, 2014, 12:55:53 am
No one is saying that you don't have a panic disorder OP. They're saying that legitimate mental disorders are being appropriated on this site by little princesses claiming to be "triggered" by a post on the internet that they don't agree with.

"funny" fact. the other day i was eating with an ex-mil friend. as the beer flowed, so did the words. he triggered my ptsd accidentally (shakes, convulsions, trouble speaking, dark thoughts... the usual), and by telling my story i actually triggered his (i think the trigger was lots of blood, and a sense of helplessness), but both reactions were very physical, and his actually got him an honorable discharge. i can read about abuse and not flinch, but these tumblrinas call anything triggering, including improper punctuation. where do you get post-traumatic stress from a misplaced semicolon?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on July 24, 2014, 01:11:27 pm
You know, I once actually thought hard about which gender I "identify" as and I realized...I don't care. I'm biologically female and I'm OK with that, but I don't think I'd care if it was the other way. Granted, my husband might have some issues if I woke up one day as a man, but I personally just don't think of myself as a gender. I guess I'm Whatthefuckevergender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on July 24, 2014, 01:21:40 pm
Quote from: Lady Evil on July 24, 2014, 01:11:27 pm
You know, I once actually thought hard about which gender I "identify" as and I realized...I don't care. I'm biologically female and I'm OK with that, but I don't think I'd care if it was the other way. Granted, my husband might have some issues if I woke up one day as a man, but I personally just don't think of myself as a gender. I guess I'm Whatthefuckevergender.

I'm the same. I do kinda wish I had been born female, but I don't care enough to go through the effort of transitioning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 24, 2014, 02:50:55 pm
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Reminder that sports mascots mock furries and otherkin.

(http://www.troll.me/images/idiot-gaston/what-the-fuck-am-i-reading.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on July 24, 2014, 02:54:23 pm
I'd say that's pretty clearly a joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on July 25, 2014, 12:47:31 am
(http://media.tumblr.com/b82973c6f49dc4cba4058110c283f5ab/tumblr_inline_n91t76UFMr1ssrue3.png)

Well, would you look at that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 25, 2014, 01:11:32 am
Quote from: Kanesyth on July 25, 2014, 12:47:31 am
(http://media.tumblr.com/b82973c6f49dc4cba4058110c283f5ab/tumblr_inline_n91t76UFMr1ssrue3.png)

Well, would you look at that.

(http://i.imgur.com/RhkuDrR.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 25, 2014, 01:56:41 am
Looking at "her" blog, I think this might be a poe.  It was started on May 25th, and the latest post was on June 19th, and contains posts such as:

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(⌒▽⌒)☆ Friendly reminder~ that if you think of a woman sexually without her consent you are raping her. (｀・ω・´)”

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Hi there! This is a greeting from Joanna! I’m a blogger and a feminist

(｀・ω・´)” and 20 years old!

I love anime and games and hate men and patriarchy. I’m a postmodernist, grey moral, aromantic bigendered.

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Maleness should be treated as a crime: it leads to rape and to tragedies like what happened in Santa Barbra. Maleness leads to these things and we should discouraged and criminalized.

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If white people really cared about equality they’d kill themselves.

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When you critisize feminism you are saying that it’s okay for your mom, your wife, your daughter and your sister to be raped.

Some of the posts sound like genuine radscum rhetoric, but these ones . . . I just don't know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 25, 2014, 08:39:45 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 24, 2014, 02:50:55 pm
Quote
Reminder that sports mascots mock furries and otherkin.

(http://www.troll.me/images/idiot-gaston/what-the-fuck-am-i-reading.jpg)

They say that like its a bad thing.

[For the humour impaired, the above is sarcasm.]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on July 25, 2014, 01:07:49 pm
Quote from: Kanesyth on July 25, 2014, 12:47:31 am
(http://media.tumblr.com/b82973c6f49dc4cba4058110c283f5ab/tumblr_inline_n91t76UFMr1ssrue3.png)

Well, would you look at that.

This person doesn't read a lot of yaoi fic.....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 25, 2014, 08:38:32 pm
.........wat?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 25, 2014, 09:19:55 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 23, 2014, 08:08:07 pm
So, a blog called idislikecispeople said this:

Quote
Quote
wait so is a trigger anything you dislike?

A trigger is anything that ilicits a negative response in someone, so in some sense, yeah?

Somebody wrote a long response about what triggering actually looks like. (http://eyja44.tumblr.com/post/92590114978/wait-so-is-a-trigger-anything-you-dislike)  That, in turn, got this response:

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WOW I FUCKING LOVE THESE POSTS THAT GET ALL NO TRUE SCOTSMEN WITH PANIC DISORDERS. I LOVE HEARING THAT I DON’T ~REALLY~ HAVE A PANIC DISORDER BECAUSE I DON’T GO INTO FULL MELTDOWN BUT INSTEAD HAVE TO SUFFER THE SLOW BURN THAT BUILDS INTO PANIC ATTACKS AND FEELING CONSTANTLY SICK AND ON-EDGE AFTER BEING TRIGGERED.

~*LUV IT*~

AND I DOUBLE LUV IT THAT INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING, HEY, MAYBE TUMBLR HAS BECOME A SAFE SPACE FOR PEOPLE AND HAS EMPOWERED A LOT OF FOLKS TO ASK FOR ACCOMMODATIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE THEIR MENTAL HEALTH BETTER, NAH, IT’S A SHITTY TREND FROM ~TUMBLRINAS~ BECAUSE ~LOL FUCK THEM GIRLY GIRLS RITE~

WHAT A WONDERFUL MOTHERFUCKING POST. TY FOR REBLOGGING IT. GO FUCK YOURSELF.

"THERE'S NO ABUSE GOING ON HERE.  NOBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY ABUSES THE TERM TRIGGER EVER.  'TRIGGER' IS WHATEVER YOU WANT IT BE."

There was another long post that basically said the same thing as capsmash here, with the "trigger can apply to different things with different reactions, and they're all valid".  So either they're ignoring what these people are responding to, or they honestly believe that simply being uncomfortable/annoyed/irritated counts as being triggered.

Also, whenever I read posts like this, I think of the phrase "everything is valid" sung in the tune of "every sperm is sacred".
Lol, they apparently started to get even loonier.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 25, 2014, 09:21:08 pm
Quote from: Kanesyth on July 25, 2014, 12:47:31 am
(http://media.tumblr.com/b82973c6f49dc4cba4058110c283f5ab/tumblr_inline_n91t76UFMr1ssrue3.png)

Well, would you look at that.
They seem like a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 26, 2014, 03:08:13 am
Quote from: I am lizard on July 25, 2014, 09:21:08 pm
Quote from: Kanesyth on July 25, 2014, 12:47:31 am
(http://media.tumblr.com/b82973c6f49dc4cba4058110c283f5ab/tumblr_inline_n91t76UFMr1ssrue3.png)

Well, would you look at that.
They seem like a troll.


I said that a few posts above.  They're not active anymore and were only on for less than a month, and made claims like "thinking about a woman sexually is rape" and "white people who care about equality would kill themselves".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 26, 2014, 11:08:57 am
Yeah, you could smell the /pol/ on them from a mile away.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on July 26, 2014, 03:39:19 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on July 26, 2014, 11:08:57 am
Yeah, you could smell the /pol/ on them from a mile away.
I get the feeling she doesn't like poles anywhere near her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 26, 2014, 08:36:59 pm
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/9920112932c903f1d9edc1cf14b0016e/tumblr_n98utluQKD1sln4rfo1_250.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 26, 2014, 09:15:42 pm
*eyes glaze over*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 26, 2014, 10:20:06 pm
Every time I feel ashamed about some of the mind-bogglingly retarded things I did as a teenager, I just have to read this thread and suddenly I feel like a prodigy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 27, 2014, 01:32:15 am
I get the feeling a lot of these people are white middle-class teenagers from First World countries.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on July 27, 2014, 02:08:10 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 27, 2014, 01:32:15 am
I get the feeling a lot of these people are white middle-class teenagers from First World countries.

Most likely.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on July 27, 2014, 11:34:18 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on July 26, 2014, 10:20:06 pm
Every time I feel ashamed about some of the mind-bogglingly retarded things I did as a teenager, I just have to read this thread and suddenly I feel like a prodigy.

At least we kept our fantasy worlds in a hidden diary.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 27, 2014, 07:24:06 pm
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What happens if a girl rapes another girl? Is it still rape?
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Depends on that girls race + sexual orientation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 27, 2014, 08:55:25 pm
.......wat?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 27, 2014, 09:31:36 pm
Is this one of those "minorities can't ever be wrong or do anything bad, ever"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 27, 2014, 10:32:01 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on July 27, 2014, 07:24:06 pm
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What happens if a girl rapes another girl? Is it still rape?
Quote
Depends on that girls race + sexual orientation.

(http://heartsfile.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/congratulations-quotes-sayings-i-hate-you.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on July 28, 2014, 08:50:40 am
(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/210590Y8oTMHp.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on July 28, 2014, 08:54:33 am
Quote from: LeTipex on July 28, 2014, 08:50:40 am
(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/210590Y8oTMHp.png)
...normally I write off the things in this thread as being merely stupid, but that's flat-out dangerous
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on July 28, 2014, 12:47:12 pm
Quote from: Randomwolf42 on July 28, 2014, 08:54:33 am
Quote from: LeTipex on July 28, 2014, 08:50:40 am
(http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/210590Y8oTMHp.png)
...normally I write off the things in this thread as being merely stupid, but that's flat-out dangerous

I think they probably meant it more as "I have ADHD/ schizophrenia/ aspergers because I desperately want to feel special I feel like it!" rather than diseases like cancer or something. I can see how someone could take it that way, though, and I still don't get why someone would want one of those things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 28, 2014, 01:47:00 pm
I think this is the natural progression of the "everything is valid" mindset of the more obnoxious of the social justice warriors. The simple fact of the matter that continues to escape these people is that some things are valid and others are not and in life you won't get a trophy just for showing up.

Feeling like you're a woman in a man's body is valid. Feeling like you have the cast of Doctor Who living in your frontal lobe is not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 28, 2014, 07:32:38 pm
Quote from: Damen on July 28, 2014, 01:47:00 pm
I think this is the natural progression of the "everything is valid" mindset of the more obnoxious of the social justice warriors. The simple fact of the matter that continues to escape these people is that some things are valid and others are not and in life you won't get a trophy just for showing up.

Feeling like you're a woman in a man's body is valid. Feeling like you have the cast of Doctor Who living in your frontal lobe is not.

Just remember, hypochondriacs think all their health concerns are 'valid', too, but we don't treat them as if they actually have the illnesses they think they do for the sole reason of "but it's real to them, and that makes it just as valid as reality!".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 28, 2014, 10:18:04 pm
Double-post for something completely different:

On a virtual pet site, someone asked about furry dragons having dreadlocks.  Cue someone piping in that it's "cultural appropriation".  When called out on their bullshit, they said they were leaving the thread because of "poor health", and directed people to their tumblr where they proceeded to dump a massive pile of shit:

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okay so first this isn’t an SJ blog so don’t expect answers from me on this sort of thing BUT BECAUSE I’M PROBABLY GOING TO GET A LOT OF HITS FROM THAT POST HERE WE Go

Disclaimer: I am white. I have and benefit from white privilege. Any answer I can give is gleaned through a lens of white privilege, and you would get a better answer from a black person on this topic. (That said don’t go up to a random black person’s blog and ask them about this, find an educational blog run by black people and they’ll probably have 500 posts on this topic already.)

Alright so. It is totally okay to be interested in other cultures, that’s fantastic and great. Eating food/listening to music/learning about fashion/etc from other cultures is healthy and an important part of de-exotifying other peoples. However, it becomes problematic when elements of other cultures are taken. When you wear clothes, borrow identities, take on fashion or otherwise appropriate from other cultures that’s seriously wrong and is actually very racist.

Read More (http://Read More)

"I'm white, but let me educate you on black culture without using any sources.  I'm not a self-righteous racist who's demanding people "stick with their own", really!"  And of course they'd retreat to tumblr where they can expect to get asspats from other "enlightened" white people.  It's especially hilarious because at one point that say "I'm not even remotely qualified to discuss this" and then continues speaking like they're an authority.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 29, 2014, 12:04:04 am
Quote
don’t expect answers from me on this sort of thing

Translation: It's bullshit, but I like to pretend it isn't bullshit and it gives me MAJOR stresses and stressful tortures when people tell me it's bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 29, 2014, 08:56:15 pm
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I just saw an entire thread about genders. Cool, be what you want. But then people were saying they identify as “pri/prin/princeself”?? And then another person said they identify as a star??? And another person said they identify as xe/xim because X’s are cool???

I IDENTIFY AS CTHU/CTHUL/CTHULHUSELF BECAUSE MOTHERFUCKING CTHULHU.

hey look, a bunch of transphobes!

nobody fucking identifies as their pronouns lol. and saying “Cool, be what you want” and then making fun of ppl is contradictory. ur basically saying “i’m not transphobic, but..”

also “#sjw”??? seriously? are u kidding me ? is respecting ppl really that hard for u ??

Nobody identifies as their pronouns.

Then why the fuck do you need special pronouns in the first place, and why is it important that I humor you with them?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on July 29, 2014, 09:40:44 pm
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I just saw an entire thread about genders. Cool, be what you want. But then people were saying they identify as “pri/prin/princeself”?? And then another person said they identify as a star??? And another person said they identify as xe/xim because X’s are cool???

I IDENTIFY AS CTHU/CTHUL/CTHULHUSELF BECAUSE MOTHERFUCKING CTHULHU.

hey look, a bunch of transphobes!

nobody fucking identifies as their pronouns lol. and saying “Cool, be what you want” and then making fun of ppl is contradictory. ur basically saying “i’m not transphobic, but..”

also “#sjw”??? seriously? are u kidding me ? is respecting ppl really that hard for u ??
I suppose if you're royalty-kin or trans-royal or- nope, nope, can't humour them, not even for two bloody seconds can I humour someone who insists on "prinself" when I can't get anyone offline to even acknowledge that I'm male, not when I've had to spend nearly seven months in the closet because otherwise I lose by job, my friends, my home, not when I strap pepper spray to my ankle every time I leave the house. Maybe when the larger, more deadly, more serious, more valid problems in society are taken care of and people really don't have anything better to do then insist the whole goddamn world play along with their stupid game of let's-pretend.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on July 29, 2014, 10:49:48 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/sjsUn6c.png)

I don't care what your gender is unless you happen to be cis and male!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 29, 2014, 11:30:56 pm
"Gender Studies major"

That explains it.  It seems people like this take one or two college courses on the subject and then act like they're enlightened experts.  They're like recently converted zealots minus religion.

Also, not every single sexual kink, quirk, and fetish you have needs its own sexuality. 

Edit:

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Doubt the anon is going to see this but whatever. People who use certain pronouns like bunself are not asking you to use animals as pronouns, its simply a gender neutral pronoun that’s a personal preference, like me asking for they/them pronouns. There is nothing wrong with it and ignoring someones preference of what they like to be addressed as is rather rude, equal to someone calling you something besides what you preferred. Also, yes, transphobe, because you’re basically saying their gender, their identity doesn’t matter a tick to you because you don’t think it exists. And no, if you don’t think a persons preferred pronouns and/or gender matter, neither does your opinion.

Except they are using animals as pronouns.  It doesn't  matter if it's for "gender neutral" purposes; they're still asking you to use animal terms as pronouns.  And yes, I have seen people on that forum legitimately say they wanted animal pronouns used because they were otherkin.  Not humoring every snowflake label someone has doesn't make you a transphobe, especially if you feel that said snowflake labels make a mockery out of real gender issues.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Mechtaur on July 30, 2014, 04:38:20 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on July 29, 2014, 10:49:48 pm
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I don't care what your gender is unless you happen to be cis and male!

"People get mad when I force my preferences on them and judgingly disrespect them! How rude!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 30, 2014, 11:40:17 pm
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pronouns are pronouns. you don’t identifiy as a set of pronouns. non binary ppl using gendered pronouns doesn’t mean that they’re no longer non-binary because they don’t identify as their pronouns. i’m agender. I use he/him/his pronouns. doesn’t make me fucking male because i don’t identify as my pronouns lol. i identify as agender and i expect ppl to respect the pronouns that make me feel the most comfortable. i’m still agender.

. . .

language is constantly changing? there’s no reason that neopronouns aren’t valid bc gender is not just male/female/non-binary? non-binary identities have been around for ages and there’s no reason to not let language evolve, and shoving all non-binary identities under one set of pronouns is laughable.

. . .

the only people i’ve seen use nounself pronouns are non-binary trans people? trying to be more comfortable when they’re not comfortable with he/she/they? sometimes they’re otherkin, but they’re always trans in that case. cis otherkin using them obviously isn’t acceptable but neopronouns/nounself pronouns have nothing to do with otherkin in the first place, they’re for non binary ppl to feel comfortable with themselves. the idea that there’s just one set of pronouns for an entire fucking range of genders is laughable at best and acting like it’s a crime to not be comfortable with pronouns “acceptable” to you is ridiculous. neopronouns =/= cis otherkin.

. . .

yes, because i’m trans, you fuck. i’m not a goddamn cis person, and I don’t use neopronouns, but it’s not hard to allow non-binary people to experiment with language and be themselves! wow! a novel concept!

for people who “don’t care about pronouns” you sure do care a whole lot when someone doesn’t fit your idea of what a trans person is.

Every quirk needs its own pronoun.  Unless you're cis.  Cis don't get individualized pronouns because you're in the binary, even if you don't like the pronouns.  Only nonbinaries get to be dissatisfied with existing pronouns, even gender-neutral ones.

It also seems that the explanation for the use of nounself pronouns keeps changing; first it was so otherkin could identify as their species, then it was something about religion, now it's "all about being a non-binary gender, and has nothing to do with actually identifying as the pronoun".  You know what it sounds like to me?  It sounds like these people are now claiming "nonbinary" because it's the most "plausible" excuse.  "Oh, I don't think I'm a transcat, I just don't fit in the gender binary, and there's a million different nonbinary genders, so 'they' just won't do at all.  I need my own pronoun that specifically fits my unique gender, or I'll get super uncomfortable.  Cat/catself please."  This ignores the fact that they could have people refer to them in the third person, which some languages do, instead of assigning a unique label to their unique "gender".

I'm also starting to hate "language is constantly evolving!" because it seems like it's used more to excuse pulling random shit out of your ass and calling it 'valid' instead of the natural progression of language.  I don't think Frindle was meant to be taken as nonfiction.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 31, 2014, 12:46:53 am
http://mogai-archive.tumblr.com

Радовайся
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 31, 2014, 05:31:11 am
do people actually seriously use "neopronouns" irl? i'd be fine with a neutral "they" (although "zie/zir" still bugs me from a tonal perspective), but i can't imagine anything but the biggest, most circle-jerking dorks using those in public...

(kitchen-sink-agender) tumblrina 1:"did little starshine do well on star test, yesterday? well, did star?"

(trans-planta agender) tumblrina 2: "what the frog are you talking about?"

(frogkin) tumblrina 3:"i didn't say anything!!"

at least that's more and more what this thread looks like. am i a bad person for pointing out how complex this gets? but, yeah iosa, i'm totally ok with your post. i smell backpedalling full-tilt
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 31, 2014, 01:58:53 pm
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hey stop calling that character your “waifu” its basically raping fictionkin who identify as that character because no one consented to it thanks
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on July 31, 2014, 05:16:58 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on July 31, 2014, 01:58:53 pm
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hey stop calling that character your “waifu” its basically raping fictionkin who identify as that character because no one consented to it thanks

Oh, if I ever needed a reason to call someone my waifu...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 31, 2014, 10:03:56 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on July 31, 2014, 01:58:53 pm
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hey stop calling that character your “waifu” its basically raping fictionkin who identify as that character because no one consented to it thanks

70/30 on troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 01, 2014, 12:09:09 am
Dammit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Mechtaur on August 01, 2014, 05:30:59 am
Quote from: I am lizard on July 31, 2014, 01:58:53 pm
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hey stop calling that character your “waifu” its basically raping fictionkin who identify as that character because no one consented to it thanks

Maximum overtroll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 01, 2014, 02:12:33 pm
Quote from: Mechtaur on August 01, 2014, 05:30:59 am
Quote from: I am lizard on July 31, 2014, 01:58:53 pm
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hey stop calling that character your “waifu” its basically raping fictionkin who identify as that character because no one consented to it thanks

Maximum overtroll.
That has already been pointed out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Mechtaur on August 01, 2014, 04:04:09 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on August 01, 2014, 02:12:33 pm
Quote from: Mechtaur on August 01, 2014, 05:30:59 am
Quote from: I am lizard on July 31, 2014, 01:58:53 pm
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hey stop calling that character your “waifu” its basically raping fictionkin who identify as that character because no one consented to it thanks

Maximum overtroll.
That has already been pointed out.
I don't see the point in you saying this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 01, 2014, 05:22:25 pm
Spoiler because it's huge:
(click to show/hide)

I'm pretty certain rape is forcing someone to have sex with you. Being humiliated and being raped are not even remotely the same thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 01, 2014, 07:12:49 pm
Technically it can also be having sex with someone drunk or underage, but that's besides the point.
According to this tweet it is justified for me to say someone raped me in CoD.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 02, 2014, 11:08:13 am
Quote from: I am lizard on August 01, 2014, 07:12:49 pm
According to this tweet it is justified for me to say someone raped me in CoD.

Nah, you're a man.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 02, 2014, 01:06:54 pm
Totally autistic people who are not just nerotips trying to make themselves feel speshul defend self diagnosis:http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk (http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on August 02, 2014, 01:39:32 pm
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self dx [self-diagnosis] is not "immature", being black is not "immature".

Comparing the two certainly is...

Especially when race wasn't brought up in the first place.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on August 02, 2014, 03:22:00 pm
(http://womenagainstfeminism.tumblr.com/image/93452677785)

I'm pretty sure you joined the army of your own free will, not because "Feminism" forced you to.

Source. Women Against Feminism
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 02, 2014, 03:48:04 pm
Quote from: Beezlebub on August 02, 2014, 03:22:00 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/38e67385572cb38e4d5eb6368ce00a33/tumblr_n9ls271Qom1syitgfo1_1280.jpg)

I'm pretty sure you joined the army of your own free will, not because "Feminism" forced you to.

Source. Women Against Feminism

Fix'd.

Geez... "I hate x because I love this good thing" is one of the oldest propaganda tricks in the book.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on August 02, 2014, 05:15:06 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on August 02, 2014, 01:06:54 pm
Totally autistic people who are not just nerotips trying to make themselves feel speshul defend self diagnosis:http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk (http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk)

The self dx tag is absolutely full of posts exactly like this.  There's nothing wrong with feeling you might have something, or conclude that you most likely have something, but stating it to other people as a fact before you're formally diagnosed is just reckless.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 04, 2014, 01:49:22 pm
I'm coughing, so I must have the Black Death.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 04, 2014, 01:55:45 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 04, 2014, 01:49:22 pm
I'm coughing, so I must have the Black Death.

Omg u are sooooo lacing in privleg right nao.

i wil tel ppl 2 not 2 jok bot teh playg nao.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 04, 2014, 01:57:14 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 04, 2014, 01:49:22 pm
I'm coughing, so I must have the Black Death.
And I have a headache, which I can only assume is being caused by AIDS.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 04, 2014, 01:58:14 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 04, 2014, 01:55:45 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 04, 2014, 01:49:22 pm
I'm coughing, so I must have the Black Death.

Omg u are sooooo lacing in privleg right nao.

i wil tel ppl 2 not 2 jok bot teh playg nao.

Hey, if I survive it, maybe I'll end up as some sort of memetic badass.  So long as I don't lose my mind like Emperor Justinian did when he survived it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 04, 2014, 02:39:37 pm
Saw a weird mole on my back.

I'll be starting chemo shortly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on August 04, 2014, 02:55:29 pm
I didn't have a period last month. I must be pregnant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 04, 2014, 06:09:18 pm
My ex was the king of self-diagnosis. He diagnosed himself with everything from bipolar disorder to shingles (because of mood swings and a few bug bites, respectively), but his magnum opus was the few days he spent convinced that he had scurvy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 04, 2014, 10:33:36 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 04, 2014, 06:09:18 pm
My ex was the king of self-diagnosis. He diagnosed himself with everything from bipolar disorder to shingles (because of mood swings and a few bug bites, respectively), but his magnum opus was the few days he spent convinced that he had scurvy.
"I'd don't care how sick you think you are, I will not by you a beg leg!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on August 04, 2014, 11:17:41 pm
Quote from: The Right Honourable Mlle Antéchrist on August 04, 2014, 06:09:18 pm
My ex was the king of self-diagnosis. He diagnosed himself with everything from bipolar disorder to shingles (because of mood swings and a few bug bites, respectively), but his magnum opus was the few days he spent convinced that he had scurvy.

Did you put some lime in his coconut for him and tell him to call the Doctor in the morning?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 05, 2014, 12:34:00 am
Quote from: I am lizard on August 02, 2014, 01:06:54 pm
Totally autistic people who are not just nerotips trying to make themselves feel speshul defend self diagnosis:http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk (http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk)

Self diagnosis is not only incredibly lazy but it's also a slap in the face to the people who spent time and money getting a proper diagnosis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 08, 2014, 12:38:08 am
Blah blah blah trans women are rapists

http://secondstringheroine.tumblr.com/post/94128966796/i-swear-this-is-not-sarcastic-but-do-you-see-laverne (http://secondstringheroine.tumblr.com/post/94128966796/i-swear-this-is-not-sarcastic-but-do-you-see-laverne)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on August 08, 2014, 02:12:05 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 05, 2014, 12:34:00 am
Quote from: I am lizard on August 02, 2014, 01:06:54 pm
Totally autistic people who are not just nerotips trying to make themselves feel speshul defend self diagnosis:http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk (http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk)

Self diagnosis is not only incredibly lazy but it's also a slap in the face to the people who spent time and money getting a proper diagnosis.
This, so much. I was diagnosed with Asperger's when I was six, and anxiety disorder when I was 20. nowadays I'm a bit reluctant to mention my condition, because so many people online use Asperger's as an excuse for being an asshole. I had to train myself for years to look people in the eye, and they run around using it to be jerks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on August 08, 2014, 03:02:18 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on August 08, 2014, 02:12:05 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 05, 2014, 12:34:00 am
Quote from: I am lizard on August 02, 2014, 01:06:54 pm
Totally autistic people who are not just nerotips trying to make themselves feel speshul defend self diagnosis:http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk (http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk)

Self diagnosis is not only incredibly lazy but it's also a slap in the face to the people who spent time and money getting a proper diagnosis.
This, so much. I was diagnosed with Asperger's when I was six, and anxiety disorder when I was 20. nowadays I'm a bit reluctant to mention my condition, because so many people online use Asperger's as an excuse for being an asshole. I had to train myself for years to look people in the eye, and they run around using it to be jerks.

I think tumblr has a real problem with implicitly trusting any sort of claim without any sort of proof, due to how much they emphasis the "your mind makes it real" belief.  They're so obsessed with "safe spaces" and "comfort zones" and "non-oppression" that they've implemented a system of "always take somebody's word for it because they know themselves better than anyone".  If you don't automatically believe every single claim even if there's proof, you're labeled a "bully", "policer", "ableist", "classist", etc.  And I think it's getting to a point where these people believe they don't need to prove anything to anyone, and that their word should be good enough. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on August 08, 2014, 04:48:45 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on August 08, 2014, 02:12:05 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 05, 2014, 12:34:00 am
Quote from: I am lizard on August 02, 2014, 01:06:54 pm
Totally autistic people who are not just nerotips trying to make themselves feel speshul defend self diagnosis:http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk (http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk)

Self diagnosis is not only incredibly lazy but it's also a slap in the face to the people who spent time and money getting a proper diagnosis.
This, so much. I was diagnosed with Asperger's when I was six, and anxiety disorder when I was 20. nowadays I'm a bit reluctant to mention my condition, because so many people online use Asperger's as an excuse for being an asshole. I had to train myself for years to look people in the eye, and they run around using it to be jerks.
Same here (minus the anxietey bit), except I was 17, and mine shows up more as saying exactly the wrong thing than an inability to look people in the eyes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 08, 2014, 09:14:34 am
Quote from: Svata on August 08, 2014, 04:48:45 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on August 08, 2014, 02:12:05 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 05, 2014, 12:34:00 am
Quote from: I am lizard on August 02, 2014, 01:06:54 pm
Totally autistic people who are not just nerotips trying to make themselves feel speshul defend self diagnosis:http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk (http://rosemary-the-skunk.tumblr.com/post/93569983487/autisticfandomthings-rosemary-the-skunk)

Self diagnosis is not only incredibly lazy but it's also a slap in the face to the people who spent time and money getting a proper diagnosis.
This, so much. I was diagnosed with Asperger's when I was six, and anxiety disorder when I was 20. nowadays I'm a bit reluctant to mention my condition, because so many people online use Asperger's as an excuse for being an asshole. I had to train myself for years to look people in the eye, and they run around using it to be jerks.
Same here (minus the anxietey bit), except I was 17, and mine shows up more as saying exactly the wrong thing than an inability to look people in the eyes.

despite my faulty brain cabling, i thought i only had hallucinations and depression. both unrelated. then someone i knew told me i might be aspie. then an aspie friend told me he thought i was aspie. then my lady told me she thought i was aspie, that it was annoying but endearing the way i don't look in the eyes and get very socially awkward very fast (paradoxical for a musician).

... i really don't want to find out for sure because of the shit tumblr does to you. would i care if i was aspie? not much. but being diagnosed aspie would lump me in with all the tmblrina douchecanoes that make life hard for iosa and svata, and i don't want that. it's not my battle.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 08, 2014, 02:43:55 pm
Whoa whoa whoa, why would you think getting diagnosed would lump you in with them?

Unless you meant self-diagnosed, but even then, there are self-diagnosed people who don't shout it from the rooftops or even claim that they have it with certainty.  (They are really rare, though, and it's still not a good thing to self-diagnose)

But if you were to get officially diagnosed, well, I don't think anyone would accuse you of being a tumblrina.  Unless they were stupid edgy types who believe psychology is a shame.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on August 08, 2014, 05:48:23 pm
. . . I don't have any kind of autism.  I just hate the "we don't need proof of anything" attitude.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 08, 2014, 09:27:56 pm
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okayyy can everybody stop talking shit about ppl who give their dogs and cats all-vegan diets, i fed my cat all raw vegan food since he was a kitten and he lived a very happy four years :)
This is probably trolling.
Hopefully trolling.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Mechtaur on August 08, 2014, 09:52:41 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on August 08, 2014, 09:27:56 pm
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okayyy can everybody stop talking shit about ppl who give their dogs and cats all-vegan diets, i fed my cat all raw vegan food since he was a kitten and he lived a very happy four years :)
This is probably trolling.
Hopefully trolling.

I... I can't. Just how can someone be this stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 08, 2014, 10:06:49 pm
I know someone who's feeding their dog a vegan diet.  Yes, I wish to strike her for it.  Hard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2014, 10:15:11 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 08, 2014, 10:06:49 pm
I know someone who's feeding their dog a vegan diet.  Yes, I wish to strike her for it.  Hard.
Report her to somebody.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 08, 2014, 10:24:21 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on August 08, 2014, 09:27:56 pm
Quote
okayyy can everybody stop talking shit about ppl who give their dogs and cats all-vegan diets, i fed my cat all raw vegan food since he was a kitten and he lived a very happy four years :)
This is probably trolling.
Hopefully trolling.

Urg...to murder.....rising.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on August 09, 2014, 12:35:13 am
Quote from: I am lizard on August 08, 2014, 09:27:56 pm
Quote
okayyy can everybody stop talking shit about ppl who give their dogs and cats all-vegan diets, i fed my cat all raw vegan food since he was a kitten and he lived a very happy four years :)
This is probably trolling.
Hopefully trolling.

I sincerely hope that as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 09, 2014, 01:10:50 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/f61518e5cf8d7ed4d4e948ccf32347eb/tumblr_n9adgq3SEh1ryeto5o1_400.png)

AKA: The most special of all the special snowflakes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on August 09, 2014, 02:19:56 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 09, 2014, 01:10:50 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/f61518e5cf8d7ed4d4e948ccf32347eb/tumblr_n9adgq3SEh1ryeto5o1_400.png)

AKA: The most special of all the special snowflakes.

No, dumbass, that's called a personality not a gender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on August 17, 2014, 02:15:31 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/3b1aa7bbcd364c8d03d21327b4aa0f0f/tumblr_n9y4ow4Sjs1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 17, 2014, 08:33:39 am
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cops getting beat (✿◠‿◠)
cops getting set on fire (◕‿◕✿)
cops dying (≧ω≦)
Quote
I hope this is a joke.
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no its really not
police constantly abuse and murder poc and queer people so
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ignoring the fact that theres poc and queer police officers out there??? nice
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Otherwise known as "traitors"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 17, 2014, 11:33:06 am
Quote from: Damen on August 17, 2014, 02:15:31 am
(http://37.media.tumblr.com/3b1aa7bbcd364c8d03d21327b4aa0f0f/tumblr_n9y4ow4Sjs1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Cannibalkin? "fictives"? So they know they're all bull yet keep up the pretense? What? Also, shouldn't that person call itself "vore"? "tagged: meat recipes"??

Oh, by the way, there's a reason cannibals are shunned: the shakes. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)) Most people forced to do it would indulge in cannibalism if there were no repercussions (and if sufficiently hungry). The real kicker is that it kills us to do it.

edit: forgot the caps again.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 21, 2014, 02:26:01 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/ri8e8j.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 25, 2014, 06:07:55 pm
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/802/975/146.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 25, 2014, 06:11:37 pm
^ No, its not, and you are stupid, random internet goer whose name I wish was not blacked out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 25, 2014, 10:25:30 pm
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I wish public restrooms had litter boxes for catkin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on August 25, 2014, 10:52:28 pm
*Sees all this*


...  Wat?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 26, 2014, 12:03:55 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 25, 2014, 06:07:55 pm
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/802/975/146.png)
...Well, to be honest how many people go around calling women "females?"

Like, "Excuse me female I'd like to have another cup of coffee?" Or something like that.

But if that was a complaint over considering women to be female then that is just weird. Perhaps ASSUMING that everyone who looks like a woman is a cis-woman could also lead to a mistake but again, that is not what she(?) said.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 26, 2014, 12:04:43 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ShmmbaS.png)

I don't get it. The hypothetical man was agreeing with her. What the fuck does she need feminism for exactly?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 26, 2014, 12:15:33 am
Getting her feelings hurt. MAH FEELZ STAHP U MISOGYNIST FEELZ MORE IMPORTANT THAN FACTS!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on August 26, 2014, 01:28:11 am
Looks like she made a STRAW MAN.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 26, 2014, 01:37:26 am
.....so you want help and you want allies but you don't want it from the very people you claim are victimizing you.

Ironbite-you got problems.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 26, 2014, 05:31:11 am
Well, it would seem that "prostitute of colour" is now a thing, thanks to Anita Sarkeesian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 26, 2014, 08:58:22 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on August 26, 2014, 05:31:11 am
Well, it would seem that "prostitute of colour" is now a thing, thanks to Anita Sarkeesian.

Please tell me she's taking the piss.  Because that's the most patently ridiculous term for a person I've ever fucking heard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 26, 2014, 09:56:14 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 26, 2014, 08:58:22 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on August 26, 2014, 05:31:11 am
Well, it would seem that "prostitute of colour" is now a thing, thanks to Anita Sarkeesian.

Please tell me she's taking the piss.  Because that's the most patently ridiculous term for a person I've ever fucking heard.

I could, but I'd be lying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 26, 2014, 11:09:52 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on August 26, 2014, 09:56:14 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 26, 2014, 08:58:22 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on August 26, 2014, 05:31:11 am
Well, it would seem that "prostitute of colour" is now a thing, thanks to Anita Sarkeesian.

Please tell me she's taking the piss.  Because that's the most patently ridiculous term for a person I've ever fucking heard.

I could, but I'd be lying.

(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/RH-00/i-got-nothin.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 26, 2014, 01:46:50 pm
Time to whip this out again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkIZR-CE3iY
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on August 26, 2014, 02:01:38 pm
Can someone provide context as to where this term "prostitute of colour" came from?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 26, 2014, 02:05:00 pm
Probably from Grand Theft Auto.  Thinking on it, I don't really recall any prostitute models in any of the games being anything other than white.  You'd think a mothafucka would take that as a damned compliment and not bitch, but people love to complain.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 26, 2014, 02:34:20 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 26, 2014, 02:05:00 pm
Probably from Grand Theft Auto.  Thinking on it, I don't really recall any prostitute models in any of the games being anything other than white.  You'd think a mothafucka would take that as a damned compliment and not bitch, but people love to complain.
There is honestly quite a lot of legitimate bullshit in the game to complain about.

For the most part I like Anita's commentaries, even if she says dumb shit like that fairly often.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 26, 2014, 05:37:24 pm
What I find more hilarious is that Anita sucks as an arguer, and yet her detractors are probably the best argument in favor of feminism because of their sheer massive amounts of abuse proving Anita right better than SHE can.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 26, 2014, 09:28:16 pm
Quote from: askold on August 26, 2014, 12:03:55 am
...Well, to be honest how many people go around calling women "females?"

Like, "Excuse me female I'd like to have another cup of coffee?" Or something like that.

Not quite like that, but MRAs and their ilk have been known for using the term "females" instead of "women". Like "Things Females Seem To Not Understand" and such. It's kind of weird.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 26, 2014, 09:57:13 pm
I actually have a genderfluid friend who specifically asks that people use "man" and "woman" to refer to gender and "male" and "female" to refer to sex. So a trans-man would still be a biological female and it would be fine to refer to him as such, as his biology is still that of a female human. But you'd call him a man.

This also helps for non-binary people who don't feel any attachment to being a man OR a woman.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 26, 2014, 11:05:31 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 26, 2014, 09:57:13 pm
I actually have a genderfluid friend who specifically asks that people use "man" and "woman" to refer to gender and "male" and "female" to refer to sex. So a trans-man would still be a biological female and it would be fine to refer to him as such, as his biology is still that of a female human. But you'd call him a man.

This also helps for non-binary people who don't feel any attachment to being a man OR a woman.

After reading your post 3 times, I've still got trouble getting what you're saying. I'm a cisgendered male. Does that make me a man as my gender and male as my sex? Honestly, I find that a bit callous towards transpeople even though, granted, I don't know many but the few I know would take it badly if I referred to them by their birth gender. But please, explain because I feel I've misinterpreted something and I'm genuinely curious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 26, 2014, 11:48:00 pm
Quote from: Guizonde on August 26, 2014, 11:05:31 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on August 26, 2014, 09:57:13 pm
I actually have a genderfluid friend who specifically asks that people use "man" and "woman" to refer to gender and "male" and "female" to refer to sex. So a trans-man would still be a biological female and it would be fine to refer to him as such, as his biology is still that of a female human. But you'd call him a man.

This also helps for non-binary people who don't feel any attachment to being a man OR a woman.

After reading your post 3 times, I've still got trouble getting what you're saying. I'm a cisgendered male. Does that make me a man as my gender and male as my sex? Honestly, I find that a bit callous towards transpeople even though, granted, I don't know many but the few I know would take it badly if I referred to them by their birth gender. But please, explain because I feel I've misinterpreted something and I'm genuinely curious.

Yeah, you're a man and a male. Gender and sex are entirely different things; someone who is a trans man is likely to still be biologically female, which is extremely important for considerations like medical emergencies. Referring to a transsexual person as their desired gender doesn't change their biological sex, and even in 2014 we don't have the ability to 100% change biological sex from one binary to another.

It also allows for clarification regarding, say, sexual attraction. I'm predominately attracted to females. Not simply "women", but also females who don't necessarily identify as a girl.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 27, 2014, 02:15:22 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 26, 2014, 02:05:00 pm
Probably from Grand Theft Auto.  Thinking on it, I don't really recall any prostitute models in any of the games being anything other than white.  You'd think a mothafucka would take that as a damned compliment and not bitch, but people love to complain.

Liberty city stories has some non-white prostitutes if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 27, 2014, 10:32:17 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 27, 2014, 02:15:22 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 26, 2014, 02:05:00 pm
Probably from Grand Theft Auto.  Thinking on it, I don't really recall any prostitute models in any of the games being anything other than white.  You'd think a mothafucka would take that as a damned compliment and not bitch, but people love to complain.

Liberty city stories has some non-white prostitutes if I recall correctly.

I've not played any of the side games, just the main line.  Well, except GTA II.  I should get around to fixing that, some day.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on August 27, 2014, 10:37:14 am
I can confirm that all of the games have prostitutes of multiple ethnicities.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on August 27, 2014, 07:35:05 pm
Pharyngula commenters predictably getting butthurt about "butthurt".

(click to show/hide)

They hardly even pretend the alleged definition is recognized by anyone else. Pharyngula commenters may be entitled to their own opinions, but they think they can project their own definitions too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 27, 2014, 07:49:18 pm
 I notice who started that shit storm.

Ironbite-god damn it Ironchew
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 27, 2014, 08:11:40 pm
I'm actually on Chew's side here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 27, 2014, 08:12:37 pm
I'm kinda am but...he did start that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 27, 2014, 08:52:17 pm
I admit, were I the one who started it, I would've used it fifteen times in my next post, JUST to spite the people who said "please don't use that word".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 27, 2014, 10:07:09 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on August 27, 2014, 08:52:17 pm
I admit, were I the one who started it, I would've used it fifteen times in my next post, JUST to spite the people who said "please don't use that word".

Does this mean that pharyngula sat on a bear trap over the word "butthurt"?

[/CWIDT?]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on August 27, 2014, 11:12:34 pm
I like how one person's argument is just "No, you're wrong because we've decided you're wrong, so acquiesce immediately and get over it.".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on August 28, 2014, 06:48:49 am
Now I'm reminded of the 'Vivian James' thing, where /v/ decided their charity donation would be to a colon cancer charity to 'chemo butthurt'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 28, 2014, 06:50:42 am
Quote from: Ironchew on August 27, 2014, 07:35:05 pm
Pharyngula commenters predictably getting butthurt about "butthurt".

(click to show/hide)

They hardly even pretend the alleged definition is recognized by anyone else. Pharyngula commenters may be entitled to their own opinions, but they think they can project their own definitions too.

Aah, the best part is I doubt this troll was on purpose.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 28, 2014, 07:31:50 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 26, 2014, 02:05:00 pm
Probably from Grand Theft Auto.  Thinking on it, I don't really recall any prostitute models in any of the games being anything other than white.  You'd think a mothafucka would take that as a damned compliment and not bitch, but people love to complain.
Actually, it was from Far Cry 3.
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 26, 2014, 05:37:24 pm
What I find more hilarious is that Anita sucks as an arguer, and yet her detractors are probably the best argument in favor of feminism because of their sheer massive amounts of abuse proving Anita right better than SHE can.
I really did want to like her for that reason, and her first couple of videos were decent enough for what they were. It's just a massive shame that she's gone on to not only jump the shark over and over again, but also turn out to have been stealing gameplay footage from other Let's Plays. It goes to show that a good or at least halfway competent analysis of sexism in games is not only sorely needed, but also that Anita is most certainly not the person for the job.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on August 28, 2014, 11:31:32 am
Quote from: niam2023 on August 27, 2014, 08:52:17 pm
I admit, were I the one who started it, I would've used it fifteen times in my next post, JUST to spite the people who said "please don't use that word".

Butthurt butthurt butthurt butthurt butthurt butthurt butthurt butthurt butthurt butthurt butthurt butthurt butthurt butthurt butthurt.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on August 28, 2014, 06:51:04 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on August 28, 2014, 07:31:50 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 26, 2014, 02:05:00 pm
Probably from Grand Theft Auto.  Thinking on it, I don't really recall any prostitute models in any of the games being anything other than white.  You'd think a mothafucka would take that as a damned compliment and not bitch, but people love to complain.
Actually, it was from Far Cry 3.
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 26, 2014, 05:37:24 pm
What I find more hilarious is that Anita sucks as an arguer, and yet her detractors are probably the best argument in favor of feminism because of their sheer massive amounts of abuse proving Anita right better than SHE can.
I really did want to like her for that reason, and her first couple of videos were decent enough for what they were. It's just a massive shame that she's gone on to not only jump the shark over and over again, but also turn out to have been stealing gameplay footage from other Let's Plays. It goes to show that a good or at least halfway competent analysis of sexism in games is not only sorely needed, but also that Anita is most certainly not the person for the job.

I don't seem to recall any prostitutes in Farcry 3. How did prostitution come up with regard to the game? Was it because the pirates were doing human trafficking?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 28, 2014, 09:43:06 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on August 28, 2014, 06:51:04 pm
I don't seem to recall any prostitutes in Farcry 3. How did prostitution come up with regard to the game? Was it because the pirates were doing human trafficking?
It was a clip of a pimp smacking a prostitute (of colour, naturally) for not making enough money. I haven't played Far Cry 3 myself, so that's about all I can tell you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 28, 2014, 10:58:13 pm
....Far Cry 3 doesn't even have hookers.

Ironbite-I mean....OH RIGHT!  THAT ONE SCENE!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on August 29, 2014, 08:36:27 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/819/509/007.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 29, 2014, 08:53:11 pm
^^And this is why we can't have nice things. This is mysogynist bait. When neither party wants to open up frank discussion it obviously escalates into full-blown conflict over nothing... I'm not saying the guy is right and that the girl is wrong, but the mocking tone is insulting, meaning that mysogynists will use that as an argument, and that the girls will say that men are oppressing them, and then the guys will say that women cry out for no goddamn reason, and ... You get the idea. I feel like this entire war of the sexes came about due to flame wars over nothing. Except now, we've got 12 year old boys who read stuff on the internet and think it's totally ok to treat women in the worst ways possible. And this is where I've got a problem. It's NOT ok to treat anyone like dirt due to their gender, girls, boys, or anyone between. Methinks there's some serious reeducation to do, and quickly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 29, 2014, 10:58:44 pm
I want to smack everyone involved in that stupid argument.

Pretentious bullshit on one side, blatant baiting on the other.

Though I can't say the baiter was wrong to have pointed out that supporting both of those women would get her gendered insults.  ... But being right doesn't mean you're in the right.  If that makes sense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 29, 2014, 11:44:32 pm
As far as I see, Novestador seemed to want a discussion and did not recognise that the original comment was a joke/troll. Perhaps he would have turned out to be a fedorasshole if the discussion had continued somewhere but the way that played out the ladies were the ones who ended up looking bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 29, 2014, 11:44:45 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 29, 2014, 10:58:44 pm
I want to smack everyone involved in that stupid argument.

Pretentious bullshit on one side, blatant baiting on the other.

Though I can't say the baiter was wrong to have pointed out that supporting both of those women would get her gendered insults.  ... But being right doesn't mean you're in the right.  If that makes sense.

I believe the turn of phrase you're looking for is this:
 (http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/78/78be62f68a84116500dd40052c820fbed5ab2831658d6cd3c0836c110d35a88c.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 30, 2014, 12:39:03 am
Quote from: Guizonde on August 29, 2014, 11:44:45 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 29, 2014, 10:58:44 pm
I want to smack everyone involved in that stupid argument.

Pretentious bullshit on one side, blatant baiting on the other.

Though I can't say the baiter was wrong to have pointed out that supporting both of those women would get her gendered insults.  ... But being right doesn't mean you're in the right.  If that makes sense.

I believe the turn of phrase you're looking for is this:
 (http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/78/78be62f68a84116500dd40052c820fbed5ab2831658d6cd3c0836c110d35a88c.jpg)

Ah, thank you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 30, 2014, 02:40:25 pm
Quote from: askold on August 29, 2014, 11:44:32 pm
As far as I see, Novestador seemed to want a discussion and did not recognise that the original comment was a joke/troll. Perhaps he would have turned out to be a fedorasshole if the discussion had continued somewhere but the way that played out the ladies were the ones who ended up looking bad.

Here's the thing. By now, the cliche in the SJW community is of the fedora'd gentleman who talks fancy about how he's perfectly rational and objective and everyone else is an emotional idiot... and then proceeds to make incredibly stupid arguments that completely ignore reason and/or reality. It's a stereotype, but it does happen to some extent.

And it's an incredibly destructive meme. If your side automatically pattern-matches "person who talks about a reasonable discussion" to "complete idiot who has nothing useful to say and shall be mocked", then you've more or less made actual reasonable discussion impossible. And of course they have all the auxiliary memes about how you don't need a reasonable discussion about these things because racism/sexism/etc. are obviously wrong* so what do we even have to talk about?

And then on the other side you have people looking at the SJWs and saying "man, these guys are completely against rational debate, what idiots" and so on and so forth.


*Which they are. But "racism is wrong" is only the first part of the SJW creed, and what people want to discuss is all the other, less obvious parts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 30, 2014, 10:13:27 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/cXlw1Ik.jpg)

HOW DARE YOU OPPRESS ME WITH YOUR FUNNEL CAKES SHITLORD!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on August 30, 2014, 10:21:45 pm
Quote
Roaming through the streets, I seriously see the worst in humanity.

Well, that explains a lot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 30, 2014, 10:41:31 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on August 30, 2014, 10:21:45 pm
Quote
Roaming through the streets, I seriously see the worst in humanity.

Well, that explains a lot.

Huh, and I thought that was what the internet was for! Silly me!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on August 31, 2014, 01:51:22 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on August 31, 2014, 02:00:33 pm
... that makes absolutely zero sense.  She's literally getting involved to try and piss gamers off with... feminism? huh?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on August 31, 2014, 02:18:00 pm
Part of me wonders if that was sarcastic, but even if it was, I have a hard time telling which parts are sarcastic and which parts aren't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 31, 2014, 02:30:11 pm
Seriously bitch, is "nerd" supposed to hurt peoples feelings?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 31, 2014, 03:25:25 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on August 31, 2014, 02:00:33 pm
... that makes absolutely zero sense.  She's literally getting involved to try and piss gamers off with... feminism? huh?

It's a joke. She's making fun of the specific segment of gamer culture who accuses feminists of actively trying to ruin games.

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on August 31, 2014, 02:18:00 pm
Part of me wonders if that was sarcastic, but even if it was, I have a hard time telling which parts are sarcastic and which parts aren't.

Both the "videogames are for losers" and "ruin things for you specifically" tweets were jokes. (I'm not just guessing, I checked her twitter feed and she says so specifically, plus it's obvious from context)

I suspect a recalibration of sarcasm detectors is in order.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 31, 2014, 06:25:58 pm
Its a really poor attempt at humour.  The "loser gamer" thing has been overplayed since the early 90s, at the latest.  She could at least bother trying with her jokes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 31, 2014, 06:27:41 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 31, 2014, 06:25:58 pm
Its a really poor attempt at humour.  The "loser gamer" thing has been overplayed since the early 90s, at the latest.
Early 90's? I could swear it's been a thing since the pre-8-bit days of the late 70's/early 80's.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 31, 2014, 06:29:22 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on August 31, 2014, 06:27:41 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on August 31, 2014, 06:25:58 pm
Its a really poor attempt at humour.  The "loser gamer" thing has been overplayed since the early 90s, at the latest.
Early 90's? I could swear it's been a thing since the pre-8-bit days of the late 70's/early 80's.

Oh, easily, I'm simply saying that its been overused since the early 90s.  Probably more accurate to say the 80s.  Or about five minutes after the first joke of that variety was told.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 31, 2014, 06:46:15 pm
(https://forum.encyclopediadramatica.es/attachments/1409516437457-png.47336/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on August 31, 2014, 07:30:06 pm
Tell that to my sisters.  And cousins.  And a large chunk of my friends.  Sheesh... some people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 31, 2014, 07:52:46 pm
Yes, how dare they "Support the video games". I'll bet they inject the pot while surfing the Youtubes all day as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on August 31, 2014, 08:50:04 pm
...I'm not sure what to say first, the comparing women who play video games to House Slaves or the fact that she used the fucking term "House Nigger" fuck I feel dirty typing that, and I'm black.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on August 31, 2014, 08:56:47 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on August 31, 2014, 07:52:46 pm
Yes, how dare they "Support the video games". I'll bet they inject the pot while surfing the Youtubes all day as well.
And dey eat da poo poo?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 31, 2014, 09:44:43 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on August 31, 2014, 08:56:47 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on August 31, 2014, 07:52:46 pm
Yes, how dare they "Support the video games". I'll bet they inject the pot while surfing the Youtubes all day as well.
And dey eat da poo poo?

That's not nearly as bad as what they get up to at them talky pictures.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 31, 2014, 10:21:37 pm
House slaves were still faced long hours, beatings, had there children sold off (or were never allowed to have any), and in some cases were killed by their masters.  So it's not like they had an easy life. 

But out of curiosity I looked up this person's twitter and, judging by their responses, I'm going to say they're a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 01, 2014, 12:14:44 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 31, 2014, 10:21:37 pm
House slaves were still faced long hours, beatings, had there children sold off (or were never allowed to have any), and in some cases were killed by their masters.  So it's not like they had an easy life. 

But out of curiosity I looked up this person's twitter and, judging by their responses, I'm going to say they're a troll.
Yeah, they seem to have 4chan tr011 written all over them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 01, 2014, 08:30:12 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on August 31, 2014, 10:21:37 pm
House slaves were still faced long hours, beatings, had there children sold off (or were never allowed to have any), and in some cases were killed by their masters.  So it's not like they had an easy life. 

But out of curiosity I looked up this person's twitter and, judging by their responses, I'm going to say they're a troll.
And I read somewhere that they were more likely to be raped.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 01, 2014, 08:19:26 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/812/904/e25.jpg)

Double Standard Level: Maximum Bigot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 01, 2014, 08:36:06 pm
A post so edgy you could cut a steak with it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 01, 2014, 09:05:10 pm
I can't tell what is and is not trolling anymore.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 01, 2014, 09:14:16 pm
I suspect this stems from the Nicki Minaj song "Lookin' Ass" where there's a verse about, basically, raping people. Or so I hear; I don't listen to her music so I wouldn't know much beyond what is being said on the intertubes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 01, 2014, 09:17:59 pm
Quote from: Damen on September 01, 2014, 09:14:16 pm
I suspect this stems from the Nicki Minaj song "Lookin' Ass" where there's a verse about, basically, raping people. Or so I hear; I don't listen to her music so I wouldn't know much beyond what is being said on the intertubes.
I haven't heard about the verse myself, so it might be fake.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 01, 2014, 09:27:18 pm
Pretty sure it's hyperbole but the verse would be:

http://www.metrolyrics.com/lookin-ass-nigga-lyrics-nicki-minaj.html (http://www.metrolyrics.com/lookin-ass-nigga-lyrics-nicki-minaj.html)
Quote
I don't want sex, give a fuck about your ex
I don't even want a text from y'all niggas
I'm rapin' you niggas
Look at this pic, look what the fuck I gave to you niggas

Nevertheless, I find people who advocate rape to be detestable regardless of the positions of the genders involved.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 01, 2014, 09:33:22 pm
Quote from: Damen on September 01, 2014, 09:27:18 pm
Pretty sure it's hyperbole but the verse would be:

http://www.metrolyrics.com/lookin-ass-nigga-lyrics-nicki-minaj.html (http://www.metrolyrics.com/lookin-ass-nigga-lyrics-nicki-minaj.html)
Quote
I don't want sex, give a fuck about your ex
I don't even want a text from y'all niggas
I'm rapin' you niggas
Look at this pic, look what the fuck I gave to you niggas

Nevertheless, I find people who advocate rape to be detestable regardless of the positions of the genders involved.
Ew.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 01, 2014, 10:17:15 pm
"It's very difficult for woman to hurt men."

This is so wrong that not even Poe's Law can prevent me from facepalming.

A kick between the legs.

A heavy object (cliche'd example: frying pan) to the head.

A good punch just below the sternum.

A good punch.

A punch, period.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 01, 2014, 10:47:13 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 01, 2014, 10:17:15 pm
"It's very difficult for woman to hurt men."

This is so wrong that not even Poe's Law can prevent me from facepalming.

A kick between the legs.

A heavy object (cliche'd example: frying pan) to the head.

A good punch just below the sternum.

A good punch.

A punch, period.

Even disregarding all that, we invented ranged weaponry (spears, slings, bows and arrows, etc.) several thousand years ago. When ranged weapons have the advantage, the difference between men and women in combat disappears.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 02, 2014, 07:16:06 am
(http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/aRgALyq_700b.jpg)


On fucking 9gag, of all places. Don't mind me, going to the Angry Dome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 02, 2014, 07:48:31 am
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/822/443/85c.jpg)

Not only is this a Godwin, it's unbelievably inaccurate.

- Welcomed female members

No, they really fucking didn’t. They were shunted into a subgroup. While the Nazis were looking to raise a generation of boys who would be good loyal soldiers and party members, they also wanted to raise a generation of girls to stay in the kitchen. Both groups got indoctrinated into what the men in charge saw as their “traditional and proper” roles, and Nazi attitudes towards women basically boiled down to “Stay in the kitchen. No, we don’t care if there is a labor shortage, get pregnant and shut up”. If a girl tried participating in a Hitler Youth road march, she’d be sent packing.

How the hell do you expect me to take you seriously if you get something so basic wrong and can't even be bothered to do the slightest amount of research?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 02, 2014, 08:02:19 am
I say we just send them pictures of women holding various console controllers and smiling.  Eventually, the rage will give them a heart attack.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 08:06:12 am

LOL, I think the gaming community is fucked up to, but that doesn't mean they're like the nazis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 02, 2014, 08:07:51 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 08:06:12 am
LOL, I think the gaming community is fucked up to, but that doesn't mean they're like the nazis.

You'd figure all this time we spent shooting Nazis in games and cackling maniacally as we find ever more creative ways to kill them would kinda prove the opposite.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 08:08:06 am
Quote from: Guizonde on September 02, 2014, 07:16:06 am
(http://)


On fucking 9gag, of all places. Don't mind me, going to the Angry Dome.
Oh yeah, this cringeworthy guy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 02, 2014, 08:24:18 am
I'm sure someone who gives more of a shit than I could make a slightly less retarded image comparing social justice warriors and Nazis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on September 02, 2014, 09:21:43 am
One reason the Allies won WWII was because they could put more men on the battlefield, on account of training women to work in factories and serve as mechanics and such, like this officer:

(http://www.annefrankguide.net/en-gb/content/princess_elizabeth.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 02, 2014, 09:36:40 am
Quote from: dpareja on September 02, 2014, 09:21:43 am
One reason the Allies won WWII was because they could put more men on the battlefield,
In all fairness, that was always a forgone conclusion. When you have the Soviet Union, China, The United Kingdom (back when they still controlled India) and the United States on the same side, they're going to be fielding far greater numbers regardless of what anyone does.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 02, 2014, 11:12:41 am
Quote
But I do have a request for you: stop publicly criticizing Quinn.  Go after the men.  Criticize the games themselves.  But leave the women alone, even if you think they merit criticism.

So, you think women can't handle criticism.  Remind me, who's the misogynist again?

The fun fact about feminism that Social Justice Warriors seem to ignore is that's it's a double-edged sword.  If you want to be treated as an equal you have to take criticism as well as praise.  If you pretend to be strong and independent to criticize "the patriarchy" but pull up the "I'm a fragile woman, you misogynistic pig!" as soon as someone calls you out on your bullshit, you're not a feminist, you're a hypocritical, manipulative asshole (which is a perfect way to describe a SJW IMO).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 11:53:25 am
I do think that people should stop over-focusing on Quinn and focus on the  vast amounts of other, worse things in the gaming industry (not saying Quinn doesn't deserve some kind of criticism)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 02, 2014, 11:54:35 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 02, 2014, 11:12:41 am
Quote
But I do have a request for you: stop publicly criticizing Quinn.  Go after the men.  Criticize the games themselves.  But leave the women alone, even if you think they merit criticism.

So, you think women can't handle criticism.  Remind me, who's the misogynist again?

The fun fact about feminism that Social Justice Warriors seem to ignore is that's it's a double-edged sword. If you want to be treated as an equal you have to take criticism as well as praise.  If you pretend to be strong and interdependent to criticize "the patriarchy" but pull up the "I'm a fragile woman, you misogynistic pig!" as soon as someone calls you out on your bullshit, you're not a feminist, you're a hypocritical, manipulative asshole (which is a perfect way to describe a SJW IMO).

the more this circlejerk continues, I get the feeling that true feminism (you know, equality between men and women) is getting pushed under the rug to have another pointless war of the sexes. These SJW types don't want equality, they want the opposite of what is happening now as payback. Nevermind the fact that this short-sighted, knee-jerk reaction will generate another war 30 years from the moment that it comes true. This isn't feminism. It's misandry combined with a small dose of misogyny (as per the "women are weaker than men" argument, which is total bull).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:17:19 pm
Quote from: Guizonde on September 02, 2014, 11:54:35 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 02, 2014, 11:12:41 am
Quote
But I do have a request for you: stop publicly criticizing Quinn.  Go after the men.  Criticize the games themselves.  But leave the women alone, even if you think they merit criticism.

So, you think women can't handle criticism.  Remind me, who's the misogynist again?

The fun fact about feminism that Social Justice Warriors seem to ignore is that's it's a double-edged sword. If you want to be treated as an equal you have to take criticism as well as praise.  If you pretend to be strong and interdependent to criticize "the patriarchy" but pull up the "I'm a fragile woman, you misogynistic pig!" as soon as someone calls you out on your bullshit, you're not a feminist, you're a hypocritical, manipulative asshole (which is a perfect way to describe a SJW IMO).

the more this circlejerk continues, I get the feeling that true feminism (you know, equality between men and women) is getting pushed under the rug to have another pointless war of the sexes. These SJW types don't want equality, they want the opposite of what is happening now as payback. Nevermind the fact that this short-sighted, knee-jerk reaction will generate another war 30 years from the moment that it comes true. This isn't feminism. It's misandry combined with a small dose of misogyny (as per the "women are weaker than men" argument, which is total bull).

What?

(By the way, I will kill the cat/family of the next person to say "Social Justice Warrior"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 02, 2014, 12:32:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 11:53:25 am
I do think that people should stop over-focusing on Quinn and focus on the  vast amounts of other, worse things in the gaming industry (not saying Quinn doesn't deserve some kind of criticism)

I think most people (even 4chan) would agree to that. Although it would be hard to get legit misogynists to cease and desist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:37:57 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on September 02, 2014, 12:32:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 11:53:25 am
I do think that people should stop over-focusing on Quinn and focus on the  vast amounts of other, worse things in the gaming industry (not saying Quinn doesn't deserve some kind of criticism)

I think most people (even 4chan) would agree to that. Although it would be hard to get legit misogynists to cease and desist.
Faggot autistic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 02, 2014, 12:39:02 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:37:57 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on September 02, 2014, 12:32:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 11:53:25 am
I do think that people should stop over-focusing on Quinn and focus on the  vast amounts of other, worse things in the gaming industry (not saying Quinn doesn't deserve some kind of criticism)

I think most people (even 4chan) would agree to that. Although it would be hard to get legit misogynists to cease and desist.
Faggot autistic.

Was that an attempt at humor?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 02, 2014, 12:40:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:17:19 pm
Quote from: Guizonde on September 02, 2014, 11:54:35 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 02, 2014, 11:12:41 am
Quote
But I do have a request for you: stop publicly criticizing Quinn.  Go after the men.  Criticize the games themselves.  But leave the women alone, even if you think they merit criticism.

So, you think women can't handle criticism.  Remind me, who's the misogynist again?

The fun fact about feminism that Social Justice Warriors seem to ignore is that's it's a double-edged sword. If you want to be treated as an equal you have to take criticism as well as praise.  If you pretend to be strong and interdependent to criticize "the patriarchy" but pull up the "I'm a fragile woman, you misogynistic pig!" as soon as someone calls you out on your bullshit, you're not a feminist, you're a hypocritical, manipulative asshole (which is a perfect way to describe a SJW IMO).

the more this circlejerk continues, I get the feeling that true feminism (you know, equality between men and women) is getting pushed under the rug to have another pointless war of the sexes. These SJW types don't want equality, they want the opposite of what is happening now as payback. Nevermind the fact that this short-sighted, knee-jerk reaction will generate another war 30 years from the moment that it comes true. This isn't feminism. It's misandry combined with a small dose of misogyny (as per the "women are weaker than men" argument, which is total bull).

What?

(By the way, I will kill the cat/family of the next person to say "Social Justice Warrior"

By all means, kill my cat. Bastard shat on my pillow. I'll keep on using the term SJW in the same pejorative way I talk about keyboard warriors: windbags with nothing better to do with their lives. Basically, NewFems are just reverse machos and not feminists fighting for equality anymore. Where there is a patriarchy, they want to make it a matriarchy to "pay back for all the injustice". Yup, pay back injustice with injustice. And yet, they say women are weak, which is like, the number one argument of machos and misogynists alike. It's almost just an excuse to fight on the internet, because nothing can come of such a sterile "dialogue".

hope that clears up what I meant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:40:33 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on September 02, 2014, 12:39:02 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:37:57 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on September 02, 2014, 12:32:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 11:53:25 am
I do think that people should stop over-focusing on Quinn and focus on the  vast amounts of other, worse things in the gaming industry (not saying Quinn doesn't deserve some kind of criticism)

I think most people (even 4chan) would agree to that. Although it would be hard to get legit misogynists to cease and desist.
Faggot autistic.

Was that an attempt at humor?
Yeah, okay, out of line, I apologize.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:41:52 pm
Quote from: Guizonde on September 02, 2014, 12:40:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:17:19 pm
Quote from: Guizonde on September 02, 2014, 11:54:35 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 02, 2014, 11:12:41 am
Quote
But I do have a request for you: stop publicly criticizing Quinn.  Go after the men.  Criticize the games themselves.  But leave the women alone, even if you think they merit criticism.

So, you think women can't handle criticism.  Remind me, who's the misogynist again?

The fun fact about feminism that Social Justice Warriors seem to ignore is that's it's a double-edged sword. If you want to be treated as an equal you have to take criticism as well as praise.  If you pretend to be strong and interdependent to criticize "the patriarchy" but pull up the "I'm a fragile woman, you misogynistic pig!" as soon as someone calls you out on your bullshit, you're not a feminist, you're a hypocritical, manipulative asshole (which is a perfect way to describe a SJW IMO).

the more this circlejerk continues, I get the feeling that true feminism (you know, equality between men and women) is getting pushed under the rug to have another pointless war of the sexes. These SJW types don't want equality, they want the opposite of what is happening now as payback. Nevermind the fact that this short-sighted, knee-jerk reaction will generate another war 30 years from the moment that it comes true. This isn't feminism. It's misandry combined with a small dose of misogyny (as per the "women are weaker than men" argument, which is total bull).

What?

(By the way, I will kill the cat/family of the next person to say "Social Justice Warrior"

By all means, kill my cat. Bastard shat on my pillow. I'll keep on using the term SJW in the same pejorative way I talk about keyboard warriors: windbags with nothing better to do with their lives. Basically, NewFems are just reverse machos and not feminists fighting for equality anymore. Where there is a patriarchy, they want to make it a matriarchy to "pay back for all the injustice". Yup, pay back injustice with injustice. And yet, they say women are weak, which is like, the number one argument of machos and misogynists alike. It's almost just an excuse to fight on the internet, because nothing can come of such a sterile "dialogue".

hope that clears up what I meant.

It's just the term is REALY overused on teh interwebs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 02, 2014, 12:52:12 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:41:52 pm
It's just the term is REALY overused on teh interwebs.

Not as overused as:

Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:37:57 pm
Faggot autistic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:59:16 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 02, 2014, 12:52:12 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:41:52 pm
It's just the term is REALY overused on teh interwebs.

Not as overused as:

Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:37:57 pm
Faggot autistic.
Well right there was using the term in a joking way.
It is still out of line though, as the only person allowed to use those words here is Hof.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 02, 2014, 01:43:35 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:37:57 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on September 02, 2014, 12:32:23 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 11:53:25 am
I do think that people should stop over-focusing on Quinn and focus on the  vast amounts of other, worse things in the gaming industry (not saying Quinn doesn't deserve some kind of criticism)

I think most people (even 4chan) would agree to that. Although it would be hard to get legit misogynists to cease and desist.
Faggot autistic.

lol u wat m8
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 02, 2014, 09:46:24 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:59:16 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 02, 2014, 12:52:12 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:41:52 pm
It's just the term is REALY overused on teh interwebs.

Not as overused as:

Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:37:57 pm
Faggot autistic.
Well right there was using the term in a joking way.
It is still out of line though, as the only person allowed to use those words here is Hof.
Don't be such a faggot, you autistic little shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 02, 2014, 10:05:00 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:37:57 pm
Faggot autistic.
You rang?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 02, 2014, 11:03:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/0REAwk4.png)

People like this is why we have police officers patrolling our schools.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on September 02, 2014, 11:14:05 pm
Faggot autistic ready for cocksucking and awkward hugs
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 02, 2014, 11:26:51 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 02, 2014, 11:03:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/0REAwk4.png)

Flashback to a thread from a while ago:

Quote from: Ironchew on February 19, 2014, 05:03:19 pm
I view "die cis scum", "die trans scum", "die white scum", "die black scum", and "die in a fire" as carrying equal weight. If I suspected they meant what they said and had the means to accomplish their stated intention, I wouldn't be doing privilege calculus -- I would report their ass to the police, cis or trans.

I think this would be one of those times.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 03, 2014, 01:39:12 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 02, 2014, 11:03:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/0REAwk4.png)

People like this is why we have police officers patrolling our schools.

Enjoy gender-fluid jail there sweetheart.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on September 03, 2014, 02:24:48 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 02, 2014, 12:37:57 pm
Faggot autistic.

'Sup.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 03, 2014, 07:52:03 am
Quote from: Ironchew on September 02, 2014, 11:26:51 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 02, 2014, 11:03:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/0REAwk4.png)

Flashback to a thread from a while ago:

Quote from: Ironchew on February 19, 2014, 05:03:19 pm
I view "die cis scum", "die trans scum", "die white scum", "die black scum", and "die in a fire" as carrying equal weight. If I suspected they meant what they said and had the means to accomplish their stated intention, I wouldn't be doing privilege calculus -- I would report their ass to the police, cis or trans.

I think this would be one of those times.

I wholeheartedly agree with Ironchew on this one! (feels chilly all of a sudden, doesn't it?)

blue is sarcasm:

Also, 3 goddamn knives vs. a 95+% majority of the school? Really? ok, I'm biased being a cis-het (hate that term), but if I wanted to kill me and a few hundred people, I wouldn't take blades. I'd go straight for the gas pipes under the building. Imagine using a knife to scrag 10 people. You won't have time to sharpen it. By the end of the massacre you'd be better off with a butter knife. Oh, wait you're already covered with the third blade....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 03, 2014, 08:51:16 am
Would be kinda funny if she got blown away by a school shooter just as she is about to unleash her master plan.

When planning murder, always plan ahead.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 03, 2014, 08:53:22 am
Quote from: Ironchew on September 02, 2014, 11:26:51 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 02, 2014, 11:03:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/0REAwk4.png)

Flashback to a thread from a while ago:

Quote from: Ironchew on February 19, 2014, 05:03:19 pm
I view "die cis scum", "die trans scum", "die white scum", "die black scum", and "die in a fire" as carrying equal weight. If I suspected they meant what they said and had the means to accomplish their stated intention, I wouldn't be doing privilege calculus -- I would report their ass to the police, cis or trans.

I think this would be one of those times.

(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130313230038/glee/images/a/ab/Theodora_No_mercy.gif)

Just kidding. Also, those sacrifices are long overdue. Hurry up with my goddamn sacrifices, you incompetent fuck of a worshiper. Man, I suck as a dark god.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 03, 2014, 12:08:36 pm
Gawker would like your help in doxxing Darren Wilson. because it's okay when WE do it. (https://archive.today/y7peU)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 05, 2014, 09:15:39 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/bd9ec57b54f18f15bbcbac13365c3bd6/tumblr_nbeu73NEdI1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/eb0a871e329765c50abca06dfda51ac9/tumblr_nbevmsaKdi1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/746e20609da97fe3fd0018d8f2c2f695/tumblr_nbcnptqWtf1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/4344b39b9754a1121d8ce696eec0aa42/tumblr_nbetnaTBLt1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/ff7f084cfcee9cb549b71d6e3ec9106d/tumblr_mgnim8bHIJ1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/e816a495739f1ba76a9495555628f9d3/tumblr_mfod78sTth1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/e5aebfc4835d0a085325fee270ef788b/tumblr_mfq5iquqFs1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 05, 2014, 09:20:02 pm
Fuck you, men's deodorant makes me itch horribly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 05, 2014, 09:26:52 pm
The first ones probably a troll.

The third started out fine until the "biological genders are just a social construct UWU" part
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 05, 2014, 09:35:34 pm
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/5c602b06e8c352486da2b2fa36323acf/tumblr_mfq5siKE7w1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/a4ffb1bf59651d37fb8a858bb012d42b/tumblr_mfrzbueOgR1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://media.tumblr.com/aa06c0a189e420ed1c039533f15168e5/tumblr_inline_mgrz00LVXP1qere77.png)

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/23397276fd505e80bc5a129f73d3ef00/tumblr_mgw5gmOAb71ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/b8c22e7d088ae3fce57370c076e36add/tumblr_mjxzfmjQZK1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/78da1049afee268709c81974cc0c313d/tumblr_mjxw95djG71ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/HyMq6ML.png)

[imghttp://38.media.tumblr.com/98cfa9ed865bbc8dbe655cbb11c5f01d/tumblr_moyaxecFPd1ryeto5o1_1280.png][/img]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on September 05, 2014, 10:43:45 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 05, 2014, 09:35:34 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/98cfa9ed865bbc8dbe655cbb11c5f01d/tumblr_moyaxecFPd1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on September 06, 2014, 02:25:57 am
Have pics of Redd been posted in this thread before? If they're the ones I'm thinking of, she's one of the palest people I've seen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 06, 2014, 02:49:23 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on September 06, 2014, 02:25:57 am
Have pics of Redd been posted in this thread before? If they're the ones I'm thinking of, she's one of the palest people I've seen.
The only way she could ever be "of colour" is if someone dipped her in a vat of ink.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 06, 2014, 10:46:47 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 05, 2014, 09:15:39 pm

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/e816a495739f1ba76a9495555628f9d3/tumblr_mfod78sTth1ryeto5o1_1280.png)


Yeah, you certainly "fill hallways" alright! you probably hold up the line at Burger King too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 06, 2014, 02:17:59 pm
Quote from: dpareja on September 05, 2014, 10:43:45 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 05, 2014, 09:35:34 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/98cfa9ed865bbc8dbe655cbb11c5f01d/tumblr_moyaxecFPd1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Fixed that for you.


I wonder if they apply the same reasoning to any other thing called a disease.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 06, 2014, 03:03:59 pm
There is no cancer without cancerous people. By saying cancer is a disease, you're saying cancerous people are diseased, which is a tiny semantic leap from saying CANCEROUS PEOPLE ARE A DISEASE.

...Namely, a cancer. Cancerous people are a cancer. Especially if they were born in late June/early-to-mid July. Then they're a cancerous Cancer cancer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 06, 2014, 03:37:20 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 06, 2014, 03:03:59 pm
There is no cancer without cancerous people. By saying cancer is a disease, you're saying cancerous people are diseased, which is a tiny semantic leap from saying CANCEROUS PEOPLE ARE A DISEASE.

...Namely, a cancer. Cancerous people are a cancer. Especially if they were born in late June/early-to-mid July. Then they're a cancerous Cancer cancer.

(http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1310428349083_0.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 06, 2014, 03:48:45 pm
Who IS that guy?  ^
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 06, 2014, 03:52:51 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 06, 2014, 03:48:45 pm
Who IS that guy?  ^
Xzibit.  If you don't get it, here's what you need to know:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/xzibit-yo-dawg (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/xzibit-yo-dawg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 06, 2014, 04:00:16 pm
Ah... yeah I've seen him used before and the recursive "Yo Dawg, I heard you like ___" meme, but I didn't know who the actual guy was or what he was from.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 07, 2014, 12:33:30 am
And you call yourself a car guy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on September 07, 2014, 01:44:19 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 05, 2014, 09:15:39 pm

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/e816a495739f1ba76a9495555628f9d3/tumblr_mfod78sTth1ryeto5o1_1280.png)


Sooo, society's "fat phobia" is the reason why you have trouble connecting with people.  You're just fine, and you're not conceited at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 07, 2014, 07:13:07 pm
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(http://33.media.tumblr.com/f1333cdb61edcef76b8556383a513995/tumblr_mfctjjAsOY1rmqz98o1_1280.gif)

This could be one of your relatives, a friend or yourself. Every time a teen under the care of an adult comes out, they run the risk of a situation like this or even worse. Make sure to educate parents about the possibility that this could be their child. No, it’s unlikely, but it happens and every single abuse that can be prevented is some sort of progress.

1. It's "zoophile", not "zoosexual."  Don't kid yourselves, it's not a sexuality anymore than pedophilia is.

2. Don't compare your struggles to what it's like to be gay.  For one thing, animals can't consent.

3. I am against abusive parents no matter the reason for the abuse.  But I am also against animal abuse.  And while I know that someone with zoophilia is not automatically an animal abuser, I see no reason to support it.

Gods, I feel like I'm staring the slippery slope in the face, and it's laughing at me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 07:23:27 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 07:13:07 pm
1. It's "zoophile", not "zoosexual."  Don't kid yourselves, it's not a sexuality anymore than pedophilia is.

So it is a sexual orientation, then? Because pedophilia is, and I'm sure you're not going to buck decades of psychological research and claim it isn't.

EDIT: Even if you don't personally agree with his decision, is that justification for injuring him and kicking him out on the street? Careful with that mob mentality; it was used against people like you not very long ago.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 07, 2014, 07:29:16 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 07:23:27 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 07:13:07 pm
1. It's "zoophile", not "zoosexual."  Don't kid yourselves, it's not a sexuality anymore than pedophilia is.

So it is a sexual orientation, then? Because pedophilia is, and I'm sure you're not going to buck decades of psychological research and claim it isn't.

You mean the same psychological research that says that homosexuality and pedophilia are two entirely different things and can't be compared?  What would you even know about psychology to begin with?  I thought your field of study was "New Atheism."

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EDIT: Even if you don't personally agree with his decision, is that justification for injuring him and kicking him out on the street? Careful with that mob mentality; it was used against people like you not very long ago.

Let me answer you with something I literally just said.

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3. I am against abusive parents no matter the reason for the abuse.

Does that answer your question, O king of selective reading?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 07:35:28 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 07:29:16 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 07:23:27 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 07:13:07 pm
1. It's "zoophile", not "zoosexual."  Don't kid yourselves, it's not a sexuality anymore than pedophilia is.

So it is a sexual orientation, then? Because pedophilia is, and I'm sure you're not going to buck decades of psychological research and claim it isn't.

You mean the same psychological research that says that homosexuality and pedophilia are two entirely different things and can't be compared?  What would you even know about psychology to begin with?  I thought your field of study was "New Atheism."

Homosexuality and pedophilia are both deviant sexual orientations. Getting more specific, they address two different things, but they are sexual orientations nonetheless, and the scientific consensus backs that up.

By the way, nice "New atheist" quip, O king of irrational and flat-out wrong pagan beliefs.

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 07:29:16 pm
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EDIT: Even if you don't personally agree with his decision, is that justification for injuring him and kicking him out on the street? Careful with that mob mentality; it was used against people like you not very long ago.

Let me answer you with something I literally just said.

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3. I am against abusive parents no matter the reason for the abuse.

Does that answer your question, O king of selective reading?

You still sound like a complete asshole when you trivialize those circumstances by saying "Don't compare your struggles to [my struggle]".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 07, 2014, 07:39:40 pm
Ooh boy. Take cover.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 07, 2014, 07:53:35 pm
I got the bobcat!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 07:56:28 pm
*Checks jimmies*
Nope, still good.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 07, 2014, 08:04:03 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 07:35:28 pm
Homosexuality and pedophilia are both deviant sexual orientations. Getting more specific, they address two different things, but they are sexual orientations nonetheless, and the scientific consensus backs that up.

[citation needed]

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By the way, nice "New atheist" quip, O king of irrational and flat-out wrong pagan beliefs.

Why thank you. ;D

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You still sound like a complete asshole when you trivialize those circumstances by saying "Don't compare your struggles to [my struggle]".

It's more like "I don't take sappy tumblr images as proof of struggle."

It's like how black people get rightfully pissed when homosexuals compare their struggles to the struggle that black people have faced in the past and today.

So let me see this grand struggle that zoophiles face.  Other than the fact that legally, animals cannot consent, tell me of this grand struggle.  Show it to me.  Show me what I'm supposedly trivializing.

And not just tumblrinas and tumblrinos waxing poetic about privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:10:00 pm
I don't think the comparing of the Struggles of Homoesexuals and African Americans is that bad, of course I'm Straight and very white.


And please stop debating Ironchew.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 07, 2014, 08:12:52 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:10:00 pm
I don't think the comparing of the Struggles of Homoesexuals and African Americans is that bad, of course I'm Straight and very white.

For starters, gay people have never been enslaved for being gay, gay people aren't regularly stopped by policemen for being gay, and gay people are 99% less likely to get shot while surrendering and being gay.

There's a lot of gay black men out there that are conveniently ignored by the "gay community", too.  Not to mention the fact that, a double whammy, gay white people credit themselves -- sorry, their "predecessors" for the stonewall riots when it was black transwomen who led the charge.  Bet you don't hear about that in the "gay community" that often.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:13:34 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:04:03 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 07:35:28 pm
Homosexuality and pedophilia are both deviant sexual orientations. Getting more specific, they address two different things, but they are sexual orientations nonetheless, and the scientific consensus backs that up.

[citation needed]

Brian L. Cutler, Encyclopedia of Psychology and Law, SAGE, 2008, ISBN 978-1-4129-5189-0, p. 549, which Wikipedia cites when it says "Pedophilia has been described as a disorder of sexual preference, phenomenologically similar to a heterosexual or homosexual sexual orientation because it emerges before or during puberty, and because it is stable over time."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:15:15 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:12:52 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:10:00 pm
I don't think the comparing of the Struggles of Homoesexuals and African Americans is that bad, of course I'm Straight and very white.

For starters, gay people have never been enslaved for being gay, gay people aren't regularly stopped by policemen for being gay, and gay people are 99% less likely to get shot while surrendering and being gay.
Well, the T segment is really likely to get murdered, and LGBT youth are often harassed, bullied, and kick out of there homes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 07, 2014, 08:16:06 pm
Perhaps not necessarily equal, but not exactly dissimilar, either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 07, 2014, 08:16:36 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:15:15 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:12:52 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:10:00 pm
I don't think the comparing of the Struggles of Homoesexuals and African Americans is that bad, of course I'm Straight and very white.

For starters, gay people have never been enslaved for being gay, gay people aren't regularly stopped by policemen for being gay, and gay people are 99% less likely to get shot while surrendering and being gay.
Well, the T segment is really likely to get murdered, and LGBT youth are often harassed, bullied, and kick out of there homes.
Yeah.  In some ways, LGBT people have it worse than racial minorities.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:17:34 pm
In third world countries the struggle is definitely similar
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:19:47 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 07, 2014, 08:16:36 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:15:15 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:12:52 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:10:00 pm
I don't think the comparing of the Struggles of Homoesexuals and African Americans is that bad, of course I'm Straight and very white.

For starters, gay people have never been enslaved for being gay, gay people aren't regularly stopped by policemen for being gay, and gay people are 99% less likely to get shot while surrendering and being gay.
Well, the T segment is really likely to get murdered, and LGBT youth are often harassed, bullied, and kick out of there homes.
Yeah.  In some ways, LGBT people have it worse than racial minorities.
That depends on a lot of factors, a gay guy in Washington is probably gonna be better off than a black guy in texas.

Also, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 07, 2014, 08:22:55 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:13:34 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:04:03 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 07:35:28 pm
Homosexuality and pedophilia are both deviant sexual orientations. Getting more specific, they address two different things, but they are sexual orientations nonetheless, and the scientific consensus backs that up.

[citation needed]

Brian L. Cutler, Encyclopedia of Psychology and Law, SAGE, 2008, ISBN 978-1-4129-5189-0, p. 549, which Wikipedia cites when it says "Pedophilia has been described as a disorder of sexual preference, phenomenologically similar to a heterosexual or homosexual sexual orientation because it emerges before or during puberty, and because it is stable over time."

Might want to read that again, because it agrees with me and disagrees with you.

In short, the only similarity they really have is that they both emerge around puberty.  One is a disorder of sexual preference.  The other is sexual orientation.  Two different things.

Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:15:15 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:12:52 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:10:00 pm
I don't think the comparing of the Struggles of Homoesexuals and African Americans is that bad, of course I'm Straight and very white.

For starters, gay people have never been enslaved for being gay, gay people aren't regularly stopped by policemen for being gay, and gay people are 99% less likely to get shot while surrendering and being gay.
Well, the T segment is really likely to get murdered, and LGBT youth are often harassed, bullied, and kick out of there homes.

And the T segment faces quite a bit of its discrimination from the LGB.

In third world countries, yeah, racial and sexual minorities face a lot of the same shit.  But in America, racial minorities still have it quite a bit worse than sexual minorities, except for trans people, who do have it about as bad.

You are right about them not being mutually exclusive.

What I'm saying is that a straight black person is gonna suffer a lot more discrimination than even a gay white person, meaning that race has a bigger impact in discrimination in this country than sexuality.  Except for trans people, who suffer discrimination from all sides of the fence.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:26:45 pm
It all really depends on where you live in america.
For instance, you don't want to be gay in some tiny fucking nebraskan bible town, or black.


Ok, I suppose I shouldn't turn this into a "Who is more oppressed?" contest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:27:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:22:55 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:13:34 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:04:03 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 07:35:28 pm
Homosexuality and pedophilia are both deviant sexual orientations. Getting more specific, they address two different things, but they are sexual orientations nonetheless, and the scientific consensus backs that up.

[citation needed]

Brian L. Cutler, Encyclopedia of Psychology and Law, SAGE, 2008, ISBN 978-1-4129-5189-0, p. 549, which Wikipedia cites when it says "Pedophilia has been described as a disorder of sexual preference, phenomenologically similar to a heterosexual or homosexual sexual orientation because it emerges before or during puberty, and because it is stable over time."

Might want to read that again, because it agrees with me and disagrees with you.

In short, the only similarity they really have is that they both emerge around puberty.  One is a disorder of sexual preference.  The other is sexual orientation.  Two different things.

Legal semantics. They present similarly and the only difference is that homosexuality is legal (which is a recent development) and statutory rape of a minor isn't. You'll notice that homosexuality was similarly classified as a disorder of sexual preference in the 1970s, which should really hit the point home on how it's two different ways of classifying the same thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 07, 2014, 08:30:32 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:26:45 pm
It all really depends on where you live in america.
For instance, you don't want to be gay in some tiny fucking nebraskan bible town, or black.

Most people assume I'm a straight white Christian redneck, so effectively, I'm invisible.

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Ok, I suppose I shouldn't turn this into a "Who is more oppressed?" contest.

Nah, discussion's good when it's discussion and not a pissing contest.

It's just that I've never had to fear for my life because the police might accuse me of a crime I didn't commit and beat me to a pulp.  Or that I might get murdered and the killer wouldn't just get free, but be celebrated.

Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:27:17 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:22:55 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:13:34 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:04:03 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 07:35:28 pm
Homosexuality and pedophilia are both deviant sexual orientations. Getting more specific, they address two different things, but they are sexual orientations nonetheless, and the scientific consensus backs that up.

[citation needed]

Brian L. Cutler, Encyclopedia of Psychology and Law, SAGE, 2008, ISBN 978-1-4129-5189-0, p. 549, which Wikipedia cites when it says "Pedophilia has been described as a disorder of sexual preference, phenomenologically similar to a heterosexual or homosexual sexual orientation because it emerges before or during puberty, and because it is stable over time."

Might want to read that again, because it agrees with me and disagrees with you.

In short, the only similarity they really have is that they both emerge around puberty.  One is a disorder of sexual preference.  The other is sexual orientation.  Two different things.

Legal semantics. They present similarly and the only difference is that homosexuality is legal (which is a recent development) and statutory rape of a minor isn't. You'll notice that homosexuality was similarly classified as a disorder of sexual preference in the 1970s, which should really hit the point home on how it's two different ways of classifying the same thing.

And homosexuality was removed from that list because it wasn't a disorder of sexual preference, and pedophilia wasn't because it is a disorder of sexual preference.

Who's the one arguing semantics again?  Spoiler: It's you.

EDIT:

I should remind you that I asked for a citation that pedophilia is a sexual orientation and that science has been finding this for years.  Instead, you provided me with a citation that clearly called it something separate from a sexual orientation.  So, clearly, science hasn't been finding this for years.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:33:55 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:30:32 pm
And homosexuality was removed from that list because it wasn't a disorder of sexual preference, and pedophilia wasn't because it is a disorder of sexual preference.

Who's the one arguing semantics again?  Spoiler: It's you.

That's a circular argument. There really isn't any biological difference between "sexual orientation" and "disorder of sexual preference"; it's only a sociological difference according to the norms and laws of society.

Homosexuality was removed from the latter classification because laws and social norms had sufficiently evolved to do so.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 07, 2014, 08:36:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:33:55 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:30:32 pm
And homosexuality was removed from that list because it wasn't a disorder of sexual preference, and pedophilia wasn't because it is a disorder of sexual preference.

Who's the one arguing semantics again?  Spoiler: It's you.

That's a circular argument. There really isn't any biological difference between "sexual orientation" and "disorder of sexual preference"; it's only a sociological difference according to the norms and laws of society.

[citation needed]

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Homosexuality was removed from the latter classification because laws and social norms had sufficiently evolved to do so.

Homosexuality was removed because it was found to be in error.  It had very little to do with laws and social norms, especially since the social norms of the time were still very stringently anti-gay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 07, 2014, 08:38:52 pm
@Ironchew, Magus:

Both of you, if you're going to play the semantics game, at least do it right. State what you think the actual differences between "disorder of sexual preference" and "sexual orientation" are, other than that the former sounds worse than the latter. Otherwise you're not having an argument so much as spewing angry noise at each other.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:39:15 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:36:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:33:55 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:30:32 pm
And homosexuality was removed from that list because it wasn't a disorder of sexual preference, and pedophilia wasn't because it is a disorder of sexual preference.

Who's the one arguing semantics again?  Spoiler: It's you.

That's a circular argument. There really isn't any biological difference between "sexual orientation" and "disorder of sexual preference"; it's only a sociological difference according to the norms and laws of society.

[citation needed]

I already gave you a citation and you started arguing semantics. You don't deserve to have other people doing your own research for you in order to correct your willful ignorance.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 07, 2014, 08:41:52 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/6lJBsfx.png)

>claims all white people fuck animals.
>Is a white person.

Top lel.

(http://i.imgur.com/jeC6jbe.jpg)

HOW DARE YOU HAVE FUN!

(http://i.imgur.com/GRZbSux.png)

Tumblr.com

(http://i.imgur.com/YqmJ7V5.jpg)

It's possible to care about black people, poor people, and people with ALS equally you know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 08:43:27 pm
The boob one is almost definitely a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 07, 2014, 08:44:06 pm
Quickly, Sigma! Only launch of the Paragon cluster thermonuclear apocalypse bringer missiles of doom can prevent a Semantics Cascade!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 07, 2014, 08:45:07 pm
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(http://i.imgur.com/6lJBsfx.png)
I can't help but think that might actually be racism in the other direction, essentially comparing non-whites with animals.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 07, 2014, 08:52:41 pm
Oh, well. Might as well use the launch codes myself. Through the might of shitty photoshop ripoffs nuklear weapons, I will punish you! Oh, shit- I mean, hi UP! How's the kids? Please don't kill me.

Edit: UP's avatar makes a great color burn.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 07, 2014, 08:56:23 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 07, 2014, 08:38:52 pm
@Ironchew, Magus:

Both of you, if you're going to play the semantics game, at least do it right. State what you think the actual differences between "disorder of sexual preference" and "sexual orientation" are, other than that the former sounds worse than the latter. Otherwise you're not having an argument so much as spewing angry noise at each other.

Simple.  Kids who have been sexually abused are more likely to become pedophiles when they grow up.  There is a traceable cause and effect leading to the fact that this is a disorder, a disruption of what would be normal for that person.  It's worth noting that disorders can set in on their own, including this own.

On the other hand, homosexuality occurs in the same way heterosexuality, the "intended course", is occurred, just in lesser numbers.  Bell curve arguments of "Abnormal" aside, functionally a homosexual person is identical to a heterosexual person, aside from their "mating target."  Homosexuality does have a correlation with artistic capability and being left-handed, though, so it does have an emphasis on one side of the brain, where it could be said that heterosexuality has an emphasis on the other side of the brain, due to the statistically low percentage of left-handed people among straight people.  But it's not a 100% deal.

A better comparison:

Pedophilia is a sexual disorder, like OCD and ADHD are mental disorders.
Homosexuality is a sexual difference, like left-handedness is a brain difference.

Reminder that being left-handed was once considered taboo, too.

Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:39:15 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:36:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:33:55 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:30:32 pm
And homosexuality was removed from that list because it wasn't a disorder of sexual preference, and pedophilia wasn't because it is a disorder of sexual preference.

Who's the one arguing semantics again?  Spoiler: It's you.

That's a circular argument. There really isn't any biological difference between "sexual orientation" and "disorder of sexual preference"; it's only a sociological difference according to the norms and laws of society.

[citation needed]

I already gave you a citation and you started arguing semantics. You don't deserve to have other people doing your own research for you in order to correct your willful ignorance.

Wow.  I literally don't need to say anything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 07, 2014, 09:08:11 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/X97k9iF.png)

A father restricting his child's internet use? What oppression! Is your father Hitler?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 09:11:51 pm
Wow, such oppresion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 09:13:55 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:56:23 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 07, 2014, 08:38:52 pm
@Ironchew, Magus:

Both of you, if you're going to play the semantics game, at least do it right. State what you think the actual differences between "disorder of sexual preference" and "sexual orientation" are, other than that the former sounds worse than the latter. Otherwise you're not having an argument so much as spewing angry noise at each other.

Simple.  Kids who have been sexually abused are more likely to become pedophiles when they grow up.  There is a traceable cause and effect leading to the fact that this is a disorder, a disruption of what would be normal for that person.  It's worth noting that disorders can set in on their own, including this own.

On the other hand, homosexuality occurs in the same way heterosexuality, the "intended course", is occurred, just in lesser numbers.  Bell curve arguments of "Abnormal" aside, functionally a homosexual person is identical to a heterosexual person, aside from their "mating target."  Homosexuality does have a correlation with artistic capability and being left-handed, though, so it does have an emphasis on one side of the brain, where it could be said that heterosexuality has an emphasis on the other side of the brain, due to the statistically low percentage of left-handed people among straight people.  But it's not a 100% deal.

A better comparison:

Pedophilia is a sexual disorder, like OCD and ADHD are mental disorders.
Homosexuality is a sexual difference, like left-handedness is a brain difference.

Reminder that being left-handed was once considered taboo, too.

Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:39:15 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:36:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 07, 2014, 08:33:55 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 08:30:32 pm
And homosexuality was removed from that list because it wasn't a disorder of sexual preference, and pedophilia wasn't because it is a disorder of sexual preference.

Who's the one arguing semantics again?  Spoiler: It's you.

That's a circular argument. There really isn't any biological difference between "sexual orientation" and "disorder of sexual preference"; it's only a sociological difference according to the norms and laws of society.

[citation needed]

I already gave you a citation and you started arguing semantics. You don't deserve to have other people doing your own research for you in order to correct your willful ignorance.

Wow.  I literally don't need to say anything.
Please start a new thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 07, 2014, 09:38:25 pm
Get a room you two.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 07, 2014, 09:38:38 pm
So we can do nothing?  Argument ended, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 07, 2014, 09:39:34 pm
http://www.peta.org/features/what-peta-really-stands-for/

PETA would argue that humanity has few if any unique capabilities, and that we're "all just animals".

Well, I would argue humanity's evolved far enough we don't need to rely upon what nature gave us. We created tanks, fighter planes, bombers, rifles, missile launchers, grenades...et cetera. With these amazing tools, we stand tall above the competition. With a tank, it doesn't matter how ferocious the lion is - its pulp.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 07, 2014, 09:43:32 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 07, 2014, 09:39:34 pm
http://www.peta.org/features/what-peta-really-stands-for/

PETA would argue that humanity has few if any unique capabilities

We're capable of consuming poisonous foods and liquids for entertainment, we are adaptive in fight or flight situations, we are the most advance tool-using animal species on the planet, we have developed a way to communicate outside of our species, we have formed symbiotic relations with almost every type of animal, and we're the only animal species on the planet that actually gives a damn about nature, relatively speaking.

I'd say we're plenty damn unique and have a lot going for us.  Not to mention we're the only animal that can kill a lion by shoving an arm down its throat, because we're the only animal to think to do so.

PETA can suck my primate dick.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 07, 2014, 09:45:02 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 07, 2014, 09:39:34 pm
PETA would argue that humanity has few if any unique capabilities, and that we're "all just animals".
Well, humans are animals, so they're correct on that front.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on September 07, 2014, 10:09:36 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 07, 2014, 08:41:52 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/6lJBsfx.png)

I'll take my free fleshlight please. I mean, those things are what, $70-$80? Shit ain't cheap.

Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 09:43:32 pm
Not to mention we're the only animal that can kill a lion by shoving an arm down its throat, because we're the only animal to think to do so.

Is that really possible? Because if it is, that's pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 07, 2014, 11:10:04 pm
Yep.  Chokes the lion to death.

Of course, be prepared to get some injury from it, especially around the area where the lion's teeth will be, but it'll hurt less than being clawed to death.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 11:21:24 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 11:10:04 pm
Yep.  Chokes the lion to death.

Of course, be prepared to get some injury from it, especially around the area where the lion's teeth will be, but it'll hurt less than being clawed to death.
It's also probably the most complicated way to take down a lion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 08, 2014, 12:00:29 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 07, 2014, 09:45:02 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 07, 2014, 09:39:34 pm
PETA would argue that humanity has few if any unique capabilities, and that we're "all just animals".
Well, humans are animals, so they're correct on that front.

Of course, what really bothers me about this is when they claim that humans aren't unique in any way and are just like other animals . . . until they need to enforce their human standards and ideals on only humans because "as humans, we should be above all that".  Which is it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 08, 2014, 12:33:55 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 07, 2014, 09:45:02 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 07, 2014, 09:39:34 pm
PETA would argue that humanity has few if any unique capabilities, and that we're "all just animals".
Well, humans are animals, so they're correct on that front.
I'm actually wolf-kin (✿◠‿◠).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 08, 2014, 12:36:01 am
Aww did I miss Magus and Ironchew hate fucking each other?

Ironbite-I'm sad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 08, 2014, 01:06:29 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 11:21:24 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 11:10:04 pm
Yep.  Chokes the lion to death.

Of course, be prepared to get some injury from it, especially around the area where the lion's teeth will be, but it'll hurt less than being clawed to death.
It's also probably the most complicated way to take down a lion.

When you don't have tools of any sort, it's probably your best bet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on September 08, 2014, 03:51:05 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 07, 2014, 08:41:52 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/6lJBsfx.png)

>claims all white people fuck animals.
>Is a white person.

Top lel.

So white women are animals?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 08, 2014, 07:44:52 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 11:21:24 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 11:10:04 pm
Yep.  Chokes the lion to death.

Of course, be prepared to get some injury from it, especially around the area where the lion's teeth will be, but it'll hurt less than being clawed to death.
It's also probably the most complicated way to take down a lion.

A bit simpler than trying to psyche it out so bad it gets depressed and leaves you alone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 08, 2014, 07:48:46 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 11:21:24 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 11:10:04 pm
Yep.  Chokes the lion to death.

Of course, be prepared to get some injury from it, especially around the area where the lion's teeth will be, but it'll hurt less than being clawed to death.
It's also probably the most complicated balls-to-the-wall awesome way to take down a lion.

Fixed that for ya.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 08, 2014, 07:19:11 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 08, 2014, 07:48:46 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2014, 11:21:24 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 07, 2014, 11:10:04 pm
Yep.  Chokes the lion to death.

Of course, be prepared to get some injury from it, especially around the area where the lion's teeth will be, but it'll hurt less than being clawed to death.
It's also probably the most complicated balls-to-the-wall awesome way to take down a lion.

Fixed that for ya.

I'm sure whoever accomplishes this will immediately hear Fatality afterwards.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 08, 2014, 10:58:44 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/1d7851d6f53891cd8e17d4f731cf0d38/tumblr_nbkspbuVKx1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1380421035/835965.gif)

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/ea45a41dad3072219ccce83dc11ebded/tumblr_nbeutcf58M1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

(http://media.tumblr.com/e88b6ca2b953bf407f4a67aed43fd54f/tumblr_inline_mxuxymgLlC1s0ifq7.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 08, 2014, 11:54:57 pm
Quote from: Damen on September 08, 2014, 10:58:44 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/1d7851d6f53891cd8e17d4f731cf0d38/tumblr_nbkspbuVKx1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1380421035/835965.gif)

Me too ._.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 09, 2014, 12:00:43 am
I kind of want to give this moron a piece of cinnabar and tell him it's a ruby.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2014, 12:02:33 am
"Fuck you, I'm a dragon!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 09, 2014, 12:49:49 am
Uuuhhh, outside Enquestria dragons eat livestock.
If you're really a dragon then go eat a raw cow.

DO IT FAGGOT!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 09, 2014, 01:02:10 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 09, 2014, 12:49:49 am
Uuuhhh, outside Enquestria dragons eat livestock.
If you're really a dragon then go eat a raw cow.

DO IT FAGGOT!

But what if that person is an MLP type dragon?

Honestly, your comment is like saying that vampire-kin should not cover themselves in glitter when they go outside. You really need to broaden your horizons a little bit and accept that some people are different than others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 09, 2014, 03:55:23 am
Not to mention, if you're gonna hoard, HOARD IT!  Put it on display!

Jesus Christ's head on a platter, I wonder what that idiot's mother thought about her son EATING A FUCKING DIAMOND!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on September 09, 2014, 04:24:46 am
*just beakclaws helplessly* I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at reading that dragonkin one...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 09, 2014, 09:38:04 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 09, 2014, 12:49:49 am
Uuuhhh, outside Enquestria dragons eat livestock.
If you're really a dragon then go eat a raw cow.

DO IT FAGGOT!

Is it wrong that I sincerely hope this actually happens?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 09, 2014, 10:24:44 am
When he gets gored and killed by an angry bull, can I have his soul?  Get to see if he really is a dragon on the inside.  I kind of doubt it, but I need the base for another philosopher's stone, anyway.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 09, 2014, 02:53:18 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 09, 2014, 10:24:44 am
When he gets gored and killed by an angry bull, can I have his soul?  Get to see if he really is a dragon on the inside.  I kind of doubt it, but I need the base for another philosopher's stone, anyway.

Be my guest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 09, 2014, 04:02:09 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on September 09, 2014, 04:24:46 am
*just beakclaws helplessly* I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at reading that dragonkin one...

Well, at least you're a gryphon, you don't have to worry about that.  *Pats*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on September 09, 2014, 04:25:51 pm
I'm hoping that "dragonkin" was just kidding. But then, I hope for a lot of things....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2014, 06:54:48 pm
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/1/3/8/304138_v1.jpg)

Except... three of these people aren't actually trans. 

Buffalo Bill merely thought he was trans due to his self-loathing.  Hannibal Lecter outright says he's not trans.

"Angela" was forced to pretend to be a girl by "her" lunatic of an aunt. 

Norman Bates had multiple personality disorder, with his other personality being his deceased mother.

I've never seen Dressed to Kill, so I can't comment on that one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on September 09, 2014, 07:01:35 pm
Quick glance on wikipedia says Bobbi actually has a weird mixture of transgenderism (for lack of a better word) and Split personality.
So 25%. Still an F
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on September 09, 2014, 07:57:42 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 09, 2014, 04:02:09 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on September 09, 2014, 04:24:46 am
*just beakclaws helplessly* I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at reading that dragonkin one...

Well, at least you're a gryphon, you don't have to worry about that.  *Pats*

I at least prefer my meat COOKED!

... reminds me, I should pick up some nice steak.  I could go for that, some mashed potatoes and gravy, a bit of sweet corn... ... and now I've got and made myself hungry.  Dammit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 09, 2014, 08:08:02 pm
HOW DARE YOU SIR!

I identify as a transabled transethnic transrich Steak-kin potato-kin with sixteen headmates, one of them being an entire galaxy! By stating you intend to eat steak, you trigger me and all my headmates most deeply. Including the galaxy. Somehow. I don't even know how that works.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 09, 2014, 08:46:14 pm
I'm a bit hungry too come to think of it.  Who am I offending with that, eh? :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 09, 2014, 09:25:01 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 09, 2014, 08:46:14 pm
I'm a bit hungry too come to think of it.  Who am I offending with that, eh? :P

Everyone.  You are now literally Hitler.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on September 09, 2014, 09:35:38 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 09, 2014, 09:25:01 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 09, 2014, 08:46:14 pm
I'm a bit hungry too come to think of it.  Who am I offending with that, eh? :P

Everyone.  You are now literally Hitler.

But he can't be Hitler! Hitler's my headmate!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 09, 2014, 09:41:17 pm
Hitler was a Nephilim, the offspring of an angel and a human, which is why he was able to become leader of Germany - with mind control psionic powers!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 09, 2014, 09:49:11 pm
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/5e6922ceb80a8261b7402c3834eb2cad/tumblr_nbns8gWpXa1ryeto5o1_400.png)

(http://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8083707392/hDAC47C5F/)

Yeah, I'm an asshole like that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 09, 2014, 09:49:43 pm
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 09, 2014, 09:41:17 pm
Hitler was a Nephilim, the offspring of an angel and a human, which is why he was able to become leader of Germany - with mind control psionic powers!
Blargh!  I have powers and stuff and things!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on September 09, 2014, 09:51:45 pm
Quote from: Damen on September 09, 2014, 09:49:11 pm


(http://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8083707392/hDAC47C5F/)

Yeah, I'm an asshole like that.
Is that a surfing crocodile?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 09, 2014, 09:52:52 pm
Yes. Yes it is.

(http://global3.memecdn.com/of-course-there-amp-039-s-a-giant-crocodile-surfing-on-an-australian-beach-because-australia_o_2902195.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 09, 2014, 10:00:07 pm
What a beauty!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 09, 2014, 10:28:50 pm
Croikey!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 09, 2014, 11:15:02 pm
Someone I follow posted a quote from a blog that talked about how "sex" is only taught as PIV and doesn't teach how to properly please women, so I clicked the blog link.

It turned into a "all PIV sex is socially conditioned rape" diatribe. (http://anntagonist.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/let-me-slip-into-something-a-little-less-comfortable/) 

Quote
Some radical feminists outright state that all heterosexual intercourse is rape. Some radical feminists disagree and say that statement lacks nuance. A lot of heterosexual feminists say they feel personally insulted by the statement “all intercourse is rape” because they have had personal experience of PIV they wanted and PIV they didn’t want and have processed those experiences as different from each other. I understand that. It makes me uncomfortable too. The whole subject of PIV makes me uncomfortable. I endured it for more than ten years of my life until I discovered radical feminism, read FCM’s Intercourse Series, had my mind blown and quit it. I feel like it’s impossible to get a sense of clarity about PIV and what it does to your psyche until you stop doing it and this is because of the trauma bonding that FCM talks about. Women who are still engaging in heterosexual relationships feel particularly uncomfortable with the suggestion that all intercourse is rape because it means acknowledging firstly that the man you share your bed with is a rapist and secondly, that you possess virtually no social power or bodily autonomy. These are hard things to face.

Another thing that’s hard for women to accept is that we do not own our sexualities. There is not a woman alive today who has an authentic sexuality of her own. All women have been groomed to be penis receptacles in a cultural narrative of man-meets-woman-man-puts-penis-in-woman’s-vagina. We are told we like putting things in our vaginas, especially penises, and that’s about the end of it.

. . .

Women are acquiescing consenting to all this shit because they literally do not know any different. Until I discovered radical feminism, it hadn’t even occurred to me that I could refuse.

. . .

PIV can be justified as ‘always rape’ because it always involves the weaponization of the penis against a woman on a girl. The woman may ‘enjoy’ the sensation of having a penis inside her but she wouldn’t be the first woman in the world to eroticize her own subordination as a means of coping with it. Men know that every single time they stick their dicks in a woman, they’re putting her  at risk of pregnancy. They know that pregnancy can kill women. They know that if they cause a pregnancy to occur they can walk away at any time with no major social consequences. They know what kind of harm’s way they’re putting us in but they really like ejaculating inside us so they do it anyway.

The thing with PIV is that, much like BDSM, it doesn’t really matter how much you like it and how free you think your choice is when you make it; the activity in itself is inherently harmful. It’s a form of assault. Whether or not you acquiesce to the assault or ‘want’ the assault doesn’t change the nature of the assault.

. . .

It isn’t possible to categorically state that all heterosexual intercourse is not rape when what men do to express “love” for women (sex/PIV) is the same as what they do to express contempt for women (rape/PIV).

In the comments, this moron refuses to clarify on her position of lesbian penetrative sex, by repeatedly saying "this is an article is about heterosexual sex, and if I wanted to write about lesbians, I'd write about lesbians."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 09, 2014, 11:37:09 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on September 09, 2014, 11:15:02 pm
Someone I follow posted a quote from a blog that talked about how "sex" is only taught as PIV and doesn't teach how to properly please women, so I clicked the blog link.

It turned into a "all PIV sex is socially conditioned rape" diatribe. (http://anntagonist.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/let-me-slip-into-something-a-little-less-comfortable/) 

Quote
Some radical feminists outright state that all heterosexual intercourse is rape. Some radical feminists disagree and say that statement lacks nuance. A lot of heterosexual feminists say they feel personally insulted by the statement “all intercourse is rape” because they have had personal experience of PIV they wanted and PIV they didn’t want and have processed those experiences as different from each other. I understand that. It makes me uncomfortable too. The whole subject of PIV makes me uncomfortable. I endured it for more than ten years of my life until I discovered radical feminism, read FCM’s Intercourse Series, had my mind blown and quit it. I feel like it’s impossible to get a sense of clarity about PIV and what it does to your psyche until you stop doing it and this is because of the trauma bonding that FCM talks about. Women who are still engaging in heterosexual relationships feel particularly uncomfortable with the suggestion that all intercourse is rape because it means acknowledging firstly that the man you share your bed with is a rapist and secondly, that you possess virtually no social power or bodily autonomy. These are hard things to face.

Another thing that’s hard for women to accept is that we do not own our sexualities. There is not a woman alive today who has an authentic sexuality of her own. All women have been groomed to be penis receptacles in a cultural narrative of man-meets-woman-man-puts-penis-in-woman’s-vagina. We are told we like putting things in our vaginas, especially penises, and that’s about the end of it.

. . .

Women are acquiescing consenting to all this shit because they literally do not know any different. Until I discovered radical feminism, it hadn’t even occurred to me that I could refuse.

. . .

(http://www.amon-hen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/sad_sheldon.gif)

Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on September 09, 2014, 11:15:02 pm
Quote
PIV can be justified as ‘always rape’ because it always involves the weaponization of the penis against a woman on a girl. The woman may ‘enjoy’ the sensation of having a penis inside her but she wouldn’t be the first woman in the world to eroticize her own subordination as a means of coping with it. Men know that every single time they stick their dicks in a woman, they’re putting her  at risk of pregnancy. They know that pregnancy can kill women. They know that if they cause a pregnancy to occur they can walk away at any time with no major social consequences. They know what kind of harm’s way they’re putting us in but they really like ejaculating inside us so they do it anyway.

The thing with PIV is that, much like BDSM, it doesn’t really matter how much you like it and how free you think your choice is when you make it; the activity in itself is inherently harmful. It’s a form of assault. Whether or not you acquiesce to the assault or ‘want’ the assault doesn’t change the nature of the assault.

. . .

It isn’t possible to categorically state that all heterosexual intercourse is not rape when what men do to express “love” for women (sex/PIV) is the same as what they do to express contempt for women (rape/PIV).

In the comments, this moron refuses to clarify on her position of lesbian penetrative sex, by repeatedly saying "this is an article is about heterosexual sex, and if I wanted to write about lesbians, I'd write about lesbians."

BEHOLD! I GIVE YOU, A PENIS!

(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111205104227/uncyclopedia/images/1/12/1972_Walther_PP.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on September 09, 2014, 11:55:26 pm
A penis is a fucking weapon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 10, 2014, 12:00:17 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on September 09, 2014, 11:55:26 pm
A penis is a fucking weapon.

I... is that an expletive, or a descriptive...?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 10, 2014, 12:01:34 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 10, 2014, 12:00:17 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on September 09, 2014, 11:55:26 pm
A penis is a fucking weapon.

I... is that an expletive, or a descriptive...?

Neither, it's a reference. (http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=71770)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 10, 2014, 01:59:43 am
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/7f1b95936288e1117a3afad2ff0c974d/tumblr_nbnq6kqpof1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

How can someone talk so much about themselves while simultaneously have no personality whatsoever?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 10, 2014, 03:07:54 am
I think this one has been swirlied so many times its brain has become scrambled. Because I refuse to think this...this creature...made it through High School okay when I got a hard time the first two years.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on September 10, 2014, 04:50:26 am
The most worrying thing is that his/her/vaer kintypes all happen to be villains.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on September 10, 2014, 07:18:51 pm
Quote from: Beezlebub on September 10, 2014, 04:50:26 am
The most worrying thing is that his/her/vaer kintypes all happen to be villains.

I was gonna say "Wait a minute here..."

Also... contract?~
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 11, 2014, 07:54:55 pm
Quote
Friendly reminder that lesbians are part of the patriarchy

Are you on a lead paint diet or something?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 11, 2014, 08:01:59 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 11, 2014, 07:54:55 pm
Quote
Friendly reminder that lesbians are part of the patriarchy

Are you on a lead paint diet or something?
This makes absolutely no sense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 11, 2014, 08:06:32 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 11, 2014, 08:01:59 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 11, 2014, 07:54:55 pm
Quote
Friendly reminder that lesbians are part of the patriarchy

Are you on a lead paint diet or something?
This makes absolutely no sense.
In other news, grass is green and water is wet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 11, 2014, 08:11:30 pm
I am the Patriarchy, you're the Patriarchy...

We're all the Patriarchy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 11, 2014, 08:54:14 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 11, 2014, 07:54:55 pm
Quote
Friendly reminder that lesbians are part of the patriarchy

Are you on a lead paint diet or something?

.....HOW THE FUCK ARE LESBIANS PART OF THE PATRIARCHY?  DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THE PATRIARCHY IS YOU SPAGHETTI EATING FUCK!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 11, 2014, 09:04:26 pm
Quote from: ironbite on September 11, 2014, 08:54:14 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 11, 2014, 07:54:55 pm
Quote
Friendly reminder that lesbians are part of the patriarchy

Are you on a lead paint diet or something?

.....HOW THE FUCK ARE LESBIANS PART OF THE PATRIARCHY?  DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THE PATRIARCHY IS YOU SPAGHETTI EATING FUCK!?
As a marinara-sexual spaghetti-kin, I'm extremely triggered by your insensitive remarks, you privilege-denying dudebro.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 11, 2014, 09:06:03 pm
It could be OP's some kind of a troll.

If they had said "Cis-lesbians" or "Gays" or something I'd buy it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 11, 2014, 09:06:13 pm
Fuck you you special snowflake.  I take extreme offense to you calling me a dudebro.  I am clearly a robot from the Planet Cybertron you ignorant fuck.

Ironbite-check your privileged next time at the fucking door.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 11, 2014, 09:16:14 pm
Check my privilege? CHECK MY PRIVILEGE?! Your treatment of myself and other Pastas of Colour is NOT OKAY, you heteronormaitve cissexual brogrammer. ([flower]*_*)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 11, 2014, 09:46:19 pm
Vaguely on topic... do we even have a topic to be on anymore...?  Anyways.

You know the whole "Nice guys" stereotype with the fedora, the neckbeard, the bragging about intelligence and being a "new atheist", and so forth?  And, you know, m'lady and pretentious stuff like that.

I wonder if such a thing exists for gay men.  If so, would they call themselves...

"Nice gays"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 11, 2014, 10:13:06 pm
Ask our resident horns gay man!

HEY, HOF!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 11, 2014, 11:41:56 pm
This is a rather complicated one because the "Worst of" is the anons RESPONDING to the guy I'm quoting.  So... I'm gonna be denoting the entire conversation with "Good guy" and "Bad Anon" just so everyone knows who I'm complaining about.  (Note: Due to anon, I have no idea if these are different people or the same person.  Probably different people.)

Good Guy:
wow okay great tumblr recommended me a blog with sexual obese weight gain acceptance and gif set of some obese guy jiggling his stomach in slow motion. Thanks tumblr, for making me see this.

Bad Anon:
Being morbidly obese and proud of it is much more normal than wanting to fuck a cartoon character.

Good Guy:
(http://media.tumblr.com/b697ce3dcc236ce001a6fe6b35b05a47/tumblr_inline_nbqib3DA2G1qky2vk.jpg)

Bad Anon:
I've told people about how they should embrace they're weight and always give them positive comments about their bellies but people get offended and lash out. Its sickening when people are so cruel when I point our they're weight gain, they should be proud and not wasting they're time and money losing it. you fat shamers sicken me.

Good Guy:
You’re not the judge of someone else’s choice of lifestyle or their body image. You don’t tell someone they’re gaining weight and expect them to be okay with it just because you are. These people have every right to be offended.

After that, it was mostly just business as usual, until...

Bad Anon:
You support anorexia and unattainable body types yet you are trying to tell me about not being the judge of body image? Accepting weight gain and morbid obesity is the highest of praise when it comes to body acceptance. We are a welcoming community that loves the big and haughty. Not the skinny, frail and weak or muscle bound obsessed freaks.

Good Guy:
I never did say I support anorexia or superficial body types. I said you shouldn’t be the judge of how others live their lifestyle and and how they view their body type. You say you’re a welcoming community and that there is a level of praise when it comes to body acceptance? I don’t think you understand how little sense that makes with how you ended this by talking down to “skinny, frail and weak or muscle bound obsessed freaks”. You get pissy because someone admits they just don’t care for your preferred body type? And then whine about how they should or else they’re suddenly terrible.

Good Anon:
I have to say that Anon's being rather bitchy not everyone enjoys being overweight sometimes things pile on and the motivation to do stuff is gone but plenty go out and work their asses off I mean look at Chris Pratt from Guardians of the Galaxy he was on the slightly chubby side but he went out and worked his ass off

Good Guy:
I’m mostly proud of actual people I know who took the challenge and went through the struggle to lose weight and achieve their dream body~

Bad Anon:
says the guy who collects wrist thin melon boob barbie dolls and gets a gross boner over a retarded monkey wearing a tie.

Good Guy:
That’s just a hobby of mine because I’m a sucker for fashion and I love styling hair. As for Donkey Kong well
(http://media.tumblr.com/f433e7fe5cc222da39b25ce6f9c43aaf/tumblr_inline_nbrqs9lEg71qky2vk.png)
I mean c'mon

And after that it's just good Anons.

Geez.  Fat acceptance shouldn't mean "YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF BEING BIG FATTY FAT FAT".  It should mean "You shouldn't be shamed for being fat, nor should you be held to an impossible standard, but if you don't meet your own standard, we'll support you in your efforts to get to that standard."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 14, 2014, 04:59:20 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/84064d95090a8b17bb0fd26d021eb36a/tumblr_nbuqj2UYf71sln4rfo2_500.png)

This person wanted to rack up some oppression points so they invented a slur against themselves.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 14, 2014, 05:07:13 pm
The fuck is Aro?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 14, 2014, 05:36:18 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on September 14, 2014, 05:07:13 pm
The fuck is Aro?
Aromantic?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 14, 2014, 05:42:40 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 14, 2014, 04:59:20 pm
*fucking tumblr shit*

This person wanted to rack up some oppression points so they invented a slur against themselves.

When I initiate my global domination plan, I'll really oppress these people. just for fun.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 14, 2014, 07:09:13 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on September 14, 2014, 05:07:13 pm
The fuck is Aro?

Aro?

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091107152718/twilightsaga/images/1/10/Normal_079n.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 14, 2014, 08:12:12 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 14, 2014, 05:36:18 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on September 14, 2014, 05:07:13 pm
The fuck is Aro?
Aromantic?
Is that what happens when benzene falls in love?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 14, 2014, 09:48:50 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 14, 2014, 08:12:12 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 14, 2014, 05:36:18 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on September 14, 2014, 05:07:13 pm
The fuck is Aro?
Aromantic?
Is that what happens when benzene falls in love?
Plz don't insult flame-kin UWU
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 14, 2014, 10:58:57 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 14, 2014, 04:59:20 pm
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/84064d95090a8b17bb0fd26d021eb36a/tumblr_nbuqj2UYf71sln4rfo2_500.png)

This person wanted to rack up some oppression points so they invented a slur against themselves.

If nobody has ever heard the 'slur' before, you're not reclaiming it by using it. You're popularising it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 14, 2014, 11:20:02 pm
Shut up, arobot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on September 15, 2014, 12:02:11 am
So does that mean I can whip myself and claim to be an abuse survivor?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 15, 2014, 08:09:21 am
Quote
ciswhiners
Follow

petition to send cis ppl to the moon with no life support

Troll.

Quote
#KillAllMen is not optional. It is something that must happen!

Ok, hold up. Before you go out after me and threaten to rip my guts out with your manly arms, hear me out. I am not saying we should murder you. We should just remove the CIS gendered side of you. The world would do so much better without men. There would be no more wars, murders, rapes or men for that matter. Cis genderism is something that people cling onto because they were raised by a cis gendered family. let go of your past, look toward the future. You want your children to be who they really are, don’t you?

And what if my kid wants to be cis? Hm? Oh, that's right, feeling comfortable in one's skin is a crime in loony SJW world.

Quote
i hope all cis people die sorry not sorrry

Posted by a fandom blogger. Lovely.

Quote
dont worry

white people will eventually die out as they’re the weaker race and don’t know how to handle tough times like us people of color. they will be extinguished soon.

Transethnic "white to black" posted this. I think it just makes it funnier.

Lock this guy in a room with the Stormfronters and enjoy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 15, 2014, 08:40:56 am
There are so many rage inducing or simply stupid statements in those quotes Niam posted but the one thing that rises to the top is "sorry not sorry."

I know it should not seem worse than supporting genocide but it just seems so dickish statement and I have never seen it used cleverly or by anyone who isn't an utter and pathetic asshole
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on September 15, 2014, 01:34:55 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 15, 2014, 08:09:21 am
Quote
#KillAllMen is not optional. It is something that must happen!

Ok, hold up. Before you go out after me and threaten to rip my guts out with your manly arms, hear me out. I am not saying we should murder you. We should just remove the CIS gendered side of you. The world would do so much better without men. There would be no more wars, murders, rapes or men for that matter. Cis genderism is something that people cling onto because they were raised by a cis gendered family. let go of your past, look toward the future. You want your children to be who they really are, don’t you?

The first rule of Tautology Club is the first of Tautology Club's rules.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 15, 2014, 04:50:51 pm
^ Tautological Templars will never not be stupid - we're right because we're right because we're right.

^^ Agreed - I looked at that one's account, and apparently its either a troll blog or someone frothingly insane.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 18, 2014, 11:20:24 pm
Well, there is that one women who thought we should have an international castration day.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 19, 2014, 12:05:11 am
You mean Femitheist Divine?

She says she was "just joking", but given her level of insanity, she's joking in the same way The Joker is always joking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on September 19, 2014, 12:28:14 am
I could have sworn I saw a half dozen castration day like posts from different people on CSTDT back in the day.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 19, 2014, 12:33:01 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on September 19, 2014, 12:28:14 am
I could have sworn I saw a half dozen castration day like posts from different people on CSTDT back in the day.
I'm guessing about 50 percent were trolls hoping to, uh, destroy the world?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on September 19, 2014, 04:40:08 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7RdHf6D.png)

Normally I just laugh through it, but holy shit did this piss me off.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 19, 2014, 07:24:44 am
Quote from: Kain on September 19, 2014, 04:40:08 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7RdHf6D.png)

Normally I just laugh through it, but holy shit did this piss me off.

That's a pretty big ol' leap of logic, right there, almost non-sequitur.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 19, 2014, 10:58:38 am
Quote from: Kain on September 19, 2014, 04:40:08 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7RdHf6D.png)

Normally I just laugh through it, but holy shit did this piss me off.

If manliness is a mental disorder, does that mean being against it is ableist?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 19, 2014, 11:34:48 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 19, 2014, 10:58:38 am
Quote from: Kain on September 19, 2014, 04:40:08 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7RdHf6D.png)

Normally I just laugh through it, but holy shit did this piss me off.

If manliness is a mental disorder, does that mean being against it is ableist?

Did you hear that "pop!" sound? That was the sound of all of the collective SJW brains a-splodin' simultaneously!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 19, 2014, 09:50:25 pm
Quote from: Kain on September 19, 2014, 04:40:08 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7RdHf6D.png)

Normally I just laugh through it, but holy shit did this piss me off.

(http://i.imgur.com/2N1gaTQ.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 19, 2014, 10:17:37 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 19, 2014, 09:50:25 pm
Quote from: Kain on September 19, 2014, 04:40:08 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7RdHf6D.png)

Normally I just laugh through it, but holy shit did this piss me off.

(http://i.imgur.com/2N1gaTQ.png)

I cannot possibly envision a scenario in which anyone would say that to their PSP. Especially when Phoenix Wright is a Nintendo exclusive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 20, 2014, 12:06:30 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 19, 2014, 10:17:37 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 19, 2014, 09:50:25 pm
Quote from: Kain on September 19, 2014, 04:40:08 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7RdHf6D.png)

Normally I just laugh through it, but holy shit did this piss me off.

(http://i.imgur.com/2N1gaTQ.png)

I cannot possibly envision a scenario in which anyone would say that to their PSP. Especially when Phoenix Wright is a Nintendo exclusive.
They are obviously talking to someone else while playing the PSP. It's just that they can't be bothered to hold eye contact with the person they speak to.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 20, 2014, 02:25:16 am
I think Art was taking the piss.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 21, 2014, 12:10:51 am

Quote
Honestly, I would feel no shame in abandoning my future child if it turns out to be a straight white boy. He won’t deserve my love and affection and warmth.

(http://i.imgur.com/PyfpOFG.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 21, 2014, 12:30:37 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 21, 2014, 12:10:51 am

Quote
Honestly, I would feel no shame in abandoning my future child if it turns out to be a straight white boy. He won’t deserve my love and affection and warmth.

(http://i.imgur.com/PyfpOFG.gif)

(http://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4289673728/h4B28FA8E/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on September 21, 2014, 01:16:39 am
But remember everyone, SJW are all about tolerance.  We're the ones who need to "check your privilege".

Speaking of which, just for fun, you too can check how privileged you are from this website:

http://www.checkmyprivilege.com/ (http://www.checkmyprivilege.com/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 21, 2014, 02:02:45 am
That reminds me.

You know that Boxtrolls movie?

An SJW declared it transphobic because... um...

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 21, 2014, 03:17:18 am
Quote from: Kat S. on September 21, 2014, 01:16:39 am
But remember everyone, SJW are all about tolerance.  We're the ones who need to "check your privilege".

Speaking of which, just for fun, you too can check how privileged you are from this website:

http://www.checkmyprivilege.com/ (http://www.checkmyprivilege.com/)

Quote
Privilege

Your privilege level is SHITLORD with a score of 135

WOOHOO!!! SUCK MY PRIVILEGE, BITCHES!

(http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/Minimanolo/28rcy86.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 21, 2014, 03:38:29 am
Jesus H, I'm "extremely oppressed" (-720!) just for being a transgender atheist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 21, 2014, 03:50:55 am
I got a score 0 and Advantaged.

I'm a nonreligious, affluent white straight cis college student. Dunno how that works, given that I'm apparently evil incarnate according to shitrichcollegekidssay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 21, 2014, 05:40:23 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 21, 2014, 03:50:55 am
I got a score 0 and Advantaged.

I'm a nonreligious, affluent white straight cis college student. Dunno how that works, given that I'm apparently evil incarnate according to shitrichcollegekidssay.
An affluent white straight cis male that isn't a shitlord dragonkin-oppressing stack of kindling? Wow, that's new.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 21, 2014, 05:42:15 am
I got a score of 30 and Advantaged.

I'm a nonreligious, poor white straight cis worker bee. I /might/ have also put myself down as demonkin, due to something of a joke since I have such a strong muse for a certain hellcat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 21, 2014, 07:06:37 am
Privilege
Your privilege level is Disadvantaged with a score of -100.

I guess being an atheist out-of-school student (dirt poor) with depression hits pretty hard! This is complete bull, though. I don't have it as bad as others, and it pisses me off that people take pity on me just because my head's on wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: jackdaw on September 21, 2014, 09:05:32 am
Quote from: Kat S. on September 21, 2014, 01:16:39 am
But remember everyone, SJW are all about tolerance.  We're the ones who need to "check your privilege".

Speaking of which, just for fun, you too can check how privileged you are from this website:

http://www.checkmyprivilege.com/ (http://www.checkmyprivilege.com/)

I'm very  offended That this quiz didn't' have  New Zealand in It,
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 21, 2014, 10:52:31 am
Between -90 and -35 depending on how I choose to interpret some questions. Living in Latin America is doing most of the work there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 21, 2014, 11:08:44 am
I'm a 170 shitlord!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on September 21, 2014, 11:12:36 am
I got -160, extremely oppressed... somehow :P. I think it was the therianthropy what did it.. also I may have marked myself "deaf" because there's no "deaf in one ear" option but yeah, apparently I can be oppressed despite being a white, albeit gay, male. This is hilarious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 21, 2014, 11:43:22 am
I wonder if it considers certain things together.  I mean, a black person in Botswana is almost certainly more "privileged" than one in, say, Italy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 21, 2014, 12:25:13 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 21, 2014, 11:43:22 am
I wonder if it considers certain things together.  I mean, a black person in Botswana is almost certainly more "privileged" than one in, say, Italy.

That would go against the SJW Creed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on September 21, 2014, 12:28:47 pm
"Your privilege level is SHITLORD with a score of 165"

I guess being a white cis male Christian from the USA did most of that; my bisexuality and current lack of job didn't really count for much there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 21, 2014, 01:15:39 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on September 21, 2014, 12:28:47 pm
"Your privilege level is SHITLORD with a score of 165"

I guess being a white cis male Christian from the USA did most of that; my bisexuality and current lack of job didn't really count for much there.

I may be a straight white cis male SHITLORD, but my score is 140 so I can tell you to check your privilege. Clearly my New Atheism plight turned the tables.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on September 21, 2014, 01:29:20 pm
Depending on how I interpreted the questions, My score is either a 109 Shitlord or a -190 Extremely Oppressed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on September 21, 2014, 01:31:08 pm
As a human, non-religious, Jobless, broke, short, cis, straight, white, American, average-looking, though underweight (neither of which is there an option for) male with aspergers, I get SHITLORD with 135 if aspergers doesn't count as social autism, and 115 (which is still SHITLORD)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on September 21, 2014, 02:21:05 pm
I'm a 100 SHITLORD. (Then I went back, gave completely fake answers and got Extremely Oppressed with a score of -2455.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on September 21, 2014, 03:30:05 pm
I went through it and checked every single answer for every question at the same time and got a score of -3970.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 21, 2014, 03:38:10 pm
How about some rape apology, everyone?

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/bd5f5a50b1cbad3fb878cf619389e79f/tumblr_nbth0shHpg1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://whyweprotest.net/attachments/stupid-people-gif.236638/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 21, 2014, 04:03:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 21, 2014, 11:43:22 am
I wonder if it considers certain things together.  I mean, a black person in Botswana is almost certainly more "privileged" than one in, say, Italy.

I doubt it.  Thinking of something like that would require removing one's head from their ass, ceasing to be American centric, and that would result in the cessation of being an SJW.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 21, 2014, 04:32:04 pm
Quote from: Randomwolf42 on September 21, 2014, 11:12:36 am
I got -160, extremely oppressed... somehow :P. I think it was the therianthropy what did it.. also I may have marked myself "deaf" because there's no "deaf in one ear" option but yeah, apparently I can be oppressed despite being a white, albeit gay, male. This is hilarious.
What about otherkin, you do literally think you're a wolf?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 21, 2014, 05:37:03 pm
So, this post was made on tumblr:

Quote
i really can’t stand those “why are some people cishet that’s so boring why not be trans and/or gay”-type posts because they perpetuate the idea that your gender identity and sexual orientation are a choice and that’s exactly why sexual and gender minorities get attacked and murdered

great job on Not Thinking

And the tumblr SJW community are just tearing it apart because "you're invalidating those queer people who do choose their sexuality/gender" and are accusing the OP of victim blaming minorities for getting murdered.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 21, 2014, 05:38:38 pm
I have to wonder, if you can choose your sexuality, why anyone would choose to be anything other than bisexual. It gives you the most acceptance in the wider public community, without having to fight for anything, and you get the widest range of potential attractive partners.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 21, 2014, 05:44:03 pm
From what I've seen, they're basically saying this about people who willingly switch sexualities to "find themselves when they feel they don't quite fit".  It still doesn't change the fact that the SJW community has blown the OP's post way out of proportion and shoved words in their mouth in the name of "acceptance".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 21, 2014, 05:53:02 pm
Quote from: Damen on September 21, 2014, 03:38:10 pm
How about some rape apology, everyone?

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/bd5f5a50b1cbad3fb878cf619389e79f/tumblr_nbth0shHpg1ryeto5o1_500.png)

(http://whyweprotest.net/attachments/stupid-people-gif.236638/)
What a well thought out argument veganperson, I cannot comprehend the shear logic of this statement with my oppressive mind!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on September 21, 2014, 11:29:31 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 21, 2014, 04:32:04 pm
Quote from: Randomwolf42 on September 21, 2014, 11:12:36 am
I got -160, extremely oppressed... somehow :P. I think it was the therianthropy what did it.. also I may have marked myself "deaf" because there's no "deaf in one ear" option but yeah, apparently I can be oppressed despite being a white, albeit gay, male. This is hilarious.
What about otherkin, you do literally think you're a wolf?
If you really want to know, for me this actually goes back to WAAAAAY before the otherkin thing exploded on tumblr among idiots, back when there was a distinction (that is, therians being real animals, otherkin being pretty strictly mythical creatures. Otherkin were always more... out there than therians.) People used to be a lot less stupid about it back in the day. Doesn't matter though... I'm not even really comfortable talking about it anymore... anyways, carry on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on September 22, 2014, 12:12:27 am
Quote from: Ghoti on September 21, 2014, 03:38:29 am
Jesus H, I'm "extremely oppressed" (-720!) just for being a transgender atheist.

I filled it out for a starving African child and got -730.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 22, 2014, 12:47:53 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 21, 2014, 05:53:02 pm

What a well thought out argument veganperson, I cannot comprehend the shear logic of this statement with my oppressive mind!

Shear logic is the best kind of logic because when someone disagrees with you you can...
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 22, 2014, 05:52:00 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on September 22, 2014, 12:12:27 am
Quote from: Ghoti on September 21, 2014, 03:38:29 am
Jesus H, I'm "extremely oppressed" (-720!) just for being a transgender atheist.

I filled it out for a starving African child and got -730.

I filled it out accurately and got 155.  I'd say ya'll can suck it, but you'd have to pay your yearly salary just for the privilege of seeing my penis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 22, 2014, 10:27:43 pm
It looks like the SJWs have started burning books:

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2qtzk8y.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on September 22, 2014, 11:20:03 pm
I decided to go take a test at last after putting it off (scared that it would be some anti-Social Justice shit). I just rank a -5 (Disadvantaged).

Talking points are unemployed (student, really), bisexual, "social autistic," overweight (points added for "attractive face"), non-religious and genderqueer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 22, 2014, 11:48:10 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 22, 2014, 10:27:43 pm
It looks like the SJWs have started burning books:

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2qtzk8y.jpg)
Eh, the book itself is pretty dumb (I've read about it and it's apparently about how boys have it worse than girls or something) but ethical and free speech dilemmas aside, wouldn't it be better to Burn something by Rush Limbaugh or maybe just some big-name MRA?

 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 23, 2014, 12:47:58 am
Burning books sends the wrong message - it doesn't say that you're powerful or independent. It says "I am deeply afraid of what this book says, and I need it destroyed".

It is not a message a progressive needs to send.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 23, 2014, 01:13:32 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 22, 2014, 05:52:00 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on September 22, 2014, 12:12:27 am
Quote from: Ghoti on September 21, 2014, 03:38:29 am
Jesus H, I'm "extremely oppressed" (-720!) just for being a transgender atheist.

I filled it out for a starving African child and got -730.

I filled it out accurately and got 155.  I'd say ya'll can suck it, but you'd have to pay your yearly salary just for the privilege of seeing my penis.

....I can just about feel the privilege coming off of you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 23, 2014, 01:23:10 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 23, 2014, 12:47:58 am
Burning books sends the wrong message - it doesn't say that you're powerful or independent. It says "I am deeply afraid of what this book says, and I need it destroyed".

It is not a message a progressive needs to send.

Bingo
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 23, 2014, 01:32:25 am
Yeah, the image apparently created some big outcry one the internet.
As you can guess a bunch of MRA's and "Equalists" are all "FEMINAZIS IS A H8 MOVEMENT!!!"
So basically the book burning has the exact opposite effect as intended.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 23, 2014, 01:34:33 am
I'm honestly not too interested in the MRA reaction to the picture. That's predictable and obvious.

The important question is: What is the reaction of self-described "feminists" to the picture? Do they support it because C.H. Sommers is anti-female or some shit like that, or do they oppose the burning of her book?

EDIT: After all, the reaction of the community is important. Just like when you see the Spokane Police Guild giving Karl Thompson a standing ovation when he's convicted for murder, the feminist community supporting a picture like this would be a clear indictment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 23, 2014, 01:49:38 am
Depends on where we're talking about.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 23, 2014, 08:55:58 am
Quote from: ironbite on September 23, 2014, 01:13:32 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 22, 2014, 05:52:00 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on September 22, 2014, 12:12:27 am
Quote from: Ghoti on September 21, 2014, 03:38:29 am
Jesus H, I'm "extremely oppressed" (-720!) just for being a transgender atheist.

I filled it out for a starving African child and got -730.

I filled it out accurately and got 155.  I'd say ya'll can suck it, but you'd have to pay your yearly salary just for the privilege of seeing my penis.

....I can just about feel the privilege coming off of you.

God damn right!  Don't stand too close, or my privilege radiation might give you privilege tumors.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on September 23, 2014, 12:50:30 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 22, 2014, 10:27:43 pm
It looks like the SJWs have started burning books:

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2qtzk8y.jpg)

If that's a book, it's a damn short one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 25, 2014, 12:08:15 am
What's most interesting is that the author of that book is also a feminist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 25, 2014, 12:16:29 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 25, 2014, 12:08:15 am
What's most interesting is that the author of that book is also a feminist.
Well yes, but her ideologies tend to be, lets say, "misinformed".
She says boys are the ones on the wrong side of the gender gap, that third wave feminism is full of man-haters, that all major obstacles for women are gone, and that Joseph Stalin  was actually a decent guy.
(Okay, I made up that last one)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 25, 2014, 12:18:41 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 25, 2014, 12:16:29 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on September 25, 2014, 12:08:15 am
What's most interesting is that the author of that book is also a feminist.
Well yes, but her ideologies tend to be, lets say, "misinformed".
She says boys are the ones on the wrong side of the gender gap, that third wave feminism is full of man-haters, that all major obstacles for women are gone, and that Joseph Stalin  was actually a decent guy.
(Okay, I made up that last one)

I disagree with her sometimes, but I think she raises many good points.  As a father myself, I know exactly where she's coming from.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 25, 2014, 12:20:01 am
Not gonna get into a C.H. Sommers debate, but I think we can all agree that no matte rhow "misguided" or "misinformed" her views are, they're still in good faith, and more importantly, she doesn't deserve having her books burned like they're some sort of heresy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 25, 2014, 12:22:02 am
B-b-b-but freedom of speech!  How dare you criticize someone when they're using freedom of speech!

Just kidding.  Burning a book just shows you fear the ideas in it, as was said earlier.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 25, 2014, 06:16:16 am
Quote
Just to be clear...

Eating animals and the things that come out of them is species-based violence.

Eating farmed animals and the things that come out of them is gender-based violence.

Eating farmed animals and the things that come out of them is reproductive violence.

Veganism is a concrete and impactful way to take a stand against identity-based violence and the exploitation of other individuals’ reproductive systems.

Ah, the psycho-vegan. So if a wolf eats a cow, is that species-based violence? Oh, right, only wrong if humans are doing it.

I wonder how many people in the Animal Liberation tag are members of the ALF? Did nobody tell them what happened to the last big name terrorist to pester the United States?

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 25, 2014, 06:19:15 am
Quote from: Magus Silveresti on September 25, 2014, 12:22:02 am
B-b-b-but freedom of speech!  How dare you criticize someone when they're using freedom of speech!

Just kidding.  Burning a book just shows you fear the ideas in it, as was said earlier.

A man criticizing a feminists opinion? Sounds like somebody needs to CHECK THEIR PRIVILEGE
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 25, 2014, 06:24:50 am
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waves.
i'm an agender boy i like he/him/his pronouns but i'm not QUITE a boy but want to be treated as such, with people keeping in mind i'm not COMPLETELY a boy at all mostly.

God, I hope this is a poe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on September 25, 2014, 07:29:51 am
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 25, 2014, 07:32:42 am
I get the impression that George is trolling.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 26, 2014, 07:11:15 pm
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/837/319/5a2.png)

Yeah, because telling women what to think totally isn't misogynistic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on September 27, 2014, 12:32:09 am
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ09X31lzvzlau-nXGHZTlpVmqTwsHrVBDkwcsWHxJaURBwmTcY)

So much wrong in this text box.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 27, 2014, 12:39:34 am
What the fuck is "female culture"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on September 27, 2014, 12:46:24 am
Okay, as long as minorities don't get a say in white culture and women don't get a say in male culture! But I doubt they'd be okay with that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 27, 2014, 03:00:41 am
Minorities using electricity is appropriation, pls stop.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 27, 2014, 03:11:26 am
"minority culture"

There is a world outside your house OP.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 27, 2014, 04:50:20 am
Posting for the OP quotes:

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/96326924ea61620c00699347a2caaa04/tumblr_nak9bpXBPV1tb1gaqo1_500.png)

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/d7125aafe8b4c931220b281931cace12/tumblr_nak9bpXBPV1tb1gaqo2_500.png)

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/ecd5e2691743081b9b19de02e5dd76f1/tumblr_nak9bpXBPV1tb1gaqo10_r3_500.png)

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/d3bc4f825fbf191eab42078a8335a111/tumblr_inline_nalddkEgqX1r6wqgv.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mythbuster43 on September 27, 2014, 08:34:52 am
Quote from: Kat S. on September 27, 2014, 12:32:09 am
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ09X31lzvzlau-nXGHZTlpVmqTwsHrVBDkwcsWHxJaURBwmTcY)

So much wrong in this text box.

He's right about it not being reverse racism or reverse sexism. It's just plain old racism and sexism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 27, 2014, 10:14:01 am
Quote from: mythbuster43 on September 27, 2014, 08:34:52 am
Quote from: Kat S. on September 27, 2014, 12:32:09 am
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ09X31lzvzlau-nXGHZTlpVmqTwsHrVBDkwcsWHxJaURBwmTcY)

So much wrong in this text box.

He's right about it not being reverse racism or reverse sexism. It's just plain old racism and sexism.

So, having a opinion = racism. Good to know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 27, 2014, 11:52:00 am
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(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ09X31lzvzlau-nXGHZTlpVmqTwsHrVBDkwcsWHxJaURBwmTcY)


I'm not even sure what "it's how the world works" is supposed to mean in this situation. It is an empirical fact that white people do have opinions on other cultures. You can say they shouldn't have them, or that they shouldn't be listened to, but that's not "how the world works". At best, it's how you would like the world to work.

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(https://31.media.tumblr.com/d3bc4f825fbf191eab42078a8335a111/tumblr_inline_nalddkEgqX1r6wqgv.png)
I was going to apologise and say I'd stop, but then I realised it would also be cultural appropriation to understand English so I cannot in good conscience read that message until they repeat it in Spanish. Which they can't, because that's cultural appropriation.

(I expect it's a troll, but still)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 27, 2014, 07:02:57 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/o45Lu3s.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 28, 2014, 03:13:06 am
He's not...totally wrong in that statement.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 28, 2014, 11:27:25 am
Debatable. But either way, the problematic part is not so much the factual accuracy as the fact that someone can say that without realising the pattern he's matching to ("Not all Muslims are terrorists, but..." "Not all black men are thugs, but..." "Not all women are whores, but..."). The unspoken implication is often that "negative behaviour X is more common among group Y, this revels something fundamentally wrong about group Y". Was he trying to say that? Probably not. But the obliviousness bothers me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 28, 2014, 01:48:09 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 28, 2014, 11:27:25 am
Debatable. But either way, the problematic part is not so much the factual accuracy as the fact that someone can say that without realising the pattern he's matching to ("Not all Muslims are terrorists, but..." "Not all black men are thugs, but..." "Not all women are whores, but..."). The unspoken implication is often that "negative behaviour X is more common among group Y, this revels something fundamentally wrong about group Y". Was he trying to say that? Probably not. But the obliviousness bothers me.
And now Ultimate Paragon exclaims "I think you just hit the nail on the head!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 28, 2014, 01:50:37 pm
And then Witchyjoshy disagrees with Paragon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 28, 2014, 01:51:36 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 28, 2014, 01:48:09 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 28, 2014, 11:27:25 am
Debatable. But either way, the problematic part is not so much the factual accuracy as the fact that someone can say that without realising the pattern he's matching to ("Not all Muslims are terrorists, but..." "Not all black men are thugs, but..." "Not all women are whores, but..."). The unspoken implication is often that "negative behaviour X is more common among group Y, this revels something fundamentally wrong about group Y". Was he trying to say that? Probably not. But the obliviousness bothers me.
And now Ultimate Paragon exclaims "I think you just hit the nail on the head!"
Beat me to it.   ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 28, 2014, 01:52:10 pm
And then Ironchew disagrees with Witchyjoshy.

And then SCMM responds.

And then I am lizard says something irrelevant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 28, 2014, 01:55:01 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 28, 2014, 01:52:10 pm
And then Ironchew disagrees with Witchyjoshy.

And then SCMM responds.

And then I am lizard says something irrelevant.

We've got a pretty good dynamic here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on September 28, 2014, 03:24:41 pm
Here at FQA, we're nothing if not predictable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 28, 2014, 03:52:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 28, 2014, 01:48:09 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 28, 2014, 11:27:25 am
Debatable. But either way, the problematic part is not so much the factual accuracy as the fact that someone can say that without realising the pattern he's matching to ("Not all Muslims are terrorists, but..." "Not all black men are thugs, but..." "Not all women are whores, but..."). The unspoken implication is often that "negative behaviour X is more common among group Y, this revels something fundamentally wrong about group Y". Was he trying to say that? Probably not. But the obliviousness bothers me.
And now Ultimate Paragon exclaims "I think you just hit the nail on the head!"

So you're at that stage in your relationship when you start completing each others sentences?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 28, 2014, 04:33:48 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 28, 2014, 01:50:37 pm
And then Witchyjoshy disagrees with Paragon.
Quote from: I am lizard on September 28, 2014, 01:52:10 pm
And then Ironchew disagrees with Witchyjoshy.

And then SCMM responds.

And then I am lizard says something irrelevant.

Actually, I found Sigma's response quite reasonable and would have agreed with Ultimate Paragon if I felt arsed enough to post my opinion on this matter.

No idea what Ironchew would have said though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on September 28, 2014, 04:58:41 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 28, 2014, 03:24:41 pm
Here at FQA, we're nothing if not predictable.

That's because our attributes arise due to pressures in the forum environment and drift generated by occasional variation over time, rather than any overarching intelligent design. This means that the conversations get gradually more complex but not - as common misconception holds - any more intelligent or "better".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 28, 2014, 05:34:00 pm
Quote from: Sixth Monarchist on September 28, 2014, 04:58:41 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on September 28, 2014, 03:24:41 pm
Here at FQA, we're nothing if not predictable.

That's because our attributes arise due to pressures in the forum environment and drift generated by occasional variation over time, rather than any overarching intelligent design. This means that the conversations get gradually more complex but not - as common misconception holds - any more intelligent or "better".

How did that make perfect sense?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on September 28, 2014, 05:39:34 pm
The fact that Sixth's Forum title is God scares me more than his observation, considering the terrifying intimate knowledge of our respective psyches in that post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on September 28, 2014, 06:20:38 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 28, 2014, 11:27:25 am
Debatable. But either way, the problematic part is not so much the factual accuracy as the fact that someone can say that without realising the pattern he's matching to ("Not all Muslims are terrorists, but..." "Not all black men are thugs, but..." "Not all women are whores, but..."). The unspoken implication is often that "negative behaviour X is more common among group Y, this revels something fundamentally wrong about group Y". Was he trying to say that? Probably not. But the obliviousness bothers me.

It's the exact same thing as the "poisoned M&M" analogy. It implies that because a fraction -- even a small fraction -- is bad, the entire group should be treated with fear and distrust.

As always, it's only considered appropriate to apply it to traditional "oppressor" groups like white people and men. Because they think that racism and sexism literally don't apply to whoever's in power.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 28, 2014, 08:24:59 pm
I suppose s/he could simply be pointing out that using the phrase to jack conversations is irrelevant at best.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 29, 2014, 02:42:56 am
http://www.peta.org/blog/peta-tells-hunters-anglers-watching-land-sea/

Not creepy at all, PETA. Not creepy at all./sarcasm
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 29, 2014, 03:55:13 am
....they're deploying submersible drones into areas where fishermen are......BWHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 29, 2014, 06:05:28 am
Well, this will make any instances of redneck hunters interesting - who wants to bet they'll think PETA's drones are "big gubmint drones" and start shooting?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 29, 2014, 08:05:20 am
Quote from: ironbite on September 29, 2014, 03:55:13 am
....they're deploying submersible drones into areas where fishermen are......BWHAHAHAHAHA!

I think its high time we engage in the age old tradition of dynamite fishing, don't you, Ironbite?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 29, 2014, 08:29:47 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 29, 2014, 02:42:56 am
http://www.peta.org/blog/peta-tells-hunters-anglers-watching-land-sea/

Not creepy at all, PETA. Not creepy at all./sarcasm

I'm willing to bet hunters are gonna see this as a challenge and start shooting them out of the sky.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 29, 2014, 08:31:37 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on September 29, 2014, 08:29:47 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 29, 2014, 02:42:56 am
http://www.peta.org/blog/peta-tells-hunters-anglers-watching-land-sea/

Not creepy at all, PETA. Not creepy at all./sarcasm

I'm willing to bet hunters are gonna see this as a challenge and start shooting them out of the sky.

I'm not sure you'll find many submersible drones in the sky.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 29, 2014, 09:24:44 am
Well, it said land AND sea. Besides, just because the drone is underwater isn't gonna stop somebody who is determined to stick it to the libruls.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 29, 2014, 07:45:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/SPOMR7N.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 29, 2014, 09:01:15 pm
So who are these people going around and forcefully turning women who like pumpkin into demons? Since when has genetic engineering been anywhere near a state where such a thing was possible?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 29, 2014, 09:38:24 pm
Genetic engineering? Ha! All you need is a black mass, a human sacrifice, and a little bit of Halloween candy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 29, 2014, 09:39:30 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on September 29, 2014, 07:45:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/SPOMR7N.png)
I feel there's some context to this maybe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 30, 2014, 12:44:43 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 29, 2014, 09:01:15 pm
So who are these people going around and forcefully turning women who like pumpkin into demons? Since when has genetic engineering been anywhere near a state where such a thing was possible?

You use magic, not science you idiot!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 30, 2014, 01:19:32 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 29, 2014, 09:01:15 pm
So who are these people going around and forcefully turning women who like pumpkin into demons? Since when has genetic engineering been anywhere near a state where such a thing was possible?
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/demonize

Quote
Portray as wicked and threatening
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 30, 2014, 01:24:28 am
Except the Tumblrina in question said "literally" demonise. Portraying as wicked or unsavoury, or "demon-like", if you will, is figurative, while to "literally demonise" would mean to turn something into a demon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 30, 2014, 01:25:09 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 29, 2014, 09:39:30 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on September 29, 2014, 07:45:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/SPOMR7N.png)
I feel there's some context to this maybe.
Starbucks pumpkin spice lattes are somewhat of an obsession among "basic" white girls, and apparently pointing that out is just terrible.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 30, 2014, 02:52:12 am
I have seen pumpkin scones at my local Starbucks.

Maybe if I feed my sister one, she'll turn into Vypra, and kill people with the power of fire and hilariously bad acting!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on September 30, 2014, 03:33:20 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 30, 2014, 01:24:28 am
Except the Tumblrina in question said "literally" demonise. Portraying as wicked or unsavoury, or "demon-like", if you will, is figurative, while to "literally demonise" would mean to turn something into a demon.

Mmm, technically, askold's correct, because that IS the literal definition of demonize - to portray something as evil.

On the other hand, I like your version better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 30, 2014, 03:51:35 am
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on September 30, 2014, 03:33:20 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 30, 2014, 01:24:28 am
Except the Tumblrina in question said "literally" demonise. Portraying as wicked or unsavoury, or "demon-like", if you will, is figurative, while to "literally demonise" would mean to turn something into a demon.

Mmm, technically, askold's correct

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hou0lU8WMgo
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 30, 2014, 08:48:00 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 29, 2014, 09:38:24 pm
Genetic engineering? Ha! All you need is a black mass, a human sacrifice, and a little bit of Halloween candy.

Hey, candy corn is absolutely evil.  There's a reason nobody eats it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on September 30, 2014, 10:53:48 am
Hidden for size:
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I'm sure it's your friends that are the "problematic" ones.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 30, 2014, 11:38:43 am
"lol im so edgy i dont care about ur straight cis feelings"

And I don't give a fuck about your feelings you useless sack of mostly water, I'm sure your "friends" hate you just as much.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 30, 2014, 02:32:05 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByumyIYCUAIsHt-.png)

So instead, we should gently remind Mario to jump on the goomba?  Maybe cars are misogynistic too, they have precise controls.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 30, 2014, 02:58:39 pm
Is this guy fucking serious?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on September 30, 2014, 03:32:10 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on September 29, 2014, 09:24:44 am
Well, it said land AND sea. Besides, just because the drone is underwater isn't gonna stop somebody who is determined to stick it to the libruls.

Yeah, it's called dynamite fishing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 30, 2014, 04:06:08 pm
My dynamite is special; its radioactive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 01, 2014, 04:13:52 pm
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It's official, radflakes are dangerous.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on October 01, 2014, 05:14:09 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 01, 2014, 04:13:52 pm
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It's official, radflakes are dangerous.

It's not a complete round of creep-shaming without the death threats and rape threats, apparently. Just when I think I've got the social justice movement figured out, they do weird shit like this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 01, 2014, 05:18:50 pm
... I think some alien civilization just needs to glass us.  Seriously.  Galaxy would be better off, if this is the kind of shit that happens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 01, 2014, 05:30:59 pm
Radflakes: We just wanted to ruin a man's life, and given its a CISHET MAN its justified!! We're always justified because we're right!!

That is basically their "logic".

They just care that they can bully people now, and get away with it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 01, 2014, 06:00:46 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 01, 2014, 05:14:09 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 01, 2014, 04:13:52 pm
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It's official, radflakes are dangerous.

It's not a complete round of creep-shaming without the death threats and rape threats, apparently. Just when I think I've got the social justice movement figured out, they do weird shit like this.
I hate it when the terms like creep shaming can be used and actually have a basis in reality...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on October 01, 2014, 06:08:14 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 01, 2014, 06:00:46 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 01, 2014, 05:14:09 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 01, 2014, 04:13:52 pm
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It's official, radflakes are dangerous.

It's not a complete round of creep-shaming without the death threats and rape threats, apparently. Just when I think I've got the social justice movement figured out, they do weird shit like this.
I hate it when the terms like creep shaming can be used and actually have a basis in reality...
It's even more fun when you're from somewhere where 16 is legal so it's odd, but not massively/illegally creepy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 01, 2014, 06:34:48 pm
Quote from: starseeker on October 01, 2014, 06:08:14 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 01, 2014, 06:00:46 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 01, 2014, 05:14:09 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 01, 2014, 04:13:52 pm
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It's official, radflakes are dangerous.

It's not a complete round of creep-shaming without the death threats and rape threats, apparently. Just when I think I've got the social justice movement figured out, they do weird shit like this.
I hate it when the terms like creep shaming can be used and actually have a basis in reality...
It's even more fun when you're from somewhere where 16 is legal so it's odd, but not massively/illegally creepy.
16 seems a bit young.

Either way, at worst the guy needed to phrase what he meant better, he didn't go "I want to fuck your pussy so hard!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on October 01, 2014, 06:42:30 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 01, 2014, 06:34:48 pm
Quote from: starseeker on October 01, 2014, 06:08:14 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 01, 2014, 06:00:46 pm
I hate it when the terms like creep shaming can be used and actually have a basis in reality...
It's even more fun when you're from somewhere where 16 is legal so it's odd, but not massively/illegally creepy.
16 seems a bit young.

Either way, at worst the guy needed to phrase what he meant better, he didn't go "I want to fuck your pussy so hard!"

16 is the age of consent in several U.S. states. Not like the guy wanted to have sex with her in the first place, but you wouldn't know that talking to the tumblrinas.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 02, 2014, 09:05:45 pm
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I’m v v pro “transtrenders”.

Explore your gender. Shit’s hella fluid anyway. Shit changes.

Take no shit. Have no fear. Mamma bear queers like me got your back.


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have u ever read a poem? or taken a 10th grade language arts class (u probably would have 2 read a poem here is why i ask)?

have u ever heard someone describe their sadness as black? or their heart as empty? or heard someone say their tummy was full of bats or butterflies trying to crawl up their throat?

these r (if u didnt know?) ways ppl describe their feelings!!!! and gender is like. suuuuuuch a feeling. gender is a feeling.. like 3000% percent. and like. u can use these words to describe feelings? some ppl (myself included) have a hard time not describing their feelings like this, using colors and textures and scents and such

so like…. dont even get mad when someone says the feeling in the pit of their chest they percieve as a gender feelnig is like. dark and cold and like the ocean. like. chill…..

gender is a feeling! and. ppl can decribe their feelings in ways

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“As a Tomgirl, Intersex of Female Soul with Male Body, and a Tranny Cross-Dresser, I am in full support for Human Equal Rights for everyone.”
—     Christian Weston Chandler

This one terrifies me.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on October 02, 2014, 09:14:11 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on October 02, 2014, 09:05:45 pm
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have u ever read a poem? or taken a 10th grade language arts class (u probably would have 2 read a poem here is why i ask)?

10/10. I like how he gets snobby about English class while setting off all my spelling/grammar Nazi triggers.

Quote from: niam2023 on October 02, 2014, 09:05:45 pm
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“As a Tomgirl, Intersex of Female Soul with Male Body, and a Tranny Cross-Dresser, I am in full support for Human Equal Rights for everyone.”
—     Christian Weston Chandler

This one terrifies me.

I thought he was a gaaaaaaaaaaaybian?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on October 02, 2014, 09:22:28 pm
I want to ask the second one if they've ever taken a language arts class after reading their spelling and writing, but then I've seen some of what constitutes "passing" an English class. Now that I think about it, I kind of want to read some of the essays written by the kids I went to school with, I bet they'd be terrible in their raw form. It's so bad that I've had people I asked to proofread my essays ask me if it's really all my own writing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 03, 2014, 12:02:28 am
(http://i.imgur.com/XWSiyRY.jpg)

"Do you even know what rape is?"

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 03, 2014, 01:22:25 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 03, 2014, 12:02:28 am
"Do you even know what rape is?"
Quite.

...I hate when people try to make rape mean things that aren't rape. I don't see the point.

If someone is leering at you, that is wrong and they should stop that but it is not "rape." By trying to make "rape" stand for everything unwanted people are in fact making things worse for the real rape victims.

Speficically because since now people are arguing what is and what isn't rape and things like having sex with someone who has passed out (which is rape) is suddenly on the "gray area" because it is in the same category as... *googling randomly*

Quote from: trillslut:

    It seems like there’s a lot of debate over what counts as rape or not nowadays. Let me explain something for you dudebro MRAs out there:

    Rape: Noun: the act of you putting your penis ANYWHERE near a woman

    Simple as that. I’m tired of people trying to justify that shit. Because…

So any time someone with a penis is near a woman that is "literally rape" and just as bad as someone forcibly (or with threat of force) having sex with someone who does not want to have sex.

Thank you SJWs and radflakes, I am sure that centuries from now you will be remembered in the history books for your hard work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 03, 2014, 01:32:07 am
By that retarded definition, I and every other man on the planet has raped every single women we've passed on the street. Possibly those on the other side of the road and driving by in their cars as well, depending on how you define "near".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 03, 2014, 01:39:32 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 03, 2014, 01:32:07 am
By that retarded definition, I and every other man on the planet has raped every single women we've passed on the street. Possibly those on the other side of the road and driving by in their cars as well, depending on how you define "near".
It also means that all those women who thought they had consented to sex were in fact rape victims (I actually remember several comments about how all PIV sex is rape) and their opinions do not matter. By reducing rape to something like this the radflakes are ignoring women who want to have sex with men and treating them like kids who should not be allowed to make decisions for themselves.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 03, 2014, 07:56:07 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 03, 2014, 12:02:28 am
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"Do you even know what rape is?"

Bro, do you even lift?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 03, 2014, 05:42:19 pm
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...This is too stupid for words.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 03, 2014, 06:44:05 pm
Its official - the Social Justice Warriors went so far to the left, they ended up at the right.

Literally using the exact same words as white supremacists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 03, 2014, 06:54:38 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on October 03, 2014, 06:44:05 pm
Its official - the Social Justice Warriors went so far to the left, they ended up at the right.

Literally using the exact same words as white supremacists.
(http://www.illustrationsof.com/royalty-free-horseshoe-clipart-illustration-230859.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 03, 2014, 11:48:55 pm
Translation: Segregation is okay as long as you do it my way!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 04, 2014, 08:52:52 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 03, 2014, 11:48:55 pm
Translation: Segregation is okay as long as you do it my way!

To quote a song by Uncle Ruckus: "Wadn't nothin wrong with slav'ry, least we got good food back then"

(I'd do a "to the tragically humour-impaired thing," but I really can't be arsed.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 06, 2014, 06:54:04 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/ndvhg8.jpg)

I'm not sure if this is real, but if it is...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 06, 2014, 07:07:49 pm
It's a troll, the whites can't be raped thing was started by 4chan in order to "destroy feminism" or something.

If it said men can't be raped then I would believe it was legit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rageaholic on October 06, 2014, 09:47:20 pm
I don't know what to think about atheists against retsuprae (http://atheistsagainstrp.tumblr.com/).  On one hand, yeah, it's typical social justice crap that spams tumblr.  On the other hand, fuck Retsuprea.  I've seen the harm them and their asshole fans have done to LPers: a lot of them who are just normal teenagers who want to have fun in their spare time.  But there's also a lot of stupid crap on that site such as

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SIGH…It’s impossible to be racist against whites, because they hold the institutional power. It’s possible to hold some racial prejudice against whites, but that’s NOT the same as racism and does not deserve the same consideration. Fighting racism isn’t going to make white people’s lives easier, whites are the ones that benefit from it.

Literally every university teaches this now, there’s no excuse for your ignorance.

Also, far down they criticize the Retsuprea guys for telling people to google the actress Kat Dennings.  Apparently, that's encouraging cyber stalking.   ::)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 14, 2014, 06:58:44 am
I was going to write about the "Grape juice controversy" but then I saw this: http://gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/thoughts-on-lightning-returns-and-cultural-appropriation-spoilers/

The writer is complaining about some game I had not heard before. A Quick Ask.com search revealed that it was the latest(?) Final fantasy game. ...I am kinda disappointed that I haven't played any FF games after X and can't even keep up with them now.

Anyway, apparently the story of the game has been influenced by religions a lot. The characters and background take some names from Christian and Norse mythology and there is a religious organisation that seems to be slightly based on the Catholic church (At least the architecture is similar form what I see in the article.) What does this have to do with cultural appropriation? Well, taking anything from another culture is obviously appropriation and since Christianity and Norse aren't asian religions (at least according to SJW logic) this is wrong-bad.

Though the writer also complains how the game takes really little from these religions into the game. Everytime Thor does something that the mythological Thor did not it is seen as an attack against Norse faith. When there is something in the game that did not happen in the Bible this is seen as an attempt to distort the Bible. ...Really.

And then there is the final debate on wether or not this counts as cultural appropriation:

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What exactly does and does not count as cultural appropriation is always tricky to pin down. Myself, I would say that although Lightning Returns is a bizarre and misinterpretation of Catholic Christianity, I would not call it cultural appropriation, simply because of the context of the two cultures in question. While Japan did not suffer as many ill effects of Western colonial oppression as other Asian countries, it still left an indelible mark on Japanese society. And in general, it is certainly true that Christianity was often a tool of colonial oppression.

And yes Japan does have a history of colonialism itself, and yes it does have a problem with racism against non-Yamato-Japanese. But Japan has never colonized the West, nor has it attempted to forcibly convert Western people or otherwise destroy Western religion. And bizarrely-worded t-shirts aside, it certainly doesn’t have a history of selling misrepresentations of Western religion and culture for profit in such a way that would comprise a threat to the integrity of said religion and culture.

So while Lightning Returns is a deeply weird take on Christianity that some might find offensive (I don’t, but I could understand people who do), I don’t think it’s fair to call it cultural appropriation.

...So, if western developer had done something like this using Hinduism and Aztec mythology that would have been wrong, but since the Japanese haven't opressed the west (note that the writer acknowledges the bad things the Japanese have done but says that these do not count since the victims were mostly other asians) the Japanese cannot be quilty of stealing western culture...

And what the hell does it matter if someones ancestor did something bad to another persons ancestor? Why does that matter when discussing things that happen now?

...AARGH!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 14, 2014, 07:49:33 am
To be fair, Final Fantasy has been co-opting names of religious icons for some time now.  Hell, you can even summon Odin in some of 'em.  Not that Odin is at all recognizable as our Odin, but the name's still there.  They've been at this a while, and its no more appropriation than when a Western developer uses parts of something like Shinto or Buddhism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on October 14, 2014, 10:31:46 am
PZ has really shitty reading comprehension today.

General Harris instructs liberals to surrender on the home front (http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/10/14/general-harris-instructs-liberals-to-surrender-on-the-home-front/)

The "contentious" quote in question:

Quote from: Sam Harris
Liberals have really failed on the topic of theocracy. They’ll criticize white theocracy, they’ll criticize Christians. They’ll still get agitated over the abortion clinic bombing that happened in 1984. But when you want to talk about the treatment of women and homosexuals and free thinkers and public intellectuals in the Muslim world, I would argue that liberals have failed us.

PZ's funhouse interpretation:

Quote from: PZ Myers
Hell yes, I’m still agitated over any abortion clinic bombing. Shouldn’t we all be? I’m also agitated over female genital mutilation and shooting girls who want an education in Pakistan. I can be frustrated by all the onslaughts against modernity everywhere; I don’t treat it as a failure of liberalism that American women are fighting for their rights at home as a priority

Sam was criticizing attention given to the abortion bombing, really? Every time I read that quote it sounds like one of his examples of issues liberals should be agitated about and he was making his point in the last sentence, but no, obviously PZ cut through all the subtext and unveiled his monstrous misogyny, 'cuz, y'know, social justice. I'm not the only one that thought he had it wrong, either; a few rational comments here and there are being eviscerated by PZ's sycophants because PZ's intent is magic.

It almost makes me wish I weren't banned for saying "butthurt" (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=4479.msg244718#msg244718) so I could get banned today for calling them a bunch of semi-literate morons.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 14, 2014, 03:40:06 pm
Last time I read PZ's blog he was pretty much on point with his criticisms, when did he get this goofy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on October 14, 2014, 04:40:18 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on October 14, 2014, 03:40:06 pm
Last time I read PZ's blog he was pretty much on point with his criticisms, when did he get this goofy?

The groupthink from the pack of wolves commenting on his blog must have finally gotten to him.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 14, 2014, 08:07:56 pm
Askold and Ravy:  Let's NOT get into Final Fantasy Tactics, where the bad guys are an explicitly corrupt church taken over by demons...

Never mind Phunbaba being a boss in FF6, Ashura being a summon in FF4, Alexander's a common one himself in multiple games, Hades in FF7, Diablo in 8...


... I can do this all fuckin' day, because I'm a fanboy that still owns their original FF1 cartridge for the NES and it's my prize jewel of my game collection.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on October 14, 2014, 08:53:50 pm
Not exactly social justice but...

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bpdabed:
ppl w dandruff are beautiful and cool reblog if u agree
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 14, 2014, 09:05:03 pm
Fuck societal beauty standards. End crabs shaming now!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 14, 2014, 10:43:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/BiWXybg.jpg)

Well wtf are you then, an Irken invader?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 14, 2014, 11:49:54 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on October 14, 2014, 03:40:06 pm
Last time I read PZ's blog he was pretty much on point with his criticisms, when did he get this goofy?

PZ has this thing where he declares someone an enemy and from that point on he can only possibly interpret anything they say in the worst possible way. He doesn't like Harris because of some stupid comments he made re: Muslims and women, ergo, anything Harris says is Islamophobic/misogynistic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 15, 2014, 12:01:52 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 14, 2014, 10:43:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/BiWXybg.jpg)

Well wtf are you then, an Irken invader?
That would be if they were from deviantart.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 15, 2014, 04:05:39 am
Cerim Treascair, and RavynousHunter:

Japanese artists and writers have often taken names and imagery from western myths while making fiction. Often it is simply used "because it sounds foreign" or "because we wanted something mystical." It is not supposed to be 100% accurate use of the source material.

Western fiction has also used myths similarly. Are "Golems" in D&D 100% honest representation of the Jewish mythology? Flesh golems, iron golems...

Other mythologies are also used in fiction commonly with varying degrees of "accuracy." Stargate used a lot of myths but made it so that the myths were based on alien races. Should someone be furious that Ra is supposed to be a god not some alien overlord?

It is just that the "go make me a sandwich" seems to assume that any reference to something should be 100% accurate AND does not understand that someone might not MEAN to make a 100% accurate representation of a myth or religion in a fictional story.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on October 15, 2014, 01:48:42 pm
Quote from: askold on October 15, 2014, 04:05:39 am
Cerim Treascair, and RavynousHunter:

Japanese artists and writers have often taken names and imagery from western myths while making fiction. Often it is simply used "because it sounds foreign" or "because we wanted something mystical." It is not supposed to be 100% accurate use of the source material.

Western fiction has also used myths similarly. Are "Golems" in D&D 100% honest representation of the Jewish mythology? Flesh golems, iron golems...

Other mythologies are also used in fiction commonly with varying degrees of "accuracy." Stargate used a lot of myths but made it so that the myths were based on alien races. Should someone be furious that Ra is supposed to be a god not some alien overlord?

It is just that the "go make me a sandwich" seems to assume that any reference to something should be 100% accurate AND does not understand that someone might not MEAN to make a 100% accurate representation of a myth or religion in a fictional story.
That's without even taking into account that since mythology is (was) a living subject, there is no perfectly accurate representation of mythology. Case in point : Anubis, defender of the sun against the night, or brother-killer waging war on his nephew Orus? Depends on the story and the era of the myth. Myth and stories change with time, and so do cultures and their components (from food to dress to rituals and whanot)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 15, 2014, 06:06:34 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on October 15, 2014, 01:48:42 pm
Quote from: askold on October 15, 2014, 04:05:39 am
Cerim Treascair, and RavynousHunter:

Japanese artists and writers have often taken names and imagery from western myths while making fiction. Often it is simply used "because it sounds foreign" or "because we wanted something mystical." It is not supposed to be 100% accurate use of the source material.

Western fiction has also used myths similarly. Are "Golems" in D&D 100% honest representation of the Jewish mythology? Flesh golems, iron golems...

Other mythologies are also used in fiction commonly with varying degrees of "accuracy." Stargate used a lot of myths but made it so that the myths were based on alien races. Should someone be furious that Ra is supposed to be a god not some alien overlord?

It is just that the "go make me a sandwich" seems to assume that any reference to something should be 100% accurate AND does not understand that someone might not MEAN to make a 100% accurate representation of a myth or religion in a fictional story.
That's without even taking into account that since mythology is (was) a living subject, there is no perfectly accurate representation of mythology. Case in point : Anubis, defender of the sun against the night, or brother-killer waging war on his nephew Orus? Depends on the story and the era of the myth. Myth and stories change with time, and so do cultures and their components (from food to dress to rituals and whanot)

Fair points.  I yield, in that regard.  I'm not well-read enough.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on October 16, 2014, 12:01:48 am
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people calling themselves “queer” just lets me know that they’re probably privileged enough for it to never have been used against them as a slur lol

"How dare those gay people not agree with me that queer is the most offensive slur ever and have no problems using it?"  And yeah, this isn't about straight people throwing the word around, it's about gay people who freely use the word.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on October 16, 2014, 12:14:40 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 15, 2014, 08:25:23 pm
Another thing that bothers me about PZ is that he still comes across as kind of nasty when it comes to talking about religious people (I'm sorry, but that "Wafergate" thing was totally immature regardless of how unhinged people's reactions were).

I thought crackergate was hilarious; it was PZ at his best.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 18, 2014, 08:13:14 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/849/885/f7c.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 18, 2014, 08:17:14 pm
Polygon loves its clickbait, apparently. Even Kotaku would be proud.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mythbuster43 on October 18, 2014, 08:31:17 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 16, 2014, 12:14:40 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 15, 2014, 08:25:23 pm
Another thing that bothers me about PZ is that he still comes across as kind of nasty when it comes to talking about religious people (I'm sorry, but that "Wafergate" thing was totally immature regardless of how unhinged people's reactions were).

I thought crackergate was hilarious; it was PZ at his best.

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Considering how people's reactions to the incident were completely bashit insane (they were almost identical to the Jihadists who calling for a fatwa on the Danish cartoonist who drew Muhammed), I have no qualms whatsoever about PZ's "heinous cracker abuse" joke. They were asking for it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:09:58 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 18, 2014, 08:13:14 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/849/885/f7c.jpg)
I wonder if this is some weird trolling thing to stir up controversy in hopes of boosting profits from the resulting arguments.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 18, 2014, 10:14:00 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:09:58 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 18, 2014, 08:13:14 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/849/885/f7c.jpg)
I wonder if this is some weird trolling thing to stir up controversy in hopes of boosting profits from the resulting arguments.
Gee, ya think?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:56:39 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 18, 2014, 10:14:00 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:09:58 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 18, 2014, 08:13:14 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/849/885/f7c.jpg)
I wonder if this is some weird trolling thing to stir up controversy in hopes of boosting profits from the resulting arguments.
Gee, ya think?
Another possibility is that Valve takes a long time to release things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 19, 2014, 02:58:52 am
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/1a3f386f01e82fe403f556df3d19bce9/tumblr_ndkejlxKd51rq01f1o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on October 19, 2014, 03:46:07 am
Today in started off good but then went wrong theatre...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 19, 2014, 06:26:25 am
Wait, you can rape people with your eyes? Shit, I've gotta make a lot of apologies...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 19, 2014, 06:29:22 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on October 19, 2014, 06:26:25 am
Wait, you can rape people with your eyes? Shit, I've gotta make a lot of apologies...
Actually you technically can. Though I don't think ripping out your eyeballs and shoving them in someone else's ass/vagina sans their approval is really what that Tumblrina had in mind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 19, 2014, 06:48:56 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/3014450abbb4ddcce737692be3776097/tumblr_nch9bwoncf1u00qgto1_500.png)
I'm saving this as shitthatneverhappened.jpg
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/0e4d6ee9ebbf6ed846c92a3ea9ac4915/tumblr_ncxcsacVcS1u00qgto1_1280.png)
No you're not. You know what you are? Devoid of personality.
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/e1ad05e5a4c7bef0aeb689e9e1bb6404/tumblr_ncs9p1kdEE1u00qgto1_500.png)
How does someone this immature even function?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 19, 2014, 07:04:40 am
Quote from: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:56:39 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 18, 2014, 10:14:00 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:09:58 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 18, 2014, 08:13:14 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/849/885/f7c.jpg)
I wonder if this is some weird trolling thing to stir up controversy in hopes of boosting profits from the resulting arguments.
Gee, ya think?
Another possibility is that Valve takes a long time to release things.

I just see that and think. "Someone doesn't like me on the internet".

*shrugs*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 19, 2014, 08:11:04 am
Quote from: Ghoti on October 19, 2014, 06:48:56 am
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/e1ad05e5a4c7bef0aeb689e9e1bb6404/tumblr_ncs9p1kdEE1u00qgto1_500.png)
Bit of an ego there. ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 19, 2014, 10:36:21 am
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I believe I am a fennec god living in a human vessel...

No, you don't. If you did believe that, you would know for certain and state it as fact: "I am a fennec god". That you couch it in terms of opinion shows that not even you buy that bullshit.

And that's alright. It's not like anybody cares that you want to pretend to be a fennec god on the internet, your hobbies are your hobbies. But it would be nice if you didn't have to phrase it as an act of aggressive assertion of identity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 19, 2014, 05:08:56 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 19, 2014, 06:48:56 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/3014450abbb4ddcce737692be3776097/tumblr_nch9bwoncf1u00qgto1_500.png)

We've come full circle! They're now making the exact same argument that homophobes make. Amazing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 19, 2014, 08:36:10 pm
I know this is a tangent but I always thought the jokes about prison rape weren't because the victim was a man - rather the victim was a criminal or bad person. Many times a sex offender themselves. The joke being about poetic justice or comeuppance. Rather than simply being a man themselves.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 19, 2014, 09:08:57 pm
As well as trivializing male rape it also obscures female experiences of rape that happen in prison-a lot.

The "fuck em, their criminals" attitude really amounts to an endorsement or rape under narrowly defined circumstances. If you prefer to passively let rapes happen when their prevention could be enforced by the state then you are signalling that you are in favor of it.

If that happens you are creating a part of our society where this type of torture is allowed, and some people living in that part of society will be released into the rest of society. Aside from just not wanting them to be raped because they are, you know, people-it's good to be mindful of that fact.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 19, 2014, 09:21:18 pm
I agree, rape is abhorrent, rape as a punishment (whatever gender the victim) even moreso.

I was just stating that the 'humour' in prison rape jokes is about revenge rather than misandry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 19, 2014, 09:25:44 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 19, 2014, 09:21:18 pm
I agree, rape is abhorrent, rape as a punishment (whatever gender the victim) even moreso.

I was just stating that the 'humour' in prison rape jokes is about revenge rather than misandry.

Mate, I'd never suggest that you were pro that sort of horrible fucking thing.

I didn't get that impression and sorry if I left the impression I did.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 19, 2014, 09:36:19 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 19, 2014, 08:31:28 pm

I dislike the whole "misandry" trend in feminism because the women who actually call themselves misandrists and joke about "killing all men," even ironically, show a complete disregard to the fact that there are other people in the world who face oppression besides women, such as men of color and gay, bi, and trans men. This is the same reason why I can't get behind prison rape jokes towards rapists; sexual assault against anyone is a crime and shouldn't be joked about just because the victim is a man.

^^^^
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 19, 2014, 09:37:35 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 19, 2014, 08:31:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:56:39 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 18, 2014, 10:14:00 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:09:58 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 18, 2014, 08:13:14 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/849/885/f7c.jpg)
I wonder if this is some weird trolling thing to stir up controversy in hopes of boosting profits from the resulting arguments.
Gee, ya think?
Another possibility is that Valve takes a long time to release things.

I dislike the whole "misandry" trend in feminism because the women who actually call themselves misandrists and joke about "killing all men," even ironically, show a complete disregard to the fact that there are other people in the world who face oppression besides women, such as men of color and gay, bi, and trans men. This is the same reason why I can't get behind prison rape jokes towards rapists; sexual assault against anyone is a crime and shouldn't be joked about just because the victim is a man.

Or because the victim is a criminal.  Nobody deserves rape.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 19, 2014, 09:44:32 pm
Well said.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on October 19, 2014, 10:36:14 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 19, 2014, 09:37:35 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 19, 2014, 08:31:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:56:39 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 18, 2014, 10:14:00 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:09:58 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 18, 2014, 08:13:14 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/849/885/f7c.jpg)
I wonder if this is some weird trolling thing to stir up controversy in hopes of boosting profits from the resulting arguments.
Gee, ya think?
Another possibility is that Valve takes a long time to release things.

I dislike the whole "misandry" trend in feminism because the women who actually call themselves misandrists and joke about "killing all men," even ironically, show a complete disregard to the fact that there are other people in the world who face oppression besides women, such as men of color and gay, bi, and trans men. This is the same reason why I can't get behind prison rape jokes towards rapists; sexual assault against anyone is a crime and shouldn't be joked about just because the victim is a man.

Or because the victim is a criminal.  Nobody deserves rape.

Yes, the main reason prison rape jokes are seen as acceptable (which they're not) is "well, they're criminals so they deserve it."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 19, 2014, 11:09:34 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 19, 2014, 08:35:37 pm
(http://i.gyazo.com/cbcc800a95f1c0dbd3911d114a56922c.png)

"CAFAB" is an acronym for "coercively assigned female at birth" and is a catch-all term for trans men and nonbinary people who were "born female." Apparently the person who wrote "cosigned" is a trans woman who was later outed as a rapist who also believes trans men are gender traitors and possibly the devil.
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 19, 2014, 11:12:44 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 19, 2014, 08:31:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:56:39 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 18, 2014, 10:14:00 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:09:58 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 18, 2014, 08:13:14 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/849/885/f7c.jpg)
I wonder if this is some weird trolling thing to stir up controversy in hopes of boosting profits from the resulting arguments.
Gee, ya think?
Another possibility is that Valve takes a long time to release things.

I dislike the whole "misandry" trend in feminism because the women who actually call themselves misandrists and joke about "killing all men," even ironically, show a complete disregard to the fact that there are other people in the world who face oppression besides women, such as men of color and gay, bi, and trans men. This is the same reason why I can't get behind prison rape jokes towards rapists; sexual assault against anyone is a crime and shouldn't be joked about just because the victim is a man.
Well, to be fair it's(ironic usage of the term misandry) mainly just mocking the bizarro world MRAs live in, but I see your point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on October 20, 2014, 02:53:16 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2014, 01:32:34 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 19, 2014, 09:21:18 pm
I agree, rape is abhorrent, rape as a punishment (whatever gender the victim) even moreso.

I was just stating that the 'humour' in prison rape jokes is about revenge rather than misandry.

I agree with you, but the thing is a lot of feminists justify these jokes by saying misandry isn't a thing. That might be true, but it doesn't mean men can't be oppressed for other reasons (racism, heterosexism, classism, etc.)

Case in point: People tend to be way more tolerant of lesbians than they are of gay men.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 20, 2014, 02:55:09 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2014, 01:32:34 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 19, 2014, 09:21:18 pm
I agree, rape is abhorrent, rape as a punishment (whatever gender the victim) even moreso.

I was just stating that the 'humour' in prison rape jokes is about revenge rather than misandry.

I agree with you, but the thing is a lot of feminists justify these jokes by saying misandry isn't a thing. That might be true, but it doesn't mean men can't be oppressed for other reasons (racism, heterosexism, classism, etc.)

>Misandry
>Not a thing

Then I guess Valerie Solanas just really hated pop art.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on October 20, 2014, 03:32:09 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/otVJt85.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 20, 2014, 03:58:52 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on October 20, 2014, 02:53:16 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2014, 01:32:34 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 19, 2014, 09:21:18 pm
I agree, rape is abhorrent, rape as a punishment (whatever gender the victim) even moreso.

I was just stating that the 'humour' in prison rape jokes is about revenge rather than misandry.

I agree with you, but the thing is a lot of feminists justify these jokes by saying misandry isn't a thing. That might be true, but it doesn't mean men can't be oppressed for other reasons (racism, heterosexism, classism, etc.)

Case in point: People tend to be way more tolerant of lesbians than they are of gay men.
Being sexualized is not the same as being tolerated.

A better example would be that black men are more likely to be arrested and receive harsher sentences than pretty much every other demographic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 20, 2014, 03:59:29 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 20, 2014, 02:55:09 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2014, 01:32:34 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 19, 2014, 09:21:18 pm
I agree, rape is abhorrent, rape as a punishment (whatever gender the victim) even moreso.

I was just stating that the 'humour' in prison rape jokes is about revenge rather than misandry.

I agree with you, but the thing is a lot of feminists justify these jokes by saying misandry isn't a thing. That might be true, but it doesn't mean men can't be oppressed for other reasons (racism, heterosexism, classism, etc.)

>Misandry
>Not a thing

False, explain Tumblr.
Ftfy
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 20, 2014, 04:31:34 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/qs7arq.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on October 20, 2014, 04:56:21 pm
....I...yeah I got nothing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 20, 2014, 05:03:30 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2014, 05:00:03 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 20, 2014, 04:31:34 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/qs7arq.jpg)

Knowing Fckh8, this is probably false. Not that there aren't legitimate reasons why some people dislike them, but this isn't one of them.

Well, considering the fact that Fckh8's basically the LGBTQIA-rights equivalent of PETA, I honestly couldn't tell.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 20, 2014, 05:34:32 pm
http://www.peta.org/features/peta-presidents-grisly-will/

Speaking of PETA, this lady, I mean, I knew Ingrid Newkirk was absolutely bugfuck insane, I knew she was a card carrying lunatic, but these requests out of her will leave me one hundred percent convinced she's worse than even I thought possible.

Human foie gras, ladies and gents. Mounting her eye in the EPA office. Delivering her hand to Ringling Bros circus.

At what point do we say "LADY, YOU MAKE THE JOKER LOOK SUBTLE!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 20, 2014, 06:03:29 pm
At least she's not requesting that her head be mailed to Batman's cave.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 20, 2014, 06:08:03 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2014, 05:24:37 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 20, 2014, 05:03:30 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2014, 05:00:03 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 20, 2014, 04:31:34 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/qs7arq.jpg)

Knowing Fckh8, this is probably false. Not that there aren't legitimate reasons why some people dislike them, but this isn't one of them.

Well, considering the fact that Fckh8's basically the LGBTQIA-rights equivalent of PETA, I honestly couldn't tell.

If you think Fckh8 is the "LGBTQIA-rights equivalent of PETA," you clearly don't know jack about the deep levels of wingnut crazy that disguises itself as "progressive." They have a history of stealing other people's artwork and once tried to send pro-LGBT coloring books to Russian families who hadn't asked for them (ignoring the fact that being caught with such a book could have serious legal repercussions), among other things. Some people also think many of their ad campaigns oversexualize lesbians, misgender transgender people, etc. When they're called out, they dismiss all criticism or delete comments and don't acknowledge what they did wrong.
Yeah, they're like that british asshole that was on CNN for a while.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 20, 2014, 06:36:58 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2014, 01:32:34 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 19, 2014, 09:21:18 pm
I agree, rape is abhorrent, rape as a punishment (whatever gender the victim) even moreso.

I was just stating that the 'humour' in prison rape jokes is about revenge rather than misandry.

I agree with you, but the thing is a lot of feminists justify these jokes by saying misandry isn't a thing. That might be true, but it doesn't mean men can't be oppressed for other reasons (racism, heterosexism, classism, etc.)

I would have to disagree that Misandry is not a thing. I am sure there are individuals (of both genders) who are misandrists. I would probably agree that there is no pervasive societal Misandry in most Western Culture(s). I suspect there isn't much in any cultures but honestly don't know enough about all cultures.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 20, 2014, 06:39:22 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on October 20, 2014, 05:34:32 pm
http://www.peta.org/features/peta-presidents-grisly-will/

Speaking of PETA, this lady, I mean, I knew Ingrid Newkirk was absolutely bugfuck insane, I knew she was a card carrying lunatic, but these requests out of her will leave me one hundred percent convinced she's worse than even I thought possible.

Human foie gras, ladies and gents. Mounting her eye in the EPA office. Delivering her hand to Ringling Bros circus.

At what point do we say "LADY, YOU MAKE THE JOKER LOOK SUBTLE!"
When dismemberment seems like a reasonable idea for getting your point across, it's time to step back and examine your life choices. I'd also like to point out that 1) sending body parts to people you dislike or disagree with is tv-serial-killer behavior and 2) none of the people who receive her body parts are obliged to keep them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 20, 2014, 06:43:58 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2014, 06:39:54 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 20, 2014, 06:36:58 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 20, 2014, 01:32:34 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 19, 2014, 09:21:18 pm
I agree, rape is abhorrent, rape as a punishment (whatever gender the victim) even moreso.

I was just stating that the 'humour' in prison rape jokes is about revenge rather than misandry.

I agree with you, but the thing is a lot of feminists justify these jokes by saying misandry isn't a thing. That might be true, but it doesn't mean men can't be oppressed for other reasons (racism, heterosexism, classism, etc.)

I would probably agree that there is no pervasive societal Misandry in most Western Culture(s)

This is basically what I meant, thank you. Of course "misandry" exists in the sense that there are people who identify as misandrists and dislike men, but it's not really a societal force that oppresses men in the same way misogyny oppresses women.

We are ad idem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on October 20, 2014, 09:15:51 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 20, 2014, 11:07:18 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on October 20, 2014, 05:34:32 pm
http://www.peta.org/features/peta-presidents-grisly-will/

Speaking of PETA, this lady, I mean, I knew Ingrid Newkirk was absolutely bugfuck insane, I knew she was a card carrying lunatic, but these requests out of her will leave me one hundred percent convinced she's worse than even I thought possible.

Human foie gras, ladies and gents. Mounting her eye in the EPA office. Delivering her hand to Ringling Bros circus.

At what point do we say "LADY, YOU MAKE THE JOKER LOOK SUBTLE!"

I like the way she thinks. I hope she manages to sort out all the legal and technical details to pull  it off.

Also, I wonder how much I need to piss off PETA to convince them to send me some body part. I mean, I don't think I'll qualify for the thumbs-down plaque, and most of the rest already has a destination in mind, but the will says the rest of her body can be disposed off however PETA likes. Maybe if I organise a massive pro-animal-testing movement they'll send me her skull or the other eye or something.

Or possibly I could go the other way around and promise to go vegan for a year. Maybe even combine them into a carrot-and-stick model.

If anyone from PETA is reading this, I'm open to negotiations/threats/extortion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rageaholic on October 21, 2014, 09:28:17 am
Quote from: I am lizard on October 18, 2014, 10:09:58 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 18, 2014, 08:13:14 pm
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/849/885/f7c.jpg)
I wonder if this is some weird trolling thing to stir up controversy in hopes of boosting profits from the resulting arguments.

Heh it works for Matt Walsh. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 21, 2014, 02:21:22 pm
Quote
I’m gonna need white people to stop trying to learn indigenous languages.
Part of you systemically murdering us all was robbing us of our mother tongues. You can fuck straight off into the deepest pit if you think you should just be allowed to learn a language we got butchered for speaking
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on October 21, 2014, 06:02:31 pm
Has anyone else noticed how the Social Justice Wanks seem to not be against discrimination, they just want to segregate whites?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 21, 2014, 06:07:57 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on October 21, 2014, 06:02:31 pm
Has anyone else noticed how the Social Justice Wanks seem to not be against discrimination, they just want to segregate whites?

I find it hilarious that both racists and radflakes are pro-segregation, but for completely different reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on October 21, 2014, 08:04:33 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 20, 2014, 06:39:22 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on October 20, 2014, 05:34:32 pm
http://www.peta.org/features/peta-presidents-grisly-will/

Speaking of PETA, this lady, I mean, I knew Ingrid Newkirk was absolutely bugfuck insane, I knew she was a card carrying lunatic, but these requests out of her will leave me one hundred percent convinced she's worse than even I thought possible.

Human foie gras, ladies and gents. Mounting her eye in the EPA office. Delivering her hand to Ringling Bros circus.

At what point do we say "LADY, YOU MAKE THE JOKER LOOK SUBTLE!"
When dismemberment seems like a reasonable idea for getting your point across, it's time to step back and examine your life choices. I'd also like to point out that 1) sending body parts to people you dislike or disagree with is tv-serial-killer behavior and 2) none of the people who receive her body parts are obliged to keep them.

Remember that story from the bible where a guy gave his concubines to an angry mob who wanted to rape him and when he found her dead, he cut her up and sent the parts to the other tribes? Somehow they were supposed to know these cut up body parts meant that the tribe of Benjamin was evil and had to be killed. Yeah, that makes sense. Also, the numbers of people involved in the subsequent battle is massively exaggerated. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gibeah (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gibeah)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 22, 2014, 02:48:00 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on October 21, 2014, 08:04:33 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 20, 2014, 06:39:22 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on October 20, 2014, 05:34:32 pm
http://www.peta.org/features/peta-presidents-grisly-will/

Speaking of PETA, this lady, I mean, I knew Ingrid Newkirk was absolutely bugfuck insane, I knew she was a card carrying lunatic, but these requests out of her will leave me one hundred percent convinced she's worse than even I thought possible.

Human foie gras, ladies and gents. Mounting her eye in the EPA office. Delivering her hand to Ringling Bros circus.

At what point do we say "LADY, YOU MAKE THE JOKER LOOK SUBTLE!"
When dismemberment seems like a reasonable idea for getting your point across, it's time to step back and examine your life choices. I'd also like to point out that 1) sending body parts to people you dislike or disagree with is tv-serial-killer behavior and 2) none of the people who receive her body parts are obliged to keep them.

Remember that story from the bible where a guy gave his concubines to an angry mob who wanted to rape him and when he found her dead, he cut her up and sent the parts to the other tribes? Somehow they were supposed to know these cut up body parts meant that the tribe of Benjamin was evil and had to be killed. Yeah, that makes sense. Also, the numbers of people involved in the subsequent battle is massively exaggerated. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gibeah (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gibeah)

It's funny because the story was nearly identical to the story of Sodom, only it was a concubine instead of daughters, and in Sodom, they refused because they wanted to rape the angels-disguised-as-men.  Or so Sunday School taught me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 22, 2014, 06:45:36 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 22, 2014, 05:41:55 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on October 21, 2014, 06:02:31 pm
Has anyone else noticed how the Social Justice Wanks seem to not be against discrimination, they just want to segregate whites?

I've literally never heard anyone say this.
You've never heard anyone say that, no, but it's obvious that's what radflakes are going for, even if they won't admit it. White racists say "get away from white culture, [racist slur]s, you ruin everything." Radflakes say "get away from any culture that's not Bimbo-bread white, crackers, you ruin everything".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 22, 2014, 07:51:10 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 22, 2014, 06:45:36 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 22, 2014, 05:41:55 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on October 21, 2014, 06:02:31 pm
Has anyone else noticed how the Social Justice Wanks seem to not be against discrimination, they just want to segregate whites?

I've literally never heard anyone say this.
You've never heard anyone say that, no, but it's obvious that's what radflakes are going for, even if they won't admit it. White racists say "get away from white culture, [racist slur]s, you ruin everything." Radflakes say "get away from any culture that's not Bimbo-bread white, crackers, you ruin everything".

This. You don't need to specifically say "Put the whites in ghettos" to demand segregation. Instead of outright saying it, they instead try to keep all cultures separate from one another....at least, ostensibly. In reality, cries of "cultural appropriation" are exclusively applied to white people engaging in any traditional non-white cultural aspects. All non-white cultures are lumped into a generic "POC" category that is morally and culturally superior to all European-descended cultures.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 22, 2014, 11:28:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/eclLTIP.png)

Ever fell asleep on your non-existent body parts?

(http://i.imgur.com/EDau0Ar.png)

Oh look, a SJW version of North Korea.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 23, 2014, 12:09:34 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 22, 2014, 11:28:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/eclLTIP.png)

Ever fell asleep on your non-existent body parts?
U sayin' wings don't exist bub?
(http://annaspizzava.com/images/buffalo-wings.jpg)
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 22, 2014, 11:28:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/EDau0Ar.png)

Oh look, a SJW version of North Korea.
I call bs on this one tbh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on October 23, 2014, 12:32:04 am
Yeah, I'm with lizard here. That's all too perfect for a conservative stereotype of an evil liberal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 23, 2014, 07:13:57 am
Yeah, that whole "re-educating" thing was pushing it just a little too far.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 23, 2014, 11:12:43 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on October 23, 2014, 07:13:57 am
Yeah, that whole "re-educating" thing was pushing it just a little too far.
Especially when you see how the pot is calling the kettle black, i.e., fundie Christian Bible Camps and other such cult-y programming shit for kids and teens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 24, 2014, 05:39:33 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/739/504/0e2.jpg)

I really hope this is a Poe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 24, 2014, 05:42:51 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 24, 2014, 05:39:33 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/739/504/0e2.jpg)

I really hope this is a Poe.

QFT for Taco-Bell-rey's sake. I mean, dude! This is one of those times that I really hope it's a poe, else the stupid might cause a supernova. It's already a singularity in itself, let's hope it's not worse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 24, 2014, 06:40:40 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 24, 2014, 05:39:33 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/739/504/0e2.jpg)

I really hope this is a Poe.
It's probably fake.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on October 24, 2014, 11:55:42 pm
Its the "like" in there, I cant help but here it in a teenage girls voice. Wouldnt take it seriously
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 01:12:03 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/853/688/c5b.png)

Congratulations, Anita!  You just crossed the line into utterly loathsome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on October 25, 2014, 01:22:10 pm
Holy shit, did I just read that?

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 25, 2014, 01:24:28 pm
Yes, you did indeed just read that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 25, 2014, 01:39:39 pm
If it's what I think she posted....she's not totally wrong.

Ironbite-I mean when was the last time a woman went on a shooting spree that made national news?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 01:42:37 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 25, 2014, 01:39:39 pm
If it's what I think she posted....she's not totally wrong.

Ironbite-I mean when was the last time a woman went on a shooting spree that made national news?

2006, I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goleta_postal_facility_shootings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goleta_postal_facility_shootings)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 25, 2014, 01:48:59 pm
No wonder it's women who drown their babies in the tub, it's that toxic feminism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 01:51:06 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 25, 2014, 01:39:39 pm
If it's what I think she posted....she's not totally wrong.

Ironbite-I mean when was the last time a woman went on a shooting spree that made national news?

"I mean, when was the last time a Christian committed a terrorist attack that made national news?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mythbuster43 on October 25, 2014, 02:25:27 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 01:12:03 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/853/688/c5b.png)

Congratulations, Anita!  You just crossed the line into utterly loathsome.

She might want to ask herself if this is the real reason she gets death threats a lot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 25, 2014, 03:24:30 pm
Once again, Anita makes a good point but hides it amidst quite a bit of inverted misogyny.

As a nation, we have tied violence and masculinity together as if they were two sides of the same coin.  Society may say, quite frequently, that violence is not the answer, but then the various authority figures will call such a thing "for pussies", and say that real men blah blah blah guns.

When you teach people that violence is an acceptable answer to a problem, then people will use it to deadly consequences.

Maybe we should start teaching men to be "more like women" while we're teaching women to be "more like men."

...Quotation marks because, obviously, gender roles are bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on October 25, 2014, 03:29:17 pm
But...but....difference feminism!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 25, 2014, 03:45:57 pm
Well that's interesting.  Any others?  That are similar to what happened yesterday.

Ironbite-one point of data does not a trend make.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 25, 2014, 03:58:10 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on October 25, 2014, 03:24:30 pm
Once again, Anita makes a good point but hides it amidst quite a bit of inverted misogyny.

As a nation, we have tied violence and masculinity together as if they were two sides of the same coin.  Society may say, quite frequently, that violence is not the answer, but then the various authority figures will call such a thing "for pussies", and say that real men blah blah blah guns.

When you teach people that violence is an acceptable answer to a problem, then people will use it to deadly consequences.

Maybe we should start teaching men to be "more like women" while we're teaching women to be "more like men."

...Quotation marks because, obviously, gender roles are bullshit.
I think she should have added some sources, right now it just feels to speculative.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 25, 2014, 04:19:58 pm
I agree. More women should participate in school shootings.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 25, 2014, 04:29:03 pm
Is it bad that I laughed?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 04:33:38 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on October 25, 2014, 03:24:30 pm
Once again, Anita makes a good point but hides it amidst quite a bit of inverted misogyny.

As a nation, we have tied violence and masculinity together as if they were two sides of the same coin.  Society may say, quite frequently, that violence is not the answer, but then the various authority figures will call such a thing "for pussies", and say that real men blah blah blah guns.

When you teach people that violence is an acceptable answer to a problem, then people will use it to deadly consequences.

Maybe we should start teaching men to be "more like women" while we're teaching women to be "more like men."

...Quotation marks because, obviously, gender roles are bullshit.

I'm not sure it all boils down to gender issues.  There's probably a very strong psychological and thus biological element to it, but I think the main problem lies in mental healthcare not being successful at intercepting destructive behavior.

"Social roles" are an important aspect of society but I seriously doubt ennui over one's role in society is enough for a guy to start shooting up everything he knows.

I really don't see what's erroneous about saying that these shootings happen because of mental illness.  They do.  You can't possibly reason with someone like that.  It wouldn't matter if we traveled back in time and had a conversation with them to discourage a certain belief and provided irrefutable evidence that they are wrong because they are not rational.  And it an't be expected for them to make them their decisions based on rational beliefs.  They will literally believe whatever they want and there's very little we can do besides treat them.

Adam Lanza was schizophrenic, Eric Harris was a textbook psychopath, Dylan Klebold had a severe inferiority complex, Seung-Hui Cho was also schizophrenic, James Holmes was declared legally insane, and Jared Lee Loughner is a paranoid schizophrenic.  I don't see why we would need to look much further.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 25, 2014, 06:37:36 pm
People have said that he was pissed over a breakup and based off recent tweets had lost it. EVERY man has been rejected by a woman during their lives. To actually go and shoot people because of it, that takes something else.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on October 25, 2014, 07:12:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 04:33:38 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on October 25, 2014, 03:24:30 pm
Once again, Anita makes a good point but hides it amidst quite a bit of inverted misogyny.

As a nation, we have tied violence and masculinity together as if they were two sides of the same coin.  Society may say, quite frequently, that violence is not the answer, but then the various authority figures will call such a thing "for pussies", and say that real men blah blah blah guns.

When you teach people that violence is an acceptable answer to a problem, then people will use it to deadly consequences.

Maybe we should start teaching men to be "more like women" while we're teaching women to be "more like men."

...Quotation marks because, obviously, gender roles are bullshit.

I'm not sure it all boils down to gender issues.  There's probably a very strong psychological and thus biological element to it, but I think the main problem lies in mental healthcare not being successful at intercepting destructive behavior.

"Social roles" are an important aspect of society but I seriously doubt ennui over one's role in society is enough for a guy to start shooting up everything he knows.

I really don't see what's erroneous about saying that these shootings happen because of mental illness.  They do.  You can't possibly reason with someone like that.  It wouldn't matter if we traveled back in time and had a conversation with them to discourage a certain belief and provided irrefutable evidence that they are wrong because they are not rational.  And it an't be expected for them to make them their decisions based on rational beliefs.  They will literally believe whatever they want and there's very little we can do besides treat them.

Adam Lanza was schizophrenic, Eric Harris was a textbook psychopath, Dylan Klebold had a severe inferiority complex, Seung-Hui Cho was also schizophrenic, James Holmes was declared legally insane, and Jared Lee Loughner is a paranoid schizophrenic.  I don't see why we would need to look much further.
Why do you need to ignore the elephant in the room?

Women also suffer from these mental illnesses but only rarely do they commit the same types of crimes.

If anorexia and bulimia can be something girls/women suffer from thanks in part to social pressure, why is committing violence (of this sort) something that boys/men can't suffer from thanks in part to social pressure?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 25, 2014, 07:15:35 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on October 25, 2014, 06:37:36 pm
People have said that he was pissed over a breakup and based off recent tweets had lost it. EVERY man has been rejected by a woman during their lives. To actually go and shoot people because of it, that takes something else.
He could have just been an asshole though.


Then again, I wouldn't mind we worked on treating Asshole Disorder.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 25, 2014, 07:19:18 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 04:33:38 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on October 25, 2014, 03:24:30 pm
Once again, Anita makes a good point but hides it amidst quite a bit of inverted misogyny.

As a nation, we have tied violence and masculinity together as if they were two sides of the same coin.  Society may say, quite frequently, that violence is not the answer, but then the various authority figures will call such a thing "for pussies", and say that real men blah blah blah guns.

When you teach people that violence is an acceptable answer to a problem, then people will use it to deadly consequences.

Maybe we should start teaching men to be "more like women" while we're teaching women to be "more like men."

...Quotation marks because, obviously, gender roles are bullshit.

I'm not sure it all boils down to gender issues.  There's probably a very strong psychological and thus biological element to it, but I think the main problem lies in mental healthcare not being successful at intercepting destructive behavior.

"Social roles" are an important aspect of society but I seriously doubt ennui over one's role in society is enough for a guy to start shooting up everything he knows.

I really don't see what's erroneous about saying that these shootings happen because of mental illness.  They do.  You can't possibly reason with someone like that.  It wouldn't matter if we traveled back in time and had a conversation with them to discourage a certain belief and provided irrefutable evidence that they are wrong because they are not rational.  And it an't be expected for them to make them their decisions based on rational beliefs.  They will literally believe whatever they want and there's very little we can do besides treat them.

Adam Lanza was schizophrenic, Eric Harris was a textbook psychopath, Dylan Klebold had a severe inferiority complex, Seung-Hui Cho was also schizophrenic, James Holmes was declared legally insane, and Jared Lee Loughner is a paranoid schizophrenic.  I don't see why we would need to look much further.

We need to look the tiniest bit further because, y'know, women can be mentally ill too. Schizophrenia and psychopathy show up more commonly in men than in women, but as far as I can tell not by enough of a degree that it covers the difference in shootings (shcizophrenia is 1.4 times more common in men than women, male shooters are far more common than that relative to female shooters. Can't find exact numbers on psychopathy).

Mental illness manifests different in men and women. Why? I don't know, but societal factors, and specifically societal ideas of masculinity, is not an obviously wrong answer. I'm sure biology plays a part, as well; testosterone is linked to aggression and such. But then, I don't think that if Sarkeesian had said "Men are more biologically predisposed towards violent shootings" people would've gone "yep, that seems right, I have no problems with this assertion". I expect the outrage would've been worse.

So why are you in particular calling this "utterly loathsome"? Because she disagrees with you about the causes of a complex societal phenomenon? Everyone does that to everyone else.

edit: partially ninja'd by Canadian Mojo, these posts take time to write.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 07:22:14 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on October 25, 2014, 07:12:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 04:33:38 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on October 25, 2014, 03:24:30 pm
Once again, Anita makes a good point but hides it amidst quite a bit of inverted misogyny.

As a nation, we have tied violence and masculinity together as if they were two sides of the same coin.  Society may say, quite frequently, that violence is not the answer, but then the various authority figures will call such a thing "for pussies", and say that real men blah blah blah guns.

When you teach people that violence is an acceptable answer to a problem, then people will use it to deadly consequences.

Maybe we should start teaching men to be "more like women" while we're teaching women to be "more like men."

...Quotation marks because, obviously, gender roles are bullshit.

I'm not sure it all boils down to gender issues.  There's probably a very strong psychological and thus biological element to it, but I think the main problem lies in mental healthcare not being successful at intercepting destructive behavior.

"Social roles" are an important aspect of society but I seriously doubt ennui over one's role in society is enough for a guy to start shooting up everything he knows.

I really don't see what's erroneous about saying that these shootings happen because of mental illness.  They do.  You can't possibly reason with someone like that.  It wouldn't matter if we traveled back in time and had a conversation with them to discourage a certain belief and provided irrefutable evidence that they are wrong because they are not rational.  And it an't be expected for them to make them their decisions based on rational beliefs.  They will literally believe whatever they want and there's very little we can do besides treat them.

Adam Lanza was schizophrenic, Eric Harris was a textbook psychopath, Dylan Klebold had a severe inferiority complex, Seung-Hui Cho was also schizophrenic, James Holmes was declared legally insane, and Jared Lee Loughner is a paranoid schizophrenic.  I don't see why we would need to look much further.
Why do you need to ignore the elephant in the room?

Women also suffer from these mental illnesses but only rarely do they commit the same types of crimes.

If anorexia and bulimia can be something girls/women suffer from thanks in part to social pressure, why is committing violence (of this sort) something that boys/men can't suffer from thanks in part to social pressure?

I'm not saying that gender roles aren't involved, just that they're not the main cause.

Quote
We need to look the tiniest bit further because, y'know, women can be mentally ill too. Schizophrenia and psychopathy show up more commonly in men than in women, but as far as I can tell not by enough of a degree that it covers the difference in shootings (shcizophrenia is 1.4 times more common in men than women, male shooters are far more common than that relative to female shooters. Can't find exact numbers on psychopathy).

Mental illness manifests different in men and women. Why? I don't know, but societal factors, and specifically societal ideas of masculinity, is not an obviously wrong answer. I'm sure biology plays a part, as well; testosterone is linked to aggression and such. But then, I don't think that if Sarkeesian had said "Men are more biologically predisposed towards violent shootings" people would've gone "yep, that seems right, I have no problems with this assertion". I expect the outrage would've been worse.

So why are you in particular calling this "utterly loathsome"? Because she disagrees with you about the causes of a complex societal phenomenon? Everyone does that to everyone else.

edit: partially ninja'd by Canadian Mojo, these posts take time to write.

It's loathsome because she blamed masculinity for mass shootings.  How exactly is that any different from blaming Islam for terrorism?

It's also loathsome because she was using it to push her agenda and plug a book.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 25, 2014, 07:31:13 pm
Loathsome is an unusually strong word... for anyone but a Gamergater.

For Gamergate, "loathsome" is a word used to describe any woman who dares criticize the movement.  A crime to be punished with doxxing and harassment.

Oh, don't think I haven't noticed it, either.  It's happening more and more frequently, and only to women - men who criticize Gamergate are mysteriously not doxxed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 07:32:23 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on October 25, 2014, 07:31:13 pm
Loathsome is an unusually strong word... for anyone but a Gamergater.

For Gamergate, "loathsome" is a word used to describe any woman who dares criticize the movement.  A crime to be punished with doxxing and harassment.

Oh, don't think I haven't noticed it, either.  It's happening more and more frequently, and only to women - men who criticize Gamergate are mysteriously not doxxed.

I didn't know Phil Fish was a woman.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on October 25, 2014, 07:36:40 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 07:32:23 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on October 25, 2014, 07:31:13 pm
Loathsome is an unusually strong word... for anyone but a Gamergater.

For Gamergate, "loathsome" is a word used to describe any woman who dares criticize the movement.  A crime to be punished with doxxing and harassment.

Oh, don't think I haven't noticed it, either.  It's happening more and more frequently, and only to women - men who criticize Gamergate are mysteriously not doxxed.

I didn't know Phil Fish was a woman.

He was doxxed?  That's actually news to me.

Still, though, the amount of women doxxed and harassed by Gamergate - not just notable faces, either - is astounding.

And yet Gamergate will continue to claim that every one of them is faking it.

And shit like that is why I hate your favorite movement.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 25, 2014, 08:03:09 pm
ETA: Put the post in it's own thread

Ironbite-cause I'm a good boy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 08:10:46 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 25, 2014, 08:03:09 pm
Felica Day: Doxxed within 50 minutes of posting a blog post about her fears of being doxxed by someone affiliated by Gamergate if she dares speak out against Gamergate.

Chris Kluwe:  Still hasn't been doxxed by Gamergate despite direct critism amid a scathing editorial.  We're going on about a week since the original post.

Ironbite-come on...tell me this is about ethics in video game journalism.  Go on.

Unfortunately, GamerGate attracted some misogynistic assholes.  But we're working on dealing with them.  Just look up "#GamerGate Harassment Patrol" on Twitter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on October 25, 2014, 08:12:51 pm
At this point, I should just compile every one of UP's posts like the above into one and redirect anybody who dares to dissent from the almighty black knight to it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 25, 2014, 08:17:03 pm
Can't you keep your fucking gamergate-related bullshit to its own topic? I can't speak for everyone, but I for one don't want to see it bleeding into EVERY GODDAMN TOPIC HERE. God, I didn't show up here because I wanted to see GamerGate everywhere. It's in the funny pics thread, it's in the worst of social justice thread, where else are you gonna throw it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 25, 2014, 08:18:14 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 07:22:14 pm
It's loathsome because she blamed masculinity for mass shootings.  How exactly is that any different from blaming Islam for terrorism?

As far as I know, most terrorists are not Muslim. Though I would love decent statistics on that; most of the ones I see are about America, where there aren't that many Muslims to be doing the terrorism in the first place.

Either way, you seem to have me confused with an entirely different sort of leftist. I'm an antitheist. I have no problem with considering religion as a factor in terrorism; though I would argue it's not really the most relevant one, I certainly wouldn't call someone using that argument loathsome, in the context of a discussion of Islamic terrorism. Wrong, but not loathsome.

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It's also loathsome because she was using it to push her agenda and plug a book.

So she saw a problem, talked about what she thought the cause was, and recommended some reading on the subject. Villainous!

Is that going to be tinted by her political agenda? Obviously. People's politics tend to be related to the way they see the world; if you think gender roles are destructive and dangerous, then you're going to have politics that reflect that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 08:25:12 pm
Okay.  Back to radflakes.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/5617c251372eb1dd3447bc62e24f9802/tumblr_n8d8lieU171qhynmco1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 25, 2014, 08:34:15 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2014, 08:25:12 pm
Okay.  Back to radflakes.

-snip

I think I recognise her, she's been quoted by FSTDT hasn't she?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 25, 2014, 10:00:38 pm
Quote
It's loathsome because she blamed masculinity for mass shootings.  How exactly is that any different from blaming Islam for terrorism?

It's also loathsome because she was using it to push her agenda and plug a book.
You're blaming mental illness for shootings. How is that different from blaming Islam for terrorism?
Also, she did say toxic masculinity, i think.

(Apologies if I sound aggressive)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 26, 2014, 02:04:50 am
Quote from: I am lizard on October 25, 2014, 10:00:38 pm
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It's loathsome because she blamed masculinity for mass shootings.  How exactly is that any different from blaming Islam for terrorism?

It's also loathsome because she was using it to push her agenda and plug a book.
You're blaming mental illness for shootings. How is that different from blaming Islam for terrorism?
Also, she did say toxic masculinity, i think.

(Apologies if I sound aggressive)

I'm pretty certain someone who feels that murdering dozens of innocent people is the correct way to go about solving a problem with society is going to be mentally ill. Like, that's not even really an arguable point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 26, 2014, 02:20:25 am
Best to leave diagnoses to the professionals, professionals who've actually spent time with the patient to reach their conclusion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 26, 2014, 02:55:18 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on October 26, 2014, 02:04:50 am
Quote from: I am lizard on October 25, 2014, 10:00:38 pm
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It's loathsome because she blamed masculinity for mass shootings.  How exactly is that any different from blaming Islam for terrorism?

It's also loathsome because she was using it to push her agenda and plug a book.
You're blaming mental illness for shootings. How is that different from blaming Islam for terrorism?
Also, she did say toxic masculinity, i think.

(Apologies if I sound aggressive)

I'm pretty certain someone who feels that murdering dozens of innocent people is the correct way to go about solving a problem with society is going to be mentally ill. Like, that's not even really an arguable point.
That wasn't the point I was trying to make dummy, I was trying to point out it's hypocritical to get mad when someone accuses masculinity of causing violence but be perfectly fine when someone blames mental illness. Regardless of the factual accuracy there it's hypocritical.

EDIT: sig already commented on the subject just ignore this comment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 26, 2014, 02:56:21 am
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 26, 2014, 02:20:25 am
Best to leave diagnoses to the professionals, professionals who've actually spent time with the patient to reach their conclusion.
Haven't the majority of recent shooters had a history of mental illness?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 26, 2014, 03:24:29 am
Quote from: I am lizard on October 26, 2014, 02:56:21 am
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 26, 2014, 02:20:25 am
Best to leave diagnoses to the professionals, professionals who've actually spent time with the patient to reach their conclusion.
Haven't the majority of recent shooters had a history of mental illness?

Yeah-they have. But determining exactly what someone's mental condition is and drawing conclusions on how it relates to their actions unless you've actually been trained in that field is problematic.

Note I'm not saying that you are making couch diagnoses of anyone, just saying as a general principle that couch diagnoses aren't particularly useful.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 26, 2014, 09:08:58 am
Quote from: I am lizard on October 25, 2014, 10:00:38 pm
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It's loathsome because she blamed masculinity for mass shootings.  How exactly is that any different from blaming Islam for terrorism?

It's also loathsome because she was using it to push her agenda and plug a book.
You're blaming mental illness for shootings. How is that different from blaming Islam for terrorism?
Also, she did say toxic masculinity, i think.

(Apologies if I sound aggressive)

Most people with mental illnesses are harmless.  I agree with that.  The problem comes from the fact that the American mental healthcare system leaves a lot to be desired.  Therefore, these mass shooters aren't getting the treatment they need.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 26, 2014, 02:13:17 pm
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 26, 2014, 03:24:29 am
Quote from: I am lizard on October 26, 2014, 02:56:21 am
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 26, 2014, 02:20:25 am
Best to leave diagnoses to the professionals, professionals who've actually spent time with the patient to reach their conclusion.
Haven't the majority of recent shooters had a history of mental illness?

Yeah-they have. But determining exactly what someone's mental condition is and drawing conclusions on how it relates to their actions unless you've actually been trained in that field is problematic.

Note I'm not saying that you are making couch diagnoses of anyone, just saying as a general principle that couch diagnoses aren't particularly useful.

There's a difference between trying to actually diagnose someone's specific problem and recognizing that "sanity" and "spree killing innocent people" are typically mutually exclusive.

Just because a professional has not made a specific diagnosis does not mean that a mental illness does not exist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 26, 2014, 02:16:14 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 26, 2014, 09:08:58 am
Quote from: I am lizard on October 25, 2014, 10:00:38 pm
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It's loathsome because she blamed masculinity for mass shootings.  How exactly is that any different from blaming Islam for terrorism?

It's also loathsome because she was using it to push her agenda and plug a book.
You're blaming mental illness for shootings. How is that different from blaming Islam for terrorism?
Also, she did say toxic masculinity, i think.

(Apologies if I sound aggressive)

Most people with mental illnesses are harmless.  I agree with that.  The problem comes from the fact that the American mental healthcare system leaves a lot to be desired.  Therefore, these mass shooters aren't getting the treatment they need.
I wasn't trying to argue that point.
Read my comment from earlier.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on October 26, 2014, 02:27:22 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 26, 2014, 02:55:18 am
Regardless of the factual accuracy there it's hypocritical.

That is not even close to how hypocrisy works. If "spree killers are mentally ill" is taken as factually accurate while "spree shooters are caused by toxic masculinity encouraging men to kill for dominance" isn't, then the former isn't a hypocritical position to take.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 26, 2014, 02:40:02 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on October 26, 2014, 02:27:22 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 26, 2014, 02:55:18 am
Regardless of the factual accuracy there it's hypocritical.

That is not even close to how hypocrisy works. If "spree killers are mentally ill" is taken as factually accurate while "spree shooters are caused by toxic masculinity encouraging men to kill for dominance" isn't, then the former isn't a hypocritical position to take.
That's not what I was trying to say, I'm saying the former isn't a "loathsome" position to take, factually inaccurate, yes, but not loathsome.
There, are we good now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 26, 2014, 02:44:58 pm
Moving on:
Microwaves cause cancer because some science fair project said so:
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http://wildunicornherd.tumblr.com/post/23455215670
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 26, 2014, 04:10:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 26, 2014, 02:44:58 pm
Moving on:
Microwaves cause cancer because some science fair project said so:
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http://wildunicornherd.tumblr.com/post/23455215670

Christ, these people are idiots.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 26, 2014, 05:34:15 pm
The LEARN2SCIENCE rebuttal is pretty good though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 26, 2014, 05:42:23 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 26, 2014, 05:34:15 pm
The LEARN2SCIENCE rebuttal is pretty good though.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 02:29:15 am
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/8cd3855b5e1fa7b4ce0a0e02d340d0c0/tumblr_ndnta3CIdz1u00qgto1_r1_1280.png)
This is a fucking stupid thing to get mad over, but QUIT MAKING ME INTO SOMETHING INHUMAN. Son of a bitch, if I wanted that I'd talk to my goddamned father.
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/6f4d011b2bb518178f83bc642c5c9a69/tumblr_ndlmk1eXIw1u00qgto1_1280.png)
As a literally dickless male, I say to you: fuck off, you fucking donkey.
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/889e7925b09857ef8a42bec52dadede3/tumblr_nd3uey4GDM1u00qgto1_500.png)
Having a unique, "interesting" gender identity isn't a substitute for having a unique, interesting personality. Not as bad as some others, but quirl? Really?
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/04bb43aa12def0fc975436e97c233933/tumblr_ncsnawguT11u00qgto1_400.png)
*headdesk*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on October 28, 2014, 03:29:34 am
For the first one, I immediately got the impression they were ripping off the premise from Puella Magi Madoka Magica, and was proven right the second I read the word "grief seeds".

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 28, 2014, 03:48:08 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on October 28, 2014, 03:29:34 am
For the first one, I immediately got the impression they were ripping off the premise from Puella Magi Madoka Magica, and was proven right the second I read the word "grief seeds".

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So not only was that rant stupid it had also been copied from something that was completely misinterpreted?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on October 28, 2014, 05:34:40 am
Quote from: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 02:29:15 am
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/8cd3855b5e1fa7b4ce0a0e02d340d0c0/tumblr_ndnta3CIdz1u00qgto1_r1_1280.png)
This is a fucking stupid thing to get mad over, but QUIT MAKING ME INTO SOMETHING INHUMAN. Son of a bitch, if I wanted that I'd talk to my goddamned father.
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/6f4d011b2bb518178f83bc642c5c9a69/tumblr_ndlmk1eXIw1u00qgto1_1280.png)
As a literally dickless male, I say to you: fuck off, you fucking donkey.
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/889e7925b09857ef8a42bec52dadede3/tumblr_nd3uey4GDM1u00qgto1_500.png)
Having a unique, "interesting" gender identity isn't a substitute for having a unique, interesting personality. Not as bad as some others, but quirl? Really?
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/04bb43aa12def0fc975436e97c233933/tumblr_ncsnawguT11u00qgto1_400.png)
*headdesk*

Wait? You literally don't have a dick?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on October 28, 2014, 06:03:24 am
Quote from: askold on October 28, 2014, 03:48:08 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on October 28, 2014, 03:29:34 am
For the first one, I immediately got the impression they were ripping off the premise from Puella Magi Madoka Magica, and was proven right the second I read the word "grief seeds".

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So not only was that rant stupid it had also been copied from something that was completely misinterpreted?

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 28, 2014, 06:43:13 am
So basically there was a point...and it was somewhere out in the Oort cloud  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oort_cloud)wondering where their stupid head was!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 28, 2014, 11:29:38 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on October 28, 2014, 05:34:40 am
Quote from: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 02:29:15 am
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/8cd3855b5e1fa7b4ce0a0e02d340d0c0/tumblr_ndnta3CIdz1u00qgto1_r1_1280.png)
This is a fucking stupid thing to get mad over, but QUIT MAKING ME INTO SOMETHING INHUMAN. Son of a bitch, if I wanted that I'd talk to my goddamned father.
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/6f4d011b2bb518178f83bc642c5c9a69/tumblr_ndlmk1eXIw1u00qgto1_1280.png)
As a literally dickless male, I say to you: fuck off, you fucking donkey.
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/889e7925b09857ef8a42bec52dadede3/tumblr_nd3uey4GDM1u00qgto1_500.png)
Having a unique, "interesting" gender identity isn't a substitute for having a unique, interesting personality. Not as bad as some others, but quirl? Really?
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/04bb43aa12def0fc975436e97c233933/tumblr_ncsnawguT11u00qgto1_400.png)
*headdesk*

Wait? You literally don't have a dick?
I think he means he's biologically a woman.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 28, 2014, 01:36:17 pm
So autistic people need their own gender now, huh? Well, okay, if you say so.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 03:17:30 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on October 28, 2014, 05:34:40 am
Quote from: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 02:29:15 am
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/8cd3855b5e1fa7b4ce0a0e02d340d0c0/tumblr_ndnta3CIdz1u00qgto1_r1_1280.png)
This is a fucking stupid thing to get mad over, but QUIT MAKING ME INTO SOMETHING INHUMAN. Son of a bitch, if I wanted that I'd talk to my goddamned father.
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/6f4d011b2bb518178f83bc642c5c9a69/tumblr_ndlmk1eXIw1u00qgto1_1280.png)
As a literally dickless male, I say to you: fuck off, you fucking donkey.
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/889e7925b09857ef8a42bec52dadede3/tumblr_nd3uey4GDM1u00qgto1_500.png)
Having a unique, "interesting" gender identity isn't a substitute for having a unique, interesting personality. Not as bad as some others, but quirl? Really?
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/04bb43aa12def0fc975436e97c233933/tumblr_ncsnawguT11u00qgto1_400.png)
*headdesk*

Wait? You literally don't have a dick?
Yeah, I'm transgender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 28, 2014, 03:49:45 pm
So, I don't get to be a S-Quirl, then. Dammit! Learn something new every day. Even shit I wish I hadn't.



*S=Senior Queer Girl, i.e. old lesbian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on October 28, 2014, 05:21:04 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 02:29:15 am
This is a fucking stupid thing to get mad over, but QUIT MAKING ME INTO SOMETHING INHUMAN.

(Quietly puts away can of Terrigen Mists; attempts to see how Osama bin Bambi will respond to gamma radiation)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 28, 2014, 07:11:45 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on October 28, 2014, 01:30:56 pm
Speaking of which, today I learned about the term "autigender." Apparently it means "gender," but when the person is autistic. So... autistic? I can't even... what?

Continuing to prove my point that radflakes don't know what "gender" means.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on October 28, 2014, 07:29:51 pm
Quote from: Sixth Monarchist on October 28, 2014, 05:21:04 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 02:29:15 am
This is a fucking stupid thing to get mad over, but QUIT MAKING ME INTO SOMETHING INHUMAN.

(Quietly puts away can of Terrigen Mists; attempts to see how Osama bin Bambi will respond to gamma radiation)

*hides gene-splicing equipment and bear/shark DNA*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 08:57:04 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on October 28, 2014, 07:29:51 pm
Quote from: Sixth Monarchist on October 28, 2014, 05:21:04 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 02:29:15 am
This is a fucking stupid thing to get mad over, but QUIT MAKING ME INTO SOMETHING INHUMAN.

(Quietly puts away can of Terrigen Mists; attempts to see how Osama bin Bambi will respond to gamma radiation)

*hides gene-splicing equipment and bear/shark DNA*
Oh fuck off. I know you're joking but there's only so many times a guy can get referred to as "it" (IRL) before it stops being funny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 28, 2014, 11:47:31 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/WbjHnrK.jpg)

If you spend your time overanalyzing cartoons from 15+ years ago then it's time to reevaluate your life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 29, 2014, 12:22:39 am
The use of the word "pigs" makes me think it's a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 29, 2014, 12:21:49 pm
oh, for the love of my childhood... I wonder what that idiot would think of 'The Wild Thornberries'? or 'Ahhh! Real Monsters'?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 29, 2014, 01:40:35 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on October 29, 2014, 12:21:49 pm
oh, for the love of my childhood... I wonder what that idiot would think of 'The Wild Thornberries'? or 'Ahhh! Real Monsters'?

"Monster" is a slur. They prefer "cryptid".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on October 29, 2014, 04:31:58 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 08:57:04 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on October 28, 2014, 07:29:51 pm
Quote from: Sixth Monarchist on October 28, 2014, 05:21:04 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 02:29:15 am
This is a fucking stupid thing to get mad over, but QUIT MAKING ME INTO SOMETHING INHUMAN.

(Quietly puts away can of Terrigen Mists; attempts to see how Osama bin Bambi will respond to gamma radiation)

*hides gene-splicing equipment and bear/shark DNA*
Oh fuck off. I know you're joking but there's only so many times a guy can get referred to as "it" (IRL) before it stops being funny.

...sorry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 29, 2014, 04:40:49 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 08:57:04 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on October 28, 2014, 07:29:51 pm
Quote from: Sixth Monarchist on October 28, 2014, 05:21:04 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 28, 2014, 02:29:15 am
This is a fucking stupid thing to get mad over, but QUIT MAKING ME INTO SOMETHING INHUMAN.

(Quietly puts away can of Terrigen Mists; attempts to see how Osama bin Bambi will respond to gamma radiation)

*hides gene-splicing equipment and bear/shark DNA*
Oh fuck off. I know you're joking but there's only so many times a guy can get referred to as "it" (IRL) before it stops being funny.

I can only imagine how much that sucks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on October 29, 2014, 06:27:45 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on October 28, 2014, 03:49:45 pm
So, I don't get to be a S-Quirl, then. Dammit! Learn something new every day. Even shit I wish I hadn't.



*S=Senior Queer Girl, i.e. old lesbian.
When you leave me an opening like that, you realize I am obligated to point out that squirrels are supposed to like nuts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 29, 2014, 06:38:56 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on October 29, 2014, 06:27:45 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on October 28, 2014, 03:49:45 pm
So, I don't get to be a S-Quirl, then. Dammit! Learn something new every day. Even shit I wish I hadn't.



*S=Senior Queer Girl, i.e. old lesbian.
When you leave me an opening like that, you realize I am obligated to point out that squirrels are supposed to like nuts.

Lol. But look out for Davedan...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 29, 2014, 07:37:25 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on October 29, 2014, 06:38:56 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on October 29, 2014, 06:27:45 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on October 28, 2014, 03:49:45 pm
So, I don't get to be a S-Quirl, then. Dammit! Learn something new every day. Even shit I wish I hadn't.



*S=Senior Queer Girl, i.e. old lesbian.
When you leave me an opening like that, you realize I am obligated to point out that squirrels are supposed to like nuts.

Lol. But look out for Davedan...

Eh, I'm secure enough in my sexuality not to be bothered. Besides which you see my squirrel likes biscuits.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 30, 2014, 02:41:46 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 29, 2014, 07:37:25 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on October 29, 2014, 06:38:56 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on October 29, 2014, 06:27:45 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on October 28, 2014, 03:49:45 pm
So, I don't get to be a S-Quirl, then. Dammit! Learn something new every day. Even shit I wish I hadn't.



*S=Senior Queer Girl, i.e. old lesbian.
When you leave me an opening like that, you realize I am obligated to point out that squirrels are supposed to like nuts.

Lol. But look out for Davedan...

Eh, I'm secure enough in my sexuality not to be bothered. Besides which you see my squirrel likes biscuits.

I soooooo wish right now there was a way to reward puns chain-slung like that. That's an awesome chain. It rocks.

... dare I say it? I'm a bit nutty for puns.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on October 30, 2014, 04:28:44 pm
Quote
you, like most white transwomen, show a fundamental lack of gratitude for your allies on the left who have campaigned for social justice for decades.

We are the only reason you have any civil rights, we are the reason you have never been thrown into an asylum for your gender identity, and we are the reason you have not been subjected to the pseudo-scientific reparative therapies of the 20th century. We did all this for you, and yet you support the reactionaries who would love to swing you from a lamp post on their fabled "day of the rope."

You, as a transwoman, are indebted to us, and the very least you could have done would have been to abstain from this ugly flame war until it passed. Instead, you have decided to reinforce the tokenism of the reactionaries by endorsing them and by participating in their forums.

You may not be our shield, but you are our property. We own you. Your very existence is protected by the institutions and laws we have made for you. Never forget this, and in the future, show some fucking gratitude.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 30, 2014, 07:54:23 pm
Where the fuck is that quote from? Wow!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 30, 2014, 08:52:44 pm
Quote from: WatermelonRat on October 30, 2014, 04:28:44 pm
Quote
you, like most white transwomen, show a fundamental lack of gratitude for your allies on the left who have campaigned for social justice for decades.

We are the only reason you have any civil rights, we are the reason you have never been thrown into an asylum for your gender identity, and we are the reason you have not been subjected to the pseudo-scientific reparative therapies of the 20th century. We did all this for you, and yet you support the reactionaries who would love to swing you from a lamp post on their fabled "day of the rope."

You, as a transwoman, are indebted to us, and the very least you could have done would have been to abstain from this ugly flame war until it passed. Instead, you have decided to reinforce the tokenism of the reactionaries by endorsing them and by participating in their forums.

You may not be our shield, but you are our property. We own you. Your very existence is protected by the institutions and laws we have made for you. Never forget this, and in the future, show some fucking gratitude.
Urge... To kill... Rising...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 30, 2014, 11:21:16 pm
Quote from: WatermelonRat on October 30, 2014, 04:28:44 pm
Quote
you, like most white transwomen, show a fundamental lack of gratitude for your allies on the left who have campaigned for social justice for decades.

We are the only reason you have any civil rights, we are the reason you have never been thrown into an asylum for your gender identity, and we are the reason you have not been subjected to the pseudo-scientific reparative therapies of the 20th century. We did all this for you, and yet you support the reactionaries who would love to swing you from a lamp post on their fabled "day of the rope."

You, as a transwoman, are indebted to us, and the very least you could have done would have been to abstain from this ugly flame war until it passed. Instead, you have decided to reinforce the tokenism of the reactionaries by endorsing them and by participating in their forums.

You may not be our shield, but you are our property. We own you. Your very existence is protected by the institutions and laws we have made for you. Never forget this, and in the future, show some fucking gratitude.

"...but you are our property. We own you."

(http://i.imgur.com/a4aF6p8.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 31, 2014, 03:28:17 am
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/b9a8255bc6407754a1437473efa7a3ab/tumblr_ne1vtsWxR61u00qgto1_500.png)
What the fuck am I reading.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 31, 2014, 03:35:10 am
My Mind - Vagina'd.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 31, 2014, 08:24:12 am
So, a vagina is the physical manifestation of one's psychological state?  ...  *thinks*  *loses all form and becomes a protean*

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 31, 2014, 02:26:29 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/uad05JF.jpg)

Fridge kin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 31, 2014, 02:51:40 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2mdf43c.jpg)

Yes, how dare white people take an interest in an aspect of black culture.  They should only enjoy stuff made by other whites!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on October 31, 2014, 03:28:04 pm
Quote from: WatermelonRat on October 30, 2014, 04:28:44 pm
Quote
you, like most white transwomen, show a fundamental lack of gratitude for your allies on the left who have campaigned for social justice for decades.

We are the only reason you have any civil rights, we are the reason you have never been thrown into an asylum for your gender identity, and we are the reason you have not been subjected to the pseudo-scientific reparative therapies of the 20th century. We did all this for you, and yet you support the reactionaries who would love to swing you from a lamp post on their fabled "day of the rope."

You, as a transwoman, are indebted to us, and the very least you could have done would have been to abstain from this ugly flame war until it passed. Instead, you have decided to reinforce the tokenism of the reactionaries by endorsing them and by participating in their forums.

You may not be our shield, but you are our property. We own you. Your very existence is protected by the institutions and laws we have made for you. Never forget this, and in the future, show some fucking gratitude.

(http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1366/03/1366036932622.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on November 02, 2014, 11:57:11 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on October 28, 2014, 11:47:31 pm
If you spend your time overanalyzing cartoons from 15+ years ago then it's time to reevaluate your life.

Kinda reminds me of an online comment I saw once - "to search every sentence of a work looking for potential offence and controversy betrays a niggardly spirit".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 02, 2014, 05:31:32 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/ph3qZjf.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 02, 2014, 05:40:10 pm
That's...that's amazing.

Ironbite-and wrong.  But amazing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 02, 2014, 05:56:32 pm
Wow, what a thundercunt.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on November 02, 2014, 06:32:24 pm
Taking bets on how much longer he has his job!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 02, 2014, 07:31:57 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 02, 2014, 05:31:32 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/ph3qZjf.png)
But he's a white straight man...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 02, 2014, 07:55:16 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on November 02, 2014, 07:31:57 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 02, 2014, 05:31:32 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/ph3qZjf.png)
But he's a white straight man...

And Stephenie Meyer is a woman.  Your point?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 03, 2014, 10:37:29 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 02, 2014, 07:55:16 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on November 02, 2014, 07:31:57 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 02, 2014, 05:31:32 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/ph3qZjf.png)
But he's a white straight man...

And Stephenie Meyer is a woman.  Your point?
He said he wants to play pinata with white straight men who hung themselves, that means he thinks white straight men are bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 03, 2014, 12:08:41 pm
Well, this is depressing. Have a "literally tumblr right now" joke, courtesy of masseffecttranscribed:
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m70bzrLdvb1rzr632o1_500.png)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m70bzrLdvb1rzr632o2_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 03, 2014, 06:05:33 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on November 03, 2014, 10:37:29 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 02, 2014, 07:55:16 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on November 02, 2014, 07:31:57 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 02, 2014, 05:31:32 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/ph3qZjf.png)
But he's a white straight man...

And Stephenie Meyer is a woman.  Your point?
He said he wants to play pinata with white straight men who hung themselves, that means he thinks white straight men are bad.

i actually laughed. maybe a bit too "gallows-humor" for most, but i just pictured myself as a pinata... i really gotta buy me that pink tutu i've been hankering to buy...

gallows humor should be applauded and not hung out to dry
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on November 06, 2014, 07:28:37 pm
Quote
Quote
Quote
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/e01176f81342827cc4c0301b23c97c47/tumblr_nbjpk8V2YT1qi36o9o1_500.png)

so much happening here:
  • Feels a lot like you’re saying all of those things are supposed to be synonyms for “crazy” and “insane,” which is honestly more hurtful to me as a mentally ill person than being called “crazy” or “insane.”
  • Thanks for starring out the letter A there. If I see those words entirely intact, I’ll probably spin into a manic rage and poop on the floor like a wild animal! Thanks for removing literally one letter so I only have to see 85% of the word, now I don’t have to start foaming at the mouth!
  • The words “crazy” and “insane” are actually really important words for a lot of mentally ill people, who use it as a necessary shorthand to express concern that our illnesses might be skewing our perceptions of reality. For example, “is it crazy that I’m so worried about this?” is a much more effective thing to say than “is this a legitimate concern, or am I just projecting my own anxieties and paranoia onto the world around me?” Treating “crazy” as an inherently hurtful slur in all contexts (even “just saying it with no context so people know which word you’re talking about” as above) takes away a “real or not real” shorthand from us.
  • Seriously this kind of post is so patronizing people stop doing them

this is so rude. someone makes a post to protect disabled individuals who DON’T like hearing dehumanizing fucking slurs all day and you go and crash it just because you’re a-ok with it?? i do not have nearly enough spoons to call out everything you said but if you read a post starting with censored slurs and your first thought is, ‘eh, these don’t affect me’ then the post isn’t about you. scroll past it.

So, speaking for theoretical people who aren't offended is wrong, but speaking for theoretical people who are offended is fine?  It seems tumblr has the attitude that the only marginalized opinions that matter are those of the offended; if a marginalized person speaks out against "helpful" tumblr behavior, it doesn't carry equal weight, "erases those who are offended", and doesn't deserve to be heard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 06, 2014, 07:45:48 pm
Welcome to tumblr dot com, where being offended on someone else's behalf is social currency.

To add my own mentally-ill two cents, saying something or even someone is "cr*zy" doesn't bother me nor anyone I've ever met, not even in a goddamned phych ward. What does bother me is acting like I'm a magical fragile flower whose precious fee-fees must be protected at all costs, or like I'm a ticking bomb that can be set off by using a goddamned adjunctive. One of the most important parts of learning to deal with mental illness is learning coping skills so that it's possible to function in a non-hugbox world. Making mental illness the center of your life, your personality, or your vocabulary is not helpful.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 06, 2014, 08:44:28 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on November 03, 2014, 10:37:29 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 02, 2014, 07:55:16 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on November 02, 2014, 07:31:57 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 02, 2014, 05:31:32 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/ph3qZjf.png)
But he's a white straight man...

And Stephenie Meyer is a woman.  Your point?
He said he wants to play pinata with white straight men who hung themselves, that means he thinks white straight men are bad.

Well, some people can be unbelievably self-loathing.  Case in point: there was an Israeli neo-Nazi group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrol_36) not so long ago.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 08, 2014, 12:53:14 am
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/451e2d7078ab2ad73486e5f6632643f5/tumblr_ne2oc7ZN641u0ftl6o2_500.png)
"I'm kinky"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 08, 2014, 02:38:35 am
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/3f613342717cae334f125b02a85eded4/tumblr_neaeipoJqG1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Misogynoirist? And hey, look, now the Social Justice Warriors have come to the same conclusion Stormfront has.

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/2e713e374523052585d3f00eb4e304a9/tumblr_neadsc1h0u1u00qgto1_1280.png)

HOW DARE YOU BENDICTO CAMBAMPATCH!

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/7f3370f571d8ccf1de5d61f8b116357c/tumblr_nelpfpT4751u00qgto1_1280.png)

Activism: Angrily blogging about things other people do that annoy you.

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/16b63ac3ce379bff7ed01f6a344536b0/tumblr_neliujwoOM1u00qgto1_400.png)

That's...that's just sad.

For all the reasons the author did not intend.

A lotta posts on wtfsocialjustice about some Lena Dunham chick. Anyone got a clue about who this lady is?

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/8f97d94d90754fa920b338e214c7e4f0/tumblr_neadb5FVp71u00qgto1_1280.png)

Stop making up these identities for yourselves! Just because you jerk off to slash fics does not mean Jerks Off To Slash Fics is a sexual identity!

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/81f2d3a74a5fd5d35af26f93dda2ebb3/tumblr_nee2kl7HTZ1u00qgto1_1280.png)

cr*zy...wow. Wow. You tumblrinas are batshit. I'll call my bread crazy bread any time I want.

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/b47092b94f1930b20334ed5211f586ef/tumblr_ne2mc6bSMc1u00qgto1_1280.png)

No, just calling people ableist won't make you suddenly right, and them suddenly shut up. You're all fucking crazy.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/1d6055daab7e2deddc72f787f409938c/tumblr_ne2lphDzfD1u00qgto1_500.png)

Society: then everyone will shun you as a true lunatic and utter outcast.

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/676c01b0f9b76a83c7e375923bdbbcbe/tumblr_ne2h79VlfV1u00qgto1_500.png)

Buddy, if you're getting so easily worked up over what dipshits think of you, you're probably not a sociopath.

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/b2738dfb7ea2795d8fcce8ee3c6394ef/tumblr_ne8914Iz0b1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Queerer. Dominant as an identity. You...you people...that's a lot of words for saying "I am going to screw someone just as nucking futs as I am."

Quote
So basically,

if you do any of these things:

    consume meat (yes, that includes fish), dairy, eggs or any other animal derived “food” product
    wear leather/fur/wool/silk or any other animal derived form of “fashion”
    go to zoos/circusses and other places where animals are held in confinement for your viewing pleasure

you hate animals and no amount of bullshit rationalization can justify your participation in this fucking holocaust.

just a friendly reminder.

Oh, Vegans. Never change. You people make me hungry for a nice McRib.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 08, 2014, 03:18:45 am
What's the context of the 3rd one?

The fourth one isn't Sj related and is honestly not particularly bad.

To be fair, 5 was saying you only could get of of jerking off to fanfics.

8 was obviously not being serious about the bleeding.

10 isn't really that bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 08, 2014, 03:40:22 am
Quote from: I am lizard on November 08, 2014, 12:53:14 am
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/451e2d7078ab2ad73486e5f6632643f5/tumblr_ne2oc7ZN641u0ftl6o2_500.png)
"I'm kinky"

Actually, from what I've seen, the SJ side of Tumblr hates this.

So I'm not sure if this is so much an example of "Worst of SJ" as it is "Worst of Tumblr".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 08, 2014, 03:43:32 am
Quote from: I am lizard on November 08, 2014, 03:18:45 am
What's the context of the 3rd one?

The fourth one isn't Sj related and is honestly not particularly bad.

To be fair, 5 was saying you only could get of of jerking off to fanfics.

8 was obviously not being serious about the bleeding.

10 isn't really that bad.
3: the tumblr interface changed and everybody's mad.
4: it's a pretty obvious grab for sympathy, and it's annoying as hell.
5: "faps to slash fic" isn't an identity. A hobby, maybe, or a habit, but not an identity.
8: Google "free bleeding". Or don't. Actually, I'll explain it: free bleeding is the practice of purposefully making yourself into a walking whining biohazard by refusing to catch or control your menstrual flow. It's likely facetious, but this is tumblr.
10: "queerer sense of self and practice" is tumblrina for "becoming even weirder/more ~*radical*~ for the sake of being weird/radical. And it's damn weird to have "I should go have dinner with my little cousin" in the same breath as "I wanna bone somebody just as annoying as I am"!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 08, 2014, 03:56:39 am
.
Quote from: Ghoti on November 08, 2014, 03:43:32 am
Quote from: I am lizard on November 08, 2014, 03:18:45 am
What's the context of the 3rd one?

The fourth one isn't Sj related and is honestly not particularly bad.

To be fair, 5 was saying you only could get of of jerking off to fanfics.

8 was obviously not being serious about the bleeding.

10 isn't really that bad.
3: the tumblr interface changed and everybody's mad.
4: it's a pretty obvious grab for sympathy, and it's annoying as hell.
5: "faps to slash fic" isn't an identity. A hobby, maybe, or a habit, but not an identity.
8: Google "free bleeding". Or don't. Actually, I'll explain it: free bleeding is the practice of purposefully making yourself into a walking whining biohazard by refusing to catch or control your menstrual flow. It's likely facetious, but this is tumblr.
10: "queerer sense of self and practice" is tumblrina for "becoming even weirder/more ~*radical*~ for the sake of being weird/radical. And it's damn weird to have "I should go have dinner with my little cousin" in the same breath as "I wanna bone somebody just as annoying as I am"!
1.aahhh
4.true
5.never said it was.
6.I know what free bleeding is.
7. Yeah, looking back that pret- I get turned on by inflation artwork.

Edit: I should stop posting at 2am.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on November 08, 2014, 09:27:18 am
Re: Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan.

I'll admit I made a similar point before, but that was more "at least Ricardo Montelban looked enough like a North Indian guy that it was believable."

In this case, however, there's a serious double standard. Benedict Cumberbatch is a white man playing an Indian man, therefore CULTURAL APPROPRIATION! Ricardo Montelban is a Hispanic man playing an Indian man, therefore...nothing?

Finally, neither case really matters because Khan was supposed to have been a product of genetic engineering regardless of where he was born, so he could theoretically look like anyone. The only problem between his appearances as different races is one of series continuity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 08, 2014, 01:47:51 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on November 08, 2014, 02:38:35 am

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/2e713e374523052585d3f00eb4e304a9/tumblr_neadsc1h0u1u00qgto1_1280.png)

I'm not too familiar with Dr. Strange, but as far as I can tell he's white. What culture is Benadryl Cabbagepatch appropriating there? Wizards?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 08, 2014, 01:55:11 pm
Dr. Strange? they talking about Dr. Hugo Strange, the Batman villain? isn't he white as fuck?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 08, 2014, 02:11:01 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 08, 2014, 01:55:11 pm
Dr. Strange? they talking about Dr. Hugo Strange, the Batman villain? isn't he white as fuck?

No, they're talking about the Marvel Superhero, the Sorcerer Supreme.

The issue is really that there are a lot of other (admittedly white) actors that actually look like Dr. Strange, whereas Benedryl Pumpernickle (this is an oddly fun pastime) looks more like a Salarian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 08, 2014, 04:34:19 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on November 08, 2014, 01:47:51 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on November 08, 2014, 02:38:35 am

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/2e713e374523052585d3f00eb4e304a9/tumblr_neadsc1h0u1u00qgto1_1280.png)

I'm not too familiar with Dr. Strange, but as far as I can tell he's white. What culture is Benadryl Cabbagepatch appropriating there? Wizards?

They're stupid and honestly think Strange is latino.  He's not.  He's white as the day is long.

Ironbite-Tumblr just wants Benedict to only play Sherlock
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 08, 2014, 04:43:07 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/gcy1i8b.jpg)

TL;DR: Crazy person severs all ties with loved ones for not being vegan. Then wonders why he's lonely.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 08, 2014, 05:00:05 pm
Yeah, there's nothing even slightly non-American about a man named Stephen Strange, and no, that's actually NOT sarcasm.  Busybum Cabbagepatch is pretty crackeriffic, and thus, wholly appropriate to play the Sorcerer Supreme.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 08, 2014, 05:00:35 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 08, 2014, 04:43:07 pm
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TL;DR: Crazy person severs all ties with loved ones for not being vegan. Then wonders why he's lonely.
I've found a new hobby: reading obnoxious vegan screeds while eating chicken nuggets.

Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 08, 2014, 05:00:05 pm
Yeah, there's nothing even slightly non-American about a man named Stephen Strange, and no, that's actually NOT sarcasm.  Busybum Cabbagepatch is pretty crackeriffic, and thus, wholly appropriate to play the Sorcerer Supreme.
They're mad because they only want Benadryl Cookiecatch to play autistic trans-racial quoposexual fictivekin Sherlock. Although I'm pretty sure that at least one blog dedicated to quadgendered tortoisekin Dr. Strange will pop up, if it hasn't already.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 08, 2014, 05:03:01 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on November 08, 2014, 05:00:35 pm
I've found my new favorite hobby: reading obnoxious vegan screeds while eating chicken nuggets.

Would it be improved if the chicken nuggets were dinosaur-shaped?  Because I think it would be.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 08, 2014, 06:49:59 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on November 08, 2014, 02:11:01 pm

The issue is really that there are a lot of other (admittedly white) actors that actually look like Dr. Strange, whereas Benedryl Pumpernickle (this is an oddly fun pastime) looks more like a Salarian.

Which is sort of a valid criticism, I guess. I'm just puzzled because the tumblrite in question was accusing Benzodiazepine Cumbermund of racism and erasing cultures. I'm pretty sure "looks like Dr. Strange" is not a race.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 08, 2014, 07:31:09 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on November 08, 2014, 06:49:59 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on November 08, 2014, 02:11:01 pm

The issue is really that there are a lot of other (admittedly white) actors that actually look like Dr. Strange, whereas Benedryl Pumpernickle (this is an oddly fun pastime) looks more like a Salarian.

Which is sort of a valid criticism, I guess. I'm just puzzled because the tumblrite in question was accusing Benzodiazepine Cumbermund of racism and erasing cultures. I'm pretty sure "looks like Dr. Strange" is not a race.

However, "looks like Steven Tyler from Aerosmith" is most certainly a race.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on November 08, 2014, 07:41:26 pm
So what is the deal with Tumblrinas and Benzene Chesterfield anyway? They like him because he plays an ambiguously-sexual, ambiguously-gendered possibly-autistic character in one TV show and get annoyed when he plays any role that isn't that?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on November 08, 2014, 08:51:45 pm
Quote from: dpareja on November 08, 2014, 07:41:26 pm
So what is the deal with Tumblrinas and Benzene Chesterfield anyway? They like him because he plays an ambiguously-sexual, ambiguously-gendered possibly-autistic character in one TV show and get annoyed when he plays any role that isn't that?

Sherlock isn't even ambiguous in his gender, and he's played as asexual more than anything (any apparent hints to homosexuality are mostly just vaguely veiled references to Johnlock shipping in the fandom dating back literally to when Arthur Conan Doyle was still alive and writing). Superwholock fans are just.....really crazy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 08, 2014, 09:20:31 pm
Quote from: chitoryu12 on November 08, 2014, 08:51:45 pm
Quote from: dpareja on November 08, 2014, 07:41:26 pm
So what is the deal with Tumblrinas and Benzene Chesterfield anyway? They like him because he plays an ambiguously-sexual, ambiguously-gendered possibly-autistic character in one TV show and get annoyed when he plays any role that isn't that?

Sherlock isn't even ambiguous in his gender, and he's played as asexual more than anything (any apparent hints to homosexuality are mostly just vaguely veiled references to Johnlock shipping in the fandom dating back literally to when Arthur Conan Doyle was still alive and writing). Superwholock fans are just.....really crazy.
Well, the actor thinks of Sherlock as being Ace, the guy who writes it says he's celibate.
I personally prefer the theory he's asexual and aromatic, that way I can accuse Johnlock shippers of erasing Ace identities.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 08, 2014, 09:25:02 pm
Quote from: dpareja on November 08, 2014, 07:41:26 pm
So what is the deal with Tumblrinas and Benzene Chesterfield anyway? They like him because he plays an ambiguously-sexual, ambiguously-gendered possibly-autistic character in one TV show and get annoyed when he plays any role that isn't that?


The two seem to be separate camps.

There's the tumblrites that just fall in love with Benedryl Cucumberpatch and want him to be in everything.
And the tumblrites that hate that he's even in Sherlock, hate his fanbase, hate everything about him, and spend a small amount of effort on finding new ways to massacre his name.

I like the second camp more.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on November 08, 2014, 09:50:29 pm
But dercter strenge is guilty of Asian cultural appropation! I reads it on tumblr, it must be true!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 08, 2014, 09:54:12 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on November 08, 2014, 09:25:02 pm
Quote from: dpareja on November 08, 2014, 07:41:26 pm
So what is the deal with Tumblrinas and Benzene Chesterfield anyway? They like him because he plays an ambiguously-sexual, ambiguously-gendered possibly-autistic character in one TV show and get annoyed when he plays any role that isn't that?


The two seem to be separate camps.

There's the tumblrites that just fall in love with Benedryl Cucumberpatch and want him to be in everything.
And the tumblrites that hate that he's even in Sherlock, hate his fanbase, hate everything about him, and spend a small amount of effort on finding new ways to massacre his name.

I like the second camp more.

You don't have to hate Benghazi Countersnatch to have fun massacring his name. I kind of like him in Sherlock, mostly indifferent to his work elsewhere.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 08, 2014, 10:17:59 pm
I only like him as Smaug, but you could've gotten any bloke with a posh accent to do that role, and it still would've been hot as hell.

Since, you know, it was basically put through a massive filter to make it sound like it was coming from a great big beast.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 08, 2014, 10:38:02 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on November 08, 2014, 10:17:59 pm
I only like him as Smaug, but you could've gotten any bloke with a posh accent to do that role, and it still would've been hot as hell.

Since, you know, it was basically put through a massive filter to make it sound like it was coming from a great big beast.
He also did the motion capture, which (I'm told) is harder than it looks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on November 08, 2014, 10:39:29 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on November 08, 2014, 10:38:02 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on November 08, 2014, 10:17:59 pm
I only like him as Smaug, but you could've gotten any bloke with a posh accent to do that role, and it still would've been hot as hell.

Since, you know, it was basically put through a massive filter to make it sound like it was coming from a great big beast.
He also did the motion capture, which (I'm told) is harder than it looks.

Mostly because Biscuiteer Cancerscratch was doing motion and facial capture for a completely inhuman beast.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 08, 2014, 10:54:54 pm
Another wtfsocialjustice dump:
(http://36.media.tumblr.com/3b26757d3469da6b201c653f61655466/tumblr_n6zh50LQ9C1ryeto5o1_400.png)
Come at me, bro.
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/547c2491e9480ad7c0f57f3d651fccd6/tumblr_n663kxtwHY1ryeto5o1_1280.jpg)
I can hear my English teacher crying.
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/810d5477ff25382832f32a83c91cfc99/tumblr_n6o32p9E9D1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
Have fun replacing your mattress when it rots.
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/6177f47b8adbd861854446427ee1bba6/tumblr_n6o1vgfB4l1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
If you're saying shit like "fun-fun sola yes-fest" you're too goddamned young for a fucking Hitachi wand.
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/1aa1402b7f34bea16f83dfc1d32efb7b/tumblr_n61h6kQ52w1ryeto5o1_400.png)
Because mental illnesses exist for you to make existing characters ~*quirky*~!!!!
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/c91ccbd535e1154ef515adf836d781cc/tumblr_n61fmj1ZOz1ryeto5o1_400.png)
I'm just curious if this kid would be offended by someone calling them autistic (in an insulting way) online.
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/662fa11cb6be6c8bbb58feb849175246/tumblr_n5xnrp1Mrb1ryeto5o1_500.png)
Fuck off and die. Nothing clever to say here, just... Fuck off.
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/5664dfed3c075a085c7ab1f167308d5f/tumblr_n5x7ywP2x21ryeto5o1_1280.png)
"Pants are a social construct" what if YOU'RE a social construct what then huh
(http://36.media.tumblr.com/dfecc8cc2e5e6681047905a1314f68bf/tumblr_n3kensV4u71ryeto5o1_400.png)
How helpful.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 09, 2014, 12:49:35 am
@ the last one; are you going to make niam slap a bitch?

I swear, these SJWs are curving so far around to the left that they hit the right...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 09, 2014, 12:52:48 am
That's it. I cannot take "social construct" seriously anymore.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 09, 2014, 12:56:59 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 09, 2014, 12:52:48 am
That's it. I cannot take "social construct" seriously anymore.
socia-
This joke is to obvious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 09, 2014, 01:12:32 am
Quote from: I am lizard on November 09, 2014, 12:56:59 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 09, 2014, 12:52:48 am
That's it. I cannot take "social construct" seriously anymore.
socia-
This joke is to obvious.
Obvious jokes are a social construct anyway.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 09, 2014, 01:17:45 am
When I first saw the phrase (in regards to gender and gender roles) I could understand where they were coming from.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 09, 2014, 03:50:35 am
^^ YOUR MOM IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 09, 2014, 03:56:19 am
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/8697a9f4808ef80316a5b929e68aaf7b/tumblr_neg7c8WpVR1u00qgto1_400.png)

I'm outta the loop, so what the fuck is a -cute?

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/e819d89e025e9560903339991402497a/tumblr_neqyncLVGI1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Whine. Some. More.

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/d1562952fa76ddc8e16e5e43cf3c1749/tumblr_nesi6qnOTr1u00qgto1_500.png)

I swear, these whiners over Naruto's ending are really cropping up more and more.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 10, 2014, 12:51:48 am
I'm slightly unhappy with it,

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 10, 2014, 01:05:37 am
Let's hide Naruto spoilers for a while, please. There may be people who haven't read the (illegal) scanlations yet.

(click to show/hide)

And now for Social justice and the bad/silly things in the movement:

Warning, huge picture.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 10, 2014, 08:09:53 am
(https://i.imgur.com/zGppbfm.jpg)

Jealous fatty detected
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 10, 2014, 01:53:27 pm
So she's mad because no "hot" guys paid attention to her even though she didn't want them to in the first place?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 10, 2014, 02:53:19 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 10, 2014, 08:09:53 am
(https://i.imgur.com/zGppbfm.jpg)

Jealous fatty detected
Was insulting her weight necessary?
(Yes she's being unreasonable.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 10, 2014, 03:04:18 pm
I'm fat as well so I'm allowed to. I'm also working to lose weight and eat healthier overall instead of bitching on tumblr about how people are obligated to consider me attractive otherwise OPRESHUN.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 10, 2014, 03:06:09 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 10, 2014, 03:04:18 pm
I'm fat as well so I'm allowed to. I'm also working to lose weight and eat healthier overall instead of bitching on tumblr about how people are obligated to consider me attractive otherwise OPRESHUN.
So Fa-word privileges?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 10, 2014, 03:16:25 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on November 10, 2014, 03:06:09 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 10, 2014, 03:04:18 pm
I'm fat as well so I'm allowed to. I'm also working to lose weight and eat healthier overall instead of bitching on tumblr about how people are obligated to consider me attractive otherwise OPRESHUN.
So Fa-word privileges?

Yeah :P Eh, maybe I'm being too harsh on her, I know what it feels like to be ignored. but these tumblrites who don't work on improving themselves and just complain are really getting on my tits.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on November 10, 2014, 03:19:56 pm
Anyone notice how she's pissed that hot guys aren't paying attention to her because they find her unattractive?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Witchyjoshy on November 10, 2014, 04:01:02 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on November 10, 2014, 03:19:56 pm
Anyone notice how she's pissed that hot guys aren't paying attention to her because they find her unattractive?

Indeed.

Namely, she's already excluding men she feels are "ugly", and yet she's complaining that she's being excluded for the same reason.

It's a double standard.  And I hate double standards.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 10, 2014, 04:52:38 pm
Quote from: Witchyjoshy on November 10, 2014, 04:01:02 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on November 10, 2014, 03:19:56 pm
Anyone notice how she's pissed that hot guys aren't paying attention to her because they find her unattractive?

Indeed.

Namely, she's already excluding men she feels are "ugly", and yet she's complaining that she's being excluded for the same reason.

It's a double standard.  And I hate double standards.
I'm fine with them just as long as the persons not black.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 14, 2014, 12:32:18 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/vry7fk.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 14, 2014, 03:13:57 pm
Can we just nuke Gawker media already?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 14, 2014, 04:05:54 pm
Can't tell if trolling...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 14, 2014, 04:11:11 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 14, 2014, 03:13:57 pm
Can we just nuke Gawker media already?

Don't worry. With the upcoming intern's lawsuit, and advertisers pulling out one by one, Gawker's on their last legs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on November 14, 2014, 09:50:05 pm
Gawker took a body hit with a few advertisers pulling out for sure, but at least in the GG case advertisers are wising up and would rather avoid the controversy in the future. If, however they go under because they don't want to pay their interns-good riddance to 'em.

In both cases there isn't sufficient evidence to declare them sunk just yet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 15, 2014, 01:55:09 am
(http://i.imgur.com/gyIm7Kg.png)

Did you cut yourself on all that edge?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 15, 2014, 02:38:48 am
I am pretty sure with my claymore, I have better cutting range than you, lady.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 15, 2014, 03:14:28 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 15, 2014, 01:55:09 am
(http://i.imgur.com/gyIm7Kg.png)
FIGHT ME IRL BOSH'TET
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on November 15, 2014, 06:42:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/oCjTGej.png?1)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 15, 2014, 06:48:48 am
Yeah, sure, completely pointless, moronic and pretentious arguments between fanfucks over whether or not your favourite anime should be solely based on what turns your vagina into a waterslide is totally what homophobia is all about. I don't know about you lot, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 16, 2014, 11:19:48 am
(https://media.8chan.co/gg/src/1416125531945.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on November 16, 2014, 11:36:39 am
*stares for a bit, then just facepalms* oh, for the love of science... so we're just supposed to ignore any and all scientific discoveries made by men now? Yes, let's go with that... oy vey.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 16, 2014, 11:38:39 am
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on November 16, 2014, 11:36:39 am
*stares for a bit, then just facepalms* oh, for the love of science... so we're just supposed to ignore any and all scientific discoveries made by men now? Yes, let's go with that... oy vey.

No, just white men.  Because that's so much better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 16, 2014, 01:12:20 pm
Can't tell if real or troll...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 16, 2014, 01:32:39 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 16, 2014, 01:12:20 pm
Can't tell if real or troll...
Troll
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 16, 2014, 02:23:36 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on November 16, 2014, 01:32:39 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 16, 2014, 01:12:20 pm
Can't tell if real or troll...
Troll

ok thanks bro
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 16, 2014, 02:42:10 pm
It's gotta be a troll. Everyone knows Tesla believed in sterilizing the mentally ill.

Also, look what I found:

Quote
For millions of years, the machismo act of inventing stuff has been celebrated fiercely by society. It began sometime like millions of years ago, when some white cis cave dudebro accidentally stumbled on a rock and somehow made a wheel out of a tree trunk or something. I’m sure his name was Boner and he was probably a raging misogynist, even by the standard of those Ye Olde times. Proud, he beat his chest and called over the other oppressors, who were busy dragging strong—but sadly, at this stage in herstory, dependent—cave-womyn (I’m sure some were of color) by the hair and calling their sons weird for being gay.

Quote
But what is to say that it is in fact men who invented these inventions? What is to say this isn’t just an inventive cover-up invented in a place called Boulder on the wild Colorado, in the Boardrooms of the Patriarchy’s HQs? What is to say that most inventions aren’t in fact invented by women? Doesn’t the name Nikola Tesla sound suspiciously much like Nikole Tesla, a strong and intelligent woman in her 20s who probably lived at that time, too? The heap of questions pile up and are too hard for someone with an incisive mind like mine to ignore. Guess what, Patriarchy? Your misogynist conspiracy is about to be called out. Anne Gus is on the case.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/anne-gus/2014/05/nikola-tesla-was-a-woman/

Obvious troll of course. But I still thought it was hilarious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 16, 2014, 02:53:53 pm
What is also hilarious is that I know a woman called Nikola (In Poland it is a woman's name but it causes a lot of confusion abroad.) so they wouldn't even have to change Tesla's name for the patriarchy's cover up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 16, 2014, 04:28:22 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 16, 2014, 02:23:36 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on November 16, 2014, 01:32:39 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 16, 2014, 01:12:20 pm
Can't tell if real or troll...
Troll

ok thanks bro
I know dis bcuz I am smarter than you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on November 17, 2014, 11:30:00 am
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/89e2f178bd7c25ccadb929fdfa79baed/tumblr_nelp6dMbpy1u00qgto1_1280.png)

(http://makeameme.org/media/created/how-about-no-kul1kn.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 17, 2014, 12:09:49 pm
https://archive.today/Wl7q5 (https://archive.today/Wl7q5)

So dressing casually is sexist now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 17, 2014, 01:17:08 pm
According to the Outrage Creators. Those people make Rush Limbaugh look like a credible news source.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 18, 2014, 08:02:59 am
(https://i.imgur.com/WDDMi6a.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 18, 2014, 10:05:11 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 18, 2014, 08:02:59 am
(https://i.imgur.com/WDDMi6a.jpg)
I think they confused this for a different social networking site...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 18, 2014, 08:48:14 pm
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/ee36f272e4fa505748be9c592ed9ec78/tumblr_nevvhjXGwE1u00qgto1_1280.png)

You are not Doctor Who, Sherlock, some anime character or ANY fictional idea! If learning this "triggers" you, too fucking bad. Pretend to writhe there learning the truth.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 18, 2014, 09:25:05 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on November 18, 2014, 08:48:14 pm
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/ee36f272e4fa505748be9c592ed9ec78/tumblr_nevvhjXGwE1u00qgto1_1280.png)

You are not Doctor Who, Sherlock, some anime character or ANY fictional idea! If learning this "triggers" you, too fucking bad. Pretend to writhe there learning the truth.
Part of me wants to say this is a troll (NOT THAT KIND), but I'm afraid it's not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on November 18, 2014, 09:35:48 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on November 18, 2014, 08:48:14 pm
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/ee36f272e4fa505748be9c592ed9ec78/tumblr_nevvhjXGwE1u00qgto1_1280.png)

You are not Doctor Who, Sherlock, some anime character or ANY fictional idea! If learning this "triggers" you, too fucking bad. Pretend to writhe there learning the truth.

> identifies as Shinji

I say we engage in psychological warfare with this individual by not doing what he says. He should aspire to have a meltdown worthy of Shinji.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 19, 2014, 08:41:02 am
Shinji, you mean Evangelion Shinji?  The kid that kinda fucked the entire world over during a massive psychological meltdown?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 19, 2014, 12:52:27 pm
This could be the schadenfreude to end all schadenfreude.

I'm getting giddy just thinking about triggering this kid over and over again.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 21, 2014, 05:20:10 am
And I looked on tumblr and there are too many instances of tumblrinas cheering on the ALF to count or to post here.

Surely they remember what happened to Osama Bin Laden, and how strict terrorism laws are...right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 21, 2014, 07:26:25 am
Quote from: niam2023 on November 21, 2014, 05:20:10 am
And I looked on tumblr and there are too many instances of tumblrinas cheering on the ALF to count or to post here.

Surely they remember what happened to Osama Bin Laden, and how strict terrorism laws are...right?

We only assassinate brown terrorists in God's Country, thankyouverymuch.

Seriously, though, we let domestic terrorist organizations and other such malignant parasites stay in this country because our priorities are completely, utterly fucked.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 21, 2014, 10:38:01 am
There's this girl named "Shrooms goodness" or something who's been breathing marijuana smoke on cats and responding to anyone pointing out that that's bad for cats by going "Lol no".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 21, 2014, 05:16:24 pm
Yeah I had that cross my tumblr.  She says they consent by nudging the bowel with their paws but I think she might be stoned.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 21, 2014, 05:37:53 pm
Quote from: ironbite on November 21, 2014, 05:16:24 pm
Yeah I had that cross my tumblr.  She says they consent by nudging the bowel with their paws but I think she might be stoned.
That sounds rather messy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 21, 2014, 10:06:15 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/PFjCiAt.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 22, 2014, 11:07:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/1QdJwoj.jpg)

Have fun explaining that tattoo to future employers.

Oh wait, it's Ahuviya. Never mind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on November 22, 2014, 11:27:45 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 22, 2014, 11:07:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/1QdJwoj.jpg)

Have fun explaining that tattoo to future employers.

Oh wait, it's Ahuviya. Never mind.

Ah, the freak is still a freak.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 23, 2014, 12:40:23 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 22, 2014, 11:07:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/1QdJwoj.jpg)

Have fun explaining that tattoo to future employers.

Oh wait, it's Ahuviya. Never mind.
Tattooed with sharpie.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 23, 2014, 01:24:07 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on November 22, 2014, 11:07:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/1QdJwoj.jpg)

Have fun explaining that tattoo to future employers.

Oh wait, it's Ahuviya. Never mind.

Be careful with all that EDGY Ahuviya, you'll get yourself in the eye...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on November 23, 2014, 02:05:13 pm
(https://archive.is/pCsQD/3357cb29072769dcdbf3cd77c156384e4f9c918c.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 23, 2014, 11:28:26 pm
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/77ec3bbe7fe6bec236cc9abe364cf158/tumblr_nfiuyaFdbp1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Hey look its a member of the Harley Quinn Club of Psycho Admirers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 24, 2014, 01:40:31 am
At first I assumed that Dylan is Bob Dylan and didn't see the problem until I looked at the hashtags.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 24, 2014, 10:28:11 am
Quote from: askold on November 24, 2014, 01:40:31 am
At first I assumed that Dylan is Bob Dylan and didn't see the problem until I looked at the hashtags.

Um, Bob Dylan is still alive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 24, 2014, 01:30:00 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 24, 2014, 10:28:11 am
Quote from: askold on November 24, 2014, 01:40:31 am
At first I assumed that Dylan is Bob Dylan and didn't see the problem until I looked at the hashtags.

Um, Bob Dylan is still alive.

So? Why can't a person dream about meeting a living celebrity? In fact if it was their life long goal to meet a dead celebrity then that would be impossible/hard to accomplish depending on your beliefs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 24, 2014, 01:45:28 pm
Quote from: askold on November 24, 2014, 01:30:00 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 24, 2014, 10:28:11 am
Quote from: askold on November 24, 2014, 01:40:31 am
At first I assumed that Dylan is Bob Dylan and didn't see the problem until I looked at the hashtags.

Um, Bob Dylan is still alive.

So? Why can't a person dream about meeting a living celebrity? In fact if it was their life long goal to meet a dead celebrity then that would be impossible/hard to accomplish depending on your beliefs.

Except the person says that "Dylan" is dead.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 24, 2014, 02:14:02 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 24, 2014, 01:45:28 pm
Quote from: askold on November 24, 2014, 01:30:00 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 24, 2014, 10:28:11 am
Quote from: askold on November 24, 2014, 01:40:31 am
At first I assumed that Dylan is Bob Dylan and didn't see the problem until I looked at the hashtags.

Um, Bob Dylan is still alive.

So? Why can't a person dream about meeting a living celebrity? In fact if it was their life long goal to meet a dead celebrity then that would be impossible/hard to accomplish depending on your beliefs.

Except the person says that "Dylan" is dead.

Well I obviously missed that sentence despite reading the text a few times already... I did not know that my reading comprehension was this bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2014, 07:54:37 pm
Quote from: askold on November 24, 2014, 02:14:02 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 24, 2014, 01:45:28 pm
Quote from: askold on November 24, 2014, 01:30:00 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 24, 2014, 10:28:11 am
Quote from: askold on November 24, 2014, 01:40:31 am
At first I assumed that Dylan is Bob Dylan and didn't see the problem until I looked at the hashtags.

Um, Bob Dylan is still alive.

So? Why can't a person dream about meeting a living celebrity? In fact if it was their life long goal to meet a dead celebrity then that would be impossible/hard to accomplish depending on your beliefs.

Except the person says that "Dylan" is dead.

Well I obviously missed that sentence despite reading the text a few times already... I did not know that my reading comprehension was this bad.

I'm sure we've all had moments like this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 25, 2014, 11:13:35 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/f0fveiT.jpg)

TAG YOUR ZELDA SHITLORDS!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on November 25, 2014, 11:19:22 pm
The fuck is this idiot's problem?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 26, 2014, 05:03:08 am
Knowing Tumblr's brand of idiocy, it is a Link-Kin or Zelda-Kin, and is TRIGGERED by images of the real characters.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 26, 2014, 08:19:56 am
Zelda is a well known member of the HETEROPATRIARCHY
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on November 26, 2014, 07:28:25 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2849716/Georgetown-University-student-mugged-gunpoint-says-unable-criticize-attackers-perch-privilege.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/26/student-oliver-friedfeld-mugged-wrote-amazing-letter_n_6224510.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Google the name Oliver Friedfeld if you want more info on this fucking moron.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 26, 2014, 10:52:08 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on November 26, 2014, 05:03:08 am
Knowing Tumblr's brand of idiocy, it is a Link-Kin or Zelda-Kin, and is TRIGGERED by images of the real characters.

No, she broke up with someone who loved Zelda and she hasn't gotten over it yet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 27, 2014, 03:24:14 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3dx69gIYAAW6qg.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 27, 2014, 06:32:27 pm
Maybe not. but it certainly makes you a bit of a cunt.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 28, 2014, 01:40:06 am
I think the term is "gendercide."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 29, 2014, 09:46:02 am
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/872/146/d66.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 29, 2014, 09:59:22 am
Technically, he's correct, except his extent is far, far too narrow.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the concept of "race" simply doesn't exist in a biological sense.  There's people whose skin happens to be darker than some, or whose eyes look a little different, but they're not different on any truly meaningful level, just slightly different (if I remember the term correctly) morphology.

Put another way, its like saying a Russian blue cat is fundamentally different from a calico.  In any measurable, meaningful sense, they're the same thing.  They're both cats, one's coat is just different from the other.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 29, 2014, 11:15:17 am
But it is possible to be racist against white people. Even if none of the different ethnic groups amongst humans is considered a separate race that does not wipe away the concept of "racism."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on November 30, 2014, 10:00:09 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/ojcEjEl.png)

A minor option that you don't have to choose isn't oppressing you. If you're that bothered by it then don't buy the damn game you fucking douchebag.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 01, 2014, 02:19:08 pm
SJW overreaction once again: (spoilered due to size)
(click to show/hide)

Random person makes a few racist jokes. Social Justice Warriors believe that the appropriate reaction is to doxx her, send death threats, threaten to burn down her house, threaten to rape her, threaten to kill her children and send their dismembered bodies to her after raping her.

Social justice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 01, 2014, 02:41:11 pm
but we're progressive tho that makes it okay
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on December 01, 2014, 03:39:38 pm
Quote from: askold on December 01, 2014, 02:19:08 pm
SJW overreaction once again: (spoilered due to size)
(click to show/hide)

Random person makes a few racist jokes. Social Justice Warriors believe that the appropriate reaction is to doxx her, send death threats, threaten to burn down her house, threaten to rape her, threaten to kill her children and send their dismembered bodies to her after raping her.

Social justice.

Social Justice calls it "punching up" when they do this, so it's automatically okay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 01, 2014, 04:22:01 pm
They need to be reminded of the rule of law, and see it enforced upon them ruthlessly. If I was in charge, the very least I would do would be to delete their blogs and email accounts, and confiscate their computers and mobile phones.

The very most I would do? The very most severe response? Well, I'd estimate Cesare Borgia would approve.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Murdin on December 01, 2014, 04:30:19 pm
Quote from: askold on December 01, 2014, 02:19:08 pm
SJW overreaction once again: (spoilered due to size)
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Random person makes a few racist jokes. Social Justice Warriors believe that the appropriate reaction is to doxx her, send death threats, threaten to burn down her house, threaten to rape her, threaten to kill her children and send their dismembered bodies to her after raping her.

Social justice.

In the last few months, some people have overused the whole concept of SJW bullies trying to destroy the lives of anyone that offend them, to the point that it almost became meaningless to me. So please let me put the record straight.

THIS is an affront to human decency. Everyone who participated in this harassment campaign deserve all the disgust and contempt mustered against them, and then some more.


Quote from: I am lizard on December 01, 2014, 03:48:12 pm
They need to chill.

Understatement of the year.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 01, 2014, 05:27:10 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on December 01, 2014, 03:39:38 pm
Quote from: askold on December 01, 2014, 02:19:08 pm
SJW overreaction once again: (spoilered due to size)
(click to show/hide)

Random person makes a few racist jokes. Social Justice Warriors believe that the appropriate reaction is to doxx her, send death threats, threaten to burn down her house, threaten to rape her, threaten to kill her children and send their dismembered bodies to her after raping her.

Social justice.

Social Justice calls it "punching up" when they do this, so it's automatically okay.

In not-crazy Social Justice, "punching up/down" is about humour. Punching down is making a joke at the expense of a minority/the underprivileged, punching up is making fun of the people in power/the majority.

Not that I'm surprised the radflakes would abuse the concept to justify doxxing and such. Just a reminder that it has a legitimate use as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 01, 2014, 09:33:34 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 01, 2014, 05:27:10 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on December 01, 2014, 03:39:38 pm
Quote from: askold on December 01, 2014, 02:19:08 pm
SJW overreaction once again: (spoilered due to size)
(click to show/hide)

Random person makes a few racist jokes. Social Justice Warriors believe that the appropriate reaction is to doxx her, send death threats, threaten to burn down her house, threaten to rape her, threaten to kill her children and send their dismembered bodies to her after raping her.

Social justice.

Social Justice calls it "punching up" when they do this, so it's automatically okay.

In not-crazy Social Justice, "punching up/down" is about humour. Punching down is making a joke at the expense of a minority/the underprivileged, punching up is making fun of the people in power/the majority.

Not that I'm surprised the radflakes would abuse the concept to justify doxxing and such. Just a reminder that it has a legitimate use as well.

it's posts like this that remind us why sigma's admin. short, sweet, to the point, and clear as spring water. if there was a +rep, you'd get mine.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 02, 2014, 05:14:09 am
Quote from: askold on December 01, 2014, 02:19:08 pm
SJW overreaction once again: (spoilered due to size)
(click to show/hide)

Random person makes a few racist jokes. Social Justice Warriors believe that the appropriate reaction is to doxx her, send death threats, threaten to burn down her house, threaten to rape her, threaten to kill her children and send their dismembered bodies to her after raping her.

Social justice.
Ck was in the wrong here, but Jesus fucking Christ...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on December 02, 2014, 07:16:10 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Q2lCSgl.png)
(The second one is about Christopher Hitchens)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on December 02, 2014, 07:40:54 pm
Quote from: WatermelonRat on December 02, 2014, 07:16:10 pm
-snip-
(The second one is about Christopher Hitchens)

This isn't necessarily a contradiction. As Stallman said after Jobs's passing, "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 02, 2014, 08:31:00 pm
Alternatively, y'know, tribal signalling.

Being magnanimous about the deaths of some random person who has zero influence in your life is easy, even if the person was horrible. But saying something nice about a member of the Other Tribe, the group of people you fight politically and ideologically every day in your daily life, is much harder. (As usual, Scott Alexander explains it better than I could. Section VI in particular is directly relevant (http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/))
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on December 02, 2014, 08:32:55 pm
Quote from: WatermelonRat on December 02, 2014, 07:16:10 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Q2lCSgl.png)
(The second one is about Christopher Hitchens)

Killed =/= death by natural causes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 02, 2014, 08:42:54 pm
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/142dedc2765ca05df630ca83db9fdced/tumblr_nfmto2FHrc1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Giving you information is now bullying.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/93183f67e5aa2403e564e879902f8185/tumblr_nfy1mtgJbF1u00qgto1_500.png)

This is getting out of hand.

(http://wtfsocialjustice.tumblr.com/image/104115022485)

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/02f634afe2cb21bd1b5f6d65e84ed08a/tumblr_nfvq4vuhK71u00qgto1_1280.png)

Anorexia = bad, horrible eating disorder. Therefore the opposite must be good!

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/5c2f8b289ea62483cd643af9193ed906/tumblr_nfvoirwZdE1u00qgto1_500.png)

Tumblrinas decide they want a website that doesn't permit non-Social Justice point of views.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/380750020d1c1909f21bca88f8eacccb/tumblr_nfiwyliVpw1u00qgto1_400.png)

She sounds like she'd be a wonderful person to have in class.

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/297ce96ba8ca25721345f3d703325184/tumblr_nfvb6d3lhi1u00qgto1_500.png)

Fucking fandom...

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/adf019535cdb0768c80f9fd71ca541cf/tumblr_nftl0uRIv51u00qgto1_1280.png)

Now, I could not support the police less, but this is just silly.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/37034c6986bd97d9e5c0848a45cac9f6/tumblr_nfs5dbYMhG1u00qgto1_400.png)

Your headcanons are not important.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/690db2821910e37ae381b844627529f9/tumblr_nfazjkKjOl1u00qgto1_400.png)

Them or Us mentality in action.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/447b6fb0311cc493d82b6a7f12843983/tumblr_nf2210HFpv1u00qgto1_400.png)

Ex-fictkin who realize they acted completely fucking stupid back then are the best.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/3738c856af53a69c91e2dff66d53083d/tumblr_nfmth4FooJ1u00qgto1_1280.png)

radflakes are angry that Tumblr does not let them bully their enemies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 02, 2014, 09:47:21 pm
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/adf019535cdb0768c80f9fd71ca541cf/tumblr_nftl0uRIv51u00qgto1_1280.png)

Well fuck...



(https://38.media.tumblr.com/3738c856af53a69c91e2dff66d53083d/tumblr_nfmth4FooJ1u00qgto1_1280.png)
I will say I'm angered at the staffs reaction to the KKK, not because it was right or wrong to stop them from being doxxed but because the staff usually doesn't give a shit about doxxing or rape/death threats. 

Also, why are you calling the angry social justice ppl "Radflakes"? That term is meant as an insult towards radical feminists with dandruff problems.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on December 03, 2014, 01:29:12 am
Quote from: askold on November 29, 2014, 11:15:17 am
But it is possible to be racist against white people. Even if none of the different ethnic groups amongst humans is considered a separate race that does not wipe away the concept of "racism."

The current effort is actually to change the definition of racism. There's been an effort even among college professors (as I discovered when a friend of mine began repeating what he had "learned") to change the definition of racism so that it specifically refers to power + prejudice, leaving "bigotry" to simply mean.....well, bigotry.

The end result of this is that it allows people to make sweeping generalizations about the people "in power" and deflect accusations of racism by stating that they don't fit the definition.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 03, 2014, 01:37:48 am
That redefinition was probably what I came across when I discovered "social justice warriors" and I still think it is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on December 03, 2014, 03:08:10 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on December 03, 2014, 01:29:12 am
The end result of this is that it allows people to make sweeping generalizations about the people "in power" and deflect accusations of racism by stating that they don't fit the definition.
People abusing things brought up in academical discussion is nothing new. It doesn't necessarily mean that the discussion itself is flawed when viewed in the proper context.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 03, 2014, 10:16:49 am
And while we're on the subject:

(http://i.imgur.com/iApi3bB.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 03, 2014, 10:25:47 am
Can we plz stop with this prejudice + power shit
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on December 03, 2014, 10:51:15 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 03, 2014, 10:16:49 am
And while we're on the subject:

(http://i.imgur.com/iApi3bB.png)

I want to show that person this image:

(http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/aMbz7jx_700b.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on December 03, 2014, 01:47:20 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on December 02, 2014, 08:42:54 pm
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/37034c6986bd97d9e5c0848a45cac9f6/tumblr_nfs5dbYMhG1u00qgto1_400.png)

Your headcanons are not important.

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/new.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on December 03, 2014, 03:19:43 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 03, 2014, 10:16:49 am
And while we're on the subject:

(http://i.imgur.com/iApi3bB.png)
Borrowed from X group cannot be racist becuase Y group has more power in society.

Because structural discrimination is obviously identical to individual discrimination and all societies are identical-obviously.  ::)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 03, 2014, 07:39:29 pm
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/71bf6a3cd7cc39382f28dd36329af25f/tumblr_ndacrxyhjV1th84g1o1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 03, 2014, 07:50:47 pm
I think you'll have to re-host that image on some other site if you want it to show up, or just post it as a link.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 03, 2014, 10:57:49 pm
Freaking hilarious!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 03, 2014, 11:06:57 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on December 03, 2014, 10:57:49 pm
Freaking hilarious!
Figured it might be that, not completely sure if it belongs here or not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Alehksunos on December 04, 2014, 12:13:18 am
Quote from: Damen on December 03, 2014, 01:47:20 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on December 02, 2014, 08:42:54 pm
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/37034c6986bd97d9e5c0848a45cac9f6/tumblr_nfs5dbYMhG1u00qgto1_400.png)

Your headcanons are not important.

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/new.png)

I prefer the term "fanon" myself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 04, 2014, 12:50:00 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 02, 2014, 08:42:54 pm
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/142dedc2765ca05df630ca83db9fdced/tumblr_nfmto2FHrc1u00qgto1_1280.png)


You would have to be suffering from a pretty severe ED if simply seeing calories on a menu give you a panic attack.
Also, there are people out there that need to know their calorie intake for medical reasons. Informing these people is not bullying or shaming. Not everything is about you.

(http://i.imgur.com/iNyl7Ih.png)

Actually, neopronouns does hurt the trans community because it makes them look like they're making it up for attention.

(http://i.imgur.com/h3XbZav.png)

Same as above. Besides, if everyone had individual pronouns, what would be the point of names?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 04, 2014, 02:49:45 am
Personally, I'd love to say to an Otherkin that they're crazy and delusional outside of computer conversation.

Just to see what they think triggering looks like, and if they'll thrash around on the floor like a freshly hooked fish.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 04, 2014, 07:57:19 am
Quote from: Alehksunos on December 04, 2014, 12:13:18 am
Quote from: Damen on December 03, 2014, 01:47:20 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on December 02, 2014, 08:42:54 pm
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/37034c6986bd97d9e5c0848a45cac9f6/tumblr_nfs5dbYMhG1u00qgto1_400.png)

Your headcanons are not important.

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/new.png)

I prefer the term "fanon" myself.

wait, "headcanon" is "fanon"? geez, i feel silly, i thought headcanon was just that, or possibly a person's "headmates" shipping each other, or having abe lincoln as a headmate who thought that he was in love with malfoy. you know, real tumblrina kind of things.

@thejebusfire: too true.

@niam: somehow, i doubt you'll find one. but if you do, can you film it? i wanna see  ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 04, 2014, 11:53:46 am
The way I've understood is that "fanon" refers to a popular fan theory or alternate view, while "headcanon" is something personal. For example, you could say that the Stormtrooper incompetence in episode IV is because they wanted the rebels to escape so that they could follow them into their base is fanon because it seems to be a popular theory but Luke having how&hairy sex with Chewbacca is headcanon for those who ship it.

Also, fanon is less likely to contradict canon, so there can be a fanon theory of what some character did when they weren't in spotlight but if later it is revealed that they did something else at that time the fanon theory is dropped.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 04, 2014, 07:02:19 pm
^^ Alright, I'll try, and if I find one, I'll catch their "trigger" on my phone. Then I'll upload it to Youtube. I hope the Otherkin enjoys his fifteen minutes of internet fame.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on December 04, 2014, 07:23:25 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 04, 2014, 07:37:17 pm
Top kek.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 04, 2014, 07:53:27 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on December 04, 2014, 07:02:19 pm
^^ Alright, I'll try, and if I find one, I'll catch their "trigger" on my phone. Then I'll upload it to Youtube. I hope the Otherkin enjoys his fifteen minutes of internet fame.
Don't, it'll end up with some anti-social 13-year-old getting doxxed and sent letter threatening to rape and murder them.
(I'm referring to what will happen when /b/ discovers it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 04, 2014, 10:21:04 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/64e740.jpg)

Censorship doesn't change people's opinions, dumbass.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 04, 2014, 10:37:16 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/f3a3dae563d742e9c6894e02289c8f47/tumblr_nfeudoqPV41tltr4xo1_500.png)

Taking special snowflake to a whole new level.


(http://40.media.tumblr.com/768d0e92cb3de0c4e77a7b9d8011e0de/tumblr_nftldkEvlj1u00qgto1_500.png)

Congratulations on turning 12.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 05, 2014, 12:05:31 am
the first one shows a god complex, impulsivity, confessedly violent, and angry, but is usually calm and "tame", and enjoys the idea of blood sacrifice of people he deems "impure", and closes out with a vague threat. Enjoys the idea of being worshipped, and believes he deserves such treatment by all indication.

He might be dressing up one kind of disordered mind as another type of disorder. It is not all that uncommon...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 05, 2014, 02:44:13 am
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/5eb6edd1be172760627a2111390fb909/tumblr_ng2pya3iei1u0u007o1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 05, 2014, 03:28:41 am
And what is wrong with that tweet lizard?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 05, 2014, 03:36:47 am
Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 05, 2014, 04:00:39 am
KATY PERRY APPROPRIATING POC STRUGGLEZ!!!!!!!!!/sarcasm
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 05, 2014, 07:46:32 am
I guess the changing of "BlackLivesMatter" to "AllLivesMatter" is what you find wrong with it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 05, 2014, 10:28:37 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 05, 2014, 07:46:32 am
I guess the changing of "BlackLivesMatter" to "AllLivesMatter" is what you find wrong with it?
Yes. You don't go to a funeral and start shouting "I HAVE FELT LOSS TO!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 05, 2014, 10:54:18 am
I can see how you could see it as an intentional twist on #BlackLivesMatter, but you could just as easily take it as, well, the statement that all lives matter. Which is true.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 05, 2014, 10:58:21 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 05, 2014, 10:54:18 am
I can see how you could see it as an intentional twist on #BlackLivesMatter, but you could just as easily take it as, well, the statement that all lives matter. Which is true.
Yes, true.

To be honest I didn't even find it that offensive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 05, 2014, 11:01:18 am
Ok, into another topic I'm hastily bringing up as a distraction.
http://hayjulay.tumblr.com/post/81531484743/poorlittlequeenie-thebearqueen (http://hayjulay.tumblr.com/post/81531484743/poorlittlequeenie-thebearqueen)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 05, 2014, 04:21:59 pm
Dude, I totally want to play with a Tiger.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 05, 2014, 07:40:06 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on December 05, 2014, 07:43:41 pm
Lemme guess.  PETA? the ALF?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 05, 2014, 07:44:32 pm
So, I read the entirety of this thread. And then I come to this.

....

Quote from: thejebusfire on December 04, 2014, 10:37:16 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/f3a3dae563d742e9c6894e02289c8f47/tumblr_nfeudoqPV41tltr4xo1_500.png)

Taking special snowflake to a whole new level.
The actual fuck did I just read.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 05, 2014, 07:53:31 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 05, 2014, 07:40:06 pm
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Surely "you are what you eat" supports eating animals rather than vegetables? It's a stupid argument, but it's stupid in the wrong direction.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 05, 2014, 10:29:58 pm
I love how they accidentally make being an omnivore sound so fucking metal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 06, 2014, 12:23:29 am
Little known fact: they find vegans hilarious on Tumblr to.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 06, 2014, 03:47:45 am
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/b8758753746470bec7a0e89c7311aea1/tumblr_n5rwy2WBK61r2fshwo1_1280.png)

The only thing you'll cut is yourself on that edge.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 06, 2014, 04:19:20 am
Quote from: I am lizard on December 06, 2014, 12:23:29 am
Little known fact: they find vegans hilarious on Tumblr to.

Either you forgot the other o from too or you are missing words from that sentence.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 06, 2014, 06:32:31 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 05, 2014, 07:40:06 pm
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Yes, my stomach is a graveyard. And I'm rather proud of the sheer variety of creatures whose existences have fueled my continued life.

Oh my, that DID sound slightly villainous...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 06, 2014, 08:22:38 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 06, 2014, 06:32:31 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 05, 2014, 07:40:06 pm
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Yes, my stomach is a graveyard. And I'm rather proud of the sheer variety of creatures whose existences have fueled my continued life.

Oh my, that DID sound slightly villainous...

Not villainous, brotha: METAL.  Completely, utterly metal.  We will consume your rainbows, the very light from your sun, and dine on the flesh of the dead.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 06, 2014, 10:20:52 am
Clearly, they lifted both food group pictures from some online culinary blog or magazine, because they are beyond clueless to the fact that the depicted meats are perfectly fresh free range chicken, line caught fish, high quality charcuterie (preserved meats, i.e. sausages, hams, etc.), prime beef, etc. I know what quality meats and poultry look like after 35 years working in the fine dining restaurant business.

In any case, it's unlikely Homo Sapiens would have evolved to be fully sentient if there were not plenty of omega 3 and 6 fats and complete protein in our ancestors' diets. Brains are high energy use organs. The bigger the brain, the higher the fat and protein intake needed to make 'em grow big enough to function properly. Oh, wait... Ha.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 06, 2014, 10:07:28 pm
Quote
cishets: “”its not cishets that are hating you, its the homophobic/transphobic assholes!!! <3”“

you realize that those people are cishets right

1.  Not necessarily.  There are gay transphobes, and trans* homophobes.  Plus, there are also self-loathing gays and trans*.

2.  Even if the above is true, it doesn't justify painting with a broad brush.

ETA:

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the only reason “cishet” has a negative connotation is because cishets are fucking disgusting

Congratulations, you've just given ammo to homophobes and transphobes.

Also, thanks for showing your true colors.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 06, 2014, 10:22:49 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 06, 2014, 10:07:28 pm
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cishets: “”its not cishets that are hating you, its the homophobic/transphobic assholes!!! <3”“

you realize that those people are cishets right

1.  Not necessarily.  There are gay transphobes, and trans* homophobes.  Plus, there are also self-loathing gays and trans*.

2.  Even if the above is true, it doesn't justify painting with a broad brush.

ETA:

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the only reason “cishet” has a negative connotation is because cishets are fucking disgusting

Congratulations, you've just given ammo to homophobes and transphobes.

Also, thanks for showing your true colors.

dude, you owe me a new hypocritron. it's like an irony-meter, 'xcept it detects hypocrites. this douche-canoe is not homophobic but heterophobic, and truth be told, both are a plague to human decency.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 07, 2014, 06:20:14 pm
Quote
cis people: it doesnt matter if you think characters or cis or trans as long as youre not hurting feelings!! uwu

trans people: This character is trans

cis people: UHM NO SORRY DONT SAY THAT ITS NOT CANON SO DONT SAY THAT

trans people: but it doesnt say theyre cis either?

cis people: IT DOESNT SAY THEYRE TRANS EITHER!!!

trans people: this kind of hurts us?

cis people: STOP!!! SAYING!!! CHARACTER!!! ARE!! TRANS!!

(http://www.troll.me/images/idiot-gaston/what-the-fuck-am-i-reading.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 07, 2014, 07:23:29 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 07, 2014, 06:20:14 pm
Quote
cis people: it doesnt matter if you think characters or cis or trans as long as youre not hurting feelings!! uwu

trans people: This character is trans

cis people: UHM NO SORRY DONT SAY THAT ITS NOT CANON SO DONT SAY THAT

trans people: but it doesnt say theyre cis either?

cis people: IT DOESNT SAY THEYRE TRANS EITHER!!!

trans people: this kind of hurts us?

cis people: STOP!!! SAYING!!! CHARACTER!!! ARE!! TRANS!!

(http://www.troll.me/images/idiot-gaston/what-the-fuck-am-i-reading.jpg)

"Someone challenged my moronic headcanon bullshit, so I'm going to make a passive-aggressive blog post about it!"

I like how blog posts have basically replaced sticky notes for complete, utter pussies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 07, 2014, 07:32:58 pm
I don't really give a shit about "diverse headcannons" and whutnot, even if they seem nonsensical /opinions
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 07, 2014, 10:32:10 pm
Quote
white people are literal demons. the world really needs to wake up and realize this. they are soulless. they are of the devil. not figuratively. literally.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 07, 2014, 10:50:28 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 07, 2014, 10:32:10 pm
Quote
white people are literal demons. the world really needs to wake up and realize this. they are soulless. they are of the devil. not figuratively. literally.
I don't get it, why is this bad?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 08, 2014, 12:28:15 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 07, 2014, 10:32:10 pm
Quote
white people are literal demons. the world really needs to wake up and realize this. they are soulless. they are of the devil. not figuratively. literally.
Shit, they're on to us.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 08, 2014, 04:38:36 am
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/143zuqf.jpg)
"AFAB demigirls and AMAB demiboys"? There's already a term for that: cisgender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 08, 2014, 11:05:51 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 08, 2014, 04:38:36 am
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/143zuqf.jpg)
"AFAB demigirls and AMAB demiboys"? There's already a term for that: cisgender.

but cispeople are evil! how can i be both cis and a special snowflake?! i know, i'll call myself something overly complicated to confuse people!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 08, 2014, 11:40:31 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 08, 2014, 04:38:36 am
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/143zuqf.jpg)
"AFAB demigirls and AMAB demiboys"? There's already a term for that: cisgender.

Is it?

I'm not 100% on the idea, and I grant the possibility that demiboy/girl could just be a special snowflake thing, but on the other hand gender identity is complicated and it's not a priori inconceivable that there's a meaningful distinction between partial and full identification with a given gender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2014, 01:13:40 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/6yi25u.jpg)

Do I have to explain how stupid this is?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 08, 2014, 05:40:05 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 08, 2014, 12:28:15 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 07, 2014, 10:32:10 pm
Quote
white people are literal demons. the world really needs to wake up and realize this. they are soulless. they are of the devil. not figuratively. literally.
Shit, they're on to us.

Damn it Art I told you to stop leaving brimstone and fire everywhere.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 08, 2014, 05:59:22 pm
Someone made a post against doxxing, (http://hokuto-ju-no-ken.tumblr.com/post/104660651354/ive-seen-doxxing-ruin-the-lives-of-a-few-of-my) which prompted these responses:

Quote
so am i to believe that every user that has a note on this post is against exposing actual racists, transphobes, kkk members, and neo-nazis??? Who have made it clear in no uncertain terms that they support racial prejudice and violence?

Okay work i guess

#the person who made this post was white im calling it

Quote
Sorry but being racist transphobic human garbage is not on par with “hurting precious feelings” it’s on par with thinking that certain groups of people don’t deserve basic human rights or to be upset when those rights are violated and making fun of people who get upset about it.

And Jesus Christ no one on tumblr seems to understand that SHARING INFORMATION THAT THIS PERSON HAS MADE PUBLIC AND LITERALLY TOLD PEOPLE TO USE IS NOT DOXXING

And ffs alerting an employer that one of their employees is a racist discriminatory garbage pile so they can take whatever action they wish is not some awful deed. I’d be forever fucking grateful if someone alerted me to of one of my employees being a shitty human being.

If you’re dumb enough to make all your personal information public as well as actively tell people to call your work and give them your full name and address and then make fun of, and discriminate towards people and just be a pile of trash in general don’t be fuckin surprised when you get bitten in the ass

It seems these people have completely missed the point, though it's not surprising.  I mean, it's not like tumblr has the most piss poor track record  of determining the facts or anything.  It also doesn't help that what's defined as "problematic" on tumblr is highly, highly subjective.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 08, 2014, 08:42:32 pm
Traditional doxxing (that is, leaking location, proper name, and other identifying info) is nothing more than base vigilantism.  I don't get behind people taking the law into their own hands, no matter the target.  The rule of law exists for a reason, and those who attempt to "go outside the law" to get "justice" against supposed bad people, and the internet's hair trigger guarantees that more innocent people have info leaked than bad people, are criminals, pure and simple.  No, you're not being a "hero of justice" or other bullshit when you dox someone, you're not going to be like Julian Assange, who does legitimate work shining light on injustices the world over, you're going to become yet another criminal who really ought to spend a month or two in county and have their heads checked for delusions of grandeur.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 09, 2014, 01:50:56 am
I might be wrong, but doxxing is also illegal in a lot of states.

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e9c4dcec4428b26bd90b1f24d98e0ec8/tumblr_ng99nk5tpL1u0nq28o1_400.jpg)

Gay men are gay because they hate women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on December 09, 2014, 02:12:59 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 09, 2014, 01:50:56 am
I might be wrong, but doxxing is also illegal in a lot of states.

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e9c4dcec4428b26bd90b1f24d98e0ec8/tumblr_ng99nk5tpL1u0nq28o1_400.jpg)

Gay men are gay because they hate women.

Also, straight men are straight because they hate women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 09, 2014, 02:25:00 am
So are bisexual and asexual men okay?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on December 09, 2014, 02:28:06 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 09, 2014, 02:25:00 am
So are bisexual and asexual men okay?

Bisexual men hate women in more ways than one and asexual men hate women because they benefit from the patriarchy and don't do anything to change that, or something equally silly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 09, 2014, 02:47:48 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 09, 2014, 01:50:56 am
I might be wrong, but doxxing is also illegal in a lot of states.

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e9c4dcec4428b26bd90b1f24d98e0ec8/tumblr_ng99nk5tpL1u0nq28o1_400.jpg)

Gay men are gay because they hate women.

80/20 on troll, I think.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on December 09, 2014, 03:47:32 pm
Quote from: dpareja on December 09, 2014, 02:12:59 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 09, 2014, 01:50:56 am

Gay men are gay because they hate women.

Also, straight men are straight because they hate women.

And lesbians hate men, but that's okay because men deserve it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 09, 2014, 04:32:07 pm
(https://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/tyzu0zg.png)

(http://oi62.tinypic.com/al3hmt.jpg)

HAVE YOU NO FUCKING SHAME?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 09, 2014, 04:34:11 pm
Breaking a rule of mine but....she kinda brought this on herself.

Ironbite-I mean when you basically say come and get me and someone does, you can't cry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 09, 2014, 05:41:29 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 09, 2014, 04:34:11 pm
Breaking a rule of mine but....she kinda brought this on herself.

Ironbite-I mean when you basically say come and get me and someone does, you can't cry.
I keep hearing that she posted her own information and dared people to do something with it (although I might be confusing her with plebcomics). If that's true, then it's a valuable lesson in "don't taunt the internet".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 09, 2014, 05:47:33 pm
But its her mother. How did her mom bring this upon herself?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 09, 2014, 06:10:36 pm
She didn't.  You cannot, I repeat, cannot throw that type of taunt in the air then bitch when your shit hits the fan and sprays everyone around you.

Ironbite-it's just stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 09, 2014, 07:44:34 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on December 09, 2014, 07:32:48 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 09, 2014, 05:41:29 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 09, 2014, 04:34:11 pm
Breaking a rule of mine but....she kinda brought this on herself.

Ironbite-I mean when you basically say come and get me and someone does, you can't cry.
I keep hearing that she posted her own information and dared people to do something with it (although I might be confusing her with plebcomics). If that's true, then it's a valuable lesson in "don't taunt the internet".

Yeah, that's plebcomics. Though I'm pretty sure there was an old post of communismkills' going around where she posed with a gun and dared people to "come and get [her]." I'm not saying she deserves it but she really just cannot internet safety 101.

I agree, that was dumb, but it's still their fault for taking the bait.  I mean, if some rich idiot decides to flaunt his wealth in a bad part of town, that doesn't absolve his muggers from guilt.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 09, 2014, 08:00:15 pm
Okay, we all know the comparison that's gonna be made here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on December 09, 2014, 08:54:09 pm
You know who else was morally questionable?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 09, 2014, 09:44:15 pm
Hitler.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 09, 2014, 09:55:13 pm
Okay, he killed a few people, but was he THAT bad?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 09, 2014, 10:12:21 pm
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He just keeps finding new ways to top himself, doesn't he?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 10, 2014, 07:54:55 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 09, 2014, 10:12:21 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4dnsqKCMAICFPw.png:large)

He just keeps finding new ways to top himself, doesn't he?

it's. a. game. ffs, do tumblrinas have to take life so seriously? without being fully in reality?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 10, 2014, 08:30:19 am
I thought reinterpreting characters to argue they are evil was a time-honoured nerd tradition? Like, "Batman is a sociopath ruining Gotham" or "Edward is stalking Bella" or "Doc Brown is the real villain of back to the future (http://io9.com/5673855/why-doc-brown-is-the-real-villain-of-back-to-the-future)"* or about 90% of After Hours (http://www.cracked.com/series/after-hours/).

Sure, McIntosh does it from an ideological perspective rather than one of humour, but it's basically the same thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 10, 2014, 08:45:55 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 10, 2014, 08:30:19 am
I thought reinterpreting characters to argue they are evil was a time-honoured nerd tradition? Like, "Batman is a sociopath ruining Gotham" or "Edward is stalking Bella" or "Doc Brown is the real villain of back to the future (http://io9.com/5673855/why-doc-brown-is-the-real-villain-of-back-to-the-future)"* or about 90% of After Hours (http://www.cracked.com/series/after-hours/).

Sure, McIntosh does it from an ideological perspective rather than one of humour, but it's basically the same thing.

i do know that in morrowind you are litterally the lesser evil (and not good guy mchappyface even if you try, as you basically commit acts leading to a race war), and that in most rpg's you fall somewhere on the sociopath spectrum (from grey and grey morality to outright murderhobo), but it's still pretty stupid to call lara croft a colonialist looter, as the name of the game is tomb raider. it's the point of the game. sure, she's chaotic neutral at best, but not outright evil. and playing that game does not make you a colonialist, else i'm a genocidal warlord for having played far cry 2.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 10, 2014, 08:49:59 am
I don't think anyone said playing the game makes you a colonialist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 10, 2014, 05:39:41 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 10, 2014, 08:49:59 am
I don't think anyone said playing the game makes you a colonialist.
That honour goes to Victoria 2.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on December 10, 2014, 05:47:56 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 10, 2014, 05:39:41 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 10, 2014, 08:49:59 am
I don't think anyone said playing the game makes you a colonialist.
That honour goes to Victoria 2.

Europa Universalis 4 as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 10, 2014, 08:05:03 pm
Image spoilered for size:

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 10, 2014, 08:14:03 pm
That shit better be a joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 10, 2014, 09:33:40 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 10, 2014, 08:14:03 pm
That shit better be a joke.
Yeah, I call Poe. For those of you just tuning in, feeding carnivore or omnivore pets an herbivore diet is:
- wrong
- bad
- not okay
- GOING TO KILL THEM YOU HIPSTER VEGAN ASSBAGS

While some dogs can adapt to a very carefully monitored meatless (not vegan) diet, cats are obligate carnivores and will sicken and die without animal protein. If you're vegan and you want a vegan pet, get a fucking Guinea pig. /berserk button
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 11, 2014, 02:27:35 am
(http://i.imgur.com/9TrgCBm.jpg)

Personally, I think guilt tripping your ex lover into funding your new love interest makes you the emotionally abusive one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 11, 2014, 06:40:30 am
There's a LOT of fucked-up in that post, from multiple parties and of multiple varieties.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 11, 2014, 07:33:31 am
Even under normal, non-abusive circumstances, people still generally wouldn't fork over $300+ for a plane ticket just so their ex could meet a new potential lover.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 11, 2014, 07:52:54 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 11, 2014, 07:33:31 am
Even under normal, non-abusive circumstances, people still generally wouldn't fork over $300+ for a plane ticket just so their ex could meet a new potential lover.

unless the ex was still madly in love with her. trust me, i know abusive relationships, but if you want details it'll have to go in "confessions" for fear of derailing this thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 11, 2014, 08:15:08 pm
Greenpeace fuck up World Heritage site to protest climate change. (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30422994)

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Activists from the organisation placed a banner next to a figure of a hummingbird, carved more than 1,500 years ago.

They were hoping to increase pressure on UN negotiators currently meeting in Lima.

The Peruvian government said it would prosecute the activists who took part.

The ancient depictions of animals, including a monkey and a hummingbird that are etched into the arid plain of Southern Peru are a vital part of the county's heritage.

Visits to the site are closely supervised - ministers and presidents have to seek special permission and special footwear to tread on the fragile ground where the 1,500 year old lines are cut.

Earlier this week 20 Greenpeace activists from seven countries unfurled a protest banner very close to the location of the lines.

. . .

Unfortunately, according to the Peruvian authorities, the legacy of the stunt was damage to the ancient site.

They say the green group entered a strictly prohibited area and left footprints. The government is asking for the identities of those involved and threatening prosecution and six years in prison for the offenders.

Here are some pictures:

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 11, 2014, 09:33:55 pm
Holy fuck they're stupid!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on December 13, 2014, 03:49:14 am
The future may be renewable, but they certainly aren't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on December 13, 2014, 07:10:41 am
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 13, 2014, 11:48:53 am
"B-but it's not bad when WE do it! we're the liberal ones!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 13, 2014, 12:04:19 pm
And now, it is plain to see how these disgusting cretins are dangerous. While not institutional, these things will get you fired and make your life a living hell simply so they can feel "socially just".

If there is anyone who deserves police brutality in taking them down, its these creatures.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 13, 2014, 12:50:02 pm
The sheer sociopathy on display there is off the charts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 13, 2014, 01:01:47 pm
They need to tone things back.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 13, 2014, 03:13:01 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 13, 2014, 01:01:47 pm
They need to tone things back.

How dare you tone police them!?!? Don't you know it's their right as proud social justice warriors to dispense justice on whomever they please!??!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 13, 2014, 04:51:55 pm
Still hate Plebcomics though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 13, 2014, 05:00:49 pm
And I hate genderbitch, but I'm not about to doxx her and get her fired.

If she could even hold a job...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Murdin on December 13, 2014, 05:36:07 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 13, 2014, 01:01:47 pm
They need to tone things back.

Tone things back? As in, harassers should not go overboard with their bullying tactics? Abstain from extending their campaign to other communication networks than the Internet? Subdue their displays of schadenfreude when their victims get fired from their job? Maybe only dox people who really asked for it?

They need to drop the whole "lynch mob FOR JUSTICE" act altogether. They need to stop acting like the allegedly "progressive" counterpart of the fucking manosphere. They need to find another outlet to vent their frustrations with life and society, one that would let them do so safely and without harming actual people. Video games, maybe? /trollface


On the other hand, the inclusion of that last Tumblr post is... questionable. After all those legitimately terrible quotes, I wasn't quite expecting to find two people simply crapping on the comics for semi-legitimate reasons. But I guess doing so after the artist got doxxed and harassed makes you JUST AS BAD as those who gloated over it and/or try to justify it, right? Right...

This is the kind of garbage that makes obsessive anti-SJW crusaders look like reactionaries trying to justify their own lazy, ignorant, narrow-minded attitudes. I mean, aside from the times when they outright endorse said attitudes. Which they often do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 13, 2014, 05:45:21 pm
There was also those racist or whatever who got fired.

I suppose they probably would have gotten fired when there boss saw their Facebook anyway, but still I suppose.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on December 13, 2014, 05:51:49 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 11, 2014, 08:15:08 pm
Greenpeace fuck up World Heritage site to protest climate change. (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30422994)

Quote
Activists from the organisation placed a banner next to a figure of a hummingbird, carved more than 1,500 years ago.

They were hoping to increase pressure on UN negotiators currently meeting in Lima.

The Peruvian government said it would prosecute the activists who took part.

The ancient depictions of animals, including a monkey and a hummingbird that are etched into the arid plain of Southern Peru are a vital part of the county's heritage.

Visits to the site are closely supervised - ministers and presidents have to seek special permission and special footwear to tread on the fragile ground where the 1,500 year old lines are cut.

Earlier this week 20 Greenpeace activists from seven countries unfurled a protest banner very close to the location of the lines.

. . .

Unfortunately, according to the Peruvian authorities, the legacy of the stunt was damage to the ancient site.

They say the green group entered a strictly prohibited area and left footprints. The government is asking for the identities of those involved and threatening prosecution and six years in prison for the offenders.

Here are some pictures:

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Honestly, who was the knucklehead who thought that was a good idea and why didn't the people they proposed it to throw things at them?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 13, 2014, 07:09:18 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/IT9kc64.png)

Remember when it was the smartest people who coined new words?  I miss those days...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 13, 2014, 07:32:17 pm
Quote from: Murdin on December 13, 2014, 05:36:07 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 13, 2014, 01:01:47 pm
They need to tone things back.

Tone things back? As in, harassers should not go overboard with their bullying tactics? Abstain from extending their campaign to other communication networks than the Internet? Subdue their displays of schadenfreude when their victims get fired from their job? Maybe only dox people who really asked for it?

They need to drop the whole "lynch mob FOR JUSTICE" act altogether. They need to stop acting like the allegedly "progressive" counterpart of the fucking manosphere. They need to find another outlet to vent their frustrations with life and society, one that would let them do so safely and without harming actual people. Video games, maybe? /trollface


On the other hand, the inclusion of that last Tumblr post is... questionable. After all those legitimately terrible quotes, I wasn't quite expecting to find two people simply crapping on the comics for semi-legitimate reasons. But I guess doing so after the artist got doxxed and harassed makes you JUST AS BAD as those who gloated over it and/or try to justify it, right? Right...

This is the kind of garbage that makes obsessive anti-SJW crusaders look like reactionaries trying to justify their own lazy, ignorant, narrow-minded attitudes. I mean, aside from the times when they outright endorse said attitudes. Which they often do.

Holy shit, Murdin. For once I agree with you on this.

The comics certainly were objectionable and the last two comments justified, but here's the caveat here. Your discussion and criticisms on the internet should be as far as it goes, as long the subject isn't dangerous to themselves or others. This sort of unified response to ruin somebody in real life is the tactics of a groupthink environment, and are unacceptable if one is supposedly campaigning for civil liberties.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 13, 2014, 11:19:28 pm
Okay, I've been hearing different stuff about the Plebcomics incident.  I've heard she was doxxed, and I've also heard she's the one who posted or linked to the information and literally dared sjws to contact her employer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2014, 01:47:22 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 13, 2014, 11:19:28 pm
Okay, I've been hearing different stuff about the Plebcomics incident.  I've heard she was doxxed, and I've also heard she's the one who posted or linked to the information and literally dared sjws to contact her employer.

Does that make a difference? Getting someone fired because you don't like their opinions is wrong, even if that person is stupid enough to tempt the infinite hate machine.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 14, 2014, 03:00:14 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2014, 01:47:22 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 13, 2014, 11:19:28 pm
Okay, I've been hearing different stuff about the Plebcomics incident.  I've heard she was doxxed, and I've also heard she's the one who posted or linked to the information and literally dared sjws to contact her employer.

Does that make a difference? Getting someone fired because you don't like their opinions is wrong, even if that person is stupid enough to tempt the infinite hate machine.
Yeah, it makes a difference. Posting your employer's information online and taunting the internet to do something about it is stunningly unprofessional, and I would consider that grounds for termination right then and there. On the other hand, if she got doxxed then I'm willing to say that her opponents went too far.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 14, 2014, 12:08:14 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2014, 01:47:22 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 13, 2014, 11:19:28 pm
Okay, I've been hearing different stuff about the Plebcomics incident.  I've heard she was doxxed, and I've also heard she's the one who posted or linked to the information and literally dared sjws to contact her employer.

Does that make a difference? Getting someone fired because you don't like their opinions is wrong, even if that person is stupid enough to tempt the infinite hate machine.
I've heard she was fired for semi-unrelated reasons.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 14, 2014, 12:17:45 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on December 13, 2014, 07:32:17 pm
Quote from: Murdin on December 13, 2014, 05:36:07 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 13, 2014, 01:01:47 pm
They need to tone things back.

Tone things back? As in, harassers should not go overboard with their bullying tactics? Abstain from extending their campaign to other communication networks than the Internet? Subdue their displays of schadenfreude when their victims get fired from their job? Maybe only dox people who really asked for it?

They need to drop the whole "lynch mob FOR JUSTICE" act altogether. They need to stop acting like the allegedly "progressive" counterpart of the fucking manosphere. They need to find another outlet to vent their frustrations with life and society, one that would let them do so safely and without harming actual people. Video games, maybe? /trollface


On the other hand, the inclusion of that last Tumblr post is... questionable. After all those legitimately terrible quotes, I wasn't quite expecting to find two people simply crapping on the comics for semi-legitimate reasons. But I guess doing so after the artist got doxxed and harassed makes you JUST AS BAD as those who gloated over it and/or try to justify it, right? Right...

This is the kind of garbage that makes obsessive anti-SJW crusaders look like reactionaries trying to justify their own lazy, ignorant, narrow-minded attitudes. I mean, aside from the times when they outright endorse said attitudes. Which they often do.

Holy shit, Murdin. For once I agree with you on this.

The comics certainly were objectionable and the last two comments justified, but here's the caveat here. Your discussion and criticisms on the internet should be as far as it goes, as long the subject isn't dangerous to themselves or others. This sort of unified response to ruin somebody in real life is the tactics of a groupthink environment, and are unacceptable if one is supposedly campaigning for civil liberties.

I'm going to third this.  There are some elements of her comics that I firmly disagree with.  I don't like how she treats feminism as a whole as being unhinged.  I also don't like her dismissal of objectification.  And unlike her, I think that rape really isn't something you can joke about lightly.

However, while I disagree with some of what she has to say, I agree that she has the right to say it.  Free speech has to be protected.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2014, 02:48:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 14, 2014, 03:00:14 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2014, 01:47:22 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 13, 2014, 11:19:28 pm
Okay, I've been hearing different stuff about the Plebcomics incident.  I've heard she was doxxed, and I've also heard she's the one who posted or linked to the information and literally dared sjws to contact her employer.

Does that make a difference? Getting someone fired because you don't like their opinions is wrong, even if that person is stupid enough to tempt the infinite hate machine.
Yeah, it makes a difference. Posting your employer's information online and taunting the internet to do something about it is stunningly unprofessional, and I would consider that grounds for termination right then and there.

I'm not sure how that logic checks out. Either trying to get someone fired over their opinions is wrong or it isn't. If she helped that along, she's stupid, maybe even so stupid she shouldn't have a job, but the actions the harassers took are exactly the same either way. Their morality cannot depend on whether or not she is unprofessional, unless your view is that they only tried to get her fired to protect her employer from employing someone who is not a professional.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 14, 2014, 04:55:25 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2014, 02:48:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 14, 2014, 03:00:14 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2014, 01:47:22 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 13, 2014, 11:19:28 pm
Okay, I've been hearing different stuff about the Plebcomics incident.  I've heard she was doxxed, and I've also heard she's the one who posted or linked to the information and literally dared sjws to contact her employer.

Does that make a difference? Getting someone fired because you don't like their opinions is wrong, even if that person is stupid enough to tempt the infinite hate machine.
Yeah, it makes a difference. Posting your employer's information online and taunting the internet to do something about it is stunningly unprofessional, and I would consider that grounds for termination right then and there.

I'm not sure how that logic checks out. Either trying to get someone fired over their opinions is wrong or it isn't. If she helped that along, she's stupid, maybe even so stupid she shouldn't have a job, but the actions the harassers took are exactly the same either way. Their morality cannot depend on whether or not she is unprofessional, unless your view is that they only tried to get her fired to protect her employer from employing someone who is not a professional.

If I'm in the middle of a wrestling ring and my opponent has just been fired up from a vicious promo I've delivered and I tell them to just bring it and they do....I'm not sure how I can explain it any better.

Ironbite-you don't dare someone to do something then get all upset when they do the thing you've dared them to do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 14, 2014, 05:53:56 pm
And while we're talking about doxxing:

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/880/164/a33.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 14, 2014, 06:00:11 pm
How is this real?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 14, 2014, 06:15:43 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 14, 2014, 04:55:25 pm
Ironbite-you don't dare someone to do something then get all upset when they do the thing you've dared them to do.
That would depend on whether or not it's in the script.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on December 14, 2014, 06:42:15 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2014, 02:48:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 14, 2014, 03:00:14 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2014, 01:47:22 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 13, 2014, 11:19:28 pm
Okay, I've been hearing different stuff about the Plebcomics incident.  I've heard she was doxxed, and I've also heard she's the one who posted or linked to the information and literally dared sjws to contact her employer.

Does that make a difference? Getting someone fired because you don't like their opinions is wrong, even if that person is stupid enough to tempt the infinite hate machine.
Yeah, it makes a difference. Posting your employer's information online and taunting the internet to do something about it is stunningly unprofessional, and I would consider that grounds for termination right then and there.

I'm not sure how that logic checks out. Either trying to get someone fired over their opinions is wrong or it isn't. If she helped that along, she's stupid, maybe even so stupid she shouldn't have a job, but the actions the harassers took are exactly the same either way. Their morality cannot depend on whether or not she is unprofessional, unless your view is that they only tried to get her fired to protect her employer from employing someone who is not a professional.

Deliberately egging on people to bring down shit on her employer would be unprofessional; having it happen incidentally would not (necessarily) be the result of unprofessional conduct.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 14, 2014, 06:58:07 pm
So, just to make sure I have it right, it's perfectly okay to get people fired as long as they're acting "unprofessional" when not at work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on December 14, 2014, 06:59:34 pm
Check your walking privilege, shitlord.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 14, 2014, 07:03:06 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 14, 2014, 06:58:07 pm
So, just to make sure I have it right, it's perfectly okay to get people fired as long as they're acting "unprofessional" when not at work.
I think what happened was she posted her employers information so her boss fired her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 14, 2014, 07:03:42 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on December 14, 2014, 06:59:34 pm
Check your walking privilege, shitlord.

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Hate to disappoint but I'm pretty sure this is a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on December 14, 2014, 07:05:18 pm
I'm pretty sure your mom is a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2014, 07:15:08 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 14, 2014, 04:55:25 pm
If I'm in the middle of a wrestling ring and my opponent has just been fired up from a vicious promo I've delivered and I tell them to just bring it and they do....I'm not sure how I can explain it any better.

Ironbite-you don't dare someone to do something then get all upset when they do the thing you've dared them to do.

You seem to be focusing on the behaviour of plebcomics, which I've already agreed is stupid (if it's actually true that she dared people to get her fired, which I've not seen confirmed yet). I'm focusing on the behaviour of the people getting her fired.

Quote from: I am lizard on December 14, 2014, 07:03:06 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 14, 2014, 06:58:07 pm
So, just to make sure I have it right, it's perfectly okay to get people fired as long as they're acting "unprofessional" when not at work.
I think what happened was she posted her employers information so her boss fired her.

Source?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 14, 2014, 07:27:29 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2014, 07:15:08 pm

Quote from: I am lizard on December 14, 2014, 07:03:06 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 14, 2014, 06:58:07 pm
So, just to make sure I have it right, it's perfectly okay to get people fired as long as they're acting "unprofessional" when not at work.
I think what happened was she posted her employers information so her boss fired her.

Source?
I think this is a source, tbh I'm basically quoting vague rumors:http://ogoditsrabid.tumblr.com/post/104825454233/farandolae-plebdox-boy-this-is-really
 (http://ogoditsrabid.tumblr.com/post/104825454233/farandolae-plebdox-boy-this-is-really)
No I'm not saying pleb deserved to be doxxed, nor do I condone the poeple in this post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on December 15, 2014, 03:56:05 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 14, 2014, 06:58:07 pm
So, just to make sure I have it right, it's perfectly okay to get people fired as long as they're acting "unprofessional" when not at work.
The allegation is that she went out and dragged her employer into this fight herself which then caused material damage with the time and resources used to clean the spamming up. IF that is true then she acted unprofessionally and it is grounds for dismissal.

If people just found out who/where her employer was and dragged them into the fight themselves, then there really is no reason to blame her for it, and no reason to fire her.

Make sense? I'm rushing because I've got to go.

 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 15, 2014, 09:30:20 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on December 15, 2014, 03:56:05 am
The allegation is that she went out and dragged her employer into this fight herself which then caused material damage with the time and resources used to clean the spamming up. IF that is true then she acted unprofessionally and it is grounds for dismissal.

If people just found out who/where her employer was and dragged them into the fight themselves, then there really is no reason to blame her for it, and no reason to fire her.

Make sense? I'm rushing because I've got to go.

The allegation that a lot of you seem to just be assuming is true, presumably because it makes getting her fired justified.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 15, 2014, 09:40:59 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 15, 2014, 09:30:20 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on December 15, 2014, 03:56:05 am
The allegation is that she went out and dragged her employer into this fight herself which then caused material damage with the time and resources used to clean the spamming up. IF that is true then she acted unprofessionally and it is grounds for dismissal.

If people just found out who/where her employer was and dragged them into the fight themselves, then there really is no reason to blame her for it, and no reason to fire her.

Make sense? I'm rushing because I've got to go.


The allegation that a lot of you seem to just be assuming is true, presumably because it makes getting her fired justified.
If the allegations we seem to be just assuming are true then that would mean she technically got herself fired.

Say, anyone want to play a game of change the topic?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 15, 2014, 10:36:09 am
Works for me!
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 15, 2014, 10:56:02 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 15, 2014, 10:36:09 am
Works for me!
(click to show/hide)

is this mental illness, excentricity, or plain trolling?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 15, 2014, 11:00:38 am
Quote from: guizonde on December 15, 2014, 10:56:02 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 15, 2014, 10:36:09 am
Works for me!
(click to show/hide)

is this mental illness, excentricity, or plain trolling?

Yes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 15, 2014, 11:00:53 am
Quote from: guizonde on December 15, 2014, 10:56:02 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 15, 2014, 10:36:09 am
Works for me!
(click to show/hide)

is this mental illness, excentricity, or plain trolling?
Yes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 15, 2014, 11:03:04 am
Quote from: I am lizard on December 15, 2014, 11:00:53 am
Quote from: guizonde on December 15, 2014, 10:56:02 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 15, 2014, 10:36:09 am
Works for me!
(click to show/hide)

is this mental illness, excentricity, or plain trolling?
Yes.

Jinx!   ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 16, 2014, 06:05:27 am
Looks like Plebcomics got her job back. (http://plebcomics.tumblr.com/post/105298951388/today-has-been-one-hell-of-a-day-i-get-a-huge)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 16, 2014, 08:52:22 am
I wonder if this will make the Tumblr crowd redouble their efforts, or give up?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 16, 2014, 10:25:38 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on December 16, 2014, 08:52:22 am
I wonder if this will make the Tumblr crowd redouble their efforts, or give up?
It's going to cause a huge argument between the "well, we tried, fuck this" folks and the "ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH" folks. Said argument will be pointless and embarrassing for all involved.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 16, 2014, 10:43:27 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 16, 2014, 06:05:27 am
Looks like Plebcomics got her job back. (http://plebcomics.tumblr.com/post/105298951388/today-has-been-one-hell-of-a-day-i-get-a-huge)
Geuss her boss forklift her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 16, 2014, 03:58:27 pm
(http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/aMbqR3G_700b.jpg)

due to idiots, what tumblr amounts to nowadays.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 16, 2014, 07:57:11 pm
It was funnier without the stupid "triggered" image at the bottom.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on December 16, 2014, 08:26:55 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 16, 2014, 07:57:11 pm
It was funnier without the stupid "triggered" image at the bottom.

You're right. It should have read [triggering intensifies].
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 16, 2014, 08:48:41 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on December 16, 2014, 08:26:55 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 16, 2014, 07:57:11 pm
It was funnier without the stupid "triggered" image at the bottom.

You're right. It should have read [triggering intensifies].

then, it would've been in "best", not "worst".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 17, 2014, 01:41:57 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on December 16, 2014, 08:26:55 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 16, 2014, 07:57:11 pm
It was funnier without the stupid "triggered" image at the bottom.

You're right. It should have read [triggering intensifies].
The problem is that still overemphasises the punchline.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on December 17, 2014, 03:28:07 am
If it didnt have the word it would just be some random bitch giving a creepy face at the screen
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 17, 2014, 08:28:02 am
Your complaining, Lizard, about overemphasis of the punchline triggers me. It triggers me so very, very much. I'm like ubertriggered.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/05bc489e390784ff7ed8d6614a9d5b6e/tumblr_nfv82ucDVQ1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Someone is upset they just got grounded. I am guessing room was messy, mouthed off and said parents were triggering her headmates by scolding her.

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/8c5ec063496581891080dabadf858a5f/tumblr_ngfg5gv4jq1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Kay, whatever you say brolady

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/22442be3f519110fb11a17ee4fc03585/tumblr_ngjf8o2PVl1u00qgto1_500.png)

"Oh shit, I'm standing in front of a fucking lunatic."

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/867a8fdb959eae1fdefe85d454cfe978/tumblr_ngjf2jF4nV1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Cool story bro.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/b6fb247935373c642fb2e0a1cce4f9f0/tumblr_ngjgptvaTO1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Fiction-kin and Tumblrinas being stupid again.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/2ba20141a85f1097726ae29f74ba7f36/tumblr_nfwwcybbsH1u00qgto1_500.png)

Everything causes epilepsy according to tumblr.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/e9f1a6759cbe78d633b0bf50862ad308/tumblr_ngekbpDPp81u00qgto1_400.png)

Are all these posts lies and / or exaggerations, and if not, how do these things get out of the house in the morning?

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/3ed4ea784eb3dba36c8bf6e91ce2fac1/tumblr_ngeklyriyi1u00qgto1_500.png)

Social Justice, folks. So just, they want to massacre everyone who disagrees with them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 17, 2014, 08:59:18 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 17, 2014, 08:28:02 am
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/8c5ec063496581891080dabadf858a5f/tumblr_ngfg5gv4jq1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Kay, whatever you say brolady


i understand very little of this post. afab i get. "neutrois"? "demigirl"? "change your mind?" "twerf?" i knew terf, but "twerf"? "gender-critical?" i thought that being genderfluid was being gender-critical 0.o

some help would definitely be appreciated, thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 17, 2014, 09:21:16 am
I think twerf has something to do with trigger warnings.

neutrois might mean she has 3 genders and doesn't want to act sexually as any of them.

demigirl means demisexual girl. Demisexuals being the special snowflake sexuality.

change your mind meaning she likely came up with all of this on the fly, and wanted to feel special.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 17, 2014, 09:49:03 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 17, 2014, 09:21:16 am
I think twerf has something to do with trigger warnings.

neutrois might mean she has 3 genders and doesn't want to act sexually as any of them.

demigirl means demisexual girl. Demisexuals being the special snowflake sexuality.

change your mind meaning she likely came up with all of this on the fly, and wanted to feel special.
I think "neutrois" means the same thing as "agender", but this shit changes so fast that today's Cool Thing is tomorrow's Trigger. And I don't have a fucking clue what TWERF is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 17, 2014, 09:49:58 am
Here I was thinking she'd simply misspelled "neutrino," and that she thought she was a known, yet nearly undetectable particle.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 17, 2014, 09:54:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 17, 2014, 09:49:03 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 17, 2014, 09:21:16 am
I think twerf has something to do with trigger warnings.

neutrois might mean she has 3 genders and doesn't want to act sexually as any of them.

demigirl means demisexual girl. Demisexuals being the special snowflake sexuality.

change your mind meaning she likely came up with all of this on the fly, and wanted to feel special.
I think "neutrois" means the same thing as "agender", but this shit changes so fast that today's Cool Thing is tomorrow's Trigger. And I don't have a fucking clue what TWERF is.

so basically, labels for labels' sake, and the more oxymoronic they are the better, it seems.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 17, 2014, 09:59:45 am
Quote from: guizonde on December 17, 2014, 09:54:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 17, 2014, 09:49:03 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 17, 2014, 09:21:16 am
I think twerf has something to do with trigger warnings.

neutrois might mean she has 3 genders and doesn't want to act sexually as any of them.

demigirl means demisexual girl. Demisexuals being the special snowflake sexuality.

change your mind meaning she likely came up with all of this on the fly, and wanted to feel special.
I think "neutrois" means the same thing as "agender", but this shit changes so fast that today's Cool Thing is tomorrow's Trigger. And I don't have a fucking clue what TWERF is.

so basically, labels for labels' sake, and the more oxymoronic they are the better, it seems.
According to Urban Dictionary, the definition of "twerf" is either "to queef while twerking" or "to fuck someone so hard they become infertile". I don't know which one's funnier.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 17, 2014, 10:45:23 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 17, 2014, 09:59:45 am
Quote from: guizonde on December 17, 2014, 09:54:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 17, 2014, 09:49:03 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 17, 2014, 09:21:16 am
I think twerf has something to do with trigger warnings.

neutrois might mean she has 3 genders and doesn't want to act sexually as any of them.

demigirl means demisexual girl. Demisexuals being the special snowflake sexuality.

change your mind meaning she likely came up with all of this on the fly, and wanted to feel special.
I think "neutrois" means the same thing as "agender", but this shit changes so fast that today's Cool Thing is tomorrow's Trigger. And I don't have a fucking clue what TWERF is.

so basically, labels for labels' sake, and the more oxymoronic they are the better, it seems.
According to Urban Dictionary, the definition of "twerf" is either "to queef while twerking" or "to fuck someone so hard they become infertile". I don't know which one's funnier.
I do not know what "queef" means and now I am afraid to go find out...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on December 17, 2014, 11:18:35 am
Askold, just please don't look it up at work.

Also, (to the board in general) what is AFAB? I thought it was a British sitcom but now I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 17, 2014, 11:30:11 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 17, 2014, 09:59:45 am
Quote from: guizonde on December 17, 2014, 09:54:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on December 17, 2014, 09:49:03 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 17, 2014, 09:21:16 am
I think twerf has something to do with trigger warnings.

neutrois might mean she has 3 genders and doesn't want to act sexually as any of them.

demigirl means demisexual girl. Demisexuals being the special snowflake sexuality.

change your mind meaning she likely came up with all of this on the fly, and wanted to feel special.
I think "neutrois" means the same thing as "agender", but this shit changes so fast that today's Cool Thing is tomorrow's Trigger. And I don't have a fucking clue what TWERF is.

so basically, labels for labels' sake, and the more oxymoronic they are the better, it seems.
According to Urban Dictionary, the definition of "twerf" is either "to queef while twerking" or "to fuck someone so hard they become infertile". I don't know which one's funnier.

I love that second definition for some reason

@Rookie:  AFAB = Assigned Female At Birth
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on December 17, 2014, 11:34:33 am
Aha. Thanks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 17, 2014, 11:38:03 am
"Twerf" means a TERF that targets trans women only (i.e. is relatively ok with trans men).

"Demigirl" is not "demisexual girl". It means someone who partially identifies as a girl (as opposed to wholly or not at all).

"Neutrois" is more or less the same as agender, but it varies. Not sure what it's supposed to mean in this context.

"Gender-critical feminism" is a particular kind of feminism that.. actually I have no idea how to explain it. Their opponents say it's basically the same as TERF. I can't find any concise statement of belief from someone who actually identifies as such. I think they criticise what they see as people calling themselves women but not really being women in some meaningful sense? Anyway, in context, it basically means they don't like feminists that are against transwomen, which they kind of already said before.

"Changing your mind" means presumably the same it means in normal discourse: having beliefs about something, and then changing those beliefs.

"Queef" is a vaginal fart.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 17, 2014, 12:25:39 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 17, 2014, 11:38:03 am
"Twerf" means a TERF that targets trans women only (i.e. is relatively ok with trans men).

"Demigirl" is not "demisexual girl". It means someone who partially identifies as a girl (as opposed to wholly or not at all).

"Neutrois" is more or less the same as agender, but it varies. Not sure what it's supposed to mean in this context.

"Gender-critical feminism" is a particular kind of feminism that.. actually I have no idea how to explain it. Their opponents say it's basically the same as TERF. I can't find any concise statement of belief from someone who actually identifies as such. I think they criticise what they see as people calling themselves women but not really being women in some meaningful sense? Anyway, in context, it basically means they don't like feminists that are against transwomen, which they kind of already said before.

"Changing your mind" means presumably the same it means in normal discourse: having beliefs about something, and then changing those beliefs.

"Queef" is a vaginal fart.

You know, it used to be the smartest people who coined new words.  Now it seems like it's the dumbest who do it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 17, 2014, 12:44:57 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 17, 2014, 11:38:03 am
"Twerf" means a TERF that targets trans women only (i.e. is relatively ok with trans men).

"Demigirl" is not "demisexual girl". It means someone who partially identifies as a girl (as opposed to wholly or not at all).

"Neutrois" is more or less the same as agender, but it varies. Not sure what it's supposed to mean in this context.

"Gender-critical feminism" is a particular kind of feminism that.. actually I have no idea how to explain it. Their opponents say it's basically the same as TERF. I can't find any concise statement of belief from someone who actually identifies as such. I think they criticise what they see as people calling themselves women but not really being women in some meaningful sense? Anyway, in context, it basically means they don't like feminists that are against transwomen, which they kind of already said before.

"Changing your mind" means presumably the same it means in normal discourse: having beliefs about something, and then changing those beliefs.

"Queef" is a vaginal fart.

i thought that the whole point of social sexual justice was accepting that it wasn't all just a phase. so in this respect, someone saying that they can change their mind about their sexuality is pretty... odd at the very least, and dare i say it, triggering :p still, it's a very clunky way to say that the person is genderfluid or non-binary.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 17, 2014, 12:56:30 pm
Sigma: You did not have to provide explanation for all of those. Really, I could have lived my life happily without knowing the truth.

Other than that, even though I have long ago come to the conclusion the people can call themselves whatever they want and accepting them being different is just polite and "no skin off my nose" or however that phrase goes.

...Still I feel like headpalming every now and then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 17, 2014, 01:15:03 pm
Quote from: guizonde on December 17, 2014, 12:44:57 pm
i thought that the whole point of social sexual justice was accepting that it wasn't all just a phase. so in this respect, someone saying that they can change their mind about their sexuality is pretty... odd at the very least, and dare i say it, triggering :p still, it's a very clunky way to say that the person is genderfluid or non-binary.

Part of social justice (a part I agree with) is that sexuality and gender identity are more complicated than the standard view of "men like women, women like men, nothing else under the sun". How much more complicated is a tricky question, I'm not getting into it. But anyway, the more complicated you admit gender can be, the more allowances you have to make for people exploring their gender and sexuality.

I'm sure trans people are not in general born knowing they are trans, gay people are not born knowing they are gay, etc. If we accept someone can change their mind from "I'm straight" to "I'm gay" or from "I'm a man" to "I'm a woman", it does not seem a priori ridiculous to say that one can change their mind about being non-binary or whatever. That doesn't imply it's a phase, just that they are examining a larger gender-space.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 17, 2014, 03:48:06 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 17, 2014, 01:15:03 pm
Quote from: guizonde on December 17, 2014, 12:44:57 pm
i thought that the whole point of social sexual justice was accepting that it wasn't all just a phase. so in this respect, someone saying that they can change their mind about their sexuality is pretty... odd at the very least, and dare i say it, triggering :p still, it's a very clunky way to say that the person is genderfluid or non-binary.

Part of social justice (a part I agree with) is that sexuality and gender identity are more complicated than the standard view of "men like women, women like men, nothing else under the sun". How much more complicated is a tricky question, I'm not getting into it. But anyway, the more complicated you admit gender can be, the more allowances you have to make for people exploring their gender and sexuality.

I'm sure trans people are not in general born knowing they are trans, gay people are not born knowing they are gay, etc. If we accept someone can change their mind from "I'm straight" to "I'm gay" or from "I'm a man" to "I'm a woman", it does not seem a priori ridiculous to say that one can change their mind about being non-binary or whatever. That doesn't imply it's a phase, just that they are examining a larger gender-space.
It's always a good idea to try and explore ones gender and sexuality.
 Among other things ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 17, 2014, 10:46:18 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/21jx98l.jpg)

"LGBT members should have their voice heard!  But use that voice to speak against us and you're worthless!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on December 18, 2014, 12:45:52 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 17, 2014, 10:46:18 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/21jx98l.jpg)

"LGBT members should have their voice heard!  But use that voice to speak against us and you're worthless!"

 "They have forfeited the blessing of queer energy that Gaia has bestowed on them." The fuck does that even mean?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 18, 2014, 12:58:08 am
So, I'm not going to put a single or specific example, but apparently the tumblr sj community is giving JK Rowling shit again because of a tweet where a Jewish guy asked her if there's any Jewish kids at Hogwarts, and she named a specific character that was Jewish.  Apparently it's insulting to give a character a trait and not make it the focus of a fucking story that has nothing to do with it.  Some are even going so far as insinuating she's racist because of it.

Edit:  Reading more shit posts about it, and now people are bitching about the fucking names of the minority characters.  One literally bitched about the name Parvati Patil.  Because fuck giving ethnically Indian characters Indian names; that's just stereotypical.  Someone compared the names to "giving the only Hispanic person the name 'Juan Carlos'".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 18, 2014, 01:28:11 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 18, 2014, 12:58:08 am
So, I'm not going to put a single or specific example, but apparently the tumblr sj community is giving JK Rowling shit again because of a tweet where a Jewish guy asked her if there's any Jewish kids at Hogwarts, and she named a specific character that was Jewish.
As I recall, there's absolutely zero mention of religion, Judaism or otherwise, in Harry Potter. I'd be willing to bet my favourite man berry that she said that just to keep the Tumblrinas from complaining that she's "excluding minorities" or some bullshit. It's almost cute that she thinks any answer she could possibly give won't result in them screaming hysterically over nothing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on December 18, 2014, 02:17:20 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 18, 2014, 12:58:08 am
So, I'm not going to put a single or specific example, but apparently the tumblr sj community is giving JK Rowling shit again because of a tweet where a Jewish guy asked her if there's any Jewish kids at Hogwarts, and she named a specific character that was Jewish.  Apparently it's insulting to give a character a trait and not make it the focus of a fucking story that has nothing to do with it.  Some are even going so far as insinuating she's racist because of it.

Edit:  Reading more shit posts about it, and now people are bitching about the fucking names of the minority characters.  One literally bitched about the name Parvati Patil.  Because fuck giving ethnically Indian characters Indian names; that's just stereotypical.  Someone compared the names to "giving the only Hispanic person the name 'Juan Carlos'".

1. So now I'm curious as to which character this is.

2. Did this person choose those names at random or does said person know something about the Spanish monarchy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 18, 2014, 02:19:58 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 18, 2014, 01:28:11 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 18, 2014, 12:58:08 am
So, I'm not going to put a single or specific example, but apparently the tumblr sj community is giving JK Rowling shit again because of a tweet where a Jewish guy asked her if there's any Jewish kids at Hogwarts, and she named a specific character that was Jewish.
As I recall, there's absolutely zero mention of religion, Judaism or otherwise, in Harry Potter. I'd be willing to bet my favourite man berry that she said that just to keep the Tumblrinas from complaining that she's "excluding minorities" or some bullshit. It's almost cute that she thinks any answer she could possibly give won't result in them screaming hysterically over nothing.
I think she was trying to appease the Zionist puppet masters.
Srs answer: I doubt she was really that concerned over ppl getting upset.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 18, 2014, 02:51:03 am
I get the Impression that Rowling had a lot more information on the characters than she put in the books. Like Dumbledore being gay.

Those bits of info didn't turn up in the books because they weren't relevant, but her having decided that some characters were Christian, or Jewish or Atheist... I can believe that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 18, 2014, 02:57:53 am
Quote from: dpareja on December 18, 2014, 02:17:20 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 18, 2014, 12:58:08 am
So, I'm not going to put a single or specific example, but apparently the tumblr sj community is giving JK Rowling shit again because of a tweet where a Jewish guy asked her if there's any Jewish kids at Hogwarts, and she named a specific character that was Jewish.  Apparently it's insulting to give a character a trait and not make it the focus of a fucking story that has nothing to do with it.  Some are even going so far as insinuating she's racist because of it.

Edit:  Reading more shit posts about it, and now people are bitching about the fucking names of the minority characters.  One literally bitched about the name Parvati Patil.  Because fuck giving ethnically Indian characters Indian names; that's just stereotypical.  Someone compared the names to "giving the only Hispanic person the name 'Juan Carlos'".

1. So now I'm curious as to which character this is.


Anthony Goldstein
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 18, 2014, 03:37:41 am
Quote from: askold on December 18, 2014, 02:51:03 am
I get the Impression that Rowling had a lot more information on the characters than she put in the books. Like Dumbledore being gay.
Really? I got the impression that the "Dumbledore is gay" schtick was just an attempt to stay relevant for as long as possible after the last book was published.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on December 18, 2014, 04:18:51 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on December 18, 2014, 12:45:52 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 17, 2014, 10:46:18 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/21jx98l.jpg)

"LGBT members should have their voice heard!  But use that voice to speak against us and you're worthless!"

 "They have forfeited the blessing of queer energy that Gaia has bestowed on them." The fuck does that even mean?

*oozes rainbow spooge on you*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 18, 2014, 08:39:27 am
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 18, 2014, 09:40:49 am
Actually, the Armenian Genocide was pretty damn bad. It's a perfect example of white genocide, as long as you make the assumption that the Ottoman people of Turkey aren't white themselves.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on December 18, 2014, 10:25:16 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on December 18, 2014, 12:58:08 am
[Harry Potter stuff]

I was under the impression that Harry Potter was fiction. As in made up, not true, pretend.  That's just an assumption, I've never read the books. But anyways, in all the fiction books I've read (not to mention most non fiction) religion rarely comes up unless it's relevant to the story.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 18, 2014, 11:21:37 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 18, 2014, 09:40:49 am
Actually, the Armenian Genocide was pretty damn bad. It's a perfect example of white genocide, as long as you make the assumption that the Ottoman people of Turkey aren't white themselves.
...It would be better if people stopped reducing ethnicity to just "white" and "not white" because Armenian Genocide was a genocide done by ethnic group A to ethnic group B but it was more complicated than just that... (I am trying to read the Wikipedia article but this massacre is nauseatingly horrible...)

Another thing is that IF we go with the SJW "race chart" does it matter if those responsible of the massacre are "white" or not? We can still argue that the victims where "white" so doesn't that make it a "white genocide" or does it only count as that if the killers were "POC?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 18, 2014, 12:06:53 pm
Quote from: askold on December 18, 2014, 11:21:37 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 18, 2014, 09:40:49 am
Actually, the Armenian Genocide was pretty damn bad. It's a perfect example of white genocide, as long as you make the assumption that the Ottoman people of Turkey aren't white themselves.
...It would be better if people stopped reducing ethnicity to just "white" and "not white" because Armenian Genocide was a genocide done by ethnic group A to ethnic group B but it was more complicated than just that... (I am trying to read the Wikipedia article but this massacre is nauseatingly horrible...)

Another thing is that IF we go with the SJW "race chart" does it matter if those responsible of the massacre are "white" or not? We can still argue that the victims where "white" so doesn't that make it a "white genocide" or does it only count as that if the killers were "POC?"

Well, if we go by the classic SJW playbook, taking a look at Irish/British relations, it's pretty clear that they'd regard the Armenian Genocide as "white people killing white people" and thus not care about it. If the Ottomans were PoC on the other hand... then they'd probably say it's justified or revenge or some bullshit like that.

I wonder how they feel about the Kurdish Genocide.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 18, 2014, 09:03:24 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2zi0zyg.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 18, 2014, 10:22:38 pm
*Deep Breaths*

Strap yourselves in, kids. This is gonna to be a long one, so let's get down to business dissecting this cadaver. Scoutgender/ Vade/ Razkin/ AutisticLeafeon/ Whatever the hell he's calling himself today is a manipulative piece of shit who's the scariest SJW I've encountered. He made his start falsely accusing TF2 fan artists of ableism and transphobia via "call out" posts, and used to have considerable influence in the Tumblr crowd. Put two and two together, and you see why that's a very bad thing.

Pronouns? "It/its".

Headmates? Too many to count.

Notable "triggers" include Yu-Gi Oh, Skullgirls, FNAF, Disgaea and Happy Tree Friends.

http://tf2fandomisproblematic.tumblr.com/
 (http://tf2fandomisproblematic.tumblr.com/)

http://razkin.tumblr.com/ (http://razkin.tumblr.com/)

Thorough readings of this thing's blogs will reveal a rather nasty picture, and ought to provide a gold mine for future topic content. Have fun digging through the shit heap.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 18, 2014, 11:44:16 pm
Happy Tree Friends, now there's a name I haven't heard in almost a decade.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 19, 2014, 12:20:39 am
^ TFIP-Persona: HOW DARE YOU MENTION IT! TRIGGERING HAS INTENSIFIED!!!

^^ ...How do you find these freaks, Madman?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 19, 2014, 12:31:29 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 18, 2014, 11:44:16 pm
Happy Tree Friends, now there's a name I haven't heard in almost a decade.
I liked the show for a bit, eventually the "Animals die" joke got stale tho.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 19, 2014, 12:35:13 am
Quote from: I am lizard on December 19, 2014, 12:31:29 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 18, 2014, 11:44:16 pm
Happy Tree Friends, now there's a name I haven't heard in almost a decade.
I liked the show for a bit, eventually the "Animals die" joke got stale tho.
Pretty much. It's one of those things that's quite funny at first, then the shock value wears off and staleness ensues.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 19, 2014, 11:26:07 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 19, 2014, 12:20:39 am
^^ ...How do you find these freaks, Madman?

I don't know, child. I don't know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 19, 2014, 04:42:42 pm
....ablism?  In a fucking video game about 2 teams of clones killing one another?

Ironbite-seriously?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 19, 2014, 04:48:40 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 19, 2014, 04:42:42 pm
....ablism?  In a fucking video game about 2 teams of clones killing one another?

Ironbite-seriously?

ableist for those who can't get clones of themselves? nope, got nothin' better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 19, 2014, 05:57:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/zVTsYMD.png)

Tumblrina tries to find friends for their echo chamber.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 19, 2014, 06:00:18 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 19, 2014, 05:57:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/zVTsYMD.png)

Tumblrina tries to find friends for their echo chamber.

by being more tolerant than your average self-righteous neonazi, methinks...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 19, 2014, 06:28:46 pm
Quote from: guizonde on December 19, 2014, 06:00:18 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 19, 2014, 05:57:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/zVTsYMD.png)

Tumblrina tries to find friends for their echo chamber.

by being more tolerant than your average self-righteous neonazi, methinks...
That comparison would work if she was stating she hated poeple based on their gender/sex/oriantation.
Also, I don't think we have enough information to determine if she wants an echo chamber or if her friends really are massive assholes.

Granted that last sentence indicates otherwise.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 19, 2014, 06:32:59 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 19, 2014, 06:28:46 pm
Quote from: guizonde on December 19, 2014, 06:00:18 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 19, 2014, 05:57:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/zVTsYMD.png)

Tumblrina tries to find friends for their echo chamber.

by being more tolerant than your average self-righteous neonazi, methinks...
That comparison would work if she was stating she hated poeple based on their gender/sex/oriantation.
Also, I don't think we have enough information to determine if she wants an echo chamber or if her friends really are massive assholes.

Granted that last sentence indicates otherwise.

"i hate hate hate haters". yes, that sentence makes sense. hating hate is still hatred.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 19, 2014, 06:39:42 pm
Quote from: guizonde on December 19, 2014, 06:32:59 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 19, 2014, 06:28:46 pm
Quote from: guizonde on December 19, 2014, 06:00:18 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 19, 2014, 05:57:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/zVTsYMD.png)

Tumblrina tries to find friends for their echo chamber.

by being more tolerant than your average self-righteous neonazi, methinks...
That comparison would work if she was stating she hated poeple based on their gender/sex/oriantation.
Also, I don't think we have enough information to determine if she wants an echo chamber or if her friends really are massive assholes.

Granted that last sentence indicates otherwise.

"i hate hate hate haters". yes, that sentence makes sense. hating hate is still hatred.
She doesn't say that, she says "hate-all-poeple-hole",a bit less pretentious
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 19, 2014, 09:09:04 pm
Alternatively, "hate-all-people-hole" was not to be taken literally and they just have trouble making like-minded friends? I can certainly relate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 19, 2014, 09:11:15 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 19, 2014, 09:09:04 pm
Alternatively, "hate-all-people-hole" was not to be taken literally and they just have trouble making like-minded friends? I can certainly relate.
Most likely.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 20, 2014, 12:08:49 am
(http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2012-07-31.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on December 20, 2014, 12:27:52 am
Remember when Sinfest was funny? Gods, it's been a while...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 20, 2014, 01:40:29 am
Tatsuya Ishida...so...is Sinfest made by a guy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 20, 2014, 02:24:00 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 20, 2014, 01:40:29 am
Tatsuya Ishida...so...is Sinfest made by a guy?
Yes.

...And it used to be sooo good. It had funny moments. It had cute moments. It even had thoughtful and beautiful moments. Some of the jokes were borderline NSFW but it made jokes about men and women equally and wasn't degrading or anything.

Then Ishida went into the SJW crowd and nowadays the comic is mostly just guilt tripping guys and complaining how porn is abuse of women and has mary sue feminists in the comic...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 20, 2014, 02:32:17 am
So he's a Radfem Guy. I'm sorry, that's too funny.

Its almost like a serious Black Klansman.

Oh, right, SJW, they left logic out in the rain. Kicked it out for being "triggering".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 20, 2014, 01:05:01 pm
Quote from: askold on December 20, 2014, 02:24:00 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 20, 2014, 01:40:29 am
Tatsuya Ishida...so...is Sinfest made by a guy?
Yes.

...And it used to be sooo good. It had funny moments. It had cute moments. It even had thoughtful and beautiful moments. Some of the jokes were borderline NSFW but it made jokes about men and women equally and wasn't degrading or anything.

Then Ishida went into the SJW crowd and nowadays the comic is mostly just guilt tripping guys and complaining how porn is abuse of women and has mary sue feminists in the comic...
I'm fine with th fact the creator chose to add feminist jokes and messages into the strip, hell, the porn industry does cause a ton of harm to women (through abuse of workers, not the actual porn).
What is shitty about this strip is that it's slut shaming under the banner of protecting women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 20, 2014, 01:14:28 pm
Not to mention the occasional, yet overt, fetishization of lesbians.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 20, 2014, 01:49:57 pm
It's kinda funny, really. I have a friend in the RP community who used to roleplay Satan from Sinfest. It was a hell of a lot of fun RPing with him, but he kinda lost the muse after Ishida went batshit SJW. Fortunately, he has other people who are fun to play with.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 20, 2014, 01:53:56 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 20, 2014, 01:05:01 pm
Quote from: askold on December 20, 2014, 02:24:00 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 20, 2014, 01:40:29 am
Tatsuya Ishida...so...is Sinfest made by a guy?
Yes.

...And it used to be sooo good. It had funny moments. It had cute moments. It even had thoughtful and beautiful moments. Some of the jokes were borderline NSFW but it made jokes about men and women equally and wasn't degrading or anything.

Then Ishida went into the SJW crowd and nowadays the comic is mostly just guilt tripping guys and complaining how porn is abuse of women and has mary sue feminists in the comic...
I'm fine with th fact the creator chose to add feminist jokes and messages into the strip, hell, the porn industry does cause a ton of harm to women (through abuse of workers, not the actual porn).
What is shitty about this strip is that it's slut shaming under the banner of protecting women.
Oh yeah, there is no denying that sex and porn industries have exploited women but there are also decent companies and women who work those industries willingly and sometimes feminists shut them up either by simply slut shaming them or occasionally explaining that their opinion does not count because obviously they don't understand something this complicated and are exploited without realizing it.

Ishida at least hasn't gone quite that far but the latest strips have had him showing that anyone who looks at porn is literally a demon (or Uncle Sam. But U.S. is basically a drug addict who can't realize that his horrible addiction is destroying his marriage to the statue of liberty.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 20, 2014, 03:08:43 pm
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Hey, kids? Want to brush up on Tumblr "genders", just in case? Well, this is the resource for you!

(http://36.media.tumblr.com/ba766045620b3cd153991987d97bd39e/tumblr_ngr1tgoIWO1tltr4xo1_1280.png)

Cognitive dissonance for everybody! Hell, at this rate I might start turning to /r/ tumblrinaction for new content- Fuck it. When did I ever have standards?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 20, 2014, 03:41:55 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/5v9lqf.jpg)

Did I mention how much I loathe Randi Harper?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 20, 2014, 03:42:29 pm
"Hey, do you mind cooking tonight? I'm really tired from work, I promise to do it tommorow"

"STOP RAPING ME"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on December 20, 2014, 03:45:15 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on December 20, 2014, 03:08:43 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 20, 2014, 04:14:13 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/30lo1ur.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on December 20, 2014, 06:48:38 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on December 20, 2014, 03:08:43 pm
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Hey, kids? Want to brush up on Tumblr "genders", just in case? Well, this is the resource for you!

I scrolled through the list real fast, and as I passed the T section I swore I saw "toiletgender". I had to scroll back to check to be sure it wasn't there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 20, 2014, 07:27:47 pm
Toiletgender: I identify as something you flushed down the toilet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 20, 2014, 07:34:02 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on December 20, 2014, 07:27:47 pm
Toiletgender: I identify as something you flushed down the toilet.

I thought it referred to the toilet itself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 21, 2014, 03:28:20 am
I don't have any lol-worthy pictures of this, but one of the things I hate about tumblr right now is that everybody's saying "you don't need dysphoria to be trans!!! if you think/feel like you're trans you are!!!!" partially because it leads to bullshit like "galaxy-kin" and "toilet-kin" and "poké-kin" and whatever else is cool this week and partially because how the fuck do you "feel trans" without feeling dysphoria? For me, at least, dysphoria has been the defining characteristic of my transition so far, so trying to say it's not "necessary" is kind of like saying "you can have diabetes even if your body produces/uses insulin properly!!! if you feel diabetic you are diabetic and your valid and we love you!!! uwu". Maybe I'm following the wrong people and I'm definitely overthinking this, but it pisses me off.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on December 21, 2014, 03:34:42 am
(http://i.imgur.com/gvIrL6G.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 21, 2014, 03:55:45 am
Quote
Please don’t call yourself a feminist if you say things like “TERF”. You’re just silencing women because you don’t want to listen to facts. Silencing women isn’t very feminist of you, now is it?
(I think this that "TERF is a slur bs)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 21, 2014, 03:57:16 am
^^ HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE I AM NOT DIABETIC!! AS A PRO-DIAB, I FEEL DIABETIC EVEN THOUGH I AM PERFECTLY HEALTHY AND PRODUCE MUCH INSULIN! You should know your attitude is DEEPLY PROBLEMATIC. Which is a BAD THING. Hence why I am PUNCTUATING RANDOM WORDS.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 21, 2014, 07:48:26 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 21, 2014, 03:57:16 am
^^ HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE I AM NOT DIABETIC!! AS A PRO-DIAB, I FEEL DIABETIC EVEN THOUGH I AM PERFECTLY HEALTHY AND PRODUCE MUCH INSULIN! You should know your attitude is DEEPLY PROBLEMATIC. Which is a BAD THING. Hence why I am PUNCTUATING RANDOM WORDS.
Nailed it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: IanC on December 21, 2014, 12:51:46 pm
Theres people on tumblr (as well as elsewhere, but you know, tumblr seems to be the LOUDEST) supporting that killed the NYPD officers. Despite the fact that he also killed a woman.. which i recall tumblr ignoring the male victims of a school shooter earlier this year to make it all about misogyny..
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 21, 2014, 01:25:25 pm
I'm a potato, because Tumblr told me so.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 21, 2014, 01:51:50 pm
^^ Amazing what the people who shout the loudest about empathy and rights for the disenfranchised find themselves doing and saying.

You got links? I want to play the Not So Different card on them and see where it goes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 21, 2014, 03:49:46 pm
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Quote from: niam2023 on December 21, 2014, 01:51:50 pm
^^ Amazing what the people who shout the loudest about empathy and rights for the disenfranchised find themselves doing and saying.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
-CS Lewis

As for links, I think the "Gender Dictionary" ought to be easy enough to find.

And regarding the Plebcomics thing a couple pages, these things wanted to leak her contact info to her abusive ex. These plans were only abandoned because they could be held responsible. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 21, 2014, 04:43:50 pm
Wil Wheaton has suggested that we end internet anonymity:

https://archive.today/mKGVe#selection-4759.0-4759.99 (https://archive.today/mKGVe#selection-4759.0-4759.99)

I just have one thing to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Y6SUh8saQ
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 21, 2014, 04:59:11 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/jbMXhKZ.png)

This better be a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 21, 2014, 05:29:08 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 21, 2014, 04:43:50 pm
Wil Wheaton has suggested that we end internet anonymity:

https://archive.today/mKGVe#selection-4759.0-4759.99 (https://archive.today/mKGVe#selection-4759.0-4759.99)

I just have one thing to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Y6SUh8saQ
Meh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 21, 2014, 06:26:10 pm
Quote from: Wil Wheaton
But in the gaming community, those protections [anonimity] aren’t necessary, and they aren’t helping. Anonymous trolls have made the gaming community toxic — especially for women

How do you write those two sentences next to each other and not get slapped in the face by the dissonance?

Surely, if anonymous trolls are toxic towards women, then we should allow women the right to be anonymous when gaming? Obviously it's not a perfect solution and in an ideal world people wouldn't need to hide their identity, but we don't live there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 21, 2014, 06:38:11 pm
I agree with Wil Wheaton. You should be required to disclose your full name, address, and workplace to everyone and anyone you meet on the internet. Surely ending anonymity will make harassment end, rather than worsening it by essentially doxxing everyone!

What's that, you say? Address and workplace aren't necessary? Then how do you think things are going to change? Do you really think people will be so much different depending on whether they're GamerRoxxor or Austin Power?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 21, 2014, 06:45:12 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 21, 2014, 06:42:08 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 21, 2014, 06:38:11 pm
I agree with Wil Wheaton. You should be required to disclose your full name, address, and workplace to everyone and anyone you meet on the internet. Surely ending anonymity will make harassment end, rather than worsening it by essentially doxxing everyone!

What's that, you say? Address and workplace aren't necessary? Then how do you think things are going to change? Do you really think people will be so much different depending on whether they're GamerRoxxor or Austin Power?
He didn't say everyone on the Internet...

Who, then? Who gets to have this grand repository of names, addresses, phone numbers, and the like?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 21, 2014, 06:52:56 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 21, 2014, 06:45:12 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 21, 2014, 06:42:08 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 21, 2014, 06:38:11 pm
I agree with Wil Wheaton. You should be required to disclose your full name, address, and workplace to everyone and anyone you meet on the internet. Surely ending anonymity will make harassment end, rather than worsening it by essentially doxxing everyone!

What's that, you say? Address and workplace aren't necessary? Then how do you think things are going to change? Do you really think people will be so much different depending on whether they're GamerRoxxor or Austin Power?
He didn't say everyone on the Internet...

Who, then? Who gets to have this grand repository of names, addresses, phone numbers, and the like?
He says he wanted to end OA for people in online games.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 21, 2014, 06:53:25 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 21, 2014, 06:52:56 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 21, 2014, 06:45:12 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 21, 2014, 06:42:08 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 21, 2014, 06:38:11 pm
I agree with Wil Wheaton. You should be required to disclose your full name, address, and workplace to everyone and anyone you meet on the internet. Surely ending anonymity will make harassment end, rather than worsening it by essentially doxxing everyone!

What's that, you say? Address and workplace aren't necessary? Then how do you think things are going to change? Do you really think people will be so much different depending on whether they're GamerRoxxor or Austin Power?
He didn't say everyone on the Internet...

Who, then? Who gets to have this grand repository of names, addresses, phone numbers, and the like?
He says he wanted to end OA for people in online games.

How nice of him. How. How. How does he plan to do this thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 21, 2014, 07:05:02 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 21, 2014, 06:53:25 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 21, 2014, 06:52:56 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 21, 2014, 06:45:12 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 21, 2014, 06:42:08 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 21, 2014, 06:38:11 pm
I agree with Wil Wheaton. You should be required to disclose your full name, address, and workplace to everyone and anyone you meet on the internet. Surely ending anonymity will make harassment end, rather than worsening it by essentially doxxing everyone!

What's that, you say? Address and workplace aren't necessary? Then how do you think things are going to change? Do you really think people will be so much different depending on whether they're GamerRoxxor or Austin Power?
He didn't say everyone on the Internet...

Who, then? Who gets to have this grand repository of names, addresses, phone numbers, and the like?
He says he wanted to end OA for people in online games.

How nice of him. How. How. How does he plan to do this thing.
First off, chill.
Secondly, I don't really know, all I said was he didn't want to end OA for everyone on the Internet, I never said I approve of his plan how it is.
A better idea would be to give Video Game companies the ability to deal with the many Harrasers in video games.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 23, 2014, 07:03:32 am
Quote
As you may have heard, Wilbur Cerate, a Virginia man, claims that last month, two People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals staffers turned up at his home when he wasn't there, loaded his daughter's Chihuahua, Maya, into a van, and then euthanized her.

Three days later -- this is the real kicker -- the PETA workers are said to have then brought the grieving family a fruit basket.

Parts of this were caught on surveillance video.

Accomack County Sheriff Todd Godwin told WAVY -- the first local news outlet to pursue this bizarre, sad story -- he charged the dog-nappers with larceny, only to see the charges dropped by the Commonwealth Attorney because, as the paper put it, "there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute."

On Wednesday, DELMARVA Now got the names of those who were charged: Victoria Jean Carey, who appears to do HR for the group, and Jennifer Lisa Woods, another longtime PETA staffer who seems to have been quoted in a 1997 article advocating for the "compassionate" euthanasia of homeless cats. (Sure, that was nearly 20 years ago -- but PETA still has a web page up entitled "Euthanasia: The Compassionate Option.")

Godwin told the paper that "both individuals were working on behalf of the PETA Community Assistance Program when the theft occurred."

Compassion, mercy and empathy - PETA's most valued things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 23, 2014, 08:35:30 am
So...what's it take to get something classified as a domestic terrorist organization again?  Because PETA's heading down that road pretty damned fast.  Hell, they already fund domestic terrorists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 23, 2014, 12:41:27 pm
Wait a second, they stole someone's house pet and euthanized it? WTF?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 23, 2014, 01:27:58 pm
PETA doesn't like pets. If I've understood it correctly they think that owning pets is like slavery so pets should be freed to live in the wild ...apart from the breeds/species that can't survive without human help. Those should all be euthanized.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 23, 2014, 06:23:48 pm
^^ Lets not mince words - they broke into someone's property, took the pet, and then killed it.

PETA's apparently been doing this kind of thing - randomly picking up outside dogs - for a long time.

Ingrid Newkirk even said in her time at an animal shelter she doesn't remember how many animals she killed as "euthanasia", and sometimes she'd even go there early just to do other people's slaughter quota. She even claimed it felt "fulfilling" or something.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 23, 2014, 06:35:26 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on December 23, 2014, 06:23:48 pm
^^ Lets not mince words - they broke into someone's property, took the pet, and then killed it.

PETA's apparently been doing this kind of thing - randomly picking up outside dogs - for a long time.

Ingrid Newkirk even said in her time at an animal shelter she doesn't remember how many animals she killed as "euthanasia", and sometimes she'd even go there early just to do other people's slaughter quota. She even claimed it felt "fulfilling" or something.

that's psychopathy and bloodlust right there. there's something wrong with these people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 23, 2014, 06:45:27 pm
So essentially a whole organization made of low functioning psychopaths and the celebrities who support them.

That is nightmarish in its own right.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 23, 2014, 06:48:46 pm
My god, the sociopathy and loss of regard for life in the statement by Newkirk just sums the bitch up so well. If others kill animals in the name of a cause, that's horrible. But if they do it, it's a-okay.   
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 23, 2014, 07:45:21 pm
"If I say I didn't commit any murders, I didn't, simply because I say so!" - Charles Manson.

"If we do it, its okay, its not murder, because we say so. If they do it, its murder, because they're not us." -Ingrid Newkirk in Summary.

I'm starting to think PETA behaves an awful lot like a certain cult...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 23, 2014, 10:11:10 pm
Yeah, and they run their own Helter Skelter Shelter. I guess they borrowed the death van thing from (Godwin).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on December 24, 2014, 02:57:45 am
The most ironic thing is that her "start of darkness" was when she dropped an abandoned cat with kittens at a local shelter, then found out they were immediately euthanized, which she found horrible. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 24, 2014, 03:03:08 am
DestroyPETA2015
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 24, 2014, 05:28:07 am
^^ True - she walked into a shelter and saw some kittens be euthanized. The astonishing thing is just how quickly she got around to being exactly like that.

She volunteered at an animal shelter and then basically bragged in a magazine of how many animals she "mercifully killed."

To use PETA's own weak "humans are just like animals" ideology, to look at this in such a way, in their own viewpoint Ingrid Newkirk then becomes the single most prolific serial killer in history.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 24, 2014, 05:42:22 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 23, 2014, 06:23:48 pm
^^ Lets not mince words - they broke into someone's property, took the pet, and then killed it.

I wasn't trying to mince words. I just said what their opinion on pets is. What they did on this particular occasion is a whole separate kind of crazy and was basically burglary. I don't even have sympathy on PETA terrorizing scientists who do experiments on animals but attacking a random family just does not make sense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 24, 2014, 07:59:57 am
Quote from: askold on December 24, 2014, 05:42:22 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 23, 2014, 06:23:48 pm
^^ Lets not mince words - they broke into someone's property, took the pet, and then killed it.

I wasn't trying to mince words. I just said what their opinion on pets is. What they did on this particular occasion is a whole separate kind of crazy and was basically burglary. I don't even have sympathy on PETA terrorizing scientists who do experiments on animals but attacking a random family just does not make sense.

That's because you're thinking in rational terms, these aren't rational people you're dealing with.  They see your pet Dachshund or whatever, and they don't see a pet, they see a slave enduring a fate worse than death.  If your pet is of a breed that is dependent on humans for survival, they see that as going against the natural order, and they take pity on the creature in the only way they know how: humanely removing it from the gene pool, leaving only those animals that can survive without us.

Most of their membership are simply normal people fooled into their particular ideology who honestly don't know any better, and don't engage in things like this.  However, PETA has a large number of severely psychologically unwell individuals who see themselves as candidates for sainthood, not as genocidal mass murderers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 24, 2014, 08:57:27 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 24, 2014, 05:28:07 am
^^ True - she walked into a shelter and saw some kittens be euthanized. The astonishing thing is just how quickly she got around to being exactly like that.

She volunteered at an animal shelter and then basically bragged in a magazine of how many animals she "mercifully killed."

To use PETA's own weak "humans are just like animals" ideology, to look at this in such a way, in their own viewpoint Ingrid Newkirk then becomes the single most prolific serial killer in history.

"victims make the best torturers" logic applied to animal euthanasia. sickening. i want those people on trial.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 24, 2014, 10:47:49 am
Take a look at this. (http://sjwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page#.VJj3cV4AKA")

The frothing hatred of scientism especially makes me laugh my ass off. In addition, I wanted to address something here that's annoyed me from ever getting into SJ circles.

Quote
Free speech does not apply to private entities such as blogs, internet forums, and social media sites etc. The state cannot intrude unjustly on your words on the sites, but the private owners do not have to give you a platform for your speech.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Spirit of the law, not the letter. First amendment does protect my freedom of speech from the Government, but it does not grant it. Free speech is greater than any rotting piece of paper in a glass case, and it will always be so.

http://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/Free_Speech_Doesnt_Only_Apply_to_Government.aspx (http://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/Free_Speech_Doesnt_Only_Apply_to_Government.aspx)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 24, 2014, 10:59:36 am
There was a bit of typo grime at the beginning of that link. Here 'tis again, edited.

http://sjwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page#.VJj3cV4AKA" (http://sjwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page#.VJj3cV4AKA")
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on December 24, 2014, 11:08:16 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 23, 2014, 07:03:32 am
Quote
As you may have heard, Wilbur Cerate, a Virginia man, claims that last month, two People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals staffers turned up at his home when he wasn't there, loaded his daughter's Chihuahua, Maya, into a van, and then euthanized her.

Three days later -- this is the real kicker -- the PETA workers are said to have then brought the grieving family a fruit basket.

Parts of this were caught on surveillance video.

Accomack County Sheriff Todd Godwin told WAVY -- the first local news outlet to pursue this bizarre, sad story -- he charged the dog-nappers with larceny, only to see the charges dropped by the Commonwealth Attorney because, as the paper put it, "there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute."

On Wednesday, DELMARVA Now got the names of those who were charged: Victoria Jean Carey, who appears to do HR for the group, and Jennifer Lisa Woods, another longtime PETA staffer who seems to have been quoted in a 1997 article advocating for the "compassionate" euthanasia of homeless cats. (Sure, that was nearly 20 years ago -- but PETA still has a web page up entitled "Euthanasia: The Compassionate Option.")

Godwin told the paper that "both individuals were working on behalf of the PETA Community Assistance Program when the theft occurred."

Compassion, mercy and empathy - PETA's most valued things.

For the first time in my life I suddenly find myself finally finding a use/rationale for the lunacy that is the castle doctrine in regards to "property."  >:(

(Granted, my pets are family and would be defended as such regardless of what the law says about their legal status)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 24, 2014, 11:44:44 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on December 24, 2014, 10:47:49 am
Take a look at this. (http://sjwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page#.VJj3cV4AKA")

The frothing hatred of scientism especially makes me laugh my ass off. In addition, I wanted to address something here that's annoyed me from ever getting into SJ circles.

Quote
Free speech does not apply to private entities such as blogs, internet forums, and social media sites etc. The state cannot intrude unjustly on your words on the sites, but the private owners do not have to give you a platform for your speech.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Spirit of the law, not the letter. First amendment does protect my freedom of speech from the Government, but it does not grant it. Free speech is greater than any rotting piece of paper in a glass case, and it will always be so.

http://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/Free_Speech_Doesnt_Only_Apply_to_Government.aspx (http://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/Free_Speech_Doesnt_Only_Apply_to_Government.aspx)
[transfer of pug_dog_Spectacularly_gored_by_bull.flv to madman.exe completed]





Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 24, 2014, 11:49:24 am
[transfer of MotleyCrue'sgreatesthits.exe completed]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 24, 2014, 06:27:09 pm
(http://36.media.tumblr.com/0f4de22d4e94372ddbacda65faca8dd8/tumblr_ngs4carRZj1u00qgto1_500.png)

One does not have to be cis or male to enjoy foreplay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 24, 2014, 07:52:02 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on December 24, 2014, 10:47:49 am
Quote
Free speech does not apply to private entities such as blogs, internet forums, and social media sites etc. The state cannot intrude unjustly on your words on the sites, but the private owners do not have to give you a platform for your speech.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Spirit of the law, not the letter. First amendment does protect my freedom of speech from the Government, but it does not grant it. Free speech is greater than any rotting piece of paper in a glass case, and it will always be so.

http://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/Free_Speech_Doesnt_Only_Apply_to_Government.aspx (http://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/Free_Speech_Doesnt_Only_Apply_to_Government.aspx)

I'm as big an advocate of "free speech doesn't just mean the First Ammendment"  as any, but they are not wrong. You don't have any obligation, legal or moral, to provide a platform to speech in a private venue.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 24, 2014, 08:30:37 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 24, 2014, 07:52:02 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on December 24, 2014, 10:47:49 am
Quote
Free speech does not apply to private entities such as blogs, internet forums, and social media sites etc. The state cannot intrude unjustly on your words on the sites, but the private owners do not have to give you a platform for your speech.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Spirit of the law, not the letter. First amendment does protect my freedom of speech from the Government, but it does not grant it. Free speech is greater than any rotting piece of paper in a glass case, and it will always be so.

http://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/Free_Speech_Doesnt_Only_Apply_to_Government.aspx (http://www.agonybooth.com/agonizer/Free_Speech_Doesnt_Only_Apply_to_Government.aspx)

I'm as big an advocate of "free speech doesn't just mean the First Ammendment"  as any, but they are not wrong. You don't have any obligation, legal or moral, to provide a platform to speech in a private venue.

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 25, 2014, 09:30:21 pm
(http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag149/Carrie_Kube/post-700-1419387398_zpsb8496473.jpg)

Alright, now my precognition is starting to scare me.  Anyway, who wants to read 7 pages of Dobson lecturing a lesbian about shipping social justice via shipping fictional lesbians?

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/501180327/3690729268 (http://comments.deviantart.com/1/501180327/3690729268)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 26, 2014, 01:35:24 pm
They think THAT'S hypersexualized?  Do they live under a fucking rock?!  Yeah, its obviously sexualized, but I've seen armour sets in games like WoW and Guild Wars that were more revealing than that.  Fuck, compared to some of the sets in the original Guild Wars, that's downright conservative.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 26, 2014, 02:02:58 pm
Honestly, I'm more interested in the second item.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 26, 2014, 05:44:42 pm
Skyfail can only look at her in horror as he tries to sputter some bullshit about how her boobs are going to get in way of her mechanics work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2014, 07:00:38 pm
I never thought this day would come, but I have to side with Tumblr on this one. Why is it that practical outfits for female characters are so damn taboo in video games? I like tits as much as the next guy, but I also like my games not pandering to 13 year old boys even more, especially in a game where I'm supposed to take the story and characters seriously (like, oh I don't know, Final Fantasy).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 26, 2014, 07:21:57 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2014, 07:00:38 pm
I never thought this day would come, but I have to side with Tumblr on this one. Why is it that practical outfits for female characters are so damn taboo in video games? I like tits as much as the next guy, but I also like my games not pandering to 13 year old boys even more, especially in a game where I'm supposed to take the story and characters seriously (like, oh I don't know, Final Fantasy).

I see where you're coming from.  You know, maybe female RPG characters should have more practical options for what they wear.  That way, everybody wins.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 26, 2014, 07:49:37 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2014, 07:00:38 pm
I never thought this day would come, but I have to side with Tumblr on this one. Why is it that practical outfits for female characters are so damn taboo in video games? I like tits as much as the next guy, but I also like my games not pandering to 13 year old boys even more, especially in a game where I'm supposed to take the story and characters seriously (like, oh I don't know, Final Fantasy).

Have we played different FF games?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2014, 07:53:17 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 26, 2014, 07:49:37 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2014, 07:00:38 pm
I never thought this day would come, but I have to side with Tumblr on this one. Why is it that practical outfits for female characters are so damn taboo in video games? I like tits as much as the next guy, but I also like my games not pandering to 13 year old boys even more, especially in a game where I'm supposed to take the story and characters seriously (like, oh I don't know, Final Fantasy).

Have we played different FF games?

Admittedly, I've only played most of the way through 6, but between that and what I've heard of the rest of the series, they're pretty straight faced RPGs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 26, 2014, 08:04:47 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Dj8LYpo.jpg)

Yeah! That'll teach that cis scum to complement people!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 26, 2014, 08:42:37 pm
Never happened.

Ironbite-well...perhaps in UP's wildest fantasies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 26, 2014, 10:28:09 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2eqcmtc.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG_xNbVMmIA
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 27, 2014, 02:30:40 am
The most telling thing about these fairy tails these miserable creatures make to make themselves seem "strong" and "big social changers" is that there is utterly no reaction whatsoever from the guy. Its like after the Act of Social Justice, he vanishes.

If they actually did this, they'd probably be attacked for it. They go right for the awe-inspiring parts of social justice, and try to evade the icky, painful bits.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 27, 2014, 04:11:03 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 27, 2014, 02:30:40 am
The most telling thing about these fairy tails these miserable creatures make to make themselves seem "strong" and "big social changers" is that there is utterly no reaction whatsoever from the guy. Its like after the Act of Social Justice, he vanishes.

If they actually did this, they'd probably be attacked for it. They go right for the awe-inspiring parts of social justice, and try to evade the icky, painful bits.
I think you overthink things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 27, 2014, 09:45:45 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 27, 2014, 04:11:03 am
Quote from: niam2023 on December 27, 2014, 02:30:40 am
The most telling thing about these fairy tails these miserable creatures make to make themselves seem "strong" and "big social changers" is that there is utterly no reaction whatsoever from the guy. Its like after the Act of Social Justice, he vanishes.

If they actually did this, they'd probably be attacked for it. They go right for the awe-inspiring parts of social justice, and try to evade the icky, painful bits.
I think you overthink things.
No, I think Niam hit the nail straight on the head here.

(http://i.imgur.com/6goWMjl.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 29, 2014, 04:53:26 pm
Its not my fault that my cat is too god damned lazy to get off his ass and learn English.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 29, 2014, 05:19:40 pm
I like to oppress my cat with constant microaggressions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 29, 2014, 06:27:42 pm
MICROAGRESSORS!

YOU ARE ALL BEING EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC AND UTTERLY TRIGGERING!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on December 29, 2014, 08:38:52 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 29, 2014, 05:19:40 pm
I like to oppress my cat with constant microaggressions.
Otherwise known as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp4HPQrerWg
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 29, 2014, 11:43:32 pm
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/5d49a92c8c3b7a4a4d070d3477321d3d/tumblr_nh1t9zL03J1u00qgto1_400.png)

"reality issues"

(http://i.imgur.com/9XycJrA.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 30, 2014, 02:08:25 am
This person should never play a Dragon Age game. Every single one of them has a Fade segment that would probably "trigger" them silly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 30, 2014, 02:21:10 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/axovb.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on December 30, 2014, 03:40:41 pm
That one reminds me of a nasty undercurrent I've observed in the LGBT rights movement, where people have been claiming that the goal of societal acceptance is somehow counterproductive.

The demand for marriage equality is apparently misguided because "our relationships are already non-traditional, so we shouldn't be trying to force them into a traditional institution" and "the institution of marriage is inherently oppressive."

The fight against DADT was also criticized because "War is bad and the military is a tool of imperialists, so we should be protesting against them instead of trying to join them."

etc.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 30, 2014, 06:56:00 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 29, 2014, 11:43:32 pm
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/5d49a92c8c3b7a4a4d070d3477321d3d/tumblr_nh1t9zL03J1u00qgto1_400.png)

"reality issues"

(http://i.imgur.com/9XycJrA.gif)

Reality issues....oh god.

Ironbite-I would've accepted temporal issues but yeah.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on December 30, 2014, 07:03:53 pm
I'm about 90% sure the 'reality issues' one is satire.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 30, 2014, 08:46:16 pm
I...I don't...I just don't anymore.

Girl commits suicide due to shitty ass parents not accepting her for what she is and this ass comes in saying "Oh it's so bad this happened to her but SHE'S A HORRIBLE PERSON BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN OUR SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE SHIT WE PULL ALL THE TIME!"

Ironbite-just...wow.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 30, 2014, 08:53:33 pm
What the fuck is anti-divine, and can someone tell me some anti-divine things to say so I can upset people on tumblr?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 30, 2014, 09:44:17 pm
It refers to Actually Divine/God kin. A special brand of Special Snowflake who believe that they're gods in human bodies.

(http://36.media.tumblr.com/4c031c3d93d2d7fb42bebcf68c72333c/tumblr_ngxq5bu6Hj1tltr4xo1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 30, 2014, 10:03:42 pm
They sound like they might be enjoyable. How DO these loons leave the house.

I am someone who, admittedly, has an ego that possibly has its own gravitational field, and they sound utterly egotistical even on my standards.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 30, 2014, 10:19:30 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on December 30, 2014, 09:44:17 pm
It refers to Actually Divine/God kin. A special brand of Special Snowflake who believe that they're gods in human bodies.

(http://36.media.tumblr.com/4c031c3d93d2d7fb42bebcf68c72333c/tumblr_ngxq5bu6Hj1tltr4xo1_1280.png)
I think they're a brownstonespirekin
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on December 30, 2014, 10:31:15 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on December 30, 2014, 10:03:42 pm
They sound like they might be enjoyable. How DO these loons leave the house.

Easy. On tumblr they're faking.  They wake in the morning, go off to school, go to work folding sweaters or flipping burgers at the mall. They come home and their parents just don't get them (a generational thing I imagine goes back to cave men times). Then when they get in front of a computer, it's time for DIECISSCUM!!!1!1. Just an escape, nothing more nothing less.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kain on December 31, 2014, 01:57:54 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on December 30, 2014, 08:28:55 pm
On Leelah Alcorn:

(click to show/hide)

What is this "Your Fave is Problematic" bullshit?

I like how they add the "oh it's so horrible what happened to her" bit, as though they actually care.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 31, 2014, 11:26:49 am
I think this might be the epitome of how the SJ narrative fucks things up:

This is Scott Aaronson's story of his struggles as a shy, nerdy guy. (http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2091#comment-326664)

This is Amanda Marcotte's reading of that story. (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/mit-professor-explains-the-real-oppression-is-having-to-learn-to-talk-to-women/)

The "nerds are secretly assholes who think the universe owes them sex" narrative is so entrenched that apparently Marcotte can't possibly read the story in any other way, to the point that, at parts, her commentary boils down to:

"You say that reason leads you to agree with feminist values despite having bad experiences, so clearly what you are actually saying is that you want to be more of a misogynist but reality won't let you!"

"Yes, you explicitly say that women don't owe you anything, but clearly you are secretly thinking it!"

And so on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 31, 2014, 11:29:44 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 31, 2014, 11:26:49 am
I think this might be the epitome of how the SJ narrative fucks things up:

This is Scott Aaronson's story of his struggles as a shy, nerdy guy. (http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2091#comment-326664)

This is Amanda Marcotte's reading of that story. (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/mit-professor-explains-the-real-oppression-is-having-to-learn-to-talk-to-women/)

The "nerds are secretly assholes who think the universe owes them sex" narrative is so entrenched that apparently Marcotte can't possibly read the story in any other way, to the point that, at parts, her commentary boils down to:

"You say that reason leads you to agree with feminist values despite having bad experiences, so clearly what you are actually saying is that you want to be more of a misogynist but reality won't let you!"

"Yes, you explicitly say that women don't owe you anything, but clearly you are secretly thinking it!"

And so on.

He who fights monsters...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 31, 2014, 04:43:11 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/5pio8o.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on December 31, 2014, 07:29:36 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 31, 2014, 04:43:11 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/5pio8o.jpg)

Does this special snowflake see the visible spectrum? Sometimes I wonder...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 31, 2014, 07:32:58 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/194a173f30374fdd8dcbcdae84c8a0ee/tumblr_ndpak5NwL51u1g0j5o1_1280.png)

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/67070b56919c7ae0be120e580914f4c0/tumblr_ndpa3nkdZv1u1g0j5o1_500.png)

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/39cf88581ebc3760ddbd8a1db71019ff/tumblr_ndp9z626Wp1u1g0j5o1_1280.png)

I love Tumblr about me sections.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 02, 2015, 12:41:19 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/24qo9pg.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on January 02, 2015, 05:51:52 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 31, 2014, 11:26:49 am
I think this might be the epitome of how the SJ narrative fucks things up:

This is Scott Aaronson's story of his struggles as a shy, nerdy guy. (http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2091#comment-326664)

This is Amanda Marcotte's reading of that story. (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/mit-professor-explains-the-real-oppression-is-having-to-learn-to-talk-to-women/)

What's remarkable about the Marcotte piece - and what seems common in particular to feminist pieces, but also nowadays increasingly across a lot of left-wing commentry - is the utter denial of the possibility of failure at their end. The idea that Aaronson feels the way he does because feminism has failed in any way, whether through action, implementation or communication, is inconceivable; hence Aaronson, in not being entirely sold, must be a sexist asshole. I wouldn't say that Aaronson's comment is entirely enlightened, but it is emotionally honest, and his point seems to be that feminist rhetoric doesn't always seem to square with practicalities in the real world, or with the actions of women themselves. This would suggest that either the theory needs to be better, or the disparity explaining better, but this winds up being off-limits to Marcotte.

The Marcotte piece also seems to possess the other major implicit theme, that men need to improve, but women need do nothing whatsoever to change their outlook, and don't need to be encouraged either - that once men reject patriarchal values, women will magically change with them, because all women are feminists waiting to happen. Y'know, just like all poor people are socialists waiting to happen, and all atheists are Christians waiting to happen, etc., etc...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on January 02, 2015, 06:37:19 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/12/31/katie-hopkins-fat-story-doc-police-report_n_6399540.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/12/31/katie-hopkins-fat-story-doc-police-report_n_6399540.html)

Quote
Katie Hopkins has been reported to the police for hate crimes against overweight people, following her comments to one plus size activist on her reality TV show, 'My Fat Story'.

In the scenes, which are set to air on Saturday 3 January, Katie goes head-to-head with campaigner Kathryn Szrodecki.

In a preview clip obtained by the Daily Mail, Katie tells Kathryn: “I’m looking at you and I’m making an assessment that it is not healthy to carry that much weight on your knees.

“I just don’t believe you’re healthy in that state.”

As Katie takes aim at another woman in the room, Kathryn interjects, stating, “Do you not realise where you’re going with this? This is actually to do with a hate crime,” before asking if she can call the police.

I don't watch "reality" TV, and from what I've read, Katie Hopkins is considered to be an insufferable person to many, many people.  However, there is a difference between having a disagreement with someone and that person insulting you for how you appear versus actually being targeted for who you are or are perceived to be.  Hate crime does not mean someone was being openly hateful to a person or group of people, it means a crime was committed towards a person or group of people because the person committing the crime hated that particular group of person.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 02, 2015, 06:40:43 pm
According to some tumblrinas...any form of negative comments is actually a hate crime.

Ironbite-where'd this woman come from?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 02, 2015, 07:17:26 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 02, 2015, 06:40:43 pm
According to some tumblrinas...any form of negative comments is actually a hate crime.

Ironbite-where'd this woman come from?

She was on The Apprentice I think. anyway her job right now seems to be trolling fat people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on January 02, 2015, 07:29:16 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on January 02, 2015, 07:17:26 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 02, 2015, 06:40:43 pm
According to some tumblrinas...any form of negative comments is actually a hate crime.

Ironbite-where'd this woman come from?

She was on The Apprentice I think. anyway her job right now seems to be trolling fat people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Hopkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Hopkins) - Where I learned about her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 02, 2015, 07:33:37 pm
Not her.  The other one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on January 02, 2015, 08:07:25 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 02, 2015, 07:33:37 pm
Not her.  The other one.

Kathryn Szrodecki is a "size acceptance campaigner" who appears every once a while on TV and radio.  An article about her first appeared in The Telegraph in 2000 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/dietandfitness/4702893/Making-a-bigger-difference.html).  She also has a blog (http://kathrynszrodecki.wordpress.com/) that she hasn't written since 2013.

Here (https://audioboom.com/boos/853744-size-acceptance-campaigner-kathryn-szrodecki-on-the-fire-service-helping-30-patients-over-40st-from-their-homes) is her arguing with a BBC radio talk show host Stephen Nolan about the increasing levels of obesity in Britain and the increasing burden of cost to the NHS.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 02, 2015, 08:27:15 pm
As offensive as that woman's words are....they're not a hate crime.

Ironbite-You just can't label anything you want a hate crime.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on January 02, 2015, 10:06:14 pm
And might I add, as someone who is overweight, that although there is certainly unnecessary mockery of fat people, it IS unhealthy, and should not be simply encouraged as "part of who you are" as these tumblrinas seem to do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 03, 2015, 02:57:20 am
Quote from: Sixth Monarchist on January 02, 2015, 05:51:52 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 31, 2014, 11:26:49 am
I think this might be the epitome of how the SJ narrative fucks things up:

This is Scott Aaronson's story of his struggles as a shy, nerdy guy. (http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2091#comment-326664)

This is Amanda Marcotte's reading of that story. (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/mit-professor-explains-the-real-oppression-is-having-to-learn-to-talk-to-women/)

What's remarkable about the Marcotte piece - and what seems common in particular to feminist pieces, but also nowadays increasingly across a lot of left-wing commentry - is the utter denial of the possibility of failure at their end. The idea that Aaronson feels the way he does because feminism has failed in any way, whether through action, implementation or communication, is inconceivable; hence Aaronson, in not being entirely sold, must be a sexist asshole. I wouldn't say that Aaronson's comment is entirely enlightened, but it is emotionally honest, and his point seems to be that feminist rhetoric doesn't always seem to square with practicalities in the real world, or with the actions of women themselves. This would suggest that either the theory needs to be better, or the disparity explaining better, but this winds up being off-limits to Marcotte.

The Marcotte piece also seems to possess the other major implicit theme, that men need to improve, but women need do nothing whatsoever to change their outlook, and don't need to be encouraged either - that once men reject patriarchal values, women will magically change with them, because all women are feminists waiting to happen. Y'know, just like all poor people are socialists waiting to happen, and all atheists are Christians waiting to happen, etc., etc...
I just thought that while the guy's post was probably being melodramatic her response was... Bad, to say the least. It would have been better if she had spent more time giving decent arguments as to why his talking points are wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 06, 2015, 08:29:02 am
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e02697da7decd441fd71319ae867411b/tumblr_nheut64IkX1u5ji91o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on January 06, 2015, 09:11:11 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 06, 2015, 08:29:02 am
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/e02697da7decd441fd71319ae867411b/tumblr_nheut64IkX1u5ji91o1_500.jpg)

I saw that, she apologized and deleted the post. She got heaps of harassment for it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on January 06, 2015, 09:15:50 am
Quote from: ironbite on January 02, 2015, 08:27:15 pm
As offensive as that woman's words are....they're not a hate crime.

Ironbite-You just can't label anything you want a hate crime.

Reminds me of the line from King of the Hill: Dale just had someone vandalize his property (accidentally, but he didn't know that) at night, so he goes to the police and says,

Dale: This is a hate crime.
Police: how do you know?
Dale: It is a crime, and this person clearly hates me.

Also, worth noting from the first line of a certain wikipedia page,

Quote from: Hate Speech Laws in the United Kingdom
Expressions of hatred toward someone on account of that person's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, or sexual orientation is forbidden.

So, it doesn't appear that weight would even be covered by such a statute. Heck, disability isn't even covered as a protected class under this statute (and I mention this as in the United States, weight is also not a protected class, though severe obesity may be considered a disability and get ADAAA protections).

This is why I always tell people to just go to a lawyer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on January 06, 2015, 09:57:22 am
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/3abccffd82100d8cebec8361aa504044/tumblr_nhbmq6BL0y1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Remember, everyone, “Please clean your room" is now abuse.

In related news...

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/12ba7183a793032337c7d1816f43fbf5/tumblr_nhqj00KpDg1u00qgto1_500.png)

(http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/9e/46/2e/9e462e09c248e853835bc7d367517deb.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 06, 2015, 10:16:00 am
i'm pretty sure that counts as delusions of grandeur, and is considered a mental illness in the dsm v. divine-kin.... talk about bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 06, 2015, 03:22:13 pm
Quote from: Damen on January 06, 2015, 09:57:22 am
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/3abccffd82100d8cebec8361aa504044/tumblr_nhbmq6BL0y1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Remember, everyone, “Please clean your room" is now abuse.

I don't think that's the point. I think Person 2 is trying to say that abused teenagers usually are complaining about something more serious than that, and so the implication that it's just being told to go to their room is part of the mocking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 06, 2015, 06:21:41 pm
Quote from: Damen on January 06, 2015, 09:57:22 am
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/12ba7183a793032337c7d1816f43fbf5/tumblr_nhqj00KpDg1u00qgto1_500.png)
Then the GoC kills you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 06, 2015, 06:27:51 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 06, 2015, 06:21:41 pm
Quote from: Damen on January 06, 2015, 09:57:22 am
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/12ba7183a793032337c7d1816f43fbf5/tumblr_nhqj00KpDg1u00qgto1_500.png)
Then the GoC kills you.

I want to go up to that person and go "Alright you're a god.  Kill me with your divine presence."

Ironbite-then slap them in the face with a fish until it happens.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 06, 2015, 06:29:09 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on January 06, 2015, 03:22:13 pm
Quote from: Damen on January 06, 2015, 09:57:22 am
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/3abccffd82100d8cebec8361aa504044/tumblr_nhbmq6BL0y1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Remember, everyone, “Please clean your room" is now abuse.

I don't think that's the point. I think Person 2 is trying to say that abused teenagers usually are complaining about something more serious than that, and so the implication that it's just being told to go to their room is part of the mocking.

wait, people actually beg on the internet through paypal? have we come to an age of cyber-begging? aw man, i'm so glad not to be on tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 06, 2015, 07:00:32 pm
Quote from: guizonde on January 06, 2015, 06:29:09 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on January 06, 2015, 03:22:13 pm
Quote from: Damen on January 06, 2015, 09:57:22 am
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/3abccffd82100d8cebec8361aa504044/tumblr_nhbmq6BL0y1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Remember, everyone, “Please clean your room" is now abuse.

I don't think that's the point. I think Person 2 is trying to say that abused teenagers usually are complaining about something more serious than that, and so the implication that it's just being told to go to their room is part of the mocking.

wait, people actually beg on the internet through paypal? have we come to an age of cyber-begging? aw man, i'm so glad not to be on tumblr.
Yep, everyone and their Sherlock-kin headmate has a PayPal/GoFundMe/whatever on their blog. Sometimes it's warrented ("help me afford surgery/an escape from an abusive home"), sometimes it's not ("help me afford expensive electronic cat ears to express my kin type").
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 06, 2015, 07:05:01 pm
...wait a sec, I saw something similar to these divine-kin in American Horror Story.

Oh, this makes them about six to ten times creepier.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 06, 2015, 07:45:46 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on January 06, 2015, 07:00:32 pm
Quote from: guizonde on January 06, 2015, 06:29:09 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on January 06, 2015, 03:22:13 pm
Quote from: Damen on January 06, 2015, 09:57:22 am
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/3abccffd82100d8cebec8361aa504044/tumblr_nhbmq6BL0y1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Remember, everyone, “Please clean your room" is now abuse.

I don't think that's the point. I think Person 2 is trying to say that abused teenagers usually are complaining about something more serious than that, and so the implication that it's just being told to go to their room is part of the mocking.

wait, people actually beg on the internet through paypal? have we come to an age of cyber-begging? aw man, i'm so glad not to be on tumblr.
Yep, everyone and their Sherlock-kin headmate has a PayPal/GoFundMe/whatever on their blog. Sometimes it's warrented ("help me afford surgery/an escape from an abusive home"), sometimes it's not ("help me afford expensive electronic cat ears to express my kin type").
I generally get "Help me pay for hormone therapy" or, because I follow a lot of artists "Please fund this animation/book I'm working on." On my dash.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 06, 2015, 07:52:43 pm
I've seen a few teenagers begging for people to buy them shit from their Amazon wishlist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 06, 2015, 09:04:41 pm
Quote from: guizonde on January 06, 2015, 06:29:09 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on January 06, 2015, 03:22:13 pm
Quote from: Damen on January 06, 2015, 09:57:22 am
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/3abccffd82100d8cebec8361aa504044/tumblr_nhbmq6BL0y1u00qgto1_1280.png)

Remember, everyone, “Please clean your room" is now abuse.

I don't think that's the point. I think Person 2 is trying to say that abused teenagers usually are complaining about something more serious than that, and so the implication that it's just being told to go to their room is part of the mocking.

wait, people actually beg on the internet through paypal? have we come to an age of cyber-begging? aw man, i'm so glad not to be on tumblr.

Oh yeah. We've gotten to the point that "make up a sob story and set up a paypal account" is a viable business strategy.

Which doesn't invalidate all the people who actually are victims of abuse, of course.

(on a wider interpretation Kickstarter and Patreon can also be thought of as "cyber-begging", but of a qualitatively different sort)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 06, 2015, 09:11:22 pm
I'm not too proud to beg and point folks to my Paypal.

Know when I do it? when it's a matter of 'we can't afford to pay something vital like electricity because all our money went to the mortgage and food and other bills, and I just had to drop $800 I didn't have on car repairs in the dead of winter'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on January 07, 2015, 12:31:48 am
Damn. I never knew such a thing existed. And here I've been working like a chump all these decades.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 08, 2015, 08:59:54 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/02bda49331262944f4833cadc476ff51/tumblr_nhux9ateMt1qgf1k2o1_400.png)

In which Tumblr actually gets offended by an empty box.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 08, 2015, 09:26:20 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 08, 2015, 08:59:54 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/02bda49331262944f4833cadc476ff51/tumblr_nhux9ateMt1qgf1k2o1_400.png)

In which Tumblr actually gets offended by an empty box.

You'd figure they're all about boxes being empty.  Ba-dum-tsh!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 08, 2015, 10:25:33 pm
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/893/310/9ee.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on January 09, 2015, 12:13:24 am
I...uh...guh...WHAT?

Do these people even know what words mean anymore?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 09, 2015, 12:57:34 am
WORDS ARE A HETEROPATRIARCH-KYRIARCHIST CONSTRUCT! FEELZ ARE ALL DAT MATTER!!!!!!!!!11111111!!!!11!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on January 09, 2015, 01:10:49 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 08, 2015, 08:59:54 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/02bda49331262944f4833cadc476ff51/tumblr_nhux9ateMt1qgf1k2o1_400.png)

In which Tumblr actually gets offended by an empty box.

Honestly at this point I wouldn't be surprised if there were tumblrinas who would take less offence at the suggestion that being trans, whatever-kin, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera is a complete delusion and the mere suggestion that one might have such a condition would be grounds for lifetime lockup in an asylum than attempts to dance around the matter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 09, 2015, 01:51:25 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 08, 2015, 08:59:54 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/02bda49331262944f4833cadc476ff51/tumblr_nhux9ateMt1qgf1k2o1_400.png)

In which Tumblr actually gets offended by an empty box.

... I'm not sure they're wrong?

I mean, the cartoon makes the point that a lot of humour is transgressive in some way, and that's valid. But taken literally, it says that all humour must necessarily be transgressive, which is, y'know, not true. I'm not saying you should take it literally, because it's damn cartoon and all, but still.

And yeah, they frame it as the latest battle ground in the great struggle between marginalised groups and oppressors, but that's Tumblr for you.  That's the only way they know how to say something's bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 09, 2015, 02:10:53 am
Quote from: Random Guy on January 09, 2015, 12:13:24 am
I...uh...guh...WHAT?

Do these people even know what words mean anymore?
Troll
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 09, 2015, 09:37:01 am
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2i6zyxf.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 09, 2015, 03:42:18 pm
Adding the word "cis" doesn't hide your sexism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 09, 2015, 04:33:52 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 08, 2015, 08:59:54 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/02bda49331262944f4833cadc476ff51/tumblr_nhux9ateMt1qgf1k2o1_400.png)

In which Tumblr actually gets offended by an empty box.

They're not wrong though.  Like Sigma said, it's not like taking pot shots at a minority is nothing new for these folks.  The fact is, the paper that got hit wasn't a satirical newspaper fighting the good fight but a rag who hadn't seen a line they didn't want to dance over Gangnam Style.

Ironbite-it's not offense it's pointing out how stupid a white box is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 09, 2015, 08:09:16 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 09, 2015, 04:33:52 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 08, 2015, 08:59:54 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/02bda49331262944f4833cadc476ff51/tumblr_nhux9ateMt1qgf1k2o1_400.png)

In which Tumblr actually gets offended by an empty box.

They're not wrong though.  Like Sigma said, it's not like taking pot shots at a minority is nothing new for these folks.  The fact is, the paper that got hit wasn't a satirical newspaper fighting the good fight but a rag who hadn't seen a line they didn't want to dance over Gangnam Style.

Ironbite-it's not offense it's pointing out how stupid a white box is.
Bingo.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 10, 2015, 01:08:18 am
Yeah, I agree with the Tumblr comments on this one. The cartoonist is whining that they basically can't make ANY jokes without mocking some kind of marginalized group. Charlie Hebdo isn't exactly biting satire; it's viciously anti-religious and advocates Islamophobia under the guise of "satire" and "free speech".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 10, 2015, 02:09:46 am
Is anti-religious somehow a bad thing, now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 10, 2015, 04:15:32 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 10, 2015, 02:09:46 am
Is anti-religious somehow a bad thing, now?

I can't remember, were you a Ricky Gervais fan?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 10, 2015, 04:36:44 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 10, 2015, 04:15:32 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 10, 2015, 02:09:46 am
Is anti-religious somehow a bad thing, now?

I can't remember, were you a Ricky Gervais fan?

He's not exactly my favourite comedian of all time, but he does have his moments.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 10, 2015, 10:40:49 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/xfzxqc.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on January 10, 2015, 10:42:51 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 10, 2015, 10:40:49 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/xfzxqc.jpg)

You're not a deer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on January 10, 2015, 05:43:47 pm
She is attention starved and wants us to fawn over her.  ;)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 10, 2015, 06:21:57 pm
Wonder what happens when it's "rutting" season for her.

Ironbite-does she go up to random people and rub her ass on them?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 10, 2015, 07:37:49 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 10, 2015, 06:21:57 pm
Wonder what happens when it's "rutting" season for her.

Ironbite-does she go up to random people and rub her ass on them?

Isn't that what dance clubs and/or twerking are for?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 11, 2015, 03:38:53 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 10, 2015, 07:37:49 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 10, 2015, 06:21:57 pm
Wonder what happens when it's "rutting" season for her.

Ironbite-does she go up to random people and rub her ass on them?

Isn't that what dance clubs and/or twerking are for?

If that's the case, I'm going to the wrong clubs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 11, 2015, 04:12:55 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2z9cpeg.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 11, 2015, 04:42:05 pm
I'm gonna regret this but...

*clicks view the post*

Ironbite-I FUCKING KNEW IT!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 11, 2015, 06:18:57 pm
Now this is just irritating. Can you really not think of a response that doesn't involve loudly screaming how much you hate UP?

It may have been funny once or twice, but not when its every other thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 11, 2015, 06:32:06 pm
except he's not, Niam.  Ibby's obviously pissed off at what he posted, because frankly, that kind of idiocy pissed ME off too!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 11, 2015, 07:00:29 pm
"Always and never #GamerGate are words we don't use. They only depress us and leave us confused."

(apologies to Gilda Radner's memory)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 11, 2015, 08:40:21 pm
What the fuck is it about this movement that brings about the fucking stupid in everyone involved?  Just god fucking damn it.

Ironbite-I really really really hate Zoey Quinn's ex fucktard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 11, 2015, 08:57:25 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 11, 2015, 08:40:21 pm
What the fuck is it about this movement that brings about the fucking stupid in everyone involved?  Just god fucking damn it.

Ironbite-I really really really hate Zoey Quinn's ex fucktard.

Really, this isn't about GamerGate.  That's entirely incidental.  It's about the part where the radflake claims evidence is oppression.

But maybe I should've known you'd react that way.  If that's the way you think, I'm gonna write a fanfic about you falling in love with Vivian James.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on January 11, 2015, 10:24:54 pm
I should write a slash lemon fic about you two...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 11, 2015, 10:41:14 pm
Beat you to it.

I actually wrote it. Now...should I post it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on January 11, 2015, 11:18:33 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on January 11, 2015, 10:41:14 pm
Beat you to it.

I actually wrote it. Now...should I post it?

Of course.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 11, 2015, 11:31:09 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on January 11, 2015, 10:41:14 pm
Beat you to it.

I actually wrote it. Now...should I post it?
Dear god, yes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 11, 2015, 11:47:54 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on January 11, 2015, 10:41:14 pm
Beat you to it.

I actually wrote it. Now...should I post it?
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/0a4a1c534059ae967d62397283becf47/tumblr_n5hbbhVPuw1szowq7o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 11, 2015, 11:54:35 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on January 11, 2015, 10:41:14 pm
Beat you to it.

I actually wrote it. Now...should I post it?
Please.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 12, 2015, 01:16:28 am
You all asked for it. Remember that.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on January 12, 2015, 09:24:44 am
Quote from: niam2023 on January 12, 2015, 01:16:28 am
You all asked for it. Remember that.

(click to show/hide)

(http://global3.memecdn.com/aww-yeah-on-a-t-rex_o_264205.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on January 12, 2015, 10:38:06 am
Quote from: niam2023 on January 12, 2015, 01:16:28 am
You all asked for it. Remember that.

(click to show/hide)

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on January 12, 2015, 12:34:08 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on January 12, 2015, 01:16:28 am
You all asked for it. Remember that.

(click to show/hide)

This is why I love you guys! (Also nice work.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 12, 2015, 04:20:40 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQvB6OjHOU
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on January 12, 2015, 06:01:06 pm
Since I'm a pigheaded bitch, I 100% agree with Ibbles on this. Paragon has posted quite a few images in this thread that have had questionable statements made by people clearly against gamergate, while being unable to concede any bad elements within gamergate. He is clearly posting those images in this thread to skew opinions against those people that don't support gamergate, while using "worst of SJ" as a pretext. After a certain number of posts, you begin to see that he has an agenda.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 12, 2015, 07:29:06 pm
Let me be perfectly frank on this issue.  I understand that both sides of Gamergate, both pro and con, have a case of the stupid.  I, at least, can admit that.  UP can't.  He also can't acknowledge that this whole bleeding mess came about because of a harassment campaign on the part of Ms. Quinn's ex-boytard because he felt the best way from getting back at her for daring to break up with him was to ruin her life.  This has since evolved into the thing we affectionately call Goobergate.  There was a 58 page thread on this that is locked because we can't get past the brick wall that surrounds UP's head.  That is all I will say on that!

However I must also point out that UP does have a tendency to pick up on any SJWs who happen to be acting stupid.  There is a pattern there and one I think I've also pointed out in the past and will continue to do so.  He has a very anti-SJW stance that's fine and dandy as long as he's just going after the SJWs.  Because, and let's face it, SJWs are stupid.  Social Justice Advocates, on the other hand, are not stupid.  They are actually fighting for actual change rather then the right for some 14 year old white girl to claim she's a 4000 year old Japanese Princess with anime eyes and we should all treat her as such.

Oh and as for the video I posted?  That's for all of you.

Ironbite-and I will break you.  I have flight benefits.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 12, 2015, 07:44:43 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on January 12, 2015, 06:01:06 pm
Since I'm a pigheaded bitch, I 100% agree with Ibbles on this. Paragon has posted quite a few images in this thread that have had questionable statements made by people clearly against gamergate, while being unable to concede any bad elements within gamergate. He is clearly posting those images in this thread to skew opinions against those people that don't support gamergate, while using "worst of SJ" as a pretext. After a certain number of posts, you begin to see that he has an agenda.

I can concede the bad stuff.  I acknowledge the fact that there are some misogynists in GamerGate.

And "agenda"?  Honestly?  If I wanted to restart the GamerGate discussion, I'd send a message to the admin.

Quote from: ironbite on January 12, 2015, 07:29:06 pm
Let me be perfectly frank on this issue.  I understand that both sides of Gamergate, both pro and con, have a case of the stupid.  I, at least, can admit that.  UP can't.  He also can't acknowledge that this whole bleeding mess came about because of a harassment campaign on the part of Ms. Quinn's ex-boytard because he felt the best way from getting back at her for daring to break up with him was to ruin her life.

"Harassment campaign"?  Seriously?  I will admit that Zoe Quinn probably got harassed by some assholes, but at no point did Eron encourage anybody to harass her. 

Also:

(http://libraries.ecolint.ch/chasec/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/02.jpg)

That's not how GamerGate started.  It was started by the blatant collusion between the journalists.  Look at all the "gamers are dead" articles that sprouted up within days of each other.  Not to mention their efforts to bury the story, which only drew more attention to it, as well as exposing some of Zoe's dirty laundry.

Actually, that's not what really started it.  That was just the straw that broke the camel's back.  What really started it was the corruption, the collusion, the agenda-pushing, the censorship.  You might as well be asking "why is there all this controversy about some guys breaking into a hotel?"

And I love your demonization of Eron.  Really, he's the victim here.

Quote from: ironbite on January 12, 2015, 07:29:06 pm
This has since evolved into the thing we affectionately call Goobergate.  There was a 58 page thread on this that is locked because we can't get past the brick wall that surrounds UP's head.  That is all I will say on that!

DARVO.

Quote from: ironbite on January 12, 2015, 07:29:06 pm
However I must also point out that UP does have a tendency to pick up on any SJWs who happen to be acting stupid.  There is a pattern there and one I think I've also pointed out in the past and will continue to do so.  He has a very anti-SJW stance that's fine and dandy as long as he's just going after the SJWs.  Because, and let's face it, SJWs are stupid.  Social Justice Advocates, on the other hand, are not stupid.  They are actually fighting for actual change rather then the right for some 14 year old white girl to claim she's a 4000 year old Japanese Princess with anime eyes and we should all treat her as such.

I have no problem with decent Social Justice Advocates.  I'm just against radflakes.

Also, if you can acknowledge that there's both good and bad in Social Justice, why can't you do the same for GamerGate?

Quote from: ironbite on January 12, 2015, 07:29:06 pm
Oh and as for the video I posted?  That's for all of you.

Ironbite-and I will break you.  I have flight benefits.

Oh, so it's okay to threaten me.  Hypocrite.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 12, 2015, 07:46:03 pm
Here we go again.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 12, 2015, 07:48:11 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 12, 2015, 07:46:03 pm
Here we go again.

That's exactly what I was thinking when Ironbite started his little temper tantrum.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 12, 2015, 07:58:13 pm
Also would like to make this perfectly clear to Man Who Is Being Ignored Forever, I'm not debating this here or in any other thread.  It's dead.  Leave it alone.

Ironbite-I know I am.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 12, 2015, 08:01:49 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 12, 2015, 07:58:13 pm
Also would like to make this perfectly clear to Man Who Is Being Ignored Forever, I'm not debating this here or in any other thread.  It's dead.  Leave it alone.

Ironbite-I know I am.

Really?  Well, that's news to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 12, 2015, 08:19:54 pm
*sighs* I'll open the bar...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 12, 2015, 09:06:29 pm
Well, might as well stick my dick in the beehive and say that I agree with Niam. Ibs' obsession with Paragon is really wearing a little thin. Yes, that post was FuckwitGate related, but nonetheless it still is a perfectly valid addition to Worst of Social Justice, since the message was "evidence is an oppressive tool of the white cis male heterosexual overlords". That's exactly the kind of stupidity this thread is for, whether it's said in a FuckwitGate argument or otherwise.

Honestly, I'm getting rather fed up with hearing about how Ironbite hates Paragon and has him on Ignore almost every time he posts. The Ignore feature is there so you can, you know, ignore someone you don't like. What you're doing, Ibby, is the exact opposite of that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 12, 2015, 09:10:10 pm
again with this bull? this is so boring i'm starting to contemplate using all caps to bitch both guys out. you guys are a fine example for this thread. this is truly a worst of social justice when two forumites (due to some raging hate-on) pull off flame-war necromancy every thread they're in together.

also, art is right. i don't use it, but the ignore button is exactly what it says on the tin. ah, screw it, i'll do it.

MOVE ON ALREADY!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on January 12, 2015, 09:20:31 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 12, 2015, 07:29:06 pm
Let me be perfectly frank on this issue.  I understand that both sides of Gamergate, both pro and con, have a case of the stupid.  I, at least, can admit that.  UP can't.  He also can't acknowledge that this whole bleeding mess came about because of a harassment campaign on the part of Ms. Quinn's ex-boytard because he felt the best way from getting back at her for daring to break up with him was to ruin her life.
I tried to swear off this topic, but I must intervene here: That's completely false. Quinn's ex NEVER started a "harassment campaign". Her interactions with game journalists wasn't even the focus of his original post. He documented her cheating, emotional abuse, and manipulation of him, and called her out for it. For example, when confronted about her lies, she threatened to commit suicide to gain his compliance. That is the behavior of a domestic abuser. I've steered clear of the conversation about games journalism lately, but I won't be quiet when an abuse victim gets slandered for speaking out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 12, 2015, 10:34:38 pm
I swear, all I need to do is paint tiny little flashcards with a waifu Vivian James effigy and everyone's at one another's throats on demand.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 12, 2015, 10:37:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTAAsCNK7RA
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 12, 2015, 10:47:07 pm
Do I need to write a sequel to my Ironbite/Ultie Slash?

Is that what this forum needs!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 12, 2015, 10:48:14 pm
YES.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 12, 2015, 10:52:57 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on January 12, 2015, 10:47:07 pm
Do I need to write a sequel to my Ironbite/Ultie Slash?

Is that what this forum needs!?
Careful which "Ultie" you're talking about, Niam. Ibby's a fine piece of mechanical ass but I'm just not on the market right now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on January 12, 2015, 11:03:41 pm
The phrase fine piece of mechanical ass gave me a boner.
Seriously.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on January 12, 2015, 11:12:35 pm
I was actually gonna try writing a full length fic about those two. Then I realized I don't know much about writing gay erotica, or erotica involving reptiles, robotic or otherwise...

Magus, get in here. I need your help with something. Hof, you too. You know what comically badly written gay erotic fan fics are like right? I can do bad erotic fiction, but otherwise I'm out of my element. I'll do my best to incorporate a Retrograde Wheelbarrow in it somewhere. (Or as I have called it before, handstand anal sex.)

Also, Niam, for some reason your string of onomatopoeias in that fic made me have the most unusual visual image. Paragon and Ibby are both personified as their avatars, that knight and a robot dinosaur respectively. The are standing across from each other, both holding their comically over sized six foot dicks, waving them back and forth and slapping them together. While doing this both are endlessly shouting "OOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 12, 2015, 11:57:44 pm
The sequel will be full length.

Ten pages, each progressively worse than the last, until finally they collapse into the Warp, and birth Slaanesh millennia too early.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on January 13, 2015, 12:06:57 am
Quote from: niam2023 on January 12, 2015, 11:57:44 pm
The sequel will be full length.

Ten pages, each progressively worse than the last, until finally they collapse into the Warp, and birth Slaanesh millennia too early.

This must happen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 13, 2015, 12:10:01 am
Quote from: dpareja on January 13, 2015, 12:06:57 am
Quote from: niam2023 on January 12, 2015, 11:57:44 pm
The sequel will be full length.

Ten pages, each progressively worse than the last, until finally they collapse into the Warp, and birth Slaanesh millennia too early.

This must happen.
(Lizards and reptiles often have multiple dicks.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on January 13, 2015, 12:11:30 am
You know, I've had a really crappy day from even before I got out of bed. I woke up in so much pain I was considering cutting appendages off and the day just got worse from there on out. I am emotionally exhausted and so I figured I would pop on for, what I hoped, would be a good and badly needed laugh. What do I find instead?

Fucking ironbite and UP having yet another hate-fuck and more fucking gamergate bullshit.

Look, I know my hands aren't clean when it comes to the drama llama poking his head in and spitting on us but for the love of crying baby cthulhu, give it a god damn rest!

Today has not been a good day for me in meatspace, I don't need drama droppings stinking up one of my exceedingly few online refuges.

Just knock it off. Please.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on January 13, 2015, 12:45:06 am
I just find it funny that its less about the post and more anout who posted it, even though it completely fits into this thread. You guys are strange
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 13, 2015, 02:32:35 am
Oh for fuck's sake.

IB and UP, you both have more than enough F&B threads about each other. Go use them.

Anyone who wants to talk about GamerGate: Don't. Just don't.

Anyone who thinks this is stupid: You're right, now stop contributing to it.

Anyone who wants to post slashfic of various forum members: clear it with them first. I did not expect I'd have to make a rule about this, but this is the world we live in.

Does that cover it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 13, 2015, 08:28:34 am
i just saw this on the news. 70 schools out of 64k in france had disturbances during the minute of silence to honor charlie hebdo. one kid in a class asked the teacher," so, are you for or against the attack on charlie hebdo?" i don't want to hear this kind of garbage anymore.

this goes to show you just how badly parents fail to educate children when they ask if terrorism is good or bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 13, 2015, 10:02:20 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/x5beyp.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 14, 2015, 06:57:31 am
Sounds like somebody just went full retard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 14, 2015, 12:14:00 pm
There's a point behind it, something I've seen more succinctly written elsewhere.

12 people are killed in a first world country, and more than 3 million people (including world leaders) march in solidarity. Meanwhile, literally millions are dying nearly non-stop in Africa. Boko Haram just wiped a village off the map, killing thousands. And there's barely more than a blip on the world news radar.

It's very apparent that when a first world country that's about 85% white has a tragedy, people care about it a hell of a lot more.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 14, 2015, 12:57:20 pm
Quote
It's very apparent that when a first world country that's about 85% white has a tragedy, people care about it a hell of a lot more.

Absolutely true, but I'm not sure the relevant variable here is "85% white". I think it's just "first world". I expect people care about as little for horrible things in mostly-white third world countries, too.

It's the joker principle:  shootings in a first world country look anomalous ('not part of the plan'), people dying in the third world is accepted as business as usual. You don't hold a march of solidarity for business as usual, among other reasons because you'd be marching in solidarity 24/7. You do it for the anomalous events where you think a march might actually make a difference, or at least a statement.

I don't endorse this view, I just describe it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 15, 2015, 06:21:18 am
It goes all the way back to when we were livin in caves.  We care about OUR tribe first and foremost.  You're lucky if we're even peripherally aware of people outside our tribe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 15, 2015, 06:34:38 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 15, 2015, 06:21:18 am
It goes all the way back to when we were livin in caves.  We care about OUR tribe first and foremost.  You're lucky if we're even peripherally aware of people outside our tribe.

"Us" and "them" mentality.

At least "us" is slowly growing bigger than just your clan or hometown. Hopefully more people start caring about the entire human race.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on January 15, 2015, 08:07:44 am
Quote from: askold on January 15, 2015, 06:34:38 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 15, 2015, 06:21:18 am
It goes all the way back to when we were livin in caves.  We care about OUR tribe first and foremost.  You're lucky if we're even peripherally aware of people outside our tribe.

"Us" and "them" mentality.

At least "us" is slowly growing bigger than just your clan or hometown. Hopefully more people start caring about the entire human race.

Which won't happen until we meet sentient aliens, if this mentality is the driving force. We need a "them" before the human race can be considered "us."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on January 15, 2015, 08:58:17 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on January 13, 2015, 02:32:35 am
Anyone who wants to post slashfic of various forum members: clear it with them first. I did not expect I'd have to make a rule about this, but this is the world we live in.

You expect anything less from this forum? I'm surprised it took this long.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 15, 2015, 09:33:26 am
Quote from: Random Guy on January 15, 2015, 08:07:44 am
Quote from: askold on January 15, 2015, 06:34:38 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 15, 2015, 06:21:18 am
It goes all the way back to when we were livin in caves.  We care about OUR tribe first and foremost.  You're lucky if we're even peripherally aware of people outside our tribe.

"Us" and "them" mentality.

At least "us" is slowly growing bigger than just your clan or hometown. Hopefully more people start caring about the entire human race.

Which won't happen until we meet sentient aliens, if this mentality is the driving force. We need a "them" before the human race can be considered "us."

which basically explains how in halo space marines have no qualms about talking to different humans, despite language barriers and skin color.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 15, 2015, 02:50:27 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/mClpEAI.png)

The reason these things aren't free is because people have to work to provide them for us. There are farmers, water purification workers, electricians, engineers, oil field workers, etc. These people can't work for free.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on January 15, 2015, 03:14:01 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 15, 2015, 02:50:27 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/mClpEAI.png)

The reason these things aren't free is because people have to work to provide them for us. There are farmers, water purification workers, electricians, engineers, oil field workers, etc. These people can't work for free.

It's more complicated than that. For instance, here in the United States, there are more uninhabited homes than homeless people. Worldwide, we already produce enough food to feed 10 billion people. Capitalism does not solve the problem of distributing essentials effectively and, perhaps more importantly, automation ensures fewer and fewer people will have to work to produce these essentials.

You should take a look at solutions like basic income that directly address a post-employment society.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 15, 2015, 03:32:52 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 15, 2015, 02:50:27 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/mClpEAI.png)

The reason these things aren't free is because people have to work to provide them for us. There are farmers, water purification workers, electricians, engineers, oil field workers, etc. These people can't work for free.

All sorts of things are free that other people have to work for. We typically pay them through taxes (yes, technically that means we are still paying for them and so not "free", but the load can be distributed adequately throughout society). If we can have public schools, we can have public other stuff.

Obviously you need to consider everything case by case, like how do you deal with people who consume extraordinary amounts of electricity or such, but it's not ridiculous a priori to expand the "basic necessities" category to include more things.

Also, I'm with 'chew on basic income, but that's probably harder to implement directly that just free food.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 15, 2015, 07:03:33 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/289xu77.jpg)

Ah yes, because "criticism" often takes the form of mass murder.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 15, 2015, 10:11:44 pm
I wouldn't put it past Ian to support mass murderers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on January 17, 2015, 03:35:45 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on January 15, 2015, 08:58:17 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on January 13, 2015, 02:32:35 am
Anyone who wants to post slashfic of various forum members: clear it with them first. I did not expect I'd have to make a rule about this, but this is the world we live in.

You expect anything less from this forum? I'm surprised it took this long.

It's already far too late.

I ship MadChew.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 17, 2015, 05:06:02 am
Just MadChew? Hell, I ship ForumOrgy, which is exactly what it sounds like.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on January 17, 2015, 12:54:52 pm
...you guys are weird.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 17, 2015, 01:12:16 pm
So, wait. Is it me x Ironchew or Madcat x Ironchew?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 17, 2015, 04:41:59 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on January 17, 2015, 05:51:47 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 17, 2015, 01:12:16 pm
So, wait. Is it me x Ironchew or Madcat x Ironchew?

If we decide this by firing a photon at a phototube you could think of it as a superposition of both MadChews.

You won't know which one it is until you read it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2015, 09:05:56 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/896/079/3b1.png)

Here we see McIntosh defending extremists who terrorize people because of an opinion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 17, 2015, 09:21:25 pm
Social Justice Warriors are like Inquisitors - they are so utterly sure of their own righteousness, that everyone with a contradictory opinion, in their mind, becomes a monster. Simply for not being like them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on January 18, 2015, 12:11:58 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2015, 09:05:56 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/896/079/3b1.png)

Here we see McIntosh defending extremists who terrorize people because of an opinion.

I don't think someone saying that they don't want to defend Charlie Hebdo is simultaneously saying "I support the terrorists who killed their workers and creators."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 18, 2015, 12:18:00 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 18, 2015, 12:11:58 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2015, 09:05:56 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/896/079/3b1.png)

Here we see McIntosh defending extremists who terrorize people because of an opinion.

I don't think someone saying that they don't want to defend Charlie Hebdo is simultaneously saying "I support the terrorists who killed their workers and creators."

He's implying the victims deserved it.  Sounds like support to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on January 18, 2015, 12:31:10 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 18, 2015, 12:18:00 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 18, 2015, 12:11:58 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2015, 09:05:56 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/896/079/3b1.png)

Here we see McIntosh defending extremists who terrorize people because of an opinion.

I don't think someone saying that they don't want to defend Charlie Hebdo is simultaneously saying "I support the terrorists who killed their workers and creators."

He's implying the victims deserved it.  Sounds like support to me.

(http://i.imgur.com/Lbk8anO.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 18, 2015, 01:02:49 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 18, 2015, 12:18:00 am
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 18, 2015, 12:11:58 am
I don't think someone saying that they don't want to defend Charlie Hebdo is simultaneously saying "I support the terrorists who killed their workers and creators."

He's implying the victims deserved it.  Sounds like support to me.

How do you tell apart someone who is implying that the victims deserved it vs. someone who simply voices disagreement with something the victims did?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 18, 2015, 01:56:59 am
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/7290222c0bcc46046a1b0265464a1859/tumblr_nehzrpDLoS1u2ladwo1_1280.png)

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/07724b841720df48b44d60cbb358693e/tumblr_nehytjE5yi1u2ladwo1_1280.png)

(http://clevermusings.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/ow-mcintosh-beauty-standards.png)

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/a9e868c48f0be767f85012acf39d0a23/tumblr_ncov18xwyf1tkllyao1_500.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/je7rgNQ.png)

Never go full Mcintosh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 18, 2015, 12:38:55 pm
Is he really for real?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 18, 2015, 12:43:38 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on January 18, 2015, 12:38:55 pm
Is he really for real?

Probably? He's the producer for Anita Sarkeesian's Tropes vs Women in Video Games series. If he's a troll, he's under very deep cover.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 18, 2015, 12:46:40 pm
What's so awful about the third?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 18, 2015, 12:56:53 pm
Well, for one thing, it's factually wrong. I've seen quite a few women as side characters who weren't conventionally attractive, and if we're talking protagonists, I don't think I've ever seen an ugly or heavy protagonist where it wasn't played up as a massive joke against him.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 18, 2015, 01:11:09 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 18, 2015, 12:56:53 pm
Well, for one thing, it's factually wrong. I've seen quite a few women as side characters who weren't conventionally attractive, and if we're talking protagonists, I don't think I've ever seen an ugly or heavy protagonist where it wasn't played up as a massive joke against him.
Ok.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 18, 2015, 01:11:52 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 18, 2015, 01:11:09 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 18, 2015, 12:56:53 pm
Well, for one thing, it's factually wrong. I've seen quite a few women as side characters who weren't conventionally attractive, and if we're talking protagonists, I don't think I've ever seen an ugly or heavy protagonist where it wasn't played up as a massive joke against him.
Ok.

On an unrelated note, think it'll be okay if I eat popcorn before noon?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 18, 2015, 01:14:44 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 18, 2015, 01:11:52 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 18, 2015, 01:11:09 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 18, 2015, 12:56:53 pm
Well, for one thing, it's factually wrong. I've seen quite a few women as side characters who weren't conventionally attractive, and if we're talking protagonists, I don't think I've ever seen an ugly or heavy protagonist where it wasn't played up as a massive joke against him.
Ok.

On an unrelated note, think it'll be okay if I eat popcorn before noon?
Yes, it would be fine.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 18, 2015, 01:20:47 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 18, 2015, 12:46:40 pm
What's so awful about the third?

Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 18, 2015, 12:56:53 pm
Well, for one thing, it's factually wrong. I've seen quite a few women as side characters who weren't conventionally attractive, and if we're talking protagonists, I don't think I've ever seen an ugly or heavy protagonist where it wasn't played up as a massive joke against him.

Another issue with that statement comes when you consider video game protagonists that aren't human (or even humanoid).  Ms. Pac-Man, for example.

And then there's games like Mass Effect that let you choose what your character looks like.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 18, 2015, 01:21:52 pm
*Cough* Caroline Becker *Cough*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 18, 2015, 04:47:32 pm
Is McIntosh for real? is he an elaborate parody? or is he just trying to impress his friends?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 18, 2015, 05:00:54 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on January 18, 2015, 04:47:32 pm
Is McIntosh for real? is he an elaborate parody? or is he just trying to impress his friends?

I'm almost certain he's real.  He's been like this for YEARS.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 18, 2015, 07:09:56 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on January 18, 2015, 12:43:38 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on January 18, 2015, 12:38:55 pm
Is he really for real?

Probably? He's the producer for Anita Sarkeesian's Tropes vs Women in Video Games series. If he's a troll, he's under very deep cover.

He's also Anita Sarkeesian's boyfriend. So yeah, it's probably safe to assume that he is indeed for real.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on January 18, 2015, 07:46:20 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2015, 09:05:56 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/896/079/3b1.png)

Here we see McIntosh defending extremists who terrorize people because of an opinion.

I fail to see the issue at all. Could we get a bit more context?

Cause, at the moment, it's just a statement. Heck, not even a complete sentence of a statement. But, without context as to why he said it, we don't really know if he is defending extremists.

I mean, if the statement is in response to "do you think you're better than Charlie Hebdo," then it is a giant non-issue. If it is in response to something like "Did Charlie Hebdo deserve what it got," then it looks a little bad.

ETA: Sarkeesian's boyfriend... this just strengthens my believe that WSJ is a pretext to ridicule those against gamergate,.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 18, 2015, 08:02:56 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on January 18, 2015, 07:46:20 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2015, 09:05:56 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/896/079/3b1.png)

Here we see McIntosh defending extremists who terrorize people because of an opinion.

I fail to see the issue at all. Could we get a bit more context?

Cause, at the moment, it's just a statement. Heck, not even a complete sentence of a statement. But, without context as to why he said it, we don't really know if he is defending extremists.

I mean, if the statement is in response to "do you think you're better than Charlie Hebdo," then it is a giant non-issue. If it is in response to something like "Did Charlie Hebdo deserve what it got," then it looks a little bad.

ETA: Sarkeesian's boyfriend... this just strengthens my believe that WSJ is a pretext to ridicule those against gamergate,.

Personally it doesn't matter to me if it is. If people want to use WSJ as a pretext to ridicule, then I say let them. I am beyond caring about that internet hooplah now. What matters to me is that it is used even some of the time to talk about Social Justice Warrior nitwits.

The fact of the matter is that Jonathan is essentially saying that Charlie Hebdo deserved what they got for mocking Muslims, who he defines as most marginalized and vulnerable. To me and the law, it doesn't matter how marginalized and vulnerable you are. Nobody gets to control what people say, who says it, and what they use their free speech for.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 18, 2015, 08:04:47 pm
Is he really?  Cause it doesn't seem that way to me.  It seems to me he's saying that he uses his free speech in  a way that doesn't mock and deride some of the most defenseless parts of French society.  Or are you that unaware of how France treats Muslims?

Ironbite-because it ain't pretty.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 18, 2015, 08:08:42 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on January 18, 2015, 07:46:20 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 17, 2015, 09:05:56 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/896/079/3b1.png)

Here we see McIntosh defending extremists who terrorize people because of an opinion.

I fail to see the issue at all. Could we get a bit more context?

Cause, at the moment, it's just a statement. Heck, not even a complete sentence of a statement. But, without context as to why he said it, we don't really know if he is defending extremists.

I mean, if the statement is in response to "do you think you're better than Charlie Hebdo," then it is a giant non-issue. If it is in response to something like "Did Charlie Hebdo deserve what it got," then it looks a little bad.

ETA: Sarkeesian's boyfriend... this just strengthens my believe that WSJ is a pretext to ridicule those against gamergate,.

So, in essence:

We're supposed to shut up, because this thread isn't a hit piece.

God, and I thought WMDKitty was the perfect real-life straw man.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on January 18, 2015, 08:18:02 pm
Niam, I just have one question. Can you read?

Because right now, I'm scouring this image, and I don't see where he says they deserved a mass shooting. All I see is him saying that Charlie Hebdo "uses its free speech to mock and deride the most marginalized and vulnerable in society." That is the only factual assertion he makes in this image. And, at the very least, the fact that someone on here defending Hebdo says it prints some things that are "tasteless" strongly implies that there is some gray area from which McIntosh's factual assertion may be true.

Without knowing what the "because" was in reference too, we do not know if he is defending what happened to Charlie Hebdo.

For example, if the KKK is firebombed and someone asks me "Do you think the KKK are a group of good people?" and I respond with "no, because it uses its free speech to harass people." That is a non-issue entirely and I speak only to character of the group and not the terrorist act. If the question is "do you think the KKK deserved what it got?" and I say, "yes, because it uses its free speech to harass people," then I am defending the firebombing. Simple, no? This is why context matters, and I ask what the because relates to.

And don't tell me about law. I know the law a lot better than you do, son.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 18, 2015, 08:27:30 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 18, 2015, 01:20:47 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 18, 2015, 12:46:40 pm
What's so awful about the third?

Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 18, 2015, 12:56:53 pm
Well, for one thing, it's factually wrong. I've seen quite a few women as side characters who weren't conventionally attractive, and if we're talking protagonists, I don't think I've ever seen an ugly or heavy protagonist where it wasn't played up as a massive joke against him.

Another issue with that statement comes when you consider video game protagonists that aren't human (or even humanoid).  Ms. Pac-Man, for example.

And then there's games like Mass Effect that let you choose what your character looks like.
Well, either way, it's a bit jarring to see a mildly wrong statement alongside super-wrong ones.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 18, 2015, 09:05:14 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on January 18, 2015, 07:46:20 pm
ETA: Sarkeesian's boyfriend... this just strengthens my believe that WSJ is a pretext to ridicule those against gamergate,.
What exactly does that have to do with fuckwitgate? What, do they have a monopoly on criticising Sarkeesian, now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 18, 2015, 09:16:05 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on January 18, 2015, 08:18:02 pm
Niam, I just have one question. Can you read?

Because right now, I'm scouring this image, and I don't see where he says they deserved a mass shooting. All I see is him saying that Charlie Hebdo "uses its free speech to mock and deride the most marginalized and vulnerable in society." That is the only factual assertion he makes in this image. And, at the very least, the fact that someone on here defending Hebdo says it prints some things that are "tasteless" strongly implies that there is some gray area from which McIntosh's factual assertion may be true.

Without knowing what the "because" was in reference too, we do not know if he is defending what happened to Charlie Hebdo.

For example, if the KKK is firebombed and someone asks me "Do you think the KKK are a group of good people?" and I respond with "no, because it uses its free speech to harass people." That is a non-issue entirely and I speak only to character of the group and not the terrorist act. If the question is "do you think the KKK deserved what it got?" and I say, "yes, because it uses its free speech to harass people," then I am defending the firebombing. Simple, no? This is why context matters, and I ask what the because relates to.

And don't tell me about law. I know the law a lot better than you do, son.

I simply saw the implication that he was saying something of the kind.

I'll get to looking at what context the statement had.

And even if Hebdo said some tasteless things, no matter how disenfranchised the people are, they have no right to go on a massacre.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 18, 2015, 09:19:43 pm
Tasteless is putting it mildly of course.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 18, 2015, 10:04:41 pm
Here's one for Chewy. Seems PZ is up to his old routine.

(click to show/hide)

*Cough* Ogvorbis, the admitted serial child rapist who everybody on PZland loves and adores / spends their time apologizing for.*Cough*

But of course to PZ, everybody on the slymepit must be one of those sick twisted perverted hermasexuals rapists since they make him feel bad and criticize PZ's beliefs.

In reality, it's nothing of the sort. They can be slightly tasteless, but the Slymepit means mostly well. Anyway, away from dark shit like this and to amusing shit like this :

Now, Uncle Madman loves you all very much, kiddos. Now eat your unbaked tasteless hard tack like MEN!!

http://freeculture.org/about/license/ (http://freeculture.org/about/license/)

Behold the SJW equivalent of creative commons. Amusingly, either half of the site is broken or has missing images.

Quote
We recognize that private ownership over media, ideas, and technology is rooted in European conceptions of property and the history of colonialism from which they formed. These systems of privatization and monopolization, namely copyright and patent law, enforce the systems of punishment and reward which benefit a privileged minority at the cost of others’ creative expression, political discourse, and cultural survival. The private and public institutions, legal frameworks, and social values which uphold these systems are inseparable from broader forms of oppression. Indigenous people, people of color, queer people, trans people, and women are particularly exploited for their creative and cultural resources while hardly receiving any of the personal gains or legal protections for their work.

TLDR: Copyright is of the Great Satan.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 18, 2015, 11:36:09 pm
Madman, I have no clue what you just said.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on January 19, 2015, 12:08:12 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on January 18, 2015, 09:16:05 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on January 18, 2015, 08:18:02 pm
Niam, I just have one question. Can you read?

Because right now, I'm scouring this image, and I don't see where he says they deserved a mass shooting. All I see is him saying that Charlie Hebdo "uses its free speech to mock and deride the most marginalized and vulnerable in society." That is the only factual assertion he makes in this image. And, at the very least, the fact that someone on here defending Hebdo says it prints some things that are "tasteless" strongly implies that there is some gray area from which McIntosh's factual assertion may be true.

Without knowing what the "because" was in reference too, we do not know if he is defending what happened to Charlie Hebdo.

For example, if the KKK is firebombed and someone asks me "Do you think the KKK are a group of good people?" and I respond with "no, because it uses its free speech to harass people." That is a non-issue entirely and I speak only to character of the group and not the terrorist act. If the question is "do you think the KKK deserved what it got?" and I say, "yes, because it uses its free speech to harass people," then I am defending the firebombing. Simple, no? This is why context matters, and I ask what the because relates to.

And don't tell me about law. I know the law a lot better than you do, son.

I simply saw the implication that he was saying something of the kind.

I'll get to looking at what context the statement had.

I looked it up, there is no context. All that there is is the four corners of that image. All he is saying is that "I am not Charlie Hebdo BECAUSE they use their free speech [offensively]." A direct mention to Charlie Hebdo's character and no mention at all to the massacre. It is a quite the intellectual dishonesty to say he supports this massacre because he doesn't think the victim is a perfect, squeaky-clean organization.

Quote from: niam2023 on January 18, 2015, 09:16:05 pm
And even if Hebdo said some tasteless things, no matter how disenfranchised the people are, they have no right to go on a massacre.

Since you want to say you know a bit about law, I would suggest you look up the rules of criminal procedure and the rules of evidence. If you were to do that, you'd learn rather quickly we look at each person's individual bad acts in isolation to speak to their moral culpability. Therefore, Hebdo can be a tasteless and offensive magazine and those that caused the massacre can be wrong in their actions. No one is saying the culpability for the two separate incidences are one-to-one, only that Charlie Hebdo is wrong for publicizing offensive material.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on January 19, 2015, 01:19:06 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on January 19, 2015, 01:16:03 pm
Quote
Every tear a man has shed over a woman can be traced back to how he was personally affected by the loss of that woman’s utility—the woman herself is a distant second at best.

Not all men...!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 19, 2015, 04:17:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/NTo8Kbi.png)

*Shits bricks.*

Seriously, I can't tell which is more terrifying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 19, 2015, 04:51:54 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 19, 2015, 04:17:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/NTo8Kbi.png)

*Shits bricks.*

Seriously, I can't tell which is more terrifying.

i should take offense to this (being psychotic), but instead, i'll just feel pity for the idiot thinking about feeling fail-idated.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 19, 2015, 09:43:43 pm
The person has half a point: there is a difference between having violent thoughts and/or urges and acting on them.  However, such a distinction is probably oppression of some sort.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 19, 2015, 09:58:33 pm
Damn it, Vade. Quit making me want to Google Stalk your circle of asshats.

(http://oi62.tinypic.com/30jr4nm.jpg)

"I'm not feeling very boy today".

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/x360y1.jpg)

I don't even...

(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2lco8rc.jpg)

I quit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 19, 2015, 10:28:57 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 19, 2015, 04:17:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/NTo8Kbi.png)

*Shits bricks.*

Seriously, I can't tell which is more terrifying.
1 bucks says they don't actually have any mentall illness besides occasionally feeling agressive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 19, 2015, 10:54:39 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 19, 2015, 10:28:57 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 19, 2015, 04:17:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/NTo8Kbi.png)

*Shits bricks.*

Seriously, I can't tell which is more terrifying.
1 bucks says they don't actually have any mentall illness besides occasionally feeling agressive.

I'd personally armchair-diagnose Vade for ASPD, but nothing more.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 20, 2015, 12:57:17 am
They suffer from an advanced case of assburgers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 20, 2015, 04:49:45 pm
Quote
Quote
Anonymous I'm a male server (not that it means anything) is there anyway I can stop being an oppressor? Or anywhere I can start to help. I just stumbled onto Radical Feminism recently and agree with what I've seen.

1. No, there is no way you will ever stop being an oppressor as you are male and therefore part of an oppressive class. However, you can make conscious and dedicated efforts to be less misogynist and advocate for women.

2. Read, read, and read some more. Read about radical women’s experiences, our theories, etc. Read books by us. Read blogs by us. Visit radfem.org for some good, free resources on this subject. Remember: shut up and listen.

3. Listen some more. Do not speak over women, do not chide or debate with radical feminist women. Instead correct your fellow men. Listen to what we say and the problems we pose with men and masculinity. When you see men behaving in a misogynist way, advocate for women and correct their behavior.

4. Do not ever expect anything in return for this. Remember: you are not doing us a favor. You are merely being a decent human being by advocating for the class that you oppress, a class that suffers so you can be afforded privileges.

Does anyone want to add to this? Other mods and followers alike. If you have some other good tips, add them and  I will reblog them here.

-r4df3m

You can almost see her getting off on being able to tell this self-hating idiot that he has to shut his mouth and listen to everything she has to say.  I'm sure it's not often that people are actually eager to listen to her hateful opinions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 20, 2015, 06:38:38 pm
In this vaguely (and it chafes me to call this shit that) communist worldview, who are the intelligentsia of the radfem movement?

In addition, I looked up the quote author for context. Apparently, she's the anti-kink sort of radfem who thinks that BDSM is totes only male dominance gaiz. Oh, and this special bit of TERFism.

Quote
Gay dysphoric males still are part of the oppressive class that subordinates, enslaves, and oppresses females. Gay dysphoric males may feel harmed by gender, but they still benefit from it as gender is a hierarchy that grants power to males. Gay dysphoric males still have male privilege, they are still oppressors, they have still been socialized from birth to oppress women and they still have no right to demand our identities/access to our experiences. Just because you are gay and troubled by gender does not mean that you have a right to appropriate the identities and oppression of females.

Because in TERFland, transsexuality=OPPRESSION APPROPRIATION GAIZ. EHMErGERD THE VILE HERMAS ARE COMING TO KYRIARCH US!

I'd make fun of their bowel troubles, but that'd just be mean and puerile over something that's not at all in their control.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 20, 2015, 09:45:59 pm
Wonder what this dingus would think of one of my best friends.  Said friend? ex-dominatrix.  And she's both awesome and scary, and I wouldn't trade her for the world.  She'd probably think it was self-oppression or some bunk.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on January 20, 2015, 10:40:15 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on January 20, 2015, 09:45:59 pm
Wonder what this dingus would think of one of my best friends.  Said friend? ex-dominatrix.  And she's both awesome and scary, and I wouldn't trade her for the world.  She'd probably think it was self-oppression or some bunk.
I believe the term is internalised oppression, but yeah, that's the gist of it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 20, 2015, 11:42:53 pm
And while we're talking about transphobic RadFems:

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2rcr6l1.jpg)

For a little context:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/20/poster-claims-trans-women-rape-women-every-nine-minutes/ (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/20/poster-claims-trans-women-rape-women-every-nine-minutes/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 21, 2015, 01:05:20 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on January 20, 2015, 11:39:29 pm
Quote from: LeTipex on January 20, 2015, 10:40:15 pm
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on January 20, 2015, 09:45:59 pm
Wonder what this dingus would think of one of my best friends.  Said friend? ex-dominatrix.  And she's both awesome and scary, and I wouldn't trade her for the world.  She'd probably think it was self-oppression or some bunk.
I believe the term is internalised oppression, but yeah, that's the gist of it.

"Anti-kink," "anti-porn," and "anti-sex work" (a.k.a. SWERF) feminists are not necessarily TERFs. There is a large overlap, yes, but they are not, as a rule, transphobic. However, if a feminist fits one part of the "anti" triad, she probably falls into the other two categories as well.

Basically, anti-kink feminists believe that BDSM is always abusive because the submissive partner (who they always assume is a woman) can't really consent because her choices are constrained by the society in which she lives. Doms, on the other hand, are pure evil incarnate, abusive pimps taking advantage of women, and totally responsible for their actions. (Male subs, for some reason, are supposedly oppressing women by taking on a role submissive to a woman temporarily. Apparently this is offensive because women face sexism all the time, so men aren't allowed to simulate the opposite any of the time.)

Anti-porn and anti-sex work feminists tend to go together. They like citing charlatans like Shelley Lubben, who has been known to abuse and manipulate the women she "rescues," as well as other feminists who end up exploiting these women for lurid graphic stories of the porn industry. Like anti-vaxxers, they will call foul whenever their sources are debunked, claiming that it is further proof the "sex industry" is trying to suppress their message. (If I see one more gifset of Gail Dines explaining her horribly designed studies, or one more post circulating pseudoscientific bunk about how porn "rewires your brain," I'm gonna scream.) They ignore what actual porn actors and sex workers have to say, unless they conveniently say something they already agree with or can use to further their agenda. And - bizarrely - many of these feminists, who eagerly call out the police, criminal justice system, and government for their abuses and excessive oversight of citizens' private lives, seem totally fine with the same heightened scrutiny being applied to sex workers.

This is a good example of just some of the rhetorical bullshit Dines pulls out of her ass, for instance. (http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2014/04/10/gail-dines-short-on-facts-crap-figures/) Why people take this woman as a credible feminist figure is beyond me. Apparently feelings are substitutes for hard evidence for some people.
Now, make no mistake, the porn industry is extremely abusive and manipulative. I suppose a better comparison would be between swerfs and critics of Monsanto who cite "TEH GMOS!!" instead of the companies history of bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 21, 2015, 01:08:25 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 20, 2015, 11:42:53 pm
And while we're talking about transphobic RadFems:

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2rcr6l1.jpg)

For a little context:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/20/poster-claims-trans-women-rape-women-every-nine-minutes/ (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/20/poster-claims-trans-women-rape-women-every-nine-minutes/)
To be fair it says men including trans women rape real wymen or whatever.

That being said it's revolting the Trans people are often attacked by not only society at large but also LGB and feminist groups.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 21, 2015, 07:41:26 am
I think that Hermione was a well written character in Harry Potter and definitely a "strong female character" as well, something that not enough media has. ...But this interpretation of her as a... I am not sure what... Anti-Patriarchy crusader? This is just embarrassing:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/danieldalton/boss-witch#.erYPXEXJ6
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 21, 2015, 08:22:30 am
If Hermione were the Girl Who Lived, then...she wouldn't HAVE parents, and she'd likely be at least a half-blood instead of a Muggle-born.  Yes, Hermione has always struck me as a feminist character since she pursues the unladylike sport of being god damned intelligent, was raised in 80s-90s Britain (which may not be a feminist haven, but its a hell of a lot better than other options), and was basically forced into a world that seems to be stuck in at least the 19th century.  That image gallery (each picture only has about two sentences to 'em), however, is nothing more than moronic, click-bait bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 21, 2015, 08:37:39 am
Clickbait? On Buzzfeed!? Surely, you jest!

Though as I recall, Hermione was by far the most competent of the trio. Ron was a bumbling idiot, and Harry was a much luckier and slightly more competent bumbling idiot. More often than not, Hermoine was the only one who actually had her shit together.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 21, 2015, 08:39:19 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 21, 2015, 08:22:30 am
If Hermione were the Girl Who Lived, then...she wouldn't HAVE parents, and she'd likely be at least a half-blood instead of a Muggle-born.  Yes, Hermione has always struck me as a feminist character since she pursues the unladylike sport of being god damned intelligent, was raised in 80s-90s Britain (which may not be a feminist haven, but its a hell of a lot better than other options), and was basically forced into a world that seems to be stuck in at least the 19th century.  That image gallery (each picture only has about two sentences to 'em), however, is nothing more than moronic, click-bait bullshit.

Buzzfeed as usual, then?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 21, 2015, 08:44:49 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 21, 2015, 08:22:30 am
If Hermione were the Girl Who Lived, then...she wouldn't HAVE parents, and she'd likely be at least a half-blood instead of a Muggle-born.  Yes, Hermione has always struck me as a feminist character since she pursues the unladylike sport of being god damned intelligent, was raised in 80s-90s Britain (which may not be a feminist haven, but its a hell of a lot better than other options), and was basically forced into a world that seems to be stuck in at least the 19th century.  That image gallery (each picture only has about two sentences to 'em), however, is nothing more than moronic, click-bait bullshit.
If you read the thing (and survive the brain damage from it) you will notice that the writer did not imply that she was "The girl who lived" in this version Harry is just a stupid boy and needs Hermione to save the day from Patriarchy.

She also sets "bitches" on fire in her struggle against structural misogyny and apparently kills Draco. (Also Draco is making sexist comments at her and apparently flirting with her at the age of 11.)

That whole text is just a trainwreck but the commmenters considered it the best thing ever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 21, 2015, 10:43:43 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 21, 2015, 08:37:39 am
Though as I recall, Hermione was by far the most competent of the trio. Ron was a bumbling idiot, and Harry was a much luckier and slightly more competent bumbling idiot. More often than not, Hermoine was the only one who actually had her shit together.

This is why I like Hermione.  Ron had, like...three moments in the entire series where he was anywhere NEAR useful: the chess puzzle in Philosopher's Stone, saving Harry's dumb ass when he jumped into a fucking frozen lake to get a sword, and formulating the plan to get a basilisk fang from the Chamber of Secrets in Deathly Hallows.  Other than that, he's been completely, utterly fucking useless.  Hell, I think Rowling had the right idea when she wanted to kill off Ron...maybe give Neville a chance to be awesome then we could have BOTH boys of the prophecy working together to wreck Voldemort's shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 21, 2015, 10:50:39 am
Ron was also a racist for a good portion of the series.

Ironbite-what?  It's true.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 21, 2015, 11:43:12 am
And Hermione is a Mary Sue.



...If we agree that there are a few definitions and degrees of Mary Sue. She was written as a self insert and Rowling said herself that things like the awkwardness and acting like a miss know-it-all were things from her youth and she did them due to her family moving and being placed in a strange school where she had no friends. She also was not liked first due to her behaviour though she wanted to fit in. So, Hermione is a self insert certainly.

She does not have all the qualities of a Mary Sue (like being 100% perfect snowflake that everyone loves and adores, kinda like whatshername in Twilight.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 21, 2015, 11:58:17 am
You mean Bella "I hate all my mortal friends" Swann?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 21, 2015, 12:06:57 pm
No he means Bella "I shouldn't have any blood after meeting Edward" Swann.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 21, 2015, 12:10:37 pm
Bella "KISS ME CONTROLLING PAEDOWOLF" Swann?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on January 21, 2015, 01:36:26 pm
That thing's pretty hilarious in its own idiotic way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 21, 2015, 03:02:50 pm
Quote from: askold on January 21, 2015, 11:43:12 am
And Hermione is a Mary Sue.



...If we agree that there are a few definitions and degrees of Mary Sue. She was written as a self insert and Rowling said herself that things like the awkwardness and acting like a miss know-it-all were things from her youth and she did them due to her family moving and being placed in a strange school where she had no friends. She also was not liked first due to her behaviour though she wanted to fit in. So, Hermione is a self insert certainly.

She does not have all the qualities of a Mary Sue (like being 100% perfect snowflake that everyone loves and adores, kinda like whatshername in Twilight.)

Yeah, self-insertion does not a Mary Sue make.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 21, 2015, 03:18:32 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 21, 2015, 03:02:50 pm
Quote from: askold on January 21, 2015, 11:43:12 am
And Hermione is a Mary Sue.



...If we agree that there are a few definitions and degrees of Mary Sue. She was written as a self insert and Rowling said herself that things like the awkwardness and acting like a miss know-it-all were things from her youth and she did them due to her family moving and being placed in a strange school where she had no friends. She also was not liked first due to her behaviour though she wanted to fit in. So, Hermione is a self insert certainly.

She does not have all the qualities of a Mary Sue (like being 100% perfect snowflake that everyone loves and adores, kinda like whatshername in Twilight.)

Yeah, self-insertion does not a Mary Sue make.
Like I said, depends on whose definition you go by. Plenty of people complain that any "self insert" is a Mary Sue.

Or that any "snowflake" character in a rpg is a Mary Sue.

Or that any character that they do not like is a Mary Sue.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on January 21, 2015, 03:58:06 pm
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/329de9d94fd2dc18804b3557645bd4a5/tumblr_n8hdhmD0lb1sindfko1_400.png)

This could also probably qualify as Fandumb.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 21, 2015, 04:43:53 pm
These headcanons continue to utterly annoy me.

Why do I get the feeling this person is yet another fangirl who thinks "I can cure that psychopath with MAI LURV!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 21, 2015, 05:28:11 pm
So, uh, would an aromantic bisexual sociopath see everyone around them as a potential fuck buddy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 21, 2015, 06:04:48 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 21, 2015, 05:28:11 pm
So, uh, would an aromantic bisexual sociopath see everyone around them as a potential fuck buddy?

no, as a victim. duh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 22, 2015, 12:41:57 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on January 21, 2015, 03:58:06 pm
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/329de9d94fd2dc18804b3557645bd4a5/tumblr_n8hdhmD0lb1sindfko1_400.png)

This could also probably qualify as Fandumb.

Headcanons seem like a harmless hobby, to be honest.

Like, at some point we have to make a distinction between "horrible things SJ people say" and "things I don't like about tumblr".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 22, 2015, 01:44:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/F3IR7eP.png)

A dude held the door open for me today. PATRIARCY!! [triggering intensifies]

(http://i.imgur.com/wlr92xG.png)

I don't think it works that way.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 22, 2015, 06:09:21 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 22, 2015, 01:44:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/F3IR7eP.png)

A dude held the door open for me today. PATRIARCY!! [triggering intensifies]

(http://i.imgur.com/wlr92xG.png)

I don't think it works that way.

to the first. you can't help some people, even out of kindness of your own heart.

to the second. yeah, transmales are soooooooooooo more privileged than ciswomen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 22, 2015, 08:07:30 am
Quote from: ironbite on January 21, 2015, 10:50:39 am
Ron was also a racist for a good portion of the series.

Ironbite-what?  It's true.

At least that is halfway understandable since almost all of his society is racist, product of his environment and all that.  What I find most annoying about him is that he never, ONCE shows any signs of gaining any maturity.  Hermione and, to a somewhat lesser extent, Harry both actually bother with growing up thru the course of the series; Ron seems to be perpetually stuck at around 13 years-old or so.  On a quest with your friends to find and kill the phylacteries of Liche Hitler?  Clearly, you should storm off in a huff and leave them behind enemy lines to fend for themselves.  Ron's the kind of guy that wears weed leaf T-shirts into their 30s and never moves out of his mother's basement.

Also, would Voldemort count as a liche?  I mean, he was technically killed when his curse backfired on him, he has at least one phylactery that guards part of his soul, so it really comes down to whether or not he counts as undead...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 22, 2015, 11:31:41 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 22, 2015, 01:44:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/F3IR7eP.png)

A dude held the door open for me today. PATRIARCY!! [triggering intensifies]

(http://i.imgur.com/wlr92xG.png)

I don't think it works that way.
Can't read the first but I reckon there is a good chance of it being a troll.
The second is disgusting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 22, 2015, 01:01:03 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 22, 2015, 11:31:41 am
Can't read the first but I reckon there is a good chance of it being a troll.
The second is disgusting.

i actually know "feminists" like this kind of girl. and i use the term loosely. because i try and be chivalrous in day-to-day life, i got called patriarchal. nevermind that it's good manners, she just wouldn't get it and said i needed to be deprogrammed of my macho brainwashing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 22, 2015, 05:18:45 pm
Quote from: guizonde on January 22, 2015, 01:01:03 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 22, 2015, 11:31:41 am
Can't read the first but I reckon there is a good chance of it being a troll.
The second is disgusting.

i actually know "feminists" like this kind of girl. and i use the term loosely. because i try and be chivalrous in day-to-day life, i got called patriarchal. nevermind that it's good manners, she just wouldn't get it and said i needed to be deprogrammed of my macho brainwashing.

I open the door for everybody coming out it at the same time when I'm leaving a building, it's just force of habit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 22, 2015, 05:22:45 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 22, 2015, 05:18:45 pm
Quote from: guizonde on January 22, 2015, 01:01:03 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on January 22, 2015, 11:31:41 am
Can't read the first but I reckon there is a good chance of it being a troll.
The second is disgusting.

i actually know "feminists" like this kind of girl. and i use the term loosely. because i try and be chivalrous in day-to-day life, i got called patriarchal. nevermind that it's good manners, she just wouldn't get it and said i needed to be deprogrammed of my macho brainwashing.

I open the door for everybody coming out it at the same time when I'm leaving a building, it's just force of habit.

So do I.  It's just a polite thing to do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 22, 2015, 06:18:21 pm
Yep, me too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 22, 2015, 08:54:06 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on January 22, 2015, 01:44:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/wlr92xG.png)
How the fuck does someone spend any time in SJ tumblr and somehow not pick up "don't misgender trans people" as a social norm?

Like I would think that was part of the introductory package or something. "Feminism is good, racism is bad, we don't like homophobes, we treat trans people by their chosen gender"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 22, 2015, 09:47:45 pm
I'd also like to add that putting "white" in front of trans does not erase your trans phobia.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 22, 2015, 10:29:17 pm
Say, what's that kid that Bill Murray experimented on in the Royal Tenenbaums doing nowadays other than writing for Exalted?

(http://i.imgur.com/uXvFyM6.jpg)

Hahaha that kidder Stephen, he's such a comedic geni- Oh wow. He's not joking, and this makes me really sad for some reason.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on January 23, 2015, 01:01:13 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 22, 2015, 10:29:17 pm
Say, what's that kid that Bill Murray experimented on in the Royal Tenenbaums doing nowadays other than writing for Exalted?

(http://i.imgur.com/uXvFyM6.jpg)

Hahaha that kidder Stephen, he's such a comedic geni- Oh wow. He's not joking, and this makes me really sad for some reason.
That's... not so bad... I mean, he isn't saying "never ever get inspired by other cultures" as much as "be careful when you do". There's a fair bit of "white guilt" there, which is frankly not always a good thing, but appart from that...

I think I remember that thread, it ended up being pretty interesting too...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 23, 2015, 09:01:49 am
Quote from: LeTipex on January 23, 2015, 01:01:13 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 22, 2015, 10:29:17 pm
Say, what's that kid that Bill Murray experimented on in the Royal Tenenbaums doing nowadays other than writing for Exalted?

(http://i.imgur.com/uXvFyM6.jpg)

Hahaha that kidder Stephen, he's such a comedic geni- Oh wow. He's not joking, and this makes me really sad for some reason.
That's... not so bad... I mean, he isn't saying "never ever get inspired by other cultures" as much as "be careful when you do". There's a fair bit of "white guilt" there, which is frankly not always a good thing, but apart from that...

I think I remember that thread, it ended up being pretty interesting too...

Number 5 just stuck out to me as less of a bad thing than him trying to reconcile his line of work with the vaguely segregationalist SJW bullshit, and then ultimately failing due to the sheer cognitive dissonance inherent in such a action.

It's more "this is what this bullshit does to creative freedom" than saying he was bad for saying these things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on January 23, 2015, 09:23:18 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 23, 2015, 09:01:49 am
Quote from: LeTipex on January 23, 2015, 01:01:13 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 22, 2015, 10:29:17 pm
Say, what's that kid that Bill Murray experimented on in the Royal Tenenbaums doing nowadays other than writing for Exalted?

(http://i.imgur.com/uXvFyM6.jpg)

Hahaha that kidder Stephen, he's such a comedic geni- Oh wow. He's not joking, and this makes me really sad for some reason.
That's... not so bad... I mean, he isn't saying "never ever get inspired by other cultures" as much as "be careful when you do". There's a fair bit of "white guilt" there, which is frankly not always a good thing, but apart from that...

I think I remember that thread, it ended up being pretty interesting too...

Number 5 just stuck out to me as less of a bad thing than him trying to reconcile his line of work with the vaguely segregationalist SJW bullshit, and then ultimately failing due to the sheer cognitive dissonance inherent in such a action.

It's more "this is what this bullshit does to creative freedom" than saying he was bad for saying these things.
I don't know. While I'm the first to agree that cultural appropriation in the (as you put it so eloquently) "vaguely segregationalist SJW bullshit" way is stupid beyond belief, there's an argument to be made that when you do art that is inspired by other cultures, you have to be careful.

Like, if somebody goes to me saying "you're wearing a gi and doing martial arts, that's cultural appropriation, you're a horrible person and you should feel bad!" I'm gonna laugh all my way to the dojo.

But when someone says "you know, having white people start to play jazz a few y ears after it became popular in the african-american community was a problem, because suddently those who invented that music didn't see a penny of worth from it because due to racial bias, most white artists were paid a lot more than black artists, thus in essense robing the african american community of one of their discoveries", I'm gonna have to agree on that.

When it comes to monetizing things that other cultures inspired, you should at least take a minute to ask yourself what the repercutions are going to be. Of course, refusing to use those sources of inspiration results in erasure, which is a worst problem in many ways, so there's also that to take into account.

(Granted, I don't think a rpg like Exalted is going to have huge issues with that : as much as I like it, it's so much of a niche market as to be nonexistent, and so the question is moot, but hey, whatcha gonna do...)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 23, 2015, 12:04:59 pm
Thing is, it sounds to me like he's saying that there Is no way to do it right. He outright says he believes there is no ethical way to develop a game based on a culture other than your own. I can't agree with that sentiment. That sounds wrong to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2015, 12:12:40 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/346ajyh.jpg)

Actually, transmen are people who have gone from female to male; if anything, they're the gender traitors abandoning proud womynhood.

That moment when the TERF can't even keep her own hateful rhetoric straight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 23, 2015, 12:29:21 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2015, 12:12:40 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/346ajyh.jpg)

Actually, transmen are people who have gone from female to male; if anything, they're the gender traitors abandoning proud womynhood.

That moment when the TERF can't even keep her own hateful rhetoric straight.

by that logic, shouldn't the hashtag read "misandry" and not "misogyny"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 23, 2015, 12:45:36 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2015, 12:12:40 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/346ajyh.jpg)

Actually, transmen are people who have gone from female to male; if anything, they're the gender traitors abandoning proud womynhood.

That moment when the TERF can't even keep her own hateful rhetoric straight.

Actually, they are keeping their rhetoric straight; in TERF-land, "trans man" means trans woman (for the obvious reasons). So this is just standard TERF transmisogyny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on January 23, 2015, 02:52:35 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 23, 2015, 12:04:59 pm
Thing is, it sounds to me like he's saying that there Is no way to do it right. He outright says he believes there is no ethical way to develop a game based on a culture other than your own. I can't agree with that sentiment. That sounds wrong to me.
He's saying there might be no way to do it right. To be fair, I won't go as far as he does (as I said, that way lies erasure and compartimentalisation, and that's a big no-no), but he does raise valid points.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 23, 2015, 02:55:02 pm
That's how all bad Tumblr social justice works. They raise valid points and then take them to the point of absurdity. You see it from things like transethnicity to cultural appropriation to bunself genders.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on January 23, 2015, 06:03:39 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 23, 2015, 02:55:02 pm
That's how all bad Tumblr social justice works. They raise valid points and then take them to the point of absurdity. You see it from things like transethnicity to cultural appropriation to bunself genders.
Fair enough, I guess ^^
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2015, 11:22:20 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/r8rx4i.jpg)

I could be wrong, but I doubt there are a lot of trans actresses.  And even if there are, something tells me most of them are in their twenties and thirties.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 24, 2015, 04:31:31 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/gLolYs7.png)

No, Vade. Just, no.

So in other news, ADF has a new tumblr (Non-safe for life, and work with all the BDSM stuff) at http://diosa-latina-de-misandria.tumblr.com/.

Quote
-- ahuviya harel - 29 y.o., mtf transqueer, they/them/she/her gender pronouns, mixed latina/white, disabled. slave regisration number 960-254-083

Alright, not bad.

*Sees "Slave registration" number*

Nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope-
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 24, 2015, 08:55:29 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/316nhqv.jpg)

"Mental race"?  That's a race she lost.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 24, 2015, 09:05:30 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 24, 2015, 08:55:29 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/316nhqv.jpg)

"Mental race"?  That's a race she lost.

mental racism, now with 38 different fruity flavors of wrongness. the perfect breakfast cereal!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 24, 2015, 09:10:17 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 24, 2015, 04:31:31 pm
So in other news, ADF has a new tumblr (Non-safe for life, and work with all the BDSM stuff) at http://diosa-latina-de-misandria.tumblr.com/.

Quote
-- ahuviya harel - 29 y.o., mtf transqueer, they/them/she/her gender pronouns, mixed latina/white, disabled. slave regisration number 960-254-083

Alright, not bad.

*Sees "Slave registration" number*

Nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope-
I'm just mad about the shitty autoplay music.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 24, 2015, 09:10:29 pm
Mental...race?

Ironbite-oh gods the stupid burns.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 24, 2015, 09:18:00 pm
I had a mental race with myself once. It ended with a compound fracture in my wrist from falling down the stairs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on January 24, 2015, 09:39:26 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 24, 2015, 08:55:29 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/316nhqv.jpg)

"Mental race"?  That's a race she lost.

WHAT? WHAT? UMM WHAT THE FUCK HOW DOES THAT EVEN ISDFKJCGKLSDFGLKWERHLGBNVLKBNJSDLRNBVLCN V;NSRDFLVSDBJNVLILVNBASXCLV BSL ;XFV KL P; K FV PO NP;  GFMNF KJ BWERBVKJ
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on January 24, 2015, 09:43:32 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 24, 2015, 08:55:29 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/316nhqv.jpg)

"Mental race"?  That's a race she lost.

I take it calling someone an Oreo has fallen out of favor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 24, 2015, 09:51:49 pm
Ah, calling someone a category traitor...classic tumblrina - if you don't tow the line, you're with the oppressors, and we will burn you for your heresy.

I say we lock this person and good ol' Fading Light in a room and listen in.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 24, 2015, 10:17:05 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 24, 2015, 08:55:29 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/316nhqv.jpg)

"Mental race"?  That's a race she lost.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbQVaupPS80
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 24, 2015, 10:31:01 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 24, 2015, 08:55:29 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/316nhqv.jpg)

"Mental race"?  That's a race she lost.
I think the last one is mocking OP.
(Hopefully)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 25, 2015, 02:01:35 am
So according to Tumblr, "white" is synonymous with not being a drooling retard. Gotta love horseshoe theory.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 25, 2015, 10:22:24 pm
http://holyanddivine.lefora.com/forums/65/Introductions/Introductions#.VMWbhdJ4roY (http://holyanddivine.lefora.com/forums/65/Introductions/Introductions#.VMWbhdJ4roY)

Alright, everyone. You can go home now, because I've found it. You know, the motherlode of divine community crazy. I'm almost tempted to infiltrate, just to see how much I can milk from the udder of madness that now lies before your eyes.

Kids these days.

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hello! my name is rowan and i'm an agender goddex as well as a witch. i prefer they/them pronouns but i'm okay with pretty much anything that isn't she/her or he/him.

ah where to start. i started with one very large soul and i broke off lil pieces to go inhabit bodies in all sorts of places to learn about them. i found this body when it was young but i forget the exact age. i didn't completely take over til a little while ago and mostly observed to learn basics for how to live as a human while the original soul of the body tried to operate as usual. it's gone now bc i grew too much i guess. i have shared memories with two, uh, selves in alternate realities. one of them [alt] i'm sort of sharing a soul with and i need to merge with them eventually to be whole again but w/e. the other one [nerd] idk why i have shared memories with.

i'm not sure what my exact purpose is as a goddex, if i have one. i know of a goddess that is the goddess of the universe pretty much and i refer to her simply as the goddess, she's kind of above me and i vaguely worship her and ask her for assistance and whatever else. i don't really know about other deities.

as i said before i identify as a witch and i practice witchcraft. i'm also fictionkin with crona gorgon and homura akemi but that prooobably won't come up much or at all here tbh.

i'm really into pokemon, madoka magica, and soul eater. and that's about all i can think of to say right now, hopefully i'll remember to stay sort of active here?? i'm excited to have a private place to talk about things but i'm really bad at remembering to come on forums RIP me. oh and my tumblr url is psychotic-crona ye

Seriously, fucking goldmine.

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Something I've been struggling with a lot the more angelic I feel is I end up becoming disgusted with all of corporeal existence and my body's functions? Everything is just bizarre and gross and it's really distressing and intense. I know a lot of other beings have expressed that they feel the same kind of dysphoria. Has anyone figured out any possible ways to cope with this sort of thing?

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so i have one headmate frederick who's a prophet and i can just feel him screaming to tell people what he hears but he has s o much trouble communicating with me beyond simple one or two word sentences, normally we have to jump through hoops and practically play 20 questions tohave a conversation and it just hurts to see him like this, especially since none of my headmates have ever reallt fronted? god idk idk if anyone else has this problem or not just. venting?
at one point he did get across that his God was coming and he would bring the end,and then i had one night where i had some vvery interesting hallucinations and im fairly certain that was his God attempting to communicate with me so i wonder if i can get Him to talk to me again?

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 25, 2015, 11:52:39 pm
I am tempted to join, and simply slightly alter things the villain of American Horror Story Freakshow said, to "fit in".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 26, 2015, 07:45:50 am
Quote from: niam2023 on January 25, 2015, 11:52:39 pm
I am tempted to join, and simply slightly alter things the villain of American Horror Story Freakshow said, to "fit in".

Mordrake or Twisty?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 26, 2015, 08:03:08 am
I wonder how many of these people have legitimate psychiatric problems and how many are just jumping on a bandwagon that makes them feel powerful and unique. Then again, I wonder if this is a bandwagon that you can jump on without having some form of mental illness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 26, 2015, 05:08:40 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 26, 2015, 07:45:50 am
Quote from: niam2023 on January 25, 2015, 11:52:39 pm
I am tempted to join, and simply slightly alter things the villain of American Horror Story Freakshow said, to "fit in".

Mordrake or Twisty?

Mott. Because 1) Dandy claims at one point to be, ahem, divine. 2) he's hilariously quotable. 3) it'll test how aware these idiots are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 26, 2015, 05:35:53 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/oHJsF8d.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 26, 2015, 05:43:28 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 26, 2015, 05:35:53 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/oHJsF8d.jpg)

those idiots won't shave my neatly trimmed nottingham. i don't care about their legs as much as about my beard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 26, 2015, 06:16:10 pm
never mind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 26, 2015, 06:31:53 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 26, 2015, 05:35:53 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/oHJsF8d.jpg)

Facial/Body hair looks way better on men than women, tho. Just gonna have to deal with it, lady.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on January 26, 2015, 09:09:21 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on January 26, 2015, 06:31:53 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 26, 2015, 05:35:53 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/oHJsF8d.jpg)

Facial/Body hair looks way better on men than women, tho. Just gonna have to deal with it, lady.
They didn't try to say otherwise. (They're still stupid for the nonsense about "beard culture" and whutno.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 26, 2015, 09:16:14 pm
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Headmates

Because some poeple want to take that word and what it means away from us.

Apparently, it sounds too much like we’re a bunch of friends.

Friends? Seriously, you have no idea! These people are not mere friends, they are so much more! I trust them with my life every single day, I have to. They saved my life countless times, I don’t even know most about this, because they also save me from those memories. I almost died for them and they would have done the same for me. We have been through hell together, and we got out together. And we’re going through recovery together, too, which is no walk in the park either.

None of us, no one, could have survived on their own, much less get out or build a life worth living afterwards.

But that’s what we’re doing together.

And if Harry, Ron and Hermione become friends because they faced a troll together – let me tell you, we faced so much worse!

This stuff creates strong bonds. We are more than friends, more than family.

And I don’t even know most of them personally!

And yeah I would probably hate some of them and we don’t always get along and many wish they had their own bodies, their own lives, it gets frustrating and everything. But we’re in this together and I for one am incredibly glad to have them! I’d be dead without them, or if alive, a total pityable mess unable to live, wishing to be dead (I’ve been there).

So yeah, these are my headmates and I love them deeply.

This is my perspective. I know some others in here, my headmates, would disagree. Some of my own headmates want me and people like me gone. I still want them here.

– Jess, 17

Utter insanity.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/d939718a00e50b3abea1ba3ef6a29df0/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio1_1280.png)

...Just when I thought things could not get more insane.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 26, 2015, 09:23:15 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 26, 2015, 05:35:53 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/oHJsF8d.jpg)

Counterproposal: everyone can do whatever the fuck they want with their body hair. Does that work for everyone?



Scenario: Society punishes you for something, while celebrating when other people do equivalent behaviour.

Reaction 1: You start spreading your own memes where your behaviour is the one that is celebrated and that of other people is condemned. Pros: Revenge! I mean, justice. Justice is what I meant. Cons: Creates unnecessary enemies, is massively hypocritical.

Reaction 2: You highlight the double standard and demand equal treatment for everyone. Pros: Win-win situation, creates allies, gives you the moral high ground, you are not being a massive hypocrite. Cons: No sweet revenge high.

This is not hard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 26, 2015, 09:33:14 pm
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niam, kudos to you. how do you sift through such nonsense while remaining sane? please know that somewhere, perhaps thousands of miles out from you, i'm applauding you out loud for doing this. meanwhile, i'll be testing the limits of my fragile sanity outside of the tumblrsphere. you'll remain a beacon for me to follow whenever i go off the deep end.

... i probably should move somewhere far away from vineyards, but hey, free heartfelt compliments.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 27, 2015, 03:08:47 pm
Easily - I just mentally mock and envision myself confronting these people.

Its rather fun.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/e913b3ad647a18688e5901e0b5c57741/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio2_1280.png)

No. You're crazy.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/29492de363689678db35fa265fa42696/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio3_500.png)

Divided between thinking these people are just mentally ill attention hogs or actually so mentally fractured they belong in an asylum.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/37d8bd39baf4f3c60fffc19b6a6856c2/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio4_1280.png)

NO.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/ce005790d5183f5ab12ba31df6d2bc5a/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio5_1280.png)

NO NO NO You fucking special snowflakes.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/4f1e7de3eca452020370eb1669b9eab1/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio9_500.png)

I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 27, 2015, 07:00:57 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on January 27, 2015, 03:08:47 pm
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/4f1e7de3eca452020370eb1669b9eab1/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio9_500.png)

Get the fuck off the internet and get daddy another beer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 27, 2015, 07:19:50 pm
Bigender.  The fuck is bigender?

Ironbite-fucking Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 27, 2015, 09:11:45 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2qn4n.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 27, 2015, 10:09:46 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 27, 2015, 09:11:45 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2qn4n.jpg)

Reproduce without the cisscum, eh?

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 27, 2015, 10:15:52 pm
That's not how it works and you know that!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on January 27, 2015, 10:24:14 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 27, 2015, 10:15:52 pm
That's not how it works and you know that!

funny enough, one of my Twitch streaming buddies just started playing Alien: Isolation tonight...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 27, 2015, 10:50:25 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 27, 2015, 10:15:52 pm
That's not how it works and you know that!

It isn't?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on January 27, 2015, 11:33:11 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 27, 2015, 10:09:46 pm
Reproduce without the cisscum, eh?

I did post a possibly-relevant video earlier (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=4663.msg260828#msg260828).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on January 27, 2015, 11:41:11 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 27, 2015, 10:09:46 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 27, 2015, 09:11:45 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2qn4n.jpg)

Reproduce without the cisscum, eh?

(click to show/hide)

*cis cum*

FTFY
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on January 28, 2015, 12:01:05 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 27, 2015, 10:09:46 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 27, 2015, 09:11:45 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2qn4n.jpg)

Reproduce without the cisscum, eh?

(click to show/hide)

...mitosis?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 28, 2015, 07:06:15 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on January 27, 2015, 11:41:11 pm

*cis cum*

FTFY

yeah baby
(http://i.imgur.com/pnHPaTv.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 28, 2015, 08:51:53 am
(http://i.gyazo.com/63307edfb3d32b9f72202b5908072125.png)

Wow. I suppose somebody is triggered by Star Wars, then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on January 28, 2015, 10:12:51 am
Quote from: ironbite on January 27, 2015, 07:19:50 pm
Bigender.  The fuck is bigender?

Ironbite-fucking Tumblr.

Actually, it is legitimate and is recognized by the American Psychological Association.

Also, transsexuals can reproduce... it's not that difficult.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 28, 2015, 10:16:46 am
I for one am not "terrified" at the idea of trans people having sex with other trans people. I'm honestly not sure where she gets this idea... probably somewhere in her own mind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 28, 2015, 05:50:25 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on January 27, 2015, 03:08:47 pm
Easily - I just mentally mock and envision myself confronting these people.

Its rather fun.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/e913b3ad647a18688e5901e0b5c57741/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio2_1280.png)

No. You're crazy.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/29492de363689678db35fa265fa42696/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio3_500.png)

Divided between thinking these people are just mentally ill attention hogs or actually so mentally fractured they belong in an asylum.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/37d8bd39baf4f3c60fffc19b6a6856c2/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio4_1280.png)

NO.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/ce005790d5183f5ab12ba31df6d2bc5a/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio5_1280.png)

NO NO NO You fucking special snowflakes.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/4f1e7de3eca452020370eb1669b9eab1/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio9_500.png)

I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=822AWVTdLHs

I knew I would get a chance to use this eventually.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on January 28, 2015, 07:24:12 pm
I knew I had forgotten something, I had meant to comment on this:

Quote from: niam2023 on January 27, 2015, 03:08:47 pm

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/ce005790d5183f5ab12ba31df6d2bc5a/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio5_1280.png)


Oy, you say your part of a clan, voting for Tigerstar for leader, and I see not one fucking mention of a cat on your kintypes list. Second, as I seem to recall, Tigerstar having the name Tigerstar means he's already a clan leader last I checked. Third, fuck Tigerstar, he has no business being a clan leader. He should go play around on the Thunderpath.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on January 28, 2015, 07:54:16 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on January 28, 2015, 07:24:12 pm
I knew I had forgotten something, I had meant to comment on this:

Quote from: niam2023 on January 27, 2015, 03:08:47 pm

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/ce005790d5183f5ab12ba31df6d2bc5a/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio5_1280.png)


Oy, you say your part of a clan, voting for Tigerstar for leader, and I see not one fucking mention of a cat on your kintypes list. Second, as I seem to recall, Tigerstar having the name Tigerstar means he's already a clan leader last I checked. Third, fuck Tigerstar, he has no business being a clan leader. He should go play around on the Thunderpath.

It actually does have 'domestic cat', though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on January 28, 2015, 08:10:42 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on January 28, 2015, 07:54:16 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on January 28, 2015, 07:24:12 pm
I knew I had forgotten something, I had meant to comment on this:

Quote from: niam2023 on January 27, 2015, 03:08:47 pm

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/ce005790d5183f5ab12ba31df6d2bc5a/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio5_1280.png)


Oy, you say your part of a clan, voting for Tigerstar for leader, and I see not one fucking mention of a cat on your kintypes list. Second, as I seem to recall, Tigerstar having the name Tigerstar means he's already a clan leader last I checked. Third, fuck Tigerstar, he has no business being a clan leader. He should go play around on the Thunderpath.

It actually does have 'domestic cat', though.

Somehow I didn't see that. I retract the first point but the other two points still stand.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 28, 2015, 08:31:11 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 28, 2015, 10:16:46 am
I for one am not "terrified" at the idea of trans people having sex with other trans people. I'm honestly not sure where she gets this idea... probably somewhere in her own mind.
Or perhaps Meatspin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 29, 2015, 10:39:29 am
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I figure if these Tumblr radflakes ever do ever get organized enough to actually attempt a genocide, we'd have to upper hand as they've documented all their fears and triggers online.  Tumblr is sort of a how-to manual on shutting these idiots down.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on January 29, 2015, 10:52:25 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 29, 2015, 10:39:29 am
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I figure if these Tumblr radflakes ever do ever get organized enough to actually attempt a genocide, we'd have to upper hand as they've documented all their fears and triggers online.  Tumblr is sort of a how-to manual on shutting these idiots down.

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if you think about it... We don't need cishets. At all.

(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/youre_serious_futurama.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on January 29, 2015, 11:11:39 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 29, 2015, 10:39:29 am
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I figure if these Tumblr radflakes ever do ever get organized enough to actually attempt a genocide, we'd have to upper hand as they've documented all their fears and triggers online.  Tumblr is sort of a how-to manual on shutting these idiots down.

that and they're what? .5% of the global population? i'm reminded of this gif while reading these posts
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OJSVNTXSUPw/UoqIF2VTVXI/AAAAAAAAPD4/smFqsGsF-pI/s1600/internet-reality.gif)

it's a bandwagon at this stage, besides they're so hostile to anyone outside their treehouse club that they can't get new support. here's a list of all the people they hate.

cis hets
whites
men
women
believers
unbelievers
people who are not part of their fandom
people who don't identify the way they like
etc...

they make the westboro baptist church seem tolerant, for bacchus' sake!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on January 29, 2015, 05:24:40 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 28, 2015, 08:51:53 am
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Wow. I suppose somebody is triggered by Star Wars, then.

Not to mention that the whole point of an alternative universe is that things are diff- you know what, fuck it, it's futile.

Also, the Winter Soldier is hardly disabled. Or if he is, then I too want the good parking spaces and a metal arm.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 29, 2015, 05:52:18 pm
Quote from: Sixth Monarchist on January 29, 2015, 05:24:40 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 28, 2015, 08:51:53 am
(http://i.gyazo.com/63307edfb3d32b9f72202b5908072125.png)

Wow. I suppose somebody is triggered by Star Wars, then.

Not to mention that the whole point of an alternative universe is that things are diff- you know what, fuck it, it's futile.

Also, the Winter Soldier is hardly disabled. Or if he is, then I too want the good parking spaces and a metal arm.

I want that sick disc-launching MK 13, personally.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 30, 2015, 03:46:58 am
Quote from: Sixth Monarchist on January 29, 2015, 05:24:40 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on January 28, 2015, 08:51:53 am
(http://i.gyazo.com/63307edfb3d32b9f72202b5908072125.png)

Wow. I suppose somebody is triggered by Star Wars, then.

Not to mention that the whole point of an alternative universe is that things are diff- you know what, fuck it, it's futile.

Also, the Winter Soldier is hardly disabled. Or if he is, then I too want the good parking spaces and a metal arm.

I think their point is that he would be disabled without the cybernetic arm. And if you are a disabled person seeing a superhero who can still be a hero despite being disabled is kinda nice. The Winter soldier might not be the best example, but the point still stands. Hounsou who played a part in Guardians of the Galaxy mentions that his own son said he wanted to have a light skin because Spiderman is light skinned and he wants to be like his hero, so finding a role model (wether a hero in a movie, comic book or a novel) that you can associate yourself with yourself is kinda important to some fans (particularly to kids.)

And that is why it is a good thing to have comic book heroes who aren't just another white guy (because there are enough of those already) or are disabled or otherwise represent a more diverse group.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on January 30, 2015, 08:10:58 am
Type in Mallory merk into tumblr. You won't be disappointed
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 30, 2015, 09:21:45 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/eg5vo2.jpg)

Okay guys, let's play the game where we replace "men" with a minority group and see if it sounds like a Stormfront post!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on January 30, 2015, 11:26:49 am
Is this from AROOOOOOOO?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 30, 2015, 11:47:57 am
Quote from: rookie on January 30, 2015, 11:26:49 am
Is this from AROOOOOOOO?

Who's that?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on January 30, 2015, 01:15:36 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 30, 2015, 11:47:57 am
Quote from: rookie on January 30, 2015, 11:26:49 am
Is this from AROOOOOOOO?

Who's that?

A Room Of Our Own, a radfem site that's been quoted on FSTDT a few times.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on January 30, 2015, 01:25:49 pm
It's been my experience that hatred never really leads to any favorable outcome.   

Kinda why it's generally considered a negative emotion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 30, 2015, 09:27:01 pm
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/6f4ed0cc85760fe2585946d293e1e71a/tumblr_niugle7MvI1u00qgto1_400.png)

You calling me a nerd you daydreaming fuckface?

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/42f04e72d47f8eb12a23640cf6c82fb0/tumblr_nips45thWP1u00qgto1_540.png)

Your headcanons do not matter. No one cares if you think Korra is a girl or an anteater-kin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 30, 2015, 09:39:24 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on January 30, 2015, 09:27:01 pm
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/6f4ed0cc85760fe2585946d293e1e71a/tumblr_niugle7MvI1u00qgto1_400.png)

You calling me a nerd you daydreaming fuckface?
As a coalkin, this post commits the worst possible crime any human being can commit. It offends me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 31, 2015, 01:02:07 am
Quote from: niam2023 on January 30, 2015, 09:27:01 pm
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/6f4ed0cc85760fe2585946d293e1e71a/tumblr_niugle7MvI1u00qgto1_400.png)

In other words: "Yay ingroup! Boo outgroup!"

(to be fair, like 80-90% of all political discourse is the same thing, only they are slightly more subtle about it)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 31, 2015, 02:55:29 pm
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I hate men. Yes, I am a feminist. No, not all feminists hate men. But at this point in my life I have begun to wonder why any woman with half a brain would NOT hate men. It is perhaps testament to the amazing moral superiority of women that most women do not hate men in spite of the tortures men inflict upon them, their children, and each other. Or perhaps it is a reason why feminism has not succeeded. Perhaps in order for women to stop being chattel under the bootheels of cruel, stupid men, they will have to learn to hate men at least a little.


This journal will consist of a list of good reasons to hate men.

I will grant the naysayers this - that the actions which make men, as a class, hateable, are not engaged in or supported, even passively, by all men. In other words, there are probably a few good men out there, who really do not condone in any way, shape or form, any of the following:

Rape
Murder
War
Environmental destruction for the sake of “jobs”
Wife beating
Girlfriend beating
Porn
BDSM
Street harassment of women
Forced veiling of women
Incest
Statutory rape
Forced pregnancy and birth
Giving fetii more rights than the women in whose bodies they are growing

But I haven’t personally met any. I’ve heard of a precious few via their writings in print and online. Less than ten. Out of thousands of men I have met in my life, I can count the “good” ones on one hand. And what I listed above as a description of “good” is, for me, not even “good” but just “not bad”, as in “not evil and unempathetic”.
Every man I have had personal interactions with supports at least 2-3 of the above things, or engages in them.

Every single one.

That is, in and of itself, enough to make any sensible woman want to run away to join an Amazonian cult. Alas, I am not able to do so. But I can bitch about how much I hate men on LJ.
And you know, for a start, maybe that’s enough. Men have such fragile and pathetic little egos that even though they enjoy almost complete and total world domination, they are awfully threatened by women speaking up for themselves even a little bit. This is why even the most timid feminist woman saying “perhaps maybe you guys should look at this particular instance of gross mistreatment of women and realize that it isn’t in the spirit of fair play” will get buried under a mountain of hate mail from offended penis owners who insist she must be a man-hater because she isn’t begging to suck their ugly cocks in overawed gratitude for their gracious gift of allowing her to continue breathing…

Get help.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on January 31, 2015, 05:14:26 pm
(http://36.media.tumblr.com/6099a1675965c5a87d4eae500b1d3bd3/tumblr_niqm58bLTJ1r8yigpo1_540.png)

I'll just leave this bullshit here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 31, 2015, 05:51:03 pm
Stop stealing shit off my tumblr.

Ironbite-I reblogged that awhile ago.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 01, 2015, 03:28:48 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/25a69h0.jpg)

Yeah, no.  Forget the history of soap for a moment, and the fact that the Celts were using it long before Islam was even a thing.  The title of the painting is "The Bath" by Jean-Léon Gérôme.  It depicts a woman from an Ottoman sultan's harem being washed by a servant.  Gérôme was well-known for these sorts of scenes, based on his travels throughout the Middle East and Bursa in Turkey in particular, where he was able to see and paint these particular harem bath-house scenes.  There's no "Moor" in this painting, and the servant girl is certainly not "showing the [harem girl] how to bathe".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on February 01, 2015, 03:31:37 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 01, 2015, 03:28:48 pm
*snip image*

Yeah, no.  Forget the history of soap for a moment, and the fact that the Celts were using it long before Islam was even a thing.  The title of the painting is "The Bath" by Jean-Léon Gérôme.  It depicts a woman from an Ottoman sultan's harem being washed by a servant.  Gérôme was well-known for these sorts of scenes, based on his travels throughout the Middle East and Bursa in Turkey in particular, where he was able to see and paint these particular harem bath-house scenes.  There's no "Moor" in this painting, and the servant girl is certainly not "showing the [harem girl] how to bathe".

(http://tumblr-argument-generator.lokaltog.net/static/img/inline/1.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 01, 2015, 03:33:29 pm
Quote from: dpareja on February 01, 2015, 03:31:37 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 01, 2015, 03:28:48 pm
*snip image*

Yeah, no.  Forget the history of soap for a moment, and the fact that the Celts were using it long before Islam was even a thing.  The title of the painting is "The Bath" by Jean-Léon Gérôme.  It depicts a woman from an Ottoman sultan's harem being washed by a servant.  Gérôme was well-known for these sorts of scenes, based on his travels throughout the Middle East and Bursa in Turkey in particular, where he was able to see and paint these particular harem bath-house scenes.  There's no "Moor" in this painting, and the servant girl is certainly not "showing the [harem girl] how to bathe".

(http://tumblr-argument-generator.lokaltog.net/static/img/inline/1.jpg)

Unless Gérôme was a eunuch, he did not ever see that scene, except in his romanticized imagination.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 01, 2015, 06:09:33 pm
Yeah gonna say there's no way any painter from Europe or even a court painter would have been able to get into the Harem bathing chambers in order to paint this scene.

Ironbite-he'd have been killed on the spot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Barbarella on February 01, 2015, 09:04:09 pm
I sometimes wonder if some of these people are simply trolls. Darn that pesky "Poe's Law"!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on February 01, 2015, 09:44:55 pm
Eh, can't say the Country Balls one upsets me (unless there's some secret message about Israel being a box). Modern Israel does use the holocaust as a shield from criticism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 01, 2015, 09:56:55 pm
Honestly, I don't see any real problems with the first one. It really does seem like Israel is allowed to get away with whatever terrorist actions they want by just holding up the word "Holocaust" as an excuse.

The second one is terrible, of course.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 01, 2015, 10:06:55 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on February 01, 2015, 09:44:55 pm
Eh, can't say the Country Balls one upsets me (unless there's some secret message about Israel being a box). Modern Israel does use the holocaust as a shield from criticism.

Yeah, I'm pretty on board with that. It's common for defenders of Israel's really shitty actions to simply bring up the history of antisemitism to shout down critics, as if being founded by members of an infamously abused religion excuses their harming of innocent people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 01, 2015, 10:57:19 pm
I think it's partly the context.  See, the Polandball cartoon itself isn't necessarily anti-Semitic, but when it's put in conjunction with the other shit, it can very easily be seen as more than a little questionable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 03, 2015, 01:37:56 am
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/1ef8dd2b0e761a424ccc1512c0feccec/tumblr_mqxpiziFCV1sdpus2o1_400.png)

...Wow.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on February 03, 2015, 02:08:35 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 03, 2015, 01:37:56 am
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/1ef8dd2b0e761a424ccc1512c0feccec/tumblr_mqxpiziFCV1sdpus2o1_400.png)

...Wow.

I've seen "transnigger", but "genderless" is a new one on me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 03, 2015, 04:10:15 am
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to do list:

    break a cis person’s fucking arm off

You are an extremely disturbing person, and you should consider getting help.

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transgirlnanami
Follow

all cis people smell like old sweaty tennis socks

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trans people are superior to cis people in every way

this is a fact

...wow. Does it hurt to be that deluded? Or do you just live entirely in your own fantasy world?

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being cis isn’t right

stop being cis

No. Because it triggers you.

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non-dysphoric agender transfemme, kitself

A lot of the quotes above come from this person. Witness their About Me. Witness...and despair.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/bcdb80f072cfb7e2a4ae57c51175ae75/tumblr_nisnheZgWj1u5mgqeo1_400.png)

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If you arent trans here are some issues you dont get to have a say in:

    Acceptable pronouns for trans people
    Which genders are real and which are not
    Defining characteristics of transness
    Whether or not a specific person is really trans
    Use of transphobic/transmisogynistic slurs within the trans community

These are INTRACOMMUNITY issues and cis people dont get to offer their opinions on them!

Here's what I'll do. I'll give my opinion anyway, regardless how many people tell me to stop. Because I don't give a fuck about you and your "rules of speech".

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when we say “men are horrible”,
when we say “white people are racist”,
when we say “cis people are scum”
when we say “heterosexuals are terrible”

you damn well know which people we’re talking about so don’t change the subject and make it about yourself

And you people...are garbage.

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something really gross:

    cis people as a whole are more okay with literal neo nazis than they are trans kids with uncommon pronouns
    let me repeat
    cis people are literally more okay with people who support the genocide of poc and Hitler than they are with trans minors who use nounself pronouns.
    if you dont see that that is fucked up please stand up, go out side, and slam your face into the nearest tree like object.


Citation Please.

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allies: *puts on “some people are gay” shirt*

allies: *draws a little rainbow on their cheek*

allies: *gets drunk at a pride parade*

lbgtqa: ugh

allies: what the fuck………we put our life on the line for you….and this is how you transvest- i mean transgendereds repay us

We truly are fiends, for enjoying ourselves.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/49d50f19c1ae7bf51983e6af5b768b17/tumblr_ncsgqwjFGY1tj93i1o1_1280.png)

Oh brother. Grow up.

Quote
people say “damn straight” because straightness is disappointing

And people say "you are a fucking idiot" because YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT.

Quote
*reads a book*
Everyone is queer and trans except this one shitty character I don’t like they can be a cishet man.

...wow.

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Reminder that the truscum/tucute debate is between trans people trying to define transness. This is not, and never will be, an issue that cis people have any sort of voice on whatsoever.

There cannot be “cis truscum” or “cis tucutes” as you are actively speaking over trans people by identifying as either. Your opinions on what being trans means is irrelevant. Your job as a cis person, if you want to be a trans ally, is to respect ALL trans people, and never question anyone’s transness.

And I'm still going to give my "voice" on the subject anyway. And if I think the person calling themselves Multiplicity Gender / Demiboygirl is being stupid, I'll call them stupid.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on February 03, 2015, 04:33:10 am
"[Cis people] are rich" HA! Right. Sure. Every last one of us. In fact, I have so much money, I'm worried about being homeless in ten months! Man, I bet no trans person in the whole fucking world has as much money as me!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on February 03, 2015, 07:46:26 am
Quote from: dpareja on February 03, 2015, 02:08:35 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 03, 2015, 01:37:56 am
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/1ef8dd2b0e761a424ccc1512c0feccec/tumblr_mqxpiziFCV1sdpus2o1_400.png)

...Wow.

I've seen "transnigger", but "genderless" is a new one on me.

You mean you've seen more than one person call themselves a "transnigger"? And these people are serious?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on February 03, 2015, 11:35:37 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on February 03, 2015, 07:46:26 am
Quote from: dpareja on February 03, 2015, 02:08:35 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 03, 2015, 01:37:56 am
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/1ef8dd2b0e761a424ccc1512c0feccec/tumblr_mqxpiziFCV1sdpus2o1_400.png)

...Wow.

I've seen "transnigger", but "genderless" is a new one on me.

You mean you've seen more than one person call themselves a "transnigger"? And these people are serious?

Can't speak to their seriousness, but yeah, I've seen "transnigger" before, with the same excuse given for saying "nigger"--that while they may be physically white, they're mentally black so it's okay for them to use the term.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 03, 2015, 04:13:45 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/HNn9V81.jpg)

Sounds like somebodies jealous of our blatant male supremacy :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 03, 2015, 04:47:07 pm
I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 03, 2015, 09:11:48 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/4nlky.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on February 03, 2015, 09:35:11 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on February 03, 2015, 04:13:45 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/HNn9V81.jpg)

Sounds like somebodies jealous of our blatant male supremacy :)

1. Male bees are necessary for the hive to reproduce.
2. New queens aren't produced by a drone mating with a worker bee. Drones don't mate with workers, they mate with the queen.
3. Bees don't have sex in like mammals do, and don't do it for pleasure the way only a hand full of mammals do.
4. You mean drone brood, not drone squad.
5. A beekeeper might remove drone brood before they hatch depending on what effect is desired. Leaving the drones could cause the hive to "swarm" or split in to two groups, one with the old queen and one with a new queen. This might be desired to create a new hive, or it not be desired if the beekeeper doesn't want another hive.
6. Drones don't overwork the worker bees. I cant even see where that idea comes from. The number of drones in a given hive is relatively small in relation to the entire hive population.

In four sentences I can point out six things that are blatantly bullshit. I don't see that density of stupid very often.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 03, 2015, 11:54:49 pm
Quote
*someone does something nice for someone*

white people: thanks man

brown people: Habibty, thank you so much. May you find happiness and love. May you live a long happy life and may your kids treat you well. May you graduate with the highest of honors and find a wonderful spouse. InshAllah ya qalbi, you never step on any legos and may your eyebrows always be on fleek.

I love how they accidentally made the "brown person" (seriously?) come off as utterly annoying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sixth Monarchist on February 04, 2015, 04:38:19 pm
Quote from: dpareja on February 03, 2015, 11:35:37 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on February 03, 2015, 07:46:26 am
Quote from: dpareja on February 03, 2015, 02:08:35 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 03, 2015, 01:37:56 am
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/1ef8dd2b0e761a424ccc1512c0feccec/tumblr_mqxpiziFCV1sdpus2o1_400.png)

...Wow.

I've seen "transnigger", but "genderless" is a new one on me.

You mean you've seen more than one person call themselves a "transnigger"? And these people are serious?

Can't speak to their seriousness, but yeah, I've seen "transnigger" before, with the same excuse given for saying "nigger"--that while they may be physically white, they're mentally black so it's okay for them to use the term.

Isn't the reclaimed version of the word supposed to end in an "a"? I'm pretty sure the -er form of the word is offensive regardless.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 04, 2015, 07:03:44 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/UvbBZwk.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 04, 2015, 07:59:20 pm
These kinds won't be happy until they're legally allowed to marry their headmates.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 05, 2015, 12:11:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/vYzOS6Z.png)

Fuck you too Cathy.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on February 05, 2015, 12:46:03 am
(http://i.imgur.com/9n01X1S.jpg)

I hope so...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 05, 2015, 12:51:24 am
Um, yeah, I think so.

...Who'd be stupid enough to want that crappy future?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 05, 2015, 12:54:30 am
But I don't want the earth to be reduced to some giant unlivable trash heap.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 05, 2015, 01:13:43 am
Quote from: Kat S. on February 05, 2015, 12:46:03 am
(http://i.imgur.com/9n01X1S.jpg)

I hope so...
Plot twist: the person is just a fat fetisist
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 05, 2015, 01:15:47 am
That makes that statement about 200% creepier.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on February 05, 2015, 02:49:20 am
Lizard. I hope you are proud.
Quote from: niam2023 on February 05, 2015, 01:15:47 am
That makes that statement about 200% creepier.
See, this is what you do when you comment on a topic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 05, 2015, 03:05:58 am
I wouldn't mind that future. Not having to do anything besides eat, drink, sleep, fuck and watch TV/play video games/whatever else seems like a pretty swell existence.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 05, 2015, 07:15:04 am
Good luck trying to find your cock when you're that fat homeboi
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 05, 2015, 07:28:37 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on February 05, 2015, 07:15:04 am
Good luck trying to find your cock when you're that fat homeboi

Thats how i judge if i need a diet. If i look down and cant see the base of my cock, i slow down on food
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 05, 2015, 10:07:17 am
They seem to have missed the point of the movie.  Humanity essentially became gigantic babies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 05, 2015, 08:19:56 pm
Quote
Least (mod): Perkristan's Smooth Weapons pistol. Because it's fucking everywhere and doesn't do anything to improve my experience, and with the "correcting" of the pistol hand is a kick-the-dog-while-raping-it level of minority erasure in a game already starring an able-bodied Anglo-American white male.

So, the Zdoom forums were having a discussion on their favorite and least favorite weapons in mods/vanilla Doom. Suddenly, this comes the bug fuck out of nowhere. Also, since when were lefties a minority?

Does the poster really not know that Doomguy's ethnicity is never stated in any material, besides Doom RPG which points to him being a Polish Jew?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 05, 2015, 09:45:00 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/dxic74.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 05, 2015, 11:24:17 pm
Look at all these fucking white boys.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/82/Cho_Seung-hui_NBC.jpg)

(http://murderpedia.org/female.B/images/bishop-amy/amy-bishop-22.jpg)

(http://ionemichiganchronicle.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/frontpageslide_380pxstevenhare.jpg?w=250&h=184)

(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/04/07/39/39/TeahWimberly_99758a_1.jpg)

Fucking disgusting white men... Wait a second.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 06, 2015, 12:37:26 am
Not that I agree with the point, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of school shootings are commited by white people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on February 06, 2015, 01:03:55 am
Quote from: I am lizard on February 06, 2015, 12:37:26 am
Not that I agree with the point, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of school shootings are commited by white people.

Quote from: politicalresearch.org
Recent studies reveal that most school shooters are White males, with 97 percent being male and 79 percent White. Over the last three decades, 90 percent of high school or elementary school shootings were the result of White, often upper-middle class, perpetrators. These shootings are a direct reflection of White male privilege and the consequences that occur when groups like the NRA control influential conservative leaders.

* * *

Michael Kimmel, a Distinguished Professor of Sociology at Stony Brook University and founder of the academic journal Men and Masculinity, has been conducting research on the intersection between race and gender of American school shooters, and observed that “victims of [young men of color] are usually those whom the shooter believes have wronged him. And it rarely ends with his suicide. .. White men, on the other hand, have a somewhat more grandiose purpose…’If I’m going to die, then so is everybody else,’ they seem to say. Yes, of course, this is mental illness speaking: but it is mental illness speaking with a voice that has a race and a gender.”

link (http://www.politicalresearch.org/2014/06/19/mass-shooters-have-a-gender-and-a-race/)

According to this professor of sociology (and his progeny), SJW might have a point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 06, 2015, 01:46:03 am
The problem is that Tumblr often uses statements like those to stereotype white boys.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 06, 2015, 03:54:25 am
The problem is using the deaths of others as a cheap shot at white people
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on February 06, 2015, 04:08:47 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on February 06, 2015, 03:54:25 am
The problem is using the deaths of others as a cheap shot at white people

That's a bingo! (Although using the deaths of others as a cheap shot is bad regardless of who is your target.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 06, 2015, 06:12:51 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/9gbxbs.jpg)

It ain't fun for the LGBTQ+ who work so hard to make people understand that their orientation is real.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 06, 2015, 06:23:04 pm
Horse Shoe Effect; they're so far gone now, they're using Right Wing talking points.

See this quote; "We should not mix races! Purity of [Race] and [Race's Culture] should be preserved forever, kept away and safe from their enemies!!!"

Now, here's the game; SJW Or Stormfront. Who said this?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on February 06, 2015, 06:26:54 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on February 06, 2015, 06:23:04 pm
Horse Shoe Effect; they're so far gone now, they're using Right Wing talking points.

See this quote; "We should not mix races! Purity of [Race] and [Race's Culture] should be preserved forever, kept away and safe from their enemies!!!"

Now, here's the game; SJW Or Stormfront. Who said this?

SJW, since the race is unspecified. Stormfront would only ever say that for whites.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 06, 2015, 06:31:02 pm
This is really nothing new.  Here's a picture of American Nazis attending a Nation of Islam rally:

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2mxiis8.jpg)

And the man in the center?  None other than George Lincoln Rockwell.

For a little context:

http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/george-lincoln-rockwell-members-american-nazi-party-attend-nation-islam-summit-1962-hear-malcom-x-speak/ (http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/george-lincoln-rockwell-members-american-nazi-party-attend-nation-islam-summit-1962-hear-malcom-x-speak/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on February 06, 2015, 10:48:00 pm
Extremists truly make strange bedfellows.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 06, 2015, 11:18:46 pm
Something tells me Stormfronters and SJWs would get along better than either side would care to admit they would.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 07, 2015, 12:35:12 am
(http://i.imgur.com/3d6Wmgb.jpg)



(http://i.imgur.com/9XycJrA.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 07, 2015, 12:45:45 am
WORDS ARE A SOCIETAL CONSTRUCT! WHATEVER I SAY MEANS WHATEVER I SAY I MEAN I SAY!!!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on February 07, 2015, 12:48:08 am
Is that why my brain translated that as "Because... shutup!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 07, 2015, 12:54:16 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 07, 2015, 12:35:12 am
(http://i.imgur.com/3d6Wmgb.jpg)

I know this can be read as "I can call myself whatever I want for any reason!", but I don't think that's what she's saying and there's an actual point behind it.

Defining "biologically female" by genitals is arbitrary (that's what "genital essentialism is a social construct" means). A person who was born with a penis but transitions, and e.g. has oestrogen levels typical of an adult woman is now "biologically female" in at least one relevant sense, while still being a trans woman. I'm pretty sure that's what she meant, anyway, it's a standard argument in trans circles.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on February 07, 2015, 12:58:25 am
Really? Huh. That I did not know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on February 07, 2015, 10:55:57 am
And when I tried to argue essentially the same thing back in FSTDT it caused a big enough shitstorm that I took some time off from the forum to calm my stress level.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 07, 2015, 08:40:50 pm
Yeah, I didn't realize that last night. Apologies for the mistake.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 07, 2015, 08:52:37 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 07, 2015, 08:40:50 pm
Yeah, I didn't realize that last night. Apologies for the mistake.

It's okay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 08, 2015, 12:01:32 am
Hey, the SJwiki actually has a "truscum" page! SURPRISE, IT'S BULLSHIT.

Quote
A large part of their argument is based on the psychiatric/medical definition of transgender people, known as gender identity disorder and/or gender dysphoria. Pathologising trans people, while extremely oppressive, grants truscum a form of legitimacy. Using the medical community's definition, truscum have found a certain level of "acceptance" within institutions. In so much as the DSM (and other diagnostic manuals) allow them to request to have the operations, hormones, and other help they require.

Quote
HSBers and truscum, in other words, use the tools of oppression (binarism, dyadism, binary gender, neurosexism, etc.) in order to "build a house"; piggybacking on the deeply embeded colonialism, racism, and (cis)sexism within Western medicine and science.

TLDR, actual trans people are evulz because they recognize that it takes more to be trans than changing your imaginary gender every other fucking day for shits and giggles. Jesus christ, the sheer amounts of buzzwords in these alone makes me want to punch something.

Shitheads.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 08, 2015, 11:00:38 am
Middle schoolers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 08, 2015, 11:46:23 am
Quote from: mellenORL on February 08, 2015, 11:00:38 am
Middle schoolers.

"Middle schoolers" with scarily considerable influence, thanks to DARPA's favorite life replacement and them infiltrating the social sciences/academia to pervert them to their ends. Case in point:

http://cssc.berkeley.edu/events/event/queering-agriculture-food-security-in-the-nations-capital-and-the-crises-of-reproductive-american-familism/ (http://cssc.berkeley.edu/events/event/queering-agriculture-food-security-in-the-nations-capital-and-the-crises-of-reproductive-american-familism/)

Up next: Dissolving the Ciskulaks as a class and proper use of the AK-74 in sticking it to the man. Perhaps a bit of swimming in the peasant sea as well, you know? Got to bring about the world revolution somehow, comrades.

Of course, I just see REDREDSREDSREDREDSREDSREDSREDSREDSREDS everywhere so I may be misreading this. But Jesus Christ, it's like the SLA all over again.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 09, 2015, 06:55:22 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on February 08, 2015, 12:01:32 am
Hey, the SJwiki actually has a "truscum" page! SURPRISE, IT'S BULLSHIT.

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A large part of their argument is based on the psychiatric/medical definition of transgender people, known as gender identity disorder and/or gender dysphoria. Pathologising trans people, while extremely oppressive, grants truscum a form of legitimacy. Using the medical community's definition, truscum have found a certain level of "acceptance" within institutions. In so much as the DSM (and other diagnostic manuals) allow them to request to have the operations, hormones, and other help they require.

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HSBers and truscum, in other words, use the tools of oppression (binarism, dyadism, binary gender, neurosexism, etc.) in order to "build a house"; piggybacking on the deeply embeded colonialism, racism, and (cis)sexism within Western medicine and science.

TLDR, actual trans people are evulz because they recognize that it takes more to be trans than changing your imaginary gender every other fucking day for shits and giggles. Jesus christ, the sheer amounts of buzzwords in these alone makes me want to punch something.

Shitheads.
I'm trans, I spend half my waking hours on tumblr, and I still have no fucking clue what half these words mean. "Neurosexism"? The fuck? Seriously, is it that damn hard for these pissbabies to find a different hobby besides "dragging trans people into their special snowflake bullshit"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 11, 2015, 02:37:11 am
Apparently A bunch of people on Tumblr are offended by the forced feminization fetish because it's transphobic or something.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 11, 2015, 03:14:32 am
The what fetish?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 11, 2015, 04:51:40 am
You mean people of Tumblr are offended over something completely trivial, just for the sake of being offended? Well there's the shock of the fucking century.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 11, 2015, 05:26:23 am
Tumblrina: HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE THAT ABOUT TUMBLR!!! I AM OFFENDED FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON AND ALSO TRIGGERED (whatever that means) !!!!

Yeah, those people just look for any excuse to prop themselves up as the "righteous one".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 11, 2015, 08:52:10 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 11, 2015, 05:26:23 am
Tumblrina: HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE THAT ABOUT TUMBLR!!! I AM OFFENDED FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON AND ALSO TRIGGERED (whatever that means) !!!!

Yeah, those people just look for any excuse to prop themselves up as the "righteous one".

But...but...

MICRO AGGRESSION!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 11, 2015, 09:40:55 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2dgkqc5.jpg)

It's really sad that I can't tell if this is satire.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on February 11, 2015, 10:00:18 am
Seeing as how there is no mention of (prohibitively) costly surgeries and therapies that most insurance companies view as "cosmetic," I am of the view that this is a cissexual troll that is making fun of transsexuals that argue insurance should cover those procedures.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 11, 2015, 10:03:21 am
Quote from: The_Queen on February 11, 2015, 10:00:18 am
Seeing as how there is no mention of (prohibitively) costly surgeries and therapies that most insurance companies view as "cosmetic," I am of the view that this is a cissexual troll that is making fun of transsexuals that argue insurance should cover those procedures.

Good point.  On the other hand, maybe it's one of those "tucute" assholes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on February 11, 2015, 10:47:13 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 11, 2015, 10:03:21 am
Quote from: The_Queen on February 11, 2015, 10:00:18 am
Seeing as how there is no mention of (prohibitively) costly surgeries and therapies that most insurance companies view as "cosmetic," I am of the view that this is a cissexual troll that is making fun of transsexuals that argue insurance should cover those procedures.

Good point.  On the other hand, maybe it's one of those "tucute" assholes.

Probably not. Until I see some proof that this was posted by a transsexual individual, then I will go with my own knowledge of the trans community, as well as with the law of averages, and say that this is a cissexual troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on February 11, 2015, 11:35:13 am
Huh. I thought they were all trolls or Poes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on February 11, 2015, 11:44:22 am
In general, if someone claims to be a member of a minority and posts a lot of really bizarre/stupid things that said minority allegedly wants, said person is almost certainly a troll complaining about said minority.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 11, 2015, 05:40:20 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on February 11, 2015, 02:37:11 am
Apparently A bunch of people on Tumblr are offended by the forced feminization fetish because it's transphobic or something.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 12, 2015, 03:57:04 am
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/98f003b1183ca42d7958037bfac25cf2/tumblr_njbxzpM9181u00qgto1_400.png)

How this brings back memories. I remember the alleged "Triggered to Death" incident...still makes me laugh.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/7c5f681d351b37c05fc140fc2158d711/tumblr_njbxp4ESQs1u00qgto1_500.png)

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/e64f8656ba28ec8ab8ee2e12a82bb97c/tumblr_njkhfxO8jj1u00qgto1_500.png)

Yeah, look at this fucking retard now, Teacher.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/83f8483a9d852c53752aad8333b8b8ab/tumblr_njbxh4gmU91u00qgto1_540.png)

Another insane, stupid otherkin. No, I don't take your "kin-type" seriously. No, I won't respect it. No, I won't stop ridiculing you. If that Triggers you, then keep getting triggered.

And something I, err, found, related to Tumblr and its community. http://fanlore.org/wiki/Alpha/Beta/Omega THAT is apparently considered "just kink and for fun". The irony of their opposition to Forced Fem and approval of this...I gotta say, Tumblr, I can at least appreciate the sheer magnitude of how fucked up it is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 12, 2015, 08:39:56 am
Such models of wolf packs are bullshit anyway, and I'm surprised at their prominence. The idea of absolute alphas went out of style years ago.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 12, 2015, 09:54:48 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 12, 2015, 03:57:04 am
And something I, err, found, related to Tumblr and its community. http://fanlore.org/wiki/Alpha/Beta/Omega THAT is apparently considered "just kink and for fun". The irony of their opposition to Forced Fem and approval of this...I gotta say, Tumblr, I can at least appreciate the sheer magnitude of how fucked up it is.

Tumblr is made of multiple people, y'know. The people who oppose forced fem and the people who like alpha/beta kink are probably not the same.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 12, 2015, 01:13:46 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2lxxwtz.jpg)

Oh, look what a 20 second look at Wikipedia turned up:

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While disguising their individual faces was imperative, because of the illegality of their protest, dressing as Mohawk warriors was a very specific and symbolic choice. It showed that the Sons of Liberty identified with America, over their official status as subjects of Great Britain.

I wish these morons would understand that not everything is some kind of hate crime.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 12, 2015, 10:49:04 pm
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/2e82e8677169df2ff264ff592195578f/tumblr_njdcz5Mf5M1rp4sdgo1_500.jpg)

Some families and communities are made up of more than one culture.


(http://i.imgur.com/EhTcEq1.jpg)

Eating a cheeseburger is the equivalent of mass genocide.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 12, 2015, 10:58:08 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on February 12, 2015, 10:49:04 pm

Some families and communities are made up of more than one culture.


Eating a cheeseburger is the equivalent of mass genocide.
Therefore, MCDONALDS IS LITERALLY HITLER!1!1
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 12, 2015, 11:20:26 pm
Bloodmouths?  Sounds like a good band name...

Or Carnist Bloodmouths.... though with that many letters, it'd be hard as hell to read in a metal-esque font.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on February 12, 2015, 11:55:54 pm
That person probably doesn't really how funny their comment is considering Hitler was a vegetarian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 13, 2015, 12:01:10 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on February 12, 2015, 11:55:54 pm
That person probably doesn't really how funny their comment is considering Hitler was a vegetarian.

That's a bit of a misconception.  It's true that Hitler was a firm supporter of animal rights, but most evidence suggests that he was a vegetarian for health reasons.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on February 13, 2015, 01:22:57 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 13, 2015, 12:01:10 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on February 12, 2015, 11:55:54 pm
That person probably doesn't really how funny their comment is considering Hitler was a vegetarian.

That's a bit of a misconception.  It's true that Hitler was a firm supporter of animal rights, but most evidence suggests that he was a vegetarian for health reasons.

Although his reasons for being a vegeterian don't make the fact that he was one a 'misconception'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on February 13, 2015, 01:49:20 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 13, 2015, 12:01:10 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on February 12, 2015, 11:55:54 pm
That person probably doesn't really how funny their comment is considering Hitler was a vegetarian.

That's a bit of a misconception.  It's true that Hitler was a firm supporter of animal rights, but most evidence suggests that he was a vegetarian for health reasons.

He also apparently ignored his doctors on that point anyway.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on February 13, 2015, 11:13:17 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on February 12, 2015, 11:20:26 pm
Bloodmouths?  Sounds like a good band name...

If I ever get brave enough to open my own restaurant, it will be a BBQ joint and that'll be the name. "Welcome to Bloodmouths. Would you care to try an animal sampler?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 13, 2015, 01:46:00 pm
Quote from: rookie on February 13, 2015, 11:13:17 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on February 12, 2015, 11:20:26 pm
Bloodmouths?  Sounds like a good band name...

If I ever get brave enough to open my own restaurant, it will be a BBQ joint and that'll be the name. "Welcome to Bloodmouths. Would you care to try an animal sampler?

Mwahahahahaha...  Sounds good.  If you ever do it, drop me the addy and I'll see if I can't make my way there someday. ;P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 13, 2015, 02:45:17 pm
This post started strong but quickly veered into "what do you mean 'words have meanings' u cislord oppressor scum" territory.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cataclysm on February 13, 2015, 04:27:37 pm
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/1922483_855573474483797_1185327209018446256_n.jpg?oh=d8e24673497adaf32c1d4d29e8836dc4&oe=558DBF58)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 13, 2015, 05:47:14 pm
No, it was a shitty lay of a one night stand.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 13, 2015, 06:28:47 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/6qMbdhK.jpg)

Don't take this the wrong way but all me should die!

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 13, 2015, 06:44:00 pm
So uh...what way should I take it then?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 14, 2015, 08:02:51 am
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/4b578179ebb1fc367c12106205de8ac7/tumblr_mupvjnA2bD1sdj7qco1_1280.jpg)

Shakesville, the bottom of the barrel. You may remember them from the (rather horrid on their part, IMHO) Dickwolves debacle, but they've...gone downhill.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 14, 2015, 01:23:12 pm
Ah, yes, the famous "well if you don't know what you did wrong then I'M NOT TELLING YOU!!" argument that generally serves to stifle discussion and make the arguer look like a dick.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 14, 2015, 02:11:55 pm
Ugh, I HATE it when people do that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 14, 2015, 07:00:55 pm
That's the most amazing amount of stupid I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on February 15, 2015, 04:03:43 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on February 14, 2015, 08:02:51 am
Shakesville, the bottom of the barrel. You may remember them from the (rather horrid on their part, IMHO) Dickwolves debacle, but they've...gone downhill.

I remember them from a post PZ made decrying all criticism of that site and its founder (http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/07/29/something-is-wrong-with-siwoti/). Some people from SVKA showed up in the comments and Pharyngula's tribal instincts kicked in; they were vehemently dismissed.

The more I hear about Shakesville the more it makes sense that another site thrives on criticizing their cultish "safe space".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 15, 2015, 05:58:33 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on February 15, 2015, 04:03:43 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on February 14, 2015, 08:02:51 am
Shakesville, the bottom of the barrel. You may remember them from the (rather horrid on their part, IMHO) Dickwolves debacle, but they've...gone downhill.

I remember them from a post PZ made decrying all criticism of that site and its founder (http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2014/07/29/something-is-wrong-with-siwoti/). Some people from SVKA showed up in the comments and Pharyngula's tribal instincts kicked in; they were vehemently dismissed.

The more I hear about Shakesville the more it makes sense that another site thrives on criticizing their cultish "safe space".
You can be a serial child rapist and PZ Myers will cover your ass if you're somewhat in agreement.

Disgusting how he's defended on Rationalwiki.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on February 15, 2015, 08:16:51 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on February 15, 2015, 05:58:33 pm
You can be a serial child rapist and PZ Myers will cover your ass if you're somewhat in agreement.

Disgusting how he's defended on Rationalwiki.

Well, no, that's just the thing that puzzles me. Some of PZ's most vitriolic hate, deserved or not, is aimed at people that mostly agree with him but have crossed a line somewhere, somehow. I admire that because PZ has the courage and conviction to go after movement leaders that others involved in the movement won't criticize. The problem is when he does the exact opposite of that.

(click to show/hide)

The rampant tribalism is bad enough that I sometimes wonder if PZ's heroes and foes are entirely delineated by ingroup/outgroup.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 15, 2015, 10:37:10 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/4pWImGQ.jpg)

Ugh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 16, 2015, 11:03:07 am
Ummm, that's German Shepherd-kin or half breed wolf-kin....that's just not a fox silhouette.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on February 16, 2015, 01:59:47 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on February 16, 2015, 11:03:07 am
Ummm, that's German Shepherd-kin or half breed wolf-kin....that's just not a fox silhouette.

You're oppressing him with your social construct that all foxes have a certain silhouette.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 16, 2015, 02:05:35 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on February 16, 2015, 11:03:07 am
Ummm, that's German Shepherd-kin or half breed wolf-kin....that's just not a fox silhouette.
And wouldn't the reverse (human silhouette, canine skeleton) be a more accurate representation of whatever it is that these people think is going on?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 16, 2015, 03:59:42 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/6fxyyw.jpg)

Fucking seriously?  That's not blackface.  That's war paint.  Pretty much every civilization in human history has put paint on their faces for intimidation or camouflage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 16, 2015, 04:55:23 pm
Ok so I got clued into this by...someone else and holy fuckballs really?  That's what they're going for?  Without knowing nothing of Finn Balor?  Scratch my surface and you find a mark.  SO ANYWAYS!

Finn Balor, aka Prince Devitt, is an Irish born wrestler who currently is the number one contender for the NXT Championship.  He chose the name Finn Balor so the WWE could copyright something as well as announcing to the world what he was.  Finn Balor, in Gaelic, means "Demon King".  That isn't war paint you're seeing.  HE'S TRANSFORMED HIMSELF INTO A LITERAL DEMON KING!

Ironbite-also the entrance he uses for big matches is just....off the fucking hook.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 16, 2015, 05:26:14 pm
Quote from: ironbite on February 16, 2015, 04:55:23 pm
Ok so I got clued into this by...someone else and holy fuckballs really?  That's what they're going for?  Without knowing nothing of Finn Balor?  Scratch my surface and you find a mark.  SO ANYWAYS!

Finn Balor, aka Prince Devitt, is an Irish born wrestler who currently is the number one contender for the NXT Championship.  He chose the name Finn Balor so the WWE could copyright something as well as announcing to the world what he was.  Finn Balor, in Gaelic, means "Demon King".  That isn't war paint you're seeing.  HE'S TRANSFORMED HIMSELF INTO A LITERAL DEMON KING!

Ironbite-also the entrance he uses for big matches is just....off the fucking hook.

I'm not a wrestling fan, so I didn't know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on February 16, 2015, 05:55:00 pm
Quote from: ironbite on February 16, 2015, 04:55:23 pm
Ok so I got clued into this by...someone else and holy fuckballs really?  That's what they're going for?  Without knowing nothing of Finn Balor?  Scratch my surface and you find a mark.  SO ANYWAYS!

Finn Balor, aka Prince Devitt, is an Irish born wrestler who currently is the number one contender for the NXT Championship.  He chose the name Finn Balor so the WWE could copyright something as well as announcing to the world what he was.  Finn Balor, in Gaelic, means "Demon King".  That isn't war paint you're seeing.  HE'S TRANSFORMED HIMSELF INTO A LITERAL DEMON KING!

Ironbite-also the entrance he uses for big matches is just....off the fucking hook.

Having seen his entrance... yeah, I gotta admit, I'm impressed.  Gives me deja vu for some of the classic ring entrances of the 80's and 90's.  Good times.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 16, 2015, 06:03:54 pm
Gotta admit, that war paint looks pretty damn cool. Dare I say that it reminds me somewhat of Kane's Half Mask era, friends?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 16, 2015, 06:12:33 pm
When Balor goes big, he goes big.  First time I saw this, him and Hideo Itamai, AKA KENTA, took on the Ascension in one of those classic tag team matches you don't see other then in NXT.  He came out to this and I was just...floored.  Completely floored.  He brought it out again against Adrien Nevill at NXT Takeover: Rival.  Honestly I love NXT for what Triple H's vision of the WWE should be.  Classic matches, every time they have a special it feels special and their weekly shows are awesome.

Ironbite-I think I'm shilling the Network but seriously watch those two matches I just said.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on February 18, 2015, 10:59:50 pm
Quote from: Cataclysm on February 13, 2015, 04:27:37 pm
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/1922483_855573474483797_1185327209018446256_n.jpg?oh=d8e24673497adaf32c1d4d29e8836dc4&oe=558DBF58)

Ah, tumblr. Where "No" means "No" and "Yes" means "No."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 18, 2015, 11:27:26 pm
Quote from: Damen on February 18, 2015, 10:59:50 pm
Quote from: Cataclysm on February 13, 2015, 04:27:37 pm
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/1922483_855573474483797_1185327209018446256_n.jpg?oh=d8e24673497adaf32c1d4d29e8836dc4&oe=558DBF58)

Ah, tumblr. Where "No" means "No" and "Yes" means "No."

I think this is what they call "consent as felt sense (https://bandanablog.wordpress.com/2013/11/05/you-can-take-it-back-consent-as-a-felt-sense/)". That is, the idea that "consent" is not about giving permission but rather about not feeling violated (one half redefinition-with-good-intentions, one half so-fucking-problematic).

Ozymandias has a good analysis of it (https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/on-consent-as-a-felt-sense/) from a social justice perspective.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on February 20, 2015, 12:00:41 am
Quote from: Cataclysm on February 13, 2015, 04:27:37 pm
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/1922483_855573474483797_1185327209018446256_n.jpg?oh=d8e24673497adaf32c1d4d29e8836dc4&oe=558DBF58)

Something else I never had to worry about growing up but I'll have to teach my sons. If she says yes, get it in writing and notorized.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 20, 2015, 12:04:24 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2rx9mja.jpg)

Islam: now a skin color.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 20, 2015, 12:35:13 am
Quote from: rookie on February 20, 2015, 12:00:41 am
Quote from: Cataclysm on February 13, 2015, 04:27:37 pm
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/1922483_855573474483797_1185327209018446256_n.jpg?oh=d8e24673497adaf32c1d4d29e8836dc4&oe=558DBF58)

Something else I never had to worry about growing up but I'll have to teach my sons. If she says yes, get it in writing and notorized.

I'll start carrying sexual consent contracts immediately. I don't think the notary will be necessary as long as you have video evidence of her signing it, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 20, 2015, 06:07:37 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2qweq9d.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 20, 2015, 06:23:50 pm
Quote from: rookie on February 20, 2015, 12:00:41 am
Quote from: Cataclysm on February 13, 2015, 04:27:37 pm
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/1922483_855573474483797_1185327209018446256_n.jpg?oh=d8e24673497adaf32c1d4d29e8836dc4&oe=558DBF58)

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if your sons are fucking some SJW, they're already in too deep.

Ironbite-seriously that's a crazy I wouldn't want to stick it into.
Something else I never had to worry about growing up but I'll have to teach my sons. If she says yes, get it in writing and notorized.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on February 20, 2015, 07:34:30 pm
Quote from: ironbite on February 20, 2015, 06:23:50 pm
Quote from: Cataclysm on February 13, 2015, 04:27:37 pm
(https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/1922483_855573474483797_1185327209018446256_n.jpg?oh=d8e24673497adaf32c1d4d29e8836dc4&oe=558DBF58)

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if your sons are fucking some SJW, they're already in too deep.

Ironbite-seriously that's a crazy I wouldn't want to stick it into.
Something else I never had to worry about growing up but I'll have to teach my sons. If she says yes, get it in writing and notorized.

For all the troglodyte menz out there, consent is pretty simple:

1) No means no.

2) Yes can mean yes, unless it means no, and it can mean yes and actually mean no later, which makes you a retroactive rapist.

EDIT: 3) Possibly most importantly, individuals can decide yes but the social justice collective can overrule and decide it meant no, which means no.

Why can't the troglodytes understand three simple rules?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 20, 2015, 09:16:04 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 20, 2015, 06:07:37 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2qweq9d.jpg)
Stonewall was made up mostly of whites.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 21, 2015, 02:27:57 am
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/44d9d0e9d53607743facea5cf1491bb8/tumblr_njkbalcNTN1u00qgto1_540.png)

Get a load of this Sparklegender.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/7e943ae4e1ac4b70ee60ee9d58fd103f/tumblr_nk2v0cs1E31seq1n3o1_540.jpg)

OH MADMAN, OH MADMAN, YOUR GIRLFRIEND HAS APPEARED!

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/83ca9bdc99b6b46c59201bf020164a12/tumblr_njkag2FMM71u00qgto1_500.png)

You heard it here - basic biology and science is now transphobic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 21, 2015, 07:42:02 am
I refuse to believe that everyone's favorite Jew Eli is dead/missing/being dissected by Mounties (He survived being on the other end Protective Edge, man) and Wu is free to tunnel up her own ass. I utterly refuse, man!

He really shouldn't have brought that Katana over the Canadian border. DAMN YOU, CANADA! DAMN YOU!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on February 21, 2015, 09:47:33 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on February 21, 2015, 07:42:02 am
I refuse to believe that everyone's favorite Jew Eli is dead/missing/being dissected by Mounties (He survived being on the other end Protective Edge, man) and Wu is free to tunnel up her own ass. I utterly refuse, man!

He really shouldn't have brought that Katana over the Canadian border. DAMN YOU, CANADA! DAMN YOU!

Who? What? When?

Am I going to have to delete Madman's profile since it looks like it has been taken over by a spambot or will he start making sense at some point?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 21, 2015, 10:06:05 am
Quote from: askold on February 21, 2015, 09:47:33 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on February 21, 2015, 07:42:02 am
I refuse to believe that everyone's favorite Jew Eli is dead/missing/being dissected by Mounties (He survived being on the other end Protective Edge, man) and Wu is free to tunnel up her own ass. I utterly refuse, man!

He really shouldn't have brought that Katana over the Canadian border. DAMN YOU, CANADA! DAMN YOU!

Who? What? When?

Am I going to have to delete Madman's profile since it looks like it has been taken over by a spambot or will he start making sense at some point?


Sense and I have a very loose (and polygamous) relationship.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 21, 2015, 12:24:42 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2zs8y1h.jpg)

As if there's a clear distinction between Arabs and "whites".

Ironically, SJWs have an incredibly black and white perception of race, when the truth is that "race" when it comes to humans is an incredibly nebulous concept that's often constructed more around political, religious or cultural differences than differences in appearance or genetics.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 21, 2015, 04:15:52 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on February 21, 2015, 02:27:57 am
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/44d9d0e9d53607743facea5cf1491bb8/tumblr_njkbalcNTN1u00qgto1_540.png)

Get a load of this Sparklegender.


LGBT people have spent their entire lives trying to convince people that it's not a choice. Stop.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 22, 2015, 11:54:19 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 21, 2015, 02:27:57 am
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/83ca9bdc99b6b46c59201bf020164a12/tumblr_njkag2FMM71u00qgto1_500.png)

You heard it here - basic biology and science is now transphobic.
How much do you want to bet that this assclown is cisgender/sparklegender?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 22, 2015, 06:04:41 pm
Easy money.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 22, 2015, 09:07:37 pm
Okay... what is "sparklegender"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 22, 2015, 09:14:38 pm
Quote from: SpaceProg on February 22, 2015, 09:07:37 pm
Okay... what is "sparklegender"?

From my understanding, it means somebody who assigns themselves a nonexistent gender identity in order to feel special.  Not to be confused with a "transtrender" or "tucute", who claims to be transsexual/transgender for the same reason.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on February 22, 2015, 09:21:48 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 22, 2015, 09:14:38 pm
Not to be confused with a "transtrender" or "tucute", who claims to be transsexual/transgender for the same reason.

Is it really anyone else's business to claim a transperson is just pretending to be trans?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 22, 2015, 09:28:56 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on February 22, 2015, 09:21:48 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 22, 2015, 09:14:38 pm
Not to be confused with a "transtrender" or "tucute", who claims to be transsexual/transgender for the same reason.

Is it really anyone else's business to claim a transperson is just pretending to be trans?
Hoo boy. There's an ongoing internet war (mostly confined to tumblr, thank god) about who is and isn't "really" trans, and who gets to decide. The two big players are the truscum/transmedicalists, who assert that dysphoria is required to be transgender, and the tucutes/tupukes, who claim simply identifying as non-cis makes one so. Personally I'd say that someone without dysphoria has no business identifying as transgender (gender-variant maybe, but not trans) , but I don't really care enough to pick fights about it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on February 22, 2015, 09:37:02 pm
I love that argument, its so stupid and quite important at the same time
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Beezlebub on February 23, 2015, 01:21:08 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on February 22, 2015, 09:07:37 pm
Okay... what is "sparklegender"?

REALLY big fans of twilight
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on February 23, 2015, 01:28:34 am
Quote from: Beezlebub on February 23, 2015, 01:21:08 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on February 22, 2015, 09:07:37 pm
Okay... what is "sparklegender"?

REALLY big fans of twilight
Nah, that is "sparkle-kin." ...Or possibly "Sparkle-sexual" or "Sparkle-romantic."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on February 23, 2015, 02:27:47 am
Quote from: Beezlebub on February 23, 2015, 01:21:08 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on February 22, 2015, 09:07:37 pm
Okay... what is "sparklegender"?

REALLY big fans of twilight

The shitty vampire books or the pony?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 23, 2015, 02:38:33 am
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/0ee2df60c746a9cb4a2aee619d1e639a/tumblr_nk6riaf9Bt1u00qgto1_400.png)

More Omegaverse uniqueness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on February 23, 2015, 04:13:19 am
What's with all this wolf stuff?  Alphas and betas and all that.  What does it have to do with humans?  Last I looked, humans were apes, not canines.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 23, 2015, 04:30:29 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on February 23, 2015, 04:13:19 am
What's with all this wolf stuff?  Alphas and betas and all that.  What does it have to do with humans?  Last I looked, humans were apes, not canines.

As near as I can tell, the whole "omegaverse" thing is basically imagining humans as wolves, with "omega" men taking the place of females. Actually, if you look at it, it's pretty discriminatory towards women in general.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on February 23, 2015, 04:53:24 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on February 23, 2015, 04:30:29 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on February 23, 2015, 04:13:19 am
What's with all this wolf stuff?  Alphas and betas and all that.  What does it have to do with humans?  Last I looked, humans were apes, not canines.

As near as I can tell, the whole "omegaverse" thing is basically imagining humans as wolves, with "omega" men taking the place of females. Actually, if you look at it, it's pretty discriminatory towards women in general.

How? Because from what I was able to read before I noped away it just seems like it is mostly gay erotica (with male pregnancy being just one of the weird kinks that also include werewolves and all kinds of stuff.)

Even if it doesn't have women in focus (or doesn't have them at all) it is just a weird gay fanfic/erotica thingy. Now that I think about it, there are also lesbian erotica where there are 0 men in the universe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 23, 2015, 05:16:13 am
I couldn't say how accurate this is given that I couldn't be in there long before noping out myself, but while I was there, I read a headcanon that alpha females have a penis and testicles, but either no uterus/vagina or underdeveloped and useless uterus/vagina. Combine that with the headcanon in a nearby post that alpha females remove their breasts and it sounds like they're just... males. Ignoring transgenderism (which other posts threw cans of worms into) for the moment, it makes the clear implication that only males or male-likes can be dominant, and that having the ability to bear children is a "submissive" thing.

Does that make sense? I dunno, it's 2 AM for me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 23, 2015, 11:11:34 am
(http://kiwifar.ms/attachments/image-jpg.17367/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 23, 2015, 01:49:29 pm
"Speech can be a form of violence"

Really? you sure? If speech could kill I'd be doing 25 to life right now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 23, 2015, 06:06:56 pm
Considering how many pipe bombs I've routinely thrown on this forum and others....I should be in Gitmo.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 23, 2015, 08:04:40 pm
Quote from: ironbite on February 23, 2015, 06:06:56 pm
Considering how many pipe bombs I've routinely thrown on this forum and others....I should be in Gitmo.

You're too white.  You'd just end up going to regular prison.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 23, 2015, 10:33:48 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/kd614m.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 24, 2015, 01:16:45 am
I am worth a trillion of you, you ugly little cretin.

Your opinions, your words, your distortion of feminism are all worthless.

See? We can all play that game. The difference is, Snowflake, you're really bad at it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 25, 2015, 08:39:20 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 24, 2015, 01:16:45 am
I am worth a trillion of you, you ugly little cretin.

Your opinions, your words, your distortion of feminism are all worthless.

See? We can all play that game. The difference is, Snowflake, you're really bad at it.

Besides, your version was shorter and, therefore, automatically better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 25, 2015, 01:51:30 pm
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/e100304c6c6042a5c1f3a42ada20a3f0/tumblr_njw4e3veP51u00qgto1_1280.png)

I don't think you understand what asexual means.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/46594e239950c73b71fa83ab8505620b/tumblr_njq2hupP6Q1u00qgto1_500.png)

Get a real problem.

(http://i.imgur.com/sM4Akxu.png)

If you're going to diss a male writer, make sure you're not wearing a t-shirt for the series he wrote episodes for.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on February 25, 2015, 02:06:42 pm
Well, BDSM doesn't necessarily have any sex so in this occasion they could have a point.

...Really, some people enjoy the experience even if there is no sex (depending on the definition for "sex") and there are BDSM clubs with no sex allowed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 25, 2015, 02:14:31 pm
Quote
(http://i.imgur.com/sM4Akxu.png)

Ugh, Xojane. It's like every stereotype of Third-wavers combined into one, with a pinch of sheer awkwardness added in. It's like Cosmo, but even more annoying.

Some highlights:

-Hey, look! It's my crazy ex! Figures she's writing for them.

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/brianna-wu-gamergate
 (http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/brianna-wu-gamergate)

-Why?

http://www.xojane.com/relationships/i-pooped-someone-elses-bed-and-survived-the-humilation (http://www.xojane.com/relationships/i-pooped-someone-elses-bed-and-survived-the-humilation)

-Why?

http://www.xojane.com/healthy/are-you-terrible-at-menstruating
 (http://www.xojane.com/healthy/are-you-terrible-at-menstruating)

-Who cares?

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/it-happened-to-me-there-are-no-black-people-in-my-yoga-classes-and-im-uncomfortable-with-it (http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/it-happened-to-me-there-are-no-black-people-in-my-yoga-classes-and-im-uncomfortable-with-it)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 25, 2015, 03:23:04 pm
Quote
*Stop reading cis white men pic*

But cis white men write all the best books tho
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 25, 2015, 04:30:24 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/16je936.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 25, 2015, 04:34:46 pm
...this person should be arrested for....I don't know endangering the public?

Ironbite-just...horrifying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 25, 2015, 04:52:18 pm
Well, someone just made my "needs to have their teeth belted out of their head" list.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 25, 2015, 05:03:08 pm
Someone just made my "needs to be curbstomped literally" list...

...You're scum on the bottom of my boot, lady.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 25, 2015, 06:41:36 pm
Yeaaaaaaah...man or woman, it doesn't matter who ya are; if you attack me, don't get all pissy when you end up on your ass.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 25, 2015, 06:46:21 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/7689181d4f9665ec5a5597caec385340/tumblr_n9n1sr3E6M1tizya8o1_500.jpg)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/04bb43aa12def0fc975436e97c233933/tumblr_ncsnawguT11u00qgto1_400.png)
I don't know what you think "gender" means, kid, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/cf85bb698f8552d89e693aa54b696408/tumblr_nb8ll5w91d1ryeto5o1_1280.png)
This just in: medical professionals who require a diagnosis of a medical condition before they'll prescribe life-altering medical treatment are super duper racist.

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/e100304c6c6042a5c1f3a42ada20a3f0/tumblr_njw4e3veP51u00qgto1_1280.png)
Apparently "asexual" means whatever the fuck y'all want it to mean.

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/865a871155c88cda63166f2e4f177712/tumblr_njhd73YrgF1u00qgto1_400.png)
Shut up, both of you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 25, 2015, 07:05:44 pm
I just got done talking to my sister about the latest 4chan / 8chan.co vs. Tumblr spat.

My sister says that five people from the Supernatural Fandom were triggered to death. As in they committed suicide.

I don't really believe it, but given the last time only one or around there people were affected in such a way, could this be showing 4chan's upping its game?

Tumblr is responding by making War Blogs, because cmon, its Tumblr, its not like they can be assed to actually do anything beyond Angry Blogging.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 25, 2015, 09:56:12 pm
Say hello to the originator of the tucute movement, kiddos. That's right, the Ubertucute herself: Idislikecispeople.

https://archive.today/U48Cv#selection-111.0-116.0
 (https://archive.today/U48Cv#selection-111.0-116.0)

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I’m a magigirl! I’m about 85% trans girl and 15% agender.

WHAT?!

Quote
Aromantic demisexual I think?

*Hand slides off face after facepalming*

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My name is Kat, think of it like a nickname. I'm the tucute queen, a gorgeous magigirl, my preferred pronouns are kit/kits/kitself, I'm a taurus, kittykin, firekin, ISFJ, and I'm an aromantic demisexual. ♥

I'm just a badass magical girl here to voice my outrage against privileged, self-important cis people who think they are allowed to push their opinions in on trans matters. As well as attempting to stop truscum because they were once magical but got corrupted and I aim to collect their valuable grief seeds.

And welcome to the crazy weaboo side of things. First of all, "tucute queen" isn't exactly a title you want at all. Also, what the fuck are kitself pronouns?

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She isn’t stated specifically and canonically to be cis, therefore she is trans,

THE CREATORS NEVER SAID MY HEADCANON IS WRONG, THEREFORE IT'S CANON! 1 1 1 1

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Derailing my need of donations is literally pushing the hand of death upon me, and basically aiding in the death of a trans person in need of medication to continue living.

NOT GIVING ME A VIDEO GAME IS TRANSPHOBIA! No, really. She continues to beg for money allegedly for her insulin, yet uses it to buy video games instead.

(https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/500px-idcpwantstofite1v1irl-png.17624/)

(https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/tumblr_inline_ndbelontks1re2vca-png.17638/)


WHAT?! WHAT?! WHAT?! WHA-

*Explodes into a portal to the Warp*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 26, 2015, 12:30:19 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on February 25, 2015, 06:46:21 pm

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/e100304c6c6042a5c1f3a42ada20a3f0/tumblr_njw4e3veP51u00qgto1_1280.png)
Apparently "asexual" means whatever the fuck y'all want it to mean.
To be fair someone could be interested in some aspect of BSDM in a non-sexual way (perhaps they just enjoy the idea, or they want to please a partener, to infiltrate positions of power,  or because they find it aesthetically neat for whatever reason) and most AVEN communities I've seen (even outside of tumblr) agree.

Keep in mind I speak from the perspective of someone who has only slightly higher knowledge of Asexual culture than most people, so I could be completly off.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on February 26, 2015, 12:30:24 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on February 25, 2015, 07:05:44 pm
I just got done talking to my sister about the latest 4chan / 8chan.co vs. Tumblr spat.

My sister says that five people from the Supernatural Fandom were triggered to death. As in they committed suicide.

I don't really believe it, but given the last time only one or around there people were affected in such a way, could this be showing 4chan's upping its game?

Tumblr is responding by making War Blogs, because cmon, its Tumblr, its not like they can be assed to actually do anything beyond Angry Blogging.

As far as I know, not a single person has ever died during the 4Chan "raids".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 26, 2015, 06:41:49 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/4EdLgGQ.png)

Oh, ADF.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 26, 2015, 06:44:18 pm
Oh no, you guys, he's gonna interfere!  That probably translates to sitting on his arse on election day eating nachos.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jessibel on February 26, 2015, 07:45:33 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on February 26, 2015, 12:30:19 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on February 25, 2015, 06:46:21 pm

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/e100304c6c6042a5c1f3a42ada20a3f0/tumblr_njw4e3veP51u00qgto1_1280.png)
Apparently "asexual" means whatever the fuck y'all want it to mean.
To be fair someone could be interested in some aspect of BSDM in a non-sexual way (perhaps they just enjoy the idea, or they want to please a partener, to infiltrate positions of power,  or because they find it aesthetically neat for whatever reason) and most AVEN communities I've seen (even outside of tumblr) agree.

Keep in mind I speak from the perspective of someone who has only slightly higher knowledge of Asexual culture than most people, so I could be completly off.

This is actually makes some sense. While a lot of asexuals report no sex drive/ sexual feelings, there are those who do, but have no wish to act out those feelings with another person. So someone might identify as asexual who still has sexual fantasy and masturbates, watches porn, etc. Like most sexual orientations it's complicated.

Add to that, for a lot a praticioners, BDSM isn't necessarily sexual. Most BDSM clubs outright forbid sexual intercourse during play or scenes, and there is a lot of emphasis on spiritual and psychological catharsis. It can be as much about transcendence as dirty sex.

So this actually makes a little more sense than it seems at first.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2015, 09:37:08 pm
Quote from: Jessibel on February 26, 2015, 07:45:33 pm
So someone might identify as asexual who still has sexual fantasy and masturbates, watches porn, etc. Like most sexual orientations it's complicated.
Then they're not actually asexual, they have a perfectly existent sexuality. If that's going to fly, then I might as well "identify as" black, or a pilot, or a lion tamer, or anything else that I'm not and still expect everyone to take me seriously.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 26, 2015, 09:59:20 pm
I always figured "asexual" didn't necessarily mean a lack of any sex drive, but more a lack of any sexual orientation. That is to say, you can still want to fuck, but you don't find anyone particularly attractive, whether they be male, female, or what have you. I mean, we don't assume bisexuals are constantly horny, so why should we assume asexuals are never horny?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 26, 2015, 10:07:50 pm
^^ SHITLORD!! CHECK YUR PRIVLEG!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jessibel on February 26, 2015, 10:24:10 pm
Well here is what The Asexual Visibility & Education network has to say about it:

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Attraction
Many asexual people experience attraction, but we feel no need to act out that attraction sexually. Instead we feel a desire to get to know someone, to get close to them in whatever way works best for us. Asexual people who experience attraction will often be attracted to a particular gender, and will identify as lesbian, gay, bi, or straight.

Arousal
For some sexual arousal is a fairly regular occurrence, though it is not associated with a desire to find a sexual partner or partners. Some will occasionally masturbate, but feel no desire for partnered sexuality. Other asexual people experience little or no arousal. Because we don’t care about sex, asexual people generally do not see a lack of sexual arousal as a problem to be corrected, and focus their energy on enjoying other types of arousal and pleasure.

Here's the link to their page:

http://www.asexuality.org/home/overview.html (http://www.asexuality.org/home/overview.html)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 26, 2015, 10:42:34 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2015, 09:37:08 pm
Quote from: Jessibel on February 26, 2015, 07:45:33 pm
So someone might identify as asexual who still has sexual fantasy and masturbates, watches porn, etc. Like most sexual orientations it's complicated.
Then they're not actually asexual, they have a perfectly existent sexuality. If that's going to fly, then I might as well "identify as" black, or a pilot, or a lion tamer, or anything else that I'm not and still expect everyone to take me seriously.

Alternatively, they are using a vague term in a slightly different way than you are.

Asexual can reasonably be used to mean people who are indifferent to sex, people who find sex actively unpleasant, people who are not attracted sexually to anyone in particular, people who don't experience arousal, and other related groups.

Someone could conceivably enjoys orgasms but not want to have sex with anyone. Why shouldn't they identify as asexual, if they like? It's not like they will be using their Official Asexual ID Badge to fly planes without knowing how, it's just a term they are comfortable with* and they can use to describe their sexuality.


*And when it comes to sex, sexual orientation, and related subjects, being comfortable with a term can be a pretty big deal. It's part of the reason I'm not too hard on, say, men who are attracted to other men but don't want to call themselves gay. Given the society they grew up in, it's not surprising that the word gay has a few more connotations than just "is attracted to other men", most of them negative.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 26, 2015, 11:03:11 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on February 26, 2015, 10:07:50 pm
^^ SHITLORD!! CHECK YUR PRIVLEG!!!
http://niceme.me
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2015, 11:52:58 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 26, 2015, 10:42:34 pm
Alternatively, they are using a vague term in a slightly different way than you are.

Asexual can reasonably be used to mean people who are indifferent to sex, people who find sex actively unpleasant, people who are not attracted sexually to anyone in particular, people who don't experience arousal, and other related groups.
It seems silly to include people who are in fact sexually attracted to other humans, but simply choose not to pursue it for one reason or another. It just makes the term far too vague to be useful. Yeah, I can understand humouring people like that who claim to be asexual, if only to avoid drama. But when discussing actual sexualities, something that's an innate condition rather than a choice, such a definition would render it meaningless. Anyone could rightfully claim asexuality under that definition simply by choosing not to pork anyone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 26, 2015, 11:57:33 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on February 26, 2015, 11:03:11 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on February 26, 2015, 10:07:50 pm
^^ SHITLORD!! CHECK YUR PRIVLEG!!!
http://niceme.me

SHETLAND! PECK YOUR CIVILAGE!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on February 27, 2015, 12:30:59 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 26, 2015, 11:57:33 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on February 26, 2015, 11:03:11 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on February 26, 2015, 10:07:50 pm
^^ SHITLORD!! CHECK YUR PRIVLEG!!!
http://niceme.me

SHETLAND! PECK YOUR CIVILAGE!

DO A BARREL ROLL!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 27, 2015, 12:39:34 am
Quote from: Random Guy on February 27, 2015, 12:30:59 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 26, 2015, 11:57:33 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on February 26, 2015, 11:03:11 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on February 26, 2015, 10:07:50 pm
^^ SHITLORD!! CHECK YUR PRIVLEG!!!
http://niceme.me

SHETLAND! PECK YOUR CIVILAGE!

DO A BARREL ROLL!

FIND THE COMPUTER ROOM!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 27, 2015, 12:40:08 am
SHARLAND! FIND ME A BATTERY AND SOME CREAM CHEESE!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jessibel on February 27, 2015, 12:57:14 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2015, 11:52:58 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 26, 2015, 10:42:34 pm
Alternatively, they are using a vague term in a slightly different way than you are.

Asexual can reasonably be used to mean people who are indifferent to sex, people who find sex actively unpleasant, people who are not attracted sexually to anyone in particular, people who don't experience arousal, and other related groups.
It seems silly to include people who are in fact sexually attracted to other humans, but simply choose not to pursue it for one reason or another. It just makes the term far too vague to be useful. Yeah, I can understand humouring people like that who claim to be asexual, if only to avoid drama. But when discussing actual sexualities, something that's an innate condition rather than a choice, such a definition would render it meaningless. Anyone could rightfully claim asexuality under that definition simply by choosing not to pork anyone.

If they want to have sex with other people but choose not to, they are are considered celibate, not asexuals. Asexual people don't want to have sex with other people, even if they may still feel sexual desire or attraction. It's the lack of desire to physically have sex with another human being that defines it, not necessarily the lack of any sort of sexual desire all together.

And like Sigmaleph said, it's a fairly nuanced term, with people finding slightly different meanings in it. If someone who does masturbate but doesn't enjoy sex feels the term applies to them, why is he/she less worthy of the term than someone who has never had a single sexual fantasy. They are both going to be judged as abnormal by society, and have just as hard of a time finding a romantic partner (if they want one).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 27, 2015, 05:09:33 am
Quote from: Jessibel on February 27, 2015, 12:57:14 am
If they want to have sex with other people but choose not to, they are are considered celibate, not asexuals. Asexual people don't want to have sex with other people, even if they may still feel sexual desire or attraction. It's the lack of desire to physically have sex with another human being that defines it, not necessarily the lack of any sort of sexual desire all together.
I've always thought sexuality refers specifically to attraction. Bisexuals are attracted to both sexes, heterosexuals to the opposite sex, homosexuals to the same sex and asexuals to neither sex. Sex drive is what describes whether nor not they actually want to fuck anyone, not sexuality.
Quote from: Jessibel on February 27, 2015, 12:57:14 am
And like Sigmaleph said, it's a fairly nuanced term, with people finding slightly different meanings in it. If someone who does masturbate but doesn't enjoy sex feels the term applies to them, why is he/she less worthy of the term than someone who has never had a single sexual fantasy. They are both going to be judged as abnormal by society, and have just as hard of a time finding a romantic partner (if they want one).
I'm talking strictly about the definition of the word itself. Any social justice issues surround asexuals or people claiming to be asexuals is a completely separate matter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 27, 2015, 10:08:20 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 26, 2015, 11:57:33 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on February 26, 2015, 11:03:11 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on February 26, 2015, 10:07:50 pm
^^ SHITLORD!! CHECK YUR PRIVLEG!!!
http://niceme.me

SHETLAND! PECK YOUR CIVILAGE!

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Alright.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 27, 2015, 03:00:38 pm
Back on topic...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 27, 2015, 04:55:22 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/nqcq53.jpg)

How did you know they were cis?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on February 27, 2015, 05:08:36 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 27, 2015, 04:55:22 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/nqcq53.jpg)

How did you know they were cis?

Cisdar.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 27, 2015, 05:21:02 pm
And were you laying down in the middle of the street?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 27, 2015, 09:12:12 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2015, 11:52:58 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 26, 2015, 10:42:34 pm
Alternatively, they are using a vague term in a slightly different way than you are.

Asexual can reasonably be used to mean people who are indifferent to sex, people who find sex actively unpleasant, people who are not attracted sexually to anyone in particular, people who don't experience arousal, and other related groups.
It seems silly to include people who are in fact sexually attracted to other humans, but simply choose not to pursue it for one reason or another. It just makes the term far too vague to be useful. Yeah, I can understand humouring people like that who claim to be asexual, if only to avoid drama. But when discussing actual sexualities, something that's an innate condition rather than a choice, such a definition would render it meaningless.

Some definitions of asexuality refer to a sexual orientation analogous to hetero- or bisexuality. Others speak to other aspects of one's attitude/preferences towards sex. If you are in a context were precision matters you can always specify which one you mean, the same way we do with every other word with multiple related meanings when we need to use it technically.

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Anyone could rightfully claim asexuality under that definition simply by choosing not to pork anyone.

Sort of? I think if you really are sexually attracted to people, and enjoy sex, then choosing to abstain is not exactly asexuality. I can't really read your mind though, so if you lied and told me you were not attracted to anyone I wouldn't really know the difference.

But either way, I don't see why people "claiming" asexuality is a problem*. It makes the word less exactly rigorous, maybe, but most of the vocabulary regarding sex and sexual orientation is non-technical and has vague definitions and complicated edge cases.


*I can imagine someone who is asexual bothered by someone else claiming the term, but I don't think that's what you have in mind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 28, 2015, 12:06:18 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/14o7jow.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 28, 2015, 11:58:54 am
2deep4me
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on February 28, 2015, 12:34:26 pm
[Citation Needed]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on February 28, 2015, 02:21:41 pm
Chess is totes part of the evulz of the kyriarchy, gais!

This better be a poe...

(click to show/hide)

Best parts of this tirade are the "EVERYTHING IS A PHALLIC SYMBOL", "PAWNS ARE TOTES TRANS", and "NOT CAPTURING THE QUEEN IS MISOGYNY!".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: starseeker on February 28, 2015, 03:29:39 pm
I wonder if they know that the Queen was the Grand Vizier in the Indian versions of chess.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on February 28, 2015, 04:10:00 pm
Quote from: starseeker on February 28, 2015, 03:29:39 pm
I wonder if they know that the Queen was the Grand Vizier in the Indian versions of chess.

Well that's even worse then because it means that women aren't represented at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 28, 2015, 04:15:26 pm
So, uh... where are all these well-documented gay royal couples that are apparently all over the place (yet no examples are given)?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 28, 2015, 04:21:42 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on February 28, 2015, 02:21:41 pm
Chess is totes part of the evulz of the kyriarchy, gais!

This better be a poe...

(click to show/hide)

Best parts of this tirade are the "EVERYTHING IS A PHALLIC SYMBOL", "PAWNS ARE TOTES TRANS", and "NOT CAPTURING THE QUEEN IS MISOGYNY!".

Troll. Can't find the original tumblr to confirm, but still. This is not subtle.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 28, 2015, 05:53:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/0QDpJwE.jpg)

People see colors differently. I don't get how this is triggering.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on February 28, 2015, 07:01:21 pm
I have to admit, though, that dress is the stupidest viral thing to come out in a while.  Its literally a picture of an article of clothing taken with a camera that's got terrible contrast.  Its not confusing, its not strange, its just annoying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on February 28, 2015, 07:06:14 pm
What dress picture is this? I don't even know what the hell this idiot is on about.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on February 28, 2015, 08:41:45 pm
It's just a pic of a dress taken with different lighting affects:

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/science-one-agrees-color-dress/

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 01, 2015, 12:11:00 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2zz48cx.jpg)

As opposed to a figurative transphobic Nazi?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 01, 2015, 02:16:11 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 01, 2015, 12:11:00 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2zz48cx.jpg)

As opposed to a figurative transphobic Nazi?
Nah Nazis are all literal, haven't you hear how fanatical they get over grammar?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on March 01, 2015, 04:37:26 am
Quote from: askold on March 01, 2015, 02:16:11 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 01, 2015, 12:11:00 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2zz48cx.jpg)

As opposed to a figurative transphobic Nazi?
Nah Nazis are all literal, haven't you hear how fanatical they get over grammar?

Dammit, beaten to it!   Askold, get out of my brain!  :p
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 01, 2015, 06:31:15 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on March 01, 2015, 04:37:26 am
Quote from: askold on March 01, 2015, 02:16:11 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 01, 2015, 12:11:00 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2zz48cx.jpg)

As opposed to a figurative transphobic Nazi?
Nah Nazis are all literal, haven't you hear how fanatical they get over grammar?

Dammit, beaten to it!   Askold, get out of my brain!  :p

Grammar untermenschen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 01, 2015, 06:54:29 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 01, 2015, 12:11:00 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2zz48cx.jpg)

As opposed to a figurative transphobic Nazi?

...yes?

Some people are, in fact, neo-nazis. Others are called such as an insult. So if the person in question was an actual neo-nazi, it makes perfect sense to add "literal" to clarify that. Not sure if this was the case, since the name is erased.

Also, "Have you considered you might be trans?" seems like a perfectly reasonable suggestion to someone with gender issues. Not sure what's so objectionable here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 01, 2015, 07:11:35 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on March 01, 2015, 06:54:29 pm
Also, "Have you considered you might be trans?" seems like a perfectly reasonable suggestion to someone with gender issues. Not sure what's so objectionable here.

That is, unless you are preoccupied about who is and isn't a "true" transperson.

Radfems tried that with feminism. It didn't work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 02, 2015, 05:18:55 am
Quote from: SpaceProg on March 01, 2015, 04:37:26 am
Quote from: askold on March 01, 2015, 02:16:11 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 01, 2015, 12:11:00 am
As opposed to a figurative transphobic Nazi?
Nah Nazis are all literal, haven't you hear how fanatical they get over grammar?

Dammit, beaten to it!   Askold, get out of my brain!  :p
NEVER! It is nice and comfy here. Plenty of room too. ...You could build a nice home here as long as you can ignore the ,ahem... "Things" in the lockers (my, my. There certainly are a lot of them.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 03, 2015, 09:45:56 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/242gcox.jpg)

Guys masculinity is toxic and fragile, lololololol!!!!!1!!1!1!

Omg you're male rape victim????1!?!??!1 Lolololololol not manly enough.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 04, 2015, 02:59:40 pm
So what about male children who have been raped? How are they supposed to be "manly" when they haven't even reached puberty yet?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mythbuster43 on March 04, 2015, 03:35:24 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 03, 2015, 09:45:56 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/242gcox.jpg)

Guys masculinity is toxic and fragile, lololololol!!!!!1!!1!1!

Omg you're male rape victim????1!?!??!1 Lolololololol not manly enough.

I like how one of them misspelled "misogyny" in the fucking tumblr tag.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 04, 2015, 05:33:50 pm
They're clearly talking about distrust and irrational hatred of mahogany.

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"What I eat shouldn’t matter, and is a personal choice!"

Okay. I’m going to go kill some dogs, cats, and humans maybe even some cute lil bunnies and eat them. Just be sure to remember that it’s my “personal choice.” Stop judging me, gosh! I mean you were the one who said we shouldn’t judge anyone for what they eat!!! Circle of life!!

I have nothing against you eating dog, cat and bunny, but if you eat humans, be prepared for the Hannibal Lector jokes in prison.

That is the difference - society accepts eating any animal, but killing a human is a crime.

In fact, according to some of my friend "cute little bunnie" tastes delicious, and it'd be a fitting revenge on the species for scaring the shit outta me through that fucker Spring Trap.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on March 04, 2015, 05:45:13 pm
I can testify that rabbit is seriously delicious. I have not, however, had dog or cat. Would eat a dog but I suspect eating cat would give you some nasty cat disease. Also not eating rat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 04, 2015, 06:11:07 pm
Time for some Animal Rights / Animal Liberation crazies.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/62b5cf118dc04e6cbd33a1a9ec6a5db1/tumblr_mruzeqeVur1s73765o1_500.jpg)

(http://Nonvegans who share cute pictures and videos of cows and pigs and chickens, marveling at how adorable they are…YOU LITERALLY PAY MONEY TO HAVE THOSE ANIMALS BRUTALLY SLAUGHTERED SO THAT YOU CAN EAT THEIR FLESH WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU)

Do you want the full DSM answer? Or the nonformal answer someone immersed in pop culture would give?

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/c6acdc1d576137b9c6807c478b7dde75/tumblr_mg2vamh5NL1s11jy9o1_1280.jpg)

Speak for yourselves. You do not get to speak for me. I speak for me. Me and me alone.

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"It's just meat, gosh!"

No, it isn’t, you moron.

Animals aren’t willfully lining up to die just so you can taste their flesh in some addicting frenzy. If it isn’t necessary, stop.

So if something isn't necessary, you shouldn't do it. Should come as a big shock to Facebook users.

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Let's be clear- a "personal preference" is choosing blue over yellow, not whether you want to participate in murder for fucking lunch.

Yes, I fondly remember slashing the pig's throat, baking it, slicing its ribs out, and then once it was fully prepared by myself, I then served it to myself at a restaurant.

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These meat-eaters who say they “love” animals really frighten me.

Like what if they “love” me one day too?

What if they “love” me so much that I find myself being roasted over a fire for a nice afternoon lunch?

Eugh.

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“Yes, my carnist friend. You have the right to eat whatever you want. But you have to remember that your rights end where the rights of another begin. Non-human animals have every right to live their lives free of harm just like we do, and as soon as your ‘right to eat what you want’ interferes with that, you’ve crossed a line.”

Okay, lets see you try and stop me.

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Natasha // 18 // vegan // Sunshine Coast, Australia // indigo starchild // orion soul // INTP/INFP // taken x Instagram: @natasharghh  ~ Scare the

Ohhh boy...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 04, 2015, 09:45:02 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 04, 2015, 05:33:50 pm
They're clearly talking about distrust and irrational hatred of mahogany.

Quote
"What I eat shouldn’t matter, and is a personal choice!"

Okay. I’m going to go kill some dogs, cats, and humans maybe even some cute lil bunnies and eat them. Just be sure to remember that it’s my “personal choice.” Stop judging me, gosh! I mean you were the one who said we shouldn’t judge anyone for what they eat!!! Circle of life!!

I have nothing against you eating dog, cat and bunny, but if you eat humans, be prepared for the Hannibal Lector jokes in prison.

That is the difference - society accepts eating any animal, but killing a human is a crime.

In fact, according to some of my friend "cute little bunnie" tastes delicious, and it'd be a fitting revenge on the species for scaring the shit outta me through that fucker Spring Trap.

I kind of see their point. The person saying that what you eat is morally neutral because it's a personal choice is wrong, and "ok, gonna eat some people now" is the exactly correct answer to such fallacious reasoning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 04, 2015, 09:59:16 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/do87l3.jpg)

My boss is a black woman.  Your analogy just blew up in your face.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on March 04, 2015, 11:18:26 pm
Wait, you can fire your boss 'cause she's a black woman? Does that then make you the boss, like Klingon rules?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on March 05, 2015, 12:00:55 am
No, for that to count in Klingon society you would actually have to kill your boss in a duel.

Oh, and about meat-eating: Why don't you go back about 20,000 years and use that "you wouldn't eat a real animal" crap on your ancestors? I'm sure they'll totally be all broken up about it being a real mammoth. :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 05, 2015, 01:00:42 am
I would totally eat a real cow if I had one and had the courage to kill it.

And I would never eat a cat, even if I was starving and it was my only option.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 05, 2015, 08:42:16 am
I'd eat a human before I'd eat a cat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 05, 2015, 09:48:30 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on March 05, 2015, 08:42:16 am
I'd eat a human before I'd eat a cat.
Mmm...long pig.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 05, 2015, 10:03:30 am
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if a truscum trans man ever intentionally misgenders you need to fight back 10 times as hard

remind him in detail about the fact that he still has tits if he does, point out that you can see his binder through his shirt, make fun of his nonexistent dick, remind him that he will never experience the joy of having a fully functioning penis

wait for his reaction and then laugh

You should be a cunt because he has one! /s

Seriously though, intentionally triggering someone's dysphoria is absolutely fucking despicable.  It's like telling someone with social anxiety that everyone is just pretending to like them and laughs about them behind their back.  Or giving someone with depression a list of reasons not to get out of bed.  Or spiking the coffee at an AA meeting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 05, 2015, 10:21:43 am
Person in quote: ever heard of the term "Disproportionate retribution"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 05, 2015, 10:48:34 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 05, 2015, 10:21:43 am
Person in quote: ever heard of the term "Disproportionate retribution"?
Definitely and they love everything about it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 05, 2015, 11:55:05 am
Louis Farrakhan's distaff counterpart?

Quote from: Curvesincolor
1. Jewish people have ALWAYS been predominately made up of white people.
2. It isn’t anti-Semitic to promote the FACT that White Jews are overly sensitive and they continue to use the Holocaust for sympathy and financial gain. 
3. The exact point I was making is that White Jews have received extremely prosperous reparations and more than generous compensation from Germany, Belgium, Austria, America, and the United Nations, all while stealing land and murdering thousands of people of color in Palestine. THESES ARE FACTS, THIS IS REALITY AND IT’S NOT ANTI-SEMITIC TO SPEAK THE TRUTH.
4. The next point I was making is why hasn’t Africans, Asians, Latinos, and Natives been compensated and have museums and statues promoted in our honor reminding the world of what we as people of color went through for 275 odd years?
5. Why weren’t POC given Europe like America and the United Nations gave Palestine to the White Jews?
6. Again, White people suffered through the Holocaust for 11 years and they were generously compensated for that horrid nightmare, BUT where are POC’s compensation for 275 years of slavey, murder, rape, torture, genocide, robbery, the building of the world’s economy, and for providing continuous strenuous labor to this day?
7. Jewish people ARE NOT OPPRESSED IN ANY FUCKING WAY!
8. Jewish People are NOT POC, because JUDAISM IS A RELIGION AND NOT A RACE OF PEOPLE.
9. Random Fact: There are 18 million Jews world wide, and POC make up LESS THAN 1% of that population of Jews. White people make up 99% of the Jewish population.
10. You do realize that the United Nations illegally gave Palestine to the White Jews because the White Christians of America {THE BIGGEST SUPPORTERS OF ZIONISM} informed the United Nations to do so, RIGHT?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 05, 2015, 03:45:24 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 05, 2015, 11:55:05 am
Louis Farrakhan's distaff counterpart?

Quote from: Curvesincolor
1. Jewish people have ALWAYS been predominately made up of white people.
2. It isn’t anti-Semitic to promote the FACT that White Jews are overly sensitive and they continue to use the Holocaust for sympathy and financial gain. 
3. The exact point I was making is that White Jews have received extremely prosperous reparations and more than generous compensation from Germany, Belgium, Austria, America, and the United Nations, all while stealing land and murdering thousands of people of color in Palestine. THESES ARE FACTS, THIS IS REALITY AND IT’S NOT ANTI-SEMITIC TO SPEAK THE TRUTH.
4. The next point I was making is why hasn’t Africans, Asians, Latinos, and Natives been compensated and have museums and statues promoted in our honor reminding the world of what we as people of color went through for 275 odd years?
5. Why weren’t POC given Europe like America and the United Nations gave Palestine to the White Jews?
6. Again, White people suffered through the Holocaust for 11 years and they were generously compensated for that horrid nightmare, BUT where are POC’s compensation for 275 years of slavey, murder, rape, torture, genocide, robbery, the building of the world’s economy, and for providing continuous strenuous labor to this day?
7. Jewish people ARE NOT OPPRESSED IN ANY FUCKING WAY!
8. Jewish People are NOT POC, because JUDAISM IS A RELIGION AND NOT A RACE OF PEOPLE.
9. Random Fact: There are 18 million Jews world wide, and POC make up LESS THAN 1% of that population of Jews. White people make up 99% of the Jewish population.
10. You do realize that the United Nations illegally gave Palestine to the White Jews because the White Christians of America {THE BIGGEST SUPPORTERS OF ZIONISM} informed the United Nations to do so, RIGHT?

Well, at least she's not a Holocaust denier, I guess.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 05, 2015, 04:52:11 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 05, 2015, 03:45:24 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 05, 2015, 11:55:05 am
Louis Farrakhan's distaff counterpart?

Quote from: Curvesincolor
1. Jewish people have ALWAYS been predominately made up of white people.
2. It isn’t anti-Semitic to promote the FACT that White Jews are overly sensitive and they continue to use the Holocaust for sympathy and financial gain. 
3. The exact point I was making is that White Jews have received extremely prosperous reparations and more than generous compensation from Germany, Belgium, Austria, America, and the United Nations, all while stealing land and murdering thousands of people of color in Palestine. THESES ARE FACTS, THIS IS REALITY AND IT’S NOT ANTI-SEMITIC TO SPEAK THE TRUTH.
4. The next point I was making is why hasn’t Africans, Asians, Latinos, and Natives been compensated and have museums and statues promoted in our honor reminding the world of what we as people of color went through for 275 odd years?
5. Why weren’t POC given Europe like America and the United Nations gave Palestine to the White Jews?
6. Again, White people suffered through the Holocaust for 11 years and they were generously compensated for that horrid nightmare, BUT where are POC’s compensation for 275 years of slavey, murder, rape, torture, genocide, robbery, the building of the world’s economy, and for providing continuous strenuous labor to this day?
7. Jewish people ARE NOT OPPRESSED IN ANY FUCKING WAY!
8. Jewish People are NOT POC, because JUDAISM IS A RELIGION AND NOT A RACE OF PEOPLE.
9. Random Fact: There are 18 million Jews world wide, and POC make up LESS THAN 1% of that population of Jews. White people make up 99% of the Jewish population.
10. You do realize that the United Nations illegally gave Palestine to the White Jews because the White Christians of America {THE BIGGEST SUPPORTERS OF ZIONISM} informed the United Nations to do so, RIGHT?

Well, at least she's not a Holocaust denier, I guess.

Even worse.

Quote from: Curvesincolor
I know Nazi’s killed “White Jews” because of their shady business transactions and deals that left Germany bankrupt. I know poor and common white people kill “White Jews” because of White Jewish people like Bernie Madoff.
I’ve NEVER heard of a Jewish person being hated or killed because they practice Judaism. The disdain always stems from some form of shady financial corruption in which is always orchestrated and operated by a self-identifying “White Jew”.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 05, 2015, 05:07:12 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 05, 2015, 04:52:11 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 05, 2015, 03:45:24 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 05, 2015, 11:55:05 am
Louis Farrakhan's distaff counterpart?

Quote from: Curvesincolor
1. Jewish people have ALWAYS been predominately made up of white people.
2. It isn’t anti-Semitic to promote the FACT that White Jews are overly sensitive and they continue to use the Holocaust for sympathy and financial gain. 
3. The exact point I was making is that White Jews have received extremely prosperous reparations and more than generous compensation from Germany, Belgium, Austria, America, and the United Nations, all while stealing land and murdering thousands of people of color in Palestine. THESES ARE FACTS, THIS IS REALITY AND IT’S NOT ANTI-SEMITIC TO SPEAK THE TRUTH.
4. The next point I was making is why hasn’t Africans, Asians, Latinos, and Natives been compensated and have museums and statues promoted in our honor reminding the world of what we as people of color went through for 275 odd years?
5. Why weren’t POC given Europe like America and the United Nations gave Palestine to the White Jews?
6. Again, White people suffered through the Holocaust for 11 years and they were generously compensated for that horrid nightmare, BUT where are POC’s compensation for 275 years of slavey, murder, rape, torture, genocide, robbery, the building of the world’s economy, and for providing continuous strenuous labor to this day?
7. Jewish people ARE NOT OPPRESSED IN ANY FUCKING WAY!
8. Jewish People are NOT POC, because JUDAISM IS A RELIGION AND NOT A RACE OF PEOPLE.
9. Random Fact: There are 18 million Jews world wide, and POC make up LESS THAN 1% of that population of Jews. White people make up 99% of the Jewish population.
10. You do realize that the United Nations illegally gave Palestine to the White Jews because the White Christians of America {THE BIGGEST SUPPORTERS OF ZIONISM} informed the United Nations to do so, RIGHT?

Well, at least she's not a Holocaust denier, I guess.

Even worse.

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I know Nazi’s killed “White Jews” because of their shady business transactions and deals that left Germany bankrupt. I know poor and common white people kill “White Jews” because of White Jewish people like Bernie Madoff.
I’ve NEVER heard of a Jewish person being hated or killed because they practice Judaism. The disdain always stems from some form of shady financial corruption in which is always orchestrated and operated by a self-identifying “White Jew”.

So she's a victim-blamer.  I wonder if she understands that a lot of the same shit was used as justification for abuse against African-Americans.  Like, "this one black guy may or may not have raped a white woman, so let's go burn down this black neighborhood!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 05, 2015, 05:09:31 pm
The only thing worse than a Holocaust denier, and she managed it: A holocaust justifier.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 05, 2015, 05:33:17 pm
And the boomerang effect has gone full circle - Radflake Nazis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 05, 2015, 06:13:22 pm
We need a name for the neo-nazi (sorry, National Socilist) special snowflake types.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on March 05, 2015, 06:16:49 pm
An antisemite and a holocaust justifier, yes. That isn't enough to make her a nazi. That term shouldn't be used so lightly that it loses its meaning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 05, 2015, 06:55:10 pm
Jeez, stop being such a Nazi about me using the term Nazi, you Term Nazi.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 05, 2015, 11:43:03 pm
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So I’m in a drama piece where I have to play a heterosexual male because I’m the “only boy.” Implying all boys are supposed to be heterosexual. I’m done with this heteronormative bullshit. Oh well, at least my lesbian friend is playing my girlfriend. And the drama teacher has no idea…

Gay actors playing straight characters?  That never happens!

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 06, 2015, 02:21:41 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 05, 2015, 05:09:31 pm
The only thing worse than a Holocaust denier, and she managed it: A holocaust justifier.
Funny thing. A lot of the Holocaust deniers I've seen are usually the type to alternate between "NO, the Holocaust definitely did not happen" and "...But wouldn't it be awesome if it had?" (Or the ones who simply claim that the numbers are wrong who then sigh as they wish that that all the Jews had really been killed.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 06, 2015, 08:52:12 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/5c16c6.jpg)

Stupid bitch, listen the fuck here.  Men can be raped.  An erection can happen from fear, from stress, from standing up too quickly, it does NOT mean consent or even arousal!  But hey, since you think it does, I guess women who get wet or experience an orgasm during rape weren't really raped, right?

Fuck you.  Fuck you entirely, you disgusting, ass-backwards bitch.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 07, 2015, 11:13:16 am
When the "cultural appropriation" crowd goes too far. (https://storify.com/debaoki/do-you-have-to-be-japanese-to-make-manga)

This is a chilling effect, my friends.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 07, 2015, 05:48:01 pm
Just for this, I am going to write a story set in Japan.

It'll be a Social Justice Crusader's worst nightmare.

If that Jem woman calls me rude / shitty / problematic, I know I'll have accomplished my goal
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 07, 2015, 06:57:12 pm

The Japanese write about people and places outside of Japan all the time. There are even mangas dedicated to non-Japanese characters. The Count of Monte Cristo, Hamlet, Dracula, even Sherlock Holmes.
The point is anyone can write a story or comic in any setting. As long as they aren't purposely trying to stenotype the Japanese then there really shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on March 07, 2015, 07:16:47 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 07, 2015, 06:57:12 pm

The Japanese write about people and places outside of Japan all the time. There are even mangas dedicated to non-Japanese characters. The Count of Monte Cristo, Hamlet, Dracula, even Sherlock Holmes.
The point is anyone can write a story or comic in any setting. As long as they aren't purposely trying to stenotype the Japanese then there really shouldn't be a problem.

Heck, I've even seen a manga version of Les Mis. But remember, to SJWs like those, it's only bad if white people do it!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 07, 2015, 07:36:30 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 07, 2015, 06:57:12 pm

The Japanese write about people and places outside of Japan all the time. There are even mangas dedicated to non-Japanese characters. The Count of Monte Cristo, Hamlet, Dracula, even Sherlock Holmes.
The point is anyone can write a story or comic in any setting. As long as they aren't purposely trying to stenotype the Japanese then there really shouldn't be a problem.

And to Tumblr SJWs, that's fine.  After all, it's just white culture that the Japanese are putting their own artistic spin on.  But if a white person even breaths on any other culture on the planet, it's the biggest sin since the Fall.

Ironbite-really do hate SJWs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 08, 2015, 01:47:45 am
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/f8b9e6b9268ef1439aecbe8a4e83ec30/tumblr_nkp420l7KT1u00qgto1_400.jpg)

Irony - Tumblrinas love sticking labels on things and telling people what they can and cannot write.

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you know how if you don’t wash your nipples properly they get those weird crust beads on em composed of like, dead nipple skin and shirt felt and boob sweat?

truscum is that. it’s that nipple crust.

Now for some better news - people trolling SJWs.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/93730f89bf665ea17dae0c9723341ca1/tumblr_nkvknxVD2B1u8bnulo1_540.jpg)

You folks are insane.

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My ideal world: Silent Hill mixed with Night Vale that is safe for disabled people and children. Who’s in

You folks are fucking insane.

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its been a while since ive osted in here. in the probable case that everyone forgot about me, here it is: im a prophet who worships gods of violence/death/destrustion/etc and im looking for more gods to serve? hmu

oh. for. fuck. sakes.

KHORNE.

GO WORSHIP HIM IN THE WARP.

LEAVE THIS REALM OF REALITY

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hey if ur divine talk to me!! espec. if ur an apocalypse god or like..a prophet.

...this must be the most fucking nuts thing to sprout from Tumblr since the Tucutes

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I just /had/ to share the good news because I’m soo happy! First, my SO is making a shrine blog for me, and second, someone said their gods gave them a message about something and she’s sure its about me! I’m so excited, its been such a great day!

Translation; I manipulated my SO into making a shrine blog devoted to me, and I continue to manipulate others through the graces of the Social Justice blogosphere.

Man, with the kinds of things these people do, I'm tempted to make such a profile myself if only for the advantages and the capability to really exert myself.

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Does anyone else ever run their tongue along their teeth and think “these should be sharper”

No.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/a67855f88bccde3f8412646dc58b145c/tumblr_nhn1frqskz1tdfsmxo1_1280.png)

So crazy. Much Dandy.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/83bf90c9315576ca191c883cc6f4974e/tumblr_nj43g4pKxW1u8739jo1_540.png)

Hello Dandy Mott. Glad to see you reincarnated.

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neurotypical aes and story bloggers need to step the fuck off mentally ill kids brain weird posts . like 95% of the time when you see a “im able to bring nations to my knees. why am i trapped in this vessel” type posts they’re by neurodivergent kids and aren’t about some poet

Does not stop me from mocking them.

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take back abandoned holy spaces. feel the vines crawling up your legs. go into the wilderness. go into the wilderness with fifteen dollars and come out singing your own name. remove the crosses and dig your own altars with dirt under your nails splinters in your feet and wine in your mouth.

I'll say it again, you are fucking insane. And literally an American Horror Story villain.

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tonight is daylight savings time! tonight at 2 AM (sunday, march 8, 2015), the clocks will go forward one hour. most computers and phones will automatically set the time forward, you are not hallucinating or dissociating. please spread to let those with trouble with time know!

Shit Rich College Kids Say knows the score on Daylight Savings Time.

Sigh

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Stop getting culturally appropriative tattoos 2k15

No, this won't stop me from getting my Fin Fang Foom tattoo.

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Solomon Linda, a South African musician, wrote “The Lion Sleeps Tonight” in 1939. In 1961, Brooklyn band the Tokens recorded the song, and “The Lion Sleeps Tonight” went on to reach the top of the charts (and eventually The Lion King). 

In 2000, Rolling Stone wrote a history of the song aptly titled, “In the Jungle: How American music legends made millions off the work of a Zulu tribesman who died a pauper.” The original African lyrics were warped into gibberish because none of the American singers could understand the words; American audiences wanted an exotic song without any of the political trappings. “The Lion Sleeps Tonight” is a perfect example of how not to culturally appropriate music.

Now The Lion King is Cultural Appropriation.

What next? Is Scar a racist villain because the evil lion has dark fur?

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/e125caf65cb0938c355a7df475a5b683/tumblr_njziwld1QH1qz5uc4o1_540.jpg)

Tumblr...its spreading. Its like a bubonic plague on the internet.

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You know what, white people?

Go ahead. Go on and rock those matted clumps of shit you call “dreads”. Rock them stankin shits like the world is ending. Please, continue to drag yourself so black people don’t have to. Drag yourselves and go out in public with them shits. Do it so poc can continue to laugh at you, or slowly back away because you smell like mildew and mold, or so our kids can point at you and say “what is that on their head mommy” lmao. Please, drag yourselves. Go on. Cause for some reason y’all the only ones that can’t see that it looks like pure caca. So go ahead. Rock your “dreads”. Give poc a reason to laugh at you even more and mumble to themselves “white people”. (:

TUMBLR IS ANGRY WITH YOU FOR DRESSING HOW YOU LIKE. DO NOT ANGER THE TUMBLRINA COLLECTIVE.

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    "Allaah" is literally just the Arabic word for "God." if you’re a non-Muslim speaking English, using "Allaah" instead of "God" when referring to Islam is:

    1) nonsensical because there’s no reason to insert one Arabic word into an otherwise all-English sentence;

    2) erasive of Arabic speakers of other religions who also use the word “Allaah;”

    and 3) a racist and Islamophobic microaggression intended to make Muslims seem foreign and ‘other’ by obscuring the fact that the Abrahamic religions all worship the same God

Again by college kids blog. MICROAGGRESSION. MUH MICROAGGRESSION.

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hi, i’m Jo. i’m 19 years old living in Wisconsin. i’m a transethnic, transfat, transabled otherkin. i’m also autistic, bipolar, and clinically depressed. don’t tell me that my identity is not valid just because i appear to be a cisethnic, cisgendered, able-bodied white male. you don’t know the type of oppression i face as an obese Korean tabby cat with only three legs.

Now for a parody. You deserve the laugh.

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Jenn here.

Some things that happened today:

1. Made ramen with edamame, bok choy, and fried tofu.

2. Was so good that I made another bowl of it immediately after finishing the first bowl.

3. Put half a jar of peanut butter with chocolate chips in glass for dessert.

4. Mom saw me eating it. She asked how much peanut butter I used and I told her.

5. She got angry and told me I might as well eat the rest of the peanut butter in the jar since I “obviously want to die young from a heart attack.”

6. I opened up the fridge and got out the jar of peanut butter intending to eat it since she said I could.

7. She got even angrier and told me she was just being sarcastic and asked me how stupid I was. She then picked up my dessert glass and threw it onto the floor.

8. She grabbed a bottle of wine and stormed out of the kitchen. I called her a fatphobic, transfatphobic, body shaming, alcoholic bully.

9. I cleaned up the mess of peanut butter, chocolate, and broken glass. As I was doing so, I suddenly had some vivid memories of my past life as a tortoise. I think they were triggered by the Japanese food I had eaten. I recalled the family I had lived with. I was able to see their faces and hear them speaking this time. They were Japanese. They had a son who looked like he was about five or six. He put a lettuce leaf in front of me.

This could explain why I have been questioning my ethnicity and why I have been feeling like I might actually be Japanese. It’s because in a past life I was a Japanese tortoise! Now that I know the reason why I have felt like I may be transethnic, I am not sure if I should stop questioning my ethnicity and just identify as cisethnic or continue questioning my ethnicity as well as begin exploring the possibility that I may be tortoisekin. I really wish Algoral were here to guide me in the right direction.

Look, its Jenn again. or is it JUSTICE, in between blowing up a Chantry and possessing a whiny bisexual from Fereldan.

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I can’t wait to absorb the racist, imperialist KKKonstitution of AmeriKKKa into my phantom fat too. Then we womyn of size/color can finally be free of cracker domination!

Either this is a parody, or this is the most hilarious thing ever. Sounds like Assata Shakur.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/d397e8a108f63c15d9ba39c8a623b865/tumblr_mri7acGMDT1ryeto5o1_500.png)

Oldie but goodie.

TRIGGERING INTENSIFIES.

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To the people making fun of my transfat identification:

How disrespectful that you can’t open your mind for one fucking second, or at least keep your mouth shut.

Look, I can’t afford to become the way my soul knows I am at this point in my life. I try to pick up extra food or make sure my day includes as little activity as possible, but its not easy.

My phantom fat painfully reminds me in every waking moment that there should be more of me, and that I’m not complete without it.

So when you make these hateful jokes, it is very triggering that you can’t see past the same thin privilege that I suffer and also benefit from on a daily basis.

Very well. I will try my hardest to trigger you, I will trigger you when you wake, I will trigger you when you sleep, I will unendingly trigger you, you will achieve no reprieve from the triggering I bequeath from me to you, for the triggering shall never end. Not even death will spare you from my triggering, for when you die I will conjure your spirit with a Ouija Board and then trigger it!

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I finally came out as transfat to my parents.

They have thin privilege so of course they didn’t understand, but it feels really good to get it all out in the open.

AboutThinPrivilege again, being insane.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/4b23b0b644e591758fcc6bfe14db5bbc/tumblr_ml0tyhf7vY1snqzato1_1280.jpg)

Say hello to a Greater Daemon of Nurgle.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdvlttPiQa1qceh5uo1_1280.png)

If so, then I have an important announcement. Visibly I am an ugly dude.

Inside, I am a muscular paragon of masculinity. I...am TransMuscular.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/40d03b748b72591d5955882690ea42fd/tumblr_mgxs4plPCW1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Justice is out trying to smash the Normalism in Thedas.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/fd7d7e252623dda7cbd2527954190c9b/tumblr_n058a69Lgo1ryeto5o1_1280.png)

Jenn again, being an insane fat lunatic devoted to Nurgle.

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If you are….

• Fictionkin
•Therian
•Multiple System
•Demonkin or Angelkin
•Ghostkin
•Spacekin or Alienkin
•Catkin
•ANY Otherkin

Reblog and like this and I’ll follow you!

Oh for fuck sakes

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/d939718a00e50b3abea1ba3ef6a29df0/tumblr_n6teqw5Vuz1s514nio1_1280.png)

Fictionkin. Still a thing.

I am not stopping any time soon. I will continue mocking them.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/ad8e37848c3cef2a2b94d4944875d98a/tumblr_n2t75lhkWS1s514nio1_400.png)

UNDEAD RACCOON.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/ab79b262e2c3b40dbd80cae888a402ac/tumblr_n2t75lhkWS1s514nio2_1280.png)

Insanity and astrology. Go hand in hand.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/666fd73d19e4c24394560e81c5d69e87/tumblr_n2t75lhkWS1s514nio3_1280.png)

There's also some telpa / tulpa stuff flying around.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/18b3244b99e0a116c0350352304571a5/tumblr_n2t75lhkWS1s514nio6_400.png)

You heard her - only add if you're mutuals...

Then again, Trolls are famous for their respect for the rules and guidelines and triggers of other people.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/38d3c72a06d24826b8d7508eeb6f5234/tumblr_n2t75lhkWS1s514nio9_1280.png)

You have Aspergers, how am I not surprised.

CHRIS-CHAN HAS A NEW FRIEND.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/c17ef518cf0da71debb675a1119b9a3e/tumblr_n2t75lhkWS1s514nio10_1280.png)

wow.

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Dear singlets

    Multiplicity is real.
    Every multiple system is different.
    Every multiple system is valid.
    Every member of every multiple system is valid.
    Every member of every multiple system is different.
    Every system and even member of a multiple system copes with stuff in their own way.
    Those ways are valid as long as they’re not hurting others.
    No ~romanticising~ multiplicity (whatever the heck you even mean by that) is not hurting others.
    Stop trying to figure out if anyone is a fake or hate on those you deem fake or attention seekers – THIS HURTS REAL MULTIPLES FAR MORE THAN ANY FAKES!
    Stop policing us and our identities and the words and ways and concepts we use to express them.
    Stop trying to speak over us.
    Stop pathologizing and/or infantilising and/or romanticising us (There’s a difference between a singlet and a multiple doing that).

YOU CANNOT STOP ME.

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/416e7508c3ba1f5a50bf2d53c91b4187/tumblr_inline_n98xxsV6cC1sw5w64.jpg)

At least its gone.

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Consent from one member of a multiple system does not imply consent from anyone else in that system!

This should be obvious, but in a rape culture like this, it isn’t. If there’s a switch, that means you have to negotiate consent anew with a new person – if at all appropriate.

No. No. No fucking no.

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the phrase “the royal we” comes from the fact that all systems are majestic as fuck

If by majestic you mean batshit insane, then yes.

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Life in the Tegid System: sleep schedules

We haven’t much else to do at the moment, since we just got done doing some drawing and playing Pokemon Ruby… so we suppose we’ll just ramble a bit about the day-to-day affairs on the inside of our system.

First bit, functional hours:

diurnal: Kirke, Nikias, Rosie, Gale

semidiurnal: Total, Prim

nocturnal: Asher, Galateia, Leo, Niall, Ruby

always awake: Estael, Lorael

The body itself is on a biphasic sleep schedule most of the time, with a four-and-half-hour primary sleep between 6 AM and 10:30 AM and a two or three hour secondary sleep between either noon and 3:00 PM or between  3PM and 5PM, depending on the day of the week. The remaining hours are spent attending classes, giving piano lessons, managing errands and other logistics, doing homework, and enjoying free time.

The semidiurnal system members are usually awake starting two hours before the primary (body) sleep, around 4 AM, and they take their monophasic sleep when the sun gets too high. They wake again when the sun starts going down… so basically, they’re up and about in the mornings and evenings, with Prim being awake a bit into the night, and with Total awake a bit into the day.

The nocturnal system members are totally matched to the body’s sleep schedule.

The diurnal system members all use monophasic sleep, rising around 9 AM and going to bed shortly after nightfall.

So the pattern goes kinda’ like this:

(semidayshift awake)————————————————-(semidayshift awake)

—(dayshift awake————————————————-)————————-

———-(nightshift awake)———————-(nightshift awake———————-)-

8AM—9—-10:30——noon—1PM——3PM—-5PM———-midnight———6AM—

This means everybody is awake during our morning class, and then the semidiurnals immediately hit the hay, followed quickly by the biphasic nocturnals. The diurnals stay awake most of the day and then hit the hay a bit after the night folk wake up.  The semidiurnals then wake up about halfway into the night shift. There’s enough overlap for everybody to get time to interact with everybody else, if they want it.

Do you always plan your bullshit out this much?

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BEING A MULTIPLE SYSTEM OR OTHERKIN DOES NOT MAKE YOU MENTALLY ILL

Being a multiple system or otherkin does not make you mentally ill.

Being a multiple system or otherkin does not make you mentally ill.

Being a multiple system or otherkin does not make you mentally ill.

Being a multiple system or otherkin does not make you mentally ill.

This goes on for a while. Just repeating something enough does not make it more truer.

These people live truthiness.

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Bad news: new headmate.

Good news: new headmate!

Badder News: More Tumblrina Bullshit.

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If it makes white boys uncomfortable do it again

Radfem tag now.

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Feminism that includes men is not feminism at all

More radfems.

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Trust Your Perceptions is one of the most cutting-edge radical feminist sites in existence.

This ongoing series explores actual scientific facts regarding human reproduction that illustrate how males invade, harm, and use women’s bodies on a BIOLOGICAL and CELLULAR level.

For example, did you know that male genes effectively SILENCE female genes, and that sperm carries genetic information designed to override a woman’s genetic information and force fetuses to grow larger than they normally would? And that they also inject genetic information designed to prevent the female body from evolving to be able to reproducing asexually?

Check this out:

"A second silencing is called “Genomic Imprinting.” This occurs when an embryo is being made. The male targets certain genes on different female chromosomes, turns them off, and snaps his own genes — intrusive puzzle pieces with different instructions — in their place. Females likewise reciprocate. Scientists treat genomic imprinting as if it’s an equal tit-for-tat between the sexes. But this is incorrect. The female is acting in self-defense. Genomic imprinting serves males in several astonishing ways.

Most commonly, males use genomic imprinting to make sure they stick around. Males regularly disable female genes instructing for a small embryo, imposing their big embryo instructions instead. The female defensively counters, which only ends up tempering dudedictate.

When scientists merge two eggs, the embryo is tiny. But when they merge two sperm (you can’t merge two sperm; they irradiate an egg first then put their sperm donor contribution inside), the embryo is super-sized. Neither embryo lives. But what this shows us is that males try to make “their” embryo super-sized for maximum extraction of female reproductive resources. This is a merciless vampirism by the male of the female’s bodily resources, in the male interest of making females make bigboy dudebabies, ie, the successful perpetuation of their Y — at the expense of the female.”

Males silence, harm, invade, use, and colonize women on a level completely separate from ANY culture or socialization. Their DNA “knows” that if women could reproduce without them (and we could, with relatively little tweaking) that they will simply CEASE TO EXIST. Their very biology is flawed and dependent on sucking the life out of females, quite, quite literally.

It’s a long read and there are still at least 2 parts of the series as-yet unreleased. It is very much worth reading. This is legitimately the next level of radical feminist thinking and likely quite upsetting for some…for me it was liberating.

IT LIBERATED MY MIND FROM THE CONSTRAINTS OF SANITY HAIL THE CHAOS GODS 2016

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In honor of MSBC, this was the social justice chewout.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 08, 2015, 03:34:24 am
Presented without comment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 08, 2015, 03:43:35 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 07, 2015, 06:57:12 pm

The Japanese write about people and places outside of Japan all the time. There are even mangas dedicated to non-Japanese characters. The Count of Monte Cristo, Hamlet, Dracula, even Sherlock Holmes.
The point is anyone can write a story or comic in any setting. As long as they aren't purposely trying to stenotype the Japanese then there really shouldn't be a problem.

There is Sherlock Holmes anime where he is an anthro-dog (made by Miyazaki himself) and a manga where Holmes is reincarnated into the body of a puppy. (A puppy that smokes pipes, solves crimes and talks telepathically to the reincarnation of Watson, who is now a Japanese boy.)

And if anyone wants to complain about other cultures being misinterpreted in western fiction then I would point out that Manga and Anime often horribly butcher western religions and myths for their stories. But guess what? This is not a big deal. Sometimes a manga artist wants to have something "foreign sounding" in their story so they pick a random culture/religion and either use it (or misuse it if they aren't familiar with it) or simply take inspiration from it. There is often nothing malicous behind it.

Like this character for example, from Shaman King:
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"Chocolove McDonnel" an American Shaman. For some reason the english dub also edited his face everytime he is on the screen. (The character is one of the good guys and apart from his appearance there really is nothing racist in his portrayal.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 08, 2015, 03:54:53 am
Chocolove. Chocolove.

...WOW, Japan. Wow.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 08, 2015, 04:08:18 am
Quote from: niam2023 on March 08, 2015, 03:54:53 am
Chocolove. Chocolove.

...WOW, Japan. Wow.
Very chocolate. Much love.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 08, 2015, 04:17:44 am
From Niam's long post:

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/c17ef518cf0da71debb675a1119b9a3e/tumblr_n2t75lhkWS1s514nio10_1280.png)

I love how she says so much and nothing at all. It's like they're slapping all these labels on themselves to make up for a boring personality.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on March 08, 2015, 05:08:39 am
If some of these snowflakes collect neuroses and other disorders to feel special, than they can have mine.  Depression, anxiety, and OCD are NOT fun happy quirks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 08, 2015, 10:20:07 am
Quote from: askold on March 08, 2015, 03:43:35 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 07, 2015, 06:57:12 pm

The Japanese write about people and places outside of Japan all the time. There are even mangas dedicated to non-Japanese characters. The Count of Monte Cristo, Hamlet, Dracula, even Sherlock Holmes.
The point is anyone can write a story or comic in any setting. As long as they aren't purposely trying to stenotype the Japanese then there really shouldn't be a problem.

There is Sherlock Holmes anime where he is an anthro-dog (made by Miyazaki himself) and a manga where Holmes is reincarnated into the body of a puppy. (A puppy that smokes pipes, solves crimes and talks telepathically to the reincarnation of Watson, who is now a Japanese boy.)

And if anyone wants to complain about other cultures being misinterpreted in western fiction then I would point out that Manga and Anime often horribly butcher western religions and myths for their stories. But guess what? This is not a big deal. Sometimes a manga artist wants to have something "foreign sounding" in their story so they pick a random culture/religion and either use it (or misuse it if they aren't familiar with it) or simply take inspiration from it. There is often nothing malicous behind it.

Like this character for example, from Shaman King:
(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/shamanking/images/7/7e/Chocolove1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width/200?cb=20131208054303&path-prefix=en)
"Chocolove McDonnel" an American Shaman. For some reason the english dub also edited his face everytime he is on the screen. (The character is one of the good guys and apart from his appearance there really is nothing racist in his portrayal.)

Shit, that's nothin.  I give you the one, the only...Mr. Popo from Dragon Ball:

(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/0/6539/361450-mr_popo_01.jpg)

He's supposed to be a djinni, so his extreme appearance might be able to be explained, but still...fuck.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on March 08, 2015, 04:05:38 pm
Jynx (sp?) from Pokemon looked similar to Popo before they turned him/her/it purple.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 08, 2015, 04:16:56 pm
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My ideal world: Silent Hill mixed with Night Vale that is safe for disabled people and children. Who’s in
Nothing says "safe for disabled kids." like sword wielding tortures, authoritarian police forces, and portals to dimensions of monsters periodically opening up.

Quote
Does anyone else ever run their tongue along their teeth and think “these should be sharper”
I actually agree with this, it's annoying eating a rancid buffalo carcass and not being able to bite through cartilage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 08, 2015, 06:20:28 pm
From the bowels of Pharyngula's comment section (http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/03/08/its-that-day-of-the-year-again):
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Women get one day. Blacks get the shortest month of the year. White men get the rest of the time.

It's true. Calendar printers could save ink by not marking 336 days as "White Mens' Day".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2015, 06:27:23 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 08, 2015, 06:20:28 pm
From the bowels of Pharyngula's comment section (http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/03/08/its-that-day-of-the-year-again):
Quote
Women get one day. Blacks get the shortest month of the year. White men get the rest of the time.

It's true. Calendar printers could save ink by not marking 336 days as "White Mens' Day".

Black History Month is in February because it contains the birthdays of both Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass.

Oh, and women also have their own month:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_History_Month (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_History_Month)

In any case, you gotta love how this idiot divides the human race into blacks, women, and white men.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 09, 2015, 01:24:05 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/a402d.jpg)

And besides, Daylight Savings beings on a different day every year, whereas International Women's Day is always on March 8.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 09, 2015, 01:30:43 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 09, 2015, 01:24:05 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/a402d.jpg)

And besides, Daylight Savings beings on a different day every year, whereas International Women's Day is always on March 8.

You're using facts. Don't you understand how triggering that is?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 09, 2015, 02:21:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 09, 2015, 01:24:05 pm
And besides, Daylight Savings beings on a different day every year, whereas International Women's Day is always on March 8.

Stop oppressing me with your facts!

EDIT: Dammit, dpareja, I just read your comment. We're both oppressed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 09, 2015, 06:06:00 pm
YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME SO BAD!

Ironbite-CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 09, 2015, 09:48:28 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/35be9mc.jpg)

When someone interprets "she forced herself on me against my will" as "she wouldn't sleep with me", I think there's some glaring projection going on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 09, 2015, 09:49:08 pm
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Orange-County-University-Students-Vote-to-Ban-American-Flag-295473791.html (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Orange-County-University-Students-Vote-to-Ban-American-Flag-295473791.html)

THEY are coming for your flags, citizens! Buy or make as many AR-15s as you can, so we can overthrow our yuppie overlords!


Fabric is now officially oppression. Look at all of this colonialist oppression, shitlords! LOOK AT IT!

(http://blogs.dailyrecord.com/photojournalist/files/2009/02/iraq-flag-draped-coffins.jpg)

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In addition, the measure claimed that "freedom of speech, in a space that aims to be as inclusive as possible can be interpreted as hate speech."

Seriously, though. Start the AR factory up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 09, 2015, 10:20:37 pm
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n addition, the measure claimed that "freedom of speech, in a space that aims to be as inclusive as possible can be interpreted as hate speech."

Yeah, that's true. guess what? just fucking deal with it, bitches. your feelings aren't that important.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 09, 2015, 10:45:06 pm
I am utterly disgusted that these whiny little stains think their feelings are this important.

If you get hurt feelings, big deal, Tumblrina, that's life.

Or, if you're so fragile and breakable, get triggered and die choking on your vomit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 10, 2015, 12:04:27 am
Quote from: niam2023 on March 09, 2015, 10:45:06 pm
I am utterly disgusted that these whiny little stains think their feelings are this important.

If you get hurt feelings, big deal, Tumblrina, that's life.

Or, if you're so fragile and breakable, get triggered and die choking on your vomit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/killthosewhodisagree/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/killthosewhodisagree/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on March 10, 2015, 12:04:46 am
That's what the 1st Amendment is about, to protect unpopular and possibly offensive speech from government censorship.  UC Irvine is a public institution, so I could imagine them having problems with following through with the ban if it was ratified.  However, the student body leadership has vetoed the ban.

Nowhere in the U.S. constitution does it say explicitly that you have a right to never be offended.  College is a place for higher learning and growth of knowledge, not a daycare center for 18-22 year olds that will coddle them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 10, 2015, 12:10:00 am
Quote from: Kat S. on March 10, 2015, 12:04:46 am
That's what the 1st Amendment is about, to protect unpopular and possibly offensive speech from government censorship.  UC Irvine is a public institution, so I could imagine them having problems with following through with the ban if it was ratified.  However, the student body leadership has vetoed the ban.

Nowhere in the U.S. constitution does it say explicitly that you have a right to never be offended.  College is a place for higher learning and growth of knowledge, not a daycare center for 18-22 year olds that will coddle them.
Yeah, while I think the flag is unnecessarily worshipped (see:People finding flag burning more upsetting than black teens getting gunned down) but outright banning it is retarded and pointless.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 10, 2015, 02:07:10 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 09, 2015, 09:49:08 pm
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Orange-County-University-Students-Vote-to-Ban-American-Flag-295473791.html (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Orange-County-University-Students-Vote-to-Ban-American-Flag-295473791.html)

THEY are coming for your flags, citizens! Buy or make as many AR-15s as you can, so we can overthrow our yuppie overlords!


Fabric is now officially oppression. Look at all of this colonialist oppression, shitlords! LOOK AT IT!

(http://blogs.dailyrecord.com/photojournalist/files/2009/02/iraq-flag-draped-coffins.jpg)

Quote
In addition, the measure claimed that "freedom of speech, in a space that aims to be as inclusive as possible can be interpreted as hate speech."

Seriously, though. Start the AR factory up.

AR factory? Which one?

*looks at Colt, Armalite, DPMS, Aero Precision, Del-Ton, Bushmaster, FN, Daniel Defense, LaRue, Smith & Wesson, Spikes Tactical, Stag Arms, Troy, Windham Weaponry, and Wilson Combat*

Also, what the hell is this sudden obsession with protecting the feelings of grown fucking adults? No one wants to be uncomfortable but here's a news flash: growth requires discomfort. So grow up and stop acting like fucking children.

...I might be a little cranky.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 10, 2015, 10:01:57 am
Eh, you may be cranky, Damen, but you're right.  People need to stop being such whiny pussies when they get offended.  Get some skin, children.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 10, 2015, 10:18:03 am
Aren't these the same people who complain when someone who they don't like is offended? I am pretty sure that they are eager to give comments like "grow a pair" if someone is offended by their homophobic tirade but when someone says anything other than supreme praise about their favourite thing they are super-offended.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on March 10, 2015, 09:36:47 pm
Factkin
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 10, 2015, 11:20:44 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2csccaf.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 10, 2015, 11:48:26 pm
Wow.

So now "provable account of events" "Erases MY EXPERIENCES"!

Just when you think they cannot get more stupid.

What's next? Is one of them going to call facts triggering? Is one going to call requesting facts from them "something that triggers me"?

If anyone can find either of the above, it'll probably be good for a hoot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 11, 2015, 03:07:50 am
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/6fb1cdcbe5ed3e3c36fce82d2800d0bc/tumblr_nl0hs6RiWk1u00qgto1_540.png)

...Wat.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/5d8ce208ec9720c5900b33744936afd9/tumblr_nl0lo7iLrH1u00qgto1_500.png)

And now I just pictured Baghdadi fighting The Avengers while wearing Islamic Themed Power Armor.

Baghdadi: Fuahahahaha! Witness KALIPH! AND DESPAIR, AVENGERS!

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/aacc367f6ee232f82f84a9e8ebd0524d/tumblr_nl0hqxGUez1u00qgto1_540.png)

You are the lamest X-Man ever.

Yes, including the guy whose power is having every language remembered.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 11, 2015, 03:40:46 am
Quote from: niam2023 on March 11, 2015, 03:07:50 am
You are the lamest X-Man ever.

Yes, including the guy whose power is having every language remembered.

What about the guy whose power was that he could tear off his own arms? You know, "the Arm-fall-off-man."

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140908191635/marvel_dc/images/b/b6/AFOB_1.JPG)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 11, 2015, 04:25:32 am
Legion of Superheroes had that one.

They take anyone as long as they're "unique".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on March 11, 2015, 08:02:18 am
Quote from: niam2023 on March 11, 2015, 03:07:50 am

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/aacc367f6ee232f82f84a9e8ebd0524d/tumblr_nl0hqxGUez1u00qgto1_540.png)


Oddly enough, I see this argument a lot from people with severe bi-polar. They become so addicted to the manic highs that they stop taking their medication because life feels too colourless without the massive swings and the euphoric highs. Even though they dont even realize just how much harm they do to themselves and those close to them during their swings.

Its kind of sad really. I can fully understand someone with ADHD feeling the same. Being able to embrace something with the passion of someone with ADHD is something most will never be able to come close to. If only that passion could be maintained.

I do feel sorry for the people with bi-polar or ADHD. To function in normal society they need to take medication, but that must feel like being chemically lobotomized to them, like killing off an integral part of themselves.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 11, 2015, 11:12:42 am
Horseshoe theory in action:

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/vxgq51.jpg)

And the worst part?  She's not the only one.

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2niuyl3.jpg)

This is fucking despicable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 11, 2015, 11:43:35 am
That's equal to refusing any random male American student because "high school football team rape scandals!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 11, 2015, 11:52:30 am
It's also relatively easy to justify, though. Let me take a crack at it. Before I begin, let me state as a disclaimer that I do not agree with the actions taken by the Leipzig profprofessors, and only seek to try to understand their reasoning.

These students, these male students come from a society where rape is prevalent to the point where it seems almost encouraged. And while it's true that most Indian males likely don't rape people, one has to consider that the probprobability of the student you bring in being one of these males is higher than zero, and potentially even significant. Do you really want to take that chance, especially when by bringing in this student you're attaching your reputation to them?

tl;dr not all m&ms are poisoned
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on March 11, 2015, 12:10:21 pm
Leipzig University, you really wanna bring up national stereotypes? You sure you wanna go there? Are you really sure you wanna go there?

I bet you like posting videos online of you rubbing your own shit all over your body.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 11, 2015, 12:58:37 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on March 11, 2015, 12:10:21 pm
Leipzig University, you really wanna bring up national stereotypes? You sure you wanna go there? Are you really sure you wanna go there?

I bet you like posting videos online of you rubbing your own shit all over your body.

Nice bait-and-switch there, MadCat.   ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 11, 2015, 01:23:20 pm
There are a billion people in India. There is a social caste system that goes back for millennia. There is ancient endemic sexism in the various and sundry cultures in the Indian subcontinent. All true. And there is massive, ongoing national public outrage in India, with constant media exposure, about rape and rape culture. A lot of those Indian protestors and socio-political activists are college age men. But, sure, go ahead and dismiss them out of hand solely because of their nationality.

There are also many people here in the US that are blatant rape apologists. I doubt any of those American rape apologist types would be rejected instantly upon applying for entry to the Uni because they are Americans. Maybe they would be booted from Leipzig for a bad tweet or FB post on the topic later, but.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 11, 2015, 02:05:14 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 11, 2015, 03:07:50 am
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/5d8ce208ec9720c5900b33744936afd9/tumblr_nl0lo7iLrH1u00qgto1_500.png)

And now I just pictured Baghdadi fighting The Avengers while wearing Islamic Themed Power Armor.

Baghdadi: Fuahahahaha! Witness KALIPH! AND DESPAIR, AVENGERS!

Actually, now that I noticed this one, it is not that bad.

They are just pointing out that ISIS is pretty much a black and white villain and honestly, they are the closest thing we have to a comic book villain (although North Korean leadership would be closer to saturday morning cartoon villains, if they weren't killing and torturing people all the time. They certainly have the same ridicilous plans and common incompetence.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on March 11, 2015, 05:20:51 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 11, 2015, 11:12:42 am
Horseshoe theory in action:

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/vxgq51.jpg)

And the worst part?  She's not the only one.

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2niuyl3.jpg)

This is fucking despicable.

I'm guessing whoever wrote the letter never saw The Big Bang Theory.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 11, 2015, 05:27:50 pm
I have actual content to post!

(http://i.imgur.com/N5Rh0LV.jpg)

Just...fuck.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 11, 2015, 05:39:54 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 11, 2015, 05:27:50 pm
I have actual content to post!

(http://i.imgur.com/N5Rh0LV.jpg)

Just...fuck.

According to the notes, this is from a troll blog.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 11, 2015, 05:42:27 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on March 11, 2015, 05:39:54 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 11, 2015, 05:27:50 pm
I have actual content to post!

(http://i.imgur.com/N5Rh0LV.jpg)

Just...fuck.

According to the notes, this is from a troll blog.

The fact that it's so hard to tell says a lot, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on March 11, 2015, 08:22:00 pm
Here's something from a different source...

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/sandy-rios-obama-wouldnt-have-marched-selma-because-he-s-too-privileged (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/sandy-rios-obama-wouldnt-have-marched-selma-because-he-s-too-privileged)

Quote
Sandy Rios of the American Family Association took to her radio show today to blast President Obama for making remarks in favor of gay rights in his speech at the event marking the 50th anniversary of the Selma civil rights march. Rios said Obama, along with Attorney General Eric Holder and Rev. Al Sharpton, would never have marched in the Selma protests because they are too comfortable with their wealth and power.

“I can’t imagine the president and Eric Holder marching, knowing on that bridge that they might be giving their lives,” Rios said. “I find myself thinking that there is way too much privilege and pleasure and wealth in this new generation of black leaders to understand the sacrifices of their founding fathers of the Civil Rights Movement like Dr. Martin Luther King.”
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 11, 2015, 08:58:45 pm
I cannot understand this fetishization of founders the Republicans seem to enjoy.

You lot don't get to talk about the black leadership in such a way - you guys were the same people who opposed the implementation of African American Rights!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 11, 2015, 10:03:58 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/QJjhBl4l.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/mlvMsURl.jpg)
Oh, ADF.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 11, 2015, 10:18:43 pm
Um, Israel's population is mostly non-white.  And I don't think the I.A.E.A. raised objections to India getting the bomb.  But then again, when have radflakes ever considered facts?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 11, 2015, 11:19:24 pm
Jews aren't white? I grew up in Miami...and had no idea the Jews I dated were colored people, after all. Gee.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 11, 2015, 11:34:30 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on March 11, 2015, 11:19:24 pm
Jews aren't white? I grew up in Miami...and had no idea the Jews I dated were colored people, after all. Gee.

You seem to have misunderstood me.  Over half of Israel's Jewish population is Mizrahi, i.e. Middle Eastern.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 11, 2015, 11:41:18 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/MlS8BxP.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 12, 2015, 12:21:19 am
Let me guess, when my girlfriend offers to suck me off, she's "brainwashed" and "not thinking about privilege and feminism".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jessibel on March 12, 2015, 12:40:36 am
Well duh. In radfem land all women are secretly lesbians deep down. Heterosexual women are only with men because they're brainwashed by the patriarchy or they like all the social benefits they reap by pretending to like men. In a radfem's mind, a woman could never be with a guy just because- gasp- she happens to find men sexually attractive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 12, 2015, 03:50:41 am
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/5650b3799a57699a3ce867e163f1a6d7/tumblr_nl0huoDpea1u00qgto1_500.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 12, 2015, 10:08:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 11, 2015, 11:34:30 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on March 11, 2015, 11:19:24 pm
Jews aren't white? I grew up in Miami...and had no idea the Jews I dated were colored people, after all. Gee.

You seem to have misunderstood me.  Over half of Israel's Jewish population is Mizrahi, i.e. Middle Eastern.

So, "Middle Eastern" is a race now? Semites, you mean. Southern Europeans are genetically very close to Middle Easterners from centuries of over-lapping ancient nations and trade routes. Are Italians and Greeks, Albanians, Spaniards, the Portuguese and even the Romany also "not white"?

Granted that race is scientifically meaningless, it is nevertheless politically important . So, in Israel today, there are Jews who emigrated from Europe where their families had lived for centuries, and there are the Sephardic Jews who lived in the region all along, for many more centuries. Are the European Jews white, and the Sephardic not?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 12, 2015, 10:26:53 am
Quote from: mellenORL on March 12, 2015, 10:08:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 11, 2015, 11:34:30 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on March 11, 2015, 11:19:24 pm
Jews aren't white? I grew up in Miami...and had no idea the Jews I dated were colored people, after all. Gee.

You seem to have misunderstood me.  Over half of Israel's Jewish population is Mizrahi, i.e. Middle Eastern.

So, "Middle Eastern" is a race now? Semites, you mean. Southern Europeans are genetically very close to Middle Easterners from centuries of over-lapping ancient nations and trade routes. Are Italians and Greeks, Albanians, Spaniards, the Portuguese and even the Romany also "not white"?

Granted that race is scientifically meaningless, it is nevertheless politically important . So, in Israel today, there are Jews who emigrated from Europe where their families had lived for centuries, and there are the Sephardic Jews who lived in the region all along, for many more centuries. Are the European Jews white, and the Sephardic not?

You know, that's actually a good question.  How exactly does one define "white"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 12, 2015, 11:12:24 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 12, 2015, 10:26:53 am
Quote from: mellenORL on March 12, 2015, 10:08:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 11, 2015, 11:34:30 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on March 11, 2015, 11:19:24 pm
Jews aren't white? I grew up in Miami...and had no idea the Jews I dated were colored people, after all. Gee.

You seem to have misunderstood me.  Over half of Israel's Jewish population is Mizrahi, i.e. Middle Eastern.

So, "Middle Eastern" is a race now? Semites, you mean. Southern Europeans are genetically very close to Middle Easterners from centuries of over-lapping ancient nations and trade routes. Are Italians and Greeks, Albanians, Spaniards, the Portuguese and even the Romany also "not white"?

Granted that race is scientifically meaningless, it is nevertheless politically important . So, in Israel today, there are Jews who emigrated from Europe where their families had lived for centuries, and there are the Sephardic Jews who lived in the region all along, for many more centuries. Are the European Jews white, and the Sephardic not?

You know, that's actually a good question.  How exactly does one define "white"?

Arguments like this is why I am starting to hate the term "white." On one end we have the KKK types with their "One drop" definition where having a single ancestor who isn't "white" (according to their strict definition) makes you "not part of their special club for awesome white people" while on the other hand there are other ethnic groups with quite pale skin so purely from skin colour it would make sense to call them "white." Saami for example, who may be as white as the average Nordic person. Which reminds me, currently the Saami are having a legal dispute in Finland as they are arguing over the definition of Saami. Currently apart, from being related to other Saami you also need to be voted for by some council to be able to legally be called a Saami and there are very few of these "purebloods" left and much more people who would want to be called Saami and may identify as such but the council does not want to approve their petitions. It is basically an argument whether an group can determine their members vs the right of an individual to define what group he belongs to.  (The outsiders are people who have Saami blood but "not enough" according to the council. So none of this "I am 1/64th Cherokee" in Finland. If you aren't 100% Saami from certain groups of lineage then you are a filthy outsider trying to steal their noble heritage.)

All these disputes over ethnicity and we can't even agree on the definitions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 12, 2015, 01:55:06 pm
While we're talking about defining "white":

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2j607t4.jpg)

I'd like to know if this person thinks non-whites (I refuse to say "POC") can be racist against other non-whites.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on March 13, 2015, 12:50:42 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 12, 2015, 01:55:06 pm
While we're talking about defining "white":

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2j607t4.jpg)

I'd like to know if this person thinks non-whites (I refuse to say "POC") can be racist against other non-whites.

I dont know what they think, but in my experience some "non-whites" are considerably more racist against other "non-whites" in my country. Apartheid might have been institutionalized racism and oppression of whites against blacks, but since the end of it, many people of Indian and Chinese decent are extremely racist against the black people of this country.

I dont know if it can be called racism though, but there is a special kind of hatred in this country for black middle class people who say hire a maid. It is like the average poor black person in this country sees their success as some kind of betrayal.

Just some random thoughts dont even know why I added any of this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 13, 2015, 02:26:18 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 13, 2015, 04:32:54 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2z6s7fa.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 13, 2015, 04:54:54 pm
Social Justice.

By which they mean - We finally get to be the bullies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 13, 2015, 05:59:21 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 13, 2015, 04:32:54 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2z6s7fa.jpg)

Previous FQA threads have firmly established he doesn't really want cis people to kill themselves. Where's your sense of humor, UP?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 14, 2015, 09:50:03 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 13, 2015, 04:32:54 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2z6s7fa.jpg)

You know, there are agencies you can call if you really feel threatened by crap like this.

As to the whole white people and slavery, I kinda want ti see reactions when they piece together where the mean old white men got those slaves from.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on March 14, 2015, 06:05:50 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 11, 2015, 10:03:58 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/mlvMsURl.jpg)
Oh, ADF.
I'm guessing this person isn't aware that most Iranians are white.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 14, 2015, 06:33:26 pm
Yep. Can't tell an Iranian/Persian from an Italian or Spaniard until maybe after they speak.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 14, 2015, 07:14:51 pm
Quote from: rookie on March 14, 2015, 09:50:03 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 13, 2015, 04:32:54 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2z6s7fa.jpg)

You know, there are agencies you can call if you really feel threatened by crap like this.

As to the whole white people and slavery, I kinda want ti see reactions when they piece together where the mean old white men got those slaves from.

I've actually seen people say that the tribals who sold their countrymen to white people were tricked by said white people.  Because slavery is so different in Africa.  To that I say bullshit.  They knew what they were getting into.

Ironbite-getting a lot of money.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 14, 2015, 09:01:56 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/hrydsm.jpg)

It's like they're trying their hardest to make me become the sexist white supremacist they believe me to be.  I swear, if the Aryan Nation isn't using these posts as recruitment tools, they're missing out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: chitoryu12 on March 14, 2015, 11:03:36 pm
Quote from: WatermelonRat on March 14, 2015, 06:05:50 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 11, 2015, 10:03:58 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/mlvMsURl.jpg)
Oh, ADF.
I'm guessing this person isn't aware that most Iranians are white.

Also, the "trans people are the devil's nukes" quote was proven to be a hoax. In fact, the current pope invited a trans man to the Vatican and confirmed that he was a son of God and hugged him (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/26/pope-francis-transgender-man_n_6549886.html). He effectively gave a legitimization of transsexuality to all Christians who follow him.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 14, 2015, 11:11:53 pm
Haven't heard of that devil's nukes thing is, but the Pope did compare gender theory to nuclear weapons (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=6334.msg263116#msg263116). Might be what they meant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 15, 2015, 11:16:26 am
(https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/wonderful-png.19944/)

No comment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 15, 2015, 11:25:54 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/06/we-should-stop-putting-women-in-jail-for-anything/

After hunting down that article I have come to the conclusion that the title is ac clickbait that isn't just misleading, it lies about the subject and the idea is quite different and not that stupid when you get down to what they are ACTUALLY trying to do:

The goal is to stop putting non-violent criminals in PRISON and instead giving them community sentences and placing them in custodial centers near their families. Not all women. Not just women. The non-violent offenders, regardless of gender, who can be rehabilitated without confining them behind barb wires. Which, apart from bringing their family along, is not unlike what most civilized countries already do to small time criminals.

But the article concentrates on women and complains how the prisons are horrible for women because "women make up a small minority of prisoners" and the prisons are "designed for men." Fuck whoever wrote the article.

EDIT: Ok, after going to the BBC article it seems that the project IS focused on women because "women are vulnerable and victims of the society and why won't someone think of the children who are cruelly torn away from the mother just because she committed some crimes" but even then it is only focused on non-violent criminals. The women who are a danger will just be placed in the same prison with men from now on if this project is successful.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 15, 2015, 03:04:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 12, 2015, 01:55:06 pm
While we're talking about defining "white":

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2j607t4.jpg)

I'd like to know if this person thinks non-whites (I refuse to say "POC") can be racist against other non-whites.

I wonder what they think of these:

(http://www.asiapundits.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/kboycott.jpg)

(http://www.debito.org/PubAuditionSign.jpg)

(http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/ILfz0jXOq6.VmMBQDvL7qQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yNDA7cT04NTt3PTQwMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_uk/News/skynews/restaurant-sign-1-400x240-20130227-075602-463.jpg)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on March 15, 2015, 04:45:23 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 13, 2015, 04:32:54 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2z6s7fa.jpg)

If you're cis and you know it, then your genitals will surely show it!
If you're cis and you know it kill yourself!

(Just a little light humor, folks. I'm more or less cis myself.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 15, 2015, 10:38:13 pm
Damn. Now the song is an earworm. XD
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 16, 2015, 09:16:38 am
@Jebusfire:  Aah, good old-fashioned Asian xenophobia.  Its not just for Americans, ya know!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 16, 2015, 08:16:04 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/28hfptf.jpg)

A Chinese guy feels threatened that a white Irish person is perceived as just as much of a minority as him?

What is this, 1850?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 16, 2015, 08:24:42 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 16, 2015, 08:16:04 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/28hfptf.jpg)

A Chinese guy feels threatened that a white Irish person is perceived as just as much of a minority as him?

What is this, 1850?

Arthur Chu needs to take a look at our last census around these parts, because he'd hate us.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 16, 2015, 08:39:32 pm
I've never seen anyone who actually does this, but besides that, people who do have some good reasoning behind it. Sure, there's no explicit institutional anti-Irish racism today, but they're still the butt of oh so many jokes (remember that gingers don't have souls?) and they still faced just as much racism against them as any other race, with the possible exception of African-Americans, historically speaking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 16, 2015, 09:38:36 pm
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 16, 2015, 09:29:46 pm
I have met white Americans who have told me that they know what "real racism" feels like because they are of Irish descent, almost always to deny actual racism against black people, etc. If these conversations happened 150 years ago I wouldn't have disagreed with them, but the definition of "whiteness" in the USA is always evolving and changing, and right now "Irish" is considered white.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to equate anti-Irish racism to anti-Black racism. But you're still going to face more jokes if you're Irish than if you're, say, Anglo-Saxon in ancestry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 16, 2015, 09:43:32 pm
While he has a point...he's a fucking prick who can't seem to figure out trying to bring up a sexual assault that didn't happen the way he said it happened isn't going to win him any unconverted fans.  Especially when the victim of said sexual assault asks him on twitter to stop and he blocks her and keeps bringing it up.  He's an ass.  A well and truly documented ass who only got famous because he could memorize trivia and he's not even that famous.

Ironbite-such a sad little man.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jessibel on March 17, 2015, 01:10:48 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 16, 2015, 09:29:46 pm
I have met white Americans who have told me that they know what "real racism" feels like because they are of Irish descent, almost always to deny actual racism against black people, etc. If these conversations happened 150 years ago I wouldn't have disagreed with them, but the definition of "whiteness" in the USA is always evolving and changing, and right now "Irish" is considered white.

Yeah I had an ex whose family always tried to pull the whole "we know what oppression is like because historically the Irish were indentured servants just like the blacks", completely ignoring that there is a big difference in being a servant for 7-10 years in exchange for passage across the Atlantic, and being taken from your home land, forced to give up your culture, and sold into slave labor until you die. Oh and any children you have will also be taken from you and forced into slavery.

Not to mention that aside from being the butt of a few jokes, people of Irish heritage in the US don't really have to deal with discrimination. It was never worth trying to explain to my ex' family that nobody said they were alcoholics because they were predominately of Irish stock, people said it because the three of them (one of whom was 19) would buy two big bottles of cheap rum on Friday night and it would be gone by Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 17, 2015, 08:29:39 am
(https://i.imgur.com/eftklan.png)

Sounds like you receive the exact amount of respect you deserve. Now show us ur tits!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 17, 2015, 09:26:31 am
Quote from: Jessibel on March 17, 2015, 01:10:48 am
Quote from: Osama bin Bambi on March 16, 2015, 09:29:46 pm
I have met white Americans who have told me that they know what "real racism" feels like because they are of Irish descent, almost always to deny actual racism against black people, etc. If these conversations happened 150 years ago I wouldn't have disagreed with them, but the definition of "whiteness" in the USA is always evolving and changing, and right now "Irish" is considered white.

Yeah I had an ex whose family always tried to pull the whole "we know what oppression is like because historically the Irish were indentured servants just like the blacks", completely ignoring that there is a big difference in being a servant for 7-10 years in exchange for passage across the Atlantic, and being taken from your home land, forced to give up your culture, and sold into slave labor until you die. Oh and any children you have will also be taken from you and forced into slavery.

Not to mention that aside from being the butt of a few jokes, people of Irish heritage in the US don't really have to deal with discrimination. It was never worth trying to explain to my ex' family that nobody said they were alcoholics because they were predominately of Irish stock, people said it because the three of them (one of whom was 19) would buy two big bottles of cheap rum on Friday night and it would be gone by Sunday morning.

Actually, the Irish were enslaved too.

http://www.yale.edu/glc/tangledroots/Barbadosed.htm (http://www.yale.edu/glc/tangledroots/Barbadosed.htm)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 17, 2015, 10:08:27 am
Is it significant that this thread conveniently veered off into sniping "Irish Oppression" on St. Patrick's Day? Yes... I think it is...<belches green beer vapor>
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 17, 2015, 10:57:25 am
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/932/454/b22.png)

So we’re not allowed to like what they don’t like and we’re not allowed to like what they like.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 17, 2015, 11:50:48 am
Quote from: mellenORL on March 17, 2015, 10:08:27 am
Is it significant that this thread conveniently veered off into sniping "Irish Oppression" on St. Patrick's Day? Yes... I think it is...<belches green beer vapor>

I think ya need to go a little lighter on the absinthe, lol.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on March 17, 2015, 01:19:26 pm
Absinthe?  That's an idea...  better than food coloring.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 17, 2015, 05:14:37 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mce2u0tt9c1ryahxto1_400.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/AjFDz.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 17, 2015, 05:18:01 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 17, 2015, 10:57:25 am
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/932/454/b22.png)

So we’re not allowed to like what they don’t like and we’re not allowed to like what they like.

Got it, no watching Steven Universe.

At least they haven't tried to take Touhou away. We have the best fandom.*

*And by we I mean me and my big group of friends.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on March 17, 2015, 05:44:08 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 17, 2015, 05:14:37 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mce2u0tt9c1ryahxto1_400.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/AjFDz.gif)

I can't understand why someone would post something like that.

This is pretty bad, but at least it's a shit ton better than what we've been dealing with in the "Things people say on the internet" thread. At least there's no mention of feces or butts, or pictures of literally rotting teeth.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 17, 2015, 05:49:56 pm
That was supposed to go on the aforementioned thread. Sorry about that guys, I wasn't paying attention.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 18, 2015, 09:20:59 am
http://globalnews.ca/news/1885540/white-students-asked-to-leave-anti-racism-event-at-ryerson/ (http://globalnews.ca/news/1885540/white-students-asked-to-leave-anti-racism-event-at-ryerson/)

The best way to bring people together is to build walls and tear down bridges, in order to make sure people stay amongst those who look, think and believe exactly as they do.  That way nobody's feelings ever get hurt in their safe spaces.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 18, 2015, 09:44:56 am
Strange as it may sound, coming from me, I'm actually okay with this. It seems to me that at least part of the purpose of that group is to be a sort of support group for people who have experienced racism. Like any other sort of support group, it involves sharing very personal and painful experiences with others who've also experienced it and can therefore truly understand what they're going through. It really not that hard to see why it would make those involved uncomfortable to have non-members sit in on their meetings. Especially, if said people are there because they intend to publish an article about it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 18, 2015, 11:28:17 am
The two were probably kicked out because they were reporters, not because they're white.
Really the whole thing is thing is a non-story.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 18, 2015, 12:59:17 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2r29czm.jpg)

"We generalize, stereotype, and make hypocritical statements about many large groups of people, but don't you dare do it to us or it's wrong and bad!!!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 18, 2015, 02:03:59 pm
To be fair the part at the beginning is correct on the sense that pretty much everyone is guilty of one of those things at some level. I don't mean that every white person thinks "I wanna fucking lynch that nigger!" when they see a black person, but almost all of us are guilty of at least subconscious or accidental sterotyping from time to time. Also, while technically correct, you shouldn't say things like "homophobes are the problem" as it serves as a way for us to separate ourselves from bigots

Everything else is bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 18, 2015, 06:23:47 pm
You ain't shit fuck off. But before you do please donate to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on March 19, 2015, 04:19:14 pm
On the the recent comic cover incident:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 19, 2015, 04:39:10 pm
 Oh, the burn!....dumb bitch.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 19, 2015, 05:11:29 pm
To be fair, on most of those Batman is struggling to get free.  With Batgirl, she's just so god damn frightened of the madman she can't move.

Ironbite-it's a stupid cover anyways.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 19, 2015, 05:49:01 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 19, 2015, 05:11:29 pm
To be fair, on most of those Batman is struggling to get free.  With Batgirl, she's just so god damn frightened of the madman she can't move.

Ironbite-it's a stupid cover anyways.

The comparison I heard was "could you picture the Red Hood in place of Batgirl, terrified and crying (since Jason Todd was also horribly victimized by the Joker)?"  From what I hear (I don't read comics), the cover makes little to no sense because of the development and character arcs that Barbara Gordon went through (this Batgirl is Barbara Gordon, right?).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 19, 2015, 07:31:00 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 19, 2015, 05:11:29 pm
To be fair, on most of those Batman is struggling to get free.  With Batgirl, she's just so god damn frightened of the madman she can't move.

Ironbite-it's a stupid cover anyways.

You're right. it's almost as if the Joker is a horrifying person who does horrifying things to people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 19, 2015, 08:02:26 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 19, 2015, 07:31:00 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 19, 2015, 05:11:29 pm
To be fair, on most of those Batman is struggling to get free.  With Batgirl, she's just so god damn frightened of the madman she can't move.

Ironbite-it's a stupid cover anyways.

The Joker is a horrifying person who does horrifying things to people.
Well yes, but when Batman is depicted in scenarios like the one on the cover he is almost always shown as resisting in some fashion. That was literally Ironbites argument.

To be honest I don't care about the cover that much.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 19, 2015, 08:08:51 pm
Quote
“i’m so depressed,” posted the caucasian heterosexual cisgender teenage girl on her blog
TIL: Depression only affects minorities
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 19, 2015, 09:00:18 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 19, 2015, 08:02:26 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on March 19, 2015, 07:31:00 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 19, 2015, 05:11:29 pm
To be fair, on most of those Batman is struggling to get free.  With Batgirl, she's just so god damn frightened of the madman she can't move.

Ironbite-it's a stupid cover anyways.

The Joker is a horrifying person who does horrifying things to people.
Well yes, but when Batman is depicted in scenarios like the one on the cover he is almost always shown as resisting in some fashion. That was literally Ironbites argument.

To be honest I don't care about the cover that much.

Well, according to my brother, Batgirl has PTSD.  And besides, how would you react to being held captive by the guy who tortured and crippled you?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 19, 2015, 09:16:16 pm
If I remember correctly from the big 4-issue mini series that elaborates on New 52 history up to this point and what I know of this series, Barbara has already undergone the New 52 equivalent of The Killing Joke and become Oracle. Then, by some twist of medical science, she gets her ability to walk back at the cost of survivor's guilt.

So, yeah, she most likely has a shit-ton of issues to work out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 19, 2015, 09:19:29 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 19, 2015, 09:16:16 pm
If I remember correctly from the big 4-issue mini series that elaborates on New 52 history up to this point and what I know of this series, Barbara has already undergone the New 52 equivalent of The Killing Joke and become Oracle. Then, by some twist of medical science, she gets her ability to walk back at the cost of survivor's guilt.

So, yeah, she most likely has a shit-ton of issues to work out.

That's more or less what my brother said.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 19, 2015, 09:43:59 pm
I'm just amazed that the Joker apparently flayed his own face off and nailed the skin to Batman's face, and yet the part that people seem most interested in is that Batgirl looks a little less than stoic about the prospect of being captured and tortured.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 20, 2015, 12:05:24 am
From what I understand the reason people were offended is because the cover is alluding to a rape scene from "The Killing Joke" and because of some other shit.
To be honest, It seems kinda tacky, I don't mean super tacky, just kinda tacky.

What annoys me though is not so much the initial reaction but the overblown rage on places like /co/ and Reddit where people are treating it like the DC office was stormed by several gunmen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 20, 2015, 12:08:50 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 20, 2015, 12:05:24 am
From what I understand the reason people were offended is because the cover is alluding to a rape scene from "The Killing Joke" and because of some other shit.
To be honest, It seems kinda tacky, I don't mean super tacky, just kinda tacky.

What annoys me though is not so much the initial reaction but the overblown rage on places like /co/ and Reddit where people are treating it like the DC office was stormed by several gunmen.

Actually, Alan Moore confirmed that the Joker didn't rape Barbara, although he admits he could have made that a bit more clear.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 20, 2015, 12:20:23 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 19, 2015, 08:08:51 pm
Quote
“i’m so depressed,” posted the caucasian heterosexual cisgender teenage girl on her blog[\quote]
TIL: Depression only affects minorities

Holy shit I wish I knew about this a few years ago!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 20, 2015, 08:46:31 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/aeaf140a5cae8e542bba7052459391b3/tumblr_nlft2csRaZ1u00qgto1_500.png)

Apparently trans men aren't trans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 20, 2015, 11:07:38 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/n3mfcj.jpg)

Are they heterophobes for not dating straight people?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 20, 2015, 11:19:04 pm
Okay then, I'm a homophone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 20, 2015, 11:24:32 pm
Quote
gay white cis man telling his coming out story: [adjusts the lighting to be more dramatic, focuses a spotlight on himself, begins playing sad music in the background] when i was little, i felt like there was something… different about me. i had some feelings i didn’t understand. in middle school i realized i was…gay. [begins to cry]  i was bullied. my parents didn’t understand, but they still loved me. then i got older and met new friends and my life was easier. as a cisgender white gay man, my life has been a battle from the beginning. no one will understand my pain. [lighting fades]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 20, 2015, 11:39:25 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/34t5x5j.jpg)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 21, 2015, 12:19:50 am
...they are right? It is in fact unnecessary and not transgender inclusive. It doesn't mean the dentist is an awful person for not thinking about the implications of woman=has uterus, it's a common simplifying assumption people make every day. Nevertheless, it would be nice if people did that less.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 21, 2015, 01:03:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 20, 2015, 11:07:38 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/n3mfcj.jpg)

Are they heterophobes for not dating straight people?

I would happily date a lesbian. I get the feeling that she wouldn't want to date me, however.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on March 21, 2015, 01:37:02 am
Yeah, there's kind of a 'works both ways' factor, there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 21, 2015, 01:58:38 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 21, 2015, 01:03:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 20, 2015, 11:07:38 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/n3mfcj.jpg)

Are they heterophobes for not dating straight people?

I would happily date a lesbian. I get the feeling that she wouldn't want to date me, however.
who would?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 21, 2015, 09:23:03 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2r2rfjb.jpg)

No, you're not being brave, you just being a narcissist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 21, 2015, 12:02:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 21, 2015, 09:23:03 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2r2rfjb.jpg)

No, you're not being brave, you just being a narcissist.

Or...maybe they just have high self-esteem?  And, they do have a point in that society basically functions by yelling "YOU AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH" at everyone constantly.  This may not have been the teacher's goal, but that doesn't detract from the fact that it happens and that there are several people, through no fault of their own, who could turn that assignment into a 500-page dissertation because some little pissants have decided to make their lives hell.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 21, 2015, 12:19:52 pm
Or it could be that before improvements to anything are made, first the areas that could be improved need to be identified. There is absolutely nothing wrong with applying critical thinking to one's self.

For the purpose of the assignment, bull shit. I don't like that I'm so awesome family and friends get jealous. Like at a job interview when they ask what your biggest weakness is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 21, 2015, 09:48:36 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2lc0g08.jpg)

Maybe they should name them after Idi Amin or Pol Pot instead.  That ought to round out the diversity requirements.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 21, 2015, 11:52:29 pm
Muammar Gaddafi State College. I imagine they teach English to Lunatic translation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 22, 2015, 03:49:11 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 21, 2015, 12:02:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 21, 2015, 09:23:03 am
<snip>

No, you're not being brave, you just being a narcissist.

Or...maybe they just have high self-esteem?  And, they do have a point in that society basically functions by yelling "YOU AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH" at everyone constantly.  This may not have been the teacher's goal, but that doesn't detract from the fact that it happens and that there are several people, through no fault of their own, who could turn that assignment into a 500-page dissertation because some little pissants have decided to make their lives hell.

Worked as a teacher, solution to this isn't hard and doesn't require detentions. Negotiate with kid and ask for a topic they're comfortable with. Tell 'em that's fine but to bring the work. No wriggling out of writing anything at all.

Demanding that they write exactly that or get a detention is a waste of both your time. Better to reserve that sanction for when someone is being douchey or slack than just having a philosophical disagreement.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on March 22, 2015, 04:01:57 am
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 22, 2015, 03:49:11 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 21, 2015, 12:02:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 21, 2015, 09:23:03 am
<snip>

No, you're not being brave, you just being a narcissist.

Or...maybe they just have high self-esteem?  And, they do have a point in that society basically functions by yelling "YOU AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH" at everyone constantly.  This may not have been the teacher's goal, but that doesn't detract from the fact that it happens and that there are several people, through no fault of their own, who could turn that assignment into a 500-page dissertation because some little pissants have decided to make their lives hell.

Worked as a teacher, solution to this isn't hard and doesn't require detentions. Negotiate with kid and ask for a topic they're comfortable with. Tell 'em that's fine but to bring the work. No wriggling out of writing anything at all.

Demanding that they write exactly that or get a detention is a waste of both your time. Better to reserve that sanction for when someone is being douchey or slack than just having a philosophical disagreement.

Could have just told her to write out her opinion on why she doesn't want to write the thing.

Somehow I'm guessing this was part of a larger group of questions, the kind some teachers ask on the first day of school. I know a few of my teacher had us fill out a sheet of questions about ourselves for whatever reason. Things like what do you like/dislike about yourself, what are you good/not good at, what are your hobbies, and so on. Or it might have been part of an activity about what someone perceives of themselves compared to how others perceive them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 22, 2015, 08:11:56 am
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 22, 2015, 03:49:11 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 21, 2015, 12:02:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 21, 2015, 09:23:03 am
<snip>

No, you're not being brave, you just being a narcissist.

Or...maybe they just have high self-esteem?  And, they do have a point in that society basically functions by yelling "YOU AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH" at everyone constantly.  This may not have been the teacher's goal, but that doesn't detract from the fact that it happens and that there are several people, through no fault of their own, who could turn that assignment into a 500-page dissertation because some little pissants have decided to make their lives hell.

Worked as a teacher, solution to this isn't hard and doesn't require detentions. Negotiate with kid and ask for a topic they're comfortable with. Tell 'em that's fine but to bring the work. No wriggling out of writing anything at all.

Demanding that they write exactly that or get a detention is a waste of both your time. Better to reserve that sanction for when someone is being douchey or slack than just having a philosophical disagreement.

Oh Tol, that requires actual work.  There's a LOT of teachers out there nowadays that are burnt-out husks that really ought not be in charge of anything more complicated than a bowl of potato salad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 22, 2015, 10:38:16 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on March 22, 2015, 04:01:57 am
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 22, 2015, 03:49:11 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on March 21, 2015, 12:02:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 21, 2015, 09:23:03 am
<snip>

No, you're not being brave, you just being a narcissist.

Or...maybe they just have high self-esteem?  And, they do have a point in that society basically functions by yelling "YOU AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH" at everyone constantly.  This may not have been the teacher's goal, but that doesn't detract from the fact that it happens and that there are several people, through no fault of their own, who could turn that assignment into a 500-page dissertation because some little pissants have decided to make their lives hell.

Worked as a teacher, solution to this isn't hard and doesn't require detentions. Negotiate with kid and ask for a topic they're comfortable with. Tell 'em that's fine but to bring the work. No wriggling out of writing anything at all.

Demanding that they write exactly that or get a detention is a waste of both your time. Better to reserve that sanction for when someone is being douchey or slack than just having a philosophical disagreement.

Could have just told her to write out her opinion on why she doesn't want to write the thing.

Somehow I'm guessing this was part of a larger group of questions, the kind some teachers ask on the first day of school. I know a few of my teacher had us fill out a sheet of questions about ourselves for whatever reason. Things like what do you like/dislike about yourself, what are you good/not good at, what are your hobbies, and so on. Or it might have been part of an activity about what someone perceives of themselves compared to how others perceive them.

Now that would have made an excellent and enlightening day of learning. And if that was in fact the teacher's point, then the student was losing out be being so stubborn. Still, I agree with Tol. Sending the kid to the principal is pointless; let them just stay in class without disrupting, and maybe, if the lesson was of good quality, they would learn something of value, anyway.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 22, 2015, 12:02:31 pm
http://flawlessxqueen.tumblr.com/post/114217356599/rudegyalchina-exhibit-a-of-why-i-dont-have-a (http://flawlessxqueen.tumblr.com/post/114217356599/rudegyalchina-exhibit-a-of-why-i-dont-have-a)

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This is why we need All black schools with all black staff. Our babies do not need to be taught by the people who hate them.

No, you fucking idiot.  You need to fire the racist principal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on March 22, 2015, 09:04:56 pm
All black schools, huh? Didn't we already try that once?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on March 22, 2015, 09:36:03 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on March 22, 2015, 09:04:56 pm
All black schools, huh? Didn't we already try that once?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education

[horseshoeing intensifies]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 22, 2015, 09:48:33 pm
Horseshoe Effect in action - SJWs now advocate for segregation.

I know its a Godwin, but I wonder how long it'll be before we hear of a SJW asking "How do we handle these damn problematic Jews? We need a solution."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 22, 2015, 10:48:13 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 22, 2015, 09:48:33 pm
Horseshoe Effect in action - SJWs now advocate for segregation.

I know its a Godwin, but I wonder how long it'll be before we hear of a SJW asking "How do we handle these damn problematic Jews? We need a solution."

I think that "final" will be in that quote when it appears.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 22, 2015, 10:59:14 pm
I can do you one better:

"How do we get rid of these problematic, oppressive Poles? I say we dress up in pink tabards with rainbow (So they recognize us by our love) crosses and burn down all of their villages, brah. "
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on March 23, 2015, 12:24:00 am
I think this effect is particularly obvious when people start taking 'cultural appropriation' too seriously. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 23, 2015, 10:41:45 am
Ohh, it's too goddamn early for me to deal with this level of transtrender nonsense.

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So much of the Euro-American understanding of being trans (or anything other than 100% constantly identified with your assigned gender) focuses on discomfort.
Could it be because, golly gee, being transgender is usually uncomfortable, even outside of the social stigma? That, even if we lived on a planet where gender roles (or even gender) were nonexistent, I would be deeply uncomfortable with my biological sex?

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Some people take this idea to an extreme and claim you can’t be trans unless you hate your body and want every surgery available to you. As many other writers have said before, that’s not true. It’s perfectly possible to be trans with only mild dysphoria or none at all. It’s perfectly possible to be trans and have a mental map of your body that looks just like the one you already have.
Not really, no. No, I don't think someone has to seek out every surgery available in order to be "fully transgendered", but if you don't have at least a mild sense of "I'm uncomfortable with my sex/secondary sex characteristics", why is this even on your radar? (Oh, right: tumblr.)

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But I’d like to push even harder against the idea that trans=discomfort. I’d like to offer this: sometimes the exploration of one’s gender can be motivated by pleasure rather than discomfort.

Let me give an example. Let’s say there’s a person named Cal. Most people think of Cal as a boy, and Cal’s all right with that. So far as Cal’s concerned, a boy isn’t a bad thing to be. But sometimes, Cal likes to imagine being a girl and being treated as a girl. Those fantasies are always accompanied by feelings of pleasure, satisfaction, anticipation, and warmth. Eventually, having had these thoughts for years, Cal asks people to use ‘she’ pronouns in private and to refer to her as a girl. Cal does this for another year before claiming the label “trans”.
Congratulations, Cal, you're a crossdresser. Or a fetishist of some sort. You can't sit with us.

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Some people would say a person like Cal can’t be trans because there’s no dysphoria, self-hatred, distress, or even discomfort. There’s just a pleasure-based preference. But why is distress necessary? Why are trans people supposed to be defined solely by our pain and self-hatred?
Because while you're sitting there collecting identities/headmates/self-diagnosed mental disorders, people are getting murdered for being transgender. While you're playing privilege bingo, people are getting the shit kicked out of them for being transgender. While you're going through identities like the asian girl on The Suite Life of Zach and Cody goes through clothes, people are getting excommunicated, expelled, or disowned for being transgender. You're not cute, and you're not helping.

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It’s my opinion that defining trans people solely by discomfort is an aspect of transphobia. The idea behind trans=discomfort is that being anything other than 100% cis is so awful that no one would do it unless the alternative were unlivable. Think about that: defining trans people solely by their experiences of discomfort means believing that being trans is so awful that only misery could drive us to it. And to me, that sounds like the thinking of someone who really hates trans people.
How fucking dare people with a medical condition (Gender Dysphoria (http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf)) that negatively affects their lives talk about it as a medical condition that negatively affects their lives and not as a ~+*spiritual experience*+~ or ~+*pleasure-based preference*+~ in order to validate your fictivekin headmate's snarlgendered alter ego.
Sarcasm aside, if you're bothered by the fact that an overwhelming amount of trans discourse is some variety of "this sucks", maybe you could, y'know, do something about it. Sign petitions to defeat legislation like PLETT, donate to (reputable) fundraisers that would help vulnerable trans treens escape abusive homes (instead of/in addition to reblogging it and tagging "signal boost"), call people out when they say something transphobic, befriend and support people who just came out or are questioning their gender identity, something. Don't just play Privledgemon cards while mocking people who are genuinely miserable just because they don't fit or agree with your "I think I'm a [noun]gender [literally anything], therefore I am" ideology.

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So I’ll come out and say it: sometimes transition or self-exploration of gender is not just about lessening discomfort, but is about improving and deepening the pleasure we take in our lives.
*sarcastic applause* Congratulations for being in a position that allows you to transition for shits and giggles to "improve and deepen the pleasure" you take in your life. Meanwhile I'm just going to be over here resisting the urge to cut my chest open with a kitchen knife.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on March 23, 2015, 11:49:17 am
Aren't there some people out there in the SJW community who talk about how "oppressed" they are and ask people to give them money or buy them shit off an Amazon wish list? And the stuff they ask for is like videogames and anime stuff.

I have to wonder if they actually get any "donations".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 12:29:26 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2inip4.jpg)

Are you fucking serious?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 23, 2015, 12:43:49 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on March 23, 2015, 11:49:17 am
Aren't there some people out there in the SJW community who talk about how "oppressed" they are and ask people to give them money or buy them shit off an Amazon wish list? And the stuff they ask for is like videogames and anime stuff.

I have to wonder if they actually get any "donations".
Yeah, I saw idislikecispeople getting called on that a while ago. I doubt they're the only one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on March 23, 2015, 01:35:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 12:29:26 pm
(snip)

Are you fucking serious?!

That's a really obvious troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 23, 2015, 02:44:02 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on March 23, 2015, 01:35:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 12:29:26 pm
(snip)

Are you fucking serious?!

That's a really obvious troll.

Given that it says it's written by Patricia Hernandez, a well-known writer of stupid things on Kotaku, I'm not completely sure. Then again, images can be Photoshopped, so an actual link to the article would be a lot better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 23, 2015, 03:00:47 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 23, 2015, 02:44:02 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on March 23, 2015, 01:35:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 12:29:26 pm
(snip)

Are you fucking serious?!

That's a really obvious troll.

Given that it says it's written by Patricia Hernandez, a well-known writer of stupid things on Kotaku, I'm not completely sure. Then again, images can be Photoshopped, so an actual link to the article would be a lot better.

I can verify it's a shoop.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 03:16:00 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 23, 2015, 03:00:47 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 23, 2015, 02:44:02 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on March 23, 2015, 01:35:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 12:29:26 pm
(snip)

Are you fucking serious?!

That's a really obvious troll.

Given that it says it's written by Patricia Hernandez, a well-known writer of stupid things on Kotaku, I'm not completely sure. Then again, images can be Photoshopped, so an actual link to the article would be a lot better.

I can verify it's a shoop.

It's official: Hernandez has entered the Tyson Zone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 23, 2015, 03:52:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 03:16:00 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 23, 2015, 03:00:47 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 23, 2015, 02:44:02 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on March 23, 2015, 01:35:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 12:29:26 pm
(snip)

Are you fucking serious?!

That's a really obvious troll.

Given that it says it's written by Patricia Hernandez, a well-known writer of stupid things on Kotaku, I'm not completely sure. Then again, images can be Photoshopped, so an actual link to the article would be a lot better.

I can verify it's a shoop.

It's official: Hernandez has entered the Tyson Zone.
...Is that like the "Parody horizon?" You know, once a person or organization passes the Parody horizon limit no parodies or jokes about them can be sillier than the real deal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 04:27:56 pm
Quote from: askold on March 23, 2015, 03:52:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 03:16:00 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 23, 2015, 03:00:47 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 23, 2015, 02:44:02 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on March 23, 2015, 01:35:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 12:29:26 pm
(snip)

Are you fucking serious?!

That's a really obvious troll.

Given that it says it's written by Patricia Hernandez, a well-known writer of stupid things on Kotaku, I'm not completely sure. Then again, images can be Photoshopped, so an actual link to the article would be a lot better.

I can verify it's a shoop.

It's official: Hernandez has entered the Tyson Zone.
...Is that like the "Parody horizon?" You know, once a person or organization passes the Parody horizon limit no parodies or jokes about them can be sillier than the real deal.

Kind of.  It's basically when the general public finds themselves unable to doubt a story about somebody.  Examples would include Keith Moon, Charlie Sheen, and the entire country of North Korea.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 23, 2015, 08:33:25 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 04:27:56 pm
Quote from: askold on March 23, 2015, 03:52:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 03:16:00 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 23, 2015, 03:00:47 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 23, 2015, 02:44:02 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on March 23, 2015, 01:35:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 12:29:26 pm
(snip)

Are you fucking serious?!

That's a really obvious troll.

Given that it says it's written by Patricia Hernandez, a well-known writer of stupid things on Kotaku, I'm not completely sure. Then again, images can be Photoshopped, so an actual link to the article would be a lot better.

I can verify it's a shoop.

It's official: Hernandez has entered the Tyson Zone.
...Is that like the "Parody horizon?" You know, once a person or organization passes the Parody horizon limit no parodies or jokes about them can be sillier than the real deal.

Kind of.  It's basically when the general public finds themselves unable to doubt a story about somebody.  Examples would include Keith Moon, Charlie Sheen, and the entire country of North Korea.

It takes a certain amount of daring to observe that you would believe anything about a member of the Hated Outgroup and then cast that as their failure rather than yours.

It's not that "the public" is unable to doubt a story about Patricia Hernandez. Other people in the thread did exactly that. It's that you are unable to doubt a story about Patricia Hernandez. If you are taken in by any parody, you should consider that maybe you have a bad model of the sort of thing Patricia Hernandez would do and you need to recalibrate it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on March 23, 2015, 08:37:04 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 23, 2015, 02:44:02 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on March 23, 2015, 01:35:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 12:29:26 pm
(snip)

Are you fucking serious?!

That's a really obvious troll.

Given that it says it's written by Patricia Hernandez, a well-known writer of stupid things on Kotaku, I'm not completely sure. Then again, images can be Photoshopped, so an actual link to the article would be a lot better.
I can confirm that it's a parody originating from /v/. Here are some other ones they came up with:
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 08:50:14 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/n3u5n7.jpg)

The point screamed over her head like an SR71 Blackbird Bird of Color
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 23, 2015, 09:47:17 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 23, 2015, 08:50:14 pm
The point screamed over her head like an SR71 Blackbird Bird of Color

I agree with the reply. Men having their feelings hurt by feminism in no way approaches the terror black people experienced under the KKK.

The hyperbole made the whole point suspect.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 24, 2015, 12:12:12 am
I decided to take a look at Shakesville's rules today. I regret doing so.

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downvoting will, in many cases, serve as negative policing of someone else's lived experiences. Thus, we do not allow downvoting.

I've seen some shit, but I have no idea what in Gork's name this means. If one can help me with deciphering this, please do so.


Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 24, 2015, 10:38:24 am
And now some idiocy from Brianna Wu.  I bet you thought it was Madman who would post this, but it was me, Ulty!

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2zxz69d.jpg)

Talk about a lack of reading comprehension.  It's mentioned in contrast to him being evil!  You know, portraying it as one of his redeeming qualities?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 24, 2015, 10:52:56 am
I suppose we are to assume that romanticism and being a 'gentleman' are also negative qualities.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on March 24, 2015, 11:06:57 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 24, 2015, 12:12:12 am
I decided to take a look at Shakesville's rules today. I regret doing so.

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downvoting will, in many cases, serve as negative policing of someone else's lived experiences. Thus, we do not allow downvoting.

I've seen some shit, but I have no idea what in Gork's name this means. If one can help me with deciphering this, please do so.
It's more clear if you read the whole sentence. Emphasis mine:

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Downvotes, however, are prohibited, as we share a lot of personal stuff here and downvoting will, in many cases, serve as negative policing of someone else's lived experiences.
If someone shares their personal experiences just plain downvoting the post is seen as dismissing their significance. It's one thing to argue about a point and completely another to dismiss someone's experience as not important since it might have a huge significance for that person with all the context of personal history, emotions etc.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 24, 2015, 11:35:38 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 24, 2015, 12:12:12 am
I decided to take a look at Shakesville's rules today. I regret doing so.

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downvoting will, in many cases, serve as negative policing of someone else's lived experiences. Thus, we do not allow downvoting.

I've seen some shit, but I have no idea what in Gork's name this means. If one can help me with deciphering this, please do so.
Hitler was a good man.
(Don't downvote)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 24, 2015, 02:24:27 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 24, 2015, 12:12:12 am
I decided to take a look at Shakesville's rules today. I regret doing so.

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downvoting will, in many cases, serve as negative policing of someone else's lived experiences. Thus, we do not allow downvoting.

I've seen some shit, but I have no idea what in Gork's name this means. If one can help me with deciphering this, please do so.

You'd think they'd take the downvote button out if they didn't want people using it. You would think so, but you'd be wrong:
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So, in recognizing that the only people doing downvoting are misogynist heapshits who flagrantly violate our commenting guidelines, we recognize downvotes as Feminist Experience Points! "Congratulations—you said something so awesome that a pathetic wreck with nothing better to do expended energy on giving you a Feminist Experience Point!" No need to feel bad about a downvote, Shakers—it's just evidence that you're LEVELING UP!

They get a weird endorphin rush off of downvotes. A ban-gasm.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 24, 2015, 07:12:10 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 24, 2015, 02:24:27 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 24, 2015, 12:12:12 am
I decided to take a look at Shakesville's rules today. I regret doing so.

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downvoting will, in many cases, serve as negative policing of someone else's lived experiences. Thus, we do not allow downvoting.

I've seen some shit, but I have no idea what in Gork's name this means. If one can help me with deciphering this, please do so.

You'd think they'd take the downvote button out if they didn't want people using it. You would think so, but you'd be wrong:
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So, in recognizing that the only people doing downvoting are misogynist heapshits who flagrantly violate our commenting guidelines, we recognize downvotes as Feminist Experience Points! "Congratulations—you said something so awesome that a pathetic wreck with nothing better to do expended energy on giving you a Feminist Experience Point!" No need to feel bad about a downvote, Shakers—it's just evidence that you're LEVELING UP!

They get a weird endorphin rush off of downvotes. A ban-gasm.

I think the implication is that downvoting comes bundled in with Disqus and they can't/don't know how to disable it, hence all the policies on it.

Also, I don't think we get to make fun of anyone over not wanting downvotes, considering what happened every time there was a karma system here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 24, 2015, 10:44:52 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/o69zih.jpg)

If I were a god, I'd have better things to do than whine on Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 24, 2015, 11:07:57 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 24, 2015, 10:44:52 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/o69zih.jpg)

If I were a god, I'd have better things to do than whine on Tumblr.

Thank you for asking! Yes I can. All I need to do is have a bit of blood drawn, and I'll have some tests run on the blood, and the tests will come back positive that this blood belongs to humans.

And also that it's type O and more full of cholesterol than it really needs to be. But yes, it's proof of humanity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Nemo on March 25, 2015, 01:03:11 pm
So, a friend of mine found a thread (http://imgur.com/a/8anj7) on Imgur where SJW quotes were imposed over an image of Hitler, and the words cis, het, white, and male were replaced with Jew. I got a good laugh out of it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 25, 2015, 01:15:29 pm
Quote from: Nemo on March 25, 2015, 01:03:11 pm
So, a friend of mine found a thread (http://imgur.com/a/8anj7) on Imgur where SJW quotes were imposed over an image of Hitler, and the words cis, het, white, and male were replaced with Jew. I got a good laugh out of it.

Die Jew scum.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 25, 2015, 03:03:03 pm
Quote from: Nemo on March 25, 2015, 01:03:11 pm
So, a friend of mine found a thread (http://imgur.com/a/8anj7) on Imgur where SJW quotes were imposed over an image of Hitler, and the words cis, het, white, and male were replaced with Jew. I got a good laugh out of it.

There's an entire subreddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/menkampf/) dedicated to that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 25, 2015, 03:22:59 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 25, 2015, 03:03:03 pm
Quote from: Nemo on March 25, 2015, 01:03:11 pm
So, a friend of mine found a thread (http://imgur.com/a/8anj7) on Imgur where SJW quotes were imposed over an image of Hitler, and the words cis, het, white, and male were replaced with Jew. I got a good laugh out of it.

There's an entire subreddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/menkampf/) dedicated to that.

Awesome!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 25, 2015, 03:58:30 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 24, 2015, 11:07:57 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 24, 2015, 10:44:52 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/o69zih.jpg)

If I were a god, I'd have better things to do than whine on Tumblr.

Thank you for asking! Yes I can. All I need to do is have a bit of blood drawn, and I'll have some tests run on the blood, and the tests will come back positive that this blood belongs to humans.

And also that it's type O and more full of cholesterol than it really needs to be. But yes, it's proof of humanity.

You can't prove anything empirically. You can just build more and more evidence for a proposition while claims to the contrary sound less and less believable without evidence in their favor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 25, 2015, 09:34:57 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/1zdsvoo.jpg)

Women shouldn't have to work if they don't feel like it.  They should get money from white men because the women are hard-working amazing people.  If you think there's a disconnect there, you're a misogynist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 25, 2015, 09:46:49 pm
That's some pretty insane troll logic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 25, 2015, 10:05:12 pm
All those strong hard working women sure are lucky to have Name Redacted looking out for them.

Which actually leads us to another question. If all the Tumblr minorities are that strong, why do they need such protection?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on March 26, 2015, 02:15:29 pm
Quote from: rookie on March 25, 2015, 10:05:12 pm
All those strong hard working women sure are lucky to have Name Redacted looking out for them.

Which actually leads us to another question. If all the Tumblr minorities are that strong, why do they need such protection?

don't let them catch you saying that, or their head'll asplode after they scream "thought raep!!!1!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 26, 2015, 05:33:09 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/xtHbBNO.png)

Add clapping to your triggers list, kiddos.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 26, 2015, 06:06:03 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 26, 2015, 05:33:09 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/xtHbBNO.png)

Add clapping to your triggers list, kiddos.

Maybe its insensitive of me, maybe I'm just an asshole, but now I want to find the person who said clapping triggers them and start clapping until my palms bleed just so when they tell me to stop I can say; "I can't, I have to save Tinkerbell!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 26, 2015, 06:19:00 pm
I'd start clapping next to them and if they complain that I'm triggering them I'd only clap louder and louder until...

Tumblrina: YOU ARE TRIGGERING MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 26, 2015, 07:02:08 pm
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I just want to remind everyone that your gender is valid regardless of what pronouns and words you use to describe it.

You want cute bunny pronouns? Go for it, they really are quite cute.

You want to make up your own words to fit yourself? Go for it, friend, they’ll be beautiful.

You want to change your pronouns every other day? Go for it, anything that makes you happy.

Anyone who tries to delegitimize your identity based on what words make you comfortable are trash and must not be tolerated.

No, I still won't call you Bun. And you act like I care what the Tumblr Hugbox thinks I am.

I'll keep on delegitimizing you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 26, 2015, 09:59:55 pm
"You want to change your pronouns every other day?"

Please don't. Not only is it incredibly stupid it also makes being trans/androgynous look like some sort of fashion statement.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on March 26, 2015, 10:25:26 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 26, 2015, 09:59:55 pm
"You want to change your pronouns every other day?"

Please don't. Not only is it incredibly stupid it also makes being trans/androgynous look like some sort of fashion statement.

That's the thing. That's all it is to these people. They're doing it because they think it will make them look cool.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 27, 2015, 03:39:55 pm
Are you sure "cool" is the word you want to use? If so, then damn has the meaning of that word changed since my day.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on March 27, 2015, 08:16:39 pm
Quote from: rookie on March 27, 2015, 03:39:55 pm
Are you sure "cool" is the word you want to use? If so, then damn has the meaning of that word changed since my day.

Special would probably be a better word.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 28, 2015, 02:39:12 am
(http://i60.tinypic.com/24cfedy.jpg)

Fucking Tumblr man...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 28, 2015, 04:53:17 am
If I ever actually post things on my Tumblr account, any time someone asks me to tag things for triggers I'll attempt to come up with the snarkiest reply I can, and then not tag said things anyway.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 28, 2015, 08:36:53 am
I'll just leave this here.

(https://hequal.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/lib-dem-nus-hate-speech.jpg)

GOD, the NUS has gone to shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on March 28, 2015, 10:44:44 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 28, 2015, 08:36:53 am
I'll just leave this here.

(https://hequal.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/lib-dem-nus-hate-speech.jpg)

GOD, the NUS has gone to shit.

what.

seriously? about razors?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 28, 2015, 11:20:41 am
Quote from: guizonde on March 28, 2015, 10:44:44 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 28, 2015, 08:36:53 am
I'll just leave this here.

(https://hequal.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/lib-dem-nus-hate-speech.jpg)

GOD, the NUS has gone to shit.

what.

seriously? about razors?

What is this razors thing in this context? And, who are these people?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 29, 2015, 11:41:06 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/66dn9f.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXm6F-K6Ffo
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 29, 2015, 02:04:18 pm
Fat women certainly are angelic, especially after they die from obesity-related heart disease :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 29, 2015, 03:34:34 pm
Sure is a lot of fat-shaming going on in FQA today.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 29, 2015, 05:03:07 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2lik12d.jpg)

You're not just wrong, you're hilariously wrong.  There are countless phallic geological formations out there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 29, 2015, 05:13:20 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 29, 2015, 03:34:34 pm
Sure is a lot of fat-shaming going on in FQA today.

Cry more.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/42b8ce84fe871896897db7493352061b/tumblr_nly6wyZAT41u00qgto1_400.png)

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/631233f561232124f21aa42aa2942c6f/tumblr_nlvlhxYaXF1u00qgto1_400.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 29, 2015, 06:47:31 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 29, 2015, 05:13:20 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 29, 2015, 03:34:34 pm
Sure is a lot of fat-shaming going on in FQA today.

Cry more.

Go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 29, 2015, 06:58:37 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 29, 2015, 06:47:31 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 29, 2015, 05:13:20 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 29, 2015, 03:34:34 pm
Sure is a lot of fat-shaming going on in FQA today.

Cry more.

Go fuck yourself.

Check your privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on March 29, 2015, 07:06:38 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 29, 2015, 05:13:20 pm

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/631233f561232124f21aa42aa2942c6f/tumblr_nlvlhxYaXF1u00qgto1_400.png)

there's a word for that. libertines. and in a certain way, swingers as well. if they spent less energy trying to reinvent language, think of the things they could achieve!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 29, 2015, 07:08:13 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 29, 2015, 06:58:37 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 29, 2015, 06:47:31 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 29, 2015, 05:13:20 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 29, 2015, 03:34:34 pm
Sure is a lot of fat-shaming going on in FQA today.

Cry more.

Go fuck yourself.

Check your privilege.

I am literally being oppressed by Hitler. Donate to my weed anti-oppression fund.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 29, 2015, 07:21:07 pm
http://godgazi.tumblr.com/post/114868375446 (http://godgazi.tumblr.com/post/114868375446)

Gays hate black people?  No.  Some idiot racists on Grindr don't constitute the whole gay community.  Get real, dumbass.

And did you seriously quote yourself?  How arrogant can you get?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 29, 2015, 07:36:38 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 29, 2015, 05:03:07 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2lik12d.jpg)

You're not just wrong, you're hilariously wrong.  There are countless phallic geological formations out there.

I believe the word you are looking for is "joking".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 29, 2015, 08:04:10 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2h4xpy0.jpg)

Wrong.

He WAS considered a terrorist at first, but they investigated his home and found no evidence that his actions were politically motivated.

He WAS battling depression, it's a proven fact.

And the media is calling him a lunatic, crazy, deranged, etc.  The same things they call terrorists.

As for white people, I have to remind you that the media (correctly) labelled Timothy McVeigh and Anders Behring Breivik as terrorists, as well as calling the IRA, the Red Army Faction, and the Order terrorist organizations.

By the way, look up Gamil al-Battouti.  He was an Egyptian Muslim who intentionally crashed a plane into the ocean.  Other than a few trashy tabloids, the media largely viewed this as a suicide, not an act of terrorism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on March 29, 2015, 09:22:44 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 29, 2015, 07:21:07 pm
http://godgazi.tumblr.com/post/114868375446 (http://godgazi.tumblr.com/post/114868375446)

Gays hate black people?  No.  Some idiot racists on Grindr don't constitute the whole gay community.  Get real, dumbass.

And did you seriously quote yourself?  How arrogant can you get?

Nobody gives a shit what you call yourself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 30, 2015, 12:34:52 pm
So, radflakes on Twitter are flipping out because one of Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity backers made a joke they consider "transphobic".

The joke in question:

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/qyfj86.jpg)

Yeah, I don't see it.  For two reasons.  One, there's no mention that the person he had sex with actually was trans.  Maybe he was just a very convincing drag queen, or maybe the guy had beer goggles.

And two, the butt of the joke is the aforementioned fool.  Seems to me that it's really more of a jab at idiotic dudebros who think they're the next Hugh Hefner.

But then again, when have radflakes ever let the truth get in the way of "Social Justice"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 30, 2015, 01:05:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 30, 2015, 12:34:52 pm
So, radflakes on Twitter are flipping out because one of Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity backers made a joke they consider "transphobic".

The joke in question:

[image snipped]

Yeah, I don't see it.  For two reasons.  One, there's no mention that the person he had sex with actually was trans.  Maybe he was just a very convincing drag queen, or maybe the guy had beer goggles.

And two, the butt of the joke is the aforementioned fool.  Seems to me that it's really more of a jab at idiotic dudebros who think they're the next Hugh Hefner.

But then again, when have radflakes ever let the truth get in the way of "Social Justice"?

The "find yourself in bed with a man" reveal is a common trope that is used in a lot of transphobic jokes (see for instance: pretty much every sitcom ever). It generally implies that a) transwomen are really men, b) nobody would willingly have sex with a transwoman, and c) transwomen are predators going around trying to trick men into having sex with them.

Is this a specific instance of that joke? Not quite. But it's strongly reminiscent of it, it supports the underlying trope, and I can understand why people would have negative reactions to it. That doesn't mean those who wrote it were transphobic or trying to imply any of the points above (you could make a point for it being homophobic humour, if you wanted to). It does mean I can sympathise with people who find it hurtful.

As an aside,  who the butt of the joke is not the only thing that can be objectionable about it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 30, 2015, 04:48:47 pm
Oh look UP not getting something.

Ironbite-wish I could be surprised.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 30, 2015, 05:10:52 pm
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/fd85f00fe43ba1b1eaabd07b8f1e7977/tumblr_nllf4zj7rD1u00qgto1_500.png)

Someone tell me who this person is. I swear, I am not going to go after them with three hours of dad jokes.

Because fatshaming upsets Ironchew, I'll do it more.

Quote
mediocre-queen
Follow

I love being fat, I’m so fucking cute.

Hope you enjoy it now. Because when your heart gets clogged up, well, that's when things get painful.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/a7756baa63a0a8e1e70fad8efab69567/tumblr_nl1zfjeyG71tc1vr4o1_540.jpg)

Quote
This is what a 6 foot tall, 350 lb double bellied woman looks like when she is sitting down and looking at her subjects.

And I can tell you what you're going to look like when you're suffering from breast cancer and heart failure, both of which have been proven to be linked to obesity.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 30, 2015, 07:01:34 pm
Wow really Niam?  Really?  REALLY!?

Ironbite-ON THIS BOARD....REALLY!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 30, 2015, 07:03:49 pm
Oh cool, we're bullying people now!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 30, 2015, 08:25:05 pm
Wait, why aren't people angry about the rape by false pretenses with the Pillars of Eternity thing?

Also, you are all dipshits for taking Ironchew seriously for even a second. Like wow- I've seen less idiocy on /x/ discussions of mind control trade organizations.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 30, 2015, 08:55:21 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 30, 2015, 08:25:05 pm
Also, you are all dipshits for taking Ironchew seriously for even a second. Like wow- I've seen less idiocy on /x/ discussions of mind control trade organizations.
What? SCM, you make no goddanm sense , Ironchew didn't say anything crazy and Bite and I are mad at Niam for bullying people for not thinking they look horrible.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on March 30, 2015, 09:05:00 pm
My point isn't that complaining about bullying is at all bad, it was that Ironchew "complaining about fat-shaming" is a ridiculous thing for him to do if you know him. Thus, one must conclude that Ironchew is jesting in regards to the so-called fat-shaming.

As for Niam, kid's a sociopath- making it absurd to complain about his moral fiber.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 30, 2015, 09:16:09 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on March 30, 2015, 09:05:00 pm
My point isn't that complaining about bullying is at all bad, it was that Ironchew "complaining about fat-shaming" is a ridiculous thing for him to do if you know him. Thus, one must conclude that Ironchew is jesting in regards to the so-called fat-shaming.

As for Niam, kid's a sociopath- making it absurd to complain about his moral fiber.
Ah
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 30, 2015, 09:38:06 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 30, 2015, 07:01:34 pm
Wow really Niam?  Really?  REALLY!?

Ironbite-ON THIS BOARD....REALLY!?

The fact is, these people insist others need to change their personal beauty standard to accommodate them, when they're either making a token effort at getting better, or actively trying to get fatter.

That, and the "subjects" line is reminiscent of divine-kin and their belief that they deserve worship. They want people to look at them as just as attractive and beautiful as someone else. What people find attractive and beautiful is their own business. Its not a Social Justice cause, but a lot of Radicals are taking it up because "people's feels are being hurt."

That and - well, its probably my lack of empathy showing - I cannot see why people would be happy being in such a state, why people would be satisfied with such.

And if calling people out on their absurd activity makes me a bully, then so be it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 30, 2015, 10:07:27 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 30, 2015, 09:38:06 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 30, 2015, 07:01:34 pm
Wow really Niam?  Really?  REALLY!?

Ironbite-ON THIS BOARD....REALLY!?

The fact is, these people insist others need to change their personal beauty standard to accommodate them, when they're either making a token effort at getting better, or actively trying to get fatter.

That, and the "subjects" line is reminiscent of divine-kin and their belief that they deserve worship. They want people to look at them as just as attractive and beautiful as someone else. What people find attractive and beautiful is their own business. Its not a Social Justice cause, but a lot of Radicals are taking it up because "people's feels are being hurt."

That and - well, its probably my lack of empathy showing - I cannot see why people would be happy being in such a state, why people would be satisfied with such.

And if calling people out on their absurd activity makes me a bully, then so be it.

You clearly seem to enjoy making fun of fat people. When accused of bullying, you start grasping for justifications.

It's not a good idea to double down here. Take it to F&B and make fun of me all you want if you must, but don't pretend you're taking the reasonable position when everyone can see through your excuses.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on March 30, 2015, 10:25:37 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 30, 2015, 09:38:06 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 30, 2015, 07:01:34 pm
Wow really Niam?  Really?  REALLY!?

Ironbite-ON THIS BOARD....REALLY!?

The fact is, these people insist others need to change their personal beauty standard to accommodate them, when they're either making a token effort at getting better, or actively trying to get fatter.

That, and the "subjects" line is reminiscent of divine-kin and their belief that they deserve worship. They want people to look at them as just as attractive and beautiful as someone else. What people find attractive and beautiful is their own business. Its not a Social Justice cause, but a lot of Radicals are taking it up because "people's feels are being hurt."

That and - well, its probably my lack of empathy showing - I cannot see why people would be happy being in such a state, why people would be satisfied with such.

And if calling people out on their absurd activity makes me a bully, then so be it.

No I'm going to continue to do my best Miz impression because that's fucking low dude.

Ironbite-really low.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 30, 2015, 10:54:14 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on March 30, 2015, 10:07:27 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 30, 2015, 09:38:06 pm
Quote from: ironbite on March 30, 2015, 07:01:34 pm
Wow really Niam?  Really?  REALLY!?

Ironbite-ON THIS BOARD....REALLY!?

The fact is, these people insist others need to change their personal beauty standard to accommodate them, when they're either making a token effort at getting better, or actively trying to get fatter.

That, and the "subjects" line is reminiscent of divine-kin and their belief that they deserve worship. They want people to look at them as just as attractive and beautiful as someone else. What people find attractive and beautiful is their own business. Its not a Social Justice cause, but a lot of Radicals are taking it up because "people's feels are being hurt."

That and - well, its probably my lack of empathy showing - I cannot see why people would be happy being in such a state, why people would be satisfied with such.

And if calling people out on their absurd activity makes me a bully, then so be it.

You clearly seem to enjoy making fun of fat people. When accused of bullying, you start grasping for justifications.

It's not a good idea to double down here. Take it to F&B and make fun of me all you want if you must, but don't pretend you're taking the reasonable position when everyone can see through your excuses.

Nah, this tangent got boring.

@ Ironbite: Hm, well, given your intellect and record on these boards, I'll accept this. Acknowledging it was a low blow, making a note of negative reactions.

All that I'll say further is that my perspective is solely shaped by my personal experience with fatness, and how I got out of it. Admittedly, with my disorder in mind, I cannot think of the situations of others with equal importance.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on March 31, 2015, 01:03:06 am
(http://i.imgur.com/0T2qqWp.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/yYmh854.gif)

For those who may not remember, this is the woman who claims that Twitter gave her PTSD.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 31, 2015, 02:29:06 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 31, 2015, 01:03:06 am
(http://i.imgur.com/0T2qqWp.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/yYmh854.gif)

For those who may not remember, this is the woman who claims that Twitter gave her PTSD.
http://www.skepticink.com/gps/2014/04/18/can-one-get-ptsd-via-twitter/ (http://www.skepticink.com/gps/2014/04/18/can-one-get-ptsd-via-twitter/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 31, 2015, 02:38:25 am
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if you use the term “special snowflake” i hate you, no exceptions, you’re garbage

This was put into the Actually Divine tag.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/34d07f8b90b7fc4b574760de7bab425d/tumblr_njz8a7bnLn1thp08zo1_540.png)

...wow. Very nice Dandy Mott impression. I'm almost impressed. Almost.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/fc05ac7a83c3a52541ba41f626fb1d3c/tumblr_nglqvjLRGe1u3lofso3_250.png)

Sure, mumble hooha at me.

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god i have no idea wtf is going on rn like

am i other kin

am i a deity

am i just over complicating simple feelings to the point of no return

fuk i would love to have someone who actually knows more about this to talk to like damn

That grammar hurts. Also, go see a therapist about all of that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on March 31, 2015, 08:44:18 am
(click to show/hide)

to the fat girl who sparked a needless controversy. just because you weigh twice my weight does not mean you count twice as much as me [/ego check]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on March 31, 2015, 09:26:54 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 31, 2015, 02:29:06 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on March 31, 2015, 01:03:06 am
(http://i.imgur.com/0T2qqWp.jpg)
For those who may not remember, this is the woman who claims that Twitter gave her PTSD.
http://www.skepticink.com/gps/2014/04/18/can-one-get-ptsd-via-twitter/ (http://www.skepticink.com/gps/2014/04/18/can-one-get-ptsd-via-twitter/)

The article is interesting, and he is correct. it is possible to suffer from PTSD symptoms from the trauma of cyber bullying. After all, people have committed suicide from cyber bullying, so it seems reasonable to agree that one can undergo significant trauma.
That said though, I am inclined to question the validity of her specific claim.
Given that places like twitter and tumbler use a social currency of privilege of which mental disorders are a common part thereof, is the first thing to make me question it. However, given that one of the symptoms of PTSD is avoidance, I find that her eagerness to return to the places where she received such bullying to defend her claims runs counter to the actual symptom. Short version I dont believe her. twitter and tumbler celebrities will say anything to keep getting the views.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 31, 2015, 10:03:47 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/fyn1n7.jpg)

Gee, why don't you ask the Scottsboro Boys?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 31, 2015, 10:49:12 am
Quote from: Sylvana on March 31, 2015, 09:26:54 am
The article is interesting, and he is correct. it is possible to suffer from PTSD symptoms from the trauma of cyber bullying. After all, people have committed suicide from cyber bullying, so it seems reasonable to agree that one can undergo significant trauma.
That said though, I am inclined to question the validity of her specific claim.
Given that places like twitter and tumbler use a social currency of privilege of which mental disorders are a common part thereof, is the first thing to make me question it. However, given that one of the symptoms of PTSD is avoidance, I find that her eagerness to return to the places where she received such bullying to defend her claims runs counter to the actual symptom. Short version I dont believe her. twitter and tumbler celebrities will say anything to keep getting the views.

Not every instance of every disorder presents every symptom. Maybe she is making it up, maybe she isn't, but I'm super uncomfortable with the idea of diagnosing someone over their twitter posting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 01, 2015, 08:08:38 am
I, for one, am super-comfortable with invalidating the claims of those who get veterans fired for calling them out on their bullshit claims.

Seriously, fuck her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 01, 2015, 11:45:16 am
Warning: big image

(click to show/hide)

"...you have just as little right to police the bodies of children as you do adults."

Then why the fuck are you doing exactly that?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 01, 2015, 01:53:23 pm
How telling that this commenter presumes that diet and exercise is a "prison". So if somebody isn't stuffing their face with Doritos there is some problem with them? I would consider being obese more of a prison. Not being able to climb a set of stairs without being out of breath. a higher chance of type 2 diabetes. Having this explained to people isn't "fat shaming", it's the reality of being fat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 01, 2015, 02:30:31 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 01, 2015, 01:53:23 pm
How telling that this commenter presumes that diet and exercise is a "prison". So if somebody isn't stuffing their face with Doritos there is some problem with them? I would consider being obese more of a prison. Not being able to climb a set of stairs without being out of breath. a higher chance of type 2 diabetes. Having this explained to people isn't "fat shaming", it's the reality of being fat.

Actually, that may not necessarily be true.  There is evidence to suggest that "fat" and "healthy" aren't mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on April 01, 2015, 06:17:45 pm
(http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/anKnKw5_460s.jpg)

anyone not giving a fuck say "aye".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 01, 2015, 07:32:58 pm
I was a fat little kid, a fat teenager, and I hated it. Absolutely hated it. That body was more of a prison than a diet and exercise ever were. I felt helpless, hated myself more than I did anything else.

That's why I take such a dim view of these kinds of body positivity types.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 01, 2015, 08:53:24 pm
Quote from: guizonde on April 01, 2015, 06:17:45 pm
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anyone not giving a fuck say "aye".

aye
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on April 01, 2015, 08:55:16 pm
Quote from: guizonde on April 01, 2015, 06:17:45 pm
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anyone not giving a fuck say "aye".
A fucking navy's worth of ayes here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 01, 2015, 09:15:40 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/4lrbjp.jpg)

The best way so solve racism is racially motivated genocide.  You heard it here, folks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 01, 2015, 09:26:06 pm
Get this guy and the MISCEGENATION IS GENOCIDE ANTIRACISM IS ANTIWHITE original poster in the same room.

Lock the door behind them. Wait. Listen to what goes on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 01, 2015, 09:54:45 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/vd0qw2.jpg)

(http://i58.tinypic.com/255j1co_th.jpg)

Of all the unnecessary things on this godforsaken website, this is the most unnecessary. If whatever it is that makes you disassociate is severe enough that a harmless yet annoying April fools day prank is enough to set it off, stay off the internet on April fools day.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 01, 2015, 10:54:43 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 01, 2015, 09:15:40 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/4lrbjp.jpg)

The best way so solve racism is racially motivated genocide.  You heard it here, folks.

95% on troll. It mirrors everything the "anti-racist is anti-white" crowd says.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Commissar Kaz on April 01, 2015, 11:58:21 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on April 01, 2015, 09:54:45 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/vd0qw2.jpg)

(http://i58.tinypic.com/255j1co_th.jpg)

Of all the unnecessary things on this godforsaken website, this is the most unnecessary. If whatever it is that makes you disassociate is severe enough that a harmless yet annoying April fools day prank is enough to set it off, stay off the internet on April fools day.

Is there just some large group of people I've never heard of who go bonkers if something doesn't happen the way they thought it would? If so, that's really stupid, and I'm pretty sure not how mental disorders work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 02, 2015, 09:22:36 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2yubr60.jpg)

Why is political lesbianism still a thing?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 02, 2015, 09:27:33 am
At least it has been years since I last heard someone claim that women should "recruit" more lesbians by targeting girls. (Since 10 year old kids are "pliable and easy to influence.")
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on April 02, 2015, 10:25:02 am
Quote from: guizonde on April 01, 2015, 06:17:45 pm
(http://img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/anKnKw5_460s.jpg)

anyone not giving a fuck say "aye".

Yeah, ok, um. Carl Jung,  the guy who originally defined what had become accepted as introvert absence extrovert, also pointed out that nearly everyone falls somewhere in the middle. That anyone all the way at one edge or the other would most likely end up at the "loony bin".

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 02, 2015, 11:14:50 am
Quote from: Commissar Kaz on April 01, 2015, 11:58:21 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on April 01, 2015, 09:54:45 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/vd0qw2.jpg)

(http://i58.tinypic.com/255j1co_th.jpg)

Of all the unnecessary things on this godforsaken website, this is the most unnecessary. If whatever it is that makes you disassociate is severe enough that a harmless yet annoying April fools day prank is enough to set it off, stay off the internet on April fools day.

Is there just some large group of people I've never heard of who go bonkers if something doesn't happen the way they thought it would? If so, that's really stupid, and I'm pretty sure not how mental disorders work.
I've heard that people with autism/OCD are pretty sensitive to this sort of thing, but you'd think if someone's smart enough to use the internet they're smart enough to anticipate April Fools Day. (You'd also think they'd make reasonable behavior modifications to prevent these disastrous, supposedly super-common negative reactions to the unexpected, buuuuuuuuut that involves personal responsibility and that's super duper TrIgGeRiNg!!!1!!!!one!!!!!)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on April 02, 2015, 11:18:48 am
Quote from: askold on April 02, 2015, 09:27:33 am
At least it has been years since I last heard someone claim that women should "recruit" more lesbians by targeting girls. (Since 10 year old kids are "pliable and easy to influence.")

Wow, it's like these people actually want to live up to fundie stereotypes of them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 03, 2015, 03:32:06 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/nzjbz9.jpg)

And plants feed on animal droppings.  Ewww!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 03, 2015, 05:09:57 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 01, 2015, 09:15:40 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/4lrbjp.jpg)

The best way so solve racism is racially motivated genocide.  You heard it here, folks.


(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/v05LKGMC3i4/hqdefault.jpg)

(http://i2.wp.com/www.japancrush.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/racist-sign-in-china-japan-anger-01-2.jpg?resize=598%2C400)

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/6e86d67ac5af566240e2007ee16bd603/tumblr_nf807vCn611rb6o2yo3_1280.png)

Well look at that. It's almost as if you don't have to be white to be racist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on April 04, 2015, 02:17:39 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 03, 2015, 03:32:06 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/nzjbz9.jpg)

And plants feed on animal droppings.  Ewww!

Sunlight is energy from the big bang stored in hydrogen atoms, rereleased, and further filtered by Earth's atmosphere, and that's before it gets to plants.

It's sewer water all the way down. Truly energy-conscious beings feed directly from the cosmic background radiation and let nothing escape.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 04, 2015, 08:03:08 am
I harness hatred straight from the Shadow Dimensions. it's why I'm such a cheerful person.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 04, 2015, 08:20:39 am
Quote from: Ironchew on April 04, 2015, 02:17:39 am
Sunlight is energy from the big bang stored in hydrogen atoms, rereleased, and further filtered by Earth's atmosphere, and that's before it gets to plants.

It's sewer water all the way down. Truly energy-conscious beings feed directly from the cosmic background radiation and let nothing escape.

Sounds like a Doctor Who monster.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 04, 2015, 05:53:32 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on April 04, 2015, 08:03:08 am
I harness hatred straight from the Shadow Dimensions. it's why I'm such a cheerful person.

*hands you a bill*

Ironbite-you're overdue on your payment.  Pay up or we cut you off.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 04, 2015, 10:30:03 pm
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/b89d3c18719f56febe1bfdd58a7b666a/tumblr_nmaule0lSu1sblth0o1_400.jpg)

Poe's law strikes again!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 04, 2015, 11:37:48 pm
Ted Bundy: Woah woah woah! I was gonna rape you and kill you, but you're fucking Trans? Disgusting! Fucking turn off, 1 outta 10, not worth raping. -runs away-

S From Twitter: YOU TRANSPHOBIC BIGOT! GET BACK HERE!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 04, 2015, 11:47:27 pm
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/fb403e5b7dc41bddf93fc1688033694a/tumblr_nmawl8y8Er1u00qgto1_500.png)

Tumblr: Welcome to Nonsense Land.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/e3195095a3927870a8e106242491061e/tumblr_nlbxtpEJZr1u00qgto1_540.png)

....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 05, 2015, 02:50:03 am
I'm not sure why you can't understand the second one, it's obviously stating how the Erin Jäger tomatoe reverse bum and triple dick shot illuminati! You would almost think you're not a double edged nunchuck fucker.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 05, 2015, 04:31:18 am
Tumblr decided to deck the dashboard out as a parody of Microsoft Office on April Fools day. As usual, some users couldn't take the joke:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 05, 2015, 04:09:01 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on April 04, 2015, 11:47:27 pm
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/fb403e5b7dc41bddf93fc1688033694a/tumblr_nmawl8y8Er1u00qgto1_500.png)

Tumblr: Welcome to Nonsense Land.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/e3195095a3927870a8e106242491061e/tumblr_nlbxtpEJZr1u00qgto1_540.png)

....

Yes please tell me how Naruto and Hinata are trans when nothing has ever been mentioned about that and NARUTO GOT HIS WHISKERS AFTER THE 9 TAIL GOT SHOVED INTO HIM!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 05, 2015, 05:57:33 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/jv0xs4.jpg)

What about night owls who always wake up in the afternoon?  Are they racist?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 05, 2015, 06:15:07 pm
This just in: nocturnal neo-nazis are officially Not Racist. More at eleven.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 05, 2015, 09:20:00 pm
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/d722eb60c0ac5eaffc6c545cf4d5e077/tumblr_n628u6M5Ge1qdiyjgo1_250.png)

Because Polish Jew = Generic "white man" Ariosophic vision of purity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 06, 2015, 05:34:57 am
http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/education-2/this-ucla-professor-called-racist-for-the-horrible-thing-he-did-to-a-black-student

THIS HORRIBLE PROFESSOR DARED TO CORRECT THE GRAMMAR USED BY A POC!!!

Really, that is all he did. A student returned a paper that had grammatical errors so the professor corrected the errors (and presumably docked some points) and as a result 25 activists staged a protest against him.

Quote
“A hostile campus climate has been the norm for Students of Color in this class throughout the quarter as our epistemological and methodological commitments have been repeatedly questioned by our classmates and our instructor. The barrage of questions by white colleagues and the grammar ‘lessons’ by the professor have contributed to a hostile class climate.”

How is it possible that in a country that has REAL issues with racism you find activists who wish to create imaginary problems and concentrate on those? Couldn't they protest against police brutality or something?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 06, 2015, 06:23:10 am
Of course it's racist to correct a black student's grammar. You know, because darkies are too stupid to know any better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 06, 2015, 12:17:58 pm
I did just a little digging so far, links to links within versions of this "viral" story. So far, I determined that the site first linked to is a small-government-conservative site, no surprise since it's named the Federalist Papers. I did find a quoted UCLA Report PDF document about racial bias incident investigations amongst the faculty and administration, not the student body. When I get time later on I'll back check other links.

In any case, if the story about students protesting a university instructor's grammar/spelling corrections is true, well, it just seems like IRL trolling or Tumblrina spew. It's just not possible for any student of any race to have never experienced seeing teachers' spelling, grammar or factual corrections on their work assignments, going all the way back to first grade.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 06, 2015, 12:50:30 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on April 06, 2015, 12:17:58 pm
It's just not possible for any student of any race to have never experienced seeing teachers' spelling, grammar or factual corrections on their work assignments, going all the way back to first grade.

...But is it possible that a group that wanted to protest on something this absurd waited until a random professor corrected someones assignment and then had this protest so that there would be precedent for cases like this? Maybe it was trolling. Maybe they didn't have any proper reason to be angry so they made up something like this. Maybe they are Tumblr social justice warriors and only recently got organized and this was the first time they had a live protest over "Tumblr type" issues.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 06, 2015, 02:49:56 pm
Yeah, there have been other recent cases of Tumblrina virus infestations erupting in real life on campuses recently. Like that "No American flags on Campus - it oppresses non-citizen students!".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on April 06, 2015, 03:02:34 pm
And always in California to boot. The last one was at UC Berkeley, I think.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 06, 2015, 03:04:23 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on April 06, 2015, 02:49:56 pm
Yeah, there have been other recent cases of Tumblrina virus infestations erupting in real life on campuses recently. Like that "No American flags on Campus - it oppresses non-citizen students!".
Snopes pointed out the ban didn't actually stay that "No American flags allowed on campus"
http://www.snopes.com/politics/education/ucirvine.asp


Another possibility here is that the students were actually protesting something like racial discrimination in grading and this was clickbaitified into "Students protest teacher who gave bad grade".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on April 06, 2015, 07:20:52 pm
I'd be more than able to believe either one of those possibilities, really. Clickbait happens all the time, but on the other hand... radflakes are getting bolder and bolder.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 06, 2015, 07:45:19 pm
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/4e8f226d12f1f0f80447319266328978/tumblr_nly75ocHCQ1u00qgto1_500.png)

...These fucking otherkin...

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/d45d0af888b644fee79a4b3dd5708744/tumblr_nld4zj4zIX1u00qgto1_540.png)

...What.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 07, 2015, 12:25:35 am
Quote from: askold on April 06, 2015, 05:34:57 am
http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/education-2/this-ucla-professor-called-racist-for-the-horrible-thing-he-did-to-a-black-student

THIS HORRIBLE PROFESSOR DARED TO CORRECT THE GRAMMAR USED BY A POC!!!

Really, that is all he did. A student returned a paper that had grammatical errors so the professor corrected the errors (and presumably docked some points) and as a result 25 activists staged a protest against him.

It's a bit more complicated than that. They aren't objecting to grammatical errors being corrected, their objection is that they don't think the alleged errors were such, but rather a reflection of ideological differences. The one example given is on whether you should capitalise Indigenous*. The other thing mentioned is that the professor wanted papers in the form of Chicago Manual of Style and some students wanted APA style because it is more commonly used in the social sciences. I don't know if this is representative of the general type of errors discussed.

There is also the claim that this is just one thing of many and they are protesting general policies that discourage a conversation on race or something to that effect.

My view here is that enforcing overly-strict rules on capitalisation and citation styles is pointless bullshit, but also that maybe the way to deal with that pointless bullshit is to just use the citation style the other guy likes because otherwise you're just piling bullshit on bullshit and it's your grade that suffers for it. I have no idea whether the other stuff was deserving of a protest. Students protesting for stupid reasons is a thing**, but also people being unfairly dismissive of student protests.

*capitalised here not because I have any position on the subject, but because I have to write it some way and I flipped a coin.

**it certainly is one of the favourite activities of my student centre, grumble grumble.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 07, 2015, 09:21:28 am
So, Kylie Jenner posted a picture of herself with silver skin on Instagram, and the Outrage Brigade is calling it "blackface".

https://archive.today/DolRT (https://archive.today/DolRT)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 07, 2015, 11:26:58 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 07, 2015, 09:21:28 am
So, Kylie Jenner posted a picture of herself with silver skin on Instagram, and the Outrage Brigade is calling it "blackface".

https://archive.today/DolRT (https://archive.today/DolRT)
That does look fairly blackface-ey.
Hold on, what does zegaurd have to say?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 07, 2015, 01:12:55 pm
This Twitter tempest is turning into another What Color is The Dress meltdown.

It looks like a graphite silver with subtle violet tones, to me. The photographer created the effect by using neon and ultraviolet lighting (AKA, "black light" - ha!). I'm no fan of any of the professional celebutards, but Kylie Jenner is stunningly beautiful in these pictures.

Historically racist black face involved very heavy paste or "pancake" makeup, originally made by mixing burnt cork ashes with lard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 07, 2015, 02:46:53 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on April 07, 2015, 01:12:55 pm
This Twitter tempest is turning into another What Color is The Dress meltdown.

It looks like a graphite silver with subtle violet tones, to me. The photographer created the effect by using neon and ultraviolet lighting (AKA, "black light" - ha!). I'm no fan of any of the professional celebutards, but Kylie Jenner is stunningly beautiful in these pictures.

Historically racist black face involved very heavy paste or "pancake" makeup, originally made by mixing burnt cork ashes with lard.
Ah.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 07, 2015, 05:04:06 pm
(https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/1428318194534-png.22450/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on April 07, 2015, 05:32:16 pm
Any idea what "queer game design structures" are?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 07, 2015, 05:43:18 pm
"Press F to pay manwhore"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 07, 2015, 06:11:04 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 07, 2015, 05:04:06 pm
(https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/1428318194534-png.22450/)

I have no Idea who Bagnall is, I have no idea what Gone Home is other than that it's a game, I have no idea what reductivist* and negative lenses are or how queer youth are are represented through them, and I have absolutely no idea what the hell "queer game design structures" are.

Seriously, the fuck does that last one mean? Is it when someone sucks ass at modelling a building for a game and you end up with a virtual Leaning Tower of Piza?

If your point is that you want more LGBT characters in games, great. Say it in a way that doesn't come off as bullshit art critique speak.

Tangent: Anyone ever heard of the time someone made a computer program that would take all kinds of big words and arrange them in a semi-coherent manner, and then sent stuff produced by the program to several big art magazines and it ended up being published? The funniest part was that since I had at least a vague idea of what most of the words actually mean, it looked like incoherent gibberish to me.

 A similar idea was used to make a Deepak Chopra Tweet generator. It pulls various tweets of his which often use large words that he definitely doesn't know the meaning of, and uses that to base the generated tweets on. It arranges the bits together in ways that half the time are more coherent that Chopra's actual tweets. Of course in makes frequent use of the word "quantum" in stupid ways, as Chopra apparently does himself. How that woo peddler gets so much attention I'll never know.


*Spellcheck wants to correct that to reductionist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 07, 2015, 09:23:54 pm
Queer game design structures...?  Sooooo, writing a game in Lisp, then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 07, 2015, 10:07:41 pm
I don't know anymore.  I just don't.  There's this subset of people who have become so prissy

Ironbite-and just so upset at times.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 07, 2015, 10:46:34 pm
Summary: nobody knows what queer game design structures are, but you know that it's terrible that people talk about them...?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on April 07, 2015, 11:41:16 pm
I'm just trying to figure out exactly what they're trying to say.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 08, 2015, 09:45:21 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2qkpba1.jpg)

Ending AIDS?  Feminism.  Ending poverty and hunger?  Feminism.  Increasing economic growth?  Feminism.

It's like for these people, "feminism" is just a buzzword they use for any possible change that they believe to be for the better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on April 08, 2015, 06:08:17 pm
UP actually increasing female equality, employment and education (you know feminism) has been shown to reduce poverty, reduce prevalence of VD and increased economic growth. Because you know being able to choose who you sleep with and whether a condom is used, reducing birthrates, employing a further 50% of the population and allowing them to get better jobs tends to actually help with all those things.

Just look at the cracker behind Grameen bank in Bangladesh - he basically only lends to women.

Although I thing the answer the card was looking for was 'using condoms'.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 08, 2015, 06:30:57 pm
Quote from: davedan on April 08, 2015, 06:08:17 pm
UP actually increasing female equality, employment and education (you know feminism) has been shown to reduce poverty, reduce prevalence of VD and increased economic growth. Because you know being able to choose who you sleep with and whether a condom is used, reducing birthrates, employing a further 50% of the population and allowing them to get better jobs tends to actually help with all those things.

Just look at the cracker behind Grameen bank in Bangladesh - he basically only lends to women.

Although I thing the answer the card was looking for was 'using condoms'.

Huh.  I hadn't thought of it that way.  But you gotta admit, it's kind of a roundabout solution.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on April 08, 2015, 06:39:47 pm
No. No I don't.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 09, 2015, 12:34:27 am
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/0bf79ab6ff8b9c72b35bf50e687b4a98/tumblr_nln10wpMev1so3hnwo7_1280.png)
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/83d16ab753c9ff538f50dc2e92d2a189/tumblr_nln10wpMev1so3hnwo2_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 09, 2015, 12:57:51 am
And here I thought all the Transracials got shooed out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cloud3514 on April 09, 2015, 01:42:18 am
I see some stupid people are still trying to make "transethnicity" a thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 09, 2015, 02:23:33 am
What's next? TransClique?

"I know I'm kind of a boring white girl, but inside, my heart, my mind...is goth / emo. CRAWLIN IN MAH SKIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNN!!!!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on April 09, 2015, 02:28:25 am
I'm going to ignore the most obvious bit of stupidity there, and instead point out that she thinks she's "transkorean" because she likes kpop. So, since I like jpop, does that make me "transjapanese"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 09, 2015, 04:37:31 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on April 09, 2015, 02:28:25 am
I'm going to ignore the most obvious bit of stupidity there, and instead point out that she thinks she's "transkorean" because she likes kpop. So, since I like jpop, does that make me "transjapanese"?

Either you are transjapanese or you liking Japanese things is cultural appropriation. It is that simple.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 09, 2015, 04:53:18 am
Alright then, I have a very simple decision to make.

I have always identified with the Dark Souls boss "The Pursuer". I have felt for the longest time that I must fly around riding gigantic eagles and skewering people on a gigantic sword while rocking a Zeonic Mono-Eye. I am TransAlkenian.

Hence why I attend school in massive plate armor, with a flashlight taped to my head.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 09, 2015, 05:58:39 am
Cisethnic privilege not being hacked to pieces with a machete when you're transsomalian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 09, 2015, 08:24:54 am
Quote from: niam2023 on April 09, 2015, 04:53:18 am
Alright then, I have a very simple decision to make.

I have always identified with the Dark Souls boss "The Pursuer". I have felt for the longest time that I must fly around riding gigantic eagles and skewering people on a gigantic sword while rocking a Zeonic Mono-Eye. I am TransAlkenian.

Hence why I attend school in massive plate armor, with a flashlight taped to my head.

Unfortunately for you, I identify as trans-Cursed Undead. I'm coming for yo souls, buddy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 09, 2015, 08:45:16 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2h55ly1.jpg)
I'm still waiting for someone to identify as "attentionwhoregender", but I think this comes pretty close.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2015, 09:22:00 am
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on April 09, 2015, 08:45:16 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2h55ly1.jpg)
I'm still waiting for someone to identify as "attentionwhoregender", but I think this comes pretty close.

Well, at least they've got some self-awareness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 09, 2015, 11:09:24 am
Can't find this page.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 09, 2015, 12:01:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on April 09, 2015, 11:09:24 am
Can't find this page.

(http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/i-see-what-you-did-there-slow.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2015, 05:03:06 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/15mbtli.jpg)

Is nothing good enough for these idiots?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on April 09, 2015, 06:37:09 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2015, 05:03:06 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/15mbtli.jpg)

Is nothing good enough for these idiots?!
Context: for ages, women's position in the society has primarily been defined by their relationship to a man. They have been their fathers' daughters until marriage when they have become their husbands' wives and the man's position also defined the woman's. This is also connected to other issues with the attitudes towards women in society and these attitudes are still present in the language used when discussing women - even when people discussing don't realize it and don't intend to reproduce these old attitudes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jessibel on April 09, 2015, 06:56:52 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on April 09, 2015, 06:37:09 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2015, 05:03:06 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/15mbtli.jpg)

Is nothing good enough for these idiots?!
Context: for ages, women's position in the society has primarily been defined by their relationship to a man. They have been their fathers' daughters until marriage when they have become their husbands' wives and the man's position also defined the woman's. This is also connected to other issues with the attitudes towards women in society and these attitudes are still present in the language used when discussing women - even when people discussing don't realize it and don't intend to reproduce these old attitudes.

Not to mention the whole ages old phenomenon of men only suddenly realizing that women are people too after having a daughter. The whole "Nobody is ever going to treat my daughter the way I've treated almost every woman in my life."

Not to say this quote isn't extremely dismissive of men and their support. The guys saying sister, daughters, etc. are probably just trying to be supportive and express a solidarity of sorts. But there is enough of a lingering cultural problem with women's lives and identities merely being an extention of the identities of the men around her, that I really can't completely condemn this one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on April 09, 2015, 09:30:10 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on April 09, 2015, 06:37:09 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2015, 05:03:06 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/15mbtli.jpg)

Is nothing good enough for these idiots?!
Context: for ages, women's position in the society has primarily been defined by their relationship to a man. They have been their fathers' daughters until marriage when they have become their husbands' wives and the man's position also defined the woman's. This is also connected to other issues with the attitudes towards women in society and these attitudes are still present in the language used when discussing women - even when people discussing don't realize it and don't intend to reproduce these old attitudes.

And then you get into morganatic marriages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morganatic_marriage).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 09, 2015, 09:45:20 pm
Gonna have to disagree with you there.  The "sisters and daughters" rhetoric is used partially because it drives home the idea that rape, sexual assault, and abuse against women are not far-away issues; they are things that can affect the people closest to you.

And this may make me unpopular among my fellow feminists, but I don't have much of a problem with women being talked about in the context of familial relationships, as long as it's equally done with men.  The relationships we form are an important part of who we are.  Sure, I'm a sales broker/college graduate/protestant/gamer/globetrotter, but more important, I'm a brother, a friend, a father, a husband, and a son.  Those are the five most important identities I hold, because they refer to the people who make me who I am.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 10, 2015, 12:35:58 am
Men get talked about in familial way as well when they are victims, but mainly for violent crimes rather than rape.

Remember Obama's "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon..." statement?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on April 10, 2015, 12:47:41 am
Isn't rape generally considered a violent crime, though?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 10, 2015, 01:03:21 am
Quote from: Random Guy on April 10, 2015, 12:47:41 am
Isn't rape generally considered a violent crime, though?
...Good point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 10, 2015, 01:03:40 am
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/6c30a1930dee45dd484dcfcf9b4033ab/tumblr_nmgzeoq01p1u00qgto1_540.png)

Wonder if I should stop by her blog...

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/9bca72e31a63f0d01eca87f660665d00/tumblr_nme0zhVWyo1u00qgto1_540.jpg)

Who in the actual fuck cares.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/049cdc1da7c44b895bcca0a664c57f39/tumblr_nm9g8v7MTM1u00qgto1_540.png)

Great, now they're branching the "crush" thing out.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/8640e85304c804cc66e818d626c4e0f3/tumblr_nmewz3Cuwl1u00qgto1_540.png)

Its people like you that make mental disorders difficult to take seriously. Die.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/2b5abc40ea827b63fdb9c87555682af7/tumblr_nmh063S6lW1u00qgto1_500.png)

I suppose this is a good time to mention I hate uwu and everything else like it. It annoys the fuck outta me.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/f986175980ad0843f3c05e894819d3ed/tumblr_nm9gemMm4s1u00qgto1_250.png)

No one wants to talk to you, you attention whore.

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/63bffae3ba5c4311857ccb5a5aa4af92/tumblr_nmjpibvhvE1u00qgto1_540.png)

Why is allistic a word?

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/88ebbd496ae89d68b0e9e11d952c1d6b/tumblr_nmj3iiNZSt1u00qgto1_540.png)

Tumblr, KEEP GOING. Smoke them ALL out.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/c0d23e0dd18432670da909d10f0064bf/tumblr_nmjv3gglD21u00qgto1_540.png)

You are annoying.

You are beyond annoying. You are a sentient itch that refuses to be scratched. You're a spot of dry skin on the world's face.

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/c60a3c6b7729bc2073cfed4751d21970/tumblr_nm9gy3MimF1u00qgto1_500.png)

...For fuck sakes...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 10, 2015, 01:43:09 am
The calculus one is a joke making fun of made up stories, it's about as seriouse as the liberal muslim homosexual aclu lawyer copypasta.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on April 10, 2015, 06:33:31 am
since when was lara croft whitewashed? she's always been a british brunette with a tan (because you know, outdoors a lot). the confirmation bias is strong in these people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 10, 2015, 12:04:29 pm
(http://amultiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2015-02-24-To-Boldly-Go.jpg)

...Because the fact that Star trek was revolutionary back then (Roddenberry had to fight in order to have a black woman on the bridge of a space ship. And at least one female astronaut has said that Uhura was a big influence for her joining Nasa.) doesn't mean squat when you can judge it from today's perspective.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 10, 2015, 12:27:32 pm
I'm not sure that's a criticism of Roddenberry? It's a joke. Jokes are not about nuanced criticism.

Also, pretty sure Rosenberg is a fan of Star Trek.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 10, 2015, 02:43:09 pm
Quote from: askold on April 10, 2015, 12:04:29 pm
(http://amultiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2015-02-24-To-Boldly-Go.jpg)

...Because the fact that Star trek was revolutionary back then (Roddenberry had to fight in order to have a black woman on the bridge of a space ship. And at least one female astronaut has said that Uhura was a big influence for her joining Nasa.) doesn't mean squat when you can judge it from today's perspective.

And let's not forget the fact that none other than Martin Luther King, Jr. convinced her to stay on the show.

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/17/132942461/Star-Treks-Uhura-Reflects-On-MLK-Encounter (http://www.npr.org/2011/01/17/132942461/Star-Treks-Uhura-Reflects-On-MLK-Encounter)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on April 10, 2015, 05:39:56 pm
No mention of gay Asian men?

(Although I am aware the character wasn't written as gay)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 10, 2015, 11:17:48 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Jcu9hHd.jpg)

Tumblr bloggers are offended over a blank box.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 10, 2015, 11:59:06 pm
We've been over this, they're not offended, they just find the idea that the cartoonist can only create cartoons that offend minorities to be stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 11, 2015, 12:47:08 am
Either way, someone is getting needlessly butthurt over those cartoons.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 01:08:34 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 11, 2015, 12:47:08 am
Either way, someone is getting needlessly butthurt over those cartoons.
Well then give examples of people getting needlessly butthurt over cartoons. I mean, there's tons of political cartoons that are legitimatley offensive and deserve massive blowback (Micheal Ramirez, Bruce Tinsley, ect,)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 11, 2015, 01:44:51 am
The cartoon isn't about bigotry nor is it about being intentionally offensive. It's satirizing people like we see on Tumblr who are constantly offended by something.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 03:00:13 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 11, 2015, 01:44:51 am
The cartoon isn't about bigotry nor is it about being intentionally offensive. It's satirizing people like we see on Tumblr who are constantly offended by something.
I'll have two people smarter and wiser than me do the talking:

Quote
... I'm not sure they're wrong?

I mean, the cartoon makes the point that a lot of humour is transgressive in some way, and that's valid. But taken literally, it says that all humour must necessarily be transgressive, which is, y'know, not true. I'm not saying you should take it literally, because it's damn cartoon and all, but still.

And yeah, they frame it as the latest battle ground in the great struggle between marginalised groups and oppressors, but that's Tumblr for you.  That's the only way they know how to say something's bad.
Quote from: chitoryu12 on January 10, 2015, 01:08:18 am
Yeah, I agree with the Tumblr comments on this one. The cartoonist is whining that they basically can't make ANY jokes without mocking some kind of marginalized group. Charlie Hebdo isn't exactly biting satire; it's viciously anti-religious and advocates Islamophobia under the guise of "satire" and "free speech".

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 11, 2015, 03:40:15 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 01:08:34 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 11, 2015, 12:47:08 am
Either way, someone is getting needlessly butthurt over those cartoons.
Well then give examples of people getting needlessly butthurt over cartoons. I mean, there's tons of political cartoons that are legitimatley offensive and deserve massive blowback (Micheal Ramirez, Bruce Tinsley, ect,)
Well, clearly you, for starters.
Quote from: I am lizard on April 10, 2015, 11:59:06 pm
We've been over this, they're not offended, they just find the idea that the cartoonist can only create cartoons that offend minorities to be stupid.
Also, said minorities you speak off, assuming you can in fact speak for them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2015, 10:22:02 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2587xgi.jpg)

Refusing sex for a month annoys your significant other, so PIV is forced.

Refusing to show up for a month to work gets you fired, so jobs are slavery.

Refusing to blog for a month on Tumblr annoys your followers, so Tumblr is an obligation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 12:32:34 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 11, 2015, 03:40:15 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 01:08:34 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 11, 2015, 12:47:08 am
Either way, someone is getting needlessly butthurt over those cartoons.
Well then give examples of people getting needlessly butthurt over cartoons. I mean, there's tons of political cartoons that are legitimatley offensive and deserve massive blowback (Micheal Ramirez, Bruce Tinsley, ect,)

Well, clearly you, for starters.
Quote from: I am lizard on April 10, 2015, 11:59:06 pm
We've been over this, they're not offended, they just find the idea that the cartoonist can only create cartoons that offend minorities to be stupid.
Also, said minorities you speak off, assuming you can in fact speak for them.
I don't find the cartoon above offensive, just retarded, and if finding retarded things retarded makes one needlesly butthurt, then you'd be one of the most needlesly butthurt people I've met.

Also, are you aware who Micheal Ramirez is? He's made a comic stating Micheal Brown had it coming and another with a drawing of the challenger disaster labled "Obamacare".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 01:44:57 pm
Apparently the XKit guy (XKit is the thing tumblr users use to make tumblr layout not suck balls) was sent a bunch of hate mail because of an unsourced post going around accusing him of being a sexual predator.
He eventually had to quit tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2015, 01:49:55 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 01:44:57 pm
Apparently the XKit guy (XKit is the thing tumblr users use to make tumblr layout not suck balls) was sent a bunch of hate mail because of an unsourced post going around accusing him of being a sexual predator.

It seems like there's always a new boogeyman that leads to witch hunts.  In the 1950s, it was communists.  In the 1980s, it was Satanists.  Now, it's rapists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on April 11, 2015, 03:02:18 pm
Quote from: askold on April 10, 2015, 12:04:29 pm
(http://amultiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2015-02-24-To-Boldly-Go.jpg)

...Because the fact that Star trek was revolutionary back then (Roddenberry had to fight in order to have a black woman on the bridge of a space ship. And at least one female astronaut has said that Uhura was a big influence for her joining Nasa.) doesn't mean squat when you can judge it from today's perspective.

Yes, never mind the gay asian who was allowed to, you know, act like a human rather than a cartoon with coke-bottle glasses and buck teeth. And never mind the black woman who had to both take the helm and at one point also assume command (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Lorelei_Signal_(episode)) of the ship as well as having a, yes, white fucking Russian as a member of the command staff during the height of the fucking Cold War.

Stop white-washing history just so you can be offended.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on April 11, 2015, 03:14:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2015, 10:22:02 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2587xgi.jpg)

Refusing sex for a month annoys your significant other, so PIV is forced.

Refusing to show up for a month to work gets you fired, so jobs are slavery.

Refusing to blog for a month on Tumblr annoys your followers, so Tumblr is an obligation.

PIV in particular? So in this hypothetical situation, basically any other sexual contact is okay? Just no sticking the pOnOs in the vagOOO?

I'd be completely fine with that in this hypothetical situation, as a male. So clearly, PIV is not forced. Well, glad we got that figured out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on April 11, 2015, 03:43:03 pm
Quote from: Damen on April 11, 2015, 03:02:18 pm
Quote from: askold on April 10, 2015, 12:04:29 pm
(http://amultiverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2015-02-24-To-Boldly-Go.jpg)

...Because the fact that Star trek was revolutionary back then (Roddenberry had to fight in order to have a black woman on the bridge of a space ship. And at least one female astronaut has said that Uhura was a big influence for her joining Nasa.) doesn't mean squat when you can judge it from today's perspective.

Yes, never mind the gay asian who was allowed to, you know, act like a human rather than a cartoon with coke-bottle glasses and buck teeth. And never mind the black woman who had to both take the helm and at one point also assume command (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Lorelei_Signal_(episode)) of the ship as well as having a, yes, white fucking Russian as a member of the command staff during the height of the fucking Cold War.

Stop white-washing history just so you can be offended.

What's more, Roddenberry wanted more female characters, but the suits said no because "People might think some fooling around is going on." The suits never heard of slash fic. (In fact, Spirk may have been the first fandom pairing.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 11, 2015, 04:17:33 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 01:44:57 pm
Apparently the XKit guy (XKit is the thing tumblr users use to make tumblr layout not suck balls) was sent a bunch of hate mail because of an unsourced post going around accusing him of being a sexual predator.
He eventually had to quit tumblr.

And seeing as how Staff changed up tumblr, there's another faction demanding he come back and fix everything.

Ironbite-I giggle so hard right now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on April 11, 2015, 04:55:04 pm
If I were XKit guy, I would not come back to that place. We Tumblrites deserve everything we get from the staff.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 05:24:48 pm
Quote from: ironbite on April 11, 2015, 04:17:33 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 01:44:57 pm
Apparently the XKit guy (XKit is the thing tumblr users use to make tumblr layout not suck balls) was sent a bunch of hate mail because of an unsourced post going around accusing him of being a sexual predator.
He eventually had to quit tumblr.

And seeing as how Staff changed up tumblr, there's another faction demanding he come back and fix everything.

Ironbite-I giggle so hard right now.
Eh, appently everyone is upset about it as not very many were aware it was happening.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 05:31:27 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2015, 01:49:55 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 01:44:57 pm
Apparently the XKit guy (XKit is the thing tumblr users use to make tumblr layout not suck balls) was sent a bunch of hate mail because of an unsourced post going around accusing him of being a sexual predator.

It seems like there's always a new boogeyman that leads to witch hunts.  In the 1950s, it was communists.  In the 1980s, it was Satanists.  Now, it's rapists.
No they aren't. With those other things the threat was non-existent, but rape is an incredibly common occurence (it's something like 1-20 women and 1-50 men).

Plus, the decades witch hunt is Mudslimes and A-rabs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2015, 05:43:10 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 05:31:27 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2015, 01:49:55 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 01:44:57 pm
Apparently the XKit guy (XKit is the thing tumblr users use to make tumblr layout not suck balls) was sent a bunch of hate mail because of an unsourced post going around accusing him of being a sexual predator.

It seems like there's always a new boogeyman that leads to witch hunts.  In the 1950s, it was communists.  In the 1980s, it was Satanists.  Now, it's rapists.
No they aren't. With those other things the threat was non-existent, but rape is an incredibly common occurence (it's something like 1-20 women and 1-50 men).

Plus, the decades witch hunt is Mudslimes and A-rabs.

I'm not saying it isn't a problem; all I'm saying is that there have been incidents of hysteria, ones that hurt innocent people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 11, 2015, 06:09:10 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 12:32:34 pm
I don't find the cartoon above offensive, just retarded, and if finding retarded things retarded makes one needlesly butthurt, then you'd be one of the most needlesly butthurt people I've met.

Also, are you aware who Micheal Ramirez is? He's made a comic stating Micheal Brown had it coming and another with a drawing of the challenger disaster labled "Obamacare".
I wasn't referring to that specific cartoon, I was talking about the angst over other cartoons that it's mocking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 07:13:41 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on April 11, 2015, 06:09:10 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 11, 2015, 12:32:34 pm
I don't find the cartoon above offensive, just retarded, and if finding retarded things retarded makes one needlesly butthurt, then you'd be one of the most needlesly butthurt people I've met.

Also, are you aware who Micheal Ramirez is? He's made a comic stating Micheal Brown had it coming and another with a drawing of the challenger disaster labled "Obamacare".
I wasn't referring to that specific cartoon, I was talking about the angst over other cartoons that it's mocking.
Ah.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 12, 2015, 08:53:53 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2nlto43.jpg)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 12, 2015, 09:01:16 pm
r/iamverysmart
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 12, 2015, 09:27:07 pm

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 12, 2015, 08:53:53 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2nlto43.jpg)



cans.wav, lady, just cans.wav.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 13, 2015, 05:15:42 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/1BPHeWQ.png)

Filthy console untermenschen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 13, 2015, 07:15:21 pm
PC master race, bitches!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on April 14, 2015, 12:52:33 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 13, 2015, 05:15:42 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/1BPHeWQ.png)

Filthy console untermenschen.

So "I'm sad because I can't afford the new video game. It's someone else's fault!"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 14, 2015, 04:17:03 pm
http://fuckyeahdeadcrackers.tumblr.com/ (http://fuckyeahdeadcrackers.tumblr.com/)

The name says it all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on April 14, 2015, 04:28:15 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 14, 2015, 04:17:03 pm
http://fuckyeahdeadcrackers.tumblr.com/ (http://fuckyeahdeadcrackers.tumblr.com/)

The name says it all.

He's just venting. He doesn't actually mean it</s>
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 15, 2015, 12:04:52 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/5oe6ie.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on April 15, 2015, 08:43:02 pm
And that's fine with me. Go ahead and not respect my food making choices. Because with or without anyone else's respect, I will happily continue to eat animal, fish, and fowl.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 16, 2015, 10:03:38 am
I'll eat me a medium-well steak, down a Pepsi, and savour the smell of petrol as I get into a high-powered muscle car and drive for no reason other than simple pleasure.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 16, 2015, 11:04:14 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 14, 2015, 04:17:03 pm
http://fuckyeahdeadcrackers.tumblr.com/ (http://fuckyeahdeadcrackers.tumblr.com/)

The name says it all.

Rather Poe-ish. That tumblr looks like trolling either by a white supremacist in their never-ending quest to start a nation wide race war, or just a random troll to make the pantywaists scream and cry. And that is just my gut feeling, which I am self-entitled to as a cis white woman.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 16, 2015, 11:32:25 am
Quote from: mellenORL on April 16, 2015, 11:04:14 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 14, 2015, 04:17:03 pm
http://fuckyeahdeadcrackers.tumblr.com/ (http://fuckyeahdeadcrackers.tumblr.com/)

The name says it all.

Rather Poe-ish. That tumblr looks like trolling either by a white supremacist in their never-ending quest to start a nation wide race war, or just a random troll to make the pantywaists scream and cry. And that is just my gut feeling, which I am self-entitled to as a cis white woman.
*cough cough HELTER SKELTER cough cough*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 16, 2015, 05:07:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/yLCEjKM.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on April 16, 2015, 05:34:15 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on April 16, 2015, 11:32:25 am
Quote from: mellenORL on April 16, 2015, 11:04:14 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 14, 2015, 04:17:03 pm
http://fuckyeahdeadcrackers.tumblr.com/ (http://fuckyeahdeadcrackers.tumblr.com/)

The name says it all.

Rather Poe-ish. That tumblr looks like trolling either by a white supremacist in their never-ending quest to start a nation wide race war, or just a random troll to make the pantywaists scream and cry. And that is just my gut feeling, which I am self-entitled to as a cis white woman.
*cough cough HELTER SKELTER cough cough*

I would be willing to be that that the guy/or girl behind this is white. And fuck them for appropriating my crackers stick.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on April 16, 2015, 08:16:42 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 16, 2015, 05:07:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/yLCEjKM.png)

To this, I answer, "Oh, would you look at all those women of science in things like Microbiology, genetic research and becoming doctors, which until fairly recently in human history, was a male-dominated profession, but no longer.  Did I mention that the girls in my science classes did better than the guys on average by a full letter grade?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 16, 2015, 10:25:23 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 16, 2015, 05:07:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/yLCEjKM.png)



...how the hell does anyone try to pass off "all science was discovered by straight white men!" as a progressive stance?

I mean, I know how. I just saw it. But still, the fuck.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 17, 2015, 12:17:46 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/10e0sxl.jpg)

So if a black woman dates a white guy, she's a card-carrying member of the KKK?

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/20131215/4925451/mind-blown-o.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 17, 2015, 09:10:48 am
...Why does that brain in that gif have teeth? I find that rather disturbing.

Topic, stay on topic.

Well, of course, Perry! After all, the races don't mix, shitlord!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 17, 2015, 10:30:52 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 17, 2015, 09:10:48 am
...Why does that brain in that gif have teeth? I find that rather disturbing.

Because, if you started using Old Spice odor blocker body wash, rather than lady scented body wash, then you too could have a brain that can eat other brains. (Or steak, whatever it prefers.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 17, 2015, 09:07:16 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2dw9qtx.jpg)

That last post is just so fucking smarmy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 17, 2015, 11:21:15 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 16, 2015, 05:07:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/yLCEjKM.png)



Ibn al-Nafis was one of the first doctors to discover pulmonary circulation. Alan Turing's inventions gave us the modern computer, he was also persecuted for being gay. Grace Hopper was a computer programmer who invented the COBOL computer language. Alan Hart was a transgendered doctor who pioneered the use of X-ray technology.

You are erasing the accomplishments of thousands of people. Please learn some goddamned history.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 17, 2015, 11:30:52 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 17, 2015, 11:21:15 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 16, 2015, 05:07:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/yLCEjKM.png)



Ibn al-Nafis was one of the first doctors to discover pulmonary circulation. Alan Turing's inventions gave us the modern computer, he was also persecuted for being gay. Grace Hopper was a computer programmer who invented the COBOL computer language. Alan Hart was a transgendered doctor who pioneered the use of X-ray technology.

You are erasing the accomplishments of thousands of people. Please learn some goddamned history.
I can guess this SJW's response would be that History is written by cishet white men, and something about saying to learn history not being a radical thing to say.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 18, 2015, 03:56:06 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/32zrjns.jpg)

Oh, so generalizing is okay then.

Black people are criminals.  I won't try to qualify or justify it by saying "some".  The ones who get offended at me saying that are just the guilty ones.

This is how your logic sounds.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on April 19, 2015, 02:05:58 pm
Gentiles are murderous scum.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 19, 2015, 02:59:54 pm
Southerners are A) Inbred white trash redneck fucks B) Aerospace engineers who have sniffed too many fumes and are now all bonkers. C) Slave Owners. D) Neo-Confederates who are all obsessed with "Teutonic glory".

There are no exceptions. NO EXCEPTIONS, I TELL YOU!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 19, 2015, 03:23:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 17, 2015, 09:07:16 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2dw9qtx.jpg)

That last post is just so fucking smarmy.

If I could punch people through the internet, that last guy would be as good a candidate as any.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 19, 2015, 04:31:09 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Vn42Lbl.png)

Somebody's bitter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 19, 2015, 06:23:04 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 19, 2015, 04:31:09 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Vn42Lbl.png)

Somebody's bitter.

Well, I know who I am going to tear down today.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 20, 2015, 10:08:05 am
http://archive.today/5n9hZ (http://archive.today/5n9hZ)

"No one knows who Banksy is, or even if Banksy is one person, but I'm going to assume they're a white male so I can whine and cry about how Banksy doesn't deserve any credit, only artists I like deserve credit!"

Also, assuming that somebody is white just because they're British is fucking racist.  Have these people never heard of Idris Elba?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 22, 2015, 03:01:15 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/3503rpx.jpg)

A movement for gender equality and the advancement of women = not eating animal products.

Makes sense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 22, 2015, 07:30:15 pm
....Am I allowed to rage here?

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 22, 2015, 07:52:09 pm
Quote
all i’m saying is if an all-girls school crashed on the island in lord of the flies then they would’ve been off the island in a week
Quote
lord of the flies doesnt show the base human condition, it shows the base privileged straight white male condition, incredibly when i point this out people get kind of annoyed

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 22, 2015, 07:55:02 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 22, 2015, 07:30:15 pm
....Am I allowed to rage here?

(click to show/hide)

As horrible as African-Americans had it under slavery, and for a long time afterwards, they were never subjected to outright genocide.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 22, 2015, 07:56:15 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 22, 2015, 07:30:15 pm
....Am I allowed to rage here?

(click to show/hide)
Ah yes, I forgot that one person suffering can be used to cancel out a diffrent persons suffering.



I wish I could say this was a troll but it seems legit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 22, 2015, 07:58:50 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 22, 2015, 07:55:02 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 22, 2015, 07:30:15 pm
....Am I allowed to rage here?

(click to show/hide)

As horrible as African-Americans had it under slavery, and for a long time afterwards, they were never subjected to outright genocide.
Eh, I can see slavery being comparable to genocide,  but still, one persons tragedy doesn't invalidate another persons suffering.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on April 22, 2015, 08:08:30 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 22, 2015, 07:58:50 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 22, 2015, 07:55:02 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 22, 2015, 07:30:15 pm
....Am I allowed to rage here?

(click to show/hide)

As horrible as African-Americans had it under slavery, and for a long time afterwards, they were never subjected to outright genocide.
Eh, I can see slavery being comparable to genocide,  but still, one persons tragedy doesn't invalidate another persons suffering.
This. I wish people didn't feel the need to turn historical atrocities into a pissing contest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 22, 2015, 08:32:29 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 22, 2015, 07:52:09 pm
Quote
all i’m saying is if an all-girls school crashed on the island in lord of the flies then they would’ve been off the island in a week
Quote
lord of the flies doesnt show the base human condition, it shows the base privileged straight white male condition, incredibly when i point this out people get kind of annoyed



How is that worst of social justice?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 22, 2015, 08:49:25 pm
Quote from: ironbite on April 22, 2015, 08:32:29 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 22, 2015, 07:52:09 pm
Quote
all i’m saying is if an all-girls school crashed on the island in lord of the flies then they would’ve been off the island in a week
Quote
lord of the flies doesnt show the base human condition, it shows the base privileged straight white male condition, incredibly when i point this out people get kind of annoyed



How is that worst of social justice?
Dunno, probably doesn't belong now that I think about it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 22, 2015, 09:02:47 pm
Quote from: Randomwolf42 on April 22, 2015, 08:08:30 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 22, 2015, 07:58:50 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 22, 2015, 07:55:02 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 22, 2015, 07:30:15 pm
....Am I allowed to rage here?

(click to show/hide)

As horrible as African-Americans had it under slavery, and for a long time afterwards, they were never subjected to outright genocide.
Eh, I can see slavery being comparable to genocide,  but still, one persons tragedy doesn't invalidate another persons suffering.
This. I wish people didn't feel the need to turn historical atrocities into a pissing contest.
Yeah, although I'm use to it being neo-nazis turning things into a pissing contest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 22, 2015, 09:07:46 pm
Lord of the Flies doesn't show the base human shit, it's a deconstruction of the Robinsonade or "desert" island story. 

The imperialist comment is mildly spot-on, though. Golding wrote Lord as a response to a rather quaintly imperialist children's novel (considered a classic itself) called the Coral Island.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 22, 2015, 09:22:35 pm
So, a Kickstarter community manager has a history of tweeting racist stuff:

https://archive.today/pRJjT (https://archive.today/pRJjT)

https://archive.today/owleQ (https://archive.today/owleQ)

https://archive.today/LLCys (https://archive.today/LLCys)

https://archive.today/MvyuN (https://archive.today/MvyuN)

https://archive.today/lwP0o (https://archive.today/lwP0o)

https://archive.today/vXr7k (https://archive.today/vXr7k)

https://archive.today/XnntI (https://archive.today/XnntI)

https://archive.today/UXyUS (https://archive.today/UXyUS)

https://archive.today/8j9j4 (https://archive.today/8j9j4)

https://archive.today/XPyPD (https://archive.today/XPyPD)

If you can replace the word "white" with the word "black" and it sounds racist, then it's already racist.

"You know what's great?  None of us are black."

"Is it bad that I enjoy music videos more that have 0 black people in them?"

Etc.  Same goes for "men"/"women".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 22, 2015, 09:34:40 pm
STRING HIM UP BY HIS TOENAILS!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 22, 2015, 09:53:38 pm
...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBHdvp0UIAEupq7.jpg)

She likes Corgis, she can do no wrong!

STRING 'EM UP!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 22, 2015, 10:23:23 pm
(Nichole He tweet)>
Quote
if you only knew the amount of effort i’m putting in to trying to make my new femshep look not white...

Really? I think you must've missed at least two major submenus of characteristics. Or, you just have no patience or talent in adjusting and balancing the nearly infinite possible facial proportion controls, detailed eye, lip, nose, chin, and ear shape adjustments, skin tone possibilities, hair texture/length/style and color, make-up, etc. ad nauseum. Your tweet sounds like a - White Whine - oops!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 23, 2015, 12:00:30 am
Give me the toenails when you're done with the stringing up - I need them.

For...Old God related things...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 23, 2015, 01:56:45 am
Quote from: niam2023 on April 23, 2015, 12:00:30 am
Give me the toenails when you're done with the stringing up - I need them.

For...Old God related things...
Please tell me you aren't trying to summon Gamera to destroy gawker media.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 23, 2015, 02:07:28 am
Quote from: I am lizard on April 23, 2015, 01:56:45 am
Quote from: niam2023 on April 23, 2015, 12:00:30 am
Give me the toenails when you're done with the stringing up - I need them.

For...Old God related things...
Please tell me you aren't trying to summon Gamera to destroy gawker media.

I am trying to call upon the Daughter of the Cosmos to destroy Gawker. I think the toenails of a "perplexing individual" is one of the ingredients for a Greater Augur.

Dammit why are Mico's notes so hard to follow?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 23, 2015, 09:26:28 am
I'd summon the King of All Cosmos to destroy them, but he'd probably wipe out most of our stars in the process...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on April 23, 2015, 10:10:46 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 23, 2015, 09:26:28 am
I'd summon the King of All Cosmos to destroy them, but he'd probably wipe out most of our stars in the process...

That would be an acceptable level of collateral damage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 23, 2015, 09:19:15 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/72dnyc.jpg)

The vast majority of the people who died on the Titanic were poor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 23, 2015, 09:24:59 pm
So why is that here?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 23, 2015, 10:02:49 pm
Quote from: ironbite on April 23, 2015, 09:24:59 pm
So why is that here?

1.  Movies don't usually take three days to pitch, greenlight, cast, write, film, edit and release.

2.  The sinking of the Titanic was very historically significant.  The media blitz, the updates in maritime regulations, etc.

3.  Many believed the Titanic was unsinkable, making the disaster all the more shocking.  On the other hand, nobody expects these migrant boats to be safe; they are notorious for being overcrowded and needing rescue.

4.  There were non-whites aboard the Titanic.  And many of them died.  You'd be surprised to learn how many of the casualties were Middle Eastern or Chinese.

5. This is just the idiot's Amerocentrism talking.  People do care about the boats sinking; it's a major political issue around Europe, especially in Italy, and it is one of the issues that has arisen in the UK General Election.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on April 23, 2015, 10:39:59 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 23, 2015, 10:02:49 pm
Quote from: ironbite on April 23, 2015, 09:24:59 pm
So why is that here?

1.  Movies don't usually take three days to pitch, greenlight, cast, write, film, edit and release.

2.  The sinking of the Titanic was very historically significant.  The media blitz, the updates in maritime regulations, etc.

3.  Many believed the Titanic was unsinkable, making the disaster all the more shocking.  On the other hand, nobody expects these migrant boats to be safe; they are notorious for being overcrowded and needing rescue.

4.  There were non-whites aboard the Titanic.  And many of them died.  You'd be surprised to learn how many of the casualties were Middle Eastern or Chinese.

5. This is just the idiot's Amerocentrism talking.  People do care about the boats sinking; it's a major political issue around Europe, especially in Italy, and it is one of the issues that has arisen in the UK General Election.

I think he means why is it in this thread, as opposed to the "Things People Say on the Internet" thread, as it feels a little iffy on whether that counts as SJW crazy or just plain crazy. Either way, it does show the person doesn't know shit about the Titanic.

Back on topic, I somehow stumbled on to two articles about "anti-racism" events at two universities that banned whites and males. Granted I don't know if either of these sites are trustworthy or not since one is from the UK and the other from Canada, and I have little knowledge of news organizations of those countries (Well, outside the bigger well known ones). Discriminating against people due to preconceived notions based on their skin color. I think there's a word for that.

http://goldsmiths.tab.co.uk/2015/04/21/su-anti-racism-event-bans-white-people-attending/ (http://goldsmiths.tab.co.uk/2015/04/21/su-anti-racism-event-bans-white-people-attending/)

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/two-students-barred-from-meeting-at-ryerson-university-because-they-were-not-racialised (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/two-students-barred-from-meeting-at-ryerson-university-because-they-were-not-racialised)

We asked how these SJWs function in the real world, and I guess this is the answer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 23, 2015, 11:27:43 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on April 23, 2015, 01:56:45 am
Quote from: niam2023 on April 23, 2015, 12:00:30 am
Give me the toenails when you're done with the stringing up - I need them.

For...Old God related things...
Please tell me you aren't trying to summon Gamera to destroy gawker media.

Best method is the indirect one.

(http://gunshowcomic.com/comics/20081015.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 24, 2015, 12:22:29 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on April 23, 2015, 10:39:59 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 23, 2015, 10:02:49 pm
Quote from: ironbite on April 23, 2015, 09:24:59 pm
So why is that here?

1.  Movies don't usually take three days to pitch, greenlight, cast, write, film, edit and release.

2.  The sinking of the Titanic was very historically significant.  The media blitz, the updates in maritime regulations, etc.

3.  Many believed the Titanic was unsinkable, making the disaster all the more shocking.  On the other hand, nobody expects these migrant boats to be safe; they are notorious for being overcrowded and needing rescue.

4.  There were non-whites aboard the Titanic.  And many of them died.  You'd be surprised to learn how many of the casualties were Middle Eastern or Chinese.

5. This is just the idiot's Amerocentrism talking.  People do care about the boats sinking; it's a major political issue around Europe, especially in Italy, and it is one of the issues that has arisen in the UK General Election.

I think he means why is it in this thread, as opposed to the "Things People Say on the Internet" thread, as it feels a little iffy on whether that counts as skeleton crazy or just plain crazy. Either way, it does show the person doesn't know shit about the Titanic.

Back on topic, I somehow stumbled on to two articles about "anti-racism" events at two universities that banned whites and males. Granted I don't know if either of these sites are trustworthy or not since one is from the UK and the other from Canada, and I have little knowledge of news organizations of those countries (Well, outside the bigger well known ones). Discriminating against people due to preconceived notions based on their skin color. I think there's a word for that.

http://goldsmiths.tab.co.uk/2015/04/21/su-anti-racism-event-bans-white-people-attending/ (http://goldsmiths.tab.co.uk/2015/04/21/su-anti-racism-event-bans-white-people-attending/)

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/two-students-barred-from-meeting-at-ryerson-university-because-they-were-not-racialised (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/two-students-barred-from-meeting-at-ryerson-university-because-they-were-not-racialised)

We asked how these skeletons function in the real world, and I guess this is the answer.
I think I've heard about this case.

IIRC the kids were kicked out because the event was for victims of racism, and the kids weren't victims of racism. Oh, the kids were also reporters.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 24, 2015, 04:22:09 pm
https://archive.is/cmiYX (https://archive.is/cmiYX)

Quote
Quote
I don't get why it's bad for guys to dress like women it's silly to reinforce gender boundaries by saying that guys doing feminine things is bad.

1. “Dressing as women” is cissexist because you’re inferring that clothing holds and defines gender when it doesn’t

2. Cis men dressing as women for purposes of “entertaining” others or for the purpose of a cheap joke is transmisogynistic, it’s not an expression of who they are, they’re just doing it to serve a purpose

3. It reinforces stereotypes about trans women that makes us end up killed

Seriously, fuck off. Fuck off right into the goddamn son. I’m done with trash like you.

The only trash here is you, Softcisphobia.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on April 24, 2015, 04:30:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 24, 2015, 04:22:09 pm
Quote
Seriously, fuck off. Fuck off right into the goddamn son.
How deliciously ironic that, after such a nitpicky social justice screed, she explicitly gives the Sun a male gender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 24, 2015, 04:48:36 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/0RsDchN.jpg)

Psychosis is not a personality quirk.

(http://i.imgur.com/mMM9OtO.jpg)

"Males can't be raped"

(http://i.imgur.com/d9USMx2.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/7HLhPNF.jpg)

You know it's possible other people may have the same name. Please go outside and get some fresh air.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 24, 2015, 04:59:05 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on April 23, 2015, 10:39:59 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 23, 2015, 10:02:49 pm
Quote from: ironbite on April 23, 2015, 09:24:59 pm
So why is that here?

1.  Movies don't usually take three days to pitch, greenlight, cast, write, film, edit and release.

2.  The sinking of the Titanic was very historically significant.  The media blitz, the updates in maritime regulations, etc.

3.  Many believed the Titanic was unsinkable, making the disaster all the more shocking.  On the other hand, nobody expects these migrant boats to be safe; they are notorious for being overcrowded and needing rescue.

4.  There were non-whites aboard the Titanic.  And many of them died.  You'd be surprised to learn how many of the casualties were Middle Eastern or Chinese.

5. This is just the idiot's Amerocentrism talking.  People do care about the boats sinking; it's a major political issue around Europe, especially in Italy, and it is one of the issues that has arisen in the UK General Election.

I think he means why is it in this thread, as opposed to the "Things People Say on the Internet" thread, as it feels a little iffy on whether that counts as SJW crazy or just plain crazy. Either way, it does show the person doesn't know shit about the Titanic.

Actually shit like this happens all the time.  The sinking of a migrant ship.  It's just never been on this scale.  And again, I have to wonder why this is even here because that person has a point.  This is a serious issue.  Yes the Titanic caused an overhauling of maritime laws as we know it, this is still just as important.  So I ask again.

Ironbite-why is this here?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Jessibel on April 24, 2015, 11:17:02 pm
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 24, 2015, 04:48:36 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/0RsDchN.jpg)

#like if you proofread
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on April 25, 2015, 11:53:27 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 24, 2015, 04:48:36 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/0RsDchN.jpg)

Psychosis is not a personality quirk.

no but it is a personality disorder, and quite difficult to live with, even when medicated. i'm still trying to find my feet six months after being diagnosed. i'd label it closer to a curse you have to live with than to a "quirk". you get on with your life regardless. but whereas you can change a personality quirk, you can't change a disorder (at the time of writing, there is no known cure for psychosis, at best you can stabilize the condition).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 25, 2015, 01:24:40 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2eyanuf.jpg)

What's next, are they going to demand separate water fountains?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 25, 2015, 02:47:32 pm
Do you have an argument against voluntary safe spaces other than "it reminds me of segregation"?

Actually asking, I have my own thoughts on the subject but I want to hear what you (or anyone else) have to say.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 25, 2015, 04:10:01 pm
I don't mind the idea.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 25, 2015, 06:00:40 pm
Doesn't really concern me, so I don't particularly care.  If they can do it and want to, then go ahead.  So long as they don't infringe on anyone's rights while doing so, I couldn't care less.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on April 25, 2015, 09:59:55 pm
It's a poor coping mechanism.

That's all I'm going to say without being poked further.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on April 25, 2015, 11:09:37 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on April 25, 2015, 02:47:32 pm
Do you have an argument against voluntary safe spaces other than "it reminds me of segregation"?

Actually asking, I have my own thoughts on the subject but I want to hear what you (or anyone else) have to say.

Voluntary, no. However the blurb said students were turned away which sounds like maybe it wasn't as voluntary as we'd all like.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 25, 2015, 11:17:18 pm
As I recall, the "event" in question is actually a support group for people who've experienced racism, not some sort of anti-racism rally as this and many other articles are implying (gotta bring in those views somehow, eh guys?) Any other support group would be just as opposed to having a couple of would-be journalists sitting in on one of their sessions for reason I should hope are blindingly obvious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 25, 2015, 11:19:00 pm
Safe spaces from anti-black racists. Totally fine.
Safe spaces from white people simply because they are white is not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 25, 2015, 11:29:41 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on April 25, 2015, 09:59:55 pm
It's a poor coping mechanism.

That's all I'm going to say without being poked further.
Poor coping mechanism from what?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 26, 2015, 03:51:26 pm
Maybe we should discuss it in another thread.

Anyway:

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/14dowsn.jpg)

"Diabetes?  What's that?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on April 26, 2015, 04:11:03 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 26, 2015, 03:51:26 pm
Maybe we should discuss it in another thread.

Anyway:

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/14dowsn.jpg)

"Diabetes?  What's that?"

I actually think that's pretty funny, and I speak as a skinny bitch who drinks diet coke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 26, 2015, 11:55:31 pm
That's a real douchebag thing to do. I mean, that could make someone really sick.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 27, 2015, 03:02:12 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on April 26, 2015, 11:55:31 pm
That's a real douchebag thing to do. I mean, that could make someone really sick.
And it appears that the reason this "prank" is done is because OP is jealous. "How come those bitches are skinny? That is totally unfair, I am going to ruin their diet as a revenge."

Kinda like if someone asks for vegan meal and you put meat in it "as a prank." Or like that aunt who thought that "allergy" means "I don't like X" and put X in a kids food to prove a point. ...And then someone had to call an ambulance.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 27, 2015, 08:26:29 am
Quote from: askold on April 27, 2015, 03:02:12 am
Or like that aunt who thought that "allergy" means "I don't like X" and put X in a kids food to prove a point. ...And then someone had to call an ambulance.

Did someone stab that bint or at least put her behind bars where she belongs?  Because that's a fucking monstrous thing to do.  Could've fucking killed somebody with that bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 27, 2015, 09:58:56 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 27, 2015, 08:26:29 am
Quote from: askold on April 27, 2015, 03:02:12 am
Or like that aunt who thought that "allergy" means "I don't like X" and put X in a kids food to prove a point. ...And then someone had to call an ambulance.

Did someone stab that bint or at least put her behind bars where she belongs?  Because that's a fucking monstrous thing to do.  Could've fucking killed somebody with that bullshit.

I think I saw the story on one of the "not always right" sites. So there is a 50%-90% chance that it didn't really happen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 27, 2015, 10:13:31 am
I dunno, I could see it happening.  Old white women are some of the most idiotic and vindictive people on the planet, from my experience.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 28, 2015, 11:53:45 am
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-04-28/beach-body-ad-firm-receives-bomb-threat/ (http://www.itv.com/news/2015-04-28/beach-body-ad-firm-receives-bomb-threat/)

They're coming with in a hair's breadth of actual, literal terrorism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 28, 2015, 12:48:05 pm
Who's "they", UP? Random internet tough guy SJW? Troll? A mentally ill radflake? Hopefully you aren't meaning "they" as in the huge plural of all the people who are kvetching about Beach Body adverts as being a serious terrorist threat. It's a stupid, unimaginative, old-school "sex sells" type of ad, it's a stupid social media over-blown reaction to the stupid ad. Some sick piece of shit saw the hashtag and decided to one-up everybody else by sending in a bomb threat. SJW Napolean complex, perhaps. Who knows, maybe the company owner is loving every second of it all, especially the bomb threat, because this avalanche of intense publicity is worth 1000 times the cost of the original stupid ad campaign. No such thing as bad publicity when it comes to product recognition value, unless the product is being recalled for defects. I bet his sales are through the roof right now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on April 28, 2015, 03:06:52 pm
If you're looking for more point-and-laugh-type WoSJ, here's (http://otherkin-bullshit.tumblr.com/tagged/otherkin-bullshit) a blog dedicated to making fun of otherkin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 28, 2015, 04:01:20 pm
And here's Salon saying the Baltimore riots are okay:

https://archive.is/3xQti (https://archive.is/3xQti)

The kicker?  The horrible things they're implying about African-Americans.  Calling violence "black political strategy" feels incredibly racist to me - as if the only way a black person can ever spread a message is through violence.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 28, 2015, 07:57:30 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 28, 2015, 04:01:20 pm
And here's Salon saying the Baltimore riots are okay:

https://archive.is/3xQti (https://archive.is/3xQti)

The kicker?  The horrible things they're implying about African-Americans.  Calling violence "black political strategy" feels incredibly racist to me - as if the only way a black person can ever spread a message is through violence.
Can you give more criticism of the writers opinion besides "they're the real racist!"

Edit:seriously, could you give me some reasons why you dislike what the article said?
It was not saying that "black people can only spread a message though violence" it was saying nonviolence only works when people are paying attention.
And no, I don't fully agree with the article.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cloud3514 on April 28, 2015, 08:31:59 pm
Welp, time to go resurrect Malcolm X and tell him that violence isn't a legitimate strategy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 28, 2015, 08:37:32 pm
Quote from: Cloud3514 on April 28, 2015, 08:31:59 pm
Welp, time to go resurrect Malcolm X and tell him that violence isn't a legitimate strategy.

You mean the violence he abandoned?  I must remind you that after his Hajj, he started preaching "ballots before bullets".

And pray tell, what exactly did militant African-American groups actually accomplish?

Besides, this isn't political violence.  This is just mayhem and carnage.  The rioters destroyed a CVS and a nursing home.  Furthermore, the vast majority of the protesters are peaceful.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on April 28, 2015, 09:05:54 pm
To go even further, a lot of the protesters actually shouted down and otherwise stopped, or tried to stop,  the rioters.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 28, 2015, 09:09:41 pm
Quote from: rookie on April 28, 2015, 09:05:54 pm
To go even further, a lot of the protesters actually shouted down and otherwise stopped, or tried to stop,  the rioters.

That's right.

Furthermore, I did some research, and I found out that MLK was taken out of context:

http://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2014/11/in-ferguson-riots-social-media-corrupts-mlks-message/ (http://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2014/11/in-ferguson-riots-social-media-corrupts-mlks-message/)

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mlk-a-riot-is-the-language-of-the-unheard/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mlk-a-riot-is-the-language-of-the-unheard/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 28, 2015, 09:38:34 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 28, 2015, 09:09:41 pm
Quote from: rookie on April 28, 2015, 09:05:54 pm
To go even further, a lot of the protesters actually shouted down and otherwise stopped, or tried to stop,  the rioters.

That's right.

Furthermore, I did some research, and I found out that MLK was taken out of context:

http://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2014/11/in-ferguson-riots-social-media-corrupts-mlks-message/ (http://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2014/11/in-ferguson-riots-social-media-corrupts-mlks-message/)

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mlk-a-riot-is-the-language-of-the-unheard/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mlk-a-riot-is-the-language-of-the-unheard/)
I am fully aware of what the quotes meant. MLK was saying that people turn to riots because they feel that no one is listening to them.


The reason I used the quote for the duck was because I was sarcastically answering the ducks question.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cloud3514 on April 28, 2015, 09:43:16 pm
Whether or not Malcolm X abandoned violence as a strategy is irrelevant. Violence IS a strategy. One that has varying levels of effectiveness depending on the situation, like any strategy. Should it be the go-to strategy? I for one don't think so, but that doesn't matter because it's still a strategy.

So like so many of my points, it went right over your head.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 29, 2015, 12:23:04 am
(http://i.imgur.com/Ku5V6PI.jpg)

That ^ right there, I can understand and condone. That van is a legitimate target for rage. Many people besides Grey have died or been crippled from taking a "rough ride" in BPD paddy wagons over the decades. Burning and looting neighborhood businesses is off the chain bullshit. The old folks home arson was completely heinous. Poking holes in the fire hoses was a special kind of chicken shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on April 29, 2015, 01:57:55 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 28, 2015, 04:01:20 pm
And here's Salon saying the Baltimore riots are okay:

https://archive.is/3xQti (https://archive.is/3xQti)

The kicker?  The horrible things they're implying about African-Americans.  Calling violence "black political strategy" feels incredibly racist to me - as if the only way a black person can ever spread a message is through violence.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/4571605c303646d5d34a31501d238d64/tumblr_inline_nnjb50tQgH1raalc9_540.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 29, 2015, 10:28:20 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/50ffo.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 29, 2015, 10:37:58 am
Apparently, yes they do. As in, Absolutely. Go outside and get some fresh air, sunning yourself by your parent's pool, eat the rest of that organic heirloom tomato gazpacho you picked up at Whole Paycheck, and shut the fuck up. Toss your iPhone into the pool while you're at it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on April 29, 2015, 12:43:38 pm
What really scares me about the whole Baltimore riot is I remember in Gathering Blue there was a song about "The Before Times" that mentioned Baltimore. I need to stop reading dystopian future novels. They make me paranoid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 29, 2015, 01:24:40 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 29, 2015, 10:28:20 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/50ffo.jpg)
DEATH TO KKKARNI卐T卐!!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on April 29, 2015, 06:06:25 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 29, 2015, 10:28:20 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/50ffo.jpg)

I feel hungry for chicken and beef.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 29, 2015, 08:16:50 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/34y1ksj.jpg)

Well, should I ever get tired of Black History Month, it's good to know I can avoid it by annoying a squirrel.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on April 29, 2015, 08:24:18 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 28, 2015, 04:01:20 pm
And here's Salon saying the Baltimore riots are okay:

https://archive.is/3xQti (https://archive.is/3xQti)

The kicker?  The horrible things they're implying about African-Americans.  Calling violence "black political strategy" feels incredibly racist to me - as if the only way a black person can ever spread a message is through violence.

I think it's more the situation that we put a lot of inner city black people in: we don't give them the resources to articulate a proper complaint with the system. We don't give them the education they as a people need to get advanced degrees and work through the political system that we magically expect them to. Hell, inner city high schools are so bad, that many of them cannot even get a high school degree that so many of us take for granted. And then, we as a society treat the issue as "might makes right," and we send in police and national guardsmen to deal with unrest while failing to listen to their message of oppression, instead strawmanning them as violent and preaching to them that "Dr. King wouldn't do this."

And, of course, the real problem with all of this is the selectivity that the American people apply peaceful discourse to. When the police beat Fred Grey to death, when the police shot Michael Brown and Tamir Rice, when the police choked Eric Garner to death, when the Baltimore police slammed a pregnant woman or tackled a 90 year old woman... the cries for peace were practically nonexistent. Hell, more recently we saw Ferguson police commit a number of abuses on the citizens and nobody made the same cry for peace. Only now, after a group of people who have been harassed by the Baltimore police force rise up and riot, does society ask for peace.

And that is not to say that riots are productive or prudent, but this selective cry for peace is really just a call for the marginalized in society to accept and enjoy their lot in life. After all, when white people riot, nobody makes the same condemnation for their destruction (Anaheim Surfers, Pumpkin growers in New Hampshire, 1993 Chicago Bulls victory, 2013 Ravens victory in Baltimore, I could go on). And this selectivity is the cornerstone of modern day racism in this country: a preference for one group combined with a skepticism of others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 29, 2015, 10:00:21 pm
Perfectly erudite as always. Thanks, Queen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 29, 2015, 11:12:44 pm
Fair points, Your Highness.  However, I think you're overestimating Middle America's apathy.  Especially when it comes to the youth.  Already, we're seeing changes.  A new civil rights movement is underway even as I type this.

Furthermore, while racism is definitely holding African-Americans back, that alone doesn't explain why they seem to be having so much trouble.  Immigrants from Southeast Asia were arguably even more handicapped than African-Americans when they started coming to America, and yet they suffer less from social ills in most of the United States.  Or, if you want to turn back the clock even further, you can look at Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Chinese-Americans and the like.  I'm sure that, given enough time, the current wave of Latino immigrants will follow the same pattern.  Even now, I see Latino-Americans starting to make strides.

And it's not as if anti-black racism is somehow stronger or more harmful, or societal difficulties somehow hurt them more.  Look at black immigrants from Africa, South America, and the Caribbean.  While first- and second-generation black immigrants compose a tiny percentage of the American black population, they're overrepresented at top universities and in the annals of commerce.  Does this mean that African-Americans are inherently inferior?  Certainly not.  But in my opinion, this is something worth examining. 

To conclude, nothing is as simple as the pundits make it out to be.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 29, 2015, 11:40:18 pm
1. Changes like a cop who shot an unarmed, fleeing man on video has the vague possibility of going to jail. Or the LAPD got slightly better after the third biggest racial riot in U.S. History.

2. Yes, I can rember how Asians were enslaved for hundreds and years in America.

3. anti-black racism is totally more harmfull

And what the fuck are you trying to say? That its black peoples fault for being poor?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 29, 2015, 11:49:55 pm
You know, maybe this deserves its own thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on April 30, 2015, 02:41:36 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 29, 2015, 11:49:55 pm
You know, maybe this deserves its own thread.


Done.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 30, 2015, 10:00:05 am
Back to the subject at hand:

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/hwfygy.jpg)

Except that Everybody Loves Raymond is an ironic title.  Raymond's life is awful.  His father is a jerk, his mother is manipulative, his brother is always envious of him and blames him for his own problems, his wife constantly berates him for the smallest things, his brother's wife is a loudmouth, his in-laws are rich snobs, and his "friends" are a bunch of douchebags.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 30, 2015, 10:14:24 am
And Everybody Hates Chris is about Everybody hating Chris.

Ironbite-there's no irony in that title.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 30, 2015, 11:15:38 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/esivqd.jpg)

If you keep telling people they are monsters, there are really four potential results:

1) You're right, and they are monsters, in which case you've done nothing to change their minds (besides maybe draw their attention).

2) You're wrong, and they were sympathetic, but you've just insulted them and possibly turned them against you.

3) You're wrong, but they're so full of guilt for accidents of their birth that they believe you, in which case you've wasted a lot of effort to change nothing.

4) You're wrong, but you convince them they really are monsters, and they think they might as well start acting like it.

Two of those change nothing, and two lead to a situation being worse than it was before you started talking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 30, 2015, 11:37:30 am
Self-appointed hallway tone monitor of social justice movements. All of 'em, it seems.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 01, 2015, 11:51:42 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/122mc08.jpg)

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/878/169/bf1.png)

YOU ARE FUCKING SICK!  HOW DARE YOU TELL SOMEBODY THEY DESERVED TO GET RAPED!?  ROT IN HELL!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on May 01, 2015, 02:22:41 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 29, 2015, 08:16:50 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/34y1ksj.jpg)

Well, should I ever get tired of Black History Month, it's good to know I can avoid it by annoying a squirrel.

that's actually accidentally racist, as it can be interpreted as blacks are animals and not humans... just sayin'...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 01, 2015, 07:21:35 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/jac1gl.jpg)

This is a special kind of stupid, right here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on May 03, 2015, 02:58:24 pm
(click to show/hide)

how i imagine some tumblrinas offline.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 03, 2015, 05:55:26 pm
Quote from: guizonde on May 03, 2015, 02:58:24 pm
(click to show/hide)

how i imagine some tumblrinas offline.

The artist forgot the hipster glasses she insists on wearing even though she has 20/20 vision.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 08:31:58 pm
In other news, Joss Whedon's been driven off Twitter.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11443471 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11443471)

Who are the culprits?  Why, radflakes, of course!

http://imgur.com/a/RHZmS (http://imgur.com/a/RHZmS)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Meshakhad on May 04, 2015, 08:35:01 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 08:31:58 pm
In other news, Joss Whedon's been driven off Twitter.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11443471 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11443471)

Who are the culprits?  Why, radflakes, of course!

http://imgur.com/a/RHZmS (http://imgur.com/a/RHZmS)

To arms! Those who defame the Most Unholy Name of Joss must not live! Hail Joss! Hail Joss!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 08:41:06 pm
Quote from: Meshakhad on May 04, 2015, 08:35:01 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 08:31:58 pm
In other news, Joss Whedon's been driven off Twitter.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11443471 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11443471)

Who are the culprits?  Why, radflakes, of course!

http://imgur.com/a/RHZmS (http://imgur.com/a/RHZmS)

To arms! Those who defame the Most Unholy Name of Joss must not live! Hail Joss! Hail Joss!

Hail Hydra!

...Sorry, I had to.   ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 04, 2015, 08:48:38 pm
Anyone know what the joke they're mad about is?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 08:50:04 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on May 04, 2015, 08:48:38 pm
Anyone know what the joke they're mad about is?

I don't know, but I think it might be Tony's joke about jus primae noctis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 04, 2015, 08:50:10 pm
Prima Nocta.  Tony says it during the hammer lifting scene.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on May 04, 2015, 09:06:32 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 08:50:04 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on May 04, 2015, 08:48:38 pm
Anyone know what the joke they're mad about is?

I don't know, but I think it might be Tony's joke about jus primae noctis.

Droit du seigneur is a myth, period. It's just like the supposed feudal "right" to disembowel your own citizens to warm your feet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 09:08:54 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on May 04, 2015, 09:06:32 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 08:50:04 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on May 04, 2015, 08:48:38 pm
Anyone know what the joke they're mad about is?

I don't know, but I think it might be Tony's joke about jus primae noctis.

Droit du seigneur is a myth, period. It's just like the supposed feudal "right" to disembowel your own citizens to warm your feet.

When has reality ever got in the way of these morons getting outraged?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on May 04, 2015, 09:16:01 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 09:08:54 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on May 04, 2015, 09:06:32 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 08:50:04 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on May 04, 2015, 08:48:38 pm
Anyone know what the joke they're mad about is?

I don't know, but I think it might be Tony's joke about jus primae noctis.

Droit du seigneur is a myth, period. It's just like the supposed feudal "right" to disembowel your own citizens to warm your feet.

When has reality ever got in the way of these morons getting outraged?

>Reality.

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01469/07_05_2003---03_43_1469497a.jpg)

>Men who paint themselves blue and run onto the battlefield naked.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 04, 2015, 09:37:49 pm
Wait, is jus primae noctis that idiotic myth about a feudal lord getting to sleep with a married woman before her husband does? I didn't know that even had a name.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 09:47:57 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on May 04, 2015, 09:37:49 pm
Wait, is jus primae noctis that idiotic myth about a feudal lord getting to sleep with a married woman before her husband does? I didn't know that even had a name.

Yes, it is.

And the most probable explanation for that idiotic myth is that it started as rumormongering and propaganda.  See, it is mentioned in contemporary sources... but always in reference to other countries.  Like an Englishman claiming it was practiced in France.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on May 04, 2015, 09:50:10 pm
Yep, that's not it's only name I heard it as Droit du seigneur when I looked it up but the principle is the same. Honestly I wasn't offended by the joke since it's Tony Stark being well Tony Stark.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 10:04:04 pm
Quote from: Zygarde on May 04, 2015, 09:50:10 pm
Yep, that's not it's only name I heard it as Droit du seigneur when I looked it up but the principle is the same. Honestly I wasn't offended by the joke since it's Tony Stark being well Tony Stark.

And it's pretty obvious Tony would never actually rape anybody.  He's a pervert, but a harmless one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 04, 2015, 10:49:45 pm
The overal upset is based on feelings that Whedon's feminism is really weak sauce, a number of minor things he's done over the years, and probably some other stuff.I'm gonna be controversial here and say I kinda agree about him pushing overly weak sauce feminism. Granted the people sending him death threats are immature morons who feel that they need to one up everyone else.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 11:08:19 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 04, 2015, 10:49:45 pm
The overal upset is based on feelings that Whedon's feminism is really weak sauce, a number of minor things he's done over the years, and probably some other stuff.I'm gonna be controversial here and say I kinda agree about him pushing overly weak sauce feminism. Granted the people sending him death threats are immature morons who feel that they need to one up everyone else.

Care to elaborate about the "weak sauce feminism"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 04, 2015, 11:27:52 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 11:08:19 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 04, 2015, 10:49:45 pm
The overal upset is based on feelings that Whedon's feminism is really weak sauce, a number of minor things he's done over the years, and probably some other stuff.I'm gonna be controversial here and say I kinda agree about him pushing overly weak sauce feminism. Granted the people sending him death threats are immature morons who feel that they need to one up everyone else.

Care to elaborate about the "weak sauce feminism"?
I'll pm you later so we don't go off topic again.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 11:35:21 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 04, 2015, 11:27:52 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 04, 2015, 11:08:19 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 04, 2015, 10:49:45 pm
The overal upset is based on feelings that Whedon's feminism is really weak sauce, a number of minor things he's done over the years, and probably some other stuff.I'm gonna be controversial here and say I kinda agree about him pushing overly weak sauce feminism. Granted the people sending him death threats are immature morons who feel that they need to one up everyone else.

Care to elaborate about the "weak sauce feminism"?
I'll pm you later so we don't go off topic again.

Okay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 05, 2015, 03:53:26 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/21j4vwh.jpg)

Wonder if he lets Spy-kin sleep with his mother.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 05, 2015, 04:50:04 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 05, 2015, 03:53:26 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/21j4vwh.jpg)

Wonder if he lets Spy-kin sleep with his mother.
I am mini-sentrykin.
Fear me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 05, 2015, 04:55:11 pm
I would but I'm Direct Hit Soldier-kin and well....you go down faster then Scout's mother on Spy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on May 05, 2015, 05:54:04 pm
I am Mecha Engineer-kin.

You are all already dead.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 05, 2015, 10:22:11 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/SRgcsGf.png)

One snowflake to rule them all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on May 06, 2015, 08:38:06 am
''Dissasociative''?!? Don't the mean ''dissociative''? I've got that due to my psychosis, and it blows, but ''dissasociative'' ils a new one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 06, 2015, 08:45:34 am
You know, if a freaking archangel were to somehow get trapped in a mortal body, I'm sure they would indeed spend their time whining and begging for attention on the internet. Yep, an eons old immortal demigod would not only have absolutely nothing better to do, but also no doubt display the maturity of an especially spoiled and whiny 13 year old. I see nothing wrong with that story whatsoever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 06, 2015, 12:24:07 pm
Quote
this is the biggest non-issue I've ever seen...also everyone knows that white atheists are all demons anyway

Not all white atheists are demons.  Some are dogs:

(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140727203650/simpsons/images/4/4f/220px-Brian_Griffin.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on May 06, 2015, 12:59:12 pm
Hell hounds?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 06, 2015, 02:35:29 pm
https://archive.is/kuUb8 (https://archive.is/kuUb8)

Quote
Is having a loving family an unfair advantage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A6_9Jk2djY
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 06, 2015, 09:10:40 pm
Did you read the entire article first?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on May 07, 2015, 08:17:22 am
From Kickme444, a reddit admin:

Quote
We have a problem right now where there are people/communities that exist under the "freedom of expression" point, that do not create a safe space to encourage participation.
The order of these points is important and a safe space to have discourse is of the upmost importance to reddit. We are working on changes to make reddit a safer space for discourse.

Yeah.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 07, 2015, 09:28:19 am
Quote from: mellenORL on May 06, 2015, 09:10:40 pm
Did you read the entire article first?

Someone linked it to me yesterday, and I sort of gave up halfway through because gaaaaaaah. I read it through now, and it doesn't improve.

The basic problem is that it's treating "reducing inequality" as a terminal goal. Which I think is a mistake: the fact that some people have it better than others is a problem, but a problem that you should try to solve in the specific direction of improving the lives of those that are worse off. They suggest the opposite: family helps some people a lot, and that's unfair, so they propose... banning some of the things that help people, thus leaving everyone worse off. But at least we reduced unfairness!

And their criteria is bullshit. You are "allowed" to read a book to your kids, because that fosters "familial relationships goods", but not send your kids to private school, because that doesn't. Even though they both fail their unfairness test!

At that point the uncharitable reading is basically that they are attacking what they can get away with. "Let's ban reading books to your kids" sounds too much like a cheap YA novel dystopia, so instead let's target private schooling, which is the sort of thing those rich elitist assholes do. Do you like rich elitist assholes? Didn't think so.

And sure, there's shitloads of things to criticise about rich people, but that they want to give their kids a good education is not one of them.

(the steelman here is to argue that private schooling is a positional good, which only gives advantages to some people to the extent it harms others, but they don't bother to make that argument and I don't think it's true, so I can't give them points for it)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 07, 2015, 12:22:55 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on May 07, 2015, 08:17:22 am
From Kickme444, a reddit admin:

Quote
We have a problem right now where there are people/communities that exist under the "freedom of expression" point, that do not create a safe space to encourage participation.
The order of these points is important and a safe space to have discourse is of the upmost importance to reddit. We are working on changes to make reddit a safer space for discourse.

Yeah.


How is this a WSJ?  This is something that has plagued the internet for a long time now,

Ironbite-unless you're equating "safe space" with "NO DISCUSSION!" in which case you might want to reexamine yourself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 07, 2015, 06:30:45 pm
Does every place on a website need to be a "safe space"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 07, 2015, 07:42:28 pm
I gotta admit, I never thought I'd see reddit of all places described as a "safe space". What's next, making 4chan a "safe space for discourse"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 07, 2015, 08:30:16 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on May 07, 2015, 07:42:28 pm
I gotta admit, I never thought I'd see reddit of all places described as a "safe space". What's next, making 4chan a "safe space for discourse"?

It's on its way there already.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 07, 2015, 08:58:54 pm
How utterly bothersome.

Half the fun of hanging around Tumblr is messing with the snowflakes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 08, 2015, 12:44:43 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 07, 2015, 08:30:16 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on May 07, 2015, 07:42:28 pm
I gotta admit, I never thought I'd see reddit of all places described as a "safe space". What's next, making 4chan a "safe space for discourse"?
It's on its way there already.
And this is a bad thing... how? Like what, do you like it better when places like 4chan are full of doxxing and leaked nudes, or when reddit has subbreddits like /r/deadniggers?

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on May 08, 2015, 12:53:50 am
What the hell are you people taking about?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on May 08, 2015, 12:55:13 am
Quote from: niam2023 on May 07, 2015, 08:58:54 pm
How utterly bothersome.

Half the fun of hanging around Tumblr is messing with the snowflakes.

I don't think I will ever truly understand why some people enjoy trolling. I mean, literally getting joy from making other people angry or sad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 08, 2015, 12:56:14 am
Quote from: I am lizard on May 08, 2015, 12:44:43 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 07, 2015, 08:30:16 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on May 07, 2015, 07:42:28 pm
I gotta admit, I never thought I'd see reddit of all places described as a "safe space". What's next, making 4chan a "safe space for discourse"?
It's on its way there already.
And this is a bad thing... how? Like what, do you like it better when places like 4chan are full of doxxing and leaked nudes, or when reddit has subbreddits like /r/deadniggers?

Do I like it?  Of course not.  But I believe that free speech is a necessity, as long as it doesn't actively cause harm.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 08, 2015, 01:29:32 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 08, 2015, 12:56:14 am
Quote from: I am lizard on May 08, 2015, 12:44:43 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 07, 2015, 08:30:16 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on May 07, 2015, 07:42:28 pm
I gotta admit, I never thought I'd see reddit of all places described as a "safe space". What's next, making 4chan a "safe space for discourse"?
It's on its way there already.
And this is a bad thing... how? Like what, do you like it better when places like 4chan are full of doxxing and leaked nudes, or when reddit has subbreddits like /r/deadniggers?

Do I like it?  Of course not.  But I believe that free speech is a necessity, as long as it doesn't actively cause harm.
Reddit already censors free speach, almost every sub has guidelines, it's why I can't just post a fanfic about spongebob getting raped by bugs bunny on /r/chihuahua. Free speach is only legally guaranteed by the goverment. If a website needs to purge itself of assholery then they should do so, otherwise the site just attracts more horrible poeple and eventually the whole site is a shithole.

Also, I'm pretty sure doxxing or leaking nudes can harm people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 08, 2015, 02:37:00 am
Quote from: askold on May 08, 2015, 12:55:13 am
Quote from: niam2023 on May 07, 2015, 08:58:54 pm
How utterly bothersome.

Half the fun of hanging around Tumblr is messing with the snowflakes.

I don't think I will ever truly understand why some people enjoy trolling. I mean, literally getting joy from making other people angry or sad.

I guess its more or less just because I can. I can't really think up a better reason.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on May 08, 2015, 06:23:09 am
Quote from: niam2023 on May 08, 2015, 02:37:00 am
Quote from: askold on May 08, 2015, 12:55:13 am
Quote from: niam2023 on May 07, 2015, 08:58:54 pm
How utterly bothersome.

Half the fun of hanging around Tumblr is messing with the snowflakes.

I don't think I will ever truly understand why some people enjoy trolling. I mean, literally getting joy from making other people angry or sad.

I guess its more or less just because I can. I can't really think up a better reason.

The problem lies in that mentality, Niam, unfortunately.  "Because I can" eventually morphs into "I shouldn't have to face consequences from my actions because I'm free to do as I please like everyone else" and then you wind up with shitfucks like /r/theredpill, among others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 08, 2015, 07:51:12 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/13z3cco.jpg)

Today I learned "poor" is a skin color.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on May 08, 2015, 12:06:48 pm
Quote from: askold on May 08, 2015, 12:55:13 am
I don't think I will ever truly understand why some people enjoy trolling. I mean, literally getting joy from making other people angry or sad.

Sometimes it's for the reactions. Sometimes it's funny to watch a regular poster over there at RR blow a gasket. Other times is because you get the feeling that certain people just need it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 08, 2015, 07:53:19 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 08, 2015, 12:44:43 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 07, 2015, 08:30:16 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on May 07, 2015, 07:42:28 pm
I gotta admit, I never thought I'd see reddit of all places described as a "safe space". What's next, making 4chan a "safe space for discourse"?
It's on its way there already.
And this is a bad thing... how? Like what, do you like it better when places like 4chan are full of doxxing and leaked nudes, or when reddit has subbreddits like /r/deadniggers?

I never gave an opinion on it. I just voiced my opinion that it was amusing. It's like waking up one day to hear that Fox News got a new CEO who's going to make the news organization more liberal-minded.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 08, 2015, 08:37:35 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on May 08, 2015, 07:53:19 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 08, 2015, 12:44:43 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 07, 2015, 08:30:16 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on May 07, 2015, 07:42:28 pm
I gotta admit, I never thought I'd see reddit of all places described as a "safe space". What's next, making 4chan a "safe space for discourse"?
It's on its way there already.
And this is a bad thing... how? Like what, do you like it better when places like 4chan are full of doxxing and leaked nudes, or when reddit has subbreddits like /r/deadniggers?

I never gave an opinion on it. I just voiced my opinion that it was amusing. It's like waking up one day to hear that Fox News got a new CEO who's going to make the news organization more liberal-minded.
Oh
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 08, 2015, 09:35:36 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on May 08, 2015, 07:53:19 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on May 08, 2015, 12:44:43 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 07, 2015, 08:30:16 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on May 07, 2015, 07:42:28 pm
I gotta admit, I never thought I'd see reddit of all places described as a "safe space". What's next, making 4chan a "safe space for discourse"?
It's on its way there already.
And this is a bad thing... how? Like what, do you like it better when places like 4chan are full of doxxing and leaked nudes, or when reddit has subbreddits like /r/deadniggers?

I never gave an opinion on it. I just voiced my opinion that it was amusing. It's like waking up one day to hear that Fox News got a new CEO who's going to make the news organization more liberal-minded.

I would actually believe there's a god if that happened.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on May 08, 2015, 09:49:14 pm
Quote
Or have we just accidentally tinkled on more evidence of a patriarchal culture?

While studying abroad in Kenya, I routinely took long bus trips during which the side of the road was used as rest stops. I routinely witnessed both men and women pee on the side of the road.

Yes, the women wore dresses and sarongs that concealed their lower regions, and, no, I am not arguing that Kenya represents the pinnacle of gender equality.

Nevertheless, women squatting to pee in public can be a cultural norm. Just not for American women.

Thus, here in the US, not only do men have the physiological luxury of holding it longer, they also have the patriarchal privilege of releasing it sooner.

Today I learned not peeing in public is part of the racist Patriarchy.

Or it could be because a toilet allows for easy disposal of fecal matter and urine.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 08, 2015, 10:00:17 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on May 08, 2015, 09:49:14 pm
Quote
Or have we just accidentally tinkled on more evidence of a patriarchal culture?

While studying abroad in Kenya, I routinely took long bus trips during which the side of the road was used as rest stops. I routinely witnessed both men and women pee on the side of the road.

Yes, the women wore dresses and sarongs that concealed their lower regions, and, no, I am not arguing that Kenya represents the pinnacle of gender equality.

Nevertheless, women squatting to pee in public can be a cultural norm. Just not for American women.

Thus, here in the US, not only do men have the physiological luxury of holding it longer, they also have the patriarchal privilege of releasing it sooner.

Today I learned not peeing in public is part of the racist Patriarchy.

Or it could be because a toilet allows for easy disposal of fecal matter and urine.

Peeing and privilege, huh?  I don't think I'm the only one reminded of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmHekGAO080
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 08, 2015, 10:59:14 pm
I have a feeling that Reddit, like 4chan, won't take any attempt to police the site very well. At most it will cause people to move to another site, like what happened with 4chan.

What exactly do they mean when the say "safe space"? Because due to people like those discussed in this thread, "safe space" has become associated with echo-chambers and hugboxes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 08, 2015, 11:49:13 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on May 08, 2015, 10:59:14 pm
I have a feeling that Reddit, like 4chan, won't take any attempt to police the site very well. At most it will cause people to move to another site, like what happened with 4chan.

What exactly do they mean when the say "safe space"? Because due to people like those discussed in this thread, "safe space" has become associated with echo-chambers and hugboxes.

Admittedly, that was what I immediately thought of when I heard "safe space".

Tumblrina: I am sorry but your point of view is not wanted here. You contradicted the Hugbox. NOBODY CONTRADICTS THE HUGBOX.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 09, 2015, 02:00:03 am
That's what I think of when I hear the word 'safe space' too, I'll admit. A place where dissent is prohibited, and you can be surrounded only by people who wholly support whatever opinion you may have, whether it be right or wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on May 09, 2015, 02:56:39 am
Or it could just be a place where trolls aren't allowed to spam rape jokes and insult people based on their race or sexuality and so on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 09, 2015, 03:54:32 am
I was thinking more "Bullying or rape promoting subbreddits are shut down"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 09, 2015, 01:58:42 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/27yr01t.jpg)

When "tucute" crosses the line from laughable to loathsome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 09, 2015, 03:48:50 pm
Quote from: askold on May 09, 2015, 02:56:39 am
Or it could just be a place where trolls aren't allowed to spam rape jokes and insult people based on their race or sexuality and so on.

I'm not saying that's necessarily what a safe space must be or must not be. I'm simply giving my opinion as to the implications the word "safe space" gives me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 09, 2015, 09:50:52 pm
Here's this bullshit:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/28999455/students-protest-after-history-teacher-punished-for-showing-homosexual-psa (http://www.kctv5.com/story/28999455/students-protest-after-history-teacher-punished-for-showing-homosexual-psa)

The guy speaks out against homophobia, apparently triggers some students because he mentioned homophobia, and gets fired for it.

You can't make this shit up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on May 09, 2015, 09:53:54 pm
I think the best part is the bit where his current students didn't take part in the organized protest because they were afraid of possible reprisals.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on May 09, 2015, 09:58:22 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on May 09, 2015, 02:00:03 am
That's what I think of when I hear the word 'safe space' too, I'll admit. A place where dissent is prohibited, and you can be surrounded only by people who wholly support whatever opinion you may have, whether it be right or wrong.

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e7/e705cc63fc112a77ac0492692772853a9c0ca831ff90115706d57625218c5320.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on May 10, 2015, 07:31:24 pm
I was going to post this in the Worst Political Cartoons thread but I think it makes more sense here.

Quote from: I am lizard on May 10, 2015, 12:08:31 am
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/ce396a5c186e37cafe33bd266e393523/tumblr_nnma5pdEq61rr5t33o1_1280.gif)

I'm not really sure we can call this one a "worst" when you have tumblrinas saying shit like this:

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/7e14c9f345bc584de9d25649d2efb51d/tumblr_nn2g9bRf0c1u00qgto1_540.png)

And it was pointed out on WTFSocialJustice that coercively gendering someone comes from doctors performing surgery on intersex people to make them either male or female. So...appropriation?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on May 10, 2015, 11:05:10 pm
Until they tell me otherwise, I'm going with gender assigned at birth. When Timmy tells me he's Tammy, I'm fine with that. But until then he's Timmy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 11, 2015, 12:54:06 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/30ca81k.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on May 11, 2015, 12:59:14 am
There is so much wrong with that image that I could probably write an entire midterm paper for my World History class and still have shit left over to write six more.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 11, 2015, 02:30:59 am
Among those is that when you tie a dead animal like a wild boar up like that for butchering, you usually tie both legs.

This also highlights that that is clearly a silhouette of a walking pig that they half-ass photoshopped. Seriously, tilt your head to the right 90 degrees.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on May 11, 2015, 03:37:36 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 11, 2015, 12:54:06 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/30ca81k.jpg)

I just bought a leg of cured ham (6,5kg of méat and bone). does that make me the new grand wizard of the kkk?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 11, 2015, 08:52:57 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 11, 2015, 09:24:18 pm
we are so terribly sorry, but you have suddenly become Grand Wizard of the Klan. Now, it is time to put on the ceremonial blue bed sheets and fancypants hat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 11, 2015, 11:53:59 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/QcybtMg.png)

Straight guy takes gay friend to prom so he wouldn't be alone, Tumblrina wants to beat the shit out of him.



Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 12, 2015, 04:39:29 am
Doesn't see the irony in that at all
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on May 12, 2015, 05:54:49 am
Quote from: thejebusfire on May 11, 2015, 11:53:59 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/QcybtMg.png)

Straight guy takes gay friend to prom so he wouldn't be alone, Tumblrina wants to beat the shit out of him.
I think they're mad because 1) those guys got more attention than they do and 2) Ellen gave them $10,000 (in scholarships I believe) because the story went viral. I've seen a lot of people critizing Ellen for giving away 10k to nearly any clown who ends up in her show (she gave 10k to the #TheDress family for christsake), but it's her money, she earned it, and she can do what she wants with it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on May 12, 2015, 07:40:37 am
Quote from: niam2023 on May 11, 2015, 09:24:18 pm
we are so terribly sorry, but you have suddenly become Grand Wizard of the Klan. Now, it is time to put on the ceremonial blue bed sheets and fancypants hat.

oh well, shit happens. who wants a slice? it's pata negra :p
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 12, 2015, 08:13:34 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/7257nq.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on May 12, 2015, 08:17:18 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 12, 2015, 08:13:34 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/7257nq.jpg)

yeah, no. it is prostitution, un a way, but it's consented, afaik. rape ils not. ah, as if that message will get through their thick skull...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 12, 2015, 08:35:43 pm
Quote from: guizonde on May 12, 2015, 08:17:18 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 12, 2015, 08:13:34 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/7257nq.jpg)

yeah, no. it is prostitution, un a way, but it's consented, afaik. rape ils not. ah, as if that message will get through their thick skull...

Nobody would be dumb enough to film a rape and then sell the footage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on May 12, 2015, 09:27:51 pm
You sure about that, UP?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on May 12, 2015, 09:51:03 pm
Porn is seedy, and I have no doubt the seedier parts have at least some genuine rape.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on May 12, 2015, 11:02:18 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 12, 2015, 08:35:43 pm
Nobody would be dumb enough to film a rape and then sell the footage.

Never say the words "Nobody would be dumb enough to." There is no end to the depths of human stupidity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 12, 2015, 11:05:44 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on May 12, 2015, 11:02:18 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 12, 2015, 08:35:43 pm
Nobody would be dumb enough to film a rape and then sell the footage.

Never say the words "Nobody would be dumb enough to." There is no end to the depths of human stupidity.

I guess you have a point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on May 13, 2015, 08:04:15 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 12, 2015, 08:35:43 pm
Quote from: guizonde on May 12, 2015, 08:17:18 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 12, 2015, 08:13:34 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/7257nq.jpg)

yeah, no. it is prostitution, un a way, but it's consented, afaik. rape ils not. ah, as if that message will get through their thick skull...

Nobody would be dumb enough to film a rape and then sell the footage.

you're new à round hère, aren't you? there are things on the web that blasted my fragile sanity to smithereens, ans that was before i set foot in the deep web. never say never on the internet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 13, 2015, 01:41:32 pm

(https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/tumblr_ngl7ttlxdo1tuindlo3_1280-png.26401/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on May 13, 2015, 06:10:20 pm
MadCat? You realize that Ask Fury Belle takes the piss out of that sort of rhetoric, right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 14, 2015, 12:06:34 am
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on May 13, 2015, 06:10:20 pm
MadCat? You realize that Ask Fury Belle takes the piss out of that sort of rhetoric, right?

I didn't know where the picture was from, but I had a feeling it was a joke. However I happened to have it and felt it was relevant to the "porn is rape" post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 15, 2015, 04:45:41 pm
I think the Tumblrinas have this complex in place that makes them feel that they're the ones that get to decide what is consented behaviour and what is not. They get to decide whether or not the Japanese are offended by a comic set in Japan, and they get to decide if something is rape or not.

People actually affiliated with this kind of thing? They just need the Tumblrina's Guidance, they're not smart enough to know what's good for them.

I think this is how this kind of person thinks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 15, 2015, 09:57:56 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on May 15, 2015, 04:45:41 pm
I think the Tumblrinas have this complex in place that makes them feel that they're the ones that get to decide what is consented behaviour and what is not. They get to decide whether or not the Japanese are offended by a comic set in Japan, and they get to decide if something is rape or not.

People actually affiliated with this kind of thing? They just need the Tumblrina's Guidance, they're not smart enough to know what's good for them.

I think this is how this kind of person thinks.

You know what that kind of thinking reminds me of?  19th Century imperialists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 16, 2015, 02:55:28 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/21bipf9.jpg)

"Really, we shouldn't judge anything about them before we ask them for their preferred pronouns and gender.  Hey, piece of cardboard, can you tell me about your kin types?"

Jesus fuck-kin Christ.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on May 16, 2015, 03:22:07 pm
UP, that one is a joke. Or so I choose to believe it.

You gotta admit though, if nothing else at least it would make the game a bit more difficult by removing what is usually the first question for everyone. (But you still have so many things you can ask about the person's appearance that it won't actually make the game impossible.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on May 16, 2015, 03:42:46 pm
I have to wonder what SJWs would think of Boy Crazy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Crazy_%28game%29).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 16, 2015, 04:27:56 pm
BLAZE IT!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 16, 2015, 05:15:32 pm
It's a blatant joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 16, 2015, 05:32:55 pm
Here's an example of how safe spaces can go horribly, horribly wrong:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-hiding-from-scary-ideas.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on May 17, 2015, 09:28:00 pm
That awkward moment...

(http://36.media.tumblr.com/3e64398603bf39fb13a07016f05d67cb/tumblr_nocqp6SA2H1u00qgto1_1280.png)

...when you go from "Social Justice" to "Bat-shit Insane."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 18, 2015, 01:46:24 pm
"Sleep sex" happens. Probably without the sleep "walking" participants remembering in their dream state to use a condom while they're fucking asleep (pun intended).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on May 18, 2015, 02:03:07 pm
Isn't choosing to not have sex with someone because they have HIV the exact opposite of having irrational or harmful sexual preferences?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on May 18, 2015, 06:58:55 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on May 18, 2015, 02:03:07 pm
Isn't choosing to not have sex with someone because they have HIV the exact opposite of having irrational or harmful sexual preferences?
It depends on your definition of irrational. As long as you use protection there is statistically almost nothing to fear. If the HIV positive partner is taking the appropriate modern medication the change of infection is around 1 in 14 000 even if no condom is used in heterosexual vaginal intercourse if I recall correctly. (I checked this statistic back when my friend told me that he had found HIV medication in his then GF's bathroom.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 18, 2015, 11:12:27 pm
Nobody is obligated to have sex with anyone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on May 18, 2015, 11:37:59 pm
Quote from: Damen on May 17, 2015, 09:28:00 pm
That awkward moment...

(click to show/hide)

...when you go from "Social Justice" to "Bat-shit Insane."

The person who made the serophobia post in that thread claims to be an HIV+ man who says that his ex would have monthly panic attacks about having sex with him because she was always afraid of contracting the disease. (http://coronaryay.tumblr.com/post/118620037001/she-still-had-monthly-panic-attacks-holy-shit)

They've also made this post:

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(click to show/hide)

He's also been called a troll blog and hatefollow blog (a blog that's followed solely to hate), so I don't know how much of his shit is genuine.  And he seems to argue with this one particular person (all those replies to him are the same person), so I don't know if it's a case of mutual "hatefollowing" (god that term looks so stupid typed out).  I wouldn't be surprised, judging by the other person's tone.

They both come off as really unpleasant people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on May 19, 2015, 04:03:32 am
Quote from: SCarpelan on May 18, 2015, 06:58:55 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on May 18, 2015, 02:03:07 pm
Isn't choosing to not have sex with someone because they have HIV the exact opposite of having irrational or harmful sexual preferences?
It depends on your definition of irrational. As long as you use protection there is statistically almost nothing to fear. If the HIV positive partner is taking the appropriate modern medication the change of infection is around 1 in 14 000 even if no condom is used in heterosexual vaginal intercourse if I recall correctly. (I checked this statistic back when my friend told me that he had found HIV medication in his then GF's bathroom.)

That's actually a lot better odds than I would have guessed, but I hit puberty around the time the initial AIDS epidemic blew up and have been 'out of circulation' for for about 25 years now so my perspective is rather dated.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on May 19, 2015, 03:31:15 pm
http://web.archive.org/web/20150519150736/http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-helpful-answers-to-societys-most-uncomfortable-questions/
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"Why Do People Shit On Me Just Because I'm (White/Male/Straight/Etc.)?" I'm going to tell you the weirdest and, yet, most obviously true thing you've ever heard: You're not a person.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 19, 2015, 03:48:21 pm
Quote from: WatermelonRat on May 19, 2015, 03:31:15 pm
http://web.archive.org/web/20150519150736/http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-helpful-answers-to-societys-most-uncomfortable-questions/
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"Why Do People Shit On Me Just Because I'm (White/Male/Straight/Etc.)?" I'm going to tell you the weirdest and, yet, most obviously true thing you've ever heard: You're not a person.

I had heard Cracked went to shit, but fucking hell, I didn't know it was that bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on May 19, 2015, 03:53:49 pm
Just read that article, I think context is important here. It's not NEARLY as bad as it sounds if you stopped reading at that line.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: WatermelonRat on May 19, 2015, 08:19:12 pm
Quote from: Randomwolf42 on May 19, 2015, 03:53:49 pm
Just read that article, I think context is important here. It's not NEARLY as bad as it sounds if you stopped reading at that line.
No, it's much worse. If he were straight up calling whites subhuman, I wouldn't be nearly as appalled by it. The philosophy espoused in this article effectively reduces people to little more than their identity. It treats individualism and self-determination as illusions, so that all you are is an extension of your assigned collective identity. Thus, it's perfectly fair and natural for you to bear blood guilt for your identity's sins.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on May 20, 2015, 05:11:32 am
Re: HIV

This just came to my attention and since by coincidence the issue just was discussed here I thought it might interest people. Calling the ignorance about the current situation with HIV serophobia might be a bit silly but it's true that the modern medicine makes it possible to live a pretty much normal life with the virus. The situation in the third world is a completely different issue, naturally.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/javiermoreno/an-hiv-positive-man-took-a-photo-with-his-hiv-negative-wife#.xwzAVZOrb

(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-05/15/14/enhanced/webdr06/enhanced-29390-1431713275-1.jpg)

Quote
The 33-year-old has been HIV positive since birth after the disease was passed on from his parents, who died from AIDS complications when he was still a child, the local NBC affiliate reported.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on May 20, 2015, 05:13:15 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on May 20, 2015, 05:11:32 am
Re: HIV

This just came to my attention and since by coincidence the issue just was discussed here I thought it might interest people. Calling the ignorance about the current situation with HIV serophobia might be a bit silly but it's true that the modern medicine makes it possible to live a pretty much normal life with the virus. The situation in the third world is a completely different issue, naturally.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/javiermoreno/an-hiv-positive-man-took-a-photo-with-his-hiv-negative-wife#.xwzAVZOrb

(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-05/15/14/enhanced/webdr06/enhanced-29390-1431713275-1.jpg)

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The 33-year-old has been HIV positive since birth after the disease was passed on from his parents, who died from AIDS complications when he was still a child, the local NBC affiliate reported.

Noticing that all three kids are red-headed like Mom.....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 20, 2015, 05:33:27 pm
Yeah the red headed gene does tend to dominate things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 20, 2015, 07:04:08 pm
It is like a particularly horrible, family-deforming curse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 20, 2015, 07:12:09 pm
See this is the reason we can't be friends niam.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 20, 2015, 07:25:18 pm
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/fbe66a8fbc1ff515d00812806fc68a0c/tumblr_nogqjlwxYH1u00qgto1_540.png)

And they call me self-centered.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/f231f389a53343c5621c580177ef8283/tumblr_nokzqb7agP1u00qgto1_540.png)

And of course what post would be complete without some otherkin fantasizing about somehow getting together.

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/f1a3167635da077277876afe44fa33d0/tumblr_nokziiTsPx1u00qgto1_540.jpg)

And to finish things off, a page from a really bad webcomic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 20, 2015, 07:37:27 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on May 20, 2015, 07:25:18 pm
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/fbe66a8fbc1ff515d00812806fc68a0c/tumblr_nogqjlwxYH1u00qgto1_540.png)

And they call me self-centered.
It doesn't really seem that bad if you ignore the "ace people suffered more!" domtext.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on May 21, 2015, 02:04:22 am
How does one manage to have children and not transmit HIV? In general, the way to prevent transmission is to avoid unprotected sex, but to have children you typically need to be having unprotected sex.

Am I missing something here?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on May 21, 2015, 03:25:48 am
Quote from: Random Guy on May 21, 2015, 02:04:22 am
How does one manage to have children and not transmit HIV? In general, the way to prevent transmission is to avoid unprotected sex, but to have children you typically need to be having unprotected sex.

Am I missing something here?
Medication. Modern HIV & AIDS medication reduces chance of spreading the disease, and the odds are quite low originally as well. ...Not that taking the chance would be smart without them.

Even giving birth with HIV is possible without infecting the baby.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on May 21, 2015, 03:54:23 am
Quote from: Random Guy on May 21, 2015, 02:04:22 am
How does one manage to have children and not transmit HIV? In general, the way to prevent transmission is to avoid unprotected sex, but to have children you typically need to be having unprotected sex.

Am I missing something here?
Either in-vitro fecundation (though I'm not 100% sure if that'd work that well), or else the fact that he is treated makes for very low transmission rate, even when having unprotected sex, enough that it seems to be reasonable to try and have kids that way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on May 21, 2015, 06:01:43 am
Quote from: LeTipex on May 21, 2015, 03:54:23 am
Quote from: Random Guy on May 21, 2015, 02:04:22 am
How does one manage to have children and not transmit HIV? In general, the way to prevent transmission is to avoid unprotected sex, but to have children you typically need to be having unprotected sex.

Am I missing something here?
Either in-vitro fecundation (though I'm not 100% sure if that'd work that well), or else the fact that he is treated makes for very low transmission rate, even when having unprotected sex, enough that it seems to be reasonable to try and have kids that way.

Yay for the third world actually knowing about this stuff.
It is entirely possible for HIV infected mothers to give birth to uninfected babies. The placental barrier that keeps the mothers immune system from killing the parasite that is the baby is also the same thing that prevents the baby from becoming infected while during development. If the mother is on anti-retroviral medication the chance of transmission becomes incredibly small. The primary danger period is in the last few weeks before birth and during birth where the baby can become infected.

There has been a massive call for state hospitals to provide anti-retroviral medicine for pregnant mothers to reduce mother to child transmission all over the third world. It is a big topic although it does not deal with all the issues like how the treatment is only for pregnant mothers during pregnancy which results in a large number of orphans, as well as the fact that the baby can become infected from drinking their mothers breast milk. This is also why in the third world breast milk donations are first in such short supply and secondly desperately needed.

The actual transmission rate for HIV is statistically low compared to other sexually transmitted diseases. The type of sexual act influences the chance of transmission with the recipient of penis in anus and penis in vagina being the highest. Both of these rates are lower than 50% per encounter, but I believe penis in anus is about 30% so still kind of high. Being male dramatically reduces your chance of contracting HIV with Penis in vagina probably only being as high as about 10% at most.

However, like all statistics, relying on them is like playing Russian roulette. Play enough and you will loose, and some poor souls loose on the first try. Which is why protection is important. Lastly, for those who are HIV infected, having unprotected sex with other HIV infected people is dangerous. Common sense would have you think that once you are infected there is nothing more that the virus can do to you, but you can get infected again with another mutation of the virus, making treatment less effective and increasing the rate at which the virus kills you.

Lastly. Anti-retroviral medicines basically kill off all the virus actively in your bloodstream. It is pretty close to a cure in many ways, unfortunately the virus infects the bone marrow where new cells are produced and where the anti-retroiral medicine cannot touch it. This results in viral resevours that can "re-infect" the person at any time. This is also why that one guy in Europe who had a rare form of leukemia was able to receive a bone marrow transplant that cured him of HIV. It can be done, but it currently requires rare circumstances and a huge amount of effort and cost.

I hope that was informative.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on May 21, 2015, 08:15:06 am
I believe another article stated that all the children were the result of IVF, so they likely avoid unprotected sex as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on May 21, 2015, 11:26:29 am
...I remember a certain radio personality that complained about the cheap healthcare in Finland when he found out that HIV positive people get their medication for free and it allows them to live a pretty much "normal" life. He felt that it means that there is "no reason" to use a condom since there is no seeming downside to being HIV positive and these damn freeloaders are using our tax money to stay healthy.

...Anyway, HIV does have really low chances of spreading unless there is blood contact and unfortunately anal sex is one of the riskiest things that cause HIV to spread. Which is why it did so much damage to the gay community. Yet again our lesson is: Use a condom.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on May 21, 2015, 02:24:43 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on May 20, 2015, 07:25:18 pm
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/f231f389a53343c5621c580177ef8283/tumblr_nokzqb7agP1u00qgto1_540.png)
"Feel the wind under our winds"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on May 21, 2015, 02:34:44 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Renegade on May 21, 2015, 02:24:43 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on May 20, 2015, 07:25:18 pm
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/f231f389a53343c5621c580177ef8283/tumblr_nokzqb7agP1u00qgto1_540.png)
"Feel the wind under our winds"?

I think that's when you let a fart rip when its breezy out.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on May 21, 2015, 04:40:40 pm
Or, farting so hard and continuously you're effectively a jet aircraft? So, they're implicitly jet-kin, right? <runs>
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on May 21, 2015, 07:33:00 pm
Hey! That kind of talk is triggering to fart-kins!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on May 21, 2015, 09:01:27 pm
Oh god, you just reminded me of the bus-kin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on May 23, 2015, 09:42:03 am
Quote from: mellenORL on May 21, 2015, 04:40:40 pm
Or, farting so hard and continuously you're effectively a jet aircraft? So, they're implicitly jet-kin, right? <runs>
Don't you mean farting like a rocket? Unless of course, you're powering the fart by sucking in stupid amounts of air and forcing it through your digestive tract and out your anus.

Though I suppose if you get into the air first, you could become a ramjet-kin just by opening your mouth. Or perhaps pulse jet-kin if you the necessary sphincter control.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 23, 2015, 08:02:49 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on May 20, 2015, 07:25:18 pm
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/f231f389a53343c5621c580177ef8283/tumblr_nokzqb7agP1u00qgto1_540.png)

And of course what post would be complete without some otherkin fantasizing about somehow getting together.
"...free snacks that resemble what our diet is made of."

What if you're spatula-kin?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on May 23, 2015, 09:00:39 pm
I AM NOODLE-KIN AND I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS TRIGGERS ME OR NOT!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 24, 2015, 09:59:38 am
Quote from: niam2023 on May 20, 2015, 07:25:18 pm
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/fbe66a8fbc1ff515d00812806fc68a0c/tumblr_nogqjlwxYH1u00qgto1_540.png)


There's nothing preventing them from getting AIDS.  It's not like ace people never share needles.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on May 24, 2015, 10:18:28 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 24, 2015, 09:59:38 am
Quote from: niam2023 on May 20, 2015, 07:25:18 pm
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/fbe66a8fbc1ff515d00812806fc68a0c/tumblr_nogqjlwxYH1u00qgto1_540.png)


There's nothing preventing them from getting AIDS.  It's not like ace people never share needles.

Good point. Besides, during the AIDS crisis people were all to eager to call it a "Gay disease" and anyone who got infected was assumed to have gotten it in some horribly sinful gay orgy or whatever. This caused problems both to gay people and to all AIDS victims as a lot of people were willing to ignore the disease. Either because they thought it was God's punishment or simply did not care about the disease that did not seem to be a threat to them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 25, 2015, 02:15:53 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/3sa5t.jpg)

What's really a shame is that this actually started out okay.  Race fetishism is creepy and demeaning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 25, 2015, 03:19:58 pm
I hate to break this to you Tumblr, but whites aren't the only people guilty of that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 25, 2015, 05:22:06 pm
Will you stop telling them about reality.  Their little brains will break into a million pieces.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 25, 2015, 06:38:45 pm
Quote from: Thejebusfire on May 25, 2015, 03:19:58 pm
I hate to break this to you Tumblr, but whites aren't the only people guilty of that.
It's presumably addressing a western and primarily white audience, thus it's perfectly reasonable to address white people specifically.

That being said, the last part just comes off as weirdly aggressive, like "stop,being racist, dipshit. I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 25, 2015, 08:16:13 pm
So you're not allowed to be attracted to your own race or you're racist. But at the same time, you're not allowed to be attracted to other races, or you're racist. You're not allowed to be straight, since that's quite sexist, and you're certainly not allowed to be homosexual, because that's even more sexist (not to mention potentially transphobic). You're not allowed to be bisexual because that's non-binary erasure, and you're not allowed to be pansexual because that's acephobic. So does Tumblr want a world entirely full of asexuals?

Wait, men aren't allowed to be asexual, it's offensive to women. I just remembered.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 25, 2015, 08:18:21 pm
Welcome to the dark side of tumblr.

Ironbite-it's loud and stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 25, 2015, 08:19:29 pm
I'll just say I'm heterodemilithsexual. That will work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on May 25, 2015, 09:36:37 pm
Quote from: ironbite on May 25, 2015, 08:18:21 pm
Welcome to the dark side of tumblr.

Ironbite-it's loud and stupid.

It's a good thing most people live in the would then and not Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 26, 2015, 12:17:50 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on May 25, 2015, 08:16:13 pm
So you're not allowed to be attracted to your own race or you're racist. But at the same time, you're not allowed to be attracted to other races, or you're racist. You're not allowed to be straight, since that's quite sexist, and you're certainly not allowed to be homosexual, because that's even more sexist (not to mention potentially transphobic). You're not allowed to be bisexual because that's non-binary erasure, and you're not allowed to be pansexual because that's acephobic. So does Tumblr want a world entirely full of asexuals?

Wait, men aren't allowed to be asexual, it's offensive to women. I just remembered.
Or just don't seek people out to fuck specifically because of their race, it's creepy and objectifying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on May 26, 2015, 12:29:36 am
Why is finding certain ethnicity attractive worse doing so for any other feature? If you ask someone what their ideal man/woman is they often have a very precise set of features down to hair and eye colour (often HUGE BOOBS/COCK and weight limits are also on the list.) Some people would also list the ethnicity in that same list, is it any worse than having a fetish for redheads?

I mean, if you only care about superficial features you might not get a lasting relationship as it is more important that your personalities match, but I don't think that having a fetish over certain kinds of people is bad in itself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 26, 2015, 12:56:18 am
Quote from: askold on May 26, 2015, 12:29:36 am
Why is finding certain ethnicity attractive worse doing so for any other feature? If you ask someone what their ideal man/woman is they often have a very precise set of features down to hair and eye colour (often HUGE BOOBS/COCK and weight limits are also on the list.) Some people would also list the ethnicity in that same list, is it any worse than having a fetish for redheads?

I mean, if you only care about superficial features you might not get a lasting relationship as it is more important that your personalities match, but I don't think that having a fetish over certain kinds of people is bad in itself.
I don't care if someone thinks black/Latino/Asians people are more sexually attractive, I'm talking about reducing those people to sex object.

Looking back the post doesn't specify that you shouldn't fetishize Latinos and apparently we both interpreted it differently.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 26, 2015, 01:04:58 am
Quote from: I am lizard on May 26, 2015, 12:17:50 am
Or just don't seek people out to fuck specifically because of their race, it's creepy and objectifying.

Good thing I don't do that, then, and was just making a joke about how Tumblr will get offended by just about anything and everything you do or do not do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on May 26, 2015, 01:47:44 am
Quote from: I am lizard on May 26, 2015, 12:56:18 am
I don't care if someone thinks black/Latino/Asians people are more sexually attractive, I'm talking about reducing those people to sex object.

Looking back the post doesn't specify that you shouldn't fetishize Latinos and apparently we both interpreted it differently.

Yes, that is bad. But people are being treated like sex objects even without the "interracial" element (or however this should be referred.) I am not claiming that it isn't wrong (I hope I didn't give that impression) it is just that this is only one specific way in which people treat others as sex objects and it does not make it any more or less wrong whether person A treats another as a mere sex object because they look like Pamela Anderson or because they look like Halle Berry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 26, 2015, 02:03:31 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on May 26, 2015, 01:04:58 am
Quote from: I am lizard on May 26, 2015, 12:17:50 am
Or just don't seek people out to fuck specifically because of their race, it's creepy and objectifying.

Good thing I don't do that, then, and was just making a joke about how Tumblr will get offended by just about anything and everything you do or do not do.
Oh, sorry. I can't hear tone over the Internet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on May 26, 2015, 12:37:36 pm
Quote from: askold on May 26, 2015, 12:29:36 am
fetish for redheads

Does that make you an Irishophile?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on May 26, 2015, 06:39:03 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on May 26, 2015, 12:37:36 pm
Quote from: askold on May 26, 2015, 12:29:36 am
fetish for redheads

Does that make you an Irishophile?

Actually, Scotland has the highest percentage of redheads in the world.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on May 26, 2015, 06:51:52 pm
Quote from: dpareja on May 26, 2015, 06:39:03 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on May 26, 2015, 12:37:36 pm
Quote from: askold on May 26, 2015, 12:29:36 am
fetish for redheads

Does that make you an Irishophile?

Actually, Scotland has the highest percentage of redheads in the world.
But if you told people you were a Scotophile they would probably think you have a fetish for skirt wearing men or  katana wielding immortals played by French actors. ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 26, 2015, 06:59:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/AVOrPBS.jpg)

"platonic partners"

Friends. I think the word you're looking for is friends.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on May 26, 2015, 08:29:33 pm
Quote from: Thejebusfire on May 26, 2015, 06:59:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/AVOrPBS.jpg)

"platonic partners"

Friends. I think the word you're looking for is friends.

how can you be both bigender and transmasculine? i'm missing something big here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on May 26, 2015, 11:12:29 pm
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"platonic partners"

Friends. I think the word you're looking for is friends.

Using pre-established words is oppreshun.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2015, 11:05:04 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/1177j81.jpg)

"HIS response to HER not wanting to play

->

I hope they are both male or female..."

I'd say this explains a lot about your average radflake.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 27, 2015, 12:04:44 pm
Male and female are oppressive binary terms. Please use "masculine-coded" and "feminine-coded" instead.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on May 27, 2015, 12:13:06 pm
So I guess using words like Dog and Bitch are out?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 27, 2015, 01:22:40 pm
.................................HOW IS THAT A THING!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 27, 2015, 10:45:43 pm
Quote from: guizonde on May 26, 2015, 08:29:33 pm
Quote from: Thejebusfire on May 26, 2015, 06:59:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/AVOrPBS.jpg)

"platonic partners"

Friends. I think the word you're looking for is friends.

how can you be both bigender and transmasculine? i'm missing something big here.

Transmasculine is not the same as trans man. It usually implies someone who is afab and more masculine than feminine but doesn't quite identify as male. Which is fairly consistent with being bigender.

Also, "platonic partners" has different connotations than just friends. Or it could just be an in-joke, who knows.



Insert customary remark about how Worst of SJ often ends up being "things I don't like about Tumblr".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on May 27, 2015, 11:02:13 pm
(http://i.gyazo.com/8cef74a6d4d59c6bed4169adf8cf89b4.png)

Whatever, Louisa Farrakhan. Those reparations apparently didn't exist...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on May 28, 2015, 12:29:33 am
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on May 27, 2015, 11:02:13 pm
(http://i.gyazo.com/8cef74a6d4d59c6bed4169adf8cf89b4.png)

Whatever, Louisa Farrakhan. Those reparations apparently didn't exist...
Why must we turn it into a pissing contest?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on May 28, 2015, 04:03:55 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2015, 11:05:04 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/1177j81.jpg)

"HIS response to HER not wanting to play

->

I hope they are both male or female..."

I'd say this explains a lot about your average radflake.

Reading comprehension aside. Having two dogs of the same gender most oftenly causes fights and aggression as they both vie for dominance. A male and female dog together is generally more peaceful.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on May 28, 2015, 05:50:27 am
Quote from: Sylvana on May 28, 2015, 04:03:55 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2015, 11:05:04 am
"HIS response to HER not wanting to play

->

I hope they are both male or female..."

I'd say this explains a lot about your average radflake.

Reading comprehension aside. Having two dogs of the same gender most oftenly causes fights and aggression as they both vie for dominance. A male and female dog together is generally more peaceful.

Actually, I think the commenter hoped that the dogs were same gender because they think "forcing" a male and female dog to live together is like forcing two random people into a relationship regardless of their sexuality. Or something like that.

And despite the fact that homosexual behaviour (bisexual too I think) has been documented in animals the majority of them are probably not homosexual. I think this is Tumblr taking the fight against heteronormativity too far once again.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 28, 2015, 09:16:53 am
Quote from: Sylvana on May 28, 2015, 04:03:55 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 27, 2015, 11:05:04 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/1177j81.jpg)

"HIS response to HER not wanting to play

->

I hope they are both male or female..."

I'd say this explains a lot about your average radflake.

Reading comprehension aside. Having two dogs of the same gender most oftenly causes fights and aggression as they both vie for dominance. A male and female dog together is generally more peaceful.

Yeah bout that.  My sister has a male and female dogs who fight like they're trying to kill one another most days.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on May 28, 2015, 11:42:57 am
Normally two dogs of the same gender, hell two dogs, will sort out dominance issue themselves. Usually the older dog wins. But it depends on so many different variables. But let's look at that pic again. The one on top is a puppy. There's something I've seen quite often. The puppy tries to play, nipping and jumping and yelping and making a general nuisance of himself. If the bitch in the pic doesn't want to play she'll tell the whipper snapper. And that's a common response, to cuddle. Soley based on that pic (which is cute as hell) that's his way of respecting her as alpha.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 29, 2015, 06:02:37 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/n6w7lu.jpg)

I can no longer tell intentional parodies and unintentional self-parodies apart.

Radflakes are killing satire faster than hipsters killed irony.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 31, 2015, 12:48:24 am
That's not serious, but it's not satire, either. It's not meant to ridicule anything. It's just a funny piece of narrative reinterpretation.

Also, that's my new favourite Lion King headcanon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 09:58:47 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/e8a4xl.jpg)

And yes, it's legit:

https://archive.is/l5aby (https://archive.is/l5aby)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 10:45:48 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 09:58:47 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/e8a4xl.jpg)

And yes, it's legit:

https://archive.is/l5aby (https://archive.is/l5aby)
There is some truth in this. There's a psychological phenomenon (I'm too lazy to look for the correct name for it right now) that describes how people tend to internalize negative expectations. In mixed classrooms the pupils are often subjected to gendered stereotypes that cause for example girls to internalize that they aren't as good in mathematical subjects as boys and as a result they don't put as much effort to these subjects strengthening the stereotype. In girls only schools the girls have better results in mathematical subjects when there isn't as much pressure to conform to this stereotype. The boys on the other hand aren't expected to behave as "nice" as girls and thus their general school success suffers.

Of course, a better way than segregation to deal with this is to use teacher education to get rid of these stereotypes.

Edit:

Another hypothesis came to my mind on this issue. There might also be a difference in how people of different genders respond to teaching methods. A method that favors the way boys are socialized to think might cause girl students to have lower success and the other way around. I wonder if there are any studies on the subject from this point of view.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on May 31, 2015, 11:04:20 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 09:58:47 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/e8a4xl.jpg)

And yes, it's legit:

https://archive.is/l5aby (https://archive.is/l5aby)

Yeah, this is actually true. And this shouldn't be in the thread, as she is merely stating a fact (that some studies state X) instead of arguing for that end (racial segregation is good).

Now, if you really want to get mad, read Justice Thomas' dissent in Parents Involved v. First Seattle School District, 551 U.S. 701. There he actually argues that point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 11:17:39 am
Quote from: The_Queen on May 31, 2015, 11:04:20 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 09:58:47 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/e8a4xl.jpg)

And yes, it's legit:

https://archive.is/l5aby (https://archive.is/l5aby)

Yeah, this is actually true. And this shouldn't be in the thread, as she is merely stating a fact (that some studies state X) instead of arguing for that end (racial segregation is good).

Now, if you really want to get mad, read Justice Thomas' dissent in Parents Involved v. First Seattle School District, 551 U.S. 701. There he actually argues that point.

Yeah, why don't you ask Linda Brown how wonderful racially segregated schools are?  Or better yet, ask a student at an inner-city school. 

In all seriousness, though, I’d be interested to know if these studies took into account how many of those gender/ethnically segregated schools are well-funded private institutions.  That might have something to do with it.  Besides, isn’t the whole point of going to school with people who are the opposite gender and a different race from you to, you know, LEARN how to get along with people who aren’t the same as you?

And why shouldn't Anita be held to the same standards as everyone else?  If, say, Ann Coulter said this, you'd be calling for her head.  Besides, Anita doesn't bother to cite the studies she mentioned.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 11:33:23 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 11:17:39 am
In all seriousness, though, I’d be interested to know if these studies took into account how many of those gender/ethnically segregated schools are well-funded private institutions.  That might have something to do with it.
I would be surprised if professional researchers have ignored such a basic thing.

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Besides, isn’t the whole point of going to school with people who are the opposite gender and a different race from you to, you know, LEARN how to get along with people who aren’t the same as you?

The discussion isn't about socialization, it's about grades. The point you are making is precisely why I disagree with the idea of segregation even if it would raise average grades. The long-term negative influences on the social skills and attitudes about other groups would be much worse.

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And why shouldn't Anita be held to the same standards as everyone else?  If, say, Ann Coulter said this, you'd be calling for her head.  Besides, Anita doesn't bother to cite the studies she mentioned.
Anita hasn't got the history of racist comments Coulter has. Taking a person's history into account when analyzing what they mean with a short comment is just basic communication skills. Twitter isn't a place where you make full arguments, 140 letters limit the user to simplistic statements.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 11:44:54 am
Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 11:33:23 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 11:17:39 am
In all seriousness, though, I’d be interested to know if these studies took into account how many of those gender/ethnically segregated schools are well-funded private institutions.  That might have something to do with it.
I would be surprised if professional researchers have ignored such a basic thing.

"Professional" doesn't mean "infallible".  And this wouldn't be the first time a professional made such an idiotic mistake.  George Custer was a professional.  So was Edward Smith.

Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 11:33:23 am
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Besides, isn’t the whole point of going to school with people who are the opposite gender and a different race from you to, you know, LEARN how to get along with people who aren’t the same as you?

The discussion isn't about socialization, it's about grades. The point you are making is precisely why I disagree with the idea of segregation even if it would raise average grades. The long-term negative influences on the social skills and attitudes about other groups would be much worse.

And I agree.

Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 11:33:23 am
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And why shouldn't Anita be held to the same standards as everyone else?  If, say, Ann Coulter said this, you'd be calling for her head.  Besides, Anita doesn't bother to cite the studies she mentioned.
Anita hasn't got the history of racist comments Coulter has.


Yeah, about that:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6uZw43CMAEmuaA.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 12:11:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 11:44:54 am
Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 11:33:23 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 11:17:39 am
In all seriousness, though, I’d be interested to know if these studies took into account how many of those gender/ethnically segregated schools are well-funded private institutions.  That might have something to do with it.
I would be surprised if professional researchers have ignored such a basic thing.

"Professional" doesn't mean "infallible".  And this wouldn't be the first time a professional made such an idiotic mistake.  George Custer was a professional.  So was Edward Smith.
Peer. Review.

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Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 11:33:23 am
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And why shouldn't Anita be held to the same standards as everyone else?  If, say, Ann Coulter said this, you'd be calling for her head.  Besides, Anita doesn't bother to cite the studies she mentioned.
Anita hasn't got the history of racist comments Coulter has.


Yeah, about that:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6uZw43CMAEmuaA.jpg)
The statement about bombing is stupid. That said, this isn't racist. She is criticizing Japanese culture for having strongly patriarchal values. This is different from saying the culture as a whole is or Japanese people are inferior.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 12:16:52 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 12:11:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 11:44:54 am
Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 11:33:23 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 11:17:39 am
In all seriousness, though, I’d be interested to know if these studies took into account how many of those gender/ethnically segregated schools are well-funded private institutions.  That might have something to do with it.
I would be surprised if professional researchers have ignored such a basic thing.

"Professional" doesn't mean "infallible".  And this wouldn't be the first time a professional made such an idiotic mistake.  George Custer was a professional.  So was Edward Smith.
Peer. Review.

Again, she didn't link to these studies, so I don't know if they're peer-reviewed.

Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 12:11:45 pm
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Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 11:33:23 am
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And why shouldn't Anita be held to the same standards as everyone else?  If, say, Ann Coulter said this, you'd be calling for her head.  Besides, Anita doesn't bother to cite the studies she mentioned.
Anita hasn't got the history of racist comments Coulter has.


Yeah, about that:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6uZw43CMAEmuaA.jpg)
The statement about bombing is stupid. That said, this isn't racist. She is criticizing Japanese culture for having strongly patriarchal values. This is different from saying the culture as a whole is or Japanese people are inferior.

It's certainly eyebrow-raising, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 12:27:15 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 12:16:52 pm
Again, she didn't link to these studies, so I don't know if they're peer-reviewed.

Twitter. 140 letters. A place for superficial discussion; if you want full argumentation, read blogs instead of twitter.

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It's certainly eyebrow-raising, though.
How should a feminist criticize Japanese culture's patriarchy, then? Remember that the quote is an impromptu answer given as a response to an audience question.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 12:39:53 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 12:27:15 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 12:16:52 pm
Again, she didn't link to these studies, so I don't know if they're peer-reviewed.

Twitter. 140 letters. A place for superficial discussion; if you want full argumentation, read blogs instead of twitter.

"Adios Barbie" was able to post a link. 

Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 12:27:15 pm
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It's certainly eyebrow-raising, though.
How should a feminist criticize Japanese culture's patriarchy, then? Remember that the quote is an impromptu answer given as a response to an audience question.

She could start by actually learning about Japanese culture.  You know, instead of saying that feminism hasn’t caught on in Glorious Nippon because of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 12:59:37 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 12:39:53 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 12:27:15 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 12:16:52 pm
Again, she didn't link to these studies, so I don't know if they're peer-reviewed.

Twitter. 140 letters. A place for superficial discussion; if you want full argumentation, read blogs instead of twitter.

"Adios Barbie" was able to post a link. 

She asked a question and gave the context. Sarkeesian answered in the casual way that's appropriate for a Twitter conversation. It's not impossible to give sources in Twitter but it's a platform for casual chat. If someone asks a specifying or suspicious question then it becomes more pertinent to present precise sources.


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Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 12:27:15 pm
How should a feminist criticize Japanese culture's patriarchy, then? Remember that the quote is an impromptu answer given as a response to an audience question.

She could start by actually learning about Japanese culture.  You know, instead of saying that feminism hasn’t caught on in Glorious Nippon because of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

She isn't presenting herself as an expert of Japanese culture. Someone asked her a question about an issue she isn't an expert on and she gave an impromptu, flawed answer. There is no evidence about racism here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on May 31, 2015, 01:04:34 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 11:17:39 am
Quote from: The_Queen on May 31, 2015, 11:04:20 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 09:58:47 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/e8a4xl.jpg)

And yes, it's legit:

https://archive.is/l5aby (https://archive.is/l5aby)

Yeah, this is actually true. And this shouldn't be in the thread, as she is merely stating a fact (that some studies state X) instead of arguing for that end (racial segregation is good).

Now, if you really want to get mad, read Justice Thomas' dissent in Parents Involved v. First Seattle School District, 551 U.S. 701. There he actually argues that point.

Yeah, why don't you ask Linda Brown how wonderful racially segregated schools are?  Or better yet, ask a student at an inner-city school. 

Mother of fuck, do you miss the points sometimes. The studies are done with all things being equal. Do you think schools were equally funded during segregation? The answer is no, white schools got 3:1 to 10:1 what black schools got. Do you think inner-city schools are funded the same? Of course not.

And even then, I specifically said that this is a statement of fact: some studies do indicate that all-black schools provide a better environment for black students and that all-female schools provide women with better education (http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ614290). Further, I specifically said "instead of arguing for that end (racial segregation is good)." But that is what this is, it is a giant straw-man because instead of arguing with the results of the tests, you're strawmanning it with segregation. Instead of noticing that all-black or all-female educational institutions can provide better education to some students through minimizing social privileges that can adversely affect education (which spits in the face of your kumbaya beliefs), you opt to argue against segregation, which nobody is even defending.

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In all seriousness, though, I’d be interested to know if these studies took into account how many of those gender/ethnically segregated schools are well-funded private institutions.  That might have something to do with it.  Besides, isn’t the whole point of going to school with people who are the opposite gender and a different race from you to, you know, LEARN how to get along with people who aren’t the same as you?

This is just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure women and black people are around enough white-guys in the course of their day to day lives to learn about white-men in this country. The belief, at least to my understanding, is that all-female schools allow women to speak up and participate in leadership roles in a manner that co-ed schools often do not and that all-black school's provide education devoid of white-bias that primarily white schools cannot.

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And why shouldn't Anita be held to the same standards as everyone else?  If, say, Ann Coulter said this, you'd be calling for her head.  Besides, Anita doesn't bother to cite the studies she mentioned.

Because again this is a fucking strawman that you're presenting so that you can justify Anita-hate, because of that thing that shall not be mentioned. Anita isn't arguing for segregation, she is merely saying what studies show. In essence, just because you acknowledge benefits of all-black or all-female schools does not mean that you support segregation. To quote John Stewart in a clip about Glenn Beck, "because if you adhere to an aspect of an ideology, then you clearly believe in that ideology when taken to an absurd extreme." That is what you're doing, taking the notion that all-black or all-female schools have benefits, and conflating that with segregation--which is just bad form.

Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 12:11:45 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 11:44:54 am
Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 11:33:23 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 11:17:39 am
In all seriousness, though, I’d be interested to know if these studies took into account how many of those gender/ethnically segregated schools are well-funded private institutions.  That might have something to do with it.
I would be surprised if professional researchers have ignored such a basic thing.

"Professional" doesn't mean "infallible".  And this wouldn't be the first time a professional made such an idiotic mistake.  George Custer was a professional.  So was Edward Smith.
Peer. Review.

Ask, and ye shall receive. (http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ614290)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 01:27:45 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on May 31, 2015, 01:04:34 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 11:17:39 am
Quote from: The_Queen on May 31, 2015, 11:04:20 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 09:58:47 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/e8a4xl.jpg)

And yes, it's legit:

https://archive.is/l5aby (https://archive.is/l5aby)

Yeah, this is actually true. And this shouldn't be in the thread, as she is merely stating a fact (that some studies state X) instead of arguing for that end (racial segregation is good).

Now, if you really want to get mad, read Justice Thomas' dissent in Parents Involved v. First Seattle School District, 551 U.S. 701. There he actually argues that point.

Yeah, why don't you ask Linda Brown how wonderful racially segregated schools are?  Or better yet, ask a student at an inner-city school. 

Mother of fuck, do you miss the points sometimes. The studies are done with all things being equal. Do you think schools were equally funded during segregation? The answer is no, white schools got 3:1 to 10:1 what black schools got. Do you think inner-city schools are funded the same? Of course not.

And even then, I specifically said that this is a statement of fact: some studies do indicate that all-black schools provide a better environment for black students and that all-female schools provide women with better education (http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ614290). Further, I specifically said "instead of arguing for that end (racial segregation is good)." But that is what this is, it is a giant straw-man because instead of arguing with the results of the tests, you're strawmanning it with segregation. Instead of noticing that all-black or all-female educational institutions can provide better education to some students through minimizing social privileges that can adversely affect education (which spits in the face of your kumbaya beliefs), you opt to argue against segregation, which nobody is even defending.

You want me to argue about the tests?  Fine:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/single-sex-schools-negative-kids-study/story?id=14581023 (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/single-sex-schools-negative-kids-study/story?id=14581023)

Quote from: The_Queen on May 31, 2015, 01:04:34 pm
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In all seriousness, though, I’d be interested to know if these studies took into account how many of those gender/ethnically segregated schools are well-funded private institutions.  That might have something to do with it.  Besides, isn’t the whole point of going to school with people who are the opposite gender and a different race from you to, you know, LEARN how to get along with people who aren’t the same as you?

This is just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure women and black people are around enough white-guys in the course of their day to day lives to learn about white-men in this country. The belief, at least to my understanding, is that all-female schools allow women to speak up and participate in leadership roles in a manner that co-ed schools often do not and that all-black school's provide education devoid of white-bias that primarily white schools cannot.

With all due respect, you might have a point about women.  But there are still a lot of neighborhoods that are mostly one race.  There are a lot of African-Americans who live in mostly black neighborhoods, a lot of whites who live in mostly white neighborhoods, a lot of Asian-Americans who mostly live in Asian neighborhoods, etc.  There are a lot of white kids who grow up without Latino neighbors, a lot of black kids who grow up without Asian neighbors, etc.

And what do you mean "education devoid of white bias"?  Don't tell me you actually believe that nonsense about African-Americans being confused by tests that say "behind the sofa" instead of "in back of the couch". 

Quote from: The_Queen on May 31, 2015, 01:04:34 pm
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And why shouldn't Anita be held to the same standards as everyone else?  If, say, Ann Coulter said this, you'd be calling for her head.  Besides, Anita doesn't bother to cite the studies she mentioned.

Because again this is a fucking strawman that you're presenting so that you can justify Anita-hate, because of that thing that shall not be mentioned. Anita isn't arguing for segregation, she is merely saying what studies show. In essence, just because you acknowledge benefits of all-black or all-female schools does not mean that you support segregation. To quote John Stewart in a clip about Glenn Beck, "because if you adhere to an aspect of an ideology, then you clearly believe in that ideology when taken to an absurd extreme." That is what you're doing, taking the notion that all-black or all-female schools have benefits, and conflating that with segregation--which is just bad form.

Alrighty then.  Pretend Anita's a conservative.  Would you still be defending her?  Be honest with yourself.

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In all seriousness, though, I’d be interested to know if these studies took into account how many of those gender/ethnically segregated schools are well-funded private institutions.  That might have something to do with it.
I would be surprised if professional researchers have ignored such a basic thing.

"Professional" doesn't mean "infallible".  And this wouldn't be the first time a professional made such an idiotic mistake.  George Custer was a professional.  So was Edward Smith.
Peer. Review.

Ask, and ye shall receive. (http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ614290)

Do you have any other sources?  That study's over fifteen years old, and only talks about African-Americans.  Furthermore, it says nothing about women.

Besides, that's about historically black colleges.  Not everybody goes to college.  I'm talking about pre-college education.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 01:30:08 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on May 31, 2015, 01:04:34 pm
I'm pretty sure women and black people are around enough white-guys in the course of their day to day lives to learn about white-men in this country. The belief, at least to my understanding, is that all-female schools allow women to speak up and participate in leadership roles in a manner that co-ed schools often do not and that all-black school's provide education devoid of white-bias that primarily white schools cannot.
This is something I don't fully agree with. The regular, daily contact with individual members of other groups and the friendships children have in a non-segregated school has is different from more superficial contacts they have outside it. Another important contribution of non-segregated schools is that it puts the majority group in contact with the minority groups and influences how the members of the majority learn to interact with them.

Edit:

I'm going to stay away from the debate on this issue after this for now. No energy at the moment to start hunting for sources and analyzing them. The reason I didn't bother looking for them was that I felt the real issue UP had was with Sarkeesian and her actions, not the argument itself. This doesn't mean that I won't follow this discussion with interest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on May 31, 2015, 02:32:22 pm
Ultimate Paragon, I just want to chime in and say that as someone who can't stand Anita Sarkeesian, you're really raising a mountain out of literally nothing here. She didn't say anything objectionable, and this doesn't belong in worst of social justice or worst of anything, for that matter. You're just trying desperately to try to find (non-Gamergate related, because that topic is banned) things she says that will make the forum not like her, and it's really showing in how hard you're trying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on May 31, 2015, 02:39:21 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 31, 2015, 01:27:45 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on May 31, 2015, 01:04:34 pm
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(http://oi59.tinypic.com/e8a4xl.jpg)

And yes, it's legit:

https://archive.is/l5aby (https://archive.is/l5aby)

Yeah, this is actually true. And this shouldn't be in the thread, as she is merely stating a fact (that some studies state X) instead of arguing for that end (racial segregation is good).

Now, if you really want to get mad, read Justice Thomas' dissent in Parents Involved v. First Seattle School District, 551 U.S. 701. There he actually argues that point.

Yeah, why don't you ask Linda Brown how wonderful racially segregated schools are?  Or better yet, ask a student at an inner-city school. 

Mother of fuck, do you miss the points sometimes. The studies are done with all things being equal. Do you think schools were equally funded during segregation? The answer is no, white schools got 3:1 to 10:1 what black schools got. Do you think inner-city schools are funded the same? Of course not.

And even then, I specifically said that this is a statement of fact: some studies do indicate that all-black schools provide a better environment for black students and that all-female schools provide women with better education (http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ614290). Further, I specifically said "instead of arguing for that end (racial segregation is good)." But that is what this is, it is a giant straw-man because instead of arguing with the results of the tests, you're strawmanning it with segregation. Instead of noticing that all-black or all-female educational institutions can provide better education to some students through minimizing social privileges that can adversely affect education (which spits in the face of your kumbaya beliefs), you opt to argue against segregation, which nobody is even defending.

You want me to argue about the tests?  Fine:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/single-sex-schools-negative-kids-study/story?id=14581023 (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/single-sex-schools-negative-kids-study/story?id=14581023)

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Do you have any other sources?  That study's over fifteen years old, and only talks about African-Americans.  Furthermore, it says nothing about women.

Besides, that's about historically black colleges.  Not everybody goes to college.  I'm talking about pre-college education.

Goal post shift. You initially attacked Anita for saying that some studies show that all-black schools have benefits, likening it to a call for segregation. I presented a study that shows the exact thing stated. I've meet my burden of proof on the issue of whether studies supporting the benefits of all-black schools exist, and I do not plan to get into a debate as to which side is right. As for women, I can't be fucked to read through more peer reviewed studies on my day off, but a simple google search showed me this (http://www.simmons.edu/admission-and-financial-aid/undergraduate-admission/why-simmons/why-a-womens-college).

Second, when you say "Not everybody goes to college.  I'm talking about pre-college education." It is just another goal-post shift. Nothing Anita says limits it to college or pre-college education. You only add that disclaimer after I presented a study about the benefits of historically black universities.


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In all seriousness, though, I’d be interested to know if these studies took into account how many of those gender/ethnically segregated schools are well-funded private institutions.  That might have something to do with it.  Besides, isn’t the whole point of going to school with people who are the opposite gender and a different race from you to, you know, LEARN how to get along with people who aren’t the same as you?

This is just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure women and black people are around enough white-guys in the course of their day to day lives to learn about white-men in this country. The belief, at least to my understanding, is that all-female schools allow women to speak up and participate in leadership roles in a manner that co-ed schools often do not and that all-black school's provide education devoid of white-bias that primarily white schools cannot.

With all due respect, you might have a point about women.  But there are still a lot of neighborhoods that are mostly one race.  There are a lot of African-Americans who live in mostly black neighborhoods, a lot of whites who live in mostly white neighborhoods, a lot of Asian-Americans who mostly live in Asian neighborhoods, etc.  There are a lot of white kids who grow up without Latino neighbors, a lot of black kids who grow up without Asian neighbors, etc.

And what do you mean "education devoid of white bias"?  Don't tell me you actually believe that nonsense about African-Americans being confused by tests that say "behind the sofa" instead of "in back of the couch".

First off, that is a mischaracterization of an actual problem with educational testing (http://www.theintellectualdevotional.com/blog/2010/03/23/the-sat-the-fateful-oarsman-regatta-analogy/), which is again tangential to the issue we're debating.

The real point of the sentence is how racial bias can be internalized. For example, teachers and professors are more likely to call on and give additional help to white, male students. (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2063742) Often, at primarily white universities, white students look down their noses at black students as "affirmative action acceptances" (read some of Clarence Thomas' experience). Black students may internalize these things, and countless others I don't feel like looking up or arguing, and do worse than their peers academically. In contrast, a lot of these social privileges are erased at all-black or all-female schools. Not all, but a lot nonetheless.

Second, as the simmons link I posted highlights, these schools provide a good opportunity for students to see other students and faculty that is like them. So often in media, women and black people are portray as the girlfriend or the "sidekick," in contrast to being the leader or the hero. At these schools, black and female students can see leadership roles satisfied by other black and female students--they are placed in an environment in which they are surrounded by other young and ambitious students, which can help reduce the effects of internalized bias.

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And why shouldn't Anita be held to the same standards as everyone else?  If, say, Ann Coulter said this, you'd be calling for her head.  Besides, Anita doesn't bother to cite the studies she mentioned.

Because again this is a fucking strawman that you're presenting so that you can justify Anita-hate, because of that thing that shall not be mentioned. Anita isn't arguing for segregation, she is merely saying what studies show. In essence, just because you acknowledge benefits of all-black or all-female schools does not mean that you support segregation. To quote John Stewart in a clip about Glenn Beck, "because if you adhere to an aspect of an ideology, then you clearly believe in that ideology when taken to an absurd extreme." That is what you're doing, taking the notion that all-black or all-female schools have benefits, and conflating that with segregation--which is just bad form.

Alrighty then.  Pretend Anita's a conservative.  Would you still be defending her?  Be honest with yourself.

You just ignored everything I said to shift this into an argument about partisan politics...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on May 31, 2015, 04:48:39 pm
Might be beneficial for all to give this it's own thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 31, 2015, 05:01:06 pm
I'm betting Anita could tweet about how the sky is blue and it's a wonderful days and her detractors would find something wrong with such a statement.

Ironbite-how is it that one woman has threatened such a vast amount of people simply by stating a viewpoint?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on May 31, 2015, 11:00:03 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/vZDxAKJ.png)

Not everyone feels the need to put their pronouns in their about.
Honestly, I don't understand why that bothers you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 31, 2015, 11:01:15 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 10:45:48 am
There is some truth in this. There's a psychological phenomenon (I'm too lazy to look for the correct name for it right now) that describes how people tend to internalize negative expectations. In mixed classrooms the pupils are often subjected to gendered stereotypes that cause for example girls to internalize that they aren't as good in mathematical subjects as boys and as a result they don't put as much effort to these subjects strengthening the stereotype. In girls only schools the girls have better results in mathematical subjects when there isn't as much pressure to conform to this stereotype. The boys on the other hand aren't expected to behave as "nice" as girls and thus their general school success suffers.

It's called stereotype threat. It's not clear it's a real thing (there are some failures to replicate, etc.) but that's about standard for social psychology. Either way, yeah, studies exist. "Studies exist" is a pretty low bar, but that's the claim she made and so that's the bar she has to clear.

I actually find it quite surprising she'd be willing to say segregation might have positive effects, I assumed that was SJ taboo. But then there are moves towards segregationist-ish things from the opposite end in some SJ circles, so who knows.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 31, 2015, 11:09:04 pm
Quote from: Thejebusfire on May 31, 2015, 11:00:03 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/vZDxAKJ.png)

Not everyone feels the need to put their pronouns in their about.
Honestly, I don't understand why that bothers you.

I know cis people who put their pronouns in their abouts and trans people who don't. My about contains just my age.

Also, I'm totally a B+ INTJ/P Ravenclaw Aries.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on June 01, 2015, 06:47:27 pm
Quote from: ironbite on May 31, 2015, 05:01:06 pm
I'm betting Anita could tweet about how the sky is blue and it's a wonderful days and her detractors would find something wrong with such a statement.

Ironbite-how is it that one woman has threatened such a vast amount of people simply by stating a viewpoint?

Oh, are you hinting that yesterday was NOT a wonderful day? And why are you so obsessed with the color of the sky? SKY COLOR SHOULD NOT MATTTERRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on June 01, 2015, 07:10:44 pm
Quote from: Lady Evil on June 01, 2015, 06:47:27 pm
Quote from: ironbite on May 31, 2015, 05:01:06 pm
I'm betting Anita could tweet about how the sky is blue and it's a wonderful days and her detractors would find something wrong with such a statement.

Ironbite-how is it that one woman has threatened such a vast amount of people simply by stating a viewpoint?

Oh, are you hinting that yesterday was NOT a wonderful day? And why are you so obsessed with the color of the sky? SKY COLOR SHOULD NOT MATTTERRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111

I'm just the moderate concerned about ethics in accurately describing sky color. Don't confuse me with the extremists I'm always giving cover to.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 01, 2015, 07:36:36 pm
I love you guys.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 01, 2015, 09:08:17 pm
Okay, let's take a moment and pretend that segregation does let girls and racial minorities get better grades.  Is it worth it?  I'd say no.  Why?  Because it would lead to the exacerbation of divisions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 01, 2015, 10:47:46 pm
Just gonna assume that UP is once again missing the forest for the tree he's barking up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 01, 2015, 11:41:19 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 01, 2015, 09:08:17 pm
Okay, let's take a moment and pretend that segregation does let girls and racial minorities get better grades.  Is it worth it?  I'd say no.  Why?  Because it would lead to the exacerbation of divisions.

Probably true. It's a good thing nobody said "Let's segregate schools!", then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on June 02, 2015, 01:20:31 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on May 31, 2015, 11:01:15 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on May 31, 2015, 10:45:48 am
There is some truth in this. There's a psychological phenomenon (I'm too lazy to look for the correct name for it right now) that describes how people tend to internalize negative expectations. In mixed classrooms the pupils are often subjected to gendered stereotypes that cause for example girls to internalize that they aren't as good in mathematical subjects as boys and as a result they don't put as much effort to these subjects strengthening the stereotype. In girls only schools the girls have better results in mathematical subjects when there isn't as much pressure to conform to this stereotype. The boys on the other hand aren't expected to behave as "nice" as girls and thus their general school success suffers.

It's called stereotype threat. It's not clear it's a real thing (there are some failures to replicate, etc.) but that's about standard for social psychology. Either way, yeah, studies exist. "Studies exist" is a pretty low bar, but that's the claim she made and so that's the bar she has to clear.

I actually find it quite surprising she'd be willing to say segregation might have positive effects, I assumed that was SJ taboo. But then there are moves towards segregationist-ish things from the opposite end in some SJ circles, so who knows.

A few pages back we had a SJW and a Neonazi agreeing with each other. The horseshoe is starting to become a circle.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 02, 2015, 08:59:20 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2cr0u8j.jpg)

This is like watching an abusive relationship.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on June 02, 2015, 06:55:13 pm
Quote from: ironbite on June 01, 2015, 07:36:36 pm
I love you guys.

Love you too, IB.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 04, 2015, 09:40:41 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/143km7a.jpg)

I don't know if this asshole is telling the truth or just being an Internet Badass, but they're a scumbag either way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 04, 2015, 11:38:02 am
The responder is referencing a story someone on tumblr posted about how he and a friend were walking somewhere when a "bus full of trans people wearing 'Die Cis Scum' shirts jumped out and beat them up".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 04, 2015, 03:11:23 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/259ftkj.jpg)

"People with tons of kintypes are 100% just as valid as any other member of the otherkin community."

I couldn't agree more.  They're all equally invalid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on June 04, 2015, 07:44:46 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 02, 2015, 08:59:20 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2cr0u8j.jpg)

This is like watching an abusive relationship.

I'm reminded of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDMdaGhTDS4
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 05, 2015, 10:00:03 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/5txrt.jpg)

It must be such a burden, having to treat people who want to help with something other than blind, vitriolic hatred.  I feel your pain.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 05, 2015, 10:06:52 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 05, 2015, 10:00:03 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/5txrt.jpg)

It must be such a burden, having to treat people who want to help with something other than blind, vitriolic hatred.  I feel your pain.

we're not always on the same page, but this time you stole the words from my mouth, UP.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on June 06, 2015, 12:07:32 am
Quote from: guizonde on June 05, 2015, 10:06:52 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 05, 2015, 10:00:03 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/5txrt.jpg)

It must be such a burden, having to treat people who want to help with something other than blind, vitriolic hatred.  I feel your pain.

we're not always on the same page, but this time you stole the words from my mouth, UP.

(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww164/uncletogie/ScruffySeconded.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 06, 2015, 04:31:09 pm
From a blog that replied to the above:

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really allies should be treated as shitty as the opressors because its not like we can tell the difference

Her profile says this:

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Hi everyone i'm Kaylee (but prefer to be called kaeli).  I'm 15 and really socially awkward. [. . .]  i'm (unfortunatly) white and cis and straight (ugh :( ikr) but trying to change.

Really hope she's a troll.  Notice how she says "not like we can tell the difference" like she's part of these groups when her profile clearly states she's not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on June 06, 2015, 06:24:29 pm
Good luck changing that whiteness. Maybe if you dig around in your ancestry enough you can find someone who's Cherokee or Mexican.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 06, 2015, 06:29:16 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on June 06, 2015, 06:24:29 pm
Good luck changing that whiteness. Maybe if you dig around in your ancestry enough you can find someone who's Cherokee or Mexican.

Reminds me of that one episode of South Park where Kyle tried to make himself into a tall black guy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on June 06, 2015, 10:29:23 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on June 06, 2015, 06:24:29 pm
Good luck changing that whiteness. Maybe if you dig around in your ancestry enough you can find someone who's Cherokee or Mexican.
Well, if you dig back far enough, we all have African ancestors.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on June 07, 2015, 12:31:50 am
Quote from: SCarpelan on June 06, 2015, 10:29:23 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on June 06, 2015, 06:24:29 pm
Good luck changing that whiteness. Maybe if you dig around in your ancestry enough you can find someone who's Cherokee or Mexican.
Well, if you dig back far enough, we all have African ancestors.

Yeah, but if the fraction is so large you can't quantify it, does it really count? Much better to be 1/128th Cherokee.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on June 07, 2015, 01:03:48 am
Or you can just listen to rap music and say you're a transnigger.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on June 07, 2015, 09:14:14 am
I've heard that sometimes people low on the internet. Maybe that could work here?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 07, 2015, 09:47:00 am
So now people are calling The Witcher 3 racist on the grounds that all the human characters are white. 

https://archive.is/xVi1t#selection-1106.0-1563.33 (https://archive.is/xVi1t#selection-1106.0-1563.33)

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Also, while I did not by any means see every city, burg and outpost in The Witcher 3's world in my 70+ hours spent within it, I don't recall a single non-white humanoid anywhere — not in Skellige, Novograd, Oxenfurt or anywhere else. Once I realized this I couldn't stop looking for any example of a person of color anywhere, and I never found it, unless you count naked monster women sitting at the feet of a boss like a slightly more awkward tribute to a Frank Frazetta painting. But maybe they're in there, somewhere.

The problem?  The game is based on Slavic mythology!  I mean, what the hell?  If somebody makes a game based on Hindu mythology, should they add Native American characters for the sake of diversity?

Jesus Christ, this is even more ridiculous than the "controversy" over Resident Evil 5/i].  Yes, God forbid a game set in Africa have black people as enemies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 07, 2015, 10:15:04 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on June 07, 2015, 01:03:48 am
Or you can just listen to rap music and say you're a transnigger.

[cinema sins] hahaha... that's racist.[/cinema sins] except if you're a tumblrina.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 07, 2015, 10:41:17 am
They used to just call themselves Wiggas.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 08, 2015, 02:56:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/C69AoCu.png)

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because it could lead to thinking that it's just a preference not to be attracted to trans people, or to POC, or to any marginalized group.

Because it is.

Despite the fact that I have never met a (non-asexual) white person who wasn't attracted to at least some non-whites, attractiveness is still an utterly subjective and personal experience.  You don't ever get to tell a person whom they have to find attractive.  It's simply not your business.  And even if it was, it wouldn't matter because we don't really get to consciously decide who is and who isn't attractive for us.

Try to change the overall cultural understanding and representation of beauty, if you want to, that's a noble goal, but don't make this personal.  It just makes you seem like an authoritarian asshole.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 08, 2015, 03:01:55 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 08, 2015, 02:56:13 pm
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because it could lead to thinking that it's just a preference not to be attracted to trans people, or to POC, or to any marginalized group.

Because it is.

Despite the fact that I have never met a (non-asexual) white person who wasn't attracted to at least some non-whites, attractiveness is still an utterly subjective and personal experience.  You don't ever get to tell a person whom they have to find attractive. It's simply not your business.  And even if it was, it wouldn't matter because we don't really get to consciously decide who is and who isn't attractive for us.

Try to change the overall cultural understanding and representation of beauty, if you want to, that's a noble goal, but don't make this personal.  It just makes you seem like an authoritarian asshole.

to be fair, they are. i find this reasoning to be blatantly missing the point of the term "preference". almost as if they think that it's a fad or something. "welp, we're week 2 of june 2015, might as well stop being attracted to physically handicapped marmosets for it's time to start the transnigger love." that gets me thinking, maybe they don't even know what sexual preference even is. i'm not attracted to boys, or blacks (usually), why do they think i have to be attracted to black boys? out of fairness?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 08, 2015, 09:20:54 pm
I think the biggest problem here, in my opinion, is that if you take this "not being attracted to X is badwrong" idea to its logical end you are taking away other people's rights. If a person is not allowed to "choose" who they are attracted to are they also not allowed to reject advances from anyone? You end up in a situation where you are saying that if A wants to date (or simply have sex with) B then B is not allowed to refuse because doing so would imply that B is not attracted to A.

I mean other than that the whole idea is stupid enough already. Whether or not I consider person 24423 to be attractive or not it is still my own preference and does not matter in any way. I am not likely to consider them less of a person if I am not attracted to them or vice versa. This only becomes an issue if a) I decide to act like an asshole and go insult them because I am not attracted to them.  b) that person is attracted to me but things don't work out because I don't feel the same.

In either case, a is just one excuse why people are assholes and not limited to this issue and b is just something that happens, not all romances will work out. Anyway, a is simply part of a bigger problem (some people are assholes) and b cannot really be fixed unless we are make a law saying that people are not allowed to refuse sex... (well, maybe if we modify every single persons brain so that they think that anyone they see is beautiful. But that would again be violating their free will.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on June 09, 2015, 10:48:57 am
I agree with the tumblrina. To go further, I truly believe 21 year old coeds should be attracted to middle aged men.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 09, 2015, 08:16:01 pm
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afro-textured hair along with big exaggerated painted lips and a big fake red nose. the whole idea of circus clowns stems from racism and the mockery of black men who were slaves at the time

Clowns have red curly hair, white faces, freckles, red noses, walk funny, and wear patched, oversized clothing.  If anything, they're Irish, not black.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 13, 2015, 09:21:57 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2mg1agn.jpg)

In that case, I guess African-Americans who aren't Republican deserve to be enslaved.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on June 13, 2015, 09:56:19 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 13, 2015, 09:21:57 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2mg1agn.jpg)

In that case, I guess African-Americans who aren't Republican deserve to be enslaved.

Is there more to this story than that quote because as it stands the only 'worst of' here is your comment?

If you are against feminism (as opposed to simply thinking society has progressed far enough and will continue to progress towards true equality just fine without it) then you are, on its face, against at least some of the rights feminism has managed to win. To suggest that you would support repealing those rights isn't even a hyperbolic statement when you look at 'the war on women' that the right has been quietly and not so quietly waging for years now. It's fair to lump all these rights together rather than just the subset they are currently concerned with because, frankly, if one right is at risk, eventually they all are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 13, 2015, 10:15:29 am
Hell, I'm gonna go post that Jessica Valenti tweet in Best of Social Justice right now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 13, 2015, 10:23:54 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on June 13, 2015, 09:56:19 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 13, 2015, 09:21:57 am
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In that case, I guess African-Americans who aren't Republican deserve to be enslaved.

Is there more to this story than that quote because as it stands the only 'worst of' here is your comment?

If you are against feminism (as opposed to simply thinking society has progressed far enough and will continue to progress towards true equality just fine without it) then you are, on its face, against at least some of the rights feminism has managed to win. To suggest that you would support repealing those rights isn't even a hyperbolic statement when you look at 'the war on women' that the right has been quietly and not so quietly waging for years now. It's fair to lump all these rights together rather than just the subset they are currently concerned with because, frankly, if one right is at risk, eventually they all are.

Well, the way I see it, there are two main varieties of anti-feminist: those who actually want to scale back women's rights, and those critical of what they think feminism has become.  While I have some problems with the latter (not least of which is their tendency to conflate the various types of feminism into a single movement), they're nowhere near as bad as the former.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on June 13, 2015, 10:32:05 am
Mrs. Rookie and I have had several conversions about this. Growing up years, decades ago, feminism was all about getting women on an equal social standing as men. That's what Mrs. Rookie worked for. I am always happy to help that effort. She more than any cannot stand tumblrina feminism though. First whining on the computer isn't doing anything. Second that is not what we grew up with feminism being and neither one of us likes this new direction. That's not equality. I guess the good thing is its not really getting outside the tumblrverse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 13, 2015, 05:58:46 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on June 13, 2015, 09:56:19 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 13, 2015, 09:21:57 am
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In that case, I guess African-Americans who aren't Republican deserve to be enslaved.

Is there more to this story than that quote because as it stands the only 'worst of' here is your comment?

If you are against feminism (as opposed to simply thinking society has progressed far enough and will continue to progress towards true equality just fine without it) then you are, on its face, against at least some of the rights feminism has managed to win. To suggest that you would support repealing those rights isn't even a hyperbolic statement when you look at 'the war on women' that the right has been quietly and not so quietly waging for years now. It's fair to lump all these rights together rather than just the subset they are currently concerned with because, frankly, if one right is at risk, eventually they all are.

People who declare themselves to be against feminism are typically not opposed to women's rights*, they just dislike the feminist movement.

The problem is that some people define feminism to be women's rights, and others to be a specific movement which does specific actions in favour of their idea of women's rights. People who use#womenagainstfeminism are almost always using the second definition, while Jessica Valenti's comment implies they are using the first. I don't know that I'd call it "worst", though, because it seems more of a misunderstanding than a deliberate equivocation.


*typically being the operative word here, of course. Some people are opposed to women's rights.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 13, 2015, 10:35:21 pm
I am guessing the "women against feminism" thing is either right wingers or people who have been given a certain look at feminism by a certain group of people, either tumblrinas or manipulative mras.

They think that feminism calls for them to cut men out of their life or even hurt them (thanks, radfem hub), and have them all become lesbian vegans with a Smash The Patriarchy / Kyriarchy idea firmly put in their head. Due to publicity given to certain kinds of people, this is the kind of image feminism is starting to get - a loud and shrill shriek of CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE and identifying as Quadragender whatevers, and using speech that is, according to people here simply letting off steam and expressing feelings, but to the outside world, resembling a hostile intention and malfeasant notions.

Essentially, Tumblr and some rather cunning MRAs are accidentally working together to poison the well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 13, 2015, 10:52:06 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 13, 2015, 10:35:21 pm
I am guessing the "women against feminism" thing is either right wingers or people who have been given a certain look at feminism by a certain group of people, either tumblrinas or manipulative mras.

They think that feminism calls for them to cut men out of their life or even hurt them (thanks, radfem hub), and have them all become lesbian vegans with a Smash The Patriarchy / Kyriarchy idea firmly put in their head. Due to publicity given to certain kinds of people, this is the kind of image feminism is starting to get - a loud and shrill shriek of CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE and identifying as Quadragender whatevers, and using speech that is, according to people here simply letting off steam and expressing feelings, but to the outside world, resembling a hostile intention and malfeasant notions.

Essentially, Tumblr and some rather cunning MRAs are accidentally working together to poison the well.

I just wish the toxfems and redpillers would hatefuck already.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 14, 2015, 04:48:09 pm
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Did I mention how much I hate TERFs?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on June 15, 2015, 12:00:21 am
There's somebody on tumblr who's claiming that Chris Pratt's fake tan in Jurassic World qualifies as "brown face".  They've also apparently gone on about "invisible illness privilege" which I can only assume means "mental illnesses that aren't physically apparent".  I'm guessing they're comparing it to "white passing".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 15, 2015, 01:33:01 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 15, 2015, 12:00:21 am
There's somebody on tumblr who's claiming that Chris Pratt's fake tan in Jurassic World qualifies as "brown face".  They've also apparently gone on about "invisible illness privilege" which I can only assume means "mental illnesses that aren't physically apparent".  I'm guessing they're comparing it to "white passing".

If there's any privilege in having an "invisible illness," I'm sure as fuck not seeing it. If anything, it makes it worse, because people expect you to act normally since you look normal, and are even more put out when you don't because, well, you aren't normal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on June 15, 2015, 02:33:29 am
So they're pissed at people who have actual mental illnesses and don't go around constantly waving it about like some kind of trophy showing how speshul they are? Bitch fuck you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 15, 2015, 03:09:08 am
Quote from: MadCatTLX on June 15, 2015, 02:33:29 am
So they're pissed at people who have actual mental illnesses and don't go around constantly waving it about like some kind of trophy showing how speshul they are? Bitch fuck you.

How about getting mad at deaf people who use hearing aids? Or getting mad at parents who get hearing aids to their deaf kid? Because both of those are apparently an attack against deaf people and the latter case in particular "denies them of their birthright."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 15, 2015, 07:33:34 am
And don't even get them started on the mere idea of cochlear implants.

(My ASL course a few semesters ago had a unit on deaf culture...even the unpleasant bits.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 15, 2015, 08:12:11 am
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I guess it's a good thing there aren't any deer your parents' basement.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 15, 2015, 09:17:58 am
Quote from: dpareja on June 15, 2015, 01:33:01 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 15, 2015, 12:00:21 am
There's somebody on tumblr who's claiming that Chris Pratt's fake tan in Jurassic World qualifies as "brown face".  They've also apparently gone on about "invisible illness privilege" which I can only assume means "mental illnesses that aren't physically apparent".  I'm guessing they're comparing it to "white passing".

If there's any privilege in having an "invisible illness," I'm sure as fuck not seeing it. If anything, it makes it worse, because people expect you to act normally since you look normal, and are even more put out when you don't because, well, you aren't normal.

i'd like to see that person try to live with a personnality disorder. i'll gladly give them my paranoid psychosis and see how they cope with it. it's not a privilege, it's a major handicap that i'm forced to live with (most likely) until i die. i don't brag about it because it makes me sound like a serial killer in the minds of laymen. trust me, you don't want to have those.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 15, 2015, 01:48:26 pm
And now for some good old-fashioned double standards:

https://archive.is/qZjoo (https://archive.is/qZjoo)

Congratulations, Ms. Stone, you made me side with Sarah Palin against you.

This article attempts to make a distinction between Josh Duggar molesting his sisters, and Lena Dunham molesting her sister.  It portrays Lena's interest in her sister's body as nothing more than childlike curiosity, claiming she merely looked at her younger sister's vagina when she was seven.

The problem?  That's not true.  The author fails to mention the "child-like curiosity" Lena Dunham had for her one year old baby sister lasted until Lena was 17 years old.  She would bribe her sister into her bed, and masturbate in front of her.  And the way she described it... it's even more sickening.  She was literally getting sexual pleasure from forcing her sister to beg to sleep with her.  She 'put on a big show of saying no'.  This is some disgusting shit man.  Calling it anything other than predatory is dishonest.

But then, why tell the entire truth about Dunham's 10 year history of creepy behavior with her younger sister when you can only talk about the time she was 7 and just showing her natural, innocent, and childlike curiosity?

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Duggar.  What he did was despicable.  My problem is that the media refuses to give Lena the same treatment, and that they (rightly) denounce people defending Duggar, while at the same time defending Dunham.

The only thing I agree with the author on: It's not a fucking competition.  There is no gold medal for the world's most prolific kid fucker.  It doesn't matter who's "worse", they're both disgusting excuses for human beings.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on June 15, 2015, 04:04:49 pm
Hadn't heard that about Lena Dunham in that regard. Where'd you get the info?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 15, 2015, 04:24:24 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on June 15, 2015, 04:04:49 pm
Hadn't heard that about Lena Dunham in that regard. Where'd you get the info?

She wrote about it in her own memoir: Not That Kind of Girl.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on June 15, 2015, 05:37:24 pm
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What is catharsis?


Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on June 15, 2015, 05:55:40 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 15, 2015, 04:24:24 pm
Quote from: Sleepy on June 15, 2015, 04:04:49 pm
Hadn't heard that about Lena Dunham in that regard. Where'd you get the info?

She wrote about it in her own memoir: Not That Kind of Girl.

Right, I heard about the stuff she did as a young kid from her memoir. I'm just wondering if the stuff stated as a 17-year-old is from the same place (and if so, where within the book) or if it was a secondary source.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 15, 2015, 06:23:49 pm
Quote from: Second Coming of Madman on June 15, 2015, 05:37:24 pm
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What is catharsis?

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2. Catharsis:

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the purging of the emotions or relieving of emotional tensions, especially through certain kinds of art, as tragedy or music.

(From Dictionary.com)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 15, 2015, 06:57:46 pm
From Stone's HuffPo post
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Admittedly, Dunham writes about another experience with her little sister in which she tried to bribe her with candy and tried "anything a sexual predator might do to woo a small suburban girl." While this is a joke in poor taste, and has been criticized as demonstrative of Dunham's privilege, it's a joke made precisely because she wasn't a sexual predator -- she was a little girl.

So, do I need to buy Dunham's book to read the part where she did this continuously until she was 17 and masturbated in bed after coercing her little sister into it with her? I just went to the Amazon page about it and found out from reader reviews that I maybe can save spending 13 bucks for a kindle version (fucking seriously, a dollar less than hardcover - market ebooks better someday, please world?).

(amazon review)
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This is the first review I've ever felt the need to write. I first heard of this book due to it's recent controversy. I wasn't entirely interested in it at that point, though it did sound as though the author did some terrible things. My husband and I recently became obsessed with Lena's show Girls. I decided to give her a chance and read the book for myself. Anyone who thinks that this book is evidence of child molestation needs to SERIOUSLY WORK ON YOUR COMPREHENSION SKILLS. After reading this, I could not believe that this was the same book that caused so much outrage. I even read the parts involving Lena's sister multiple times, making sure I did not miss something. I loved this book, and I love Lena Dunham.

But hey, UP if you can find a free accurate excerpt from Dunham's book where she's going on about fucking and fucking up her little sister, that would be a great service to us all reading the thread here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 15, 2015, 07:11:17 pm
Quote from: dpareja on June 15, 2015, 01:33:01 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 15, 2015, 12:00:21 am
There's somebody on tumblr who's claiming that Chris Pratt's fake tan in Jurassic World qualifies as "brown face".  They've also apparently gone on about "invisible illness privilege" which I can only assume means "mental illnesses that aren't physically apparent".  I'm guessing they're comparing it to "white passing".

If there's any privilege in having an "invisible illness," I'm sure as fuck not seeing it. If anything, it makes it worse, because people expect you to act normally since you look normal, and are even more put out when you don't because, well, you aren't normal.


Tumblr in general takes this super romantic version of illness that just irritates me.  They take something that's devastating and pass it off like it's the best thing possible to happen to a person.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 15, 2015, 10:24:19 pm
Quote from: guizonde on June 15, 2015, 09:17:58 am
Quote from: dpareja on June 15, 2015, 01:33:01 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 15, 2015, 12:00:21 am
There's somebody on tumblr who's claiming that Chris Pratt's fake tan in Jurassic World qualifies as "brown face".  They've also apparently gone on about "invisible illness privilege" which I can only assume means "mental illnesses that aren't physically apparent".  I'm guessing they're comparing it to "white passing".

If there's any privilege in having an "invisible illness," I'm sure as fuck not seeing it. If anything, it makes it worse, because people expect you to act normally since you look normal, and are even more put out when you don't because, well, you aren't normal.

i'd like to see that person try to live with a personnality disorder. i'll gladly give them my paranoid psychosis and see how they cope with it. it's not a privilege, it's a major handicap that i'm forced to live with (most likely) until i die. i don't brag about it because it makes me sound like a serial killer in the minds of laymen. trust me, you don't want to have those.

The person involved does have a personality disorder. Their comment about invisible disability was about their own bipolar disorder (http://maliciastarling.tumblr.com/post/121542912197/why-is-bipolar-disorder-on-your-list-of).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 15, 2015, 10:45:30 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 15, 2015, 10:24:19 pm
Quote from: guizonde on June 15, 2015, 09:17:58 am
Quote from: dpareja on June 15, 2015, 01:33:01 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on June 15, 2015, 12:00:21 am
There's somebody on tumblr who's claiming that Chris Pratt's fake tan in Jurassic World qualifies as "brown face".  They've also apparently gone on about "invisible illness privilege" which I can only assume means "mental illnesses that aren't physically apparent".  I'm guessing they're comparing it to "white passing".

If there's any privilege in having an "invisible illness," I'm sure as fuck not seeing it. If anything, it makes it worse, because people expect you to act normally since you look normal, and are even more put out when you don't because, well, you aren't normal.

i'd like to see that person try to live with a personnality disorder. i'll gladly give them my paranoid psychosis and see how they cope with it. it's not a privilege, it's a major handicap that i'm forced to live with (most likely) until i die. i don't brag about it because it makes me sound like a serial killer in the minds of laymen. trust me, you don't want to have those.

The person involved does have a personality disorder. Their comment about invisible disability was about their own bipolar disorder (http://maliciastarling.tumblr.com/post/121542912197/why-is-bipolar-disorder-on-your-list-of).

are you kidding me? she's complaining that she's "privileged" to have bipo? instead of what? a leg blown off? what kind of twisted world does this loony live in? it's tough enough to hide it and live with it, no need to wear a friggin' t-shirt saying "i'm mentally disabled, loathe me".


... this may be a sore spot for me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 15, 2015, 11:01:20 pm
*shrug* Experiences vary. I can understand someone thinking that the invisibility of their mental illness is a privilege because they don't have to deal with people assuming they are [insert stereotype here]. I can also understand someone else with different experiences disagreeing.

Part of the problems of the privilege model is that it focus on overall societal status over individual experiences. It would be fucked up if she said that everyone with bipolar/"invisible disability" is privileged. It's less so if she's talking about her own experiences. I mean, surely she has that right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 15, 2015, 11:13:26 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 15, 2015, 11:01:20 pm
*shrug* Experiences vary. I can understand someone thinking that the invisibility of their mental illness is a privilege because they don't have to deal with people assuming they are [insert stereotype here]. I can also understand someone else with different experiences disagreeing.

Part of the problems of the privilege model is that it focus on overall societal status over individual experiences. It would be fucked up if she said that everyone with bipolar/"invisible disability" is privileged. It's less so if she's talking about her own experiences. I mean, surely she has that right?

i've seen two cases in the past. when i was (kinda wrongly) diagnosed with chronic depression, people either romanticized it ("oooh, that's a musician's muse, you must be so creative") or told me to suck it up because "it's not a real disease, like cancer". now that my original diagnosis has been revised into paranoid hallucinatory psychosis (which does have chronic depression as a frequent side-effect), people are scared of me or don't trust me, thinking i could be a serial killer or outwardly violent. i'm not towards others.

in either case, i'm just fine hiding it. i get on with my life, take my antipsychotics, and try to the best possible. the only reason i'm posting it publicly is because you've never seen me, and that's perfect. you know my train of thought, but not my face.

maybe the op has that right to view bipo as being better than being physically handicapped, but in no way should it be romanticized or worse, considered a privilege. it's a curse with no sure-fire cure. i'm resigned to the fact that if i stop taking my pills, my life will go haywire again. in practice, it's like having high blood pressure. but psychologically, it's a hell of a burden to bear. it's not fun, it's not cool, and i really wish tumblrinas would quit fantasizing about having all the mental illnesses.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2015, 08:25:26 am
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"People born with penises are better than people born with vaginas."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 16, 2015, 09:42:45 am
Gotta love horseshoe theory.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2015, 02:04:29 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2dw71qu.jpg)

WTF?  Narcissists, real ones, don't feel guilty.  They become enraged that a pathetic mortal just tried to argue with them.

Therefore, this moron is not a narcissist.  If they think they are, that probably just means they're regular old, normal arrogant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 16, 2015, 03:00:52 pm
It's the new internet trend. Claim you're mentally ill because you took a quiz on webmd and then say it gives you an excuse to be an asshole. If anyone calls you out just get mad at them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 16, 2015, 04:17:24 pm
You'd be amazed how many self-proclaimed APD / sociopaths on Tumblr claim something triggered them or whatever - similarly, to the above, these people claiming something is "hurtful".

To them mental illness or problems are not something you deal with on a day to day basis. They're an excuse to get away with something. They don't like unpleasantness. They don't like problems. They're nothing but piss-babies who think their feelings and need for comfort and safety trump absolutely everything else.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 16, 2015, 05:24:00 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 16, 2015, 04:17:24 pm
You'd be amazed how many self-proclaimed APD / sociopaths on Tumblr claim something triggered them or whatever - similarly, to the above, these people claiming something is "hurtful".

To them mental illness or problems are not something you deal with on a day to day basis. They're an excuse to get away with something. They don't like unpleasantness. They don't like problems. They're nothing but piss-babies who think their feelings and need for comfort and safety trump absolutely everything else.

that's basically what i said... mental illness is not a walk in the park.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2015, 05:32:23 pm
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When “White People” tan or darken their skin, it’s absolutely culture appropriation. Let’s use Kim Kardashian for example, she’s a stale, pale, white girl but she has become a multi-millionaire by pretending to be a woman of color by darkening her skin, surgically enhancing her body to that of a woman of color, darkening her hair, and she’s even went so far as to have a black baby.

Kim Kardashian wouldn’t be who she is today if she had continued to be the random white friend of Paris Hilton. No, Kim needed a meal ticket, and she found it on the backs of ignorant black rappers, athletes, entertainers, and fans.

To this day there are millions of people who still don’t know that the Kardashian’s are white people.

A Black, Arab, Latino, Asian, or Indigenous woman with a real body and no talent will NEVER have the overwhelmingly prosperous opportunities that Kim Kardashian’s white privilege has afforded her while pretending to be a person of color. White people hate black people, but love black culture and white people will continue to kill and denigrate black people while appropriating black culture. 

I would expound more and go into the whole Rachel Dolezal tanning, but I got shit to do; and I’m very short on time today.

Curves in Color keeps raising the bar when it comes to idiocy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on June 16, 2015, 07:48:31 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on June 16, 2015, 10:59:27 pm
Yeah, except I'm tan because I'm outside working. Something I could [/]have hired Mexicans to do but did myself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 16, 2015, 11:29:17 pm
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Kim Kardashian wouldn’t be who she is today if she had continued to be the random white friend of Paris Hilton. No, Kim needed a meal ticket, and she found it on the backs of ignorant black rappers, athletes, entertainers, and fans.
So basically, Kim Kardashian is popular because black people are stupid. As I said before.
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 16, 2015, 09:42:45 am
Gotta love horseshoe theory.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 16, 2015, 11:34:18 pm
just went on her tumblr. oh my.... a racist sexist, who so totally misses the point she doesn't get how horrible she sounds. shocking, really...

eta: this is going too far.

(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/arRpej5_700b_v3.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 17, 2015, 09:24:29 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2pt9ohv.jpg)

May 7, 1945: Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies and the war in Europe comes to an end.  The war against Japan still continues on.

July 16, 1945: The Trinity test, where the US Army successfully detonates its first nuclear bomb as part of the Manhattan Project.

And if you think we went easy on Germany, look up the Bombing of Dresden.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on June 17, 2015, 09:26:55 am
Dresden got it pretty bad. As did Berlin. And London. At least she kept the N word (Nazi) off that little whatever that is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 17, 2015, 09:31:29 am
Quote from: Mackenzie King
We can now see what might have come to the British race had German scientists won the race. It is fortunate that the use of the bomb should have been upon the Japanese rather than upon the white races of Europe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 17, 2015, 09:41:41 am
Since when did anyone drop an H-bomb on Japan? I'm pretty certain they were both fission bombs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 17, 2015, 09:49:03 am
Quote from: dpareja on June 17, 2015, 09:31:29 am
Quote from: Mackenzie King
We can now see what might have come to the British race had German scientists won the race. It is fortunate that the use of the bomb should have been upon the Japanese rather than upon the white races of Europe.

since when is british a race? oh, and while i'm at it, since when is dropping an atom bomb a good thing? europe suffered enough during the war, be it south england, germany, northern france, italy, poland, spain (in '36), and that's just off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 17, 2015, 10:07:28 am
Quote from: guizonde on June 17, 2015, 09:49:03 am
Quote from: dpareja on June 17, 2015, 09:31:29 am
Quote from: Mackenzie King
We can now see what might have come to the British race had German scientists won the race. It is fortunate that the use of the bomb should have been upon the Japanese rather than upon the white races of Europe.

since when is british a race? oh, and while i'm at it, since when is dropping an atom bomb a good thing? europe suffered enough during the war, be it south england, germany, northern france, italy, poland, spain (in '36), and that's just off the top of my head.

Mackenzie King was a racist nutjob.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 17, 2015, 10:55:49 am
Quote from: dpareja on June 17, 2015, 10:07:28 am
Quote from: guizonde on June 17, 2015, 09:49:03 am
Quote from: dpareja on June 17, 2015, 09:31:29 am
Quote from: Mackenzie King
We can now see what might have come to the British race had German scientists won the race. It is fortunate that the use of the bomb should have been upon the Japanese rather than upon the white races of Europe.

since when is british a race? oh, and while i'm at it, since when is dropping an atom bomb a good thing? europe suffered enough during the war, be it south england, germany, northern france, italy, poland, spain (in '36), and that's just off the top of my head.

Mackenzie King was a racist nutjob.

i nominate dpareja for the "understatement of the week" award.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 18, 2015, 09:57:16 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/sf9m54.jpg)

It's hilarious when the same people who claim to want to help women completely erase female sexuality.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 18, 2015, 10:30:05 am
Truly. And when you think about it, a woman quite literally has hold of a man by his most vulnerable parts during consensual coitus. He has ALL the power? Well, maybe he might be doing more of the mutual exertion, but seriously that OP needs to pick up the dropped mic and return it to the store.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 18, 2015, 11:21:05 am
Really?  All penetrative, hetero sex is rape cause it gives "power" to the male?

Ironbite-there's some porn OP should go see.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2015, 08:47:49 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/14n027d.jpg)

You know what's funny?  How people like this moron will say that things like clothes aren't gendered but then when a man wears anything remotely feminine, he must be a trans woman.  Dammit, you can't break down gender roles and stereotypes by reinforcing them!

By the way, that's not a skirt, it's a tunic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 19, 2015, 09:11:02 am
Kilts are skirts, aprons are skirts, tunics are skirts, and skirts are dresses.

(Plus, if Ultima Online has taught me anything, its that killing someone with a halberd while wearing a hot pink skirt is the epitome of manliness.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 20, 2015, 05:06:55 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2mpcv2h.jpg)

I just had to make sure this was real.  Lo and behold, it was:

https://archive.is/xDTV3 (https://archive.is/xDTV3)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 20, 2015, 06:37:04 pm
That's, like, one of her least offensive tweets, man.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 20, 2015, 08:32:48 pm
I think that Ultie is a wee bit obsessed with Anita in a kinda creepy stalker kind of way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 20, 2015, 08:55:11 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 20, 2015, 08:32:48 pm
I think that Ultie is a wee bit obsessed with Anita in a kinda creepy stalker kind of way.

What a world we live in.  Make fun of stupid tweets, and suddenly you're the next Robert John Bardo.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 20, 2015, 10:35:23 pm
Cept, it wasn't all that stupid.  Anita's said plenty of dumb shit, but that ain't much of an instance of it.  The only bone of contention is the "leap to an exclusively female lead," but given current trends in gaming, an exclusively female lead (as in, she doesn't share the spotlight with a male lead) would be a pretty big jump, from my experience.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 20, 2015, 10:45:54 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 20, 2015, 10:35:23 pm
Cept, it wasn't all that stupid.  Anita's said plenty of dumb shit, but that ain't much of an instance of it.  The only bone of contention is the "leap to an exclusively female lead," but given current trends in gaming, an exclusively female lead (as in, she doesn't share the spotlight with a male lead) would be a pretty big jump, from my experience.

There are two things wrong with that.

1. Anita claims she's all about equality, so this statement flies in the face of that.  You'd think she'd celebrate a game giving the option to play as a woman.  This just comes off as being sexist against men.

2. There are plenty of games with exclusively female protagonists.  Metroid, Tomb Raider, Portal, Okami, and Beyond Good and Evil just off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 20, 2015, 11:04:45 pm
Wait. If it's sexist against men for Sarkeesian to want a game with an exclusively female protagonist*, does that mean that every single game with an exclusively male protagonist is sexist against women and thus Sarkeesian was right all along that there is a huge amount of sexism in videogames?


*I think it's dumb, certainly, but not sexist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 20, 2015, 11:06:48 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 20, 2015, 11:04:45 pm
Wait. If it's sexist against men for Sarkeesian to want a game with an exclusively female protagonist*, does that mean that every single game with an exclusively male protagonist is sexist against women and thus Sarkeesian was right all along that there is a huge amount of sexism in videogames?


*I think it's dumb, certainly, but not sexist.

Having a game with exclusively male or female protagonists isn't necessarily sexist in itself.  Complaining about gender inclusivity without good reason, on the other hand...

In fact, let's change things around.  Imagine some guy bitching and moaning about a game giving you the option to play as a woman.  What would you think of him?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 20, 2015, 11:46:37 pm
Without knowing why he objects, I don't know if he's being sexist or just stupid. Same as Sarkeesian.

I think Sarkeesian's point is something to the effect that there are too many games with male protagonists and some balance is needed. Or something. I don't claim to be able to read her mind, this is just a guess. Assuming that is her reasoning, I don't think it's sexist. I don't agree with it, either, but for reasons independent of sexism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on June 21, 2015, 12:08:08 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 20, 2015, 11:06:48 pm
Complaining about gender inclusivity without good reason, on the other hand...

Anita's not the one making a big deal out of something trivial.

Maybe UP meant for his post to be self-demonstrating worst-of-social-justice?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on June 21, 2015, 01:18:30 am
I feel rather uncomfortable about mocking Anita after the crap she got.  She may have said some dumb or hyperbolic things but when someone 's gotten that level of abuse making a big deal about a tweet where she says she wanted a video game to have a female protagonist comes off as a false equivalence.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 21, 2015, 11:49:54 am
Quote from: Skybison on June 21, 2015, 01:18:30 am
I feel rather uncomfortable about mocking Anita after the crap she got.  She may have said some dumb or hyperbolic things but when someone 's gotten that level of abuse making a big deal about a tweet where she says she wanted a video game to have a female protagonist comes off as a false equivalence.

Does Anita deserve harassment?  No.  But she does deserve mockery and criticism.  Her comments at E3 basically revealed her to be Jack Thompson 2: Electric Boogaloo.  And even before that, she'd proven herself to be a liar.

Don't believe me?  Have some video evidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1qmh3zHlo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-69xXD734

She's also a thief, stealing footage and artwork for use in her video series:

http://victorsopinion.blogspot.com/2013/07/anitas-sources.html (http://victorsopinion.blogspot.com/2013/07/anitas-sources.html)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 21, 2015, 02:12:22 pm
You really want A.S. to become irrelevant and forgotten, UP? Then quit posting so much shit about her. You and all the other people who obsess about her just keep her video and blogs views up in the stratosphere. Find some other webtard celebrity to squeeze one out to...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 21, 2015, 03:45:46 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on June 21, 2015, 02:12:22 pm
You really want A.S. to become irrelevant and forgotten, UP? Then quit posting so much shit about her. You and all the other people who obsess about her just keep her video and blogs views up in the stratosphere. Find some other webtard celebrity to squeeze one out to...

I guess you have a point.  But here's my question: what about her admirers and supporters?  Don't they bear some of the responsibility?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 21, 2015, 04:37:22 pm
No. People are free to like and admire whatever they want.

You cannot tell them not to admire A.S. any more than they can tell you not to like Doom.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 21, 2015, 05:36:40 pm
You want her to go away?  Stop retweeting her, pointing out when she drops a video, or just does anything.  She craves this attention.  Best way to ignore her is to literally ignore her.  Don't argue with her, don't debate her, just drop her.  She wouldn't even have the following she has if you people didn't get so fucking hot under the collar when she pointed out that your little hobby has issues that every other form of media has.

Ironbite-and no, her fans don't have any responsibility to not watch her shit. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 21, 2015, 05:44:50 pm
Quote from: ironbite on June 21, 2015, 05:36:40 pm
You want her to go away?  Stop retweeting her, pointing out when she drops a video, or just does anything.  She craves this attention.  Best way to ignore her is to literally ignore her.  Don't argue with her, don't debate her, just drop her.  She wouldn't even have the following she has if you people didn't get so fucking hot under the collar when she pointed out that your little hobby has issues that every other form of media has.

Ironbite-and no, her fans don't have any responsibility to not watch her shit.

But they do put her on a pedestal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on June 21, 2015, 05:51:03 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 21, 2015, 05:44:50 pm
Quote from: ironbite on June 21, 2015, 05:36:40 pm
You want her to go away?  Stop retweeting her, pointing out when she drops a video, or just does anything.  She craves this attention.  Best way to ignore her is to literally ignore her.  Don't argue with her, don't debate her, just drop her.  She wouldn't even have the following she has if you people didn't get so fucking hot under the collar when she pointed out that your little hobby has issues that every other form of media has.

Ironbite-and no, her fans don't have any responsibility to not watch her shit.

But they do put her on a pedestal.
So? I know people who put Stephanie Meyer on a pedestal, but I'm capable of leaving them be. We get that you hate Anita. You've said your piece. Nobody cares.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on June 21, 2015, 06:05:28 pm
For fuck's sake, people, are you still on about this shit? You were having the same arguments when I had to leave, all the way back in February. Drop the gods bedamned subject, UP. Please.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 21, 2015, 06:06:12 pm
Okay, let's talk about this somewhere else.

Back to the subject at hand, idiots praising Robert Mugabe's anti-white policies.

https://archive.is/PqBUp (https://archive.is/PqBUp)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 21, 2015, 09:30:40 pm
Ohgod, anyone with half a brain can tell the only reason he bitches about white people is to distract his people from the fact he leads a failing and corrupt economic system.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on June 22, 2015, 05:28:57 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 21, 2015, 06:06:12 pm
Okay, let's talk about this somewhere else.

Back to the subject at hand, idiots praising Robert Mugabe's anti-white policies.

https://archive.is/PqBUp (https://archive.is/PqBUp)

Love that photo. It makes him look like a barely lucid frothing at the mouth madman. In all fairness he might be one, but I strongly suspect that Mugabe is a true believer. He seems to honestly believe the stuff he spews, including the crazy economic policies he enacts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 22, 2015, 05:02:50 pm
Quote
1.World is at peace
2.Indus people invent writing, do great math
3.Native Americans get hella advanced
4.Africa has great medicine
5.Persians are amazing artists
6.Mongolia is scary powerful
7.Et cetera
8.Greece gets very racist and oppressive in general for just no reason
9.Rome ruins themselves; why
10.White people oppress themselves for 1000 years (Why?????)
11.White people fight feudalism
12.White people pat themselves on the back for not shitting on each other
13.White people get out of control
14.White people go to Congo and ruin everything
15.White people go to China and ruin everything
16.White people go to Congo again and ruin everything again
17.White people go everywhere and ruin everything
18.Mongolia stays strong through all of this; you go Mongolia
19.White people export homophobia, racism, transphobia, ableism
20.White people steal four continents
21.White people force capitalism upon the world
22.White people kill people everywhere
23.White people threaten each other all the time
24.White people drag everyone into huge wars
25.White people pretend to promote democracy
26.White people really just promote capitalism and militarized imperialism
27.White people cause global warming
28.White people continue to support systemic racism, imperialism, slavery
29.White people pretend nothing is their fault
30.Why

It's ironic that even as this moron complains about racism, they are themselves subscribing to an incredibly Eurocentric view of history.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on June 22, 2015, 06:09:19 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 20, 2015, 05:06:55 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2mpcv2h.jpg)

I just had to make sure this was real.  Lo and behold, it was:

https://archive.is/xDTV3 (https://archive.is/xDTV3)

THAT BITCH. SHE CRAY!

AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, LET'S HATE ON NOTORIOUS RBG FOR WANTING 9 WOMEN ON SCOTUS!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on June 22, 2015, 06:51:55 pm
This idea that all non-white Nations lived in peace and harmony before Europeans came around is completely stupid.
 The Ottoman Empire is a good example of this. The Native Americans also battled each other before Europeans arrived. I found an interesting article on the subject that explains their war customs:

Quote
Before the European influence on the tribe these tribal conflicts were usually very small. The goal was to ambush and surprise the other tribe and was led by a war chief. The war chief would lead small parties of five or six warriors to ambush rival Indians and take captives. This also provided them the opportunity to avoid large battles and a quick retreat if necessary. Native Americans believed that if they died a violent death their spirit would wander the afterlife looking for vengeance instead of joining the rest of the dead tribal members. This led them to be very prone to retreating if over-matched.

 Although most conflicts were small the war chief would occasionally lead a large party of over 100 warriors to attack a large territory. Even with a larger force they would still try to surprise a small portion of the tribe and kill them or take captives. They were not interested in taking over the rival territory or destroying all of their members rather just seek an equal vengeance on what the rival tribe had done to them.

https://amin210.wikispaces.com/Native+American+Warfare


Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 22, 2015, 08:36:32 pm
Hell, fucking China, pretty much the God Emperor of the Far East was still an oppressive, sexist, xenophobic shithole for hundreds of years before the Roman Empire was even a thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on June 22, 2015, 08:54:19 pm
This was actually a conversation I had a long while ago with a friend from Tumblr where I basically explained that no white people aren't the only ones who've fucked over people or done bad shit China had that down pat for a long time and so did the various Islamic Empires. Was an interesting thing on the bright side she learned to not reblog those since it was wrong on most accounts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 22, 2015, 08:57:43 pm
Funny how the Mongolians are praised for conquering anything and everything they can, but it suddenly becomes a bad thing when white people do it. Not to mention saying white people "oppressed each other" while ignoring the Aztecs and Mayans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 22, 2015, 09:13:01 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 22, 2015, 05:02:50 pm
Quote
1.World is at peace
2.Indus people invent writing, do great math
3.Native Americans get hella advanced
4.Africa has great medicine
5.Persians are amazing artists
6.Mongolia is scary powerful
7.Et cetera
8.Greece gets very racist and oppressive in general for just no reason
9.Rome ruins themselves; why
10.White people oppress themselves for 1000 years (Why?????)
11.White people fight feudalism
12.White people pat themselves on the back for not shitting on each other
13.White people get out of control
14.White people go to Congo and ruin everything
15.White people go to China and ruin everything
16.White people go to Congo again and ruin everything again
17.White people go everywhere and ruin everything
18.Mongolia stays strong through all of this; you go Mongolia
19.White people export homophobia, racism, transphobia, ableism
20.White people steal four continents
21.White people force capitalism upon the world
22.White people kill people everywhere
23.White people threaten each other all the time
24.White people drag everyone into huge wars
25.White people pretend to promote democracy
26.White people really just promote capitalism and militarized imperialism
27.White people cause global warming
28.White people continue to support systemic racism, imperialism, slavery
29.White people pretend nothing is their fault
30.Why

It's ironic that even as this moron complains about racism, they are themselves subscribing to an incredibly Eurocentric view of history.

It's ironic, but it's also symptomatic the problems with racism? The average Tumblr user is more likely to know about European and post-Colombus American history, which means they also know the horrible parts of it. If all they learn about non-European history is random posts on how "contrary to what The System wants you to think, Africa was awesome until Europeans got there!!!", of course they are going to get a skewed view of it (with the help of a generous dose of biased interpretation).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 23, 2015, 08:28:32 am
what this thread boils down to.

(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aVXQ4zv_700b_v2.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 23, 2015, 04:30:17 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/jj75he.jpg)

J. K. Rowling confirmed Dumbledore was gay because one of the scriptwriters for the sixth movie wanted him to talk about an ex-girlfriend.  I find it very dubious that she'd let one of the three main characters be cast as the wrong race.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on June 23, 2015, 11:52:13 pm
UP, how much control did she have over the movie though? If the studio really wanted Ben Affleck to play Tumbledork or whatever his name was, I'm pretty sure that's who would have played 'em.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 23, 2015, 11:59:35 pm
In the books, she always specified when a character wasn't white, so chances are this is just a load of Tumblrina nonsense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 25, 2015, 12:04:06 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/69j2ig.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on June 25, 2015, 12:41:51 am
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ykrwSUuRmAy1Ko2sH0GJBrKfICGHL-tYihvi2p5CjY-aAul0p_OeS6JFpyMw4PIgd_PDCiS2pcq9qmJ7z21stDPv=s322)
Ridiculous made-up asexual-spectrum orientations are the new ridiculous made-up genders. Also, I need a fucking drink.

EDIT: And now for something completely different:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xPVLWY_iqzN90rAfot__dKMdRPjEhsYISqoOvRjLyZl3zBOropq63EFHxC5YzoCMKVvkddNriZYjfsrr4qp0dp5qMw=s0-c)
An employer who wants their employees to show up on time is totally discrimination against poor people, guys! Ugh, make it a double.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on June 25, 2015, 01:21:09 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 25, 2015, 12:04:06 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/69j2ig.jpg)
I think this could be Things People say as the implication could be "Jews are pigs."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 25, 2015, 02:15:36 am
Quote from: I am lizard on June 25, 2015, 01:21:09 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 25, 2015, 12:04:06 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/69j2ig.jpg)
I think this could be Things People say as the implication could be "Jews are pigs."
Nah, you are looking at this from the wrong direction this is PETA level animal rights movement stuff. PETA itself has had several campaigns where the Holocaust has been compared to farming and meat production.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 25, 2015, 04:32:02 am
Ingrid Newkirk loves all living things equally.

And thus, every living thing is equally worthless to her.

It is a sort of particularly disturbed nihilism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 25, 2015, 08:25:07 am
Quote from: Ghoti on June 25, 2015, 12:41:51 am
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ykrwSUuRmAy1Ko2sH0GJBrKfICGHL-tYihvi2p5CjY-aAul0p_OeS6JFpyMw4PIgd_PDCiS2pcq9qmJ7z21stDPv=s322)
Ridiculous made-up asexual-spectrum orientations are the new ridiculous made-up genders. Also, I need a fucking drink.

EDIT: And now for something completely different:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xPVLWY_iqzN90rAfot__dKMdRPjEhsYISqoOvRjLyZl3zBOropq63EFHxC5YzoCMKVvkddNriZYjfsrr4qp0dp5qMw=s0-c)
An employer who wants their employees to show up on time is totally discrimination against poor people, guys! Ugh, make it a double.

i thought there were two kinds of aces? aces of hearts (romantic, but no sex drive) and aces of spades (asexual aromantic) (also, metal as fuck). these talk about acting on sex drives even if it's not reciprocated. sounds rapey.

@lizard, it's not "jews are pigs", it's "pigs are jews going to the slaughter". animal rights activists need to get their eyesight checked.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 25, 2015, 12:03:52 pm
Quote
EDIT: And now for something completely different:

An employer who wants their employees to show up on time is totally discrimination against poor people, guys! Ugh, make it a double.
If the job requires a car to travel to various places during the work shift to perform the work, that's legit. If the job is to work in the same place every day, it's bullshit. Public transport tends to be more reliable than an average car, especially if you live where buses run their routes more than once per hour.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 25, 2015, 12:14:27 pm
also, isn't "abrosexual" basically being pansexual? being capable of attraction towards anyone?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 25, 2015, 02:24:41 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/rwnbm1.jpg)

What?

MISANDRIST is evolving!

Congratulations! your MISANDRIST evolved into MISANTHROPE!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 25, 2015, 03:45:17 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 25, 2015, 02:24:41 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/rwnbm1.jpg)

you first, bitch.

also, anti-misandry is misogyny. and by hating women, she qualifies as one. saying she's a misanthrope is true, but you can't throw her into a violent rage unless you paradox her into a ball of fire. she's gone full circle.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on June 25, 2015, 05:01:13 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 25, 2015, 02:24:41 pm
(click to show/hide)

What?

MISANDRIST is evolving!

Congratulations! your MISANDRIST evolved into MISANTHROPE!

> r/thathappened
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 25, 2015, 09:21:45 pm
Quote from: guizonde on June 25, 2015, 08:25:07 am
Quote from: Ghoti on June 25, 2015, 12:41:51 am
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ykrwSUuRmAy1Ko2sH0GJBrKfICGHL-tYihvi2p5CjY-aAul0p_OeS6JFpyMw4PIgd_PDCiS2pcq9qmJ7z21stDPv=s322)
Ridiculous made-up asexual-spectrum orientations are the new ridiculous made-up genders. Also, I need a fucking drink.

EDIT: And now for something completely different:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xPVLWY_iqzN90rAfot__dKMdRPjEhsYISqoOvRjLyZl3zBOropq63EFHxC5YzoCMKVvkddNriZYjfsrr4qp0dp5qMw=s0-c)
An employer who wants their employees to show up on time is totally discrimination against poor people, guys! Ugh, make it a double.

i thought there were two kinds of aces? aces of hearts (romantic, but no sex drive) and aces of spades (asexual aromantic) (also, metal as fuck). these talk about acting on sex drives even if it's not reciprocated. sounds rapey.

@lizard, it's not "jews are pigs", it's "pigs are jews going to the slaughter". animal rights activists need to get their eyesight checked.

Asexual and aromantic are independent I think? You can be one, the other, both or neither.

Anyway, I don't really see the big deal with having infinitely-fine-grained variations of asexual. I don't see the point in having a word for each, but I don't really care if they want one. Making up words and playing with Greek roots is fun.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 25, 2015, 10:07:24 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/20sdu7b.jpg)

Is there a term for the female equivalent of a neckbeard?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 26, 2015, 12:05:49 am
Notice how they only want guys that look like Zac Efron and the Winchester Boys to approach them.

For people who rave about body acceptance, they sure hate other fat people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on June 26, 2015, 10:20:45 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 25, 2015, 10:07:24 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/20sdu7b.jpg)

Is there a term for the female equivalent of a neckbeard?

Wait a minute. I've seen this before. Give me a second. I've seen before the line of thought that goes I'm a pretty decent looking person. And I've got one hell of a god personality. Those who don't find me attractive are stupid. Why does that sound so familiar? Maybe if she were wearing a fedora in her profile pic it would help me place that line of thought.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 26, 2015, 05:20:07 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/bjfhjk.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 26, 2015, 05:25:19 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 26, 2015, 05:20:07 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/bjfhjk.jpg)

ABLEIST? How the hell is that ableist?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on June 26, 2015, 05:28:13 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 26, 2015, 05:20:07 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/bjfhjk.jpg)

That's gotta be sarcasm, facetiousness, or some other form of joking, right? Right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Id82 on June 26, 2015, 05:50:55 pm
doesn't a tumbler look for any reason to be insulted by someone's post?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on June 26, 2015, 06:50:52 pm
Quote from: Svata on June 26, 2015, 05:28:13 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 26, 2015, 05:20:07 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/bjfhjk.jpg)

That's gotta be sarcasm, facetiousness, or some other form of joking, right? Right?

it's ableist towards those who are single and friendless? or perhaps it's heteronormative and discriminating against polyamorists? i'm on the op's side, i always strive to be friends before lovers in a relationship.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 27, 2015, 12:21:01 am
Presumably ableist against people who have trouble making multiple friends?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 27, 2015, 11:05:18 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2me3bxy.jpg)

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/jt9x5d.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 27, 2015, 11:06:35 am
Saw it comin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 27, 2015, 11:28:50 am
I was once scammed while camping, so "content" triggers me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 27, 2015, 12:10:10 pm
Printed words like "content" have two definitions and two pronunciations and are elitist, shitlord!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 27, 2015, 03:46:17 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 27, 2015, 11:05:18 am
*muh triggers*

(http://i.imgur.com/LUlUSNU.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 27, 2015, 04:29:15 pm
YOUR LAUGHING TRIGGERS ME, BECAUSE I AM AFRAID OF PEOPLE LAUGHING AT ME! SHITLORDS SHITLORDS SHITLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 27, 2015, 04:34:31 pm
YOU TRIGGERED MY TRAP CARD!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 27, 2015, 04:54:25 pm
Quote from: ironbite on June 27, 2015, 04:34:31 pm
YOU TRIGGERED MY TRAP CARD!

I take offence to that!

Proper terminology establishes that you can't trigger a card, you can only trigger a Trigger or Trigger-like Effect. The latter if it's a trap card, of course, since Trigger Effects are specifically for monster cards.


On topic: I prefer content warning to trigger warning, because trigger warning has the implications of being about PTSD, and people can not want to read stuff about specific subjects for any number of reasons.

Also because people are assholes about trigger warnings for some reason.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on June 27, 2015, 06:38:03 pm
Congratulations, this entire page of the thread has me laughing so hard my face hurts.  Thank you, guys.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 27, 2015, 06:57:55 pm
TRIGGER ME, MOTHAFUCKA AND SEE WHERE IT GO
I HIT SO HARD YOUR FACE'LL...LOOK LIKE SNOW
SO HERE WE GOOOOOO
YOU TRIGGER TRIGGER TRIGGER ME
BADA BADA BADA BEE
YOU TRIGGER TRIGGER TRIGGER ME
YOU'LL FALL ON YO ASS AND SAY WOW WEE

...thoughts on my attempt at rap?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 27, 2015, 06:59:51 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 27, 2015, 06:57:55 pm
TRIGGER ME, MOTHAFUCKA AND SEE WHERE IT GO
I HIT SO HARD YOUR FACE'LL...LOOK LIKE SNOW
SO HERE WE GOOOOOO
YOU TRIGGER TRIGGER TRIGGER ME
BADA BADA BADA BEE
YOU TRIGGER TRIGGER TRIGGER ME
YOU'LL FALL ON YO ASS AND SAY WOW WEE

...thoughts on my attempt at rap?

I'd need to actually hear it to judge it, but I'm sure you're at least better than Soulja Boy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 28, 2015, 09:30:55 am
And now idiots are freaking out because Obama ejected a heckler who happened to be a Latina transwoman:

https://archive.is/J4aQZ (https://archive.is/J4aQZ)

The incident in question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLorBGKNMmM
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 28, 2015, 09:59:39 am
"WAS THE MIDDLE OF MY SENTENCE INTERRUPTING THE BEGINNING OF YOURS!"

Those meetings with the media follow certain rules and conventions. Obama (or whoever is talking) let's people ask him questions and decides which of them he answers. (Are these rigged with people asking the question he wants to answer so that he can avoid the awkward ones? Most definitely.) When she kept interrupting him and refused to stop it, despite getting numerous chances to do so, she became a nuisance.

Did she have a point? Sure. Could she have gotten her chance to speak if she had followed the conventions? Much more likely. At least Obama was diplomatic. He kept calm and gave her a chance to back off. She didn't take it and when there were no easier options Obama had her removed. Unless someone reveals that the SS beat her up behind the corner and dumped her in the sea it looks like Obama handled it well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 28, 2015, 10:37:45 am
She did her thing as she had to. Classic political protest, not a "heckler" incident. She knew she would get kicked out, and most importantly, knew what she was saying about unfair deportations would be reported in the press and heard in the video. I found it kind of sad that people in the room were "shushing" her, supposedly her fellow LGBTQ activists. What she did was very brave in the face of all that. Under Obama's and the Republican-dominated Congress' tenure we have seen record deportations and other bad actions in re immigration, and things are vastly more difficult for LGBTQ immigrants.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cataclysm on June 28, 2015, 04:13:02 pm
(https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/11696533_1082903865071136_5899858131064999381_o.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 28, 2015, 07:54:18 pm
Found this on Kiwi.

(http://i.imgur.com/JkHYeq2.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 28, 2015, 08:12:34 pm
Do those third and fourth lines actually mean anything?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 28, 2015, 08:46:51 pm
So we're right back to hating the gays. Ah, gotta love Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 28, 2015, 08:48:59 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 28, 2015, 08:46:51 pm
So we're right back to hating the gays. Ah, gotta love Tumblr.

It's Japanese, most likely butchered, and I think it's "I hate them" and "I'll kill them."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 28, 2015, 10:35:42 pm
Here's some jackass calling for Gone With the Wind to fade into obscurity:

https://archive.is/Z5dyA (https://archive.is/Z5dyA)

Then again, what do I expect from the New York Post?  It's like Buzzfeed on paper.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 28, 2015, 11:00:10 pm
Naw, keep GWTW...right there next to Birth of a Nation. It has it's historical value, at least in portraying mid-20th century attitudes about blacks and slavery. It was pretty damn bad in that the story molded opinions for millions of whites who lived where there was virtually no social interaction with blacks. And it reinforced more and stupider stereotypes for black actors to bang their heads against in frustration. Butterfly McGee, anyone?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 29, 2015, 10:59:03 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2quq6g4.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 29, 2015, 05:01:19 pm
Ok.

Ironbite-*chows down on a cow*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on June 29, 2015, 05:43:43 pm
A chicken bit my dog. So I got revenge on it by consuming the bodies and souls of its whole family and I will not stop until it's whole race is extinct or I am dead.

Fuck those chickens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on June 29, 2015, 06:00:28 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 28, 2015, 08:48:59 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 28, 2015, 08:46:51 pm
So we're right back to hating the gays. Ah, gotta love Tumblr.

It's Japanese, most likely butchered, and I think it's "I hate them" and "I'll kill them."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "desu" considered a word of politeness? Kind of like saying "I hate you, sir. I would like to murder you if you wouldn't mind terribly."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 29, 2015, 06:19:56 pm
Quote from: Lady Evil on June 29, 2015, 06:00:28 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 28, 2015, 08:48:59 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 28, 2015, 08:46:51 pm
So we're right back to hating the gays. Ah, gotta love Tumblr.

It's Japanese, most likely butchered, and I think it's "I hate them" and "I'll kill them."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "desu" considered a word of politeness? Kind of like saying "I hate you, sir. I would like to murder you if you wouldn't mind terribly."

"Excuse me, but would you be put out if I ended your life?  I know it seems like a bother, I know, but it needs to be done sooner or later, and I have chose to opt for sooner."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on June 29, 2015, 06:32:03 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 29, 2015, 06:19:56 pm
Quote from: Lady Evil on June 29, 2015, 06:00:28 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 28, 2015, 08:48:59 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 28, 2015, 08:46:51 pm
So we're right back to hating the gays. Ah, gotta love Tumblr.

It's Japanese, most likely butchered, and I think it's "I hate them" and "I'll kill them."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "desu" considered a word of politeness? Kind of like saying "I hate you, sir. I would like to murder you if you wouldn't mind terribly."

"Excuse me, but would you be put out if I ended your life?  I know it seems like a bother, I know, but it needs to be done sooner or later, and I have chose to opt for sooner."

LOL!

Murderous rage is not an excuse for rudeness!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 29, 2015, 06:53:27 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on June 29, 2015, 06:19:56 pm
Quote from: Lady Evil on June 29, 2015, 06:00:28 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 28, 2015, 08:48:59 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 28, 2015, 08:46:51 pm
So we're right back to hating the gays. Ah, gotta love Tumblr.

It's Japanese, most likely butchered, and I think it's "I hate them" and "I'll kill them."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "desu" considered a word of politeness? Kind of like saying "I hate you, sir. I would like to murder you if you wouldn't mind terribly."

"Excuse me, but would you be put out if I ended your life?  I know it seems like a bother, I know, but it needs to be done sooner or later, and I have chose to opt for sooner."

Mind if I defeat you?  Can't hear you!

Ironbite-meh...I pefer "MY STRENGTH HAS MADE YOU CRY!" *cracks neck* "DRY YOUR TEARS WITH THIS!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 29, 2015, 07:28:08 pm
"Excuse me sir, but if you don't mind I would like to massacre you and your entire family. It won't take too long and I won't make it inconvenient. You just need to rot in the earth and become food for worms. Thanks and goodbye!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on June 29, 2015, 07:54:16 pm
Excuse me, but I was wondering if it's alright if I hold you down against your will for a bit?

Quote from: Lady Evil on June 29, 2015, 06:00:28 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 28, 2015, 08:48:59 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 28, 2015, 08:46:51 pm
So we're right back to hating the gays. Ah, gotta love Tumblr.

It's Japanese, most likely butchered, and I think it's "I hate them" and "I'll kill them."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "desu" considered a word of politeness? Kind of like saying "I hate you, sir. I would like to murder you if you wouldn't mind terribly."

According to Wikipedia...

Quote
Desu, a Japanese copula (です), or word used to grammatically link a subject and predicate, often translated into English using the verb "it is/ to be"

And it's more formal than "da."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 30, 2015, 01:12:32 am
Quote from: Lady Evil on June 29, 2015, 06:00:28 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on June 28, 2015, 08:48:59 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 28, 2015, 08:46:51 pm
So we're right back to hating the gays. Ah, gotta love Tumblr.

It's Japanese, most likely butchered, and I think it's "I hate them" and "I'll kill them."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "desu" considered a word of politeness? Kind of like saying "I hate you, sir. I would like to murder you if you wouldn't mind terribly."
Anime and manga characters often end their speech/sentence with some word or phrase. This is done to show their character or simply as a joke. You will find numerous servant type characters (maid in particular) as well as polite older or "old fashioned" characters use the "desu" ending. Rurouni Kenshin (nice and polite samurai) for example says the desu often. (The character is much more complex than that, but relevant to this discussion: his use of the word desu ALL THE TIME is meant as a example of how he is polite.)

Likewise if you have a character that is a talking cat then every single phrase it says ends with the equivalent of "meow." And "Fairy tail" made a joke about it by having a crab-man appear and everyone had expected him to end his sentences with "crab" but instead he used the name of some other animal, because they were joking with the joke by subverting it.

Now that I think about it, Mahou Sensei Negima also joked with this. There was a character that hadn't said a word in most of the series and when she started talking all her sentences ended with "pokyo" (or something like that) and the characters debated whether that was weird or just part of her being a "odd/cute character." ...Then she started accidentally using other words and people realized that she was just playing around.

Translators usually leave it out because it would sound extremely silly to non-japanese, but my point is that the "desu" bit is a anime/manga trope that really does not translate well. In this case being polite while giving out death threats is the equivalent of a dude in fedora and leather coat tipping his hat and going "my lady" because he thinks it makes him look cool.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on June 30, 2015, 06:16:48 am
(http://i.imgur.com/tG5kv7a.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 30, 2015, 08:29:48 am
Try and stop us :) our colonization game too strong, son!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 30, 2015, 09:33:46 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/iei2za.jpg)

Granted, this seems really over the top, so it might be a troll.  On the other hand, Poe's law.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 30, 2015, 09:55:54 am
The sad part is that #3 and #6 are completely agreeable.  #7 is a bit extreme, I'd just have them politely ignored.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 30, 2015, 01:27:17 pm
Huh, never knew strawmen went to school.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on June 30, 2015, 06:17:38 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on June 28, 2015, 10:37:45 am
She did her thing as she had to. Classic political protest, not a "heckler" incident. She knew she would get kicked out, and most importantly, knew what she was saying about unfair deportations would be reported in the press and heard in the video. I found it kind of sad that people in the room were "shushing" her, supposedly her fellow LGBTQ activists. What she did was very brave in the face of all that. Under Obama's and the Republican-dominated Congress' tenure we have seen record deportations and other bad actions in re immigration, and things are vastly more difficult for LGBTQ immigrants.

You said it very well. I think her actions should be in the best of social justice. Yeah, her impassioned speech was imprudent: so is any call for civil rights. Dr. King said it best that no oppressor has ever graciously given up his power without the oppressed causing a ruckus.

And worst of all, 46 years after the Stonewall Riots (almost to the day), we've forgotten that one of the most prominent voices to come from Stonewall and to shape the modern day LGBTQ (also known as "the LGbt movement") was a latina transwoman heckler. Instead, many white, cis, gay, men have happily traded their status of being oppressed in favor of being oppressors.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 30, 2015, 06:42:55 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on June 30, 2015, 06:17:38 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on June 28, 2015, 10:37:45 am
She did her thing as she had to. Classic political protest, not a "heckler" incident. She knew she would get kicked out, and most importantly, knew what she was saying about unfair deportations would be reported in the press and heard in the video. I found it kind of sad that people in the room were "shushing" her, supposedly her fellow LGBTQ activists. What she did was very brave in the face of all that. Under Obama's and the Republican-dominated Congress' tenure we have seen record deportations and other bad actions in re immigration, and things are vastly more difficult for LGBTQ immigrants.

You said it very well. I think her actions should be in the best of social justice. Yeah, her impassioned speech was imprudent: so is any call for civil rights. Dr. King said it best that no oppressor has ever graciously given up his power without the oppressed causing a ruckus.

And worst of all, 46 years after the Stonewall Riots (almost to the day), we've forgotten that one of the most prominent voices to come from Stonewall and to shape the modern day LGBTQ (also known as "the LGbt movement") was a latina transwoman heckler. Instead, many white, cis, gay, men have happily traded their status of being oppressed in favor of being oppressors.

1.  There's reason to believe that the "Transgender Stonewall" story is a myth:

http://igfculturewatch.com/2002/03/07/the-myth-of-a-transgender-stonewall/ (http://igfculturewatch.com/2002/03/07/the-myth-of-a-transgender-stonewall/)

2.  Difference is, she wasn't marching across a bridge, she was interrupting the President!  I don't doubt that she had the best of intentions, but complaining about her being kicked out is complete nonsense.  Anybody would get kicked out if they did that!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on June 30, 2015, 07:13:57 pm
Quote
This point does not deny that drag queens participated in the riot. They did.

Also, UP, interrupting an elected official at a press conference or public speech to shout out a protest statement for the crowd and press to hear - and maybe even get a comment from the pol - has been a common form of non-violent protest the world over since forever. Obama is paid well enough, and is experienced enough, to handle a critical shout out. I don't like the way he handled that one though. He could have answered her and had a brief meaningful dialog, but immigration is political dice rolling, and he crapped out by trying to act cool and bitchy - "You're in my house". No. The White House belongs to the nation. Any sitting President is answerable to any citizen. Public Service, UP.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 30, 2015, 08:59:25 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on June 30, 2015, 07:13:57 pm
Quote
This point does not deny that drag queens participated in the riot. They did.

Also, UP, interrupting an elected official at a press conference or public speech to shout out a protest statement for the crowd and press to hear - and maybe even get a comment from the pol - has been a common form of non-violent protest the world over since forever. Obama is paid well enough, and is experienced enough, to handle a critical shout out. I don't like the way he handled that one though. He could have answered her and had a brief meaningful dialog, but immigration is political dice rolling, and he copped out by trying to act cool and bitchy - "You're in my house". No. The White House belongs to the nation. Any sitting President is answerable to any citizen. Public Service, UP.

I never claimed that trans people weren't involved in Stonewall, just that their role may have been exaggerated.

As for the rest, I guess you have a point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 01, 2015, 05:32:40 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/14wrsbt.jpg)

"I'll disprove your accusation that I'm a Nazi by advocating genocide!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 01, 2015, 05:33:55 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 01, 2015, 05:32:40 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/14wrsbt.jpg)

"I'll disprove your accusation that I'm a Nazi by advocating genocide!"

it disproves itself in the first sentence, too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 01, 2015, 06:52:30 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 01, 2015, 05:32:40 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/14wrsbt.jpg)

"I'll disprove your accusation that I'm a Nazi by advocating genocide!"

Troll, I think. But, y'know how it goes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 01, 2015, 09:41:15 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/28tgqpc.jpg)

Trying to shame homosexuals for not being attracted to the opposite sex's genitalia?  Where have I heard that before?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 01, 2015, 09:50:13 pm
......what?  NO seriously that's just so illogical that I got brainstorm.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 02, 2015, 05:29:03 am
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aw77wPD_700b_v1.jpg)

social justice movements shouldn't be a fad that's forgotten in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 02, 2015, 06:06:35 am
As I said elsewhere when this picture was posted: You can care about more than one thing at a time but you can't jam all of it into one profile picture. It would get crowded and not make any sense. Just because people are changing the filter on their Facebook profile it doesn't mean that they are suddenly opposed to free speech and have only now started to support LGBT rights.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 02, 2015, 02:50:56 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 01, 2015, 05:32:40 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/14wrsbt.jpg)

"I'll disprove your accusation that I'm a Nazi by advocating genocide!"

If it goose-steps like a Nazi...

If the jackboot fits...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 02, 2015, 03:13:09 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/25rgwa0.jpg)

Damn, if only my male brain was smart enough to understand what she said.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 02, 2015, 03:16:29 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 02, 2015, 03:13:09 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/25rgwa0.jpg)

Damn, if only my male brain was smart enough to understand what she said.

Ugh, why woman use words?  I hit on head with club, now.  If woman break, oh well.  There more where that came from and club strong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 02, 2015, 04:38:09 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on July 02, 2015, 03:16:29 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 02, 2015, 03:13:09 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/25rgwa0.jpg)

Damn, if only my male brain was smart enough to understand what she said.

Ugh, why woman use words?  I hit on head with club, now.  If woman break, oh well.  There more where that came from and club strong.

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 02, 2015, 06:50:12 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 02, 2015, 03:13:09 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/25rgwa0.jpg)

Damn, if only my male brain was smart enough to understand what she said.

Seriously, am I the only one who thinks this "smart" woman needs to go back to english class? A tip from someone who apparently sacrificed half his brain for a penis: if you're going to type up a post declaring how intellectually superior you are to everyone of a different gender, then proper capitalization and punctuation are a fucking prerequisite.

I make no such claims because I damn well know there are people who are both smarter and dumber than I am regardless of what is between their legs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 02, 2015, 06:58:07 pm
That's the weirdest bit of made-up neurology I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on July 03, 2015, 12:27:34 am
I see Mommy got into the cooking sherry again. My response would be to tell her to get off the computer and back in the kitchen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on July 03, 2015, 03:59:10 am
The retarded stuff people believe about neurology continues to astound me to this day.

Here is the pain and simple truth. Everyone uses all of their brain, all the time. Can we finally put all those stupid urban legends to rest now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on July 03, 2015, 08:48:56 am
If women are so smart why do they make less than men?

Checkmate, Atheists!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 04, 2015, 10:29:06 am
Quote from: Damen on July 02, 2015, 06:50:12 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 02, 2015, 03:13:09 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/25rgwa0.jpg)

Damn, if only my male brain was smart enough to understand what she said.

Seriously, am I the only one who thinks this "smart" woman needs to go back to english class? A tip from someone who apparently sacrificed half his brain for a penis: if you're going to type up a post declaring how intellectually superior you are to everyone of a different gender, then proper capitalization and punctuation are a fucking prerequisite.

I make no such claims because I damn well know there are people who are both smarter and dumber than I am regardless of what is between their legs.

i agree wholeheartedly, except for the capitalization bit. also, that was word salad wrapped in condescension, where it had no place due to obvious illiteracy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 04, 2015, 11:43:58 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2qjksa9.jpg)

You know what really alienates Muslim queers?

ISIL.

When they kill them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 05, 2015, 10:47:02 pm
In which The Guardian claims barbecue is cultural appropriation:

https://archive.is/CRZR0 (https://archive.is/CRZR0)

I really hope this is a joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 06, 2015, 04:39:37 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 05, 2015, 10:47:02 pm
In which The Guardian claims barbecue is cultural appropriation:

https://archive.is/CRZR0 (https://archive.is/CRZR0)

I really hope this is a joke.

one of the comments from the article.

Quote
This article is an ethno-centric racist diatribe by those who appropriated the tradition of barbecue from cavemen. I lay claim to my ancestors' cuisine.

i loll'd. that article is awful.

edit: also, shiiiiiiiitlllllllooooooooooooooooords!!!!one!!1!!!

(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/axGjK1D_700b.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 06, 2015, 09:42:34 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 04, 2015, 11:43:58 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2qjksa9.jpg)

You know what really alienates Muslim queers?

ISIL.

When they kill them.
What does the text say anyway?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 06, 2015, 09:12:42 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/30ji6a0.jpg)

Gotta love the doublethink.

"Gender roles are dumb!  Clothing is not gendered!"

"Oh, they wear something that slightly resembles a skirt?  They must be a transwoman, men can't wear skirts!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 06, 2015, 10:20:22 pm
I think you are looking way too deep into some random person's weird headcanon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on July 06, 2015, 11:01:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 06, 2015, 09:12:42 pm
"Oh, they wear something that slightly resembles a skirt?  They must be a transwoman, men can't wear skirts!"

(http://21stcenturykilts.com/templates/tfck/images/custom-header.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on July 06, 2015, 11:02:34 pm
Quote from: dpareja on July 06, 2015, 11:01:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 06, 2015, 09:12:42 pm
"Oh, they wear something that slightly resembles a skirt?  They must be a transwoman, men can't wear skirts!"

(http://21stcenturykilts.com/templates/tfck/images/custom-header.jpg)
*plays bagpipes*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on July 06, 2015, 11:45:00 pm
*Remembers Sandman*

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 07, 2015, 09:05:38 am
Quote from: Svata on July 06, 2015, 11:02:34 pm
Quote from: dpareja on July 06, 2015, 11:01:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 06, 2015, 09:12:42 pm
"Oh, they wear something that slightly resembles a skirt?  They must be a transwoman, men can't wear skirts!"

(http://21stcenturykilts.com/templates/tfck/images/custom-header.jpg)
*plays bagpipes*

that dude pulls off the tartan suit really well. and talk about shit-eating grins. these guys look ready to take a bite out of the world like it's an apple!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on July 07, 2015, 10:09:55 am
Well they are Scotsmen in kilts. Looks like the cover to some really strange pop band comprised of burly Scottish men singing about love.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 07, 2015, 04:49:28 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/6z9cud.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 07, 2015, 06:11:44 pm
Ok the first one is kinda harsh the second one, I agree with.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on July 07, 2015, 06:26:36 pm
NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e15/11356410_1466072617038714_750477521_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on July 07, 2015, 08:14:43 pm
I would tell you you're full of so much shit that you would make a fucking toilet blush.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 07, 2015, 09:19:01 pm
Quote from: Solar Pendra on July 07, 2015, 06:26:36 pm
NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e15/11356410_1466072617038714_750477521_n.jpg)

That American flag has 51 stars, and I'm not sure if that's because the artist was too lazy to check their work or it's part of the point they're making.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on July 07, 2015, 10:02:23 pm
Quote from: Svata on July 06, 2015, 11:02:34 pm
Quote from: dpareja on July 06, 2015, 11:01:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 06, 2015, 09:12:42 pm
"Oh, they wear something that slightly resembles a skirt?  They must be a transwoman, men can't wear skirts!"

(http://21stcenturykilts.com/templates/tfck/images/custom-header.jpg)
*plays bagpipes*
(click to show/hide)
Barbarians please go and stay gone. Our skirts are clearly better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 07, 2015, 10:49:25 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/1z1h6qs.jpg)

Crab mentality in action.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on July 07, 2015, 11:38:21 pm
I don't even. Horseshoe theory so strong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on July 08, 2015, 12:39:40 pm
What is gaslighting?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2015, 12:43:02 pm
Quote from: rookie on July 08, 2015, 12:39:40 pm
What is gaslighting?

Gaslighting is deliberately trying to drive someone mad by altering their environment without their knowledge, then denying it; or in a more general sense, by denying someone's perceptions of reality causing confusion, anguish, and paranoia.  Social Justice types, both good and bad, often use the term to describe attempts at delegitimizing somebody's grievances.  For example, if a woman brings up something that she perceives as sexism and someone responds that it’s really not that big a deal, or that she’s overreacting, or that she’s just being silly, or that it was just a joke or similar, that is interpreted (rightly or wrongly) as “gaslighting.”
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on July 08, 2015, 12:44:50 pm
So like the gardening method. Ok. But is that a real thing people do to each other?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2015, 12:55:48 pm
Quote from: rookie on July 08, 2015, 12:44:50 pm
So like the gardening method. Ok. But is that a real thing people do to each other?

Yes.  It's a common tactic domestic abusers use to control their victims.  It's also a favored technique of cults.  The Manson Family did it as a terror tactic in preparation for the race war they thought was right around the corner.  And the Stasi used it to psychologically torture suspected dissenters.

But I think they mean "gaslighting" in the Social Justice context, where it's used to describe an attempt to make people believe that legitimate grievances are in fact not by repeatedly stating that the person raising the concern is overreacting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on July 08, 2015, 01:01:26 pm
That makes a lot more sense. Thank you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2015, 01:29:37 pm
And now radflakes have an actual death on their hands:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/ (http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 08, 2015, 02:13:44 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2015, 01:29:37 pm
And now radflakes have an actual death on their hands:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/ (http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/)

That article may have glossed over details I'm unaware of but it sounds like he never made a public apology about the alleged incident. If there's something people should learn in communications class, it's that you sometimes have to swallow your pride and apologize over a perceived slight instead of doubling down. It's unfortunate that he ended up committing suicide but he kept on doubling down and escalating what otherwise may have been a manageable situation.

Blaming this on radflakes reminds me of Bill O'Reilly blaming the recent high-profile murder in San Francisco on Obama. I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion in any way other than desperation to pin something on a group you have a vendetta against.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2015, 04:35:12 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on July 08, 2015, 02:13:44 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2015, 01:29:37 pm
And now radflakes have an actual death on their hands:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/ (http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/)

That article may have glossed over details I'm unaware of but it sounds like he never made a public apology about the alleged incident. If there's something people should learn in communications class, it's that you sometimes have to swallow your pride and apologize over a perceived slight instead of doubling down. It's unfortunate that he ended up committing suicide but he kept on doubling down and escalating what otherwise may have been a manageable situation.

Blaming this on radflakes reminds me of Bill O'Reilly blaming the recent high-profile murder in San Francisco on Obama. I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion in any way other than desperation to pin something on a group you have a vendetta against.

Wait, are you saying it was his fault?

And I'd say this is a pretty clear-cut case of exactly that happening.  Some radflake gets offended and starts a smear campaign, leading him to commit suicide.  Really, this reminds me of homophobes cyberbullying gay people and driving them to suicide.

Besides, he was an older guy who didn't keep up with internet culture, and from suicide note he emphasized how he had fought against racism his entire life.

I'd assume he was a decent person, and had made the "label" of anti-racist an essential part of his identity.  Then he got attacked for being "racist" by a new internet phenomenon that doesn't care even the slightest bit about such things as "evidence", and he thought their allegations had actual validity because of inexperience with them, and took them as valid attacks on what he considered a core of his identity.

The woman's passive-aggressive non-apology was just the icing on the cake.

Quote
For years I have experienced discrimination in Israel. On the only occasion in which I told my story a man was hurt. There is no one more sorry than me. If I could (go back), I would have remained silent this time as well.

Assuming the translation accurately captures what she meant, "I would have remained silent this time as well" implies that her not saying anything would have been yet another chapter in the story of brave black women being silenced in order to keep the white (or white-ish) man happy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 08, 2015, 04:53:35 pm
You're stretching pretty far on this one, UP.

Having to deal with the consequences of your actions online isn't always the same thing as cyberbullying. It sounds like a shitty situation to be in and it's unfortunate that he committed suicide but I'm not buying your convenient little black-and-white story that the feminazis had him on a hit-list and launched a coordinated attack.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2015, 04:35:12 pm
The woman's passive-aggressive non-apology was just the icing on the cake.

Quote
For years I have experienced discrimination in Israel. On the only occasion in which I told my story a man was hurt. There is no one more sorry than me. If I could (go back), I would have remained silent this time as well.

Assuming the translation accurately captures what she meant, "I would have remained silent this time as well" implies that her not saying anything would have been yet another chapter in the story of brave black women being silenced in order to keep the white (or white-ish) man happy.

If that sounds like a notpology to you, you should look at social justice from the point of view of a minority and not a privileged accelerant. It's always easier to keep silent and not start conflicts with more powerful people than you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2015, 05:15:04 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on July 08, 2015, 04:53:35 pm
You're stretching pretty far on this one, UP.

Having to deal with the consequences of your actions online isn't always the same thing as cyberbullying.


What are you talking about?  There's no hard evidence that Mr. Ronis actually did anything wrong.

Quote from: Ironchew on July 08, 2015, 04:53:35 pm
It sounds like a shitty situation to be in and it's unfortunate that he committed suicide but I'm not buying your convenient little black-and-white story that the feminazis had him on a hit-list and launched a coordinated attack.


I never said that was what happened.  Sorry if I wasn't clearer.  I don't think it was a "coordinated attack", I think it was a combination of radflakes using it as an opportunity to "smash the kyriarchy", regular people caught up in a frenzy of outrage, bystanders afraid to speak up, and typical yellow journalism from a news media looking to sell a story.

Quote from: Ironchew on July 08, 2015, 04:53:35 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2015, 04:35:12 pm
The woman's passive-aggressive non-apology was just the icing on the cake.

Quote
For years I have experienced discrimination in Israel. On the only occasion in which I told my story a man was hurt. There is no one more sorry than me. If I could (go back), I would have remained silent this time as well.

Assuming the translation accurately captures what she meant, "I would have remained silent this time as well" implies that her not saying anything would have been yet another chapter in the story of brave black women being silenced in order to keep the white (or white-ish) man happy.

If that sounds like a notpology to you, you should look at social justice from the point of view of a minority and not a privileged accelerant. It's always easier to keep silent and not start conflicts with more powerful people than you.

Except she did start a conflict.  And in that light, her "apology" sound like she's making his suicide out to be just another part of the kyriarchy.  I really hope I'm wrong about that, because if I'm not...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 08, 2015, 06:42:33 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on July 08, 2015, 02:13:44 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2015, 01:29:37 pm
And now radflakes have an actual death on their hands:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/ (http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/)

That article may have glossed over details I'm unaware of but it sounds like he never made a public apology about the alleged incident. If there's something people should learn in communications class, it's that you sometimes have to swallow your pride and apologize over a perceived slight instead of doubling down.

It's unfortunate that he ended up committing suicide but he kept on doubling down and escalating what otherwise may have been a manageable situation.

This is... if not exactly victim blaming, pretty fucking close.

Call-out culture, public shaming and associated memes where huge bunches of people online harass an individual over a real or perceived case of racism/sexism/etc. are possibly the worst thing to come out of the social justice movement. They are not constructive in the least, at best they lead to effective censorship and at worst they lead to cases like this.

The answer to this is not "well, he should have faked an apology even though he didn't mean it". First, because that's not really too effective anyway, apologising does not reliably end the harassment. Second, because it fucks up the discourse norms and places certain positions beyond public disagreement. Third, because it creates perverse incentives for every group to organise themselves into massive "I'm offended" campaigns.

The answer, hopefully, would be getting rid of the idea that everyone needs to start sending messages to Designated-Target-#473565 about how horrible they are until they cry publicly in self-flagellation or kill themselves (or someone else comes up and the effort is redirected). It's an awful dynamic, and the sooner it ends the better for everyone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 08, 2015, 06:54:34 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 08, 2015, 06:42:33 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on July 08, 2015, 02:13:44 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 08, 2015, 01:29:37 pm
And now radflakes have an actual death on their hands:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/ (http://www.timesofisrael.com/civil-servant-commits-suicide-after-facebook-accusations-of-racism/)

That article may have glossed over details I'm unaware of but it sounds like he never made a public apology about the alleged incident. If there's something people should learn in communications class, it's that you sometimes have to swallow your pride and apologize over a perceived slight instead of doubling down.

It's unfortunate that he ended up committing suicide but he kept on doubling down and escalating what otherwise may have been a manageable situation.

This is... if not exactly victim blaming, pretty fucking close.

Call-out culture, public shaming and associated memes where huge bunches of people online harass an individual over a real or perceived case of racism/sexism/etc. are possibly the worst thing to come out of the social justice movement. They are not constructive in the least, at best they lead to effective censorship and at worst they lead to cases like this.

The answer to this is not "well, he should have faked an apology even though he didn't mean it". First, because that's not really too effective anyway, apologising does not reliably end the harassment. Second, because it fucks up the discourse norms and places certain positions beyond public disagreement. Third, because it creates perverse incentives for every group to organise themselves into massive "I'm offended" campaigns.

The answer, hopefully, would be getting rid of the idea that everyone needs to start sending messages to Designated-Target-#473565 about how horrible they are until they cry publicly in self-flagellation or kill themselves (or someone else comes up and the effort is redirected). It's an awful dynamic, and the sooner it ends the better for everyone.

another reason why sigma's the admin.

ironchew's dander is up today, what happened, bud? you're more vitriolic than usual. i'm on ultie's and sigma's side on this one. pushing someone to suicide is "fuck no, automatically makes you wrong" territory, even when it could potentially be justified. the guy was doing his thing, then a massive campaign rises to ruin his life? that's not social justice, that's mob mentality.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 09, 2015, 01:59:19 am
(http://i.imgur.com/hHgyXwX.png)

Yay for social justice warriors who have no sense of humour...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on July 09, 2015, 06:34:32 am
(http://i.imgur.com/dd4Kx7C.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on July 09, 2015, 07:25:38 am
And facts are nothing more than a heteronazi conspiracy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 09, 2015, 09:51:25 am
MFA Boston cancelled a Monet exhibition because radflakes deemed it "vile racism" and "culturally insensitive".

https://archive.is/GQSxe (https://archive.is/GQSxe)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 09, 2015, 10:28:20 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 09, 2015, 09:51:25 am
MFA Boston cancelled a Monet exhibition because radflakes deemed it "vile racism" and "culturally insensitive".

https://archive.is/GQSxe (https://archive.is/GQSxe)

to be fair, the exhibition called for showing some monet paintings, most notably "la japonaise", aka monet's wife wearing a kimono, while giving the possibility to museum goers of trying on a replica kimono. the radflakes have called that culturally insensitive (nevermind that the japanese public had no problems with it), and so what is cancelled is the wearing of the kimono, being replaced instead by exposing the kimono in question (but not the ability to try it on). it's really silly, and racist of the radflakes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on July 09, 2015, 05:16:16 pm
Another instance of Tumblrina contagion spreading out in real life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 09, 2015, 06:23:45 pm
An actual Japanese person weighs in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwoSYWIgV9Y
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 09, 2015, 06:51:54 pm
i watched the video, and they're right. it's as stupid as saying it's cultural appropriation from the basques for wearing a beret. oh wait, the basques don't count because they're white. i swear, tumblrinas and sjw's have become as racist as the guys they were trying to fight originally.

if i'm going to the desert, i'll wear a djellabah because it's proper hot-weather attire, not because i'm trying to become kabil or berber or touareg. i'll wear a kimono if the situation calls for it (that, and they look comfortable).

is it cultural appropriation for me to wear cowboy boots, a neck lace and leather chaps since i'm not american? would anyone be offended? nope, they'd just say "die cis scum shitlord, you're triggering me with your pro-americanism" or something. they're pathetic, and diluting the impact of social justice by bickering about details.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 09, 2015, 08:38:09 pm
My sister was gifted with a kimono by a Japanese high school class when her class visited Japan.  I guess the Japanese were too stupid to realize that they were encouraging the appropriation of their own culture./sarcasm

On a funnier note, I think there actually is a subculture in Japan that's obsessed with cowboys and the American Wild West.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on July 09, 2015, 09:00:50 pm
In my opinion unless it's a special religious garment or something that is really culturally significant (like certain marriage kimonos that have a special connotation) I say cloths can be worn by anyone, the idea that wearing some cloths is cultural appropriation is a weird thing since some cases it's true (like a hipster wearing native American head dresses) but other times it's just BS (like a white person wearing a kimono or a cheongsam)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 09, 2015, 10:57:12 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 09, 2015, 08:38:09 pm
My sister was gifted with a kimono by a Japanese high school class when her class visited Japan.  I guess the Japanese were too stupid to realize that they were encouraging the appropriation of their own culture./sarcasm

On a funnier note, I think there actually is a subculture in Japan that's obsessed with cowboys and the American Wild West.

.....

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Cg0Fsc4KHjk/VRThnPgbl4I/AAAAAAAAKRA/8KS_b2iWWus/s1600/11032198_10152869604754862_2156591569898474977_n.jpg)

(http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/86f4ce9100c8003a3ed26d68a8823d601425126374_full.jpg)

Ironbite-no clue what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 09, 2015, 11:15:42 pm
The Wild West...in a way that would only ever make sense coming from Japan.  Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 09, 2015, 11:24:25 pm
Second picture is of a Ninja btw.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on July 09, 2015, 11:26:41 pm
Aren't those guys like the Juggalos of Japan, though? Or was that those grotesque, garishly attired doll-people?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 10, 2015, 12:01:07 am
Are you talking about the lolitas? Or the Gyaru?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on July 10, 2015, 12:07:26 am
I think he's talking about that really small subset of cosplayers that wear those really fucking creepy doll anime faces. I would link an image but I don't feel like looking for those things cause they give me fucking nightmares.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on July 10, 2015, 08:55:55 am
One time I went out to eat sushi. as I slowly lift the first piece of delicious mercury-laced fish product to my mouth, I spot a japanese man from the corner of my eye, his face frozen in horror. As I start to take my first bite, he cries out. then suddenly, the sun darkens. The barriers between worlds shatter, and I am unable to move as the shadowlings claim him, dragging him to the Shadow Dimensions to absorb his spirit energy. The next morning I turn on the news, and see that the entire nation of Japan no longer exists. My careless abuse of my white privilege has cost so many lives. Cultural Appropriation is serious business.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 11, 2015, 09:21:41 am
https://archive.is/5wLTq (https://archive.is/5wLTq)

Quote
To me, it seems much more likely that Samus is trans at 6′3″ than cis.

And trans women are real women so all it does is add another interesting layer to her character rather than make her “not really a woman”

"Women can't be tall unless they're trans!"

Jesus Christ, that's sexist.  Gwendoline Christie (who plays Brienne of Tarth on Game of Thrones) is 6'3 and she's cis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 11, 2015, 10:25:36 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 11, 2015, 09:21:41 am
https://archive.is/5wLTq (https://archive.is/5wLTq)

Quote
To me, it seems much more likely that Samus is trans at 6′3″ than cis.

And trans women are real women so all it does is add another interesting layer to her character rather than make her “not really a woman”

"Women can't be tall unless they're trans!"

Jesus Christ, that's sexist.  Gwendoline Christie (who plays Brienne of Tarth on Game of Thrones) is 6'3 and she's cis.

that, and you can always ad lib something about living in space that makes you grow taller with the apparent lack of gravity. or something. besides, samus is a girl, always has been. never had boy parts. never was trans. just like friggin' link. (zelda could be considered at the very least androgynous, seeing how she was disguised as a guy for years).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on July 11, 2015, 10:28:18 am
I thought they explained that as her using magic?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 11, 2015, 10:33:33 am
Actually I think the Space-bird-aliens (Chozo?) did some modifications to Samus. If I remember correctly she was a human colonists who was saved by the Chozo(?) after her family had been killed and the aliens modified her body as they turned her into a super-soldier (which may be why she is so tall.) I think the point was that the aliens were so advanced that they had some transhumanism/alienism in almost all of them and modified their bodies to suit whatever job they were doing. Samus got the armour and can even turn into a ball because of those modifications.

...Most of the backstory is in the manga but I don't remember any mention of her being transperson.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 11, 2015, 10:36:15 am
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aApwgwL_700b.jpg)

both can claim rape. that's why it's in "worst".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Id82 on July 11, 2015, 11:00:22 am
Wait, so the man is automatically at fault even though he was drunk and by their logic could not consent too?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 11, 2015, 11:04:28 am
Quote from: guizonde on July 11, 2015, 10:36:15 am
both can claim rape. that's why it's in "worst".

I saw a long debate over that one (or a similarly worded one.) Some claimed that obviously the poster means that Josie was unconscious or at least completely wasted and therefore the poster is correct. Except that in that case it should have been worded in such a way. As it is, the poster presents a double standard, particularly by saying that drunk women cannot consent and placing the responsibility only on guys.

...And what about homosexual hook ups? If it is two guys are they both rapists? Two women in the same scenario means that neither of them is a rapist and both are victims?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 11, 2015, 11:07:00 am
Quote from: askold on July 11, 2015, 10:33:33 am
Actually I think the Space-bird-aliens (Chozo?) did some modifications to Samus. If I remember correctly she was a human colonists who was saved by the Chozo(?) after her family had been killed and the aliens modified her body as they turned her into a super-soldier (which may be why she is so tall.) I think the point was that the aliens were so advanced that they had some transhumanism/alienism in almost all of them and modified their bodies to suit whatever job they were doing. Samus got the armour and can even turn into a ball because of those modifications.

...Most of the backstory is in the manga but I don't remember any mention of her being transperson.

You're right.  If anything, she's transhuman, not transgender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on July 11, 2015, 11:08:05 am
Quote from: Id82 on July 11, 2015, 11:00:22 am
Wait, so the man is automatically at fault even though he was drunk and by their logic could not consent too?
If a guy is sober enough to still get it up...

Delusional but consistent.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 11, 2015, 11:27:05 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 11, 2015, 11:08:05 am
Quote from: Id82 on July 11, 2015, 11:00:22 am
Wait, so the man is automatically at fault even though he was drunk and by their logic could not consent too?
If a guy is sober enough to still get it up...

Delusional but consistent.

don't quote me on this, but with certain meds you can get it up even when drunk as a skunk. viagra and certain antidepressants come to mind. then again, ever heard of the "fear boner"? a man gets a hardon because he's scared for his life? that's why in high school certain guys pull the periscope technique when doing a class presentation. high heartrate, high blood pressure.... but almost unprovable, as nearly no man can go to the police and file a rape report.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 11, 2015, 05:06:33 pm
Quote from: askold on July 11, 2015, 11:04:28 am
Quote from: guizonde on July 11, 2015, 10:36:15 am
both can claim rape. that's why it's in "worst".

I saw a long debate over that one (or a similarly worded one.) Some claimed that obviously the poster means that Josie was unconscious or at least completely wasted and therefore the poster is correct. Except that in that case it should have been worded in such a way. As it is, the poster presents a double standard, particularly by saying that drunk women cannot consent and placing the responsibility only on guys.

...And what about homosexual hook ups? If it is two guys are they both rapists? Two women in the same scenario means that neither of them is a rapist and both are victims?

All very good points.  Now for the rebuttal.

Ironbite-*points at askold* HE'S A RAPIST!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 11, 2015, 05:31:57 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 11, 2015, 05:06:33 pm
Quote from: askold on July 11, 2015, 11:04:28 am
Quote from: guizonde on July 11, 2015, 10:36:15 am
both can claim rape. that's why it's in "worst".

I saw a long debate over that one (or a similarly worded one.) Some claimed that obviously the poster means that Josie was unconscious or at least completely wasted and therefore the poster is correct. Except that in that case it should have been worded in such a way. As it is, the poster presents a double standard, particularly by saying that drunk women cannot consent and placing the responsibility only on guys.

...And what about homosexual hook ups? If it is two guys are they both rapists? Two women in the same scenario means that neither of them is a rapist and both are victims?

All very good points.  Now for the rebuttal.

Ironbite-*points at askold* HE'S A RAPIST!

i wasn't expecting that. i loll'd.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 11, 2015, 05:32:51 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 11, 2015, 09:21:41 am
https://archive.is/5wLTq (https://archive.is/5wLTq)

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To me, it seems much more likely that Samus is trans at 6′3″ than cis.

And trans women are real women so all it does is add another interesting layer to her character rather than make her “not really a woman”

"Women can't be tall unless they're trans!"

Jesus Christ, that's sexist.  Gwendoline Christie (who plays Brienne of Tarth on Game of Thrones) is 6'3 and she's cis.

Observing that people assigned male at birth are on average taller than people assigned female at birth is sexist? What?

If the claim is "a woman 6'3" tall is more likely to be trans than cis", I actually did the math and it checks out*, in the specific context of 21st century America in which Samus does not live. How does that translate to the sci-fi setting? Not one goddamn idea, because it's all made up.

Seriously guys, stop policing people's headcanons. It's made up stuff about other made up stuff.

*Roughly three times more likely, using an estimate of trans people as 0.3% of the population, amab height with a mean of 69.1 inches and standard deviation 2.9 inches, afab height with a mean of 63.7 inches and standard deviation 2.7 inches. I'm not putting a lot of confidence in the numbers because I just went with what came up on Google, but the effect is large enough that I think it would stand to scrutiny. I have a limit on  the amount of effort I will put in a single forum post, and apparently that limit is checking the literature to get better numbers for height distributions and percentage of women who are trans

Also I hope you all appreciate that I actually did this entirely in inches. My metric pride is in pain
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on July 11, 2015, 08:33:56 pm
Quote from: guizonde on July 11, 2015, 11:27:05 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 11, 2015, 11:08:05 am
Quote from: Id82 on July 11, 2015, 11:00:22 am
Wait, so the man is automatically at fault even though he was drunk and by their logic could not consent too?
If a guy is sober enough to still get it up...

Delusional but consistent.

don't quote me on this, but with certain meds you can get it up even when drunk as a skunk. viagra and certain antidepressants come to mind. then again, ever heard of the "fear boner"? a man gets a hardon because he's scared for his life? that's why in high school certain guys pull the periscope technique when doing a class presentation. high heartrate, high blood pressure.... but almost unprovable, as nearly no man can go to the police and file a rape report.
Now you're just making excuses you patriarch shill.  ;)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 11, 2015, 11:21:38 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 11, 2015, 08:33:56 pm
Quote from: guizonde on July 11, 2015, 11:27:05 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 11, 2015, 11:08:05 am
Quote from: Id82 on July 11, 2015, 11:00:22 am
Wait, so the man is automatically at fault even though he was drunk and by their logic could not consent too?
If a guy is sober enough to still get it up...

Delusional but consistent.

don't quote me on this, but with certain meds you can get it up even when drunk as a skunk. viagra and certain antidepressants come to mind. then again, ever heard of the "fear boner"? a man gets a hardon because he's scared for his life? that's why in high school certain guys pull the periscope technique when doing a class presentation. high heartrate, high blood pressure.... but almost unprovable, as nearly no man can go to the police and file a rape report.
Now you're just making excuses you patriarch shill.  ;)

or there's always the margot verger* school of thought: cattle prod up the rear.

try and get that reference.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on July 12, 2015, 12:37:38 am
Quote from: guizonde on July 11, 2015, 11:21:38 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 11, 2015, 08:33:56 pm
Quote from: guizonde on July 11, 2015, 11:27:05 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on July 11, 2015, 11:08:05 am
Quote from: Id82 on July 11, 2015, 11:00:22 am
Wait, so the man is automatically at fault even though he was drunk and by their logic could not consent too?
If a guy is sober enough to still get it up...

Delusional but consistent.

don't quote me on this, but with certain meds you can get it up even when drunk as a skunk. viagra and certain antidepressants come to mind. then again, ever heard of the "fear boner"? a man gets a hardon because he's scared for his life? that's why in high school certain guys pull the periscope technique when doing a class presentation. high heartrate, high blood pressure.... but almost unprovable, as nearly no man can go to the police and file a rape report.
Now you're just making excuses you patriarch shill.  ;)

or there's always the margot verger* school of thought: cattle prod up the rear.

try and get that reference.

Pretty sure I saw that on an episode of Law and Order: SVU.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 12, 2015, 11:41:01 am
(click to show/hide)

Wow, this is some intense Oppression Olympics.
Such big words and huge rants, and enough straw to start a forest fire.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 12, 2015, 12:04:49 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 12, 2015, 11:41:01 am
(click to show/hide)

Wow, this is some intense Oppression Olympics.
Such big words and huge rants, and enough straw to start a forest fire.

If you think that's about oppression olympics, you are missing the point.

"We're just like you, except with this one tiny difference, so give us rights" is a commonly used pro-gay-rights argument, and it's rather understandable too. Normalising LGBTQ people is a step towards acceptance.

Buuuuut there's also the complaint from the people who aren't just identical to the societal idea of monogamous marriage and acceptable political views and respectable jobs and so on and so forth that this throws them under the bus. "We deserve rights because we are a nuclear family" has at least some subtext that being a nuclear family is important. Standard narratives optimised to be nice and non-threatening and baseball and apple pie don't help and possibly hurt the people who don't fit those narratives.

Which is why you get the weird dynamics like people going "same-sex marriage is a victory for cis white gay men, fuck those guys". I don't agree with it, but it comes from a place where it looks like all these campaigns are not helping you, they are helping the LGBTQ people that can be sufficiently sanitised to appeal to mainstream society, and there's a fear that once they've got theirs they won't use their newfound social capital to help you, just to keep the new status quo.

And some people do that, sometimes! Bisexual erasure from gay people is a thing. Lesbian TERFs are a thing. Trans men and women shitting on non-binary people is a thing.*

 It's unfair to treat all 'normalised' LGBTQ people as though they'd fuck over the rest, or as if they're deliberately pushing a narrative where they are "the good ones". But it's also dumb to lean too much on the normalised narratives to push for LGBT rights. At some point, we want people to realise that your rights should not depend on you fitting nice narratives and just on, y'know, being a fucking human being. I think there are legitimate reasons to think normalising particular kinds of LGBT people can be a double-edged sword in that regard.


*Um, bias note, I'm bisexual and gender-weird, so maybe I'm personally sensitive to this stuff.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 12, 2015, 05:24:07 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/ereqfk.jpg)

If it's an "anomaly", then why are the majority of child abusers female?

http://www.safehorizon.org/page/child-abuse-facts-56.html (http://www.safehorizon.org/page/child-abuse-facts-56.html)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 13, 2015, 08:35:15 am
NO WIRE HANGERS!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 13, 2015, 09:24:43 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 12, 2015, 05:24:07 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/ereqfk.jpg)

If it's an "anomaly", then why are the majority of child abusers female?

http://www.safehorizon.org/page/child-abuse-facts-56.html (http://www.safehorizon.org/page/child-abuse-facts-56.html)

...because those are separate crimes and so the perpetrator demographics are different?

I mean, I disagree with the original argument too, but your reply makes no sense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 13, 2015, 10:10:29 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 13, 2015, 09:24:43 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 12, 2015, 05:24:07 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/ereqfk.jpg)

If it's an "anomaly", then why are the majority of child abusers female?

http://www.safehorizon.org/page/child-abuse-facts-56.html (http://www.safehorizon.org/page/child-abuse-facts-56.html)

...because those are separate crimes and so the perpetrator demographics are different?

I mean, I disagree with the original argument too, but your reply makes no sense.

Pedophilic acts are a form of child abuse.  And female child molesters almost always get off easy compared to male child molesters.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on July 13, 2015, 10:52:32 am
Statistics,  please.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 13, 2015, 11:48:01 am
Quote from: Svata on July 13, 2015, 10:52:32 am
Statistics,  please.

Here you go:

https://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/feminist-researchers-find-female-sex-offenders-get-slaps-on-the-wrist/ (https://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/feminist-researchers-find-female-sex-offenders-get-slaps-on-the-wrist/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 13, 2015, 01:21:23 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 13, 2015, 10:10:29 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 13, 2015, 09:24:43 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 12, 2015, 05:24:07 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/ereqfk.jpg)

If it's an "anomaly", then why are the majority of child abusers female?

http://www.safehorizon.org/page/child-abuse-facts-56.html (http://www.safehorizon.org/page/child-abuse-facts-56.html)

...because those are separate crimes and so the perpetrator demographics are different?

I mean, I disagree with the original argument too, but your reply makes no sense.

Pedophilic acts are a form of child abuse.  And female child molesters almost always get off easy compared to male child molesters.

A form of child abuse where the perpetrators are most often men (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse#Demographics).

The specific claims made was that women committing rape, murder or child molesting is "an anomaly". As far as I know, the statisitics at least bear out that they are less likely to commit those crimes in particular. Whether that justifies the 'anomaly' statement, that's more subjective. Either way, bringing up some other thing that women do more often than men does not address the claims made, even if it's a superset of one of the crimes listed.

Not sure what severity of punishment has to do with anything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 13, 2015, 01:55:22 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 13, 2015, 01:21:23 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 13, 2015, 10:10:29 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 13, 2015, 09:24:43 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 12, 2015, 05:24:07 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/ereqfk.jpg)

If it's an "anomaly", then why are the majority of child abusers female?

http://www.safehorizon.org/page/child-abuse-facts-56.html (http://www.safehorizon.org/page/child-abuse-facts-56.html)

...because those are separate crimes and so the perpetrator demographics are different?

I mean, I disagree with the original argument too, but your reply makes no sense.

Pedophilic acts are a form of child abuse.  And female child molesters almost always get off easy compared to male child molesters.

A form of child abuse where the perpetrators are most often men (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse#Demographics).

The specific claims made was that women committing rape, murder or child molesting is "an anomaly". As far as I know, the statisitics at least bear out that they are less likely to commit those crimes in particular. Whether that justifies the 'anomaly' statement, that's more subjective. Either way, bringing up some other thing that women do more often than men does not address the claims made, even if it's a superset of one of the crimes listed.

Not sure what severity of punishment has to do with anything.

Those statistics may not be accurate.  Women are rarely arrested or prosecuted for child molestation in all but the most blatant and obvious cases.  And even in obvious cases, people don't always act against them.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=734_1399423969 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=734_1399423969)

As for the severity of punishment, it demonstrates the fact that female child molesters aren't taken as seriously as male child molesters, which ties into the aforementioned flawed statistical analysis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 14, 2015, 12:25:32 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 13, 2015, 01:55:22 pm
Those statistics may not be accurate.  Women are rarely arrested or prosecuted for child molestation in all but the most blatant and obvious cases.  And even in obvious cases, people don't always act against them.

Ok, but we have to work with what we have. Can you make an argument as to why this effect should be big enough to actually reverse the trend compared to the statistics that exist right now?

Do you at least acknowledge that "most child abusers are women" is not actually a strong argument for "most child sexual abusers are women"?

Quote
As for the severity of punishment, it demonstrates the fact that female child molesters aren't taken as seriously as male child molesters, which ties into the aforementioned flawed statistical analysis.

Fair point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 14, 2015, 09:21:42 am
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a7bZzBx_700b.jpg)

here's a gender when it's too much of a hassle to have a gender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 14, 2015, 09:42:43 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 14, 2015, 12:25:32 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 13, 2015, 01:55:22 pm
Those statistics may not be accurate.  Women are rarely arrested or prosecuted for child molestation in all but the most blatant and obvious cases.  And even in obvious cases, people don't always act against them.

Ok, but we have to work with what we have. Can you make an argument as to why this effect should be big enough to actually reverse the trend compared to the statistics that exist right now?

Do you at least acknowledge that "most child abusers are women" is not actually a strong argument for "most child sexual abusers are women"?

Why should we assume that most child molesters are men?  It doesn't seem to follow, given that most child abusers and child murderers are women.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/227441/children-most-often-killed-mothers (http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/227441/children-most-often-killed-mothers)

To me, it just seems logical that the same is true of child molesters.  But I'm willing to acknowledge that I might be wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on July 14, 2015, 12:27:53 pm
They do though, UP. Go to a playground and have a seat on a bench for a little while and look at the moms. Don't stare but look at the moms' faces. Then have a lady you know do the same thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 14, 2015, 12:54:36 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/242wtnq.jpg)

Well, they're right in saying that he didn't have a funeral... because he's still alive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Giunta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Giunta)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 14, 2015, 01:04:54 pm
he's a medal of honor recipient awarded for his tours in afghanistan, not irak. but you know, details, details...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 14, 2015, 02:55:00 pm
Most people think that the blog that posted that image is a troll blog, since they also made posts like this:

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/f092df5e2232d7ea8c4e61e4d757f87b/tumblr_n8cpdoRQLM1taxwnio1_400.jpg)

and this:

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I don’t much about the events, but all I know is a dragonkin brother was lost. Rest well, Mike Brown, I fold/bow my wings to you.

Still, troll or not, it's kinda scummy using someone's actually name and image to spread this shit.  It kinda reminds of that one time a troll came here claiming to be an actual pastor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 14, 2015, 08:40:23 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 14, 2015, 09:42:43 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 14, 2015, 12:25:32 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 13, 2015, 01:55:22 pm
Those statistics may not be accurate.  Women are rarely arrested or prosecuted for child molestation in all but the most blatant and obvious cases.  And even in obvious cases, people don't always act against them.

Ok, but we have to work with what we have. Can you make an argument as to why this effect should be big enough to actually reverse the trend compared to the statistics that exist right now?

Do you at least acknowledge that "most child abusers are women" is not actually a strong argument for "most child sexual abusers are women"?

Why should we assume that most child molesters are men?  It doesn't seem to follow, given that most child abusers and child murderers are women.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/227441/children-most-often-killed-mothers (http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/227441/children-most-often-killed-mothers)

To me, it just seems logical that the same is true of child molesters.  But I'm willing to acknowledge that I might be wrong.

Because

A) That's what the statistics we actually have say, and you haven't provided a decent argument as to why we should assume women are so undercounted as to reverse the trend.

B) To mirror your "most child abusers are women" argument, most sexual abusers are men. So why do you assume the relevant supercategory of "child sexual abuse" is "child abuse" and not "sexual abuse"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 14, 2015, 09:40:34 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 14, 2015, 08:40:23 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 14, 2015, 09:42:43 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 14, 2015, 12:25:32 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 13, 2015, 01:55:22 pm
Those statistics may not be accurate.  Women are rarely arrested or prosecuted for child molestation in all but the most blatant and obvious cases.  And even in obvious cases, people don't always act against them.

Ok, but we have to work with what we have. Can you make an argument as to why this effect should be big enough to actually reverse the trend compared to the statistics that exist right now?

Do you at least acknowledge that "most child abusers are women" is not actually a strong argument for "most child sexual abusers are women"?

Why should we assume that most child molesters are men?  It doesn't seem to follow, given that most child abusers and child murderers are women.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/227441/children-most-often-killed-mothers (http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/227441/children-most-often-killed-mothers)

To me, it just seems logical that the same is true of child molesters.  But I'm willing to acknowledge that I might be wrong.

Because

A) That's what the statistics we actually have say, and you haven't provided a decent argument as to why we should assume women are so undercounted as to reverse the trend.

B) To mirror your "most child abusers are women" argument, most sexual abusers are men. So why do you assume the relevant supercategory of "child sexual abuse" is "child abuse" and not "sexual abuse"?

A.  There are many, many researchers and academics who concur on this point.  One example is Steven B. Blum, a consulting psychologist to a sex offender program in Nebraska.  Zoe Hilton of the NSPCC is another.  And here's an eye-opening bit of muckraking:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/taboo-tolerance/female-sexual-abuse-the-untold-story-of-societys-last-taboo-1767688.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/taboo-tolerance/female-sexual-abuse-the-untold-story-of-societys-last-taboo-1767688.html)

B.  Most murderers are men, but the majority of child killers are women.  There is every reason to apply the same logic to sex offenders.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 15, 2015, 12:03:53 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 14, 2015, 09:40:34 pm
Because

A) That's what the statistics we actually have say, and you haven't provided a decent argument as to why we should assume women are so undercounted as to reverse the trend.

B) To mirror your "most child abusers are women" argument, most sexual abusers are men. So why do you assume the relevant supercategory of "child sexual abuse" is "child abuse" and not "sexual abuse"?

A.  There are many, many researchers and academics who concur on this point.  One example is Steven B. Blum, a consulting psychologist to a sex offender program in Nebraska.  Zoe Hilton of the NSPCC is another.  And here's an eye-opening bit of muckraking:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/taboo-tolerance/female-sexual-abuse-the-untold-story-of-societys-last-taboo-1767688.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/taboo-tolerance/female-sexual-abuse-the-untold-story-of-societys-last-taboo-1767688.html)[/quote]

Cites for those two, please? I can find a lot of comments saying that female sexual abuse is under-reported and I'm certain that's true. I cannot find anything suggesting the under-reporting is so bad that the real figure is over 50%.

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B.  Most murderers are men, but the majority of child killers are women.  There is every reason to apply the same logic to sex offenders.

Actually, I looked into that a bit further, and I'm not sure that's true. Women are more likely to kill infants up to the first week of life, but men are more likely to kill after that. (source (http://www.childtrends.org/?indicators=infant-homicide)). Most infant death happens in that period, contributing to the numbers for murderesses over murderers, but overall there are more men, I think. Couldn't find good numbers on that.

Anyway, it seems clear that women as child killers are mostly driven by effects during the first week after birth, probably postpartum psychosis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_psychosis) or related phenomena. Even if it was true that women are more likely to kill children than men* it's because of a specific effect that doesn't transfer to the sexual abuse scenario.

*Your source doesn't even say that, it just says that mothers are the highest risk group at 45%, not stating if there are any other women killers to fill the needed 5% to reach parity. It's a pretty small sample, too, only 101 victims.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 15, 2015, 10:37:49 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 15, 2015, 12:03:53 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 14, 2015, 09:40:34 pm
Because

A) That's what the statistics we actually have say, and you haven't provided a decent argument as to why we should assume women are so undercounted as to reverse the trend.

B) To mirror your "most child abusers are women" argument, most sexual abusers are men. So why do you assume the relevant supercategory of "child sexual abuse" is "child abuse" and not "sexual abuse"?

A.  There are many, many researchers and academics who concur on this point.  One example is Steven B. Blum, a consulting psychologist to a sex offender program in Nebraska.  Zoe Hilton of the NSPCC is another.  And here's an eye-opening bit of muckraking:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/taboo-tolerance/female-sexual-abuse-the-untold-story-of-societys-last-taboo-1767688.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/taboo-tolerance/female-sexual-abuse-the-untold-story-of-societys-last-taboo-1767688.html)

Cites for those two, please? I can find a lot of comments saying that female sexual abuse is under-reported and I'm certain that's true. I cannot find anything suggesting the under-reporting is so bad that the real figure is over 50%.

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B.  Most murderers are men, but the majority of child killers are women.  There is every reason to apply the same logic to sex offenders.

Actually, I looked into that a bit further, and I'm not sure that's true. Women are more likely to kill infants up to the first week of life, but men are more likely to kill after that. (source (http://www.childtrends.org/?indicators=infant-homicide)). Most infant death happens in that period, contributing to the numbers for murderesses over murderers, but overall there are more men, I think. Couldn't find good numbers on that.

Anyway, it seems clear that women as child killers are mostly driven by effects during the first week after birth, probably postpartum psychosis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_psychosis) or related phenomena. Even if it was true that women are more likely to kill children than men* it's because of a specific effect that doesn't transfer to the sexual abuse scenario.

*Your source doesn't even say that, it just says that mothers are the highest risk group at 45%, not stating if there are any other women killers to fill the needed 5% to reach parity. It's a pretty small sample, too, only 101 victims.
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I think this deserves its own thread.

But anyway, here's some idiocy:

Quote
Integration, is one of the worst things to ever happen to Black people, and is the worst thing we continue to let happen.
-Unite as a people first.
-Build ourselves up first,
-Build our wealth/Finances
-Get rid of our unemployment rate. 
-Strengthen our Black Families (stop all that side bitch/hoe nonesense)
-Fall in Love with our men and women and date and marry out own Black Women and Men.
-Strengthen our black neighborhoods.

They’ve done it themselves. And they’ll call you Racist for even thinking of doing it.  The “New Black” fails to see that’s hes what’s being destroyed as he leaves his/her history behind trying to forget the past. Not knowing that we’re all, as blacks currently living in the past. They’ve convinced them that Racism is over now that its more silent. We’re many steps behind them and unequal in their, but they preach equality to get you to move on and not get what their race already has. They’re all well built families and well gathered to the point where they’re together all the time, in businesses and family wise. But they’ve got us separated to the point, that they can make us sing and come together Only when one of our people die/get shot. And when it’s over we disperse. We’re not going to get anything accomplished this way.

Integration, is one of the worst things to ever happen to Black people. A race that lives in the same place as its oppressors and lives their oppressors way, and working for their oppressors, and stay unequal without building solely for their people, are a people that will be erased, slowly. They killed Malcom X for speaking these words, because they know. There is a reason Black Wall Street was Bombed and Burned down.

Where do I even begin with this nonsense?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 15, 2015, 10:45:54 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 15, 2015, 10:37:49 am
But anyway, here's some idiocy:

Quote
Integration, is one of the worst things to ever happen to Black people, and is the worst thing we continue to let happen.
-Unite as a people first.
-Build ourselves up first,
-Build our wealth/Finances
-Get rid of our unemployment rate. 
-Strengthen our Black Families (stop all that side bitch/hoe nonesense)
-Fall in Love with our men and women and date and marry out own Black Women and Men.
-Strengthen our black neighborhoods.

They’ve done it themselves. And they’ll call you Racist for even thinking of doing it.  The “New Black” fails to see that’s hes what’s being destroyed as he leaves his/her history behind trying to forget the past. Not knowing that we’re all, as blacks currently living in the past. They’ve convinced them that Racism is over now that its more silent. We’re many steps behind them and unequal in their, but they preach equality to get you to move on and not get what their race already has. They’re all well built families and well gathered to the point where they’re together all the time, in businesses and family wise. But they’ve got us separated to the point, that they can make us sing and come together Only when one of our people die/get shot. And when it’s over we disperse. We’re not going to get anything accomplished this way.

Integration, is one of the worst things to ever happen to Black people. A race that lives in the same place as its oppressors and lives their oppressors way, and working for their oppressors, and stay unequal without building solely for their people, are a people that will be erased, slowly. They killed Malcom X for speaking these words, because they know. There is a reason Black Wall Street was Bombed and Burned down.

Where do I even begin with this nonsense?

you know what's wrong with the world? racist people see things way too frequently as black and white.  (i'll get my hat)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 15, 2015, 12:11:37 pm
Can the racists make up their minds on which "races" are being bred out of the gene pool?  Get yer fucking story straight, at least.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 15, 2015, 01:15:42 pm
Please tell me I just can't brain today, because to me it seems like you are demanding that racists would get together and decide which of their races is the "master race" and which are the untersmensch that try to spoil their pure bloodline.

That is like asking rabid Soccer fans to decide which of the teams is the best one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 15, 2015, 07:07:02 pm
Quote from: askold on July 15, 2015, 01:15:42 pm
Please tell me I just can't brain today, because to me it seems like you are demanding that racists would get together and decide which of their races is the "master race" and which are the untersmensch that try to spoil their pure bloodline.

That is like asking rabid Soccer fans to decide which of the teams is the best one.

I would like that very much, too.  As well every other sports team.  It'd settle a lot of annoying, pointless disputes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 15, 2015, 07:52:12 pm
I'd imagine there would be a lot of gratuitous German and really, really bad Movie Nazi impressions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 16, 2015, 08:05:08 am
If that's what it takes for obnoxious sports fans to finally shut the hell up, so be it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 16, 2015, 05:19:05 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/16ggwuu.jpg)

When Justin freaking Bieber is a voice of reason, you should probably start rethinking your life choices.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 19, 2015, 05:58:01 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/6thgt5.jpg)

This is an ex-toucan.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 19, 2015, 06:10:30 pm
Isn't Egypt's economy largely supported by tourism?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 20, 2015, 11:08:57 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/5dv3vt.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 20, 2015, 03:07:29 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 19, 2015, 05:58:01 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/6thgt5.jpg)

This is an ex-toucan.
I'm going to South America soon, does this make me literally Lothar von Trotha?


Also, countries spend millions to get rich poeple to come to their countries. If anything people who tag stuff as "Travel" are helping those countries by helping grow the economy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 20, 2015, 04:58:45 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/zvz8lu.jpg)

It's Chris Pratt all over again.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 20, 2015, 09:07:08 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on July 20, 2015, 03:07:29 pm
I'm going to South America soon, does this make me literally Lothar von Trotha?

Yes. Also, which part?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on July 20, 2015, 10:07:58 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 20, 2015, 04:58:45 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/zvz8lu.jpg)

It's Chris Pratt all over again.

Have these idiots never heard of a fucking tan? Cause last I checked white people especially pale white people can become pretty fucking brown when you're in the sun longer than ten minutes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 20, 2015, 11:19:41 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/6gbqyc.jpg)

You forgot the trigger warning for anti-intellectualism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 20, 2015, 11:29:15 pm
Please Consider.

Hm...No, I won't consider.

Reading as "Racism". Wow.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 21, 2015, 02:03:45 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 20, 2015, 09:07:08 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on July 20, 2015, 03:07:29 pm
I'm going to South America soon, does this make me literally Lothar von Trotha?

Yes. Also, which part?
Chile
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 21, 2015, 03:31:33 am
(https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11401501_467837603397246_1050766006531381463_n.jpg?oh=706fcc171c30a8df6054c4b4890634e2&oe=564EB6A1)

The hypocrisy in the latter article is off the charts. Not only is she complaining about the lack of attention, she also complains that her desire for attention is a form of oppression...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 21, 2015, 06:48:49 pm
Quote from: Zygarde on July 20, 2015, 10:07:58 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 20, 2015, 04:58:45 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/zvz8lu.jpg)

It's Chris Pratt all over again.

Have these idiots never heard of a fucking tan? Cause last I checked white people especially pale white people can become pretty fucking brown when you're in the sun longer than ten minutes.

Tumblr has this....issue.  And I can't put my finger on what to call it.

Ironbite-well other then dumb fucking shit nobody gives a shit about.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 21, 2015, 11:56:46 pm
Quote from: askold on July 21, 2015, 03:31:33 am
(https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11401501_467837603397246_1050766006531381463_n.jpg?oh=706fcc171c30a8df6054c4b4890634e2&oe=564EB6A1)

The hypocrisy in the latter article is off the charts. Not only is she complaining about the lack of attention, she also complains that her desire for attention is a form of oppression...

I don't see the hypocrisy. She thinks catcalling sucks. She also has an internalised subconscious feeling that getting catcalled less means she's less desirable and this bothers her. She doesn't endorse this feeling, but she has it anyway, because that's how feelings work.

Your feelings not agreeing with your ideals is not hypocrisy, it's being a human being.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 23, 2015, 12:21:47 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/70f7tj.jpg)

You're right, it's not reverse discrimination.  It's discrimination.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 23, 2015, 01:05:48 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 23, 2015, 12:21:47 pm
You're right, it's not reverse discrimination.  It's discrimination.

Are you just trying to be offended by things that don't happen in reality, UP?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 23, 2015, 01:09:09 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on July 23, 2015, 01:05:48 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 23, 2015, 12:21:47 pm
You're right, it's not reverse discrimination.  It's discrimination.

Are you just trying to be offended by things that don't happen in reality, UP?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11565564/Body-image-My-size-zero-life-being-skinny-shamed-by-my-friends.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11565564/Body-image-My-size-zero-life-being-skinny-shamed-by-my-friends.html)

You were saying?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 23, 2015, 01:11:44 pm
I was saying you're full of shit.

Spare me the sob-stories from UK tabloids.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 23, 2015, 01:21:09 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on July 23, 2015, 01:11:44 pm
I was saying you're full of shit.

Spare me the sob-stories from UK tabloids.

The Daily Telegraph is not a tabloid.

But I guess I can see where you're coming from.  You want more sources?  Fine:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/08/lane-bryant-imnoangel-ad-campaign-might-be-bullying-skinny-women/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/08/lane-bryant-imnoangel-ad-campaign-might-be-bullying-skinny-women/)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/articles/2013/08/19/emma-woolf-on-the-view-from-london-why-is-skinny-shaming-ok-when-fat-shaming-is-not.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/articles/2013/08/19/emma-woolf-on-the-view-from-london-why-is-skinny-shaming-ok-when-fat-shaming-is-not.html)

http://www.chalenejohnson.com/podcasts/way-too-skinny-why-skinny-shaming-is-accepted/ (http://www.chalenejohnson.com/podcasts/way-too-skinny-why-skinny-shaming-is-accepted/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on July 23, 2015, 01:32:56 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 23, 2015, 01:21:09 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on July 23, 2015, 01:11:44 pm
I was saying you're full of shit.

Spare me the sob-stories from UK tabloids.

The Daily Telegraph is not a tabloid.

But I guess I can see where you're coming from.  You want more sources?  Fine:

I don't really want a wall of links, no. You seem to have missed that critical part of citation etiquette where you give a summary of the points the linked article makes so that I don't have to figure out what you meant.

Come to think of it, your linkspamming habit reminds me of those reactionary *-gates you get so caught up in.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on July 23, 2015, 01:50:41 pm
So, what does this mean, are ya'll gonna fuck or what?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 23, 2015, 03:03:50 pm
Me go for it.  After I got through him it's like a jumbo jet going down the grand canyon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 23, 2015, 07:37:38 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 23, 2015, 12:21:47 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/70f7tj.jpg)

You're right, it's not reverse discrimination.  It's discrimination.

Overall, the article isn't terrible? I mean, I disagree with the conclusion, but it at least shows some awareness that skinny-shaming is not ok and the author appears to genuinely understand that it's not so simple as to say "'reverse discrimination doesn't exist lol".

The main argument appears to be that fat-shamingis worse than skinny-shaming, because while they are both forms of sexism fat-shaming is at the intersection of fatphobia and sexism, and so it gets more Oppression Points. (the other argument is the standard your suffering is bad but it isn't as bad as this other form of suffering because it isn't Structural Oppression".

I don't think that's a productive way to look at intersectionality, and frankly the whole idea that we need to rank different forms of shaming from best to worst is rather dumb. The entire category of behaviours containing fat- and skinny-shaming is stupid. It's harmful. How much it hurts you depends more on who you are than anything else. Trying to say, "yes but this is worse In General because this structure here" erases individual experiences, or whatever the latest sj-buzzword for that is.

But here's the part that actually bothered me rather than just disagreeing with it. I tried to track down that article but the only version that exists right now is "4 Reasons Why We Need to Stop Thinking of Skinny-Shaming as ‘Reverse Discrimination’ (http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/skinny-shaming-not-reverse-discrimination/)"

If you track down the old version (https://web.archive.org/web/20150308185012/http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/skinny-shaming-not-reverse-discrimination/), you'll notice the reason that got deleted is that "It Can Be Used as a Tool Against Oppressive Structures". In other words, "skinny bitch" is in the same category as "white devil", and apparently that's a good thing. Because if you throw it in people's faces they'll stop being so oppressive of fat people, somehow.

At least it's nice that they removed that,  but it's disingenuous that they left no mention of it in the currently available version. A simple "Editorial comment: a previous version of this article blah blah blah" would've sufficed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 24, 2015, 08:22:36 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/a47mgk.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on July 24, 2015, 09:02:22 am
But apparently we still get paid more so how much better are women, really?

BASIC BITCHES = 0 THE PATRIARCHY = 1
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on July 24, 2015, 05:19:28 pm
Seems Femitheist Divine is getting some followers.

Hopefully not enough to become some sort of weird Wo-Manson Family!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 26, 2015, 12:52:05 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/5kft39.jpg)

Do you even know how colorblindness works?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 26, 2015, 03:19:11 pm
I wasn't sure to whether to put this here or Things People Say:

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/4b5fef052f3d7aaf2c5daf163d76e1bd/tumblr_nrp8kdYdWG1s2yllmo1_540.jpg)

Yes, because it was totally the fault of the passengers, even the children, that White Star Liner or whoever was in charge had racist policies.  They totally deserved to drown and freeze to death.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 26, 2015, 03:34:23 pm
Not to mention that there actually were black people on the RMS Titanic.  Very few, but still.

She also carried a surprising number of Chinese and Middle Eastern passengers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 26, 2015, 04:42:55 pm
Uh......wait what?  No seriously, who else was gonna work the engine room?

Ironbite-the Irish?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on July 26, 2015, 04:45:14 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 26, 2015, 04:42:55 pm
Uh......wait what?  No seriously, who else was gonna work the engine room?

Ironbite-the Irish?

Considering the time period and the fact this is Great Britain we're talking about, that's actually a possibility,
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 27, 2015, 10:16:53 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/mhwqqv.jpg)

White guilt's a hell of a drug.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on July 27, 2015, 03:32:49 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on July 26, 2015, 03:19:11 pm
(https://36.media.tumblr.com/4b5fef052f3d7aaf2c5daf163d76e1bd/tumblr_nrp8kdYdWG1s2yllmo1_540.jpg)

I just noticed the spelling. They saw Titantic. Not Titanic. ...I wonder if "Tit antic" is a porn parody.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on July 27, 2015, 04:00:11 pm
Nonono, its Titan Tic. Its about a giant clock whose sounds murder white people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 27, 2015, 06:59:32 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/33y3pxw.jpg)

It's a fundamental human right to refuse sex to anyone for any reason at any time.  How hard is that to understand?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 29, 2015, 11:33:17 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/10znwpv.jpg)

So you're telling me that because one boy was playing with toys the way lots of kids play with toys you hate all men?  What a fuck you are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 29, 2015, 06:50:13 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 29, 2015, 11:33:17 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/10znwpv.jpg)

So you're telling me that because one boy was playing with toys the way lots of kids play with toys you hate all men?  What a fuck you are.

Conveniently, the person taking that screenshot left out such tags as "#I will never answer this question seriously ever again" and  "#sarcasm".

(evidence!) (http://geekandmisandry.tumblr.com/post/120097244235/why-do-you-hate-men)

UP, this is not the first time (or second, or third...) that I've pointed out that you were reacting to a joke as though it was serious. Maybe keep that in mind next time you think you've found a damning quote on tumblr?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 30, 2015, 09:27:17 am
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/agNGyzx_700b.jpg)
this is silly for many reasons. as usual, the intended meaning is sweet, but it comes off as a limping call to attention. for wit, if you choose not to commit suicide, or you do, it's not a tattoo that will change it. most suicidals hide their tendencies (i'm open about it, but that's because i find it therapeutic and i have understanding friends that know that i will leave them one day by my hand, rather than by happenstance, as it helps me keep control of my destiny and urges). saying that you choose not to commit suicide is like abstaining from food when you're not hungry. it does nothing to suicidals (who don't care and in some cases don't want help), and it's too obscure a reference for a layman to get. so it doesn't exactly raise awareness.

oh, and suicidal tendencies =/= mental illness, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 30, 2015, 11:48:01 am
Wow.  Really?  Just really?  You're gonna take that track?

Ironbite-ok then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheContrarian on July 30, 2015, 12:59:50 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 29, 2015, 06:50:13 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 29, 2015, 11:33:17 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/10znwpv.jpg)

So you're telling me that because one boy was playing with toys the way lots of kids play with toys you hate all men?  What a fuck you are.

Conveniently, the person taking that screenshot left out such tags as "#I will never answer this question seriously ever again" and  "#sarcasm".

(evidence!) (http://geekandmisandry.tumblr.com/post/120097244235/why-do-you-hate-men)

UP, this is not the first time (or second, or third...) that I've pointed out that you were reacting to a joke as though it was serious. Maybe keep that in mind next time you think you've found a damning quote on tumblr?

Oh, the "they were just kidding" defense.

Somehow I get the feeling that wouldn't be accepted if the genders were reversed...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on July 30, 2015, 01:31:45 pm
If it was said in the original post that they were being sarcastic?  It'd likely be accepted,  though it would also be noted that it was in poor taste, but still possibly funny, depending on who you are. Which I do here as well. That joke was in poor taste, though still funny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on July 30, 2015, 02:05:30 pm
Quote from: TheContrarian on July 30, 2015, 12:59:50 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on July 29, 2015, 06:50:13 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 29, 2015, 11:33:17 am
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/10znwpv.jpg)

So you're telling me that because one boy was playing with toys the way lots of kids play with toys you hate all men?  What a fuck you are.

Conveniently, the person taking that screenshot left out such tags as "#I will never answer this question seriously ever again" and  "#sarcasm".

(evidence!) (http://geekandmisandry.tumblr.com/post/120097244235/why-do-you-hate-men)

UP, this is not the first time (or second, or third...) that I've pointed out that you were reacting to a joke as though it was serious. Maybe keep that in mind next time you think you've found a damning quote on tumblr?

Oh, the "they were just kidding" defense.

Somehow I get the feeling that wouldn't be accepted if the genders were reversed...

Congratulations, you are wrong.

She was, in fact, just kidding. This is clear from the phrasing and made obvious in the tags. Therefore, treating it as an opinion seriously held is dumb.

Y'know how I didn't say "plus she is a woman and so as an oppressed minority she is always right"? That's because gender is entirely irrelevant to this discussion. If someone running an MRA blog made a post with a sarcastic reply to someone accusing them of hating women, I would also say it's dumb to treat a joke as if it was their actual opinion. Because it is.

Would other people think the "just kidding" defence only applies to one of those cases? Probably! People believe all sorts of weird things. But I individually am willing to defend the right to make sarcastic comments no matter what your gender or ideological affiliation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 30, 2015, 02:56:39 pm
Remember the "Kimono controversy"?  Well, the Japanese are having none of it:

https://archive.is/vXNFc (https://archive.is/vXNFc)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on July 30, 2015, 03:50:34 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 30, 2015, 02:56:39 pm
Remember the "Kimono controversy"?  Well, the Japanese are having none of it:

https://archive.is/vXNFc (https://archive.is/vXNFc)

I heard about this recently on tumblr, and multiple people brought up a theory that I've actually been thinking about for quite some time before this; the people who do these protests are either white or x-Americans, not x-nationals (Japanese in this case).  Basically, nationals aren't as sensitive about white people using their culture as Americans are because they live in a country where they and their culture are the majority, and don't face the prejudices that those in a white-majority nation like the US do; x-Americans are therefore much more protective over their heritage, and hold onto it tighter.

Of course, this just leads to more heated debates about "who has more authority" and who's "talking over" who, as well as ignoring things like the tourism industry (which brings in a lot of money for many countries popular with "white people") and the unfortunate implications that nationals have less of a voice than Americans do about their own culture when it comes to "cultural appropriation".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on July 30, 2015, 04:51:24 pm
Quote from: guizonde on July 30, 2015, 09:27:17 am
[snip]
this is silly for many reasons. as usual, the intended meaning is sweet, but it comes off as a limping call to attention. for wit, if you choose not to commit suicide, or you do, it's not a tattoo that will change it. most suicidals hide their tendencies (i'm open about it, but that's because i find it therapeutic and i have understanding friends that know that i will leave them one day by my hand, rather than by happenstance, as it helps me keep control of my destiny and urges). saying that you choose not to commit suicide is like abstaining from food when you're not hungry. it does nothing to suicidals (who don't care and in some cases don't want help), and it's too obscure a reference for a layman to get. so it doesn't exactly raise awareness.

oh, and suicidal tendencies =/= mental illness, and vice versa.
I just think it's cheesy. I mean, it's a nice sentiment, but I can't imagine a schmaltzy tattoo doing anyone a whole lot of good.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 30, 2015, 05:00:09 pm
Quote from: ironbite on July 30, 2015, 11:48:01 am
Wow.  Really?  Just really?  You're gonna take that track?

Ironbite-ok then.

what do you mean? in reference to what?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 30, 2015, 08:08:49 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/30abea0.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on July 30, 2015, 08:20:38 pm
Actually, what they're saying is more like "Hurr, these people have hobbies that are different from mine at that age! This makes me angry!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 30, 2015, 11:43:25 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2le5nok.jpg)

First white hipsters, now white hippies.  What's next, are they gonna insult white beatniks?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on July 31, 2015, 08:01:26 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 30, 2015, 11:43:25 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2le5nok.jpg)

First white hipsters, now white hippies.  What's next, are they gonna insult white beatniks?

studies show that cultural appropriation is harmful? having dreads is hurting others?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 31, 2015, 03:07:38 pm
https://archive.is/CPcjH (https://archive.is/CPcjH)

"Ugh, white people need to just die, they aren't even equipped to eat spicy foods that's like evolution just die already ughhhhh."

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/nxu9go.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on July 31, 2015, 04:19:51 pm
 while they were hardly being non-assholes I wouldn't say they think white people should die.

Anyway, the reason the girl nearly died was because she had asthma, I geuss that means she's just a weak bitch.

Edit: I'd also like to take a moment and saying hate this type of clickbait.
It's like the story where they said "Overweight kid goes to school remotely" never mind the fact they couldn't go to school was because they were fatally allergic to peanuts and them being fat had fuck all to do with it, but why let details get in the way of bullying disabled kids, amiright?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 01, 2015, 05:56:29 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/289aonn.jpg)

I'd love to see one of these fuckers say this to a starving Somalian child.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 01, 2015, 07:26:27 pm
I'm pretty sure the starving child's justification would be "I'm a starving child and this is the food I have available", not "animals are yummy!". Well, they are a child, so maybe, but you get my point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 01, 2015, 08:56:59 pm
To a radical vegan, the two justifications are the same.  They are completely incapable of seeing beyond their narrow, privileged views.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 01, 2015, 09:22:20 pm
That, or the most cold-blooded, nihilistic ones would argue the child deserves to suffer and die for eating animals at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 02, 2015, 06:31:27 am
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on August 02, 2015, 09:56:17 am
Gee, she had me until the second to last frame.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 02, 2015, 11:02:53 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2crq7uw.jpg)

Idiot: YOU CAN'T WEIGH ME

Doctor: Well fuck I guess I'll just have to guess on this dosage and/or diagnosis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on August 02, 2015, 03:51:25 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 02, 2015, 11:02:53 am
-snip-

Idiot: YOU CAN'T WEIGH ME

Doctor: Well fuck I guess I'll just have to guess on this dosage and/or diagnosis.

Yeah, they have a response to that. (http://ok2befat.com/post/123542085734/you-have-the-option-to-tell-your-doctors-office)

I've seen the notes of this post, and one person even unironically asked if they could refuse having their blood pressure taken, too.  Even if you agree that being weighed isn't important, I'm pretty sure your blood pressure is.  It's like you can't even imply that weight might be a contributing factor to a health problem, let alone a cause.

It sometimes feels like the message went from "being overweight may not actually have an affect on your personal health as an individual and sometimes society and doctors assume it does when it doesn't because of bias" to "obesity absolutely does not have any negative health affects ever in any situation".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 02, 2015, 07:11:33 pm
(https://www.clipular.com/c/5232122385137664.png?k=aPDFJ4xIUgGzdmFse3sY-ToiYw4)
Words are meaningless and I'm ready to die.

EDIT:
(http://sjwiki.org/images/1/1c/Trans_umbrella.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on August 02, 2015, 08:38:40 pm
Quote from: Ghoti
  • Transexual and transvestite are generally considered to be outdated at best, and slurs at worst. Quit using them.

Unless you're talking about/referencing Rocky Horror, of course.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 02, 2015, 08:54:13 pm
Quote from: Svata on August 02, 2015, 08:38:40 pm
Quote from: Ghoti
  • Transexual and transvestite are generally considered to be outdated at best, and slurs at worst. Quit using them.

Unless you're talking about/referencing Rocky Horror, of course.
...eh, even then, it's iffy. I'd liken it to using the n-word when talking about/referencing The Boondocks, for example.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on August 02, 2015, 09:20:40 pm
Fair enough,  I suppose.  You're more qualified to say than me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 02, 2015, 09:26:31 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on August 02, 2015, 07:11:33 pm
(https://www.clipular.com/c/5232122385137664.png?k=aPDFJ4xIUgGzdmFse3sY-ToiYw4)
Words are meaningless and I'm ready to Die.
To be fair straight people are attracted to people of the same gender from time to time.

I was confused why the second was bad then I noticed the "feminine men/masculine woman" part.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on August 02, 2015, 09:31:37 pm
I did some digging on the blue tumblr post above, and here's another post they made:

Quote
butches are not always women. i am a transmasculine butch and for many years i was read primarily as a queer woman. i identified as a lesbian both because i love women and because that was where i found acceptance of my gender. i have been in relationships with lesbians, so to say that lesbians can never be attracted to men invalidates either their sexuality or my gender. that’s where i’m coming from.

 if you want to tell me that i, personally, should stop call myself a lesbian because of my gender, i can understand that. doesn’t mean bi lesbians don’t exist though.

certainly not all bi women are lesbians and most lesbians aren’t bi and can very well go their whole lives without ever being attracted to a man. but there are bi lesbians out there, and there are lesbians who wouldn’t call themselves bi but have at some point or another been attracted to someone who’s not a woman. all i want is to leave room for this nuance.

And here's their bio:

Quote
20, phlegmatic, they/them or he/him

So, a person who, on some level, identifies as a man, identifying as a lesbian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 02, 2015, 09:34:13 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on August 02, 2015, 09:31:37 pm
So, a person who, on some level, identifies as a man, identifying as a lesbian.

well, by a certain twisted logic, a lesbian is a person attracted to women, ergo straight males can be lesbians... i'm not saying it's good logic, just that there's a logic behind it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 02, 2015, 09:52:41 pm
Quote from: guizonde on August 02, 2015, 09:34:13 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on August 02, 2015, 09:31:37 pm
So, a person who, on some level, identifies as a man, identifying as a lesbian.

well, by a certain twisted logic, a lesbian is a person attracted to women, ergo straight males can be lesbians... i'm not saying it's good logic, just that there's a logic behind it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCTbFN0EsDM
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on August 03, 2015, 11:42:43 am
Quote from: Ghoti on August 02, 2015, 08:54:13 pm
Quote from: Svata on August 02, 2015, 08:38:40 pm
Quote from: Ghoti
  • Transexual and transvestite are generally considered to be outdated at best, and slurs at worst. Quit using them.

Unless you're talking about/referencing Rocky Horror, of course.
...eh, even then, it's iffy. I'd liken it to using the n-word when talking about/referencing The Boondocks, for example.

And now I've got the line "sweet transvestite from transsexual Transylvania" stuck in my head.

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on August 03, 2015, 11:48:45 am
No problem. Any time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on August 03, 2015, 12:28:10 pm
I'd also like to mention that every once and a while it randomly gets replaced with

LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 03, 2015, 04:19:26 pm
And they've driven Troy Baker off Twitter:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/07/22/voice-actor-troy-baker-quits-twitter/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/07/22/voice-actor-troy-baker-quits-twitter/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on August 03, 2015, 04:35:21 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/free-speech-on-the-run-even-in-the-home-of-the-brave-1.3084507

A few months old, but relevant. Witness the rise of the illiberal left.

Quote
Legally protected speech, no matter how offensive, is a glorious and uniquely American invention, a gift to the marketplace of ideas and an example to the world.

Coming from a journalist — me — that statement should not be even mildly controversial.

Increasingly, though, such a statement is being reviled even here in the U.S. as archaic, revanchist, bigoted, paternalistic, reactionary, sexist, probably tinged with racism or just out of tune with modern thought.

That would be no surprise in Canada or European nations where the impulse to regulate real or imagined insult, using hate speech laws, human rights commissions and the like, can trump free speech.

But in today's America, the domain of constitutionally protected expression, anti-free-speech forces are stepping up co-ordinated attacks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on August 03, 2015, 04:53:22 pm
Quote from: dpareja on August 03, 2015, 04:35:21 pm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/free-speech-on-the-run-even-in-the-home-of-the-brave-1.3084507

A few months old, but relevant. Witness the rise of the illiberal left.

Quote
Legally protected speech, no matter how offensive, is a glorious and uniquely American invention, a gift to the marketplace of ideas and an example to the world.

Coming from a journalist — me — that statement should not be even mildly controversial.

Increasingly, though, such a statement is being reviled even here in the U.S. as archaic, revanchist, bigoted, paternalistic, reactionary, sexist, probably tinged with racism or just out of tune with modern thought.

That would be no surprise in Canada or European nations where the impulse to regulate real or imagined insult, using hate speech laws, human rights commissions and the like, can trump free speech.

But in today's America, the domain of constitutionally protected expression, anti-free-speech forces are stepping up co-ordinated attacks.

All I got from that article was the author whining at length about how people have to deal with the consequences of the things they say.

Quote
What Kirsten Powers glosses over, though, is that not even America's guarantee of free speech safeguards anyone from consequences like shaming or termination of employment, or even expulsion from a (private) school or university.

Free speech means the government cannot arrest you for what you say. It doesn't mean anyone else has to listen to or provide a venue for your speech.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 03, 2015, 05:34:18 pm
From the article:

Quote
But in America, the trend of applying "trigger/content" warnings about emotionally disturbing material to the works of many modern and ancient literary canons also seems more widespread.

To borrow a phrase, trigger warnings are the opposite of censorship (http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/05/30/the-wonderful-thing-about-triggers/). They are a way of saying "this thing you are about to read has material some people object to/don't want to be exposed to. Instead of not letting anyone read it, we are informing you ahead of time what those things are and letting you decide, for yourself, if you want to read it or not".

Quote from: Ironchew on August 03, 2015, 04:53:22 pm
All I got from that article was the author whining at length about how people have to deal with the consequences of the things they say.
Quote
What Kirsten Powers glosses over, though, is that not even America's guarantee of free speech safeguards anyone from consequences like shaming or termination of employment, or even expulsion from a (private) school or university.
Free speech means the government cannot arrest you for what you say. It doesn't mean anyone else has to listen to or provide a venue for your speech.

Is it time to have this argument again? Oh well.

Free speech is not just the First Amendment. Free speech is also the philosophical principle that a civilized society has to allow people to have dissenting views and not be coerced into not expressing them. Protection from being thrown in jail is one aspect of free speech, but it's not the only one, because coercion can happen from non-government actors.

 If every time anyone says X they get fired from their job, people throw eggs at their house, they get letters threatening to kill them, etc. then very few people will dare say X. As a result, X vanishes from the public discourse, and funnily enough that happens no matter the truth value of X.

Speech is not free if certain opinions cannot be expressed without fear of disproportionate retaliation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on August 03, 2015, 05:49:24 pm
Government protected speech then?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 03, 2015, 06:41:58 pm
Quote from: rookie on August 03, 2015, 05:49:24 pm
Government protected speech then?

Sure, that's a reasonable name for it, but I don't object to nomenclature. I object to the idea that the only thing worth protecting speech from is the government.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 03, 2015, 10:45:13 pm
Here's Github's new Code of Conduct:

https://archive.is/gGeh7 (https://archive.is/gGeh7)

Count the red flags!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 03, 2015, 11:53:38 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 03, 2015, 10:45:13 pm
Here's Github's new Code of Conduct:

https://archive.is/gGeh7 (https://archive.is/gGeh7)

Count the red flags!

a shorter list would've been "what's allowed"...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on August 03, 2015, 11:54:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 03, 2015, 10:45:13 pm
Here's Github's new Code of Conduct:

https://archive.is/gGeh7 (https://archive.is/gGeh7)

Count the red flags!

I don't see anything objectionable in there.

I mean, sure, it'll prevent UP and his buddies from stirring up shit over there, but that means it's working as intended.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 04, 2015, 12:10:17 am
Quote
Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort.

That alone sends off alarm bells.  It's very easy to use that sentence as an excuse to preserve double standards, provided they "punch up".

Quote
We will not act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’

In other words, white male cishets are acceptable targets.

Quote
"We will not act on complaints regarding: Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts"

So radflakes will be able to carpet bomb projects at will, and can simply refuse to explain any of their actions.

Quote
"We will not act on complaints regarding: Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial"

We all know one of the most visible attributes of social justice fanatics is their rudeness.  This rule gives a lot of freedom to troublemakers.

Quote
"we explicitly honor diversity in... technical ability"

So when newcomers will no knowledge or understanding of a project start making trouble on mailing lists of bug reports, they will be protected against those who explain why they are acting like idiots.

Quote
"If someone has been harmed or offended, it is our responsibility to listen carefully and respectfully, and do our best to right the wrong."

As Stephen Fry said, offense is taken, not given.  No-one has any control over which individuals will chose to claim offense over their words.  This rule lets troublemakers escalate the most trivial issues until an administrator is forced to give in to them.

Quote
Harassment includes: Deliberate “outing” of any aspect of a person’s identity without their consent except as necessary to protect others from intentional abuse.

Doxxing is forbidden unless it's in the good name of preventing harassment of marginalized people.  Fine in theory, but this seems like it could be easily abused.  Anybody could doxx somebody and claim it's for the greater good.

And that's not even mentioning the blatant inconsistencies...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on August 04, 2015, 12:14:10 am
Yes, UP, it means you won't be able to sustain your githubgate crusade.

Excuse me while I drink your tears.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 04, 2015, 12:15:46 am
Quote from: Ironchew on August 04, 2015, 12:14:10 am
Yes, UP, it means you won't be able to sustain your githubgate crusade.

Excuse me while I drink your tears.

Go ahead.  I'm crying with laughter at how dumb they are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 04, 2015, 12:18:22 am
Quote from: Ironchew on August 04, 2015, 12:14:10 am
Yes, UP, it means you won't be able to sustain your githubgate crusade.

Excuse me while I drink your tears.

i'm sorry ironchew, but your hatred of ultie's clouding your judgement. a lot of these rules can and will be abused. hell, i'm sure he missed some of the loopholes, but those are already pretty big. i might go troll there, after all, i'm a nonconforming neuroatypical pluricultural person, so i've got free passes at dipshitery left, right, and center.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on August 04, 2015, 12:23:11 am
(http://i.imgur.com/SwvkAoT.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/AOLWXaq.gif?1)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 04, 2015, 12:26:30 am
Quote from: guizonde on August 04, 2015, 12:18:22 am
Quote from: Ironchew on August 04, 2015, 12:14:10 am
Yes, UP, it means you won't be able to sustain your githubgate crusade.

Excuse me while I drink your tears.

i'm sorry ironchew, but your hatred of ultie's clouding your judgement. a lot of these rules can and will be abused. hell, i'm sure he missed some of the loopholes, but those are already pretty big. i might go troll there, after all, i'm a nonconforming neuroatypical pluricultural person, so i've got free passes at dipshitery left, right, and center.

And take a look at this:

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150802/20330431831/github-nukes-repository-over-use-word-retard.shtml (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150802/20330431831/github-nukes-repository-over-use-word-retard.shtml)

Who wants to take bets on how long it will take for an unscrupulous open source product on Github to sneak in offensive words to get competitors removed?  Or someone starts going though hundreds of open source projects (whose opinions don't align with theirs) just to get the repos deleted and the users screwed?

I say 30 days at most.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on August 04, 2015, 12:34:16 am
And what about the purpleromantic kids, who are only romantically attracted to the colour purple?

Or the flupidoopiromantic kids, who only feel romantic attraction to someone dressed as a walrus and doing the macarena on top of a McDonalds?

Or even the hurskiloflionimaticromantic kids, who cannot feel any romantic attraction whatsoever to people with moustaches?

I mean, society these days is so oppressive, it makes me wish that ISIS would just take over the world already, so we can all live in a free and prosperous global utopia.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 04, 2015, 11:47:48 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/bj34h.jpg)

Difference is, hoes don't get 25 to life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on August 04, 2015, 12:10:57 pm
*sighs*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 04, 2015, 02:02:43 pm
Quote from: guizonde on August 04, 2015, 12:18:22 am
Quote from: Ironchew on August 04, 2015, 12:14:10 am
Yes, UP, it means you won't be able to sustain your githubgate crusade.

Excuse me while I drink your tears.

i'm sorry ironchew, but your hatred of ultie's clouding your judgement. a lot of these rules can and will be abused. hell, i'm sure he missed some of the loopholes, but those are already pretty big. i might go troll there, after all, i'm a nonconforming neuroatypical pluricultural person, so i've got free passes at dipshitery left, right, and center.

This is why I avoid the FOSS community whenever possible.  To get anything good, you have to wade thru a sea of shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on August 04, 2015, 04:08:03 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 03, 2015, 05:34:18 pm
From the article:

Quote
But in America, the trend of applying "trigger/content" warnings about emotionally disturbing material to the works of many modern and ancient literary canons also seems more widespread.

To borrow a phrase, trigger warnings are the opposite of censorship (http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/05/30/the-wonderful-thing-about-triggers/). They are a way of saying "this thing you are about to read has material some people object to/don't want to be exposed to. Instead of not letting anyone read it, we are informing you ahead of time what those things are and letting you decide, for yourself, if you want to read it or not".

Quote from: Ironchew on August 03, 2015, 04:53:22 pm
All I got from that article was the author whining at length about how people have to deal with the consequences of the things they say.
Quote
What Kirsten Powers glosses over, though, is that not even America's guarantee of free speech safeguards anyone from consequences like shaming or termination of employment, or even expulsion from a (private) school or university.
Free speech means the government cannot arrest you for what you say. It doesn't mean anyone else has to listen to or provide a venue for your speech.

Is it time to have this argument again? Oh well.

Free speech is not just the First Amendment. Free speech is also the philosophical principle that a civilized society has to allow people to have dissenting views and not be coerced into not expressing them. Protection from being thrown in jail is one aspect of free speech, but it's not the only one, because coercion can happen from non-government actors.

 If every time anyone says X they get fired from their job, people throw eggs at their house, they get letters threatening to kill them, etc. then very few people will dare say X. As a result, X vanishes from the public discourse, and funnily enough that happens no matter the truth value of X.

Speech is not free if certain opinions cannot be expressed without fear of disproportionate retaliation.

I don't think private organizations should be restricted by speech laws in their hiring and firing practices. Getting fired for having unpopular opinions is a real problem, sure, but it's a problem best addressed by bolstering our social safety net to the point that being unemployed no longer ruins an individual's life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 04, 2015, 04:54:05 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ms23kn.jpg)

Man stabs woman = institutional systematic problem that requires our full focus.

Woman stabs man = who cares about some odd stabbing?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on August 04, 2015, 06:31:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 04, 2015, 04:54:05 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ms23kn.jpg)

Man stabs woman = institutional systematic problem that requires our full focus.

Woman stabs man = who cares about some odd stabbing?

What percentage of female murder victims are killed by their domestic partner? What percentage of male murder victims are killed by their domestic partner?

Besides which the fact that he was tweeting meant that he wasn't stabbed to death. Unless of course twitter resolved the debate about the afterlife that has raged for thousands of years...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 04, 2015, 06:47:23 pm
Quote from: davedan on August 04, 2015, 06:31:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 04, 2015, 04:54:05 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ms23kn.jpg)

Man stabs woman = institutional systematic problem that requires our full focus.

Woman stabs man = who cares about some odd stabbing?

What percentage of female murder victims are killed by their domestic partner? What percentage of male murder victims are killed by their domestic partner?

Besides which the fact that he was tweeting meant that he wasn't stabbed to death. Unless of course twitter resolved the debate about the afterlife that has raged for thousands of years...

i was mentally and physically tortured for 6 months at the hands of my then girlfriend.  my case was laughed out of the police department because i should've "manned up". despite having physical scars and being sent to a mental hospital for convalescence. i want equality in punishment and recognition.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 04, 2015, 06:51:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on August 04, 2015, 04:08:03 pm
I don't think private organizations should be restricted by speech laws in their hiring and firing practices. Getting fired for having unpopular opinions is a real problem, sure, but it's a problem best addressed by bolstering our social safety net to the point that being unemployed no longer ruins an individual's life.

In a world with guaranteed basic income, or an equivalently strong social safety net, I would be totally in favour of making it legal to fire anyone for any reason. We don't live in that world.

I don't necessarily think we should have laws against firing someone over their speech, mind you, it would be a mess to implement. Something can be wrong without being illegal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 04, 2015, 08:30:05 pm
I found a long and... interesting photoset on sexuality and gender. Spoilered because of multiple large images.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 04, 2015, 08:50:46 pm
EEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

* Stereogender: Identifies as a gender stereotype, any gender stereotype.
* Capiomapiogender: Identifies as a gender that's basically an eldritch abomination - it would drive you insane to learn this person's gender.
* Boopupbagender: gender changes to whatever is needed to be flirtatious with someone.
* Benghazisexual: A sexual desire wherein one wants to have sex with a national disaster, whether it be caused by man or accident.
* Braggasexual: Attraction to people who brag a lot.
* Effaciosexual: Sexual attraction in response to people dissing you.
* Malevosexual: Sexual attraction to whoever is the evilest person in the room.

DO NOT ERASE THESE TOTALLY LEGITIMATE GENDERS AND SEXUALITIES!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 04, 2015, 08:55:11 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on August 04, 2015, 08:30:05 pm
I found a long and... interesting photoset on sexuality and gender. Spoilered because of multiple large images.

(click to show/hide)

i'm so totes a demisexual grey-ace of hearts, be friends with me [/tumblrspeak]

or in the real world, a goddamn normal human being who's not out to shtoink every goddamn person on this earth.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 04, 2015, 11:53:49 pm
According to The Mary Sue Ronda Rousey is transmisogynistic.  Why?  Because she acknowledges that a post-op transwoman would almost certainly have an advantage over female fighters.

(click to show/hide)

She's not wrong.  Gender reassignment is not a perfect art; you still have the same body structure you were born with for the most part, and that can certainly make a difference.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on August 05, 2015, 04:15:38 am
Quote from: guizonde on August 04, 2015, 06:47:23 pm
Quote from: davedan on August 04, 2015, 06:31:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 04, 2015, 04:54:05 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ms23kn.jpg)

Man stabs woman = institutional systematic problem that requires our full focus.

Woman stabs man = who cares about some odd stabbing?

What percentage of female murder victims are killed by their domestic partner? What percentage of male murder victims are killed by their domestic partner?

Besides which the fact that he was tweeting meant that he wasn't stabbed to death. Unless of course twitter resolved the debate about the afterlife that has raged for thousands of years...

i was mentally and physically tortured for 6 months at the hands of my then girlfriend.  my case was laughed out of the police department because i should've "manned up". despite having physical scars and being sent to a mental hospital for convalescence. i want equality in punishment and recognition.

I'm sorry for your experience guizonde, and not to be an arsehole, but your personal experience/anecdote doesn't answer my questions (which were to UP anyway)...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 05, 2015, 05:00:35 am
Well, after searching the web for a while, it appears that the studies mainly focus on women as the victims and everytime that men as the victims come up in an article the article also mentions that male victims are often ignored.

http://opdv.ny.gov/statistics/nationaldvdata/intparthom.html

This page says that:
a) In 2007 "Intimate partners committed 14% of all homicides in the U.S., killing an estimated 1,640 women and 700 men." But it does not mention how many of those homicides happened in same-sex partnerships. So lets just say that women are more than twice as likely to be the victim of homicide by their partner.
b) Between 1980 and 2008: "2 out of 5 female murder victims were killed by an intimate." Men make up the massive majority of murder victims and when women are killed in a homicide substantial number of those are done by their partner.
c) "The percentage of males killed by an intimate fell from 10% in 1980 to 5% in 2008, a 53% drop."

All of this does make it clear that men are much less likely to lose their life due to domestic violence BUT the numbers from all domestic violence (not just homicides) are much more even.

This article also mentions violence with same-sex couples: http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/

Quote
Critics have argued that the survey format used in most family violence studies, the Conflict Tactics Scale, is flawed and likely to miss some of the worst assaults on women—especially post-separation attacks. Yet two major studies using a different methodology—the 2000 National Violence Against Women Survey by the National Institute of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey published last February—have also found that some 40% of those reporting serious partner violence in the past year are men. (Both studies show a much larger gender gap in lifetime reports of partner violence; one possible explanation for this discrepancy is that men may be more likely to let such experiences fade from memory over time since they have less cultural support for seeing themselves as victims, particularly of female violence.)

So men are almost as likely (according to studies) to be the victims of domestic abuse but they get much less support. Most shelters are for women only, authorities are more likely to disregard their claims and more often than not male victims are blamed by most people around them. (Often someone tells them to "man up" or some feminist puts on a teachers hat and calmly explains that all his pain and suffering is caused by THE PATRIARCHY and therefore it is their own fault because they are a man.)

Quote
What about same-sex violence? The February CDC study found that, over their lifetime, 44% of lesbians had been physically assaulted by a partner (more than two-thirds of them only by women), compared to 35% of straight women, 26% of gay men, and 29% of straight men. While these figures suggest that women are somewhat less likely than men to commit partner violence, they also show a fairly small gap. The findings are consistent with other evidence that same-sex relationships are no less violent than heterosexual ones.

Again, women seem to be slightly less likely to harm their partner (but more likely to harm their children. Though this may also be because they are more likely to be around the children and have power over them.)

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 05, 2015, 05:17:42 pm
Quote from: askold on August 05, 2015, 05:00:35 am

Quote
Critics have argued that the survey format used in most family violence studies, the Conflict Tactics Scale, is flawed and likely to miss some of the worst assaults on women—especially post-separation attacks. Yet two major studies using a different methodology—the 2000 National Violence Against Women Survey by the National Institute of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey published last February—have also found that some 40% of those reporting serious partner violence in the past year are men. (Both studies show a much larger gender gap in lifetime reports of partner violence; one possible explanation for this discrepancy is that men may be more likely to let such experiences fade from memory over time since they have less cultural support for seeing themselves as victims, particularly of female violence.)

So men are almost as likely (according to studies) to be the victims of domestic abuse but they get much less support. Most shelters are for women only, authorities are more likely to disregard their claims and more often than not male victims are blamed by most people around them. (Often someone tells them to "man up" or some feminist puts on a teachers hat and calmly explains that all his pain and suffering is caused by THE PATRIARCHY and therefore it is their own fault because they are a man)
You yourself just admitted that "THE PATRIARCHY" ( or "toxic masculinity" in this case ) plays a role in discrimination against male victims.

Granted men fearing they may be seen as the aggressor plays a big role (the "but me can't get abused" mentality also plays in)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 05, 2015, 05:23:04 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on August 05, 2015, 05:17:42 pm
(the "but men can't get abused" mentality playing into that)

don't i know it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 05, 2015, 10:42:09 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 04, 2015, 11:53:49 pm
According to The Mary Sue Ronda Rousey is transmisogynistic.  Why?  Because she acknowledges that a post-op transwoman would almost certainly have an advantage over female fighters.

(click to show/hide)

She's not wrong.  Gender reassignment is not a perfect art; you still have the same body structure you were born with for the most part, and that can certainly make a difference.

Skeletal structure, but not muscle. As far as I know almost all of the advantage is gone.

I don't think it's necessairly transphobic to have that opinion, mind you, but as far as I can tell it's factually incorrect.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 05, 2015, 11:02:41 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 05, 2015, 10:42:09 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 04, 2015, 11:53:49 pm
According to The Mary Sue Ronda Rousey is transmisogynistic.  Why?  Because she acknowledges that a post-op transwoman would almost certainly have an advantage over female fighters.

(click to show/hide)

She's not wrong.  Gender reassignment is not a perfect art; you still have the same body structure you were born with for the most part, and that can certainly make a difference.

Skeletal structure, but not muscle. As far as I know almost all of the advantage is gone.

I don't think it's necessairly transphobic to have that opinion, mind you, but as far as I can tell it's factually incorrect.

Does transition therapy make you shorter?  Narrow your shoulders?  Shrink your hands?  Even with therapy, transwomen keep a lot of male physical traits that could easily give them an advantage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 05, 2015, 11:20:16 pm
No. Like I said, it preserves skeletal structure (ish, depending on when you start and how long you've been under HRT).

But I think most of the advantage is in muscle mass, and once you take that away the rest is not a big deal (compared to natural variation in cis women). I could be wrong, I'm just speculating here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on August 05, 2015, 11:32:01 pm
Rousey's comments were from two years ago. I hope she has learned a lot since then. And in any case, she and other top UFC fighters train against men every single day...and kick their asses. It's about skill and technique.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 05, 2015, 11:44:33 pm
Yeah, insisting on the old "structural inherent strength" thing is basically what Vox Day hinges his arguments on, and its well observed how faulty those are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on August 06, 2015, 12:13:18 am
Quote from: niam2023 on August 05, 2015, 11:44:33 pm
Yeah, insisting on the old "structural inherent strength" thing is basically what Vox Day hinges his arguments on, and its well observed how faulty those are.

Ideology makes strange bedfellows.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 06, 2015, 12:49:58 am
Wasn't Ultie a Sad Puppy? Wouldn't that make him and Vox Day buddies?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on August 06, 2015, 04:04:04 am
As much as I hate to defend UP - until I saw the research that the muscle mass was lost, I always thought it was like how steroids provide an unfair advantage. Because there is a residual muscle mass that remains even after you go off cycle that is never lost.

I also don't like this thing where if you don't 100% ideologically agree with someone you can't like them.  Even if you like them for something completely unrelated to their ideology like music or sport.

For instance Don Bradman was a reactionary and difficult man, but that doesn't mean you can't like him for being the greatest fucking cricketer ever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on August 06, 2015, 05:40:07 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 05, 2015, 11:20:16 pm
No. Like I said, it preserves skeletal structure (ish, depending on when you start and how long you've been under HRT).

But I think most of the advantage is in muscle mass, and once you take that away the rest is not a big deal (compared to natural variation in cis women). I could be wrong, I'm just speculating here.

Depending on the activity the difference in skeletal structure does make a noticeable difference. In people performing sports, two people of the same sex chemically would have roughly identical musculature. However sometimes the larger skeleton of a trans individual can provide greater leverage to that musculature.

Although from my perspective, I hate exercising too much as I am aware that my frame would allow for a more masculine musculature and so I try and keep it as slim as possible. Others might feel differently though. Not everyone passes as well as I do, and so for them the negative aspects of utilizing their masculine skeletal structure is a non issue for them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 06, 2015, 05:06:24 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on August 06, 2015, 12:49:58 am
Wasn't Ultie a Sad Puppy? Wouldn't that make him and Vox Day buddies?

Vox is a Rabid Puppy.  And I fucking hate him.

Quote from: I am lizard on August 05, 2015, 05:17:42 pm
Quote from: askold on August 05, 2015, 05:00:35 am

Quote
Critics have argued that the survey format used in most family violence studies, the Conflict Tactics Scale, is flawed and likely to miss some of the worst assaults on women—especially post-separation attacks. Yet two major studies using a different methodology—the 2000 National Violence Against Women Survey by the National Institute of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey published last February—have also found that some 40% of those reporting serious partner violence in the past year are men. (Both studies show a much larger gender gap in lifetime reports of partner violence; one possible explanation for this discrepancy is that men may be more likely to let such experiences fade from memory over time since they have less cultural support for seeing themselves as victims, particularly of female violence.)

So men are almost as likely (according to studies) to be the victims of domestic abuse but they get much less support. Most shelters are for women only, authorities are more likely to disregard their claims and more often than not male victims are blamed by most people around them. (Often someone tells them to "man up" or some feminist puts on a teachers hat and calmly explains that all his pain and suffering is caused by THE PATRIARCHY and therefore it is their own fault because they are a man)
You yourself just admitted that "THE PATRIARCHY" ( or "toxic masculinity" in this case ) plays a role in discrimination against male victims.

Granted men fearing they may be seen as the aggressor plays a big role (the "but me can't get abused" mentality also plays in)

I'd say another factor is the "women are wonderful" effect.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on August 06, 2015, 05:42:17 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 06, 2015, 05:06:24 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on August 06, 2015, 12:49:58 am
Wasn't Ultie a Sad Puppy? Wouldn't that make him and Vox Day buddies?

Vox is a Rabid Puppy.  And I fucking hate him.

Sad puppies provide a very thin cover for Beale and his crowd. It might not have been that way three years ago, but the dynamics of those movements today are clearly coordinated.

UP hates how the whole thing is so easy to see through.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 06, 2015, 05:58:31 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on August 06, 2015, 05:42:17 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 06, 2015, 05:06:24 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on August 06, 2015, 12:49:58 am
Wasn't Ultie a Sad Puppy? Wouldn't that make him and Vox Day buddies?

Vox is a Rabid Puppy.  And I fucking hate him.

Sad puppies provide a very thin cover for Beale and his crowd. It might not have been that way three years ago, but the dynamics of those movements today are clearly coordinated.

UP hates how the whole thing is so easy to see through.

Bold claim.  Where's your evidence?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 06, 2015, 09:09:36 pm
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/arRVo2V_460s.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 06, 2015, 09:15:58 pm
Seems Krysta has a partner in crime.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 07, 2015, 02:29:00 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2ibn3wh.jpg)

Does this mean the patriarchy isn't a white creation?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on August 07, 2015, 04:39:10 pm
It's like they think white people just randomly fell out of wormhole.  The actual argument I've seen for this is basically, "white people can't even claim their own native European culture as 'white culture' because poc existed in those places and were erased from history by white people, so white people literally have no culture of their own".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on August 07, 2015, 05:50:44 pm
Who were the supposed "POC" the white Europeans erased in Europe? The Neanderthals (who often had red or blonde hair, btw)?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 07, 2015, 05:53:32 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on August 07, 2015, 05:50:44 pm
Who were the supposed "POC" the white Europeans erased in Europe? The Neanderthals (who often had red or blonde hair, btw)?

well, picts could be considered blue...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on August 07, 2015, 06:06:26 pm
They painted themselves...appropriators!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on August 07, 2015, 06:34:57 pm
There were POCs in Europe, but then white people stole their time machine and kept them from ever having existed in the first place.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on August 07, 2015, 07:30:02 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 07, 2015, 02:29:00 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2ibn3wh.jpg)

Does this mean the patriarchy isn't a white creation?

How about Hayden? Mozart?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on August 07, 2015, 07:43:50 pm
Quote from: Lt. Fred on August 07, 2015, 07:30:02 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 07, 2015, 02:29:00 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2ibn3wh.jpg)

Does this mean the patriarchy isn't a white creation?

How about Hayden? Mozart?

Music was invented by POCs, so they're cultural appropriators.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 07, 2015, 08:04:05 pm
Social Justice: According to the nuts, its about supremacy, not equality.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on August 07, 2015, 10:16:20 pm
When they say "poc existed in those places", they mean that poc were actually a part of those societies (i.e. black Englishmen, etc.) not that they were natives driven out.  That's what the user medievalpoc's entire blog is about.  Basically, because poc were members of those cultures, white people can't claim them as "white culture".  Another user argued that "white people lost the right to having their own culture when they took over the world".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 08:46:34 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/346rhac.jpg)

While there were atrocities perpetrated against Native Americans, the vast majority of those deaths were caused by disease.  You might as well say Africans are trying to commit genocide because of the AIDS pandemic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on August 08, 2015, 09:10:52 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 08:46:34 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/346rhac.jpg)

While there were atrocities perpetrated against Native Americans, the vast majority of those deaths were caused by disease.  You might as well say Africans are trying to commit genocide because of the AIDS pandemic.

Fort Pitt, 1763.

Proof of intent that they were willing to give disease a hand if nothing else.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 09:23:26 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on August 08, 2015, 09:10:52 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 08:46:34 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/346rhac.jpg)

While there were atrocities perpetrated against Native Americans, the vast majority of those deaths were caused by disease.  You might as well say Africans are trying to commit genocide because of the AIDS pandemic.

Fort Pitt, 1763.

Proof of intent that they were willing to give disease a hand if nothing else.

That was the only documented incidence of smallpox blankets, and we don't even know if it actually worked.  There are plenty of reasons to complain about white people's treatment of Native Americans (The Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee, etc.), there's no reason to invent or exaggerate any.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 08, 2015, 09:43:56 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 08:46:34 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/346rhac.jpg)

While there were atrocities perpetrated against Native Americans, the vast majority of those deaths were caused by disease.  You might as well say Africans are trying to commit genocide because of the AIDS pandemic.
One could argue many of those deaths were caused from poor living conditions (being forced to live in small areas)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on August 08, 2015, 10:28:56 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 09:23:26 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on August 08, 2015, 09:10:52 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 08:46:34 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/346rhac.jpg)

While there were atrocities perpetrated against Native Americans, the vast majority of those deaths were caused by disease.  You might as well say Africans are trying to commit genocide because of the AIDS pandemic.

Fort Pitt, 1763.

Proof of intent that they were willing to give disease a hand if nothing else.

That was the only documented incidence of smallpox blankets, and we don't even know if it actually worked.  There are plenty of reasons to complain about white people's treatment of Native Americans (The Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee, etc.), there's no reason to invent or exaggerate any.

Your initial statement makes it sound as though we bare very little responsibility for what happened to the natives. This followup statement is much more accurate as to our level of culpability and I probably wouldn't have said boo if you had led with it... although 'we don't know if it actually worked' is awfully close to 'but the bullet missed, why are you charging me with attempted murder?'
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 10:42:25 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on August 08, 2015, 10:28:56 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 09:23:26 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on August 08, 2015, 09:10:52 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 08:46:34 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/346rhac.jpg)

While there were atrocities perpetrated against Native Americans, the vast majority of those deaths were caused by disease.  You might as well say Africans are trying to commit genocide because of the AIDS pandemic.

Fort Pitt, 1763.

Proof of intent that they were willing to give disease a hand if nothing else.

That was the only documented incidence of smallpox blankets, and we don't even know if it actually worked.  There are plenty of reasons to complain about white people's treatment of Native Americans (The Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee, etc.), there's no reason to invent or exaggerate any.

Your initial statement makes it sound as though we bare very little responsibility for what happened to the natives. This followup statement is much more accurate as to our level of culpability and I probably wouldn't have said boo if you had led with it... although 'we don't know if it actually worked' is awfully close to 'but the bullet missed, why are you charging me with attempted murder?'

Okay, maybe I should've been clearer.  Mea culpa.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on August 08, 2015, 10:51:16 am
Quote from: mellenORL on August 07, 2015, 05:50:44 pm
Who were the supposed "POC" the white Europeans erased in Europe? The Neanderthals (who often had red or blonde hair, btw)?

I know this may come to you as a shock, but Europe is really fucking close to Asia and Africa--close enough that, since prehistoric times, people have traveled between those areas.  Sometimes, this meant PoC settling in Europe.  Just like people move around and travel nowadays, only with no passports or baggage checks.

Plus, Romani and Jewish culture were often denigrated and/or ignored throughout European history, and discrimination against both ethnic groups is still commonplace in Europe today.  Their culture is ignored as part of "European culture," even though technically it has just as much claim.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on August 08, 2015, 01:44:35 pm
The vast majority of those deaths were caused by disease brought upon the native Americans from contact with the white man, and later actively encouraged by contact with the white man... but genocide is about more than just killing people. Genocide is also about killing a culture, and no one demonstrated more capability at actively destroying a culture than we did with the native Americans.

Sorry, Ultie, but you're wrong here. The genocide of native North America was indeed the fault of Americans, and it was one of the worst genocides in all of history.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 01:52:49 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on August 08, 2015, 01:44:35 pm
The vast majority of those deaths were caused by disease brought upon the native Americans from contact with the white man, and later actively encouraged by contact with the white man... but genocide is about more than just killing people. Genocide is also about killing a culture, and no one demonstrated more capability at actively destroying a culture than we did with the native Americans.

Sorry, Ultie, but you're wrong here. The genocide of native North America was indeed the fault of Americans, and it was one of the worst genocides in all of history.

That's a good point, but the picture doesn't bring it up.  It only talks about slaughter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 08, 2015, 06:55:09 pm
Well you're only using a very narrow definition of the word slaughter.  If you expand it just a bit, you'll find the picture is accurate.

Ironbite-slaughter doesn't have to be physical, it can be emotional, mental, metaphysical, or cultural.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 08, 2015, 07:00:32 pm
Quote from: ironbite on August 08, 2015, 06:55:09 pm
Well you're only using a very narrow definition of the word slaughter.  If you expand it just a bit, you'll find the picture is accurate.

Ironbite-slaughter doesn't have to be physical, it can be emotional, mental, metaphysical, or cultural.

Metaphysical Slaughter is my new band name, thanks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on August 08, 2015, 07:36:23 pm
The hundred million figure is probably an exaggeration but even a drastically reduced number would still have a strong claim to biggest genocide in history.  Ie RJ Rummel (who isn't all that reliable but I'll work with what I got) estimate between 2-15 million deaths of native americans directly from mass murder.  And not all the deaths by disease shouldn't be excluded from genocide, Anne Frank died of Typhus but we count her as one of hitler's victims.

That being said I do have issue with this meme, the words "on American Soil."  That pretty clearly implies the United States is behind it, but the 100 million figure is for the entire American double continent, from Ellesmere Island to Tierra del Fuego.  And every country in the americas is just as guilty as the US.  And the most heavily populated regions would have been outside what became the US, mostly in Mexico, Central and South America.  As a Canadian I find it offensive how our evil gets appropriated as American.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 07:42:18 pm
Quote from: Skybison on August 08, 2015, 07:36:23 pm
The hundred million figure is probably an exaggeration but even a drastically reduced number would still have a strong claim to biggest genocide in history.  Ie RJ Rummel (who isn't all that reliable but I'll work with what I got) estimate between 2-15 million deaths of native americans directly from mass murder.  And not all the deaths by disease shouldn't be excluded from genocide, Anne Frank died of Typhus but we count her as one of hitler's victims.

That being said I do have issue with this meme, the words "on American Soil."  That pretty clearly implies the United States is behind it, but the 100 million figure is for the entire American double continent, from Ellesmere Island to Tierra del Fuego.  And every country in the americas is just as guilty as the US.  And the most heavily populated regions would have been outside what became the US, mostly in Mexico, Central and South America.  As a Canadian I find it offensive how our evil gets appropriated as American.

Not to mention the horrible things done by the Spanish and the British.

And another flaw is that it ignores the Native American role.  Cortés could never have conquered the Aztecs without help from the Tlaxcalans, and the Incas would've roflstomped Pizarro if so many of their subject peoples hadn't allied with him.  In North America, you had the Beaver Wars, where the Iroquois engaged in several brutal campaigns of conquest in order to secure a trade monopoly.  Many, many Amerindians were killed by other Amerindians since 1492.

While we're talking about it, a lot of Christians, including clergy, fought on behalf of the Natives.  Bartolomé de las Casas is just the most famous example.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on August 08, 2015, 08:09:31 pm
Or the fact that Canada's still trying to starve out the First Nations by raising food prices ludicrously high on reservations.  This is why so many First Nations folk still hunt seals.  Not for some ritual or cultural nostalgia; because they CAN'T AFFORD enough food at the grocery store.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 08:20:19 pm
Quote from: TheL on August 08, 2015, 08:09:31 pm
Or the fact that Canada's still trying to starve out the First Nations by raising food prices ludicrously high on reservations.  This is why so many First Nations folk still hunt seals.  Not for some ritual or cultural nostalgia; because they CAN'T AFFORD enough food at the grocery store.

Seriously?  That's appalling!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on August 08, 2015, 08:48:08 pm
Quote from: TheL on August 08, 2015, 10:51:16 am
Quote from: mellenORL on August 07, 2015, 05:50:44 pm
Who were the supposed "POC" the white Europeans erased in Europe? The Neanderthals (who often had red or blonde hair, btw)?

I know this may come to you as a shock, but Europe is really fucking close to Asia and Africa--close enough that, since prehistoric times, people have traveled between those areas.  Sometimes, this meant PoC settling in Europe.  Just like people move around and travel nowadays, only with no passports or baggage checks.

Plus, Romani and Jewish culture were often denigrated and/or ignored throughout European history, and discrimination against both ethnic groups is still commonplace in Europe today.  Their culture is ignored as part of "European culture," even though technically it has just as much claim.
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on August 07, 2015, 04:39:10 pm
It's like they think white people just randomly fell out of wormhole.  The actual argument I've seen for this is basically, "white people can't even claim their own native European culture as 'white culture' because poc existed in those places and were erased from history by white people, so white people literally have no culture of their own".
My dad majored in anthropology, although he became a businessman to feed the family. I liked to read through his textbooks when I was growing up and I accompanied him on two trips to SA on U of M sponsored digs. Genetic drift and ancient migrations, etc. are familiar concepts to me. What I was snarking about was the idea Iosa quoted from memory that implies some people claim Europeans somehow wiped out indigenous POC populations in Europe. If by wiped out, they mean that they bred with and overwhelmed the C of those individual migrant POCs, and small enclaves of POCs, then that is still a bit of a stretch. As far as cultural appropriation goes in regards Europeans (and any other group of humanity), look at a chart of how pottery styles, ornaments, fertility fetishes and arrow head styles drifted across thousands of miles, even jumping continents, since the later days of Homo Erectus...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on August 08, 2015, 09:09:15 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 08, 2015, 08:20:19 pm
Quote from: TheL on August 08, 2015, 08:09:31 pm
Or the fact that Canada's still trying to starve out the First Nations by raising food prices ludicrously high on reservations.  This is why so many First Nations folk still hunt seals.  Not for some ritual or cultural nostalgia; because they CAN'T AFFORD enough food at the grocery store.

Seriously?  That's appalling!

Their land claims get in the way of progress and they are a drain on society.

- sorry, I was channeling my inner Harper.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 08, 2015, 10:17:29 pm
Quote from: ironbite on August 08, 2015, 06:55:09 pm
Well you're only using a very narrow definition of the word slaughter.  If you expand it just a bit, you'll find the picture is accurate.

Ironbite-slaughter doesn't have to be physical, it can be emotional, mental, metaphysical, or cultural.
The ICC defines genocide as:
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any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
All criteria having been met for native Americans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 09, 2015, 09:48:12 am
I never tried to deny or downplay the atrocities perpetrated against Native Americans.  Honestly, I find it difficult to call it anything less than genocide.

But back on topic:

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2q3snf5.jpg)

The picture on the right is of a responsible officer assisting an old man, who is a part of the KKK, in recovering from heat stroke.  That has so much more honor and dignity to it than the one on the left.  Don't get me wrong, the KKK is fucking stupid and abominable.  But don't call such an amazing deed by an officer "bullshit" when it does far more to challenge racism than violence ever did.  And I'd say a Klansman owing his life to a black man would be a fate worse than death for him. 

The picture on the left, however, only kindles the fire of hatred among racists.  You're literally supporting giving the bad guys ammo here.  Does that person deserve it?  Assuming they're in the KKK like the one on the right, absolutely.  However, if you choose to fight with kindness instead, they cannot touch you, and the media will be much more inclined to talk highly of you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 09, 2015, 02:34:42 pm
Yeah, literally killing or crippling someone for their ideas is wrong on any level.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 09, 2015, 05:04:44 pm
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/09/1410195/-Seattle-BLM-Protest-Was-Not-BLM-Sorta

Some folks decided that the best way to help the cause of "Black lives matter" is to go interrupt Bernie Sanders and shout scream incoherently and demand a chance to talk. When told that they could have their turn after Sanders they refused until they were eventually allowed to talk before Sanders got his turn (apparently the organizers were afraid of things getting even worse.)

Anyway, BLM is already suffering from this but it turned out that the people responsible for this particular incident were in fact a separate group that decided to hijack the more famous name since their own "Outside Agitators 206" name wasn't famous enough.

Bernie and the organizers handled things way more politely than they would have needed to and these "agitators" are just tumblr SJWs who got off their computer and try to use the same tactics outdoors.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 09, 2015, 05:32:14 pm
Yeah this is gonna set things back a bit.

Ironbite-shame too
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 09, 2015, 09:53:46 pm
ugh, this is going to be one of those things the media is going to overblow.
 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 09, 2015, 10:54:31 pm
I can already hear the bullshit mountain colonists over at Fox blabbing away...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 10, 2015, 02:12:21 am
So far I've only seen a conspiracy theory that these people were a false flag operation either to discredit BLM and/or to make Sanders look better.

The fact that one of those women was previosly seen in a anti-Israel protest where she claimed to be a Palestinian (which seems to mean that she can't be black at the same time for some reason) so the implication is that this group is part of professional-protestors who get paid to disrupt events.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 10, 2015, 03:05:39 am
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aXXoZ4V_460s.jpg)

^^ re: bernie sanders heckled.

alright, consider my post redone.

(post moved to gtpsi)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 10, 2015, 09:53:09 am
Neither of those belong in WSJ.

Try good things people say on the Internet, that see,s more appropriate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 10, 2015, 04:51:18 pm
Quote from: askold on August 10, 2015, 02:12:21 am
So far I've only seen a conspiracy theory that these people were a false flag operation either to discredit BLM and/or to make Sanders look better.

The fact that one of those women was previosly seen in a anti-Israel protest where she claimed to be a Palestinian (which seems to mean that she can't be black at the same time for some reason) so the implication is that this group is part of professional-protestors who get paid to disrupt events.

Got a source for that?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cataclysm on August 10, 2015, 08:21:08 pm
She supported Palin, so this might be a false flag to divide minority support for Bernie

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist-who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 10, 2015, 08:32:20 pm
Quote from: Cataclysm on August 10, 2015, 08:21:08 pm
She supported Palin, so this might be a false flag to divide minority support for Bernie

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist-who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/

I'm not a fan of the "Ha! You were in favour of dumb things at some point in your life!" rhetorical technique.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 11, 2015, 12:57:57 am
Quote from: ironbite on August 10, 2015, 04:51:18 pm
Quote from: askold on August 10, 2015, 02:12:21 am
So far I've only seen a conspiracy theory that these people were a false flag operation either to discredit BLM and/or to make Sanders look better.

The fact that one of those women was previosly seen in a anti-Israel protest where she claimed to be a Palestinian (which seems to mean that she can't be black at the same time for some reason) so the implication is that this group is part of professional-protestors who get paid to disrupt events.

Got a source for that?
Here is a source to the conspiracy theory: http://imgur.com/gallery/yEJjO

If you want an actual source about her being in the anti-Israel rally then you really don't know how the majority of conspiracy theorists work. There is a random picture and a claim that it is from the rally.

Quote from: Cataclysm on August 10, 2015, 08:21:08 pm
She supported Palin, so this might be a false flag to divide minority support for Bernie

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist-who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/

If she supported Palin then wouldn't it be more likely that this is an attempt to drive minority support away from Sanders so that Sanders loses?

Also:
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Of course there is always something particularly depressing and disturbing about any African American clinging to Christianity, when Christianity was in fact the tool of the slavemaster, the religion that justified the enslavement and subjugation of African Americans, the religion that justified Jim Crow and segregation, the religion that continues to keep Americans of all color ignorant and uninformed, at once frightened and beseeching of a God that does not exist.

...Seriously?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 11, 2015, 10:23:51 am
Quote from: askold on August 11, 2015, 12:57:57 am
Also:
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Of course there is always something particularly depressing and disturbing about any African American clinging to Christianity, when Christianity was in fact the tool of the slavemaster, the religion that justified the enslavement and subjugation of African Americans, the religion that justified Jim Crow and segregation, the religion that continues to keep Americans of all color ignorant and uninformed, at once frightened and beseeching of a God that does not exist.

...Seriously?


The fuck of it is, technically...they aren't really wrong.  Christianity has been used as an excuse for slavery, for what amounts to the butchering of a multitude of native tribes (not just Native Americans, but multiple Germanic tribes, African tribes, the list goes on) as well as being a common fallback position for those in power to keep right on going with their fuckery.  The Christian theology outright demands conversion, either by proselytizing or by death and/or forced subjugation.  Though, a lot of this is due to the rather violent nature of Yahweh, who basically started out as Jewish Ares.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 12, 2015, 01:41:02 am
http://alphaacentauri.tumblr.com/post/126236335539/may-i-ask-how-bernie-sanders-handled-the
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 12, 2015, 08:01:03 am
(http://i.imgur.com/oiua73D.png)
I thought that "triggered by [the word penis]" was theultinatesjw's shtick.

(http://i.imgur.com/5aRkF2d.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 15, 2015, 05:49:22 pm
Sorry for the double post, but:
(http://i.imgur.com/9cKiWnY.png)
Breaking news: words mean whatever you want them to mean and are thus meaningless. An excellent example of The Discourse; I am now ready to die. Also, "Neuroqueer"? As someone who's both mentally ill (sorry, "neuroatypical", wouldn't want to give anyone the impression that my illness is something other than an OpressiońMon trump card that I can pull out whenever someone else starts talking sense!) and queer I'm fucking pissed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 15, 2015, 05:58:29 pm
......WORDS MEAN THINGS!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 15, 2015, 09:51:23 pm
Quote from: ironbite on August 15, 2015, 05:58:29 pm
......WORDS MEAN THINGS!
"Friendly reminder that abiding by the standard definitions of words is ablist, racist, and queerphobic! uwu"
... I feel dirty just typing that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 15, 2015, 10:39:16 pm
Do not insist on the meaning of words! Some people are not abled enough to understand words! UUUUUUUUUUWWWWWUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 15, 2015, 10:42:54 pm
Í̯̼̩M̷̴̖̠̭̘͖͕͕̱̠͉̹̖̟̬̠͕͠͞ ̵̦̰͉̳̝̠̬̖̳͈̯̜͍̮̘ͅͅT̶̙̖̻̺̜̖͓̮̖̦̮̤̤̜̻̜̲̭Ŕ̶͖͖̙̰̳̻̀͘͠I̸̴̛̭͕̞̻̮͕͢G̩̠̮̝̭̟͕̳̤͉̺͍͕̲̫͕̟̗̙̕͝͡͠G̛̮̖͙̦̻̟̮̥͢͝E̶͎̩͚͚͎̻̲̹͟͝͠R̶̢̛̥̼͍͍̙̫̹̟̥̙͓̼̭͈ͅE̶̷̥̤̤̤̙̝̦͙̪̮̪̫͝D̴̴̡̞̭͚̩͎͜͜ ̴̧͓̣͚̺̗̺͇̰͈͎͘͠ͅB̷̨̯̞̜̻̰̤͕̗̝̀Y̵͉̗̻͇͓͟ ҉҉̴̮̖̟̪̝̗̺̘̙̲̞P̢͝҉̩͎̼̳̲̝̀͘Ŗ͞҉̣͙̼̯͔̬͎͖͕͖̕ͅO̢̨͜͏̯̲̥̼̤͈̬P̥̮͇̭̘͙̪͡͝ͅE̺̰̮͔̩͎̣͡R̶̡͉̟̮̺̦̟͙͓̻̪̗̘̩̭̦ ͉̫̻͎̤̬͎̠̠̞̹͘͡G̡̨̨̞̙̦̞͘͝R҉҉̥̪͉̪͍̩̬̙͇̱̯̟̠͠A͏̸͓̝͇̞͍̀͠M̴̘͍̬̫̯͔̗̟̥͟͞͞͡Ḿ̧̢̛̤̤̥̗͇E̸̢̙̥̹̭͖̠̫͖̯̺̰͕Ŕ̵̡̩̣̼̱̱̻̦͎̟͇ ̶͍̳͇̩̕U̧͙͖̥͎͜͞W̕͠҉̖̣̩͚̬̪̩͕̙̥̘̫͉U͏̛͔͕͙̻͚͚̱̪͇̀͢
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 16, 2015, 06:11:17 am
... i self-diagnose when i'm about to have an episode (headaches, loss of balance, blurred vision, etc...) does that mean i'm not bonkers?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 16, 2015, 09:01:14 am
That's not what we're talking about, guizonde. Saying "these symptoms usually show up before something worse happens" is one thing, saying "I read WebMD/Wikipedia for a while and now I'm ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that I have [long string of rare mental/personality disorders as well as some things that are flat-out made up, such as headmates and kintypes] and if you think I should go see a doctor you're ablist scum (✿◠‿◠)". Auras (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2395/) are reasonably common and documented in medical literature, while if someone actually had every single one of the disorders the average tumblrina claims to have they'd be a completely non-functional medical anomaly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 16, 2015, 09:52:50 am
Quote from: Ghoti on August 16, 2015, 09:01:14 am
That's not what we're talking about, guizonde. Saying "these symptoms usually show up before something worse happens" is one thing, saying "I read WebMD/Wikipedia for a while and now I'm ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that I have [long string of rare mental/personality disorders as well as some things that are flat-out made up, such as headmates and kintypes] and if you think I should go see a doctor you're ablist scum (✿◠‿◠)". Auras (http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=2395/) are reasonably common and documented in medical literature, while if someone actually had every single one of the disorders the average tumblrina claims to have they'd be a completely non-functional medical anomaly.

yeah, i know, i was fooling around. hell, already having one illness is really hard for functionning normally, so being bipolar-schizophrenic-paranoid with headmates is just funny, especially when some of those self-diagnostics are mutually exclusive like empathic personnality disorder and antisocial personnality disorder.

but hey, cries for attention are just that. it shouldn't be a big deal. although the funniest thing would be to make those tumblrinas hang out with real sufferers of their imaginary conditions. cold-shower effect guarenteed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on August 18, 2015, 06:01:52 pm
But guizonde, why would you inflict that on us non-neurotypical folks?  Having a mental disorder is bad enough!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on August 18, 2015, 08:51:51 pm
Not sure if this is Fandumb of WSJ but on Tumblr a bunch of people are saying shipping this character whose been attracted to women in the past with a male character is homophobic.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 19, 2015, 03:29:58 am
Quote from: I am lizard on August 18, 2015, 08:51:51 pm
Not sure if this is Fandumb of WSJ but on Tumblr a bunch of people are saying shipping this character whose been attracted to women in the past with a male character is homophobic.
*Angry bisexual screeching*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 19, 2015, 12:10:55 pm
Quote from: TheL on August 18, 2015, 06:01:52 pm
But guizonde, why would you inflict that on us non-neurotypical folks?  Having a mental disorder is bad enough!

are you talking about the pairing of tumblrinas with us loonies? it's a case of fight fire with thermonuclear bombs. plus, i like trolling people. and i scare them enough when i say that i'm a psycho (tic). trolling tumblrinas irl is the next logical step, although the scorn generated might send them flying out of a window.



... no regrets, i'd do it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 19, 2015, 12:17:47 pm
Tumblrina Trolling does seem to result in some interesting reactions. Try the ActuallyDivine bunch, play the character of a well intentioned Christian saying you'll pray for them and that you hope they rethink their actions before they hurt anyone.

Trust me. Its done wonderful, wonderful things to the divinekin in question.

I actually shared my Trigger Me Rap via anon, and someone called it "disgusting racial appropriation."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 22, 2015, 01:53:18 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/24uylxk.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 22, 2015, 04:43:46 pm
What I was going to say was "depends how literal you want to be about it..."

But actually I think that's shopped:

(http://i.imgur.com/l2evt.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 22, 2015, 05:26:32 pm
YAY MORE SHOPPED SHIT!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 23, 2015, 09:09:12 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/20p9fk0.jpg)

You know white people weren't the only ones to have slaves, right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on August 23, 2015, 09:58:16 am
I lolled. Good riposte. Lighten UP.  :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 23, 2015, 10:33:11 am
(http://i.imgur.com/gdmkn9d.png)
Quick reminders about Greek mythology: if you're assigning Tumblr-specific labels to Greek mythology you need to go outside immediately.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 23, 2015, 03:54:42 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2015/08/20/tweeters-attacks-amy-poehler-over-hulu-joke/32054083/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2015/08/20/tweeters-attacks-amy-poehler-over-hulu-joke/32054083/)

Radflakes be all like "Political correctness doesn't stifle art!"

Then they attack a writer for something a character said as if it came out of their own mouth.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 23, 2015, 05:40:59 pm
Oh tumblr....change please.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on August 23, 2015, 08:57:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 23, 2015, 03:54:42 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2015/08/20/tweeters-attacks-amy-poehler-over-hulu-joke/32054083/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2015/08/20/tweeters-attacks-amy-poehler-over-hulu-joke/32054083/)

Radflakes be all like "Political correctness doesn't stifle art!"

Then they attack a writer for something a character said as if it came out of their own mouth.

Quote
oh MAN i love parks and rec and amy poehler is a great actress and writer but she is honestly so shitty for making that blue ivy joke and is probably honestly just a crappy person in general

Well, I'm glad the people of tumblr are all fucking saints who have never done anything unsavory ever or currently do unsavory things that they currently think are perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 24, 2015, 10:41:37 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/21/we-used-to-count-black-americans-as-35-of-a-person-instead-of-reparations-give-them-53-of-a-vote/?tid=sm_fb (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/21/we-used-to-count-black-americans-as-35-of-a-person-instead-of-reparations-give-them-53-of-a-vote/?tid=sm_fb)

Quote
We used to count black Americans as 3/5 of a person. For reparations, give them 5/3 of a vote.

I really hope this is satire.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on August 24, 2015, 11:23:24 am
If they're going to do that, then they should let citizens of Japanese descent completely decide the next election: they were interned for however many years during WWII, becoming nobodies, so, taking the inverse, they should have infinite voting power for a third of that time, which is just enough for one election.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on August 24, 2015, 12:23:13 pm
Has anyone suggested they give their property back to a Native American tribe yet?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 24, 2015, 06:35:06 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/j8dsgp.jpg)

The other side of the story: "I was sitting on the train minding my own business when some chick stepped on my foot."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Second Coming of Madman on August 24, 2015, 09:34:10 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 24, 2015, 10:41:37 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/21/we-used-to-count-black-americans-as-35-of-a-person-instead-of-reparations-give-them-53-of-a-vote/?tid=sm_fb (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/21/we-used-to-count-black-americans-as-35-of-a-person-instead-of-reparations-give-them-53-of-a-vote/?tid=sm_fb)

Quote
We used to count black Americans as 3/5 of a person. For reparations, give them 5/3 of a vote.

I really hope this is satire.

Anybody still demanding reparations for slavery in this day and age never suffered because of it.

Also, PostEverything is literal cancer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 26, 2015, 05:14:53 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/1q2uti.jpg)

"Stick with your own kind!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 27, 2015, 09:38:35 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/mvs3dd.jpg)

I can only imagine what would happen if one of these morons tried to learn a gendered language.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on August 28, 2015, 04:03:39 am
You know, I personally dislike the idea of gendered language (whatever problems English has, it's at least free of that), but I have now decided it's worth it just for the hypothetical reaction UP though of.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on August 28, 2015, 04:44:40 pm
Well, personally I just don't see the need to refer to pieces of metal as having a gender when there are other, probably simpler methods of identification that could be used. Then again, Finnish has no gendered grammatic structures so maybe my perspective on the matter is tainted.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 28, 2015, 05:04:30 pm
Quote from: Even Then on August 28, 2015, 04:44:40 pm
Well, personally I just don't see the need to refer to pieces of metal as having a gender when there are other, probably simpler methods of identification that could be used. Then again, Finnish has no gendered grammatic structures so maybe my perspective on the matter is tainted.

Eh, I'm a fan of degendering language* but the male and female connectors convention seems perfectly effective for its purpose. I'm sure an alternative terminology could exist, but why bother? It's not like your connectors have a gender identity to care about mislabeling.

The "cisnormative!" argument might work if people could get together and agree on a set of words meaning "has a penis" and "has a vagina" that is not filled with complicated implications re: other aspects of biological sex, but no such words exist. Until we somehow get our act together and figure out proper finely-grained vocabulary for the relevant variations in biological sex, "male" and "female" really is the best we've got.

Also, now I have the mental image of walking into a hardware store and asking for a penis-to-vagina adapter.


*My native language is Spanish, which is gendered as fuck and really annoying if you're me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on August 28, 2015, 05:15:55 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 28, 2015, 05:04:30 pm
Until we somehow get our act together and figure out proper finely-grained vocabulary for the relevant variations in biological sex, "male" and "female" really is the best we've got.

Sad, but true. :(
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on August 28, 2015, 06:49:34 pm
I work with bells and spigots. I guess that makes non-threaded pipe connections more progressive.  ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 28, 2015, 08:06:48 pm
I do not care if I'm being transphobic, I am not letting my male and female pipes and connectors transition and become Trans Pipes!

Gawd does not make mistakes, Pipe! You were created a male pipe and I am not letting you go through surgery and become a connector!

...

...

WHAT!? NO! MY PIPE JUST ATTEMPTED SUICIDE!! THAT IS A MORTAL SIN YOU PIECE OF METAL!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on August 28, 2015, 10:41:19 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on August 28, 2015, 08:06:48 pm
I do not care if I'm being transphobic, I am not letting my male and female pipes and connectors transition and become Trans Pipes!

Gawd does not make mistakes, Pipe! You were created a male pipe and I am not letting you go through surgery and become a

What about the real life homeowner fix of bang it with a large block of wood til it fits? Pipe rape?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on August 28, 2015, 11:53:23 pm
Quote from: rookie on August 28, 2015, 10:41:19 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on August 28, 2015, 08:06:48 pm
I do not care if I'm being transphobic, I am not letting my male and female pipes and connectors transition and become Trans Pipes!

Gawd does not make mistakes, Pipe! You were created a male pipe and I am not letting you go through surgery and become a

What about the real life homeowner fix of bang it with a large block of wood til it fits? Pipe rape?

Unlicensed back-alley surgery.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 29, 2015, 01:16:39 am
Finnish has male- and female-adapters in technical language. And yes, there are teachers who use it as "proof" for why homosexuality is "wrong and won't work" but mainly it is just a simple way of naming adapters and such. Male thingy goes into the female thingy, that is simple and back when someone thought of they probably didn't think that using the names of biological genders would cause distress to people.

...Besides, we also have things like these:
male-male adapter:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/Neutrik_NA3MM_XLR_Male_to_XLR_491523.jpg
female-female adapter:
http://www.lindy.co.uk/images/vga-female-to-female-adapter-p2553-3176_zoom.jpg

So all you need is some tools and you can have "same-sex" unions with your cables, pipes whatnot.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 29, 2015, 01:59:12 am
^ HHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on August 29, 2015, 02:19:45 am
Quote from: askold on August 29, 2015, 01:16:39 am
Finnish has male- and female-adapters in technical language. And yes, there are teachers who use it as "proof" for why homosexuality is "wrong and won't work"

what the fuck the fuck, they're pieces of metal, why

Also, did we ever get that same-sex marriage legislation through? As far as I'm aware, it's still stuck in development hell.

(Also, obligatory "Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan XD )
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 29, 2015, 02:35:24 am
Quote from: Even Then on August 29, 2015, 02:19:45 am
Quote from: askold on August 29, 2015, 01:16:39 am
Finnish has male- and female-adapters in technical language. And yes, there are teachers who use it as "proof" for why homosexuality is "wrong and won't work"

what the fuck the fuck, they're pieces of metal, why

Also, did we ever get that same-sex marriage legislation through? As far as I'm aware, it's still stuck in development hell.

(Also, obligatory "Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan XD )

Urosliitin and Naarasliitin. Like I said, few decades ago it probably seemed like a funny but logical way of naming them because everyone will naturally remember what they mean rather than if they had made up completely new terms for them.

Samesex marriage law change in Finland were passed but the changes won't go into action until 1.3.2017 because... I don't know, we don't make changes that would activate immediately? There are a few other laws that also have to be changed and they gave some time to prepare for those? Anyway, even if some parties *cough* Truefinns *cough* manage to stall and prevent changes to the other laws that would contradict the marriage law the new law will go into effect in 2017 even if there are still contradictions. There is no way to prevent that because the parliament accepted it, but things will be less messy if some assholes won't prevent changing those other laws to suit this one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on August 29, 2015, 02:59:29 am
No no, the "what the fuck" was directed at the teachers. I understand the principle behind naming the connectors that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 29, 2015, 07:56:21 am
Quote from: Even Then on August 28, 2015, 04:44:40 pm
Well, personally I just don't see the need to refer to pieces of metal as having a gender when there are other, probably simpler methods of identification that could be used. Then again, Finnish has no gendered grammatic structures so maybe my perspective on the matter is tainted.

it's a penis metaphor. it's the only reason it caught on.

brb, going to trigger misandrists with a guitar lead.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on August 29, 2015, 01:32:50 pm
I find all that fatlogic very triggering.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 29, 2015, 01:50:54 pm
Don't thinsplain me shitkings!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on August 29, 2015, 02:59:13 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on August 29, 2015, 01:50:54 pm
Don't thinsplain me shitkings!!!

That's shitLORDS, get it right!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on August 29, 2015, 03:43:36 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 27, 2015, 09:38:35 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/mvs3dd.jpg)

I can only imagine what would happen if one of these morons tried to learn a gendered language.

Quote from: Mark Twain
In German, a young lady has no sex, while a turnip has. Think what overwrought reverence that shows for the turnip, and what callous disrespect for the girl. See how it looks in print -- I translate this from a conversation in one of the best of the German Sunday-school books:

"Gretchen.
    Wilhelm, where is the turnip?
Wilhelm.
    She has gone to the kitchen.
Gretchen.
    Where is the accomplished and beautiful English maiden?
Wilhelm.
    It has gone to the opera."

To continue with the German genders: a tree is male, its buds are female, its leaves are neuter; horses are sexless, dogs are male, cats are female -- tomcats included, of course; a person's mouth, neck, bosom, elbows, fingers, nails, feet, and body are of the male sex, and his head is male or neuter according to the word selected to signify it, and not according to the sex of the individual who wears it -- for in Germany all the women either male heads or sexless ones; a person's nose, lips, shoulders, breast, hands, and toes are of the female sex; and his hair, ears, eyes, chin, legs, knees, heart, and conscience haven't any sex at all. The inventor of the language probably got what he knew about a conscience from hearsay.



Sigmaleph: And let's not forget that Spanish also has a weird exception to its usual gender rules: "el mapa."  Everything else follows the "-o is male, -a is female" pattern.  But MAPS.  Why are fucking maps so special?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on August 29, 2015, 04:46:04 pm
Maps are intersex in Spain?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 29, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Mapa is not the only exception, actually! Words like clima, dogma, sistema, teorema all are masculine and end in -a. (plus some words that refer to people, like guardia or atleta, that can be masculine or feminine).

And there's also words like águila or hacha, which are feminine for all purposes except which definite article you use with them, because the two a's right next two each other in 'la águila' sound bad. Leading to constructions like "el águila calva" where the article is masculine and the adjective is feminine.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on August 29, 2015, 07:50:22 pm
Prolly comes from the rather heavy influence Latin had on the Western world.  Don't get me wrong, Latin is truly the language of learned men, but its genders can get downright fucky, at times.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 29, 2015, 10:48:05 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2affvi9.jpg)

If college is this much of a problem for them, I have no idea how they're going to handle adult life.

Bills have to be paid by a certain date? Ableist.

I have to be at work when the schedule tells me I do? Ableist.

I have to stay until the end of my shift unless an emergency comes up? Ableist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 29, 2015, 11:18:26 pm
I have to pick up my kid from school? ABLEIST!

I have a court date due to punching a man in the eye for looking at me? ABLEIST!

I have to visit grandma's at a certain time? ABLEIST!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on August 29, 2015, 11:21:01 pm
"if you make them single themselves out as disabled to get aid you're ableist"

Usually, you need to explain the need for help to get the help. That's not ableist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 30, 2015, 12:12:53 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 29, 2015, 10:48:05 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2affvi9.jpg)

If college is this much of a problem for them, I have no idea how they're going to handle adult life.

Bills have to be paid by a certain date? Ableist.

I have to be at work when the schedule tells me I do? Ableist.

I have to stay until the end of my shift unless an emergency comes up? Ableist.

Sometimes it's almost trivial to add accommodations that make it easier for people with disabilities to not be impaired in college (and elsewhere in life). Most items on that list are debatable, and blanket condemnation of stuff as ableist is probably not productive, but I can sort of agree with the spirit of it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 30, 2015, 03:55:02 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/9sw0bc.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIwDogUsg8s
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on August 30, 2015, 06:50:24 pm
Oh wow.  So of course UP gets caught by a parody site.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on August 30, 2015, 07:11:45 pm
dude, that was already posted by askold in things people say on the internet a few days ago. you even read it, since you commented about the second part of the post (re: console photos).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 30, 2015, 08:08:54 pm
I think Ultie's brain is starting to decay...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 30, 2015, 08:38:29 pm
Well, I thought it fit better here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 30, 2015, 08:42:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/BsmGR7B.png)
Speaking as an abuse survivor, fuck off. (Also, OP's About Me page (http://i.imgur.com/OXCjLem.png) is a crock of shit too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on August 30, 2015, 08:46:30 pm
So, would that piece's OP not mind then if I manipulated them, then?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on August 30, 2015, 08:49:57 pm
Well, they seem to have no problem with children manipulating their parents, so go nuts.

(Seriously though, I can understand why some people would be dishonest and manipulative out of fear, so OP has a half-point. Okay, a one-thirds-point. But that doesn't make being manipulated and lied to in a relationship not an emotionally hurtful thing, fuck.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 30, 2015, 08:57:05 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2nvtnwm.jpg)

So interracial relationships are promoting genocide?  Now where have I heard that one before?  It begins with an "S", I think... ends with "tormfront"...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on August 30, 2015, 09:18:47 pm
I have seen the latter part almost word for word from neo-nazis, "race realists" and the like. Horseshoe theory in action.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on August 30, 2015, 09:35:17 pm
Quote from: ironbite on August 30, 2015, 06:50:24 pm
Oh wow.  So of course UP gets caught by a parody site.

Have to agree here. Gaia's Indigo Dancing Children is almost certainly a troll website.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on August 31, 2015, 05:29:44 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 30, 2015, 09:35:17 pm
Quote from: ironbite on August 30, 2015, 06:50:24 pm
Oh wow.  So of course UP gets caught by a parody site.

Have to agree here. Gaia's Indigo Dancing Children is almost certainly a troll website.

That's possible. Plausible even. Unfortunately I can't be 100% certain, considering the things I have seen, and I am afraid of having my brain escape my skull if I go read more about that page...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on August 31, 2015, 12:33:18 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/TY6gKhy.png)

Pride-flags-for-us is the new mogai-archive.

(http://i.imgur.com/AVarege.png)

I... I dont even have anything funny to say just fuck off.

(http://i.imgur.com/iE4xoH4.png)

*Violent Internet-Tough-Cat threat* No one deserves hate!!!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/DN3vHe7.png)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on August 31, 2015, 01:53:19 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on August 29, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Mapa is not the only exception, actually! Words like clima, dogma, sistema, teorema all are masculine and end in -a. (plus some words that refer to people, like guardia or atleta, that can be masculine or feminine).

And there's also words like águila or hacha, which are feminine for all purposes except which definite article you use with them, because the two a's right next two each other in 'la águila' sound bad. Leading to constructions like "el águila calva" where the article is masculine and the adjective is feminine.

Ooh, good point.  (I didn't see those words in Spanish class, pretty much ever.)

I also forgot "papa," which created a humorous situation in Miami:

When John Paul II went to Miami, an enterprising T-shirt salesperson made up shirts that said "I Saw The Pope" in English and Spanish.

Well, that's what they were supposed to say.  The Spanish ones used "la" instead of "el," which meant they said "I Saw The Potato."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on August 31, 2015, 03:48:26 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/29wnak5.jpg)

Remember: male desire is about dominance, rape, and degradation; female desire is about sparkling stardust and rainbows.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on August 31, 2015, 04:03:43 pm
Unwanted gaze is unwanted, no matter the gazer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on August 31, 2015, 11:51:07 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on August 31, 2015, 12:33:18 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/TY6gKhy.png)

Pride-flags-for-us is the new mogai-archive.

On one hand, I am of the belief that human sexuality and romantic...ity (for lack of a better word) is impossibly complex and varied and I am in support of inventing terms for its variations. On the other, "culpa"? It has nothing to with guilt, come on.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on August 31, 2015, 03:48:26 pm
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/29wnak5.jpg)

Remember: male desire is about dominance, rape, and degradation; female desire is about sparkling stardust and rainbows.

This looks more like a response to the Psycho Lesbian trope than anything, but still, the bit about the "male gaze" was unnecessary because

Quote from: mellenORL on August 31, 2015, 04:03:43 pm
Unwanted gaze is unwanted, no matter the gazer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 01, 2015, 07:54:20 am
Click the link, and you'll see morons getting triggered by hipster breakfast cereals.

https://imgur.com/a/aHwLo (https://imgur.com/a/aHwLo)

I'm failing to see how the minimalist pictures of men and women are instructing that only the respective genders may consume them.  By that logic, Frosted Flakes are for tigers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 01, 2015, 11:21:26 am
How much is that shit anyway? Seven, eight buckinis a box?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 01, 2015, 11:29:33 am
Quote from: Ghoti on August 23, 2015, 10:33:11 am
(http://i.imgur.com/gdmkn9d.png)
Quick reminders about Greek mythology: if you're assigning Tumblr-specific labels to Greek mythology you need to go outside immediately.
Rapist and Bisexual are Tumblr specific labels?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 01, 2015, 04:16:58 pm
Quote from: Even Then on August 31, 2015, 11:51:07 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on August 31, 2015, 12:33:18 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/TY6gKhy.png)

Pride-flags-for-us is the new mogai-archive.

On one hand, I am of the belief that human sexuality and romantic...ity (for lack of a better word) is impossibly complex and varied and I am in support of inventing terms for its variations. On the other, "culpa"? It has nothing to with guilt, come on.

I know Wikipedia isn't the best source, but:
Quote from: Wikipedia
Culpa is a Latin, Spanish, and Portuguese word meaning guilt or fault.

It may also be referring to:

Criminal negligence, called culpa in several legal systems
Mea Culpa, the Latin phrase for "it is my fault"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 02, 2015, 12:12:53 am
Ah I was talking to the people who coined the term.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 02, 2015, 07:57:37 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2aig0m0.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 02, 2015, 08:17:45 am
Honestly, most of these don't qualify as "Worst of Social Justice". And anyway, the nature of triggers as things that trigger a mental problem means that practically anything does have the potential to be a trigger.

But "non-vanilla shaming" in the same category as racism, sexism and ableism? Granted, kinksters are looked at askance quite often, but fuck you for comparing people looking at you weird for bringing up your BDSM fantasies to being systemically dehumanized and shat upon by the privileged class. And I'm pretty sure "sex positive shaming" is less actual shaming and more pointing out legit issues with the sex positivity movement.

Also, that post just makes me think that OP is one of those people who believe that "cisphobia" and "heterophobia" are actual issues that people actually need to be concerned about.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 02, 2015, 11:59:25 am
And now The Mary Sue is claiming Samus Aran is trans.

https://archive.is/1hIKH (https://archive.is/1hIKH)

Mini rant incoming.

I have to say that in general I have no problem with people interpreting a piece of fiction differently than me, it can often lead to a good discussion and you can wind up learning a lot more about the work of fiction and the people you're talking to in the process. 

But as soon as I saw "deal with it" in the title, I knew where this shit was going.  They aimed to say something controversial (dare I say, incendiary) to get people wound up so they could accuse them of transphobia.  It's become a pattern.

And it's really, really pathetic.  Fiction is INHERENTLY DESIGNED to be supplemented by the reader/consumer's imagination - which inevitably means there will be multiple interpretations of different scenes, characters, environments etc.  To act like some sort of authority and state that your interpretation is canon law is simply disrespectful and you should expect people to get upset.

Radflakes need to stop hiding behind accusations of hatred and charged words like "racism" (or in this case, "transphobia") in order to bully/stigmatize people for daring to disagree with them.  Even if you could force someone into feeling bad for believing something or disagreeing with you in some sort of psychological blackmail - is it worth it just to make that person mimic what you are saying?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 02, 2015, 12:35:48 pm
I just ignore difficult people like that. It's the only response they merit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 02, 2015, 03:38:09 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 02, 2015, 07:57:37 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2aig0m0.jpg)

Yes, how dare people have community norms. The bastards.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 02, 2015, 04:38:09 pm
Triggers are so overused on tumblr they've lost all meaning in the real world.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 02, 2015, 06:42:42 pm
That's... not how meaning works. If there are parts of Tumblr that use the concept of trigger warnings wrongly, that doesn't somehow pollute every utterance of the phrase "trigger warning" into being useless and worthy of derision.

Used correctly, trigger warnings harm nobody and can be a lot of help to some.  By all means, object to incorrect use, but pointing at a list and saying "ha ha, they think trigger warnings are a thing" is not doing that. It's just mocking a useful tool.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 02, 2015, 07:53:40 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/zwntih.jpg)

...I got nothing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 02, 2015, 10:08:19 pm
Put her and a Polish Neo-Nazi in a room.

It'll result in either a death battle or the hottest hate sex ever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 02, 2015, 10:28:03 pm
Didn't you know? Europe used to be a paradise, in which herds of wild People of Colour with all kinds of non-binary genders and sexualities roamed free and lived in peace and harmony with one another. That is until the evil white people arrived in the 1930's, systematically erased the poor, helpless, neuro-atypical People of Colour and replaced their once free and happy society with the racist and generally highly problematic dystopia we see today.

It's all 100% true, I read about it from a 14 year old white American on Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 03, 2015, 02:20:24 am
^ I cannot believe you resisted the urge to say; "And then everything changed when the white people attacked."

Then again, that Avatar meme is getting pretty old.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 03, 2015, 02:36:43 am
I mean, it's not like Poland had notable Jewish (the ethnic group, not the religion) and Roma communities that were affected by the Holocaust because of racism. Nope. Just white people, all day errday.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on September 03, 2015, 03:11:44 am
That is true, but they were both still minorities, and Poland has always been one of the pale countries.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 03, 2015, 03:58:43 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 03, 2015, 02:20:24 am
^ I cannot believe you resisted the urge to say; "And then everything changed when the white people attacked."

Then again, that Avatar meme is getting pretty old.
I'm not an Avatar fan, so it was rather easy. In fact, it never even crossed my mind until you mentioned it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 03, 2015, 04:17:54 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on September 03, 2015, 03:11:44 am
That is true, but they were both still minorities, and Poland has always been one of the pale countries.

Fair. Poland's definitely whiter than, say, the USA. Still, claiming that a game's about historical Poland when it's 1) nigh-completely homogenic, 2) not even set in Poland and 3) has fucking sirens and mummies in it is a poor argument.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on September 03, 2015, 04:43:18 am
Quote from: Even Then on September 03, 2015, 04:17:54 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on September 03, 2015, 03:11:44 am
That is true, but they were both still minorities, and Poland has always been one of the pale countries.

Fair. Poland's definitely whiter than, say, the USA. Still, claiming that a game's about historical Poland when it's 1) nigh-completely homogenic, 2) not even set in Poland and 3) has fucking sirens and mummies in it is a poor argument.

Wait, there are mummies!? Where do I fight one of those!? <missing the point>

In all seriousness, though, the game is based of a Polish novel series, and was developed in Poland. It's gonna be rather Polish in appearance. Also the primary area it takes place in is called The Northern Realms, so a pale appearance is expected In the populace. An area like, say, Zerrikania, the games Arabia equivalent, might be darker.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 03, 2015, 04:50:46 am
Fair. To my knowledge, there are at least some nonwhite characters in the earlier games so it's not like the entire series is White Supremacist Fantasyland.

But I still think that homogeny in fiction is creatively lazy (unless it serves a narrative point). However, as I said to someone else I had this conversation with, I don't want to instate minimum quotas of diversity or anything (hell, Okami's one of my favourite games and it's pretty damn homogenic). It's not "you need to include X minorities or you're racist", it's "it's fiction, it can be anything you want, why are you making it so homogenic".

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 03, 2015, 06:56:28 am
And here's their "evidence":

(https://i.imgur.com/VbZtRfE.png)

Fucking lighting, how does it work?

And are you seriously citing a Tumblr blog?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 03, 2015, 07:56:47 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 03, 2015, 02:20:24 am
^ I cannot believe you resisted the urge to say; "And then everything changed when the white people attacked."

Then again, that Avatar meme is getting pretty old.

"On that day, people of colour realized that safety was a pen, people of colour...the cattle."

Thus making white people man-eating giants.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on September 03, 2015, 08:32:06 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 03, 2015, 07:56:47 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 03, 2015, 02:20:24 am
^ I cannot believe you resisted the urge to say; "And then everything changed when the white people attacked."

Then again, that Avatar meme is getting pretty old.

"On that day, people of colour realized that safety was a pen, people of colour...the cattle."

Thus making white people man-eating giants. Maybe.

Sorry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 03, 2015, 08:56:36 am
Oh my god, I found the pride-flags-for-us master list of orientations (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1St3LJRuHWnf_pSGn0G-SKmMDA-yqqUcv9l9kXHFsg4E/edit) and genders (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hg9GVoe6ShYyqBwmGjRon-ZwK9_2qcgr75jh8r7D_rE/edit), which are six and ninteen pages long respectively. I suggest listening to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4) while scrolling.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 03, 2015, 09:48:49 am
That compares to the list of Inuit words describing different types of snow. Except not useful.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 03, 2015, 12:55:59 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 03, 2015, 02:20:24 am
^ I cannot believe you resisted the urge to say; "And then everything changed when the white people attacked."

Then again, that Avatar meme is getting pretty old.

You'd think so, but I saw it used twice today (not counting this).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 03, 2015, 01:38:40 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 03, 2015, 12:55:59 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 03, 2015, 02:20:24 am
^ I cannot believe you resisted the urge to say; "And then everything changed when the white people attacked."

Then again, that Avatar meme is getting pretty old.

You'd think so, but I saw it used twice today (not counting this).

Some people have claimed that this joke has gone for too long and has become too predictable, but then everything changed when the Fire nation attacked...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 03, 2015, 03:17:18 pm
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It's really nice that modern goalposts have wheels on them to move them around more easily.  Could you image how hard it would be if they had to dig them up to move them each time?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on September 04, 2015, 03:02:19 pm
Um...9% is almost 1/10.

For comparison, that would be like having a game set in the modern USA, but with no black people anywhere.  Black people are 1/10 of the US population; to make it so that even the extras include zero black people sends a message, and not a very good one.  (And that's without getting into the growing Latino population, Asian-Americans of various ethnicities, or the 4 million Native Americans still here.)

1 or 2 extras of differing ethnicities programmed in would honestly make games like that look a lot more realistic, and wouldn't take any more time or work than making one of the white extras that's already in the game.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 04, 2015, 03:24:06 pm
Quote from: TheL on September 04, 2015, 03:02:19 pm
Um...9% is almost 1/10.

For comparison, that would be like having a game set in the modern USA, but with no black people anywhere.  Black people are 1/10 of the US population; to make it so that even the extras include zero black people sends a message, and not a very good one.  (And that's without getting into the growing Latino population, Asian-Americans of various ethnicities, or the 4 million Native Americans still here.)

1 or 2 extras of differing ethnicities programmed in would honestly make games like that look a lot more realistic, and wouldn't take any more time or work than making one of the white extras that's already in the game.

And most of that 9% was made up of Jews.  Most Polish Jews look basically white to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 04, 2015, 03:28:39 pm
Honestly the descriptor of "white" is kind of useless anyway. A Swede and a Greek look about as alike as an Indian and a Chinese man, but they're both put under this umbrella of "white", along with Armenians, Spaniards, Scotsmen, and Italians - but not Turks for some reason, and not Roma for some reason. So I have to ask... just what is "white"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 04, 2015, 03:46:54 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 04, 2015, 03:28:39 pm
Honestly the descriptor of "white" is kind of useless anyway. A Swede and a Greek look about as alike as an Indian and a Chinese man, but they're both put under this umbrella of "white", along with Armenians, Spaniards, Scotsmen, and Italians - but not Turks for some reason, and not Roma for some reason. So I have to ask... just what is "white"?

I have no clue.  Other than people from the "right" parts of France, Germany, Scandinavia and the British Isles, it seems like nobody is unambiguously white.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 04, 2015, 06:19:29 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2dv7vxi.jpg)

1.  Adrian Peterson is still playing for the Minnesota Vikings.

2.  Ray Rice is eligible to play.

3.  Aaron Hernandez committed first-degree murder.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on September 04, 2015, 06:45:40 pm
4. Roger Goodell didn't like the verdict.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 04, 2015, 07:47:12 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 04, 2015, 03:28:39 pm
Honestly the descriptor of "white" is kind of useless anyway. A Swede and a Greek look about as alike as an Indian and a Chinese man, but they're both put under this umbrella of "white", along with Armenians, Spaniards, Scotsmen, and Italians - but not Turks for some reason, and not Roma for some reason. So I have to ask... just what is "white"?
I've seen "white" refer to anything from only northern and western Europeans (Iberians not included), to all Europeans, Middle Easterners, North Africans and Indians. Needless to say, it'll probably be a while before we ever get a concrete definition.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 05, 2015, 01:26:32 am
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/4562fb2ea8ea32787f88176617abe931/tumblr_ntt2w9EpRb1sipk57o1_540.jpg)

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 05, 2015, 01:52:51 am
So, there's this post:  http://weirdlyghostly.tumblr.com/post/120323175755/did-u-know-being-mentally-ill-doesnt-give-u-a (http://weirdlyghostly.tumblr.com/post/120323175755/did-u-know-being-mentally-ill-doesnt-give-u-a)

Here's one reply:

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This is ableism within the mental health community at its finest.

Are we just going to ignore the fact that sometimes unfavourable behaviour towards others are actually symptoms of disorders or nah

Like PLEASE go tell my cousin with severe autism who can’t even talk that him hitting someone bc he literally does not have any grasp on social norms is his fault.

Just because one individual with two ~*~*anxiety~*~*~ disorders or someone with depression is not only able to critically analyze their behaviour (believe it or not, not everyone can) but as a result change it, does not mean that every single individual affected by mental health problems can do the same or that every single mental disorder manifests itself in the same way.

It won't be your cousin's fault, but it can be the responsibility of whoever's caring for him.  Mental illness doesn't supersede other peoples' right to health and safety.

And then there's this response. (http://crystallineprincess.tumblr.com/post/124239699715)  I won't post all of it because it's long as hell, but here are some highlights.

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It’s sort of the equivalent of “Just because you’re queer doesn’t mean you can’t sometimes be mean to straight people about other stuff!”
. . .
Instead of BS PSAs like this further guilting people who are often already cripplingly afraid of hurting people, we need to educate more as to what an outburst looks like, how to deal with it. If people know that an attack isn’t personal and isn’t a conscious choice(unlike most “unintentional” transgressions) it becomes a lot easier for people to deal with it.
. . .
Having run a small trans group for some years, I’ve had to learn to that too. Some people will try and push me away completely and say horrid things even though I’ve always supported them. They are usually in a state of intense self loathing, and the absolute WORST thing I could do to resolve this situation is follow OP’s advice. Please stop telling this to Neurodiverse people. We already hate ourselves enough.
. . .
I’m honestly fearful for how people will react to me even saying this. I was genuinely shit scared when it came to this section of my talk, because some Feminists(especially White/Cis Feminists™) can be genuinely frightening when you challenge stuff like this. People need to stop conflating mental illness with abuse in general because more often than not, statistically we’re the ones who end up suffering abuse. But we’re not allowed to challenge the dominant narratives of who we are and what we do, we don’t own those, we don’t own ourselves.

If this shit was about almost literally ANY OTHER marginalised group, it wouldn’t fly. But for ND people it seems to.

As long as you want to make comparisons, saying "NDs are more likely to be abused than be an abuser" to stop messages like this is sort of like saying "women face more out-of-prison rapes and abuse than men" to stop reminding people that men can be abuse victims, too (and this is something radfems like to do).

I think this person does have some good points, but the overall message seems to say "ND people suffer more than NT people, so NTs are obligated to endure harmful behavior for the sake of NDs especially if it's out of their control".  A person who is so mentally ill that they have uncontrollable, physically violent outbursts isn't hitting you because they're an asshole, but you'll have a broken nose regardless; unless it's your actual job to handle these people, you have every right to remove yourself from the danger they present.  It's not their fault, but it's not yours either, and you don't deserve to be injured any more than they deserve to be harmed in retaliation for their uncontrollable outburst.

The same goes for mental and emotional health.  Harmful behavior is harmful behavior, and no amount of self-loathing will change that.  It also won't change the fact that the OP's original message is true; mentally ill people can be outright shitty people, and will use their illness to avoid repercussion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 05, 2015, 03:42:22 am
i hate the fact that i lose my memory and control of myself when i have an episode. i live in dread of having one. does that make me a bad person? no. if i blamed all of my dickishness on my illness as a free pass, i'd be an asshole. instead, i make amends and loathe myself some more.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 05, 2015, 08:27:04 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/28lyp3a.jpg)

Are you sure you want another French Revolution?  Because it eventually killed its most radical elements.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 05, 2015, 08:37:09 pm
I recall reading a column by a billionaire warning his ilk the French Revolution would come again if they did not stop their more aggrandizing behavior. And I guess we just saw the first blows of that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 05, 2015, 10:02:34 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 05, 2015, 08:37:09 pm
I recall reading a column by a billionaire warning his ilk the French Revolution would come again if they did not stop their more aggrandizing behavior. And I guess we just saw the first blows of that.

Maybe I should've provided a little more context.  It's in reference to this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-investigating-package-filled-with-cash-dropped-off-at-door-of-slain-family/2015/05/20/a100af9e-ff07-11e4-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-investigating-package-filled-with-cash-dropped-off-at-door-of-slain-family/2015/05/20/a100af9e-ff07-11e4-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html)

How anybody can think this tragedy is the beginning of French Revolution II: Electric Boogaloo is beyond me.  Really, all signs point to this being motivated by simple greed. 

Furthermore, the victim-blaming implications leap off the page.  Why would she make that comparison when it comes to something like this?  Well, let's see, the French Revolution was motivated in part by the abuses of the Second Estate, aka the Aristocracy.  With that in mind, she seems to be implying that they had it coming.

And the reason this is in Worst of Social Justice?  Well, according to the person who posted this image, she's got black supremacist beliefs.  The prime suspect is black, and most of the victims were white.  So it seems like she views this as "chickens coming home to roost".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 06, 2015, 03:07:57 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/6p191z.jpg)

It's not legal to murder trans people, it's legal to attempt to use "trans panic" as a defense in court.  Whether the judge or jury take this defense seriously is another matter entirely.

And why the hell did they lump drag queens in with rapists and child molesters?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 06, 2015, 03:12:41 pm
It's a rhetorical device, UP. People not using exact legal terminology is not the worst thing about social justice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 06, 2015, 03:16:07 pm
Because drag queens are perceived to mock transgender-ness by making a show of it, or that's what I've seen talked about at least.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 06, 2015, 03:24:16 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 06, 2015, 03:12:41 pm
It's a rhetorical device, UP. People not using exact legal terminology is not the worst thing about social justice.

It's still factually wrong.  California's the only state to specifically ban the trans panic defense, but there are many states where using provocation as a defense isn't allowed.  And that includes the trans panic defense.

Quote from: Even Then on September 06, 2015, 03:16:07 pm
Because drag queens are perceived to mock transgender-ness by making a show of it, or that's what I've seen talked about at least.

I'm sure trans drag queens would disagree with that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 06, 2015, 03:46:20 pm
Eh, personally I don't know enough to form an opinion of it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 06, 2015, 05:42:25 pm
And considering some trans people start out as drag queens I'm not sure why the person is lumping them in with child rapists et al.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 06, 2015, 05:51:20 pm
That too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 06, 2015, 07:02:38 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2isxzwi.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 06, 2015, 08:38:05 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 06, 2015, 07:02:38 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2isxzwi.jpg)

I know what to do...

...call a psychiatrist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 06, 2015, 08:43:24 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 06, 2015, 07:02:38 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2isxzwi.jpg)

I think the stupidest thing about this post is that this person doesn't know that foxes are just as cliche.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on September 06, 2015, 10:14:57 pm
Oh yeah?  Well, I'm a tenrec-kin!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 06, 2015, 10:22:30 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 06, 2015, 03:24:16 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 06, 2015, 03:12:41 pm
It's a rhetorical device, UP. People not using exact legal terminology is not the worst thing about social justice.

It's still factually wrong.  California's the only state to specifically ban the trans panic defense, but there are many states where using provocation as a defense isn't allowed.  And that includes the trans panic defense.

Good to know, if true. Source?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 07, 2015, 07:51:52 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 06, 2015, 10:22:30 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 06, 2015, 03:24:16 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 06, 2015, 03:12:41 pm
It's a rhetorical device, UP. People not using exact legal terminology is not the worst thing about social justice.

It's still factually wrong.  California's the only state to specifically ban the trans panic defense, but there are many states where using provocation as a defense isn't allowed.  And that includes the trans panic defense.

Good to know, if true. Source?

This is a little embarrassing.  I had a source, but now I can't find it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 07, 2015, 05:39:49 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 06, 2015, 07:02:38 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2isxzwi.jpg)
Is part of being an otherkin not typing in English?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 07, 2015, 06:16:40 pm
Quote from: georgemilson on September 07, 2015, 05:49:13 pm
Considering the amount of difficulty they have grasping the idea that the vacuum of space is not a gender, or that 'heteroflexible' is just another way of saying 'I totes give brojobs but I'm not gay', I would figure that the simplest concepts of the English language such as punctuation, capitalization, and syntax escape them.

But maybe I'm just ableist scum for actually knowing what words mean and how things are spelled.

just to be clear. that does not escape me. however, it is a visual signature. (and it niggles people, so i'll keep doing it).

re: that idiot, truly, "otherkins" are nothing more than a fantasy fad. either that, or i'm a 1958 gibson flying v-kin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 07, 2015, 06:51:57 pm
To be fair, I don't see that line being crossed in tumblr user yipyapfox's little lament. In general, the idea of "person X is talking about their experiences more times than I find acceptable/in a way I, who am not person X, don't find acceptable, therefore they're making THEIR ENTIRE LIVES about it and they need mental help, I, the person who am not person X, know this because I'm a certified Internet mind reader"* quite aggravating tbh. It's "if you talk about your mental illness without hating yourself, you're romanticizing mental illness" all over again.

(not necessarily trying to put that in your mouth, it's the general attitude that your post reminded me of)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 07, 2015, 07:31:21 pm
re: the studies. best guess? this. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder) or this. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_disorder) possibly this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis), but i can't really speak about it, since for me it deluded me into thinking i was precognitive, rather than a furball.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on September 07, 2015, 08:32:14 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 05, 2015, 08:37:09 pm
I recall reading a column by a billionaire warning his ilk the French Revolution would come again if they did not stop their more aggrandizing behavior. And I guess we just saw the first blows of that.

I know the conversation's moved on, but I think I found the article:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014

Is that it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 07, 2015, 08:37:12 pm
Yeah, that's it.

To be perfectly honest, I would have exactly no problems with the plutocrats getting the axe.

Or, to be accurate to reference, the guillotine.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 07, 2015, 08:38:24 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on September 07, 2015, 08:37:12 pm
Yeah, that's it.

To be perfectly honest, I would have exactly no problems with the plutocrats getting the axe.

Or, to be accurate to reference, the guillotine.

Well, you ought to be careful you don't end up on the wrong end of the blade.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 07, 2015, 09:35:34 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 07, 2015, 05:39:49 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 06, 2015, 07:02:38 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2isxzwi.jpg)
Is part of being an otherkin not typing in English?

That's tumblr dialect. Using a particular style of capitalization/punctuation/etc to convey tone.

(you have no idea how many posts on tumblr linguistics cross my dash)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 08, 2015, 01:36:27 am
I just realized that if all these Tumblr "kintypes" and snowflake genders would have stuck to something like the "Fursonas" that the furries have they would be much less annoying. I mean, what they really want is something that makes them feel special but if they were using the clearly fictional fursonas (or anything like that) rather than trying to pretend that they have their own speshul genders or mental illness it would at least be less annoying and probably much healthier for them...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 08, 2015, 01:03:03 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/24wdq38.jpg)

Okay, I think I see the problem here.  It's a language barrier.  When you say "I hate white people," I take that to mean that you hate white people.  But that was my bad for not translating Standard American English into Tumblrspeak, which would produce something like, "I'm a 2edgy4u teenager with no problems and I just like to complain."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 08, 2015, 10:10:48 pm
That reminds me of a post of FSTDT way back when. It was a racist arguing that "I hate niggers" doesn't actually mean "I hate all black people", but rather "I hate 'gangsta' black people".

Horseshoe theory never fails to disappoint.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 09, 2015, 02:12:52 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 08, 2015, 10:10:48 pm
That reminds me of a post of FSTDT way back when. It was a racist arguing that "I hate niggers" doesn't actually mean "I hate all black people", but rather "I hate 'gangsta' black people".

Horseshoe theory never fails to disappoint.

KKK member said that in the Michael Moore series as well. They were trying to rebrand the word nigger so that it would people of all ethnics groups who the KKK thought to be worthless scum.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 08:18:23 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/33ua5aw.jpg)

Isn't this body-shaming?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 08:51:13 am
No, because there's a difference between hating real women with big boobs and hating sexually objectified, stereotyped character design.

However, Ernest is still full of shit because sexism and racism are two different issues.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 09:12:22 am
Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 08:51:13 am
No, because there's a difference between hating real women with big boobs and hating sexually objectified, stereotyped character design.

When's the last game a legitimate "bimbo" actually existed in gaming?  As in, is legitimately dumb and useless, and only exists for eye candy?  Google and I are both drawing a blank.

Besides, there are plenty of women who genuinely enjoy sexualized female characters.  It's not just lesbian and bisexual women either.  Why?  Simply put, because lots of women want to be them.

Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 08:51:13 am
However, Ernest is still full of shit because sexism and racism are two different issues.

And having a character with big breasts isn't "sexism".  Honestly, this guy's stereotyping (admittedly fictitious) women based on their appearance.  How is that not misogynistic?

Moreover, it's strange that he compares his "fighting" against "big-boobed bimbos" to black activists fighting against racist stereotypes because "they were sick of black people being portrayed as servants and amusement for white people".  He's not a woman so what gives him the authority to decide that it's the same for women?  How does he know that women are "sick" of anything?  Isn't talking over women and telling them what they are or should be offended by kinda mansplaining?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 09:25:25 am
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When's the last game a legitimate "bimbo" actually existed in gaming?  As in, is legitimately dumb and useless, and only exists for eye candy?

Fair.

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Honestly, this guy's stereotyping (admittedly fictitious) women based on their appearance.  How is that not misogynistic?

It's this same refrain I see from dudebros on Tumblr: "If you're criticizing this needlessly sexualized design, you're being misogynistic! Why do you hate women who dress sexily, feminists?" Which... no. That's not how it works. At all.

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Moreover, it's strange that he compares his "fighting" against "big-boobed bimbos" to black activists fighting against racist stereotypes because "they were sick of black people being portrayed as servants and amusement for white people".  He's not a woman so what gives him the authority to decide that it's the same for women?  How does he know that women are "sick" of anything?  Isn't talking over women and telling them what they are or should be offended by kinda mansplaining?

Yeah, comparing the two issues is offensive to the actual literal fucking slavery black people went through. And sure, there might be women who don't mind, or women who like the designs. But... maybe he... listens to the scores of women who do have an issue with it? Some women not minding constant sexualization of women in gaming doesn't erase the fact that women are consistently sexualized while men aren't. (And vice versa, tbf.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 09:38:19 am
Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 09:25:25 am
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Honestly, this guy's stereotyping (admittedly fictitious) women based on their appearance.  How is that not misogynistic?

It's this same refrain I see from dudebros on Tumblr: "If you're criticizing this needlessly sexualized design, you're being misogynistic! Why do you hate women who dress sexily, feminists?" Which... no. That's not how it works. At all.

Then pray tell, how exactly does it work?

Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 09:25:25 am
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Moreover, it's strange that he compares his "fighting" against "big-boobed bimbos" to black activists fighting against racist stereotypes because "they were sick of black people being portrayed as servants and amusement for white people".  He's not a woman so what gives him the authority to decide that it's the same for women?  How does he know that women are "sick" of anything?  Isn't talking over women and telling them what they are or should be offended by kinda mansplaining?

Yeah, comparing the two issues is offensive to the actual literal fucking slavery black people went through. And sure, there might be women who don't mind, or women who like the designs. But... maybe he... listens to the scores of women who do have an issue with it? Some women not minding constant sexualization of women in gaming doesn't erase the fact that women are consistently sexualized while men aren't. (And vice versa, tbf.)

Define "consistently".  What about Jade from Beyond Good and Evil?  Or Joanna Dark?  Or numerous Bioware characters?

And I don't doubt that some women have problems with it.  But here's my question: why don't they just enjoy games that fit their standards?  Like George Carlin said, it's freedom of choice!  Don't like a game, don't play it.  Nobody's forcing you to.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 09, 2015, 09:53:10 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 09:38:19 am
And I don't doubt that some women have problems with it.  But here's my question: why don't they just enjoy games that fit their standards?  Like George Carlin said, it's freedom of choice!  Don't like a game, don't play it.  Nobody's forcing you to.
In all fairness, nobody's trying to literally force people to only write characters that appeal to them (granted, there's always a few of those idiots, but they can get fucked), they're simply voicing their own desires for less sexualised female characters. That's also a rather important freedom, last I checked, and it's not a bad thing, either. That sort of feedback is kind of important for developers if they want to know what their audience wants.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 09:55:37 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 09, 2015, 09:53:10 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 09:38:19 am
And I don't doubt that some women have problems with it.  But here's my question: why don't they just enjoy games that fit their standards?  Like George Carlin said, it's freedom of choice!  Don't like a game, don't play it.  Nobody's forcing you to.
In all fairness, nobody's trying to literally force people to only write characters that appeal to them (granted, there's always a few of those idiots, but they can get fucked), they're simply voicing their own desires for less sexualised female characters. That's also a rather important freedom, last I checked, and it's not a bad thing, either. That sort of feedback is kind of important for developers if they want to know what their audience wants.

Oh, I have no problem with female characters who are less sexualized.  My problem comes from the implication that sexualized female characters are inherently sinful problematic and have to go.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 09, 2015, 10:00:01 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 09:55:37 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 09, 2015, 09:53:10 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 09:38:19 am
And I don't doubt that some women have problems with it.  But here's my question: why don't they just enjoy games that fit their standards?  Like George Carlin said, it's freedom of choice!  Don't like a game, don't play it.  Nobody's forcing you to.
In all fairness, nobody's trying to literally force people to only write characters that appeal to them (granted, there's always a few of those idiots, but they can get fucked), they're simply voicing their own desires for less sexualised female characters. That's also a rather important freedom, last I checked, and it's not a bad thing, either. That sort of feedback is kind of important for developers if they want to know what their audience wants.

Oh, I have no problem with female characters who are less sexualized.  My problem comes from the implication that sexualized female characters are inherently sinful problematic and have to go.

Sure, but that's not exactly the point I was addressing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 10:24:26 am
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Define "consistently".  What about Jade from Beyond Good and Evil?  Or Joanna Dark?  Or numerous Bioware characters?

Consistently =/= EVERY GAME EBER. Consistently = this happens often enough to be a trend.

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Then pray tell, how exactly does it work?

Criticizing a design is not the same as criticizing a real person. The women from DoA, to have an example, aren't real. They aren't dressing sexily because they want to, like real-life women are, they're dressing sexily because they were designed as softcore porn. And that's why there's no point in crying misogyny when oversexualized female design is criticized.

Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 09, 2015, 10:00:01 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 09:55:37 am
Oh, I have no problem with female characters who are less sexualized.  My problem comes from the implication that sexualized female characters are inherently sinful problematic and have to go.

Sure, but that's not exactly the point I was addressing.

Me neither, actually. Sexualized design can be done in a non-degrading way, Bayonetta's certainly really close to a good way to do a sexy female character. There's a difference between a sexy character design and a sexually objectifying character design.

Also, I'm tired of having people say "you have a problem with this oversexualized design? you're a prude who hates sex!". Again, doesn't work that way, and the oversimplification makes me want to break things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 09, 2015, 11:16:10 am
Speaking as just one lesbian, and a high percentage of lesbians are in fact gamers, I can say that overly sexualized female characters are amusing at best. I'd rather look at a fit female with realistic skills. Model a Ronda Rousey morph as a female action game lead, and you're onto something that will have vastly greater appeal to more gamers, including the horny teenage boy trope that some game designers seem have solely in mind. For the best examples to mirror in male leads, think female counterparts to leads ranging from the Prince of Persia to Sam Fisher.

(http://i.imgur.com/91Ed7AM.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Va9JSSWl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/fS5OfzE.jpg)

Maybe game designers with poor taste like having jiggly eye candy as playable characters because they have to look at them for thousands of hours during production? If it's marketing departments or senior producers who are keeping the status quo, then they apparently ignore half or more of the game buying public.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 02:53:41 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 10:24:26 am
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Define "consistently".  What about Jade from Beyond Good and Evil?  Or Joanna Dark?  Or numerous Bioware characters?

Consistently =/= EVERY GAME EBER. Consistently = this happens often enough to be a trend.

Exactly.  It's not universal.  I'll get back to that later.

Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 10:24:26 am
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Then pray tell, how exactly does it work?

Criticizing a design is not the same as criticizing a real person. The women from DoA, to have an example, aren't real. They aren't dressing sexily because they want to, like real-life women are, they're dressing sexily because they were designed as softcore porn.

Funny you should mention Dead or Alive.  See, most of the female characters are sexualized characters, but they're sexualized characters, not sexualized characters (DoAX notwithstanding).  Some to a greater degree than others, to be sure, but none of them are nearly as bad as the cringeworthy depiction of women in Ride to Hell: Retribution.

Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 10:24:26 am
And that's why there's no point in crying misogyny when oversexualized female design is criticized.

Obviously, not all criticism of sexualized female characters is misogynistic.  But this honestly strikes me as such.  Comparing women with big breasts to blackface caricatures is dehumanizing.

Moreover, there are busty women who actually want women with bigger breasts in games, because it makes them feel represented:

https://twitter.com/alison_prime/status/624419644804366336 (https://twitter.com/alison_prime/status/624419644804366336)

"Be quiet, honey.  Men are talking about how oppressed you are."

Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 10:24:26 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 09, 2015, 10:00:01 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 09:55:37 am
Oh, I have no problem with female characters who are less sexualized.  My problem comes from the implication that sexualized female characters are inherently sinful problematic and have to go.

Sure, but that's not exactly the point I was addressing.

Me neither, actually. Sexualized design can be done in a non-degrading way, Bayonetta's certainly really close to a good way to do a sexy female character. There's a difference between a sexy character design and a sexually objectifying character design.

Oh, I definitely agree.  There are good ways to sexualize, and bad ways to sexualize.

Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 10:24:26 am
Also, I'm tired of having people say "you have a problem with this oversexualized design? you're a prude who hates sex!". Again, doesn't work that way, and the oversimplification makes me want to break things.

I agree, that's not necessarily the case.  There are some perfectly valid reasons to criticize oversexualized women in video games.  The problem, however, comes from wanting them removed altogether, like this jackass.  And he's not just some neckbeard with a Facebook account, he's the founder of the IGDA.  This is extremely disconcerting.

Quote from: mellenORL on September 09, 2015, 11:16:10 am
Speaking as just one lesbian, and a high percentage of lesbians are in fact gamers, I can say that overly sexualized female characters are amusing at best.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j80kbLow6z0/UcRxb-inqSI/AAAAAAAAJ8Q/2OYK0ZiRg48/s1600/Yeah-well-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man.jpg)

Don't get me wrong, it's perfectly valid, but you can't claim to speak for all female gamers, or even all lesbian gamers.

Quote from: mellenORL on September 09, 2015, 11:16:10 am
I'd rather look at a fit female with realistic skills. Model a Ronda Rousey morph as a female action game lead, and you're onto something that will have vastly greater appeal to more gamers, including the horny teenage boy trope that some game designers seem have solely in mind.

Totally with you on this one.  I wouldn't mind seeing more body type diversity in gaming.

Quote from: mellenORL on September 09, 2015, 11:16:10 am
Maybe game designers with poor taste like having jiggly eye candy as playable characters because they have to look at them for thousands of hours during production? If it's marketing departments or senior producers who are keeping the status quo, then they apparently ignore half or more of the game buying public.

Here's my question, though: why doesn't the gaming press talk about female characters who fit their standards?  Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough, but to me, it seems like these "culture critics" are always bitching and moaning about Tifa, or Lara, or somebody else.  You'd think they would want to talk about games that "get it right", so to speak.  Why don't we hear more about Aegis Defenders?  Or Dark Storm?  That's like if movie critics complained about the lack of explosions in romantic comedies, but never once mentioned films like The Expendables.  Either they're horribly ignorant, or they're deliberately avoiding mentioning games that don't fit their narrative.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 03:04:12 pm
Quote from: UP
Obviously, not all criticism of sexualized female characters is misogynistic.  But this honestly strikes me as such.  Comparing women with big breasts to blackface caricatures is dehumanizing.

Moreover, there are busty women who actually want women with bigger breasts in games, because it makes them feel represented:

https://twitter.com/alison_prime/status/624419644804366336

"Be quiet, honey.  Men are talking about how oppressed you are."

...okay? That's real neat for those women, and their experiences and feelings on the matter are still valid, I've never questioned this. Wanting to see yourself in fiction is completely legit.

But. And here's the kicker. That doesn't make the opinion of women who do have a problem with oversexualized female character designs any less valid. It doesn't work that way. It's not matter and antimatter.

"Be quiet, honey.  Men are talking about how oppressed you are."

Or maybe I've been listening to women who do have a problem with the way their gender is commonly represented in games. (But yeah, this guy can eat a pile of shit for comparing the issue to antiblack racism in the US. Both serious problems, but only the latter has actually gotten people killed and literally goddamn enslaved.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 03:10:17 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 03:04:12 pm
Quote from: UP
Obviously, not all criticism of sexualized female characters is misogynistic.  But this honestly strikes me as such.  Comparing women with big breasts to blackface caricatures is dehumanizing.

Moreover, there are busty women who actually want women with bigger breasts in games, because it makes them feel represented:

https://twitter.com/alison_prime/status/624419644804366336

"Be quiet, honey.  Men are talking about how oppressed you are."

...okay? That's real neat for those women, and their experiences and feelings on the matter are still valid, I've never questioned this. Wanting to see yourself in fiction is completely legit.

But. And here's the kicker. That doesn't make the opinion of women who do have a problem with oversexualized female character designs any less valid. It doesn't work that way. It's not matter and antimatter.

Oh, of course not.  I never said it did.

"Be quiet, honey.  Men are talking about how oppressed you are."

Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 03:04:12 pm
Or maybe I've been listening to women who do have a problem with the way their gender is commonly represented in games. (But yeah, this guy can eat a pile of shit for comparing the issue to antiblack racism in the US. Both serious problems, but only the latter has actually gotten people killed and literally goddamn enslaved.)

Agreed wholeheartedly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 09, 2015, 04:47:19 pm
Oh is it that time of the month?  Guess UP has to bring up a certain subject he's been told not to again.

Ironbite-let's watch him try and justify this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 05:02:29 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 03:10:17 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 03:04:12 pm
Quote from: UP
Obviously, not all criticism of sexualized female characters is misogynistic.  But this honestly strikes me as such.  Comparing women with big breasts to blackface caricatures is dehumanizing.

Moreover, there are busty women who actually want women with bigger breasts in games, because it makes them feel represented:

https://twitter.com/alison_prime/status/624419644804366336

"Be quiet, honey.  Men are talking about how oppressed you are."

...okay? That's real neat for those women, and their experiences and feelings on the matter are still valid, I've never questioned this. Wanting to see yourself in fiction is completely legit.

But. And here's the kicker. That doesn't make the opinion of women who do have a problem with oversexualized female character designs any less valid. It doesn't work that way. It's not matter and antimatter.

Oh, of course not.  I never said it did.


I've just encountered this attitude of "well, some members of <group> don't MIND this, therefore the ones that DO are just whining for no reason" so many damn times that my patience grows thin whenever I catch even a whiff of it. You probably weren't intentionally trying to come across like that, but other jackfucks on Tumblr and such always keep bringing up that particular fringe of women that doesn't mind catcalling/oversexualization/etc. as a bludgeon, as a "checkmate" against feminism.

Fuck, that peeves me.

Quote from: ironbite on September 09, 2015, 04:47:19 pm
Oh is it that time of the month?  Guess UP has to bring up a certain subject he's been told not to again.

Ironbite-let's watch him try and justify this.

Sorry, I was the one who incited this conversation to begin with.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 05:06:48 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 05:02:29 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 03:10:17 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 03:04:12 pm
Quote from: UP
Obviously, not all criticism of sexualized female characters is misogynistic.  But this honestly strikes me as such.  Comparing women with big breasts to blackface caricatures is dehumanizing.

Moreover, there are busty women who actually want women with bigger breasts in games, because it makes them feel represented:

https://twitter.com/alison_prime/status/624419644804366336

"Be quiet, honey.  Men are talking about how oppressed you are."

...okay? That's real neat for those women, and their experiences and feelings on the matter are still valid, I've never questioned this. Wanting to see yourself in fiction is completely legit.

But. And here's the kicker. That doesn't make the opinion of women who do have a problem with oversexualized female character designs any less valid. It doesn't work that way. It's not matter and antimatter.

Oh, of course not.  I never said it did.


I've just encountered this attitude of "well, some members of <group> don't MIND this, therefore the ones that DO are just whining for no reason" so many damn times that my patience grows thin whenever I catch even a whiff of it. You probably weren't intentionally trying to come across like that, but other jackfucks on Tumblr and such always keep bringing up that particular fringe of women that doesn't mind catcalling/oversexualization/etc. as a bludgeon, as a "checkmate" against feminism.

Fuck, that peeves me.

Okay, I think I get you.  But don't worry, I don't believe in broad strokes dismissals.  Women make up half the world's population, so we shouldn't dismiss women who think one way just because some other women have a different opinion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 09, 2015, 05:11:19 pm
Amen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 05:26:44 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2lcwfab.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 09, 2015, 05:46:49 pm
dear god, the doublethink. what about black panthers and the like? are they prejudiced against whites when they broadly claim "black power"? or what about latinos who are racist as all hell? hell, there's a pretty famous idiot black supremacist who's been cited on fstdt quite a few times advocating the genocide of whites (and latinos just to be sure)...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 09, 2015, 07:32:34 pm
Assata Shakur says hi.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 09, 2015, 09:47:25 pm
Quote from: guizonde on September 09, 2015, 05:46:49 pm
dear god, the doublethink. what about black panthers and the like? are they prejudiced against whites when they broadly claim "black power"? or what about latinos who are racist as all hell? hell, there's a pretty famous idiot black supremacist who's been cited on fstdt quite a few times advocating the genocide of whites (and latinos just to be sure)...
That black panthers weren't really black supremacists (no, I'm not saying they weren't crazy), the CoI on the other hand, was.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 09:48:14 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 09, 2015, 09:47:25 pm
Quote from: guizonde on September 09, 2015, 05:46:49 pm
dear god, the doublethink. what about black panthers and the like? are they prejudiced against whites when they broadly claim "black power"? or what about latinos who are racist as all hell? hell, there's a pretty famous idiot black supremacist who's been cited on fstdt quite a few times advocating the genocide of whites (and latinos just to be sure)...
That black panthers weren't really black supremacists (no, I'm not saying they weren't crazy), the CoI on the other hand, was.

Well, the New Black Panthers definitely are.

And who are the CoI?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 09, 2015, 09:49:10 pm
Church of Islam

Edit: not sure why I shortened it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 09, 2015, 09:51:45 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 09, 2015, 09:49:10 pm
Church of Islam

Edit: not sure why I shortened it.

I think you mean the Nation of Islam.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 09, 2015, 11:32:43 pm
Oh, yeah.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 10, 2015, 12:01:17 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/250q9zl.jpg)

Go fuck yourself.  When you're having dick-measuring contests over which homeless people have it the worst, you've crossed the line from obnoxious to abhorrent.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: VainRobot on September 11, 2015, 03:13:28 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 10, 2015, 12:01:17 pm

Go fuck yourself.  When you're having dick-measuring contests over which homeless people have it the worst, you've crossed the line from obnoxious to abhorrent.

Poverty is terrible for everyone who deals with it, but it is true that white Americans experience significantly more social mobility than black Americans.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2013/08/28-social-mobility-race-opportunity-reeves (http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2013/08/28-social-mobility-race-opportunity-reeves)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: VainRobot on September 11, 2015, 03:19:03 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/AkGPMPV.png)

Yeah, white people should speak American!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on September 11, 2015, 03:26:30 pm
These people do realize there are White Spanish people right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: VainRobot on September 11, 2015, 03:28:12 pm
I heard a rumor that there's a country full of white people that speaks Spanish. Can't quite remember the name though...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 11, 2015, 03:28:18 pm
Also, pretty sure Mexican is not an actual language.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 11, 2015, 03:31:58 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 11, 2015, 03:28:18 pm
Also, pretty sure Mexican is not an actual language.

Well, there are some differences between Mexican Spanish and Castilian Spanish, but they're not really distinct languages.

In any case, lots of Mexicans are white.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 11, 2015, 05:03:19 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 11, 2015, 03:31:58 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 11, 2015, 03:28:18 pm
Also, pretty sure Mexican is not an actual language.

Well, there are some differences between Mexican Spanish and Castilian Spanish, but they're not really distinct languages.

In any case, lots of Mexicans are white.

Kinda like how there's a lot of differences between British English and American English.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on September 11, 2015, 05:08:40 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 11, 2015, 05:03:19 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 11, 2015, 03:31:58 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 11, 2015, 03:28:18 pm
Also, pretty sure Mexican is not an actual language.

Well, there are some differences between Mexican Spanish and Castilian Spanish, but they're not really distinct languages.

In any case, lots of Mexicans are white.

Kinda like how there's a lot of differences between British English and American English.
Newfoundland English. Full stop.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 11, 2015, 05:16:59 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/22nsdd.jpg)

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/806/919/8d4.jpg)

FUCK YOU!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 13, 2015, 10:15:31 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Ji0qcCf.png)
Isn't it racist, sexist, etc to assume that certain groups can't speak/write properly?

(http://i.imgur.com/8BCbFa5.png)
Go. Outside. Seriously. Doctors don't assign a sex at birth to be oppressive binary shitlords, they do it because there are differences between male bodies and female bodies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 13, 2015, 10:57:49 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on September 13, 2015, 10:15:31 pm
Isn't it racist, sexist, etc to assume that certain groups can't speak/write properly?

No. If you manufacture a permanently uneducated underclass it's perfectly reasonable for commoners to have a far harder time gathering the resources they need to speak and write "properly". The best part is you can tell right away what class someone is in by listening to them speak for a few seconds.

If you look at history that's a feature of language, not a bug.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 14, 2015, 08:28:30 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2yv81sl.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 14, 2015, 08:37:11 am
Hey, I know them feels. As a cloud of fart gas trapped in a human body, let me just say that it's a tough life. Very tough indeed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 14, 2015, 10:02:38 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 14, 2015, 08:28:30 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2yv81sl.jpg)
I do LSD as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 14, 2015, 01:04:23 pm
Some people are calling Rashid from Street Fighter a racist caricature:

https://archive.is/IiFsP (https://archive.is/IiFsP)

This despite the fact that the character was applauded when unveiled in Dubai:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-m3O2n4czs

Reminds me of the Speedy Gonzales debacle.  Or this cartoon:

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2wphvlk.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 14, 2015, 02:17:52 pm
I think one of the biggest problems is the sheer amount of Americentricism in places like Tumblr.  It's a point I've seen brought up before, like during that kimono wearing art exhibit; what nationals might find inoffensive could be the opposite for Americans.  This is because people in Dubai or Japan don't face the same prejudices that Japanese and Muslim Americans face while living in a white-run country like the US.  Still, it doesn't help when "people living in different areas have different experiences" becomes "American and European minorities are the only ones whose opinions matter so when we say it's objectively offensive, it's objectively offensive".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: VainRobot on September 14, 2015, 03:42:21 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on September 14, 2015, 02:17:52 pm
I think one of the biggest problems is the sheer amount of Americentricism in places like Tumblr.  It's a point I've seen brought up before, like during that kimono wearing art exhibit; what nationals might find inoffensive could be the opposite for Americans.  This is because people in Dubai or Japan don't face the same prejudices that Japanese and Muslim Americans face while living in a white-run country like the US.  Still, it doesn't help when "people living in different areas have different experiences" becomes "American and European minorities are the only ones whose opinions matter so when we say it's objectively offensive, it's objectively offensive".

Absolutely. People of color in the US are (and should be) more sensitive to racist caricatures because such caricatures have been used to denigrate their communities for hundreds of years. Meanwhile, in non-Western countries, people have not faced the same level of personal discrimination. They have faced oppression from Imperialist overlords, but in most countries this was much more faceless than what people in the US experienced.

Tumblr needs more perspective. There are important experiences outside the US and the rest of the West that should be taken into account.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on September 14, 2015, 04:54:10 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 14, 2015, 01:04:23 pm
Some people are calling Rashid from Street Fighter a racist caricature:

https://archive.is/IiFsP (https://archive.is/IiFsP)

This despite the fact that the character was applauded when unveiled in Dubai:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-m3O2n4czs

My issue isn't with Rashid himself.  My issue is with the fact that a walking sheik caricature was revealed as a playable character on September 11.  Seriously, everyone in the world knows what happened on 9/11/01.  It's super insensitive to Muslim Americans to release a character like that on the anniversary of the day that their friends and neighbors started irrationally hating them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 14, 2015, 04:55:22 pm
Quote from: TheL on September 14, 2015, 04:54:10 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 14, 2015, 01:04:23 pm
Some people are calling Rashid from Street Fighter a racist caricature:

https://archive.is/IiFsP (https://archive.is/IiFsP)

This despite the fact that the character was applauded when unveiled in Dubai:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-m3O2n4czs

My issue isn't with Rashid himself.  My issue is with the fact that a walking sheik caricature was revealed as a playable character on September 11.  Seriously, everyone in the world knows what happened on 9/11/01.  It's super insensitive to Muslim Americans to release a character like that on the anniversary of the day that their friends and neighbors started irrationally hating them.

That was unfortunate timing, yes, but to be fair, it's a Japanese game.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 14, 2015, 05:30:02 pm
With super world wide appeal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 14, 2015, 07:58:46 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on September 13, 2015, 10:15:31 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Ji0qcCf.png)
Isn't it racist, sexist, etc to assume that certain groups can't speak/write properly?

It's racist, sexist, etc. to assume the speech patterns specific to a group are Correct and the standard and everything else is to be measured against. E.g. things like AAVE or vocal fry are often considered "wrong" (as opposed to just a variation), and there's at least an argument that it's because they're associated with black people and women, respectively.

As for ableism, well, no. It's not at all ableist to, e.g.  think someone who is dyslexic might have trouble with spelling.

Classism is something of a middle ground. speech patterns associated with being lower-class are devalued in the same way AAVE is, but there's also the fact that limited access to education will also result in having a more limited vocabulary, etc.

TL;DR: judging people for spelling and punctuation is pretty fucking silly. What you consider proper grammar and sentence structure can be influenced by prejudice, and even if in cases when it isn't use of language is a skill like any other. Some people have it and others don't. It's better to have it, but it doesn't determine your moral worth.


(and I didn't even get into how being bad at English is used to paint non-native speakers as idiots, because things start getting personal and nobody wants that)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: VainRobot on September 14, 2015, 08:54:26 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 14, 2015, 07:58:46 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on September 13, 2015, 10:15:31 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Ji0qcCf.png)
Isn't it racist, sexist, etc to assume that certain groups can't speak/write properly?

It's racist, sexist, etc. to assume the speech patterns specific to a group are Correct and the standard and everything else is to be measured against. E.g. things like AAVE or vocal fry are often considered "wrong" (as opposed to just a variation), and there's at least an argument that it's because they're associated with black people and women, respectively.

As for ableism, well, no. It's not at all ableist to, e.g.  think someone who is dyslexic might have trouble with spelling.

Classism is something of a middle ground. speech patterns associated with being lower-class are devalued in the same way AAVE is, but there's also the fact that limited access to education will also result in having a more limited vocabulary, etc.

TL;DR: judging people for spelling and punctuation is pretty fucking silly. What you consider proper grammar and sentence structure can be influenced by prejudice, and even if in cases when it isn't use of language is a skill like any other. Some people have it and others don't. It's better to have it, but it doesn't determine your moral worth.


(and I didn't even get into how being bad at English is used to paint non-native speakers as idiots, because things start getting personal and nobody wants that)

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestige_(sociolinguistics) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestige_(sociolinguistics))

Just because a dominant group says that a certain way of communicating is the best way doesn't mean other ways are bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 15, 2015, 07:00:52 am
Quote from: georgemilson on September 14, 2015, 09:03:38 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on September 13, 2015, 10:15:31 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Ji0qcCf.png)
Isn't it racist, sexist, etc to assume that certain groups can't speak/write properly?

Vox populi, et turbare, sapit et virtutis.

Some of the most intelligent people on this planet have a lot of trouble typing with proper grammar and syntax.

Some of the dumbest come across as smart when viewed through text.

Listen to the ideas, not how well they are presented or the voice it is presented with, for wisdom is not found in the ability to properly place commas but instead the ability to think with an open mind and a love for knowledge.

on that note, france is big with giving goncourt-prize-winners interviews. some of those winners write astoundingly well. put them in front of a microphone and all of a sudden, their glibness disappears.

i'm talking a person who is capable of writing moving books can't speak without stuttering or losing their shit. that's the reason they became writers. their strength lies not in the speech, but the writing. musicians talk through their instrument, writers through their pen, and orators rock with a microphone.

don't discredit anyone just because talking isn't their forté.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 15, 2015, 08:36:03 am
Quote from: guizonde on September 15, 2015, 07:00:52 am
on that note, france is big with giving goncourt-prize-winners interviews. some of those winners write astoundingly well. put them in front of a microphone and all of a sudden, their glibness disappears.

i'm talking a person who is capable of writing moving books can't speak without stuttering or losing their shit. that's the reason they became writers. their strength lies not in the speech, but the writing. musicians talk through their instrument, writers through their pen, and orators rock with a microphone.

don't discredit anyone just because talking isn't their forté.

Damn straight.  I sound cool and coherent online, and I can write a story rather well, but when it comes to conversing with words...juuuuuuust not something I do, really.  Or prefer not to do, at least.  That's actually the only thing I enjoy about getting strep: I lose my voice and, thus, can't talk.  Wouldn't want it to be permanent, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 15, 2015, 09:14:43 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 15, 2015, 08:36:03 am
Quote from: guizonde on September 15, 2015, 07:00:52 am
on that note, france is big with giving goncourt-prize-winners interviews. some of those winners write astoundingly well. put them in front of a microphone and all of a sudden, their glibness disappears.

i'm talking a person who is capable of writing moving books can't speak without stuttering or losing their shit. that's the reason they became writers. their strength lies not in the speech, but the writing. musicians talk through their instrument, writers through their pen, and orators rock with a microphone.

don't discredit anyone just because talking isn't their forté.

Damn straight.  I sound cool and coherent online, and I can write a story rather well, but when it comes to conversing with words...juuuuuuust not something I do, really.  Or prefer not to do, at least.  That's actually the only thing I enjoy about getting strep: I lose my voice and, thus, can't talk.  Wouldn't want it to be permanent, though.

i think so fast that my tongue can't keep up, so i've got a bit of a stuttering problem. when i speak american, i've got a virginian slur/twang, so i can speak pretty fast, if messily. when speaking french, however, i've got a southern accent (toulousan) that's closer to singing than it is to speaking. it forces me to speak slowly so as to get all the nuances of the accent. it actually makes my friends laugh when they hear me switch from one language to the other, as it seems like it's two different people speaking. oh, and i tend to growl and speak lower pitched in english than in french.

when it comes to writing, well, you probably noticed my posts are pretty stream-of-thought, unless i force myself to reread and organize them. i'm actually trying to write a book for me and my friends, but turns out that due to my current situation, i don't have the leisure of sitting down for a couple hours to work on it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on September 15, 2015, 12:52:19 pm
I'm the other way around. I'm really good at talking. Put me in front of a group or one on one, makes no difference. I'll hold my own. Make me write it out and, well, we've all seen what happens when I try to put something important to me in writing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: VainRobot on September 15, 2015, 03:37:23 pm
I can be pretty awkward with small conversations and often feel like I stumble or say the wrong things. But put me in front of an auditorium full of people and I do fine for some reason. I guess my struggle is formulating conversation on the fly, but if I have time to prepare I feel much more confident.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 15, 2015, 11:20:34 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2r7qctz.jpg)

Well, at least this one isn't rallying for segregation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: VainRobot on September 15, 2015, 11:43:52 pm
We should get that person and this person (http://i.imgur.com/DVMNMq0.png) and put them in a room together to see what happens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 16, 2015, 08:32:10 am
So, comics author Brian Wood wrote a newsletter criticizing call-out culture:

http://pastebin.com/BkP8r9m0 (http://pastebin.com/BkP8r9m0)

And now the outrage brigade is jumping down his throat.

https://archive.is/0d35y (https://archive.is/0d35y)

You know what some of them are saying?  Shit like this:

Quote from: Dan Spaceman
To counterpoint Brian Wood's newsletter, I would be 100% happy if all harassers in comics killed themselves

Wow.  Just wow.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 16, 2015, 10:21:22 am
I'm just tired of seeing babies, period.  They all look like a sack of particularly malformed potatoes, to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 16, 2015, 10:04:07 pm
Can some fellow Finnbros tell me why the fuck archive.is is blocked here now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 16, 2015, 10:10:48 pm
Fucked by Trump if I know. Maybe they just hate traffic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on September 16, 2015, 10:22:27 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on September 16, 2015, 10:04:07 pm
Can some fellow Finnbros tell me why the fuck archive.is is blocked here now?
The owner is Russian and he apparently had some trouble at the Finnish border due to the whole sanctions / travel restriction thing that is going on with EU and Russia. He believes it had something to do with his site and blocked Finnish IP addresses. I don't know what really happened and how much Russian propaganda has influenced his thought process about the incident.

Edit: to be more accurate (I just remembered this) he has claimed that Finnish government has him on a blacklist of some kind and that's why he was stopped on the border. I'm not actually sure if he tried to imply that it's got something to do with the EU sanctions or not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 17, 2015, 11:44:55 am
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2py3m82.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 17, 2015, 10:59:29 pm
I don't see why this is so bad, I'm personally a big fan of BDSM.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 17, 2015, 11:33:19 pm
So the black guy has to be the dominant one? Stop continuing the problematic "black thug" stereotype, shitlord.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 18, 2015, 02:27:51 am
Please Art, do not be so gender essentialist?

What if they're a shitlady?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 18, 2015, 02:30:25 am
Assuming that genders exist is terribly cissexist of you, niam. I'm sure if our friend here examined xir gender properly, xe would be non-binary.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 18, 2015, 02:39:50 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/dril/status/10246926507180032
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 18, 2015, 04:43:04 am
(http://i.imgur.com/r2hpuXM.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 18, 2015, 08:22:37 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 18, 2015, 02:27:51 am
Please Art, do not be so gender essentialist?

What if they're a shitlady?
Lords can be female, too (or any other gender, for that matter). Bro, do you even feudalism?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 18, 2015, 08:54:57 am
(click to show/hide)

This looks like a ridiculously overcomplicated character creation chapter in a tabletop RPG.  If they ask me to roll for anal circumference, I'm out of here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 18, 2015, 09:18:00 am
<sees Lesbian flag battle axe, spews coffee>
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on September 18, 2015, 12:08:13 pm
My local lesbian friend is missing her Lesbian Battleaxe.  Maybe I should deliver one to her?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 18, 2015, 01:20:52 pm
Man, why don't the rest of us get cool weapons? I want a spear.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 18, 2015, 02:47:06 pm
I'm not even a lesbian and I'd carry a flag like that to war.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 18, 2015, 03:24:48 pm
Mozambique still has the best "flag with a weapon" https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Flag_of_Mozambique.svg/2000px-Flag_of_Mozambique.svg.png

"Green stands for the riches of the land, the white fimbriations signify peace, black represents the African continent, yellow symbolizes the country's minerals, and red represents the struggle for independence. The rifle stands for defence and vigilance, the open book symbolizes the importance of education, the hoe represents the country's agriculture, and the star symbolizes Marxism and internationalism."

Or as I would have put it: "AK47s and hoes for everybody! ...Also books."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 18, 2015, 04:50:22 pm
First Joss Whedon, then Nolan North, now Stephen Amell:

http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/09/17/stephen-amell-ahmed-mohamed-twitter-stereotyping-texas-clock-bomb/ (http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/09/17/stephen-amell-ahmed-mohamed-twitter-stereotyping-texas-clock-bomb/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 18, 2015, 04:51:48 pm
The tweets aren't actually visible in the article.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 18, 2015, 05:07:00 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 18, 2015, 04:51:48 pm
The tweets aren't actually visible in the article.

Funny, I can see them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 18, 2015, 05:18:39 pm
I tried again and they're there. Huh.

Anyway, I honestly think they have a point. Talking about the issue with Texan schools is not the same as "stereotyping" Texas.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on September 18, 2015, 09:05:05 pm
Yeah, Texas is powerful. It has massive economic, political, and educational (many textbook companies are based in Texas, and so are influenced by state policy) influence. And most of the impact has been negative. When a kid in, say California if arrested for being a Texan with a clock, then the comparison is valid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 18, 2015, 09:17:15 pm
quick question about the flags. in the lower right-hand corner, there is this:
 
Quote
i plan on making a separate list for, bdsm and fetish, as well as furry terms and their flags.

my question is: why? bdsm practitioners already have their own symbols, including but not limited to the d-ring and the tryskellion, most fetishists prefer that their preferred kink not be known to others, and furries... well, they already have fursonas. whaddaya gonna do? put a beefcake fox on a flag? it would be (even more) ridiculous than furry orgies in their costumes, as parodied by csi: las vegas.

perhaps i'm missing the point. perhaps this is a waste of time.

maybe it's stupid, maybe it's maybelline (you can blame my sister for that one).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 18, 2015, 09:50:04 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 18, 2015, 05:18:39 pm
I tried again and they're there. Huh.

Anyway, I honestly think they have a point. Talking about the issue with Texan schools is not the same as "stereotyping" Texas.

No, but stereotyping Texans is still something that happens?

Like, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who has seen knuckle-dragging redneck stereotypes being brought up every time something like this happens in the South. Which is kind of fucked up.

I don't know what Stephen Amell was responding to, but at least taken as a bare statement, he was absolutely right. Stereotyping people over their race is bad. Stereotyping people over where they live is also bad, and some people do the latter in response to the former, pretending it's somehow not bullshit when they do it.

And bringing up whether Texans are oppressed or not seemed kind of a red herring. Two things can be bad even if one is worse than the other.

(EDIT: not that you said anything about that, I'm thinking of some of the tweets in that article)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 18, 2015, 09:59:53 pm
Fair enough. Still, the article came across to me as "wah people are talking about Texan systemic racism, stop being mean to Texas". Then again, I'm not American, so feel free to disregard me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 18, 2015, 10:00:43 pm
*shrug* I'm not an American either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 18, 2015, 10:12:45 pm
Well, you're South American at least, so you're at least marginally closer to the issue XD
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on September 18, 2015, 10:16:29 pm
As an American (even a southerner, but not a Texan) it's annoying, but not more than that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 18, 2015, 10:37:17 pm
To be fair, though, Texans don't exactly do a lot to fight the stereotype. I mean, just look at their recent record in governors. Or how pretty much every Texan I've known (spoiler: two people) wears a cowboy hat and makes their drawl as obvious as possible.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 18, 2015, 10:42:24 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 18, 2015, 10:37:17 pm
To be fair, though, Texans don't exactly do a lot to fight the stereotype. I mean, just look at their recent record in governors. Or how pretty much every Texan I've known (spoiler: two people) wears a cowboy hat and makes their drawl as obvious as possible.

There's 27 million people in Texas. About ten percent of those voted for the current governor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 18, 2015, 11:22:51 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 18, 2015, 10:42:24 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 18, 2015, 10:37:17 pm
To be fair, though, Texans don't exactly do a lot to fight the stereotype. I mean, just look at their recent record in governors. Or how pretty much every Texan I've known (spoiler: two people) wears a cowboy hat and makes their drawl as obvious as possible.

There's 27 million people in Texas. About ten percent of those voted for the current governor.

Wait, really? That's it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 18, 2015, 11:59:52 pm
Some are too young to vote, most can't be bothered. Like in any state. I would be happy if the US followed Australia's cue and made voting mandatory, and opened early voting online or via post to everyone, not just seniors and those living abroad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 19, 2015, 01:26:05 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 18, 2015, 11:22:51 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 18, 2015, 10:42:24 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 18, 2015, 10:37:17 pm
To be fair, though, Texans don't exactly do a lot to fight the stereotype. I mean, just look at their recent record in governors. Or how pretty much every Texan I've known (spoiler: two people) wears a cowboy hat and makes their drawl as obvious as possible.

There's 27 million people in Texas. About ten percent of those voted for the current governor.

Wait, really? That's it?

That's what Wikipedia tells me. 2,796,547 people voted for Greg Abbot, 1,835,596 for Wendy Davis. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_gubernatorial_election,_2014)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 19, 2015, 10:46:07 am
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aDmboeG_700b.jpg)

fanta = patriarchy... it's hitting "persecution complex" levels of projection, here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 19, 2015, 11:00:13 am
Actually, a woman is more like a beer. They smell good, they look good, you'd step over your own mother just to get one. But you can't stop at one. You want to drink another woman.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: VainRobot on September 19, 2015, 11:00:28 am
I think that's just called ergonomic and intuitive design.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 19, 2015, 01:24:41 pm
I was agreeing with it until the soft drink part.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on September 20, 2015, 02:15:04 am
Actually I remember watch a TV documentry 10-20 years ago about the cola wars that said that Coke bottles were shaped to resemble a woman's body.  Partly because sex sells and party to make their bottles stand out from the competition.  They showed a commercial from the fifties that openly said so.

I couldn't find it on youtube so you'll have to take my word for it.

I don't think it's true of other pop brands though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on September 20, 2015, 10:46:49 am
So women's bodies are ergonomically designed?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on September 20, 2015, 11:19:53 am
In a way yeah kinda, at least from an evolutionary standpoint they are. Since they're designed to carry near to term a fully developed child woman's bodies evolved with that kind of shape (it's also why subconsciously men like woman with wider hips because it indicates a better birthing area.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on September 20, 2015, 05:18:24 pm
More shit about "muh feelings" and "muh safe spaces" (http://news.mlh.io/when-jokes-go-too-far-09-19-2015)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 20, 2015, 05:21:18 pm
Its because of negative nancies like this that I take "do not endanger safe spaces" not as a recommendation, but as a challenge.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 20, 2015, 09:40:10 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on September 20, 2015, 05:18:24 pm
More shit about "muh feelings" and "muh safe spaces" (http://news.mlh.io/when-jokes-go-too-far-09-19-2015)

The fuck.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 20, 2015, 09:59:29 pm
You do realize the people who were joking about bomb threats at a convention in the first place actually left gracefully after a calm conversation, right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 20, 2015, 10:13:23 pm
I'm glad they apparently left on good terms. My reactions remains "the fuck".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 20, 2015, 10:16:09 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/122og01.jpg)

Well, according to Rasmussen Reports, 64% of African-Americans say "All Lives Matter" best describes their views, as opposed to the 31% who say the same thing about "Black Lives Matter".

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2015/black_lives_matter_or_all_lives_matter (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2015/black_lives_matter_or_all_lives_matter)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 20, 2015, 10:16:36 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 20, 2015, 10:13:23 pm
I'm glad they apparently left on good terms. My reactions remains "the fuck".

Oh, was talking to Dakota Bob.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 20, 2015, 10:26:06 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 20, 2015, 10:16:09 pm
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/122og01.jpg)

Well, according to Rasmussen Reports, 64% of African-Americans say "All Lives Matter" best describes their views, as opposed to the 31% who say the same thing about "Black Lives Matter".

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2015/black_lives_matter_or_all_lives_matter (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2015/black_lives_matter_or_all_lives_matter)

Oh Rasmus?  Yeah don't trust them.

Ironbite-like at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on September 20, 2015, 10:51:20 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 20, 2015, 10:16:09 pm
Well, according to Rasmussen Reports, 64% of African-Americans say "All Lives Matter" best describes their views, as opposed to the 31% who say the same thing about "Black Lives Matter".

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2015/black_lives_matter_or_all_lives_matter (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2015/black_lives_matter_or_all_lives_matter)

As always, the context where these statements are made matters a lot. When asking people which of the statements better describes their feelings people weigh the statements separate from each other. In such case "all lives matter" really is how most people feel but it ignores how the statement is used in relation to the "black lives matter" movement and their usage.

When you take this into account the "all lives matter" becomes a statement that diminishes the message "black lives matter" tries to convey - that the society in the US does not value black lives as much as the lives of some other ethnicities. How people answer in a poll like that depends if they percieve this connection between the statements or not. That's why the poll does not actually provide reliable evidence about what black people think about "all lives matter" as a response to "black lives matter". Since that is the only reason the statement is criticized at all the poll does not really provide any useful information.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 21, 2015, 04:48:58 am
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ajnxB11_460s.jpg)

basically, any student syndicalist in my old university. also, when you're an anarchist and don't recognize the government's authority, being called a fascist is really funny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 21, 2015, 06:45:33 am
Student activists in general are kind of insufferable. It seems that the less they know what they're talking about, the louder they are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 21, 2015, 11:54:58 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/x1m26c.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on September 21, 2015, 12:02:33 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 21, 2015, 11:54:58 am
http://oi58.tinypic.com/x1m26c.jpg (http://oi58.tinypic.com/x1m26c.jpg)
My last name is rather long and unusual - there are less than 30 people with the same name (unless there is some obscure branch of the family hiding somewhere abroad). I laughed aloud at this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 21, 2015, 12:09:32 pm
My last name is easy to spell for any American and I still have to spell it all the time, or people get it wrong (most commonly adding an s at the end for some reason, weird since my last name is Fitting).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: VainRobot on September 21, 2015, 02:12:33 pm
I share a name with a major corporation and people still have trouble spelling it sometimes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 21, 2015, 02:55:20 pm
I'm white and my last name includes letters that don't even exist in the American alphabet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 21, 2015, 02:59:48 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 21, 2015, 02:55:20 pm
I'm white and my last name includes letters that don't even exist in the American alphabet.

Is it an ä or an ö?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 21, 2015, 03:03:07 pm
The former.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on September 21, 2015, 05:27:15 pm
My last name is McCreery. People are constantly mispronouncing or asking me how to spell it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 21, 2015, 05:37:50 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 21, 2015, 06:45:33 am
Student activists in general are kind of insufferable. It seems that the less they know what they're talking about, the louder they are.
Maybe we'll have a new left 2.0 soon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 21, 2015, 06:57:25 pm
One of my surnames is in the top five or so for the country and people still manage to misspell it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 21, 2015, 07:18:34 pm
My boss has misspelled my first name many times.  When the proper spelling is literally staring him in the face, because its my screen name on all my messages.  Its spelled with a K at the end, not a C, damn it!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on September 21, 2015, 10:14:55 pm
I've stopped answering to any variations of my last name. Anyone who I want to listen to will know how to pronounce a word that ends in ONE.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 21, 2015, 11:00:49 pm
I spell my last name (and my legal first name) reflexively and people still manage to mess it up... even when the correct spelling is already written down somewhere in their field of vision.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 22, 2015, 12:36:51 am
While my last name is one syllable, I can think of three different ways it could be spelled due to how it's pronounced. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 22, 2015, 01:04:05 am
I have a rather obsucre (in its homeland) Croatian surname, so that's a lot of fun to deal with. I've never known anyone to get it right on the first try.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 22, 2015, 08:21:53 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2mrha82.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 22, 2015, 03:45:54 pm
...Well, there are real ethical issues that must be thought about IF we ever manage to make an AI program that really is self aware. If they are self aware does that mean that owning them is slavery and so on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 22, 2015, 04:43:49 pm
Quote from: georgemilson on September 22, 2015, 03:21:17 pm
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/7689181d4f9665ec5a5597caec385340/tumblr_n9n1sr3E6M1tizya8o1_500.jpg)

Today I learned that autism can now be a gender

OK, this bugs me. "Gender" is a ridiculously hard concept to pin down, probably because it's a complex interaction of social and biological factors we only really understand via introspection that is hard to compare. And there's evidence that autism interacts with gender issues in some way (e.g. autistic people are more likely to experience gender dysphoria). The raw observation that some aspects of gender for autistic people can only be understood in the context of autism is at least plausible (I'd argue probable, but don't have anything beyond intuition to back that up).

I personally disagree with the notion of reifying that as a separate gender in itself, but to be honest I prefer to err on the side of letting people define their gender identity however they like*. This is not the worst of social justice. This is not even the bad parts of social justice. This is just the entirely-harmless-but-easy-to-mock parts of people trying to come to terms with identity issues. It might be wrong, though there's an argument to be had even there. But putting it together with the vicious bullying and anti-free-speech and all the other actually toxic SJ bullshit seems kinda off.


*am I biased here? Sure. I have weird gender identity issues I go back and forth on. But I'm trying to not make this personal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on September 22, 2015, 05:01:49 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 19, 2015, 01:26:05 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 18, 2015, 11:22:51 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 18, 2015, 10:42:24 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 18, 2015, 10:37:17 pm
To be fair, though, Texans don't exactly do a lot to fight the stereotype. I mean, just look at their recent record in governors. Or how pretty much every Texan I've known (spoiler: two people) wears a cowboy hat and makes their drawl as obvious as possible.

There's 27 million people in Texas. About ten percent of those voted for the current governor.

Wait, really? That's it?

That's what Wikipedia tells me. 2,796,547 people voted for Greg Abbot, 1,835,596 for Wendy Davis. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_gubernatorial_election,_2014)

Yep!  This is what happens when young folks don't vote in state or local elections.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on September 22, 2015, 05:04:29 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 21, 2015, 06:57:25 pm
One of my surnames is in the top five or so for the country and people still manage to misspell it.

And you live in a Spanish-speaking country.  Spanish has just about the EASIEST, least-ambiguous phonetic system I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 22, 2015, 07:45:33 pm
Quote from: TheL on September 22, 2015, 05:04:29 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 21, 2015, 06:57:25 pm
One of my surnames is in the top five or so for the country and people still manage to misspell it.

And you live in a Spanish-speaking country.  Spanish has just about the EASIEST, least-ambiguous phonetic system I've ever seen.

Yup. Though sometimes I think that it leaves people unprepared for the few occasions where spelling is not obvious from pronunciation (v/b, s/z/c, and so on, depending on dialect).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 22, 2015, 11:24:48 pm
Quote from: georgemilson on September 22, 2015, 08:08:46 pm
Forgive me, Sig, if my post came across as...wonked. I think we may disagree a bit on gender (but that's possibly due to my own biases and bad experiences, and I do try to account for that in any given situation), but I think we both agree that the idea of just slapping all of the complicated issues that autism can bring to someone's gender identity onto a single label is just a smidge insulting.

Might be that it is. But mostly my problem (and this is really a problem with this thread as a whole, your post was just a prompt) is that it puts on the same level some harmless if slightly weird comment on someone making up a new word for their gender with the actually harmful, sometimes abusive tactics people use in the name of social justice. These are not problems on the same level! SJ encourages a finely-grained and individualised exploration of gender and sexuality, which is a good thing in my book. It has failure modes, like a jargon explosion that it's impossible to keep up with and some dubious classifications that are taken in uncritically. Opinions on this vary, of course.

But the worst of these failure modes has nothing on bullshit like women being attacked for not being feminist in the right away or doxxing people for making fun of you or mounting giant harassment campaigns against the designated target of the week. And bundling criticism of these things together is costly.

Because the non-abusive, non-bullying SJ types are not going to stand around and listen when you make fun of them for having weird identity issues they resolve the best they know how, with the tools their community gives them. And alienating the people with weird pronouns who don't hurt anybody is a loss. Because, well, they don't hurt anybody, and other people in their movement do, and we want them to help minimise that harm. If their idea of "SJ-critic" is "those assholes who made fun of me and my friends because of our gender" then why would they want to side with them? Why would they want to listen when we talk about toxic norms in their community? We are the enemy, after all.

Sorry, this came out more ranty than it should.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 24, 2015, 09:07:17 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/w6ywt4.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 24, 2015, 11:53:17 am
He's not wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 24, 2015, 12:01:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on September 24, 2015, 11:53:17 am
He's not wrong.

Yes he is.  According to the FBI, 21.4 percent of racially-motivated hate crimes in 2013 stemmed from anti-white bias (https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/december/latest-hate-crime-statistics-report-released).

As for police brutality, in 2014, more whites than blacks were killed by cops (http://thereelnetwork.net/the-primary-victims-of-police-brutality-and-theyre-not-black-people/).  Do you really think every single one of those deaths was justified?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 24, 2015, 12:40:14 pm
I prefer this statement though.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/21/michael-medved/talk-show-host-police-kill-more-whites-blacks/

Ironbite-so half-true we'll go with.

ETA: Also this story.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/01/us-police-killings-this-year-black-americans

As well as this site.

http://killedbypolice.net

ETA2: There's also this

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

Ahh I love you edit button.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 24, 2015, 12:43:40 pm
He's wrong, but not for what Ultimate Paragon is thinking. Fact is, Tumblrina would be right if they added "of the United States" onto every use of the word white in that post. But they didn't, and now they're saying whites in Zimbabwe, China, and Japan never experience racism or discrimination, which is absolute bullshit and offensive to white people who have suffered in places like the Kongo.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 24, 2015, 01:09:01 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 24, 2015, 12:43:40 pm
He's wrong, but not for what Ultimate Paragon is thinking. Fact is, Tumblrina would be right if they added "of the United States" onto every use of the word white in that post. But they didn't, and now they're saying whites in Zimbabwe, China, and Japan never experience racism or discrimination, which is absolute bullshit and offensive to white people who have suffered in places like the Kongo.

You're half right.  American whites don't experience racism on an institutional level (except maybe for affirmative action), but it definitely happens on an interpersonal level.  Just ask Eminem about the racially-motivated bullying he suffered as a kid.

And whites do suffer from police brutality.  While it's unlikely that more than a couple cases (if that) were motivated by racism, that doesn't diminish what they suffered.

As for "nobody was murdered for being white", that's simply not true.  Robert Rozier killed seven white people in order to join the Nation of Yahweh.  Colin Ferguson shot twenty-five people (six fatally) on a Long Island train because of his hatred of whites, Asians, and "Uncle Toms".  Two examples, just off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 24, 2015, 07:18:30 pm
Quote from: ironbite on September 24, 2015, 11:53:17 am
He's not wrong.
Yes, he is. It's the same stupid "racism = power + prejudice" redefinition that Tumblr absolutely loves. It's just as stupid now as it ever was.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 24, 2015, 09:23:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 24, 2015, 01:09:01 pm
You're half right.  American whites don't experience racism on an institutional level (except maybe for affirmative action)

Christ on a bike, you had something resembling a point and then you pulled this "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS RACIST AGAINST WHITES!!1!" Stormfront shit. Poor people in general already get scholarships, and black people get affirmative action because, shockingly, centuries of institutional racism in the US means that black people in general don't have financial/status parity with white people and don't thus have the same opportunities. You don't get a blue shell in Mario Kart when you're already in first place, geez.

(First place as in "dominant social class in the west", not as in "has a perfect life and gets everything easily", like I've heard some jackasses willfully misunderstand the concept of white privilege as.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 24, 2015, 09:27:24 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 24, 2015, 09:23:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 24, 2015, 01:09:01 pm
You're half right.  American whites don't experience racism on an institutional level (except maybe for affirmative action)

Christ on a bike, you had something resembling a point and then you pulled this "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS RACIST AGAINST WHITES!!1!" Stormfront shit. Poor people in general already get scholarships, and black people get affirmative action because, shockingly, centuries of institutional racism in the US means that black people in general don't have financial/status parity with white people and don't thus have the same opportunities. You don't get a blue shell in Mario Kart when you're already in first place, geez.

(First place as in "dominant social class in the west", not as in "has a perfect life and gets everything easily", like I've heard some jackasses willfully misunderstand the concept of white privilege as.)

That's why I emphasized maybe.  I guess there are reasons why somebody might see affirmative action as "reverse racism", but I personally think that's bunk.  I'm critical of affirmative action sometimes, but my reasons have nothing to do with that. 

Really, I agree with you, but I don't think we should outright dismiss those kinds of complaints about affirmative action as "Stormfront shit".  Just because I disagree with it, doesn't mean I think it's inherently racist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 24, 2015, 09:28:05 pm
Fair enough.

But here's the thing; complaining about the effectiveness of AA as a method to help the underprivileged or any other practical issue is fine IMO. Complaining that it's "racist against whites" to give underprivileged ethnic groups a leg up is what comes across as white supremaciist whining, at least to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 24, 2015, 10:50:33 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 24, 2015, 09:23:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 24, 2015, 01:09:01 pm
You're half right.  American whites don't experience racism on an institutional level (except maybe for affirmative action)

Christ on a bike, you had something resembling a point and then you pulled this "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS RACIST AGAINST WHITES!!1!" Stormfront shit. Poor people in general already get scholarships, and black people get affirmative action because, shockingly, centuries of institutional racism in the US means that black people in general don't have financial/status parity with white people and don't thus have the same opportunities. You don't get a blue shell in Mario Kart when you're already in first place, geez.

(First place as in "dominant social class in the west", not as in "has a perfect life and gets everything easily", like I've heard some jackasses willfully misunderstand the concept of white privilege as.)

Oh I'm going to like you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 25, 2015, 06:48:01 am
Should... should I be worried?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on September 25, 2015, 07:14:15 am
You are going to be fine. Just avoid extended eye contact and if he starts hissing or you smell something burning, take cover: he's probably about to explode again.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 25, 2015, 07:47:25 am
So earlier today I reblogged a post about someone wanting to go on "platonic dates", followed by a screenshot of the dictionary definition of "friendship", folowed by some whargarble about queerplatonic relationships, followed by the same screenshot. A few hours later, I get this (http://postimg.org/image/js4t8vh0p/) (linked because it's long) in my inbox, calling me "arophobic" among other nonsense. What I don't understand is 1) how, exactly, a queerplatonic relationship differs from a strong friendship besides "because I say so", and 2) why a strong friendship between 2 or more people who identify as "queer" needs its own term when "friendship/friends with benefits" works just as well. I don't want to just delete it and move on because I have a feeling that won't help, but I also don't really want to deal with a bunch of people screaming at me because I pointed out that "queerplatonic" and "strong friendship" mean the same thing (except one, y'know, has the word "queer"). Any advice? Should I just take the post down and move on?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 25, 2015, 08:07:41 am
If you just want to wind up a few Tumblrinas for funsies and are aware that that's all you're ever going to achieve here with this, by all means, have at it. But if you're expecting to have a halfway intelligent discussion about this, though, forget it. Trying to have a civil discussion with rabid Tumblrinas is a complete and total waste of effort. You might as well write an essay for a cage full of angry chimps on why throwing their poo at people is bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 25, 2015, 08:20:52 am
I just want to avoid drama without saying or implying the pissant was right. Normally I'd relish the chance to stir shit up, but I don't think this is worth the time. I'm probably just going to delete the post and issue a fauxpology to the offended party.

Update: (http://s16.postimg.org/y6353i49x/5528369104945152_png_k_Mar_Y8_JAr_Y1d_NZa8d_RQG_o_Si_0.png) (http://postimage.org/)
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/0cfb803f11dc4e576d8b84c689b67b0d/tumblr_inline_nsduvkX3Pw1rof54g_500.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 25, 2015, 09:24:22 am
uh, wow. much rage, such whaarbargl.

i guess some people are too attached to labels?

also, arophobic? like hates aromantic people? more like "who gives a flying whisky dick".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 25, 2015, 09:43:56 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/v3hv6d.jpg)

#NotAllStrawmen.

Remember kids, defending yourself against unfounded accusations is an admission of guilt.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 25, 2015, 09:47:54 am
Quote from: guizonde on September 25, 2015, 09:24:22 am
uh, wow. much rage, such whaarbargl.

i guess some people are too attached to labels?

also, arophobic? like hates aromantic people? more like "who gives a flying whisky dick".
Oh no, someone's making fun of people who (*gasp*) are different and special because they don't date! Well, some of them date, but they call it something else! This is clearly the biggest and most important issue facing the lgbt+ community right now!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 25, 2015, 11:13:45 am
Quote from: Ghoti on September 25, 2015, 08:20:52 am
I just want to avoid drama without saying or implying the pissant was right. Normally I'd relish the chance to stir shit up, but I don't think this is worth the time. I'm probably just going to delete the post and issue a fauxpology to the offended party.

Update: (http://s16.postimg.org/y6353i49x/5528369104945152_png_k_Mar_Y8_JAr_Y1d_NZa8d_RQG_o_Si_0.png) (http://postimage.org/)
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/0cfb803f11dc4e576d8b84c689b67b0d/tumblr_inline_nsduvkX3Pw1rof54g_500.gif)

Seriously don't tell them who you are, so they can gang up on you with their widdle friends. This 'Trina (can't be arsed to spell it out fully) is as fond and doting of the label they made up as a hawk of her just-laid egg. Hence all the hissing and flapping.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 25, 2015, 12:31:33 pm
Okay, seriously, I just don't get this anymore. Maybe I'm showing my age or maybe its the fact that I'm not on tumblr, but I just don't understand what the hell is going through these kids' minds. What is this revulsion that borders on phobia of being fine with "normal", "average", "cis" or what-have-you? Why must everything be given some fuckstupid label just to be anything but what is considered the norm, even if what they're trying to make sound unique is completely fucking normal?

Just want to go hang out with someone, maybe catch a movie and have a late lunch to chat? Nope, that's not being friends; that's now "queerplatonic." Don't have an overwhelming urge to fuck someone the second you meet them and it might take a while before you want to bump uglies? Nope, you're not being an adult; you're now "demisexual." Think I-loved-you-since-the-first-time-I-saw-you is fucking retarded and you might want to get to know someone and see if a friendship develops before you try anything more serious? Nope, you're not wanting to go slow and avoid jumping into a relationship before either of you are ready; you're now "demiromantic." Feel fine enough being alone that you don't have a screaming need for an intimate relationship? Nope, you're not an adult who's just fine being alone; you're "aromantic." You're not just a walking hormone that wants to fuck anything upright but still like to have an orgasm or two every once in a while and hope those orgasms are with another person if possible? Nope, you're not an adult who isn't defined by how often they fuck, you're "asexual."

If it were up to tumblr, I would be a "Demisexual, demiromantic asexual who's in a queerplatonic relationship." But because I get to pick a label, I'm a "grown-ass man who enjoys the company of friends."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 25, 2015, 01:18:30 pm
You don't win a gold medal in the Oppression Olympics if you don't have a special snowflake label.

Tumblrinas have a deep-seated fear of being unremarkable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 25, 2015, 01:56:23 pm
Update: I "look[ed] the fuck up what queerplatonic means" and it's literally just "super duper strong friendship" which already has a name (Platonic Life Partners (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlatonicLifePartners)) and guess what? This term doesn't have the word "queer" in it! And it's straightforward as hell, so no one has to suffer the embarrassment of saying "queerplatonic" out loud! Ugh, what is it with these people and "queer"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 25, 2015, 03:09:24 pm
Quote from: Damen on September 25, 2015, 12:31:33 pm
Okay, seriously, I just don't get this anymore. Maybe I'm showing my age or maybe its the fact that I'm not on tumblr, but I just don't understand what the hell is going through these kids' minds. What is this revulsion that borders on phobia of being fine with "normal", "average", "cis" or what-have-you? Why must everything be given some fuckstupid label just to be anything but what is considered the norm, even if what they're trying to make sound unique is completely fucking normal?

Just want to go hang out with someone, maybe catch a movie and have a late lunch to chat? Nope, that's not being friends; that's now "queerplatonic." Don't have an overwhelming urge to fuck someone the second you meet them and it might take a while before you want to bump uglies? Nope, you're not being an adult; you're now "demisexual." Think I-loved-you-since-the-first-time-I-saw-you is fucking retarded and you might want to get to know someone and see if a friendship develops before you try anything more serious? Nope, you're not wanting to go slow and avoid jumping into a relationship before either of you are ready; you're now "demiromantic." Feel fine enough being alone that you don't have a screaming need for an intimate relationship? Nope, you're not an adult who's just fine being alone; you're "aromantic." You're not just a walking hormone that wants to fuck anything upright but still like to have an orgasm or two every once in a while and hope those orgasms are with another person if possible? Nope, you're not an adult who isn't defined by how often they fuck, you're "asexual."

If it were up to tumblr, I would be a "Demisexual, demiromantic asexual who's in a queerplatonic relationship." But because I get to pick a label, I'm a "grown-ass man who enjoys the company of friends."

So here's the thing I don't get.

Who cares if the people who are calling themselves demisexual or whatever would call themselves something else, or nothing at all, outside their subculture?

Why is having more words for things wrong? Is it the implied 'specialness' that you object to?

(not touching the friendship vs. platonic relationship thing because that's the specific claim that they are two different things)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 25, 2015, 03:39:05 pm
Its bothersome for me to see people so dissatisfied with their lives that they have to make things up for manufactured uniqueness by hijacking LGBT+ terms and then become so violently attached to this label that they will lash out at those who would challenge it; and then isolate themselves from dissenting opinion when confronted with someone who would dare to tell them that what they think is unique really isn't.

It goes without saying that this mindset is not a healthy one to have.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 25, 2015, 04:22:36 pm
You're making something of a package bundle there. It's one thing to come up with a word for yourself, another why you do it, another how you react when people disagree with you about it, another whether you claim it's unique or not.

And I don't think this bundle is justified. Most of these people are not more dissatisfied with their lives than the average teenager (being that they often are, in fact, the average teenager) and they find a way to understand themselves through a community that likes to go into fine-grained-distinctions over gender sexuality. Some grow out of it, some simply adopt it as a useful descriptor, some become attached to it. Some do it to feel unique, others just think it's one more thing about them. Some do think it's a civil-rights struggle like LGBT stuff, most don't. Some react angrily to outsiders challenging them, which is a shame and one of the things I most dislike about SJ/non-SJ interactions, others don't.

And at the bottom of it, the label is not the problem. The thing you object to is the attitude some people take towards the label.  Which, y'know, yes, it's very much worth objecting to, but it's not the same thing. And I kind of grow tired when that criticism is reduced to "haha they called themselves demi", because it's criticising the wrong thing.


Ungoddammit, I'm ranting again aren't I. Sorry, I'll try to keep off this thread for a while.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 25, 2015, 05:00:00 pm
so for anyone who doesn't feel like slogging through Ghoti, Art Vandelay, guizonde, mellenORL, Damen and Ironchew's self-righteous circle wank right now, allow me to summarize:

- "it's okay to mock and delegitimize sexual identities and such as long as they're outlandish enough for our limited sensibilities! but fuck homophobia and transphobia though! mom, what's hypocrisy?"
- "why do shades of blue need to be named when the word 'blue' already exists? 'turquoise'? 'maroon'? 'light blue'? 'dark blue'? what is this special snowflake bullshit"
- "these people making new terms for themselves to express their identities, feelings and experiences means that they're trying to force me to apply those terms to my identity, feelings and experiences! rabble rabble dey took our jerbs!"
- "what do you mean every human being experiences sexuality, romance and gender differently because every brain and every life is unique, you're just being sheltered tumblrinas who won't accept me telling them they're wrong and delusional and faking it"
- "those darn asexuals and aromantics are appropriating queerness by existing and making terms for themselves! what do you mean 'queer' has been used by heteros to pretty much refer to everything that's non-hetero because heteronormativity and asexual people have suffered corrective sexual assault specifically for being asexual to "fix" them and make them not "frigid", they're just being whiny brats and attention whores"
- "every identity that's not on my Approved List Of Identities is just people lying and being dissatisfied with themselves and their life, if I can't understand something then no human being can ever really experience it"
- "in a society that plays up sex and romance as the be-all and end-all and considered to be a given thing for humans to experience, people who aren't interested in sex or romance are definitely not dehumanized at all, no siree bob, nope, never"
- there's probably some other bullshit buried here that I missed, but fuck it I'm tired

I trusted you people. I liked you. I respected you. I felt like I could really be honest with all of you here, and connect with you on a real and earnest level even if I happened to disagree with your stances. I felt like I was respected. (None of this applies to you, Ironchew, by the way. You went straight to my 'ignore' list after that bullshit you pulled at me, you know what I mean.) But if this is what you get to when I least expect it, tossing around my experiences and my soul as just another lolcow tumblrina sjw special snowflake joke, then I just can't trust or respect any of you anymore. I refuse to.

Fuck all of you. Sitting on your high horses, claiming that you're better and more enlightened than the fundies and the conservatives, but then turning around and doing this shit. I'm done with you all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 25, 2015, 05:24:14 pm
Yeah, we have this thread called "Worst of Social Justice". I'm surprised it took you this long to notice it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 25, 2015, 05:26:00 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 25, 2015, 05:00:00 pm
so for anyone who doesn't feel like slogging through Ghoti, Art Vandelay, guizonde, mellenORL, Damen and Ironchew's self-righteous circle wank right now, allow me to summarize:

- "it's okay to mock and delegitimize sexual identities and such as long as they're outlandish enough for our limited sensibilities! but fuck homophobia and transphobia though! mom, what's hypocrisy?"
- "why do shades of blue need to be named when the word 'blue' already exists? 'turquoise'? 'maroon'? 'light blue'? 'dark blue'? what is this special snowflake bullshit"
- "these people making new terms for themselves to express their identities, feelings and experiences means that they're trying to force me to apply those terms to my identity, feelings and experiences! rabble rabble dey took our jerbs!"
- "what do you mean every human being experiences sexuality, romance and gender differently because every brain and every life is unique, you're just being sheltered tumblrinas who won't accept me telling them they're wrong and delusional and faking it"
- "those darn asexuals and aromantics are appropriating queerness by existing and making terms for themselves! what do you mean 'queer' has been used by heteros to pretty much refer to everything that's non-hetero because heteronormativity and asexual people have suffered corrective sexual assault specifically for being asexual to "fix" them and make them not "frigid", they're just being whiny brats and attention whores"
- "every identity that's not on my Approved List Of Identities is just people lying and being dissatisfied with themselves and their life, if I can't understand something then no human being can ever really experience it"
- "in a society that plays up sex and romance as the be-all and end-all and considered to be a given thing for humans to experience, people who aren't interested in sex or romance are definitely not dehumanized at all, no siree bob, nope, never"
- there's probably some other bullshit buried here that I missed, but fuck it I'm tired

I trusted you people. I liked you. I respected you. I felt like I could really be honest with all of you here, and connect with you on a real and earnest level even if I happened to disagree with your stances. I felt like I was respected. (None of this applies to you, Ironchew, by the way. You went straight to my 'ignore' list after that bullshit you pulled at me, you know what I mean.) But if this is what you get to when I least expect it, tossing around my experiences and my soul as just another lolcow tumblrina sjw special snowflake joke, then I just can't trust or respect any of you anymore. I refuse to.

Fuck all of you. Sitting on your high horses, claiming that you're better and more enlightened than the fundies and the conservatives, but then turning around and doing this shit. I'm done with you all.

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/0cfb803f11dc4e576d8b84c689b67b0d/tumblr_inline_nsduvkX3Pw1rof54g_500.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 25, 2015, 05:34:21 pm
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/9/98/Popcorn.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140927224455)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on September 25, 2015, 05:35:23 pm
Um. It's gonna be okay?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 25, 2015, 05:57:53 pm
My brain is wired for macrogrammodissocioamory, which means I get off to reading lengthy written statements of intent to leave a forum.

I'm glad to see someone else understands my plight.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 25, 2015, 06:00:10 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on September 25, 2015, 05:57:53 pm
My brain is wired for macrogrammodissocioamory, which means I get off to reading lengthy written statements of intent to leave a forum.

I'm glad to see someone else understands my plight.
Man, he's only been here a month and already he's stomping off. They don't make white knights like they used to.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 25, 2015, 06:14:39 pm
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/17/17fc8de2b65a62c26fd3e6ec7d3742b82275db6d2f07ab41c6995b2c5cda85b4.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Artyom15 on September 25, 2015, 07:13:35 pm
Wow... this is the first rage-quit I've seen on the forum... then again I only browse Society and History and Politics and Govt... but this is fun to watch.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 25, 2015, 07:45:46 pm
Oh, my sweet summer child...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 25, 2015, 07:59:29 pm
what did i do, except express confusion about all this? ok, and maybe apathy. i think they're overthinking everything, but that's about it.

shame to see a rage-quit, though. hope he comes back.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: solar. on September 25, 2015, 08:03:22 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/F0V8EfN.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 25, 2015, 08:06:38 pm
Well that's certainly a thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 25, 2015, 08:48:37 pm
Hmph! He even erased my autoegostrokosexuality, not even including it with other aro/ace sexualities.

I am like SO triggered right now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 25, 2015, 08:52:57 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 25, 2015, 05:00:00 pm
<snip>
Yeah, no. If you can't tell the difference between homophobia and transphobia (i.e. actual bigotry and discrimination, occasionally even to the point of outright murder, of people over a real, medically recognised sexuality and/or gender) and mocking some attention whore on the internet for making up his/her own sexualities and genders on the spot, often complete with nonsensical pronouns, then you're a fucking moron.

What can I say? I and most others here don't just much conservative fundies, we mock stupidity in all its forms. If mocking Tumblrinas offends you whereas mocking neocons is the greatest thing ever in your book, then I'd say it's you who's the hypocrite. Geez, at least some people try to be subtle about their tribalism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 25, 2015, 09:11:09 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 25, 2015, 08:52:57 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 25, 2015, 05:00:00 pm
<snip>
Yeah, no. If you can't tell the difference between homophobia and transphobia (i.e. actual bigotry and discrimination, occasionally even to the point of outright murder, of people over a real, medically recognised sexuality and/or gender) and mocking some attention whore on the internet for making up his/her own sexualities and genders on the spot, often complete with nonsensical pronouns, then you're a fucking moron.

What can I say? I and most others here don't just much conservative fundies, we mock stupidity in all its forms. If mocking Tumblrinas offends you whereas mocking neocons is the greatest thing ever in your book, then I'd say it's you who's the hypocrite. Geez, at least some people try to be subtle about their tribalism.

hell, on occasion, we side with the tumblrinas (best of social justice) or think that dialled down, their ideas make sense.

also, are we that tribalistic? besides being attached to our own personal ones, i mean?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 25, 2015, 09:14:10 pm
Quote from: guizonde on September 25, 2015, 09:11:09 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 25, 2015, 08:52:57 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 25, 2015, 05:00:00 pm
<snip>
Yeah, no. If you can't tell the difference between homophobia and transphobia (i.e. actual bigotry and discrimination, occasionally even to the point of outright murder, of people over a real, medically recognised sexuality and/or gender) and mocking some attention whore on the internet for making up his/her own sexualities and genders on the spot, often complete with nonsensical pronouns, then you're a fucking moron.

What can I say? I and most others here don't just much conservative fundies, we mock stupidity in all its forms. If mocking Tumblrinas offends you whereas mocking neocons is the greatest thing ever in your book, then I'd say it's you who's the hypocrite. Geez, at least some people try to be subtle about their tribalism.

hell, on occasion, we side with the tumblrinas (best of social justice) or think that dialled down, their ideas make sense.

also, are we that tribalistic? besides being attached to our own personal ones, i mean?

Well, probably, but I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to Even Then's tribalism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 25, 2015, 09:22:14 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 25, 2015, 09:14:10 pm
Quote from: guizonde on September 25, 2015, 09:11:09 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 25, 2015, 08:52:57 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 25, 2015, 05:00:00 pm
<snip>
Yeah, no. If you can't tell the difference between homophobia and transphobia (i.e. actual bigotry and discrimination, occasionally even to the point of outright murder, of people over a real, medically recognised sexuality and/or gender) and mocking some attention whore on the internet for making up his/her own sexualities and genders on the spot, often complete with nonsensical pronouns, then you're a fucking moron.

What can I say? I and most others here don't just much conservative fundies, we mock stupidity in all its forms. If mocking Tumblrinas offends you whereas mocking neocons is the greatest thing ever in your book, then I'd say it's you who's the hypocrite. Geez, at least some people try to be subtle about their tribalism.

hell, on occasion, we side with the tumblrinas (best of social justice) or think that dialled down, their ideas make sense.

also, are we that tribalistic? besides being attached to our own personal ones, i mean?

Well, probably, but I wasn't talking about that. I was referring to Even Then's tribalism.

i know that, but before casting a stone, look in the mirror, and all that....
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on September 25, 2015, 09:56:07 pm
Quote from: guizonde on September 25, 2015, 09:11:09 pm
also, are we that tribalistic? besides being attached to our own personal ones, i mean?

Speaking as someone most likely to be in "the outgroup", FQA's not that bad with tribalism. Places like Pharyngula and Shakesville get downright creepy with their cliques.

EDIT: Not promoting this site as a safe space likely has a lot to do with that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 25, 2015, 10:28:39 pm
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/091f886c41c5dc66354f80ef34db0763/tumblr_nrszom6EYA1r83d7lo1_540.png)

Posted mostly for the first tweet.  You are now racist if you literally can't physically pronounce someone's name perfectly, and that makes your native language inferior.  I should note that it is physically impossible for me to roll my r's, so I'd never be able to speak languages that do so perfectly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on September 25, 2015, 11:27:31 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 25, 2015, 06:14:39 pm
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/17/17fc8de2b65a62c26fd3e6ec7d3742b82275db6d2f07ab41c6995b2c5cda85b4.jpg)

Me either. I tend to leave discussions once they turn into big arguments though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 25, 2015, 11:53:33 pm
This argument seems to come from a place of "everyone's feelings are legitimate - everyone." An idea that I just cannot understand in this context.

Personally, these Tumblrinas seem to love invoking "Aro/Ace Kids" and ideas of "corrective sexual assault on Aro/Ace people." I haven't heard of such a practice, nor have I ever seen any news about such a thing happening.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 26, 2015, 12:13:50 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 25, 2015, 11:53:33 pm
This argument seems to come from a place of "everyone's feelings are legitimate - everyone." An idea that I just cannot understand in this context.

Personally, these Tumblrinas seem to love invoking "Aro/Ace Kids" and ideas of "corrective sexual assault on Aro/Ace people." I haven't heard of such a practice, nor have I ever seen any news about such a thing happening.

If I had to guess, I'd say they're talking about how society and culture pressures people to marry and have sex, even though Aro/Ace people have no desire to do so.  That pressure for them to give in to their partners is therefore seen as "corrective sexual assault".  That's my take on it, anyway.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 26, 2015, 12:29:10 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on September 26, 2015, 12:13:50 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 25, 2015, 11:53:33 pm
This argument seems to come from a place of "everyone's feelings are legitimate - everyone." An idea that I just cannot understand in this context.

Personally, these Tumblrinas seem to love invoking "Aro/Ace Kids" and ideas of "corrective sexual assault on Aro/Ace people." I haven't heard of such a practice, nor have I ever seen any news about such a thing happening.

If I had to guess, I'd say they're talking about how society and culture pressures people to marry and have sex, even though Aro/Ace people have no desire to do so.  That pressure for them to give in to their partners is therefore seen as "corrective sexual assault".  That's my take on it, anyway.
Or maybe it's the corrective rape of asexuals or aromantics?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 26, 2015, 12:57:15 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 26, 2015, 12:29:10 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on September 26, 2015, 12:13:50 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 25, 2015, 11:53:33 pm
This argument seems to come from a place of "everyone's feelings are legitimate - everyone." An idea that I just cannot understand in this context.

Personally, these Tumblrinas seem to love invoking "Aro/Ace Kids" and ideas of "corrective sexual assault on Aro/Ace people." I haven't heard of such a practice, nor have I ever seen any news about such a thing happening.

If I had to guess, I'd say they're talking about how society and culture pressures people to marry and have sex, even though Aro/Ace people have no desire to do so.  That pressure for them to give in to their partners is therefore seen as "corrective sexual assault".  That's my take on it, anyway.
Or maybe it's the corrective rape of asexuals or aromantics?
Has that ever actually happened, though? I've heard of "corrective rape" of lesbians happening in Africa, but I've never heard of anyone specifically raping asexuals in order to "correct" them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on September 26, 2015, 01:36:48 am
Meh. If people are coming up with new words to describe how they feel about things I couldn't care less. They sound often silly to me but since I'm not a telepath and human mind is a complicated mess I'm not going to dismiss this stuff outright or mock it either. The victim mentality on the other hand annoys me and Art hit the nail in the head when it comes to comparisons to trans- and homophobia.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 26, 2015, 09:04:02 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 26, 2015, 12:57:15 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 26, 2015, 12:29:10 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on September 26, 2015, 12:13:50 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 25, 2015, 11:53:33 pm
This argument seems to come from a place of "everyone's feelings are legitimate - everyone." An idea that I just cannot understand in this context.

Personally, these Tumblrinas seem to love invoking "Aro/Ace Kids" and ideas of "corrective sexual assault on Aro/Ace people." I haven't heard of such a practice, nor have I ever seen any news about such a thing happening.

If I had to guess, I'd say they're talking about how society and culture pressures people to marry and have sex, even though Aro/Ace people have no desire to do so.  That pressure for them to give in to their partners is therefore seen as "corrective sexual assault".  That's my take on it, anyway.
Or maybe it's the corrective rape of asexuals or aromantics?
Has that ever actually happened, though? I've heard of "corrective rape" of lesbians happening in Africa, but I've never heard of anyone specifically raping asexuals in order to "correct" them.

It might not be called such, but there is a HUGE amount of societal pressure to conform to the norm of being sexual/romantic, to the point that folks who aren't force themselves into sexual relationships even though they don't want them.  Think of it not as individual coercion, but societal coercion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 26, 2015, 09:11:42 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 26, 2015, 09:04:02 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 26, 2015, 12:57:15 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 26, 2015, 12:29:10 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on September 26, 2015, 12:13:50 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 25, 2015, 11:53:33 pm
This argument seems to come from a place of "everyone's feelings are legitimate - everyone." An idea that I just cannot understand in this context.

Personally, these Tumblrinas seem to love invoking "Aro/Ace Kids" and ideas of "corrective sexual assault on Aro/Ace people." I haven't heard of such a practice, nor have I ever seen any news about such a thing happening.

If I had to guess, I'd say they're talking about how society and culture pressures people to marry and have sex, even though Aro/Ace people have no desire to do so.  That pressure for them to give in to their partners is therefore seen as "corrective sexual assault".  That's my take on it, anyway.
Or maybe it's the corrective rape of asexuals or aromantics?
Has that ever actually happened, though? I've heard of "corrective rape" of lesbians happening in Africa, but I've never heard of anyone specifically raping asexuals in order to "correct" them.

It might not be called such, but there is a HUGE amount of societal pressure to conform to the norm of being sexual/romantic, to the point that folks who aren't force themselves into sexual relationships even though they don't want them.  Think of it not as individual coercion, but societal coercion.

Of course, nobody's questioning that (at least, I'm not). I'm referring to corrective rape of asexuals. I only ask because Lizard said it could be a thing, and now my curiosity is piqued.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 26, 2015, 11:45:52 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 26, 2015, 09:11:42 am
Of course, nobody's questioning that (at least, I'm not). I'm referring to corrective rape of asexuals. I only ask because Lizard said it could be a thing, and now my curiosity is piqued.
Yeah, same here. I've heard that same claim a bunch of times, but the only thing I can find on google is a Fluffpost article and a poll for which most of the answers are "no" on an asexuality forum.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 26, 2015, 11:53:40 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 25, 2015, 08:52:57 pm
Yeah, no. If you can't tell the difference between homophobia and transphobia (i.e. actual bigotry and discrimination, occasionally even to the point of outright murder, of people over a real, medically recognised sexuality and/or gender) and mocking some attention whore on the internet for making up his/her own sexualities and genders on the spot, often complete with nonsensical pronouns, then you're a fucking moron.

What can I say? I and most others here don't just much conservative fundies, we mock stupidity in all its forms. If mocking Tumblrinas offends you whereas mocking neocons is the greatest thing ever in your book, then I'd say it's you who's the hypocrite. Geez, at least some people try to be subtle about their tribalism.

Apparently being peeved at having one's experienced delegitimized as just tumblrina faking delusional special snowflake bullshit is "tribalism" now? Also, yeah, people making new terms to explain and make sense of their emotional experiences is totally on the same level as conservativism, these aren't diametrically opposed concepts or anything.

Also, here's someone with an actual certified doctorate acknowledging the issue and providing sources. (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/without-prejudice/201209/prejudice-against-group-x-asexuals) But yeah, whatever, no actual discrimination at all, nope~ Tell me, what's the minimum amount of discrimination that has to exist before you can be bothered to acknowledge it?

But yes. Positing that this is on the exact same level of severity as homophobia and transphobia by making a direct comparison would be fucking asinine and offensive. I acknowledge that. It's a damn good thing I never did that, though; all I said (or tried to get across) was that if you have a problem with people of one sexual/romantic/gender identity being discriminated against but gleefully mock another one because it sounds "fake" and "made-up" enough for you to safely indulge in cognitive dissonance without remorse or misgivings, then you've got another think coming.

Quote from: niam2023 on September 25, 2015, 11:53:33 pm
This argument seems to come from a place of "everyone's feelings are legitimate - everyone." An idea that I just cannot understand in this context.

Personally, these Tumblrinas seem to love invoking "Aro/Ace Kids" and ideas of "corrective sexual assault on Aro/Ace people." I haven't heard of such a practice, nor have I ever seen any news about such a thing happening.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/asexual-discrimination_n_3380551.html
https://thethinkingasexual.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/men-masculinity-asexuality-and-rape/
http://vindictadulcae.tumblr.com/post/48388509611/this-is-not-a-blog-no-seriously-tw-rape

Wow, look at all this talk and these testimonies about corrective sexual assault that asexual people face. I only had to google for five fucking minutes to find this, there's probably more but I'm not your damn Googlebot, find it yourselves. (but it'll probably get rejected because tumblr and Huffpost because genetic fallacies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy) are just so much fun amirite, ohohoho)

In general, there's this attitude in this thread and all over the web that if people talk about an issue, then it's assumed that the people talking about it think that it's THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE AND EVERY OTHER ISSUE IS TRIVIAL COMPARED TO IT. Which... isn't how anything works. If a guy's talking about having his toe cut off, he's not saying "lol suck it up people who have had bombs blow up their entire legs", and it doesn't mean he didn't get his toe cut off in the first place. This wilful misrepresentation is something that I thought this site and you people were above.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 26, 2015, 01:17:47 pm
yeah, see, now, because you're angry, you're making an ass of yourself.

if you read the thread in its entirety, you'll see why we're jaded about a lot of what tumblr has to offer. for example, fictionkin and objectkin. those are silly and delegitimize the trans movement by taking away necessary attention to it, namely when fictionkin say they experience disphoria.

tribalism would be more along the lines of "believing everything you read on the internet". we know that tumblr is a hotbed of teenage attention-seeking, so that's why we have two threads to talk about social justice. the "worst", where we showcase the asses, and the "best", where sensible things are posted. we also have the "things" threads where we can post things not directly related to social justice. around here, skepticism is the norm, and most of us read everything with a grain of salt.

there is discrimination everywhere, of course, but baby steps. most humans are simple creatures who can only be bothered with the flavor of the week. 10 years ago in the usa, gay marriage would never have passed. then came civil unions, marches, legislation, and look where we are. progress is maddeningly slow, and most people don't even know the existence of asexuals, because it's misunderstood. what do we do? we don't cry about it, we tackle bigger more flashy issues until the populace can accept it, in a sort of positive trickle-down effect.

you've given us three sources, sure. two blogs and the huffpost. frankly, it's niche at best. i'm not saying it doesn't exist, i'm saying that people don't care because they don't even know aces exist in the first place. does that make them cold? no, they treat it like generalized rape. which it is. you wanna tackle the ace rape problem? tackle a bigger fish, like rape (of all kind and against all victims).

and unfortunately, with hyperbole being difficult to separate from the truth on the internet, yes, people who post do believe their issue is the single most important one. hell, most people find it hard to concentrate on two things at once (for example, abortion clinic bombings and gay rights). you get jaded after a while.

there, i believe i said all that should be said about your angry rant in a calm collected manner.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 26, 2015, 03:17:07 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 26, 2015, 12:57:15 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 26, 2015, 12:29:10 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on September 26, 2015, 12:13:50 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 25, 2015, 11:53:33 pm
This argument seems to come from a place of "everyone's feelings are legitimate - everyone." An idea that I just cannot understand in this context.

Personally, these Tumblrinas seem to love invoking "Aro/Ace Kids" and ideas of "corrective sexual assault on Aro/Ace people." I haven't heard of such a practice, nor have I ever seen any news about such a thing happening.

If I had to guess, I'd say they're talking about how society and culture pressures people to marry and have sex, even though Aro/Ace people have no desire to do so.  That pressure for them to give in to their partners is therefore seen as "corrective sexual assault".  That's my take on it, anyway.
Or maybe it's the corrective rape of asexuals or aromantics?
Has that ever actually happened, though? I've heard of "corrective rape" of lesbians happening in Africa, but I've never heard of anyone specifically raping asexuals in order to "correct" them.

Yes, it has. Not sure how common it is, but it has happened. (http://asexualsurvivors.org/tag/corrective-rape/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 26, 2015, 03:57:50 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 26, 2015, 12:57:15 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 26, 2015, 12:29:10 am
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on September 26, 2015, 12:13:50 am
Quote from: niam2023 on September 25, 2015, 11:53:33 pm
This argument seems to come from a place of "everyone's feelings are legitimate - everyone." An idea that I just cannot understand in this context.

Personally, these Tumblrinas seem to love invoking "Aro/Ace Kids" and ideas of "corrective sexual assault on Aro/Ace people." I haven't heard of such a practice, nor have I ever seen any news about such a thing happening.

If I had to guess, I'd say they're talking about how society and culture pressures people to marry and have sex, even though Aro/Ace people have no desire to do so.  That pressure for them to give in to their partners is therefore seen as "corrective sexual assault".  That's my take on it, anyway.
Or maybe it's the corrective rape of asexuals or aromantics?
Has that ever actually happened, though? I've heard of "corrective rape" of lesbians happening in Africa, but I've never heard of anyone specifically raping asexuals in order to "correct" them.
Probably, corrective rape is highly prevalent in the LGBT community* so I'd imagine it'd be common in the Ace community.

*in America as well, I believe like 40-30% of lesbians and 50% of transgenders have experienced rape or attempted rape.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 26, 2015, 04:12:13 pm
Things are a bit better now, but yes, ages ago I was slapped by a frustrated guy and had a very close call when another dude clearly thought he could turn me. There are rapists out there, always have been, always will be. They will find an excuse, and I'm sure an ace person is absolutely just as vulnerable a "tempting challenge" as lesbians were and still are. But the point is rape is about domination and control, so a lot of people are potential targets to various rapists out there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 26, 2015, 09:40:51 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 26, 2015, 11:53:40 am
Apparently being peeved at having one's experienced delegitimized as just tumblrina faking delusional special snowflake bullshit is "tribalism" now? Also, yeah, people making new terms to explain and make sense of their emotional experiences is totally on the same level as conservativism, these aren't diametrically opposed concepts or anything.

Also, here's someone with an actual certified doctorate acknowledging the issue and providing sources. (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/without-prejudice/201209/prejudice-against-group-x-asexuals) But yeah, whatever, no actual discrimination at all, nope~ Tell me, what's the minimum amount of discrimination that has to exist before you can be bothered to acknowledge it?

But yes. Positing that this is on the exact same level of severity as homophobia and transphobia by making a direct comparison would be fucking asinine and offensive. I acknowledge that. It's a damn good thing I never did that, though; all I said (or tried to get across) was that if you have a problem with people of one sexual/romantic/gender identity being discriminated against but gleefully mock another one because it sounds "fake" and "made-up" enough for you to safely indulge in cognitive dissonance without remorse or misgivings, then you've got another think coming.
Alright, I think you've got the wrong idea here. Nobody here is mocking asexuals as a whole, or saying they don't really exist and are just attention seekers, we're taking the piss out of a small subset of idiots on Tumblr (who may or may not actually be asexual themselves) who just make up nonsense like "queerplatonic" just to make something as mundane as being friends with people seem unique and special. That's the kind of thing we're dismissing as special snowflake bullshit. Again, we all know that asexuality is indeed a real, medically proven trait, nobody is trying to mock or dismiss asexuality itself.

You know how we love to take the piss out of idiots who make up their own genders (nonsense like "quirogender", "voidgender", "purplegender", "demiquasiblowblowgender" and the like), yet that doesn't mean we're dismissing or mocking actual transpeople? This is pretty much the same sort of thing. If we managed to hit a nerve that badly (or "triggered" you, if you will, heh heh), you may want to take some time to calm down before posting in this thread some more.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on September 26, 2015, 11:01:37 pm
My understanding is that people are frustrated with idiots who have special snowflake syndrome. Some of them will insist they are unique or oppressed because of a nonsensical condition they create for themselves (headmates are an example) or because of a trait that's fairly common within our population (like demisexuality). I don't think the issue is the label itself, but rather the folks who are extreme in their behavior. They often behave this way because they lack a sense of identity otherwise, so they cling to whatever trait will allow them to feel good about themselves and fit within a small community that can reinforce this perspective.

I don't think these people are the worst thing ever. There are more damaging people in the community, but that doesn't mean some of these special snowflakes aren't annoying as hell. I have little tolerance for whiny teenagers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 26, 2015, 11:30:06 pm
Plus, some of the Tumblr User "triggers" are utterly laughable.

I'm sorry, you're triggered by Super Mario because you have Luigi as a headmate? You don't want to see a church because you think you're a malign star god?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 27, 2015, 09:51:44 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 26, 2015, 09:40:51 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 26, 2015, 11:53:40 am
Apparently being peeved at having one's experienced delegitimized as just tumblrina faking delusional special snowflake bullshit is "tribalism" now? Also, yeah, people making new terms to explain and make sense of their emotional experiences is totally on the same level as conservativism, these aren't diametrically opposed concepts or anything.

Also, here's someone with an actual certified doctorate acknowledging the issue and providing sources. (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/without-prejudice/201209/prejudice-against-group-x-asexuals) But yeah, whatever, no actual discrimination at all, nope~ Tell me, what's the minimum amount of discrimination that has to exist before you can be bothered to acknowledge it?

But yes. Positing that this is on the exact same level of severity as homophobia and transphobia by making a direct comparison would be fucking asinine and offensive. I acknowledge that. It's a damn good thing I never did that, though; all I said (or tried to get across) was that if you have a problem with people of one sexual/romantic/gender identity being discriminated against but gleefully mock another one because it sounds "fake" and "made-up" enough for you to safely indulge in cognitive dissonance without remorse or misgivings, then you've got another think coming.
Alright, I think you've got the wrong idea here. Nobody here is mocking asexuals as a whole, or saying they don't really exist and are just attention seekers, we're taking the piss out of a small subset of idiots on Tumblr (who may or may not actually be asexual themselves) who just make up nonsense like "queerplatonic" just to make something as mundane as being friends with people seem unique and special. That's the kind of thing we're dismissing as special snowflake bullshit. Again, we all know that asexuality is indeed a real, medically proven trait, nobody is trying to mock or dismiss asexuality itself.

You know how we love to take the piss out of idiots who make up their own genders (nonsense like "quirogender", "voidgender", "purplegender", "demiquasiblowblowgender" and the like), yet that doesn't mean we're dismissing or mocking actual transpeople? This is pretty much the same sort of thing. If we managed to hit a nerve that badly (or "triggered" you, if you will, heh heh), you may want to take some time to calm down before posting in this thread some more.

Quote from: Damen
Feel fine enough being alone that you don't have a screaming need for an intimate relationship? Nope, you're not an adult who's just fine being alone; you're "aromantic." You're not just a walking hormone that wants to fuck anything upright but still like to have an orgasm or two every once in a while and hope those orgasms are with another person if possible? Nope, you're not an adult who isn't defined by how often they fuck, you're "asexual."

Uh-huh. Yeah. Sure. My ass that was all that was going on. (Also, "trigger" jokes? In 2015?)

Still. I admit that in my anger, I lashed out at people who might not have had it coming and have been relatively reasonable, expressed myself poorly and oversimplified the issue. I'd like to take a moment to apologize to everyone who isn't Damen or Ironchew for that. I can see where you're all coming from with the attitude that people who make neopronouns and new terms for sexuality and gender are delegitimizing LGBT people. I don't share that attitude, obviously, but I've calmed down enough to acknowledge it.

Quote from: guizonde on September 26, 2015, 01:17:47 pm
yeah, see, now, because you're angry, you're making an ass of yourself.

if you read the thread in its entirety, you'll see why we're jaded about a lot of what tumblr has to offer. for example, fictionkin and objectkin. those are silly and delegitimize the trans movement by taking away necessary attention to it, namely when fictionkin say they experience disphoria.

tribalism would be more along the lines of "believing everything you read on the internet". we know that tumblr is a hotbed of teenage attention-seeking, so that's why we have two threads to talk about social justice. the "worst", where we showcase the asses, and the "best", where sensible things are posted. we also have the "things" threads where we can post things not directly related to social justice. around here, skepticism is the norm, and most of us read everything with a grain of salt.

there is discrimination everywhere, of course, but baby steps. most humans are simple creatures who can only be bothered with the flavor of the week. 10 years ago in the usa, gay marriage would never have passed. then came civil unions, marches, legislation, and look where we are. progress is maddeningly slow, and most people don't even know the existence of asexuals, because it's misunderstood. what do we do? we don't cry about it, we tackle bigger more flashy issues until the populace can accept it, in a sort of positive trickle-down effect.

you've given us three sources, sure. two blogs and the huffpost. frankly, it's niche at best. i'm not saying it doesn't exist, i'm saying that people don't care because they don't even know aces exist in the first place. does that make them cold? no, they treat it like generalized rape. which it is. you wanna tackle the ace rape problem? tackle a bigger fish, like rape (of all kind and against all victims).

and unfortunately, with hyperbole being difficult to separate from the truth on the internet, yes, people who post do believe their issue is the single most important one. hell, most people find it hard to concentrate on two things at once (for example, abortion clinic bombings and gay rights). you get jaded after a while.

there, i believe i said all that should be said about your angry rant in a calm collected manner.

- "Believing everything you read on the Internet" makes no sense because the Internet is a communication vehicle same as anything else. You might as well say "oh, you just heard of that on the television so it's definitely not real lol"

- "no, they treat it like generalized rape. which it is." if the rape is directed at someone specifically for having a specific sexuality or whatever, then it's not generalized rape. quod erat demonstratum.

- "you've given us three sources, sure. two blogs and the huffpost." well what do you know? I've developed the mystical ability to see into the future. still, at least you're acknowledging that the issue exists, and I can acknowledge that you're acknowledging it. I can admit that my number of sources is low, but at the moment I was trying to show that the issue even exists and affects ace people specifically.

- see, your comments about how I need to "tackle a bigger fish" and "tackle more flashy issues" would be excellent and valid criticism if I was actually hosting a political rally or a protest or whatever. only that's not what I'm doing. I'm one person, screaming into the void on a forum.

- "with hyperbole being difficult to separate from the truth on the internet, yes, people who post do believe their issue is the single most important one. hell, most people find it hard to concentrate on two things at once (for example, abortion clinic bombings and gay rights)." I'm pretty sure that people who talk about one issue aren't ignorant of or trivializing other issues while they're talking about the first issue. people can be aware of several things at once. it's not like I can't understand your cynicism, but if I don't literally see someone say "this is the most important issue ever and all other issues are shit to me", I lean more towards idealism.

- How's this? Am I being calm enough to be taken seriously now? I'm not even being facetious (mostly).

Quote from: Sleepy on September 26, 2015, 11:01:37 pm
Some of them will insist they are unique or oppressed because of a nonsensical condition they create for themselves (headmates are an example)

Dissociative Identity Disorder is an actual thing, documented by actual psychologists. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder) Pardon me, but I call bullshit on this whole "lol look at this tumblrina making up conditions" attitude.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on September 27, 2015, 10:07:05 am
Quote from: Even Then on September 27, 2015, 09:51:44 am
Quote from: Sleepy on September 26, 2015, 11:01:37 pm
Some of them will insist they are unique or oppressed because of a nonsensical condition they create for themselves (headmates are an example)

Dissociative Identity Disorder is an actual thing, documented by actual psychologists. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder) Pardon me, but I call bullshit on this whole "lol look at this tumblrina making up conditions" attitude.

Of course DID is an actual thing. That's not what we're referring to. We're referring to people who don't have DID but still purposefully create fun headmates for themselves because, like I said before, they lack a sense of identity and want to fit in somewhere. Doing that completely fucks over those who have DID because it makes it seem like a non-issue, when it reality it can disrupt your entire life.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 27, 2015, 10:12:50 am
Again, I can understand your cynicism (after all, I was being cynical and assuming you didn't think DID is a thing), but when I see people talking about headmates, I don't think "they're making it up for attention", I think "they probably have DID or something resembling DID (but maybe not an actual diagnosis) so they're using terms like 'headmates' to express their experiences and problems"

I'm probably just a bleeding-heart idealist about this, though, or at least by FQA standards. Maybe that's the problem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 27, 2015, 10:40:05 am
Horseshoe theory in action, courtesy of ace tumblr:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 27, 2015, 10:41:08 am
Quote from: Even Then on September 27, 2015, 09:51:44 am
Uh-huh. Yeah. Sure. My ass that was all that was going on. (Also, "trigger" jokes? In 2015?)
Huh, you're right, I must've missed that. I suppose it's now up to Damen to continue this argument, if he so desires.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 27, 2015, 12:09:07 pm
Even Then, maybe wait a little while and check through posts from the profiles of people who made you angry in this thread. Every one that you cited as being wrong-headed or ignorant is in fact intelligent and fairly knowledgeable, very much including Damen and Ironchew and Sleepy, etc. Socio-Political views and personalities differ pretty widely around here, though, even if the majority range from center to far left.

This thread, "Worst of Social Justice", is just a counter to "Best of Social Justice". The name of FQA is Frequently Questioned Answers for a reason, in that we mostly are a bit suspicious of extraordinary "answers" and claims on the web; extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof or reasoning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 27, 2015, 12:41:11 pm
The thing with headmates, ET, is that from what I've seen, they tend to be completely self-diagnosed, much like the people who self-diagnose with autism.  Sure, some of them may legitimately have the issue and, if they do, they need to seek professional help.  However, a lot of those who self-diagnose are merely doing it as a cover for their more, shall we say, problematic tendencies?  Like claiming to be autistic to cover the fact that you're just an asshole.  Now, if they have a proper diagnosis from someone who spent nearly a decade learning to do that very thing, then fine, they have the issue, case closed.  Also, I'll back you up on calling Damen on his bullshit.  What he said, to me, is like saying "you're not just a man who wants to fuck other men, you're 'homosexual'," and its every bit as offensive.  "Asexual" and "aromantic" are succinct terms used to describe broader concepts.  Like "transsexual" or "bipolar."  Heaven forbid we communicate efficiently.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 27, 2015, 12:53:56 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 27, 2015, 09:51:44 am

- "Believing everything you read on the Internet" makes no sense because the Internet is a communication vehicle same as anything else. You might as well say "oh, you just heard of that on the television so it's definitely not real lol"
no, it means take everything you read with a grain of salt, precisely because gullability leads to bad things.

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- "no, they treat it like generalized rape. which it is." if the rape is directed at someone specifically for having a specific sexuality or whatever, then it's not generalized rape. quod erat demonstratum.
i meant that rape is rape. if there are aggravating circumstances, that's for the courts to decide. else you risk minimizing certain types of rape in favor of others. and that makes it worse in my book.

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- "you've given us three sources, sure. two blogs and the huffpost." well what do you know? I've developed the mystical ability to see into the future. still, at least you're acknowledging that the issue exists, and I can acknowledge that you're acknowledging it. I can admit that my number of sources is low, but at the moment I was trying to show that the issue even exists and affects ace people specifically.
i wasn't criticizing or minimizing the sources. i was listing them to show i had read your post thoroughly. however, blogs and the huffpost are more hip to the social justice plights around the world, moreso than the washington post, for example. therein lies the confusion.

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- see, your comments about how I need to "tackle a bigger fish" and "tackle more flashy issues" would be excellent and valid criticism if I was actually hosting a political rally or a protest or whatever. only that's not what I'm doing. I'm one person, screaming into the void on a forum.

nearsightedness is a problem. you can't convince people if you aim for the details.

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- "with hyperbole being difficult to separate from the truth on the internet, yes, people who post do believe their issue is the single most important one. hell, most people find it hard to concentrate on two things at once (for example, abortion clinic bombings and gay rights)." I'm pretty sure that people who talk about one issue aren't ignorant of or trivializing other issues while they're talking about the first issue. people can be aware of several things at once. it's not like I can't understand your cynicism, but if I don't literally see someone say "this is the most important issue ever and all other issues are shit to me", I lean more towards idealism.

you're not as jaded as me, good on you.

Quote
- How's this? Am I being calm enough to be taken seriously now? I'm not even being facetious (mostly).

snark is good. helps keep the hatred away.

Quote from: Sleepy on September 26, 2015, 11:01:37 pm
Some of them will insist they are unique or oppressed because of a nonsensical condition they create for themselves (headmates are an example)

Quote
Dissociative Identity Disorder is an actual thing, documented by actual psychologists. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder) Pardon me, but I call bullshit on this whole "lol look at this tumblrina making up conditions" attitude.

i've got symptoms of did. blame my psychosis on that. but i've got a legitimate medical diagnosis at my back. not everyone on the internet does, and some do it for the attention.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 27, 2015, 02:03:54 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 27, 2015, 12:41:11 pm
The thing with headmates, ET, is that from what I've seen, they tend to be completely self-diagnosed, much like the people who self-diagnose with autism.  Sure, some of them may legitimately have the issue and, if they do, they need to seek professional help.  However, a lot of those who self-diagnose are merely doing it as a cover for their more, shall we say, problematic tendencies?  Like claiming to be autistic to cover the fact that you're just an asshole.  Now, if they have a proper diagnosis from someone who spent nearly a decade learning to do that very thing, then fine, they have the issue, case closed.

Bullshit self-diagnosis is a thing, no doubt. But...

1) Some things you can in fact self-diagnose. Gender dysphoria, for example, is almost always self-diagnosed. You can be wrong about being autistic, but I'm not sure you can be wrong about having a headmate. (you can lie about having a headmate, but that's a different thing altogether. You can also lie about being professionally diagnosed)

2) Professional diagnosis is not necessarily much more rigorous than self-diagnosis. You can get someone who has years of experiences with people with the disorder and knows all the symptoms back and forth, but you can also get someone who has never had a patient with the disorder who looks up a list of diagnostic criteria, asks you the questions, and if you say "yes" to enough of them gives you the diagnosis. Plus you just sometimes are out of luck and get the one guy who thinks X isn't real.

If you can look up the list of diagnostic criteria and honestly look at each one of them and see if they apply, it's not obvious your self-diagnosis is any worse than a professional one. That doesn't solve the problem of dishonesty, but you can lie to psychiatrists too.


People tend to look at professional diagnosis as confirmation you "aren't making it up", but it's not like there's a blood test for mental disorders. The information you use to self-diagnose is often the same information a professional will use to say "yes, you are X"; often the difference between self- and professionally diagnosed is whether you can afford to have someone confirm it (did you know: it costs about $2,000 to get an autism diagnosis?).

Does this vary by disorder? Yes. Is a professional diagnosis preferable and more reliable than a self-diagnosis? Probably. But I think it's a mistake to draw a sharp line where people who are professionally diagnosed are Legit and everyone else is making it up for attention. Partly because psychiatry is not an exact science, partly because it often doesn't matter if someone Really Is X or just has some symptoms of X, and partly because you end up discriminating against people who can't afford a professional diagnosis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on September 27, 2015, 02:57:51 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 27, 2015, 12:41:11 pm
Also, I'll back you up on calling Damen on his bullshit.  What he said, to me, is like saying "you're not just a man who wants to fuck other men, you're 'homosexual'," and its every bit as offensive.  "Asexual" and "aromantic" are succinct terms used to describe broader concepts.  Like "transsexual" or "bipolar."  Heaven forbid we communicate efficiently.

If you thought that was anything but a jab at the extremes of the special snowflakes, I will offer my apologies. I'll try to better explain myself and I will cut out the snark for this post.

I am fully aware that asexually exists and is a real thing, as is aromanticism, but I take issue with, and mock, the people who misuse the label in order to feel special. Focusing on asexuality (because I am most familiar with that); to the best of my understanding, asexuality simply means a lack of desire to have sex. The snowflakes (the target of my mockery) however, believe that you can have the desire for sex and still be asexual. To me, that is on par with never having the desire to have sex with other men yet calling yourself homosexual and that is something I find offensive. And please keep in mind, I am not saying asexual people never have sex, I am aware that they do for a number of reasons.

As for the rest of this, I'm just going to stay away from posting in this thread for a while to avoid fanning these flames any higher.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on September 27, 2015, 09:59:38 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 27, 2015, 02:03:54 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 27, 2015, 12:41:11 pm
The thing with headmates, ET, is that from what I've seen, they tend to be completely self-diagnosed, much like the people who self-diagnose with autism.  Sure, some of them may legitimately have the issue and, if they do, they need to seek professional help.  However, a lot of those who self-diagnose are merely doing it as a cover for their more, shall we say, problematic tendencies?  Like claiming to be autistic to cover the fact that you're just an asshole.  Now, if they have a proper diagnosis from someone who spent nearly a decade learning to do that very thing, then fine, they have the issue, case closed.

Bullshit self-diagnosis is a thing, no doubt. But...

1) Some things you can in fact self-diagnose. Gender dysphoria, for example, is almost always self-diagnosed. You can be wrong about being autistic, but I'm not sure you can be wrong about having a headmate. (you can lie about having a headmate, but that's a different thing altogether. You can also lie about being professionally diagnosed)

2) Professional diagnosis is not necessarily much more rigorous than self-diagnosis. You can get someone who has years of experiences with people with the disorder and knows all the symptoms back and forth, but you can also get someone who has never had a patient with the disorder who looks up a list of diagnostic criteria, asks you the questions, and if you say "yes" to enough of them gives you the diagnosis. Plus you just sometimes are out of luck and get the one guy who thinks X isn't real.

If you can look up the list of diagnostic criteria and honestly look at each one of them and see if they apply, it's not obvious your self-diagnosis is any worse than a professional one. That doesn't solve the problem of dishonesty, but you can lie to psychiatrists too.


People tend to look at professional diagnosis as confirmation you "aren't making it up", but it's not like there's a blood test for mental disorders. The information you use to self-diagnose is often the same information a professional will use to say "yes, you are X"; often the difference between self- and professionally diagnosed is whether you can afford to have someone confirm it (did you know: it costs about $2,000 to get an autism diagnosis?).

Does this vary by disorder? Yes. Is a professional diagnosis preferable and more reliable than a self-diagnosis? Probably. But I think it's a mistake to draw a sharp line where people who are professionally diagnosed are Legit and everyone else is making it up for attention. Partly because psychiatry is not an exact science, partly because it often doesn't matter if someone Really Is X or just has some symptoms of X, and partly because you end up discriminating against people who can't afford a professional diagnosis.

Hel, I was professionally diagnosed with an anxiety disorder, and am taking prescription drugs that wouldn't help AT ALL if I didn't have the disorder, and since I have to pay a $50 copay to see the shrink 4x/year, it's hardly something I'd do if I didn't have to.  Yet my father insists that I'm making up having an anxiety disorder "for attention."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 27, 2015, 10:16:44 pm
Can you say "five knuckle shuffle?"

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/4358e43f3f44939d0ee5f842aae6b44b/tumblr_nd2uudUVcK1t4f6q1o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 27, 2015, 10:23:59 pm
*hits UP with a chair*

NO!  YOU DON'T GET TO USE THAT!  THAT'S OUR PHRASE!

Ironbite-*slams UP with a chair before exiting the ring while the theme music plays*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 27, 2015, 10:41:31 pm
Quote from: TheL on September 27, 2015, 09:59:38 pm
Hel, I was professionally diagnosed with an anxiety disorder, and am taking prescription drugs that wouldn't help AT ALL if I didn't have the disorder, and since I have to pay a $50 copay to see the shrink 4x/year, it's hardly something I'd do if I didn't have to.  Yet my father insists that I'm making up having an anxiety disorder "for attention."

Ouch. That sucks.

(was the Hel with one L thing intentional? Clever)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 27, 2015, 11:05:25 pm
Makes me glad my parents believe in...well...science.  Psychology might be inexact and a bit...screwy, at times, but its as much a science as chemistry or physics.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on September 28, 2015, 02:37:10 am
Quote from: Ghoti on September 27, 2015, 10:40:05 am
Horseshoe theory in action, courtesy of ace tumblr:
(click to show/hide)
2: isn't it a bit much to declare the entire ace community dead because of a single stupid post on Tumblr?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 28, 2015, 08:22:39 am
Quote from: I am lizard on September 28, 2015, 02:37:10 am
Quote from: Ghoti on September 27, 2015, 10:40:05 am
Horseshoe theory in action, courtesy of ace tumblr:
(click to show/hide)
2: isn't it a bit much to declare the entire ace community dead because of a single stupid post on Tumblr?
It's actually pretty standard tumblr hyperbole, expressing extreme disagreement and exasperation. Yeah, it is a bit much, but it's a pretty standard part of the capital-D Discourse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 28, 2015, 08:49:31 am
Kinda like saying the internet's over when someone makes a particularly asinine post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 28, 2015, 09:24:13 am
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/20qhhu.jpg)

I can't believe I have to point this out but: rape and murder =/= one-night stands.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on September 28, 2015, 10:37:36 am
Why does it say the source is Roosh V?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on September 28, 2015, 03:28:34 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 27, 2015, 10:41:31 pm
Quote from: TheL on September 27, 2015, 09:59:38 pm
Hel, I was professionally diagnosed with an anxiety disorder, and am taking prescription drugs that wouldn't help AT ALL if I didn't have the disorder, and since I have to pay a $50 copay to see the shrink 4x/year, it's hardly something I'd do if I didn't have to.  Yet my father insists that I'm making up having an anxiety disorder "for attention."

Ouch. That sucks.

(was the Hel with one L thing intentional? Clever)

I've been typing that for years.  You're the first person to point it out. :3

And Ravy, my parents do believe in psychology.  Dad just thinks I'm lying about the whole thing--the psych visits, the drugs, ALL OF IT.  He's a lousy person, frankly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 28, 2015, 03:41:50 pm
Quote from: TheL on September 28, 2015, 03:28:34 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on September 27, 2015, 10:41:31 pm
Quote from: TheL on September 27, 2015, 09:59:38 pm
Hel, I was professionally diagnosed with an anxiety disorder, and am taking prescription drugs that wouldn't help AT ALL if I didn't have the disorder, and since I have to pay a $50 copay to see the shrink 4x/year, it's hardly something I'd do if I didn't have to.  Yet my father insists that I'm making up having an anxiety disorder "for attention."

Ouch. That sucks.

(was the Hel with one L thing intentional? Clever)

I've been typing that for years.  You're the first person to point it out. :3

And Ravy, my parents do believe in psychology.  Dad just thinks I'm lying about the whole thing--the psych visits, the drugs, ALL OF IT.  He's a lousy person, frankly.

one of my friends (a real hippy type, him and spuki would get along perfectly) still doesn't believe i'm psychotic because he distruts psychiatry like a normal human being distrusts the irs. instead, he says i'm "thinking differently". which i am, but on a neurological level, not on a soul level. so yeah, i feel you.

(tmi: we get along just fine, but it's a minor disagreement at best, we never saw eye to eye on anything regarding religion, philosophy, or medicine. he's holistic, i'm scientific. no biggie, best of friends)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 28, 2015, 04:29:27 pm
@L: Ouch, that's even worse.  Sounds like those fucks at school that thought I was just "acting out."  Funny thing, my dad...my fucking autistic dad, was the first to spot signs of fucking emotional abuse during my early school years.  The faculty refused to accept it, and thus, did nothing about it.  Its a sad day when a man who's been diagnosed with Asperger's has more emotional knowledge and empathy than supposedly normal people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 28, 2015, 05:32:20 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KpdL8UuntA

Somebody you don't like is holding a lecture?  Pull the fire alarm!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 28, 2015, 10:03:13 pm
Lucky. Here, the cops woulda just batoned or pepper sprayed them all 3 seconds after the first warning to leave.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 29, 2015, 08:25:53 am
Quote from: MellenORL
Even Then, maybe wait a little while and check through posts from the profiles of people who made you angry in this thread. Every one that you cited as being wrong-headed or ignorant is in fact intelligent and fairly knowledgeable, very much including Damen and Ironchew and Sleepy, etc. Socio-Political views and personalities differ pretty widely around here, though, even if the majority range from center to far left.

That is a valid criticism of my conduct and I wish I'd done that earlier. But you know, angry posting has little room for things like that. That's not an excuse, I'm still in the wrong, but still.

Quote from: Ghoti
Horseshoe theory in action, courtesy of ace tumblr:

You know, I'm actually with you on some of these. Yes, ace and aro people are delegitimized and erased in society, but to call us oppressed on the exact same level as gay or trans people is pretty offenve. No, being ace doesn't automatically imply a respect of someone's boundaries.

Quote from: guizonde
i wasn't criticizing or minimizing the sources. i was listing them to show i had read your post thoroughly. however, blogs and the huffpost are more hip to the social justice plights around the world, moreso than the washington post, for example. therein lies the confusion.

Fair enough.

Quote from: Damen
If you thought that was anything but a jab at the extremes of the special snowflakes, I will offer my apologies. I'll try to better explain myself and I will cut out the snark for this post.

I am fully aware that asexually exists and is a real thing, as is aromanticism, but I take issue with, and mock, the people who misuse the label in order to feel special. Focusing on asexuality (because I am most familiar with that); to the best of my understanding, asexuality simply means a lack of desire to have sex. The snowflakes (the target of my mockery) however, believe that you can have the desire for sex and still be asexual. To me, that is on par with never having the desire to have sex with other men yet calling yourself homosexual and that is something I find offensive. And please keep in mind, I am not saying asexual people never have sex, I am aware that they do for a number of reasons.

Yeah, your wording was unclear on whether you were mocking the very concept of asexuality/aromanticism or not, but I'll concede that I didn't think about your post as much as I should've. I guess I owe you an apology too. No hard feelings?

Again, it's not like I can't see where you're coming from either, and appropriating homosexuality like that pisses me off too. And yeah, wanting sex with people for the sake of having sex with people and calling yourself asexual rubs me the wrong way too.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 28, 2015, 09:24:13 am
(http://oi61.tinypic.com/20qhhu.jpg)

I can't believe I have to point this out but: rape and murder =/= one-night stands.

I usually expect this sort of "men are uncontrollable sex beasts" rhetoric from MRAs, myself.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 29, 2015, 09:49:29 am
I just wish they'd decide whether or not men are mentally capable of ruling literally everything, or are what amounts to gigantic, ambulatory cocks that seek to penetrate anything warm and/or moist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 29, 2015, 10:13:22 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 29, 2015, 09:49:29 am
I just wish they'd decide whether or not men are mentally capable of ruling literally everything, or are what amounts to gigantic, ambulatory cocks that seek to penetrate anything warm and/or moist.

why just warm? #justnecrophilethings
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 29, 2015, 10:19:52 am
Necrophilia: sit back and crack open a cold one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 29, 2015, 10:22:03 am
more like #britishpolitics

...no, that joke hasn't worn quite off for me yet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 29, 2015, 10:24:15 am
I triple-giggled through all three of those previous posts. Made the rainy morning here sunny for a minute XD.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 29, 2015, 10:25:43 am
I'm glad I've managed to do some good recently :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 29, 2015, 11:11:36 am
Aw, please don't be so remorseful. We all spout off now and then. It's already forgotten. And I'm betting you've been on the receiving end of some abuse online and possibly IRL in the past. <hugs>
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on September 29, 2015, 11:22:44 am
Actually, I haven't. So yeah, hugs aren't warranted.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 29, 2015, 11:53:08 am
Yeah, there are some MRAs who think they're entitled to sex, which is one of my pet peeves.  Nobody is entitled to sex, not a white knight, not somebody's spouse, not a "nice guy", not a trans* person, nobody.  Anybody who claims otherwise cares more about their libido than basic human rights.

Also, that reminds me of certain feminists who, in their efforts to avoid being criticized, end up reinforcing stereotypes about women being delicate flowers.  Melody "Twitter gave me PTSD" Hensley comes to mind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on September 29, 2015, 12:11:02 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 29, 2015, 11:22:44 am
Actually, I haven't. So yeah, hugs aren't warranted.


Hugs are always warranted.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 29, 2015, 12:56:44 pm
Quote from: Svata on September 29, 2015, 12:11:02 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 29, 2015, 11:22:44 am
Actually, I haven't. So yeah, hugs aren't warranted.


Hugs are always warranted.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Hugs for everybody!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 29, 2015, 12:58:00 pm
Quote from: askold on September 29, 2015, 12:56:44 pm
Quote from: Svata on September 29, 2015, 12:11:02 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 29, 2015, 11:22:44 am
Actually, I haven't. So yeah, hugs aren't warranted.


Hugs are always warranted.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Hugs for everybody!

Yeah!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on September 29, 2015, 01:36:46 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 29, 2015, 12:58:00 pm
Quote from: askold on September 29, 2015, 12:56:44 pm
Quote from: Svata on September 29, 2015, 12:11:02 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 29, 2015, 11:22:44 am
Actually, I haven't. So yeah, hugs aren't warranted.


Hugs are always warranted.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Hugs for everybody!

Yeah!


Woo!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on September 29, 2015, 02:15:41 pm
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/adp2LDB_460s.jpg)

can't we just say "people" instead? positive discrimination is still discrimination, and people will keep on bitching about skin color until we accept the fact that we're all human.

think what i'm saying is foolhardy? imagine discriminating against blondes or gingers instead of calling them "people". same deal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 29, 2015, 05:54:31 pm
Quote from: guizonde on September 29, 2015, 02:15:41 pm
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/adp2LDB_460s.jpg)

can't we just say "people" instead? positive discrimination is still discrimination, and people will keep on bitching about skin color until we accept the fact that we're all human.

think what i'm saying is foolhardy? imagine discriminating against blondes or gingers instead of calling them "people". same deal.


"assuming a predominantly white, middle-class society". Yes, nothing quite so bad as, um, recognising that people who are a majority of the population are a majority of the population.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on September 29, 2015, 08:09:14 pm
Also, "minorities" and "people of color" mean different things, unless you consider all LGBT people to be "people of color," which would be really strange.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 29, 2015, 08:17:28 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on September 29, 2015, 08:09:14 pm
Also, "minorities" and "people of color" mean different things, unless you consider all LGBT people to be "people of color," which would be really strange.

To be fair, they probably do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on September 29, 2015, 08:33:47 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 29, 2015, 08:17:28 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on September 29, 2015, 08:09:14 pm
Also, "minorities" and "people of color" mean different things, unless you consider all LGBT people to be "people of color," which would be really strange.

To be fair, they probably do.

*looks at own Nordic/Celtic features, including light skin, blond hair, blue-green eyes*

...how does that make any sense?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on September 29, 2015, 08:44:10 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on September 29, 2015, 08:33:47 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 29, 2015, 08:17:28 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on September 29, 2015, 08:09:14 pm
Also, "minorities" and "people of color" mean different things, unless you consider all LGBT people to be "people of color," which would be really strange.

To be fair, they probably do.

*looks at own Nordic/Celtic features, including light skin, blond hair, blue-green eyes*

...how does that make any sense?

Well, as far as I can tell, on Tumblr, the term "person of color" means those who are or have been oppressed by white people at some point in history. Since LGBT people have been and are oppressed by white people, this makes them people of color.

Fun fact, this also makes the Sami, the Roma, and the Irish "people of color". It also makes the Armenians so, but I think in their case, they deserve a break anyway.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 29, 2015, 08:50:18 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on September 29, 2015, 08:33:47 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 29, 2015, 08:17:28 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on September 29, 2015, 08:09:14 pm
Also, "minorities" and "people of color" mean different things, unless you consider all LGBT people to be "people of color," which would be really strange.

To be fair, they probably do.

*looks at own Nordic/Celtic features, including light skin, blond hair, blue-green eyes*

...how does that make any sense?

"It's so easy to 'make sense' when you have white cis male privilege."  *sips tea*

Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 29, 2015, 08:44:10 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on September 29, 2015, 08:33:47 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on September 29, 2015, 08:17:28 pm
Quote from: Random Guy on September 29, 2015, 08:09:14 pm
Also, "minorities" and "people of color" mean different things, unless you consider all LGBT people to be "people of color," which would be really strange.

To be fair, they probably do.

*looks at own Nordic/Celtic features, including light skin, blond hair, blue-green eyes*

...how does that make any sense?

Well, as far as I can tell, on Tumblr, the term "person of color" means those who are or have been oppressed by white people at some point in history. Since LGBT people have been and are oppressed by white people, this makes them people of color.

Fun fact, this also makes the Sami, the Roma, and the Irish "people of color". It also makes the Armenians so, but I think in their case, they deserve a break anyway.

Not to mention the Italians.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 29, 2015, 09:12:26 pm
During one Fanfiction.net RP I participated in, there was an antagonist character I had named Gabren who 1) never smiled 2) was quite badass and 3) was rather crazy.

One particular person on there said she "headcanons Gabren as lithromantic aceflux". She proceeded to send me PMs day after day asking me to please please please make Gabbie canon aceflux.

The messages got more weird with time, including a vague statement that "if you make him be romantic with anyone, I'll make my characters kill that character".

Then Gabren got a chief lieutenant named Meriam...who was female. Someone he by all indications was very sweet on despite his stoic demeanor. The person proceeded to go ballistic, claiming I was "killing her headcanons", and that "this destroys Ace/Aro representation in this roleplay forum".

She quit not three days later, after posting a massive call out post that got immediately deleted.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on September 29, 2015, 09:26:17 pm
It's stressful being the center of the Universe, apparently. Poor dear.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 29, 2015, 09:54:28 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2vx3jmc.jpg)

People deserve rape based on what they're wearing?  Where have I heard that before?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on September 29, 2015, 09:56:33 pm
Quote from: Svata on September 29, 2015, 12:11:02 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 29, 2015, 11:22:44 am
Actually, I haven't. So yeah, hugs aren't warranted.


Hugs are always warranted.

*Wraps arms around Svata and Even Then*   - mmmm you two smell pretty come and take a look in uncle cracker's van

what ave you done to deserve hugs
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on September 29, 2015, 10:13:21 pm

[size=78%]nopenopenopenopenopenopenipenopenopenopenopenopenope[/size]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on September 29, 2015, 10:30:32 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 29, 2015, 09:49:29 am
I just wish they'd decide whether or not men are mentally capable of ruling literally everything, or are what amounts to gigantic, ambulatory cocks that seek to penetrate anything warm and/or moist.

Why do you think they are mutually exclusive. I rule everything by penetrating every hole I come across.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 30, 2015, 12:38:13 am
Quote from: davedan on September 29, 2015, 10:30:32 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 29, 2015, 09:49:29 am
I just wish they'd decide whether or not men are mentally capable of ruling literally everything, or are what amounts to gigantic, ambulatory cocks that seek to penetrate anything warm and/or moist.

Why do you think they are mutually exclusive. I rule everything by penetrating every hole I come across.
For your own safety, I advise you stay away from any and all cigar cutters.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on September 30, 2015, 12:42:02 am
You're not the boss of Davedan, Art. Don't listen to him dude. Do what you gotta.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on September 30, 2015, 12:46:25 am
They don't make cigar cutters my size...




cigarette cutters aren't a thing are they?

Also from experience I can tell you wait for the exhaust pipe to cool down...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on September 30, 2015, 10:19:32 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2cel0gn.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 30, 2015, 11:05:48 pm
I would say they sound like they'd be fun at a party, but then I remembered the Worst of Social Justice post calling parties a "disgusting excess of unchecked privilege and ableism."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 01, 2015, 10:21:10 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 30, 2015, 10:19:32 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2cel0gn.jpg)

yeah, fuck off. this is clearly a "stop having fun guys" kind of guy, or a troll. but leave my mosh pit alone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 01, 2015, 10:23:23 am
From what I know, mosh pits are usually confined to a subsection of the concert so you can just... go around them?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on October 01, 2015, 12:35:47 pm
I've been in more than a few mosh pits in my life. This person has no clue what s/he's talking about.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on October 01, 2015, 02:42:58 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 29, 2015, 08:25:53 am
Quote from: Damen
If you thought that was anything but a jab at the extremes of the special snowflakes, I will offer my apologies. I'll try to better explain myself and I will cut out the snark for this post.

I am fully aware that asexually exists and is a real thing, as is aromanticism, but I take issue with, and mock, the people who misuse the label in order to feel special. Focusing on asexuality (because I am most familiar with that); to the best of my understanding, asexuality simply means a lack of desire to have sex. The snowflakes (the target of my mockery) however, believe that you can have the desire for sex and still be asexual. To me, that is on par with never having the desire to have sex with other men yet calling yourself homosexual and that is something I find offensive. And please keep in mind, I am not saying asexual people never have sex, I am aware that they do for a number of reasons.

Yeah, your wording was unclear on whether you were mocking the very concept of asexuality/aromanticism or not, but I'll concede that I didn't think about your post as much as I should've. I guess I owe you an apology too. No hard feelings?

Again, it's not like I can't see where you're coming from either, and appropriating homosexuality like that pisses me off too. And yeah, wanting sex with people for the sake of having sex with people and calling yourself asexual rubs me the wrong way too.

I was using the faux-homosexuality as an example of how I feel about the twats who claim you can have a desire for sex and still be asexual. I don't recall offhand if I ever saw someone say that about homosexuality, but after 480+ pages, I wouldn't be surprised if it popped up before.

And yeah, no hard feelings. My apologies for not getting back sooner. :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on October 01, 2015, 04:35:59 pm
Quote from: Damen on October 01, 2015, 02:42:58 pm
Quote from: Even Then on September 29, 2015, 08:25:53 am
Quote from: Damen
If you thought that was anything but a jab at the extremes of the special snowflakes, I will offer my apologies. I'll try to better explain myself and I will cut out the snark for this post.

I am fully aware that asexually exists and is a real thing, as is aromanticism, but I take issue with, and mock, the people who misuse the label in order to feel special. Focusing on asexuality (because I am most familiar with that); to the best of my understanding, asexuality simply means a lack of desire to have sex. The snowflakes (the target of my mockery) however, believe that you can have the desire for sex and still be asexual. To me, that is on par with never having the desire to have sex with other men yet calling yourself homosexual and that is something I find offensive. And please keep in mind, I am not saying asexual people never have sex, I am aware that they do for a number of reasons.

Yeah, your wording was unclear on whether you were mocking the very concept of asexuality/aromanticism or not, but I'll concede that I didn't think about your post as much as I should've. I guess I owe you an apology too. No hard feelings?

Again, it's not like I can't see where you're coming from either, and appropriating homosexuality like that pisses me off too. And yeah, wanting sex with people for the sake of having sex with people and calling yourself asexual rubs me the wrong way too.

I was using the faux-homosexuality as an example of how I feel about the twats who claim you can have a desire for sex and still be asexual. I don't recall offhand if I ever saw someone say that about homosexuality, but after 480+ pages, I wouldn't be surprised if it popped up before.

And yeah, no hard feelings. My apologies for not getting back sooner. :)

...Do these people not understand that you can choose to have sex without being horny?  Because some ace folks with non-ace partners will occasionally have sex with them, not because they're hot for their partner (they're not "hot for" anybody), but because they know it will make their partner happy and they want to make them happy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on October 01, 2015, 06:05:30 pm
I'm not sure they ever really think of it in anything but the most superficial terms. Hell, I just know the periphery of asexuality and still know that asexual people will occasionally have sex despite having no desire for it. As I said before; to my understanding, asexuality is determined by a lack of desire for sex/lack of a sex drive. However, a lot of these people think you can want to fuck everything in sight and have an uncontrollable urge to get off ten times a day and yet still call yourself asexual through some form of mental gymnastics that only they know. Frankly, I think it's stupid and belittles/marginalizes actual asexual people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 02, 2015, 04:56:12 am
Since we're on this topic again apparently, I'm gonna say as someone who physically and viscerally abhors the thought of having sex with someone else (so yeah, ace cred on point) that someone who masturbates and still doesn't want to have sex with anyone is still asexual because they don't want to have sex with anyone.

Anyway, have a TERF (trans exclusionary radical feminist) complaining about cis people being called cis.

Quote from: tumblr user stopsayingterf
I thought it was oppressive to force people to define themselves in terms of an identity they reject?

Oh yeah, I forgot. That only oppressive if you’ve got a penis. Women are whatever men tell us we are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 02, 2015, 09:59:25 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 30, 2015, 10:19:32 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2cel0gn.jpg)

Mosh pits for wheelchair bound people would be awesome, would look like a Demolition Derby.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 02, 2015, 10:05:54 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on October 02, 2015, 09:59:25 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on September 30, 2015, 10:19:32 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/2cel0gn.jpg)

Mosh pits for wheelchair bound people would be awesome, would look like a Demolition Derby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RumpRDKATas

handi-rugby combined with a mosh pit. that what you were thinking about?

also,

(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ajnKo0q_460s.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 02, 2015, 10:08:27 am
I think that might just be one of Twitter's mechanisms for filtering out frivolous complaints.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 02, 2015, 11:37:37 am
It would work better if "someone disagreed with me and that is why I am complaining" was a separate ticker from "someone was offensive" which can be a legitimate complaint. Unless "offensive" is Tumblr-offensive. In that case it could be either way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 02, 2015, 11:44:31 am
Oh please.  Lordkat was thrown off twitter for posting pictures of bread at some moron who can't seem to find the block button.

Ironbite-Twitter's reporting policies are a joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 02, 2015, 01:45:14 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 02, 2015, 11:44:31 am
Oh please.  Lordkat was thrown off twitter for posting pictures of bread at some moron who can't seem to find the block button.

Ironbite-Twitter's reporting policies are a joke.

Is there an alternative to Twitter?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on October 02, 2015, 01:51:09 pm
Texting? A phone call? Real life?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on October 02, 2015, 01:54:07 pm
Quote from: Damen on October 02, 2015, 01:51:09 pm
Texting? A phone call? Real life?


The fuck are those?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 02, 2015, 05:16:58 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 02, 2015, 01:45:14 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 02, 2015, 11:44:31 am
Oh please.  Lordkat was thrown off twitter for posting pictures of bread at some moron who can't seem to find the block button.

Ironbite-Twitter's reporting policies are a joke.

Is there an alternative to Twitter?

Sure. You can always use Plurk.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 02, 2015, 06:58:03 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/1zz2bk1.jpg)

Where's Inigo Montoya when you need him?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 02, 2015, 08:49:59 pm
WORDS MEAN THINGS.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 02, 2015, 10:02:25 pm
My cat keeps leaving hairballs on the carpet. Clearly this is a case of rampant misogyny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 02, 2015, 10:20:46 pm
The dog an old lady walks, big ol' Caucasian Ovcharka thing, jumped on me and licked my face.

Clearly misogyny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on October 02, 2015, 10:31:24 pm
Fucking victim blaming alive and well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 03, 2015, 04:48:50 pm
CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on October 03, 2015, 04:56:51 pm
I checked it. It needs another ten minutes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 03, 2015, 05:06:38 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/sbltvc.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 03, 2015, 09:24:17 pm
That post is ableist against non-English speakers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 03, 2015, 10:18:46 pm
"aware is ableist against comatose and brain-dead".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 03, 2015, 10:20:32 pm
"Marginalize" is horribly bigoted against non-Americans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 03, 2015, 10:23:54 pm
Now they're going after Emma Watson.

https://archive.is/wGeji (https://archive.is/wGeji)

For those who can't read the article: Emma Watson says some men are quite good at feminism and some female directors were far worse than the claims made about male ones.  Radflakes went nuts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 03, 2015, 10:24:29 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 03, 2015, 10:20:32 pm
"Marginalize" is horribly bigoted against non-Americans.

and against marginalized folks. (ie, neurodivergents). and against queers.and against anything, really.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 04, 2015, 12:22:24 am
Radflakes: GENDER TRAITOR!

Neo-Nazi: RACE TRAITOR!

Amazing how these things align.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 04, 2015, 12:35:37 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 03, 2015, 10:23:54 pm
Now they're going after Emma Watson.

https://archive.is/wGeji (https://archive.is/wGeji)

For those who can't read the article: Emma Watson says some men are quite good at feminism and some female directors were far worse than the claims made about male ones.  Radflakes went nuts.
how one earth would they get offended over that?


Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 04, 2015, 12:53:27 am
Quote from: I am lizard on October 04, 2015, 12:35:37 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 03, 2015, 10:23:54 pm
Now they're going after Emma Watson.

https://archive.is/wGeji (https://archive.is/wGeji)

For those who can't read the article: Emma Watson says some men are quite good at feminism and some female directors were far worse than the claims made about male ones.  Radflakes went nuts.
how one earth would they get offended over that?

Oh, my sweet summer child...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 04, 2015, 09:30:22 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/291disg.jpg)

I guess their love for minorities only extends so far.

Saving this, so I can show it to those who say radflakes are just good-natured but misguided people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 04, 2015, 10:23:55 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 04, 2015, 09:30:22 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/291disg.jpg)

I guess their love for minorities only extends so far.

Saving this, so I can show it to those who say radflakes are just good-natured but misguided people.
What? Rad flakes aren't even an actual group, it's just a label we created for left wing people we don't like.

Edit: but yes, that was a dumb reply to the anon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 04, 2015, 10:27:45 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 04, 2015, 10:23:55 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 04, 2015, 09:30:22 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/291disg.jpg)

I guess their love for minorities only extends so far.

Saving this, so I can show it to those who say radflakes are just good-natured but misguided people.
What? Rad flakes aren't even an actual group, it's just a label we created for left wing people we don't like.
I thought it specifically refers to internet social justice advocates that we don't like. There's a whole spectrum of leftists (communists, for example), that most here wouldn't like yet wouldn't really fit the label.

Though of course, I don't really use "radflake" myself so I could be wrong. I'm more of a "Tumblrina" or "social justice warrior" kind of guy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 04, 2015, 10:32:30 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 04, 2015, 10:27:45 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 04, 2015, 10:23:55 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 04, 2015, 09:30:22 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/291disg.jpg)

I guess their love for minorities only extends so far.

Saving this, so I can show it to those who say radflakes are just good-natured but misguided people.
What? Rad flakes aren't even an actual group, it's just a label we created for left wing people we don't like.
I thought it specifically refers to internet social justice advocates that we don't like. There's a whole spectrum of leftists (communists, for example), that most here wouldn't like yet wouldn't really fit the label.

Though of course, I don't really use "radflake" myself so I could be wrong. I'm more of a "Tumblrina" or "social justice warrior" kind of guy.

I think Lizard might've been being sarcastic.  Protip: use the blue text next time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 05, 2015, 08:04:00 pm
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/rsamgx.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 05, 2015, 08:44:59 pm
that's... pretty misogynistic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on October 05, 2015, 10:56:02 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 05, 2015, 08:04:00 pm
-snip-

Fuck you, you God damn abuse apologist.

This, people, is why I have such a huge fucking problem with the "x+power" excuse. It is now being used to enable and write off anything, no matter how horrific it is. And yes, it is an excuse now. Its being used to excuse atrocities. Recall if you will all the posts saying men can't be raped by a woman, even when the male in question was an eight year old child because of the "+power" bullshit. What started out as a way to differentiate between your day to day racism, sexism and homophobia and the kind you experience in the workplace and the like has been bastardized and twisted into a shambling corpse of its former self by these twats who don't want to accept that they and their fellow women, minorities or special snowflakes can be viscous fucking monsters just like everyone else.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on October 05, 2015, 11:37:46 pm
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 06, 2015, 12:34:21 am
Isn't y'all a southern thing to say in general?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 06, 2015, 12:37:45 am
Quote from: I am lizard on October 06, 2015, 12:34:21 am
Isn't y'all a southern thing to say in general?

Eeeyup.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 06, 2015, 09:00:48 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on October 06, 2015, 12:37:45 am
Quote from: I am lizard on October 06, 2015, 12:34:21 am
Isn't y'all a southern thing to say in general?

Eeeyup.

y'all is said in virginia too. also, "aave"? like "slave" is a trigger now?

Quote from: Damen on October 05, 2015, 10:56:02 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 05, 2015, 08:04:00 pm
-snip-

Fuck you, you God damn abuse apologist.

This, people, is why I have such a huge fucking problem with the "x+power" excuse. It is now being used to enable and write off anything, no matter how horrific it is. And yes, it is an excuse now. Its being used to excuse atrocities. Recall if you will all the posts saying men can't be raped by a woman, even when the male in question was an eight year old child because of the "+power" bullshit. What started out as a way to differentiate between your day to day racism, sexism and homophobia and the kind you experience in the workplace and the like has been bastardized and twisted into a shambling corpse of its former self by these twats who don't want to accept that they and their fellow women, minorities or special snowflakes can be viscous fucking monsters just like everyone else.

qft.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Barbarella on October 06, 2015, 02:57:04 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 06, 2015, 09:00:48 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on October 06, 2015, 12:37:45 am
Quote from: I am lizard on October 06, 2015, 12:34:21 am
Isn't y'all a southern thing to say in general?

Eeeyup.

y'all is said in virginia too. also, "aave"? like "slave" is a trigger now?

Quote from: Damen on October 05, 2015, 10:56:02 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 05, 2015, 08:04:00 pm
-snip-

Fuck you, you God damn abuse apologist.

This, people, is why I have such a huge fucking problem with the "x+power" excuse. It is now being used to enable and write off anything, no matter how horrific it is. And yes, it is an excuse now. Its being used to excuse atrocities. Recall if you will all the posts saying men can't be raped by a woman, even when the male in question was an eight year old child because of the "+power" bullshit. What started out as a way to differentiate between your day to day racism, sexism and homophobia and the kind you experience in the workplace and the like has been bastardized and twisted into a shambling corpse of its former self by these twats who don't want to accept that they and their fellow women, minorities or special snowflakes can be viscous fucking monsters just like everyone else.

qft.


People like that are either deranged S.J.Z* or regressive bigoted Channers & Hate Group members with sham accounts pulling a "ratfuck" on Progressives, baiting them into agreeing with the sham account then say to everyone else, "See? They're ALL crazy!".

(*Social Justice Zealot, a term & just created that I feel is better than the meaningless and subverted-by-wingnuts Social Justice Warrior. Zealot implies someone whose gone too far and has a more negative connotation).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on October 06, 2015, 04:31:10 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 06, 2015, 09:00:48 am
y'all is said in virginia too. also, "aave"? like "slave" is a trigger now?


AAVE = African American Vernacular English.  Also known as Ebonics.

They're wrong, of course.  "Y'all" is common to most Southerners, and has been for long enough that I'm pretty sure it wasn't appropriated from AAVE at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 06, 2015, 07:11:59 pm
I think us Southern folk have been saying "y'all" since the day the colonies were created.

Ironbite-and yes I do say that on occasion in meat space even though I'm about as North as you can get.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on October 06, 2015, 07:57:00 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 06, 2015, 07:11:59 pm
I think us Southern folk have been saying "y'all" since the day the colonies were created.

Ironbite-and yes I do say that on occasion in meat space even though I'm about as North as you can get.

I say it on occasion and I'm not even in the same country. It's a good one-syllable second-person plural pronoun.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 07, 2015, 12:30:11 am
I wish to point out that since "aave" is a Finnish word (ghost) using it is appropriating Finnish culture and therefore bad-wrong-cis-opressive. And don't try to defend yourself by saying that, since we only have a limited number of sounds that humans can make and limited amount of mixing up letters, this is just a coincidence. ...Because that would be common sense and as we SJWs lack common sense, using it in an debate against us is ableist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 07, 2015, 10:53:24 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/vfuo3a.jpg)

...This explains so much.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Barbarella on October 07, 2015, 11:04:43 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 07, 2015, 10:53:24 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/vfuo3a.jpg)

...This explains so much.

Oh yeah! :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 07, 2015, 11:16:59 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 07, 2015, 10:53:24 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/vfuo3a.jpg)

...This explains so much.

Shit, I just do it reflexively, at this point.  People tend to take you more seriously when you at least TRY to use proper grammar, spelling, and syntax.  You end up sounding more intelligent, which is kinda important when it comes to a debate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 07, 2015, 11:18:59 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on October 07, 2015, 11:16:59 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 07, 2015, 10:53:24 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/vfuo3a.jpg)

...This explains so much.

Shit, I just do it reflexively, at this point.  People tend to take you more seriously when you at least TRY to use proper grammar, spelling, and syntax.  You end up sounding more intelligent, which is kinda important when it comes to a debate.
thAts ablust, Check ur privledge. shitlourd?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 07, 2015, 09:51:04 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 07, 2015, 10:53:24 am
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/vfuo3a.jpg)

...This explains so much.

If you hang out on Tumblr enough you start to notice there's a lot of spellings/grammar/punctuation conventions used to convey tone (it happens everywhere online, Tumblr just likes to talk about it a lot for some reason).

(I'm doing it right now)

In that convention, short, flippant posts look wrong with full capitalization and spelling. Not saying it's good or bad, just, y'know, language is what it is. It's basically Tumblr equivalent of making fun of people for having a different accent.

seriously why do you think I do things like adding random y'knows to text and appending posts with 6pt commentary. ~conveying tone through text~
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 08, 2015, 01:32:41 am
(http://i.imgur.com/uioURhY.png)

Why the fuck are you in college if you aren't going to listen to anything your professors say? I mean obviously there are shitheads in academia because there are shitheads everywhere, but if you have zero intention of listening to your professors' ""facts"" or of respecting their  ""intellectual" authority on anything" then why are you even there? If you already feel/know that you're 100% right 100% of the time just skip higher ed and get some job experience.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 08, 2015, 02:06:49 am
Because these people need to feel superior to everyone around them for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 08, 2015, 08:31:20 am
Quote from: Ghoti on October 08, 2015, 01:32:41 am
(http://i.imgur.com/uioURhY.png)
Somebody's gonna be one righteous, intellectual giant of a barista when they're 38.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 08, 2015, 09:29:52 am
Honestly, I think my calculus professor doesn't know how to really do derivatives.  My gut tells me I have to subtract 2 from everything, and my gut cannot be wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 08, 2015, 11:58:33 am
Quote from: Ghoti on October 08, 2015, 01:32:41 am
(http://i.imgur.com/uioURhY.png)

Why the fuck are you in college if you aren't going to listen to anything your professors say? I mean obviously there are shitheads in academia because there are shitheads everywhere, but if you have zero intention of listening to your professors' ""facts"" or of respecting their  ""intellectual" authority on anything" then why are you even there? If you already feel/know that you're 100% right 100% of the time just skip higher ed and get some job experience.

...questioning people is not the same as assuming they are know nothing?

You should question the things you are taught at uni (preferably not during the lecture itself though! if it's more than a short simple question it's best to wait until class is over/office hours, otherwise you will piss off your classmates). Critical thinking and all that, it's one of the things you're meant to get better at through higher education.

If someone knows a lot about calculus but also thinks gay people shouldn't marry, it's OK to learn calculus from them and then think they are speaking out of their ass on gay marriage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 08, 2015, 01:04:20 pm
You probably should respect their intellectual authority on some things, though. Like, say, the thing they're teaching?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
Guess who the outrage brigade is targeting this time?

If you guessed Meryl Streep, you're right!

https://archive.is/xyCHi (https://archive.is/xyCHi)

Quote from: Joanna Rothkopf
In early September, Streep sent a package to each member of Congress urging him or her to support the Equal Rights Amendment, which would make it illegal to discriminate against women. She whooped when Patricia Arquette spoke about equal pay at the Oscars ... But for some reason she doesn’t feel comfortable calling herself a feminist.

You.  You fanatics are the "some reason".  Fact is, the main reason people don't want to call themselves feminists is because they don't want to be associated with people like this:

(http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/nvYyGTmcP80/hqdefault.jpg)

If you want more people to call themselves "feminists," then condemn these extremists for what they are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 08, 2015, 01:24:18 pm
......is that supposed to be someone we know or....?

Ironbite-OH WAIT I KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 08, 2015, 01:36:20 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on October 08, 2015, 01:04:20 pm
You probably should respect their intellectual authority on some things, though. Like, say, the thing they're teaching?

i dunno, my medieval techniques teacher taught us on the first day to take everything he said with a grain of salt and to try and disprove him on occasion. if we managed to catch him cold we'd get respect for following (also, showing we studied) and he'd be kept sharp on his subject. it was his way of dodging complacency, so it was mutually beneficial. happened three times during the semester. the rest of the time he obliterated smartasses, but i still caught him cold once. (don't ask how many times i got my ass handed to me.)

as of this year, he's still practicing this technique, so i heard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on October 08, 2015, 01:41:05 pm
Or maybe she is a humanist.

She's got a good number of years under her belt watching the world evolve and hasn't exactly been kicked in the teeth for the crime of having a uterus so the idea that she is more of an egalitarian really isn't that far fetched.


Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Murdin on October 08, 2015, 04:19:19 pm
*yawn* Once again, I am apparently supposed to get outraged over the fact that a bunch of nobodies are getting outraged (more like slightly miffed, really) over something stupid. Some people really want to turn this topic into "dem dirty libruls being WRONG on the internet"... well, more than it already is.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
You.  You fanatics are the "some reason". 

A passive-aggressive remark about an actress refusing to explicitly associate with her in-group? How could she! FANATICS! FANATICS I SAY!

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
Fact is, the main reason people don't want to call themselves feminists is because they don't want to be associated with people like this:

(http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/nvYyGTmcP80/hqdefault.jpg)

I had to search for this person we're all evidently supposed to know already, and suffice to say, I am not surprised. She's some obscure SJW jackass who apparently lost her cool while "debating" a bunch of MRA trolls and crossed the line on camera. As a result, she got viciously harassed by UP's friends bad people with no link whatsoever with the circles he frequents. As usual, we're apparently supposed to 1) give a fuck, 2) vaguely recognize that harassment is wrong but not care too much about it, and 3) collectively tut-tut at her.

Edit: just in case, "UP's friends" is intended to be every bit as much of an exaggeration as "bad people with no link etc.". No offense intended... on that particular point.

I mean, that woman was quite clearly defending rape paranoia and male suicide as intellectual positions, and anyone who doesn't go out of their way to lapidate her as the epitome of Everything That Is Wrong With Feminism is evidently a misandrist. Stay classy, UP.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
If you want more people to call themselves "feminists," then condemn these extremists for what they are.

And you should keep up the good work on your self-awareness, as well.


Since I'm... probably not going to post again in the next month or so, here's one last thing: anyone who reads this response and comes to the conclusion that I am "siding" with anyone, has my deepest pity.


Quote from: Canadian Mojo on October 08, 2015, 01:41:05 pm
Or maybe she is a humanist.

She's got a good number of years under her belt watching the world evolve and hasn't exactly been kicked in the teeth for the crime of having a uterus so the idea that she is more of an egalitarian really isn't that far fetched.

This doesn't exactly fit with what she's saying about equal pay and decision-making in the film industry, though. One can hope she's one of those people who DOESN'T hold to the "egalitarian" label as an excuse to is-ought-fallacy away any actual example of gender inequality (one way or the other) that she personally finds too inconvenient to admit. *wink wink nudge nudge*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 08, 2015, 05:08:07 pm
Someone actually acknowledges that a large chunk of "humanists"
and "egalitarians" sweep actual inequalities under the rug by claiming everyone's already socially equal?

...where have you been all my life?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 05:13:26 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 08, 2015, 05:08:07 pm
Someone actually acknowledges that a large chunk of "humanists" sweep actual inequalities under the rug by claiming everyone's already socially equal?

...where have you been all my life?

On the other hand, there are all kinds of identity politics types who like to exaggerate their own oppression, while downplaying that of other groups (as if there's only so much oppression to go around).  Feminists, MRAs, religious groups, ethnic nationalists, etc.  All of them have some of these assholes.

What's needed is to look at things in an objective manner, examine all the evidence, and find the truth.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 08, 2015, 06:37:53 pm
That was a nice sidestep to avoid the absolute arse deliverance that Murdin just made of you UP.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 08, 2015, 06:56:59 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 06:37:53 pm
That was a nice sidestep to avoid the absolute arse deliverance that Murdin just made of you UP.

He never addresses such things. Not when he could try to deliver another attempted call out of "identity politics."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 08, 2015, 07:02:09 pm
And you all fall for it every single fucking time.

Ironbite-it's adorable at this point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 08, 2015, 07:16:26 pm
Well he does that in this thread because he likes this thread. In other threads where it gets too hard he simply goes silent and drops out of the thread.

But to the point of being a feminist, I know when I think of Feminism I don't think of suffragettes, Virginia Woolf, Steinem, Greer, equal pay or domestic violence, I think of a shrill red haired woman on the internet...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 07:33:05 pm
I chose Big Red not because she's particularly important, but because she's distinctive-looking and obnoxious.  Moreover, she was involved in a particular protest against an MRA meeting.  Normally, I wouldn't even mention that, but at this particular protest, somebody pulled the fire alarm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWgslugtDow

Now, I'm not saying that she was the one who pulled it.  But her reaction to the alarm being sounded, and the fact that she chose to associate with these people, speaks volumes about her.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xnFZexzaLfY/UarPx9xWjnI/AAAAAAAAAU8/GVGqezlDov8/s1600/Tyrion+Lannister.png)

Did I mention she's a hypocrite too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVuK44kWgxk

Of course, not all feminists are like her.  I'd actually say that only a minority of feminists are like her. 

By the way, Dave, I'm talking about feminism in the here and now.  Otherwise, I'd have used a picture of Valerie Solanas or Andrea Dworkin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 08, 2015, 08:20:27 pm
You aren't talking about feminism though, you are talking about a particular woman. Not even one who is considered to be a leader of the movement. You are somehow linking her with both Meryl Streep and the writer of the Guardian Article.

How do you draw the link. Have Meryl Streep or the Guardian writer ever considered her? As for the outrage industry, you sound just as outraged as them if not more so.

Moreover you can be a feminist and a humanist. Finally once again why do we care what actors think. They are professional parrots. They are paid to say things in a way which is believable but they are not their ideas.

Talking about feminism in the here and now:

I am a feminist.
I believe that women should have the same voting rights as men.
I believe that women should have the same employment opportunities as men.
I believe that women should be paid the same amount for the same work as men.
I believe that women should have the same status before the law as men.
I believe that like men, women are people.

If you believe those same things you also are a feminist.

Also I see you are still shying away from responding to Murdin's spectacular spanking of your position.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 09:12:39 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 08:20:27 pm
You aren't talking about feminism though, you are talking about a particular woman. Not even one who is considered to be a leader of the movement. You are somehow linking her with both Meryl Streep and the writer of the Guardian Article.

No, I'm not.  I'm saying she's part of feminism's PR problem.

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 08:20:27 pm
How do you draw the link. Have Meryl Streep or the Guardian writer ever considered her? As for the outrage industry, you sound just as outraged as them if not more so.

Yeah, I got a little emotional there.

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 08:20:27 pm
Moreover you can be a feminist and a humanist. Finally once again why do we care what actors think. They are professional parrots. They are paid to say things in a way which is believable but they are not their ideas.

Well, these people care.  I personally don't care so much about her personal positions (so long as they're not hateful or insane), I was merely responding to them.

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 08:20:27 pm
Talking about feminism in the here and now:

I am a feminist.
I believe that women should have the same voting rights as men.
I believe that women should have the same employment opportunities as men.
I believe that women should be paid the same amount for the same work as men.
I believe that women should have the same status before the law as men.
I believe that like men, women are people.

If you believe those same things you also are a feminist.

Yes, I am a feminist, but not for the reasons you claim.  I think there are areas where women are discriminated against, and that these inequalities should be corrected.  But does that make me a feminist?  I don't think so.  What makes me a feminist is my belief in female advancement, and the fact that I call myself one.  In my opinion, these are the two things necessary for somebody to be a feminist.  There are certain feminists who claim that feminism is not about equality, but about female superiority.  By your definition, these people aren't "feminists."

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 08:20:27 pm
Also I see you are still shying away from responding to Murdin's spectacular spanking of your position.

No, I'm not.  I addressed his positions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 08, 2015, 10:03:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 09:12:39 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 08:20:27 pm

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 08:20:27 pm
Also I see you are still shying away from responding to Murdin's spectacular spanking of your position.

No, I'm not.  I addressed his positions.

Really? where?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 10:10:53 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 10:03:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 09:12:39 pm

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 08:20:27 pm
Also I see you are still shying away from responding to Murdin's spectacular spanking of your position.

No, I'm not.  I addressed his positions.

Really? where?

When I talked about why I chose a picture of Big Red.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 08, 2015, 10:28:27 pm
Well that is pretty shit even by your standards mate.

It didn't address Murdin's point. It doesn't address the point as to why Meryl Streep or the Guardian writer should know or give a fuck about her. She's hardly the face of feminism.

Also I watched that video and I think there is a big difference between turning up at a Gay Pride parade and telling them they are going to hell and turning up to a rally and presenting the opposing view.  - EDIT: The former is like turning up to a church and pissing in the communion wine, the latter is not.

I'm still pondering why I should give a fuck about this person - can you refer me to any of her published works?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 10:35:35 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 10:28:27 pm
Well that is pretty shit even by your standards mate.

It didn't address Murdin's point. It doesn't address the point as to why Meryl Streep or the Guardian writer should know or give a fuck about her. She's hardly the face of feminism.

Also I watched that video and I think there is a big difference between turning up at a Gay Pride parade and telling them they are going to hell and turning up to a rally and presenting the opposing view.  - EDIT: The former is like turning up to a church and pissing in the communion wine, the latter is not.

I'm still pondering why I should give a fuck about this person - can you refer me to any of her published works?

You probably shouldn't, I just used her as an example.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 08, 2015, 10:44:54 pm
If we shouldn't care about her than how can she possibly be the example that  you wanted to make? Why try to draw some tenuous link between her and Meryl Streep, on one occasion, not immediately affirming that she's a feminist.

There is as much relevance as trying to draw a link between that red haired woman and Beyonce Knowles declaring that she's a feminist.

By the way - each of the things I mentioned are central to feminism. Is there one of them you don't agree with?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 10:48:43 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 10:44:54 pm
If we shouldn't care about her than how can she possibly be the example that  you wanted to make? Why try to draw some tenuous link between her and Meryl Streep, on one occasion, not immediately affirming that she's a feminist.

There is as much relevance as trying to draw a link between that red haired woman and Beyonce Knowles declaring that she's a feminist.

By the way - each of the things I mentioned are central to feminism. Is there one of them you don't agree with?

What I'm saying is that people like her are a major reason why so many are reluctant to call themselves feminists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 08, 2015, 10:52:37 pm
Given how incredibly inconsequential she is to feminism what is the basis for your saying that?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 11:03:40 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 10:52:37 pm
Given how incredibly inconsequential she is to feminism what is the basis for your saying that?

Because she's not alone.  You have other, more prominent and influential people like Rebecca Watson, Julie Bindel, Bahar Mustafa, Jessica Valenti, and a number of others.  I only chose her because of her distinctive appearance and obnoxiousness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:09:26 pm
How are other feminists meant to be doing anything about this. Your only requirement is that they self ascribe as feminists and want to advance women. By your standard if the most misogynistic MRA self ascribed as a feminists (so long as he thought he was advancing women - which he would think as he thinks women were better off before they had all the hardships like working and voting thrust upon them) they would be a feminist.

None of the people you mentioned I would consider Prominent Feminist Thinkers and activists.

Which comes the question of would more people be happy to describe themselves as Christians if it weren't for the Westboro Baptist Church, the KKK and the Quakers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 11:18:25 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:09:26 pm
How are other feminists meant to be doing anything about this. Your only requirement is that they self ascribe as feminists and want to advance women. By your standard if the most misogynistic MRA self ascribed as a feminists (so long as he thought he was advancing women - which he would think as he thinks women were better off before they had all the hardships like working and voting thrust upon them) they would be a feminist.

Simple: denounce and discredit them.  I know feminism's not an organized body, so you can't throw somebody out, but you can make it clear that they don't represent you, and that their arguments are objectively wrong.

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:09:26 pm
None of the people you mentioned I would consider Prominent Feminist Thinkers and activists.

You don't, but other people have different opinions.

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:09:26 pm
Which comes the question of would more people be happy to describe themselves as Christians if it weren't for the Westboro Baptist Church, the KKK and the Quakers.

...What do you have against the Quakers?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
I don't do well with the quote things so I'll just break it down:

1. Why should they? It's not their job description to go and denounce every other person who has a different idea of feminism. Also did you ever think that they might have better things to do with their time (such as actually opposing existing inequality) rather than spending all their time denouncing people who share the same self-identification who they disagree with? I am prepared to trust that they manage their time well.

2. Who are these people who have different opinions? Are they anybody I should give a fuck about or are they youtube commentators? Where are the academic dissertations on Rebecca Watson and her adverse impact on Feminism?

3. Nice way to avoid the point. I included the quakers, partly as a joke but also partly because they tend to act in a way that most Christians don't (you know in emulation of Jesus as recorded in the Gospels)

Finally why do you care so much about PR. You seem to be obsessed with people giving bad PR to groups like feminists and trans people. One of the things I've noticed is when doing it you always refer to the people whose PR you are concerned about (Feminists/ Trans) as 'them' - although later you will claim either to be part of the group or an ally of it. 

Also please let me know which of the points I consider central to feminism you disagree with? Is it that women are people?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 09:10:52 am
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
I don't do well with the quote things so I'll just break it down:

1. Why should they? It's not their job description to go and denounce every other person who has a different idea of feminism. Also did you ever think that they might have better things to do with their time (such as actually opposing existing inequality) rather than spending all their time denouncing people who share the same self-identification who they disagree with? I am prepared to trust that they manage their time well.

It doesn't take long to release a statement saying "these people don't represent us."

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
2. Who are these people who have different opinions? Are they anybody I should give a fuck about or are they youtube commentators? Where are the academic dissertations on Rebecca Watson and her adverse impact on Feminism?

Atheism+, for one.  I may not like PZ Meyers, but I'm not going to deny his influence.

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
3. Nice way to avoid the point. I included the quakers, partly as a joke but also partly because they tend to act in a way that most Christians don't (you know in emulation of Jesus as recorded in the Gospels)

I'm sorry, but how do Quakers not act in emulation of Jesus?

Anyway, other than them, you're talking about groups with very little influence or popularity.  Nobody likes the WBC, and the Klan hasn't been a serious threat since the 1970s.  If you'd brought up Pat Robertson or the Crouch family, that would've been a decent comparison.

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
Finally why do you care so much about PR. You seem to be obsessed with people giving bad PR to groups like feminists and trans people. One of the things I've noticed is when doing it you always refer to the people whose PR you are concerned about (Feminists/ Trans) as 'them' - although later you will claim either to be part of the group or an ally of it. 

Because, like it or not, PR is important.  And when I say "them," I'm referring to the leadership and/or prominent members.

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
Also please let me know which of the points I consider central to feminism you disagree with? Is it that women are people?

None of them.  What I disagree with are some modern feminist talking points, such as prominence of "rape culture," the idea that misogyny in the third world has impact on the first world, or the idea that the media should change for the benefit of the pearl-clutchers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 09, 2015, 09:15:57 am
I don't think anyone has ever seriously claimed that misogyny in the "third world" directly affects misogyny in the "first world"? I mean, sure, places of the world can communicate with each other, but still.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 09:17:34 am
Quote from: Even Then on October 09, 2015, 09:15:57 am
I don't think anyone has ever seriously claimed that misogyny in the "third world" directly affects misogyny in the "first world"? I mean, sure, places of the world can communicate with each other, but still.

Actually, what I meant to say is that some feminists use misogyny in the third world to say why we need feminism in the first world, thus implying that it has an impact.  My bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 09, 2015, 09:20:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 09:17:34 am
Quote from: Even Then on October 09, 2015, 09:15:57 am
I don't think anyone has ever seriously claimed that misogyny in the "third world" directly affects misogyny in the "first world"? I mean, sure, places of the world can communicate with each other, but still.

Actually, what I meant to say is that some feminists use misogyny in the third world to say why we need feminism in the first world, thus implying that it has an impact.  My bad.

I got the impression that they're comparing places with and without strong feminist movements. It's basically saying "we need feminism because without it, this is what happens".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 09:29:01 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 09, 2015, 09:20:04 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 09:17:34 am
Quote from: Even Then on October 09, 2015, 09:15:57 am
I don't think anyone has ever seriously claimed that misogyny in the "third world" directly affects misogyny in the "first world"? I mean, sure, places of the world can communicate with each other, but still.

Actually, what I meant to say is that some feminists use misogyny in the third world to say why we need feminism in the first world, thus implying that it has an impact.  My bad.

I got the impression that they're comparing places with and without strong feminist movements. It's basically saying "we need feminism because without it, this is what happens".

Which is still flawed rhetoric.  Japan's never had a strong feminist movement, and while it does have some legitimate problems with sexism, it's nowhere near as bad as in, say Sudan.

Speaking of which, maybe more feminists should use Japan as an example.  It might let them come off as less paranoid and fanatical.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 09, 2015, 09:38:16 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 09:29:01 am
Which is still flawed rhetoric.  Japan's never had a strong feminist movement, and while it does have some legitimate problems with sexism, it's nowhere near as bad as in, say Sudan.

Speaking of which, maybe more feminists should use Japan as an example.  It might let them come off as less paranoid and fanatical.
Maybe not directly, but their culture nowadays is very heavily influenced by western culture, American in particular, which itself has (or possibly had) a strong feminist influence. Not quite the same as having their own substantial feminism movement, as you pointed out, but it's likely the reason they're not even more backwards on that front.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 09, 2015, 09:55:51 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 09, 2015, 09:38:16 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 09:29:01 am
Which is still flawed rhetoric.  Japan's never had a strong feminist movement, and while it does have some legitimate problems with sexism, it's nowhere near as bad as in, say Sudan.

Speaking of which, maybe more feminists should use Japan as an example.  It might let them come off as less paranoid and fanatical.
Maybe not directly, but their culture nowadays is very heavily influenced by western culture, American in particular, which itself has (or possibly had) a strong feminist influence. Not quite the same as having their own substantial feminism movement, as you pointed out, but it's likely the reason they're not even more backwards on that front.

japan's my go-to example for culture shock. tea-time, the way they sit (explicitely uncomfortable so as to learn humility and stoicism), workaholic culture, ritual suicide, censored wangs and tentacle rape, sexuality in general, and of course, the crazy amounts of xenophobia written off as "those wacky japanese"...

everything about japan is weird, but it makes sense in context. although i really don't get the insistence on school uniforms when they get twisted by loopholes, but hey. whatever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 09, 2015, 10:08:22 am
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Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm

3. Nice way to avoid the point. I included the quakers, partly as a joke but also partly because they tend to act in a way that most Christians don't (you know in emulation of Jesus as recorded in the Gospels)



I'm sorry, but how do Quakers not act in emulation of Jesus?

Davedan meant that Quakers in fact do act like Christians as depicted in the gospels, unlike a lot of modern day, self-described Christians. And the Quakers are disliked by a lot of self-described Christians because of it, I might add. They are seen as too liberal by many, and weird and "anarchic" because they don't have ordained pastors.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on October 09, 2015, 10:10:47 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 09:10:52 am
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
3. Nice way to avoid the point. I included the quakers, partly as a joke but also partly because they tend to act in a way that most Christians don't (you know in emulation of Jesus as recorded in the Gospels)

I'm sorry, but how do Quakers not act in emulation of Jesus?

Pretty sure he was saying that they do, unlike most other groups.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 09, 2015, 10:14:10 am
As if I have any right to an opinion on it, nevertheless, I consider Quakers one of the few sects that actually follow Christian NT tenets.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 10:18:08 am
Quote from: mellenORL on October 09, 2015, 10:08:22 am
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Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm

3. Nice way to avoid the point. I included the quakers, partly as a joke but also partly because they tend to act in a way that most Christians don't (you know in emulation of Jesus as recorded in the Gospels)



I'm sorry, but how do Quakers not act in emulation of Jesus?

Davedan meant that Quakers in fact do act like Christians as depicted in the gospels, unlike a lot of modern day, self-described Christians. And the Quakers are disliked by a lot of self-described Christians because of it, I might add. They are seen as too liberal by many, and weird and "anarchic" because they don't have ordained pastors.

Okay, reading comprehension fail on my part.  I'm sorry.

By the way, I think this ought to be spun off into its own discussion.

Back on topic:

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/34quuq1.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 09, 2015, 12:50:55 pm
I wish I could control the erectness of my penis at will. That'd be awesome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 09, 2015, 01:34:38 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 10:18:08 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/34quuq1.jpg)

somebody doesn't know about the fear-boner, or the random boner, or the awkward boner, or priapism, or tachycardia (yes, that can trigger it), or high blood pressure, or erectile dysfunction...

really, anybody who gets average sex-ed knows about this. besides, the wang is about as unpredictable as a d20. there's a reason viagra is so commonly prescribed.

tl;dr: the person in red clearly doesn't understand how it works.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 09, 2015, 02:30:17 pm
Don't forget forcing someone to take Viagra. Like that one guy who got tied to a chair and raped repeatedly over a few days.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 09, 2015, 03:20:50 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 09, 2015, 01:34:38 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 10:18:08 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/34quuq1.jpg)

somebody doesn't know about the fear-boner, or the random boner, or the awkward boner, or priapism, or tachycardia (yes, that can trigger it), or high blood pressure, or erectile dysfunction...

really, anybody who gets average sex-ed knows about this. besides, the wang is about as unpredictable as a d20. there's a reason viagra is so commonly prescribed.

tl;dr: the person in red clearly doesn't understand how it works.
You forgot the morning-waking-up-with-a-piss-boner. Yeah. Even a lesbian has heard about that one. The boner denier either does not have a penis or is prepubescent. Color me shocked.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 09, 2015, 03:41:01 pm
Quote from: askold on October 09, 2015, 02:30:17 pm
Don't forget forcing someone to take Viagra. Like that one guy who got tied to a chair and raped repeatedly over a few days.

And not to mention that, even if a man does not have a boner, you can still rape him.

I'll leave the details to your imagination
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 05:21:21 pm
Gawker being Gawker:

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/65rddu.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Murdin on October 09, 2015, 06:02:17 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 10:18:08 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/34quuq1.jpg)

From what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the male body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 09, 2015, 08:04:46 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on October 08, 2015, 01:32:41 am
(http://i.imgur.com/uioURhY.png)

Why the fuck are you in college if you aren't going to listen to anything your professors say? I mean obviously there are shitheads in academia because there are shitheads everywhere, but if you have zero intention of listening to your professors' ""facts"" or of respecting their  ""intellectual" authority on anything" then why are you even there? If you already feel/know that you're 100% right 100% of the time just skip higher ed and get some job experience.
Job opportunities.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on October 09, 2015, 11:07:26 pm
So, the people behind the "we're a culture, not a costume" campaign included a man from Appalachia this year.  A white man from Appalachia. 

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The results are as predictable as you think they are.

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okay but first off are white appalachians gonna ignore the stigma black appalachians face, second off in a post thats about cultural appropriation and racist caricatures, why would u include a white person no matter the intent bc it seems A LOT like white people trying to invade SoC (Spaces of Color) like they could have used anyone but a white appalachian guy but u know go off sis!

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fuck you. it is not as detrimental as the others. yall talk about appalachian folks like they’re some fuckin mystical got damn creature. they are fuckin white people. poor white people. yall punk ass clowns care more about these special snowflakes that are made fun of by yalls punk asses than the people who are actually the ones being oppressed. get the fuck outta here with that fuck shit.
do you fuckin understand?

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Yeah the white people one reeeeeally isn’t that important.

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it’s the token white person poster so that whites people will be less likely to call it racist. I know how ridiculous that is, trust me it makes me sick, but don’t blame the campaign makers

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Hillbillies are on the list now? Oy. (Even though the people in Appalachia do have some serious problems, in which bias plays a part. But not every person there is white.)

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White people wanna be oppressed so bad

The eagerness for attention IS DIGUSTING! & REVOLTING!

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fucking hell who made the redneck one they need to be punched

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Red Necks aren’t a culture. Their problem is that they have no culture.

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what the fuck… is it saying like… redneck southern cousin lovers are oppressed? like sorry tim mcgraw i think you’re gonna be ok.

Basically, the majority of comments consist of variations of all of these.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 09, 2015, 11:47:16 pm
I've sort of given up on most of SJ accepting that making fun of people over their ethnicity is wrong in general and not just when other people do it. But I thought they'd maybe get a little bit of that ~intersectionality~ they love so much and realise classism is an axis of oppression.

But nope! Haha, poor white people are hilarious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 10, 2015, 02:23:30 am
Yay for hypocrisy! I think that "we are not a costume" campaign picture has managed to create the perfect explanation of why "power+prejudice" definition of racism does more harm than good.

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Red Necks aren’t a culture. Their problem is that they have no culture.

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what the fuck… is it saying like… redneck southern cousin lovers are oppressed? like sorry tim mcgraw i think you’re gonna be ok.

I think these two are my favourites.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 10, 2015, 07:16:18 am
I think the problem is that they put in this white Appalachian guy (a class stigma) next to a bunch of non white people (a race stigma), thus implying (possibly unintentionally) that the white guy's problem is racism and not classism. Poor design choice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 10, 2015, 12:32:53 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/n2iduf.jpg)

When feminism is indistinguishable from misogyny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 10, 2015, 01:24:33 pm
"DavidWongCracked"

figures a Cracked writer would post something stupid like that. Got a new article idea for them: "15 Reasons Why That Reddit Post Was Stupid As Fuck"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 10, 2015, 02:22:51 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 10, 2015, 07:16:18 am
I think the problem is that they put in this white Appalachian guy (a class stigma) next to a bunch of non white people (a race stigma), thus implying (possibly unintentionally) that the white guy's problem is racism and not classism. Poor design choice.

It's not just about class. That stereotype is about the people in the Appalachian region specifically so it is a stereotype of an ethnic group even if that ethnic group happens to be mainly white. Classism does play a part in it but it's not all that. The stereotypes about poor white people in other regions are different, Britain has Chavs for example and similarly the "inbred hillbilly with a banjo" is a stereotype from specific region.

So in that way it fits in with the rest of the series which complains about different cultures being reduced into simple costumes and stereotypes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 10, 2015, 02:49:53 pm
An Appalachian accent is so twang-y and thick, and the culture is so strongly associated in society at large with ignorance, inbreeding, drunkenness and violence that finding a job elsewhere, even while still in the South, is much more difficult. Shades of England's old accent-indicates-class thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 10, 2015, 03:03:38 pm
Consider me corrected.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 10, 2015, 08:16:57 pm
funny thing about accents. le point (a french e-journal) recently revealed a survey claiming that a southwestern french accent (toulousan to be precise) was the sexiest accent according to the french and brought images of a laid-back lifestyle due to the way it's slow and singing. guess who scored among the worst in the "taken seriously" category? yup, anything southern. precisely because of that singing accent. in a country smaller than some states. people will find all kinds of ways to ostracize others.

in the meantime, i have to try and hide my noticeable accent when applying for jobs even when they're local jobs. brb, brain just afk.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 11, 2015, 12:49:58 am
Certain regions of Finland are also known for having "funny" accents and comedians and older movies often used those accents for enhancing the silliness of characters.

In related news, at least one person drowned in a lake with the bystanders doing nothing because he was screaming for help in a such a silly accent that people thought he was just pretending to be in trouble.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 11, 2015, 07:29:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 09, 2015, 09:10:52 am
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
I don't do well with the quote things so I'll just break it down:

1. Why should they? It's not their job description to go and denounce every other person who has a different idea of feminism. Also did you ever think that they might have better things to do with their time (such as actually opposing existing inequality) rather than spending all their time denouncing people who share the same self-identification who they disagree with? I am prepared to trust that they manage their time well.

It doesn't take long to release a statement saying "these people don't represent us."

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
2. Who are these people who have different opinions? Are they anybody I should give a fuck about or are they youtube commentators? Where are the academic dissertations on Rebecca Watson and her adverse impact on Feminism?

Atheism+, for one.  I may not like PZ Meyers, but I'm not going to deny his influence.

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
3. Nice way to avoid the point. I included the quakers, partly as a joke but also partly because they tend to act in a way that most Christians don't (you know in emulation of Jesus as recorded in the Gospels)

I'm sorry, but how do Quakers not act in emulation of Jesus?

Anyway, other than them, you're talking about groups with very little influence or popularity.  Nobody likes the WBC, and the Klan hasn't been a serious threat since the 1970s.  If you'd brought up Pat Robertson or the Crouch family, that would've been a decent comparison.

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
Finally why do you care so much about PR. You seem to be obsessed with people giving bad PR to groups like feminists and trans people. One of the things I've noticed is when doing it you always refer to the people whose PR you are concerned about (Feminists/ Trans) as 'them' - although later you will claim either to be part of the group or an ally of it. 

Because, like it or not, PR is important.  And when I say "them," I'm referring to the leadership and/or prominent members.

Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 11:38:09 pm
Also please let me know which of the points I consider central to feminism you disagree with? Is it that women are people?

None of them.  What I disagree with are some modern feminist talking points, such as prominence of "rape culture," the idea that misogyny in the third world has impact on the first world, or the idea that the media should change for the benefit of the pearl-clutchers.

Back now the weekend is over. As for my position on Quakers that was a reading fail and Melon was right.

While it may not take long to release a statement, they first have:

1. To be aware of the incident;
2. Care about the incident enough to at least form an informed opinion of it;
3. Prepare a statement.

Given the number of piddling things you care about, I suspect denouncing those straying from the pure ideology you seek would be a full time job. Also I'm pleased that you don't believe they know how to best manage their time. No that's not a condescending attitude at all.

As for Atheism+ I'm going to have to plead ignorance, I have know Idea who they are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 11, 2015, 09:33:12 pm
Like I said, let's talk elsewhere.

Anyway, I recently found a site called "Black Girl Dangerous."  The title alone is a red flag.  I mean, imagine if some /pol/ack started a site called "White Guy Badass?"

On the other hand, you shouldn't judge a book by its cover.  So, I decided to take a look.  Maybe I'd be pleasantly surprised.

Then I came across an article claiming white people created AIDS.

https://archive.is/swTH3 (https://archive.is/swTH3)

Yeah, it seems my first impression was completely accurate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 11, 2015, 11:09:33 pm
Where would you like to talk about it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 11, 2015, 11:16:57 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 11, 2015, 11:09:33 pm
Where would you like to talk about it?

In a new thread.  I think I might make one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on October 12, 2015, 12:54:12 pm
It's possible the AIDS epidemic was the accidental result of SIV-contaminated vaccines (monkey plasma is similar enough to human plasma that doctors had been using them for years in Africa to "stretch" each vial of vaccine).  However, I'm pretty sure that wasn't deliberate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 13, 2015, 09:45:27 am
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2n6mav.jpg)

This is hilarious coming from somebody who admits two of his teammates committed statutory rape and got away with it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 13, 2015, 01:37:14 pm
Statutory rape as in a few years age difference, or as in probable pederasty?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 13, 2015, 03:45:35 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on October 13, 2015, 01:37:14 pm
Statutory rape as in a few years age difference, or as in probable pederasty?

I don't know, he only said "underage girl."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 13, 2015, 07:20:27 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 13, 2015, 09:45:27 am
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This is hilarious coming from somebody who admits two of his teammates committed statutory rape and got away with it.

And?  That's still a valid statement.

Ironbite-OH RIGHT!  I forgot Goobergate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 13, 2015, 07:44:51 pm
Depends on what we define as an "abuse of power". Should we "dox" people who are doing illegal things, like committing fraud or pretty much anything Wall Street does under the table? Absolutely we should. Should we "dox" people for saying stupid things on Twitter, or being a shitty person in general? No, of course not! That's, um. Illegal.

Also, I would ask, "what is doxxing"? The definition I use is "revealing a person's full name and address to the public, which may also include other information such as their place of work or their phone number".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Barbarella on October 13, 2015, 08:14:17 pm
Quote from: TheL on October 12, 2015, 12:54:12 pm
It's possible the AIDS epidemic was the accidental result of SIV-contaminated vaccines (monkey plasma is similar enough to human plasma that doctors had been using them for years in Africa to "stretch" each vial of vaccine).  However, I'm pretty sure that wasn't deliberate.

It's also incredibly stupid to think it was deliberate because viruses don't discriminate. If you're a weirdo who wants to kill black Africans, the fact that boatloads of whites can get AIDS would be something one should consider.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 13, 2015, 08:28:09 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 13, 2015, 03:45:35 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on October 13, 2015, 01:37:14 pm
Statutory rape as in a few years age difference, or as in probable pederasty?

I don't know, he only said "underage girl."

Not all sex with underage people is statutory rape. E.g. if you're underage yourself, or if you fall within Romeo and Juliet clauses. What was the exact statement?

EDIT: Disregard that, found the statement "Oooh, shall we talk about the time two very well known Vikings players were caught in a compromising situation with an underage girl?"

It's not statutory rape unless the compromising situation was, y'know, sex. Of course not defending it, just saying precision is important here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Barbarella on October 13, 2015, 08:28:55 pm
Quote from: Murdin on October 08, 2015, 04:19:19 pm
*yawn* Once again, I am apparently supposed to get outraged over the fact that a bunch of nobodies are getting outraged (more like slightly miffed, really) over something stupid. Some people really want to turn this topic into "dem dirty libruls being WRONG on the internet"... well, more than it already is.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
You.  You fanatics are the "some reason". 

A passive-aggressive remark about an actress refusing to explicitly associate with her in-group? How could she! FANATICS! FANATICS I SAY!

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
Fact is, the main reason people don't want to call themselves feminists is because they don't want to be associated with people like this:

(http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/nvYyGTmcP80/hqdefault.jpg)

I had to search for this person we're all evidently supposed to know already, and suffice to say, I am not surprised. She's some obscure SJW jackass who apparently lost her cool while "debating" a bunch of MRA trolls and crossed the line on camera. As a result, she got viciously harassed by UP's friends bad people with no link whatsoever with the circles he frequents. As usual, we're apparently supposed to 1) give a fuck, 2) vaguely recognize that harassment is wrong but not care too much about it, and 3) collectively tut-tut at her.

Edit: just in case, "UP's friends" is intended to be every bit as much of an exaggeration as "bad people with no link etc.". No offense intended... on that particular point.

I mean, that woman was quite clearly defending rape paranoia and male suicide as intellectual positions, and anyone who doesn't go out of their way to lapidate her as the epitome of Everything That Is Wrong With Feminism is evidently a misandrist. Stay classy, UP.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
If you want more people to call themselves "feminists," then condemn these extremists for what they are.

And you should keep up the good work on your self-awareness, as well.


Since I'm... probably not going to post again in the next month or so, here's one last thing: anyone who reads this response and comes to the conclusion that I am "siding" with anyone, has my deepest pity.


Quote from: Canadian Mojo on October 08, 2015, 01:41:05 pm
Or maybe she is a humanist.

She's got a good number of years under her belt watching the world evolve and hasn't exactly been kicked in the teeth for the crime of having a uterus so the idea that she is more of an egalitarian really isn't that far fetched.

This doesn't exactly fit with what she's saying about equal pay and decision-making in the film industry, though. One can hope she's one of those people who DOESN'T hold to the "egalitarian" label as an excuse to is-ought-fallacy away any actual example of gender inequality (one way or the other) that she personally finds too inconvenient to admit. *wink wink nudge nudge*


He should have posted a photo of Andrea Dworkin. I can understand his point even if he did make it in a "off" sort of way.

The fact is that sadly, some Feminists don't want to be called Feminists because of the years of propaganda and stigma plastered on said word.

Also, a lot of folks in the U.S. Govt. are nuts who say stuff about "legitimate rape" and "BENGHAZI!" and Ms. Streep didn't want to turn those guys off.

I commend her efforts.

One thing I have to say to those dumb Social Justice Zealots: Could you at least give a person points for trying?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 13, 2015, 08:30:25 pm
Romeo and Juliet clause?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 13, 2015, 08:33:31 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 13, 2015, 08:30:25 pm
Romeo and Juliet clause?

The provision that if two people have sex when one is underage, but the difference in ages is small, then it's not statutory rape (think 17 year old with 19 year old). See here. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape#Romeo_and_Juliet_laws)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 13, 2015, 08:46:23 pm
Quote from: Barbarella on October 13, 2015, 08:28:55 pm
Quote from: Murdin on October 08, 2015, 04:19:19 pm
*yawn* Once again, I am apparently supposed to get outraged over the fact that a bunch of nobodies are getting outraged (more like slightly miffed, really) over something stupid. Some people really want to turn this topic into "dem dirty libruls being WRONG on the internet"... well, more than it already is.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
You.  You fanatics are the "some reason". 

A passive-aggressive remark about an actress refusing to explicitly associate with her in-group? How could she! FANATICS! FANATICS I SAY!

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
Fact is, the main reason people don't want to call themselves feminists is because they don't want to be associated with people like this:

(http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/nvYyGTmcP80/hqdefault.jpg)

I had to search for this person we're all evidently supposed to know already, and suffice to say, I am not surprised. She's some obscure SJW jackass who apparently lost her cool while "debating" a bunch of MRA trolls and crossed the line on camera. As a result, she got viciously harassed by UP's friends bad people with no link whatsoever with the circles he frequents. As usual, we're apparently supposed to 1) give a fuck, 2) vaguely recognize that harassment is wrong but not care too much about it, and 3) collectively tut-tut at her.

Edit: just in case, "UP's friends" is intended to be every bit as much of an exaggeration as "bad people with no link etc.". No offense intended... on that particular point.

I mean, that woman was quite clearly defending rape paranoia and male suicide as intellectual positions, and anyone who doesn't go out of their way to lapidate her as the epitome of Everything That Is Wrong With Feminism is evidently a misandrist. Stay classy, UP.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
If you want more people to call themselves "feminists," then condemn these extremists for what they are.

And you should keep up the good work on your self-awareness, as well.


Since I'm... probably not going to post again in the next month or so, here's one last thing: anyone who reads this response and comes to the conclusion that I am "siding" with anyone, has my deepest pity.


Quote from: Canadian Mojo on October 08, 2015, 01:41:05 pm
Or maybe she is a humanist.

She's got a good number of years under her belt watching the world evolve and hasn't exactly been kicked in the teeth for the crime of having a uterus so the idea that she is more of an egalitarian really isn't that far fetched.

This doesn't exactly fit with what she's saying about equal pay and decision-making in the film industry, though. One can hope she's one of those people who DOESN'T hold to the "egalitarian" label as an excuse to is-ought-fallacy away any actual example of gender inequality (one way or the other) that she personally finds too inconvenient to admit. *wink wink nudge nudge*


He should have posted a photo of Andrea Dworkin. I can understand his point even if he did make it in a "off" sort of way.

The fact is that sadly, some Feminists don't want to be called Feminists because of the years of propaganda and stigma plastered on said word.

Also, a lot of folks in the U.S. Govt. are nuts who say stuff about "legitimate rape" and "BENGHAZI!" and Ms. Streep didn't want to turn those guys off.

I commend her efforts.

One thing I have to say to those dumb Social Justice Zealots: Could you at least give a person points for trying?!

Hey my Aerospace Aerobics Instructor, I know you think disagreeing with UP is the same as attacking him but I think you actually disagree with his point. His point is that the 'bad' feminists have caused the stigma to the word feminism and that 'good' feminists should go around denouncing and ostracising 'bad' feminists.  That is the stigma is the fault of feminists.

Your point, I think, (which I bolded) is that anti-feminist Propaganda has stigmatised the word. While you don't elaborate that propaganda is probably the product of those people who have vested interests in opposing feminism.

I think you have fallen into the trap of looking at who is saying something rather than what they are saying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Barbarella on October 13, 2015, 08:48:57 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 10:28:27 pm
Well that is pretty shit even by your standards mate.

It didn't address Murdin's point. It doesn't address the point as to why Meryl Streep or the Guardian writer should know or give a fuck about her. She's hardly the face of feminism.

Also I watched that video and I think there is a big difference between turning up at a Gay Pride parade and telling them they are going to hell and turning up to a rally and presenting the opposing view.  - EDIT: The former is like turning up to a church and pissing in the communion wine, the latter is not.

I'm still pondering why I should give a fuck about this person - can you refer me to any of her published works?

Guys! Why are you nit-picking U.P.'s choice of picture? The point he was making was that some people don't want to admit they are Feminists because of the stigma put upon the word over the years and that some "Feminists" are people like Big Red, here. It doesn't matter if she's a leader or not. She's just an example U.P. used....NOTHING MORE. U.P. is not saying that Feminism is bad. Why are you guys always assuming something wrong or sinister when someone makes some point on this board?

All of you guys! NIT PICK NIT PICK NIT PICK! Well ExCUUUUUSSSE ME if some of use don't communicate perfectly to your satisfaction?! We're constantly arguing over word-choices, nuances, examples used, etc. and assuming the worst in a person rather than assume they're okay unless proven otherwise! You idiots can't get the gist of a statement or the spirit of a statement....you must get all anal over ever detail of a statement or post and assume the worst about the person posting!

You're getting as stupid as the subject of this webboard (bad 'Social Justice Zealots')! You're seeing bigoted context where there is none!

Okay! So he used what appeared to be a bad example to you. I know zilch about Red Lady...so I can't judge either way! But you're seeing bigotry where there is none.

WHY IS IT SO HARD TO COMMUNICATE ON THIS BOARD? DON'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND INTENT, NUANCE, READING-BETWEEN-THE-LINES, GISTS, OR CONTEXTS?

It's like words have different meanings or connotations. We're separated by a common language!

[rude statement removed here]


This is why it's so easy for the wingnuts to steam-roll us! Because we progressives/moderates/lefties/egalitarians/whatever are constantly infighting over details! Why is is so hard to overlook differences and see where we are the same?! WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER!



Quote from: davedan on October 13, 2015, 08:46:23 pm
Quote from: Barbarella on October 13, 2015, 08:28:55 pm
Quote from: Murdin on October 08, 2015, 04:19:19 pm
*yawn* Once again, I am apparently supposed to get outraged over the fact that a bunch of nobodies are getting outraged (more like slightly miffed, really) over something stupid. Some people really want to turn this topic into "dem dirty libruls being WRONG on the internet"... well, more than it already is.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
You.  You fanatics are the "some reason". 

A passive-aggressive remark about an actress refusing to explicitly associate with her in-group? How could she! FANATICS! FANATICS I SAY!

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
Fact is, the main reason people don't want to call themselves feminists is because they don't want to be associated with people like this:

(http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/nvYyGTmcP80/hqdefault.jpg)

I had to search for this person we're all evidently supposed to know already, and suffice to say, I am not surprised. She's some obscure SJW jackass who apparently lost her cool while "debating" a bunch of MRA trolls and crossed the line on camera. As a result, she got viciously harassed by UP's friends bad people with no link whatsoever with the circles he frequents. As usual, we're apparently supposed to 1) give a fuck, 2) vaguely recognize that harassment is wrong but not care too much about it, and 3) collectively tut-tut at her.

Edit: just in case, "UP's friends" is intended to be every bit as much of an exaggeration as "bad people with no link etc.". No offense intended... on that particular point.

I mean, that woman was quite clearly defending rape paranoia and male suicide as intellectual positions, and anyone who doesn't go out of their way to lapidate her as the epitome of Everything That Is Wrong With Feminism is evidently a misandrist. Stay classy, UP.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 08, 2015, 01:10:32 pm
If you want more people to call themselves "feminists," then condemn these extremists for what they are.

And you should keep up the good work on your self-awareness, as well.


Since I'm... probably not going to post again in the next month or so, here's one last thing: anyone who reads this response and comes to the conclusion that I am "siding" with anyone, has my deepest pity.


Quote from: Canadian Mojo on October 08, 2015, 01:41:05 pm
Or maybe she is a humanist.

She's got a good number of years under her belt watching the world evolve and hasn't exactly been kicked in the teeth for the crime of having a uterus so the idea that she is more of an egalitarian really isn't that far fetched.

This doesn't exactly fit with what she's saying about equal pay and decision-making in the film industry, though. One can hope she's one of those people who DOESN'T hold to the "egalitarian" label as an excuse to is-ought-fallacy away any actual example of gender inequality (one way or the other) that she personally finds too inconvenient to admit. *wink wink nudge nudge*


He should have posted a photo of Andrea Dworkin. I can understand his point even if he did make it in a "off" sort of way.

The fact is that sadly, some Feminists don't want to be called Feminists because of the years of propaganda and stigma plastered on said word.

Also, a lot of folks in the U.S. Govt. are nuts who say stuff about "legitimate rape" and "BENGHAZI!" and Ms. Streep didn't want to turn those guys off.

I commend her efforts.

One thing I have to say to those dumb Social Justice Zealots: Could you at least give a person points for trying?!

Hey my Aerospace Aerobics Instructor, I know you think disagreeing with UP is the same as attacking him but I think you actually disagree with his point. His point is that the 'bad' feminists have caused the stigma to the word feminism and that 'good' feminists should go around denouncing and ostracising 'bad' feminists.  That is the stigma is the fault of feminists.

Your point, I think, (which I bolded) is that anti-feminist Propaganda has stigmatised the word. While you don't elaborate that propaganda is probably the product of those people who have vested interests in opposing feminism.

I think you have fallen into the trap of looking at who is saying something rather than what they are saying.

No. That's not what I meant. I know that it's not the Feminist's fault that "Feminism" as a word has been stigmatized. I'm aware that it's opponents of Feminism that are responsible. I assumed that you would get that unspoken nuance because I assumed that was common knowledge. I guess one has to world every little nuance perfectly on this board because a lot of folks are too literal & anal-retentive here! One can't talk in "Low Concept Language" here, they must say stuff in "High Concept Language" in the most perfect way possible using the most perfect words with perfect clarity & meaning or else we'll all look like Klansmen or something!

Okay! I get it! Some of us have a different view of what constitutes a "militant", "moderate", "fanatic", "radical", "respectable", etc. One person might look at a RadFem and see a nut while another sees a reasonable person. I get it!

Now, can we try to learn to get over it and assume that most here are good people with good intentions and try to find common ground?

This isn't about Ultimate Paragon, either. This is about commenting on this board in general. Someone posts something, trying to make a point but another thinks the worst of that person and their post because they see something awful that likely isn't there. Then an entire thread gets derailed over junk like semantics. It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 13, 2015, 09:01:39 pm
 ...you got that out of your system now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Barbarella on October 13, 2015, 09:10:52 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 13, 2015, 09:01:39 pm
...you got that out of your system now?

YES!

Now! Let's be friendly and discuss the weirdos on the web who take an otherwise good thing like Social Justice into stupid areas.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 13, 2015, 09:12:17 pm
i'm with spuki on this, in thought if not form. kinda missed it, she used to blow up frequently, then took chill-pills and erased her rants. still, she speaks the truth.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 13, 2015, 09:16:02 pm
Quote from: Barbarella on October 13, 2015, 08:48:57 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 10:28:27 pm
Well that is pretty shit even by your standards mate.

It didn't address Murdin's point. It doesn't address the point as to why Meryl Streep or the Guardian writer should know or give a fuck about her. She's hardly the face of feminism.

Also I watched that video and I think there is a big difference between turning up at a Gay Pride parade and telling them they are going to hell and turning up to a rally and presenting the opposing view.  - EDIT: The former is like turning up to a church and pissing in the communion wine, the latter is not.

I'm still pondering why I should give a fuck about this person - can you refer me to any of her published works?

Guys! Why are you nit-picking U.P.'s choice of picture? The point he was making was that some people don't want to admit they are Feminists because of the stigma put upon the word over the years and that some "Feminists" are people like Big Red, here. It doesn't matter if she's a leader or not. She's just an example U.P. used....NOTHING MORE. U.P. is not saying that Feminism is bad. Why are you guys always assuming something wrong or sinister when someone makes some point on this board?

All of you guys! NIT PICK NIT PICK NIT PICK! Well ExCUUUUUSSSE ME if some of use don't communicate perfectly to your satisfaction?! We're constantly arguing over word-choices, nuances, examples used, etc. and assuming the worst in a person rather than assume they're okay unless proven otherwise! You idiots can't get the gist of a statement or the spirit of a statement....you must get all anal over ever detail of a statement or post and assume the worst about the person posting!

You're getting as stupid as the subject of this webboard (bad 'Social Justice Zealots')! You're seeing bigoted context where there is none!

Okay! So he used what appeared to be a bad example to you. I know zilch about Red Lady...so I can't judge either way! But you're seeing bigotry where there is none.

WHY IS IT SO HARD TO COMMUNICATE ON THIS BOARD? DON'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND INTENT, NUANCE, READING-BETWEEN-THE-LINES, GISTS, OR CONTEXTS?

It's like words have different meanings or connotations. We're separated by a common language!

I'M SICK OF IT, GUYS! SHUT UP!


This is why it's so easy for the wingnuts to steam-roll us! Because we progressives/moderates/lefties/egalitarians/whatever are constantly infighting over details! Why is is so hard to overlook differences and see where we are the same?! WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER!

Leatherclad Laserette,

First, please don't tell me to shut up. The point of a discussion is to discuss things. Also lay off the capslocks.

Second, I understand nuance and I did read between the lines of what UP was saying and I disagreed with what he he said there. I fundamentally disagree that the broad church of feminism is responsible for demonising the label 'Feminist'.  UP disagrees and thinks it needs better PR.

Third, given your views I find it a bit strange, (particularly given -"we are all in this together") that you are attacking fellow progressives as "Social Justice Zealots". From your regular call to arms I would have thought you would encourage greater Zealotry. I suspect you simply mentally compartmentalise these people as another sort of 'Frummer' but I would not have thought that you would find 'progressivism' incompatible with Zealotry.

Fourth, why do you think we are all progressives and what does that even mean?

Finally, UP didn't want to discuss this here so I created another thread, where we can continue the discussion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Barbarella on October 13, 2015, 09:29:54 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 13, 2015, 09:12:17 pm
i'm with spuki on this, in thought if not form. kinda missed it, she used to blow up frequently, then took chill-pills and erased her rants. still, she speaks the truth.

Thank you so much! *EPIC HUGS*

You see, we all need to work together and help each other.


@davedan
Forgive me for telling you to shut up. That was really bad of me and I'll delete that part.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 13, 2015, 09:35:28 pm
Thanks Barb, I wasn't upset but to the extent I was you're forgiven.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Barbarella on October 13, 2015, 09:40:01 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 13, 2015, 09:16:02 pm
Quote from: Barbarella on October 13, 2015, 08:48:57 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 08, 2015, 10:28:27 pm
Well that is pretty shit even by your standards mate.

It didn't address Murdin's point. It doesn't address the point as to why Meryl Streep or the Guardian writer should know or give a fuck about her. She's hardly the face of feminism.

Also I watched that video and I think there is a big difference between turning up at a Gay Pride parade and telling them they are going to hell and turning up to a rally and presenting the opposing view.  - EDIT: The former is like turning up to a church and pissing in the communion wine, the latter is not.

I'm still pondering why I should give a fuck about this person - can you refer me to any of her published works?

Guys! Why are you nit-picking U.P.'s choice of picture? The point he was making was that some people don't want to admit they are Feminists because of the stigma put upon the word over the years and that some "Feminists" are people like Big Red, here. It doesn't matter if she's a leader or not. She's just an example U.P. used....NOTHING MORE. U.P. is not saying that Feminism is bad. Why are you guys always assuming something wrong or sinister when someone makes some point on this board?

All of you guys! NIT PICK NIT PICK NIT PICK! Well ExCUUUUUSSSE ME if some of use don't communicate perfectly to your satisfaction?! We're constantly arguing over word-choices, nuances, examples used, etc. and assuming the worst in a person rather than assume they're okay unless proven otherwise! You idiots can't get the gist of a statement or the spirit of a statement....you must get all anal over ever detail of a statement or post and assume the worst about the person posting!

You're getting as stupid as the subject of this webboard (bad 'Social Justice Zealots')! You're seeing bigoted context where there is none!

Okay! So he used what appeared to be a bad example to you. I know zilch about Red Lady...so I can't judge either way! But you're seeing bigotry where there is none.

WHY IS IT SO HARD TO COMMUNICATE ON THIS BOARD? DON'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND INTENT, NUANCE, READING-BETWEEN-THE-LINES, GISTS, OR CONTEXTS?

It's like words have different meanings or connotations. We're separated by a common language!

I'M SICK OF IT, GUYS! SHUT UP!


This is why it's so easy for the wingnuts to steam-roll us! Because we progressives/moderates/lefties/egalitarians/whatever are constantly infighting over details! Why is is so hard to overlook differences and see where we are the same?! WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER!

Leatherclad Laserette,

First, please don't tell me to shut up. The point of a discussion is to discuss things. Also lay off the capslocks.

Second, I understand nuance and I did read between the lines of what UP was saying and I disagreed with what he he said there. I fundamentally disagree that the broad church of feminism is responsible for demonising the label 'Feminist'.  UP disagrees and thinks it needs better PR.

Third, given your views I find it a bit strange, (particularly given -"we are all in this together") that you are attacking fellow progressives as "Social Justice Zealots". From your regular call to arms I would have thought you would encourage greater Zealotry. I suspect you simply mentally compartmentalise these people as another sort of 'Frummer' but I would not have thought that you would find 'progressivism' incompatible with Zealotry.

Fourth, why do you think we are all progressives and what does that even mean?

Finally, UP didn't want to discuss this here so I created another thread, where we can continue the discussion.


I use the term "Progressives" because labels like "Liberal" & "Conservative" kind of lose their meaning or have different meanings to different societies.

Seeing that this is a site that ridicules bigots and authoritarian nuts, I assumed everyone here was Progressive in one form or another. By "Progressive", i mean a person who's pro social justice, equality, human progress, freedom, etc.

As for "Social Justice Zealot", that wasn't my term for social justice people in general. It was my term for the subject of this one board. I thought it was more appropriate than "Social Justice Warrior" because "SJW" is being used & abused by different sides of the political spectrum & it's becoming meaningless.


Quote from: davedan on October 13, 2015, 09:35:28 pm
Thanks Barb, I wasn't upset but to the extent I was you're forgiven.

Thank you davedan. You're okay.

I'll even try to go easy on Art & Ironchew.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Murdin on October 14, 2015, 07:24:19 pm
Quote from: Barbarella on October 13, 2015, 08:48:57 pm
Now, can we try to learn to get over it and assume that most here are good people with good intentions and try to find common ground?

Honestly, this pretty much describes my main beef with UP here. Well, I certainly wouldn't say that most people are "good with good intentions" since I'm an incorrigible cynic, but you get the idea.

People who feel the need to express their frustration about a celebrity that refuses to explicitly identify with their cause are not "fanatics" and "the worst of social justice". This kind of irrational tribalistic behavior is so commonplace everywhere that it is absolutely pointless to single out a group for practicing it. Meanwhile, as you said, openly misandrist thinkers like Dworkin who put their toxic rhetoric on print are better examples of "bad feminism" than some girl who went verbally berserk during an encounter with an abrasive bunch of ideological opponents. So much for him being critical of "callout culture"...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 16, 2015, 12:01:05 am
Alrighty folks, let's get this shitshow back on the road:

(http://i.imgur.com/lctAd7v.png)
No they fucking aren't. They might be part of the lgbt+ community, but they aren't "queer".

(http://i.imgur.com/7CkmOj3.png)
Trans Jesus headcanons... yeah, you're going to hell.

(http://i.imgur.com/2k9Jd4W.png)
Wha... I don't... aplatonic? The fuck?

(http://i.imgur.com/khn13X1.png)
"Supposedly". "Supposedly". Christ.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 16, 2015, 12:31:08 am
Queer on tumblr is basically slang for "any LGBT+ plus group"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 16, 2015, 12:40:06 am
Aplatonics: When you look at Norman Bates and think; "MY GOSH, I AM JUST LIKE NORMAN!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 16, 2015, 08:01:16 am
wait. wait... wait... waitwaitwait.

aplatonic. as in non-platonic? incest: keeping it in the family!  ;D

also, repeating something does not make it true.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 16, 2015, 11:20:39 pm
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/c4028278931cd4ab4cc1adc7fe6b049d/tumblr_nwag8sHRSg1u00qgto1_540.png)

The real way to win in SJ - just imitate your enemy's infantile name calling.

That cannot go wrong and give certain people ammunition against you as well as notions of a high horse and a gate to go dashing out from.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 16, 2015, 11:41:25 pm
So is this proof that Tumblr thinks all cis people are "cis scum" and all men are "dudebros"?

Note: The above is not me being serious. It's me joking and sucking at it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 17, 2015, 12:06:43 am
Nerotips
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on October 17, 2015, 12:34:19 am
Quote from: niam2023 on October 16, 2015, 11:20:39 pm
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/c4028278931cd4ab4cc1adc7fe6b049d/tumblr_nwag8sHRSg1u00qgto1_540.png)

The real way to win in SJ - just imitate your enemy's infantile name calling.

That cannot go wrong and give certain people ammunition against you as well as notions of a high horse and a gate to go dashing out from.

Well, as a man who thinks getting insulted (?) by a tumblrina is a sign I'm living right, I really wish they'd be more creative.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 17, 2015, 12:54:38 am
Quote from: rookie on October 17, 2015, 12:34:19 am
Quote from: niam2023 on October 16, 2015, 11:20:39 pm
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/c4028278931cd4ab4cc1adc7fe6b049d/tumblr_nwag8sHRSg1u00qgto1_540.png)

The real way to win in SJ - just imitate your enemy's infantile name calling.

That cannot go wrong and give certain people ammunition against you as well as notions of a high horse and a gate to go dashing out from.

Well, as a man who thinks getting insulted (?) by a tumblrina is a sign I'm living right, I really wish they'd be more creative.

Fun (?) fact: There's a local term for straight people that is coincidentally identical to a racial slur in English.

It's somewhat insulting, depending on who you ask, but most people don't even know it exists so they don't really take offence. That's the typical thing with trying to throw slurs at the for-lack-of-a-better-word privileged, they don't really have the social power to make it threatening, and so people don't really care.

I don't want to say "slur = disparaging nickname + power", but...


also, where's davedan when you need him?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on October 17, 2015, 01:01:58 am
Sigma, you realize we're all going to start guessing now, right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 17, 2015, 03:06:15 pm
Fun as that sounds, you probably shouldn't fill this thread with slurs. It's used primarily in the UK and short for Pakistani, that should give you enough to know what I mean.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on October 17, 2015, 04:35:00 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Nu0cMEq.jpg?1)

Can anyone figure out this math?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 17, 2015, 04:56:45 pm
It equals to ten kilograms of bullshit.

probs a troll blog tho
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 17, 2015, 04:58:19 pm
that doesn't make any amount of sense whatsoever.... 0.o
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mythbuster43 on October 17, 2015, 05:00:25 pm
Quote from: Kat S. on October 17, 2015, 04:35:00 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Nu0cMEq.jpg?1)

Can anyone figure out this math?

Apparently, prejudice has a square root. Who knew?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 17, 2015, 05:27:47 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/dc4lkn.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mythbuster43 on October 17, 2015, 05:42:37 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 17, 2015, 05:27:47 pm
(http://oi57.tinypic.com/dc4lkn.jpg)

I love how she ran out of character space to post that wharrgarbl. I wonder if she realizes that it's not 1965 anymore and that there are quite a few female soldiers now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 17, 2015, 05:55:03 pm
Quote
Do not call me cisgender. You have no right or authority to name me without my consent.
Cisgender is a word used by persons who have decided to name me without my permission.
Cisgender is not a name or identity that females, women as a class, have chosen for ourselves.
It does not come from us, as its origins are from a trans perspective, a person said to be a man, created by trans persons and used to name females/women as a class. Women have not agreed to be named by others, as has been done to us through history, being named, identified and defined by others.
You do not get to name me without my permission.
Do not call me cisgender. That is offensive to me. I am offended that you consider that you have power over me, and can name me.
Cisgender is an epithet, abusive, contemptuous and expresses hostility towards me.
I name myself. The names and words I use include female, woman, her, she, wimmin, womon, womyn. You have permission to use those words when addressing or referring to me.
You do not have the permission to call me names you have created for me, against my will and demand that I own them as mine.
Do not call me cisgender. That is your word, not mine.

This is what TERFs actually believe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 17, 2015, 05:57:41 pm
Quote from: Kat S. on October 17, 2015, 04:35:00 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Nu0cMEq.jpg?1)

Can anyone figure out this math?

...we all know this is parody, right? Right.

Anyway, the equation is odd. The text clearly says "divided by misogyny and multiplied by racism", but the equation shows the opposite, multiplying it by M/R rather than R/M. It could be that they left out a divided by symbol just before the parenthesis, which both explains why the parenthesis is there and fits with the text. There are other ambiguities left in the text, like for example if the square root applies to prejudice, or prejudice  + systematic oppression, or what, but I'm going to go by the equation and assume there are no missing parentheses, for simplicity.

so we have B=sqrt(P)+SO/(M/R), or equivalently B=sqrt(P)+R*SO/M.

This has the interesting implication that bullying, the square root of prejudice, and racism times oppression over misogyny must all have the same units (otherwise, it'd make no sense to add them!).

But as we all know, racism is prejudice + power, which means prejudice and racism both have power units (watts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt))

The square root of a watt has units of L*M^(1/2)*T^(-3/2), where L is length, M is mass and T is time. Bullying has these same units, as does R*SO/M, but as we already established R has units of power, so the units of SO/M must be such that something with units of power times it gives units of square root of power. Which is to say, it has units of power to the minus one-half, or more conveniently, M/SO has units of square root of power.

Got to say, I would not have expected that from the dimensional analysis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 17, 2015, 06:41:38 pm
so now social justice zealots are bastardizing math to try and make their convoluted logic make sense? counter-productive. i didn't understand anything  ???
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 17, 2015, 08:45:36 pm
No. Some parodied the "racism= prejudice + power" thing and I run with it because I'm bored.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on October 17, 2015, 11:10:51 pm
Looking back now, with a Tumblr name like that I now see it's a parody.  That's what I get for posting after not getting any sleep.  Still I wouldn't be surprised if someone on Tumblr took it seriously.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 18, 2015, 09:02:27 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 17, 2015, 12:54:38 am
Quote from: rookie on October 17, 2015, 12:34:19 am
Quote from: niam2023 on October 16, 2015, 11:20:39 pm
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/c4028278931cd4ab4cc1adc7fe6b049d/tumblr_nwag8sHRSg1u00qgto1_540.png)

The real way to win in SJ - just imitate your enemy's infantile name calling.

That cannot go wrong and give certain people ammunition against you as well as notions of a high horse and a gate to go dashing out from.

Well, as a man who thinks getting insulted (?) by a tumblrina is a sign I'm living right, I really wish they'd be more creative.

Fun (?) fact: There's a local term for straight people that is coincidentally identical to a racial slur in English.

It's somewhat insulting, depending on who you ask, but most people don't even know it exists so they don't really take offence. That's the typical thing with trying to throw slurs at the for-lack-of-a-better-word privileged, they don't really have the social power to make it threatening, and so people don't really care.

I don't want to say "slur = disparaging nickname + power", but...


also, where's davedan when you need him?

Don't you know I'm like bloody mary? - just say 'Cracker' in the mirror three times and I will appear, drink all your beer and fuck everything with a heartbeat. Also I was watching the rugby.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 20, 2015, 03:37:39 pm
https://archive.is/GVYoS (https://archive.is/GVYoS)

Quote
...[Barrett's] a walking representation of everything racists like to believe about black people.

Good father, loyal friend, dedicated leader, environmentalist, responsible, successful businessman, savior of the world, etc.  Might as well have escaped from an A. Wyatt Mann cartoon.

Yes, he's foul-mouthed and rude, but Cid, a white character, is worse in both those regards.  Yes, he lives in "the ghetto," but what do you expect in a game so strongly influenced by the cyberpunk genre?  Moreover, he's not actually from the ghetto, he's originally from a rural mining town.

If anything, I'd call him a positive portrayal of blacks, since he doesn't have to "act white" to be taken seriously or achieve success.

Then again, what do I expect from a list that claims you play as "Zelda" (https://archive.is/p1gs0)?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 20, 2015, 04:21:32 pm
That whole list is fucking moronic. But with a title like "15 Most Offensive Gaming Characters", that's exactly what I expected.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 20, 2015, 07:04:23 pm
The good news is, now I know I never need to care about whatculture.com and their opinions.

(seriously, just look at any article on the site. I don't know what it is about it but it's uniformly terrible)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 20, 2015, 07:18:12 pm
I mean, the "angry destructive criminal black man" thing IS there, but so is a lot of other stuff like his internal conflict between being a father and fighting for his cause. Barret is honestly one of my favourite characters in FFVII.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 20, 2015, 08:23:02 pm
I have to give them Roman Bellic, though.  He was half the reason GTA IV was nigh-on unbearable to play.  That, and the whole ripping out the soul of GTA from the game thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 20, 2015, 08:40:55 pm
I'M NOT LEAVING HERE WITHOUT ROMAN!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 21, 2015, 02:18:32 am
UP, I can't open any of those "archive" links. Could you use a link that is available in my country or is this some kind of secret American knowledge that I am not allowed to know?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on October 21, 2015, 08:18:27 am
Quote from: askold on October 21, 2015, 02:18:32 am
UP, I can't open any of those "archive" links. Could you use a link that is available in my country or is this some kind of secret American knowledge that I am not allowed to know?
Yeah, my anti-virus says I shouldn't... and I'm in America. What gives?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 21, 2015, 08:59:09 am
Quote from: Ghoti on October 21, 2015, 08:18:27 am
Quote from: askold on October 21, 2015, 02:18:32 am
UP, I can't open any of those "archive" links. Could you use a link that is available in my country or is this some kind of secret American knowledge that I am not allowed to know?
Yeah, my anti-virus says I shouldn't... and I'm in America. What gives?
Secret American information!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 21, 2015, 12:44:54 pm
(http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aWOd9z4_700b.jpg)

tumblr-boner.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 21, 2015, 01:05:06 pm
That's... really really damned minor for a thread called "worst of social justice" tbh. Like, genderless gingerbread.  My god. Is nothing sacred to these ess jay doubleyas.

also it's asinine to use "SJW" liberalism as metonymy for all of Tumblr when the site is happy to have neonazis just traipsing happily along but that's a whole other topic
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 21, 2015, 01:08:03 pm
The real disturbing thing is that it's not listed as sexless. I don't want my gingerbread to have any sexes, thank you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 21, 2015, 01:10:50 pm
Come on, don't you want some gingerbread dick in your life?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 21, 2015, 03:16:30 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 21, 2015, 01:10:50 pm
Come on, don't you want some gingerbread dick in your life?

the surgeon general says: if you have gingerbread dick, you have a hell of a yeast infection. get it checked out at your local bakery and/or hospital.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 21, 2015, 04:58:04 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ef0xmb.jpg)

What about transmen?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on October 21, 2015, 05:20:35 pm
The anti-social-justice types are getting desperate when they have to resort to shopping text onto a chalkboard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 21, 2015, 08:04:05 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 21, 2015, 04:58:04 pm
(http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ef0xmb.jpg)

What about transmen?

Seems to me like transmen would be included in "trans folk". I honestly don't see a problem with the sign.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 21, 2015, 08:07:36 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 21, 2015, 05:20:35 pm
The anti-social-justice types are getting desperate when they have to resort to shopping text onto a chalkboard.

This isn't to doubt you, but what are the signs that something has been 'shopped'?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 21, 2015, 09:31:00 pm
I thought it was all kinds of illegal to turn away customers based on gender, at least in most of the English speaking world.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on October 21, 2015, 09:40:18 pm
Quote from: davedan on October 21, 2015, 08:07:36 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 21, 2015, 05:20:35 pm
The anti-social-justice types are getting desperate when they have to resort to shopping text onto a chalkboard.

This isn't to doubt you, but what are the signs that something has been 'shopped'?

I'm just generally skeptical of people criticizing photos of signs, boards, etc., not necessarily because they've all been shopped but because a flat surface is a trivial template to erase and shop on top of.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 21, 2015, 10:51:15 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 21, 2015, 09:31:00 pm
I thought it was all kinds of illegal to turn away customers based on gender, at least in most of the English speaking world.

Not in Canada, apparently.  This picture was taken in Toronto.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on October 21, 2015, 11:14:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 21, 2015, 10:51:15 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 21, 2015, 09:31:00 pm
I thought it was all kinds of illegal to turn away customers based on gender, at least in most of the English speaking world.

Not in Canada, apparently.  This picture was taken in Toronto.

Nope, it's illegal in Ontario. (http://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90d12) (It's a matter of civil rights, which is a provincial responsibility per s. 92(13) of the Constitution Act, 1867.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 21, 2015, 11:23:05 pm
Quote from: dpareja on October 21, 2015, 11:14:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 21, 2015, 10:51:15 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 21, 2015, 09:31:00 pm
I thought it was all kinds of illegal to turn away customers based on gender, at least in most of the English speaking world.

Not in Canada, apparently.  This picture was taken in Toronto.

Nope, it's illegal in Ontario. (http://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90d12) (It's a matter of civil rights, which is a provincial responsibility per s. 92(13) of the Constitution Act, 1867.)

On the other hand, there are idiots who think civil rights laws are solely for the benefit of the underprivileged.  In which case, these people are in for a rude awakening.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on October 22, 2015, 10:15:11 am
They're in for a rude awakening anyways.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 22, 2015, 12:19:29 pm
Speaking of Canada:

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/amqeds.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 22, 2015, 12:25:24 pm
but he's a guy! sexism doesn't count for guys!

besides, all politicians are weasels, chances are you'd catch something horrible by sleeping with the guy. like a taste for politics.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 22, 2015, 02:59:59 pm
Is that sexist though? Remarking on the fuckability of a male politician? I can see inappropriate, disrespectful or objectifying as possibilities, but I don't see how sexism applies.

The usual claim that saying that of a woman would be sexist is because, as a general rule, women tend to be evaluated in terms of their looks in a way men aren't (cf. all those memes about whether conservative women are hotter than liberal ones). You can say that the fact Trudeau is being called fuckable proves that it doesn't just happen to women, but that's a single point vs a general pattern. And even then, at best you could say it's not sexist when done to women, not that it's sexist when done to men.

Maybe Jezebel is convinced that women are judged on their looks too often and men not often enough and are trying to balance the scales, as it were.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 22, 2015, 03:50:42 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 22, 2015, 02:59:59 pm
Is that sexist though? Remarking on the fuckability of a male politician? I can see inappropriate, disrespectful or objectifying as possibilities, but I don't see how sexism applies.

The usual claim that saying that of a woman would be sexist is because, as a general rule, women tend to be evaluated in terms of their looks in a way men aren't (cf. all those memes about whether conservative women are hotter than liberal ones). You can say that the fact Trudeau is being called fuckable proves that it doesn't just happen to women, but that's a single point vs a general pattern. And even then, at best you could say it's not sexist when done to women, not that it's sexist when done to men.

Maybe Jezebel is convinced that women are judged on their looks too often and men not often enough and are trying to balance the scales, as it were.

it can be considered sexist when the headline is "canadians elect a guy (familiar language, besides, sex is irrelevant in this case) named justin (no last name, condescending)..." the "uncontroversially fuckable" part is being a shithead. like, are we in farenheit 451 where looks matter in politics and the prettiest wins the presidency? i fail to see how this is not a two-way street.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 22, 2015, 09:02:45 pm
OK, but how is that sex-based? It's not like there's an overall trend of women being treated respectfully and men being treated on a first-name basis (or is there? I don't read Jezebel, maybe that's a thing with them).

They do say "guy", but that's more part of the informal style than anything. And I mean I know they don't fail to mention women are women when talking about them, either, so it's not different treatment by gender.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 22, 2015, 09:23:09 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 22, 2015, 09:02:45 pm
OK, but how is that sex-based? It's not like there's an overall trend of women being treated respectfully and men being treated on a first-name basis (or is there? I don't read Jezebel, maybe that's a thing with them).

They do say "guy", but that's more part of the informal style than anything. And I mean I know they don't fail to mention women are women when talking about them, either, so it's not different treatment by gender.

they could've used another sentence to say the same thing, for example, "canadians elect justin trudeau". same basic meaning, but the phrasing changes where the emphasis is put. sure, "guy" is informal, but when you add in the "guy named justin" (like any other joe shmoe you may come across) and when you add in the "fuckable" comment, it's objectifying his sex (gender? i'm confused). the more i read the headline, the more it's condescending, and i don't even like the guy. it is different treatment by gender because statistically speaking, women are the oddity. there's what, one woman for every five guys in politics? everybody assumes a politician is gonna be a guy (for better or worse), so why emphasize on the person's gender when they're in the majority if it's not to explicitely objectify, belittle, reduce, or ridicule them?

iirc, jezebel is the braindead kind of "grrrl power", so you can extrapolate from there "oh, they hired a justin to do a job a girl could do better". i'm not saying that's jezebel's intention, at least i hope not. perhaps i'm reading too much into it. but if i thought about it, some idiot might just think about it too and start a shitstorm.

disclaimer: i will consider jezebel a trashy tabloid until proven factual and respectable. i will consider trudeau a scumbag until proven competent (and even then, i leave room for doubt).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on October 22, 2015, 10:27:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/la6j2bD.jpg)

You could designate a place for the mosh pit. I'm sure there are solutions other than completely banning it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on October 22, 2015, 10:35:41 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 22, 2015, 09:23:09 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 22, 2015, 09:02:45 pm
OK, but how is that sex-based? It's not like there's an overall trend of women being treated respectfully and men being treated on a first-name basis (or is there? I don't read Jezebel, maybe that's a thing with them).

They do say "guy", but that's more part of the informal style than anything. And I mean I know they don't fail to mention women are women when talking about them, either, so it's not different treatment by gender.

they could've used another sentence to say the same thing, for example, "canadians elect justin trudeau". same basic meaning, but the phrasing changes where the emphasis is put. sure, "guy" is informal, but when you add in the "guy named justin" (like any other joe shmoe you may come across) and when you add in the "fuckable" comment, it's objectifying his sex (gender? i'm confused). the more i read the headline, the more it's condescending, and i don't even like the guy. it is different treatment by gender because statistically speaking, women are the oddity. there's what, one woman for every five guys in politics? everybody assumes a politician is gonna be a guy (for better or worse), so why emphasize on the person's gender when they're in the majority if it's not to explicitely objectify, belittle, reduce, or ridicule them?

iirc, jezebel is the braindead kind of "grrrl power", so you can extrapolate from there "oh, they hired a justin to do a job a girl could do better". i'm not saying that's jezebel's intention, at least i hope not. perhaps i'm reading too much into it. but if i thought about it, some idiot might just think about it too and start a shitstorm.

disclaimer: i will consider jezebel a trashy tabloid until proven factual and respectable. i will consider trudeau a scumbag until proven competent (and even then, i leave room for doubt).

You could just take the Kathleen Hanna approach. That works, too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 22, 2015, 10:45:35 pm
Quote from: Thejebusfire on October 22, 2015, 10:27:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/la6j2bD.jpg)

You could designate a place for the mosh pit. I'm sure there are solutions other than completely banning it.
Nope, banning is the only answer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 23, 2015, 07:43:58 am
Quote from: The_Queen on October 22, 2015, 10:35:41 pm
You could just take the Kathleen Hanna approach. That works, too.

what's the kathleen hanna approach? is it because i said i'll distrust until proven trustworthy?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on October 23, 2015, 06:46:28 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 23, 2015, 07:43:58 am
Quote from: The_Queen on October 22, 2015, 10:35:41 pm
You could just take the Kathleen Hanna approach. That works, too.

what's the kathleen hanna approach? is it because i said i'll distrust until proven trustworthy?

Kathleen Hanna was the lead singer of the pivotal punk bank Bikini Kill, which birthed a subgenre of punk known as Riot Grrrl. In the early 90's punk shows were notorious for sexual assaults, molestations, and even rape of girls and young women. This discouraged most women from attending punk shows or getting into the audience for fear of being victimized. Kathleen, being the in your face punk icon that she is, told the boys in the crowd to get to the back so that the girls could be in the front of the audience. She said that until girls could join other punk audiences without fear of assault, her shows would always be the safe space for women in punk. Her hard line stance with her audience, as well as having her boyfriend drop a major bomb on MTV after Woodstock 99, were crucial in causing other punk musicians to take the issue of sexual assault of young women seriously.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 23, 2015, 08:10:27 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on October 23, 2015, 06:46:28 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 23, 2015, 07:43:58 am
Quote from: The_Queen on October 22, 2015, 10:35:41 pm
You could just take the Kathleen Hanna approach. That works, too.

what's the kathleen hanna approach? is it because i said i'll distrust until proven trustworthy?

Kathleen Hanna was the lead singer of the pivotal punk bank Bikini Kill, which birthed a subgenre of punk known as Riot Grrrl. In the early 90's punk shows were notorious for sexual assaults, molestations, and even rape of girls and young women. This discouraged most women from attending punk shows or getting into the audience for fear of being victimized. Kathleen, being the in your face punk icon that she is, told the boys in the crowd to get to the back so that the girls could be in the front of the audience. She said that until girls could join other punk audiences without fear of assault, her shows would always be the safe space for women in punk. Her hard line stance with her audience, as well as having her boyfriend drop a major bomb on MTV after Woodstock 99, were crucial in causing other punk musicians to take the issue of sexual assault of young women seriously.

that's really cool of her, and smart to boot. but after rereading my post several times, the only conclusion i came to was that you misquoted and commented on the mosh pit pic. because i can't make out the link between my post and yours.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on October 23, 2015, 10:02:12 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 23, 2015, 08:10:27 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on October 23, 2015, 06:46:28 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 23, 2015, 07:43:58 am
Quote from: The_Queen on October 22, 2015, 10:35:41 pm
You could just take the Kathleen Hanna approach. That works, too.

what's the kathleen hanna approach? is it because i said i'll distrust until proven trustworthy?

Kathleen Hanna was the lead singer of the pivotal punk bank Bikini Kill, which birthed a subgenre of punk known as Riot Grrrl. In the early 90's punk shows were notorious for sexual assaults, molestations, and even rape of girls and young women. This discouraged most women from attending punk shows or getting into the audience for fear of being victimized. Kathleen, being the in your face punk icon that she is, told the boys in the crowd to get to the back so that the girls could be in the front of the audience. She said that until girls could join other punk audiences without fear of assault, her shows would always be the safe space for women in punk. Her hard line stance with her audience, as well as having her boyfriend drop a major bomb on MTV after Woodstock 99, were crucial in causing other punk musicians to take the issue of sexual assault of young women seriously.

that's really cool of her, and smart to boot. but after rereading my post several times, the only conclusion i came to was that you misquoted and commented on the mosh pit pic. because i can't make out the link between my post and yours.

My point, in relation to the mosh pit thing, was that if it is such an issue, simply tell the more aggressive moshers to do their shit in the back so that disabled people, smaller individuals, and others, can enjoy the show from the front. I mean, if you're moshing, you're really not up front watching the band play.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 23, 2015, 10:04:15 pm
ok, so it was a misquote, i got ya.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on October 23, 2015, 10:06:47 pm
Huh, didn't even notice it. I also said that Bikini Kill was a "bank," which would just be silly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 24, 2015, 12:49:29 pm
(http://oi62.tinypic.com/2yob9dx.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 24, 2015, 02:58:20 pm
Tumblr users drive an artist to attempting suicide and mock her for it

But it's okay because she drew a fat fictional character as skinny two years ago
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 24, 2015, 03:03:22 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on October 24, 2015, 02:58:20 pm
Tumblr users drive an artist to attempting suicide and mock her for it

But it's okay because she drew a fat fictional character as skinny two years ago

Do you have a link?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 24, 2015, 03:08:38 pm
Yeah, I call bullshit on that. Links or gtfo.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 24, 2015, 04:15:01 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 24, 2015, 03:08:38 pm
Yeah, I call bullshit on that. Links or gtfo.

No need to be so ridiculously defensive. It's not like this is the first time Tumblr users have driven someone to suicide in the name of social justice.

But since you asked:

http://zamii070.tumblr.com/post/131780573059 (http://zamii070.tumblr.com/post/131780573059)

Here's the artist's Tumblr blog in question, and the post where they talk about their suicide attempt and their subsequent hospital visit.

http://zamii070receipts.tumblr.com/list (http://zamii070receipts.tumblr.com/list)

Here's their "receipt blog", and a list of the supposedly terrible things they've done that make harassing them okay.

(https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/image-png.55511/)
(https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/image-png.55512/)

Image links of people who apparently feel no remorse for this.

(https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/screen-shot-2015-10-22-at-8-59-58-pm-png.55389/)

Apparently Zamii's suicide attempt "most likely" has nothing to do with the constant daily harassment she receives on her Tumblr, as well as on her DeviantART account, linked here:

http://zamii070.deviantart.com/art/Family-418270077 (http://zamii070.deviantart.com/art/Family-418270077)

Along with the picture that got people raging in the first place.

That enough links?

EDIT: Sorry about the aggressive tone. I didn't mean to come off like that. I was just... angry about seeing this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: IanC on October 24, 2015, 05:09:44 pm
Tumblr is a shithole. Hell 4chan is better than tumblr, imo.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 24, 2015, 05:20:02 pm
The claim sounded so much like a strawman that an asshole would make to discredit SJ discussions that I had that sort of attitude. Sorry.

Not saying you're an asshole, just. You know what I mean.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 24, 2015, 05:29:28 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 24, 2015, 05:20:02 pm
The claim sounded so much like a strawman that an asshole would make to discredit SJ discussions that I had that sort of attitude. Sorry.

Not saying you're an asshole, just. You know what I mean.

There's nothing wrong with skepticism, but you might want to be polite about it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 24, 2015, 05:34:54 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 24, 2015, 05:29:28 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 24, 2015, 05:20:02 pm
The claim sounded so much like a strawman that an asshole would make to discredit SJ discussions that I had that sort of attitude. Sorry.

Not saying you're an asshole, just. You know what I mean.

There's nothing wrong with skepticism, but you might want to be polite about it.

I already apologized for my own aggressive tone (edited the post for it). No need to start anything.

But yeah, this whole thing is pissing me off and that's kind of bleeding into other things.

EDIT:

http://eeveelutionsforequality.tumblr.com/post/131834458142/skeltalonheelys-rabbittiddy-americansylveon (http://eeveelutionsforequality.tumblr.com/post/131834458142/skeltalonheelys-rabbittiddy-americansylveon)

One more link - her video, after going through many reblogs, including quite a few people who pretty much went "lol she faked it". Disgusting excuses for humanity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 24, 2015, 07:31:39 pm
I'll give you credit, this is the first time in a while I've really gotten pissed off in this thread.

Seriously, anyone who thinks bullying someone for minor shit like that deserves to be punched in the face.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 24, 2015, 11:00:37 pm
Quote from: IanC on October 24, 2015, 05:09:44 pm
Tumblr is a shithole. Hell 4chan is better than tumblr, imo.
It's bad, but I don't think Tumblr ever egged someone on a shooting spree.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 24, 2015, 11:47:02 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 24, 2015, 11:00:37 pm
Quote from: IanC on October 24, 2015, 05:09:44 pm
Tumblr is a shithole. Hell 4chan is better than tumblr, imo.
It's bad, but I don't think Tumblr ever egged someone on a shooting spree.

Did that actually happen?  I thought it turned out to be a hoax.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on October 25, 2015, 12:42:13 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on October 24, 2015, 11:47:02 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on October 24, 2015, 11:00:37 pm
Quote from: IanC on October 24, 2015, 05:09:44 pm
Tumblr is a shithole. Hell 4chan is better than tumblr, imo.
It's bad, but I don't think Tumblr ever egged someone on a shooting spree.

Did that actually happen?  I thought it turned out to be a hoax.
Huh? I didn't hear about that.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 25, 2015, 12:45:10 am
Yeah the post times did not work out to match with egging on the shooting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 25, 2015, 08:48:04 am
horseshoe theory in action... i swear, it's scarier because those bullies are underage. i'd never've been caught dead saying anything meaner than putdowns on the internet when i was a teen (even now) and you've got kids who with sociopathic glee target a person with mental problems and in an abusive relationship to the point of suicide? geez, kick the dog, much?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 25, 2015, 11:33:54 am
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2yze78w.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 25, 2015, 11:52:52 am
ok, ultie, i read it three times and i still don't get it. which one is saying that mary-sues are bad and which one is for mary sues? and how is being the hero of your story a)the same as being a mary-sue (often, not always), and b) how is it a radical act?

last time i wrote a story, i was a mediocre electrician in a post-apocalyptic world who was an expert climber, so he always had to redo the ceiling's electric circuits. he had a knack for dodging and parrying attacks, but could not hit anything. it's easy to create a good protagonist without going into mary-sueism, but i fail to see how it's a radical act. hell, it was mostly wish-fulfilment in my case, because i can't understand electricity. and that was the point of the story. mary-sueism is wish fulfilment taken to its extreme, and it gets boring for the reader, but it's the best thing ever for an amateur writer self-insert.

that's the reason superman sucks kryptonian donkey balls.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 25, 2015, 11:58:09 am
The first one is a complaint about Mary Sues that says that rather than making a "perfect" self insert you should making characters that aren't "perfect."

The second one is defending Mary Sues because they are defending self insert characters.

Neither one of them is defending the annoying "perfect" Mary Sue that everyone loves and who is always "right" because they share the views of the writer. (which in my mind is really annoying and makes the story unlikeable.)

I don't even mind self inserts if they are done well and aren't annoying and I agree with the latter writer that putting a self insert into a story you write might be good for a teenager. ...It might not improve the story but not every story needs to be perfect anyway.

And for the record: not every character that is a self insert is a Mary Sue (at least with the definition that I am using.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cataclysm on October 25, 2015, 01:42:19 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSLU5MEUEAAI2mi.jpg)

http://thelinknewspaper.ca/article/no-to-movember

Poe or no?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: IanC on October 25, 2015, 01:50:15 pm
*headdesks*
Seriously? FFS. Prostate cancer is a hallmark of privilege. Deal with it.

Isn't movember dealing with it, by raising money to help treat and prevent it? Fucking hell. Just... seriously fuck you opinion writer. Fuck you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 25, 2015, 02:25:43 pm
Quote from: IanC on October 25, 2015, 01:50:15 pm
*headdesks*
Seriously? FFS. Prostate cancer is a hallmark of privilege. Deal with it.

Isn't movember dealing with it, by raising money to help treat and prevent it? Fucking hell. Just... seriously fuck you opinion writer. Fuck you.

it's like saying that because a short life expectancy is commonplace in the world, cancer is a 1st world problem. a) no it's not. b) it's callous. c) it's fractally wrong.

the "people have it worse" fallacy strikes again. also, what if a guy wants to grow a beard? or show some friggin' compassion? something this author clearly has no idea that the notion even exists.

reverse it for breast-cancer awareness, and you'd hear about misogyny from every shrub. this isn't even misandry. it's misanthropy. besides, if i had the funds, i'd rather donate to cancer research than to some get-rich-quick scheme hiding behind "give to oppressed women" or some other vague buzzword filled cause. at least with cancer research it benefits humanity as a whole, 1st or 3rd world (well, not in the case of prostate cancer, but my point still stands).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 25, 2015, 02:31:26 pm
That post really clonks my bonkers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 25, 2015, 05:06:23 pm
Yeah, people with prostrate cancer have so much privilege.  Like... dying! And... living in constant fear of a remission!

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 25, 2015, 05:09:46 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 25, 2015, 05:06:23 pm
Yeah, people with prostrate cancer have so much privilege.  Like... dying! And... living in constant fear of a remission!

isn't remission when the cancer abates?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on October 25, 2015, 05:12:03 pm
I think the word he meant was "recurrence."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 25, 2015, 05:41:09 pm
Yes, that ^^;
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 26, 2015, 10:24:24 am
A dear elderly friend of mine was just diagnosed with stage 3 prostate cancer. He's 87. He's toast. Fucking hell it makes me wanna slap a certain internet bitch.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 26, 2015, 09:40:03 pm
Here's Reddit's replacement for Victoria:

(http://oi58.tinypic.com/347dxsy.jpg)

"You can't possibly know that I'm a woman, because it was never mentioned, but you're sexist for disagreeing with me because I am one."

Reddit replaced a professional who knows how to do her job and does it well, with a professional victim who disregards the content creators and accuses them of "mansplaining" when they criticize her shitty work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 26, 2015, 09:51:18 pm
OK - I don't know much about this but where in this really very interesting conversation does she complain about sexism?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 26, 2015, 10:14:46 pm
UP. Please. Stop. You keep dropping these obscure screen caps with outraged commentary on them like so many little turd-y breadcrumbs, leading threads off the rails onto your usual tangents...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 26, 2015, 10:42:29 pm
Alright then.  Here's another.

(http://oi60.tinypic.com/24dprgy.jpg)

I'm sure the Chinese and Mexican restaurants in my town would love to lose 90% of their income.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 26, 2015, 10:51:52 pm
These things are always premised on such a flimsy basis. The poster presumes to speak for the entirety of their community like it is some sort of hivemind. It speaks very badly of the poster as to how they see themselves, their community and the rest of whoever makeup wherever they live.

It would be as absurd as me saying that I speak for all Australians, or all really good looking people. Just because I am a member of part of a group provides no basis for me to speak for everyone in that group. It's stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 26, 2015, 11:06:36 pm
http://investigations.peta.org/breed-specific-protection/

Witness PETA, the same group who advocated for the end of the Pitbull Breed, now calling for all across the board Pitbull Mandatory spaying and neutering as if it is for the good of the Pitbulls. The same Pitbulls they are on record as wanting gone.

No, PETA, just because you put out a good little article, that doesn't mean everyone will forgive and forget your high kill rates and your bizarre and nihilistic ideals.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 27, 2015, 03:22:26 am
The guy UP is quoting does have a point, though? People who think they're "worldly" and "enlightened" and that they "understand the culture so deeply now" when they eat foreign food or wear a foreign piece of clothing (especially if that piece of clothing is something sacred or culturally significant and they're just wearing it as a cool quirky accessory) or know a few bits of a foreign language or whatever are obnoxious as shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Id82 on October 27, 2015, 03:38:49 am
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12193763_2603957460417_5104724025568381456_n.jpg?oh=ca68357ccbb63e54100cf36e6830753b&oe=56C6FDFB)

I found this post on facebook. I'm not sure if what I'm posting is considered the worst of Social Justice, but I've been seeing a lot of posts like these from black friends.
I know African American people have not had it easy in this country, in the past or even now, and I know that me being born a white male has awarded me with privileges that are out of my control, or that even I take for granted. But according to this image it seems that there is no way for me not to be racist in the eyes of a black person. Some of those are indeed racist, but everybody goes through some kind of discrimination in their life and it kind of pisses me off when a black person says that I have no right to feel oppressed or discriminated against because I'm a white man. Or that because I'm a white man that I have no idea what they're going through or have gone through or can't feel sympathy for them.  I may not be discriminated because of the color of my skin, but I am definitely discriminated against for my beliefs. My wife coming from a poor family was denied certain benefits because she is a white woman.
In a way it seems to turn into all blacks can do nothing wrong but all white people are bad. Isn't that way of thinking racism on it's own? At what point does it become racism or become ok to call it racism?
Isn't there some way to find some middle ground on understanding one another?
Or maybe I just don't get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvD9TawMqCY
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cloud3514 on October 27, 2015, 04:08:32 am
That Bingo card is filled with really shitty arguments against the Black Lives Matter movement and I've personally seen almost every one of those arguments used, universally by white people. The issue of systematic racism doesn't invalidate other kinds of discrimination, but the thing is, no one has ever said it does.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 27, 2015, 04:35:09 am
Thing is, bringing up the systemic issues white people might face in the west on the basis of factors other than their whiteness when black people are discussing their own specific discrimination is derailing the discourse. "Oh, hey, you were talking about systemic racism too much for my tastes, let's just steer the conversation back to white people, the group enforcing this systemic racism in the first place". You know?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 27, 2015, 08:56:32 am
according to that bingo card i'm three parts casually racist. i don't see race beyond the human race, and i'm annoyed by sjw's. ok, then whatever you want to keep spreading irrational hatred, buddy.

re: the "worldly" quote. that's not what worldly means. worldly means that you've seen the world and its different spheres.

i'm not worldly because i work with an algerian, or because i love indian food. i'm not worldly because my new job gets me in contact with foreigners either (being a translator, it's a given). i'm worldly because i've been to three and a half continents, and seen the people there, and partook in their daily lives. just like i've slummed it with gutter punks under a bridge and been invited to philanthropist get-togethers. but i know my place, in a cabin in the woods with a select few good friends enjoying a dinner cooked over an open fire.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on October 27, 2015, 01:38:19 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 27, 2015, 08:56:32 am
according to that bingo card i'm three parts casually racist. i don't see race beyond the human race, and i'm annoyed by sjw's. ok, then whatever you want to keep spreading irrational hatred, buddy.

To be fair, a lot of racists and idiots in the wrong do like to use those things as excuses, I've  been called an sjw over things when I'm the farthest thing from one in the tumblria sense of the word.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on October 27, 2015, 03:32:11 pm
Quote from: Id82 on October 27, 2015, 03:38:49 am
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12193763_2603957460417_5104724025568381456_n.jpg?oh=ca68357ccbb63e54100cf36e6830753b&oe=56C6FDFB)
Hmm... I'm ok with white dreads (it's a fashion faux pas, but I'm not really sure it's cultural appropriation, or at least it's a benign form of it), and I've been bullied for being white (spent most of my life in a country with a white minority tho, I realise that it wouldn't really be the same if I had grown up where I live now.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 27, 2015, 04:06:30 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 27, 2015, 04:35:09 am
Thing is, bringing up the systemic issues white people might face in the west on the basis of factors other than their whiteness when black people are discussing their own specific discrimination is derailing the discourse. "Oh, hey, you were talking about systemic racism too much for my tastes, let's just steer the conversation back to white people, the group enforcing this systemic racism in the first place". You know?

I think that's too broad? Discussing various kinds of systemic issues is not always derailing the discourse. E.g. a black person can talk about feeling uncomfortable in a context with lots of racist jokes, I can share my experience in groups where homophobic jokes are common. Would talking about my personal experiences be "bringing it back to white people"?


(I mean, I'm not exactly white but you get the idea, I'm not discriminated against on the basis of my ethnicity in my society)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 27, 2015, 04:43:28 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 27, 2015, 04:06:30 pm
(I mean, I'm not exactly white but you get the idea, I'm not discriminated against on the basis of my ethnicity in my society)

naw, but see? yer a lah-tea-noe. yer erpinion don't count as white.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 27, 2015, 05:07:41 pm
I still want to know the exact definition of "white". We can talk about white people until we're blue in the face, but you need an exact definition to get anywhere. Are Castilians white? What about Turks? Cubans? Algerians?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on October 27, 2015, 05:12:52 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on October 27, 2015, 05:07:41 pm
I still want to know the exact definition of "white". We can talk about white people until we're blue in the face, but you need an exact definition to get anywhere. Are Castilians white? What about Turks? Cubans? Algerians?

To bastardize Potter Stewart, I can't define what a white person is, but I know one when I see one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 27, 2015, 06:39:44 pm
Quote from: dpareja on October 27, 2015, 05:12:52 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on October 27, 2015, 05:07:41 pm
I still want to know the exact definition of "white". We can talk about white people until we're blue in the face, but you need an exact definition to get anywhere. Are Castilians white? What about Turks? Cubans? Algerians?

To bastardize Potter Stewart, I can't define what a white person is, but I know one when I see one.

But that's not always the case. Sure, there are the obviously white groups - people of English and German ancestry, for example. But there's also dubiously white groups. Again, Turks for example. Are they white? Most would say no, but ethnically speaking, they're not too different from Greeks or Serbians at this point, and most would consider those two groups white.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 27, 2015, 06:43:01 pm
As for white - I like sigma's idea in the sense that we are talking about whether you are discriminated against in your society because of your ethnicity. Now in my society I am not. I have however experienced the really weird feeling of being a minority while in certain countries. The reason the feeling was really weird was because there was a wide spread feeling that my ethnicity actually made me better. It resulted in obvious unsubtle systemic favouritism. Stuff like not having to wait in line, being literally pushed to the front of lines, waived through police checkpoints, when literally every other person was being frisked. There was some downers but most of it was positive. The funny thing was even with most of it being nice it was really uncomfortable. I can't imagine how awful that would be systemically in reverse.

As for the appropriation thing. First I agree that if you think you are an expert on all things japanese because you eat at Sushi train and say  'Moshi moshi' when you answer the phone makes you a wanker. But its not cultural appropriation and it's not an erasure of a particular culture. Nor is getting kitted up in a kimono, wearing dreads, saris or bindis. There are other things which involve the fetishing or misappropriation of matters which are of cultural significance or taboo. But mostly trying to learn another language, trying new foods and exploring a foreign culture are good things. Most people who are in that culture appreciate it. The problem really seems to me that you have Americans, with a particular ethnic identification, who feel that you are stealing their thing, oftentimes when they have never been to that country themselves. Now I understand why these Americans are a bit pissy about this. They were probably marginalized or made to feel like shit for being of whatever ethnic extraction and now to have all the arseholes you were at school with jump on your bandwagon as soon as it's cool and diluting your cred would suck. But it's not a real social justice issue, so much as a proliferation of wankers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 28, 2015, 01:49:32 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 27, 2015, 04:06:30 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 27, 2015, 04:35:09 am
Thing is, bringing up the systemic issues white people might face in the west on the basis of factors other than their whiteness when black people are discussing their own specific discrimination is derailing the discourse. "Oh, hey, you were talking about systemic racism too much for my tastes, let's just steer the conversation back to white people, the group enforcing this systemic racism in the first place". You know?

I think that's too broad? Discussing various kinds of systemic issues is not always derailing the discourse. E.g. a black person can talk about feeling uncomfortable in a context with lots of racist jokes, I can share my experience in groups where homophobic jokes are common. Would talking about my personal experiences be "bringing it back to white people"?


(I mean, I'm not exactly white but you get the idea, I'm not discriminated against on the basis of my ethnicity in my society)

Bringing up systemic issues that white people face in and of itself isn't derailing the discourse, never said it was. The issues exist and merit discussion. What I'm talking about is the following:

Let's say that there's a thread for systemic antiblack racism here at FQA. This thread is specifically for that. Out of the blue, someone jumps in and wants to make the conversation about white people suffering classism or ableism instead. The topic isn't inherently derailing, but bringing it up in that specific thread is. A new thread could be made for that purpose, but instead the thread about antiblack racism is being derailed to talk about white issues.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 28, 2015, 05:21:26 am
Quote from: Even Then on October 28, 2015, 01:49:32 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 27, 2015, 04:06:30 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 27, 2015, 04:35:09 am
Thing is, bringing up the systemic issues white people might face in the west on the basis of factors other than their whiteness when black people are discussing their own specific discrimination is derailing the discourse. "Oh, hey, you were talking about systemic racism too much for my tastes, let's just steer the conversation back to white people, the group enforcing this systemic racism in the first place". You know?

I think that's too broad? Discussing various kinds of systemic issues is not always derailing the discourse. E.g. a black person can talk about feeling uncomfortable in a context with lots of racist jokes, I can share my experience in groups where homophobic jokes are common. Would talking about my personal experiences be "bringing it back to white people"?


(I mean, I'm not exactly white but you get the idea, I'm not discriminated against on the basis of my ethnicity in my society)

Bringing up systemic issues that white people face in and of itself isn't derailing the discourse, never said it was. The issues exist and merit discussion. What I'm talking about is the following:

Let's say that there's a thread for systemic antiblack racism here at FQA. This thread is specifically for that. Out of the blue, someone jumps in and wants to make the conversation about white people suffering classism or ableism instead. The topic isn't inherently derailing, but bringing it up in that specific thread is. A new thread could be made for that purpose, but instead the thread about antiblack racism is being derailed to talk about white issues.

it's a valid point, but what about in societies where the racism is flipped, like in southern africa? could we draw a parallel without derailing?

also, davedan, where did you go? that seems odd. i went to malaysia and was objectified by my "foreign beauty", and that made me really uncomfortable, but never have i experienced something like that, beyond the "french is so sexy" i experienced in the usa. (off-topic, i was there in the bush years meaning that it was half "sexy" and half "surrendering cheese monkeys").
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 28, 2015, 05:24:09 am
It was terribly noticeable in Bangladesh.

Edit: Although I have employed the 'melanin pass card' in other places as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 28, 2015, 09:16:23 am
Antiwhite sentiment in Africa isn't really a 100% flip of white superiority in the West because of a number of factors,  but I do see what you mean. And honestly, I don't know. I don't feel qualified to comment on African discrimination discourse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on October 28, 2015, 11:46:40 am
Quote from: guizonde on October 28, 2015, 05:21:26 am
Quote from: Even Then on October 28, 2015, 01:49:32 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 27, 2015, 04:06:30 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 27, 2015, 04:35:09 am
Thing is, bringing up the systemic issues white people might face in the west on the basis of factors other than their whiteness when black people are discussing their own specific discrimination is derailing the discourse. "Oh, hey, you were talking about systemic racism too much for my tastes, let's just steer the conversation back to white people, the group enforcing this systemic racism in the first place". You know?

I think that's too broad? Discussing various kinds of systemic issues is not always derailing the discourse. E.g. a black person can talk about feeling uncomfortable in a context with lots of racist jokes, I can share my experience in groups where homophobic jokes are common. Would talking about my personal experiences be "bringing it back to white people"?


(I mean, I'm not exactly white but you get the idea, I'm not discriminated against on the basis of my ethnicity in my society)

Bringing up systemic issues that white people face in and of itself isn't derailing the discourse, never said it was. The issues exist and merit discussion. What I'm talking about is the following:

Let's say that there's a thread for systemic antiblack racism here at FQA. This thread is specifically for that. Out of the blue, someone jumps in and wants to make the conversation about white people suffering classism or ableism instead. The topic isn't inherently derailing, but bringing it up in that specific thread is. A new thread could be made for that purpose, but instead the thread about antiblack racism is being derailed to talk about white issues.

it's a valid point, but what about in societies where the racism is flipped, like in southern africa? could we draw a parallel without derailing?

also, davedan, where did you go? that seems odd. i went to malaysia and was objectified by my "foreign beauty", and that made me really uncomfortable, but never have i experienced something like that, beyond the "french is so sexy" i experienced in the usa. (off-topic, i was there in the bush years meaning that it was half "sexy" and half "surrendering cheese monkeys").


Off topic, I never did git why the "cheese eating" bit of that was there. I mean, what's wrong with cheese? No need to discriminate against certain dairy products.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 28, 2015, 12:16:26 pm
It's from Simpsons. Due to budget cuts or something Groundskeeper Willie is teaching French classes. He starts by saying "Bonjour you cheese eating surrender monkeys" in a horrible accent.

And then some magazine copied that phrase to mock the French when they refused to join USA in the "Coalition of the willing."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 28, 2015, 12:20:40 pm
Quote from: Svata on October 28, 2015, 11:46:40 am
Quote from: guizonde on October 28, 2015, 05:21:26 am
Quote from: Even Then on October 28, 2015, 01:49:32 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 27, 2015, 04:06:30 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 27, 2015, 04:35:09 am
Thing is, bringing up the systemic issues white people might face in the west on the basis of factors other than their whiteness when black people are discussing their own specific discrimination is derailing the discourse. "Oh, hey, you were talking about systemic racism too much for my tastes, let's just steer the conversation back to white people, the group enforcing this systemic racism in the first place". You know?

I think that's too broad? Discussing various kinds of systemic issues is not always derailing the discourse. E.g. a black person can talk about feeling uncomfortable in a context with lots of racist jokes, I can share my experience in groups where homophobic jokes are common. Would talking about my personal experiences be "bringing it back to white people"?


(I mean, I'm not exactly white but you get the idea, I'm not discriminated against on the basis of my ethnicity in my society)

Bringing up systemic issues that white people face in and of itself isn't derailing the discourse, never said it was. The issues exist and merit discussion. What I'm talking about is the following:

Let's say that there's a thread for systemic antiblack racism here at FQA. This thread is specifically for that. Out of the blue, someone jumps in and wants to make the conversation about white people suffering classism or ableism instead. The topic isn't inherently derailing, but bringing it up in that specific thread is. A new thread could be made for that purpose, but instead the thread about antiblack racism is being derailed to talk about white issues.

it's a valid point, but what about in societies where the racism is flipped, like in southern africa? could we draw a parallel without derailing?

also, davedan, where did you go? that seems odd. i went to malaysia and was objectified by my "foreign beauty", and that made me really uncomfortable, but never have i experienced something like that, beyond the "french is so sexy" i experienced in the usa. (off-topic, i was there in the bush years meaning that it was half "sexy" and half "surrendering cheese monkeys").


Off topic, I never did git why the "cheese eating" bit of that was there. I mean, what's wrong with cheese? No need to discriminate against certain dairy products.

I think it's meant to have connotations of being effete and pretentious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 28, 2015, 12:22:27 pm
Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUjGf2Grrus

This is what started it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 28, 2015, 01:06:17 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 28, 2015, 01:49:32 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on October 27, 2015, 04:06:30 pm
Quote from: Even Then on October 27, 2015, 04:35:09 am
Thing is, bringing up the systemic issues white people might face in the west on the basis of factors other than their whiteness when black people are discussing their own specific discrimination is derailing the discourse. "Oh, hey, you were talking about systemic racism too much for my tastes, let's just steer the conversation back to white people, the group enforcing this systemic racism in the first place". You know?

I think that's too broad? Discussing various kinds of systemic issues is not always derailing the discourse. E.g. a black person can talk about feeling uncomfortable in a context with lots of racist jokes, I can share my experience in groups where homophobic jokes are common. Would talking about my personal experiences be "bringing it back to white people"?


(I mean, I'm not exactly white but you get the idea, I'm not discriminated against on the basis of my ethnicity in my society)

Bringing up systemic issues that white people face in and of itself isn't derailing the discourse, never said it was. The issues exist and merit discussion. What I'm talking about is the following:

Let's say that there's a thread for systemic antiblack racism here at FQA. This thread is specifically for that. Out of the blue, someone jumps in and wants to make the conversation about white people suffering classism or ableism instead. The topic isn't inherently derailing, but bringing it up in that specific thread is. A new thread could be made for that purpose, but instead the thread about antiblack racism is being derailed to talk about white issues.

Alright, we're on the same page then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 28, 2015, 02:50:57 pm
http://www.dailydot.com/geek/steven-universe-fanartist-bullied-controversy/ (http://www.dailydot.com/geek/steven-universe-fanartist-bullied-controversy/)

Honestly I never thought it would make it to the news, but here's Zamii again. This time along with the show's creators getting attacked!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on October 28, 2015, 03:38:23 pm
This reminds me of a thing I've wanted to bring up, but never really got a chance to; Tumblr's weird double standard when it comes to fan art and fan artist. I've seen it a lot where people praise an artist for drawing a normally skinny character fat or a normally white character black ect, but the minute people do the inverse they get drudged upon or called racist an all sorts of other colorful words. Why? Last I checked this was fan art this is how a fan interprets a particular character why does it matter how they draw them?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cloud3514 on October 28, 2015, 04:08:16 pm
I would wager the reason they celebrate drawing a thing character as fat or a white character as black has to do with underrepresentation for bigger folks and minorities. There's an interesting and potentially important discussion in there involving fan art and how creators view it.

EDIT: I kinda lost track of my thought. Deleted the rest of the post for irrelevance to the discussion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 28, 2015, 05:11:55 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/jr7mo5.jpg)

#LiterallyPizarro
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 28, 2015, 06:55:56 pm
I thought that had to be a parody but I checked the blog and it doesn't look like it. Damn.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 28, 2015, 07:10:03 pm
objectively speaking, that's a really clever picture, would be awesome if it was fifty stones (48, i guess, since there's no hawaii or alaska) taken from their representative state.

re: the tumblrina... really?! where the hell do you live, land-thief? (i'm betting that's not a native american getting their panties in a bunch over a picture).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on October 28, 2015, 11:31:56 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 28, 2015, 07:10:03 pm
re: the tumblrina... really?! where the hell do you live, land-thief?

He's probably one of those rare white-and-delightsome Lamanites who was given the land untouched by man they talk about in the Book of Mormon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on October 29, 2015, 12:28:09 am
Remember that artist who got harassed to the point of suicide?

(http://oi65.tinypic.com/jsm7x2.jpg)

There are no words for how angry I am right now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cloud3514 on October 29, 2015, 12:43:26 am
Huh. I agree with Paragon on something. Someone check Hell's temperature and see if pigs have evolved wings, please.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 29, 2015, 08:51:04 am
to be fair, it is really horrible. like, get-a-massive-desire-to-get-skulls-for-the-skull-throne horrible.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 29, 2015, 09:13:01 am
If you get so mad over a drawing on the internet you feel the need to drive some kid to suicide, your life is objectively worthless and perhaps you should kill yourself instead.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 29, 2015, 09:14:32 am
Even if its just stick figures, this kid's produced more of worth than the shitheels fuckin with her.  Combined.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 29, 2015, 11:49:06 am
All she's been accused of was drawing some fanart the fandom didn't like.  And they went insane over it.  It's just....wow guys really?

Ironbite-and yeah, I do believe she legit almost killed herself so yeah I'm agreeing with UP on this.  Check Hell for a blizzard
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 29, 2015, 11:56:05 am
Quote from: Ironchew on October 28, 2015, 11:31:56 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 28, 2015, 07:10:03 pm
re: the tumblrina... really?! where the hell do you live, land-thief?

He's probably one of those rare white-and-delightsome Lamanites who was given the land untouched by man they talk about in the Book of Mormon.

The tumblrite in question is a black woman. Presumably she only blames white people for stealing land.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cataclysm on October 29, 2015, 04:33:51 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSgr4DPVAAAhAw2.jpg:small)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 29, 2015, 04:39:27 pm
Quote from: Cataclysm on October 29, 2015, 04:33:51 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSgr4DPVAAAhAw2.jpg:small)

not to sound ignorant or anything, but how does that even work?

brb, my pasta is raping me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on October 29, 2015, 05:01:52 pm
You ARE having that pasta's child, you total slut.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 29, 2015, 05:21:00 pm
And I'm raping oxygen
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 29, 2015, 05:29:08 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on October 29, 2015, 05:01:52 pm
You ARE having that pasta's child, you total slut.

this is going straight to the random sentences thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on October 29, 2015, 05:56:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 29, 2015, 05:21:00 pm
And I'm raping oxygen

The way I see it, oxygen gas wouldn't be wearing those valence electrons unless it secretly wanted it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 29, 2015, 06:20:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 29, 2015, 05:56:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 29, 2015, 05:21:00 pm
And I'm raping oxygen

The way I see it, oxygen gas wouldn't be wearing those valence electrons unless it secretly wanted it.

Oxygen will bond to anything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on October 29, 2015, 06:27:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/AxVHOGu.jpg)

-Edit-
This picture is replacing an already posted picture.  Hopefully this one hasn't been posted before.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on October 29, 2015, 06:34:25 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on October 29, 2015, 06:20:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 29, 2015, 05:56:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 29, 2015, 05:21:00 pm
And I'm raping oxygen

The way I see it, oxygen gas wouldn't be wearing those valence electrons unless it secretly wanted it.

Oxygen will bond to anything.

Stop slutshaming oxygen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 29, 2015, 07:06:26 pm
hey kat, that's a repost from two or three pages back.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on October 29, 2015, 07:24:09 pm
Quote from: Svata on October 29, 2015, 06:34:25 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on October 29, 2015, 06:20:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 29, 2015, 05:56:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 29, 2015, 05:21:00 pm
And I'm raping oxygen

The way I see it, oxygen gas wouldn't be wearing those valence electrons unless it secretly wanted it.

Oxygen will bond to anything.

Stop slutshaming oxygen.

Still better than krypton. Such a prude in public, but get it alone with some fluorine and make it really cold...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on October 29, 2015, 07:30:44 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 29, 2015, 07:06:26 pm
hey kat, that's a repost from two or three pages back.

Sorry about that.  I don't check as often, so I will go back and change the post.

-Edit-
Here is a sign from a PC/helicopter parent since we're getting close to Halloween.  Yeah, that first suggestion will be such a hit with the kids:
(click to show/hide)
I'm not trying to make light of potentially life threatening food allergies.  Obviously, this parent hasn't heard of the Teal Pumpkin Project (http://www.foodallergy.org/teal-pumpkin-project).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 29, 2015, 09:22:31 pm
Quote from: dpareja on October 29, 2015, 07:24:09 pm
Quote from: Svata on October 29, 2015, 06:34:25 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on October 29, 2015, 06:20:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 29, 2015, 05:56:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 29, 2015, 05:21:00 pm
And I'm raping oxygen

The way I see it, oxygen gas wouldn't be wearing those valence electrons unless it secretly wanted it.

Oxygen will bond to anything.

Stop slutshaming oxygen.

Still better than krypton. Such a prude in public, but get it alone with some fluorine and make it really cold...


At least it doesn't alpha decay like Uranium-235.  Seriously, one minute, you have perfectly usable U-235 and the next, BOOM!  All your left with is some shitty Thorium-231.  Can't make up its fucking mind what it wants to be because its so unstable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on October 29, 2015, 10:24:55 pm
Quote from: dpareja on October 29, 2015, 07:24:09 pm
Quote from: Svata on October 29, 2015, 06:34:25 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on October 29, 2015, 06:20:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 29, 2015, 05:56:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 29, 2015, 05:21:00 pm
And I'm raping oxygen

The way I see it, oxygen gas wouldn't be wearing those valence electrons unless it secretly wanted it.

Oxygen will bond to anything.

Stop slutshaming oxygen.

Still better than krypton. Such a prude in public, but get it alone with some fluorine and make it really cold...
Now, I'm not element-ist (elementalists are a thing already. And something completely different) the cold fluorine is the problem there. Just look what he did with oxygen... FOOF! (No, seriously. Shit reacts with gold, and violently with water-ice.) And anytime five+ fluorines get together? Bad times are had by all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on October 29, 2015, 10:36:17 pm
Quote from: Svata on October 29, 2015, 10:24:55 pm
Quote from: dpareja on October 29, 2015, 07:24:09 pm
Quote from: Svata on October 29, 2015, 06:34:25 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on October 29, 2015, 06:20:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 29, 2015, 05:56:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 29, 2015, 05:21:00 pm
And I'm raping oxygen

The way I see it, oxygen gas wouldn't be wearing those valence electrons unless it secretly wanted it.

Oxygen will bond to anything.

Stop slutshaming oxygen.

Still better than krypton. Such a prude in public, but get it alone with some fluorine and make it really cold...
Nah, the fluorine is the problem there. Just look what he did with oxygen... FOOF!

True. Fluorine is a master at that. Radon, xenon and even argon have succumbed to its wiles (though argon needed a bit of encouragement from hydrogen).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 29, 2015, 10:36:43 pm
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111134695/3960185-0297427254-1516..jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on October 29, 2015, 10:42:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/tPkdKlq.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on October 29, 2015, 10:44:55 pm
Quote from: dpareja on October 29, 2015, 10:36:17 pm
Quote from: Svata on October 29, 2015, 10:24:55 pm
Quote from: dpareja on October 29, 2015, 07:24:09 pm
Quote from: Svata on October 29, 2015, 06:34:25 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on October 29, 2015, 06:20:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 29, 2015, 05:56:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 29, 2015, 05:21:00 pm
And I'm raping oxygen

The way I see it, oxygen gas wouldn't be wearing those valence electrons unless it secretly wanted it.

Oxygen will bond to anything.

Stop slutshaming oxygen.

Still better than krypton. Such a prude in public, but get it alone with some fluorine and make it really cold...
Nah, the fluorine is the problem there. Just look what he did with oxygen... FOOF!

True. Fluorine is a master at that.


Indeed. Look up "sand won't save you this time". See what just three of them do to chlorine.
(click to show/hide)

Quote
Radon, xenon and even argon have succumbed to its wiles (though argon needed a bit of encouragement from hydrogen).
Argon? When those two get together with antimony, shit gets REAL. Fluoroantimonic acid, guys.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on October 29, 2015, 11:03:45 pm
Quote from: Kat S. on October 29, 2015, 10:42:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/tPkdKlq.png)

Do you even know who that is? She's like the modern queen of punk rock. I was lucky enough to attend one of her shows and get one of her guitar picks. Putting anything from her in this thread speaks more about yourself than it does her.

She's also right in that the concept of "biological gender" is bullshit, ad hoc, nonsense to say that transsexuals are the not gender they identify as (which, from the context of the message, appears to be what's happening there). There is no single biological factor that is dispositive for the purposes of "gender." A lot of correlation, but nothing dispositive. Shivahn posted a great rant on the topic many years ago, addressing the issue in far more detail than I care to go into.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on October 29, 2015, 11:16:38 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on October 29, 2015, 11:03:45 pm
Quote from: Kat S. on October 29, 2015, 10:42:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/tPkdKlq.png)

Do you even know who that is? She's like the modern queen of punk rock. I was lucky enough to attend one of her shows and get one of her guitar picks. Putting anything from her in this thread speaks more about yourself than it does her.

She's also right in that the concept of "biological gender" is bullshit, ad hoc, nonsense to say that transsexuals are the not gender they identify as (which, from the context of the message, appears to be what's happening there). There is no single biological factor that is dispositive for the purposes of "gender." A lot of correlation, but nothing dispositive. Shivahn posted a great rant on the topic many years ago, addressing the issue in far more detail than I care to go into.

Sorry about that.  I didn't mean to offend anyone here.  I'm doing terrible on this thread so far today, so I guess I'll stop while I'm behind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 29, 2015, 11:28:47 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on October 29, 2015, 11:03:45 pm
Quote from: Kat S. on October 29, 2015, 10:42:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/tPkdKlq.png)

Do you even know who that is? She's like the modern queen of punk rock. I was lucky enough to attend one of her shows and get one of her guitar picks. Putting anything from her in this thread speaks more about yourself than it does her.

She's also right in that the concept of "biological gender" is bullshit, ad hoc, nonsense to say that transsexuals are the not gender they identify as (which, from the context of the message, appears to be what's happening there). There is no single biological factor that is dispositive for the purposes of "gender." A lot of correlation, but nothing dispositive. Shivahn posted a great rant on the topic many years ago, addressing the issue in far more detail than I care to go into.

um, famous and notorious people are just regular people, so sometimes they can be wrong or say things the wrong way. i'm with the quote's sentiment, but not the way the message is written. one offhand, one ad hominem, and one returning the question does not make for good argumentation, objectively. also, since when do punks obey hierarchy?
really not trying to start a war. i thought that traditionally males were xy chromosomes and women xx. doesn't that count as "biological gender"? or is that "biological sex"? and i'm not touching the trans issue with a ten-foot pole, seeing as it's a sore spot just by looking at it for some people and i don't want to offend anyone today.
also, whether to classify trans as biological or neurological or both, i'm just plain out of my league to even attempt answering, but i thought it was a mix of both. please correct me if i'm wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on October 29, 2015, 11:47:34 pm
Quote from: guizonde on October 29, 2015, 11:28:47 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on October 29, 2015, 11:03:45 pm
Quote from: Kat S. on October 29, 2015, 10:42:40 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/tPkdKlq.png)

Do you even know who that is? She's like the modern queen of punk rock. I was lucky enough to attend one of her shows and get one of her guitar picks. Putting anything from her in this thread speaks more about yourself than it does her.

She's also right in that the concept of "biological gender" is bullshit, ad hoc, nonsense to say that transsexuals are the not gender they identify as (which, from the context of the message, appears to be what's happening there). There is no single biological factor that is dispositive for the purposes of "gender." A lot of correlation, but nothing dispositive. Shivahn posted a great rant on the topic many years ago, addressing the issue in far more detail than I care to go into.

um, famous and notorious people are just regular people, so sometimes they can be wrong or say things the wrong way. i'm with the quote's sentiment, but not the way the message is written. one offhand, one ad hominem, and one returning the question does not make for good argumentation, objectively. also, since when do punks obey hierarchy?
really not trying to start a war. i thought that traditionally males were xy chromosomes and women xx. doesn't that count as "biological gender"? or is that "biological sex"? and i'm not touching the trans issue with a ten-foot pole, seeing as it's a sore spot just by looking at it for some people and i don't want to offend anyone today.
also, whether to classify trans as biological or neurological or both, i'm just plain out of my league to even attempt answering, but i thought it was a mix of both. please correct me if i'm wrong.

The problem with chromosomes is that there is great deal more variation than simply XX and XY. As a nonexhaustive list: XXYY (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXYY_syndrome), XXY Klinefelter syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome), XXY non-Klinefelter syndrom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Klinefelter_XXY), Complete Androgen insensitivity syndrom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome), turner syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome), and Triple X Syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_X_syndrome). All of these indicate that there is much greater diversity to chromosomes than simply XX and XY, and yet we still recognize all of these individuals as either male or female. Thus, chromosomes are not dispositive for the purpose of gender. Thus some other phenomenon in isolation or a combination of traits (which would certainly weigh in favor of recognizing transsexuals as their identified gender) must account for this definition of "biologically male/female."

ETA: I'm sorry that Laura wasn't the perfectly dainty little girl you wanted. I'm sorry that when someone tried to dictate her gender to her, she responded that he can go fuck himself and that his concept was bullshit. I'm sorry that transsexuals who are more likely to say "fuck off" to conservative trolls*--who unironically support Donald Fucking Trump--on twitter deserve the label SJW. I'm sorry that... actually, I'm not sorry for anything. You have some growing up to do, son.

*This asshole, while arguing with Laura calls SRS cosmetic, says that gays and transsexuals "demand new laws and shove [their lifestyles] down [our] throats," baits her with pronouns, essentially equates BlackLivesMatter to a rogue posse of vigilantes, and says only people who pay a federal income tax should be able to vote.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 30, 2015, 12:04:33 am
ok, i read up a bit, turns out that i was talking about biological sex, not gender. stupid language barrier. now, my curiosity is piqued. where does transsexuality (or is that transgenderness) come from? neuro or bio? after reading up, it could go either way. any idea?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on October 30, 2015, 12:09:06 am
Quote from: guizonde on October 30, 2015, 12:04:33 am
ok, i read up a bit, turns out that i was talking about biological sex, not gender. stupid language barrier. now, my curiosity is piqued. where does transsexuality (or is that transgenderness) come from? neuro or bio? after reading up, it could go either way. any idea?

Would it kill you to look on google fucking scholar. The answer is still unknown, though the current belief is that the brain and the physical body develop during different trimesters (the physical sex organs develop during the second while the brain develops during the first, or vice versa).

And I use sex and gender interchangeably because I think the nuance is silly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 30, 2015, 12:36:10 am
Quote from: The_Queen on October 30, 2015, 12:09:06 am
Quote from: guizonde on October 30, 2015, 12:04:33 am
ok, i read up a bit, turns out that i was talking about biological sex, not gender. stupid language barrier. now, my curiosity is piqued. where does transsexuality (or is that transgenderness) come from? neuro or bio? after reading up, it could go either way. any idea?

Would it kill you to look on google fucking scholar.

Would it kill you to be motherfucking polite? Guizonde asked a fair question, probably on the basis of "Queen likely knows more about this than I do, therefore, someone to reasonably ask about something I have no knowledge of."

Be a decent human being for once, eh?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 30, 2015, 12:53:01 am
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on October 30, 2015, 12:36:10 am
Quote from: The_Queen on October 30, 2015, 12:09:06 am
Quote from: guizonde on October 30, 2015, 12:04:33 am
ok, i read up a bit, turns out that i was talking about biological sex, not gender. stupid language barrier. now, my curiosity is piqued. where does transsexuality (or is that transgenderness) come from? neuro or bio? after reading up, it could go either way. any idea?

Would it kill you to look on google fucking scholar.

Would it kill you to be motherfucking polite? Guizonde asked a fair question, probably on the basis of "Queen likely knows more about this than I do, therefore, someone to reasonably ask about something I have no knowledge of."

Be a decent human being for once, eh?

thanks for backing me up. i was about to say something along the lines of "google scholaring" something is not conducive to intelligent and fluid discussion. hell, that's the reason we're on this forum, right? to discuss things between us? all i wanted was queen's input.

eta: queen, i just read up your eta to my original comment. no need to get so defensive. i like to have civil discourse, with intelligent arguments and polite aknowledgements when there is ignorance on a subject. and when somebody says "fuck off, noob", that is not mature, or conducive to discourse. the person can be blowing off steam, but if it's a troll or an undesirable, the best course of action is to not respond to the bait. before you say i'm getting all high and mighty, that's not my point. i treat people like people, not discriminating between gender. that "dainty lady" bit you wrote stings. i don't care if girls swear, but i expect a decent argument behind it. what do you think i am? just another cishet shitlord that tumblr hates? no. i'm trying to have a discussion on a subject i'm clueless and curious about, and trying to learn about it so i don't go offending people, because i try to be a decent human being.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on October 30, 2015, 01:07:51 am
Queen, Cerim, are you two having bad days? The snapping seems uncalled for.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 30, 2015, 01:21:02 am
It looks like there are a lot of people arguing at cross purposes with differing levels of knowledge about the context of the original post which seems to be a response to something fairly offensive. Now adults would take a deep breath and assess their differences...

On the otherhand I have an inflatible pool filled with KFC Gravy and Mash Potatoes and am taking on all comers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Kat S. on October 30, 2015, 01:29:55 am
People, people...I'm sorry.

My mistake on not looking into context on the sign.  I got it from a random picture search, and I didn't look at the actual Twitter thread and where the reaction was coming from.  At this point I'm not going to bother explaining why I decided to post it, because it simply won't contribute to the discussion.

Yes, I'm Cisgender.  Like what guizonde said, I also try to educate myself on some things I don't understand.  If I knew what kind of visceral reaction it was going to bring among forum members, I wouldn't have posted it.

Can't we all get along now?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cloud3514 on October 30, 2015, 02:10:35 am
Nope. You fucked up once, now you're forever a shit lord. /sarcasm

Yeah, in all seriousness, I would argue it goes a long way to acknowledge one's own fuck ups and try to avoid repeating said fuck ups.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 30, 2015, 02:54:40 am
Quote from: Damen on October 30, 2015, 01:07:51 am
Queen, Cerim, are you two having bad days? The snapping seems uncalled for.

... Less a 'bad day' and more 'my tolerance for people being absolute gits being next to nil'.

I'm becoming vastly less fond of people who bite the heads off folks who are asking perfectly reasonable questions, and if they can't be civil, they need to sit in the corner and be silent until they can function in regular society.  I've seen way, WAY too much of that bullshit in the last few weeks, and it ain't just cropping up here.  So I'm just a wee bit on a hair trigger when I see it.

EDIT:  Davedan, care to divvy those mashed potatoes and gravy? that sounds fucking delicious right now.  Got any popcorn chicken to go with it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on October 30, 2015, 03:03:24 am
I was really going for mashed potato and gravy mud wrestling mate. But if you want some (swan)dive right in.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on October 30, 2015, 03:07:09 am
Quote from: Svata on October 29, 2015, 10:44:55 pm
Quote from: dpareja on October 29, 2015, 10:36:17 pm
Quote from: Svata on October 29, 2015, 10:24:55 pm
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Quote from: Svata on October 29, 2015, 06:34:25 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on October 29, 2015, 06:20:29 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on October 29, 2015, 05:56:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 29, 2015, 05:21:00 pm
And I'm raping oxygen

The way I see it, oxygen gas wouldn't be wearing those valence electrons unless it secretly wanted it.

Oxygen will bond to anything.

Stop slutshaming oxygen.

Still better than krypton. Such a prude in public, but get it alone with some fluorine and make it really cold...
Nah, the fluorine is the problem there. Just look what he did with oxygen... FOOF!

True. Fluorine is a master at that.


Indeed. Look up "sand won't save you this time". See what just three of them do to chlorine.
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Radon, xenon and even argon have succumbed to its wiles (though argon needed a bit of encouragement from hydrogen).
Argon? When those two get together with antimony, shit gets REAL. Fluoroantimonic acid, guys.

Now that's some cool stuff.

Of course, we're missing the elements that pretty much can't help but react: put cesium in a beaker of water and the beaker explodes. Alkali metals don't mess around.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 30, 2015, 05:26:13 am
Quote from: Kat S. on October 29, 2015, 07:30:44 pm
Here is a sign from a PC/helicopter parent since we're getting close to Halloween.  Yeah, that first suggestion will be such a hit with the kids:
(click to show/hide)

I... don't really see what parents putting up flyers about being considerate to kids with allergies has to do with the concept of "political correctness". Or social justice in general.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 30, 2015, 06:02:41 am
I would imagine anyone who gives out carrot sticks and raisins to trick or treaters is just begging to get their house egged and the mailbox shat in.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 30, 2015, 06:13:35 am
How do you even shit into a mailbox? Aren't the holes usually vertical?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on October 30, 2015, 06:54:04 am
Quote from: Cerim Treascair on October 30, 2015, 12:36:10 am
Quote from: The_Queen on October 30, 2015, 12:09:06 am
Quote from: guizonde on October 30, 2015, 12:04:33 am
ok, i read up a bit, turns out that i was talking about biological sex, not gender. stupid language barrier. now, my curiosity is piqued. where does transsexuality (or is that transgenderness) come from? neuro or bio? after reading up, it could go either way. any idea?

Would it kill you to look on google fucking scholar.

Would it kill you to be motherfucking polite? Guizonde asked a fair question, probably on the basis of "Queen likely knows more about this than I do, therefore, someone to reasonably ask about something I have no knowledge of."

Be a decent human being for once, eh?

First, no, it is not my job to educate someone on any of this. If he wants to know, there is a wide body of literature that can easily be found on google scholar. I have my own life and my own obligations, and it is nothing short of entitled to think that I am here to educate any one.

Second, I already explained chromosomal abnormalities to Guizoonode. Beyond a certain point, he's just saying "I don't want to look things up, tell me."

Third, and this is simultaneously directed at Kat, is the post that this all stems from. Kat apologized and admitted that the pic doesn't belong here, that's why I have nothing against Kat. In contrast, Guizonode decided to argue a bunch of things he doesn't know, such as that the post is warranted here because Laura wasn't the paragon of patience and rationality, because she said "fuck you" to a conservative troll trying to dictate her gender to her. It didn't take that much research to (1) find the conservative troll and (2) find the context that she posted in. And instead of doing a modicum of independent research, Guizinode was content to dismiss my original post on the issue because I respect his woman. Nonetheless, I still looked this up for Guizonode.

So, three separate incidences where Guizonode was content to be intellectually lazy in less than a half hour, one of which while creating a bullshit double standard for transsexuals in which if we don't approach things in a perfectly polite manner, then it belongs in WSJ.

And you have no room to dictate to me what qualifies for a decent human being, Cerim.

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what do you think i am? just another cishet shitlord

Funny, because I don't think it's my job to educate you when there is a plethora of medical literature available to you at your literal fingertips, I'm an SJW. I never said any of that. But, while I am posting, you do seem content to hold LJG to a bullshit double standard because she didn't handle a troll with kiddie gloves, or because I'm stating it's not my job to do your research for you, after doing two forms of research for you in a half hour. Like, seriously, at what point can I say "do your own research?"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 30, 2015, 08:16:29 am
Quote from: Even Then on October 30, 2015, 06:13:35 am
How do you even shit into a mailbox? Aren't the holes usually vertical?
They usually have some sort of door on them as well. Otherwise, it would be a royal fucking bitch trying to pull your mail out of that slot.

Although, come to think of it, that sign was probably a prank.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on October 30, 2015, 09:49:51 am
I say we just cut out the middle man and have a big-ass neighbourhood get-together with various kid-having families with obscene amounts of candy and horror movies, costumes optional.  Even as a kid, I thought trick-or-treating was...kinda lame.  Don't get me wrong, I missed the social interaction, but basically going door-to-door being the Mormons of "give me some fucking candy" just sounded lame.  Sides, then, you can have one area of the house for the kiddie party with chocolates and PG-13 scary movies, and another where the adults can get hammered and watch slasher flicks.  All the bonuses, none of the Mormonisity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 30, 2015, 09:51:54 am
Quote from: Even Then on October 30, 2015, 05:26:13 am
Quote from: Kat S. on October 29, 2015, 07:30:44 pm
Here is a sign from a PC/helicopter parent since we're getting close to Halloween.  Yeah, that first suggestion will be such a hit with the kids:
(click to show/hide)

I... don't really see what parents putting up flyers about being considerate to kids with allergies has to do with the concept of "political correctness". Or social justice in general.

It's not exactly "being considerate to kids" to tell every parent that they aren't allowed to give out anything with nuts, gluten, or dairy, which is what the sign directly states. Being considerate to kids would be having a second bowl with allergy-free candies. The situation the sign is describing is... rather more heavy-handed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 30, 2015, 10:35:13 am
Well, looking at it from that angle... yeah, it's a bit much to say that no one's allowed to give out those products.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 30, 2015, 10:41:38 am
Quote from: The_Queen on October 30, 2015, 06:54:04 am

First, no, it is not my job to educate someone on any of this. If he wants to know, there is a wide body of literature that can easily be found on google scholar. I have my own life and my own obligations, and it is nothing short of entitled to think that I am here to educate any one.

Second, I already explained chromosomal abnormalities to Guizoonode. Beyond a certain point, he's just saying "I don't want to look things up, tell me."

Third, and this is simultaneously directed at Kat, is the post that this all stems from. Kat apologized and admitted that the pic doesn't belong here, that's why I have nothing against Kat. In contrast, Guizonode decided to argue a bunch of things he doesn't know, such as that the post is warranted here because Laura wasn't the paragon of patience and rationality, because she said "fuck you" to a conservative troll trying to dictate her gender to her. It didn't take that much research to (1) find the conservative troll and (2) find the context that she posted in. And instead of doing a modicum of independent research, Guizinode was content to dismiss my original post on the issue because I respect his woman. Nonetheless, I still looked this up for Guizonode.

So, three separate incidences where Guizonode was content to be intellectually lazy in less than a half hour, one of which while creating a bullshit double standard for transsexuals in which if we don't approach things in a perfectly polite manner, then it belongs in WSJ.

And you have no room to dictate to me what qualifies for a decent human being, Cerim.

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what do you think i am? just another cishet shitlord

Funny, because I don't think it's my job to educate you when there is a plethora of medical literature available to you at your literal fingertips, I'm an SJW. I never said any of that. But, while I am posting, you do seem content to hold LJG to a bullshit double standard because she didn't handle a troll with kiddie gloves, or because I'm stating it's not my job to do your research for you, after doing two forms of research for you in a half hour. Like, seriously, at what point can I say "do your own research?"

ok, woah. firstly, i apologize if you thought it was a chore to answer questions. i don't find it a chore, i assumed it was the same around here. second, i did look it up. i was not looking for anything but your opinion on the matter. if you don't want to spend some time  explaining your opinion (not the facts, for that i can do some research, like you said), then ok, i've got it, you don't want to. no need to envenom the situation beyond that. i thought we were enjoying an intellectual discussion beyond the "look at what that sjw said". "how pathetic" that is so common for this thread.
three, that's where we have a problem. i did not dismiss the message. i disagreed with its form. disagreement is not dismissal. everything was coherent, and i understood it. all i disagreed with was the cavalier attitude to courtesy. i have on different subjects in the past. the joke about you respecting her as the queen of punk rock was that traditionally punks are anarchs, thus have no hierarchy. it was a poorly timed joke, but that's why it was in blue. i said that nobody is infallible (which is true, for instance santana believes that metatron will save the earth). so what? it's not dismissal. and yeah, i have a problem with badly constructed arguments. that does not mean that the post was warranted here.

the thing that stings however, is that it's not a double standard aimed at transexuals. that's my baseline standard for everyone. i always criticize the form if it's immature or vulgar and that vulgarity takes away from the message. i honestly have nothing against or for transexuals beyond what i have for the rest of the human race. they exist, that's cool. if they need a hand, i'll lend it. if they're unpleasant with me, i'll stop seeing them. i won't vilify them as a whole. i can guess from your reactions you've had it rough, so stop trying to fight me. i'm not read-up on that subject, not bigoted. i also get that for some reason, i bug you. fine. it happens. i'll stop bugging you from now on.

oh, and it's "guizonde". you wrote my name wrong and differently every time. if that was on purpose, that was immature.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on October 30, 2015, 01:07:03 pm
I was hoping Queen would have answered too, actually. Trans is really new and different to me. So alien from what I know that I would have a hard time even knowing what to put into a Google search, where do I start. With no non verbal cues to pick up on, for me only, makes it harder to start learning. So places like FQA are a wealth of information for me, someone with no real world exposure to any of this. Friendly faces, so to speak, who can explain enough to start looking for information.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 30, 2015, 01:31:21 pm
Quote from: rookie on October 30, 2015, 01:07:03 pm
I was hoping Queen would have answered too, actually. Trans is really new and different to me. So alien from what I know that I would have a hard time even knowing what to put into a Google search, where do I start. With no non verbal cues to pick up on, for me only, makes it harder to start learning. So places like FQA are a wealth of information for me, someone with no real world exposure to any of this. Friendly faces, so to speak, who can explain enough to start looking for information.

that's why i ask questions around here, so there's a written trace and helpful people to answer. and think of the guests and lurkers who read this forum, maybe we're not the only two guys with those questions. i don't want to be mean, i want to answer peoples' questions, in exchange of them answering mine. no tricks, no guile, no snark. just good old fashioned discussion. that's why i'm hurt by queen's tone. i thought i was doing nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cerim Treascair on October 30, 2015, 03:55:57 pm
You aren't doing anything wrong, Guizonde.  Not then, and not now.  Rest easy, in that regard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 30, 2015, 04:29:50 pm
I really, really, really hate that phrase "I'm not here to educate you".  Just reminds me of the more rabid SJWs out there.  And yes, yes you are here to educate us despite a vast ocean of knowledge we can swim through.  Why?  Because that's what humans do.  Educate one another.

Ironbite-and that's fine by me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on October 30, 2015, 07:19:09 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 30, 2015, 04:29:50 pm
I really, really, really hate that phrase "I'm not here to educate you".  Just reminds me of the more rabid SJWs out there.  And yes, yes you are here to educate us despite a vast ocean of knowledge we can swim through.  Why?  Because that's what humans do.  Educate one another.

Ironbite-and that's fine by me.

This tbh fam. Making a proclamation then demanding somebody do some google research when they ask you questions is pretty shitty. 99% of the time people aren't asking you questions out of spite. they just would like to understand your side of things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on October 30, 2015, 07:32:00 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 30, 2015, 04:29:50 pm
I really, really, really hate that phrase "I'm not here to educate you".  Just reminds me of the more rabid SJWs out there.  And yes, yes you are here to educate us despite a vast ocean of knowledge we can swim through.  Why?  Because that's what humans do.  Educate one another.

Ironbite-and that's fine by me.

And you know what, I wouldn't mind it if guizonode (or however it is spelled) was like, "hey, I looked into this for 30 minutes and couldn't find anything." At least there would be an honest effort put forth. But, on to address your point, you're absolutely wrong. Nobody is entitled to a conversation or information session with anyone. That is why law firms charge money instead of working as a public service.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on October 30, 2015, 07:33:25 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 30, 2015, 04:29:50 pm
I really, really, really hate that phrase "I'm not here to educate you".  Just reminds me of the more rabid SJWs out there.  And yes, yes you are here to educate us despite a vast ocean of knowledge we can swim through.  Why?  Because that's what humans do.  Educate one another.

Ironbite-and that's fine by me.

People can choose to educate one another. It's pretty fucking tiresome for people to demand that you answer questions that might be personal, or close to something you care about, or that you are frustrated for having had to answer a million times before. People are always allowed to tap out and say "No, I don't want to explain this to you today. Talk to someone else or look it up yourself"

It's always nice to have someone more experienced to explain things to you. It's useful. It's helpful. And it's entirely voluntary.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on October 30, 2015, 07:45:19 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on October 30, 2015, 07:32:00 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 30, 2015, 04:29:50 pm
I really, really, really hate that phrase "I'm not here to educate you".  Just reminds me of the more rabid SJWs out there.  And yes, yes you are here to educate us despite a vast ocean of knowledge we can swim through.  Why?  Because that's what humans do.  Educate one another.

Ironbite-and that's fine by me.

And you know what, I wouldn't mind it if guizonode (or however it is spelled) was like, "hey, I looked into this for 30 minutes and couldn't find anything." At least there would be an honest effort put forth. But, on to address your point, you're absolutely wrong. Nobody is entitled to a conversation or information session with anyone. That is why law firms charge money instead of working as a public service.

aw, come on. now, you're doing on purpose. i did look into the subject matter. and will continue to do so, because even if i'm not concerned, it's a social issue and i might as well be informed. but i find data useless without personal input. that's why i was asking for your opinion, not that you explain to me the fifty plus years of the development of trans-issues.

you know what? getting annoyed (both you and me) is not worth it. i'm dropping the subject, and the questions. once again, i apologize for bothering you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 30, 2015, 09:31:32 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 30, 2015, 04:29:50 pm
I really, really, really hate that phrase "I'm not here to educate you".  Just reminds me of the more rabid SJWs out there.  And yes, yes you are here to educate us despite a vast ocean of knowledge we can swim through.  Why?  Because that's what humans do.  Educate one another.

Ironbite-and that's fine by me.

I wouldn't say people are obligated to educate each other, but I will say that flying off the handle over something you think is offensive, then pulling the "it's not my job to educate you" when they try to understand why is just childish.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on October 30, 2015, 10:23:38 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on October 30, 2015, 09:31:32 pm
Quote from: ironbite on October 30, 2015, 04:29:50 pm
I really, really, really hate that phrase "I'm not here to educate you".  Just reminds me of the more rabid SJWs out there.  And yes, yes you are here to educate us despite a vast ocean of knowledge we can swim through.  Why?  Because that's what humans do.  Educate one another.

Ironbite-and that's fine by me.

I wouldn't say people are obligated to educate each other, but I will say that flying off the handle over something you think is offensive, then pulling the "it's not my job to educate you" when they try to understand why is just childish.

That is a bit is a bit of a mischaracterization, as is Dakota's. I said that there is no dispositive biological basis for our concept of gender. Guizonode (or however it's spelled) asserted chromosomes while stating that Laura Jane Grace deserved to be here because she could have been more polite, while condescendingly saying that " famous and notorious people are just regular people, so sometimes they can be wrong or say things the wrong way." As though I don't realize this. So, I decided to look into this message, because the tone of the initial image was very much "don't tell me that I'm a biological male ad fucking nausea" and it made my bullshit detector go off. Sure enough, a simple investigation into twitter confirmed my suspicion that this guy was a troll trying to start shit with Laura, who in classic punk fashion told him to shove it up his ass. Why nobody else could do this research is not a topic I'll delve into. Nonetheless, Guizonode (or however it's spelled) asserted chromosomes as a biological basis and to support my initial proposition, I replied with a short list of chromosomal variations that undermine his proposed theory.

After that, Guizonode (or however it's spelled). asked where transsexuality comes from. This is a proposition I neither initiated nor claimed to have specialized knowledge of (remember, I just pointed out that any biological basis in gender is correlative and not dispositive). At that point, I think it's fully justified to tell him to look on google scholar instead of doing his homework for him. Heck, I just put in a simple search and found L.A. Worrell, Medical Master’s Thesis, Sexual Differentiation of the Brain Related to Gender Identity: Beyond Hormones (2010).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on October 31, 2015, 10:31:02 am
Again, inapposite. There is a bit of a distinction between polishing words and spelling and doing in-depth research. If you recall, during the episode when Kefka left because people mocked her spelling, I was the lone dissent saying essentially that I did not care how butchered the spelling was insofar as it conveyed her idea. Yeah, she could've right clicked and spell checked, but as long as the idea was conveyed, spelling didn't bother me. Whether I type it as Guizonode or Guiznode or Guizonde (looked that one up for you), he still knows I'm referring to him, and thus the spelling difference makes no difference. I meant no disrespect by the misspelling, but he decided to interpret it in that manner, as did you.

Now, actually doing research is not the same as a polished/unpolished post. In essence, whether the post is polished is a matter of grammar, syntax, and spelling. In contrast, the research itself is a matter of substance that supports or undermines an idea.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on October 31, 2015, 04:55:24 pm
I've really been trying to stay out of this, but I have to agree with Miles here. It doesn't strike me as on the level when all that is required to get a user's name right is to scroll down, highlight, copy and paste.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on October 31, 2015, 09:35:53 pm
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I meant no disrespect by the misspelling
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You were being contemptuous and snarky, over and over again, with that little Guizonode schtick. And you've lost my respect for thinking anyone here is going to believe your denial. Yes, you are intelligent, Queen, but you did a rude thing because you were not in a good mood. And just now, you showed your contempt for us all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 01, 2015, 08:46:16 pm
This is really funny that people think a misspelling of a name that is not common in English, or according to Google anywhere, is disrespectful. Most other names are English-based, shortened, or easy to remember. For example, if I had to write out the full names of Sigmalaeph, Ravynoushunter, or Cerim Treascure, I couldn't do it. Hence why I call them Sigma, Ravy, and Cerim, respectively. Upon being told that my misspelling was interpreted as disrespect, I thought, "that's silly to take a misspelling of an unusual name that way," and didn't think much else. In fact, I read his name, but forget it by the next time I had to post.. Next time I had to bring it up in conversation, I tried my best to remember, and wrote out each time--instead of copy and pasting-- "guizonode (or however it's spelled)."

You don't have to believe it, but I have no trouble speaking my mind. I also do not lie. If I wanted to take a dig at someone, misspelling a name is the last thing I would do.

Also, it is an outright lie to say that it was about punks and hierarchy, in particular after my last post pointed out that he state Laura Jane Grace belonged here because "um, famous and notorious people are just regular people, so sometimes they can be wrong or say things the wrong way. i'm with the quote's sentiment, but not the way the message is written. one offhand, one ad hominem, and one returning the question does not make for good argumentation, objectively" (emphasis added). His point boiled down to she belongs in WSJ because she didn't handle a transphobic troll in the most professional and responsible way possible. This is what most people seem to conveniently ignore, instead choosing to argue polity or spelling.

But it's obvious that this is getting no where, so people can respond and argue, but absent a direct question rule invocation, I'm done with this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 01, 2015, 09:34:29 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 01, 2015, 08:46:16 pm
This is really funny that people think a misspelling of a name that is not common in English, or according to Google anywhere, is disrespectful. Most other names are English-based, shortened, or easy to remember. For example, if I had to write out the full names of Sigmalaeph, Ravynoushunter, or Cerim Treascure, I couldn't do it. Hence why I call them Sigma, Ravy, and Cerim, respectively. Upon being told that my misspelling was interpreted as disrespect, I thought, "that's silly to take a misspelling of an unusual name that way," and didn't think much else. In fact, I read his name, but forget it by the next time I had to post.. Next time I had to bring it up in conversation, I tried my best to remember, and wrote out each time--instead of copy and pasting-- "guizonode (or however it's spelled)."
Oh please. Don't try to pretend you weren't taking a dig at him asking you to spell his name correctly. If you expect anyone to believe writing (or more likely, copy-pasting, considering your "error" was never misspelled) "guizonode (or however it's spelled)" every single time was a genuine mistake on your part, well, see Mellen's last post.
Quote from: The_Queen on November 01, 2015, 08:46:16 pm
Also, it is an outright lie to say that it was about punks and hierarchy, in particular after my last post pointed out that he state Laura Jane Grace belonged here because "um, famous and notorious people are just regular people, so sometimes they can be wrong or say things the wrong way. i'm with the quote's sentiment, but not the way the message is written. one offhand, one ad hominem, and one returning the question does not make for good argumentation, objectively" (emphasis added). His point boiled down to she belongs in WSJ because she didn't handle a transphobic troll in the most professional and responsible way possible. This is what most people seem to conveniently ignore, instead choosing to argue polity or spelling.
I can't speak for Guizonde (hey, look at that, got it right on my first try), but I believe that point wasn't about Grace's Twitter quote, but rather a response to this.
Quote from: Queen
Do you even know who that is? She's like the modern queen of punk rock. I was lucky enough to attend one of her shows and get one of her guitar picks. Putting anything from her in this thread speaks more about yourself than it does her.
Really now, you pull the "she's some minor celebrity that I like, therefore she can't be wrong" and you're surprised and butthurt by the result? That just says it all, really.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 02, 2015, 06:22:01 am
Quote from: guizonde on October 30, 2015, 10:41:38 am

three, that's where we have a problem. i did not dismiss the message. i disagreed with its form. disagreement is not dismissal. everything was coherent, and i understood it. all i disagreed with was the cavalier attitude to courtesy. i have on different subjects in the past. the joke about you respecting her as the queen of punk rock was that traditionally punks are anarchs, thus have no hierarchy. it was a poorly timed joke, but that's why it was in blue. i said that nobody is infallible (which is true, for instance santana believes that metatron will save the earth). so what? it's not dismissal. and yeah, i have a problem with badly constructed arguments. that does not mean that the post was warranted here.

the thing that stings however, is that it's not a double standard aimed at transexuals. that's my baseline standard for everyone. i always criticize the form if it's immature or vulgar and that vulgarity takes away from the message.

art, you're half-right. there was a joke in blue, but the form of the quote was why i wrote that. however, i also clearly stated that "punks and hierarchy" was a joke. and see above: that quote says i'm not dismissive of the message, and i'm not for the post being here.
also, i'd like to think some people here can vouch for my habit of agreeing with a message's sentiment but not for its form. hell, i've done it to spuki a couple of times when she's having a justified angry moment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 02, 2015, 03:44:55 pm
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2duktg5.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on November 02, 2015, 04:06:38 pm
Lol.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 02, 2015, 05:06:10 pm
Good.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 02, 2015, 05:13:35 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/DorFBDg.png)
"I like to wear dresses some days and pants other days" ≠ "I'm genderfluid". Quit giving gender stereotypes the same weight as actual gender.

(http://i.imgur.com/MSX94j1.png)
This reminds me of something my youth pastor said about gay sex when I was still forced to go to church. He had quite a bit to say about "the gays" and how they were universally sexual deviants and how weird and gross and wrong they were and how alien it was for him to hear people talking about wanting to have sex with anyone except their spouses. When your "activism" reminds people of their fundamentalist upbringing, something's gone terribly wrong.

(http://i.imgur.com/JOdwScZ.png)
WHY ARE WE STILL FIGHTING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE, BY DEFINITION, NEITHER REAL NOR CANON.

(http://i.imgur.com/bFD0xk2.png)
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/304938/horrified-reaction-o.gif)
I threw up in my mouth a little bit when I saw this the first time, and then I threw up a little more after I saw it again so I could post it here.

(http://i.imgur.com/82VdeVc.png)
This is how abusers think. Nobody wakes up in the morning and decides to erode their loved ones' sense of of safety and self-worth, they think "if you just did what I asked, I wouldn't have to get so mad. It's not really my fault, I have anger problems and you know that, so you're at fault for provoking me." This is literally abusive lines of thinking presented as ~*relatable mental health things*~ (no neurotypicals allowed!) and it's fucking terrifying.

EDIT to avoid double posting:
(http://i.imgur.com/HSx19Ag.png)
Yikes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 02, 2015, 07:39:20 pm
hey ghoti, care to walk me through your post?

first one. i'm a cisthet male. i like wearing skirts, robes, and (neutral) dresses. i'm genderfluid now?

second one. uh, i thought being ace was different from being sex-repulsed. i hate urolagnia, i'm sooooo ace.

third, you nailed it.

fourth. freebleeding gone foul bachelor frog?

"maybe if you didn't weren't flammable i wouldn't feel the urge to set you on fire". victim-blaming. i think we already covered that mental illness was not a "get out of jail free" card to be horrible to others, didn't we?

sixth. i don't understand, help me out will you? first one says that lgbt spaces are not an orgy waiting to happen and that's good news? the second calls out the first for being "assimilationist" (?) and seems to adopt the position that an lgbt space can in fact be a den of sin?... the more i read it the less it makes sense. are sjw's actually calling each other out on their tolerance? what.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 02, 2015, 08:15:04 pm
Quote from: guizonde on November 02, 2015, 07:39:20 pm
sixth. i don't understand, help me out will you? first one says that lgbt spaces are not an orgy waiting to happen and that's good news? the second calls out the first for being "assimilationist" (?) and seems to adopt the position that an lgbt space can in fact be a den of sin?... the more i read it the less it makes sense. are sjw's actually calling each other out on their tolerance? what.

This is a thing. Basically, there's a group of people who think "lgbt people are just like you, except we love different people!" is a problematic statement, because of the implication (real or not) that "being just like the cishets" is a price to be paid to gain equal rights, and some people are not and dont' want to be like the cishets. Like everything else in the sj-sphere, this ends up drawing battle lines where on one side you have assimilationist gay white men who vote for Hillary and on the other side radical black punk queers who want to smash the system.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 02, 2015, 09:52:06 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on November 02, 2015, 08:15:04 pm
Quote from: guizonde on November 02, 2015, 07:39:20 pm
sixth. i don't understand, help me out will you? first one says that lgbt spaces are not an orgy waiting to happen and that's good news? the second calls out the first for being "assimilationist" (?) and seems to adopt the position that an lgbt space can in fact be a den of sin?... the more i read it the less it makes sense. are sjw's actually calling each other out on their tolerance? what.

This is a thing. Basically, there's a group of people who think "lgbt people are just like you, except we love different people!" is a problematic statement, because of the implication (real or not) that "being just like the cishets" is a price to be paid to gain equal rights, and some people are not and dont' want to be like the cishets. Like everything else in the sj-sphere, this ends up drawing battle lines where on one side you have assimilationist gay white men who vote for Hillary and on the other side radical black punk queers who want to smash the system.

so... now people want to be seen as different yet be not different? at the risk of repeating myself, what.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 02, 2015, 10:23:31 pm
Quote from: guizonde on November 02, 2015, 09:52:06 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on November 02, 2015, 08:15:04 pm
Quote from: guizonde on November 02, 2015, 07:39:20 pm
sixth. i don't understand, help me out will you? first one says that lgbt spaces are not an orgy waiting to happen and that's good news? the second calls out the first for being "assimilationist" (?) and seems to adopt the position that an lgbt space can in fact be a den of sin?... the more i read it the less it makes sense. are sjw's actually calling each other out on their tolerance? what.

This is a thing. Basically, there's a group of people who think "lgbt people are just like you, except we love different people!" is a problematic statement, because of the implication (real or not) that "being just like the cishets" is a price to be paid to gain equal rights, and some people are not and dont' want to be like the cishets. Like everything else in the sj-sphere, this ends up drawing battle lines where on one side you have assimilationist gay white men who vote for Hillary and on the other side radical black punk queers who want to smash the system.

so... now people want to be seen as different yet be not different? at the risk of repeating myself, what.
Well, considering that lgbt people are people, different people are going to want different things. Some people want to settle down with their same-sex partner and have a house in the suburbs and a dog and 2.5 adopted children, some people want to violently smash the heteropatriarchy with a sledgehammer and piss on the little pieces. They both attack each other; the former group for being "assimilationist", the latter for being "obnoxious" or for "driving away allies". Personally there are elements of mainstream heteronormative society I'd like to see less of, but I think we can get rid of them without murdering anybody. Also I hate you for introducing me to the concept of urolagnia.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 03, 2015, 01:06:52 am
Well I'm not Ghoti but...
Quote from: guizonde on November 02, 2015, 07:39:20 pm
hey ghoti, care to walk me through your post?

first one. i'm a cisthet male. i like wearing skirts, robes, and (neutral) dresses. i'm genderfluid now?
The Tumblerite was making that claim. Ghoti pointed out that wearing dresses and pants occasionally does not mean that you are genderfluid.

Quote from: guizonde on November 02, 2015, 07:39:20 pm
second one. uh, i thought being ace was different from being sex-repulsed. i hate urolagnia, i'm sooooo ace.
You are missing the point. The point wasn't "sex is gross" it was "sex is weird and I don't get the point." ...Which seems to be a good explanation of asexualism. (though the example might have been a bad one.)

Quote from: guizonde on November 02, 2015, 07:39:20 pm
"maybe if you didn't weren't flammable i wouldn't feel the urge to set you on fire". victim-blaming. i think we already covered that mental illness was not a "get out of jail free" card to be horrible to others, didn't we?
And Ghoti agrees while the Tumblerite believes that they should be excused of their behaviour.

Quote from: guizonde on November 02, 2015, 07:39:20 pm
sixth. i don't understand, help me out will you? first one says that lgbt spaces are not an orgy waiting to happen and that's good news? the second calls out the first for being "assimilationist" (?) and seems to adopt the position that an lgbt space can in fact be a den of sin?... the more i read it the less it makes sense. are sjw's actually calling each other out on their tolerance? what.
This has already been discussed but yes, the point is that some LGBT people are quite "vanilla" when it comes to sex and the poster wanted to explain that not everyone who is gay goes into weird orgies and has casual sex all the time. Meanwhile the second poster obviously is a bit different and THEY are outraged at the gay people who aren't as wild as they are.

And no, it is not just because the latter group demands the right to be as wild as they want, to them being kinky is a rebellion against the heteronormative lifestyle and any LGBT people who aren't like them are considered traitors for trying to "blend in" with the normies.

...And now I'm reminded of Atlas Saarikoski who (among other things) demanded that GLBT should go and throw firebombs at churches while straight people are getting married because to Atlas any suggestion to "fix" things so that the ones who are suffering no longer suffer is wrong and the only solution to any problem is to drag down those who AREN'T suffering and ensure that everyone is having a bad time. (Seriously, after seeing Palestine Atlas had a revelation that there should also be tanks rolling and shooting in Finnish streets, because that would be "fair.")
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 03, 2015, 04:03:26 am
Quote from: askold
You are missing the point. The point wasn't "sex is gross" it was "sex is weird and I don't get the point." ...Which seems to be a good explanation of asexualism. (though the example might have been a bad one.)

THANK you. (although I'm sort of both of the "sex is gross" AND the "sex is weird and I don't get the point" variety so *shrug*)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 03, 2015, 06:06:25 am
Quote from: Ghoti on November 02, 2015, 10:23:31 pm
Also I hate you for introducing me to the concept of urolagnia.

anytime, buddy  ;D

(click to show/hide)
don't worry askold, i was totally agreeing with dongy (and asking for clarifications because some of those were a bit left-field). re: the ace one i was trying to come off as facetious. swing and a miss?

regarding the "what." bit. different strokes for different folks, but can we chalk it up to venting frustration on the net or are they actually serious?

Quote from: Even Then on November 03, 2015, 04:03:26 am
Quote from: askold
You are missing the point. The point wasn't "sex is gross" it was "sex is weird and I don't get the point." ...Which seems to be a good explanation of asexualism. (though the example might have been a bad one.)

THANK you. (although I'm sort of both of the "sex is gross" AND the "sex is weird and I don't get the point" variety so *shrug*)

and there is nothing wrong with that, although from personal experience, my ace friends were of the "what's a sex drive and what's sexual attraction?" camp. maybe the reason why i thought that "sex is gross" was closer to sex-repulsion than asexuality. live and learn, hope you didn't take it badly. but seeing that screed written it seemed to be written by an edgy 14 year old trying to look cool on tumblr rather than an honest to goodness ace. the analogy was too immature for it to be legit, see what i mean?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 03, 2015, 06:08:43 am
Yeah, that analogy was pretty shite. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 03, 2015, 09:07:59 am
Hell, I'm sexual and even I don't 100% get the point of sex.  Then again, I was kinda abused by my so-called peers into brutal pragmatism, soooo...yeah.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 03, 2015, 09:14:49 am
I mean I get the point of sex. People do it for pleasure, because they like it, because it's a way of bonding even closer with their partner, to express their emotions, because they're driven to have sex with specific people and that's sexual attraction I guess? I get the concept, I just don't... get it. On a personal level. I'm not on... that frequency?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 03, 2015, 10:14:53 am
Quote from: Even Then on November 03, 2015, 09:14:49 am
I mean I get the point of sex. People do it for pleasure, because they like it, because it's a way of bonding even closer with their partner, to express their emotions, because they're driven to have sex with specific people and that's sexual attraction I guess? I get the concept, I just don't... get it. On a personal level. I'm not on... that frequency?

i believe the term you're looking for is "it's not my thing". and that's cool.

eta: so long as you live a happy life in accordance to your standards, of course.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 03, 2015, 10:36:00 am
I wasn't being defensive, I was just trying to clarify my previous response which I realized was misrepresentative. But still, thanks.

someone post some shit here so this thread can be derailed from people giving me consideration because that feels weird
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 03, 2015, 12:04:59 pm
Quote from: Even Then on November 03, 2015, 10:36:00 am
I wasn't being defensive, I was just trying to clarify my previous response which I realized was misrepresentative. But still, thanks.

someone post some shit here so this thread can be derailed from people giving me consideration because that feels weird

Ask and ye shall receive:

(http://oi65.tinypic.com/6st7q9.jpg)

Trying to shame gay men into liking vaginas?  Why does that sound familiar?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on November 03, 2015, 12:07:07 pm
Ooh ooh! Is it because we're coming closer to "I can get her to like the D!"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 03, 2015, 12:09:50 pm
Acknowledging that pre-transition transgender men exist and correcting cissexism... posted onto WoSJ. Yippee.

EDIT: I'm not saying gay men should be forced to have sex with people with vaginas, that would be fucking wretched.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 03, 2015, 04:47:33 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 03, 2015, 12:04:59 pm
Quote from: Even Then on November 03, 2015, 10:36:00 am
I wasn't being defensive, I was just trying to clarify my previous response which I realized was misrepresentative. But still, thanks.

someone post some shit here so this thread can be derailed from people giving me consideration because that feels weird

Ask and ye shall receive:

(http://oi65.tinypic.com/6st7q9.jpg)

Trying to shame gay men into liking vaginas?  Why does that sound familiar?

First: it's perfectly possible to express frustration at cissexism without actually saying everyone should have sex with a trans person right now. I believe kasstle fell on the right side of that line.

Second: "trans people insisting women can have penises are trying to force lesbians to have sex with men!" is a depressingly common TERF argument, and what you posted is nearly the exact analogue for gay men. I'm not trying to guilt you by association or anything like that, just a bit of advice: if you use that argument with any regularity, someone is probably going to assume you're parroting TERF talking points.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 03, 2015, 05:28:01 pm
Oh look at the time, it's "UP is transphobic" 'o clock! Guess what, "I'm not attracted to women" and "I don't want to have sex with someone with a vagina" are, in fact, two different statements that mean two different things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 03, 2015, 07:23:19 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on November 03, 2015, 05:28:01 pm
Oh look at the time, it's "UP is transphobic" 'o clock! Guess what, "I'm not attracted to women" and "I don't want to have sex with someone with a vagina" are, in fact, two different statements that mean two different things.


Just to be completely fair, there is a great deal of overlap, and it it possibile for one to say one and mean both. Not that it really matters, because you're still right.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 03, 2015, 07:33:30 pm
say that a boy can have a vagina, and people think it's cool. say that one girl has a mustache, and all of a sudden she hates you...

more seriously, the only thing that bugs me about the post is the dubious sentence structure. it's still very true and i agree with it.

i mean, what is there to handle a vagina? it's on the pelvis, about a hand's size, if anything a scrotum is more challenging to handle...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 03, 2015, 08:24:37 pm
Well, honestly, to me it came off as them saying gay men should have sex with pre-op transmen because social justice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 03, 2015, 08:38:18 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 03, 2015, 08:24:37 pm
Well, honestly, to me it came off as them saying gay men should have sex with pre-op transmen because social justice.

that too, but i preferred to go with humor rather than witness horseshoe theory in action again. once again, "nobody is entitled to sex, nobody has the obligation to have sex with anyone else".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 03, 2015, 08:45:23 pm
There was nothing in the post which said anything about people having to have sex with each other. It seemed purely about erasing trans identity. To say that transmen aren't real boys, like pinnochio.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 03, 2015, 11:24:13 pm
Yeah, Ultie, there's no denying you kind of made a bad show in this one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 03, 2015, 11:25:13 pm
Yeah, that was... no.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 03, 2015, 11:34:14 pm
Who wants to bet he'll pull a No You and cite some example of bad form I've had.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 04, 2015, 06:21:47 pm
Isn't that called an ad hom argument?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 04, 2015, 06:38:20 pm
Quote from: ironbite on November 04, 2015, 06:21:47 pm
Isn't that called an ad hom argument?

does that make chewing your opponent an ad hom nom nom argument?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 04, 2015, 07:58:29 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on November 03, 2015, 11:24:13 pm
Yeah, Ultie, there's no denying you kind of made a bad show in this one.

How, exactly?  Maybe my interpretation is incorrect, I'm willing to acknowledge that possibility, but can you seriously blame me for making it in the first place?

By the way, I'm not transphobic, Ghoti.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 04, 2015, 10:36:49 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 04, 2015, 07:58:29 pm
How, exactly?  Maybe my interpretation is incorrect, I'm willing to acknowledge that possibility, but can you seriously blame me for making it in the first place?
Yes, I seriously can. You assumed that vagina = female and that gay men would automatically turn down a pre-op trans man because "ew vagina". Now, if the post had said something like "omfg quit refusing to sleep with people just because they're trans" then you might have had a point, because no one (cis or trans) is entitled to sex from anyone else. But that's not what the post says; it's just pointing out that vagina ≠ female. (I could point out that some rando's two-note post is hardly the forefront of Social Justice™ but I'm not going to bother.)

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 04, 2015, 07:58:29 pm
By the way, I'm not transphobic, Ghoti.
(https://i.warosu.org/data/fa/img/0087/88/1410512821399.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 04, 2015, 11:06:18 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on November 04, 2015, 10:36:49 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 04, 2015, 07:58:29 pm
How, exactly?  Maybe my interpretation is incorrect, I'm willing to acknowledge that possibility, but can you seriously blame me for making it in the first place?
Yes, I seriously can. You assumed that vagina = female and that gay men would automatically turn down a pre-op trans man because "ew vagina". Now, if the post had said something like "omfg quit refusing to sleep with people just because they're trans" then you might have had a point, because no one (cis or trans) is entitled to sex from anyone else. But that's not what the post says; it's just pointing out that vagina ≠ female. (I could point out that some rando's two-note post is hardly the forefront of Social Justice™ but I'm not going to bother.)

Ever heard of dog-whistle language?  I've heard this exact rhetoric from those types.

Quote from: Ghoti on November 04, 2015, 10:36:49 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 04, 2015, 07:58:29 pm
By the way, I'm not transphobic, Ghoti.
(https://i.warosu.org/data/fa/img/0087/88/1410512821399.jpg)

Real mature.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 04, 2015, 11:21:31 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 04, 2015, 11:06:18 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on November 04, 2015, 10:36:49 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 04, 2015, 07:58:29 pm
How, exactly?  Maybe my interpretation is incorrect, I'm willing to acknowledge that possibility, but can you seriously blame me for making it in the first place?
Yes, I seriously can. You assumed that vagina = female and that gay men would automatically turn down a pre-op trans man because "ew vagina". Now, if the post had said something like "omfg quit refusing to sleep with people just because they're trans" then you might have had a point, because no one (cis or trans) is entitled to sex from anyone else. But that's not what the post says; it's just pointing out that vagina ≠ female. (I could point out that some rando's two-note post is hardly the forefront of Social Justice™ but I'm not going to bother.)

Ever heard of dog-whistle language?  I've heard this exact rhetoric from those types.
Yes, I have in fact heard of dog-whistle language , and I don't think this is it. Who's "those types", exactly? Where else have you heard that with the intended meaning of "gay men should sleep with women because otherwise they're transphobic"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 05, 2015, 01:05:14 am
While I don't mind drama, I feel we should get some variety.
Nonstop Paragon is annoying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 05, 2015, 01:09:20 am
Okay, I'll share some of my more polarizing beliefs.

I believe...

...that women deserve rights in the video game industry to date their gay black Jewish transsexual coworkers while sexting their boss and driving home from work high on crack cocaine. Good day sirs!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 05, 2015, 01:22:26 am
Woo cocaine!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 05, 2015, 01:35:28 am
I think Hitler was right.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 05, 2015, 03:41:36 am
let my politics be known.

Complete. Global. SATURATION.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on November 05, 2015, 04:20:23 am
Well, if we're gonna be expressing unpopular political opinions...

I fully support repealing the Second Amendment, and the complete removal of religious tax exemptions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 05, 2015, 05:27:19 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on November 05, 2015, 04:20:23 am
Well, if we're gonna be expressing unpopular political opinions...

I fully support repealing the Second Amendment, and the complete removal of religious tax exemptions.


I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 05, 2015, 06:49:25 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 05, 2015, 01:35:28 am
I think Hitler was right.

Hitler often gets demonized, but in Hitler's defense, he did kill Hitler.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on November 05, 2015, 07:37:43 am
Quote from: Even Then on October 30, 2015, 05:26:13 am
Quote from: Kat S. on October 29, 2015, 07:30:44 pm
Here is a sign from a PC/helicopter parent since we're getting close to Halloween.  Yeah, that first suggestion will be such a hit with the kids:
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I... don't really see what parents putting up flyers about being considerate to kids with allergies has to do with the concept of "political correctness". Or social justice in general.

There is this thing called the Teal Pumpkin Project where you have some non-food treats on hand to give to kids with food allergies.  Kids who can have candy, get candy, and kids who can't still get something fun.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 05, 2015, 08:30:48 am
Quote from: The_Queen on November 05, 2015, 06:49:25 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 05, 2015, 01:35:28 am
I think Hitler was right.

Hitler often gets demonized, but in Hitler's defense, he did kill Hitler.

Yeah, but he also killed the guy who killed Hitler.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 05, 2015, 08:34:46 am
Quote from: askold on November 05, 2015, 08:30:48 am
Quote from: The_Queen on November 05, 2015, 06:49:25 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 05, 2015, 01:35:28 am
I think Hitler was right.

Hitler often gets demonized, but in Hitler's defense, he did kill Hitler.

Yeah, but he also killed the guy who killed Hitler.

Yeah, but I hear the guy who killed Hitler was kind of a dick. Thankfully, Hitler killed him.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 05, 2015, 08:43:05 am
unpopular opinion. i think the prison system should be abolished and replaced with corporeal punishment in the style of gladiatorial arenas, and all the profits from the ticket sales and pay-per-view be sent to the victim's family.

that, and pillories for misdemeanors and felonies. shame and fear of pain work better than being locked up, are more cost-effective, and don't teach criminals better techniques.

it is, however, callous.

brb, i gotta give back niam's personality, i rented it only for one post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 05, 2015, 09:43:34 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on November 05, 2015, 04:20:23 am
Well, if we're gonna be expressing unpopular political opinions...

I fully support repealing the Second Amendment, and the complete removal of religious tax exemptions.

I could support this. I also believe that we should raise taxes, especially on the rich.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 05, 2015, 10:32:55 am
Quote from: The_Queen on November 05, 2015, 06:49:25 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 05, 2015, 01:35:28 am
I think Hitler was right.

Hitler often gets demonized, but in Hitler's defense, he did kill Hitler.
Yeah? I'd like to see him pull it off twice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on November 05, 2015, 11:41:41 am
Quote from: I am lizard on November 05, 2015, 10:32:55 am
Quote from: The_Queen on November 05, 2015, 06:49:25 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 05, 2015, 01:35:28 am
I think Hitler was right.

Hitler often gets demonized, but in Hitler's defense, he did kill Hitler.
Yeah? I'd like to see him pull it off twice.

The Illuminati Reptilian Free Mason Jew overlords made a bunch of clones of him so there is a chance he did do it twice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on November 05, 2015, 11:59:41 am
Honestly, I agree with repealing the Second Amendment. The point it was originally supposed to address (communities need ordinary citizens with guns to protect them against invasions) hasn't been valid for a long time, and it's really causing way more problems than it solves.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 05, 2015, 12:32:07 pm
/still not sure how any of this applys to social justice.

Ironbite-also I support Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 05, 2015, 07:32:59 pm
I support government-subsidized abortion mega-clinics, graduated income tax based on penis size, the use of unmanned predator drones to shoot spitwads at Donald Trump, tax breaks for sexually active, cohabitating, non-married couples, and mining the cast of Jersey Shore to restore world petroleum reserves.

RAVYNOUSHUNTER FOR DICTATOR!  FOR A STRANGER, MORE INTERESTING AMERICA!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 05, 2015, 08:27:35 pm
I'd support the gun nuts remembering what the second amendment actually says.

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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

A well fucking regulated militia. Funny how nobody ever mentions that part.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 05, 2015, 08:32:33 pm
And I doubt letting your guys go antagonize federal agents and troops counts as "well regulated".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 05, 2015, 09:10:19 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 05, 2015, 08:27:35 pm
I'd support the gun nuts remembering what the second amendment actually says.

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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

A well fucking regulated militia. Funny how nobody ever mentions that part.

That's a common (though understandable) misconception.  "Well-regulated" had a different meaning back then.  It meant "in working order," not "subject to comprehensive regulations."

But anyway, back on topic:

(http://oi67.tinypic.com/2elrrc2.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 06, 2015, 01:19:36 am
Japanese military conquests can't into real.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on November 06, 2015, 01:34:06 am
Yes, no white man has ever improved people's lot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on November 06, 2015, 12:04:20 pm
What's going to happen to these people when they have to leave the house for jobs or to go to the store or something? They're going to see people of every gender, of every skin tone all acting like people. Some good, some bad, most somewhere in between.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 06, 2015, 12:16:18 pm
Quote from: rookie on November 06, 2015, 12:04:20 pm
What's going to happen to these people when they have to leave the house for jobs or to go to the store or something? They're going to see people of every gender, of every skin tone all acting like people. Some good, some bad, most somewhere in between.

(http://markwatches.net/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/your-head-asplode-460x198.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 06, 2015, 12:35:12 pm
This is a very small small percentage of people though.  Like less then 1%.  But they're loud.  Very very loud.  And it kinda frightens me that the GOP will want to cater to these idiots.

Ironbite-cause they do represent some votes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 06, 2015, 03:46:29 pm
Quote from: ironbite on November 06, 2015, 12:35:12 pm
This is a very small small percentage of people though.  Like less then 1%.  But they're loud.  Very very loud.  And it kinda frightens me that the GOP will want to cater to these idiots.

Ironbite-cause they do represent some votes.

I, uh... I can't imagine the GOP wanting to cater to anyone who says "white men shouldn't be in a position of power".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 06, 2015, 05:53:48 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on November 06, 2015, 03:46:29 pm
Quote from: ironbite on November 06, 2015, 12:35:12 pm
This is a very small small percentage of people though.  Like less then 1%.  But they're loud.  Very very loud.  And it kinda frightens me that the GOP will want to cater to these idiots.

Ironbite-cause they do represent some votes.

I, uh... I can't imagine the GOP wanting to cater to anyone who says "white men shouldn't be in a position of power".


Oh, good, I'm not the only one confused as shit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 06, 2015, 05:57:40 pm
You'd be surprised at what the GOP will do for votes and power.

Ironbite-see the Tea Party.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 07, 2015, 09:57:24 am
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/29pdhsp.jpg)

Being bullied to the point of attempting suicide = having your feelings hurt

Drawing a cartoon character slightly thinner than how she appears on TV = actively harming fat people
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 07, 2015, 10:29:09 am
1) Marginalization, dehumanization and discrimination of people because of their body type isn't just "drawing a cartoon slightly thinner than how she appears on TV", but thanks for playing

2) The post didn't even say anything about Zamii, the gripe in itself is one that's honestly valid

3) I honestly fucking hate that people are now saying "baaaw don't criticize people for perpetuating marginalization in their works, just let everyone draw literally anything without commenting on it" as if all critics of such are extremist suicidebaiters (not that that's anything new as a thing that exists but it's recently surfaced even more)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 07, 2015, 10:30:13 am
Damn it, where's that really weird drawing of that one-eyed, scarred, short, overweight, black chick with that wiggly, metal tentacle arm with the grabber claw at the end when you need it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 07, 2015, 10:34:32 am
That actually sounds awesome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on November 07, 2015, 01:43:19 pm
Sounds like a friend for Scary Girl to meet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 07, 2015, 03:17:13 pm
Quote from: Even Then on November 07, 2015, 10:29:09 am
1) Marginalization, dehumanization and discrimination of people because of their body type isn't just "drawing a cartoon slightly thinner than how she appears on TV", but thanks for playing

2) The post didn't even say anything about Zamii, the gripe in itself is one that's honestly valid

That is, of course, a subjective matter. I would say that the post is dog-whistling. Talking about "artists that draw racist and fatphobic drawings" as a kind of marker to talk about Zamii without actually talking about her, primarily considering that she's the only one who's caught a lot of visible flak lately. But, on the other hand, that might be completely off base. It's just a personal guess of mine.

IFF (that is, if and only if) the post is about Zamii, then yes, it's equating "drawing a cartoon slightly thinner" or "drawing a cartoon slightly lighter" to fatphobia and racism, which is of course wrong, as I'm sure you would agree. If not, well... who knows what conclusions you can draw?

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3) I honestly fucking hate that people are now saying "baaaw don't criticize people for perpetuating marginalization in their works, just let everyone draw literally anything without commenting on it" as if all critics of such are extremist suicidebaiters (not that that's anything new as a thing that exists but it's recently surfaced even more)

Not all critics are suicidebaiters, but enough exist that from the perspective of the bullied artist, they all appear to be. Again, just speaking in Zamii's case, of course. That said, I'm of the opinion that people should be allowed to draw what they want, and while you should have the option to engage them in criticism, things like "call out blogs" should never be made about them. Don't like an artist? Don't talk about them - if enough people don't like an artist, they'll fade into obscurity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 07, 2015, 10:27:09 pm
Quote from: Even Then on November 07, 2015, 10:29:09 am
2) The post didn't even say anything about Zamii, the gripe in itself is one that's honestly valid

That seems disingenuous. I mean, in principle the person in question could be vagueblogging about anything, but it seems pretty likely that they mean Zamii.

And y'know, the gripe is not generally valid. The post makes a dichotomy between "actively harmed" and "hurt feelings" that I reject. The worst harm a single artist's drawings can do is hurt feelings. You can't build up structures of oppression with a single person. You can't create an overarching culture getting people to internalise negative messages if you're a single person. You can take part in those overall trends, sure, but they'd be there either way.

Creating bigoted art and sending hateful messages to artists are not incommensurate, they are the same kind of thing. If you have someone that makes a lot of bigoted art, that's bad. If you have a lot of people who send hateful messages, that's also bad. If you have enough people, it's worse. Hurting people is bad, hurting people more is worse.

So yes, sometimes you should worry about the feelings of bigoted artists over the feelings of people who are hurt by bigoted art.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on November 08, 2015, 01:04:24 am
Quote from: Ghoti on November 04, 2015, 10:36:49 pm
Yes, I seriously can. You assumed that vagina = female and that gay men would automatically turn down a pre-op trans man because "ew vagina".

Actually, "I love boys!!! I could never handle vagina!" means pretty much that, as seen in the OP.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 08, 2015, 05:41:07 am
Sigma, you're right. Singular artists on Tumblr have no power to put up oppressive structures on their own. I have never even attempted to argue they do. However, they can contribute to them, add to them and perpetuate them. And that is something that's actually more harmful than just getting harshly-worded critique and bluntly expressed negative sentiment over said bigotry. I reject the notion that, for example, whitewashing and calling out whitewashing are on the same level of harmfulness. (Not necessarily what you're arguing, but the general sentiment is something I've seen people earnestly espouse.)

However, there's a difference between the aforementioned and actual sustained harassment, which is obviously bad. That's, for me at least, where the boundary of worrying about the feelings of bigoted artists is. Harsh critique OK, hate in moderation OK (if they were doing it inadvertently and stopped after pointing it out, that's a good place to stop), actual harassment, doxxing and suicide baiting and slander and such NOT OK.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rageaholic on November 08, 2015, 09:09:05 pm
From 2012 (http://randomlancila.tumblr.com/post/23887989816)

So they're mad at Laci Green (who's said some pretty silly things herself) for posting before and after weight loss pics.

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It’s all well and good to say ‘this is my body, I’m not saying you should do what I did’, but simply by being as high profile as she is, and by telling her readers how she got to where it is, she’s implying that anyone can do it. And not everyone’s body works the way hers does. So what if her readers took her advice, did the same thing she did, and didn’t lose weight? What if their body didn’t change? They’re going to hate themselves more.

And I’m sorry, but posting progress pictures? How much weight you’ve lost? Before and after? That crosses a line.

As an advocate for body positivity, you have to understand how what you say might be taken by people who read it. Many people look up to Laci. They want to be like her. I read the notes in her post and there were so many 'how do you keep the weight off?’ 'Can you talk about what you have for meals?’ questions. It’s dangerous territory. People want to do what she did and expect the same results. She doesn’t have to say you 'should’ do anything, people simply believe it’s implied. That’s what happens when you look up to someone.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 09, 2015, 01:09:31 am
Quote from: rageaholic on November 08, 2015, 09:09:05 pm
From 2012 (http://randomlancila.tumblr.com/post/23887989816)

So they're mad at Laci Green (who's said some pretty silly things herself) for posting before and after weight loss pics.

Quote
It’s all well and good to say ‘this is my body, I’m not saying you should do what I did’, but simply by being as high profile as she is, and by telling her readers how she got to where it is, she’s implying that anyone can do it. And not everyone’s body works the way hers does. So what if her readers took her advice, did the same thing she did, and didn’t lose weight? What if their body didn’t change? They’re going to hate themselves more.

And I’m sorry, but posting progress pictures? How much weight you’ve lost? Before and after? That crosses a line.

As an advocate for body positivity, you have to understand how what you say might be taken by people who read it. Many people look up to Laci. They want to be like her. I read the notes in her post and there were so many 'how do you keep the weight off?’ 'Can you talk about what you have for meals?’ questions. It’s dangerous territory. People want to do what she did and expect the same results. She doesn’t have to say you 'should’ do anything, people simply believe it’s implied. That’s what happens when you look up to someone.


I have some advice for people who look up to Laci Green, whether they want to lose weight or not: get a better role model.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on November 09, 2015, 10:13:19 am
Quote from: rageaholic on November 08, 2015, 09:09:05 pm
From 2012 (http://randomlancila.tumblr.com/post/23887989816)

So they're mad at Laci Green (who's said some pretty silly things herself) for posting before and after weight loss pics.

Quote
It’s all well and good to say ‘this is my body, I’m not saying you should do what I did’, but simply by being as high profile as she is, and by telling her readers how she got to where it is, she’s implying that anyone can do it. And not everyone’s body works the way hers does. So what if her readers took her advice, did the same thing she did, and didn’t lose weight? What if their body didn’t change? They’re going to hate themselves more.

And I’m sorry, but posting progress pictures? How much weight you’ve lost? Before and after? That crosses a line.

As an advocate for body positivity, you have to understand how what you say might be taken by people who read it. Many people look up to Laci. They want to be like her. I read the notes in her post and there were so many 'how do you keep the weight off?’ 'Can you talk about what you have for meals?’ questions. It’s dangerous territory. People want to do what she did and expect the same results. She doesn’t have to say you 'should’ do anything, people simply believe it’s implied. That’s what happens when you look up to someone.



Another note from this thread:

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Here’s something simple: If you involve weight loss in ANY way, then your aim isn’t health or fitness, it’s weight loss. And that’s deeply steeped in fat-shaming as we all know.

And this is what bothers me about tumblr's brand of "body positive".  They took "your weight doesn't necessarily reflect your health" and turned it into "weight has absolutely no correlation with health ever and to say otherwise is fatshaming".  Also, funny how they preach "different bodies have different standards" then turn around and say "if you determined that losing weight made you healthier, you're just a sheep brainwashed by society's fatshaming".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 09, 2015, 12:01:18 pm
How can any legit "body positivity" movement demand to be taken seriously if they claim that "people can be perfectly healthy at any size"? There is ABUNDANT evidence that being overweight/obese opens you up to a myriad of health conditions. I thought I was perfectly healthy at 5 foot 9 and 250 pounds until I blew out my fucking ankles taking a walk. I'm trying to be more body positive, which means I'm actually trying to take care of the only one I have, instead of blaming my failings on others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 12:20:08 pm
Sure is a big fucking health lecture in here.

And I bet none of you are physicians, except of the armchair variety.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 09, 2015, 12:23:16 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 12:20:08 pm
Sure is a big fucking health lecture in here.

And I bet none of you are physicians, except of the armchair variety.


How...ironic, ignoring statistics and studies you don't like.  Truly, 'Chew, you are a man of God.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 12:29:57 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 09, 2015, 12:23:16 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 12:20:08 pm
Sure is a big fucking health lecture in here.

And I bet none of you are physicians, except of the armchair variety.


How...ironic, ignoring statistics and studies you don't like.  Truly, 'Chew, you are a man of God.

There's a difference between asking for health advice and getting it, and the fat-shaming tactic of expounding on the horrors of obesity every day, whether the target wants to hear it or not.

It's a socially-sanctioned bullying tactic. Just admit that it satisfies your urge to bully and drop the pretense of being concerned about my health.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 09, 2015, 01:05:11 pm
I'm sorry reality hits a nerve, friend.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 09, 2015, 01:17:57 pm
Even though obesity purely by itself does not cause many health issues (stress/damage to the joints being one) it is often either a side effect of other health issues OR an aggravating factor to other health issues and diseases.

Besides, being slightly overweight won't usually do harm but there is a point where person becomes dangerously obese and that cannot be denied no matter how much you stress body positivity or right to make your own choices on health.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 09, 2015, 01:33:18 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 09, 2015, 01:05:11 pm
I'm sorry reality hits a nerve, friend.

Good to know being a dick is only verboten when Ironchew does it, guy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 09, 2015, 02:02:41 pm
Quote from: askold on November 09, 2015, 01:17:57 pm
Even though obesity purely by itself does not cause many health issues (stress/damage to the joints being one) it is often either a side effect of other health issues OR an aggravating factor to other health issues and diseases.

Besides, being slightly overweight won't usually do harm but there is a point where person becomes dangerously obese and that cannot be denied no matter how much you stress body positivity or right to make your own choices on health.

i read a study that showed that people who were 10kg overweight (you know, over the bmi bull) were on average healthier than 10 unders. the logic showing better food assimilation and better blood content. like maybe the body actually needs some fat to function.

still though, that's ten over, most people won't notice it on men (who'll look beefy), but suddenly it's on women and eww. give me fuller figures anyday of the week.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 09, 2015, 02:53:29 pm
Quote from: guizonde on November 09, 2015, 02:02:41 pm
Quote from: askold on November 09, 2015, 01:17:57 pm
Even though obesity purely by itself does not cause many health issues (stress/damage to the joints being one) it is often either a side effect of other health issues OR an aggravating factor to other health issues and diseases.

Besides, being slightly overweight won't usually do harm but there is a point where person becomes dangerously obese and that cannot be denied no matter how much you stress body positivity or right to make your own choices on health.

i read a study that showed that people who were 10kg overweight (you know, over the bmi bull) were on average healthier than 10 unders. the logic showing better food assimilation and better blood content. like maybe the body actually needs some fat to function.

still though, that's ten over, most people won't notice it on men (who'll look beefy), but suddenly it's on women and eww. give me fuller figures anyday of the week.

Yeah, that 10kg overweight thing seems to be true, there is enough evidence to support it. Besides, I can admit that people who complain to others about their obesity simply for reasons of appearance are dicks.

...And measuring things by weight only is highly inaccurate since fat weighs less than muscle and so on. People who have a weightlifters body look a bit "chubby" but it might be all muscle.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 09, 2015, 03:34:29 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 09, 2015, 01:33:18 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 09, 2015, 01:05:11 pm
I'm sorry reality hits a nerve, friend.

Good to know being a dick is only verboten when Ironchew does it, guy.

I don't remember ever giving him shit for being harsh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 09, 2015, 05:49:59 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 12:29:57 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 09, 2015, 12:23:16 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 12:20:08 pm
Sure is a big fucking health lecture in here.

And I bet none of you are physicians, except of the armchair variety.


How...ironic, ignoring statistics and studies you don't like.  Truly, 'Chew, you are a man of God.

There's a difference between asking for health advice and getting it, and the fat-shaming tactic of expounding on the horrors of obesity every day, whether the target wants to hear it or not.

It's a socially-sanctioned bullying tactic. Just admit that it satisfies your urge to bully and drop the pretense of being concerned about my health.

...So refuting some Tumblrina's claims that being fat is just as healthy in every way as being thin is now "fat-shaming"? You're a fucking moron.

You're perfectly happy to mention how irrational religion is, and fuck any religious person who gets offended. Yet your butt fills with untold levels of hurt as soon as someone mentions a fact that offends you. You really don't think that's a tad hypocritical?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 09, 2015, 06:07:17 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on November 09, 2015, 01:09:31 am
Quote from: rageaholic on November 08, 2015, 09:09:05 pm
From 2012 (http://randomlancila.tumblr.com/post/23887989816)

So they're mad at Laci Green (who's said some pretty silly things herself) for posting before and after weight loss pics.

Quote
It’s all well and good to say ‘this is my body, I’m not saying you should do what I did’, but simply by being as high profile as she is, and by telling her readers how she got to where it is, she’s implying that anyone can do it. And not everyone’s body works the way hers does. So what if her readers took her advice, did the same thing she did, and didn’t lose weight? What if their body didn’t change? They’re going to hate themselves more.

And I’m sorry, but posting progress pictures? How much weight you’ve lost? Before and after? That crosses a line.

As an advocate for body positivity, you have to understand how what you say might be taken by people who read it. Many people look up to Laci. They want to be like her. I read the notes in her post and there were so many 'how do you keep the weight off?’ 'Can you talk about what you have for meals?’ questions. It’s dangerous territory. People want to do what she did and expect the same results. She doesn’t have to say you 'should’ do anything, people simply believe it’s implied. That’s what happens when you look up to someone.


I have some advice for people who look up to Laci Green, whether they want to lose weight or not: get a better role model.

So....Laci Green took a squat in your cheerios or something?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 06:22:59 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 09, 2015, 05:49:59 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 12:29:57 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 09, 2015, 12:23:16 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 12:20:08 pm
Sure is a big fucking health lecture in here.

And I bet none of you are physicians, except of the armchair variety.


How...ironic, ignoring statistics and studies you don't like.  Truly, 'Chew, you are a man of God.

There's a difference between asking for health advice and getting it, and the fat-shaming tactic of expounding on the horrors of obesity every day, whether the target wants to hear it or not.

It's a socially-sanctioned bullying tactic. Just admit that it satisfies your urge to bully and drop the pretense of being concerned about my health.

...So refuting some Tumblrina's claims that being fat is just as healthy in every way as being thin is now "fat-shaming"? You're a fucking moron.

You're perfectly happy to mention how irrational religion is, and fuck any religious person who gets offended. Yet your butt fulls with untold levels of hurt as soon as someone mentions a fact that offends you. You really don't think that's a tad hypocritical?

Thing is, I don't go on religious forums harassing believers about it. They push enough of their religion on me that I don't have to.

It's not the same as having a highly visible disease that society treats as a moral vice. If you couldn't escape people dissecting the consequences of your life choices it would drive you up the wall too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 09, 2015, 06:30:24 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 06:22:59 pm
Thing is, I don't go on religious forums harassing believers about it. They push enough of their religion on me that I don't have to.

It's not the same as having a highly visible disease that society treats as a moral vice. If you couldn't escape people dissecting the consequences of your life choices it would drive you up the wall too.
If you go around making every mention of obesity being unhealthy that you hear about you, then it's no fucking wonder.

Besides, even if that were true, you're still demanding people not even mention, much less discuss, certain facts just because they offend you. That kind of mindset is bullshit for reasons I should hope are blindingly obvious to you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 06:34:03 pm
Oh, piss off. Yes, Tumblrinas say stupid shit every now and then. I'm just wondering why body positivity is such a lucrative target for FQA's "Worst of Social Justice" section, and why a few posters enjoy expounding on the evils of obesity whenever they get a chance. You know, besides the obvious reason that it's fun to bully people based on their appearance.

Last I checked, I wasn't censoring your posts for offending me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 09, 2015, 06:46:44 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 06:34:03 pm
Oh, piss off. Yes, Tumblrinas say stupid shit every now and then. I'm just wondering why body positivity is such a lucrative target for FQA's "Worst of Social Justice" section, and why a few posters enjoy expounding on the evils of obesity whenever they get a chance. You know, besides the obvious reason that it's fun to bully people based on their appearance.
Some idiot said that losing weight is inherently "fat-shaming" and that size has absolutely nothing to do with health, and people here refuted it. Same with any other topic that comes up around here. If you honestly think that counts as bullying, then you really need to grow some thicker skin.

Really now, I'm a fat bastard who thinks health nuts can fuck right off, yet I can still tell the difference between refuting an objectively false claim and harping at me about my eating habits. It's really not that hard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on November 09, 2015, 06:51:36 pm
Until you took offence, none of the comments about body positivity in this part of the thread were directed at you. Dakota has "lived the life" in being obese. So have I, for a fifteen year period earlier in my life. Yes, it is tiresome how stupid, insensitive and cruel some people are IRL and online, especially when it costs you a job interview or a second date. I feel you, Chew. But nobody here was personally going after your weight or size.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 09, 2015, 06:58:50 pm
Hell, that's partly how I got started on this whole "eating shit that won't kill me" thing.  It was an extremely uncomfortable topic for me.  Still is, in fact.  I hate it when people mention my weight and part of me wants to gouge out their eyes and laugh at their suffering when they bring it up because its basically the crux of literally every tiny bit of hell I suffered for most of my life.  I fucking hate myself, and it is pretty much the biggest factor in that.  Yet, I still broached it.  I accepted that its bad for me.  I do not have a family history that is conducive to a long-term, healthy life as a person that was over 150 kilos.  You're that heavy, and it can fucking kill you, as your risks for basically every bad physical thing possible shoots way the fuck up.  A little overweight?  Maybe up to 10-20 kilos over?  You're not at much risk, the body does afford you some leeway, but if you're a fat fuck like me...well, yeah.  That shit isn't good.  Even if you don't end up dying due to your increased risk of cancer, heart attack, and stroke, you'll still end up on pain killers by the time you're 40 because your spine could no longer handle the stress on it and you ended up rupturing a disc or fracturing one of your vertebrae.

There's nothing wrong with pointing that out, because its an established freaking fact.  Facts don't go away just because you don't like them.  I'm like Art, I absolutely loathe health nuts who insist I need to hit the gym for several hours every day or go running or somesuch bullshit.  Eat the right shit and get off your ass once in a while, and you'll be closer to your body's healthy weight.  That might be 50 kilos, it might be 150.  Everyone varies, but being grossly overweight is going to kick your ass when you're older.  I, personally, am not gonna end up using a cane by the time I'm 40 because I want to eat a dozen burritos that make Ron Jeremy's cock look like a Vienna sausage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on November 09, 2015, 07:12:57 pm
Well, I suppose Art's right in that I brought this on myself.

Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 09, 2015, 06:58:50 pm
Eat the right shit and get off your ass once in a while, and you'll be closer to your body's healthy weight.

You're lucky it was that easy for you to manage. Some other obese people aren't so lucky and there isn't much we can do now with our present medical knowledge to help them. Acknowledging the limits in our understanding of the mechanism of obesity and the ways to treat it are also part of "established freaking fact".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 09, 2015, 08:38:55 pm
I do understand that, though.  I apologize if I did not communicate that effectively.  Different people have different bodies.  For some folks, 130 kilo is "probably gonna die of a heart attack" territory while, for others, its perfectly fine.  It really does depend on what you eat, though.  It doesn't matter what you weigh, eating nothing but Cheetos, Ramen, and overpriced sugar-water for months on end is going to ruin your body pretty damned thoroughly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 09, 2015, 10:20:28 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 09, 2015, 08:38:55 pm
I do understand that, though.  I apologize if I did not communicate that effectively.  Different people have different bodies.  For some folks, 130 kilo is "probably gonna die of a heart attack" territory while, for others, its perfectly fine.  It really does depend on what you eat, though.  It doesn't matter what you weigh, eating nothing but Cheetos, Ramen, and overpriced sugar-water for months on end is going to ruin your body pretty damned thoroughly.


To be fair, that diet is unhealthy no matter what your weight. Ate something like that for nearly two years, and while only clocking in at 115 (pounds, not kilos) it fucked things up a bit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 09, 2015, 10:21:49 pm
Yup.  Did that for...well...a lot of my life, and not by choice.  When you barely got two quarters to rub together, ramen starts looking pretty fucking good.  Especially when all you had to eat for breakfast was a mustard packet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 10, 2015, 01:06:08 am
Yeah, ramen was a far better thing than starvation. I generally managed to have a slice of toast for breakfast, at least. 88 cent a loaf bread may not be good, but toast is toast. Occasionally managed to splurge on a box of Hot Pockets, and could get a gigantic bag of cheap-ass cereal every so often (no milk, though, that shit's pricey).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 10, 2015, 02:16:02 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 09, 2015, 08:38:55 pm
I do understand that, though.  I apologize if I did not communicate that effectively.  Different people have different bodies.  For some folks, 130 kilo is "probably gonna die of a heart attack" territory while, for others, its perfectly fine.

my best friend is in that case. clocking in anywhere from 115 to 125kg, he looks like a human powerhouse. helps that he's a drummer and has got as much muscle as fat, though. and his girlfriend does not complain.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 10, 2015, 04:14:14 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/o9j1gn.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 10, 2015, 04:15:50 pm
And the award for Excellence In Falling For Obvious Troll Posts goes to...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 10, 2015, 04:18:12 pm
Since when do dragons eat rocks in the first place? I thought mostly ate princesses.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on November 10, 2015, 04:40:16 pm
Dragons have teeth. Why would they swallow rocks? Unless they are giant birds who need to load there craw to grind up fair maidens that they swallowed whole? Anyway, Even Then called it...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 10, 2015, 08:33:00 pm
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/s2y5wh.jpg)

Twenty years ago, this idiot would've yelled at Chicanos for not considering Speedy Gonzales offensive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 10, 2015, 08:40:48 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 10, 2015, 04:18:12 pm
Since when do dragons eat rocks in the first place? I thought mostly ate princesses.

Its a D&D thing, might be a mythology thing.  Basically, a dragon gains power by eating precious stones and gold and whatnot.  Its also one of the steps in becoming a dracoliche.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 10, 2015, 08:46:18 pm
My own dragon from my stories just eats random stuff because he's a dumbass who never looks where he bites.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on November 10, 2015, 09:03:23 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 10, 2015, 08:33:00 pm
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/s2y5wh.jpg)

Twenty years ago, this idiot would've yelled at Chicanos for not considering Speedy Gonzales offensive.

Speedy himself wasn't offensive, he was a smart and energetic hero. But all the other "Mexican" characters in the cartoons were wretched stereotype buffoons.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 11, 2015, 12:40:54 am
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/esswus.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 11, 2015, 12:47:53 am
Wait, what.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 11, 2015, 12:51:40 am
Quote from: Svata on November 11, 2015, 12:47:53 am
Wait, what.

I have no idea.  These morons misuse "rape" more than a weeaboo misuses "desu."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 11, 2015, 12:53:20 am
I think they are talking about animal husbandry practices in the beef industry
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 11, 2015, 02:50:01 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 10, 2015, 04:18:12 pm
Since when do dragons eat rocks in the first place? I thought mostly ate princesses.
Spike eats diamonds in My little pony. I think that is where that meme comes from and I've seen a few "dragon-kin" posts where people talk about their "need" to eat jewels and diamonds in particular.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 11, 2015, 06:08:24 am
Quote from: askold on November 11, 2015, 02:50:01 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 10, 2015, 04:18:12 pm
Since when do dragons eat rocks in the first place? I thought mostly ate princesses.
Spike eats diamonds in My little pony. I think that is where that meme comes from and I've seen a few "dragon-kin" posts where people talk about their "need" to eat jewels and diamonds in particular.
But doesn't Spike eat other things as well? If I remember correctly, jewels seem to be like candy for him, not a staple of his diet. Why would someone feel someone feel some overpowering need to eat something that's not essential to their species? Oh, right, because they're a bunch of bored, embarrassing twelve year olds.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 11, 2015, 06:33:39 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 10, 2015, 08:33:00 pm
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/s2y5wh.jpg)

Twenty years ago, this idiot would've yelled at Chicanos for not considering Speedy Gonzales offensive.

Then again, a (insert marginalized group here) Halloween costume doesn't stop being a thing that shits on members of (insert marginalized group here) just because one prominent member of (insert marginalized group here) says it's not a thing that shits on (insert marginalized group here).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 11, 2015, 06:51:06 am
Quote from: Ghoti on November 11, 2015, 06:08:24 am
Quote from: askold on November 11, 2015, 02:50:01 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 10, 2015, 04:18:12 pm
Since when do dragons eat rocks in the first place? I thought mostly ate princesses.
Spike eats diamonds in My little pony. I think that is where that meme comes from and I've seen a few "dragon-kin" posts where people talk about their "need" to eat jewels and diamonds in particular.
But doesn't Spike eat other things as well? If I remember correctly, jewels seem to be like candy for him, not a staple of his diet. Why would someone feel someone feel some overpowering need to eat something that's not essential to their species? Oh, right, because they're a bunch of bored, embarrassing twelve year olds.
The show also has dragons making hoards of gems and eating them. I suppose it is possible that an adult dragon would build a food storage with nothing but the equivalent of candy but unless there are scenes showing a dragon other than Spike eating something that isn't rare gems I have another theory.

Maybe it's like with owners who force vegan diet on their cats? The rest of the food that Spike eats is really unhealthy for him but he learned to eat it because Twilight either can't afford to get him proper food or because she has been using up Spike's food allowance to buy more books for herself. After all, Spike grew up with Twilight and it has been shown that the pony knowledge of dragons is limited and even Spike himself doesn't know how to live as a dragon.

(Note that I have not seen all the episodes so there is a chance that my theory is flawed.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 11, 2015, 07:30:45 am
Quote from: askold on November 11, 2015, 06:51:06 am
Quote from: Ghoti on November 11, 2015, 06:08:24 am
Quote from: askold on November 11, 2015, 02:50:01 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 10, 2015, 04:18:12 pm
Since when do dragons eat rocks in the first place? I thought mostly ate princesses.
Spike eats diamonds in My little pony. I think that is where that meme comes from and I've seen a few "dragon-kin" posts where people talk about their "need" to eat jewels and diamonds in particular.
But doesn't Spike eat other things as well? If I remember correctly, jewels seem to be like candy for him, not a staple of his diet. Why would someone feel someone feel some overpowering need to eat something that's not essential to their species? Oh, right, because they're a bunch of bored, embarrassing twelve year olds.
The show also has dragons making hoards of gems and eating them. I suppose it is possible that an adult dragon would build a food storage with nothing but the equivalent of candy but unless there are scenes showing a dragon other than Spike eating something that isn't rare gems I have another theory.

Maybe it's like with owners who force vegan diet on their cats? The rest of the food that Spike eats is really unhealthy for him but he learned to eat it because Twilight either can't afford to get him proper food or because she has been using up Spike's food allowance to buy more books for herself. After all, Spike grew up with Twilight and it has been shown that the pony knowledge of dragons is limited and even Spike himself doesn't know how to live as a dragon.

(Note that I have not seen all the episodes so there is a chance that my theory is flawed.)
Hmm. You've got a point, but on the other hand, who cares?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on November 11, 2015, 08:15:02 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 11, 2015, 12:40:54 am
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/esswus.jpg)

I think there is an urban myth or rad-vegan gospel behind this one; a myth that meat eating causes aggression, as in it brings out your inner caveman, and it's been updated to include that hormones added to cattle feed does the same. Growth hormone is what they add, btw. It's like the old rad-vegan myth that eating meat makes your body stink. And that vegan shit don't stink.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 11, 2015, 08:30:30 am
If anything, red meat soothes my aggression.  Then again, I more have problems with anger than aggression, soooo...yeah.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 11, 2015, 06:10:39 pm
(http://oi67.tinypic.com/28umc5e.jpg)

That picture of the "real" Mozart in the middle is actually a picture of Chevalier de Saint-Georges, who is sometimes referred to as the Black Mozart.  He was a huge celebrity in his day, being a master swordsman, an amazing violinist, conductor, and composer of many operas.  Why don't Afrocentrists celebrate this guy instead of making stuff up about other composers?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SpaceProg on November 11, 2015, 06:16:51 pm
Where would be the divisive fun in that?
 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on November 11, 2015, 06:30:57 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 11, 2015, 12:40:54 am
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/esswus.jpg)

This:

Quote from: davedan on November 11, 2015, 12:53:20 am
I think they are talking about animal husbandry practices in the beef industry

Thinking insemination practices as rape is just logical for a more extreme animal rights activist who considers cows to have similar rights to sexual self-determination as humans have.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 12, 2015, 01:52:06 am
Quote from: Ghoti on November 11, 2015, 07:30:45 am
Hmm. You've got a point, but on the other hand, who cares?

Have you seen the MLP fandom? Some of them consider this EXTREMELY serious business!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on November 12, 2015, 06:25:29 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 05, 2015, 07:32:59 pm
I support government-subsidized abortion mega-clinics, graduated income tax based on penis size, the use of unmanned predator drones to shoot spitwads at Donald Trump, tax breaks for sexually active, cohabitating, non-married couples, and mining the cast of Jersey Shore to restore world petroleum reserves.

RAVYNOUSHUNTER FOR DICTATOR!  FOR A STRANGER, MORE INTERESTING AMERICA!

My name is The L and I support this message.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on November 12, 2015, 07:14:44 pm
Quote from: askold on November 09, 2015, 01:17:57 pm
Even though obesity purely by itself does not cause many health issues (stress/damage to the joints being one) it is often either a side effect of other health issues OR an aggravating factor to other health issues and diseases.

Besides, being slightly overweight won't usually do harm but there is a point where person becomes dangerously obese and that cannot be denied no matter how much you stress body positivity or right to make your own choices on health.

This is true.  However, we also live in a society in which an obese woman suffered from LUNG CANCER for 5 years, with doctor after doctor after doctor just telling her "Oh, you just need to lose some weight--that's why you're short of breath!" and ignoring her other symptoms. (http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/09/medical-fat-shaming-danger/)  It took that fucking long for her to find a doctor who would even perform any scans or tests whatsoever to find out if anything else was going on.  She lost a lung, and could have lost her life, because of a common phenomenon known as "medical fat-shaming" by the overweight crowd.

It's one thing to say "obesity can contribute to a variety of health problems."  It is quite another to pretend that ALL of a fat person's health problems can be solved by them just not being fat anymore.  That's not always how it works.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 12, 2015, 07:28:39 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 11, 2015, 12:40:54 am
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/esswus.jpg)

... it's a dick joke. a gay dick joke. a gay dick rape joke. that has to be it. *please wait... guizonde is rebooting... loading... loading...*

ok, that quote brained me a little.

unless they're talking about ducks. those tasty bastards have rape-orgies to reproduce.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 12, 2015, 08:43:08 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/38IKa5O.png)
*Gordon Ramsay voice* Words mean things, you fucking donkey!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 12, 2015, 08:49:04 pm
by that logic, i'm a trout. whaddaya mean it's not valid? why do you hate freedom and choice?!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 12, 2015, 08:56:22 pm
Quote from: guizonde on November 12, 2015, 08:49:04 pm
by that logic, i'm a trout. whaddaya mean it's not valid? why do you hate freedom and choice?!
It's only ""~valid~"" if you identify as troutkin and use trout/trouts/troutself pronouns, you shitlord.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 12, 2015, 09:22:51 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on November 12, 2015, 08:56:22 pm
Quote from: guizonde on November 12, 2015, 08:49:04 pm
by that logic, i'm a trout. whaddaya mean it's not valid? why do you hate freedom and choice?!
It's only ""~valid~"" if you identify as troutkin and use trout/trouts/troutself pronouns, you shitlord.

don't judge me you troutnormative shitlord!1one!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on November 12, 2015, 09:41:22 pm
If I identify as a grizzly bear and use bear/bears/bearself pronouns, am I allowed to eat you?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 12, 2015, 11:46:38 pm
CANNIBALISM!! (Or oral sex. One or the other.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on November 12, 2015, 11:56:39 pm
Quote from: Svata on November 12, 2015, 11:46:38 pm
CANNIBALISM!! (Or oral sex. One or the other.)

...not again.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 12, 2015, 11:59:00 pm
Quote from: Captain Random on November 12, 2015, 11:56:39 pm
Quote from: Svata on November 12, 2015, 11:46:38 pm
CANNIBALISM!! (Or oral sex. One or the other.)

...not again.


FQA and Cannibalism, forever and always, together till the end of time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 13, 2015, 12:03:18 am
Why not Both!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on November 13, 2015, 12:22:02 am
Quote from: TheL on November 12, 2015, 07:14:44 pm
Quote from: askold on November 09, 2015, 01:17:57 pm
Even though obesity purely by itself does not cause many health issues (stress/damage to the joints being one) it is often either a side effect of other health issues OR an aggravating factor to other health issues and diseases.

Besides, being slightly overweight won't usually do harm but there is a point where person becomes dangerously obese and that cannot be denied no matter how much you stress body positivity or right to make your own choices on health.

This is true.  However, we also live in a society in which an obese woman suffered from LUNG CANCER for 5 years, with doctor after doctor after doctor just telling her "Oh, you just need to lose some weight--that's why you're short of breath!" and ignoring her other symptoms. (http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/09/medical-fat-shaming-danger/)  It took that fucking long for her to find a doctor who would even perform any scans or tests whatsoever to find out if anything else was going on.  She lost a lung, and could have lost her life, because of a common phenomenon known as "medical fat-shaming" by the overweight crowd.

It's one thing to say "obesity can contribute to a variety of health problems."  It is quite another to pretend that ALL of a fat person's health problems can be solved by them just not being fat anymore.  That's not always how it works.

Depending on the size of the person. Quite often even if there is cancer of some other problem, the doctors cant do anything because the fat gets in the way of treatment. My father had / has a brain tumor and before they could perform the treatment he had to loose weight to be only 120kg, and that was still dangerously overloading the limit of the operating machine. Not to mention that since he has ballooned in weight again since, his medicine barely functions because of his mass.

Being fat might not be the cause of the problems, but it can both hide other problems, limit options and decrease the effectiveness of treatment. Short version, being fat screws you over medically.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 13, 2015, 08:03:03 am
Quote from: Svata on November 12, 2015, 11:59:00 pm
Quote from: Captain Random on November 12, 2015, 11:56:39 pm
Quote from: Svata on November 12, 2015, 11:46:38 pm
CANNIBALISM!! (Or oral sex. One or the other.)

...not again.


FQA and Cannibalism, forever and always, together till the end of time.

to prove the point. i was looking at my entry in the newbie thread when i came up on this:

Quote from: ironbite on April 30, 2013, 01:37:35 am
Nope gonna have to eat you.

Ironbite-sorry just what I do round here.

it's what we do around here...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 13, 2015, 10:27:11 am
I was eating people before it was cool.  Hell, I was eating people before there were people!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 13, 2015, 12:55:13 pm
Quote from: ironbite on November 13, 2015, 10:27:11 am
I was eating people before it was cool.  Hell, I was eating people before there were people!

you can add "cannibal hipster" to your long list of titles then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 13, 2015, 04:18:43 pm
(http://oi67.tinypic.com/3164wer.jpg)

Even if that's true, that doesn't make what you're saying correct.  That's like a politician saying his campaign is gaining momentum, and some nitpicker saying "well, in physics, the definition of 'momentum' is...".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 13, 2015, 05:09:51 pm
This is how many sociologists define the term racism, yes... in their papers, explicitly said such. Usually the text is something like "for the purposes of this paper, the term 'racism' will be defined as x y and z", which is all well and good as long as you're talking about that paper. But here in the world outside of that paper, we use the dictionary definition, thank you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on November 13, 2015, 06:55:39 pm
The problem I sort of have with "racism=power+prejudice" is that it seems to view racism as "whites vs everyone else".  This ignores racial relations and problems between different poc.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 13, 2015, 08:24:33 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on November 13, 2015, 06:55:39 pm
The problem I sort of have with "racism=power+prejudice" is that it seems to view racism as "whites vs everyone else".  This ignores racial relations and problems between different poc.

And that white-majority societies are not the only ones in the world, and that "power" is a complex concept that doesn't strictly reduce to structural power, and probably other stuff as well.

I mean, I totally get why it's a thing. I know why people cringe preemptively every time "reverse racism" comes up, and I cringe with them. But the definition is, let's say... problematic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 13, 2015, 09:46:39 pm
Quote from: ironbite on November 13, 2015, 10:27:11 am
I was eating people before it was cool.  Hell, I was eating people before there were people!
So what you're saying is that you swallow?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cataclysm on November 15, 2015, 02:03:08 am
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-14-at-15.03.271.png)

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/11/slack-imgs.com_.jpeg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on November 15, 2015, 02:09:20 am
What is Mizzou, exactly?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 15, 2015, 02:13:20 am
The University of Missouri... where I cannot remember a terrorist attack happening.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 15, 2015, 02:35:36 am
Regarding the Mizzou hashtag: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/13/heres-how-the-university-of-missouri-confrontation-got-so-extreme/

Oh the horror... Someone called black person "N-word" a swastika had been made from feces and people had to resign to appease the protesters.

People on the net are already claiming that Paris attacks getting to the front page in newspapers is racist because it is meant to drown out the grievances of the black people who suffer from discrimination in USA.

...For the record, I'm not saying that the minorities in Missouri don't have real problems. It's just that this is not a contest and media making a terrorist attack that kills over a hundred people into a bigger news story than a week long hunger strike that forced someone to resign is not a sign of conspiracy to keep "POCs" out of news. (I would say that the media being so quiet about the other targets for these terrorist attacks is a sign of media preferring to talk about white/european victims and ignoring the violence in the middle east. Which is a shame because the attacks are clearly linked.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 15, 2015, 09:15:59 am
Worse then that actually.  There were arrests made of people who made credible death threats.  So yeah the protests there have been overshadowed by Paris but that's how it goes in the news media.

Ironbite-nothing racist about it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 15, 2015, 09:50:08 am
Also, unless I'm confusing this with another incident, one of the protesters is from a rich family so some people are using it as proof that this protest is over nothing. Apparently the logic is: "If you are rich you can't suffer from discrimination and if you aren't a victim then you are not allowed to protest against inequality and any protest you are part of is obviously fake."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 15, 2015, 10:11:30 am
The plot thickens:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/12/payton-head-mizzou-student-body-president-apologiz/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/12/payton-head-mizzou-student-body-president-apologiz/)

Turns out the Mizzou student body president was spreading false rumors about a KKK threat.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 15, 2015, 10:31:35 am
Quote from: askold on November 15, 2015, 09:50:08 am
Also, unless I'm confusing this with another incident, one of the protesters is from a rich family so some people are using it as proof that this protest is over nothing. Apparently the logic is: "If you are rich you can't suffer from discrimination and if you aren't a victim then you are not allowed to protest against inequality and any protest you are part of is obviously fake."

Reminds me of a Russell Brand quote.

(http://upw-prod-images.global.ssl.fastly.net/nugget/52ceec7bcaaa527fb000290f/attachments/russell-brand-quote-graphic-e6b6df5387d9cdab393230cb1849f152.jpg)

Ironbite-sums it up don't it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on November 15, 2015, 11:50:28 am
[sarcasm]Well, he's British. What does he know about economic injustice in America? [/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 15, 2015, 12:07:54 pm
Quote from: rookie on November 15, 2015, 11:50:28 am
[sarcasm]Well, he's British. What does he know about economic injustice in America? [/sarcasm]

Use blue text for sarcasm.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 15, 2015, 12:17:31 pm
That's... not actually a rule, is it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 15, 2015, 12:20:25 pm
Does he look like a mod?  Of fucking course it's not a rule.  Just a suggestion.

Ironbite-one that is a pretty good one in my book.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on November 15, 2015, 12:59:05 pm
[not sarcasm]I used to know how to do stuff like that, change font colors and size and bold/underline and whatnot. But I haven't done that in long enough that those skills have atrophied. So now I have to get creative in expressing my thoughts in such a way that my fellow members can understand them. [/not sarcasm]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 15, 2015, 01:54:51 pm
It's just the imperative tone that threw me off.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 15, 2015, 02:28:50 pm
Quote from: Even Then on November 15, 2015, 12:17:31 pm
That's... not actually a rule, is it?

It's a recognisable convention but nothing else.

I prefer to let sarcasm be obvious in itself or use fake-bbcode tags like you did.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 15, 2015, 08:35:57 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/5p1yfs.jpg)

I guess World of Warcraft is problematic now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 15, 2015, 08:37:30 pm
I honestly think "kek" is annoying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 15, 2015, 08:50:00 pm
Whenever I hear it, I hear it repeated nonstop as the evil laugh of some kind of deranged KKK affiliated villain.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 15, 2015, 08:55:24 pm
I always thought it was a Startcraft meme (stemming from "zerg rush kekekekekekekeke!"), not a WoW thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on November 15, 2015, 10:24:11 pm
StarCraft got it started, but any game with a big Korean presence will have it (kek is the Korean onomatopoeia equivalent of hah).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 15, 2015, 10:29:43 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on November 15, 2015, 10:24:11 pm
StarCraft got it started, but any game with a big Korean presence will have it (kek is the Korean onomatopoeia equivalent of hah).

Huh.  I thought "kek" was how World of Warcraft translated "lol" when playing for the Horde.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 16, 2015, 01:59:42 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 15, 2015, 10:29:43 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on November 15, 2015, 10:24:11 pm
StarCraft got it started, but any game with a big Korean presence will have it (kek is the Korean onomatopoeia equivalent of hah).

Huh.  I thought "kek" was how World of Warcraft translated "lol" when playing for the Horde.

It's a mix of the two. "Kekekekekeke" came from Starcraft players in Korea and "Kek" was in WoW. Since Horde and alliance players are speaking different languages (for gameplay reasons this includes the undead who are mainly former humans and all the other characters that really should know how to speak the Alliance languages.) their comments are transformed into gibberish if seen by players from the other faction. But the gibberish did seem to follow some logic and someone speaking orcish and saying "lol" would always have it translated into "kek" when seen/heard by Alliance characters.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 16, 2015, 02:52:28 pm
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/2gx34b8.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on November 16, 2015, 03:30:51 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 16, 2015, 02:52:28 pm
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/2gx34b8.jpg)

Yeah, because they live there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on November 16, 2015, 10:52:01 pm
The French weren't the masterminds behind the slave trade...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 16, 2015, 11:02:01 pm
...The France?  The France?

Ironbite-really?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 16, 2015, 11:23:40 pm
The France are a country with a rich culture. Much fashion originates in the capitol of the France country, Paris.

The France people will stand together even in the face of catastrophe done unto many of France people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 16, 2015, 11:28:53 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 16, 2015, 02:52:28 pm
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/2gx34b8.jpg)

France was one of the first European nations to outlaw slavery, all the way back in 1315. Yes, before even the Hundred Years War began! This was later rescinded for the colonies, but never for the mother country. Even in the colonies, it's well known that of the European nations in North America, France was by far the best at treating the slaves there. When France became a republic in 1792, they were quick to abolish slavery as well, though Napoleon brought it back a decade later. Then, when they became a republic again, slavery was one of the first things to go.

But who am I kidding, all white people are evil am I right? Fuck whitey.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on November 17, 2015, 12:05:59 am
Being of French African descent (My family migrated from Marseille to Quebec and finally to Louisiana for some reason.)  I have to say to this image, shut your fucking mouth you, et mange toutes les bites!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cataclysm on November 17, 2015, 01:02:47 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJAuVQlLxD0
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on November 17, 2015, 02:22:30 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on November 15, 2015, 02:09:20 am
What is Mizzou, exactly?

Someone drew a swastika out of shit in a bathroom, a university president got fired for not stopping it or something, and now the people who are on hunger strike over the shit swastika are mad someone is stealing their thunder with something that actually matters.

What is protesting a shit swastika going to do? Humiliate and shame the person who did it? The person drew a shit swastika, they have no shame and you can't humiliate them more than they did to themselves by making said shit drawing. However protesting and going apeshit over it is likely exactly what the edgelord wanted to happen when they did the drawing. I'm sure they're laughing their ass off now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 17, 2015, 02:30:28 am
Don't forget that a guy who had not drawn the swastika had to resign because he hadn't used precognitive abilities to be able to prevent it from being drawn.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 17, 2015, 04:56:20 am
If anyone ever asks me why I think Neo-Nazis are jokes, I'll say "one made a shit swastika".

That should clear that right up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 17, 2015, 07:38:03 am
Yeah and also there were racist death threats (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/11/12/death-threats-at-howard-u-with-references-to-mizzou-under-investigation/).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on November 17, 2015, 08:54:30 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 16, 2015, 02:52:28 pm
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/2gx34b8.jpg)

Wait a minute. The blacks are praying for enemy tribes?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 17, 2015, 09:08:15 am
Speaking of Mizzou, has that cuntbag teacher that wanted to remove a photographer from their "safe space" been fired yet?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on November 17, 2015, 01:36:00 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on November 17, 2015, 09:08:15 am
Speaking of Mizzou, has that cuntbag teacher that wanted to remove a photographer from their "safe space" been fired yet?

She resigned (http://www.mediaite.com/online/university-of-missouri-professor-melissa-click-resigns-her-position/) and it seems that the cops are considering charging her with assault (http://fox2now.com/2015/11/13/missouri-police-mulling-charges-against-professor-melissa-click/).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on November 17, 2015, 02:34:35 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on November 16, 2015, 11:28:53 pm
France was one of the first European nations to outlaw slavery, all the way back in 1315. Yes, before even the Hundred Years War began! This was later rescinded for the colonies, but never for the mother country. Even in the colonies, it's well known that of the European nations in North America, France was by far the best at treating the slaves there. When France became a republic in 1792, they were quick to abolish slavery as well, though Napoleon brought it back a decade later. Then, when they became a republic again, slavery was one of the first things to go.

But who am I kidding, all white people are evil am I right? Fuck whitey.

This is tangential to the discussion but the way the French treated their slaves in Haiti (or Saint Domingue as they called it) was even more brutal than the treatment of slaves in general. If I recall right, a slave there lasted about 5 years in average before dying of the brutal working conditions and other savagery. They might have treated their slaves better in the North America, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 17, 2015, 02:51:32 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on November 17, 2015, 02:34:35 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on November 16, 2015, 11:28:53 pm
France was one of the first European nations to outlaw slavery, all the way back in 1315. Yes, before even the Hundred Years War began! This was later rescinded for the colonies, but never for the mother country. Even in the colonies, it's well known that of the European nations in North America, France was by far the best at treating the slaves there. When France became a republic in 1792, they were quick to abolish slavery as well, though Napoleon brought it back a decade later. Then, when they became a republic again, slavery was one of the first things to go.

But who am I kidding, all white people are evil am I right? Fuck whitey.

This is tangential to the discussion but the way the French treated their slaves in Haiti (or Saint Domingue as they called it) was even more brutal than the treatment of slaves in general. If I recall right, a slave there lasted about 5 years in average before dying of the brutal working conditions and other savagery. They might have treated their slaves better in the North America, though.

I'm afraid I'm not learned enough to know myself. All the information above was just cleaned from a Wikipedia article. I actually have no idea what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 17, 2015, 03:01:12 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on November 17, 2015, 02:34:35 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on November 16, 2015, 11:28:53 pm
France was one of the first European nations to outlaw slavery, all the way back in 1315. Yes, before even the Hundred Years War began! This was later rescinded for the colonies, but never for the mother country. Even in the colonies, it's well known that of the European nations in North America, France was by far the best at treating the slaves there. When France became a republic in 1792, they were quick to abolish slavery as well, though Napoleon brought it back a decade later. Then, when they became a republic again, slavery was one of the first things to go.

But who am I kidding, all white people are evil am I right? Fuck whitey.

This is tangential to the discussion but the way the French treated their slaves in Haiti (or Saint Domingue as they called it) was even more brutal than the treatment of slaves in general. If I recall right, a slave there lasted about 5 years in average before dying of the brutal working conditions and other savagery. They might have treated their slaves better in the North America, though.

You're right about the North America part.  French colonies followed the Code Noir, which had articles requiring the humane treatment of slaves.  Slaves got Sundays off.  Their masters were forbidden from torturing, mutilating, or killing them.  Slaves could seek legal action against abusive masters.  And splitting up a slave family was explicitly forbidden.  By the standards of the time, it was pretty good.

As for Haiti, I think it depended on the industry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on November 17, 2015, 04:58:58 pm
Yeah, if you were a part of the majority of the slaves working in the sugar cane fields you were screwed: it was cheaper to bring in new slaves to replace the dead than organize the work in a more humane way. Because of the horrendous working conditions the slave owners had to also use different brutal tortures as punishments to scare the slaves to obedience and even then they rebelled. The Haiti rebellion did cause quite a debate in the mainland France since the according to the Enlightenment principles the rebelling slaves were the "good guys".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 17, 2015, 05:29:29 pm
Even when slavery was illegal it was still practiced. One of the greatest cross-examinations by Sir Edward Carson was his cross examination of the head of cadbury about the use of carribean slaves in growing cocoa. (His other great cross examination was of oscar wilde) but at least on the cadbury one he was hired by the good guys.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on November 17, 2015, 05:52:02 pm
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/2f3efd76abc355a0c1e8cb5fafb724d8/tumblr_nxz0kqkG9u1u00qgto1_500.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 17, 2015, 06:04:46 pm
Moosegender: When your gender is big, strong, very surly and will break every goddamn bone in your body at the tiniest provocation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 17, 2015, 06:15:47 pm
... i have no words for this.

what the hell, tumblr? what's next? octo-gender for when you collect genders? maybegender for those times you don't know which to pick?

@art: obligatory pms joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 17, 2015, 06:21:10 pm
I'm Tyrannosaurusgender: when your gender is loud, roaring, and makes your arms useless.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cataclysm on November 17, 2015, 07:42:41 pm
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11208639_996926907015119_8591134368775905339_n.jpg?oh=647928c5a20ffb9d11d80dd41a18f066&oe=56B101AA)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 17, 2015, 08:01:01 pm
I don't really understand the "Ms. Male" argument. Is the problem that only the gender was changed while the characterization remained intact? (Insofar as Link even has characterization.) There is no particular way that male or female characters need to be separated in personality and characterization (unless the game actually explores gender and how people think of it or something to that effect, which I'm pretty sure LoZ doesn't do, it's not that sort of game series, not that there's anything wrong with that)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 17, 2015, 08:04:51 pm
Linkle has been around since the series began in one form or another.  Hell, she was supposed to be in Link's Crossbow Training.

Ironbite-besides, she's not that bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 17, 2015, 08:11:59 pm
I always thought Link was a girl anyway
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on November 17, 2015, 09:54:13 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on November 17, 2015, 06:04:46 pm
Moosegender: When your gender is big, strong, very surly and will break every goddamn bone in your body at the tiniest provocation.
#notallswampdonkeys
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on November 17, 2015, 11:07:44 pm
Quote from: davedan on November 17, 2015, 08:11:59 pm
I always thought Link was a girl anyway
Yeah, but what if Zelda wa-*gets arrowed*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on November 18, 2015, 11:01:50 am
PiGender, describes irrational people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on November 18, 2015, 11:53:13 am
Quote from: pyro on November 18, 2015, 11:01:50 am
PiGender, describes irrational people.

No, eGender describes irrational people on the internet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 18, 2015, 12:18:31 pm
We really need some rhymes here.

BlenderGender ...For people who have loud sex and make a mess in the kitchen?

SlenderGender ...For people who identify as internet horror memes?

*Looks for help in Rhymezone*


...Community center Gender? ...Fender Gender? Sexual offender Gender?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on November 18, 2015, 01:21:28 pm
Huh. All this time I thought I was a white straight cis male (the enemy). Turns out I'm a blender?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: MadCatTLX on November 18, 2015, 01:43:59 pm
Quote from: dpareja on November 18, 2015, 11:53:13 am
Quote from: pyro on November 18, 2015, 11:01:50 am
PiGender, describes irrational people.

No, eGender describes irrational people on the internet.

All this tumblr people don't realize that all these genders are igenders.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on November 18, 2015, 02:44:17 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on November 18, 2015, 01:43:59 pm
Quote from: dpareja on November 18, 2015, 11:53:13 am
Quote from: pyro on November 18, 2015, 11:01:50 am
PiGender, describes irrational people.

No, eGender describes irrational people on the internet.

All this tumblr people don't realize that all these genders are igenders.

If I'm a techie and a male, does that make my gender complex?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on November 18, 2015, 03:27:05 pm
Quote from: MadCatTLX on November 18, 2015, 01:43:59 pm
Quote from: dpareja on November 18, 2015, 11:53:13 am
Quote from: pyro on November 18, 2015, 11:01:50 am
PiGender, describes irrational people.

No, eGender describes irrational people on the internet.

All this tumblr people don't realize that all these genders are igenders.

Touché.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 18, 2015, 03:31:13 pm
Aaaaanyway I would like to submit this entire blog. (http://terfisaslur.tumblr.com/) (warning: rampant transphobia, particularly towards trans women). But that's cheating, so I'll just submit these quotes. (also transphobia)

(click to show/hide)

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 18, 2015, 04:49:47 pm
.....what?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 18, 2015, 04:54:48 pm
I submitted transphobic feminists into the Worst of Social Justice thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 19, 2015, 06:24:04 pm
(click to show/hide)

the "gluten-free museum". don't know if it's a thing or not, but it's so over the top i had to post it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 19, 2015, 07:15:48 pm
It's a joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on November 20, 2015, 12:08:57 am
Quote from: guizonde on November 19, 2015, 06:24:04 pm
(click to show/hide)

the "gluten-free museum". don't know if it's a thing or not, but it's so over the top i had to post it.

From an artistic point of view that's actually pretty clever, and impressive. I dont know if its trying to make some kind of statement, but taking a theme and working through it like that is a fascinating look at our world, art and history. Most noticeably you can see how the prominence of grain farming was one of the corner stones of today's society. I doubt we would have come along as well as we have if we hadn't had grain as a source of carbohydrates available to us.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 20, 2015, 12:47:47 am
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/ehf60p.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on November 20, 2015, 08:07:55 am
To be fair it's different writers, but Linkle IS basically a female Link, right? maybe they'd prefer her if she dyed her hair purple and started a blog.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 20, 2015, 09:11:37 am
UP's seeing something that isn't actually there is all.

Ironbite-and the writers really really really want more then what Nintendo intends to give them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 20, 2015, 09:12:39 am
An attractive Link...well, that would almost be a reason to buy a Nintendo console if the modern ones didn't suck.

[The only good elf is a dead female elf.  Except in Elder Scrolls.  All elves in TES are fugly as hell...and assholes.]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 20, 2015, 02:03:38 pm
Only the high elves. The bosmer (wood elves)... wait, cannibalism. Dunmer? They seem alright. And the Orismer are generally cool, so long as you don't start anything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 20, 2015, 03:17:51 pm
Quote from: Svata on November 20, 2015, 02:03:38 pm
Only the high elves. The bosmer (wood elves)... wait, cannibalism. Dunmer? They seem alright necrophiles. And the Orismer are generally cool, so long as you don't start anything because orks. also, crazy fantastic sexism.

ftfy
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 20, 2015, 03:21:58 pm
Quote from: guizonde on November 20, 2015, 03:17:51 pm
Quote from: Svata on November 20, 2015, 02:03:38 pm
Only the high elves. The bosmer (wood elves)... wait, cannibalism. Dunmer? They seem alright necrophiles. And the Orismer are generally cool, so long as you don't start anything because orks. also, crazy fantastic sexism.

ftfy


Oh, honestly didn't know the  necrophilia. And being orcs isn't inherently bad. But yeah, sexism. Then again, medieval-type society, and humans have it too. So, you know, no worse than humans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 20, 2015, 03:38:38 pm
I think we can all agree but fuck the Thalmor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 20, 2015, 05:11:38 pm
Quote from: ironbite on November 20, 2015, 03:38:38 pm
I think we can all agree but fuck the Thalmor.


Most certainly fuck the Thalmor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on November 20, 2015, 05:54:13 pm
The one thing everyone in Tamriel agrees on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 20, 2015, 06:04:23 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on November 20, 2015, 05:54:13 pm
The one thing everyone in Tamriel agrees on.


Even the Thalmor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 20, 2015, 07:55:15 pm
i never said orcs was a bad thing. they'll just rough you up. they're equal opportunity brawlers. speaking of which, film the thalmor getting fucked up by an ork berserker. grab popcorn. enjoy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 20, 2015, 09:06:55 pm
I'd pay good money to see Ork boyz attack the Thalmor. Nevar enuff dakka.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 23, 2015, 12:42:26 pm
(http://oi67.tinypic.com/se1st2.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on November 23, 2015, 01:31:31 pm
Why Jonathan McIntosh specifically, I wonder?

I would have a detailed discussion about it, I suppose, but it involves *that thing* UP is so desperate about baiting us into mentioning outside F&B.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 23, 2015, 01:43:16 pm
regarding what mcintosh said, i think a massive "citation needed" is in order. i mean, what does "the pathology of male privilege" even mean?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 23, 2015, 02:41:18 pm
That is so far removed from worst of social justice. This is simply a means of collaterally arguing gamergate.

And Guizonde's point largely boils down to "social justice because big words and no citation in a 140 character tweet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 23, 2015, 02:50:45 pm
What? It looks like it fits in with the rest of the stuff here. Even if that dude is related to the GG debacle he is using the same justifications as the SJWs are. "Privileged people can never be 'victims' and don't deserve help."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 23, 2015, 02:54:12 pm
I gotta agree with askold here. Divorced from the author, it sounds like another "men have no problems except those that more feminism will solve" message that tends to come up here.

Also, it's not "a 140 character tweet". It's four. That's almost 600 characters there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 23, 2015, 02:59:46 pm
I read it as more "men have problems but a significant amount of them stem from toxic masculinity". Which isn't that far-off.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheContrarian on November 23, 2015, 03:00:36 pm
Quote from: askold on November 23, 2015, 02:50:45 pm
What? It looks like it fits in with the rest of the stuff here. Even if that dude is related to the GG debacle he is using the same justifications as the SJWs are. "Privileged people can never be 'victims' and don't deserve help."

What nonsense.  You can bring up the issues affecting men whenever you like.  It's just that if you do try and bring it up you'll be told that it's unnecessary because you can bring it up whenever you like.

Then we can balance this mansplaining out with a new crusade against misogynist microaggressions like air conditioning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on November 23, 2015, 03:25:23 pm
I like the way you think, Contrarian. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 23, 2015, 03:33:46 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 23, 2015, 02:41:18 pm
That is so far removed from worst of social justice. This is simply a means of collaterally arguing gamergate.

And Guizonde's point largely boils down to "social justice because big words and no citation in a 140 character tweet.

no, i did not say that. i didn't even say social justice, i said "what does the pathology of male privilege mean?" i have no clue. regarding the statistics, i guess that as an average men use more violent methods of ending their lives. hell, i hanged myself and slashed my wrists, although i did try overdose out of curiosity. since i'm still around to read someone consistently misinterpreting what i say, that means i haven't tried enough obviously. but i'm not talking about the pissing contest of depression and suicide. what would need to be done is get better access to treatment and therapy. but that's besides the point. the "citation needed" i pulled was regarding comic book covers and the "commercialism" of international men's day.

this isn't social justice. that's buzzwords for retweets. and that's a pathetic cry for relevance.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 23, 2015, 04:34:45 pm
And saying "women attempt suicide more" is misleading.  People who attempt suicide once are fairly likely to make subsequent attempts.  And since these statistics are based on incidents rather than individuals, it seems fairly likely that the number of women who attempt suicide is smaller than the statistics would look like to a layman.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 23, 2015, 04:38:05 pm
That would still count as women attempting suicide more, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 23, 2015, 04:47:41 pm
Quote from: Even Then on November 23, 2015, 04:38:05 pm
That would still count as women attempting suicide more, though.

Technically, yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean more women attempt suicide.

Besides, there's a big difference between a suicide attempt and a successful suicide.  A failed suicide leaves behind a living person, who can potentially be rehabilitated.  A successful suicide leaves a corpse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheContrarian on November 23, 2015, 05:06:01 pm
Quote from: Even Then on November 23, 2015, 04:38:05 pm
That would still count as women attempting suicide more, though.

Look at fatality statistics.

For men between 26-34 in the UK suicide beats heart disease and cancer to top spot in the list of causes of death.

If more women than men are attempting suicide but more men are actually finishing the job you can posit a number of different possible conclusions.

1. Women are just bad at planning and implementing their way out
2. MISOGYNY
3. Attention seeking

Or it could just be the usual feminist thing of taking an issue that affects men, claiming it affects women more then screeching until the patriarchy government caves in and throws money at them until they go away.

It worked with female-only homeless shelters.  I guess it's just too bad that 88-91% of everyone sleeping rough is male.  WOMYN ARE MORE AFFECTED THOUGH.

XD
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on November 23, 2015, 08:42:56 pm
^ I actually agree with you here. If more men are dying of suicide, then suicide is killing men more. Let's stop comparing levels of oppression and just try to fix the problem.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 23, 2015, 09:10:55 pm
^ Fair point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 23, 2015, 09:39:50 pm
I suppose this is something.

Point to Contrarian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 24, 2015, 02:00:39 am
If I remember correctly this is mainly about the methods chosen for attempted suicide. Generally speaking usually the first suicide attempt is a failure either due to the method failing or the person simply becoming scared and changing their mind half way through. Also men and women have slight difference in what methods they are most likely to use and men gravitate towards methods that are more likely to work.

Men use things like hanging and firearms which are likely to be lethal QUICKLY. Women are more likely to use drug overdose and even though that is also lethal it takes a while so someone can find them and if they change their mind after taking the drugs there are ways to flush their system and get them help. (Particularly if they are trying to overdose on some medication rather than using poison.) Particularly guns are mainly used by men, which is probably because men are more likely to own guns.

And I don't doubt that there are equally many men who have second thoughts about their suicide attempts, but that's kinda hard to undo when you are hanging with a rope around your neck.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on November 24, 2015, 04:33:26 am
Though let's be honest, the only reason McIntosh was repeatedly mentioned is because he is a for of Ultie 's pet cause, it that shall not be named outside f&b.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 24, 2015, 09:48:55 am
Quote from: niam2023 on November 24, 2015, 04:33:26 am
Though let's be honest, the only reason McIntosh was repeatedly mentioned is because he is a for of Ultie 's pet cause, it that shall not be named outside f&b.

Okay? So? Divorced from the author, do you believe the content does or does not belong here?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on November 24, 2015, 12:55:09 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on November 24, 2015, 09:48:55 am
Quote from: niam2023 on November 24, 2015, 04:33:26 am
Though let's be honest, the only reason McIntosh was repeatedly mentioned is because he is a for of Ultie 's pet cause, it that shall not be named outside f&b.

Okay? So? Divorced from the author, do you believe the content does or does not belong here?

Speaking for myself, I know sweet fuck all about the author but my initial thought when I read that was "FuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYou
FuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYou."

Hmm. 1,800th post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on November 24, 2015, 01:35:09 pm
Yeah, McIntosh completely misses the point of Men's Day. I would like to know his justification in claiming that Men's Day does not address the problems caused by the patriarchy.

His type of feminist pisses me off: there is nothing wrong in acknowledging the problems men face even in the cases where women face similar problems in a bigger scale. Caring about one of these doesn't mean you care less about other and this is also probably why he distorts a valid point about the suicide attempt statistics. Women attempting suicide and failing more than men means that they do suffer from depression even if it doesn't show as clearly in the suicide statistics and women's depression should be taken as seriously as men's. It should never be used to diminish the seriousness of men's suicide statistics.

I'd also make the claim that the patriarchal gender roles are the main influence in the disparity of successful suicide attempts between genders. The less reliable ways of suicide that can be used as a cry for help are seen as more suitable for women. The more "masculine" ways also cause death more reliably: even if a man would be in an emotional state where he'd choose a "cry for help" option he's not as likely as a woman is to overdose on pills or something similar.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 24, 2015, 02:10:11 pm
Quote from: guizonde on November 23, 2015, 01:43:16 pm
i mean, what does "the pathology of male privilege" even mean?

Essentially "big words, I don't understand." We've had this discussion before, but a simple google search "pathology definition" would really help. The definition, in a medical sense, is "pathological features considered collectively; the typical behavior of a disease." I belabor this point, but a google search is very helpful to most of life's questions.

Quote from: Eiki-mun on November 23, 2015, 02:54:12 pm
Also, it's not "a 140 character tweet". It's four. That's almost 600 characters there.

My point still stands that the 140 character limit is not conducive to citing every portion of your work. Even with 4 tweets. But, you want a citation, how about the APA (http://www.apa.org/monitor/jun05/helping.aspx)

Quote from: askold on November 23, 2015, 02:50:45 pm
What? It looks like it fits in with the rest of the stuff here. Even if that dude is related to the GG debacle he is using the same justifications as the SJWs are. "Privileged people can never be 'victims' and don't deserve help."

"Men do face real issues but most stem from patriarchy and the pathology of male privilege."

It is disingenuous for you to characterize it as "privileged people can never be victims and therefore don't deserve help." What he is saying is in our culture of masculinity men are less likely to reach out for help, socially or psychologically, for fear of being seen as weak, and therefore men do not seek out help (which last I checked is supported by studies). This is a direct way that patriarchy actively causes male problems. A lot of other male problems as well; for example women winning custody more often is a direct result of a patriarchal society which sees women as more qualified to nurture, and men as the bread-winners who pay child support.

Quote from: pyro on November 23, 2015, 08:42:56 pm
^ I actually agree with you here. If more men are dying of suicide, then suicide is killing men more. Let's stop comparing levels of oppression and just try to fix the problem.

This isn't comparing a level of oppression. What he is trying to say is that focusing solely on males committing more suicides ignores that this is due to men being less likely to seek out mental help. It seems a tad counterproductive to the ends of reducing male suicide to ignore social factors like this that directly contribute. More so to the point, it seems like one of the best ways to deal with the issue of male suicides is to focus on this aspect of patriarchy: all the male suicide PSA's in the world will do nothing if men are still afraid to seek mental help when necessary due to some silly notion of masculinity.

Quote from: Damen on November 24, 2015, 12:55:09 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on November 24, 2015, 09:48:55 am
Quote from: niam2023 on November 24, 2015, 04:33:26 am
Though let's be honest, the only reason McIntosh was repeatedly mentioned is because he is a for of Ultie 's pet cause, it that shall not be named outside f&b.

Okay? So? Divorced from the author, do you believe the content does or does not belong here?

Speaking for myself, I know sweet fuck all about the author but my initial thought when I read that was "FuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYou
FuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYouFuckYou."

Hmm. 1,800th post.

How very mature: disregard the sociological point he is making regarding patriarchy contributing to male problems so that you may intentionally misinterpret his point as misandrist because he thinks your men's day is silly. I think it's silly also. Big whoop.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on November 24, 2015, 02:29:02 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 24, 2015, 02:10:11 pm
This isn't comparing a level of oppression. What he is trying to say is that focusing solely on males committing more suicides ignores that this is due to men being less likely to seek out mental help. It seems a tad counterproductive to the ends of reducing male suicide to ignore social factors like this that directly contribute. More so to the point, it seems like one of the best ways to deal with the issue of male suicides is to focus on this aspect of patriarchy: all the male suicide PSA's in the world will do nothing if men are still afraid to seek mental help when necessary due to some silly notion of masculinity.

That's a decent reading of the OP, but I'm not sure how "men are allowed to have problems worth getting together as a society to solve" doesn't address men being unwilling to seek help.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 24, 2015, 03:00:49 pm
On mobile so I can't quote very well. Speaking personally, I won't deny that there's a valid point to be made about the effects of overwhelming pressure to be masculine on men. However, it becomes much harder to take him seriously when it's grouped up with openly mocking tweets like "lol every day is men's day", as if we spend literally 364 days of the year bringing up social awareness of men's issues. That's what I take issue with. Because really, we don't. If we did, they'd be solved by now. That's the point of the day in question.

Edit: And to clarify, the APA source is more than sufficient. Thank you, Queen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 24, 2015, 03:06:43 pm
@The_Queen

Unfortunately quite often these turn into an "Who is more oppressed" contest and then to claims that only those who are suffering the most need help and everyone else should be ignored. ...MRAs are particularly fond of that tactic. So are racists now that I think about it "Why are you wasting money on immigrants when we have homeless people in our country?" and so on.

In my opinion, we should acknowledge that a lot of things need to be fixed and particularly when we are talking about issues such as depression there is no need to try to find just one group of people who are in the biggest risk group and ignore everyone else.


And for the record, I am not trying to say that men are worse off than women, I am well aware that women are worse off than men currently but I just think that men's day is not a problem because the point isn't that we should ignore women's problems, not even on that day, it's was created to highlight the problems that men face so that they could get more recognition.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on November 24, 2015, 03:21:12 pm
queen, i'm not an idiot. the problem wasn't with "big words", or even with pathology, but with "male privilege", and you know it. now, if you search pathology on google, you will find that definition. i don't understand the link between the word "pathology" and the concept of male privilege. pathology implies it's a disease. male privilege may be endemic, but it's not a disease.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on November 24, 2015, 04:34:34 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 24, 2015, 02:10:11 pm
How very mature: disregard the sociological point he is making regarding patriarchy contributing to male problems so that you may intentionally misinterpret his point as misandrist because he thinks your men's day is silly.

Except the only "social point" I can see him "making" is: "You're a male so you don't matter." If there is any other point he's trying to make, I must be too stupid to see it. Damn that penis, blinding me to his totally nuanced statement.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 24, 2015, 02:10:11 pm
I think it's silly also. Big whoop.

You're right, it is silly to have a day to bring awareness to inequalities and problems regarding boys failing in education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-day/why-boys-are-failing-in-a_b_884262.html), male suicide rates (https://www.afsp.org/understanding-suicide/facts-and-figures) (but women TRY as much as men, so fuck men, right?), lack of rights for willing fathers (http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2751445), the shocking number of male victims of domestic violence (https://www.yahoo.com/health/the-number-of-male-domestic-1284479771263030.html), the fact that often when men do actually call domestic violence hot lines (https://nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/3977-researcher-what-hap-3977), they're laughed at or told there's no way to help them because the shelters are "women and children only," the fact that being "made to penetrate" is considered a separate category of offense (https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Made-to-Penetrate-not-considered-rape-in-the-U-S) to "rape," men who are made to penetrate a woman aren't considered (http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/crime/hard-truth-girl-guy-rape/?PageSpeed=noscript) to have been raped, the gender bias (http://www.fathermag.com/808/GenderBias.shtml) in the court system (https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx), the fact that victims of female-on-male rape can be forced to pay child support, (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/) even when they were raped as a child (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer) and the fact that by society in general, no one will talk about the issues men face because "equality for everyone" is "misogynistic." (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/how-can-we-help-men-talk-if-we-wont-talk-about-mens-issues/)

Yeah, it's "silly" to have one god damn day to maybe address these issues before we go back to talking about the REALLY IMPORTANT (http://www.wnyc.org/story/yes-we-can-stop-manspreading/) things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 24, 2015, 04:42:57 pm
You know, for someone who's angry about diminishing issues a gender faces, you sure do like reducing feminism to just "manspreading".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on November 24, 2015, 04:46:39 pm
Saying it once sarcastically shows I "really like" that?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 24, 2015, 04:55:29 pm
Apparently, since you're, you know, doing it.

And no, I'm not trying to say that men don't suffer issues. That would be asinine. But hypocrisy's hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 24, 2015, 05:05:44 pm
Ah, never mind. I had missed the part where Queen called the entire concept of a day about men's issues silly. Fuck off. What's next, getting rid of Father's day because of all that privilege fathers have?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 24, 2015, 05:09:03 pm
Yeah, okay, that was inappropriate of Queen tbh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on November 24, 2015, 05:12:55 pm
Quote from: Even Then on November 24, 2015, 04:55:29 pm
Apparently, since you're, you know, doing it.

And no, I'm not trying to say that men don't suffer issues. That would be asinine. But hypocrisy's hypocrisy.

Once. In angry sarcasm. "Once" does not "really like to" mean. I'm not too sure how much more clearly I can say this.

Do you think I'm not aware of the issues women face? I am fully aware that they face their own issues from being passed over for promotions at work due to bullshit reasons that have nothing to do with the work they do, to often having no help at home after work for daily stuff, to the constant attacks on their reproductive rights, the lack of proper accommodations at work for women who are pregnant, to being ignored because of what's between their legs. But, as SCarpelan said, empathy is not a zero sum game and giving a day to men to bring up issues unique to them is no more silly than giving a day to women so they can voice their grievances. Treating it as "silly" or "lol, every other day is men's day" does absolutely nothing to further the discussion of greater equality for the sexes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 24, 2015, 05:24:16 pm
Okay, fair enough. I apologize. I've just encountered too many jackasses with the attitude of "lol manspreading is clearly the only thing these feminazis care about", and that coloured my perception. It shouldn't have.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on November 24, 2015, 05:27:25 pm
Apology accepted. :)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on November 24, 2015, 08:58:32 pm
Are zombies ableist? A lot of people in my family are disabled, like myself and my dad cannot walk far without his wheelchair. It seems like zombies have trouble walking, skin problems and maybe injured brains. They talk slow and are able to often say brains. Am I being rude or reading too much into things? Sorry if I am. My dad's severely brain injured and he's not a zombie. But zombies don't really seem dead. Is this a negative portrayal of disability or am I mistaken?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 24, 2015, 09:06:42 pm
Usually, zombies are a metaphor for consumerism...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 24, 2015, 09:12:40 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on November 24, 2015, 09:06:42 pm
Usually, zombies are a metaphor for consumerism...

I wouldn't say "usually."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 24, 2015, 09:14:39 pm
They were back when Romero was king of the pile.  Nowadays, they're more a framing device.  Kind of an "instant drama, just add zombies."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Igor on November 24, 2015, 09:17:18 pm
I thought it was a metaphor for communism,then consumerism. iirc it changes depending on who's making the movie.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 24, 2015, 10:18:10 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on November 24, 2015, 05:05:44 pm
Ah, never mind. I had missed the part where Queen called the entire concept of a day about men's issues silly. Fuck off. What's next, getting rid of Father's day because of all that privilege fathers have?

Oh "fuck off." I'm so hurt. Entertaining your silly notions aside, McIntosh makes a great point: you can talk about men's health issue 364 other days of the year and not get a side glance. In fact, I can think of no issue of men's health that gets near the level of social scrutiny that women's health issues do. I mean, this is the very reason we have a black entertainment television but not a white entertainment television: because society as a whole tends to favor the dominant group's issues at the expense of the minority's. And, taking this opportunity to delve into Askold's point, McIntosh never made it about oppression olympics: you read his post through that lens and ascribe the view you wanted him to espouse to him.


Quote from: Damen on November 24, 2015, 04:34:34 pm
Except the only "social point" I can see him "making" is: "You're a male so you don't matter." If there is any other point he's trying to make, I must be too stupid to see it. Damn that penis, blinding me to his totally nuanced statement.

You're right, it is silly to have a day to bring awareness to inequalities and problems regarding boys failing in education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-day/why-boys-are-failing-in-a_b_884262.html), male suicide rates (https://www.afsp.org/understanding-suicide/facts-and-figures) (but women TRY as much as men, so fuck men, right?), lack of rights for willing fathers (http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2751445), the shocking number of male victims of domestic violence (https://www.yahoo.com/health/the-number-of-male-domestic-1284479771263030.html), the fact that often when men do actually call domestic violence hot lines (https://nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/3977-researcher-what-hap-3977), they're laughed at or told there's no way to help them because the shelters are "women and children only," the fact that being "made to penetrate" is considered a separate category of offense (https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Made-to-Penetrate-not-considered-rape-in-the-U-S) to "rape," men who are made to penetrate a woman aren't considered (http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/crime/hard-truth-girl-guy-rape/?PageSpeed=noscript) to have been raped, the gender bias (http://www.fathermag.com/808/GenderBias.shtml) in the court system (https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx), the fact that victims of female-on-male rape can be forced to pay child support, (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/) even when they were raped as a child (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer) and the fact that by society in general, no one will talk about the issues men face because "equality for everyone" is "misogynistic." (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/how-can-we-help-men-talk-if-we-wont-talk-about-mens-issues/)

Yeah, it's "silly" to have one god damn day to maybe address these issues before we go back to talking about the REALLY IMPORTANT (http://www.wnyc.org/story/yes-we-can-stop-manspreading/) things.

I think I addressed your points already....

Quote from: The_Queen (quoting McIntosh) on November 24, 2015, 02:10:11 pm
"Men do face real issues but most stem from patriarchy and the pathology of male privilege."

Thus, that was a cute little strawman you made, but Neither McIntosh nor myself diminished the problems that men have, nor did we ever imply that men have no problems. Further, a lot of the problems you state have some basis patriarchal views of men vis-a-vis women, so that further proves what both McIntosh and myself have been trying to say.

Quote from: guizonde on November 24, 2015, 03:21:12 pm
queen, i'm not an idiot. the problem wasn't with "big words", or even with pathology, but with "male privilege", and you know it. now, if you search pathology on google, you will find that definition. i don't understand the link between the word "pathology" and the concept of male privilege. pathology implies it's a disease. male privilege may be endemic, but it's not a disease.

I never said you were an idiot. I've thought it, more than once, but I can't remember saying it withing the last month or so. Snark aside, I stand by my statement that a simple google search on the word "pathology" showed exactly what he meant, and yet you still couldn't figure it out.

But, because I have to do all your homework, what he means by "the pathology of male privilege" is "the typical behavior of [male privilege]." Otherwise stated as how it manifests itself within society, both towards males and females. It's not that hard to understand.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on November 25, 2015, 08:18:51 am
Quote from: The_Queen on November 24, 2015, 10:18:10 pm
Entertaining your silly notions aside, McIntosh makes a great point: you can talk about men's health issue 364 other days of the year and not get a side glance. In fact, I can think of no issue of men's health that gets near the level of social scrutiny that women's health issues do. I mean, this is the very reason we have a black entertainment television but not a white entertainment television: because society as a whole tends to favor the dominant group's issues at the expense of the minority's.
This is true when it comes to the problems that fit within the patriarchal masculinity. Most of the problems that don't belong in its sphere don't get as much attention in the public awareness. Alcoholism, violence, homelessness, heart diseases etc. get acknowledged even if the role of patriarchy in these is often ignored and thus the full picture is lacking. When you go to less traditional points of view such as fathers as caretakers instead of just bread winners there is mostly silence.

Like I posted earlier, I would like to know how McIntosh supports his assertion that Men's Day doesn't help with the problems the patriarchal view of masculinity causes. Even if you think the discussion around Men's Day ignores them too much now a better approach than McIntosh's is working towards bringing this topic as a central issue in the discussion. Fighting the toxic type of masculinity requires that people are aware of it and it would be silly to abandon a vessel to spread the word.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 25, 2015, 08:22:27 am
If nothing else, Men's Day doesn't hurt anyone...that I'm aware.  Seriously, its one of those "[Insert Thing Here] Day"s where, for about a week or so, legit issues are brought up only to be completely forgotten the next time some celebrity sneezes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 12:06:19 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on November 25, 2015, 08:18:51 am
Like I posted earlier, I would like to know how McIntosh supports his assertion that Men's Day doesn't help with the problems the patriarchal view of masculinity causes. Even if you think the discussion around Men's Day ignores them too much now a better approach than McIntosh's is working towards bringing this topic as a central issue in the discussion. Fighting the toxic type of masculinity requires that people are aware of it and it would be silly to abandon a vessel to spread the word.

You make a good point, and I like good points. Proper argumentation is such a dying art. But my view of IMD is that it is a day to talk about issues that adversely affect men. That is the impression I got from both this post (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=4479.msg283294#msg283294) and this thread (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=6961.0). Between the two of them, the only person to link patriarchy as a factor that contributes to male problems was Davedan in a cartoon he posted. People didn't like that.

More so to the point here, a lot of people dismiss McIntosh as saying that "men don't have problems," when that could not be further from the truth. Not only is it a strawman, but people start playing oppression olympics between the sexes to dismiss what they perceive as him playing oppression olympics (example, Damen listing several problems that men in society face, followed up by stating "Yeah, it's 'silly' to have one god damn day to maybe address these issues before we go back to talking about really important things [like manspreading]." Much like the MRA movement, it is hard to divorce the extreme views of supporters from the movement as a whole. In essence, the certain people trying to make men's issues v. women's issues a round of oppression olympics tarnish my view of IMD, and makes me see it as not much difference from the batshit MRA's on line.

But, of course, that aside, IMD is pure silliness. First off, men's health issues and men's social issues are more likely than women's issues to be taken seriously. I could point to several examples on here from flirtation with female strangers to the recent manspreading to point out that when women complain about feeling uncomfortable from men's patriarchal behavior in society, those women are more likely to have their problems dismissed or  minimized. In contrast, men's issues don't get that same level of skepticism. Birth control and abortion are huge women's health issues that create a lot of controversy. No men's health issue gets near the level of social criticism. So, using the day to draw attention to issues that adversely affect men makes no sense to me because men's issues are automatically seen by society as legitimate, so a day/awareness campaign isn't needed.

Second, the way I see it, the one way that IMD could help address men's issues--by addressing the adverse effects of patriarchy--nobody except Davedan mentions it (and he does so in a taking the piss manner). People get pissy with him. McIntosh mentions it and he's an SJW. The people who most ardently support IMD do not want to address the pathology of patriarchy--they just want to alleviate the ways that patriarchy adversely affect men. Thus, IMD is a difference that makes no difference, and therefore it is silly.

Which also gets into Ravy's point. I agree that IMD doesn't hurt anyone, but that doesn't make it any less silly.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on November 25, 2015, 12:16:29 pm
Aye, but Queenie, you gotta agree that the world kinda runs on "silly."  Without it, we'd have no holidays, and most forms of fun would be gone.  But, like a lot of things, you gotta take the good with the annoyances.  I've...kinda accepted that I'm not going to actually make a difference, so I largely no longer care.  I'll leave that to people better-suited than I to such endeavors.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 12:06:19 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on November 25, 2015, 08:18:51 am
Like I posted earlier, I would like to know how McIntosh supports his assertion that Men's Day doesn't help with the problems the patriarchal view of masculinity causes. Even if you think the discussion around Men's Day ignores them too much now a better approach than McIntosh's is working towards bringing this topic as a central issue in the discussion. Fighting the toxic type of masculinity requires that people are aware of it and it would be silly to abandon a vessel to spread the word.

You make a good point, and I like good points. Proper argumentation is such a dying art. But my view of IMD is that it is a day to talk about issues that adversely affect men. That is the impression I got from both this post (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=4479.msg283294#msg283294) and this thread (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=6961.0). Between the two of them, the only person to link patriarchy as a factor that contributes to male problems was Davedan in a cartoon he posted. People didn't like that.

Because blaming it solely on "the patriarchy" is a gross oversimplification.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 12:06:19 pm
More so to the point here, a lot of people dismiss McIntosh as saying that "men don't have problems," when that could not be further from the truth. Not only is it a strawman, but people start playing oppression olympics between the sexes to dismiss what they perceive as him playing oppression olympics (example, Damen listing several problems that men in society face, followed up by stating "Yeah, it's 'silly' to have one god damn day to maybe address these issues before we go back to talking about really important things [like manspreading]."

Except that, yeah, McIntosh was playing Oppression Olympics.  He attempted to dismiss (or at least downplay) the higher rates of male suicide by saying "well, women attempt it more" (which may not actually be true).

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 12:06:19 pm
Much like the MRA movement, it is hard to divorce the extreme views of supporters from the movement as a whole. In essence, the certain people trying to make men's issues v. women's issues a round of oppression olympics tarnish my view of IMD, and makes me see it as not much difference from the batshit MRA's on line.

You're right, this shouldn't have to be a contest.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 12:06:19 pm
But, of course, that aside, IMD is pure silliness. First off, men's health issues and men's social issues are more likely than women's issues to be taken seriously.

Then why does breast cancer get so much more attention than prostate cancer?

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 12:06:19 pm
I could point to several examples on here from flirtation with female strangers to the recent manspreading to point out that when women complain about feeling uncomfortable from men's patriarchal behavior in society, those women are more likely to have their problems dismissed or  minimized.

I'm sorry, but how exactly is spreading your legs across seats "patriarchal?"  It's rude, yeah, but I don't think it's a sign of patriarchy.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 12:06:19 pm
In contrast, men's issues don't get that same level of skepticism. Birth control and abortion are huge women's health issues that create a lot of controversy. No men's health issue gets near the level of social criticism. So, using the day to draw attention to issues that adversely affect men makes no sense to me because men's issues are automatically seen by society as legitimate, so a day/awareness campaign isn't needed.

Yeah, that's Oppression Olympics.  Just because men's health issues aren't as controversial doesn't make an awareness campaign unnecessary.  Everybody thinks breast cancer is a problem, and there are still awareness campaigns.

Furthermore, plenty of men's issues get a lot of social criticism.  Father's rights, false rape claims, child support, etc.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 12:06:19 pm
Second, the way I see it, the one way that IMD could help address men's issues--by addressing the adverse effects of patriarchy--nobody except Davedan mentions it (and he does so in a taking the piss manner). People get pissy with him. McIntosh mentions it and he's an SJW. The people who most ardently support IMD do not want to address the pathology of patriarchy--they just want to alleviate the ways that patriarchy adversely affect men.

Because not every problem faced by men is caused by the patriarchy.

Also, what exactly do you mean by "pathology of the patriarchy?"

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 12:06:19 pm
Thus, IMD is a difference that makes no difference, and therefore it is silly.

Which also gets into Ravy's point. I agree that IMD doesn't hurt anyone, but that doesn't make it any less silly.

It's fine to have that opinion, but I'm going to respectfully disagree.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Because blaming it solely on "the patriarchy" is a gross oversimplification.

I agree. Fortunately no one ever said that. McIntosh said "most" as seen here "Men do face real issues but most stem from patriarchy and the pathology of male privilege." I toned it down a bit further by qualifying it with the word "a lot" when I said "A lot of other male problems as well" [are caused by patriarchy]." Thus, strawman.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Except that, yeah, McIntosh was playing Oppression Olympics.  He attempted to dismiss (or at least downplay) the higher rates of male suicide by saying "well, women attempt it more" (which may not actually be true).

"May not actually." Fuck, I need to do everything for you.

I found this that says you're dead wrong, and what McIntosh said is correct. Unfortunately, I have access to this through my university and cannot find a way to make it public for you all. Here is the source nonetheless: Schrijvers, Didier. "The gender paradox in suicidal behavior and its impact on the suicidal process". Journal of Affective Disorders 138 (2): 19–26

What Schrijvers finds is that women are more likely to be depressed and attempt suicide. However, women tend to attempt suicide by overdose or asphyxiation. Men tend to commit suicide by firearm or hanging. The different means of suicide that men and women use give women more time to be found and are more easily treated. Methods generally used by men are more violent, and likelier to result in a quick death. Ergo, he wasn't playing oppression olympics: he was stating facts, and even admitted that men are more likely to succeed when attempting suicide.



Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 12:06:19 pm
But, of course, that aside, IMD is pure silliness. First off, men's health issues and men's social issues are more likely than women's issues to be taken seriously.

Then why does breast cancer get so much more attention than prostate cancer?

Good marketing and powerful special interest groups like the Susan G. Komen Foundation.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
I'm sorry, but how exactly is spreading your legs across seats "patriarchal?"  It's rude, yeah, but I don't think it's a sign of patriarchy.

Red Herring, not what we're debating.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Yeah, that's Oppression Olympics.  Just because men's health issues aren't as controversial doesn't make an awareness campaign unnecessary.  Everybody thinks breast cancer is a problem, and there are still awareness campaigns.

But why does the awareness campaign need to be in the form of a day? We're talking about it right now, almost a week removed from International Men's Day.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Furthermore, plenty of men's issues get a lot of social criticism.  Father's rights, false rape claims, child support, etc.

Maybe from the most rabid user's on tumblr, but in the real world you would find very few people against giving men visitation rights to their child, or being awarded custody solely on gender. A few judges stick to that philosophy as that was the old way of doing things, but most are moving away from that. I speak from experience as I used to work for a judge.

False rape claims, we've been over this. You're more likely to be falsely accused of just about any other crime than falsely accused of rape. Again, non-issue.

Child support?

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Because not every problem faced by men is caused by the patriarchy.

Well thank fucking God nobody said that.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Also, what exactly do you mean by "pathology of the patriarchy?"

Jesus Triple Dancing Christ! Does anyone know how to research a fucking word on google? Ok Paragon, here goes nothing

1. Click HERE (http://www.google.com)
2. Type in "pathology definition" (without the quotation marks)
3. Read this line "pathological features considered collectively; the typical behavior of a disease"
4. Insert the appropriate portion to learn that it means "the typical behavior of patriarchy" otherwise know as "how it manifests itself within society, between both men and women."

Or just read what I typed here (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=4479.msg283367#msg283367).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on November 25, 2015, 03:15:52 pm
I always thought zombies were a metaphor for walking corpses.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Because blaming it solely on "the patriarchy" is a gross oversimplification.

I agree. Fortunately no one ever said that. McIntosh said "most" as seen here "Men do face real issues but most stem from patriarchy and the pathology of male privilege." I toned it down a bit further by qualifying it with the word "a lot" when I said "A lot of other male problems as well" [are caused by patriarchy]." Thus, strawman.

Okay, yeah, I was wrong about what he said.  However, for many of those issues where the patriarchy plays a role, there are also other factors involved.  For example, British feminists have fought against equal punishment under the law:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13666066 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13666066)

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Except that, yeah, McIntosh was playing Oppression Olympics.  He attempted to dismiss (or at least downplay) the higher rates of male suicide by saying "well, women attempt it more" (which may not actually be true).

"May not actually." Fuck, I need to do everything for you.

I found this that says you're dead wrong, and what McIntosh said is correct. Unfortunately, I have access to this through my university and cannot find a way to make it public for you all. Here is the source nonetheless: Schrijvers, Didier. "The gender paradox in suicidal behavior and its impact on the suicidal process". Journal of Affective Disorders 138 (2): 19–26

What Schrijvers finds is that women are more likely to be depressed and attempt suicide. However, women tend to attempt suicide by overdose or asphyxiation. Men tend to commit suicide by firearm or hanging. The different means of suicide that men and women use give women more time to be found and are more easily treated. Methods generally used by men are more violent, and likelier to result in a quick death. Ergo, he wasn't playing oppression olympics: he was stating facts, and even admitted that men are more likely to succeed when attempting suicide.

Are they using instances or individuals?  Because that makes a huge difference.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 12:06:19 pm
But, of course, that aside, IMD is pure silliness. First off, men's health issues and men's social issues are more likely than women's issues to be taken seriously.

Then why does breast cancer get so much more attention than prostate cancer?

Good marketing and powerful special interest groups like the Susan G. Komen Foundation.

But why do they have that?

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
I'm sorry, but how exactly is spreading your legs across seats "patriarchal?"  It's rude, yeah, but I don't think it's a sign of patriarchy.

Red Herring, not what we're debating.

You're the one who brought it up.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Yeah, that's Oppression Olympics.  Just because men's health issues aren't as controversial doesn't make an awareness campaign unnecessary.  Everybody thinks breast cancer is a problem, and there are still awareness campaigns.

But why does the awareness campaign need to be in the form of a day? We're talking about it right now, almost a week removed from International Men's Day.

For the same reason we have Earth Day: there should be a day when we can focus on these issues.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Furthermore, plenty of men's issues get a lot of social criticism.  Father's rights, false rape claims, child support, etc.

Maybe from the most rabid user's on tumblr, but in the real world you would find very few people against giving men visitation rights to their child, or being awarded custody solely on gender. A few judges stick to that philosophy as that was the old way of doing things, but most are moving away from that. I speak from experience as I used to work for a judge.

Mind giving a source?

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
False rape claims, we've been over this. You're more likely to be falsely accused of just about any other crime than falsely accused of rape.

Again, I'd like a source.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Again, non-issue.


Tell that to Phi Kappa Psi.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Child support?


Let's start with one of the most grotesque: rape victims having to pay child support to care for their rape babies.

In Hermesmann v. Seyer, Colleen Hermesmann successfully argued that a woman is entitled to sue the father of her child for child support, even if conception occurred as a result of a criminal act committed by the woman.  This has been used as a precedent.  Repeatedly.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 12:33:21 pm
Also, what exactly do you mean by "pathology of the patriarchy?"

Jesus Triple Dancing Christ! Does anyone know how to research a fucking word on google? Ok Paragon, here goes nothing

1. Click HERE (http://www.google.com)
2. Type in "pathology definition" (without the quotation marks)
3. Read this line "pathological features considered collectively; the typical behavior of a disease"
4. Insert the appropriate portion to learn that it means "the typical behavior of patriarchy" otherwise know as "how it manifests itself within society, between both men and women."

Or just read what I typed here (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=4479.msg283367#msg283367).

Okay, sorry about that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 25, 2015, 04:33:40 pm
Are you really so disingenuous that you use that link to show feminists campaigning against being punished equally under the law

Just to be clear this link: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13666066 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13666066)

Those mad out of control feminists like - the Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall Police Stephen Otter?

Did you read that link? If you did then you are a liar as your description was maliciously inaccurate. Its about a Ministry of Justice taskforce to redirect short term (under a year) prison sentences for women, mainly it would seem to save the UK government money and because studies have proven that redirection rather than prison is more effective in reducing recidivism.

Then again I guess bearing false witness and lying is perfectly acceptable given your religious pretensions wasnt it in Matthew 6:26 when Jesus said "the birds have the trees and the lilies have the fields but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head because all those fucking feminist sluts have been let out of prison to ruin my gaming experience and oppress me. So do not turn the other cheek but fight them with whatever means necessary and do not do unto others but employ deceit and hyperbole"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 04:56:19 pm
Quote from: davedan on November 25, 2015, 04:33:40 pm
Are you really so disingenuous that you use that link to show feminists campaigning against being punished equally under the law

Just to be clear this link: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13666066 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13666066)

Those mad out of control feminists like - the Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall Police Stephen Otter?

Did you read that link? If you did then you are a liar as your description was maliciously inaccurate. Its about a Ministry of Justice taskforce to redirect short term (under a year) prison sentences for women, mainly it would seem to save the UK government money and because studies have proven that redirection rather than prison is more effective in reducing recidivism.

And do you know who pushed for these closings?  The Women's Justice Taskforce.

Moreover, the fact that they're only doing this for women really sticks in my craw.

Let me also ask you this: do you want women like Rosemary West out of prison?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm

Okay, yeah, I was wrong about what he said.  However, for many of those issues where the patriarchy plays a role, there are also other factors involved.  For example, British feminists have fought against equal punishment under the law:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13666066 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13666066)

1. Good you admit you were wrong. Do that more often.
2. Those ebil british feminists. It's tangential. You were wrong about McIntosh and you were wrong about what I said. Thus, I'm not even opening the link because it is trying to begin a new argument that I don't care about.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Are they using instances or individuals?  Because that makes a huge difference.

1. No it doesn't, and if it does, then please enlighten me as to how.
2. This really just seems like you goal post shifting from "this MAY not be true" to "okay, whatever, but what about this."
3. To entertain you, it is a literature study relying on a vast array of other sources and studies.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
You're the one who brought it up.

Ah, but I did not bring up manspreading to prove the truth of the assertion. Instead, I brought it up as something that may have some credence to it that gets considerably more scrutiny than most silly men's issues, such as IMD.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
For the same reason we have Earth Day: there should be a day when we can focus on these issues.

Weak metaphor. I've already shown how IMD is silly because it doesn't really do much. Comparing it to a day that brings attention to legitimate environmental concerns when half this country thinks global warming is a lie is a considerable difference that highlights what I'm saying. Earth Day is necessary because people are too fucking stupid. IMD isn't necessary for any comparable threat to men or any awareness reasons.


Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Mind giving a source?

Google, have you heard of it? How about this cite (http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/17/more-fathers-getting-custody-in-divorce/) that shows that in some instances, stay at home dads get preference over working mom's. Or this one that shows that 91% (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cathy-meyer/dispelling-the-myth-of-ge_b_1617115.html) of child custody decisions are made with no court involvement and tend to award the mother custody. Further, according to Phyllis Chesler's book, "Mothers on Trial," when fathers do challenge women for custody, they win 50-70% of the time, even if the father is abusive or drug-dependent. A large reason for this is courts focus on "the best interests of the child" and income is a kind of important. Damn pay gap.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Again, I'd like a source.

Fuck you with a tire iron. I gave you a source last time we debated this, and you ignored my source so that you could continue to act like you were right. I'm not wasting my time to find it for you.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Again, non-issue.


Tell that to Phi Kappa Psi.

Yeah, pesky thing about a crime that is primarily committed by men against women is that when false accusations do come up, they tend to be directed at men. That doesn't make false rape allegations a male problem, that makes rape a female problem that men collaterally feel an effect of.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Child support?


Let's start with one of the most grotesque: rape victims having to pay child support to care for their rape babies.

In Hermesmann v. Seyer, Colleen Hermesmann successfully argued that a woman is entitled to sue the father of her child for child support, even if conception occurred as a result of a criminal act committed by the woman.  This has been used as a precedent.  Repeatedly.

I looked up that case. To say it has been "used as precedent. Repeatedly." is a bald-face lie. It is still the law in Kansas, to be sure. But the case has been cited 109 times according to westlaw, 69 of which are secondary sources: law journals and other academic work (which looks to be very critical of the result). The portion relevant has been cited by 4 courts, three of which rejected it's logic. One court in Delaware in an unpublished opinion upheld it, finding that a mother who was a victim of an incestuous rape had a common law duty to provide for the resulting child when the father/ her brother had custody.

But I'm not here to play oppression olympics. Fact is, courts aren't perfect, some of them make mistakes. Some mistakes are terrible. Jim Crow for example. However, I do not see this as a male problem, but instead as part of a larger problem in which courts grant rapists parental rights. In something like 22 states, a rapist can rape a woman, and retain custody. Courts often rely on case precedence, and when they extend these rights to male rapists, they set the stage for the same outcome for female rapists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 25, 2015, 06:26:40 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 04:56:19 pm
Quote from: davedan on November 25, 2015, 04:33:40 pm
Are you really so disingenuous that you use that link to show feminists campaigning against being punished equally under the law

Just to be clear this link: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13666066 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13666066)

Those mad out of control feminists like - the Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall Police Stephen Otter?

Did you read that link? If you did then you are a liar as your description was maliciously inaccurate. Its about a Ministry of Justice taskforce to redirect short term (under a year) prison sentences for women, mainly it would seem to save the UK government money and because studies have proven that redirection rather than prison is more effective in reducing recidivism.

And do you know who pushed for these closings?  The Women's Justice Taskforce.

Moreover, the fact that they're only doing this for women really sticks in my craw.

Let me also ask you this: do you want women like Rosemary West out of prison?

Your pants have just caught fire. The Women's Justice Taskforce was an organisation established by the Ministry of Justice with such crusading feminists as the aforementioned Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall. It was not a feminist organisation.

As I said it was for women whose sentences are less than one year. I have no idea who Rosemary West is but the taskforce has nothing to do with women who commit heinous offences such as murder who will be serving sentences substantially in excess of one year. It is to do with minor offences with sentences of less than a year which they have found in the UK make up a disproportionate amount of the female prison population. By creating diversion programs and avoiding sentences of imprisonment for women, who are sentenced for less than one year of actual custody, they can vastly reduce the expense of dealing with them (by enabling them to close women's prisons) and have reduced recidivism rates.

Women who commit serious offences will still be in prison but they are more likely to be housed in a contained part of a prison otherwise for men.

There are diversionary programs for men (and programs that are diversionary by offence, eg drug diversions) but given that the incarcerated population of women has a different make up than the incarcerated population of men and for different offences it makes sense to have programs specifically tailored for women for the benefit of the country, in particular UK taxpayers.

The fact that you read that article and continue to make these assertions means you are either:
a) thick, I mean really thick unable to comprehend the written english language;
b) deliberately being misleading so that you can pretend feminists are bad.

There may be other permutations or options but you must be one of those two things.

I hope you keep a firebucket next to you when you type.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on November 25, 2015, 07:19:32 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
For the same reason we have Earth Day: there should be a day when we can focus on these issues.

Weak metaphor. I've already shown how IMD is silly because it doesn't really do much. Comparing it to a day that brings attention to legitimate environmental concerns when half this country thinks global warming is a lie is a considerable difference that highlights what I'm saying. Earth Day is necessary because people are too fucking stupid. IMD isn't necessary for any comparable threat to men or any awareness reasons.
Nope. You have asserted it, not shown it. I agree that the problems that fit the patriarchal masculinity are dealt with and don't need any special attention. The problems that don't fit in this model are too often dismissed.

I'll quote a PhD who teaches gender history and masculinity studies in Åbo Akademi (a Swedish language university in Turku). He was interviewed (in Finnish) (http://nyt.fi/a1447905541851) about the significance of Men's Day.

Quote from: Anders Ahlbäck
It's difficult for a man to be an equal parent with a woman. Men still are secondary when it comes to parenting and almost all the other problems with equality follow from this. One reason for it is the wage inequality.
...
The society still has a strong view that motherhood is something more special than fatherhood.
...
The couples think they make these choices voluntarily but it's funny that 95% make the same choice. There definitely are strong cultural and structural factors in the background.

(click to show/hide)

Ahlbäck also brought up a big problem particular to the Finnish society: male-only mandatory armed service. The armed service has a huge cultural importance and I think that's why the older generations usually dismiss outright any gender-based criticism by the feminists and MRAs of the younger generation.

The third issue Ahlbäck brings up are the problems with suicide, homelessness unemployment and other social problems. He points out that gender and the problems with masculinity are one of the causes for these issues.

So, yeah. This interview was my main view to the Men's Day since it was the one I mostly saw linked by both feminists and MRAs. Since it brought up precisely the kind of points Men's Day discussion should bring IMO, McIntosh's dismissal annoyed me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on November 25, 2015, 09:09:53 pm
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The fact that you read that article and continue to make these assertions means you are either:
a) thick, I mean really thick unable to comprehend the written english language;
b) deliberately being misleading so that you can pretend feminists are bad.

There may be other permutations or options but you must be one of those two things.

I hope you keep a firebucket next to you when you type.
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The simple explanation is that UP only reads headlines, and then maybe the first couple sentences. He did not read jack shit when he whipped out, "Yah, ya know who did dat? Da Women's Justice Harpy Brigade! Nyah!!11!" Extra points of stupidity for automatically dismissing any organization with the word "justice" and "women" in it's title; must be a bunch of bitches with purple hair.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 09:24:20 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm

Okay, yeah, I was wrong about what he said.  However, for many of those issues where the patriarchy plays a role, there are also other factors involved.  For example, British feminists have fought against equal punishment under the law:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13666066 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-13666066)

1. Good you admit you were wrong. Do that more often.
2. Those ebil british feminists. It's tangential. You were wrong about McIntosh and you were wrong about what I said. Thus, I'm not even opening the link because it is trying to begin a new argument that I don't care about.

Okay, we'll ignore them for the moment.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Are they using instances or individuals?  Because that makes a huge difference.

1. No it doesn't, and if it does, then please enlighten me as to how.

Yes, it does, for reasons I've already explained (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=4479.msg283193#msg283193).

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
2. This really just seems like you goal post shifting from "this MAY not be true" to "okay, whatever, but what about this."

Is there something wrong with asking how data is gathered?

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
You're the one who brought it up.

Ah, but I did not bring up manspreading to prove the truth of the assertion. Instead, I brought it up as something that may have some credence to it that gets considerably more scrutiny than most silly men's issues, such as IMD.

I really hope I'm misunderstanding you, and you don't actually think manspreading is a bigger issue than suicide.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Mind giving a source?

Google, have you heard of it? How about this cite (http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/17/more-fathers-getting-custody-in-divorce/) that shows that in some instances, stay at home dads get preference over working mom's. Or this one that shows that 91% (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cathy-meyer/dispelling-the-myth-of-ge_b_1617115.html) of child custody decisions are made with no court involvement and tend to award the mother custody. Further, according to Phyllis Chesler's book, "Mothers on Trial," when fathers do challenge women for custody, they win 50-70% of the time, even if the father is abusive or drug-dependent. A large reason for this is courts focus on "the best interests of the child" and income is a kind of important. Damn pay gap.

Well, according to this study (http://www.irp.wisc.edu/research/childsup/cspolicy/pdfs/2009-11/Task4A_CS_09-11_Final_revi2012.pdf), the mother gets sole or primary custody 58.7% of the time.  Fathers only get it 8.9% of the time.

As for the pay gap, while it's not an outright myth, it's often misunderstood.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Again, I'd like a source.

Fuck you with a tire iron. I gave you a source last time we debated this, and you ignored my source so that you could continue to act like you were right. I'm not wasting my time to find it for you.

Well, I'm sure you wouldn't object if I gave mine:

http://www.evawintl.org/images/uploads/BasicDataFindings_12-07-09.pdf (http://www.evawintl.org/images/uploads/BasicDataFindings_12-07-09.pdf)

According to this study, 15.6 of reports can reliably be determined as false.

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Again, non-issue.


Tell that to Phi Kappa Psi.

Yeah, pesky thing about a crime that is primarily committed by men against women is that when false accusations do come up, they tend to be directed at men. That doesn't make false rape allegations a male problem, that makes rape a female problem that men collaterally feel an effect of.

Did you know that there's evidence to suggest that women rape men at about the same rate that men rape women?

http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/ (http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/)

Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Child support?


Let's start with one of the most grotesque: rape victims having to pay child support to care for their rape babies.

In Hermesmann v. Seyer, Colleen Hermesmann successfully argued that a woman is entitled to sue the father of her child for child support, even if conception occurred as a result of a criminal act committed by the woman.  This has been used as a precedent.  Repeatedly.

I looked up that case. To say it has been "used as precedent. Repeatedly." is a bald-face lie. It is still the law in Kansas, to be sure. But the case has been cited 109 times according to westlaw, 69 of which are secondary sources: law journals and other academic work (which looks to be very critical of the result). The portion relevant has been cited by 4 courts, three of which rejected it's logic. One court in Delaware in an unpublished opinion upheld it, finding that a mother who was a victim of an incestuous rape had a common law duty to provide for the resulting child when the father/ her brother had custody.

But I'm not here to play oppression olympics. Fact is, courts aren't perfect, some of them make mistakes. Some mistakes are terrible. Jim Crow for example. However, I do not see this as a male problem, but instead as part of a larger problem in which courts grant rapists parental rights. In something like 22 states, a rapist can rape a woman, and retain custody. Courts often rely on case precedence, and when they extend these rights to male rapists, they set the stage for the same outcome for female rapists.

Could I have a source?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 09:58:35 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on November 25, 2015, 07:19:32 pm
Nope. You have asserted it, not shown it. I agree that the problems that fit the patriarchal masculinity are dealt with and don't need any special attention. The problems that don't fit in this model are too often dismissed.

Not quite. I went with shown because after I asserted it, nobody provided a solid rebuttal. Ravvy said that silly things are often present in society, but that didn't address my underlying contentions, and even accepted my premise (that men's day was silly) by contrasting it to other traditions. Paragon made a few strawmen and bad arguments, but no body else chimed in.

Quote
So, yeah. This interview was my main view to the Men's Day since it was the one I mostly saw linked by both feminists and MRAs. Since it brought up precisely the kind of points Men's Day discussion should bring IMO, McIntosh's dismissal annoyed me.

Two things. First, I never tried to diminish any problems that men face, I've simply been saying that an international men's day is superfluous to solving the problem. It's not like an "Autism day" to showcase the struggles of people with autism. Or an "Earth Day" to try to convince idiots that global warming is real. Even those men's issues that are a result of patriarchy, very few want to address them. I just think the whole notion is a tad silly. I think the professor makes good points, albeit most of them do stem from patriarchy; however, I am not trying to argue those. I'm not even trying to argue IMD, I got dragged into it because I casually stated my opinion when pointing out that McIntosh wasn't an SJW.

Second, I am sorry that you got annoyed that McIntosh (as well as myself) does not support IMD. But, my overall point is that the quote shouldn't be here because failure to support IMD does not equate with SJW.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 25, 2015, 10:44:40 pm
Personally I am getting fucking annoyed with the use of the term SJW as a derogatory term. Striving for social justice has to be a commendable goal. People may get carried away with how they do it but otherwise aren't you actually saying you want to preserve social inequality?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 10:47:52 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 09:24:20 pm
I really hope I'm misunderstanding you, and you don't actually think manspreading is a bigger issue than suicide.

You're a fucking idiot. I never said that and you know. I simply stated that "men's issues" as a whole tend to get more credence than when women object to social phenomenon.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 09:24:20 pm
Well, according to this study (http://www.irp.wisc.edu/research/childsup/cspolicy/pdfs/2009-11/Task4A_CS_09-11_Final_revi2012.pdf), the mother gets sole or primary custody 58.7% of the time.  Fathers only get it 8.9% of the time.

Fuck me... I need everclear. No, literally, I took a shot of it because this is too much stupid for me to handle at once.

First, read your fucking source before making someone else read it. First page it says

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Over time, state placement laws have moved from a regime in which placement with the mother was the explicit preference (through most of the past century), through a period in which placement laws tended to be gender-neutral, to the present, where many states have made sharing
placement of the children between the divorcing parents the preferred option (Buehler and Gerard, 1995).

Which is exactly what I said a few posts ago, that my experience working for a judge indicated that modern child custody determinations were more gender-neutral.

Second

Quote
Several researchers (Seltzer, 1990; Fox and Kelly, 1995; Christiansen, Dahl, and Rettig, 1990) found that mother-sole placement accounted for over 80 percent of arrangements in various Upper Midwestern states in the mid-1980s; father-sole placement accounted for about 10 percent of cases, and joint placement arrangements accounted for only 2–6 percent of cases. Cancian and Meyer (1998) found that from 1986 to 1994 in Wisconsin the rate of mother-sole placement in divorce judgments fell from just over 80 percent to 74 percent, while joint placement rose from 7 percent to 14 percent. They also found that during this period, shared placement was more likely in cases with higher parental income, when the mother had previously been married, or when the mother was younger. They also found that in cases where the father had legal representation but the mother did not, shared placement or father-sole placement was more likely, but if only the mother had an attorney, then mother-sole placement was the more likely outcome.

Now, there are several things going on here. Look at the first sentence. It states that mothers get custody about 80% of the time. Now, if you read my source, you would know that 91% of custody hearings DO NOT go to court, but are decided by the parents, with the mother getting custody most of the time. So the 80% figure is intentionally misleading for you to cite to.

Second, look at how determinative factors like income and legal representation are.

Third, when it says that in "divorce proceedings" custody was reduced from 80% to 74%, that is another misnomer. In divorce proceedings, the judge assigns a parent to handle the child until a custody hearing can take place at a later date. Which my cite to Chesler shows that men win more often when contested in court.

So, the portions that look like they support your side do not, but actually reinforce mine, and you should really read your work since I'm expected to do so.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 09:24:20 pm
As for the pay gap, while it's not an outright myth, it's often misunderstood.

Please, don't go on... I feel stupid approaching.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 09:24:20 pm
Well, I'm sure you wouldn't object if I gave mine:

http://www.evawintl.org/images/uploads/BasicDataFindings_12-07-09.pdf (http://www.evawintl.org/images/uploads/BasicDataFindings_12-07-09.pdf)

According to this study, 15.6 of reports can reliably be determined as false.

I don't think you know how to read. Seven percent of rapes accusations be "unfounded/false." The number drops to six percent by the time of prosecution. In fact, 15.6 only shows up twice in the pdf: once to state that the men plead guilty to a lesser offense and the second to show that 15.6% of rape victims did not have microtrauma associated with the rape. Which, is considerably different from "determined as false."

But, I think that this graphic is helpful

(http://i2.wp.com/theenlivenproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/rapist_visualization_03.jpg)

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 09:24:20 pm
Did you know that there's evidence to suggest that women rape men at about the same rate that men rape women?

http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/ (http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/)

Yes, Time magazine... Unfortunately, the Department of Justice says otherwise. (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF) Specifically, on page 5 it says,

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Federal statistical series obtaining data on arrested or convicted persons Uniform Crime Reports, National Judicial Reporting Program, and National Corrections Reporting Program show a remarkable similarity in the characteristics of those categorized as rapists: 99 in 100 are male, 6 in 10 are white, and the average age is the early thirties

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 09:24:20 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 04:58:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 03:41:18 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 25, 2015, 02:04:16 pm
Child support?


Let's start with one of the most grotesque: rape victims having to pay child support to care for their rape babies.

In Hermesmann v. Seyer, Colleen Hermesmann successfully argued that a woman is entitled to sue the father of her child for child support, even if conception occurred as a result of a criminal act committed by the woman.  This has been used as a precedent.  Repeatedly.

I looked up that case. To say it has been "used as precedent. Repeatedly." is a bald-face lie. It is still the law in Kansas, to be sure. But the case has been cited 109 times according to westlaw, 69 of which are secondary sources: law journals and other academic work (which looks to be very critical of the result). The portion relevant has been cited by 4 courts, three of which rejected it's logic. One court in Delaware in an unpublished opinion upheld it, finding that a mother who was a victim of an incestuous rape had a common law duty to provide for the resulting child when the father/ her brother had custody.

But I'm not here to play oppression olympics. Fact is, courts aren't perfect, some of them make mistakes. Some mistakes are terrible. Jim Crow for example. However, I do not see this as a male problem, but instead as part of a larger problem in which courts grant rapists parental rights. In something like 22 states, a rapist can rape a woman, and retain custody. Courts often rely on case precedence, and when they extend these rights to male rapists, they set the stage for the same outcome for female rapists.

Could I have a source?

I GAVE YOU THE SOURCE. IT'S CALLED WESTLAW YOU DOLT. Unfortunately, you have to pay to use it. I get it free as a perk of being in the super secret lawyer's club.

ETA: I am in full agreement with Davedan. In reality, I question posts in this thread so often because I do want to confine it to the "worst of" part. When it first started, I enjoyed laughing at little kids in mommy's basement threatening people. But now, I don't feel like there is any standard. Gray areas, such as what McIntosh posted, are ridiculed as SJW because they espouse a position on social justice that someone here disagrees with. That isn't a solid standard to me. And, when that happens, the practical effect is that any amount of caring for social justice carries the risk of being an SJW if someone to the political right of you disagrees. I think that, practically speaking, when gray areas in social justice arise, it is better to be on the social justice side of that gray area. That doesn't mean you cannot think critically of the situation, but to say that if there is gray area, and you disagree with someone, that doesn't make them a rabid SJW that hates all white cis-men.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 25, 2015, 10:58:11 pm
I posted this earlier in another thread, at the time I had considered posting it in here and now fuck it:

http://whenwomenrefuse.tumblr.com (http://whenwomenrefuse.tumblr.com)

listen to these SJW radical feminists expecting to be treated like autonomous beings capable of respect. crazy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 11:37:16 pm
Quote from: davedan on November 25, 2015, 10:44:40 pm
Personally I am getting fucking annoyed with the use of the term SJW as a derogatory term. Striving for social justice has to be a commendable goal. People may get carried away with how they do it but otherwise aren't you actually saying you want to preserve social inequality?

That's a false dichotomy.  I'm not against social justice, only against the extremists.  And that's exactly why I stopped saying "SJW" and started saying "radflake."

Quote from: davedan on November 25, 2015, 10:58:11 pm
I posted this earlier in another thread, at the time I had considered posting it in here and now fuck it:

http://whenwomenrefuse.tumblr.com (http://whenwomenrefuse.tumblr.com)

listen to these SJW radical feminists expecting to be treated like autonomous beings capable of respect. crazy.

...How dare you.

Dave, I used to respect you.  Hell, for all our disagreements, I used to like you.  I was willing to put up with a lot.  But this?  This is just beyond the pale.

Implying that I would support those atrocities just because of my political views?  You have crossed the line.

I don't want to hear another peep out of you, loathsome cracker.  You've done quite enough.  Have you no decency?  Have you, at long last, no sense of decency?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 25, 2015, 11:50:08 pm
Penultimate Pissant - it is not a false dichotomy at all. You either want to fight social inequality or you want it entrenched.

A person may say that I feel there is no social inequality but if there was I would be against it/ for it. Although a person who said there was none would be pretty oblivious.

Or just a mendacious person. Like you.

Edit: For all our disagreements I used to like you too.

I have grown disillusioned by your increasing and rampant intellectual dishonesty, sometimes actual dishonesty.

Don't try and censor me. According to you telling me to shut up is a violation of freedom of speech.

I'm not impressed with your feigned outrage either. Don't pretend that I am the loathsome one when you are more outraged by inconsistent demands for female game characters than what happens to women every day.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on November 26, 2015, 12:04:06 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 11:37:16 pm
I'm not against social justice, only against the extremists.  And that's exactly why I stopped saying "SJW" and started saying "radflake."

I suppose the interesting detail is where you draw the line of "extreme". After all, Vox and Roosh don't like those extremist feminists either, for their own definition of extreme.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 11:37:16 pm
Quote from: davedan on November 25, 2015, 10:58:11 pm
I posted this earlier in another thread, at the time I had considered posting it in here and now fuck it:

http://whenwomenrefuse.tumblr.com (http://whenwomenrefuse.tumblr.com)

listen to these SJW radical feminists expecting to be treated like autonomous beings capable of respect. crazy.

...How dare you.

Dave, I used to respect you.  Hell, for all our disagreements, I used to like you.  I was willing to put up with a lot.  But this?  This is just beyond the pale.

Implying that I would support those atrocities just because of my political views?  You have crossed the line.

I don't want to hear another peep out of you, loathsome cracker.  You've done quite enough.  Have you no decency?  Have you, at long last, no sense of decency?

It's an outrage! Another Conservative Outrage-Gate™, I say!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 26, 2015, 12:10:03 am
Also to answer your direct question. No I have no sense of decency.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 26, 2015, 12:13:01 am
...cracker? Out of all the words you use to express your sincere disappointment and loathing, you use "cracker"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 26, 2015, 12:16:27 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 11:37:16 pm
I don't want to hear another peep out of you, loathsome cracker.  You've done quite enough.  Have you no decency?  Have you, at long last, no sense of decency?

Can you not talk like a knight of the fucking round table?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 26, 2015, 12:22:14 am
Quote from: Even Then on November 26, 2015, 12:13:01 am
...cracker? Out of all the words you use to express your sincere disappointment and loathing, you use "cracker"?

I am a cracker though it's my schtick. Hence my title 'Lord Cracker'
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 26, 2015, 12:23:47 am
But out of all the insults he could've used to signify his sincere anger... "cracker"? It almost makes me feel like he's not even sincere.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 26, 2015, 12:36:18 am
Can I be a cracker?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 26, 2015, 12:42:34 am
you're all fucking crackers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on November 26, 2015, 01:25:46 am
Quote from: davedan on November 25, 2015, 11:50:08 pm
Penultimate Pissant - it is not a false dichotomy at all. You either want to fight social inequality or you want it entrenched.

Um actually it is a false dichotomy. Those are not the only options or positions available. For example, there is ambivalence, there is a mix of wanting to fight social inequality on some fronts and entrenching it on others. As with everything in life there are areas of grey.

Us humans are inclined to simplify things, it helps us to identify, sort and label concepts. However the world is not that simple. there will always be inequality because nothing is ever truly equal to anything else. The extremes of social justice and the people who seek to entrench social norms both see the world too simplistically and fail to realize the truly staggering degree of nuance and difference that exists. As with so many things, there is a middle ground out there that is best for all, and in the journey to that middle ground the obnoxious shouting of the outliers helps us to remain focused on the boundaries of the problems. One must just remember to not fall into the trap of binary thought.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 26, 2015, 01:42:19 am
Hi Sylvana I disagree. Even when you have differing views depending on the issues, you are really for the entrenched position or against it. Most people would only be for the entrenched position when they believed it was not productive of injustice. Apathy and Ambivalence are really being for the entrenched position as they do not seek to change it.

Edit: Also I understand that there may be differing degrees of feeling and that the level of feeling about an issue is deeply nuanced. However that nuance really depends on how strongly for or against you are a particular issue of injustice. As inequalities lessen, people who are against a particular issue may change view. For instance many people would have been against excluding female suffrage. Once female suffrage was obtained, some people would have no longer been concerned about gendered inequality. Despite other inequalities still existing.

Finally I agree that inequality will always exist as it is part of our human experience.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on November 26, 2015, 01:42:39 am
Quote from: davedan on November 26, 2015, 12:42:34 am
you're all fucking crackers.


Haven't been fucking anyone for over a year now, thank you very much!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 26, 2015, 03:14:41 am
The thing is that you can support "Social Justice" and still think that many of the "Social Justice Warriors" are crazy.

We have this thread to highlight the times when bad things are supported in the name of SJW agenda and the other thread for the good things they do.

The link that Davedan posted was an example of things that need to be said and how victims of rape are often blamed as if they deserved it simply because they dressed in some sort of way or have previously been known to have sex... Which is actually thing that happens in Finnish court. The defender will try to use the victims history as a migitating factor by digging up facts to prove that she may have been promiscuous before or gotten drunk at some point of her life which for some reason makes it ok to rape her or something...

But saying that rape is a serious crime and victim blaming must stop and at the same time thinking that this:
Quote from: Thejebusfire on June 29, 2013, 02:10:47 am
Meanwhile in radfem land:
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Q:So it's a bad thing to like down right rough sex?

A:you’re not a shitty person for it, but yeah asserting dominance over a woman via sex is rape.

Because a woman enjoying rough sex is totally akin to rape.
...Is over the board and also insults women because it claims that women who like rough sex are being raped but just don't realize (which leads to the concept of "we need to protect [insert group] because they are being oppressed but are too stupid to realize that they are being oppressed. Also kink-shaming.) it is not only wrong but harmful for those who try to fight against real rape victims.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 26, 2015, 09:00:30 am
Quote from: The_Queen on November 26, 2015, 12:16:27 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 11:37:16 pm
I don't want to hear another peep out of you, loathsome cracker.  You've done quite enough.  Have you no decency?  Have you, at long last, no sense of decency?

Can you not talk like a knight of the fucking round table?

I was talking like Joseph Nye Welch.  You'd think a lawyer would know that.

Quote from: Even Then on November 26, 2015, 12:13:01 am
...cracker? Out of all the words you use to express your sincere disappointment and loathing, you use "cracker"?

It's a pun on his self-appointed title, "Lord Cracker."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 26, 2015, 10:03:05 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 26, 2015, 09:00:30 am
Quote from: The_Queen on November 26, 2015, 12:16:27 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 11:37:16 pm
I don't want to hear another peep out of you, loathsome cracker.  You've done quite enough.  Have you no decency?  Have you, at long last, no sense of decency?

Can you not talk like a knight of the fucking round table?

I was talking like Joseph Nye Welch.  You'd think a lawyer would know that.

Never heard of him, sounds like a wanker
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on November 26, 2015, 10:15:45 am
He was my grandfather's second cousin. Pompous talk he reserved for chiding Sen. McCarthy during questioning at the commie witch hunt trials.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 26, 2015, 11:34:54 am
.......................................oh my fucking god does UP really think he's.....

Ironbite-where's my whiskey.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on November 26, 2015, 01:45:10 pm
Of course he thinks like that! What other motivation besides cult-like obsession? His choice of avatar was a big hint from the beginning. Too bad all that energy is wasted on such a silly cause.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 26, 2015, 02:31:56 pm
Quote from: ironbite on November 26, 2015, 11:34:54 am
.......................................oh my fucking god does UP really think he's.....

Ironbite-where's my whiskey.

No, I just though it sounded good.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on November 26, 2015, 03:21:14 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 25, 2015, 11:37:16 pm
...How dare you.

Dave, I used to respect you.  Hell, for all our disagreements, I used to like you.  I was willing to put up with a lot.  But this?  This is just beyond the pale.

Implying that I would support those atrocities just because of my political views?  You have crossed the line.

I don't want to hear another peep out of you, loathsome cracker.  You've done quite enough.  Have you no decency?  Have you, at long last, no sense of decency?
That's not how this works, Ultington. You're supposed to remove your glove, slap him across the face with it and challenge him to a duel.

OctothorpeActuallyIt'sAboutEthicsInDueling
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 26, 2015, 09:46:01 pm
Let's talk about this somewhere else.  It's sending the thread wildly off the rails.

Here's a kindergarten teacher discriminating against male students because she thinks it'll help gender equality:

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/11/19/kindergarten-teacher-bans-legos-for-boys-citing-gender-equity/ (http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/11/19/kindergarten-teacher-bans-legos-for-boys-citing-gender-equity/)

When you have an axe to grind with 5 year old children, it means you shouldn't be allowed near them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 27, 2015, 07:52:21 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 26, 2015, 09:46:01 pm
Let's talk about this somewhere else.  It's sending the thread wildly off the rails.

Here's a kindergarten teacher discriminating against male students because she thinks it'll help gender equality:

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/11/19/kindergarten-teacher-bans-legos-for-boys-citing-gender-equity/ (http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/11/19/kindergarten-teacher-bans-legos-for-boys-citing-gender-equity/)

When you have an axe to grind with 5 year old children, it means you shouldn't be allowed near them.

Fuck you are far more dishonest and insincere than I thought. It's actually pretty special.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on November 27, 2015, 10:50:45 am
Quote from: davedan on November 27, 2015, 07:52:21 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 26, 2015, 09:46:01 pm
Let's talk about this somewhere else.  It's sending the thread wildly off the rails.

Here's a kindergarten teacher discriminating against male students because she thinks it'll help gender equality:

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/11/19/kindergarten-teacher-bans-legos-for-boys-citing-gender-equity/ (http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/11/19/kindergarten-teacher-bans-legos-for-boys-citing-gender-equity/)

When you have an axe to grind with 5 year old children, it means you shouldn't be allowed near them.

Fuck you are far more dishonest and insincere than I thought. It's actually pretty special.

I dunno, that really is the wrong way to go about it.  You can encourage girls to do a thing without banning the boys.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 27, 2015, 11:05:42 am
Quote from: TheL on November 27, 2015, 10:50:45 am
Quote from: davedan on November 27, 2015, 07:52:21 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 26, 2015, 09:46:01 pm
Let's talk about this somewhere else.  It's sending the thread wildly off the rails.

Here's a kindergarten teacher discriminating against male students because she thinks it'll help gender equality:

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/11/19/kindergarten-teacher-bans-legos-for-boys-citing-gender-equity/ (http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/11/19/kindergarten-teacher-bans-legos-for-boys-citing-gender-equity/)

When you have an axe to grind with 5 year old children, it means you shouldn't be allowed near them.

Fuck you are far more dishonest and insincere than I thought. It's actually pretty special.

I dunno, that really is the wrong way to go about it.  You can encourage girls to do a thing without banning the boys.

I believe Davedan was referencing the part that I bolded. There is a thread in F&B that Paragon refuses to acknowledge about this very debate tactic of his.

And his new thread is comical. He concedes half the things we were debating so that he could continue to argue that international men's day is needed to protect men from false rape allegations. Yes, that is the only part left of what he is arguing, and it needed a whole new thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 27, 2015, 12:46:15 pm
Didn't I make a thread detailing this very same tatic of his and am now waiting for hits 500th topic for another "celebration"?  I think I am.

Ironbite-btw the next celebration thread everyone wears bikinis.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on November 27, 2015, 12:47:46 pm
Quote from: ironbite on November 27, 2015, 12:46:15 pm
Didn't I make a thread detailing this very same tatic of his and am now waiting for hits 500th topic for another "celebration"?  I think I am.

Ironbite-btw the next celebration thread everyone wears bikinis.

Looks like you'll have to wait a while, seeing as he's only at 335 at the moment.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 27, 2015, 01:25:10 pm
I give it to the end of the year.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on November 27, 2015, 04:06:34 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 27, 2015, 11:05:42 am
Quote from: TheL on November 27, 2015, 10:50:45 am
Quote from: davedan on November 27, 2015, 07:52:21 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 26, 2015, 09:46:01 pm
Let's talk about this somewhere else.  It's sending the thread wildly off the rails.

Here's a kindergarten teacher discriminating against male students because she thinks it'll help gender equality:

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/11/19/kindergarten-teacher-bans-legos-for-boys-citing-gender-equity/ (http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2015/11/19/kindergarten-teacher-bans-legos-for-boys-citing-gender-equity/)

When you have an axe to grind with 5 year old children, it means you shouldn't be allowed near them.

Fuck you are far more dishonest and insincere than I thought. It's actually pretty special.

I dunno, that really is the wrong way to go about it.  You can encourage girls to do a thing without banning the boys.

I believe Davedan was referencing the part that I bolded. There is a thread in F&B that Paragon refuses to acknowledge about this very debate tactic of his.

And his new thread is comical. He concedes half the things we were debating so that he could continue to argue that international men's day is needed to protect men from false rape allegations. Yes, that is the only part left of what he is arguing, and it needed a whole new thread.

I was talking about that. Particularly given the now completely clear and insincere feigned outrage of earlier in the thread. Further he has elided responding to the questions about how he could have used a particular example as saying that feminists were seeking lesser punishments for women for being women, when it clearly, very clearly didn't.

If it gets hard, feign outrage about something not expressly directed at me, ignore the hard question, wait move back to where I want to go. He's doing it in his own pet thread in F&B too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on November 27, 2015, 08:38:11 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 27, 2015, 11:05:42 am
And his new thread is comical. He concedes half the things we were debating so that he could continue to argue that international men's day is needed to protect men from false rape allegations. Yes, that is the only part left of what he is arguing, and it needed a whole new thread.

Wow. Considering how often false rape accusations actually happen (not often), that's pretty pathetic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on November 30, 2015, 07:23:26 pm
Quote from: pyro on November 27, 2015, 08:38:11 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 27, 2015, 11:05:42 am
And his new thread is comical. He concedes half the things we were debating so that he could continue to argue that international men's day is needed to protect men from false rape allegations. Yes, that is the only part left of what he is arguing, and it needed a whole new thread.

Wow. Considering how often false rape accusations actually happen (not often), that's pretty pathetic.

Except that's not really what I was arguing.  I was arguing that maybe it could play a role in defending men from false rape accusations.

Speaking of which:

(http://oi68.tinypic.com/291njps.jpg)

Guilty until proven otherwise.  Lovely.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on November 30, 2015, 09:03:29 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on November 30, 2015, 07:23:26 pm
Quote from: pyro on November 27, 2015, 08:38:11 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on November 27, 2015, 11:05:42 am
And his new thread is comical. He concedes half the things we were debating so that he could continue to argue that international men's day is needed to protect men from false rape allegations. Yes, that is the only part left of what he is arguing, and it needed a whole new thread.

Wow. Considering how often false rape accusations actually happen (not often), that's pretty pathetic.

Except that's not really what I was arguing.  I was arguing that maybe it could play a role in defending men from false rape accusations.

Speaking of which:

(http://oi68.tinypic.com/291njps.jpg)

Guilty until proven otherwise.  Lovely.

Well, yeah, accusations of crime against famous people have that problem. That's not confined to rape.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 02, 2015, 04:15:57 pm
Ex-muslim feminist is invited to a university by an atheist group to give a speech, members of the schools Islamic Society group decide to harass her and members of the audience. Guess who the schools local feminist group sides with? (http://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 02, 2015, 04:46:34 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 02, 2015, 04:15:57 pm
Ex-muslim feminist is invited to a university by an atheist group to give a speech, members of the schools Islamic Society group decide to harass her and members of the audience. Guess who the schools local feminist group sides with? (http://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/)

that's horrible. like, really horrible.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on December 02, 2015, 05:06:23 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 02, 2015, 04:15:57 pm
Ex-muslim feminist is invited to a university by an atheist group to give a speech, members of the schools Islamic Society group decide to harass her and members of the audience. Guess who the schools local feminist group sides with? (http://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/)

Given SJ's default deference to religion and the resulting hostile attitude toward atheists, I'm not at all surprised.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 02, 2015, 06:24:03 pm
And we wonder why Daesh gets its recruits from.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 04, 2015, 08:54:13 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 02, 2015, 04:15:57 pm
Ex-muslim feminist is invited to a university by an atheist group to give a speech, members of the schools Islamic Society group decide to harass her and members of the audience. Guess who the schools local feminist group sides with? (http://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/)

Plot twist, Guess who the schools LGBT group sided with? (https://twitter.com/GSpellchecker/status/672756401920417792)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 04, 2015, 09:33:24 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 04, 2015, 08:54:13 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 02, 2015, 04:15:57 pm
Ex-muslim feminist is invited to a university by an atheist group to give a speech, members of the schools Islamic Society group decide to harass her and members of the audience. Guess who the schools local feminist group sides with? (http://www.gspellchecker.com/2015/12/goldsmiths-islamic-and-feminist-societies-are-a-disgrace/)

Plot twist, Guess who the schools LGBT group sided with? (https://twitter.com/GSpellchecker/status/672756401920417792)

and here i was expecting humanity to display basic logic and empathy. ugh, i'm so getting wasted this weekend to forget this. anybody's got a favorite drink to recommend? anything except tequila. i like good flavor in my poison.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 04, 2015, 10:27:34 am
If they've got it in France, Wild Irish Rose is pretty good and it can get ya tanked pretty quick.  Like, even a glass bout the size of a coffee mug gets me feeling a bit spinny, and I have a fair tolerance.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on December 04, 2015, 11:47:21 am
Thunderbird, Ripple, Mad Dog 20/20 are all good for laying down and avoiding.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheContrarian on December 04, 2015, 01:01:07 pm
http://www.bumwine.com/cisco.html
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 04, 2015, 01:11:26 pm
ok, i read conty's link. here it is. read it, it's worth it.

Quote
Cisco
18% alc. by vol.

     Cisco is bottled by the nation's second largest wine company, Canandaigua Wine Co., in Canandaigua, NY and Naples, NY - the same company as Wild Irish Rose.
 
     Known as "liquid crack," for its reputation for wreaking more mental havoc than the cheapest tequila.  Something in this syrupy hooch seems to have a synapse-blasting effect not unlike low-grade cocaine.  The label insists that the ingredients are merely "citrus wine & grape wine with artificial flavor & artificial color," but anyone who has tried it knows better.  Tales of Cisco-induced semi-psychotic fits are common.  Often, people on a Cisco binge end up curled into a fetal ball, shuddering and muttering paranoid rants.  Nudity and violence may well be involved too.  Everyone who drinks this feels great at first, and claims, "It's not bad at all, I like it."  But, you really do not want to mess around with this one, because they all sing a different tune a few minutes later.  And by tune, I mean the psychotic ramblings of a raging naked bum.
 
     In 1991, Cisco's tendency to cause a temporary form of inebriated insanity led the Federal Trade Commission to require its bottlers to print a warning on the label (above right).  The FTC also forced them to drop their marketing slogan, "Takes You by Surprise," even though it was entirely accurate.  Read the FTC's full investigation on their own web page at this link.  Since those days, Cisco is harder to find outside the slums, although the FTC's demonizing of the drink only bolstered its reputation for getting people trashed.  Anyone who overlooks the warning and confuses this with a casual wine cooler is going to get more than they bargained for.  Cisco will make a new man out of you.  And he wants some too.
 
     Our research shows that Cisco is actually the second best tasting of the five great bum wines, especially if you're having one of those hankerings for cheap Vodka, Jello and Robitussin.  We must also note that Cisco is the best of all 5 bum wines at putting the darkest and puffiest bags under your eyes.  The nuclear-tinted color of "Cisco RED" is reminiscent of diesel fuel.  Most Cisco flavors are named by the fruit flavor that they are trying to emulate, but the one picture is simply called "RED."  This chemical disaster will get your head spinning in no time.  A test subject reports, "Strawberry Cisco has a bouquet similar to that of Frankenberry cereal fermented in wine cooler with added sprinkle of brandy for presentation."  The sticky, sickingly sweet taste with a hint of antifreeze really comes through in the repellant taste of Cisco.  Avaliable in various flavors, 375 mL and 750mL sizes.  Down a whole 750 mL and you had better be ready to clear your calendar as you suffer through Cisco's legendary 2 day hangover.

and here, i thought you guys were gonna recommend things like whisky highballs, vodka cranberries, or even brandy by a fireplace. nope, you're actually trying to send me to jail for public indecency.... i wonder if they ship overseas.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 04, 2015, 01:20:10 pm
That has to be the most glorious thing I've read in a very long time.  Now, I totally wanna try some...should probably bar the doors from the outside, though, lol.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 04, 2015, 01:49:01 pm
....Ravy if you do give me your address.

Ironbite-I wanna come over and partake some as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 04, 2015, 02:01:23 pm
Weaklings...

http://www.absinthe.fm/products/Absinthe/by-Alcohol-Degree/-89-percent/Absinthe-Hapsburg-Hardcore.html
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 04, 2015, 02:03:48 pm
Just cut the bullshit and drink pure ethanol.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 04, 2015, 02:08:02 pm
"Drink?" Inject it into your veins like a REAL MAN!!!! (insert insanity wolf)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 04, 2015, 02:11:23 pm
@askold: ooh, never tried that one before. although i tried just as strong (black absinthe), i found the flavor to be... nonexistant beyond...

@art: pure ethanol. i've got money to spend, might as well enjoy what i'm drinking.

to get back on track. does that mean i'm a priviledged shitlord because i wanna try hobo drinks?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 04, 2015, 02:12:07 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 04, 2015, 01:49:01 pm
....Ravy if you do give me your address.

Ironbite-I wanna come over and partake some as well.

Get drunk and play Fallout and/or Minecraft.  Sounds like an epic time, to me!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 04, 2015, 02:26:32 pm
Guizonde: I'm not sure if that was the bottle I saw at work but there was an empty Absinthe bottle with the same alcohol % and my coworker and I talked about how at that point it's just pure alcohol with a pinch of wormwood and a few other herbs added into it...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on December 04, 2015, 02:27:26 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 04, 2015, 02:03:48 pm
Just cut the bullshit and drink pure ethanol.

Sorry to rain on the parade, but this is legitimately a very, very, very bad idea. What you want is 95%-96% ethanol (the rest being water), because to make it any purer you have to add stuff like benzene which can fuck you up in a bad way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheContrarian on December 04, 2015, 06:33:47 pm
Quote from: dpareja on December 04, 2015, 02:27:26 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 04, 2015, 02:03:48 pm
Just cut the bullshit and drink pure ethanol.

Sorry to rain on the parade, but this is legitimately a very, very, very bad idea. What you want is 95%-96% ethanol (the rest being water), because to make it any purer you have to add stuff like benzene which can fuck you up in a bad way.

The above is wrong.

No possible harm can come to you from drinking pure ethanol.

I mean they use it medicinally and stuff.

DRINK IT MONKEY, DRINK IT NOW!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 04, 2015, 06:37:03 pm
We're mostly water, and bleach is mostly water, therefore, we are bleach.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheContrarian on December 04, 2015, 06:41:37 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 04, 2015, 06:37:03 pm
We're mostly water, and bleach is mostly water, therefore, we are bleach.

Logic.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee0_1349946618
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 04, 2015, 07:24:37 pm
Quote from: Askold on December 04, 2015, 02:01:23 pm
Weaklings...

http://www.absinthe.fm/products/Absinthe/by-Alcohol-Degree/-89-percent/Absinthe-Hapsburg-Hardcore.html

As the declared Goddess of the booze, I declare that Ravy wins this round. First off, Absinthe has taste. In contrast, Wild Irish, or Rosie as it is colloquially known, is two parts grape kool-aid, one part turpentine. Cost wise, Absinthe is quite expensive, while Rosie goes for $4-5. Consumption wise, a bottle of Rosie is enough to get any person drunk, a second nickname it carries is "black-out in a bottle" (not that a bottle of Absinthe won't get one wasted, but Rosie is far from weak). Finally, Absinthe is knocked down a peg. The whole hallucination jazz that surrounds it makes it sound worse than it really is. Everything I just told you about Rosie is true, and you better believe it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheContrarian on December 04, 2015, 07:27:34 pm
Absinthe is just aniseed balls dissolved in nail polish remover.

Unless you get the foreign stuff with wormwood in and even then it's better to just extract the thujone and smoke that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 04, 2015, 07:30:37 pm
You all are of course wrong.  The best booze in the universe happens to be green.

Ironbite-pure green.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 04, 2015, 08:02:26 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 04, 2015, 07:24:37 pm
Quote from: Askold on December 04, 2015, 02:01:23 pm
Weaklings...

http://www.absinthe.fm/products/Absinthe/by-Alcohol-Degree/-89-percent/Absinthe-Hapsburg-Hardcore.html

As the declared Goddess of the booze, I declare that Ravy wins this round. First off, Absinthe has taste. In contrast, Wild Irish, or Rosie as it is colloquially known, is two parts grape kool-aid, one part turpentine. Cost wise, Absinthe is quite expensive, while Rosie goes for $4-5. Consumption wise, a bottle of Rosie is enough to get any person drunk, a second nickname it carries is "black-out in a bottle" (not that a bottle of Absinthe won't get one wasted, but Rosie is far from weak). Finally, Absinthe is knocked down a peg. The whole hallucination jazz that surrounds it makes it sound worse than it really is. Everything I just told you about Rosie is true, and you better believe it.

Who cares if its "low quality" if its good?  Honestly, most of the expensive wine I've had is borderline undrinkable because of how absolutely foul it tastes.  Seriously, its like someone pickled skunk dick, mixed in some shitty black jelly beans, tossed in some rubbing alcohol and gave that shit a firm few shakes.  There are some classier wines out there that are fairly good, like Post Familie, as they make a mean muscadine (wild grape) wine, but if you want something potable and cheap that will still get you blasted, then you're better off with something like Rosie.

[Not taking offense to anything ya said, Queen, just saying that "quality" wine is like beauty, its entirely up to one's own personal tastes.]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 04, 2015, 08:31:23 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaujolais_nouveau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaujolais_nouveau)

you want bad wine? i'll give you bad wine. 2,39€ at a major french retailer today. it will get you blind drunk, especially as in the big cities they hand it out freely and in quantity. seriously. you don't want to go to student hangouts in the cities when the beaujolais comes around. it smells like puke, vinegar, and bad decisions. two things though. you're either desperate to get drunk, or you have no taste in wine whatsoever. for the very reasonable price of 3€, i can grab you some quality bourgogne, gaillac, or non-prestige vinyard bordeau. of course, prestige wines start appearing at around 8€, and my brother in law bought a bottle for 23€ today, to enjoy with my sister some duck filet in wild mushroom sauce.

call me old-fashioned or boorish, but i drink for taste. i'll gladly spend a few coins more to get something palatable. i've grown out of the "get drunk no matter if i'm drinking gasoline with turpentine chasers" phase.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on December 04, 2015, 11:09:47 pm
I suppose I'll never understand drinking for taste, because regardless of price, any wine I've ever had was like a torture chamber in my mouth. So spending $4-5 on our Rosie starts to seem a whole lot more appealing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cataclysm on December 04, 2015, 11:39:36 pm
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12316500_550178888471976_4524208114229298439_n.png?oh=d93893324cf129be158cae866813317b&oe=57205B86)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on December 05, 2015, 12:10:18 am
Does she claim that (western) people don't make generalizations about (white) men in ways that result in real life consequences and do when it comes to minorities? Outrageous!

Also, and more to the point, rape culture can be accurately said to be mostly a result of men's attitudes towards women's sexuality. Islamic terrorism and specially property crime among blacks poor people have more complicated causalities behind them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 05, 2015, 09:52:26 am
Quote from: Sleepy on December 04, 2015, 11:09:47 pm
I suppose I'll never understand drinking for taste, because regardless of price, any wine I've ever had was like a torture chamber in my mouth. So spending $4-5 on our Rosie starts to seem a whole lot more appealing.

A yummy and cheap variety available in any grocery store is Prosecco. It's a sweetish/tartish, very lightly sparkling white wine originally from Italy. It's the new, popular choice for people who aren't into wine at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on December 05, 2015, 10:52:11 am
Quote from: Askold on December 04, 2015, 02:26:32 pm
Guizonde: I'm not sure if that was the bottle I saw at work but there was an empty Absinthe bottle with the same alcohol % and my coworker and I talked about how at that point it's just pure alcohol with a pinch of wormwood and a few other herbs added into it...

While we're on the topic of high-proof liquor, may I just add some Italian examples?

Limoncello (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limoncello)

Centerba Toro Forte (http://www.centerbatoro.it/toro/prodotti)  This stuff is from the town my grandfather grew up in.  It's not well-known or easy to get outside of Italy, but DAMN does it pack a wallop.  70% alcohol.  My dad's family usually just puts a spoonful into their espresso to add a little "kick."  Do not--DO NOT--drink a whole fucking glass.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 05, 2015, 10:54:09 am
Quote from: SCarpelan on December 05, 2015, 12:10:18 am
Does she claim that (western) people don't make generalizations about (white) men in ways that result in real life consequences and do when it comes to minorities? Outrageous!

Yeah, there are no consequences for generalizing men as potential rapists.  You know, except for paranoia, witch-hunts, and justifications for demonizing male sexuality.

Quote from: SCarpelan on December 05, 2015, 12:10:18 am
Also, and more to the point, rape culture can be accurately said to be mostly a result of men's attitudes towards women's sexuality. Islamic terrorism and specially property crime among blacks poor people have more complicated causalities behind them.

The problem comes from taking it for granted that rape culture even exists in the West.  Statistics don't back up the claim.  The infamous "one in five" statistic comes from a deeply flawed study that defined forced kissing and even attempted forced kissing as outright sexual assault.  Moreover, DoJ statistics (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf) show that between 2005 and 2010, only 1.8% of women suffered sexual violence.  Of course, there are unreported cases to consider, but according to RAINN, 68% of rapes go unreported.  That's a large proportion, but it still means that only 3% of American women were raped during that timespan.

Furthermore, the poster all but stated that every single man is a rapist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:11:37 am
TTrying to kiss someone by force... is sexual assault...

And "demonizing male sexuality" how?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 05, 2015, 11:19:48 am
Quote from: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:11:37 am
TTrying to kiss someone by force... is sexual assault...

True, but there are degrees.  Forced kissing is bad, to be sure, but it shouldn't be equated with outright rape.

Quote from: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:11:37 am
And "demonizing male sexuality" how?

How about the idea that men have to be taught not to rape?  Or how about this bullshit?

(click to show/hide)

This would be ridiculously offensive if it were applied to just about any other group.

"You say not all blacks are thugs?  Imagine a bowl of M&Ms."

"You say not all Muslims are terrorists?  Imagine a bowl of M&Ms."

You say not all Jews are cheats?  Imagine a bowl of M&Ms."

"You say not all gays are pedophiles?  Imagine a bowl of M&Ms."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:28:27 am
Fine, that wording is a misleading way to state "men need consent education more than women do because society has had (and still occasionally does have) a problem with making men think they're entitled to having sex with women". But the idea is still valid. And your M&M complaint is a false equivalency because 1) men as a social class have insitutionally brought down women and men still have social privilege over women in several aspects and 2) Jews, black people, Muslims and gay people don't have systemic privilege (at least in the West).

Tangentially related, but have any of you ever encountered a gay incel?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 05, 2015, 11:37:18 am
Quote from: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:28:27 am
Fine, that wording is a misleading way to state "men need consent education more than women do because society has had (and still occasionally does have) a problem with making men think they're entitled to having sex with women". But the idea is still valid. And your M&M complaint is a false equivalency because 1) men as a social class have insitutionally brought down women and men still have social privilege over women in several aspects and 2) Jews, black people, Muslims and gay people don't have systemic privilege (at least in the West).

Tangentially related, but have any of you ever encountered a gay incel?

i'd like to say that it should be equal consent education. i've been slapped by a girl for refusing her advances politely. her reasoning? "you should be grateful i want to kiss you, you faggot!". but noooo, nevermind the fact that i was in a committed relationship and had no desire to look elsewhere at that time, and while we're at it, let's jut pass over the fact that she thought every single guy was a desperate horndog. even then, i'm sure you can get behind those ideas that it's wrong, right?

as an aside, still not gay, even if i refuse advances from girls when i don't want those aforementioned advances.

once again, even then, an incel is "involuntary celibate", right? just that? no deeper meaning according to your definition? if so, yeah, i met one, once. i think.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:40:55 am
I'm not saying individual cases don't exist where women don't need consent education, I'm talking about wider societal patterns.

And I define incel as "someone who isn't getting sex, believes they are owed sex and it's society's fault they can't get any". For me, it has that "entitled prick" connotation beyond just "someone who can't get any and is sad about that".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 05, 2015, 12:54:05 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:40:55 am
I'm not saying individual cases don't exist where women don't need consent education, I'm talking about wider societal patterns.

And I define incel as "someone who isn't getting sex, believes they are owed sex and it's society's fault they can't get any". For me, it has that "entitled prick" connotation beyond just "someone who can't get any and is sad about that".

first point, douchebags with ego problems exist regardless of gender. too true. got it.

second point. like the mgtows or whatever? oh, in that case, nope don't know any. then again, i don't know too many gays, maybe 6 or 7, tops. and most of them are lesbians.
i do know a lot of frustrated bi's, but that's not really their gripe.

i don't hang out too much with the lgbt crowd, it seems like their sexuality (or lack thereof) is all that matters to them, and i much prefer to talk about other things with people. for instance, my (defunct) band's singer is gay. took us six months to figure it out, because it never came up in conversation until he brought his boyfriend to a party. he was open about it, it just never came up. we were more worried about his distate of alcohol. turned out he just doesn't like the taste. so yeah, normal guy. with the lgbt crowd? i'd have known within five minutes their sexual orientation. six months later, they'd still be only talking about that. "ok, i got the message, you're gay, and i'm cool with that. but what else do you like in life? stoner rock? dance music? science-fiction? anything?" except last time i tried that, i got called out for distracting the club from its "original goal". dammit, it said we were allowed to socialize!
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disclaimer: only talking about the one lgbt club in my old university. not generalizing.

edit: no parallels with rob halford, please. he sounded more like layne staley.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Murdin on December 05, 2015, 01:47:15 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 05, 2015, 10:54:09 am
The problem comes from taking it for granted that rape culture even exists in the West.  Statistics don't back up the claim.  The infamous "one in five" statistic comes from a deeply flawed study that defined forced kissing and even attempted forced kissing as outright sexual assault.  Moreover, DoJ statistics (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf) show that between 2005 and 2010, only 1.8% of women suffered sexual violence.  Of course, there are unreported cases to consider, but according to RAINN, 68% of rapes go unreported.  That's a large proportion, but it still means that only 3% of American women were raped during that timespan.

Do you seriously view this as a reassuring statistic that debunks the idea of rape culture?

First, learn to high school level math. If 68% of rapes go unreported, then it means the number of reported rape represents 32% of the total number of rape. This gives us a naive estimate of 0.18 / 0.32 = 5.625% of women having been raped between 2005 and 2010, which is somewhat overestimated from the fact that it fails to account for individuals who have reported some, but not all, of their rapes. Your 3% probably comes from 0.18 + 0.68 x 0.18, which is a complete methodological asspull to say the least.

Then again, you don't seem to understand how time works, either. Even when taking your bullshit 3% statistic, even when over-accounting for false reports and the same women being raped multiple times over several 5-year periods... even with the absurdly conservative estimate that 1% of women are first-time victims of rape every 5 years, the lifetime probability still clocks in at over 15%.

But I guess you don't care about the ethical use of statistical data, as long as you can score a point against a theory that displeases you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 05, 2015, 02:25:01 pm
Quote from: Murdin on December 05, 2015, 01:47:15 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 05, 2015, 10:54:09 am
The problem comes from taking it for granted that rape culture even exists in the West.  Statistics don't back up the claim.  The infamous "one in five" statistic comes from a deeply flawed study that defined forced kissing and even attempted forced kissing as outright sexual assault.  Moreover, DoJ statistics (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf) show that between 2005 and 2010, only 1.8% of women suffered sexual violence.  Of course, there are unreported cases to consider, but according to RAINN, 68% of rapes go unreported.  That's a large proportion, but it still means that only 3% of American women were raped during that timespan.

Do you seriously view this as a reassuring statistic that debunks the idea of rape culture?

First, learn to high school level math. If 68% of rapes go unreported, then it means the number of reported rape represents 32% of the total number of rape. This gives us a naive estimate of 0.18 / 0.32 = 5.625% of women having been raped between 2005 and 2010, which is somewhat overestimated from the fact that it fails to account for individuals who have reported some, but not all, of their rapes. Your 3% probably comes from 0.18 + 0.68 x 0.18, which is a complete methodological asspull to say the least.

Okay, yeah, that was my bad.  However, that doesn't change the fact that rape rates are going down.

Also, I made another mistake: I misread the statistic.  I thought it said 1.8%, but in reality, it said 1.8 per 1,000, i.e. 0.18%.  So that's 0.5625% of women.

Note to self: read sources more carefully when arguing on the Internet.

Quote from: Murdin on December 05, 2015, 01:47:15 pm
Then again, you don't seem to understand how time works, either. Even when taking your bullshit 3% statistic, even when over-accounting for false reports and the same women being raped multiple times over several 5-year periods... even with the absurdly conservative estimate that 1% of women are first-time victims of rape every 5 years, the lifetime probability still clocks in at over 15%.

Except the wording describes these women as victims of "sexual violence," not "rape."  That includes threatened and attempted rape.  Don't get me wrong, the numbers are still disturbing, but referring to all of these women as rape victims is disingenuous, to say the least.

Besides, when you consider the fact that I misread the statistics, that number gets much, much smaller.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 05, 2015, 05:38:45 pm
OH DAMN!  Murdin slamming it down!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 05, 2015, 07:52:04 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 05, 2015, 05:38:45 pm
OH DAMN!  Murdin slamming it down!

Did you not read my rebuttal?  Or my source?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 05, 2015, 08:04:52 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 05, 2015, 07:52:04 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 05, 2015, 05:38:45 pm
OH DAMN!  Murdin slamming it down!

Did you not read my rebuttal?  Or my source?

dude, it's ironbite. he never reads what you write...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on December 05, 2015, 08:35:49 pm
Gui and paragon are you prepared to live with a 1% chance that at some point in your life I'm going to come over and fuck you in the arse? With a 25% chance that when I do I'm going to physically injure you?

Do you think it is something we shouldn't be concerned about?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 05, 2015, 08:45:57 pm
Quote from: guizonde on December 05, 2015, 08:04:52 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 05, 2015, 07:52:04 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 05, 2015, 05:38:45 pm
OH DAMN!  Murdin slamming it down!

Did you not read my rebuttal?  Or my source?

dude, it's ironbite. he never reads what you write...
Apparently all the times I've said I have him on ignore haven't pierced his mind yet.

Ironbite-maybe this time it'll sink in.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 05, 2015, 09:58:25 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:28:27 am
Fine, that wording is a misleading way to state "men need consent education more than women do because society has had (and still occasionally does have) a problem with making men think they're entitled to having sex with women". But the idea is still valid. And your M&M complaint is a false equivalency because 1) men as a social class have insitutionally brought down women and men still have social privilege over women in several aspects and 2) Jews, black people, Muslims and gay people don't have systemic privilege (at least in the West).

Tangentially related, but have any of you ever encountered a gay incel?
I will concede partially to Paragon (hurls) and say I feel it should just be "teach people not to rape"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 05, 2015, 10:20:08 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 05, 2015, 09:58:25 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:28:27 am
Fine, that wording is a misleading way to state "men need consent education more than women do because society has had (and still occasionally does have) a problem with making men think they're entitled to having sex with women". But the idea is still valid. And your M&M complaint is a false equivalency because 1) men as a social class have insitutionally brought down women and men still have social privilege over women in several aspects and 2) Jews, black people, Muslims and gay people don't have systemic privilege (at least in the West).

Tangentially related, but have any of you ever encountered a gay incel?
I will concede partially to Paragon (hurls) and say I feel it should just be "teach people not to rape"

My problem with this is that it devoids the purpose of the statement from its context. Yes, rape of anyone is wrong and morally reprehensible. But, rape is primarily a crime committed by men against women. There is a rape culture in which rapists are given the benefit of every doubt and women are perceived as lying sluts. Speaking from my own experience of being trans, I have lost count how many times I have heard men behind closed doors make rape jokes. The same cannot be said for females.

And I feel that the real problem with divorcing rape from its context is that it allows society to say "rape is wrong" as opposed to taking a look at the underlying cause of rape, which is a patriarchal society that teaches men to be the "aggressive hunter" and to get the girl, sometimes without her consent.

None of this is to say that women cannot rape men, simply to say that it isn't the epidemic that men raping women is. Further, the one thing that has been conveniently absent in these discussions is that most male rape is done by other men, which further highlights that the problem of rape is due to men. Not anything innate to men, that would be silly, but how men are conditioned relative to women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 05, 2015, 10:25:25 pm
And now he's copying Vox Day's arguments, right down to the demonizing male sexuality thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on December 05, 2015, 10:36:35 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 05, 2015, 10:20:08 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 05, 2015, 09:58:25 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:28:27 am
Fine, that wording is a misleading way to state "men need consent education more than women do because society has had (and still occasionally does have) a problem with making men think they're entitled to having sex with women". But the idea is still valid. And your M&M complaint is a false equivalency because 1) men as a social class have insitutionally brought down women and men still have social privilege over women in several aspects and 2) Jews, black people, Muslims and gay people don't have systemic privilege (at least in the West).

Tangentially related, but have any of you ever encountered a gay incel?
I will concede partially to Paragon (hurls) and say I feel it should just be "teach people not to rape"

My problem with this is that it devoids the purpose of the statement from its context. Yes, rape of anyone is wrong and morally reprehensible. But, rape is primarily a crime committed by men against women. There is a rape culture in which rapists are given the benefit of every doubt and women are perceived as lying sluts. Speaking from my own experience of being trans, I have lost count how many times I have heard men behind closed doors make rape jokes. The same cannot be said for females.

And I feel that the real problem with divorcing rape from its context is that it allows society to say "rape is wrong" as opposed to taking a look at the underlying cause of rape, which is a patriarchal society that teaches men to be the "aggressive hunter" and to get the girl, sometimes without her consent.

None of this is to say that women cannot rape men, simply to say that it isn't the epidemic that men raping women is. Further, the one thing that has been conveniently absent in these discussions is that most male rape is done by other men, which further highlights that the problem of rape is due to men. Not anything innate to men, that would be silly, but how men are conditioned relative to women.

The fact that people think education can help shows it's not something inherent in men but rather a problem of conditioning.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on December 05, 2015, 11:12:10 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on December 05, 2015, 10:25:25 pm
And now he's copying Vox Day's arguments, right down to the demonizing male sexuality thing.


Has anyone seen Vox and UP in the same room?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 05, 2015, 11:16:21 pm
Quote from: davedan on December 05, 2015, 10:36:35 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 05, 2015, 10:20:08 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 05, 2015, 09:58:25 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:28:27 am
Fine, that wording is a misleading way to state "men need consent education more than women do because society has had (and still occasionally does have) a problem with making men think they're entitled to having sex with women". But the idea is still valid. And your M&M complaint is a false equivalency because 1) men as a social class have insitutionally brought down women and men still have social privilege over women in several aspects and 2) Jews, black people, Muslims and gay people don't have systemic privilege (at least in the West).

Tangentially related, but have any of you ever encountered a gay incel?
I will concede partially to Paragon (hurls) and say I feel it should just be "teach people not to rape"

My problem with this is that it devoids the purpose of the statement from its context. Yes, rape of anyone is wrong and morally reprehensible. But, rape is primarily a crime committed by men against women. There is a rape culture in which rapists are given the benefit of every doubt and women are perceived as lying sluts. Speaking from my own experience of being trans, I have lost count how many times I have heard men behind closed doors make rape jokes. The same cannot be said for females.

And I feel that the real problem with divorcing rape from its context is that it allows society to say "rape is wrong" as opposed to taking a look at the underlying cause of rape, which is a patriarchal society that teaches men to be the "aggressive hunter" and to get the girl, sometimes without her consent.

None of this is to say that women cannot rape men, simply to say that it isn't the epidemic that men raping women is. Further, the one thing that has been conveniently absent in these discussions is that most male rape is done by other men, which further highlights that the problem of rape is due to men. Not anything innate to men, that would be silly, but how men are conditioned relative to women.

The fact that people think education can help shows it's not something inherent in men but rather a problem of conditioning.

A valid point, but that does not undermine the notion that making the focus on "people not committing rape" as opposed to "men not committing rape" serves as a tacit erasure of the fact that rape is primarily a crime committed by men against women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 06, 2015, 12:00:07 am
See, that's how UP applies egalitarianism; dilution is the solution. Needs to change his name to Abrogating Apologist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on December 06, 2015, 12:18:14 am
Quote from: The_Queen on December 05, 2015, 11:16:21 pm
Quote from: davedan on December 05, 2015, 10:36:35 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 05, 2015, 10:20:08 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 05, 2015, 09:58:25 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:28:27 am
Fine, that wording is a misleading way to state "men need consent education more than women do because society has had (and still occasionally does have) a problem with making men think they're entitled to having sex with women". But the idea is still valid. And your M&M complaint is a false equivalency because 1) men as a social class have insitutionally brought down women and men still have social privilege over women in several aspects and 2) Jews, black people, Muslims and gay people don't have systemic privilege (at least in the West).

Tangentially related, but have any of you ever encountered a gay incel?
I will concede partially to Paragon (hurls) and say I feel it should just be "teach people not to rape"

My problem with this is that it devoids the purpose of the statement from its context. Yes, rape of anyone is wrong and morally reprehensible. But, rape is primarily a crime committed by men against women. There is a rape culture in which rapists are given the benefit of every doubt and women are perceived as lying sluts. Speaking from my own experience of being trans, I have lost count how many times I have heard men behind closed doors make rape jokes. The same cannot be said for females.

And I feel that the real problem with divorcing rape from its context is that it allows society to say "rape is wrong" as opposed to taking a look at the underlying cause of rape, which is a patriarchal society that teaches men to be the "aggressive hunter" and to get the girl, sometimes without her consent.

None of this is to say that women cannot rape men, simply to say that it isn't the epidemic that men raping women is. Further, the one thing that has been conveniently absent in these discussions is that most male rape is done by other men, which further highlights that the problem of rape is due to men. Not anything innate to men, that would be silly, but how men are conditioned relative to women.

The fact that people think education can help shows it's not something inherent in men but rather a problem of conditioning.

A valid point, but that does not undermine the notion that making the focus on "people not committing rape" as opposed to "men not committing rape" serves as a tacit erasure of the fact that rape is primarily a crime committed by men against women.

I agree. I was just addressing the point that it somehow involves demonisation of what is inherently male rather than how men have been conditioned to behave. Being told not to rape people shouldnt be a challenge to your masculinity.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 06, 2015, 12:19:42 am
Ah, now I see. Well spoken, young cracker.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 06, 2015, 01:06:38 am
Quote from: The_Queen on December 05, 2015, 10:20:08 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 05, 2015, 09:58:25 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 05, 2015, 11:28:27 am
Fine, that wording is a misleading way to state "men need consent education more than women do because society has had (and still occasionally does have) a problem with making men think they're entitled to having sex with women". But the idea is still valid. And your M&M complaint is a false equivalency because 1) men as a social class have insitutionally brought down women and men still have social privilege over women in several aspects and 2) Jews, black people, Muslims and gay people don't have systemic privilege (at least in the West).

Tangentially related, but have any of you ever encountered a gay incel?
I will concede partially to Paragon (hurls) and say I feel it should just be "teach people not to rape"

My problem with this is that it devoids the purpose of the statement from its context. Yes, rape of anyone is wrong and morally reprehensible. But, rape is primarily a crime committed by men against women.

Well, according to the national crime victimization survey (http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245), 38% of rape victims are male.

Quote from: The_Queen on December 05, 2015, 10:20:08 pm
There is a rape culture in which rapists are given the benefit of every doubt and women are perceived as lying sluts.

Then why were Tawana Brawley, Crystal Mangum, and Emma Sulkowicz so readily believed?  Hell, why does this Wikipedia category (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_wrongly_convicted_of_rape) even exist?

Quote from: The_Queen on December 05, 2015, 10:20:08 pm
Speaking from my own experience of being trans, I have lost count how many times I have heard men behind closed doors make rape jokes. The same cannot be said for females.

Anecdotal evidence.

Quote from: The_Queen on December 05, 2015, 10:20:08 pm
And I feel that the real problem with divorcing rape from its context is that it allows society to say "rape is wrong" as opposed to taking a look at the underlying cause of rape, which is a patriarchal society that teaches men to be the "aggressive hunter" and to get the girl, sometimes without her consent.

If that were the cause of rape, you'd think rates of rape would be higher.  However, according to this DoJ report (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf), only 1.1 per 1,000 women suffered rape attempts.  It's true that there are unreported rape cases, but according to RAINN (https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates), 68% of rapes go unreported.  That's a big and worrying percentage, but considering how small the raw numbers are, it doesn't inflate the statistics too much.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on December 06, 2015, 01:18:28 am
Well that wikipedia page is so much more scary than this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States).

Your crime victimisation survey didn't open. Although I personally find it hard to believe that 38% of rape victims are men. Even so out of those 38% how many of the perpetrators were men?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 06, 2015, 01:36:59 am
Quote from: davedan on December 06, 2015, 01:18:28 am
Well that wikipedia page is so much more scary than this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States).

Your crime victimisation survey didn't open. Although I personally find it hard to believe that 38% of rape victims are men. Even so out of those 38% how many of the perpetrators were men?

Huh.  Didn't know there were that few known cases.

But here's the thing: false rape accusations can have horrible consequences, even if the accused isn't convicted.

And if you want some information, here you go (http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on December 06, 2015, 01:51:46 am
From the article:

"Now the question is, in a climate when politicians and the media are finally paying attention to military and campus sexual assault, should these new findings alter our national conversation about rape? Stemple is a longtime feminist who fully understands that men have historically used sexual violence to subjugate women and that in most countries they still do. As she sees it, feminism has fought long and hard to fight rape myths—that if a woman gets raped it’s somehow her fault, that she welcomed it in some way. But the same conversation needs to happen for men. By portraying sexual violence against men as aberrant, we prevent justice and compound the shame. And the conversation about men doesn’t need to shut down the one about women. “Compassion,” she says, “is not a finite resource.”

So it's feminism that is fighting for both male and female rape victims.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 06, 2015, 01:54:07 am
Quote from: davedan on December 06, 2015, 01:51:46 am
From the article:

"Now the question is, in a climate when politicians and the media are finally paying attention to military and campus sexual assault, should these new findings alter our national conversation about rape? Stemple is a longtime feminist who fully understands that men have historically used sexual violence to subjugate women and that in most countries they still do. As she sees it, feminism has fought long and hard to fight rape myths—that if a woman gets raped it’s somehow her fault, that she welcomed it in some way. But the same conversation needs to happen for men. By portraying sexual violence against men as aberrant, we prevent justice and compound the shame. And the conversation about men doesn’t need to shut down the one about women. “Compassion,” she says, “is not a finite resource.”

So it's feminism that is fighting for both male and female rape victims.

Good!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cataclysm on December 06, 2015, 02:01:51 am
Quote from: davedan on December 06, 2015, 01:18:28 am
Well that wikipedia page is so much more scary than this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States).

Your crime victimisation survey didn't open. Although I personally find it hard to believe that 38% of rape victims are men. Even so out of those 38% how many of the perpetrators were men?

The majority of people who sexually assult men are women (~80% IIRC. On the other side, over 90% of people who sexually assault women are men)

The big issue was that until 2012 the FBI'S definition of rape didn't include men, and the current definition excludes a lot of male victims by having rape defined as being forcefully penetrated, when the majority of female-on-male rape is forcing men to penetrated them, greatly reducing the number rof men recorded as rape victims in statistics.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 06, 2015, 10:33:49 am
Quote from: davedan on December 06, 2015, 01:18:28 am
Well that wikipedia page is so much more scary than this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States).

Your crime victimisation survey didn't open. Although I personally find it hard to believe that 38% of rape victims are men. Even so out of those 38% how many of the perpetrators were men?

About half, apparently. From a Salon article about the NCVS, which also mentions the 38% figure (http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html):
Quote
A recent analysis of BJS data, for example, turned up that 46 percent of male victims reported a female perpetrator.

If true, this is much closer to gender parity than I expected. I'm having trouble getting the numbers from the NCVS data, I'll try to remember to give it another go later today.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 06, 2015, 02:46:51 pm
So THAT's what incel stands for!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 10:10:43 am
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/2ugpfo4.jpg)

While it may not happen to whites as often (AFAIK, anyway), it does happen.  For example, there was a white teenager in Georgia who got shot because the cops mistook his Wii Remote for a gun:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remote-shot-cops-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remote-shot-cops-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842)

Besides, this movie was set (and indeed, made) before trigger-happy cops became commonplace.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 08, 2015, 10:40:10 am
But the movie can still remind of the institutional racism in the US despite the time of its making, no?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 08, 2015, 12:12:32 pm
Whatever your objections might be, that hardly qualifies that for Worst of Social Justice. It's... not even bad. It's good social justice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 08, 2015, 12:16:39 pm
^
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on December 08, 2015, 01:32:40 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 10:10:43 am
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/2ugpfo4.jpg)

While it may not happen to whites as often (AFAIK, anyway), it does happen.  For example, there was a white teenager in Georgia who got shot because the cops mistook his Wii Remote for a gun:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remote-shot-cops-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remote-shot-cops-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842)

Besides, this movie was set (and indeed, made) before trigger-happy cops became commonplace.


But how is it bad?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 08, 2015, 01:53:32 pm
As far as I can tell, the points espoused by OP are:

- A black kid got killed for having a toy gun (and his murderer went free) while a story of a white kid getting a toy gun is a national Christmas tradition. This demonstrates that white privilege is a thing in the USA.
- Art can cast light on society's issues and patterns (even inadvertently).
- The USA is a way different place for white children than it is for black children. White privilege and systemic antiblackness are things in the USA.
- White kids in the USA have way less of a chance to get shot by the police for having toy guns than black children do. (Hell, white kids in the USA can carry actual guns in open and not get shot by the police.)

None of this is bad, even though UP is on the right track for a change when he points out that white people are capable of suffering police brutality as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 03:00:16 pm
Quote from: Svata on December 08, 2015, 01:32:40 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 10:10:43 am
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/2ugpfo4.jpg)

While it may not happen to whites as often (AFAIK, anyway), it does happen.  For example, there was a white teenager in Georgia who got shot because the cops mistook his Wii Remote for a gun:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remote-shot-cops-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remote-shot-cops-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842)

Besides, this movie was set (and indeed, made) before trigger-happy cops became commonplace.


But how is it bad?

Because it assumes that white kids don't have to worry about trigger-happy cops.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 08, 2015, 05:03:50 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 03:00:16 pm

Because it assumes that white kids don't have to worry about trigger-happy cops.

But they really don't. And before you say "but what about this case in Georgia", that's one case. Heck, it's so newsworthy because it's such an oddity. The fact of the matter is, for every white child shot to death by police for a toy gun, one could probably name a dozen non-white children who died in the same way. There's just no comparison.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 08, 2015, 05:48:56 pm
call me old-fashioned, but isn't the problem more about trigger-happy cops willing to shoot children than it is about skin color?

besides, objectively speaking, cops are wrong to shoot black kids. white kids are a lighter and easier target to see, anyway.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 06:01:56 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 08, 2015, 05:03:50 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 03:00:16 pm

Because it assumes that white kids don't have to worry about trigger-happy cops.

But they really don't. And before you say "but what about this case in Georgia", that's one case. Heck, it's so newsworthy because it's such an oddity. The fact of the matter is, for every white child shot to death by police for a toy gun, one could probably name a dozen non-white children who died in the same way. There's just no comparison.

Here's a white kid who was shot dead for flashing his headlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwp2pPkXUac

No charges for the cop, by the way.

Or, if you want to talk about cases of "mistaken weapon," get a load of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ptHWgKXRM

I'm not saying blacks don't have it worse in the justice system, just that whites don't have it as good as you think they do.

Besides, that's not really what pushed this into the "worst" camp for me.  It's that last sentence that did it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 08, 2015, 06:05:27 pm
What made you post it here was "watching this movie of a white kid getting a toy gun while being aware of the Tamir Rice debacle reminds me that white privilege exists in the USA"? Seriously?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on December 08, 2015, 06:06:53 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 03:00:16 pm
Quote from: Svata on December 08, 2015, 01:32:40 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 10:10:43 am
Besides, this movie was set (and indeed, made) before trigger-happy cops became commonplace.


But how is it bad?

Because it assumes that white kids don't have to worry about trigger-happy cops.

Honestly, I find it rather disingenuous to use a movie made in the early '80's and set in the mid-to-late '40's to reflect issues and concerns of 2015. If anything, this says more about the hyper-militarization of our police force between when the movie was set (around WW2) and now and the cops these days taking a ready-FIRE!-aim approach to conflict resolution than anything else.

Of course, I readily admit that I could be missing the point, but that is the impressions I get when thinking of the differences between the movie and this day and age.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 08, 2015, 06:11:34 pm
Old art can still be used to reflect on modern issues, tho, even if those issues weren't relevant in the time that art was made. Like... okay, I can't think of any examples, but there's bound to be some. I'm not a sociologist or literary/film analyst.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 06:17:22 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 08, 2015, 06:05:27 pm
What made you post it here was "watching this movie of a white kid getting a toy gun while being aware of the Tamir Rice debacle reminds me that white privilege exists in the USA"? Seriously?

Yeah, that was my bad.  Fixed.

The reason that was so bad is because the movie was set in the 1940s, when guns were considered more socially acceptable.  Refusing to consider the context is the height of intellectual laziness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 08, 2015, 06:19:25 pm
I'm with Paragon. It is about time that we talk about the true victims of institutionalized racism: white people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 08, 2015, 06:21:31 pm
Yeah.  Won't somebody please think of the poor white people?

Ironbite-they're so persecuted
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 08, 2015, 06:25:03 pm
...except the context of the time the movie was made/set in doesn't really matter in this case because the movie is explicitly being viewed in present-day context, with the sociological implications and emotional impact that entails.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 08, 2015, 06:26:38 pm
END WHITE PEOPLE PERSECUTION!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 06:27:39 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 08, 2015, 06:19:25 pm
I'm with Paragon. It is about time that we talk about the true victims of institutionalized racism: white people.

I outright said that black people are treated worse in the American justice system.  My position isn't that white people are the "real victims" or anything like that, it's that white privilege doesn't mean you don't get treated like garbage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 08, 2015, 06:46:47 pm
UP. My 62 year old brother was brutalized by the Miami PD. And jailed. And while he was in jail, he saw how many black guys came in on equally bullshit arrests in much worse shape than he. He and the 9 Cuban Americans he shared the dorm room with were in a special "low aggression" unit. All the rest of the 180 guys in there were black. Even with vicious bully PDs, like they have in Miami Dade, your mileage will be awesome compared to black folks. Give it up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 09:15:50 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on December 08, 2015, 06:46:47 pm
UP. My 62 year old brother was brutalized by the Miami PD. And jailed. And while he was in jail, he saw how many black guys came in on equally bullshit arrests in much worse shape than he. He and the 9 Cuban Americans he shared the dorm room with were in a special "low aggression" unit. All the rest of the 180 guys in there were black. Even with vicious bully PDs, like they have in Miami Dade, your mileage will be awesome compared to black folks. Give it up.

Well, statistics show that, while larger proportions of blacks and Latinos are killed by police, the total number of whites killed by police is almost as large as the two combined.  Whites do have it better when it comes to police brutality, but that doesn't mean their victimization can be ignored.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 08, 2015, 09:18:27 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 10:10:43 am
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/2ugpfo4.jpg)

While it may not happen to whites as often (AFAIK, anyway), it does happen.  For example, there was a white teenager in Georgia who got shot because the cops mistook his Wii Remote for a gun:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remote-shot-cops-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remote-shot-cops-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842)

Besides, this movie was set (and indeed, made) before trigger-happy cops became commonplace.
Pretty sure it's more we have greater awareness of police brutality now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 09:20:16 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 08, 2015, 09:18:27 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 10:10:43 am
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/2ugpfo4.jpg)

While it may not happen to whites as often (AFAIK, anyway), it does happen.  For example, there was a white teenager in Georgia who got shot because the cops mistook his Wii Remote for a gun:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remote-shot-cops-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remote-shot-cops-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842)

Besides, this movie was set (and indeed, made) before trigger-happy cops became commonplace.
Pretty sure it's more we have greater awareness of police brutality now.

That actually raises a good question.  Is police brutality more common, or just more likely to be caught on camera?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on December 09, 2015, 12:27:52 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 06:01:56 pm
I'm not saying blacks don't have it worse in the justice system, just that whites don't have it as good as you think they do.

Besides, that's not really what pushed this into the "worst" camp for me.  It's that last sentence that did it.

"One can't watch 'A Christmas Story' without acknowledging that the world is a far different place for society's Ralphies than for kids like Tamir."

How is that anything more than a concluding summary of the rest of the text?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sylvana on December 09, 2015, 12:41:16 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 09:15:50 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on December 08, 2015, 06:46:47 pm
UP. My 62 year old brother was brutalized by the Miami PD. And jailed. And while he was in jail, he saw how many black guys came in on equally bullshit arrests in much worse shape than he. He and the 9 Cuban Americans he shared the dorm room with were in a special "low aggression" unit. All the rest of the 180 guys in there were black. Even with vicious bully PDs, like they have in Miami Dade, your mileage will be awesome compared to black folks. Give it up.

Well, statistics show that, while larger proportions of blacks and Latinos are killed by police, the total number of whites killed by police is almost as large as the two combined.  Whites do have it better when it comes to police brutality, but that doesn't mean their victimization can be ignored.

Unfortunately, America has a significantly higher percentage of white people compared to people of colour. As such, the fact that the number of people of colour being killed is still larger than the number of whites killed shows that people of colour are still being killed at a higher rate.

Of course perhaps one of the first things that should be dealt with is how psychotically gun crazy and execution loving the police in America are. The video footage of how they just execute suspects is frightening.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 09, 2015, 03:53:22 am
Quote from: guizonde on December 08, 2015, 05:48:56 pm
call me old-fashioned, but isn't the problem more about trigger-happy cops willing to shoot children than it is about skin color?

besides, objectively speaking, cops are wrong to shoot black kids. white kids are a lighter and easier target to see, anyway.

I think your problem is trigger happy cops regardless of the ethnicity or age of their victims. And generally corrupt cops who use violence as the first and only tool when they face a problem.

http://wncn.com/2015/11/15/1-killed-in-harnett-co-officer-involved-shooting/

Police wanted to search a trailer without a warrant and when the occupant refused the police officer kicked down the door and started a fight which ended with the homeowner getting shot fatally.

Granted that the guy did grab the officers taser but it was after the officer burst into the house and started to beat him.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 09, 2015, 06:28:15 am
Honestly, American police are fucking terrifying. Even as a white person, I wouldn't want them to think I so much as looked at them funny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 09, 2015, 06:36:40 am
The sense of dread I see everywhere in regards to the American Police reminds me of stories the Germans told of the SS.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 12, 2015, 03:30:51 pm
Quote from: Sylvana on December 09, 2015, 12:41:16 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 08, 2015, 09:15:50 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on December 08, 2015, 06:46:47 pm
UP. My 62 year old brother was brutalized by the Miami PD. And jailed. And while he was in jail, he saw how many black guys came in on equally bullshit arrests in much worse shape than he. He and the 9 Cuban Americans he shared the dorm room with were in a special "low aggression" unit. All the rest of the 180 guys in there were black. Even with vicious bully PDs, like they have in Miami Dade, your mileage will be awesome compared to black folks. Give it up.

Well, statistics show that, while larger proportions of blacks and Latinos are killed by police, the total number of whites killed by police is almost as large as the two combined.  Whites do have it better when it comes to police brutality, but that doesn't mean their victimization can be ignored.

Unfortunately, America has a significantly higher percentage of white people compared to people of colour. As such, the fact that the number of people of colour being killed is still larger than the number of whites killed shows that people of colour are still being killed at a higher rate.

Of course perhaps one of the first things that should be dealt with is how psychotically gun crazy and execution loving the police in America are. The video footage of how they just execute suspects is frightening.

That's not entirely accurate.  Asians are killed at a lower rate than whites, both in total numbers and in terms of proportion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 12, 2015, 04:20:15 pm
Your perceived economic status, say if you are stopped while driving a car worth more than 50 or 60 thousand, and how well you are dressed, can equal a hands-off approach by bad cops. Money equals legal power in court, as we all know. However, if all those factors are the same, except you are brown or black, things get dicey again.

Regardless, if you are driving through a red zone neighborhood, as was the case when my brother took a popular short cut to get home out of the rush hour traffic, many bad cops will just go ahead and stop you on suspicion (drug buying, prostitution). My brother was in a  late model Mercedes, but wearing cutoffs and a sweaty t-shirt, on his way back home to finish pruning and fertilizing his roses. The cops had set up an impromptu road block, my bro was a little less than sweet natured at the delay during interrogation, so they yanked him out of his car and broke his nose and dislocated his jaw by slamming him into the hood. They also miraculously "found" a baggie of crack in his car. Nevertheless, as outraged as he was, he was completely blown away by the immense percentage of blacks and other non-white Latinos in county lockup. The white Cuban Americans with him were equally dismayed. And they were all in the "good" part of the jail.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 13, 2015, 10:25:46 pm
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/k54eaa.jpg)

Do you have any sense of proportion?  Like, at all?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on December 13, 2015, 11:04:11 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 13, 2015, 10:25:46 pm
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/k54eaa.jpg)

They're not the same! Killing living creatures is far worse than enslaving them!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 14, 2015, 12:48:37 am
call me stupid, but... if you own slaves in the first place, why would you hang them? wouldn't that result in a clear loss of profit?

also, *shudders* militant vegans... gross.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 08:35:35 am
Just for once, I'd like to meet a vegan that doesn't jump up your ass for eating meat.  You know, like how there are sensible vegetarians.  Then again, I guess vegans are fighting a losing battle against nutrient deficiency, so that's likely why they've got such massive sticks up their asses.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2015, 10:30:28 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 08:35:35 am
Just for once, I'd like to meet a vegan that doesn't jump up your ass for eating meat.  You know, like how there are sensible vegetarians.  Then again, I guess vegans are fighting a losing battle against nutrient deficiency, so that's likely why they've got such massive sticks up their asses.

...do you check every person you meet for their meat-eating habits? It seems fairly likely that if you met a vegan that doesn't "jump up your ass for eating meat" they might not mention being vegan. Selection biases and so forth.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 14, 2015, 03:56:37 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/1ttHcS9.png)

You can't use that gender that's our gender!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on December 14, 2015, 04:15:26 pm
what is aporogender anyway and how can what you think you are be appropriative of someone else.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 04:47:56 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2015, 10:30:28 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 08:35:35 am
Just for once, I'd like to meet a vegan that doesn't jump up your ass for eating meat.  You know, like how there are sensible vegetarians.  Then again, I guess vegans are fighting a losing battle against nutrient deficiency, so that's likely why they've got such massive sticks up their asses.

...do you check every person you meet for their meat-eating habits? It seems fairly likely that if you met a vegan that doesn't "jump up your ass for eating meat" they might not mention being vegan. Selection biases and so forth.

Its pretty obvious the first few times you eat with a person (even if its in a cafeteria or something) where they lean on that particular scale.  The ones you see eating lettuce sandwiches with vegannaise and crap are usually the ones that exude an aura of pomposity so thick, you could cut it with a knife.  Got that look of scornful disdain whenever they see anyone eat anything that's got meat and/or cheese (real cheese, not that imitation garbage) and all that jazz.  There's the possibility that I've seen vegans that aren't assholes and I just missed them...my brain tends to filter out most people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on December 14, 2015, 05:25:34 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 04:47:56 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2015, 10:30:28 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 08:35:35 am
Just for once, I'd like to meet a vegan that doesn't jump up your ass for eating meat.  You know, like how there are sensible vegetarians.  Then again, I guess vegans are fighting a losing battle against nutrient deficiency, so that's likely why they've got such massive sticks up their asses.

...do you check every person you meet for their meat-eating habits? It seems fairly likely that if you met a vegan that doesn't "jump up your ass for eating meat" they might not mention being vegan. Selection biases and so forth.

Its pretty obvious the first few times you eat with a person (even if its in a cafeteria or something) where they lean on that particular scale.  The ones you see eating lettuce sandwiches with vegannaise and crap are usually the ones that exude an aura of pomposity so thick, you could cut it with a knife.  Got that look of scornful disdain whenever they see anyone eat anything that's got meat and/or cheese (real cheese, not that imitation garbage) and all that jazz.  There's the possibility that I've seen vegans that aren't assholes and I just missed them...my brain tends to filter out most people.

You've been counting the hits and ignoring the misses. I bet you rub shoulders with quite a lot of vegans who live and let live.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 05:34:15 pm
To exist is to predate, unless you're living off a purely synthetic diet (which I think would either be impossible or severely detrimental). That apple you're eating? Another animal could've eaten it. Those crops? The farmland was cut into the homes of other animals. You want to eat vegan? Fine. But do not pretend you're above the cycle. Do not pretend you're above the rest of us because you never see the exploited animals in your ledger.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 05:38:46 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on December 14, 2015, 05:25:34 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 04:47:56 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2015, 10:30:28 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 08:35:35 am
Just for once, I'd like to meet a vegan that doesn't jump up your ass for eating meat.  You know, like how there are sensible vegetarians.  Then again, I guess vegans are fighting a losing battle against nutrient deficiency, so that's likely why they've got such massive sticks up their asses.

...do you check every person you meet for their meat-eating habits? It seems fairly likely that if you met a vegan that doesn't "jump up your ass for eating meat" they might not mention being vegan. Selection biases and so forth.

Its pretty obvious the first few times you eat with a person (even if its in a cafeteria or something) where they lean on that particular scale.  The ones you see eating lettuce sandwiches with vegannaise and crap are usually the ones that exude an aura of pomposity so thick, you could cut it with a knife.  Got that look of scornful disdain whenever they see anyone eat anything that's got meat and/or cheese (real cheese, not that imitation garbage) and all that jazz.  There's the possibility that I've seen vegans that aren't assholes and I just missed them...my brain tends to filter out most people.

You've been counting the hits and ignoring the misses. I bet you rub shoulders with quite a lot of vegans who live and let live.


Tis entirely possible.  Not to sound like a dick, but I ignore most people because I know that the average person has next to no direct effect on my life, so there's no point in wasting energy thinking about them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 14, 2015, 06:06:06 pm
i have no problem with any diet, so long as you're not a dick about it.

vegetarians? no biggie. pescatarians? well, i don't like fish, so they can have my share of the stuff. pure carnivores? ok, fine, but don't ask me to follow, i love vegetables too much for that.

vegans? well, they're a bitch to cook for, but if they're not militant about it (ie: "meat is murder" types), go ahead. your body, your rules.

my real only gripe is people who won't try a food because it grosses them out (or they find the animal "cute"). because of that, i didn't try rabbit until my early 20's, because my sister found them too fluffy and cute. and man oh man was i ever missing out. baste the sucker in mustard seeds and and some garlic, you've got an easy feast!

oh, and for the best french fries ever, throw unpeeled spuds in duck fat. totally worth the cancer and cholesterol. only way i got a squeamish american friend to try them out was to hide that detail from him.

i may be a picky eater, but i will try everything at least once, so long as it's not shellfish (allergies). gator tasted foul, but i'm still waiting for the opportunity to try snake and turtle.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 06:11:14 pm
Shark's pretty good, if a bit tough and gamy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on December 14, 2015, 06:31:17 pm
Quote from: davedan on December 14, 2015, 04:15:26 pm
what is aporogender anyway and how can what you think you are be appropriative of someone else.

It's appropriative because it doesn't make them feel special enough.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on December 14, 2015, 07:17:56 pm
The cultural appropriation people seem to love segregation almost as much as the racists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 07:35:24 pm
Okay, no. There's a world of difference between "if you're going to use something part of another culture, do your research, listen to the people of that culture and make sure you're not actually blaspheming on something that's sacred and integral to them" and "all cultures need to literally be segregated all of the time".

And the picture itself is not something I'll comment on.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 14, 2015, 07:46:19 pm
Quote from: davedan on December 14, 2015, 04:15:26 pm
what is aporogender anyway and how can what you think you are be appropriative of someone else.

Aporagender is one of the about twelve billion different-but-essentially-equivalent ways of saying nonbinary. I assume the appropriation argument is that there's some weird context in who came up with the word and why and if you choose to use that word (and not one of the twelve billion alternatives) you are taking sides on some battlefront of the culture war.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 14, 2015, 08:03:13 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 05:34:15 pm
To exist is to predate, unless you're living off a purely synthetic diet (which I think would either be impossible or severely detrimental). That apple you're eating? Another animal could've eaten it. Those crops? The farmland was cut into the homes of other animals. You want to eat vegan? Fine. But do not pretend you're above the cycle. Do not pretend you're above the rest of us because you never see the exploited animals in your ledger.

I'm honestly surprised to see you adopting this attitude. I dunno why, I just... am.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on December 14, 2015, 08:06:43 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 07:35:24 pm
Okay, no. There's a world of difference between "if you're going to use something part of another culture, do your research, listen to the people of that culture and make sure you're not actually blaspheming on something that's sacred and integral to them" and "all cultures need to literally be segregated all of the time".

And the picture itself is not something I'll comment on.

Except using something disrespectfully isn't appropriation of the culture. It might be abuse or it might be careless but it isn't actually appropriation. To give an example, as a man I am allowed to play a didgeridoo. When I do it that may well be cultural appropriation. However you won't find any Murri/Koori or any other indigenous Australians upset at me for doing so. However if a woman does they will be upset. Because didgeridoos are instruments for men and it's forbidden for women to play them. The insensitivity is not in the playing but who is playing it. That is what amounts to the sacrilege.

A far worse form of cultural appropriation one which is bad is getting British and European backpackers to manufacture didgeridoos using power tools and flog them off for profit. But that is not the sort of thing we see people who get excited about this complaining about. They seem more obsessed with whether non japanese people should be able to wear Kimonos or non-hispanic people can eat guacamole.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on December 14, 2015, 08:16:21 pm
Quote from: guizonde on December 14, 2015, 06:06:06 pm
i have no problem with any diet, so long as you're not a dick about it.

vegetarians? no biggie. pescatarians? well, i don't like fish, so they can have my share of the stuff. pure carnivores? ok, fine, but don't ask me to follow, i love vegetables too much for that.

vegans? well, they're a bitch to cook for, but if they're not militant about it (ie: "meat is murder" types), go ahead. your body, your rules.

my real only gripe is people who won't try a food because it grosses them out (or they find the animal "cute"). because of that, i didn't try rabbit until my early 20's, because my sister found them too fluffy and cute. and man oh man was i ever missing out. baste the sucker in mustard seeds and and some garlic, you've got an easy feast!

oh, and for the best french fries ever, throw unpeeled spuds in duck fat. totally worth the cancer and cholesterol. only way i got a squeamish american friend to try them out was to hide that detail from him.

i may be a picky eater, but i will try everything at least once, so long as it's not shellfish (allergies). gator tasted foul, but i'm still waiting for the opportunity to try snake and turtle.
Shark is tasty, elk and bison are some of the best meats out there, and I'm eager to try horse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on December 14, 2015, 08:21:26 pm
Bison is delicious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 08:24:01 pm
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Except using something disrespectfully isn't appropriation of the culture. It might be abuse or it might be careless but it isn't actually appropriation. To give an example, as a man I am allowed to play a didgeridoo. When I do it that may well be cultural appropriation. However you won't find any Murri/Koori or any other indigenous Australians upset at me for doing so. However if a woman does they will be upset. Because didgeridoos are instruments for men and it's forbidden for women to play them. The insensitivity is not in the playing but who is playing it. That is what amounts to the sacrilege.

A far worse form of cultural appropriation one which is bad is getting British and European backpackers to manufacture didgeridoos using power tools and flog them off for profit. But that is not the sort of thing we see people who get excited about this complaining about. They seem more obsessed with whether non japanese people should be able to wear Kimonos or non-hispanic people can eat guacamole.

I can see what you're going at (but if someone non-Aboriginal used the didgeridoo like "hey look at this wacky instrument, aren't those indigenous people weird and exotic", they'd still be a bellend) and I haven't seen anyone talk about that backpacker thing (even though that doesn't necessarily mean that discourse about it doesn't exist).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on December 14, 2015, 08:31:07 pm
Yeah but you're not being a bellend for adopting the culture but because you are being a knob. That's my whole point about the backpacker thing, its people exploiting the indigenous culture for profit while at the same time excluding members of the culture from profit. That's actually a bad thing. Unlike wanting to eat kim-chi.

The fact that we hear more about that sort of stuff and how you shouldn't date people outside of your culture (or from a less privileged background) always strikes me as segregationist. Different motives from racists. Same outcome.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 08:36:24 pm
Okay, I'm pretty sure the "don't eat foreign foods ever or you're an evil appropriator" crowd is mostly either trolls or strawmen, because that just sounds to me like someone saw people talking about cultural appropriation and went "this is completely unreasonable, let's mock them". I dunno, sounds like an exaggeration to me. Of course, if people are legit saying this, I disagree with it.

And from what I can tell, utilizing cultural elements for fun&profit while deriding the group that spawned it would still include our hypothetical bellend into the concept of cultural appropriation, because they're adopting the culture wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 14, 2015, 08:36:49 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 08:24:01 pm
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Except using something disrespectfully isn't appropriation of the culture. It might be abuse or it might be careless but it isn't actually appropriation. To give an example, as a man I am allowed to play a didgeridoo. When I do it that may well be cultural appropriation. However you won't find any Murri/Koori or any other indigenous Australians upset at me for doing so. However if a woman does they will be upset. Because didgeridoos are instruments for men and it's forbidden for women to play them. The insensitivity is not in the playing but who is playing it. That is what amounts to the sacrilege.

A far worse form of cultural appropriation one which is bad is getting British and European backpackers to manufacture didgeridoos using power tools and flog them off for profit. But that is not the sort of thing we see people who get excited about this complaining about. They seem more obsessed with whether non japanese people should be able to wear Kimonos or non-hispanic people can eat guacamole.

I can see what you're going at (but if someone non-Aboriginal used the didgeridoo like "hey look at this wacky instrument, aren't those indigenous people weird and exotic", they'd still be a bellend) and I haven't seen anyone talk about that backpacker thing (even though that doesn't necessarily mean that discourse about it doesn't exist).

my friend inherited a didjeridoo from his dad. know what he uses it for? recording bass drops when he mixes trance music. you know, playing actual music with it. i don't think it's cultural appropriation. he was inspired by this band that would make most sjw's flip their lid. parisians using didjeridoos, derbukas, djembe's, sitars, and oriental scales to make trance music? blasphemy.
fuck it. it sounds good, they've got a hell of a level. the more i read about it, the more i deem cultural appropriation the natural order of things, and the more i find "cultural appropriation police" the true racists. it's basic segregation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04NvXjNnJfE
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 08:39:29 pm
Yeah, but your dad isn't playing music while exocitizing, fetishizing or being racist or mocking towards aboriginals. No one's saying that you can't use things from other cultures ever in any context, they're saying do it with respect. That was my initial point when I said there's a difference between opposing cultural appropriation and being for cultural segregation.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 14, 2015, 08:46:21 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 08:39:29 pm
Yeah, but your dad isn't playing music while exocitizing, fetishizing or being racist or mocking towards aboriginals. No one's saying that you can't use things from other cultures ever in any context, they're saying do it with respect. That was my initial point when I said there's a difference between opposing cultural appropriation and being for cultural segregation.

friend. neither me nor my dad can play a didje to save our life. aside from that, i agree with you.

... on the other hand, some people have viewed listening to this music as cultural appropriation. and there is something wrong with that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 09:01:10 pm
Automatically? Yeah, I don't think it is either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on December 14, 2015, 09:16:41 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 05:34:15 pm
To exist is to predate, unless you're living off a purely synthetic diet (which I think would either be impossible or severely detrimental). That apple you're eating? Another animal could've eaten it. Those crops? The farmland was cut into the homes of other animals. You want to eat vegan? Fine. But do not pretend you're above the cycle. Do not pretend you're above the rest of us because you never see the exploited animals in your ledger.

Plus, even vegetables are, essentially, dead organisms.  You can't eat without killing something.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 14, 2015, 09:26:22 pm
Personally, I think all of this "cultural appropriation" business is a load of nonsense. If a thing is sacred to one group, that's their prerogative. However, it's completely unreasonable to expect everyone else to treat it with the same reverence essentially just to spare their feelings. As long as that group aren't having their sacred objects or customs taken away from them, then there's nothing wrong with outsiders using copies as they see fit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on December 14, 2015, 09:27:46 pm
Quote from: TheL on December 14, 2015, 09:16:41 pm
Plus, even vegetables are, essentially, dead organisms.  You can't eat without killing something.
Unless you're a breatharian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on December 14, 2015, 09:37:47 pm
I have to agree with Art here. The example I would use is this. A skeleton called Kennewick Man was discovered in Washington, and a local tribe wanted to have the remains buried in accordance with their traditions. That would have been the wrong decision, as the scientific value of the remains is far greater. Culture does not trump the advancement of knowledge, and I have always believed, in the most literal snese, that nothing is sacred.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 14, 2015, 10:30:47 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on December 14, 2015, 09:37:47 pm
I have to agree with Art here. The example I would use is this. A skeleton called Kennewick Man was discovered in Washington, and a local tribe wanted to have the remains buried in accordance with their traditions. That would have been the wrong decision, as the scientific value of the remains is far greater. Culture does not trump the advancement of knowledge, and I have always believed, in the most literal snese, that nothing is sacred.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man
So you want to have your value of the advancement of knowledge (even if said knowledge provides no real benefit) should be held above the value of respecting the dead held by that tribe.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on December 14, 2015, 10:34:39 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 14, 2015, 10:38:53 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 14, 2015, 10:30:47 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on December 14, 2015, 09:37:47 pm
I have to agree with Art here. The example I would use is this. A skeleton called Kennewick Man was discovered in Washington, and a local tribe wanted to have the remains buried in accordance with their traditions. That would have been the wrong decision, as the scientific value of the remains is far greater. Culture does not trump the advancement of knowledge, and I have always believed, in the most literal snese, that nothing is sacred.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man
So you want to have your value of the advancement of knowledge (even if said knowledge provides no real benefit) should be held above the value of respecting the dead held by that tribe.
"No real benefit", huh? So I take it you actually have the necessary background knowledge in archaeology, anthropology and other relevant fields to make such a bold claim, and are not at all just some layman who has no idea what he's talking about, yes?

Even if you're correct, though, I would argue any knowledge, much less knowledge that furthers our understanding of ancient history to be far more valuable than humouring someone's psuedo-spiritual beliefs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 14, 2015, 11:01:06 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 14, 2015, 10:38:53 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 14, 2015, 10:30:47 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on December 14, 2015, 09:37:47 pm
I have to agree with Art here. The example I would use is this. A skeleton called Kennewick Man was discovered in Washington, and a local tribe wanted to have the remains buried in accordance with their traditions. That would have been the wrong decision, as the scientific value of the remains is far greater. Culture does not trump the advancement of knowledge, and I have always believed, in the most literal snese, that nothing is sacred.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man
So you want to have your value of the advancement of knowledge (even if said knowledge provides no real benefit) should be held above the value of respecting the dead held by that tribe.
"No real benefit", huh? So I take it you actually have the necessary background knowledge in archaeology, anthropology and other relevant fields to make such a bold claim, and are not at all just some layman who has no idea what he's talking about, yes?
The emperor has no clothes huh? I take it you have the knowledge of fabric, sewing, and fashion to make such a bold claim.

If you can provide me with evidence studying the skeleton will provide practical benefit to people I will concede keeping the skeleton was the right thing.

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Even if you're correct, though, I would argue any knowledge, much less knowledge that furthers our understanding of ancient history to be far more valuable than humouring someone's psuedo-spiritual beliefs.
Why? Explain why your arbitrary beliefs and values are different than theirs.


http://www.ohio.edu/people/thompsoc/Body.html
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 14, 2015, 11:17:49 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 14, 2015, 11:01:06 pm
The emperor has no clothes huh? I take it you have the knowledge of fabric, sewing, and fashion to make such a bold claim.

If you can provide me with evidence studying the skeleton will provide practical benefit to people I will concede keeping the skeleton was the right thing.
From the Wiki article.
Quote from: Wikington
The discovery of the Kennewick Man, along with other ancient skeletons, has furthered scientific debate over the exact origin and history of early Native American people.[15] One hypothesis holds that a single source of migration occurred, consisting of hunters and gatherers following large herds of game who wandered across the Bering land bridge. An alternative hypothesis is that more than one source population was involved in migration immediately following the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) that occurred ~22k to ~18k years BP, and that the land migration through Beringia was preceded by, or roughly synchronous with, a waterborne migration from coastal Asia.[34] The similarity of some ancient skeletal remains in the Americas, such as Kennewick Man, to coastal Asian phenotypes is suggestive of more than one migration source.[2][15][24][35] Classification of DNA from ancient skeletons such as Kennewick Man and others of similar phenotype may or may not reveal genetic affiliation between them, with either Beringian[36][37] or coastal Asian[38][39] source populations.

Regardless of the debate over there being one or more than one source of migration following the LGM, the Kennewick Man has yielded insight into the marine lifestyle and mobility of early coastal migrants.[29]
Quite useful, scientifically speaking.
Quote from: I am lizard on December 14, 2015, 11:01:06 pm
Why? Explain why your arbitrary beliefs and values are different than theirs.
So basically, you want to compare the tangible benefits of science vs clinging to the remnants of a dead culture? Is this really something that needs to be explained in depth to you?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 14, 2015, 11:29:06 pm
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So basically, you want to compare the tangible benefits of science vs clinging to the remnants of a dead culture? Is this really something that needs to be explained in depth to you?
I'm not talking about science with tangible benifits, I'm talking about discovery for discoveries sake.

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Quite useful, scientifically speaking.
So no real practical value?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 11:30:24 pm
Just because something has no immediately tangible value doesn't mean its useless.  Look at most of quantum physics.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 14, 2015, 11:42:41 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 11:30:24 pm
Just because something has no immediately tangible value doesn't mean its useless.  Look at most of quantum physics.
Yes, but calculating gluon wave function doesn't infringe on the rights of a group that's been shat on for the past 500 years.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 14, 2015, 11:49:36 pm
*posts something to unsubtly change subject*
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Why are queer people significantly less problematic and dramatic than gay people??? What is it about monosexuality that drives people off their fucking rockers?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 11:52:01 pm
Ah, monosexuality. That age-old alliance between gay people and straight people.

Seriously though, although lateral aggressions are a thing and gay people are still capable of biphobia, "monosexuality" can die in the same fire as "straight-acting".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 14, 2015, 11:53:26 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 14, 2015, 11:29:06 pm
So no real practical value?
So by "practical value", you mean immediately useful in your day to day life? In that case, would you support tearing down all publicly funded museums? After all, it's of no practical value to anyone, those tax dollars could be better spent on other things, yes?

Or to use your logic, what is the practical value of as a society going out of our way to validate a miniscule group's psuedo-religious beliefs?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 15, 2015, 12:08:42 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 14, 2015, 11:53:26 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 14, 2015, 11:29:06 pm
So no real practical value?
So by "practical value", you mean immediately useful in your day to day life? In that case, would you support tearing down all publicly funded museums? After all, it's of no practical value to anyone, those tax dollars could be better spent on other things, yes?

Or to use your logic, what is the practical value of as a society going out of our way to validate a miniscule group's psuedo-religious beliefs?
My argument isn't that we shouldn't bother with things that don't have practical value, my argument is we shouldn't do so if it infringes on a groups rights.

Edit: natives have been shit on for the past 500+ years, could we at least give them this?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 15, 2015, 12:22:59 am
Quote from: I am lizard on December 15, 2015, 12:08:42 am
My argument isn't that we shouldn't bother with things that don't have practical value, my argument is we shouldn't do so if it infringes on a groups rights.
Rights? What, the right to have their beliefs validated by everyone else? I'm pretty sure that's not a right anybody has or should ever have.
Quote from: I am lizard on December 15, 2015, 12:08:42 am
Edit: natives have been shit on for the past 500+ years, could we at least give them this?
In short, no. Giving up something as rare and scientifically valuable as a near complete prehistoric human fossil just to validate someone's psuedo-spiritual beliefs is pants on head stupid. While it's unfortunate that they've been treated so poorly in the past, that doesn't give them any more right to have whatever woo they believe validated by the rest of society as anyone else.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on December 15, 2015, 12:27:56 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 15, 2015, 12:22:59 am
Rights? What, the right to have their beliefs validated by everyone else? I'm pretty sure that's not a right anybody has or should ever have.

Property rights.

It's not a question of agreeing with them. It's a question of taking something (a corpse, in this case) that belongs to them. Without a very compelling reason, they should be allowed to do whatever they want with it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 15, 2015, 12:42:47 am
Quote from: pyro on December 15, 2015, 12:27:56 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 15, 2015, 12:22:59 am
Rights? What, the right to have their beliefs validated by everyone else? I'm pretty sure that's not a right anybody has or should ever have.

Property rights.

It's not a question of agreeing with them. It's a question of taking something (a corpse, in this case) that belongs to them. Without a very compelling reason, they should be allowed to do whatever they want with it.

That Fossil is actually the property of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, not any native tribe. The natives were trying to claim it under the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act, but that failed because the skeleton could not be positively linked to any modern tribe, and as such the scientists' claim took precedence.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on December 15, 2015, 12:48:50 am
Wow, didn't think I'd start something like this. I suppose the Native American connected example fueled things. I brought that up as the example because I first learned about it in my Native American history class, and was utterly bemused that anyone rational would think that respecting a "spiritual belief" was more important than the advancement of learning. I should emphasize that applies to all cultures and beliefs; Ethiopian, Italian, Chinese, Maori, English, etc..
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on December 15, 2015, 03:35:03 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 14, 2015, 11:30:24 pm
Just because something has no immediately tangible value doesn't mean its useless.  Look at most of quantum physics.

I see your "most of quantum physics" and raise you "all of pure mathematics." Hardy would shit himself if he knew that number theory was the key to secure online financial transactions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 15, 2015, 04:55:10 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 14, 2015, 08:03:13 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 14, 2015, 05:34:15 pm
To exist is to predate, unless you're living off a purely synthetic diet (which I think would either be impossible or severely detrimental). That apple you're eating? Another animal could've eaten it. Those crops? The farmland was cut into the homes of other animals. You want to eat vegan? Fine. But do not pretend you're above the cycle. Do not pretend you're above the rest of us because you never see the exploited animals in your ledger.

I'm honestly surprised to see you adopting this attitude. I dunno why, I just... am.

I've had it for a while, now. What can I say? I'm full of surprises.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheContrarian on December 15, 2015, 06:43:02 am
Quote from: pyro on December 15, 2015, 12:27:56 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 15, 2015, 12:22:59 am
Rights? What, the right to have their beliefs validated by everyone else? I'm pretty sure that's not a right anybody has or should ever have.

Property rights.

It's not a question of agreeing with them. It's a question of taking something (a corpse, in this case) that belongs to them. Without a very compelling reason, they should be allowed to do whatever they want with it.

Property is theft.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 15, 2015, 10:32:23 am
Lizard, the skeleton is 9 thousand years old, and archeologists and ethnologists, including Native American archeologists and ethnologists, can safely assert that the chances this particular individual is a direct ancestor is just about nil. American tribes moved and blended and moved again constantly throughout prehistory. If the skeleton could be magically fleshed out and animated, he wouldn't care about or know about or relate to the modern tribe at all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheContrarian on December 15, 2015, 10:52:29 am
Quote from: I am lizard on December 15, 2015, 10:25:14 am
Ok, I have an idea.
How about the Scientists keep the skeleton, but hand s massive payment to the tribe.

Trade for it with some blankets...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on December 15, 2015, 11:51:25 am
Quote from: TheContrarian on December 15, 2015, 10:52:29 am
Quote from: I am lizard on December 15, 2015, 10:25:14 am
Ok, I have an idea.
How about the Scientists keep the skeleton, but hand s massive payment to the tribe.

Trade for it with some blankets...

That made me laugh. But there are other ways to "pay" for the skeleton, ways where both "sides" can hold their heads up in pride. Allow the scientists to do their thing but have a holy man there to make sure everything is on the level?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 15, 2015, 12:26:20 pm
Quote from: pyro on December 14, 2015, 09:27:46 pm
Quote from: TheL on December 14, 2015, 09:16:41 pm
Plus, even vegetables are, essentially, dead organisms.  You can't eat without killing something.
Unless you're a breatharian.

Won't someone please think of the O2 molecules!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on December 15, 2015, 12:46:03 pm
I agree that if the ethnic group in question is still around, you should be super-careful not to step on toes WRT burial sites.

But, for example, there have been NO ethnic Ancient Egyptians since the early Muslims essentially wiped them out.  King Tut has NO descendants to complain about his post-exhumation treatment, really.


As long as you're respectful in treatment of the remains (I'm thinking of idiot Victorians who had mummy-unwrapping parties for kicks, and that sort of thing), remains from peoples without descendants can and should be examined without any real issues.

And if the descendants ARE still around, I'd say take small samples, X-rays, and other things that can be done without causing major damage, and once you've got small amounts of "dead guy" to experiment on, sure, why not let them re-bury the body?  Science benefits, the people feel connected to their ancestors, everybody wins!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on December 15, 2015, 01:38:58 pm
Quote from: TheContrarian on December 15, 2015, 06:43:02 am
Property is theft.

Ha ha.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 16, 2015, 12:21:29 am
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/88b747c541a25dd22c4e6226488f8a1c/tumblr_nzf3jsxTcO1uis0rbo1_540.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on December 16, 2015, 12:56:11 am
Well he's not wrong about anarchists being wankers
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on December 16, 2015, 12:56:19 am
Dude, I'm actually a fan of Lenin, flawed as he was, but that's just ludicrous. Lenin was a communist, not merely a socialist, which existed long before his, and the experiment failed as soon as Stalin took over. This is nothing more than preaching a faith, not arguing a point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 16, 2015, 01:03:49 am
"the poor and unwashed"... I'm pretty sure the writer's taking the piss.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 16, 2015, 08:47:47 am
Quote from: davedan on December 16, 2015, 12:56:11 am
Well he's not wrong about anarchists being wankers

i should take offense to that, but people who call themselves old-school political anarchists are of the bomb throwing kind. i'm surprised the op didn't mention the black hand, who was the spark that ignited the powder keg of europe in 1914. you know, fraggin' franz ferdinand?

also, most of these achievements came from the enlightenment, not lenin. but, hey, we've got a socialist droid here. can't expect critical thinking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 16, 2015, 09:15:47 am
Finland has a group of Anarchists that like to cause trouble and damages in every single protest.

People protesting against the government? Anarchists: "Let's help them by breaking windows, that should get some public support for them."

Neo-Nazis having a protest and trying to make themselves look like patriots? Anarchists: "Let's go throw rocks at the police so that people forget all the Nazi stuff and everyone who opposed the Nazies will be put in the same group with us and Nazies will be remembered as peaceful protesters and innocent victims!"

"Yay! We are helping!"

Honestly, they just look for reasons to riot and the only people they are helping are the ones they supposedly oppose.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 16, 2015, 09:49:08 am
Finns trying to draw attention to themselves? am I in an alternate universe?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 16, 2015, 10:35:38 am
Quote from: lord gibbon on December 16, 2015, 12:56:19 am
Dude, I'm actually a fan of Lenin, flawed as he was, but that's just ludicrous. Lenin was a communist, not merely a socialist, which existed long before his, and the experiment failed as soon as Stalin took over. This is nothing more than preaching a faith, not arguing a point.

Aye.  Makes me wonder what would've become of Russia had Lenin not died when he did and he'd succeeded in keeping Stalin as far away from real power as possible.  Even sadder when you consider that its likely that Lenin quite literally worked himself to death.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 16, 2015, 11:42:19 am
"Oh, yeah - actually abolishing capitalism."

I'm guessing they've never heard of the New Economic Policy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 16, 2015, 11:14:04 pm
Quote from: guizonde on December 16, 2015, 08:47:47 am
Quote from: davedan on December 16, 2015, 12:56:11 am
Well he's not wrong about anarchists being wankers

i should take offense to that, but people who call themselves old-school political anarchists are of the bomb throwing kind. i'm surprised the op didn't mention the black hand, who was the spark that ignited the powder keg of europe in 1914. you know, fraggin' franz ferdinand?

also, most of these achievements came from the enlightenment, not lenin. but, hey, we've got a socialist droid here. can't expect critical thinking.
Aren't old-school anarchists mostly anarcho-syndicalists ?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 17, 2015, 12:05:25 am
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2cqd2ee.jpg)

...Jesus Christ, where do I begin?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on December 17, 2015, 12:10:58 am
Quote from: Askold on December 16, 2015, 09:15:47 am
Finland has a group of Anarchists that like to cause trouble and damages in every single protest.

People protesting against the government? Anarchists: "Let's help them by breaking windows, that should get some public support for them."

Neo-Nazis having a protest and trying to make themselves look like patriots? Anarchists: "Let's go throw rocks at the police so that people forget all the Nazi stuff and everyone who opposed the Nazies will be put in the same group with us and Nazies will be remembered as peaceful protesters and innocent victims!"

"Yay! We are helping!"

Honestly, they just look for reasons to riot and the only people they are helping are the ones they supposedly oppose.

From a different perspective, authorities sure have an easy time discrediting politicial movements. All they have to do is plant a few agents who start breaking shit and public opinion is easily swayed against the movement as a whole.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 17, 2015, 12:30:44 am
Context, UP?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 17, 2015, 09:03:36 am
Context: "Somebody said Japanese culture is bigoted against non-Japanese. Even though it is a virtually a non-integrated country. With a multitude of examples of cultural bias against non-Japanese. I am owning this shit lord with my Ninja Assassin pseudo sociopolitical whargarble because I am a sixteen year old white American Trans-Japanese. My pronouns are: Shut, The, Fuck, Upself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 17, 2015, 09:20:23 am
Yeaaah, Japan's xenophobia problem is arguably worse than America's.  Most folks here appear to, at the very least, grudgingly accept minorities.  There, you're screwed if you aren't Japanese, unless you wanna be a trophy cracker.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 17, 2015, 09:24:58 am
Quote from: Ironchew on December 17, 2015, 12:10:58 am
From a different perspective, authorities sure have an easy time discrediting politicial movements. All they have to do is plant a few agents who start breaking shit and public opinion is easily swayed against the movement as a whole.

There are a lot of incidents like that in history, but I have not heard convincing evidence of that being the case in these particular incidents.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 17, 2015, 09:49:31 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 17, 2015, 09:20:23 am
Yeaaah, Japan's xenophobia problem is arguably worse than America's.  Most folks here appear to, at the very least, grudgingly accept minorities.  There, you're screwed if you aren't Japanese, unless you wanna be a trophy cracker.

Do I get paid? I don't mind degradation if I get to do nothing and get paid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 17, 2015, 09:58:02 am
But you gotta do nothing while wearing only a stars-n-stripes cowboy hat, rhinestone western boots, and star-spangled banner briefs. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 17, 2015, 10:02:33 am
Ya do get paid, but only in Yen.  Paid for looking white and successful, basically.  You'll likely have to learn Japanese, though, and that's a LOT easier said than done...unless you already know it, in which case, have fun, I suppose.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 17, 2015, 11:33:50 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on December 17, 2015, 09:49:31 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 17, 2015, 09:20:23 am
Yeaaah, Japan's xenophobia problem is arguably worse than America's.  Most folks here appear to, at the very least, grudgingly accept minorities.  There, you're screwed if you aren't Japanese, unless you wanna be a trophy cracker.

Do I get paid? I don't mind degradation if I get to do nothing and get paid.
They sometimes offer jobs to foreigners but it's really just a trap to kill and eat weebs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on December 17, 2015, 09:25:10 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.
Don't they taste like Ramen, pocky, and bad life decisions?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on December 17, 2015, 10:39:30 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 17, 2015, 09:25:10 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.
Don't they taste like Ramen, pocky, and bad life decisions?
Not all. I, for instance, taste like hair.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 18, 2015, 10:13:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.

So...you're famous for achieving nothing?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 18, 2015, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 18, 2015, 10:13:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.

So...you're famous for achieving nothing?

u wot m8 imma fuckin 420 noscope you
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 18, 2015, 07:38:46 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 18, 2015, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 18, 2015, 10:13:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.

So...you're famous for achieving nothing?

u wot m8 imma fuckin 420 noscope you

Remember, just say no to drugs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on December 18, 2015, 08:52:35 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 18, 2015, 07:38:46 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 18, 2015, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 18, 2015, 10:13:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.

So...you're famous for achieving nothing?

u wot m8 imma fuckin 420 noscope you

Remember, just say no to drugs.

I'm on a drug called Niam2023, you can't handle it you'd die and your head would explode and send fireworks everywhere.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on December 19, 2015, 11:42:17 am
I dunno. Keith Richards said Naim 2023 was one of the weaker drugs he's had.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 19, 2015, 04:01:30 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 18, 2015, 07:38:46 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 18, 2015, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 18, 2015, 10:13:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.

So...you're famous for achieving nothing?

u wot m8 imma fuckin 420 noscope you

Remember, just say no to drugs.

I bet you'll cowards don't even do crack.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 19, 2015, 04:51:39 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 19, 2015, 04:01:30 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 18, 2015, 07:38:46 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 18, 2015, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 18, 2015, 10:13:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.

So...you're famous for achieving nothing?

u wot m8 imma fuckin 420 noscope you

Remember, just say no to drugs.

I bet you'll cowards don't even do crack.

I bet you're the kind of person who smokes nutmeg
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on December 19, 2015, 05:16:26 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 19, 2015, 04:51:39 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 19, 2015, 04:01:30 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 18, 2015, 07:38:46 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 18, 2015, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 18, 2015, 10:13:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.

So...you're famous for achieving nothing?

u wot m8 imma fuckin 420 noscope you

Remember, just say no to drugs.

I bet you'll cowards don't even do crack.

I bet you're the kind of person who smokes nutmeg
Life is the best drug.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 19, 2015, 05:21:36 pm
Quote from: Askold on December 19, 2015, 05:16:26 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 19, 2015, 04:51:39 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 19, 2015, 04:01:30 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 18, 2015, 07:38:46 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 18, 2015, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 18, 2015, 10:13:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.

So...you're famous for achieving nothing?

u wot m8 imma fuckin 420 noscope you

Remember, just say no to drugs.

I bet you'll cowards don't even do crack.

I bet you're the kind of person who smokes nutmeg
Life is the best drug.

It's also the only one you can talk about freely online without fear of the government getting some sort of paper-trail that they could then use against you.

Life is good.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on December 19, 2015, 05:59:23 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 19, 2015, 05:21:36 pm
Quote from: Askold on December 19, 2015, 05:16:26 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 19, 2015, 04:51:39 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 19, 2015, 04:01:30 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 18, 2015, 07:38:46 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 18, 2015, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 18, 2015, 10:13:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.

So...you're famous for achieving nothing?

u wot m8 imma fuckin 420 noscope you

Remember, just say no to drugs.

I bet you'll cowards don't even do crack.

I bet you're the kind of person who smokes nutmeg
Life is the best drug.

It's also the only one you can talk about freely online without fear of the government getting some sort of paper-trail that they could then use against you.

Life is good.

Life is only the best drug if you've never shelved eccies.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 19, 2015, 06:21:09 pm
Quote from: davedan on December 19, 2015, 05:59:23 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 19, 2015, 05:21:36 pm
Quote from: Askold on December 19, 2015, 05:16:26 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 19, 2015, 04:51:39 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 19, 2015, 04:01:30 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 18, 2015, 07:38:46 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 18, 2015, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 18, 2015, 10:13:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.

So...you're famous for achieving nothing?

u wot m8 imma fuckin 420 noscope you

Remember, just say no to drugs.

I bet you'll cowards don't even do crack.

I bet you're the kind of person who smokes nutmeg
Life is the best drug.

It's also the only one you can talk about freely online without fear of the government getting some sort of paper-trail that they could then use against you.

Life is good.

Life is only the best drug if you've never shelved eccies.

Yeah, but for me the four hour feeling of indescribable joy is not worth the hangover.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on December 20, 2015, 11:01:07 am
Life itself is pretty good, but it's so expensive pure and dealers invariably adulterate it with caffeine.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 20, 2015, 01:10:44 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 19, 2015, 04:51:39 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 19, 2015, 04:01:30 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 18, 2015, 07:38:46 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 18, 2015, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 18, 2015, 10:13:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.

So...you're famous for achieving nothing?

u wot m8 imma fuckin 420 noscope you

Remember, just say no to drugs.

I bet you'll cowards don't even do crack.

I bet you're the kind of person who smokes nutmeg

No but now that you mentioned it I might as well give it a try  ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 20, 2015, 01:42:54 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 20, 2015, 01:10:44 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 19, 2015, 04:51:39 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 19, 2015, 04:01:30 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 18, 2015, 07:38:46 pm
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 18, 2015, 06:14:51 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on December 18, 2015, 10:13:45 am
Quote from: Dakota Bob on December 17, 2015, 07:38:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 17, 2015, 12:33:11 pm
Wait a minute. Killing and eating weebs is a job now? And all this time I've been doing it as a public service. Dammit!

Getting my anime hunter license was the best thing that ever happened, I'm crushing weebs like Boba Fett, yo.

So...you're famous for achieving nothing?

u wot m8 imma fuckin 420 noscope you

Remember, just say no to drugs.

I bet you'll cowards don't even do crack.

I bet you're the kind of person who smokes nutmeg

No but now that you mentioned it I might as well give it a try  ;D

watch out, keep a lot of water handy. that stuff gives you thirst headaches like you wouldn't believe. not as acrid on the throat as tea, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 21, 2015, 10:57:32 pm
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/3346y36.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on December 22, 2015, 08:55:30 am
Don't worry guys, once tumblerites sell enough of those "Male Tears" mugs then patriarchy will be destroyed and everything will be kittens and rainbows.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on December 22, 2015, 12:32:44 pm
Why the hell would anyone feeling depressed (whether clinical or just feeling blue) go to tumblr? That seems like the opposite of what you'd want to do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on December 22, 2015, 12:55:06 pm
Your Tumblr is highly customizable. I made one awhile back to see what it was like, and I just have silly Harry Potter comics that appear on my dashboard. I can tailor it to show me cross stitchings and cute baby animals if I want. It's not a big ball of radflakes invading everywhere. You can happily avoid them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 22, 2015, 08:35:43 pm
Quote from: rookie on December 22, 2015, 12:32:44 pm
Why the hell would anyone feeling depressed (whether clinical or just feeling blue) go to tumblr? That seems like the opposite of what you'd want to do.

A supportive community? Lots of people suffering from depression (and anxiety, and personality disorders, and various other mental health issues) are on Tumblr. Having someone who knows how it feels from the inside to talk to is nice.

(I mean, I tend to do that with anxiety, not depression, but it works for me)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 23, 2015, 09:38:23 am
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/34tbx1s.jpg)

Translation: "It's okay when we do it."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 23, 2015, 10:14:54 am
Another translation: "The male gaze is something beyond just 'finding women sexy'; it is a concept that negatively affects both the way that fiction depicts women and how women are perceived in society. It is, by definition, something enacted by men (it's in the name). You, a woman who are attracted to women, aren't perpetuating it by being into women."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 23, 2015, 10:43:00 am
I've gotten just about as creeped-out when another lesbian I'm not interested in has stared me down with lust-filled eyes. Mind you, it's been about twenty years since that last happened lol. The lust-filled look from a male can be and often is more intimidating mainly because that type of dude is usually a pathologically self-centered pig of an asshole, and/or very drunk and just not in control of himself (I would give a pass to a normal guy for being badly impaired). In most cases it tends to give a woman at least a mild to medium sense of actual physical danger, unless she's Rhonda Rousey or Holly Holm.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 23, 2015, 10:50:05 am
Not saying lesbians can't be creepy, just that the concept of "male gaze" is something that by definition can't apply to women.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 23, 2015, 11:07:21 am
Unwelcome sexual attention that is in intent and/or effect meant to be dominating or intimidating is wrong, regardless who is doing it. I would counter that it depends on the woman doing the staring. A hulking crazy looking woman "drooling" at you can be terrifying. I've gotten that stare before from an old school biker dyke. It wasn't pretty. And I imagine it would be even more intimidating for the woman being stared at if that woman is straight. The worst case I ever experienced by far was by a male when I was in a live music club. After I politely rebuffed him for the second time, he slapped me so hard I fell off my bar stool. Thankfully, the bartenders leaped over and hauled his ass outside for a little slap education session. Gotta love a good punk rock dive!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 23, 2015, 11:09:48 am
Yes. Lesbians can be creepy. I literally just said that.

That aside, fuck, the bars you go to are brutal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 23, 2015, 11:28:49 am
Went to, past tense. That was back in Atlanta. The place is still there and it's actually a great bar. They book awesome indie bands, serve excellent bar food, and the staff know exactly when and by how much to interfere if people are getting out of hand. It's called The EARL (East Atlanta Restaurant Lounge).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 23, 2015, 07:19:51 pm
Quote from: Even Then on December 23, 2015, 10:50:05 am
Not saying lesbians can't be creepy, just that the concept of "male gaze" is something that by definition can't apply to women.

Well, I mean, if you're going by original definition it doesn't apply to men either, it applies to film. The male gaze is the idea of a movie being shot  from the perspective of a (presumed heterosexual) man, hence lingering on women's breasts and such.

But the modern SJ use of the term adapts it to imply that there is a particular kind of gaze, predatory or objectifying or whatever, that happens when men (again, presumed straight) look at women. And the idea that this is "the male gaze" and not "the objectifier's gaze" or whatever is kinda toxic because it implies that all men look at women like that, and by splash damage that women who look at other women are doing Something Wrong.

This is not hypothetical, like, I've seen a bunch of discussions of women who say they felt terrible about realising they were attracted to girls because Attraction To Girls Is Predatory. And you get things like the OP, saying that "no, you don't count because you're girls" fighting against that meme, which is kind of dumb because the proper answer should be "no, there is nothing inherently wrong in being attracted to women and looking at them, regardless of your gender".

(and also I hate that sometimes the only way to say "stop shitting on men" to some SJ people is to say "hey you're hurting lesbians/trans women/black people as collateral damage" but that's not a discussion I'm in the mood for right now)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 23, 2015, 07:40:50 pm
The proper term for them is gay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 23, 2015, 07:48:48 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 23, 2015, 07:40:50 pm
The proper term for them is gay.

of course, you're thinking of "the gayze", and it's totally flattering for women, duh.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on December 24, 2015, 01:02:07 am
Yeah, fair enough. I guess I should've used a term other than "male gaze" because of its specific meaning, and not all male attraction to women is objectifying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on December 24, 2015, 10:20:40 pm
Found this bs:
Quote
Of course, if you're attacking Hillary Clinton for saying, "May the Force be with you," you're calling her a fake geek girl. Now, I expect this from the Bernie Bros, but if you're a female Sanders supporter, I have to ask, are you sure that's what you want to do?

How is calling some lame politician's attempt at "being cool" with the young folk, akin to calling her a "fake geek girl"?? She's more of a fake liberal if anything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 24, 2015, 10:26:58 pm
Quote from: nickiknack on December 24, 2015, 10:20:40 pm
Found this bs:
Quote
Of course, if you're attacking Hillary Clinton for saying, "May the Force be with you," you're calling her a fake geek girl. Now, I expect this from the Bernie Bros, but if you're a female Sanders supporter, I have to ask, are you sure that's what you want to do?

How is calling some lame politician's attempt at "being cool" with the young folk, akin to calling her a "fake geek girl"?? She's more of a fake liberal if anything.

nicki, she's a politician... "fake" is part of the job description.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on December 24, 2015, 10:39:17 pm
It just annoys me because there is this whole "You can't criticize Hillary because she has a vagina" bs going on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 24, 2015, 11:01:50 pm
Quote from: nickiknack on December 24, 2015, 10:39:17 pm
It just annoys me because there is this whole "You can't criticize Hillary because she has a vagina" bs going on.

this is gonna land me in hot water around here, but fuck people's private parts. if a woman is incompetent at a job, then she shouldn't be holding that job in the first place. not saying hillary is (completely) incompetent, but having fun bits is no reason for either holding office or not holding office. the important bit is being competent. and that's why i don't vote, because i don't see that happening anytime soon seeing the current pool. across three countries. fuck it, i'm posting in the confessions thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 25, 2015, 12:41:11 am
Don't see why you're afraid, Gui, you're right.  What people have between their legs doesn't matter.  At least, not to anyone with a brain between their ears.  Whether one is female or not is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is if they can do the job or not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 25, 2015, 02:14:31 am
Quote from: nickiknack on December 24, 2015, 10:20:40 pm
Found this bs:
Quote
Of course, if you're attacking Hillary Clinton for saying, "May the Force be with you," you're calling her a fake geek girl. Now, I expect this from the Bernie Bros, but if you're a female Sanders supporter, I have to ask, are you sure that's what you want to do?

How is calling some lame politician's attempt at "being cool" with the young folk, akin to calling her a "fake geek girl"?? She's more of a fake liberal if anything.

You know, this is the second time you brought this up, and I have something to say. As a female Star Wars fan who reads the book and knows her stuff, I think you're being unusually harsh because of political affiliations. What Hillary did was probably a once in a life time political moment in which we got to see a star wars movie release coincide with a political debate in which the closing line of the debate was Star Wars related, on point, hilarious, and got across with the audience. For better or worse, it was the best part of the third debate, as Bernie's "Damn emails" in the first and O'Malley's "Immigrant bashing carnival barker" of the second debate. It humanized Hillary in a real way.

And the other part of it that bothers me is that at least when Hillary made the reference, it was very well played and faithful to the meaning of the phrase "may the force be with you." In contrast, a few months ago, a certain politician made a t-shirt saying "Bernie Sanders, you're our only hope." A clear reference to Obi-Wan being requested in the original Star Wars film. Below the call for Bernie to save us, was Bernie in traditional beige jedi garb. The problem: Bernie was dressed as Luke. That doesn't make sense, if you're referencing Obi-Wan, why make it a totally different person when you could've just presented him as Obi-Wan?

Which bring me to my penultimate point, Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee, an 8-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of 2-foot-tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending an overly pragmatic politician, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit Hillary! The defense rests.

And finally, since none of this makes sense, we can only go with the politician that best represents us. The nonsensical politician is none other than Donald Trump. Look at him. He is a reality tv show host from a shitty series that is best known for the fact that he fired Gary Busey and he is the front runner of one of the two parties. It does not makes sense. More so to the point, he is a New England blue blood born with a silver spoon in his ass, and he is literally trying to buy the presidency for self-aggrandizement. And not only is his attempt so obvious, but people support him for at least being so honest as to say in debates that he has bought off Bernie and Hillary, as well as others on the debate stage. Because he can literally run without outside donations, he can literally run and say he is buying it by virtue of rephrasing his attempt as not being bought off. He's the most disgusting person in recent memory, and there is a chance that he might be our next president (and the alternate Ted Cruz is not much better*). It doesn't make sense!

All in all, this doesn't makes sense. Therefore, vote Donald Trump, because we can make America great again.

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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 25, 2015, 09:09:19 am
.......Queen for the love of god no.

Ironbite-just no.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 25, 2015, 09:27:18 am
Quote from: ironbite on December 25, 2015, 09:09:19 am
.......Queen for the love of god no.

Ironbite-just no.

Ibbles, all this negativity. You disappoint the Great Daniel Bryan. If he were here, he'd say, "Yes! Yes! Yes!" :p
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 25, 2015, 10:55:11 am
....*puts Queen in the No Lock*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 25, 2015, 01:02:21 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 25, 2015, 10:55:11 am
....*puts Queen in the No Lock*

You don't wanna play that game with me. I put Vene in a kneebar. And I punched him in the chest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on December 25, 2015, 02:12:10 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 25, 2015, 02:14:31 am
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I agree that Ted Cruz is a scary guy. It's bad enough that Trump is a neo-fascist bullshitter, but I think a Cruz or Carson presidency would be an even bigger nightmare. They have a religious conviction about the slimy things they say and I suspect, if they decided to follow some batshit doomsday prophecy to the hilt, then no one could reason with them.

People can reason with Trump when his personal fortune is at stake. His numerous declarations of bankruptcy should be evidence enough of that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 25, 2015, 02:12:59 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 25, 2015, 02:00:56 pm
Queen are you okay? This is either a shitpost or you're having a nervous breakdown.
Considering the word-for-word transcript of the original Chewbacca defense, I'm pretty sure she's trolling.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 25, 2015, 06:32:09 pm
Quote from: Ghoti on December 25, 2015, 02:12:59 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 25, 2015, 02:00:56 pm
Queen are you okay? This is either a shitpost or you're having a nervous breakdown.
Considering the word-for-word transcript of the original Chewbacca defense, I'm pretty sure she's trolling.

Yes, because being sarcastic is totally the same as trolling.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 25, 2015, 07:01:32 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on December 25, 2015, 02:00:56 pm
Queen are you okay? This is either a shitpost or you're having a nervous breakdown.


I was going to be indignant about not recognising the Chewbacca Defence but then I realised that reference is almost old enough to vote, so, y'know, you get a pass.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 25, 2015, 10:38:47 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 25, 2015, 01:02:21 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 25, 2015, 10:55:11 am
....*puts Queen in the No Lock*

You don't wanna play that game with me. I put Vene in a kneebar. And I punched him in the chest.

I will put you in the Cattle Mutilation until something pops.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 25, 2015, 11:10:03 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 25, 2015, 10:38:47 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 25, 2015, 01:02:21 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 25, 2015, 10:55:11 am
....*puts Queen in the No Lock*

You don't wanna play that game with me. I put Vene in a kneebar. And I punched him in the chest.

I will put you in the Cattle Mutilation until something pops.

/me takes off jacket

Come at me bro!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on December 25, 2015, 11:40:10 pm
Got 2:1 on Queen and 5:2 on Ironbite. Any takers?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on December 26, 2015, 12:27:46 am
(https://media.giphy.com/media/GzuK6MVgBTWSI/giphy.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/DKJhx9l.gif)

(http://now-here-this.timeout.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/tumblr_m4x7vajcAa1rp3f1f.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: guizonde on December 26, 2015, 09:42:30 am
Quote from: rookie on December 25, 2015, 11:40:10 pm
Got 2:1 on Queen and 5:2 on Ironbite. Any takers?

i'm just gonna be selling popcorn and beer. that's where the real profit is.

also, what are the odds it devolves into steamy sexings? 'cos' i wanna bet that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 26, 2015, 10:52:10 am
That's a sure bet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on December 26, 2015, 12:19:58 pm
Wait, isn't red text reserved for mods?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 26, 2015, 12:27:02 pm
Quote from: pyro on December 26, 2015, 12:19:58 pm
Wait, isn't red text reserved for mods?

If so, they goofed. Because simply typing "/me" to start a line triggers the red text and displays it as the person doing something. Example:

/me so explained to the internet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on December 26, 2015, 01:04:18 pm
Quote from: pyro on December 26, 2015, 12:19:58 pm
Wait, isn't red text reserved for mods?

Not really? I like using red text to bring attention to things that are being said in an official modly capacity, but I don't think I ever asked anyone not to use it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on December 26, 2015, 02:00:06 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on December 26, 2015, 01:04:18 pm
Not really? I like using red text to bring attention to things that are being said in an official modly capacity, but I don't think I ever asked anyone not to use it.

Okay, my bad then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 26, 2015, 06:51:11 pm
All joking aside there Queen, Nicki does bring up a fair point that I think you want to dismiss due to how you feel about Bernie Sander's stances on gun control.  I'm seeing that a lot whenever we bring up something positive about Sanders or negative about Clinton.  You might not feel that way but it's how we see it.

Ironbite-and now back to sexy wrestling *dons battle bikini and throws out a war cry*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on December 26, 2015, 07:00:05 pm
You know you are asking the impossible, right??
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2015, 07:17:57 pm
I know I said it before, but I'll say it again. All of this Sanders hype is nigh-on exactly the same as the Obama hype back in '08. If the two campaigns were works of fiction from different authors, one of them would be getting sued for blatant plagiarism. I really don't understand how anyone could assume that, much like Obama, a Sanders presidency wouldn't simply be business as usual for another four to eight years, rather than the Progressive Savior that his campaign seems to be promising.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on December 26, 2015, 07:34:52 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2015, 07:17:57 pm
I know I said it before, but I'll say it again. All of this Sanders hype is nigh-on exactly the same as the Obama hype back in '08. If the two campaigns were works of fiction from different authors, one of them would be getting sued for blatant plagiarism. I really don't understand how anyone could assume that, much like Obama, a Sanders presidency wouldn't simply be business as usual for another four to eight years, rather than the Progressive Savior that his campaign seems to be promising.
If that's true, then why is everyone assuming Hillary's going to win? She was a contender last time around, too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2015, 07:55:43 pm
Quote from: pyro on December 26, 2015, 07:34:52 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2015, 07:17:57 pm
I know I said it before, but I'll say it again. All of this Sanders hype is nigh-on exactly the same as the Obama hype back in '08. If the two campaigns were works of fiction from different authors, one of them would be getting sued for blatant plagiarism. I really don't understand how anyone could assume that, much like Obama, a Sanders presidency wouldn't simply be business as usual for another four to eight years, rather than the Progressive Savior that his campaign seems to be promising.
If that's true, then why is everyone assuming Hillary's going to win? She was a contender last time around, too.
I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here. Are you saying people didn't assume Hilary would win last time? Because I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case. Not to mention, how are Hilary's chances in any way relevant to Sander's campaign promises vs what he'd actually do as president?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on December 26, 2015, 07:59:11 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2015, 07:55:43 pm
I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here. Are you saying people didn't assume Hilary would win last time? Because I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case. Not to mention, how are Hilary's chances in any way relevant to Sander's campaign promises vs what he'd actually do as president?
In retrospect, I'm not really sure either. I guess the question is whether people are expecting a different result the second time around, but I'm not quite sure what would constitute an answer to that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on December 26, 2015, 08:01:26 pm
I'm not expecting Sanders to be the progressive savior to save us from the right-wing. Anything but, really - I expect left-wingers to be more moderate than they claim, and right-wingers to be more extreme than they claim. I want Sanders because anything is better than the right-wing Republicans and the pseudo-right-wing that Hillary seems to be, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2015, 08:35:42 pm
Quote from: pyro on December 26, 2015, 07:59:11 pm
I guess the question is whether people are expecting a different result the second time around, but I'm not quite sure what would constitute an answer to that.
Well, that and why those that believe this time would be different see things that way. Really, the why is what interests me the most, here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on December 26, 2015, 08:41:23 pm
I don't expect Sanders to be a savior, but his election could push the Democratic party back to a spot where they can actually be an actual opposition party again, rather than what it is now. Again Obama was a mystery that turned out to be the same old, same old, Sanders on the other hand has shown consistency for his entire political career.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2015, 09:02:41 pm
Obama wasn't a mystery. He was a senator since 1997. Finding out which bills he sponsored and how he voted on others was back in '08 (and still is) just a Google search away.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on December 26, 2015, 09:19:56 pm
On the national level he was rather new, given he wasn't elected to the US Senate until 2005. Up until then he was only known on a state level. Sanders has been in Washington since 1990, first as a US rep, and now as a Senator.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2015, 09:27:02 pm
His actions as state senator are just as Google-able as his post-2005 doings, and that information is still useful in guaging his overall position. Overall, I'm really not sure what the problem is.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on December 26, 2015, 09:31:09 pm
There is a difference between State politics and National politics, you're not voting on the same trade deals or such, on a State level like you do at a National level.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2015, 09:34:04 pm
Fair point. Still, it's not entirely useless information.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 26, 2015, 10:04:41 pm
No it's not but you're really not getting the point.  Most Americans don't give a damn about anyone other then their own Senators and Reps.  Obama was a fresh faced youth who came out of nowhere to challenge the perceived status quo.  Now Clinton's looking at that same challenge she had in 08 but this time from a man who's never wavered on his position to anything.  And I like that.  Are there things I wish he'd compromise and/or change?  Yes.  But Sanders is a straight shooter and I have to respect that.

Ironbite-I don't have to respect a person who's got the DNC chairperson in their back pocket.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on December 26, 2015, 10:52:21 pm
That and, here in Eagleland, states might as well be micro-nations, for all the leniency they're given.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on December 26, 2015, 10:57:56 pm
Also, one of the reasons progressives like me are exited about Sanders is that he DOES have a record, and it's a genuinely liberal one, especially when it comes to opposing corporations.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2015, 10:59:27 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 26, 2015, 10:04:41 pm
No it's not but you're really not getting the point.  Most Americans don't give a damn about anyone other then their own Senators and Reps. Obama was a fresh faced youth who came out of nowhere to challenge the perceived status quo.
...So essentially people either are too lazy to do their research, or it just never occurred to them to maybe look into the newcomer whose campaign was promising a leftist golden age?

I guess I shouldn't be the least bit surprised at this point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 26, 2015, 11:09:21 pm
Unless there is a sea change in the party make up of Congress, it won't matter one fuck which Democrat is in the White House. A lot of the perception of Obama as "same old shit, different grin" is due to legislative blockage of just about everything. I'd dust off the old Bill Clinton-era "It's the Economy, Stupid!" bumper stickers and scrawl over them with "It's Congress Being Stupid!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on December 26, 2015, 11:41:22 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on December 26, 2015, 10:57:56 pm
Also, one of the reasons progressives like me are exited about Sanders is that he DOES have a record, and it's a genuinely liberal one, especially when it comes to opposing corporations.

Truth. He's someone you can actually count on, unlike Clinton who's really just an opportunist. Also, his being an independent for many years helps.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on December 26, 2015, 11:53:50 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on December 26, 2015, 11:09:21 pm
Unless there is a sea change in the party make up of Congress, it won't matter one fuck which Democrat is in the White House. A lot of the perception of Obama as "same old shit, different grin" is due to legislative blockage of just about everything. I'd dust off the old Bill Clinton-era "It's the Economy, Stupid!" bumper stickers and scrawl over them with "It's Congress Being Stupid!"
The thing is Obama has really turned into the same old, same old and it's not just Congress being stupid given the fact that he's willing for push for things like TPP, he's been endorsing that crap, just like the Clinton's were more than happy to go along with NAFTA, and etc.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on December 27, 2015, 12:34:44 am
Hey, if it weren't for NAFTA I never would have gotten that internship in Canada last summer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 27, 2015, 04:54:50 am
Free trade isn't a bad thing in the long term. The Trans Pacific Partnership, on the other hand, can fuck right off with its draconian copyright bullshit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on December 27, 2015, 10:33:05 am
Imagine either Clinton or Sanders waiting and hoping for even one decent piece of progressive legislation to make it to their desk if Congress remains the same. Wait for it. Wait for it. Grow much greyer and bitter looking and more wrinkled waiting for it. Do you remember how Obama went from vibrant, healthy middle age to grey and tired in just his first two years? He was a liberal to progressive Senator; his life long ideology did not change in his heart or mind. The reality was not so much him compromising with the opposition, as all presidents traditionally deal with, but almost 100% legislative impedance and executive order challenges from this GOP dominated Congress. The worst, least liked Congress in American history, with a public approval rating in the ten percentiles.

Presidents administer and enact legislation that Congress writes and passes, not the other way around. Executive orders are also quite limited in scope. The GOP will always be complete and utter anathema and 100% obstructionist towards any bills that are not part of their agenda. They will never stop unless and until there is a Republican president in the White House. Remember how we went from a large budget surplus to runaway debt again in the course of 24 months from the end of the Clinton Administration and into G. W. Bush? The GOP's plutocratic backers want "small government" by means of draining and dismantling it for sale with every single piece of ALEC program legislation passed at state level, and Koch PAC-sponsored bill in Congress.

If a Republican gains the White House this time, expect an express freight train full of rapacious, money squandering corporate subsidy, federal program privatization, and massive tax cut bills to arrive on his desk every week. At least the Medieval era robber barons maintained their bridge infrastructure.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 27, 2015, 11:44:20 am
Quote from: pyro on December 26, 2015, 07:34:52 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 26, 2015, 07:17:57 pm
I know I said it before, but I'll say it again. All of this Sanders hype is nigh-on exactly the same as the Obama hype back in '08. If the two campaigns were works of fiction from different authors, one of them would be getting sued for blatant plagiarism. I really don't understand how anyone could assume that, much like Obama, a Sanders presidency wouldn't simply be business as usual for another four to eight years, rather than the Progressive Savior that his campaign seems to be promising.
If that's true, then why is everyone assuming Hillary's going to win? She was a contender last time around, too.

There are a lot of differences between Hillary in 2008 and today that bode well for the woman. First, no offense to Bernie, but Obama ran a masterful campaign that, as a politico, was a thing of beauty to watch. He focused on the states he needed, made strong inroads with traditionally red states like Ohio, Iowa, Virginia, and North Carolina. He put emphasis on the states he needed when he needed. Further He was solid in debates in such a way that he was borderline teflon with the few faults people tried to hang on him.

Second, Hillary goofed. She figured that as the front runner, she could hold off the early states, make a solid play on Super Tuesday, and wrap up the nomination. She really under played Iowa and Nevada (South Carolina would probably go to Obama anyways because the strength and enthusiasm of its black vote, and she won New Hampshire, but put forth little effort). This time, she has learned from her mistakes. More scary, several of the other campaign managers and organizations that work against her in 2008 are now on her side.

Third, the 8 way break on voting and the rockstar line-up of candidates hurt Hillary the most. She ran against the political outsider Obama, the working class hero Edwards, the experienced candidate Richardson, the international guru Biden, the super-left candidate Kucinich, the guy who was there Dodd, and the surly uncle who has dementia Gravel. Generally, until Edwards dropped out, the break nationally was 40-30-20 Hillary-Obama-Edwards. The multi-way break in debates also gave politicians more opportunity to bash on Hillary and often times her answers lacked the same resonance as today (she had 25 rounds with Obama, and she grew and learned). The break today is no where near as close, as Hillary leads Bernie nationally by close to 25% on average. While this has no bearing on the primaries, it does affect donors.

Penutlimately, a lot of the support rose from the fact that she campaigned in all 50 states. Many people already voted for her in 2008, I believe 17 million people to be exact. She is a more complete candidate today (in terms of debates and experience), so it is intuitive that she would retain a lot of the support that she got in 2008. Thus, she only needs to make marginal inroads with Obama voters from 2008 to secure the presidency. This is where Bernie comes in. I've mentioned a few things he has done confused me. Mostly, he is running on a singular issue of income inequality, and I like that. But, he's mono-dimensional. In many ways, I think he is not running for president as much as to get his issue talked about, and I do appreciate that as it is an issue we should discuss. But, he got the low hanging fruit, and he needs to make inroads with other groups: he got the socialist, the young people who don't like the status quo, and those who would never vote for a Clinton or a woman*. Now, he needs to expand a bit and appeal to new groups, and he isn't doing that. It is a big reason that his polling, nationally, has halted at 30-35%.

Which brings me to the last point, she's better funded. Jokes about corporate money aside, due to having more national support, she has more donors. She is absolutely correct to say that she was a lot of individual donations in response to challenges about being bought off. I donated $100 to her campaign: she is the clear front-runner within the legal community I work** (and we donate), and she is correct to point out that 60% of her donors are women. All in all, she is better funded today than she is in 2008, both as an individual and percentage of overall donations to candidates-wise.

In closing, I do think 2008 provides at least a blueprint on how to beat Hillary. However, I don't think it is automatically a repeat: Bernie has to do a few things to make it so, but he isn't doing those things. I think 2008 is a good way to remember that is is not over until it is over, but it is important to remember the key differences as well.

* While nobody here falls into that category, there are sexists democrats.
** this will tie into a second post I make later in regards to a post by Ibbles

Also, as a final aside, I am sorry for the thread-jacking I did. I was under the influence of considerable alcohol when I posted the Chewbacca defense, I really wanted to start off with a legit star wars discussion that would then devolve into the chewbacca defense, and ultimately into Trump. I did it for the lulz. So, could we break this discussion from the thread: maybe make it part of a P&G thread dedicated to "General discussion about the 2016 democratic primaries" or something like that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 27, 2015, 02:20:28 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 26, 2015, 06:51:11 pm
All joking aside there Queen, Nicki does bring up a fair point that I think you want to dismiss due to how you feel about Bernie Sander's stances on gun control.  I'm seeing that a lot whenever we bring up something positive about Sanders or negative about Clinton.  You might not feel that way but it's how we see it.

Ironbite-and now back to sexy wrestling *dons battle bikini and throws out a war cry*

Doublepost.

All jokes aside, I feel I've been very favorable to Bernie, but have been met with outright dismissiveness if not denial. Such as now, my lack of support for Bernie is much more multi-dimensional than his stance on gun control: his lack of ability to work with people to pass legislation, his views on free trade, his bombastic attitude when it comes to yelling about his issues*, his fanning the flames of conspiracy theories**, his disgusting vote in favor of an amendment to an appropriations act to disallow warning Mexico about the racists Minute Man Militia***, and Bernie's proclivity for alienating his colleagues****. In sum, there is a lot more to a politician than simply that the politician's political stances coincide with yours. Further, this list is in no way exhaustive: I've said many times before that I hold back criticisms of Bernie because I know people will just get upset. But, I feel as though your post elicited this one.

And none of this is getting into the cult of personality that has evolved around him. In many ways, I want him not to become president purely because I will need a lot of alcohol to survive "feeling the bern" for 4, or god forbid 8, years. Of course, I'll vote for him if it comes to that, but I really wish the internet would stop being "Kitties, porn, and Bernie" and just go back to being "kittens and porn."

Finally, my initial comment, while made in a drunken stupor, was drawn out more in response to Nicki saying in this thread and in the other thread that "Hillary isn't cool enough to make a Star Wars joke." Which flabbergasts me. With the exception of the social butterflies, none of us are cool enough to judge another's coolness. We're more or less a ragtag posse of adorably awkward social outcasts. And Ironbite who is not adorable. But, Star Wars is the epitome of nerdy culture, and in many ways represents a win among nerd culture with general culture in that the Star Wars films are probably the most mainstream stories there are. Everyone knows them, regardless of affiliation with geek/nerd subculture. Hillary making that joke represents just how iconic and mainstream the story is. It represents a win in that one of our interests is mainstream enough to be referenced by a person who may be our next president. I feel, ironically, that while you say I dislike Bernie purely because of guns and that I am unable to see the bigger picture of Bernie, you ignore Nicki doing the exact thing with Hillary. Nothing Hillary does is good enough for Nicki to say "good job": Hillary making a reference to Star Wars on national television earns Nicki's ire. I can admit when Bernie does something right, I can admit when Hillary goofs. Just because I'm not dickriding Bernie does not mean that I am not seeing the bigger picture. Besides, the only candidate that one is allowed to dickride is Obama. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b19Iheu_Tts)

*For example, when Bernie feels strongly about socialism, income inequality, minimum wage, voting rights, taxation, international relations, public services, etc., he has no problem shouting. Regardless of how correct he is on some issues, he has no problem shouting. But, the minute that Hillary supports gun control, he chides her that all the yelling won't solve anything. My first thought is that it is a giant double standard based only his views. If he supports the issue, then he can yell about it, but if he doesn't then you must talk with utmost politeness. In many ways, it is a subtle way of saying "my issues are serious, yours are not" and it is very disingenuous. My second thought about it is how would the audience react if Hillary or Obama shouted like Bernie? Don't answer that, I'll tell you, Hillary or Obama would be pilloried as an uppity bitch and an angry black man, respectively. I am not saying it is intentional sexism or racism on Bernie's part, but I do think he is benefiting from subconscious attitudes regarding race and gender, and I do not like it, although I cannot fault him for his audience respond to him.

**After the voter data scandal, Bernie had no problem fanning the flames of conspiracy theories that the DNC has it out for him to fundraise $1 million. I also think that it is very important to remember through that whole fiasco that the data is proprietary information of the DNC, that Sanders' campaign shirked the rules, and that Hillary was the victim. Yet, I doubt these facts were remembered when people donated that $1 million.

***There is no debating that Bernie has a race problem. He has no problem gathering legions of white socialists who are young and want change, but he lacks cross-race appeal. Little things like this do not help him. The cavalier attitude of his supporters towards race (shouting slurs and "all lives matter" after BLM protesters hi-jacked his rally is a good example). Nonetheless, back to the vote on the amendment, so much for this great liberal who always votes the right way, regardless of political expediency.

**** Remember back in 2009 and 2010 when Obama had sixty democratic Senators and a majority in the House, yet it still took forever to pass ObamaCare. The delay was not due to Republican opposition, although that certainly contributed. It was largely due to having problems getting the democrats on board with the bill. Bernie and Hillary have been in Washington for almost 30 years. Essentially, all of the superdelegates have met the two of them at some point, and there is a strong break for Hillary in this regard. It is due to Bernie alienating people he'll need to pass legislation, and Clinton working with and assisting those very same people. If Bernie cannot get these people on board with his agenda, the he is severely hampered in the results that he can obtain. Rhetoric is good, but I'm thinking in terms of results that the hypothetical president would obtain. Which is why I've noted it before, that ironically I am to the left of Bernie.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on December 27, 2015, 02:41:15 pm
So you continue to hijack the thread, then?? Why don't you just make a thread entitled "Why I'm a Hillary Fangirl, and you should be one too" and get it over with. Also what she did was lame and pandering, I'm quite tired of the whole can't call her out on her bs, but if it was GOP candidate it would be a whole different story. It was lame, and still would be lame no matter who said it. She is more less trying too hard, and that's why it comes off as such.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on December 27, 2015, 03:09:55 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on December 27, 2015, 02:20:28 pm
And none of this is getting into the cult of personality that has evolved around him. In many ways, I want him not to become president purely because I will need a lot of alcohol to survive "feeling the bern" for 4, or god forbid 8, years. Of course, I'll vote for him if it comes to that, but I really wish the internet would stop being "Kitties, porn, and Bernie" and just go back to being "kittens and porn."
Like you need any such excuse to drink a shitload of booze.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 27, 2015, 03:22:32 pm
*lights the fuse*

Ironbite- y'all ready for this?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on December 27, 2015, 03:24:14 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 27, 2015, 03:22:32 pm
*lights the fuse*

Ironbite- y'all ready for this?

MY BODY IS READY!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 27, 2015, 03:33:16 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 27, 2015, 03:22:32 pm
*lights the fuse*

Ironbite- y'all ready for this?
(http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2015/11/29/6358442051699040191804813638_I'm%20ready.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 27, 2015, 04:36:26 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 27, 2015, 03:22:32 pm
*lights the fuse*

Ironbite- y'all ready for this?

This looks interesting.

Quote from: Art Vandelay on December 27, 2015, 03:09:55 pm
Like you need any such excuse to drink a shitload of booze.

That is a fair point.

Quote from: nickiknack on December 27, 2015, 02:41:15 pm
So you continue to hijack the thread, then?? Why don't you just make a thread entitled "Why I'm a Hillary Fangirl, and you should be one too" and get it over with. Also what she did was lame and pandering, I'm quite tired of the whole can't call her out on her bs, but if it was GOP candidate it would be a whole different story. It was lame, and still would be lame no matter who said it. She is more less trying too hard, and that's why it comes off as such.

First, mods can separate the threads. I figured since the last two pages of this one were off topic, then it would be best to continue the discussion here while proposing the separation. Which is exactly what I did. If they support my proposal, then they can separate it and life goes on. Otherwise, we stay here and the topic will eventually go back to WSJ. Such is the workings of the internet.

Second, just because I support her does not mean I am a fangirl. That is the difference between me and you. Hillary says something stupid (like Snowden should be jailed) and I say "that is stupid." Hillary takes underhanded stances in 2008, I call her underhanded (Bernie does so today, I give him the same treatment). I call it as I see it. I have no problem labeling Clinton as an overly pragmatic politician who will pander to those interests to get things done (like Obama), but will often wind up with less than perfect legislation (like Obamacare). I support Hillary because I feel she can get the most done to help people in their day to day lives. That is the extent of how much I care for her. Though, admittedly, the idea of a female president who addresses feminist issues is something that I enjoy about her campaign, but not to the point to blindly follow her.

In contrast, I think you are a fangirl of Bernie. I state in the other thread that I support Clinton while acknowledging her faults in response to you saying all Hillary supporters are "in denial," and I do so in very fair and polite terms. You respond with "are you trying to fight me or something?" Yes, because this is so something I am gonna fight about. [/sarcasm] I try to be very understanding about those supporting Bernie by downplaying the extent of my criticisms. I state explicitly that I do not hold anything against you seeing this as purely a difference in opinion. When I opined about Bernie in a manner that wasn't favorable, you would jump down my throat. You call me a corporate sellout, shifting the goalposts time after time to the point that your only justification is that I support free trade. Bernie misspeaks in the first debate saying "women should take time off work after birth with paid leave." The crux being that it is something that only women should do (what about gay couples who adopt and need time to stay home and care for children?). I readily give Bernie the benefit of the doubt saying that he misspoke and I don't hold it against him. You internalize his misspeak saying that "of course women should" while lashing out at others (Gyeonghwa) for taking exception to the statement on Facebook. To be honest, I really don't care about the way you've been acting. I think it is childish and insecure, but I'm not angry, sad, hurt, or offended (though the sellout comment did offend, it's whatever). I'm willing to move past all of this if you are.

And if someone on the GOP said it, I would give them the same props. I wouldn't vote for a GOP clown, but a good debate moment is a good debate moment. Chiefly, a few months ago, Rubio said to Jeb "you're just attacking me because we're running for the same office and someone told you that it would help your campaign." I thought that line was a very mature, level-headed, and concise rebuttal. As an aside, if someone held a gun to my head and made me vote for a Republican, it would probably be Rubio or Graham, because at least they can tell the truth some of the time. I gave similar props to Bernie for his "damn emails" comment in the first debate and O'Malley's "Immigrant bashing carnival barker" from the second. Know what those two statements have in common with "may the force be with you? They were the most talked about and favorably received moments of the respective debates. This isn't a loyal Hillary-Fangirl thing, this is giving credit where credit is do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on December 27, 2015, 06:59:57 pm
I never called you a corporate sellout, a snob, but not a corporate sellout. I've said that you don't seem to be aware of the damage Free Trade has done to the working class in this country(losing the manufacturing base and the lack of decent paying jobs to replace those loses), but not a corporate sellout. And again it wasn't a "good debate moment" because it was lame attempt at being cool.  Good debate moments don't come off as pandering for attention.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 27, 2015, 07:23:35 pm
Quote from: ironbite on December 27, 2015, 03:22:32 pm
*lights the fuse*

Ironbite- y'all ready for this?

DUN NUN NU!

Ok time for the old Pipe Bomb effect which I don't think I've ever done outside of Flame and Burn.  Gonna be interesting as I ramble and rave but it's on topic for now.

Queen, I'm trying to figure out exactly why every time you have some sort of opinion that others don't really agree with whole heartily you blame it on the booze.  You can't be drinking that much all the time and still maintain employment.  Just own up to things and we can go on with our lives staring at your gams.

Now to address some of the points that I and Nicki have come up with.  Keep in mind there's no way I'm quoting whole posts so this'll be me just rambling.

While it is true Sanders seems to be lagging behind in the black vote category, that can be attributed to numerous things.  More then likely it's how he delivers his message that seems to put people off.  They're so used to being pandered too that they can't actually respond to a straight talker who's giving them the facts and then letting them make up their minds.  It's one of the things I like about Sanders.  He talks straight, doesn't pander, and lets others come to their own conclusions.  Maybe that's hurting him and quite possibly Clinton's taking advantage of that in the south.  But I'm not sure why that's such a bad thing.

You're wrong about Hil-Dog being any different then she was in 2008 and now.  She's the same old bitch she always has been, only with a focus on the "youth" voting block this time around.  But she's pandering to that block by quoting memes, latching onto popular culture, and even trying to insert herself into conversations that really have nothing to do with her or should include her.  It doesn't perplex me at all about how she's running this campaign this time around.  It's the same old strategy that made her the runner up last time and this time she's not gonna accept a Secretary of State position to appease her.

And that leads me to the head of the DNC.  You cannot begin to convince me that Sanders is facing an uphill climb from them if Debbie Wasserman Schultz is charing the DNC.  She was Clinton's 2008 campaign chair for fuck's sake.  Look me in the eye and tell me that the Dems aren't dirty dealing this as to apologize for letting a black man take what was supposed to be her seat away from her.  Go on.  I know you can but I'm not accepting that.  Schultz and the data breech and it's punishment of the Sanders campaign are just another example about how they don't want a so called "outsider" stealing another march on them like last time.  Clinton wants the White House again and wants to be the woman in charge and will do everything in her power to make that happen.  If that includes sabotaging another campaign, so be it.

And that leads me to the last point I'll address that you've made, the super delegates.  Yes Clinton has 500 to Sanders' 8 I believe you said?  That's because the super delegates know the writing on the wall when they see it.  Clinton is the party's choice.  Sanders didn't alienate any of these people with his manner.  They were ordered to go pledge for Clinton by the DNC.  Sanders faces one of the biggest uphill battles I've ever seen in this election.  And it's a battle I really hope he wins but we'll see.

Now I'm gonna sit here and say that I don't like some of the things Clinton is for.  I have issues with both Sanders and Clinton in regards to the issues they want to bring to the White House.  But I'm not gonna sit here and claim that whatever Clinton is doing is right just because she's got a vagina which is what some SJWs want.  They want her above all forms of criticism without understanding how wrong that is.  The more we criticize these candidates the more they listen to us and the more progressive we as a nation actually get.

Ironbite-*drops the mic*
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on December 27, 2015, 08:02:08 pm
Remember what Queen said about conspiracy theories?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on December 27, 2015, 08:33:30 pm
Yeah not buying that at all.

Ironbite-if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and smells delicious when put in a pan like a duck, it's a duck.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on December 27, 2015, 10:20:03 pm
Nicki, you are right, you did not call me a "corporate sell-out." You did, however, say

Quote from: Nicki
it's nice to see that you need to get out of your ivory tower more often given your flippant attitude towards income inequality

Quote from: Nicki
you certainly have shown a "meh, who cares about the working class" attitude when it comes to effects of neo-liberalism on this country

In my book, to-may-toe, to-mah-toe.

As for Ironbite...

/me lights a fuse
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on December 27, 2015, 10:23:29 pm
Why don't you set off your pipe bomb here?

http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=7076.0 (http://fqa.digibase.ca/index.php?topic=7076.0)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on December 28, 2015, 06:31:02 pm
Back on topic:
(http://i.imgur.com/l2VnkpX.png)
There was a very long post after this but all I got from it was "if you call straight people straight you hate ace people". 

Edit: I was having trouble reading all that discourse without going crosseyed so I stuck the text in a text-to-speech program and it pronounced "acephobia" as "ass-o-phobia", which I thought was funny in a immature way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 01, 2016, 12:43:12 am
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/np18op.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 01, 2016, 01:07:37 am
Quote from: The_Queen on December 27, 2015, 10:20:03 pm
Nicki, you are right, you did not call me a "corporate sell-out." You did, however, say

Quote from: Nicki
it's nice to see that you need to get out of your ivory tower more often given your flippant attitude towards income inequality

Quote from: Nicki
you certainly have shown a "meh, who cares about the working class" attitude when it comes to effects of neo-liberalism on this country

In my book, to-may-toe, to-mah-toe.

As for Ironbite...

/me lights a fuse

So, did it fizzle out or do you just have a far longer fuse than is necessary?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on January 01, 2016, 02:17:57 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 01, 2016, 01:07:37 am
Quote from: The_Queen on December 27, 2015, 10:20:03 pm
Nicki, you are right, you did not call me a "corporate sell-out." You did, however, say

Quote from: Nicki
it's nice to see that you need to get out of your ivory tower more often given your flippant attitude towards income inequality

Quote from: Nicki
you certainly have shown a "meh, who cares about the working class" attitude when it comes to effects of neo-liberalism on this country

In my book, to-may-toe, to-mah-toe.

As for Ironbite...

/me lights a fuse

So, did it fizzle out or do you just have a far longer fuse than is necessary?

I'm just relaxing, enjoying the rest of my break. As for the upcoming post, I am really debating how far I should go with it. I'm not trying to anger anyone, but at the same time I don't think there is a polite way to say it. It is currently making me question the meaning and boundaries of friendship, as well as the foundational aspects of friendship in a community interacted with entirely through a computer. It is quite existential.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 12:00:31 pm
I for one am craving for those sick deconstructionist beats.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 01, 2016, 03:42:17 pm
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/14vk11g.jpg)

What a waste of perfectly good ink.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 03:46:33 pm
That's... true, though. An underprivileged group of people cannot be equally discriminatory to the privileged class. A police officer saying "I place you under arrest" to a civilian has more weight than vice versa.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 01, 2016, 04:05:19 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 03:46:33 pm
That's... true, though. An underprivileged group of people cannot be equally discriminatory to the privileged class. A police officer saying "I place you under arrest" to a civilian has more weight than vice versa.

Yeah, but saying they're not racist or sexist because of that is completely absurd.  Conflating bigotry with institutional bigotry is intellectually dishonest.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 01, 2016, 04:26:06 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 03:46:33 pm
That's... true, though. An underprivileged group of people cannot be equally discriminatory to the privileged class. A police officer saying "I place you under arrest" to a civilian has more weight than vice versa.
Institutional sexism is not the same thing as sexism, merely a subset of it. Words mean things, and you can't just make up your own definitions willy-nilly to suit your argument.

Honestly now, why the fuck are people still, after all this time, claiming that the whole "racism/sexism/whatever else = power + prejudice" nonsense is anything other than utter bullshit?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 01, 2016, 04:38:27 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 01, 2016, 04:26:06 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 03:46:33 pm
That's... true, though. An underprivileged group of people cannot be equally discriminatory to the privileged class. A police officer saying "I place you under arrest" to a civilian has more weight than vice versa.
Institutional sexism is not the same thing as sexism, merely a subset of it. Words mean things, and you can't just make up your own definitions willy-nilly to suit your argument.

Honestly now, why the fuck are people still, after all this time, claiming that the whole "racism/sexism/whatever else = power + prejudice" nonsense is anything other than utter bullshit?

Simple: because it suits their narrative.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 04:46:45 pm
Note how I have not actually said "racism = power + prejudice", or that marginalized people can't be prejudiced.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 01, 2016, 04:49:42 pm
Not technically, but you described a paragraph making that claim as "true".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 04:52:51 pm
Except the paragraph included "marginalized groups can be just as prejudiced as privileged classes". Which you'd know, had you actually read it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 01, 2016, 05:09:37 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 04:52:51 pm
Except the paragraph included "marginalized groups can be just as prejudiced as privileged classes". Which you'd know, had you actually read it.
...The fuck?! Claiming that anyone who's not "privileged" can't be racist or sexist, only prejudiced, is exactly how that logic works.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 01, 2016, 05:26:56 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 04:52:51 pm
Except the paragraph included "marginalized groups can be just as prejudiced as privileged classes". Which you'd know, had you actually read it.

UP reading his own sources to make sure they back up what he claims?

Ironbite-ARE YOU INSANE!?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 05:39:37 pm
The picture was not saying underprivileged people can't be racist or sexist, ever, only that they cannot be equally so because of societal inequalities that stretch beyond the prejudices of individuals.

To simplify, because that's apparently something I have to do: Person A and person B are equally able to punch each other in the face for petty reasons; however, person A and person B will not be treated equally by the system for it. If you still don't understand, then I'll be done. I'll have tried, and I'll leave it behind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 01, 2016, 05:57:58 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 05:39:37 pm
The picture was not saying underprivileged people can't be racist or sexist, ever, only that they cannot be equally so because of societal inequalities that stretch beyond the prejudices of individuals.

To simplify, because that's apparently something I have to do: Person A and person B are equally able to punch each other in the face for petty reasons; however, person A and person B will not be treated equally by the system for it. If you still don't understand, then I'll be done. I'll have tried, and I'll leave it behind.
And your logic is quite simply bullshit. Allow me to demonstrate.
Quote from:  Oxford Dictionary
Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.

Quote from: Merriam-Webster Dictionary
   
 1    :  a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

 2    :  racial prejudice or discrimination
So no, power has absolutely nothing to do with how racist a person is or can be. It's only a question of attitude. The potential damage someone can do as a result of their bigotry, while certainly effected by power, is nonetheless an entirely separate issue.

Remember when I mentioned arbitrarily redefining words to suit your argument? This is exactly what I was talking about.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 06:06:00 pm
Repercussions cannot be divorced from racism and are a key component of "how racist" someone can be. White guys calling black people the n-word and black people calling white people crackers will never be equally racist precisely because of the societal implications that stretch beyond individuals. Also, dictionaries are recordings of how people use words, not sources of authority on the practical dimensions of terms related to sociology.

I've said my piece. Now I'm dropping this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 01, 2016, 06:14:30 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 06:06:00 pm
Repercussions cannot be divorced from racism and are a key component of "how racist" someone can be. White guys calling black people the n-word and black people calling white people crackers will never be equally racist precisely because of the societal implications that stretch beyond individuals. Also, dictionaries are recordings of how people use words, not sources of authority on the practical dimensions of terms related to sociology.

I've said my piece. Now I'm dropping this.
Yes, and the dictionaries have recorded that "racism" refers exclusively to attitude. Ergo, a black guy who hates "those fucking crackers" is just as racist as a white guy who hates "those fucking niggers". The potential damage either of them can cause is, as I said, an entirely separate issue. Again, you don't get to claim that words actually mean something completely different just to suit your argument. At least, not and still expect to be taken seriously by anyone outside of Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 02, 2016, 05:00:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/CtWW3jo.png)

You can only pair the fictional characters I approve of. Otherwise you're sexist and racist.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on January 02, 2016, 07:18:19 pm
I don't ship "Raylo", as they put it, because Kylo Ren is a psychotic villain. Also, I didn't even know Poe wasn't white until I saw the actors name. And while on the subject, who ships Ray and Poe? They shared zero scenes, for Space-Christ's sake!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on January 02, 2016, 07:25:41 pm
Gibon here's the thing you don't get about ships, even if the characters shared two milliseconds of Screen time together someone will ship it. Hell TV Tropes has a term for it and everything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 02, 2016, 07:58:29 pm
Hell, I ship two characters in a video game whose only canon interaction was one of them implicitly killing the other and possessing his body before the game's events. I know about having to come up with shit from whole cloth.

...

wait, I mean
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 02, 2016, 08:10:34 pm
Spoilers might be nice when mentioning Star Wars content. Not all of us have seen the movie yet, you know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on January 02, 2016, 08:46:31 pm
The whole purpose of saying blacks can only be prejudiced is for the persual of an anti-white agenda. Its just one part of a larger movement to attack whites for nearly everything
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 03, 2016, 01:13:10 am
(http://i.imgur.com/fdgAsVX.jpg)
Trigger Content Warning: straight people. This site has become a parody of itself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on January 03, 2016, 01:30:46 am
Quote from: Hofstadter's Tortoise on January 02, 2016, 08:46:31 pm
The whole purpose of saying blacks can only be prejudiced is for the persual of an anti-white agenda. Its just one part of a larger movement to attack whites for nearly everything

Nah, it's just an escape hatch. Not a very clever one either; they know "racism" is deservedly a more charged word than "prejudice".

Just another variation on "I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on January 03, 2016, 06:11:05 am
At this point, I'm just waiting for one of them to notice that "het" is an anagram of "the," and so claim that the definite article is homophobic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 03, 2016, 01:28:16 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/34pjqky.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on January 03, 2016, 01:44:46 pm
Yes because no black were allowed, the death of  1,503 people is somehow lessened despite the fact that a good majority of the people on that boat where poor and didn't have much of a standing any way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 03, 2016, 01:51:05 pm
I...don't see the problem with Ghoti's thing tbh. Blacklisting things that are unappealing to you, and explicitly not because of triggers? (Even though that wouldn't be an issue either because triggers can be anything at all, that's how trauma works.) When did that become WoSJ-worthy?

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 03, 2016, 02:01:13 pm
Quote from: Zygarde on January 03, 2016, 01:44:46 pm
Yes because no black were allowed, the death of  1,503 people is somehow lessened despite the fact that a good majority of the people on that boat where poor and didn't have much of a standing any way.

Not to mention, there actually was a black man who died on the Titanic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Philippe_Lemercier_Laroche (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Philippe_Lemercier_Laroche)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 03, 2016, 02:26:38 pm
Quote from: lord gibbon on January 02, 2016, 07:18:19 pm
I don't ship "Raylo", as they put it, because Kylo Ren is a psychotic villain. Also, I didn't even know Poe wasn't white until I saw the actors name. And while on the subject, who ships Ray and Poe? They shared zero scenes, for Space-Christ's sake!

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Quote from: Ghoti on January 03, 2016, 01:13:10 am
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Trigger Content Warning: straight people. This site has become a parody of itself.

..."X cw" just means "I know people who don't want to see X in their dash and I'm doing them a favour by making it easy to block it"? It's not a judgement on X.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on January 03, 2016, 09:04:50 pm
Quote from: nickiknack on December 27, 2015, 02:41:15 pm
So you continue to hijack the thread, then?? Why don't you just make a thread entitled "Why I'm a Hillary Fangirl, and you should be one too" and get it over with. Also what she did was lame and pandering, I'm quite tired of the whole can't call her out on her bs, but if it was GOP candidate it would be a whole different story. It was lame, and still would be lame no matter who said it. She is more less trying too hard, and that's why it comes off as such.

This is a stupid thread and personally I am happy to have it hijacked with a political discussion. So I'm turning this bus around. Or at least I would if they would give me back my drivers licence and remove the alcohol lock.

One thing I've noticed is that no matter how detailed Queen's responses are Nicky you just seem to scream back "why don't you go live in Hillary's vagina". To descend into the counter response it would be 'you only feel the bern because you have herpes and need to pee'. Which would be silly.

I might be missing some of the political context over here but here a few things I've noticed:

1. People keep saying that Hillary is immune from criticism because she has a vagina. How has her magical vagina protected her from criticism? When has Queen said that Hillary's magical vagina should prevent anyone saying anything bad about her?

2. Sanders email scandal really did seem like a big deal to me. They accessed another candidates information and got caught. They didn't get caught running innocent searches either. They were using the information so that they could best undermine Hillary's campaign and promote their own. Now because of the nature of this they got a very unfair headstart. How do you punish them? You lock them out of the system. It seems to me both Hillary and Bernie played this well. Sanders didn't scream conspiracy. He got rid of the people who did it and apologised, Hillary accepted and moved on. As for the DNC, I don't see what else they could do. Now if Hillary gets caught doing the same thing and then doesn't get punished that will be the time to cry conspiracy.

3. Saying that the superdelegates have all been instructed to support Hillary. By whom? Where is the evidence of this?

Finally the real problem with the US system is that the general election is not between Hillary and Sanders. I genuinely think Hillary will be a good president who will keep the US moving forward. She is too Hawkish for my tastes but the US has a very delicate position in Foreign Affairs and I understand that some military action will be more or less inevitable. Sanders will be very interesting on the international stage. I love some of his policies, particularly funding college tuition. I also think that reducing income inequality will be good for the US economy.

I don't think that either Hillary or Sanders will be the second coming of Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy or Jesus but both will be capable of steering the US. On the otherside of politics I would not trust most of the republican candidates from plunging the international economy into a global depression or starting WWIII
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 07, 2016, 11:51:39 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/vne5v7.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on January 08, 2016, 01:32:13 am
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/youre_serious_futurama.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on January 08, 2016, 06:10:49 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 07, 2016, 11:51:39 pm
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So...I'm being told to look at the facts about where facts come from because facts are racist and therefor wrong...

(http://static1.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_medium/1538/15387297/2550658-nicolas-cage-laughing.gif)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 08, 2016, 06:44:07 pm
So did i turn over two pages at once or...?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Thejebusfire on January 09, 2016, 04:56:20 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 03, 2016, 02:01:13 pm
Quote from: Zygarde on January 03, 2016, 01:44:46 pm
Yes because no black were allowed, the death of  1,503 people is somehow lessened despite the fact that a good majority of the people on that boat where poor and didn't have much of a standing any way.

Not to mention, there actually was a black man who died on the Titanic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Philippe_Lemercier_Laroche (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Philippe_Lemercier_Laroche)

There were actually two known black men who died on the Titanic.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-17702282
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheContrarian on January 09, 2016, 07:43:26 pm
Just clear this up for me, had you yanks decided the Irish were white by 1912?

Otherwise quite a few blacks died on the Titanic...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lt. Fred on January 09, 2016, 09:05:28 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 01, 2016, 05:09:37 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 04:52:51 pm
Except the paragraph included "marginalized groups can be just as prejudiced as privileged classes". Which you'd know, had you actually read it.
...The fuck?! Claiming that anyone who's not "privileged" can't be racist or sexist, only prejudiced, is exactly how that logic works.

Everyone gets caught up in this dumb semantic argument. The actual claim is really simple and fairly sensible:

There are two kinds of what we could call "prejudice":

1) Embedded social attitudes, stereotypes, tropes and whatnot. This is reflected in loads of ways: everything from longer sentences for black criminals than white, women not getting as much credit for work as men, and crappy racist legislation. It's also reflected in media and words and shit like that. AND
2) A person consciously hating another person because they are a certain ethnicity. Or using institutionally racist memes to humiliate another person.

The latter is the sort that people remember. The argument is that the former is where the money is, and the latter isn't really that big a deal.

The next step is realising that the word racism has some sick salience and trying to exploit it for good. Not complicated.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 10, 2016, 05:07:40 am
Quote from: Lt. Fred on January 09, 2016, 09:05:28 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 01, 2016, 05:09:37 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 01, 2016, 04:52:51 pm
Except the paragraph included "marginalized groups can be just as prejudiced as privileged classes". Which you'd know, had you actually read it.
...The fuck?! Claiming that anyone who's not "privileged" can't be racist or sexist, only prejudiced, is exactly how that logic works.

Everyone gets caught up in this dumb semantic argument. The actual claim is really simple and fairly sensible:

There are two kinds of what we could call "prejudice":

1) Embedded social attitudes, stereotypes, tropes and whatnot. This is reflected in loads of ways: everything from longer sentences for black criminals than white, women not getting as much credit for work as men, and crappy racist legislation. It's also reflected in media and words and shit like that. AND
2) A person consciously hating another person because they are a certain ethnicity. Or using institutionally racist memes to humiliate another person.

The latter is the sort that people remember. The argument is that the former is where the money is, and the latter isn't really that big a deal.

The next step is realising that the word racism has some sick salience and trying to exploit it for good. Not complicated.

That's called institutional racism/sexism. Not pain ol' racism or sexism, institutional racism/sexism. It already has a term, it's a perfectly good term, there's no need whatsoever to try and redefine racism to just mean institutional racism or sexism to just mean institutional sexism (well, we all know why the Tumblr crowd sees a need to try and redefine those words, but nobody with more than three functioning brain cells should even consider taking those knob ends seriously).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 10, 2016, 05:33:24 am
I am going to side with Art here.

There is no need to change the meaning of the terms currently in use just because you want to draw attention to one particular aspect of racism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on January 10, 2016, 09:31:36 am
Language is just a tool to express ideas and in academical discussion it is useful to define terms more precisely and exclusively to express the nuances in different ideas. An author is expected to give explicit definitions to the terms they use (these definitions can be their own or quoted from other authors) since there often are nuances that are ignored in dictionary definitions and separate authors can attach different aspects to same terms. People in a field of study can form a consensus about the definition of a term that is slightly different from the everyday/dictionary definition because that way they can discuss the ideas important to them more accurately. This is where the distinction between institutional racism and racism with the power aspect comes from.

It seems there are a lot of SJWs who ignore this context-sensitive aspect of language and make the mistake of thinking that the definition of racism suitable to their interests is an absolute one. They are abusing this particular definition but the definition itself isn't to blame: in the proper context it is doing its job.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 10, 2016, 07:58:06 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/294hyk0.jpg)

I suspect this might be a joke, but you never know...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 10, 2016, 08:20:53 pm
This is a PSA to womyns.

GET REKT SCRUBS
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 10, 2016, 09:23:22 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 10, 2016, 07:58:06 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/294hyk0.jpg)

I suspect this might be a joke, but you never know...

I adore the implication that women are delicate little flowers that can't handle being told they're wrong.  Way to eschew traditional gender roles and go full horseshoe, you brainless overdeveloped cumshots.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 10, 2016, 11:39:08 pm
It reeks of bait. Italicizing "scared" came off too much like the writer grinned while typng it. Or, it's the work of a thirteen year old going through her mawkishly moronic phase.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 11, 2016, 12:11:19 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on January 10, 2016, 11:39:08 pm
It reeks of bait. Italicizing "scared" came off too much like the writer grinned while typng it. Or, it's the work of a thirteen year old going through her mawkishly moronic phase.

I think the latter. The source (http://kermitcallsout.tumblr.com/) looks standard for shitty SJ but not obviously trollish (but obviously it's hard to tell sometimes).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 11, 2016, 01:00:51 pm
I found an article calling for a curfew for men:

https://archive.is/fnORm (https://archive.is/fnORm)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 11, 2016, 01:14:19 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 11, 2016, 01:00:51 pm
I found an article calling for a curfew for men:

https://archive.is/fnORm (https://archive.is/fnORm)

Is it too much to ask that you would quote the relevant bits for those of us who can't access that site? And was it written on the Archive site or could you just give us the proper link to the site where it was?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on January 11, 2016, 01:17:32 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 11, 2016, 01:00:51 pm
I found an article calling for a curfew for men:

I find stupid shit people write on the internet too. It happens sometimes.

There was a post somewhere else on FQA that dealt with this problem rather nicely:

Quote
As if that means anything.  There are [stupid people who occasionally write down their ideas], yes, but is that really such a big deal?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 11, 2016, 01:24:25 pm
Quote from: Askold on January 11, 2016, 01:14:19 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 11, 2016, 01:00:51 pm
I found an article calling for a curfew for men:

https://archive.is/fnORm (https://archive.is/fnORm)

Is it too much to ask that you would quote the relevant bits for those of us who can't access that site? And was it written on the Archive site or could you just give us the proper link to the site where it was?

Alrighty then.  Here are some choice quotes:

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You’ve had your chance, bepenised ones. And you’ve blown it. What you’ve proven, time and time again, is that you cannot be trusted to behave yourselves after dark. In Germany, about 1000 men are reported to have arrived to the Cologne Cathedral area on New Years Eve, intending to sexually assault and mug as many women as possible. The CBC reports, “Some 121 women are reported to have been robbed, threatened, or sexually molested there by gangs of mostly drunk men between 18 and 35 years old while out celebrating.” Similar attacks took place in Hamburg and Stuttgart as well.

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While, yes, men are violent during the day and while, yes, a curfew would not resolve the problem of patriarchy and male violence against women, it does, in a way, address entitlement and privilege. While, in some ways, my argument here began facetiously, the more I consider the idea of a curfew for men, the more it makes sense. Why should men, if they have proven time and time again that they cannot — will not — leave women alone, stop harassing, raping, drugging, stalking, catcalling, groping, flashing, be permitted to move about freely in this world? We — women — are the ones who suffer and who feel afraid.

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Think of it as a mass grounding for men. After a designated period of time, we’ll allow them back on the streets after dark to see how it goes. If the sexual assaults and harassment continue, well, it’s back to the curfew.

Quote from: Ironchew on January 11, 2016, 01:17:32 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 11, 2016, 01:00:51 pm
I found an article calling for a curfew for men:

I find stupid shit people write on the internet too. It happens sometimes.

There was a post somewhere else on FQA that dealt with this problem rather nicely:

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As if that means anything.  There are [stupid people who occasionally write down their ideas], yes, but is that really such a big deal?

There's a big difference between drawing porn and calling for people to be put under curfew for something they can't control.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on January 11, 2016, 01:40:58 pm
Femitheist Devine? Is that you?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 11, 2016, 02:26:14 pm
I'm confused, UP. What is the thing that "people cannot control" in re curfew? That they are male? Or, did you shit on your shoes by accident, because as that sentence reads in context with your quotes and comments there, it seems like you're saying men can't control themselves (which is of course completely fallacious).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 11, 2016, 02:31:24 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on January 11, 2016, 02:26:14 pm
I'm confused, UP. What is the thing that "people cannot control" in re curfew? That they are male? Or, did you shit on your shoes by accident, because as that sentence reads in context with your quotes and comments there, it seems like you're saying men can't control themselves (which is of course completely fallacious).

I think he means that people are not in control of whether they are men or not. The curfew is suggested as sentence for any person who just happens to be a man.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 11, 2016, 02:43:00 pm
Quote from: Askold on January 11, 2016, 02:31:24 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on January 11, 2016, 02:26:14 pm
I'm confused, UP. What is the thing that "people cannot control" in re curfew? That they are male? Or, did you shit on your shoes by accident, because as that sentence reads in context with your quotes and comments there, it seems like you're saying men can't control themselves (which is of course completely fallacious).

I think he means that people are not in control of whether they are men or not. The curfew is suggested as sentence for any person who just happens to be a man.

Bingo.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on January 11, 2016, 04:06:44 pm
UP what about the idea that all women are afraid to be out at night (I hope this isn't true and I suspect it depends on where you are) because of the actions of some men. Until the 'good' men start to bring the 'bad' men into line then no men are allowed out at night.  Which seems to be the basis of the article. You say it is silly to prevent people going out at night because of something which they have no control over, that is being male. However the author notes that people are afraid to go out at night because of something of which they have no control over, being women who are harrassed by men

I think there are several things wrong with it, but I suspect the problems I have a different to yours. Firstly the idea that 'good' members of a loosely associated group should have to control the other members of the group is silly. It's like saying all catholics are responsible for paedophile priests. Or all muslims are responsible for ISIS. Secondly curfews are generally a pretty shit idea. Thirdly who would enforce the curfew? Finally I suspect that most women aren't actually continually afraid to go out at night in most places in big western cities.

However I also find it extremely hard to take seriously, and therefore take umbrage over, an article which addresses men as 'bepenised ones'. Although to be fair, mine is a weapon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on January 11, 2016, 04:59:02 pm
I admit that that phrase in the article makes it seem like a Poe; a little context would help verify or disprove that notion.

But I get the feeling some of the lukewarm response to the quote is strictly because UP posted it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 11, 2016, 05:15:11 pm
Well, here's another article she's written:

http://www.feministcurrent.com/2010/05/28/freedom-bad-knees-and-push-up-bras/ (http://www.feministcurrent.com/2010/05/28/freedom-bad-knees-and-push-up-bras/)

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I am so freakin sick of white, Western women going on and on about how sad and oppressed brown women in the East are. Are you that self-absorbed and brainless that you actually believe that the ‘freedom’ to wear stilettos and get giant, cartoonish breast implants is actually emancipation?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on January 11, 2016, 05:32:43 pm
So she wrote another article 5-6 years ago. She seems to think that US culture isn't inherently superior to other cultures. Well I'm outraged.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on January 11, 2016, 05:48:09 pm
Sounds to me more like she's equating "executed for attending college" with "attractiveness correlates with income." Note that both are sexist, but one is enforced through income inequality and the other is enforced with police action.

Edit: reading the whole article makes me significantly more aware of the point the writer is making. I still stand by the claim that there's an important difference in the enforcement methods, but she's right about the fact that sexist standards of beauty = sexist standards of beauty.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 11, 2016, 06:05:20 pm
Yeah, let's restrict the rights of people because a tiny percentage of them are at a higher risk of crime. Surely this policy cannot have any negative repercussions or set dangerous precedents. Jesus fucking Christ.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on January 11, 2016, 06:27:53 pm
After reading the first article, it's pretty much exactly as UP made it sound. Men in general have earned the curfew, according to her. The best interpretation I can find in this thing is a policy that old school teachers used:

Quote from: old school teachers
I don't know who did it, and none of you are coming forward, so you're all punished. And if you don't think it's fair, well, life isn't fair. Maybe next time you won't cover up for the perp.

The worst interpretation, of course, is that men are all actually guilty of this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on January 12, 2016, 03:25:23 am
(http://i.imgur.com/Xc34mJ8.png)
Trolling? Mislead? Actually that fucking dumb? You decide!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on January 12, 2016, 03:40:16 am
Indeed people get stressed so why shouldnt mothers be given thalidomide.

Fuck it 13 year olds should be made to read everything they wrote when they are 18, 25 and 30.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on January 12, 2016, 04:38:40 am
Quote from: davedan on January 12, 2016, 03:40:16 am
Indeed people get stressed so why shouldnt mothers be given thalidomide.

Fuck it 13 year olds should be made to read everything they wrote when they are 18, 25 and 30.

You do realize that a disturbingly high percentage of them would, when they're 30, likely say, "Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I still think that," right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on January 12, 2016, 05:12:53 am
Dpareja that is simply too depressing for words.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 13, 2016, 05:53:53 pm
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/2a8j689.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on January 13, 2016, 05:59:37 pm
The crazy is strong with this one.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on January 13, 2016, 11:12:53 pm
Quote from: davedan on January 12, 2016, 03:40:16 am
Fuck it 13 year olds should be made to read everything they wrote when they are 18, 25 and 30.

That's just a revenge fantasy, you know that right? It won't prevent people from writing dumb stuff when they're kids, and the best possible outcome is that the adult is already rehabilitated when forced to read it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 14, 2016, 12:21:23 am
BAMBI SMASH PUNY FAIRY!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 14, 2016, 10:31:01 am
Hilarious. Yeah, she is indeed Faekin'. Can't wait to see a troll or actual otherkin call themselves a Beaugous.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 14, 2016, 10:48:43 am
So long as she doesn't think she's this fae (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/Images/20_Mab.jpg), I can't say that I care.  Mostly because only Mab can be Mab.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 14, 2016, 01:36:46 pm
An if your name is Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden, you do not fuck with Mab.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on January 14, 2016, 03:06:48 pm
Quote from: Svata on January 14, 2016, 01:36:46 pm
An if your name is Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden, you do not fuck with Mab.

Unless you're Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 14, 2016, 03:20:26 pm
Bah, I meant isn't, not is. Damn typos.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 14, 2016, 03:41:17 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 14, 2016, 10:48:43 am
So long as she doesn't think she's this fae (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/Images/20_Mab.jpg), I can't say that I care.  Mostly because only Mab can be Mab.
She could be a Mow? You know, the imperfect clones of Mab with an IQ of 3?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 14, 2016, 07:23:47 pm
Quote from: Askold on January 14, 2016, 03:41:17 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 14, 2016, 10:48:43 am
So long as she doesn't think she's this fae (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/Images/20_Mab.jpg), I can't say that I care.  Mostly because only Mab can be Mab.
She could be a Mow? You know, the imperfect clones of Mab with an IQ of 3?

Nah, mows are too interesting and relevant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 15, 2016, 05:19:26 am
I repeat the mental image that quote gave me;

BAMBI SMASH PUNY FAIRY!!!

Because seriously, I died being stepped on by a deer is not something that goes unremarked on.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 15, 2016, 10:40:01 am
Don't worry niam. I laughed the first time I saw it. And again just now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 16, 2016, 07:01:57 pm
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/16jhlvr.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 16, 2016, 07:11:53 pm
My thoughts when I saw "supper racist";

Klan Dad: so, Adolfina, would you like some hatred chicken with your intolerance soup?

Klan Daughter: oh daddy, you know what I like in my injustice meals...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on January 17, 2016, 02:01:50 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on January 16, 2016, 07:11:53 pm
My thoughts when I saw "supper racist";

Klan Dad: so, Adolfina, would you like some hatred chicken with your intolerance soup?

Klan Daughter: oh daddy, you know what I like in my injustice meals...

I presume they fuck right after.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on January 18, 2016, 01:42:10 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 16, 2016, 07:01:57 pm
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/16jhlvr.jpg)

...Guinea pig colors have nothing to do with racism against other humans.

Plus, if you buy 2 different colors of guinea pig and naively expect to get offspring that are either all 2-colored, or half one color and half the other, you're going to be disappointed because the presence of pigment is, in fact, a dominant gene in a lot of species.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on January 18, 2016, 02:16:05 pm
I just want to know what the fuck kind of 3rd grade science project involves 127 guinea pigs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on January 18, 2016, 02:33:13 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on January 18, 2016, 02:16:05 pm
I just want to know what the fuck kind of 3rd grade science project involves 127 guinea pigs.

The kind where you let them outside and they reproduce like guinea pigs?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 18, 2016, 05:18:04 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on January 18, 2016, 02:16:05 pm
I just want to know what the fuck kind of 3rd grade science project involves 127 guinea pigs.

The kind that needs non-tiny sample sizes?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on January 18, 2016, 06:48:10 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on January 18, 2016, 05:18:04 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on January 18, 2016, 02:16:05 pm
I just want to know what the fuck kind of 3rd grade science project involves 127 guinea pigs.

The kind that needs non-tiny sample sizes?

You think third grade science class should work like actual science projects?! What's wrong with you!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 19, 2016, 04:45:14 pm
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/6glhd5.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 19, 2016, 05:05:05 pm
Seems like Whitebox McRedborder thinks that people who aren't mentally disabled* making jokes and puns involving mental disability counts as pissing on the mentally disabled. I'm not giving a statement of endorsement one way or another, but I can at least see the reasoning behind this.

*presumably; as far as I know Tyson is, as they say, neurotypical
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 19, 2016, 05:25:07 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 19, 2016, 05:05:05 pm
Seems like Whitebox McRedborder thinks that people who aren't mentally disabled* making jokes and puns involving mental disability counts as pissing on the mentally disabled. I'm not giving a statement of endorsement one way or another, but I can at least see the reasoning behind this.

*presumably; as far as I know Tyson is, as they say, neurotypical

I think Tyson was talking about the Earth having two magnetic poles.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 19, 2016, 05:33:22 pm
Apparently, Whitebox thought otherwise.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 19, 2016, 06:14:53 pm
Tyson was making a pun. Some people don't like jokes that involve mental illness in any way (perhaps because ha ha crazy people humour is both common and hurtful)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 03:43:40 pm
So, Gregory Alan Elliot was found not guilty:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/01/22/verdict-expected-today-in-twitter-harassment-trial_n_9047716.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/01/22/verdict-expected-today-in-twitter-harassment-trial_n_9047716.html)

Here's a collage of reactions:

(http://oi67.tinypic.com/9qlkkh.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 23, 2016, 03:53:38 pm
Way too many screenshots collaged together there. Sum up your fucking point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on January 23, 2016, 03:58:24 pm
Quote from: Svata on January 23, 2016, 03:53:38 pm
Way too many screenshots collaged together there. Sum up your fucking point.

He's probably just tooting his horn after a bunch of bitch-slut-whores couldn't bring their harrasser to accountability in court.

Sounds like something he'd celebrate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 03:59:51 pm
Quote from: Svata on January 23, 2016, 03:53:38 pm
Way too many screenshots collaged together there. Sum up your fucking point.

Long story short, they're angry about a landmark case where reals trump feels.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 23, 2016, 04:01:11 pm
So... court verdicts are infallible now? Tamir Rice wasn't murdered?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 04:07:55 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 23, 2016, 04:01:11 pm
So... court verdicts are infallible now? Tamir Rice wasn't murdered?

Difference is, there's no compelling evidence that the court ruled wrongly.

Here's the full text of the judge's ruling (https://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/doc/2016/2016oncj35/2016oncj35.html).  And I found these quotes to be interesting:

Quote
Though she testified that Mr. Elliott had a right to give his opinion, she took the position that she could demand that she be excluded from receiving it, which is her right – but also that he had to comply and cooperate, which is not her right.

Quote
The fact of her harassment came from different beliefs and positions that she held and the large volume of tweets that Mr. Elliott sent to her or about her. It came from her view that Mr. Elliott could not use Twitter in the way that he did. It came from her understanding that every tweet from Mr. Elliott that mentioned her was meant for her – even if it was a retweet of someone else’s tweet that had mentioned her. It came from her perception that she could tweet on topics without being exposed to what she viewed as his spurious, invalid tweets about the same topic – even if the topic was him, his online behaviour alleged or factual, his opinion on subjects she discussed, or insults to him.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 23, 2016, 04:11:51 pm
To be fair, when I block someone I expect to, you know, not be contacted by that person.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 04:18:10 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 23, 2016, 04:11:51 pm
To be fair, when I block someone I expect to, you know, not be contacted by that person.

What if you accuse them of pedophilia?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 23, 2016, 04:22:21 pm
If I put up a wall specifically for the purpose of keeping someone out, and that someone takes out a spade and digs under it specifically to bug me, then that's still shit. And no, slandering someone isn't justified, but a spade is a spade is a spade.

And yeah, "the behaviour wasn't criminal" doesn't equate to "this person has done no wrong". If you're going to take tweets and tout them as Bad Essjay, pick ones that actually, you know, are Bad Essjay.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:17:23 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/al66ia.jpg)

He was such a great student that Yale Law gave him his acceptance letter a month and a half before they start to mail them out!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 23, 2016, 08:26:07 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 23, 2016, 04:22:21 pm
If I put up a wall specifically for the purpose of keeping someone out, and that someone takes out a spade and digs under it specifically to bug me, then that's still shit. And no, slandering someone isn't justified, but a spade is a spade is a spade.
Oh sure, it's fine when you do it. But if Donald Trump tries it, everyone loses their minds.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on January 23, 2016, 08:34:17 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:17:23 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/al66ia.jpg)

He was such a great student that Yale Law gave him his acceptance letter a month and a half before they start to mail them out!

Wrong place. In any event this reads either like a troll or like a fantasy of someone who leads a shit life.  But I guess a black guy lying about getting into law school is fucking hilarious UP. I'm so glad you're out here to share this guys shame.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:37:55 pm
Quote from: davedan on January 23, 2016, 08:34:17 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:17:23 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/al66ia.jpg)

He was such a great student that Yale Law gave him his acceptance letter a month and a half before they start to mail them out!

Wrong place. In any event this reads either like a troll or like a fantasy of someone who leads a shit life.  But I guess a black guy lying about getting into law school is fucking hilarious UP. I'm so glad you're out here to share this guys shame.

Except a moderator is threatening to ban anybody who questions the story:

https://archive.is/kAGW6 (https://archive.is/kAGW6)

Quote
FUCK YEAH OP.

Ok- anyone claiming this story is fake=banned

anyone claiming the south isn't really that racist= banned

Love, your black mod from the south
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on January 23, 2016, 08:40:14 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:17:23 pm
-snip-

He was such a great student that Yale Law gave him his acceptance letter a month and a half before they start to mail them out!

I dunno, sounds to me like one of your white supremacist buddies went for a painfully obvious caricature of a black guy.

It's a sad day when there's so little essjay around that you have to make up your own.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:37:55 pm
Except a moderator is threatening to ban anybody who questions the story:
Quote
FUCK YEAH OP.

Ok- anyone claiming this story is fake=banned

anyone claiming the south isn't really that racist= banned

Love, your black mod from the south

Okay, that part is actually funny and it's even more hilarious that you fell for it. Still, wrong thread.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 23, 2016, 08:49:25 pm
Quote
Oh sure, it's fine when you do it. But if Donald Trump tries it, everyone loses their minds.

Yeah, no, me blocking someone on social media isn't equivalent to Trump literally wanting to close off the entire USA from nonwhite people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on January 24, 2016, 02:20:32 am
Quote from: Ironchew on January 23, 2016, 08:40:14 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:17:23 pm
-snip-

He was such a great student that Yale Law gave him his acceptance letter a month and a half before they start to mail them out!

I dunno, sounds to me like one of your white supremacist buddies went for a painfully obvious caricature of a black guy.

It's a sad day when there's so little essjay around that you have to make up your own.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:37:55 pm
Except a moderator is threatening to ban anybody who questions the story:
Quote
FUCK YEAH OP.

Ok- anyone claiming this story is fake=banned

anyone claiming the south isn't really that racist= banned

Love, your black mod from the south

Okay, that part is actually funny and it's even more hilarious that you fell for it. Still, wrong thread.

He always falls for it. Fuck he needs people to write in blue font here or he thinks they're being super cereal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 24, 2016, 10:35:03 am
Quote from: davedan on January 24, 2016, 02:20:32 am
Quote from: Ironchew on January 23, 2016, 08:40:14 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:17:23 pm
-snip-

He was such a great student that Yale Law gave him his acceptance letter a month and a half before they start to mail them out!

I dunno, sounds to me like one of your white supremacist buddies went for a painfully obvious caricature of a black guy.

It's a sad day when there's so little essjay around that you have to make up your own.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:37:55 pm
Except a moderator is threatening to ban anybody who questions the story:
Quote
FUCK YEAH OP.

Ok- anyone claiming this story is fake=banned

anyone claiming the south isn't really that racist= banned

Love, your black mod from the south

Okay, that part is actually funny and it's even more hilarious that you fell for it. Still, wrong thread.

He always falls for it. Fuck he needs people to write in blue font here or he thinks they're being super cereal.

Fell for?  What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on January 24, 2016, 10:49:09 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:37:55 pm
Except a moderator is threatening to ban anybody who questions the story:

https://archive.is/kAGW6 (https://archive.is/kAGW6)

Quote
FUCK YEAH OP.

Ok- anyone claiming this story is fake=banned

anyone claiming the south isn't really that racist= banned

Love, your black mod from the south

You know dip shit, if this is the important part of what you are trying to share with us, THEN INCLUDE IT IN YOUR INITIAL FUCKING POST TO BEGIN WITH!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on January 24, 2016, 12:41:22 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 24, 2016, 10:35:03 am
Quote from: davedan on January 24, 2016, 02:20:32 am
Quote from: Ironchew on January 23, 2016, 08:40:14 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:17:23 pm
-snip-

He was such a great student that Yale Law gave him his acceptance letter a month and a half before they start to mail them out!

I dunno, sounds to me like one of your white supremacist buddies went for a painfully obvious caricature of a black guy.

It's a sad day when there's so little essjay around that you have to make up your own.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 23, 2016, 08:37:55 pm
Except a moderator is threatening to ban anybody who questions the story:
Quote
FUCK YEAH OP.

Ok- anyone claiming this story is fake=banned

anyone claiming the south isn't really that racist= banned

Love, your black mod from the south

Okay, that part is actually funny and it's even more hilarious that you fell for it. Still, wrong thread.

He always falls for it. Fuck he needs people to write in blue font here or he thinks they're being super cereal.

Fell for?  What are you talking about?

In colloquial terms, to "fall for" something means that others played a joke on you, and without noticing it, you allowed the joke to occur. I believe that Davedan is referencing your long line of posts going after other members for trollbaiting you (specifically Niam).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 24, 2016, 04:29:16 pm
This is the only reason I don't think UP is a crazy troll somewhere shitting himself with laughter. He's so goddamned earnest.

Or if he is a troll, he's a bloody good one!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 24, 2016, 10:17:06 pm
Huh? I just found out that Wendy's serves chicken nuggets? Thanks UP! Learn something new every day. Like, I probably haven't been to Wendy's since they started serving chicken nuggets. How many years (decades?!) have I deprived myself of Wendy's chicken nuggets because I Just Did Not Know? 







Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sleepy on January 24, 2016, 11:00:32 pm
Their chicken nuggets are superb, I tell you. You should definitely try them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 24, 2016, 11:20:20 pm
I shall. Really this is the first time I've gleaned a genuinely useful bit of info from any of his posts. That's a chicken nugget flavored needle in a flaming huge hay stack, ya know?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 24, 2016, 11:21:22 pm
But is it an ethical chicken nugget needle?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 24, 2016, 11:41:35 pm
Well, I'm quite sure Wendy's does not use that free range, vegetarian diet-fed, humanely slaughtered and unionized processing facility Sharia Law chicken. Wendy Nuggets are made from hot blooded 'Murrican factory chickens that have Breasteses So Huge their hearts can't handle the strain, so they faint and flop over when they jiggle inside their tiny conveyor belt cages (with their beaks cut off first, of course). So yeah. It's Ethical.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 24, 2016, 11:44:40 pm
Well good. Because otherwise we'd get to spend the next two years hearing about it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 25, 2016, 12:04:50 am
Cluckin' Bell: Suffering Never Tasted This Good!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 25, 2016, 12:24:10 am
Quote from: mellenORL on January 24, 2016, 11:41:35 pm
Well, I'm quite sure Wendy's does not use that free range, vegetarian diet-fed, humanely slaughtered and unionized processing facility Sharia Law chicken. Wendy Nuggets are made from hot blooded 'Murrican factory chickens that have Breasteses So Huge their hearts can't handle the strain, so they faint and flop over when they jiggle inside their tiny conveyor belt cages (with their beaks cut off first, of course). So yeah. It's Ethical.
No, no, no-was the chicken ethical. Did it make the limited decisions it could from the confines of it's tiny factory cell in the most moral and ethical manner possible for an upstanding chicken given its position?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 25, 2016, 01:32:55 am
Make sure all your meals are made ETHICALLY!

* Every meal must declare its support and adulation for hardcore gamers.
* Every table must have Vivian James' holy visage drawn upon it.
* Every utencil must be made of the finest silver your affluent upbringing can afford.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on January 25, 2016, 09:29:01 am
⬅ Flame and Burn is over there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 25, 2016, 09:39:11 am
Special today - flame broiled chicken breasteses.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on January 25, 2016, 09:47:50 am
I for one don't have any sympathy for the chicken. I think they're asking for it. At least they've made a pretty good industry from being nuggets.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 25, 2016, 09:56:32 am
Ever worked with chickens?  Its painful enough to either make you vegan, or turn you into an extreme carnivore like me.  I hate chickens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on January 25, 2016, 10:38:18 am
I like them when they are done in hot and spicy
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 25, 2016, 05:23:55 pm
Chickens are alright by me, but roosters can fuck right off. Noisy little cunts.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on January 25, 2016, 09:08:54 pm
I have a lovely soup pot for any roosters you don't want,  Art.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 25, 2016, 09:12:27 pm
Go for it. Hell, I'll throw in the sexual favour of your choice for every rooster within earshot that you get rid of.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Delirium on January 25, 2016, 09:28:46 pm
Goddammit, now I'm craving chicken nuggets.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on January 26, 2016, 02:13:07 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/3MdC2vA.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 26, 2016, 02:24:09 pm
To be fair, pomegranates do look fucking gross.

To be fairer, I can see how opened-up pomegranates could evoke gore in the minds of some.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 26, 2016, 03:12:34 pm
On the other hand, "tag your pomegranates asswipe" is an actual thing that person said.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 26, 2016, 03:56:20 pm
Pomegranates are hard to eat, but fucking delicious.  Honestly, if you can't tell the difference between a fruit and an internal organ, you need your eyes checked, because you're probably legally frigging blind.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on January 26, 2016, 05:34:27 pm
I can't eat them cause they cause stomach cramps for me, despite the fact they are fucking delicious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on January 26, 2016, 05:35:21 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 26, 2016, 03:12:34 pm
On the other hand, "tag your pomegranates asswipe" is an actual thing that person said.

No he said: "tag your gore/pomegranates asswipe" That's fucking hilarious. In Brisbane apparently having a pomegranate tree used to be code that the owner was gay. Back before the 1980s when it was still illegal.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 26, 2016, 05:40:24 pm
Quote from: Even Then on January 26, 2016, 02:24:09 pm
To be fair, pomegranates do look fucking gross.

To be fairer, I can see how opened-up pomegranates could evoke gore in the minds of some.

If a surgeon opened you up and you looked like that then something would be terribly wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 26, 2016, 05:54:41 pm
Mostly because you would be very, VERY dead.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 26, 2016, 06:25:50 pm
And made of fruit apparently.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Delirium on January 26, 2016, 07:03:42 pm
But what if I'm posting about The Color of Pomegranates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Color_of_Pomegranates)?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 26, 2016, 07:57:41 pm
You're a terrible person who must be punished.

Ironbite-by vigorous spankings while wearing a schoolgirl outfit.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 26, 2016, 10:35:30 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/1585hj7.jpg)

Ever notice how many trans headcanons are based on idiotic stereotypes?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on January 26, 2016, 10:36:24 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 26, 2016, 10:35:30 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/1585hj7.jpg)

Ever notice how many trans headcanons are based on idiotic stereotypes?

Quit being a bigot, that totes makes sense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on January 27, 2016, 12:57:15 am
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/cce5e81727c128f041ba668b8e47a62a/tumblr_o1jril3LNU1u00qgto1_540.png)

I do not know what either of those are, but I doubt I'll ever hear of them outside Tumblr.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on January 27, 2016, 03:53:39 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on January 26, 2016, 10:36:24 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 26, 2016, 10:35:30 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/1585hj7.jpg)

Ever notice how many trans headcanons are based on idiotic stereotypes?

Quit being a bigot, that totes makes sense.

Agreed; while it's almost certainly not true, it's not really a bad headcanon either and I can see how it might make sense.

I'm still hoping Poe/Finn becomes a thing though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 27, 2016, 05:45:20 pm
Quote from: Captain Random on January 27, 2016, 03:53:39 pm
Quote from: The_Queen on January 26, 2016, 10:36:24 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 26, 2016, 10:35:30 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/1585hj7.jpg)

Ever notice how many trans headcanons are based on idiotic stereotypes?

Quit being a bigot, that totes makes sense.

Agreed; while it's almost certainly not true, it's not really a bad headcanon either and I can see how it might make sense.

I'm still hoping Poe/Finn becomes a thing though.
And I don't care who ends up with who, I just want to see a space opera with sweet lightsaber battles and spaceship dogfights.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 27, 2016, 08:42:14 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on January 26, 2016, 10:35:30 pm
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/1585hj7.jpg)

Ever notice how many trans headcanons are based on idiotic stereotypes?

Ever notice how people's headcanons are totally inconsequential in every way and bundling them with behaviour actually worth criticising makes anti-SJ look like dicks?

No, I'm not relenting on this line.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 27, 2016, 09:42:31 pm
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/9fqm9t.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on January 28, 2016, 12:17:33 am
Good luck removing sexualization of violence. You're literally fighting Rule 34 at that point: everything is a turn on to somebody.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 28, 2016, 12:20:22 am
Most of those people are me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on January 28, 2016, 05:18:59 am
Quote from: Svata on January 27, 2016, 05:45:20 pm
And I don't care who ends up with who, I just want to see a space opera with sweet lightsaber battles and spaceship dogfights.

Yeah, that's still basically what I want in the end ;)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 28, 2016, 05:45:41 am
Glad we agree!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 28, 2016, 10:36:57 pm
Apparently, it's okay to creepily film white people who wear dreads (http://angryinkeddrunk.tumblr.com/post/138095939134/yung-nami-angryinkeddrunk-yung-nami-this).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 28, 2016, 11:02:07 pm
I really hate how "cultural appropriation" is a concept that people actually take seriously. Granted, I'm sure that idiot would find some other stupid cause to film people in the name of, but it still irks me all the same.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 29, 2016, 12:43:54 am
The dread locks thing ticks me off, because it is oblivious. Before people had the time and tech to consistently comb their hair every day, it dreaded up, whether you were black, white, red, yellow, or brown. Long hair is going to get matted. That's all the fuck dreads are - matted, tangled long hair.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on January 29, 2016, 01:56:30 am
I remember the "crust punks" who did the whole dreads thing but I always figured it had more to do with pissing off mum than Rastafarianism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 29, 2016, 08:49:56 am
Unless on certain people who actually look good in dreads, I always associate the hairstyle with filthy, worthless hippies who reek of patchouli and bong water.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 29, 2016, 09:38:55 am
Yeah, that has been my experience of a lot of dread wearers. Also, there are fewer than 35 million Rastafari in the world. And in Jamaica, where the sect began, slightly over 5% of the population are Rastafari. Seems not too many people believe Haile Selassi I of Ethiopia was the actual second incarnation of Jebus Spliff on Eart'. Including Haile Selassi, himself :/ .
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on January 29, 2016, 11:42:06 am
Besides, I think the Spartans were known for wearing dreadlocks.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on January 29, 2016, 02:45:11 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on January 29, 2016, 09:38:55 am
Yeah, that has been my experience of a lot of dread wearers. Also, there are fewer than 35 million Rastafari in the world. And in Jamaica, where the sect began, slightly over 5% of the population are Rastafari. Seems not too many people believe Haile Selassi I of Ethiopia was the actual second incarnation of Jebus Spliff on Eart'. Including Haile Selassi, himself :/ .

"Slightly over 5%" is still significant. For comparison, Jews are only about 0.25% of the U.S. population.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on January 29, 2016, 06:25:55 pm
White people cany actually do dreadlocks without completely destroying it. White hair required it to matt together and clump, raising the hydrophobicity to water cant sluice through it. Black hair doesnt matt when dreads are forming, so they can still be cleaned
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 29, 2016, 07:37:05 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on January 29, 2016, 02:45:11 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on January 29, 2016, 09:38:55 am
Yeah, that has been my experience of a lot of dread wearers. Also, there are fewer than 35 million Rastafari in the world. And in Jamaica, where the sect began, slightly over 5% of the population are Rastafari. Seems not too many people believe Haile Selassi I of Ethiopia was the actual second incarnation of Jebus Spliff on Eart'. Including Haile Selassi, himself :/ .

"Slightly over 5%" is still significant. For comparison, Jews are only about 0.25% of the U.S. population.

It's surprisingly insignificant because Jamaica is where the religion was founded.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 29, 2016, 08:10:47 pm
...I didn't even know it was a religion. I thought it was just yet another trendy subculture.

If anyone needs me, I'll be reading the wikipeds.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on January 29, 2016, 08:32:51 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on January 29, 2016, 07:37:05 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on January 29, 2016, 02:45:11 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on January 29, 2016, 09:38:55 am
Yeah, that has been my experience of a lot of dread wearers. Also, there are fewer than 35 million Rastafari in the world. And in Jamaica, where the sect began, slightly over 5% of the population are Rastafari. Seems not too many people believe Haile Selassi I of Ethiopia was the actual second incarnation of Jebus Spliff on Eart'. Including Haile Selassi, himself :/ .

"Slightly over 5%" is still significant. For comparison, Jews are only about 0.25% of the U.S. population.

It's surprisingly insignificant because Jamaica is where the religion was founded.

Compared to ~2% Mormons in the United States despite the LDS church being founded in the U.S., that's not so bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 29, 2016, 08:48:43 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on January 29, 2016, 08:32:51 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on January 29, 2016, 07:37:05 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on January 29, 2016, 02:45:11 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on January 29, 2016, 09:38:55 am
Yeah, that has been my experience of a lot of dread wearers. Also, there are fewer than 35 million Rastafari in the world. And in Jamaica, where the sect began, slightly over 5% of the population are Rastafari. Seems not too many people believe Haile Selassi I of Ethiopia was the actual second incarnation of Jebus Spliff on Eart'. Including Haile Selassi, himself :/ .

"Slightly over 5%" is still significant. For comparison, Jews are only about 0.25% of the U.S. population.

It's surprisingly insignificant because Jamaica is where the religion was founded.

Compared to ~2% Mormons in the United States despite the LDS church being founded in the U.S., that's not so bad.

Mormonism is specifically a Utah thing, wherein it's 62% of the population. Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 29, 2016, 09:16:11 pm
It started in upstate New York, though, didn't it?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 29, 2016, 09:24:09 pm
So did most of the western and interior states that aren't on the coast.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 30, 2016, 01:31:50 am
(http://puu.sh/mP3oO/4e93579788.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 30, 2016, 01:44:41 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 30, 2016, 01:31:50 am
(http://puu.sh/mP3oO/4e93579788.jpg)


That's stupid. You're stupid! Stop being stupid! But seriously, this is fucking dumb. What makes using this different than using condoms? How does this encourage any of that? What the fuuuuuuuck?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 30, 2016, 01:55:51 am
I mean, yeah, people could potentially abuse the technology and/or use it as an excuse in a manner vaguely similar to what sophisticatedstephanie is fearing. People abuse technology, the winter is cold and snow is white.

Still, that's a particularly slippery slippery slope argument.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 30, 2016, 02:12:50 am
Quote from: Even Then on January 30, 2016, 01:55:51 am
I mean, yeah, people could potentially abuse the technology and/or use it as an excuse in a manner vaguely similar to what sophisticatedstephanie is fearing. People abuse technology, the winter is cold and snow is white.

Still, that's a particularly slippery slippery slope argument.
The "abuses" of which she speaks are just plain pants on head retarded. Last I checked, infertility is not a license to rape.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 30, 2016, 02:26:53 am
Well, yeah, like I said she's sliding down a slope so slippery that it's practically a vertical wall.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 30, 2016, 02:41:36 am
Not a slope so much as a jump out of a helicopter.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on January 30, 2016, 02:43:31 am
That third one's the only one that has a significant likelihood of being a thing, really.

Then again, I really shouldn't have faith in a planet that supports Trump.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 30, 2016, 07:53:55 am
Meh, I'd still take a regular vasectomy.  Its not something I want "on" at any time.  The only use I have for an infant is as a garnish.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on January 30, 2016, 09:30:04 am
Cannibalism. FQA answers stupidity with pro-active Darwinism. I am all for it. Eat The Rich. Eat The Stupid. Clear the Internet.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on January 30, 2016, 11:42:03 am
Quote from: mellenORL on January 30, 2016, 09:30:04 am
Cannibalism. FQA answers stupidity with pro-active Darwinism. I am all for it. Eat The Rich. Eat The Stupid. Clear the Internet.

Rich, poor, whoever wanders by the grill.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 30, 2016, 01:55:07 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 30, 2016, 07:53:55 am
Meh, I'd still take a regular vasectomy.  Its not something I want "on" at any time.  The only use I have for an infant is as a garnish.

On the other hand, it would be a lot easier to convince today's idiot doctors to give you a sperm switch, because then you can answer their idiot question of "but what if you want kids someday?" with "then I'll turn the switch on, you moron, now make it so I can't have kids."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on January 30, 2016, 02:11:31 pm
It would be great contraceptive option for couples. No getting pregnant on accident but no hassle of using condoms or pills either and switching it off is easier than it is with regular vasectomy or the implants that women are given.

Though, with casual sex with strangers condoms can't be beat until we get a cure/vaccine for all STDs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on January 30, 2016, 02:56:28 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 30, 2016, 01:55:07 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 30, 2016, 07:53:55 am
Meh, I'd still take a regular vasectomy.  Its not something I want "on" at any time.  The only use I have for an infant is as a garnish.

On the other hand, it would be a lot easier to convince today's idiot doctors to give you a sperm switch, because then you can answer their idiot question of "but what if you want kids someday?" with "then I'll turn the switch on, you moron, now make it so I can't have kids."

The other easy answer to that question is, "What if I want kids someday? I'll adopt."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on January 30, 2016, 03:25:52 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on January 30, 2016, 02:56:28 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 30, 2016, 01:55:07 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 30, 2016, 07:53:55 am
Meh, I'd still take a regular vasectomy.  Its not something I want "on" at any time.  The only use I have for an infant is as a garnish.

On the other hand, it would be a lot easier to convince today's idiot doctors to give you a sperm switch, because then you can answer their idiot question of "but what if you want kids someday?" with "then I'll turn the switch on, you moron, now make it so I can't have kids."

The other easy answer to that question is, "What if I want kids someday? I'll adopt."

These are idiot doctors, though. They don't seem to accept that answer.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 30, 2016, 04:20:32 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on January 30, 2016, 02:56:28 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 30, 2016, 01:55:07 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 30, 2016, 07:53:55 am
Meh, I'd still take a regular vasectomy.  Its not something I want "on" at any time.  The only use I have for an infant is as a garnish.

On the other hand, it would be a lot easier to convince today's idiot doctors to give you a sperm switch, because then you can answer their idiot question of "but what if you want kids someday?" with "then I'll turn the switch on, you moron, now make it so I can't have kids."

The other easy answer to that question is, "What if I want kids someday? I'll adopt."


Or even "Fine, bring me a cup to jack off into, you can freeze it for me."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 30, 2016, 06:26:19 pm
I'm all for a switch for fertility.  I've long been in favor of such a thing so that people have kids when they're ready, not when they're bodies are ready.

Ironbite-but then again I also think we're due for a major culling of the entire population via super sickness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on January 30, 2016, 06:47:31 pm
Quote from: Svata on January 30, 2016, 04:20:32 pm
Or even "Fine, bring me a cup to jack off into, you can freeze it for me."

Unless you can afford to hire a surrogate mother, freezing you gametes only works for men.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 30, 2016, 08:01:23 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on January 30, 2016, 01:55:07 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on January 30, 2016, 07:53:55 am
Meh, I'd still take a regular vasectomy.  Its not something I want "on" at any time.  The only use I have for an infant is as a garnish.

On the other hand, it would be a lot easier to convince today's idiot doctors to give you a sperm switch, because then you can answer their idiot question of "but what if you want kids someday?" with "then I'll turn the switch on, you moron, now make it so I can't have kids."

That's when I strangle them with my wallet chain.  If you have to ask that, you don't deserve to have a medical license.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on January 30, 2016, 08:05:19 pm
Please.  Like they'd ever ask a man if they want kids someday.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on January 30, 2016, 09:01:39 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 30, 2016, 06:26:19 pm

Ironbite-but then again I also think we're due for a major culling of the entire population via super sickness.

Don't rule out war just yet for human culling. The two world wars last century did pretty good for that. Plus got the economy going pretty well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 30, 2016, 09:32:04 pm
Quote from: rookie on January 30, 2016, 09:01:39 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 30, 2016, 06:26:19 pm

Ironbite-but then again I also think we're due for a major culling of the entire population via super sickness.

Don't rule out war just yet for human culling. The two world wars last century did pretty good for that. Plus got the economy going pretty well.

And then the baby boom undid all of that good work.

Honestly though, the total death toll barely put a dent in the population.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on January 30, 2016, 09:53:10 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 30, 2016, 06:26:19 pm
I'm all for a switch for fertility.  I've long been in favor of such a thing so that people have kids when they're ready, not when they're bodies are ready.

Ironbite-but then again I also think we're due for a major culling of the entire population via super sickness DINOSAURS.

Fixed that for you and made it better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on January 30, 2016, 10:21:50 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on January 30, 2016, 09:32:04 pm
Quote from: rookie on January 30, 2016, 09:01:39 pm
Quote from: ironbite on January 30, 2016, 06:26:19 pm

Ironbite-but then again I also think we're due for a major culling of the entire population via super sickness.

Don't rule out war just yet for human culling. The two world wars last century did pretty good for that. Plus got the economy going pretty well.

And then the baby boom undid all of that good work.

Honestly though, the total death toll barely put a dent in the population.

Baby boom fucked up everything else, too.  If there weren't so many of the ornery bastards filling up voting blocs and shit, normal people might actually have a chance to get things done.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on January 31, 2016, 10:07:34 pm
Quote from: pyro on January 30, 2016, 06:47:31 pm
Quote from: Svata on January 30, 2016, 04:20:32 pm
Or even "Fine, bring me a cup to jack off into, you can freeze it for me."

Unless you can afford to hire a surrogate mother, freezing you gametes only works for men.

Much like vasectomies and sperm switches, which was what we were talking about?

(modulo trans people, of course)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 31, 2016, 10:38:32 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on January 31, 2016, 10:07:34 pm
Quote from: pyro on January 30, 2016, 06:47:31 pm
Quote from: Svata on January 30, 2016, 04:20:32 pm
Or even "Fine, bring me a cup to jack off into, you can freeze it for me."

Unless you can afford to hire a surrogate mother, freezing you gametes only works for men.

Much like vasectomies and sperm switches, which was what we were talking about?

(modulo trans people, of course)
I was going to say that, but didn't know how to do so tactfully.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on January 31, 2016, 10:54:35 pm
Quote from: Svata on January 31, 2016, 10:38:32 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on January 31, 2016, 10:07:34 pm
Quote from: pyro on January 30, 2016, 06:47:31 pm
Quote from: Svata on January 30, 2016, 04:20:32 pm
Or even "Fine, bring me a cup to jack off into, you can freeze it for me."

Unless you can afford to hire a surrogate mother, freezing you gametes only works for men.

Much like vasectomies and sperm switches, which was what we were talking about?

(modulo trans people, of course)
I was going to say that, but didn't know how to do so tactfully.

Should've said it in the form of a question, apparently.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on January 31, 2016, 11:10:20 pm
Sigma's just that good.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on February 01, 2016, 12:38:14 pm
Touché.


p.s. I thought I exempted you guys from tip-toing around my feels. Notice the signature.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on February 01, 2016, 12:51:51 pm
I've got sigs turned off. And it wasn't just for you, but for anyone who would have taken exception to my likely poorly worded way to say that.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 01, 2016, 03:46:31 pm
Quote from: pyro on February 01, 2016, 12:38:14 pm
Touché.


p.s. I thought I exempted you guys from tip-toing around my feels. Notice the signature.
Fuck you, cunt. I'm a sensitive and caring soul who would never do such a heinous fucking thing, you bastard.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on February 01, 2016, 04:10:03 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 01, 2016, 03:46:31 pm
Quote from: pyro on February 01, 2016, 12:38:14 pm
Touché.


p.s. I thought I exempted you guys from tip-toing around my feels. Notice the signature.
Fuck you, cunt. I'm a sensitive and caring soul who would never do such a heinous fucking thing, you bastard.

Now that's more like it!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cletus on February 01, 2016, 05:26:06 pm
Oh boy. I think it's time to play "Real or Poe?: Tumblr Edition"
(http://i.imgur.com/kaOCD0V.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/tkKq10y.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/MGzQKmI.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/9xdPKsq.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/pkzlf04.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/lQNSzmn.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Yh4NM4y.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/h1Qidza.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 01, 2016, 05:50:10 pm
Quote from: Cletus on February 01, 2016, 05:26:06 pm
Oh boy. I think it's time to play "Real or Poe?: Tumblr Edition"
[images snipped for size]

1 seems real, 2&3 are probably poe, 4 I have no idea, 5 is I think legit and I don't even know why it's here, 6 no idea, 7 & 8 are legit probably.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cletus on February 01, 2016, 06:31:27 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 01, 2016, 05:50:10 pm
Quote from: Cletus on February 01, 2016, 05:26:06 pm
Oh boy. I think it's time to play "Real or Poe?: Tumblr Edition"
[images snipped for size]

1 seems real, 2&3 are probably poe, 4 I have no idea, 5 is I think legit and I don't even know why it's here, 6 no idea, 7 & 8 are legit probably.
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 01, 2016, 09:53:18 pm
Huh. Well, I don't like her opinions but I like her aesthetics.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 01, 2016, 10:08:35 pm
Well, if you ever want Sigma's approval, just draw all over yourself with a sharpie, including inside your own mouth.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on February 01, 2016, 10:10:18 pm
Honestly, I don't see why 5 belongs here either. If I go to the doctor for an ear infection or depression and the doctor starts talking about something completely unrelated to that issue... yeah, that would be annoying. Let's focus on the actual issue, please. You know. The one I came to you with so you could help me with it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 01, 2016, 10:29:26 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 01, 2016, 10:08:35 pm
Well, if you ever want Sigma's approval, just draw all over yourself with a sharpie, including inside your own mouth.

Please, I don't just give out my approval to anyone who covers themselves in ink.

...it certainly helps though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on February 02, 2016, 02:36:53 am
Quote from: Even Then on February 01, 2016, 10:10:18 pm
Honestly, I don't see why 5 belongs here either. If I go to the doctor for an ear infection or depression and the doctor starts talking about something completely unrelated to that issue... yeah, that would be annoying. Let's focus on the actual issue, please. You know. The one I came to you with so you could help me with it.

Well, lets put it like this. If you go to a doctor because of an ear infection and then the doctor also notices that you have a mole that might be cancerous and wants to check that up then wouldn't you be glad that the potential cancer is discovered sooner than later? Or if a doctor asks if you smoke or drink alcohol and then talks about the dangers of those things?

...Or if you take your car to service and they find more problems than just the ones you knew about, might as well fix all of it right?

People usually only go to the doctor when they are sick with something (or think they are sick) so this is a rare opportunity for the doctor to make a quick checkup and see if there are other problems or health hazards in your lifestyle.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on February 02, 2016, 03:00:56 am
Fair enough, but from the posts themselves one can gather that

1) in the first patient's case, the body fat issue was put before the ear infection by the doctor, and the diabetes discussion occurred before addressing the ear infection
2) in the second, the doctor assumed that the patient's depression stemmed from their weight
3) the doctor did not even measure the patient's blood sugar/pressure before assuming that they needed to be reduced

And this is suspect.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on February 02, 2016, 03:13:24 am
Quote from: Even Then on February 02, 2016, 03:00:56 am
Fair enough, but from the posts themselves one can gather that

1) in the first patient's case, the body fat issue was put before the ear infection by the doctor, and the diabetes discussion occurred before addressing the ear infection
2) in the second, the doctor assumed that the patient's depression stemmed from their weight
3) the doctor did not even measure the patient's blood sugar/pressure before assuming that they needed to be reduced

And this is suspect.

In the first case (entirely from what I can gather from your sentence; I haven't read the source), diabetics with ear infections have an increased risk of the infection escaping the outer ear into other parts of the head. Figuring out if the patient is diabetic is important when you're deciding on the treatment.

The first part does not sound suspect.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on February 02, 2016, 11:39:54 am
Are we assuming that the#5 author is being completely honest as far as what happened?

ETA: We're assuming that the doctor's diagnosis wasn't an ear infection, pain meds, now if ze were to drop # of pounds that ze wouldn't get as many infections or they wouldn't be as severe? It wasn't, as the op would have us believe, "My ear hurts" "No shit, Shamu.  Try running; from the fridge! Lolololol!"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cletus on February 02, 2016, 02:55:20 pm
Quote from: rookie on February 02, 2016, 11:39:54 am
Are we assuming that the#5 author is being completely honest as far as what happened?

ETA: We're assuming that the doctor's diagnosis wasn't an ear infection, pain meds, now if ze were to drop # of pounds that ze wouldn't get as many infections or they wouldn't be as severe? It wasn't, as the op would have us believe, "My ear hurts" "No shit, Shamu.  Try running; from the fridge! Lolololol!"?
I suspect that a fair amount of this post was the product of someone blowing the whole thing out of proportion. In all serious though, getting pissed off at your doctor for telling you that your weight poses a risk to your health. It's like complaining that your doctor told you to not have unprotected sex, or reduce drinking.

Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 01, 2016, 09:53:18 pm
Huh. Well, I don't like her opinions but I like her aesthetics.
That's an older picture, here's a more recent one. 1000% pure feminine sexiness.
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 02, 2016, 06:48:24 pm
Quote from: Cletus on February 02, 2016, 02:55:20 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 01, 2016, 09:53:18 pm
Huh. Well, I don't like her opinions but I like her aesthetics.
That's an older picture, here's a more recent one. 1000% pure feminine sexiness.

Seems kind of a low blow to criticise a trans woman for not being feminine enough.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cletus on February 02, 2016, 08:27:04 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 02, 2016, 06:48:24 pm
Quote from: Cletus on February 02, 2016, 02:55:20 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 01, 2016, 09:53:18 pm
Huh. Well, I don't like her opinions but I like her aesthetics.
That's an older picture, here's a more recent one. 1000% pure feminine sexiness.

Seems kind of a low blow to criticise a trans woman for not being feminine enough.

Would it be a low blow to criticism Ahuviya for being a hateful, violent, antisemetic sexual harasser who's been kicked out of various left wing establishments on the west coast, wastes their SS checks on tattoos, attempted to shit on a Holocaust memorial, and generally acts like an asshole?
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Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on February 02, 2016, 08:49:44 pm
Been there, thought that.

I got over obsessing about lolcows a few years back when I stopped visiting /cwc/. (EDIT: But I'm still jonesing for new Sonichu comics.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cletus on February 02, 2016, 09:00:54 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on February 02, 2016, 08:49:44 pm
Been there, thought that.

I got over obsessing about lolcows a few years back when I stopped visiting /cwc/. (EDIT: But I'm still jonesing for new Sonichu comics.)
You didn't hear? Chris finished the Christmas special from a few years ago. https://kiwifar.ms/threads/fb-10-25-chris-uploads-new-sonichu-11-pages.13812/#post-1054542 (https://kiwifar.ms/threads/fb-10-25-chris-uploads-new-sonichu-11-pages.13812/#post-1054542)
He also maced a GameStop employee.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 02, 2016, 09:03:23 pm
Quote from: Cletus on February 02, 2016, 08:27:04 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 02, 2016, 06:48:24 pm
Quote from: Cletus on February 02, 2016, 02:55:20 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 01, 2016, 09:53:18 pm
Huh. Well, I don't like her opinions but I like her aesthetics.
That's an older picture, here's a more recent one. 1000% pure feminine sexiness.

Seems kind of a low blow to criticise a trans woman for not being feminine enough.

Would it be a low blow to criticism Ahuviya for being a hateful, violent, antisemetic sexual harasser who's been kicked out of various left wing establishments on the west coast, wastes their SS checks on tattoos, attempted to shit on a Holocaust memorial, and generally acts like an asshole?
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No, I don't think so.

I'm not defending Ahuviya, if that's what you got from that. As far as I know she is a thoroughly unpleasant human being.

Just, y'know, there are things that are worth criticising her over and things that are not.

(also, apparently this has to come up every time Ahuviya is discussed, but don't use male pronouns for her)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 06, 2016, 12:03:39 am
(http://oi67.tinypic.com/2zdxj5u.jpg)

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to hate Ted Cruz.  But this is absurd.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on February 06, 2016, 12:11:22 am
I can't words to that post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 06, 2016, 04:03:00 am
To be fair, you really do not know where that Ted Cruz has been.

Better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on February 06, 2016, 04:26:40 pm
Turns out I support Sanders, because I want a man according to Gloria Steinnem
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/129335/feminist-gloria-steinem-says-young-women-support-bernie-want-attention-boys (https://newrepublic.com/minutes/129335/feminist-gloria-steinem-says-young-women-support-bernie-want-attention-boys)
Gloria, you've done a lot of wonderful things for women, but that is some serious grade A sjw bs right there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 06, 2016, 04:34:06 pm
Oh really?  Well then.

Ironbite-I'm totally on board with all of Bernie Sander's economic policies.  Wanna bang?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: nickiknack on February 06, 2016, 04:37:57 pm
Quote from: ironbite on February 06, 2016, 04:34:06 pm
Oh really?  Well then.

Ironbite-I'm totally on board with all of Bernie Sander's economic policies.  Wanna bang?

For you, of course.   But we were planning on banging over our mutual love of Star Wars, supporting Sanders is just icing on the cake. ;D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 06, 2016, 05:14:02 pm
WOOT!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on February 06, 2016, 05:46:01 pm
HEY GUYS WE'RE ALL GONNA GET LAID THANK YOU BASED BERNIE
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 13, 2016, 10:33:07 am
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/v7ayo9.jpg)

Do animals even experience gender dysphoria?  That's not rhetorical, I'm genuinely curious.  I know there's homosexuality in the animal kingdom, so for all I know, maybe they do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on February 13, 2016, 02:29:44 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 13, 2016, 10:33:07 am
Do animals even experience gender dysphoria?  That's not rhetorical, I'm genuinely curious.  I know there's homosexuality in the animal kingdom, so for all I know, maybe they do.

Let's use penguins as an example, mainly because penguins are cute, but also because I know that there are same-sex couples among penguins. If, rather than being a homosexual couple of two male penguins one of them instead identifies as a female... How would we know? I mean, if one of them is instead acting like a female because it identifies as a female and the other considers it a female since it behaves like one is that something that penguintologists can recognize as separate from them being a couple of gay penguins?

This raises many questions but I'm not sure if someone has already studied these kinds of things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on February 13, 2016, 08:18:52 pm
The attitude of "saying sex = gender is transphobic" doesn't really belong in WoSJ, I think. Because... "sex = gender" IS transphobic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on February 14, 2016, 12:56:03 am
Quote from: Even Then on February 13, 2016, 08:18:52 pm
The attitude of "saying sex = gender is transphobic" doesn't really belong in WoSJ, I think. Because... "sex = gender" IS transphobic.
Even when talking about animals?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on February 14, 2016, 07:32:10 am
...well, yeah. Equating sex with gender in general is. It might be more convenient when talking about animals, but ultimately it's a reinforcement of the notion that sex equals to gender. There's a possibility I'm off base, being cis and all, but that's what I think at least.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on February 14, 2016, 08:34:41 am
The point made isn't that it would somehow be harmful for animals to assign a gender to them. It's that because an animal doesn't have a gender identity the same way a human has one shouldn't refer to an animal's gender since confusing gender with sex is harmful to people's conceptions about transgenderism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 17, 2016, 03:31:45 pm
A Canadian anti-rape group got some backlash for denouncing Jian Ghomeshi while his trial is still ongoing.  Here's the group's response:

https://twitter.com/FeministCanada/status/697861378439278592 (https://twitter.com/FeministCanada/status/697861378439278592)

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We don't have to 'prove' that #JianGhomeshi assaulted women, because we #BelieveWomen.

I think Ghomeshi is an asshole, but he deserves due process as much as anybody else.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 25, 2016, 02:00:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/4UvpYet.jpg?1)

Not wanting to be stereotyped means you have internalized homophobia.  I really hope this is a troll.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on February 26, 2016, 01:15:59 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 25, 2016, 02:00:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/4UvpYet.jpg?1)

Not wanting to be stereotyped means you have internalized homophobia.  I really hope this is a troll.

No you don't, because then it wouldn't be an example of those wacky SJWs
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on February 26, 2016, 01:30:07 am
The meme could be consider internally homophobic if "cliche" means "common occurrence" so the person is essentially saying "Im not like the other gays!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on February 26, 2016, 02:11:22 am
Quote from: I am lizard on February 26, 2016, 01:30:07 am
The meme could be consider internally homophobic if "cliche" means "common occurrence" so the person is essentially saying "Im not like the other gays!"

The way I read it was basically using the word "cliche" for "stereotype", honestly. Which isn't quite accurate, but who uses perfect English?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on February 26, 2016, 03:24:09 am
There is no need to try to use linguistics and inferences to go after UltimateParagon. There is ample material in F&B.

Instigating outside of it cannot advance anything.

As for the material posted, I'm seeing it as someone trying to say that they're not a stereotype, which is all good, and then someone saying that not making your gayness readily apparent is in some way homophobic. It does however need to be said that for some people they cannot be overtly gay, as they live in a paleoconservative hellhole like the weird Theocracy / Fascist Government of Hungary.

And it comes down to personal will and expression, which the person responding to this image has no business infringing upon.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 26, 2016, 04:12:44 am
Quote from: niam2023 on February 26, 2016, 03:24:09 am
There is no need to try to use linguistics and inferences to go after UltimateParagon. There is ample material in F&B.

I actually agree with UP on this one, if a gay guy announces that they aren't into shopping, fashion or whatever that's not "internalised homophobia" because not being into shopping and fashion or being into shopping and fashion really has nothing to do with who you'd rather fuck.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on February 26, 2016, 11:50:28 am
But if you're not limp wristed and flaming, how are the rest of us supposed to know you're gay? Just like if I'm not all macho and meat headed, how is anyone else supposed to know I'm straight? Aren't people's lives supposed to be 110%centered on who sleeps with who? I like women and everything else is secondary. Dude likes men, everything beyond that is footnotes. Right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on February 26, 2016, 02:50:19 pm
If you look at the hashtag, it calls it "femmephobia".  This is actually consistent with similar posts I've seen, like one where a girl said that having tattoos and a "butch" haircut didn't make her gay or trans, and people called her out for homophobia and transphobia.  The reasoning is that, if you feel the need to fight stereotypes, then you view those qualities as "problematic" or "negative" or "bad"; why else would you feel the need to correct people if you were afraid of being associated with those traits?  This means it's becoming more difficult to fight stereotypes, because being mistaken for gay or trans shouldn't be some horrible mistake to fight against, which is what you're doing in their eyes.  By pointing out that he's not a stereotypical gay man, the responder probably saw it as a proclamation that these traits are inherently bad for gay men to have.

The way I'm seeing it is that it creates the issue of "fighting stereotypes to destroy gender roles that are the root cause of some of our social problems" vs. "letting marginalized groups uphold those same stereotypes so they that have something claim and take pride in".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2016, 05:49:59 pm
Quote from: rookie on February 26, 2016, 11:50:28 am
But if you're not limp wristed and flaming, how are the rest of us supposed to know you're gay? Just like if I'm not all macho and meat headed, how is anyone else supposed to know I'm straight? Aren't people's lives supposed to be 110%centered on who sleeps with who? I like women and everything else is secondary. Dude likes men, everything beyond that is footnotes. Right?
Shit, you're right. Fuck, I've got to go watch some football, and then beat up someone for liking a different team.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 26, 2016, 07:01:51 pm
Isn't that how Aussie gays say hello?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on February 26, 2016, 07:10:06 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2016, 05:49:59 pm
Quote from: rookie on February 26, 2016, 11:50:28 am
But if you're not limp wristed and flaming, how are the rest of us supposed to know you're gay? Just like if I'm not all macho and meat headed, how is anyone else supposed to know I'm straight? Aren't people's lives supposed to be 110%centered on who sleeps with who? I like women and everything else is secondary. Dude likes men, everything beyond that is footnotes. Right?
Shit, you're right. Fuck, I've got to go watch some football, and then beat up someone for liking a different team.

So do you barrack for Collingwood or Geelong?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2016, 07:15:32 pm
Quote from: ironbite on February 26, 2016, 07:01:51 pm
Isn't that how Aussie gays say hello?
Partly. You forgot the hot, sweaty make up sex after the fight.
Quote from: dpareja on February 26, 2016, 07:10:06 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2016, 05:49:59 pm
Quote from: rookie on February 26, 2016, 11:50:28 am
But if you're not limp wristed and flaming, how are the rest of us supposed to know you're gay? Just like if I'm not all macho and meat headed, how is anyone else supposed to know I'm straight? Aren't people's lives supposed to be 110%centered on who sleeps with who? I like women and everything else is secondary. Dude likes men, everything beyond that is footnotes. Right?
Shit, you're right. Fuck, I've got to go watch some football, and then beat up someone for liking a different team.

So do you barrack for Collingwood or Geelong?


I'm from New South Wales, so neither. In my neck of the woods, "football" means rugby league.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on February 26, 2016, 07:27:56 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2016, 07:15:32 pm
Quote from: dpareja on February 26, 2016, 07:10:06 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2016, 05:49:59 pm
Quote from: rookie on February 26, 2016, 11:50:28 am
But if you're not limp wristed and flaming, how are the rest of us supposed to know you're gay? Just like if I'm not all macho and meat headed, how is anyone else supposed to know I'm straight? Aren't people's lives supposed to be 110%centered on who sleeps with who? I like women and everything else is secondary. Dude likes men, everything beyond that is footnotes. Right?
Shit, you're right. Fuck, I've got to go watch some football, and then beat up someone for liking a different team.

So do you barrack for Collingwood or Geelong?


I'm from New South Wales, so neither. In my neck of the woods, "football" means rugby league.

Ah, my apologies. I was aware of the split, I just was unaware of which part of Australia you're from.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 26, 2016, 07:30:21 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2016, 07:15:32 pm
Quote from: ironbite on February 26, 2016, 07:01:51 pm
Isn't that how Aussie gays say hello?
Partly. You forgot the hot, sweaty make up sex after the fight.
Quote from: dpareja on February 26, 2016, 07:10:06 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2016, 05:49:59 pm
Quote from: rookie on February 26, 2016, 11:50:28 am
But if you're not limp wristed and flaming, how are the rest of us supposed to know you're gay? Just like if I'm not all macho and meat headed, how is anyone else supposed to know I'm straight? Aren't people's lives supposed to be 110%centered on who sleeps with who? I like women and everything else is secondary. Dude likes men, everything beyond that is footnotes. Right?
Shit, you're right. Fuck, I've got to go watch some football, and then beat up someone for liking a different team.

So do you barrack for Collingwood or Geelong?


I'm from New South Wales, so neither. In my neck of the woods, "football" means rugby league.
Aaah, the game where the players beat each other up so the fans can relax.

No worries then.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2016, 07:32:50 pm
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on February 26, 2016, 07:30:21 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2016, 07:15:32 pm
Quote from: ironbite on February 26, 2016, 07:01:51 pm
Isn't that how Aussie gays say hello?
Partly. You forgot the hot, sweaty make up sex after the fight.
Quote from: dpareja on February 26, 2016, 07:10:06 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on February 26, 2016, 05:49:59 pm
Quote from: rookie on February 26, 2016, 11:50:28 am
But if you're not limp wristed and flaming, how are the rest of us supposed to know you're gay? Just like if I'm not all macho and meat headed, how is anyone else supposed to know I'm straight? Aren't people's lives supposed to be 110%centered on who sleeps with who? I like women and everything else is secondary. Dude likes men, everything beyond that is footnotes. Right?
Shit, you're right. Fuck, I've got to go watch some football, and then beat up someone for liking a different team.

So do you barrack for Collingwood or Geelong?


I'm from New South Wales, so neither. In my neck of the woods, "football" means rugby league.
Aaah, the game where the players beat each other up so the fans can relax.

No worries then.
That and occasionally pull each other's pants down.

Honestly, it happens far more often than you'd think.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 29, 2016, 12:46:43 am
People are getting upset about a white actor being cast to play Iron Fist (http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/marvel-commits-to-white-iron-fist-despite-racist-roots).  Why is this so stupid?  Because Iron Fist is white!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on February 29, 2016, 01:11:32 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 29, 2016, 12:46:43 am
People are getting upset about a white actor being cast to play Iron Fist (http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/marvel-commits-to-white-iron-fist-despite-racist-roots).  Why is this so stupid?  Because Iron Fist is white!
Upset? Dickens just seems to be disappointed that they didn't go to a new direction with a character. There is no wharrgarble in the tone, it's just an opinion why she thinks a well written Asian Iron Fist would have been a more interesting idea. She isn't calling the change racist so I don't find her opinion stupid.

I disagree with her since changing a martial arts based super hero's ethnicity to Asian opens a whole another can of stereotype worms. Keeping him non-Asian and just changing the backstory to a less offensive one seems to be a better option.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 29, 2016, 01:14:11 am
Quote from: SCarpelan on February 29, 2016, 01:11:32 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 29, 2016, 12:46:43 am
People are getting upset about a white actor being cast to play Iron Fist (http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/marvel-commits-to-white-iron-fist-despite-racist-roots).  Why is this so stupid?  Because Iron Fist is white!
Upset? Dickens just seems to be disappointed that they didn't go to a new direction with a character. There is no wharrgarble in the tone, it's just an opinion why she thinks a well written Asian Iron Fist would have been a more interesting idea. She isn't blaming anyone of racism so I don't find her opinion stupid.

I disagree with her since changing a martial arts based super hero's ethnicity to Asian opens a whole another can of stereotype worms. Keeping him non-Asian and just changing the backstory to a less offensive one seems to be a better option.

...You know, that's a very good point.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on February 29, 2016, 09:09:18 am
Quote from: SCarpelan on February 29, 2016, 01:11:32 am
Keeping him non-Asian and just changing the backstory to a less offensive one seems to be a better option.

Is that, like, at all possible?

Th criticism is that the very storyline of white dude travels to Exotic Asian Culture and inherits mystical power is a racist trope (whether you agree or not with this assessment, that's what's being criticised). I'm not sure there's any change that can make the story less racist while still keep the essentials of the backstory (and if you change the backstory you get a different group angry at you).

But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on February 29, 2016, 01:28:59 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on February 29, 2016, 09:09:18 am
Quote from: SCarpelan on February 29, 2016, 01:11:32 am
Keeping him non-Asian and just changing the backstory to a less offensive one seems to be a better option.

Is that, like, at all possible?

Th criticism is that the very storyline of white dude travels to Exotic Asian Culture and inherits mystical power is a racist trope (whether you agree or not with this assessment, that's what's being criticised). I'm not sure there's any change that can make the story less racist while still keep the essentials of the backstory (and if you change the backstory you get a different group angry at you).

But I could be wrong.
Exotication is a part of the Mighty Whitey trope but it's not the defining property and I don't find that part too offensive. It's also difficult to avoid when dealing with this kind of story. Mighty Whitey is mostly about a white character exceptionally excelling in something that is significant and particular to the native culture. Rand becomes Mighty Whitey when he is the first and only non-Asian who inherits the power. Making his ethnicity less significant by injecting some ethnic diversity to the history of the Iron Fist -title is IMO the easiest way to distance the story from the trope.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on February 29, 2016, 04:42:44 pm
You want an Asian Martial Artist Super Hero?  Shang Chi.

Ironbite-BOOM!  Problem solved.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on February 29, 2016, 09:42:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/C96NzEj.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on February 29, 2016, 09:51:17 pm
I'm trying to come up with something to say to that, but the batshit stench is so over whelming I can't think.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 01, 2016, 12:06:14 am
About what can and can't be considered appropriation:

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Besides, what makes the naysayers voices more important than the ones who encourage it?

Because cultural appropriation hurts the people who speak out against it, while the naysayers claiming that everything is to be shared are basically unaffected

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Instead of promoting segregation, we should be promoting cultural exchange and knowledge so we can slowly correct some of the negative stereotypes.

Not everything relating to culture is to be shared. Not every part of a culture is up for the consumption of outsiders. That's not segregation, that's cultural preservation in an Imperialist and Colonialist society that simultaneously destroys and monetizes cultures.

And who gets to decide that?  Who gets to decide what gets to be shared and what is "too sacred" to share?  By you're own reasoning, nothing can be shared ever because if even one person complains, their opinion is the one that's held as absolutely sacred while the voices of the other people of the same culture are silenced and trampled because "they don't matter unless they're hurting enough".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 01, 2016, 12:54:01 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 29, 2016, 09:42:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/C96NzEj.jpg)
Weird how a lot of seperatists like that are also TERFS who'll team up with the craziest most patriarchal redpillers in the MRA/MGTOW pile if it helps stomp on trans people.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 01, 2016, 03:16:43 am
That's not weird at all. They agree on several things.

Like that trans people are evil creepy weirdos and that PIV sex is man's dominance over a woman. ...It's just that they disagree whether that latter thing is bad or not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 02, 2016, 07:29:43 am
(http://i.imgur.com/dB2n4pL.jpg)

...I suppose it could be a poe?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 02, 2016, 08:18:55 am
Well one would fucking hope so, I've heard some dopey shit on the internet but this is something else.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 02, 2016, 08:53:37 am
Quote from: Askold on March 02, 2016, 07:29:43 am
(http://i.imgur.com/dB2n4pL.jpg)

...I suppose it could be a poe?


I could sorta see a point if what they were going for was "The trauma from being violated comes from how you feel; if you consented but you wish you hadn't this can feel the same as if you were raped". It would obviously be wrong if they then followed with "and therefore send that asshole to jail", but it seems they are explicitly not doing that; if "rape doesn't require a rapist" then the other person involved is, y'know, not a rapist and doesn't deserve to be punished.

I'd rather they phrased it as 'person' rather than 'woman' but what can you do.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 02, 2016, 12:23:25 pm
Well, man can't get raped what with patriarchy and all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 02, 2016, 01:02:01 pm
Sigma's theory is the kind assumption. Honestly though, a single tweet won't give enough info to really know what they think about this. Are they the type of feminist who thinks that only women can be victims of rape? Is it a troll? I don't know.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lady Evil on March 02, 2016, 05:20:29 pm
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 01, 2016, 12:54:01 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 29, 2016, 09:42:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/C96NzEj.jpg)
Weird how a lot of seperatists like that are also TERFS who'll team up with the craziest most patriarchal redpillers in the MRA/MGTOW pile if it helps stomp on trans people.

Poor woman. She never heard of the Cowgirl/Reverse Cowgirl positions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 02, 2016, 05:58:32 pm
Quote from: Lady Evil on March 02, 2016, 05:20:29 pm
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 01, 2016, 12:54:01 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on February 29, 2016, 09:42:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/C96NzEj.jpg)
Weird how a lot of seperatists like that are also TERFS who'll team up with the craziest most patriarchal redpillers in the MRA/MGTOW pile if it helps stomp on trans people.

Poor woman. She never heard of the Cowgirl/Reverse Cowgirl positions.

Or femdom. And seems to be in denial about the existence of consensual sex between a man and a woman for that matter as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rageaholic on March 08, 2016, 11:30:11 am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaminah-khan/10-ways-to-be-a-better-male-feminist_b_4227969.html

or "10 ways to make feminism look more like a cult than a movement for equality" (particularly the last point).  The author seems like a total CUNT.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 08, 2016, 11:41:34 am
...how is it bad to remind men that they don't intimately understand misogyny, because they haven't lived it? Or encourage them to stand against misogyny in their everyday life? Honestly, most of this article is fairly reasonable: don't presume you know the thing better than the person actually living the thing, don't expect back pats for being a male feminist, don't get offended if you're not automatically trusted etc.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 12:05:11 pm
Quote from: Even Then on March 08, 2016, 11:41:34 am
...how is it bad to remind men that they don't intimately understand misogyny, because they haven't lived it? Or encourage them to stand against misogyny in their everyday life? Honestly, most of this article is fairly reasonable: don't presume you know the thing better than the person actually living the thing, don't expect back pats for being a male feminist, don't get offended if you're not automatically trusted etc.

Well, the article's not entirely unreasonable, but there are a few things I take issue with.  Let me give some examples.

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Under the guise of "feminism," men have sexually harassed and raped women whose trust they'd gained, used their positions of influence to bully and silence women (Hugo Schwyzer, anyone?) and even gotten away with murder. No, you probably won't do any of those things-- but we can't be sure of that. So be prepared for a little hostility.

Translation: "Expect to be presumed guilty until proven innocent."

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Your buddies all tell rape jokes. They make you feel awkward, but you don't say anything because you don't want to be That Guy -- the one who kills the buzz, the one who's the PC Police all the time. You smile awkwardly when your bestie tells women to make him a sandwich even though you think it's not really that funny, and you let yourself be drawn into discussions that degrade women even though that's not your intent.

Yeah, that needs to stop.

If you want to do something concrete -- and I'm guessing you do -- this is the best place to start. Call out sexism when you see it. Tell your buddies those rape jokes aren't cool. Roll your eyes at your friend's sandwich jokes and tell him he's being an ass. When you witness street harassment, step up and say something. Be the guy who doesn't let other guys talk shit about women behind their backs. Be the guy who never lets "she was asking for it" stand.

Translation: "Edgy jokes are a Big Fucking DealTM and you should call out your friends for doing something that doesn't hurt anything except the feelings of people who may not even be present.  Also, jokes with friends are morally equivalent to sexual harassment."

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I think I've kept my tone fairly light thus far, but most of the time, if I'm talking about social justice, I'm pretty goddamn angry. This is a natural response to being discriminated against for being a woman for my entire life. I know that anger can be very confronting and a little off-putting, but there are reasons for that, those reasons being that a) the reality of existence as a female in our society is pretty confronting, and b) being faced with brutal, unpleasant truths is naturally very off-putting.

You might be tempted to say something about catching more flies with honey. The thing is, we're not trying to catch flies. We're trying to change the world, and you don't change the world with niceness (believe me, even Gandhi was a manipulative old bastard -- no activist is ever as serene as they may seem). As my dad was fond of saying: the reasonable man adapts himself to the world, whereas the unreasonable man adapts the world to himself; therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

We're the unreasonable women, and we're adapting the world to ourselves, because that's how you get things done. Telling us to calm down is tone policing, and if you'd like an explanation of why that's a terrible thing to do, click that link above and prepare to feel like you've just been slapped in the face repeatedly by several angry women all at once.

Translation: "It's unreasonable to expect us to present our arguments in a rational, civilized manner.  And if we can't win hearts and minds by shrieking like barn owls with megaphones, it's society's fault.  Besides, we don't need the support of the masses for change to take hold.  It's not like public relations are important or anything."

Also, the fact that there's no comments section?  Bit of a red flag.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 08, 2016, 12:29:25 pm
Honestly, that does sound like the standard cult treatment where you are made to feel like you are worthless or at least a horrible sinner and that the poor treatment you get is something that you deserve. Bonus points for how the only way for you to be a good person is by enduring that treatment and still being loyal with a promise of redemption somewhere in the future.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 08, 2016, 01:11:08 pm
Quote from: Askold on March 08, 2016, 12:29:25 pm
Honestly, that does sound like the standard cult treatment where you are made to feel like you are worthless or at least a horrible sinner and that the poor treatment you get is something that you deserve. Bonus points for how the only way for you to be a good person is by enduring that treatment and still being loyal with a promise of redemption somewhere in the future.

...so, the Catholic Church?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 08, 2016, 01:14:09 pm
I disagree. "Your people have hurt us, so don't expect to be automatically trusted" is reasonable in my opinion. If a white person wanted to be part of a BLM rally, one would expect there to be some distrust at first because white people systemically fuck black people over in the USA. It's the same principle, yes?

and I really don't think "what do you want, a fucking medal for advocating for women" equates to "you are a worthless, horrible sinner" but w/e

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on March 08, 2016, 02:01:35 pm
Except the fact that it is, y'know, half of earth's population you're automatically assuming to be untrustworthy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 08, 2016, 02:09:40 pm
Is it really so rare for men to support feminism or whites to support minorities that anyone claiming so is likely to be scheming something?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 08, 2016, 02:12:43 pm
And the inescapable fact that it is still guilt by association. And the article itself comes off less like "here's how to help the cause" and more like "your opinions don't matter so sit down, shut up and listen to your vaginal overlords." Acting like a misandrist is not the way to combat misogyny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 02:19:03 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 08, 2016, 01:11:08 pm
Quote from: Askold on March 08, 2016, 12:29:25 pm
Honestly, that does sound like the standard cult treatment where you are made to feel like you are worthless or at least a horrible sinner and that the poor treatment you get is something that you deserve. Bonus points for how the only way for you to be a good person is by enduring that treatment and still being loyal with a promise of redemption somewhere in the future.

...so, the Catholic Church?

Not exactly.  For one thing, the Catholic Church teaches that all humans are sinners.

Quote from: Even Then on March 08, 2016, 01:14:09 pm
I disagree. "Your people have hurt us, so don't expect to be automatically trusted" is reasonable in my opinion. If a white person wanted to be part of a BLM rally, one would expect there to be some distrust at first because white people systemically fuck black people over in the USA. It's the same principle, yes?

and I really don't think "what do you want, a fucking medal for advocating for women" equates to "you are a worthless, horrible sinner" but w/e

Do you honestly believe that all white Americans willingly and knowingly take part in keeping African-Americans down?  Certainly, black people are systematically discriminated against, but to hold all white people responsible for it is ridiculous.  There are many, many white people who are against the discrimination faced by black people.  Many white people have worked for the betterment of African-Americans in both the past and the present, and this will most likely be true in the future.  Some, like James Reeb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Reeb), actually died because they tried to help blacks.

In any case, why should people be judged by the color of their skin or by their genitalia?  I believe that people should be judged as individuals.  And if a white person wants to take part in a BLM rally, that kind of implies that they care enough about African-Americans to be willing to take action.

I'm not asking for a medal.  All I'm asking is to be treated like a human being.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 08, 2016, 02:19:09 pm
Irrational, sure. However,

- the article specifically refers to people who call themselves male feminists having hurt and abused women under that pretext ,which is a way smaller subset
- the matter isn't "individual men have harmed women", it is "'man' as a social class fucks over women (and men)". Distrust is, in my opinion, more understandable when it's the latter.

And honestly, people aren't entitled to trust and thinking otherwise is, well, entitled as nobs. If I, a Finn, tried to enter a Sami space as a Sami advocate and got treated with apprehension, I wouldn't think "those uppity Sami are being unreasonable" because Finland as a nation and Finns as a group do fuck the Sami over on a structural level.

For me, the article comes off as "listen to the people actually experiencing the thing instead of assuming".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 08, 2016, 02:24:59 pm
She's trying to make some good points, but is not a professional writer. Writing regular blogposts does not automatically mean you are gifted at communicating concepts, or will manage to clearly convey your intent to everybody.

The format she used managed to make her points come off as very condescending, as if she's working hard at dumbing it down for the boys, when I think her intent was to try to make it conversational and non-threatening. Oops. Also, I think she may be inexperienced enough that she is a bit paranoid around men in general, but that is a common trait for just about all younger women.

Negative experiences with men tend to make women wary by nature, and those experiences happen to all women at least once during their life times. I've had some close calls, and a couple of minor physical assaults, typical of most women in the world. Even though I know these incidents were outliers and a matter of bad luck, it's natural to be wary because of them. With age and "practice", most women outgrow at least the conscious wariness around unknown men, but believe me, it's still there in the background.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 08, 2016, 03:13:38 pm
I'm just gonna be over here listening to Mellen (she's got a gold head on her shoulders) and flicking packing peanuts at the rest of ya.

Flick, flick.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 08, 2016, 03:23:09 pm
Seconding the notion of Mellen's cranium being composed of a precious metal of some description or another.

But I'm dropping this, because it's becoming clear that these different views can't be reconciled or if they can, it would be more frustrating and draining than I honestly feel I have the energy for. I do like being happy every now and then too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on March 08, 2016, 04:09:09 pm
Eh, no sweat. I see where you're coming from, and you have a point. And Mellen made it clearer. Poor communication/word choice happens.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 08, 2016, 04:31:00 pm
Quote
I see where you're coming from

I guess that's all I ask for in the end. And it's not that I can't see your perspectives; it's that I can't agree with them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on March 08, 2016, 06:28:47 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 02:19:03 pm
Not exactly.  For one thing, the Catholic Church teaches that all humans are sinners.

As if that's better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 08, 2016, 07:19:15 pm
I agree with pyro - casting humans as damned from the get go by some crime committed eons ago creates a narrative that quiverfulls and dominionists are happy to extrapolate upon.

That humans are without the ability to redeem themselves by themselves, and that they should surrender their worth as individuals to a higher power.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 08, 2016, 07:31:16 pm
My main issue with Christianity, summed up pretty nicely.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 08, 2016, 10:00:09 pm

Quote from:  Ultimate Paragon
Translation: "Edgy jokes are a Big Fucking DealTM and you should call out your friends for doing something that doesn't hurt anything except the feelings of people who may not even be present.  Also, jokes with friends are morally equivalent to sexual harassment."

Where does she say the jokes are just between friends? If your friends are making these jokes and don't do so recognizing their wrong then it clearly a sign of a bigger problem.
 


Quote from:  Ultimate Paragon
Translation: "It's unreasonable to expect us to present our arguments in a rational, civilized manner.  And if we can't win hearts and minds by shrieking like barn owls with megaphones, it's society's fault.  Besides, we don't need the support of the masses for change to take hold.  It's not like public relations are important or anything."

I'd post some MLK, but to be honest his Birmingham letter is a bit of a cliche at this point, so Im going with Will Loyd:

Quote
I am aware, that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth, and as uncompromising as justice. On this subject, I do not wish to think, or speak, or write, with moderation. No! no! Tell a man whose house is on fire, to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hand of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; -- but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD. The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal, and to hasten the resurrection of the resurrection of he deed.

Quote from: Damen on March 08, 2016, 02:12:43 pm
And the inescapable fact that it is still guilt by association. And the article itself comes off less like "here's how to help the cause" and more like "your opinions don't matter so sit down, shut up and listen to your vaginal overlords." Acting like a misandrist is not the way to combat misogyny.
Would a particle physicist be wrong to tell a non particle physicist their opinion in particle physics is less valuable?

Would someone who's experienced racism all their life be wrong to tell a white person their opinion in racism is less valuable?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 10:17:26 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 08, 2016, 10:00:09 pm

Quote from:  Ultimate Paragon
Translation: "Edgy jokes are a Big Fucking DealTM and you should call out your friends for doing something that doesn't hurt anything except the feelings of people who may not even be present.  Also, jokes with friends are morally equivalent to sexual harassment."

Where does she say the jokes are just between friends? If your friends are making these jokes and don't do so recognizing their wrong then it clearly a sign of a bigger problem.
 
Except there are a lot of rape victims who tell rape jokes as a coping mechanism.

(http://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/jhtocbl.png?w=1570&h=1020)

Quote from: I am lizard on March 08, 2016, 10:00:09 pm
Quote from:  Ultimate Paragon
Translation: "It's unreasonable to expect us to present our arguments in a rational, civilized manner.  And if we can't win hearts and minds by shrieking like barn owls with megaphones, it's society's fault.  Besides, we don't need the support of the masses for change to take hold.  It's not like public relations are important or anything."

I'd post some MLK, but to be honest his Birmingham letter is a bit of a cliche at this point, so Im going with Will Loyd:

Quote
I am aware, that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth, and as uncompromising as justice. On this subject, I do not wish to think, or speak, or write, with moderation. No! no! Tell a man whose house is on fire, to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hand of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; -- but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present. I am in earnest -- I will not equivocate -- I will not excuse -- I will not retreat a single inch -- AND I WILL BE HEARD. The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal, and to hasten the resurrection of the resurrection of he deed.

I have no clue who Will Loyd is.

More to the point, there's a difference between being passionate and being needlessly offensive.  It's not "tone policing" to ask somebody to be less hateful.  What I'm talking about is content, not tone.  I don't really mind if social justice activists get loud, or angry, or even profane.  My problem comes when they start being outright hateful.

Furthermore, being obnoxious all the time is counterproductive.  Sometimes it's understandable, even justified.  But there's a time and place.

Quote from: I am lizard on March 08, 2016, 10:00:09 pm
Quote from: Damen on March 08, 2016, 02:12:43 pm
And the inescapable fact that it is still guilt by association. And the article itself comes off less like "here's how to help the cause" and more like "your opinions don't matter so sit down, shut up and listen to your vaginal overlords." Acting like a misandrist is not the way to combat misogyny.
Would a particle physicist be wrong to tell a non particle physicist their opinion in particle physics is less valuable?

Would someone who's experienced racism all their life be wrong to tell a white person their opinion in racism is less valuable?

The difference is that particle physics are a matter of objective fact.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 08, 2016, 10:26:41 pm
"Stop being so angry about being treated as lesser, you're inconveniencing me."

...okay, NOW I'm dropping this.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 10:45:44 pm
Quote from: Even Then on March 08, 2016, 10:26:41 pm
"Stop being so angry about being treated as lesser, you're inconveniencing me."

...okay, NOW I'm dropping this.

I explicitly stated that my problem wasn't with the tone.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 08, 2016, 10:54:19 pm
Nice showing of toxic misogyny on International Women's Day. UP's been producing his fair share but I'll have to hand it to rageaholic for so obviously relishing using the word "CUNT" in its most derogatory, misogynistic sense.

This thread is a real class act.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 08, 2016, 11:09:28 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 10:17:26 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 08, 2016, 10:00:09 pm

Quote from:  Ultimate Paragon
Translation: "Edgy jokes are a Big Fucking DealTM and you should call out your friends for doing something that doesn't hurt anything except the feelings of people who may not even be present.  Also, jokes with friends are morally equivalent to sexual harassment."

Where does she say the jokes are just between friends? If your friends are making these jokes and don't do so recognizing their wrong then it clearly a sign of a bigger problem.
 
Except there are a lot of rape victims who tell rape jokes as a coping mechanism.

You do know why Jewish people get a pass telling Jewish jokes right, or why African Americans don't come off as insulting when they call their mates the N word? It's because they aren't punching down so much as sideways.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 10:17:26 pm
More to the point, there's a difference between being passionate and being needlessly offensive.  It's not "tone policing" to ask somebody to be less hateful.  What I'm talking about is content, not tone.  I don't really mind if social justice activists get loud, or angry, or even profane.  My problem comes when they start being outright hateful.

UP having a problem with the content of what the eeevil SJWs say? Would you prefer they not say such hateful things would you prefer they *hoarse whisper* self censor?

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 10:17:26 pm
The difference is that particle physics are a matter of objective fact.

It's objectively true that lots of people are different from one another. You know, some poor, some rich, some black, some white, some never having experienced rape others less lucky. What's your point?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 11:25:17 pm
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 08, 2016, 11:09:28 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 10:17:26 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 08, 2016, 10:00:09 pm

Quote from:  Ultimate Paragon
Translation: "Edgy jokes are a Big Fucking DealTM and you should call out your friends for doing something that doesn't hurt anything except the feelings of people who may not even be present.  Also, jokes with friends are morally equivalent to sexual harassment."

Where does she say the jokes are just between friends? If your friends are making these jokes and don't do so recognizing their wrong then it clearly a sign of a bigger problem.
 
Except there are a lot of rape victims who tell rape jokes as a coping mechanism.

You do know why Jewish people get a pass telling Jewish jokes right, or why African Americans don't come off as insulting when they call their mates the N word? It's because they aren't punching down so much as sideways.

Except, as I've already demonstrated, not even that is okay with these people.

As for punches and the direction thereof, there are serious flaws with the argument.  The main problem with the "punching up/down" rhetoric is that anybody can convince themselves they're punching up.  For example, Swedish racists have convinced themselves that immigrants are a privileged group, so in their mind, they're "punching up" when they joke about how white feminists need to be "culturally enriched."

Things get even murkier when intersectionality comes into play.  For example:

(http://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/xrj7q.jpg?w=1000&h=710)

Would you consider this "punching up" or "punching down?"

Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 08, 2016, 11:09:28 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 10:17:26 pm
More to the point, there's a difference between being passionate and being needlessly offensive.  It's not "tone policing" to ask somebody to be less hateful.  What I'm talking about is content, not tone.  I don't really mind if social justice activists get loud, or angry, or even profane.  My problem comes when they start being outright hateful.

UP having a problem with the content of what the eeevil SJWs say? Would you prefer they not say such hateful things would you prefer they *hoarse whisper* self censor?

Oh, I recognize their right to say it.  I'm not going to try and pressure them to stop saying it.  But it needs to be recognized that I have every right to criticize them saying it.

Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 08, 2016, 11:09:28 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 10:17:26 pm
The difference is that particle physics are a matter of objective fact.

It's objectively true that lots of people are different from one another. You know, some poor, some rich, some black, some white, some never having experienced rape others less lucky. What's your point?

My point is that lived experiences are no substitute for hard evidence.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 08, 2016, 11:44:21 pm
Dude. Hard evidence, please define it in context? You would rather women just talk about feminist issues using what? Statistics? Here, use this body of a murdered prostitute to help demonstrate those stats. She won't interrupt.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 11:49:31 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on March 08, 2016, 11:44:21 pm
Dude. Hard evidence, please define it in context? You would rather women just talk about feminist issues using what? Statistics? Here, use this body of a murdered prostitute to help demonstrate those stats. She won't interrupt.

There's nothing inherently wrong with using lived experiences or emotional appeals.  But they ought to be backed up with logic and evidence to make a sound argument.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 08, 2016, 11:56:02 pm
Maybe I owe my guy an apology. Because I'm reading UP's words as trying to pass off past experience as inferior reasons for present actions. Not as good as hard evidence?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 11:57:10 pm
Quote from: rookie on March 08, 2016, 11:56:02 pm
Maybe I owe my guy an apology. Because I'm reading UP's words as trying to pass off past experience as inferior reasons for present actions. Not as good as hard evidence?

I'm talking about in terms of arguments, not actions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 09, 2016, 12:00:18 am
Ah. Mea culpa.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 09, 2016, 12:01:26 am
Quote from: rookie on March 09, 2016, 12:00:18 am
Ah. Mea culpa.

It's fine.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 09, 2016, 12:12:20 am
I would like to point out that a one in anything chance of something happening is still a chance. Someone has to be that 1 in 5 or 10 or 100 or 1,000,000. Someone wins the lottery. And any decision based on what you're calling reason has to be made with the possible downside, or whatever you'd call populating the Cons side.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 09, 2016, 12:43:04 am
UP keeps talking about "harmless jokes" but the fact is that if someone tells you that joking about subject X hurts them, then it is not an harmless joke. Not only that, but even though the jokes may not have been aware that their joke hurt someone earlier now they do know it and continuing to make those jokes is now just being mean on purpose or simple ignorance on how they are being rude and hurtful.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 09, 2016, 12:44:03 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 11:25:17 pm
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 08, 2016, 11:09:28 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 10:17:26 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 08, 2016, 10:00:09 pm

Quote from:  Ultimate Paragon
Translation: "Edgy jokes are a Big Fucking DealTM and you should call out your friends for doing something that doesn't hurt anything except the feelings of people who may not even be present.  Also, jokes with friends are morally equivalent to sexual harassment."

Where does she say the jokes are just between friends? If your friends are making these jokes and don't do so recognizing their wrong then it clearly a sign of a bigger problem.
 
Except there are a lot of rape victims who tell rape jokes as a coping mechanism.

You do know why Jewish people get a pass telling Jewish jokes right, or why African Americans don't come off as insulting when they call their mates the N word? It's because they aren't punching down so much as sideways.

Except, as I've already demonstrated, not even that is okay with these people.
"Demonstrating" that some individual arsehole said something assholish demonstrates fuck all about any group of people, "these people", those people or those people over there.

And yes that goes for whoever it was who thought that prison rape was social justice. It demonstrates only that this particular wanker is a wanker.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 11:25:17 pm
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 08, 2016, 11:09:28 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 10:17:26 pm
More to the point, there's a difference between being passionate and being needlessly offensive.  It's not "tone policing" to ask somebody to be less hateful.  What I'm talking about is content, not tone.  I don't really mind if social justice activists get loud, or angry, or even profane.  My problem comes when they start being outright hateful.

UP having a problem with the content of what the eeevil SJWs say? Would you prefer they not say such hateful things would you prefer they *hoarse whisper* self censor?

Oh, I recognize their right to say it.  I'm not going to try and pressure them to stop saying it.  But it needs to be recognized that I have every right to criticize them saying it.

Great, so we can all safely ignore this as it's just more whinging about SJWs rustling your jimmies while not actually doing you any harm. Got it.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 11:25:17 pm
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 08, 2016, 11:09:28 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 10:17:26 pm
The difference is that particle physics are a matter of objective fact.

It's objectively true that lots of people are different from one another. You know, some poor, some rich, some black, some white, some never having experienced rape others less lucky. What's your point?

My point is that lived experiences are no substitute for hard evidence.
A lived experience is an objective fact. If someone is born black and indigenous in Alice Springs in Australia you'd better believe their experience with racism is going to be different to someone who was born white there.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on March 09, 2016, 12:44:39 am
I for one welcome My Vaginal Overlords and wait patiently to do their bidding.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on March 09, 2016, 12:44:50 am
Today, we feature a debate between the immovable object and the unstoppable force. In one corner, it is Ultimate Paragon. In the other, it is Ultimate Paragon. First word to Paragon, what do you have to say.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 08, 2016, 11:49:31 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on March 08, 2016, 11:44:21 pm
Dude. Hard evidence, please define it in context? You would rather women just talk about feminist issues using what? Statistics? Here, use this body of a murdered prostitute to help demonstrate those stats. She won't interrupt.

There's nothing inherently wrong with using lived experiences or emotional appeals.  But they ought to be backed up with logic and evidence to make a sound argument.

Compelling argument. Ultimate Paragon, your turn.

Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on December 26, 2014, 11:11:28 am
Quote from: The_Queen on December 25, 2014, 10:58:10 pm
but instead of either side doing anything, we are bickering at one another in an online squabble. And that is exactly what you want. You want us to go into the internet and find these people to bicker. Nobody on this board has said DCS. Nobody I have met in real life has said that and I have over 100 transsexuals’ phone numbers in my phone. Quite frankly, I’ve always felt that the majority of people saying DCS are cissexual trolls, but there isn’t going to be a poll that can show this and I am speaking from anecdote.

Then why bring it up?

So much intellectual dishonesty.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 09, 2016, 01:42:56 am
Quote from: Askold on March 09, 2016, 12:43:04 am
UP keeps talking about "harmless jokes" but the fact is that if someone tells you that joking about subject X hurts them, then it is not an harmless joke. Not only that, but even though the jokes may not have been aware that their joke hurt someone earlier now they do know it and continuing to make those jokes is now just being mean on purpose or simple ignorance on how they are being rude and hurtful.

Oh, I agree.  Telling jokes only to hurt other people is really dickish.  But there's a simple rule: telling jokes about a certain topic around people comfortable with them is fine.  Making those kinds of jokes around people who've made it clear that they don't like them is hurtful.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 09, 2016, 01:45:34 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 09, 2016, 01:42:56 am
Quote from: Askold on March 09, 2016, 12:43:04 am
UP keeps talking about "harmless jokes" but the fact is that if someone tells you that joking about subject X hurts them, then it is not an harmless joke. Not only that, but even though the jokes may not have been aware that their joke hurt someone earlier now they do know it and continuing to make those jokes is now just being mean on purpose or simple ignorance on how they are being rude and hurtful.

Oh, I agree.  Telling jokes only to hurt other people is really dickish.  But there's a simple rule: telling jokes about a certain topic around people comfortable with them is fine.  Making those kinds of jokes around people who've made it clear that they don't like them is hurtful.
And who else is "around" if you tell the joke on the World Wide Web?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 09, 2016, 01:46:31 am
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 09, 2016, 01:45:34 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 09, 2016, 01:42:56 am
Quote from: Askold on March 09, 2016, 12:43:04 am
UP keeps talking about "harmless jokes" but the fact is that if someone tells you that joking about subject X hurts them, then it is not an harmless joke. Not only that, but even though the jokes may not have been aware that their joke hurt someone earlier now they do know it and continuing to make those jokes is now just being mean on purpose or simple ignorance on how they are being rude and hurtful.

Oh, I agree.  Telling jokes only to hurt other people is really dickish.  But there's a simple rule: telling jokes about a certain topic around people comfortable with them is fine.  Making those kinds of jokes around people who've made it clear that they don't like them is hurtful.
And who else is "around" if you tell the joke on the World Wide Web?

Well, obviously, it depends on the platform used, among other things.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 09, 2016, 01:55:44 am
Wow, Ultimate Paragon's reached Donald Trump levels.

I wonder if his hair resembles the pubes of an undead warlock too...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 09, 2016, 11:03:37 am
As Tol so succinctly put it, lived experiences are hard evidence. So is a murder victim's body, which gives mute testimony of a lived experience so intense, it became a death experience. Otherwise, there would be no such thing as witness testimony and presentation of physical evidence in court. So, let me just re-name lived experience as witness testimony.

Contrast this with "witnessing" for Jesus is, i.e., people expressing their emotions to others in context of their experiences and beliefs. Although I become bored and annoyed when a Christian "testifies" or "witnesses" to me for more than ten seconds, I would not be so disrespectful as to call them out for being brainwashed. I would just make an excuse to leave. They are just gushing with happiness like an innocent, deluded child. There are no hard facts being discussed, just emotional reactions to coincidence and hyper application of pattern recognition.

However, if some woman described her lived experiences of male domination, such as being constantly interrupted by a douche bag during board meetings, but you don't like her choice of words or angry tone, maybe just focus on the particulars, the facts in the testimony. Although she is not testifying in a court of law, she is not in a debate contest, she has not spoken where she should expect her testimony to be judged as worthy of your approval, her testimony could nevertheless be admitted in court. She is describing actual events that really happened in real time, which others present at that same event could corroborate. Unlike someone witnessing their Happy Jesus Feels because gawdamighty made the bus run late, just so they could made it to work on time.

Everybody ultimately exists as a thinking, feeling entity inside their own head. Sometimes opening a window into that mental reality can expose some harsh or disturbing imagery. Life can be very harsh and disturbing. If you had a harsh and disturbing experience and expressed your feelings about it, I seriously doubt you would tolerate being judged by strangers as to the tone or word choice or on the facts of the incident you lived through.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 09, 2016, 02:54:35 pm
Okay, I think I see the problem.  We seem to be working off two different definitions of "lived experiences."  From what I can tell, you and Tol are using the traditional definition, which focuses on the events themselves; that is to say, the objective truth of what happened.  I, on the other hand, am using the newer definition.  This refers not only to the events themselves, but the interpretations thereof.  That's where things start to get murky.

Before I continue, why don't you watch this Key and Peele sketch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3h6es6zh1c

While obviously exaggerated, it's a demonstration of what I'm talking about.  Most people have biases towards themselves, thinking they're in the right.  This can lead to them dismissing other people as wrong.  And sometimes, this can lead to them believing others are biased against them, which is the entire motivation for the conflict/disagreement/whatever. 

The logical extension of this is assuming that bigotry is a motivator, when that may not be the case.  Maybe a coder isn't looked down on because she's a woman, but because she hasn't mastered the language.  That's not to dismiss the possibility, of course, but negative reactions to you and the fact that you're a member of a disadvantaged group don't always overlap.  Sometimes, it's not about what you are, but about who you are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 09, 2016, 05:44:59 pm
Your example of a female coder lights a bit of fuse about an industry sector which has been plagued by over representation of dumb rude guys. Maybe change that to female astronaut, which is also a field demanding of high performance, yet is not all that notorious for having a lot of insecure nutsacs working in it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 09, 2016, 06:16:03 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on March 09, 2016, 05:44:59 pm
Your example of a female coder lights a bit of fuse about an industry sector which has been plagued by over representation of dumb rude guys. Maybe change that to female astronaut, which is also a field demanding of high performance, yet is not all that notorious for having a lot of insecure nutsacs working in it.

Yeah, I've heard about that, but how common is it?  That's not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rageaholic on March 10, 2016, 01:32:15 am
Quote from: Askold on March 08, 2016, 12:29:25 pm
Honestly, that does sound like the standard cult treatment where you are made to feel like you are worthless or at least a horrible sinner and that the poor treatment you get is something that you deserve. Bonus points for how the only way for you to be a good person is by enduring that treatment and still being loyal with a promise of redemption somewhere in the future.

That's what I thought when I read it.  Here's an exert (bolding mine)

Quote
It's hard. I know how hard it is, because there are times when I've had to do it myself. Sometimes you'll find yourself feeling offended or affronted. You'll find yourself wondering why you even bother if people aren't going to acknowledge your efforts. That's your privilege talking, and you need to learn to set all of that aside if you want to do this right.

Welcome to the new world, friend. Enjoy equality!

Replace 'privilege' with 'original sin' or 'the devil' and it starts to sound like something on Catholic Answers. 
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 12, 2016, 10:22:13 am
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2diqezp.jpg)

I have to wonder: have these people ever heard of femdom?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on March 12, 2016, 12:55:55 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 12, 2016, 10:22:13 am
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2diqezp.jpg)

No you can't. :P
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 12, 2016, 08:37:35 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 12, 2016, 10:22:13 am
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2diqezp.jpg)

I have to wonder: have these people ever heard of femdom?

Yes. They say that the fact it's rarer is evidence that male dom/femsub stuff is the result of toxic social norms.


(of course, even if it was, something being the result of toxic social norms doesn't actually make it a bad thing in itself)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 12, 2016, 11:36:34 pm
So are they saying then that a female sub who likes that kind of rough play "just doesn't know what's good for herself" and / or "is indoctrinated to be a slave"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2016, 12:48:56 am
Quote from: niam2023 on March 12, 2016, 11:36:34 pm
So are they saying then that a female sub who likes that kind of rough play "just doesn't know what's good for herself" and / or "is indoctrinated to be a slave"?

Come on, Niam, you've been here long enough to know the answer to your question is yes.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rageaholic on March 13, 2016, 01:34:37 am
On the topic of SWERFS Stop Patriarchy (http://www.stoppatriarchy.org/)  From their FAQ (http://www.stoppatriarchy.org/faqs.html)

Bolding mine

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If you are for a woman's “choice” to have an abortion, why are you against her “choice” to be in or use pornography?

We are fighting for women's liberation, not for “choice” in some abstract and individualistic sense. Frankly, it is absurd to think that every choice made by every individual woman should be defended and upheld. What if a woman chose to go out and kill a bunch of innocent people? What if she chose to do a racist comedy routine? Those are not choices that we would uphold or defend. In evaluating any behavior, the most important thing is not whether the individual genuinely chose it, but what is its social effect?

Arson, Murder, And Racist Comedy? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArsonMurderAndJaywalking)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 13, 2016, 09:43:40 am
I love how they put murder and offensive comedy together, as if they're the same level of bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2016, 10:28:59 am
To these knob goblins, they are one and the same.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on March 13, 2016, 10:23:08 pm
Okay, I bite, how does a woman using porn contribute to male-favoring norms?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 13, 2016, 10:56:28 pm
Quote from: pyro on March 13, 2016, 10:23:08 pm
Okay, I bite, how does a woman using porn contribute to male-favoring norms?

Consumption of pornography, to them, feeds ad revenue (amongst other things) into an industry that they feel is exploitative and degrading towards women.  Whether or not this is true is up for debate, barring some kind of large-scale study by a group that doesn't have its head up its ass, of course.  But, essentially, they feel that, by consuming typical (straight, cis, PIV, etc) pornography, women are ingraining the idea of male supremacy since, in a lot of porn, it could be argued that the male is seen as dominant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 14, 2016, 12:51:00 am
Quote from: rageaholic on March 13, 2016, 01:34:37 am
On the topic of SWERFS Stop Patriarchy (http://www.stoppatriarchy.org/)  From their FAQ (http://www.stoppatriarchy.org/faqs.html)

Bolding mine

Quote
If you are for a woman's “choice” to have an abortion, why are you against her “choice” to be in or use pornography?

We are fighting for women's liberation, not for “choice” in some abstract and individualistic sense.

That's the Bush Jr version of "liberation" isn't it, as in "liberating Iraq"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 14, 2016, 01:07:02 am
Basically, you're free to choose, so long as its something we like.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on March 14, 2016, 01:22:17 am
According to Mrs. Rookie, it's the freedom to make "the right" choice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 14, 2016, 01:47:23 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 12, 2016, 11:36:34 pm
So are they saying then that a female sub who likes that kind of rough play "just doesn't know what's good for herself" and / or "is indoctrinated to be a slave"?

eh, sort of? The argument is that femsubs have internalised sexist social norms and most of them (us?) wouldn't be subs in a less sexist society. Not exactly about being a slave. Unless that's what youre into.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ghoti on March 15, 2016, 04:41:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/X5X8RKj.png)
This same blogger, two posts down: "don't infantilize neurodivergent people!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 15, 2016, 04:55:14 am
"Don't deliberately set off our serious mental problems out of petty revenge" and "Treat us as adults" aren't mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 15, 2016, 08:24:16 am
I'm sympathetic to the message, but since I'm a total asshole I'm gonna say that you're a fuckin' dummy if you start shit with people who know your weakness.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 09:15:30 am
Without context I can't know for sure, but this sounds an awful lot like "I'm allowed to be an asshole, but you can't pick on me because I'm special."

Fuck that noise, if you can't swim stay out of the pool.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 15, 2016, 09:40:55 am
It could also mean "You don't have to pamper me like a baby but don't go off your way to be specifically dick towards me either." Like if you are arguing with someone over what's the best character in [insert comic book] and since they know that you have trauma relating to a certain subject they start spamming the thread with images about it knowing it will hurt you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 15, 2016, 09:56:17 am
There's a difference between "you're not allowed to say anything if I'm an asshole to you because I have mental issues" and "deliberately aggravating someone's mental issues in retaliation for being an asshole makes you an even bigger asshole, there are other ways to confront someone than to mentally abuse them like that"*.

*extrapolation of OP's post, not necessarily a reflection of my stance yada yada
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 15, 2016, 09:58:54 am
Dude, ET, we get that.  Nobody here is suggesting the latter is okay.  Thing is, a lot of these pics are describing the former, like the people who use (often self-diagnosed) Asperger's to be complete pricks to people.  Problem with that one is that there's no context, so its really hard to tell.  Alas, we're all...pretty jaded when it comes to this kinda crap.  Hell, that's why this thread started in the first place.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 15, 2016, 10:43:29 am
Fair enough, and I'm not denying the former has ever happened. I'm just also jaded when people start talking about the former, because more often than not they're misconstruing the latter to be the former. A lot of jade going around, I guess.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rageaholic on March 15, 2016, 12:09:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3BjUvjOUMc

I don't even know if I'd call this bad.  It's just really really silly.

And since when were Emoji's gendered?  That's new to me.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 15, 2016, 12:38:58 pm
It's not intentional, mind you, but more of an over-sight by people who have designed anthropomorphic emojis, not the simple circular face ones, but the ones that look like people. Pretty much all of the many anthropo emojis I've ever seen were male gendered, no doubt just meant to be the "default" sex. But that is kinda lazy. I really liked the way the girls in this video expressed themselves. It's also kind of ironic that a menstrual hygiene product maker, Always, put out a corporate sponsored PSA that should maybe specifically mention that this is a great opportunity for designers working in .GIF and HTML code to produce and "market" lots of female gendered emojis. Overall, the PSA is kinda no big deal, except, once again, I realllly liked how smart, low-key, and self confident the girls and young women were in expressing their disappointment about this, albeit relatively minor, issue.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 15, 2016, 01:48:18 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 09:15:30 am
Without context I can't know for sure, but this sounds an awful lot like "I'm allowed to be an asshole, but you can't pick on me because I'm special."

Fuck that noise, if you can't swim stay out of the pool.
Where was that implied?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 05:53:32 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2016, 01:48:18 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 09:15:30 am
Without context I can't know for sure, but this sounds an awful lot like "I'm allowed to be an asshole, but you can't pick on me because I'm special."

Fuck that noise, if you can't swim stay out of the pool.
Where was that implied?

"I don't care what it is we did..."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rageaholic on March 15, 2016, 06:12:25 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on March 15, 2016, 12:38:58 pm
It's not intentional, mind you, but more of an over-sight by people who have designed anthropomorphic emojis, not the simple circular face ones, but the ones that look like people. Pretty much all of the many anthropo emojis I've ever seen were male gendered, no doubt just meant to be the "default" sex. But that is kinda lazy. I really liked the way the girls in this video expressed themselves. It's also kind of ironic that a menstrual hygiene product maker, Always, put out a corporate sponsored PSA that should maybe specifically mention that this is a great opportunity for designers working in .GIF and HTML code to produce and "market" lots of female gendered emojis. Overall, the PSA is kinda no big deal, except, once again, I realllly liked how smart, low-key, and self confident the girls and young women were in expressing their disappointment about this, albeit relatively minor, issue.

Yeah, the add is narmy as hell, and I think the idea that emojis are hurting the girls self esteem is absurd.  However, adding more emojis isn't a bad idea.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 15, 2016, 10:09:36 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 09:15:30 am
Without context I can't know for sure, but this sounds an awful lot like "I'm allowed to be an asshole, but you can't pick on me because I'm special."

Fuck that noise, if you can't swim stay out of the pool.

Funny. I thought this same rhetoric was used to justify transphobic remarks on imageboards.

It justifies just about any bigoted insult thrown a minority's way by a sufficiently anonymous haggler. "Here's what happens when you step out of line..."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 16, 2016, 03:45:39 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2016, 09:47:52 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 05:53:32 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2016, 01:48:18 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 09:15:30 am
Without context I can't know for sure, but this sounds an awful lot like "I'm allowed to be an asshole, but you can't pick on me because I'm special."

Fuck that noise, if you can't swim stay out of the pool.
Where was that implied?

"I don't care what it is we did..."
There's a difference between "picking on someone" and "intentionally driving someone to suicide and/or giving someone a severe panic attack."

Edit: I'll put it this way: should Sig allow me to threaten to rape and murder someone if they annoy me enough?

Fuck you, you fucking fuck. I hope your dog runs away and your cat barfs on the carpet.
Your criticisms are triggering me. STOP IT.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 16, 2016, 07:39:38 am
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 16, 2016, 03:45:39 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2016, 09:47:52 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 05:53:32 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2016, 01:48:18 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 09:15:30 am
Without context I can't know for sure, but this sounds an awful lot like "I'm allowed to be an asshole, but you can't pick on me because I'm special."

Fuck that noise, if you can't swim stay out of the pool.
Where was that implied?

"I don't care what it is we did..."
There's a difference between "picking on someone" and "intentionally driving someone to suicide and/or giving someone a severe panic attack."

Edit: I'll put it this way: should Sig allow me to threaten to rape and murder someone if they annoy me enough?

Fuck you, you fucking fuck. I hope your dog runs away and your cat barfs on the carpet.
Your criticisms are triggering me. STOP IT.
But did the fucking fucking fucks cause the dog to flee and the cat to barf? That's the real question!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 18, 2016, 11:35:40 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 16, 2016, 12:31:42 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 16, 2016, 03:45:39 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2016, 09:47:52 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 05:53:32 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2016, 01:48:18 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 09:15:30 am
Without context I can't know for sure, but this sounds an awful lot like "I'm allowed to be an asshole, but you can't pick on me because I'm special."

Fuck that noise, if you can't swim stay out of the pool.
Where was that implied?

"I don't care what it is we did..."
There's a difference between "picking on someone" and "intentionally driving someone to suicide and/or giving someone a severe panic attack."

Edit: I'll put it this way: should Sig allow me to threaten to rape and murder someone if they annoy me enough?

Fuck you, you fucking fuck. I hope your dog runs away and your cat barfs on the carpet.
Your criticisms are triggering me. STOP IT.
1. You have not told me about this before and so I could not have "triggered" you intentionally
2. Being criticized is not anyone's trigger, so your strawman fails in that regard.
3. The post was talking about triggering someone when they are actually triggered by something and you know it, not whatever KiA strawman you have in your head

Also, do you consider that a nerotypical person might also overreact as well?
This blog post was presented as an example of the worst of SJ, and because it was in here and not somewhere else I tried to cast a critical eye on it to see how it could be 'bad.' There is only one way I could think of that would make this a bad example -- using it as a shield and excuse. Devoid of any context and supporting evidence it's a call you can only make a hypothetical way, but if  that unsupported hypothesis is correct then fuck that guy for doing it.

I also showed in the blog where, for me at least, you could come to that conclusion since it was absolving him/her of responsibility for their actions.

Then I want all smart-ass and showed how it could be abused.

And that brings us to here. Frankly, without any evidence one way or another about this blog, I think you're right. To try and look at it in a negative light, particularly after the point you bring up and having reread it, is disingenuous. You correctly point out that you could not have knowingly triggered me in my example, and that deliberateness of action is the key to whether or not the blog post is good or not at face value. The blogger writes "if you were considering" (full confession, I missed that part the first time around) and so is talking about a willful action on the triggerer's part and not carte blanche protection from consequences. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to say. Granted, it can still be abused if somebody wanted to, but it becomes very hard to level any criticism at the post itself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on March 18, 2016, 12:02:12 pm
Re: the rape discussion

tl;dr: The examples are not directly comparable since the contexts and ideas they express are different despite superficially similar statements.

The offensiveness is not in the form of the statement but in the idea behind it. "Teach men not to rape" is not an optimally constructed statement* but the context is different from the similar statements about blacks and Muslims. The stereotypes of blacks as criminals and Muslims as terrorists actually exist and those examples are based on and strengthen these stereotypes. Men as rapists is something only an extreme radical wing of feminism sees as a real stereotype.

The idea behind "teaching men not to rape" it is that we need to change the culture that leads to some men not taking the idea of consent seriously enough and justifies their actions. The only case where it promotes an actual stereotype is when someone who belongs to the aforementioned wing of feminism uses it. The crime statistics among African Americans and the terrorism among Muslims have more complicated causal relationships behind them and a constructive approach can't really be simplified into such a statement.

[rambling]

Actually, when I think about it more carefully, one big issue separating these examples is power. (Yes, I went there but hear me out before judging.) Rape is about subjugating the victim and the perpetrator is the one who has more power. The one who has more power in the context is the one who we need to put pressure on. Muslim terrorism is a reaction of an underdog to a political and societal issues** and the crime among African Americans is a result of economical and social circumstances.

"Teach muslims not to commit terrorism" and "teach blacks not to steal" don't have identical contexts either. Depending on the particular context in which someone uses the statement the former can actually be interpreted as an extremely flawed way of simplifying an idea worth considering. For example, the issue with power is more complicated: factions within the Muslim world hold a lot more power and carry more responsibility of terrorism than is the case when discussing African Americans and crime.

[/rambling]

* While I don't think the superficial interpretation of the flawed statement as too generalizing is a major problem there is the issue that women also commit rapes.

** Religion is naturally interwoven with these factors

Disclaimer: There are other dimensions of rape that fall outside this discussion such as its use as a weapon against civilian population.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 18, 2016, 01:06:58 pm
Er... wrong thread, SCarpelan.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 18, 2016, 01:47:14 pm
No, he's posting in the right thread.

There are a distressing number of posters on here who use WoSJ as an instrument to push their anti-SJ views. Smacking them down is needed from time to time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on March 18, 2016, 02:20:00 pm
Yeah, my comment was meant for the Not good things people say thread. Sorry about that. The threads' topics are very similar and I didn't pay attention enough.

Edit: I was first thinking of removing the post but Ironchew is right. Due to the more enthusiastic "SJWs" occasionally taking good ideas absurdly far and/or misinterpreting them people can be too eager to interpret all things brought up by the Social Justice movement in the most negative light possible. If my post serves as an example of this it serves some purpose here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 19, 2016, 09:41:00 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 18, 2016, 11:28:27 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 18, 2016, 11:35:40 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 16, 2016, 12:31:42 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 16, 2016, 03:45:39 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2016, 09:47:52 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 05:53:32 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 15, 2016, 01:48:18 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 15, 2016, 09:15:30 am
Without context I can't know for sure, but this sounds an awful lot like "I'm allowed to be an asshole, but you can't pick on me because I'm special."

Fuck that noise, if you can't swim stay out of the pool.
Where was that implied?

"I don't care what it is we did..."
There's a difference between "picking on someone" and "intentionally driving someone to suicide and/or giving someone a severe panic attack."

Edit: I'll put it this way: should Sig allow me to threaten to rape and murder someone if they annoy me enough?

Fuck you, you fucking fuck. I hope your dog runs away and your cat barfs on the carpet.
Your criticisms are triggering me. STOP IT.
1. You have not told me about this before and so I could not have "triggered" you intentionally
2. Being criticized is not anyone's trigger, so your strawman fails in that regard.
3. The post was talking about triggering someone when they are actually triggered by something and you know it, not whatever KiA strawman you have in your head

Also, do you consider that a nerotypical person might also overreact as well?
This blog post was presented as an example of the worst of SJ, and because it was in here and not somewhere else I tried to cast a critical eye on it to see how it could be 'bad.' There is only one way I could think of that would make this a bad example -- using it as a shield and excuse. Devoid of any context and supporting evidence it's a call you can only make a hypothetical way, but if  that unsupported hypothesis is correct then fuck that guy for doing it.

I also showed in the blog where, for me at least, you could come to that conclusion since it was absolving him/her of responsibility for their actions.

Then I want all smart-ass and showed how it could be abused.

And that brings us to here. Frankly, without any evidence one way or another about this blog, I think you're right. To try and look at it in a negative light, particularly after the point you bring up and having reread it, is disingenuous. You correctly point out that you could not have knowingly triggered me in my example, and that deliberateness of action is the key to whether or not the blog post is good or not at face value. The blogger writes "if you were considering" (full confession, I missed that part the first time around) and so is talking about a willful action on the triggerer's part and not carte blanche protection from consequences. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to say. Granted, it can still be abused if somebody wanted to, but it becomes very hard to level any criticism at the post itself.
Oh, okay.

Could we fight about it anyway?

Only if make-up sex will be involved.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on March 19, 2016, 06:36:09 pm
Quote from: rageaholic on March 15, 2016, 12:09:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3BjUvjOUMc

I don't even know if I'd call this bad.  It's just really really silly.

And since when were Emoji's gendered?  That's new to me.

If your daughter is depressed by a lack of representative emojis, you've seriously failed as a parent.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 20, 2016, 03:56:59 pm
Reducing being LGBT to sex only and likening it to a kink that one willingly partakes in?

it is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the straights are at it again
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 20, 2016, 04:11:55 pm
Quote from: Even Then on March 20, 2016, 03:56:59 pm
Reducing being LGBT to sex only and likening it to a kink that one willingly partakes in?

it is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the straights are at it again

To be fair, that's better than a kink that one unwillingly partakes in.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 20, 2016, 04:21:35 pm
To be fair, practitioners of BDSM are quite heavily stigmatized should their proclivity be outed.  That said, its nowhere near as bad as LGBT got it.  Still, though, got fuckers thinkin you're unbalanced if you like a little kinky sex, which is all kinda of messed up.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 20, 2016, 04:43:18 pm
Sure, one's kink preferences (as long as they're consensual, of course) shouldn't be used as a marker of one's moral character. To be fairer, though, liking it weird does not a non-hetero make; BDSM enthusiasts wanting to horn in on a group defined by being marginalized by cisheteronormativity because waah waah we want to be in that club toooo makes me legitimately angry.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 21, 2016, 10:39:24 am
Creative participatory practices or inherent sexual kinks are important to be aware of, especially if people get discriminated against because of them, but they are not the primary reason for LGBTQ rights activism, which is to redress major civil rights abuses. This is kind of a bandwagon leap, but unless discussion of sexual practices begins really obscuring or over-shadowing the dialog about civil rights and societal education about rights, it's probably not worth getting too angry about. There is a lot of internet out there. Room enough for discussing the main issues, and helping people to understand that some "taboo" activities really are not at all like what they were taught to fear.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 21, 2016, 11:20:09 am
To clarify: I have no problem with BDSM practitioners discussing the social ramifications of being into d/s or what have you. Intrinsically, that is A-OK. It's when wider LGBT discourse,  another beast altogether, is dragged into it that I start rubbing my forehead.

also finding it kinda hard to believe that BDSM is marginalized on a wider scale in a world where 50 Shades became a smash hit but idk
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 21, 2016, 11:34:14 am
Fifty Shades is the equivalent to how popular pseudo lesbian porn "helped" make lesbian and bi women seem less scary. That incredibly crappy film was a start towards eventually socially liberating the BDSM community....no matter how hard they point and laugh at it. They have my knowing sympathy. XD
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 21, 2016, 12:03:06 pm
50 Shades actually made things worse. 50 Shades of Grey had a non-consensual relationship where the victim suddenly developed Stockholm syndrome. No safe word or anything. BDSM is, when you get to the bottom of it, consensual. Everyone is there willingly and if they get too uncomfortable, if they get scare, heck even if they just get bored and don't feel like continuing THEY. CAN. STOP.

The series glorifies an abusive relationship and the "BDSM" acts in the books are sometimes done in an unsafe way and since lots and lots of people decided to try BDSM due to those books there was a documented increase in people getting injured and requiring a visit to the emergency room. ...Also a study found out that people who have read the books are more likely to suffer from eating disorders, have abusive relationships, engage in stalking and do binge drinking. Though the study was not certain if the books were causing this behaviour or if the books were simply popular among those people. And I'm not even joking, you can read about it on the Wikipedia article for the books: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Shades_of_Grey#Glorification_of_abusive_relationships
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 21, 2016, 02:21:27 pm
These are all good points. Had a brainfart and forgot that 50 Shades is to BDSM what Not Another Gay Movie is to gay people. My bad. :(
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 21, 2016, 02:51:58 pm
Also, part of 50 Shades' popularity is linked to the rise of e-readers, so people could read their erotica in public without other people being able to see what book they were reading.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 22, 2016, 10:33:32 pm
Quote from: dpareja on March 21, 2016, 02:51:58 pm
Also, part of 50 Shades' popularity is linked to the rise of e-readers, so people could read their erotica in public without other people being able to see what book they were reading.


wasn't that what swapping dust jackets was for?

Quote
This is unusual because alternative sexualities and lifestyles such as polyamoury usually are accepted as part of the queer movement, even though, like BDSM, they don't necessarily include sexual or sexuality issues in the same way as L, G, B or T issues do.

Since when is poly an uncontroversial part of queer coalitions? I've seen exactly the same arguments about including kink in LGBT on the subject of polyamoury

full disclosure: I'm a polyamorous kinky trans bisexual
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 22, 2016, 10:44:52 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on March 22, 2016, 10:33:32 pm
Quote from: dpareja on March 21, 2016, 02:51:58 pm
Also, part of 50 Shades' popularity is linked to the rise of e-readers, so people could read their erotica in public without other people being able to see what book they were reading.


wasn't that what swapping dust jackets was for?

Not if you wait for the paperback.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 23, 2016, 01:53:46 am
I have a very hard time imagining Sigma being kinky.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on March 23, 2016, 01:56:38 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 23, 2016, 01:53:46 am
I have a very hard time imagining Sigma being kinky.

I don't.

Now, I'm curious as to whether peeps think I'm kinky.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 23, 2016, 01:57:47 am
Quote from: The_Queen on March 23, 2016, 01:56:38 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 23, 2016, 01:53:46 am
I have a very hard time imagining Sigma being kinky.

I don't.

Now, I'm curious as to whether peeps think I'm kinky.

Best guess is vanilla with a touch of femdom. Though my best guess is still a wild guess.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 23, 2016, 01:58:14 am
Same here.

I keep imagining Sigma going all Moderator on the person they're with...

...I am weird.

^^ I think you probably are. Like Eiki said, for some reason mentioning kink and you brings up images of Femdom.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on March 23, 2016, 02:40:26 am
Quote from: The_Queen on March 23, 2016, 01:56:38 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 23, 2016, 01:53:46 am
I have a very hard time imagining Sigma being kinky.

I don't.

Now, I'm curious as to whether peeps think I'm kinky.

How is kink defined? We already know you have a predilection for sex toys.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on March 23, 2016, 03:36:39 am
Quote from: I am lizard on March 23, 2016, 01:30:16 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on March 22, 2016, 10:33:32 pm
Quote from: dpareja on March 21, 2016, 02:51:58 pm
Also, part of 50 Shades' popularity is linked to the rise of e-readers, so people could read their erotica in public without other people being able to see what book they were reading.


wasn't that what swapping dust jackets was for?

Quote
This is unusual because alternative sexualities and lifestyles such as polyamoury usually are accepted as part of the queer movement, even though, like BDSM, they don't necessarily include sexual or sexuality issues in the same way as L, G, B or T issues do.

Since when is poly an uncontroversial part of queer coalitions? I've seen exactly the same arguments about including kink in LGBT on the subject of polyamoury

full disclosure: I'm a polyamorous kinky trans bisexual
YOU'RE KINKY?!

Most of the best people are.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on March 23, 2016, 08:33:07 am
Quote from: niam2023 on March 23, 2016, 01:58:14 am
Same here.

I keep imagining Sigma going all Moderator on the person they're with...

...I am weird.

^^ I think you probably are. Like Eiki said, for some reason mentioning kink and you brings up images of Femdom.

"Better watch your mouth, or you're gonna get...BANNED."

Cue porn soundtrack.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on March 23, 2016, 02:04:26 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on March 23, 2016, 01:58:14 am
^^ I think you probably are. Like Eiki said, for some reason mentioning kink and you brings up images of Femdom.

It's the avatar.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 23, 2016, 11:07:44 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 23, 2016, 01:30:16 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on March 22, 2016, 10:33:32 pm
Quote from: dpareja on March 21, 2016, 02:51:58 pm
Also, part of 50 Shades' popularity is linked to the rise of e-readers, so people could read their erotica in public without other people being able to see what book they were reading.


wasn't that what swapping dust jackets was for?

Quote
This is unusual because alternative sexualities and lifestyles such as polyamoury usually are accepted as part of the queer movement, even though, like BDSM, they don't necessarily include sexual or sexuality issues in the same way as L, G, B or T issues do.

Since when is poly an uncontroversial part of queer coalitions? I've seen exactly the same arguments about including kink in LGBT on the subject of polyamoury

full disclosure: I'm a polyamorous kinky trans bisexual
YOU'RE KINKY?!

I though I'd mentioned it before? Certainly more often than being poly, which has only been going on for like a month.

Anyway, yeah.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 24, 2016, 12:41:32 pm
Quote
A good guy, a non-violent guy, a totally innocent guy would not have these kinds of charges placed against him. Period. Full stop.#Ghomeshi
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on March 24, 2016, 03:55:21 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 24, 2016, 12:41:32 pm
Quote
A good guy, a non-violent guy, a totally innocent guy would not have these kinds of charges placed against him. Period. Full stop.#Ghomeshi

The old adage where there's smoke there's fire running headlong into the presumption of innocence. I guess in some ways it is an unfortunate byproduct of a justice system that is trusted by it's people because there is an assumption that it would only act if there was compelling evidence to do so. It sucks but a widespread distrust of the justice system would probably be much worse.

Out of curiosity, are you hunting for Canadian justice issues or is Ghomeshi big enough to be international news?

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 24, 2016, 04:30:26 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on March 24, 2016, 03:55:21 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 24, 2016, 12:41:32 pm
Quote
A good guy, a non-violent guy, a totally innocent guy would not have these kinds of charges placed against him. Period. Full stop.#Ghomeshi

The old adage where there's smoke there's fire running headlong into the presumption of innocence. I guess in some ways it is an unfortunate byproduct of a justice system that is trusted by it's people because there is an assumption that it would only act if there was compelling evidence to do so. It sucks but a widespread distrust of the justice system would probably be much worse.

Out of curiosity, are you hunting for Canadian justice issues or is Ghomeshi big enough to be international news?

The latter.  I wouldn't say it's that big, but it's definitely been covered by the American media.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 24, 2016, 04:38:09 pm
And all five charges against him were dismissed today.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 24, 2016, 04:46:38 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on March 24, 2016, 04:38:09 pm
And all five charges against him were dismissed today.

Well, I guess that's that then. From the stories I read, it sounds like the people accusing him couldn't put together a convincing story. Specifically this one:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35893813 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35893813)

In particular, this pair of paragraphs:

Quote
"Each complainant was less than full, frank and forthcoming in the information they provided to the media, to the police, to Crown counsel and to this Court," Justice William Horkins wrote in his judgement.

"The evidence of each complainant suffered not just from inconsistencies and questionable behaviour, but was tainted by outright deception," he said.

"At the end of this trial, a reasonable doubt exists because it is impossible to determine, with any acceptable degree of certainty or comfort, what is true and what is false."

It sounds to me like, while the possibility certainly exists that he assaulted these women, there was a reasonable doubt. And we don't convict on "well it sounds like it".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on March 24, 2016, 05:11:01 pm
He's still going to be facing another charge in a separate trial in June:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/jian-ghomeshi-sexual-assault-trial-ruling-1.3505446
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 24, 2016, 05:54:30 pm
*screaming intensifies* (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/03/22/nus-tells-lgbt-societies-to-abolish-gay-mens-reps-because-they-dont-face-oppression/?utm_source=pinknews&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Pinknews+%28Pink+News%29)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on March 24, 2016, 06:39:11 pm
"there are problems with misogyny, racism and transphobia in LGBT circles"

okay, good, with you so fa-

"and the solution is to exclude white cis gay men"

???
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 24, 2016, 07:23:03 pm
"The National Union of Students’ LGBT Campaign has passed a motion calling for the abolition of representatives for gay men – because they “don’t face oppression” in the LGBT community." Actually, they are facing oppression in the LGBT community. By you peeps. And they face oppression pretty much everywhere else still, too. I swear, there must be a mental virus plaguing the compassion and comprehension centers of these peoples' brains.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 25, 2016, 01:30:10 am
...Aaand the comments are full of people arguing whether or not trans-women are women or not.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on March 25, 2016, 04:32:14 am
Given that "LGBT" is basically a bunch of very different groups all lumped together solely because they're not straight or cis, it's not surprising in the least that there's a bit of internal friction. If anything, I'm surprised that there isn't a hell of a lot more of it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on March 25, 2016, 11:55:52 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on March 25, 2016, 04:32:14 am
Given that "LGBT" is basically a bunch of very different groups all lumped together solely because they're not straight or cis, it's not surprising in the least that there's a bit of internal friction. If anything, I'm surprised that there isn't a hell of a lot more of it.

There is a shitload of internal friction though. There's the 'gay men aren't really oppressed' shit, there's biphobic "if you choose to be in a het relationship you're betraying the cause!", there's "Drop the T (https://www.change.org/p/human-rights-campaign-glaad-lambda-legal-the-advocate-out-magazine-huffpost-gay-voices-drop-the-t)"

And that's just from the four most accepted letters. Arguments about LGBTQ vs LGBTI vs LGBTQIA vs whatever else, does kink belong, does poly belong, do straight HIV+ people belong...

Coalition building is hard. I'm convinced we are better off fighting together against our common enemies, but that doesn't mean we'll get along wonderfully.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 25, 2016, 12:01:59 pm
Obligatory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHHitXxH-us
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on March 25, 2016, 12:38:00 pm
There's morons like Dan Savage who look out only for themselves... If Dan was straight he would be a typical conservative who looks out only for white heterosexual men (possibly with a religious touch) since he is gay he looks out for white homosexual men and is ready to throw everyone else under the bus if it helps him.

TERFs and whatnot...

UP's link is quite appropriate.

It is kinda sad that "lets make things equally good for everyone" (or just "lets be nice to everyone") is a really difficult concept and it is easier to get support for "lets make things better for US ...and barely tolerate other groups."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2016, 02:24:35 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html)

Fuck you!  That's all I have to say, fuck you!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on March 26, 2016, 02:45:57 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2016, 02:24:35 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html)

Fuck you!  That's all I have to say, fuck you!

I dunno, the moral outrage angle is dulled after you've said that to virtually every woman with an opinion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 26, 2016, 03:34:18 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2016, 02:24:35 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html)

Fuck you!  That's all I have to say, fuck you!
Huh, didn't know huffpo was written by Maoists.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 26, 2016, 03:42:46 pm
Yeah, see, that's how you kick a guy when he's down...and out...and hopelessly ensnared in a living nightmare. Angry, obsessive slacktivist blogger couldn't help but tie her intolerance to an international news story to help strip this man of his personhood. Why would anyone even believe the charge? It's North Korea, FFS. Even if he did try to take a propaganda poster, so what? You're going to defend North Korea?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on March 26, 2016, 04:53:05 pm
The comments section is nothing but bile.

And the original writer would deserve being shown exactly how it is in one of those camps for trying to justify such barbarism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 26, 2016, 05:20:45 pm
I think I understand what the point was supposed to be, but the execution is just terrible.  In the article, she uses the same arguments used here to justify the treatment of black people in society, which would be a good point, but using North Korea as the backdrop is horrible.  People who agree with this article (and the author, by the end) appropriate the suffering of North Koreans by going "hey man, we get it, we've been there" -- even if it's directed to Warmbier, North Koreans live with this reality every day; they then turn around and defend the dictatorship that causes their suffering with comments like "he deserved it for breaking their laws", for no other reason than a person from an American privileged class is finally getting knocked down a peg by them.  You can't defend a broken system (and that's a generous term here) just because it happened to punish someone you don't like.

Eric Garner, Sandra Bland, Mike Brown, and others like them, died because of American racial issues plaguing America, not because they lived in one of the worst dictatorial regimes in modern history where literally anyone and their family could be executed or be sent to a work camp.  Comparing anything in the US to North Korea just seems to really trivialize just how bad things are over there.

Also, why the hell is anyone believing North Korea's version of events on anything?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on March 26, 2016, 05:41:12 pm
I think the real tragedy here is that the guy's last name is literally "warm beer" in German. That's just a horrible thing to call yourself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: I am lizard on March 26, 2016, 10:06:15 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 26, 2016, 05:41:12 pm
I think the real tragedy here is that the guy's last name is literally "warm beer" in German. That's just a horrible thing to call yourself.
Second worst German name.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on March 27, 2016, 04:18:41 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on March 26, 2016, 02:24:35 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html)

Fuck you!  That's all I have to say, fuck you!
Eh, can't say that it's connected to "white privilege" per se.

That said, entering North Korea to steal a propaganda banner for shits and giggles is as rock-hard stupid as it gets.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on March 28, 2016, 02:11:37 am
They're talking about an annual two week long event on Flight Rising (a dragon pet site).

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/b8b77d2e99806ec1f94d14310d41aae4/tumblr_o4lveoXzcK1rigvqvo1_500.png)

So they willingly play a game that they knew would exacerbate preexisting conditions, then accuse the site of ableism when it bites them in the ass.  Participating in the coliseum isn't even required for the event (it just gives you an advantage when it comes to gathering event exclusive items).  They chose to put themselves in that position for no other reason than they wanted more holiday items, and felt that that was more important than their health.

FR might have a shitty battle system, but even if it could be considered ableist, this person's injury isn't the site's fault.  That shit's all on them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on March 28, 2016, 09:47:44 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on March 26, 2016, 10:06:15 pm
Quote from: Eiki-mun on March 26, 2016, 05:41:12 pm
I think the real tragedy here is that the guy's last name is literally "warm beer" in German. That's just a horrible thing to call yourself.
Second worst German name.

The name of the Schwartzkopf beauty supply brand makes me giggle.  Most people are trying to remove blackheads, not buy their hair gel.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on March 29, 2016, 02:06:33 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDlQ4H0Kdg8

My favorite part is when she grabs him and then claims he's touching her.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on March 29, 2016, 02:55:16 pm
Does she harass homeless white people who have involuntary natural dreads, too?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on March 29, 2016, 08:54:32 pm
That guys dread game is weak sauce.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 02, 2016, 06:48:45 pm
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/14lpk78.jpg)

(http://rampantgames.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/let-them-fight.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 02, 2016, 06:55:51 pm
SJW vs Weeaboo, WHO WILL WIN?

I'll bet $20 on the weeb, at least they might have a decorative weapon that could still do damage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 02, 2016, 07:03:19 pm
Fuck you, I'll call myself a nasteriskgga as much as I damn well please.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 03, 2016, 06:16:30 pm
Quote
Honestly really disappointed that you think this way. It is extremely short sighted for a person such as yourself to not see the obvious parallels between Drumpf and Adolf Hitler. Drumpft is undoubtedly the Hitler of our generation, and I really would have hoped that a person who has lived through it once could see it coming the second time.

Perhaps you aren't able to recognize it because he targets Mexicans and Muslim people instead? White male privilege is certainly a powerful drug...

This was said to a Holocaust survivor.  BRB, gonna pound my punching bag.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on April 03, 2016, 06:38:24 pm
It's okay, UP. I'm sure when you vote for Trump there will be at least one Holocaust survivor who agrees with you.

That's all you need to dispel the cognitive dissonance, right?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 04, 2016, 08:28:18 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on April 03, 2016, 06:38:24 pm
It's okay, UP. I'm sure when you vote for Trump there will be at least one Holocaust survivor who agrees with you.

That's all you need to dispel the cognitive dissonance, right?

Are you even trying?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on April 04, 2016, 08:29:36 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 04, 2016, 08:28:18 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on April 03, 2016, 06:38:24 pm
It's okay, UP. I'm sure when you vote for Trump there will be at least one Holocaust survivor who agrees with you.

That's all you need to dispel the cognitive dissonance, right?

Are you even trying?

Well, you're very trying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on April 04, 2016, 09:18:07 pm
Quote from: dpareja on April 04, 2016, 08:29:36 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 04, 2016, 08:28:18 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on April 03, 2016, 06:38:24 pm
It's okay, UP. I'm sure when you vote for Trump there will be at least one Holocaust survivor who agrees with you.

That's all you need to dispel the cognitive dissonance, right?

Are you even trying?

Well, you're very trying.

R O A S T E D
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rageaholic on April 08, 2016, 08:40:10 pm
Quote
+Garrett
Women will have to learn, carrying and bringing males into this world is a waste of their valuable time.
Declaring War on the female is the males default position and the male believes the female only reason for existing is so he can continually sexually abuse and degrade her, so he can feel better about himself.
She is far as he is concerned is nothing more than a punch bag to release his tension out on!

and that is why you are all on here,  you are all merely rapists agreeing with each other, and trying to determine the best way forward to retain that status quo!

You are quite right, men are far too criminal for them to ever change or even want to ..

With automation in full swing the need for men in this world will become less and less and we know idle hands are the cause for nothing but trouble and men are very good at creating that!

 The more men in this world, the more trouble especially for women who will automatically be their targets from the very start.

The message coming from the internet is loud and clear, men want to abuse and degrade women at every possible chance they can get!

This message will not fall on deaf ears one feels and women will have to decide in the very near future whether carrying males into this world is a worth while thing and what purpose would it even serve! because it won't be doing the female gender any favours anywhere at all!

How do we stop men abusing and degrading women?
that's easy, women will eliminate men!

They say the meek will inherit the world!

Taken from the comments of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrZcJdeVQJc) (go down to Garrett's response and see mylampstand's comment).  She sounds like a female Elliot Rodger.  And that Jenny McDermott is a real shitbag too.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on April 09, 2016, 05:42:46 pm
Quote from: rageaholic on April 08, 2016, 08:40:10 pm
Quote
+Garrett
Women will have to learn, carrying and bringing males into this world is a waste of their valuable time.
Declaring War on the female is the males default position and the male believes the female only reason for existing is so he can continually sexually abuse and degrade her, so he can feel better about himself.
She is far as he is concerned is nothing more than a punch bag to release his tension out on!

and that is why you are all on here,  you are all merely rapists agreeing with each other, and trying to determine the best way forward to retain that status quo!

You are quite right, men are far too criminal for them to ever change or even want to ..

With automation in full swing the need for men in this world will become less and less and we know idle hands are the cause for nothing but trouble and men are very good at creating that!

 The more men in this world, the more trouble especially for women who will automatically be their targets from the very start.

The message coming from the internet is loud and clear, men want to abuse and degrade women at every possible chance they can get!

This message will not fall on deaf ears one feels and women will have to decide in the very near future whether carrying males into this world is a worth while thing and what purpose would it even serve! because it won't be doing the female gender any favours anywhere at all!

How do we stop men abusing and degrading women?
that's easy, women will eliminate men!

They say the meek will inherit the world!

Taken from the comments of this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrZcJdeVQJc) (go down to Garrett's response and see mylampstand's comment).  She sounds like a female Elliot Rodger.  And that Jenny McDermott is a real shitbag too.

Yep. Elliot Rodger with tits. Elaine Rodger, if you will.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 09, 2016, 06:34:00 pm
Quote from: Damen on April 09, 2016, 05:42:46 pm
Yep. Elliot Rodger with tits. Elaine Rodger, if you will.

Yeah, the level of plank-stupid hatred is up there with Elliot but her plans on male gendercide depend entirely on her convincing all the other women out there that she's not bat-crap crazy, also to have abortions based on her whims entirely.

I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 09, 2016, 08:33:44 pm
That and the whole "full automation" thing that we still haven't got working.  Good luck actually having that up and running when you kill half the engineers and scientists building that shit, fucking moron.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on April 09, 2016, 08:58:24 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 09, 2016, 08:33:44 pm
That and the whole "full automation" thing that we still haven't got working.  Good luck actually having that up and running when you kill half the engineers and scientists building that shit, fucking moron.

That's incredibly sexist, assuming that half the world's engineers are men!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 09, 2016, 10:06:48 pm
Quote from: pyro on April 09, 2016, 08:58:24 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 09, 2016, 08:33:44 pm
That and the whole "full automation" thing that we still haven't got working.  Good luck actually having that up and running when you kill half the engineers and scientists building that shit, fucking moron.

That's incredibly sexist, assuming that half the world's engineers are men!

You're right, its probably closer to 75% men.

[Not that I approve of that fact, of course.]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheContrarian on April 11, 2016, 01:57:24 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 09, 2016, 10:06:48 pm
Quote from: pyro on April 09, 2016, 08:58:24 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 09, 2016, 08:33:44 pm
That and the whole "full automation" thing that we still haven't got working.  Good luck actually having that up and running when you kill half the engineers and scientists building that shit, fucking moron.

That's incredibly sexist, assuming that half the world's engineers are men!

You're right, its probably closer to 75% men.

[Not that I approve of that fact, of course.]

Hang on, let's just expand the definition of scientist to include anyone with a sociology or gender studies degree.  That should even it out...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2016, 04:13:06 pm
...Sociology is science.  Specifically, its applied psychology on a large scale.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on April 11, 2016, 04:21:59 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2016, 04:13:06 pm
...Sociology is science.  Specifically, its applied psychology on a large scale.

Well, you could exclude the social sciences, except economics somehow -- reactionaries love that field, which leaves you with the natural sciences.

But the natural sciences also have those pesky theories of deep time, evolution, abiogenesis, and anthropogenic global warming, among others. What's a reactionary got to do to compartmentalize science into inoffensive boxes?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on April 11, 2016, 04:29:45 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on April 11, 2016, 04:21:59 pm
Well, you could exclude the social sciences, except economics somehow -- reactionaries love that field, which leaves you with the natural sciences.

Since when does economics count as one of the natural sciences?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 11, 2016, 04:58:56 pm
Quote from: pyro on April 11, 2016, 04:29:45 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on April 11, 2016, 04:21:59 pm
Well, you could exclude the social sciences, except economics somehow -- reactionaries love that field, which leaves you with the natural sciences.

Since when does economics count as one of the natural sciences?

...Especially since many of the economists seem to consider it a religion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on April 11, 2016, 05:30:55 pm
Quote from: pyro on April 11, 2016, 04:29:45 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on April 11, 2016, 04:21:59 pm
Well, you could exclude the social sciences, except economics somehow -- reactionaries love that field, which leaves you with the natural sciences.

Since when does economics count as one of the natural sciences?

I should have completed my sentence: which leaves you with the natural sciences*.

*and one or two schools of economics approved by the wealthy elite
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 11, 2016, 05:39:31 pm
Quote from: pyro on April 11, 2016, 04:29:45 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on April 11, 2016, 04:21:59 pm
Well, you could exclude the social sciences, except economics somehow -- reactionaries love that field, which leaves you with the natural sciences.

Since when does economics count as one of the natural sciences?
There are unnatural sciences?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheContrarian on April 11, 2016, 05:47:19 pm
Quote from: Ironchew on April 11, 2016, 04:21:59 pm
What's a reactionary got to do to compartmentalize science into inoffensive boxes?

Just write a thesis on any of the preceding concepts you mentioned and how it's harmful to women.

Because SCIENCE.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on April 11, 2016, 07:29:53 pm
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 11, 2016, 05:39:31 pm
There are unnatural sciences?

They're not usually called that, but yes. That's what any science involving human-invented structures would be (social sciences, economics, computer science, etc).
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on April 11, 2016, 09:40:11 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2016, 04:13:06 pm
...Sociology is science.  Specifically, its applied psychology on a large scale.

And that's just applied biology, which is applied chemistry, which is applied physics.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2016, 09:55:11 pm
Quote from: Svata on April 11, 2016, 09:40:11 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2016, 04:13:06 pm
...Sociology is science.  Specifically, its applied psychology on a large scale.

And that's just applied biology, which is applied chemistry, which is applied physics.

Which is applied math.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2016, 10:18:11 pm
I was hoping someone would get the reference, lol.

[Also, yes, it all comes back to math.  Everything else can suck it.]
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on April 11, 2016, 10:38:21 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2016, 09:55:11 pm
Quote from: Svata on April 11, 2016, 09:40:11 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2016, 04:13:06 pm
...Sociology is science.  Specifically, its applied psychology on a large scale.

And that's just applied biology, which is applied chemistry, which is applied physics.

Which is applied math.

Which is applied logic.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 11, 2016, 10:56:52 pm
Which is also applied math.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on April 11, 2016, 11:14:55 pm
Math is logic is math is logic is math.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 11, 2016, 11:46:13 pm
Quote from: pyro on April 11, 2016, 07:29:53 pm
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 11, 2016, 05:39:31 pm
There are unnatural sciences?

They're not usually called that, but yes. That's what any science involving human-invented structures would be (social sciences, economics, computer science, etc).
Damned party pooper, there was me thinking I could get a doctorate in unnatural sciences conducting forbidden experiments into things that should not be.(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/79/aa/37/79aa371a45f4e9dc028312f11c19fb5a.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 12, 2016, 12:51:18 am
Quote from: dpareja on April 11, 2016, 10:38:21 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2016, 09:55:11 pm
Quote from: Svata on April 11, 2016, 09:40:11 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2016, 04:13:06 pm
...Sociology is science.  Specifically, its applied psychology on a large scale.

And that's just applied biology, which is applied chemistry, which is applied physics.

Which is applied math.

Which is applied logic.

And Geography is just physics slowed down with trees on top of it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on April 12, 2016, 12:52:41 am
Quote from: Askold on April 12, 2016, 12:51:18 am
Quote from: dpareja on April 11, 2016, 10:38:21 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2016, 09:55:11 pm
Quote from: Svata on April 11, 2016, 09:40:11 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2016, 04:13:06 pm
...Sociology is science.  Specifically, its applied psychology on a large scale.

And that's just applied biology, which is applied chemistry, which is applied physics.

Which is applied math.

Which is applied logic.

And Geography is just physics slowed down with trees on top of it.

[Citation Needed] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 12, 2016, 12:55:06 am
Quote from: Svata on April 12, 2016, 12:52:41 am
Quote from: Askold on April 12, 2016, 12:51:18 am
Quote from: dpareja on April 11, 2016, 10:38:21 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on April 11, 2016, 09:55:11 pm
Quote from: Svata on April 11, 2016, 09:40:11 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 11, 2016, 04:13:06 pm
...Sociology is science.  Specifically, its applied psychology on a large scale.

And that's just applied biology, which is applied chemistry, which is applied physics.

Which is applied math.

Which is applied logic.

And Geography is just physics slowed down with trees on top of it.

[Citation Needed]

"The Last continent" by Terry Pratchett.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Svata on April 12, 2016, 12:57:01 am
Extended XKCD reference here. He just drops that all over the pplace in his "what-if" articles. Also, subtle callback to (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed#/media/File%3AWebcomic_xkcd_-_Wikipedian_protester.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on April 13, 2016, 12:02:46 am
Quote from: Eiki-mun on April 11, 2016, 11:14:55 pm
Math is logic is math is logic is math.

All things are math, but some are mathier than others.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 19, 2016, 11:26:36 pm
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/9iwuio.jpg)

Do white vegans also appropriate meat?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 20, 2016, 12:14:07 am
Glad to see my ankh ring will offend someone, at least.  Even if its more of an Ultima reference than having any religious significance...  >.>
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 20, 2016, 12:20:18 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 20, 2016, 12:14:07 am
Glad to see my ankh ring will offend someone, at least.  Even if its more of an Ultima reference than having any religious significance...  >.>
...Isn't that actually a case of real cultural appropriation? The game took a piece off a culture/religion and instead of representing it in a realistic way they merely used the aesthetics, reusing a real religious symbol for a fictional religion.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 20, 2016, 12:30:05 am
Quote from: Askold on April 20, 2016, 12:20:18 am
Quote from: RavynousHunter on April 20, 2016, 12:14:07 am
Glad to see my ankh ring will offend someone, at least.  Even if its more of an Ultima reference than having any religious significance...  >.>
...Isn't that actually a case of real cultural appropriation? The game took a piece off a culture/religion and instead of representing it in a realistic way they merely used the aesthetics, reusing a real religious symbol for a fictional religion.

Meh, don't really care, to be perfectly honest.  Unless we're talking Native headdresses being used as props or some shit, then I don't view it as a problem.  Besides, the ankh is given a pretty central place in Ultima lore, since its the symbol of the Avatar, basically Britannia's messiah.  All things considered, I think that's a very benign form of appropriation, if anything.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on April 20, 2016, 02:16:49 am
Is it still appropriation when you borrow from a culture that doesn't exist anymore, tho? I mean, I'm pretty sure there aren't many people worshiping Sekmet and Maat and whatnot today.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on April 20, 2016, 02:38:38 am
Quote from: LeTipex on April 20, 2016, 02:16:49 am
Is it still appropriation when you borrow from a culture that doesn't exist anymore, tho? I mean, I'm pretty sure there aren't many people worshiping Sekmet and Maat and whatnot today.

You may be surprised.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemetic_Orthodoxy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemetic_Orthodoxy)

The faith is getting a revival, much like other forms of paganism (look up Asatru and Hellenism for other examples). Granted, by the logic of cultural appropriation, I believe all of these people are probably filthy appropriators as well.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on April 20, 2016, 02:44:03 am
They also aren't really a revival so much as they are just making shit up based on what we do know about those beliefs.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on April 20, 2016, 02:49:44 am
Appropriating our old gods from the God Graveyard, are we?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on April 20, 2016, 03:25:23 am
I'm half tempted to cover my entire house in non-Christian religious symbols, just to piss these people off. Oh, and throw in some Native American headdresses too, just because those seem to offend pretty much everyone for some reason.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 20, 2016, 10:18:03 am
Well you're white so that pretty much offends everybody already.

Ironbite-might as well go for the high score.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 20, 2016, 01:59:14 pm
There was a post I saw from an actual Egyptian about "appropriating ancient Egyptian culture", and they pointed out how Egypt profits heavily on the tourism industry, and that selling these symbols as aesthetic commodities for foreigners encourages foreigners to spend money on Egypt.  They said what Egyptians actually care about is other countries taking authentic artifacts and not returning them to Egypt, since, while no longer part of their culture, it is part of their history.

It seems to me that when it comes to cultural appropriation, there's a huge divide between those who grew up and are living in the West and those who live in the country of origin.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 20, 2016, 02:50:44 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/aRQBf1u.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on April 20, 2016, 03:26:15 pm
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on April 20, 2016, 06:42:09 pm
Quote from: Askold on April 20, 2016, 02:50:44 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/aRQBf1u.jpg)

Just for fun someone should tell Aeriel that expecting to get away with being an irrational idiot on twitter is an example, and abuse of, her minority privilege.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on April 20, 2016, 07:24:19 pm
Even the photos make it look like a joke. I mean he looks kind of puzzled and surprised but wary at the same time. The expression you get when the well dressed businessman you've been talking to at the bar  mentions the lizard people in earnest. Her expression is great too. The kind you would expect on a cult proselytizer as they tell you about Xenu.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on April 24, 2016, 05:11:31 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Vixm15M.jpg)

I guess somebody broke off the Venus de Milo's arms to hide the fact that she had man hands.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on April 24, 2016, 07:00:24 pm
That, or ya know, noses are these weird things hanging off our faces that, for stone, aren't structurally sound and are easily damaged.  But, let's not allow simple physics and materials science get in the way of our feigned outrage.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 24, 2016, 07:58:52 pm
It's tumblr.  You just blame it on whitey.

Ironbite-easier that way.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: mellenORL on April 24, 2016, 08:01:13 pm
Actually, a lot of the damage to noses was intentional, and done by many different invaders over many centuries. Notice that the intact ears are also weak points, because yes that was a logical explanation, but the Egyptians were very skilled and experienced after many centuries over carving monumental statues. It may take five thousand more years, if no vandalism or big earthquakes hit the region, for the ears and remaining intact noses to crack and fall off. 

Napoleon's soldiers got very bored in Egypt, bitterly hating the hot weather and strange food, and were hardly above target practice on ancient monuments of all descriptions. They were also not exactly enlightened on issues of race, either. I doubt anybody tried to really push that ancient Egyptians were Europeans, though.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on April 24, 2016, 08:49:40 pm
Quote from: mellenORL on April 24, 2016, 08:01:13 pm
Actually, a lot of the damage to noses was intentional, and done by many different invaders over many centuries. Notice that the intact ears are also weak points, because yes that was a logical explanation, but the Egyptians were very skilled and experienced after many centuries over carving monumental statues. It may take five thousand more years, if no vandalism or big earthquakes hit the region, for the ears and remaining intact noses to crack and fall off. 

Napoleon's soldiers got very bored in Egypt, bitterly hating the hot weather and strange food, and were hardly above target practice on ancient monuments of all descriptions. They were also not exactly enlightened on issues of race, either. I doubt anybody tried to really push that ancient Egyptians were Europeans, though.
They knocked off the cauliflower ears, what do they have against cauliflower ears!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Damen on April 24, 2016, 09:32:38 pm
Fuck cauliflower.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on April 24, 2016, 09:36:48 pm
.......we must kung fu fight now.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on April 25, 2016, 12:19:29 am
Something that Europeans actually did do to disfigure Eqyptian statues was removal of the throbbing hard erections.

...You see, many of the statues had their cocks out as a sign of virility but the prudish Brits didn't like this and felt that they can't really show off statues like that in their museums so they smashed a few bits before shipping the statues back to jolly old England. Also, some pictures were modified so that random hieroglyphs were put in to cover the many erections and at least one massive pile of dicks. (It was the aftermath of some battle, the ruler had wanted to know how many enemies had been killed so the soldiers gathered up all the cocks from enemy bodies and brought them back as proof. You know, since a person generally has only one of those so this would be proof of kill while being lighter to carry than a severed head for example.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on April 26, 2016, 02:46:47 pm
Quote
Every time the “inbreeding” discussion comes back up and ya’ll say “but birth defects!!” I feel like complete shit. I happen to have an inheritable genetic condition. And I was also forcefully sterilized because of it. In an incredibly ironic twist, you all sound more like fucking eugenicists than the genetics poster. You seriously think it’s okay to say that the possibility of being born disabled means that those kids shouldn’t be born? That the sheer possibility of having disabled kids means that a couple should not only be prevented from having kids but prevented from being together at all? What the fuck.

I don’t care about this argument at all but find a different point to argue from please.

So basically, you'll willingly force children into a position where they have an increased chance of being born with crippling (sometimes fatal and agonizing) defects just so you can feel better about yourself?  Yeah, you're not making some profound statement about society and standing up for disabled children, you're just a selfish prick who thinks "if I can do it, they can do it".   There's nothing noble about forcing children into a kind of life you wouldn't willingly subject yourself to -- or at the very least forcing a life that you know will lead to hardship -- and masking it with "but disabled people matter and deserve to be born".  These aren't kids who randomly developed a condition in utero; you're purposely setting them up to have an increased chance of being born with these conditions.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 03, 2016, 11:24:22 am
Saying stupid things on the Internet is one thing, but this is quite another:

https://www.enca.com/south-africa/social-media-weighs-in-after-rhodesmustfall-leader-no-land-no-tip (https://www.enca.com/south-africa/social-media-weighs-in-after-rhodesmustfall-leader-no-land-no-tip)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheL on May 03, 2016, 04:57:59 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 26, 2016, 02:46:47 pm
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Every time the “inbreeding” discussion comes back up and ya’ll say “but birth defects!!” I feel like complete shit. I happen to have an inheritable genetic condition. And I was also forcefully sterilized because of it. In an incredibly ironic twist, you all sound more like fucking eugenicists than the genetics poster. You seriously think it’s okay to say that the possibility of being born disabled means that those kids shouldn’t be born? That the sheer possibility of having disabled kids means that a couple should not only be prevented from having kids but prevented from being together at all? What the fuck.

I don’t care about this argument at all but find a different point to argue from please.

So basically, you'll willingly force children into a position where they have an increased chance of being born with crippling (sometimes fatal and agonizing) defects just so you can feel better about yourself?  Yeah, you're not making some profound statement about society and standing up for disabled children, you're just a selfish prick who thinks "if I can do it, they can do it".   There's nothing noble about forcing children into a kind of life you wouldn't willingly subject yourself to -- or at the very least forcing a life that you know will lead to hardship -- and masking it with "but disabled people matter and deserve to be born".  These aren't kids who randomly developed a condition in utero; you're purposely setting them up to have an increased chance of being born with these conditions.

Not to mention the fact that the vast majority of incest cases among humans here in the real world are essentially cases of abuse and child/teen molestation by family members (at least nowadays).  Even if somehow inbreeding didn't cause an increased likelihood of birth defects, that would be a reason to be anti-incest in and of itself.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 03, 2016, 04:59:57 pm
Quote from: TheL on May 03, 2016, 04:57:59 pm
Quote from: Iosa the Invincible on April 26, 2016, 02:46:47 pm
Quote
Every time the “inbreeding” discussion comes back up and ya’ll say “but birth defects!!” I feel like complete shit. I happen to have an inheritable genetic condition. And I was also forcefully sterilized because of it. In an incredibly ironic twist, you all sound more like fucking eugenicists than the genetics poster. You seriously think it’s okay to say that the possibility of being born disabled means that those kids shouldn’t be born? That the sheer possibility of having disabled kids means that a couple should not only be prevented from having kids but prevented from being together at all? What the fuck.

I don’t care about this argument at all but find a different point to argue from please.

So basically, you'll willingly force children into a position where they have an increased chance of being born with crippling (sometimes fatal and agonizing) defects just so you can feel better about yourself?  Yeah, you're not making some profound statement about society and standing up for disabled children, you're just a selfish prick who thinks "if I can do it, they can do it".   There's nothing noble about forcing children into a kind of life you wouldn't willingly subject yourself to -- or at the very least forcing a life that you know will lead to hardship -- and masking it with "but disabled people matter and deserve to be born".  These aren't kids who randomly developed a condition in utero; you're purposely setting them up to have an increased chance of being born with these conditions.

Not to mention the fact that the vast majority of incest cases among humans here in the real world are essentially cases of abuse and child/teen molestation by family members (at least nowadays).  Even if somehow inbreeding didn't cause an increased likelihood of birth defects, that would be a reason to be anti-incest in and of itself.

Indeed.  There's a reason it's called the "Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network," after all.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ironchew on May 03, 2016, 06:02:50 pm
Quote
That the sheer possibility of having disabled kids means that a couple should not only be prevented from having kids but prevented from being together at all? What the fuck.

I don’t care about this argument at all but find a different point to argue from please.

That's the rub, isn't it? Funny how Americans had just overwhelmingly approved a paradigm shift in the rights of marriage that depended partly on the revolutionary concept that homosexuals are not required to reproduce in order to be in a relationship. And yet they don't extend that same courtesy to consenting adults that just so happen to be closely related with an arbitrary cutoff on what "closely related" means.

People with the bigoted attitude he's describing (and unfortunately at least a few here on FQA subscribe to) will have their ideas left in the dust by future generations.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on May 04, 2016, 05:33:34 am
Quote from: Ironchew on May 03, 2016, 06:02:50 pm
Quote
That the sheer possibility of having disabled kids means that a couple should not only be prevented from having kids but prevented from being together at all? What the fuck.

I don’t care about this argument at all but find a different point to argue from please.

That's the rub, isn't it? Funny how Americans had just overwhelmingly approved a paradigm shift in the rights of marriage that depended partly on the revolutionary concept that homosexuals are not required to reproduce in order to be in a relationship. And yet they don't extend that same courtesy to consenting adults that just so happen to be closely related with an arbitrary cutoff on what "closely related" means.

People with the bigoted attitude he's describing (and unfortunately at least a few here on FQA subscribe to) will have their ideas left in the dust by future generations.
I don't really give a toss who wants to bump uglies as long as they are old enough to consent and are consenting.

I think what most people picture when they hear about incest is a creepy uncle exploiting their nephew, or an older kid with a sadistic streak sexually exploiting a younger one. The reason those are BadThings(tm) is because rape and child abuse. If someone produces three headed offspring, or even ones with ears like Prince Charlie that doesn't make them bad people.

If people want to live like the Targaryens, as regards brotherfucking-not mass murder, and it's all above board age of consent wise and consent wise do what the fuck ever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on May 15, 2016, 04:54:27 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/dCnsFoX.jpg)

Only 90's kin will understand this...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on May 15, 2016, 06:45:20 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on May 15, 2016, 04:54:27 pm
Only 90's kin will understand this...
Okay, that's funny.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on May 20, 2016, 04:06:23 pm
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ouch!!! As a gay man, I agree. Just as I despise drag shows (hate them!) and I worry about how "trans" "women" behave, act in public and over do the "woman thing" with the makeup, pink clothes, exaggerated "womanly" mannerisms, etc. It's sexist, but they don't see it or get it. Trans "women" not only set ciswomen back 50 years, they reinforce stereotypes of what a woman should look like or act like. When I see a butch transwoman make it to the cover of Vanity Fair, I will sit down and shut up. Ever wonder why gay men dominate in fashion? Because they ALSO have stereotypes of what "real women" should look like. It's men dictating to the world (whether gay or straight), how women should behave and look like.

Yep, the existence of transwomen wearing makeup and pink clothes totally caused my female boss to loss her job and degree and become a homewife.  Actually this comment about "pink is sexist" brings to mind that quote from Iggy Pop "I'm not ashamed to dress like a woman because I don't think it's shameful to be a woman."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 20, 2016, 04:45:32 pm
Quote from: Skybison on May 20, 2016, 04:06:23 pm
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ouch!!! As a gay man, I agree. Just as I despise drag shows (hate them!) and I worry about how "trans" "women" behave, act in public and over do the "woman thing" with the makeup, pink clothes, exaggerated "womanly" mannerisms, etc. It's sexist, but they don't see it or get it. Trans "women" not only set ciswomen back 50 years, they reinforce stereotypes of what a woman should look like or act like. When I see a butch transwoman make it to the cover of Vanity Fair, I will sit down and shut up. Ever wonder why gay men dominate in fashion? Because they ALSO have stereotypes of what "real women" should look like. It's men dictating to the world (whether gay or straight), how women should behave and look like.

Yep, the existence of transwomen wearing makeup and pink clothes totally caused my female boss to loss her job and degree and become a homewife.  Actually this comment about "pink is sexist" brings to mind that quote from Iggy Pop "I'm not ashamed to dress like a woman because I don't think it's shameful to be a woman."

The reason a lot of trans women perform exaggerated femininity is that, y'know, people throw any bit of masculinity in their faces to prove they are not real women.

(and, of course, some of them just like makeup and pink and feminine mannerisms! just like many cis women!)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on May 20, 2016, 05:24:28 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on May 20, 2016, 04:45:32 pm
Quote from: Skybison on May 20, 2016, 04:06:23 pm
Quote
ouch!!! As a gay man, I agree. Just as I despise drag shows (hate them!) and I worry about how "trans" "women" behave, act in public and over do the "woman thing" with the makeup, pink clothes, exaggerated "womanly" mannerisms, etc. It's sexist, but they don't see it or get it. Trans "women" not only set ciswomen back 50 years, they reinforce stereotypes of what a woman should look like or act like. When I see a butch transwoman make it to the cover of Vanity Fair, I will sit down and shut up. Ever wonder why gay men dominate in fashion? Because they ALSO have stereotypes of what "real women" should look like. It's men dictating to the world (whether gay or straight), how women should behave and look like.

Yep, the existence of transwomen wearing makeup and pink clothes totally caused my female boss to loss her job and degree and become a homewife.  Actually this comment about "pink is sexist" brings to mind that quote from Iggy Pop "I'm not ashamed to dress like a woman because I don't think it's shameful to be a woman."

The reason a lot of trans women perform exaggerated femininity is that, y'know, people throw any bit of masculinity in their faces to prove they are not real women.

(and, of course, some of them just like makeup and pink and feminine mannerisms! just like many cis women!)

Seriously he's a guy complaining about men dictating how women behave and look, while dictating they behave  and look butch.

The blog post he was commenting on I thought had a questionable slant to it. http://www.feministcurrent.com/2015/11/10/why-i-no-longer-hate-terfs/
 I'm a cis straight dude without much social awareness, so I often fret I might be mansplaining if I tell feminists they're doing it wrong.  But I dunno the way she complains about transwomen being not being loyal enough to feminism and outrage at the idea that women can have cisprivilage to justify including TERFs, it seemed really hypocritical too me.  "You have to prove you're loyal to us, but how dare you suggest we need to prove we're loyal to you!"
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on May 20, 2016, 06:20:52 pm
oh ungods that article.

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So you see, my trans sisters, when you assert your womanhood, what feminists really want to know is if you’re here to maintain the status quo or to change it. Because the status quo isn’t working too well for most of us. It’s hurting us. Women are still treated like shit. And unlike liberal feminists, we’re not interested in spraying the shit with perfume and calling it a flower bed. We’ve come with shovels and we want the shit gone. Will you shovel along with us? Will you march with us for reproductive freedom? Will you lobby for universal pre-k and paid parental leave? We need those things. Will you fight with us against the idea that there is such a thing as a “lady brain” and that it’s “naturally” pink and fluffy and emotional and drawn to makeup and restrictive — but sexy — clothing? Will you fight with us against women’s sexual objectification? Will you take a stand against sex trafficking and the sexual exploitation of women and girls? Or will your transition serve to reinforce those injustices? Do you come to womanhood offering support or just to make demands?

Like. I am 100% behind changing the status quo. I think it's fucked up. But not every aspect of a person's life is about political activism, and transition should be focused on the person's personal life, not be subservient to the goals of the feminist movement.

Some trans women are emotional and like pink and makeup and fluffy things and restrictive but sexy clothing. This is their right as, y'know, human beings. If this does not help sell a convenient narrative for your movement, too bad for your movement.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on May 21, 2016, 02:44:12 am
And yes, I know a couple trans with women who are far from "frills and pink" habitually.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: The_Queen on May 22, 2016, 02:14:39 am
Quote from: Skybison on May 20, 2016, 04:06:23 pm
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ouch!!! As a gay man, I agree. Just as I despise drag shows (hate them!) and I worry about how "trans" "women" behave, act in public and over do the "woman thing" with the makeup, pink clothes, exaggerated "womanly" mannerisms, etc. It's sexist, but they don't see it or get it. Trans "women" not only set ciswomen back 50 years, they reinforce stereotypes of what a woman should look like or act like. When I see a butch transwoman make it to the cover of Vanity Fair, I will sit down and shut up. Ever wonder why gay men dominate in fashion? Because they ALSO have stereotypes of what "real women" should look like. It's men dictating to the world (whether gay or straight), how women should behave and look like.

Yep, the existence of transwomen wearing makeup and pink clothes totally caused my female boss to loss her job and degree and become a homewife.  Actually this comment about "pink is sexist" brings to mind that quote from Iggy Pop "I'm not ashamed to dress like a woman because I don't think it's shameful to be a woman."

If I ever met that guy, I'd show him just how stereotypically feminine I am, primarily by telling him my two favorite words: "fuck off."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on May 22, 2016, 02:50:08 am
Queen I don`t know if you wear pink, but if you do I imagine it`s as pink as the blood of your enemies.

Also how the hell would transitioning reinforce sex trafficking or restricting abortion?  That doesn`t even make sense.  I like the potshot she takes at liberal feminists, because I`m pretty sure they are doing all those things, they`re just not being assholes to transwomen.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on May 22, 2016, 07:22:28 am
Wait....Queen is Arcee?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 05, 2016, 05:06:05 am
This baffling...thing (http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/how-to-spot-a-brocialist-the-guys-with-righteous-politics-but-dodgy-attitudes-to-girls?fb_comment_id=836149683180226_870544223074105&comment_id=870544223074105#febf27827ecfc8).

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Brocialists might sport Dr Martens, Vans, or boat shoes sans socks, and they're partial to skinny jeans. They're drawn to quality over grunge, thus Scandinavian brands such as Fjallraven, Acne Studios, and Cheap Monday Jeans are the flavour of choice, which is suitable seeing as the Nordic countries align with their egalitarian values. It's no surprise, therefore, that they cycle and enjoy public transportation over anything that might be considered a carbon-emitting abomination.


Music preferences are self explanatory, but brocialists are drawn to broody emotional tunes and local music so as to present a down-to-earth, enthusiastic disposition. Furthermore, they have no qualms with ironic beats from the 90s, as they can freely make fun of themselves.

Their palate is an interesting one. While they're inclined to exercise vegetarianism, they don't indulge in veganism for fear of coming off as too hardcore or opinionated. And they're into Kiwiana motifs so mince pies without meat or cheese rolls might be the plat du jour, alongside a breakfast of black coffee and organic bircher with fruit from their local community garden, for example. They refuse to conform to gender roles so they'll cook these dishes and complete the clean-up with gusto. After dinner, they drink whisky and craft beer in excess. Brocialists smoke socially but would never reveal this to their doctor. They're anti smoking, if anything. Instead, they smoke after a good political debate once they're convinced they've enlightened their ignorant company. A millennial's after-sex smoke, if you will.

On a broader level, these often educated individuals work in the public or non-for-profit sector. For the creative brocialist, you'll find them crafting beautiful Scandinavian-style furniture, designing charity-focussed advertising campaigns or launching a startup. While they're into technology over cars and sports, they're not your traditional "cos-play" "world of warcraft" types. Rather, they geek out by way of social media. They're insufferably vocal about their beliefs, more so than your everyday feminist. They're the first on your feed to post about International Women's Day

Skinny jeans...doc martens...

(click to show/hide)

Brocialists?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 05, 2016, 05:29:00 am
...Is that supposed to be parody?

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In my experience there are two kinds of brocialists. Type one uses their outwardly progressive values to woo women, particularly in the public realm of social media, while secretly maintaining their non-progressive values. Type two views women as expendable objects and treats them poorly to hide their insecurities. By pretending to the world, and probably themselves, that they're all about liberating the underdog, they get an angelic reputation while staying snuggled into dominant patriarchal structures. In both cases it's the combination of arrogance, yet empathy for everyone and everything—on their terms—that's the true signifier of brocialism.

Uh... Yeah, that does sound like dick behaviour but isn't that just your garden variety "person pretending to be something they are not so that they get to fuck someone" rather than merely a socialist problem?

And I might be too sex-positive or something but complaining about bikini-models sounds like slut-shaming. Give the women right to dress the way they want, having a career as a bikini-model (or God forbid a porn star) is not wrong in itself and neither is it wrong for people to enjoy them.

I do agree with the complaint about some dude sleeping with a lot of women while pretending to be monogamous. Then again I am also acquainted with a few people from polygamous relationships so in my opinion there's nothing wrong with sleeping around as long as everyone is aware of the circumstances.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 05, 2016, 05:33:53 am
Am I the only one sick of this whole trend of inserting "bro" into something to describe a part of it that you don't like?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 05, 2016, 05:56:17 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 05, 2016, 05:33:53 am
Am I the only one sick of this whole trend of inserting "bro" into something to describe a part of it that you don't like?
What are you a brofascist? Stop bropressing me! Totally unbrogressive of you.

Quote from: Askold on June 05, 2016, 05:29:00 am
...Is that supposed to be parody?

Nah, I think it's serious given that she starts the whole thing with a story of her first encounter with a "brocialist". Some fella who insisted her concerns about his sexism were less important than climate change, which is kind of like me peeing on your foot and insisting that it's less important than all the starving children so-yeah, he sounds like a dick.

I do not know how the fuck to make any sense of the rest of her broad strokes though. Seriously, if stayed in this vein...

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....it wasn't his personality that bugged me, but his total contradiction in values.

...as opposed to musing that these dreaded brovillains were guys that you could pick because they'd be wearing one doctor martin, one boat shoe, skinny jeans, a peaked cap while eating a veggie burger on a bicycle it would have made a whole lot more sense.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 05, 2016, 06:11:18 am
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 05, 2016, 05:56:17 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 05, 2016, 05:33:53 am
Am I the only one sick of this whole trend of inserting "bro" into something to describe a part of it that you don't like?
What are you a brofascist? Stop bropressing me! Totally unbrogressive of you.
I will brold you down and broit in your brouth.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 05, 2016, 06:26:03 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 05, 2016, 06:11:18 am
Quote from: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 05, 2016, 05:56:17 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 05, 2016, 05:33:53 am
Am I the only one sick of this whole trend of inserting "bro" into something to describe a part of it that you don't like?
What are you a brofascist? Stop bropressing me! Totally unbrogressive of you.
I will brold you down and broit in your brouth.
Brooh baby.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on June 05, 2016, 07:15:44 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 05, 2016, 05:33:53 am
Am I the only one sick of this whole trend of inserting "bro" into something to describe a part of it that you don't like?

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc3z3my93D1qghvp9o4_250.jpg)

(http://66.media.tumblr.com/a672a2a474bde03dd3048c1f139fd456/tumblr_mxwultMZ1z1sa2z61o1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 05, 2016, 03:33:23 pm
Bro
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Canadian Mojo on June 05, 2016, 06:55:07 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 05, 2016, 05:33:53 am
Am I the only one sick of this whole trend of inserting "bro" into something to describe a part of it that you don't like?

Now look what you've started you brostralian.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 05, 2016, 07:12:13 pm
Quote from: Canadian Mojo on June 05, 2016, 06:55:07 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 05, 2016, 05:33:53 am
Am I the only one sick of this whole trend of inserting "bro" into something to describe a part of it that you don't like?

Now look what you've started you brostralian.

Why are you helping keep it alive, you bronadian?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 05, 2016, 07:39:51 pm
Everyone, I am bro, bro sorry for what I've broarted here.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 05, 2016, 07:46:21 pm
Quote from: Art Vandelay on June 05, 2016, 07:39:51 pm
Everybro, I am bro, bro brorry for what I've broarted here.

FTFY
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 12, 2016, 09:03:42 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/PvhYUb5.png)

The best thing about universal statements is that it takes just one data point (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks) to disprove them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on June 12, 2016, 09:17:59 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 12, 2016, 09:03:42 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/PvhYUb5.png)

The best thing about universal statements is that it takes just one data point (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks) to disprove them.

Fuck UP it was a joke.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on June 12, 2016, 09:19:11 pm
Sarah Silverman is a satirist.  She's not being serious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 12, 2016, 09:29:12 pm
Quote from: Skybison on June 12, 2016, 09:19:11 pm
Sarah Silverman is a satirist.  She's not being serious.

I thought the name was familiar.  My bad.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 12, 2016, 10:03:10 pm
Playing Devil's Advocate, Sarah Silverman is to comedy what Paula Dean was to cooking.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 13, 2016, 01:07:45 pm
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/izb4ld.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 13, 2016, 04:06:27 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 12, 2016, 09:29:12 pm
Quote from: Skybison on June 12, 2016, 09:19:11 pm
Sarah Silverman is a satirist.  She's not being serious.

I thought the name was familiar.  My bad.

You have got to be kidding me.  How the fuck do you have any form of online presence...how the fuck to you have any function in the world and not know who Sarah Silverman is?

Ironbite-like seriously.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 13, 2016, 04:14:40 pm
She's the woman that wacko anti-semite from FSTDT said worshipped...JAHBULON!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 13, 2016, 06:04:04 pm
Quote from: ironbite on June 13, 2016, 04:06:27 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 12, 2016, 09:29:12 pm
Quote from: Skybison on June 12, 2016, 09:19:11 pm
Sarah Silverman is a satirist.  She's not being serious.

I thought the name was familiar.  My bad.

You have got to be kidding me.  How the fuck do you have any form of online presence...how the fuck to you have any function in the world and not know who Sarah Silverman is?

Ironbite-like seriously.

Maybe he's like most normal people and his mind immediately tried to purge the knowledge of her existence from his brain.  You know, kinda like how regular people react to the likes of Tim & Eric, as well as Tommy Wiseau.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 14, 2016, 08:44:30 pm
Quote from: ironbite on June 13, 2016, 04:06:27 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 12, 2016, 09:29:12 pm
Quote from: Skybison on June 12, 2016, 09:19:11 pm
Sarah Silverman is a satirist.  She's not being serious.

I thought the name was familiar.  My bad.

You have got to be kidding me.  How the fuck do you have any form of online presence...how the fuck to you have any function in the world and not know who Sarah Silverman is?

Ironbite-like seriously.

Yeah, I was definitely having a brain fart.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2016, 11:23:15 am
(https://i.imgur.com/KAEVnzC.jpg)

Guys, did you travel back in time without telling me?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on June 16, 2016, 11:36:14 am
I mean, a white guy did most likely shoot MLK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray). They're not wrong.

And I honestly agree with the first poster: "don't fight hate with hate" most often translates to "mindkill yourself of anger or you're a Bad Marginalized" from what I've observed.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2016, 11:48:44 am
Quote from: Even Then on June 16, 2016, 11:36:14 am
I mean, a white guy did most likely shoot MLK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray). They're not wrong.

And I honestly agree with the first poster: "don't fight hate with hate" most often translates to "mindkill yourself of anger or you're a Bad Marginalized" from what I've observed.

Emphasis on "a white guy."

And I fucking hate the false dichotomy between "don't get upset" and "give in to hate."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on June 16, 2016, 11:58:54 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2016, 11:48:44 am
And I fucking hate the false dichotomy between "don't get upset" and "give in to hate."

I agree.  But the problem is that marginalized people are constantly being told that any level of unhappiness equates giving into hate.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on June 16, 2016, 12:01:15 pm
What a coincidence! I fucking hate when people say "don't give in to hate" when people who are societally treated like shit dare express any amount of anger or disdain that exceeds the Arbitrary Privileged Group Standard, as if they really give a shit about their mental health! I also hate it when it's done when they fail to be perfectly nice and infinitely patient towards ignorant members of the groups that perpetuate the aforementioned shit treatment! Or sacrifice their time and labour to painstakingly give people fucking 101's! I really fucking hate the false equivalency between human anger and """""giving in to hate"""""!

Then again, this is from the "the Down With Cis meme is a hate crime" guy, so why the fuck do I even bother.

Quote from: Skybison on June 16, 2016, 11:58:54 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2016, 11:48:44 am
And I fucking hate the false dichotomy between "don't get upset" and "give in to hate."

I agree.  But the problem is that marginalized people are constantly being told that any level of unhappiness equates giving into hate.

THANK you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 16, 2016, 12:08:01 pm
Ultimate Paragon probably believes having any amount of anger or discontent is the same as murdering someone or something.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2016, 12:13:41 pm
Quote from: Even Then on June 16, 2016, 12:01:15 pm
What a coincidence! I fucking hate when people say "don't give in to hate" when people who are societally treated like shit dare express any amount of anger or disdain that exceeds the Arbitrary Privileged Group Standard, as if they really give a shit about their mental health! I also hate it when it's done when they fail to be perfectly nice and infinitely patient towards ignorant members of the groups that perpetuate the aforementioned shit treatment! Or sacrifice their time and labour to painstakingly give people fucking 101's! I really fucking hate the false equivalency between human anger and """""giving in to hate"""""!

Then again, this is from the "the Down With Cis meme is a hate crime" guy, so why the fuck do I even bother.

Quote from: Skybison on June 16, 2016, 11:58:54 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2016, 11:48:44 am
And I fucking hate the false dichotomy between "don't get upset" and "give in to hate."

I agree.  But the problem is that marginalized people are constantly being told that any level of unhappiness equates giving into hate.

THANK you.

Here's the thing: assigning white people collective guilt for MLK's death is giving in to hate.

And speaking of MLK:

(http://www.covermytimeline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/martin-luther-king-jr-darkness-cannot-drive-out-darkness-facebook-timeline-cover.png)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 16, 2016, 12:23:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2016, 12:13:41 pm
Quote from: Even Then on June 16, 2016, 12:01:15 pm
What a coincidence! I fucking hate when people say "don't give in to hate" when people who are societally treated like shit dare express any amount of anger or disdain that exceeds the Arbitrary Privileged Group Standard, as if they really give a shit about their mental health! I also hate it when it's done when they fail to be perfectly nice and infinitely patient towards ignorant members of the groups that perpetuate the aforementioned shit treatment! Or sacrifice their time and labour to painstakingly give people fucking 101's! I really fucking hate the false equivalency between human anger and """""giving in to hate"""""!

Then again, this is from the "the Down With Cis meme is a hate crime" guy, so why the fuck do I even bother.

Quote from: Skybison on June 16, 2016, 11:58:54 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2016, 11:48:44 am
And I fucking hate the false dichotomy between "don't get upset" and "give in to hate."

I agree.  But the problem is that marginalized people are constantly being told that any level of unhappiness equates giving into hate.

THANK you.

Here's the thing: assigning white people collective guilt for MLK's death is giving in to hate.

And speaking of MLK:

(http://www.covermytimeline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/martin-luther-king-jr-darkness-cannot-drive-out-darkness-facebook-timeline-cover.png)

Did Even Then say "white people have a collective guilt for the death of MLK"?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2016, 12:27:49 pm
Quote from: niam2023 on June 16, 2016, 12:23:16 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2016, 12:13:41 pm
Quote from: Even Then on June 16, 2016, 12:01:15 pm
What a coincidence! I fucking hate when people say "don't give in to hate" when people who are societally treated like shit dare express any amount of anger or disdain that exceeds the Arbitrary Privileged Group Standard, as if they really give a shit about their mental health! I also hate it when it's done when they fail to be perfectly nice and infinitely patient towards ignorant members of the groups that perpetuate the aforementioned shit treatment! Or sacrifice their time and labour to painstakingly give people fucking 101's! I really fucking hate the false equivalency between human anger and """""giving in to hate"""""!

Then again, this is from the "the Down With Cis meme is a hate crime" guy, so why the fuck do I even bother.

Quote from: Skybison on June 16, 2016, 11:58:54 am
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 16, 2016, 11:48:44 am
And I fucking hate the false dichotomy between "don't get upset" and "give in to hate."

I agree.  But the problem is that marginalized people are constantly being told that any level of unhappiness equates giving into hate.

THANK you.

Here's the thing: assigning white people collective guilt for MLK's death is giving in to hate.

And speaking of MLK:

(http://www.covermytimeline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/martin-luther-king-jr-darkness-cannot-drive-out-darkness-facebook-timeline-cover.png)

Did Even Then say "white people have a collective guilt for the death of MLK"?

No, but the idiot in the picture did.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on June 16, 2016, 12:29:23 pm
Paragon, just stop okay.

Everytime this happens you double down, say more stupid shit because you can't handle being wrong and we get another angry fight.  Just accept that people disagree with you and move on or better yet learn to consider other people's views.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on June 16, 2016, 12:37:06 pm
In this case UP has a point. The person did say "you whites" shot MLK. This is separate from the valid point about the patronizing language the person also made.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 17, 2016, 08:23:07 am
He's got us there. As a white person, I can indeed confirm that each and every last one of us shot the good Dr King. All I can say is that it seemed a good idea at the time.

And now that I've told, I can probably expect to be yelled at at the next meeting.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on June 17, 2016, 10:42:02 am
Okay, fine, fair enough. I got pissed off at that whole "you're not allowed to be angry with your shit treatment because MLK" implication the original post had going, but sure, not every single white person shot the guy simultaneously. But I don't think anyone was claiming that literally every single white person did, either.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on June 17, 2016, 11:24:51 pm
Quote from: Even Then on June 17, 2016, 10:42:02 am
Okay, fine, fair enough. I got pissed off at that whole "you're not allowed to be angry with your shit treatment because MLK" implication the original post had going, but sure, not every single white person shot the guy simultaneously. But I don't think anyone was claiming that literally every single white person did, either.

Well, no, probably not. I don't think "you whites shot him" means "I literally think every single white person was holding that gun". But assuming it means anything, it lays the blame of MLK's murder at the feet of white people as a class.

Which, whether it's true or not, is kind of shitty rhetorical tactic to use.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 17, 2016, 11:44:05 pm
Quote from: Sigmaleph on June 17, 2016, 11:24:51 pm
Quote from: Even Then on June 17, 2016, 10:42:02 am
Okay, fine, fair enough. I got pissed off at that whole "you're not allowed to be angry with your shit treatment because MLK" implication the original post had going, but sure, not every single white person shot the guy simultaneously. But I don't think anyone was claiming that literally every single white person did, either.

Well, no, probably not. I don't think "you whites shot him" means "I literally think every single white person was holding that gun". But assuming it means anything, it lays the blame of MLK's murder at the feet of white people as a class.

Which, whether it's true or not, is kind of shitty rhetorical tactic to use.

There's also the implication that MLK's tactics didn't work.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on June 18, 2016, 01:32:12 am
Quote from: Even Then on June 17, 2016, 10:42:02 am
Okay, fine, fair enough. I got pissed off at that whole "you're not allowed to be angry with your shit treatment because MLK" implication the original post had going, but sure, not every single white person shot the guy simultaneously. But I don't think anyone was claiming that literally every single white person did, either.
I wasn't taking a jab at you. Just taking the piss out of the last guy in the original post.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on June 18, 2016, 01:46:45 am
Once again, fair enough.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 18, 2016, 02:09:46 pm
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2v19t2d.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: LeTipex on June 18, 2016, 02:28:08 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on June 18, 2016, 02:09:46 pm
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2v19t2d.jpg)
At least maybe the NRA would react differently if its members were systematically targeted by mass shootings.

Which means there would be less mass shootings in the end. Sooo... not sure it'd be a good thing per se, but at least it'd be better.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 19, 2016, 11:05:52 am
(http://oi67.tinypic.com/30cx81t.jpg)

Fuck you!  Seriously, fuck you!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 19, 2016, 12:27:12 pm
Taking the name of one of the best characters in Game of Thrones to spout bullshit?  You really are looking to get the shit whipped out of ya, aren't you?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Dakota Bob on June 20, 2016, 05:50:32 pm
2 year olds are the biggest enforcers of patriarchy.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 20, 2016, 05:59:52 pm
The natural alignment for all 2 year-olds is Neutral Evil.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on June 21, 2016, 01:09:01 am
Quote
So basically,

if you do any of these things:

    consume meat (yes, that includes fish), dairy, eggs or any other animal derived “food” product
    wear leather/fur/wool/silk or any other animal derived form of “fashion”
    go to zoos/circusses and other places where animals are held in confinement for your viewing pleasure

you hate animals and no amount of bullshit rationalization can justify your participation in this fucking holocaust.

just a friendly reminder.

Found this on the carnist tumblr tag. Generally a gold mine.

Heil ze meat.

Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 21, 2016, 01:18:57 am
The other day I fried up some bacon, then grilled burgers in the bacon juices, then put the bacon on top of the burgers.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on June 21, 2016, 01:21:34 am
I wonder how these people would react to being told that animals eat each other all the damn time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on June 21, 2016, 01:23:46 am
Honestly, what bothers me most is the anti-zoo aspect. Zoos are important for scientific understanding, both among scientists and the general public, and have been integral to preventing the extinction of several species, including the scimitar-horned Oryx, the California Condor, and the Mongolian Wild Horse.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on June 21, 2016, 01:56:00 am
...touche.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on June 21, 2016, 09:25:29 am
That, and militant vegans have a disconnect where they don't see humans as another species of animal.  We should act better because we're special.  Yet, they're probably also part of (or would claim to be part of) the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.  Basically, militant vegans have spent so long being malnourished that their brains are about as shriveled and useless as a raisin that's been left out in the Sahara.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 21, 2016, 03:25:49 pm
Quote from: dpareja on June 21, 2016, 01:18:57 am
The other day I fried up some bacon, then grilled burgers in the bacon juices, then put the bacon on top of the burgers.


You monster.

Ironbite-you didn't invite me over for some.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on June 21, 2016, 10:27:25 pm
I am so ready to open a vegan restaurant.

Ok, so a burger place serves burgers, steak place steak, sushi sushi. Yeah, I want to open a vegan joint.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on June 21, 2016, 10:32:49 pm
I only eat free range vegans.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on June 21, 2016, 10:42:02 pm
It looks like I'll be moving out to Colorado Springs, CO by the end of the year. So wild caught hippie might be doable.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on June 21, 2016, 10:43:18 pm
Quote from: rookie on June 21, 2016, 10:42:02 pm
It looks like I'll be moving out to Colorado Springs, CO by the end of the year. So wild caught hippie might be doable.

Pot-smoked hippie?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: davedan on June 21, 2016, 10:43:50 pm
You might have to worm it and clean it before cooking
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: lord gibbon on June 21, 2016, 11:01:37 pm
Quote from: rookie on June 21, 2016, 10:42:02 pm
It looks like I'll be moving out to Colorado Springs, CO by the end of the year. So wild caught hippie might be doable.
Well, welcome to Colorado, even if you're ending up in one of the shittiest parts of the state.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on June 29, 2016, 05:10:29 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/style/critics-are-calling-out-disney-1460766368210998.html (https://www.yahoo.com/style/critics-are-calling-out-disney-1460766368210998.html)

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When Moana is released on November 23, 2016, the title character will be the first Disney princess of Polynesian descent. However, the look of the heroine’s sidekick, the demigod Maui, is creating a firestorm of criticism months before the film’s release.

According to New Zealand politician Jenny Salesa, the body shape of Maui is cause for concern. “When we look at photos of Polynesian men and women from the last 100-200 years, most of our people were not overweight and this negative stereotype of Maui is just not acceptable,” she writes on Facebook. “No thanks to Disney.”

Salesa calls Maui’s depiction “obese,” and thinks children might get the wrong message about their bodies. “The environment our kids grow up in and what they are exposed to have a role to play. Disney movies are very influential on our children. It is great that Moana is the lead. However, it is disappointing that Maui, one of our beloved historical ancestors from hundreds of years ago, who was a very strong man [and] a skilled navigator, is depicted to be so overweight in this kids’ movie.”

Overweight?  Because to me, he looks like a powerlifter (or at least a caricature of one):

(http://i.imgur.com/8FokoE3.jpg)

They're wide, certainly, but not flabby.  How many powerlifters are built like Dwayne Johnson or Jason Momoa?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on June 30, 2016, 01:15:00 am
Yeah, heavy doesn't necessarily mean unfit. It would be oh so easy to turn the tables on this particular group of whingers and accuse them of promoting unhealthy body image myths. Sure someone'll think of it. Make for a fun little flamewar.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on June 30, 2016, 09:45:57 am
Also has anyone really taken a look at the average Samoan?  Like a real look?  Cause most Samoans come in all sorts of body types.  From the super thick, super huge guys like Rikishi to the skinny but still built like brick shithouses that are Rock/Roman Reigns.  And everything in between.  I think it just depends on what part of the island you were born on.  I'm not really seeing anything bad about Maui other then he looks like one of those professional wrestlers I just mentioned.

Ironbite-heading towards Rikishi rather then the Usos.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on July 02, 2016, 01:02:59 am
To be fair I totally manipulate that I can say fag and straight people can't. It's so stupid.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Ultimate Paragon on July 02, 2016, 05:35:39 pm
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What do you think about safe, consensual BDSM? Where both parties have receive sexual pleasure from the acts being preformed. Not talking about rape BDSM, just like slapping and handcuffs and stuff.

BDSM romanticizes physical abuse and power imbalances within relationships to a dangerous point. Regardless of whether it is consensual or not, it is still harmful.

To borrow from bbrightstar:

“The WORST part is women buy into this shit and don’t think 50 Shades represents the fundamental roles *that BDSM is built upon* which are utilized to indoctrinate women into the oppressed class on a global scale. This is the reality for females regardless of whether or not they “consent”. You cannot have “equality” let alone liberation when you celebrate toxic systems of masculinity and femininity, powerful and powerless, rapist and raped, abuser and abused, dominance and submission, masochism and sadomasochism, oppressor and oppressed. ”

Because femdom doesn't exist.  And lesbians never practice BDSM.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on July 05, 2016, 01:50:07 pm
Quote from: Ultimate Paragon on July 02, 2016, 05:35:39 pm
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Quote
What do you think about safe, consensual BDSM? Where both parties have receive sexual pleasure from the acts being preformed. Not talking about rape BDSM, just like slapping and handcuffs and stuff.

BDSM romanticizes physical abuse and power imbalances within relationships to a dangerous point. Regardless of whether it is consensual or not, it is still harmful.

To borrow from bbrightstar:

“The WORST part is women buy into this shit and don’t think 50 Shades represents the fundamental roles *that BDSM is built upon* which are utilized to indoctrinate women into the oppressed class on a global scale. This is the reality for females regardless of whether or not they “consent”. You cannot have “equality” let alone liberation when you celebrate toxic systems of masculinity and femininity, powerful and powerless, rapist and raped, abuser and abused, dominance and submission, masochism and sadomasochism, oppressor and oppressed. ”

Because femdom doesn't exist.  And lesbians never practice BDSM.

Earlier this year, a coworker of mine got through a really bad day by reminding herself that her girlfriend had promised to let her do "anything she wanted" to her when she got home...
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 05, 2016, 03:43:18 pm
Not...OH I GET IT NOW!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Cloud3514 on July 08, 2016, 04:58:52 am
I dated a girl that was into BDSM. I, however, found myself completely turned off by it. So this idea that BDSM is supposedly misogynistic is hilarious.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on July 08, 2016, 05:08:47 am
Quote from: Cloud3514 on July 08, 2016, 04:58:52 am
I dated a girl that was into BDSM. I, however, found myself completely turned off by it. So this idea that BDSM is supposedly misogynistic is hilarious.
I thought it was just weirdos who couldn't nuance that conflated BDSM with predatory sadism.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on July 08, 2016, 11:17:00 am
People who look down on BDSM are boring people who's sex lives never get out of missionary and never get off.  They can't understand why someone, anyone, would do the things that happen during a session and allow it to be done to them. 

Ironbite-I pity them.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 13, 2016, 12:26:08 am
...When seeing that comic my first assumption was that that girl is apparently bisexual. Because that would make sense based purely on the context within the comic (I mean, I admit that I know next to nothing about the series it is based on so I could be wrong, but that's how the comic makes it seem.) but then the tumblerite suddenly goes on and assumes that she is being portrayed as a heterosexual (despite being in a relationship with another woman?) so I am confused.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on September 13, 2016, 12:39:20 am
The pearl bisexual/lesbian debate is one of the best things to show someone when you want to mock their fandom
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 13, 2016, 12:49:12 am
Which brings up the question: Why didn't, during that long tumblr argument, anyone suggest "perhaps her sexuality isn't being erased, perhaps she is bisexual?" (Or pansexual for that matter.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: niam2023 on September 13, 2016, 01:58:48 am
Because FANDOM SMASH PUNY ARTIST!!!!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on September 13, 2016, 02:24:45 am
Because its the steven universe fandom. Its the epicenter of ass pain.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 13, 2016, 03:45:29 am
You know, I truly wish I could be surprised that grown men and women are arguing so passionately about a character from a children's TV show's supposed sexuality. It just goes to show, people are fucking idiots.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 09:10:44 am
Sad thing is, the show isn't even that good.  Now Star vs. The Forces of Evil, that is actually pretty good.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 13, 2016, 09:12:23 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 13, 2016, 03:45:29 am
You know, I truly wish I could be surprised that grown men and women are arguing so passionately about a character from a children's TV show's supposed sexuality. It just goes to show, people are fucking idiots.

Are you talking about My Little Pony or what?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 12:55:39 pm
Before that, even, I'm sure.  MLP may have made it (more) common knowledge, but I'd honestly be surprised if it were truly Patient Zero for such behaviour.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: TheUnknown on September 13, 2016, 02:56:49 pm
Quote from: I am lizard on September 12, 2016, 11:22:32 pm
http://pipermccloud.tumblr.com/post/150231788793/lethal-cuddles-delusionalqueer (http://pipermccloud.tumblr.com/post/150231788793/lethal-cuddles-delusionalqueer)
Biphobia game strong.

The best part is that Pearl became interested in this woman because she vaguely resembled her dead ex, whom she obsesses over and has a deep infatuation with.  Not to mention that in this same episode, they flat out joke about the time Pearl almost let Steven die due to said infatuation.  Not what I'd consider a good start for a "healthy" relationship.

I've actually seen someone call someone else a lesbophobe because they referred to Pearl as "gay lady Snape".
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 13, 2016, 03:42:04 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 09:10:44 am
Sad thing is, the show isn't even that good.  Now Star vs. The Forces of Evil, that is actually pretty good.

I will fight you to the heat death of the universe.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 13, 2016, 04:24:06 pm
Quote from: Askold on September 13, 2016, 09:12:23 am
Quote from: Art Vandelay on September 13, 2016, 03:45:29 am
You know, I truly wish I could be surprised that grown men and women are arguing so passionately about a character from a children's TV show's supposed sexuality. It just goes to show, people are fucking idiots.

Are you talking about My Little Pony or what?

Steven Universe, actually. It seemed to be the topic of the thread at the time.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on September 13, 2016, 05:34:49 pm
Quote from: Askold on September 13, 2016, 12:49:12 am
Which brings up the question: Why didn't, during that long tumblr argument, anyone suggest "perhaps her sexuality isn't being erased, perhaps she is bisexual?" (Or pansexual for that matter.)

Because it wasn't an argument about erasing sexuality, it was an argument about erasing relationships.

(of course, "oh no, lesbian relationships are being erased" is the weirdest argument to make about Steven Universe)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 07:34:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on September 13, 2016, 03:42:04 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 09:10:44 am
Sad thing is, the show isn't even that good.  Now Star vs. The Forces of Evil, that is actually pretty good.

I will fight you to the heat death of the universe.

I survive all things, so bring it on, raptor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on September 13, 2016, 08:46:36 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 07:34:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on September 13, 2016, 03:42:04 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 09:10:44 am
Sad thing is, the show isn't even that good.  Now Star vs. The Forces of Evil, that is actually pretty good.

I will fight you to the heat death of the universe.

I survive all things, so bring it on, raptor.
But can you survive a god Pokemon (yes I'm throwing my hat into this scuffle cause Steven Universe is the shit.)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 10:22:39 pm
Quote from: Zygarde on September 13, 2016, 08:46:36 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 07:34:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on September 13, 2016, 03:42:04 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 09:10:44 am
Sad thing is, the show isn't even that good.  Now Star vs. The Forces of Evil, that is actually pretty good.

I will fight you to the heat death of the universe.

I survive all things, so bring it on, raptor.
But can you survive a god Pokemon (yes I'm throwing my hat into this scuffle cause Steven Universe is the shit.)

I said "all things," I bloody well meant all things.  When even death itself has died, I will remain, the final survivor.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on September 13, 2016, 10:43:39 pm
The sounds like an utterly miserable existence. On the upside, your friends and family have nothing to fear from suicide.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on September 13, 2016, 11:13:12 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 10:22:39 pm
Quote from: Zygarde on September 13, 2016, 08:46:36 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 07:34:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on September 13, 2016, 03:42:04 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 09:10:44 am
Sad thing is, the show isn't even that good.  Now Star vs. The Forces of Evil, that is actually pretty good.

I will fight you to the heat death of the universe.

I survive all things, so bring it on, raptor.
But can you survive a god Pokemon (yes I'm throwing my hat into this scuffle cause Steven Universe is the shit.)

I said "all things," I bloody well meant all things.  When even death itself has died, I will remain, the final survivor.
You think your immortal dude, fate has sent ten hurricanes my way, nearly downed my ass in a plane tried go give me HIV when I was born and tried to asphyxiate me in the mother fucking womb before I was even born I will end you!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 11:28:15 pm
Four words: come at me, bro.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on September 14, 2016, 01:00:43 am
^
Quote from: ironbite on September 13, 2016, 03:42:04 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 09:10:44 am
Sad thing is, the show isn't even that good.  Now Star vs. The Forces of Evil, that is actually pretty good.

I will fight you to the heat death of the universe.

Gravity Falls is the best and you all know it.

But seriously shippers, not supporting a particular gay or lesbian ship is not the same thing as homophobia, and making a joke about a ship isn't the same thing as not supporting it. 

At least they aren't attacking the shows creator for saying they won't make a ship canon like the some Sherlock fans did.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on September 14, 2016, 03:40:50 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 10:22:39 pm
Quote from: Zygarde on September 13, 2016, 08:46:36 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 07:34:12 pm
Quote from: ironbite on September 13, 2016, 03:42:04 pm
Quote from: RavynousHunter on September 13, 2016, 09:10:44 am
Sad thing is, the show isn't even that good.  Now Star vs. The Forces of Evil, that is actually pretty good.

I will fight you to the heat death of the universe.

I survive all things, so bring it on, raptor.
But can you survive a god Pokemon (yes I'm throwing my hat into this scuffle cause Steven Universe is the shit.)

I said "all things," I bloody well meant all things.  When even death itself has died, I will remain, the final survivor.

And then I'll put a lure on the last Pokestop in the universe.

Ironbite-I AM THE END OF TIME!
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on September 21, 2016, 08:36:31 pm
One of these days I want to show some Tumblrinas this book (https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/product/9782892950670-item.html?mkwid=sglCNn6VL_dc&pcrid=44154474422&pkw=&pmt=&s_campaign=goo-Shopping_Books&gclid=CJLy6rbdoc8CFYRmfgodteECtw) just to see the exploding heads.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Skybison on September 21, 2016, 08:38:10 pm
^What's it about?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on September 21, 2016, 09:31:08 pm
Not sure, but if it's good enough to make tumblrinas heads explode, as long as its well written I'm fir it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: dpareja on September 22, 2016, 02:29:52 am
The reason their heads would explode isn't the content; it's the title: Nègres blancs d'Amérique.

The book itself was written by an FLQ member while he was in jail in (I believe) New York.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on September 22, 2016, 02:56:58 am
Or you could stop being a hipster and show them the English name of the book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Niggers_of_America
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on October 06, 2016, 10:48:43 am
How the fuck do Bisexual people oppress gays? Last I checked I run just the same chance of getting my ass handed too me by some homophobe if I hit on them as much as a gay person. Also it's not really a heterosexual privilege since were you'know not heterosexual I mean it's in our fucking orientation name Bi means two we don't just decide to be gay one day and then straight the next that's not how that shit works.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on October 06, 2016, 11:21:17 am
L and G people are really stupid.  I guess they forget about B and T when time comes.

Ironbite-damn annoying.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on October 06, 2016, 09:42:57 pm
I'm gonna put "lateral aggression" on a brick and toss it into their window
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 07, 2016, 12:59:05 am
So far the only complaint about bisexuals and transpeople that I have seen make sense is that if they get into a relationship they might not be recognized as bi/trans by others and therefore they will not suffer as much discrimination as gay/lesbian couples do.

...Which is still a shitty thing to complain about but at least it has some logic in it.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on October 07, 2016, 01:08:35 am
Quote from: Askold on October 07, 2016, 12:59:05 am
So far the only complaint about bisexuals and transpeople that I have seen make sense is that if they get into a relationship they might not be recognized as bi/trans by others and therefore they will not suffer as much discrimination as gay/lesbian couples do.

...Which is still a shitty thing to complain about but at least it has some logic in it.

"You are less oppressed than I am in certain specific situations. And that's just terrible."

"Also let me bring up anecdotes."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Random Gal on October 11, 2016, 05:58:22 am
Quote from: Askold on October 07, 2016, 12:59:05 am
So far the only complaint about bisexuals and transpeople that I have seen make sense is that if they get into a relationship they might not be recognized as bi/trans by others and therefore they will not suffer as much discrimination as gay/lesbian couples do.

...Which is still a shitty thing to complain about but at least it has some logic in it.

That is something that's been on my mind lately.

I'm bi and my girlfriend is trans (she has been 2 years into HRT at this point with SRS scheduled for October 27; there's no way anyone is going to recognize her as trans), and honestly when we're at LGBT events together it is likely we wouldn't be recognized as LGBT. Most of the groups here are pretty laid back, but I still wonder if someone is going to object. With some of the more extreme ones, there may be accusations of "You turned traitor and went straight/are trying to be cis" leveled at us.

On a similar note, I know there are groups out there for significant others of trans people, but I know I wouldn't really fit in among them even if I did have any interest in going to them. The majority of these are going to be women struggling with MTF spouses transitioning on them, and I'd likely have to deal with questions like "So who's husband did you steal?" etc.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 24, 2016, 04:03:07 am
(http://madison365.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/P_EnealePickett04-e1476583414506-1021x580.jpg)

Comes with this not at all short explanation.

Quote
Next to the “All White People Are Racist” sweatshirts, sold on Etsy, is this explanation: “Racism is a set of systemic, institutional, cultural, and epistemological (although not limited to said forms) structures that inherently empowers white folk and in turn disempowers people of color. This power dictates who lives, have housing, access to education/healthcare etc. Racism has little to do with hatred and mostly to do with who has power. White folk or those who see themselves as white are given said power inherently regardless of socioeconomic class, education etc. This is why white men created race in the first place —to maintain power. Racism gave birth to the idea of race. This is an oversimplified definition.” (http://madison365.com/uncomfortable-conversations-racism/)

Nice summation of the prejudice + power thesis but you're all gonna shit yourselves when a Klansman and/or white power skinhead starts wearing these bad boys unironically. The internet being what it is I predict this will take minutes.

Now that will start an "uncomfortable conversation about racism."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on October 24, 2016, 04:22:28 am
One of the problems with SJW vs anti-SJW debates is that people use the same terms to mean different things.

[Racism = Power + Prejudice] is a commonly used example. Except that not many people know of that, just last week I talked with a few buddies about this and they had not heard that definition. They only knew that SJWs like to claim that only white people can be racist but never explain why. After explaining that this is the definition they use we agreed that it kinda makes sense but trying to rebrand the meaning of the word racism is silly and prone to misunderstandings.

Another example is one I saw on FB used by a racist. He said that Racism can only be done by governments and countries [such as Apartheid or other examples of institutional racism], individuals may be prejudiced but as they only represent themselves they are not in fact "racist" and even if they commit racially motivated crimes these crimes are not an example of racism (as previously defined.) In other words, this person defined Racism as what everyone else would call institutional racism.

Then when these two definitions of racism collide we get debates where one person is screaming that white people who say "kill all niggers" are racist but black people who say "kill all sperm-faces" are not and another person screaming that none of the examples that a member of minority told from their life counts as racism and that there is no racism in the country...

And it's not that either of them is necessarily wrong based on their definition of the word racism but they are in fact talking about different things and neither of them explains this to the other.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Art Vandelay on October 24, 2016, 05:08:33 am
Basically, if people would just say "institutional/cultural racism" instead of insisting that we redefine "racism" to mean one of the former, we may actually get somewhere. But why resort to intellectual honesty when you can erase any opposing arguments through the power of semantics instead?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 24, 2016, 05:38:22 am
Depends what you want to do really. If you just want to get attention it'll work.

But as I suggested that works just as well for the ideologically polar opposite team on planet alt-right with exactly the same shirt.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Wurdulac on October 24, 2016, 08:44:39 pm
Heard the most "charming" definition of racism from this guy I had to work with over the summer.

I'm going to have to use what I remember as his example because I was actively trying to ignore everything he said ever, but from what I remember he said, he was speaking to the son of another co-worker who is Mexican (I think...I should probably pay more attention to these things, but they don't seem to matter much) and commenting that the Mexican gangs in L.A. are driving out the black gangs.  When the co-worker's son basically went "good", "that's racism, wanting your own group to do well".

Or something like that.  Basically, my understanding of his intent was to redefine "racism" into "people's tendency to stick near other people who share their racial and cultural background."  I imagine this is in order to form the basis for a case that everybody's racist, so racism is okay.

I'd give him more of the benefit of the doubt, but he's a 9/11 truther who believes that Europeans were on the Americas before any "Native Americans" and that CPS takes kids away from parents who spank them because "they know [those parents] care about their kids" as part of some bid by communists to create a global communistic government; also, Sandy Hook was a sham, since he's never seen any bodies or autopsies.  I'm not sure if he believes it was all a set up and nobody was killed, or if the government actually went in and killed people.  I'm inclined to believe the latter, because he's an asshole.

Seriously, fuck that guy.  Really wish I'd had an mp3 player to more effectively ignore him, because there was more bullshit that I've subsequently tried to block from memory.  Oh right, microwaves, of all things.  They destroy all the nutrients in food; you can tell because if you microwave water to boiling, let it cool, and water a plant seed with that water, the seed won't grow.  I'd test this for myself using actual science (control group, group watered with water boiled over a stove, other groups) but I just don't care, and I don't have any seeds.

Worst summer ever.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Tolpuddle Martyr on October 25, 2016, 09:45:25 am
Quote from: Wurdulac on October 24, 2016, 08:44:39 pm
"that's racism, wanting your own group to do well".
Quote from: Wurdulac on October 24, 2016, 08:44:39 pm
I'd give him more of the benefit of the doubt, but he's a 9/11 truther who believes that Europeans were on the Americas before any "Native Americans" and that CPS takes kids away from parents who spank them because "they know [those parents] care about their kids" as part of some bid by communists to create a global communistic government; also, Sandy Hook was a sham, since he's never seen any bodies or autopsies.

Ooh, I get it he's come to the conclusion that his "group" (pants on head crazy people) constitute a "race"...possibly because he thinks that pants on head crazy people are Atlantean and which explains their Aryan-sorry Atlantean blue eyes. Yes, some people really think this. (http://thespiritscience.net/2016/09/05/people-with-rh-negative-blood-may-be-descendents-of-extraterrestrials-or-atlanteans/)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Søren on October 26, 2016, 08:05:31 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-IFcCY0m3E

Heard a rumor she got arrested
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lana Reverse on November 19, 2016, 11:51:40 am
(click to show/hide)

Or maybe Prince was just more famous.

(Not pictured: a ridiculously long argument about whether black men are "more privileged" than white women)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: ironbite on November 19, 2016, 03:34:31 pm
Oh please.  Chyna was not even that good nor famous a wrestler to be even in the same breath as Prince.

Ironbite-Prince was an icon, Chyna was a chump.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 19, 2016, 03:41:41 pm
...Who the hell is Chyna?
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Zygarde on November 19, 2016, 06:01:14 pm
She was a professional wrestler, who died back in April.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Eiki-mun on November 19, 2016, 06:02:39 pm
Quote from: Zygarde on November 19, 2016, 06:01:14 pm
She was a professional wrestler, who died back in April.

Ah, thank you. It does say something, though, that I've heard about Prince, despite never listening to any of his music (or anyone else in his genre), but I've never heard of Chyna. Though, I'm no wrestling fan either.

Still, maybe Prince was just more famous.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lana Reverse on November 19, 2016, 07:16:14 pm
Not to mention the fact that Prince changed his name to exploit a loophole in his recording contract, not because he was egotistical.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 19, 2016, 09:32:34 pm
'it's ok to be a femme-looking male like Prince was'

uhh

which universe is this where femininity in men is more accepted than masculinity in women
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Even Then on November 19, 2016, 09:41:45 pm
and where can I buy tickets to it
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lana Reverse on November 21, 2016, 03:55:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/LLe1XoG.jpg)

I think somebody's missing the point of being "pro-choice."
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: pyro on November 21, 2016, 09:40:37 pm
Quote from: Lana Reverse on November 21, 2016, 03:55:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/LLe1XoG.jpg)

I think somebody's missing the point of being "pro-choice."

I'm never going to have an abortion.

Because I can't get pregnant.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: rookie on November 21, 2016, 09:44:45 pm
Wow. But I've seen that behavior before in feminists. The way some would look down on women who were housewives by choice.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Sigmaleph on November 22, 2016, 07:56:55 pm
Quote from: pyro on November 21, 2016, 09:40:37 pm
Quote from: Lana Reverse on November 21, 2016, 03:55:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/LLe1XoG.jpg)

I think somebody's missing the point of being "pro-choice."

I'm never going to have an abortion.

Because I can't get pregnant.

Me neither. Kinda sucks :(

Though, I mean, uterus transplants are already possible...

Anyway. Yeah. "I would not do X" doesn't always imply "I think X is wrong" (and the somewhat more subtle distinction that "I think X is wrong" doesn't always imply "I want X to be illegal").
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Askold on November 23, 2016, 02:49:43 am
Quote from: Sigmaleph on November 22, 2016, 07:56:55 pm
Quote from: pyro on November 21, 2016, 09:40:37 pm
Quote from: Lana Reverse on November 21, 2016, 03:55:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/LLe1XoG.jpg)

I think somebody's missing the point of being "pro-choice."

I'm never going to have an abortion.

Because I can't get pregnant.

Me neither. Kinda sucks :(

Though, I mean, uterus transplants are already possible...

Anyway. Yeah. "I would not do X" doesn't always imply "I think X is wrong" (and the somewhat more subtle distinction that "I think X is wrong" doesn't always imply "I want X to be illegal").

Hmm...

"You can't say you support euthanasia if you won't immediately kill yourself."

"You can't say that you support gay marriage unless you are willing to marry same-sex."

This is the main reason why I say that idiots arguing on the same side as you is always worse than having the idiots argue against you.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lana Reverse on November 27, 2016, 11:44:33 am
(https://i.sli.mg/Te9aZJ.jpg)

Should we tell them? (http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=109220)
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: SCarpelan on November 29, 2016, 01:10:24 pm
I love how the writer dismisses the criticism of racism in America by implying that electing Obama is enough to prove it doesn't exist anymore.

Castro was a totalitarian, oppressive dictator but a racist he was not: he sent Cuban doctors to African countries and supported anti-Apartheid fight in South-Africa as well as the civil rights movement in USA. This naturally also served his geopolitical interests but he seemed to be a genuine anti-colonialism crusader. When it comes to racism in Cuba Castro admitted his failure in fighting it (http://www.alternet.org/human-rights/black-america-and-passing-fidel-castro).

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It was particularly illuminating when he informed us that the Cuban Revolution had underestimated the power of racism. As he said at the time, when the 26th of July Movement (the revolutionary organization that led the anti-Batista struggle) took power they thought that it was enough to render racist discrimination illegal and that should settle the matter. The entrenched power of racism, even in a society that was attempting to root it out, was more substantial than they had anticipated.

A totalitarian response of just making the unwanted behaviour illegal ignoring the deeper historical and social dynamics did not work. Surprise.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lana Reverse on November 29, 2016, 04:16:13 pm
Quote from: SCarpelan on November 29, 2016, 01:10:24 pm
I love how the writer dismisses the criticism of racism in America by implying that electing Obama is enough to prove it doesn't exist anymore.

Does he?  Let's see:

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Regrettably, Cuba is a morally sick nation, a victim of the totalitarian monologue that Castroism managed to establish thanks to the acquiescence of the majority of the population. And the regime continues with its tired spiels about racism in the United States, despite the fact that Barack Obama is still in office, after having been democratically elected for a second term.

This is why it struck me as significant that, at the sessions held this week before the US Senate and House of Representatives, most of the testimonies from dissidents and civil society representatives came from black and mixed-race individuals, reminding us that they are the ones who suffered the most and were most heavily trampled on by the deceitfully liberating stampede of Castroism.

To me, it looks more like the author is pointing out the Castro regime's hypocrisy, as well as saying racism is less severe in America.

Quote from: SCarpelan on November 29, 2016, 01:10:24 pm
Castro was a totalitarian, oppressive dictator but a racist he was not: he sent Cuban doctors to African countries and supported anti-Apartheid fight in South-Africa as well as the civil rights movement in USA. This naturally also served his geopolitical interests but he seemed to be a genuine anti-colonialism crusader. When it comes to racism in Cuba Castro admitted his failure in fighting it (http://www.alternet.org/human-rights/black-america-and-passing-fidel-castro).

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It was particularly illuminating when he informed us that the Cuban Revolution had underestimated the power of racism. As he said at the time, when the 26th of July Movement (the revolutionary organization that led the anti-Batista struggle) took power they thought that it was enough to render racist discrimination illegal and that should settle the matter. The entrenched power of racism, even in a society that was attempting to root it out, was more substantial than they had anticipated.

A totalitarian response of just making the unwanted behaviour illegal ignoring the deeper historical and social dynamics did not work. Surprise.

The problem with what you're saying is that Castroism is a major reason why Cuba is still very racist:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/opinion/sunday/for-blacks-in-cuba-the-revolution-hasnt-begun.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/opinion/sunday/for-blacks-in-cuba-the-revolution-hasnt-begun.html)

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Racism in Cuba has been concealed and reinforced in part because it isn’t talked about. The government hasn’t allowed racial prejudice to be debated or confronted politically or culturally, often pretending instead as though it didn’t exist. Before 1990, black Cubans suffered a paralysis of economic mobility while, paradoxically, the government decreed the end of racism in speeches and publications. To question the extent of racial progress was tantamount to a counterrevolutionary act. This made it almost impossible to point out the obvious: racism is alive and well.

Not to mention the elephant in the room regarding demographics:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/24/world/americas/obamaurges-raised-voices-incubas-husheddiscussions-ofrace.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/24/world/americas/obamaurges-raised-voices-incubas-husheddiscussions-ofrace.html?_r=1)

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And yet, Cuba is no more postracial than anywhere else. Many Afro-Cubans here and abroad have been quick to point out that the presence of Mr. Obama, the first black president of the United States, only highlights that the Cuban government does not reflect the demographics of their country.

On an island that is around two-thirds black and mixed race, according to a 2007 study by the Cuban economist Esteban Morales Domínguez, the civil and public leadership is about 70 percent white. He also found that most scientists, technicians and university professors, up to 80 percent in some fields, were white.

“The images of the meetings, the agreements, they’re all shameful for many black Cubans — I’m including myself in this — because it’s difficult to feel represented,” said Odette Casamayor-Cisneros, an associate professor of Latin American and Caribbean literatures and cultures at the University of Connecticut and a scholar at Harvard University.

She added that elements of Mr. Obama’s trip reflected some of the same dynamics: The Cuban-Americans traveling with the president were nearly all white, as were the Cuban officials who interacted with him on the island. Indeed, much of the audience for his speech on Tuesday was white.

In that context, the president — along with his wife, daughters and mother-in-law, who joined him on the trip — offers a clear contrast.

“What you see is confirmation of black empowerment, which has generally been denied in Cuban society,” Ms. Casamayor-Cisneros said. “For black Cubans, the mere existence of Obama is unusual and overwhelmingly symbolic.”

There's trying and failing, and then there's failing to try. Castro was perfectly willing to fight racism abroad, but when it came to the racism in his own country, he decided passing a few laws and making "racism is over" speeches was good enough. Was he racist himself? I don't know. But either way, his complete failure to tackle racism in Cuba isn't something that can just be swept under the rug.

Besides, saying that the Cuban Revolution was against white supremacy is pseudohistory.
Title: Re: Worst of Social Justice
Post by: Lana Reverse on December 26, 2016, 10:51:25 am
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/52d55e48c4ac1db232e991f1f3bd3920/tumblr_inline_ofmeohUGXP1qkv52g_500.jpg)

Fun fact: Eisner was Jewish.

Another fun fact: he got his start in the 1930s.